WEBVTT - Ep. 16: Daniel Boone - The Legend of Cumberland Gap (Part 2)

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<v Speaker 1>M Cumberland Gap. Was that so important because coming from

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<v Speaker 1>the Eastern colonies, from the Carolina's, from Tennessee, that was

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<v Speaker 1>the way. It was a hard thing to go do

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<v Speaker 1>and they knew that to do it, to try to

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<v Speaker 1>pull it off, they knew it was risky. They knew

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<v Speaker 1>it was a major undertaking. You had to scout it,

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<v Speaker 1>you had the plan. It was like a thing. On

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<v Speaker 1>this episode of the Beargrease Podcast, were on part two

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<v Speaker 1>of our series on the Incredible Life of the American

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<v Speaker 1>Backwoodsman Daniel Boone. We're gonna dive in deep, like over

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<v Speaker 1>your head deep into a topographic feature in the Appalachian

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<v Speaker 1>Mountains that was a major player in the identity of

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<v Speaker 1>Old d Boone and America. We're talking about the Cumberland Gap.

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<v Speaker 1>We'll interview to New York Times best selling off there's

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<v Speaker 1>some Boone experts, Stephen Ronnella and Robert Morgan, will nerd

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<v Speaker 1>out with the geologist, will talk about the potential historical

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<v Speaker 1>revision of Boone. And lastly we'll talk with a member

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<v Speaker 1>of the Cherokee Nation and hear his perspective on the

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<v Speaker 1>Old Gap. The path is rough, an American identity is

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<v Speaker 1>at stake. You're not gonna wanna miss this one, and

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<v Speaker 1>do me a favor, give yourself a pop quiz. What

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<v Speaker 1>do you know about the Cumberland Gap. I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe the weather is nicer, maybe there's more games, and

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<v Speaker 1>it gets rewarded because it is. Boy, it's like people

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<v Speaker 1>moving because they just gotta know, they gotta go see.

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<v Speaker 1>My name is Clay Nukelem and this is the Bear

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<v Speaker 1>Grease Podcast, where we'll explore things forgotten but relevant, search

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<v Speaker 1>for insight and unlikely places, and where we'll tell the

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<v Speaker 1>story of Americans who lived their lives close to the land.

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<v Speaker 1>Presented by f HF gear, American made, purpose built hunting

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<v Speaker 1>and fishing gear that's designed to be as rugged as

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<v Speaker 1>the places we explore back Daniel Boone's passing through the

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<v Speaker 1>Cumberland Gap has been mythologized in American culture. They've written

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<v Speaker 1>songs about it, made movies, written poems, and made art.

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<v Speaker 1>I've got the reprint of the famous eighteen fifty two

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<v Speaker 1>painting by George Bingham in My House. It depicts Boone

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<v Speaker 1>leading his family in a group of settlers through the

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<v Speaker 1>rugged Gap. The mountains around him are dark and ominous,

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<v Speaker 1>but beautiful white bathes Boon's figure, making him look almost angelic.

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<v Speaker 1>To understand Dan Boone, We've got to understand the Cumberland Gap. Okay.

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<v Speaker 1>Tell me everything you know about the Cumberland Gap. Okay, Well,

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<v Speaker 1>that will not take very long. The only thing I

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<v Speaker 1>know about the Cumberland Gap is that folk musicians like

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<v Speaker 1>to write about it in their songs. Where are you from? So,

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<v Speaker 1>do you have a sense of where the Cumberland Gap

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<v Speaker 1>is in relation to Michigan? I know it is South Michigan.

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<v Speaker 1>Tell me everything you know about the Cumberland Gap, the

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<v Speaker 1>Cumberland Gap. Nothing, Cumberland Gap, Cumberland Gap. I want to say,

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<v Speaker 1>it's somewhere in the wild, wild West. I want to say,

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<v Speaker 1>maybe there's a grocery store. I want to say a

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<v Speaker 1>Cumberland Grab grocery store. That's all I got. Hey, guys,

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<v Speaker 1>tell me everything you know. We'll start with you. Everything

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<v Speaker 1>you know about the Cumberland Gap. Is that like a

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<v Speaker 1>fault line or something? I don't know. You tell me,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know. I think I've heared the Cumberland Gap.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you know what? I don't know what it is?

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<v Speaker 1>You don't know anything about the Cumberland Gap. I feel

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<v Speaker 1>like if you mentioned it, I would, but I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>I can't think. Come on, there's one more guy standing.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm sorry, I don't know. I was struck out on

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<v Speaker 1>the Cumberland Gap. This is embarrassing. Josh Landbridge spilmmaker, do

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<v Speaker 1>you know anything about the Cumberland Gap? The Cumberland Gap,

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<v Speaker 1>I know is in some songs. I know that there

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<v Speaker 1>is a gap named after General Cumberland. He had quite

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<v Speaker 1>a mustache if I remember, Are you being serious? How

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<v Speaker 1>do you know that you just made that up? It's

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<v Speaker 1>not too far from the truth, because the Cumberland Gap

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<v Speaker 1>was named after the Duke of Cumberland. Dead serious. He

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<v Speaker 1>probably had a nice mustache. That song is called Cumberland Gap.

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<v Speaker 1>It's been played by a string band out of Ohio

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<v Speaker 1>called the Wayfarers. I'm continuing to build on the assumption

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<v Speaker 1>that the average American doesn't know much about Daniel Boone,

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<v Speaker 1>and we're exploring how despite that, this backwoodsman's influence on

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<v Speaker 1>the American worldview was notable. In Part one, we learned

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<v Speaker 1>that archetypes are the mechanism of this powerful culture building weapon.

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<v Speaker 1>They deliver a value system through branding around the lives

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<v Speaker 1>of our heroes or villains. After some time, the values remain,

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<v Speaker 1>but the original life the host is often forgotten. And

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<v Speaker 1>this is just the point. Daniel Boone did stuff that

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<v Speaker 1>captured the attention of America and the world in a

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<v Speaker 1>vulnerable time period when we were looking for identity. The

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<v Speaker 1>prime of his life was in the seventeen seventies, a

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<v Speaker 1>time when many of our heroes were birth and old.

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<v Speaker 1>Dan stepped up to the plate and, in true Americana fashion,

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<v Speaker 1>became a representative man, the courageous explorer, engaging and thriving

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<v Speaker 1>in the wilderness and bringing civilization with him. He delivered

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<v Speaker 1>parts of the American dream to America. I'll point out

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<v Speaker 1>that this was a new identity for planet Earth, at

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<v Speaker 1>least this version of it, and it had ravish appeal.

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<v Speaker 1>In Part one, we left the Burgaras podcast world in

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<v Speaker 1>a massive cliffhanger, with Daniel Boone and John Finley finding

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<v Speaker 1>the Cumberland Gap and going into the frontier of Kentucky

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<v Speaker 1>in seventeen sixty nine. We're gonna nerd out on the

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<v Speaker 1>Cumberland Gap and we'll hear first hand from Boone what

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<v Speaker 1>happened on that first trip into Kentucky. Well sort of,

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<v Speaker 1>it's complicated, but there's a bigger question at hand. Why

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<v Speaker 1>were they risking life and limb to get into Kentucky?

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<v Speaker 1>And an even bigger question is this, why is there

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<v Speaker 1>this deep history of human geographic dispersion. Old Steve ronnella

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<v Speaker 1>meet eater, has something to say about this. I introd

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<v Speaker 1>him up right on part one, and he's got all

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<v Speaker 1>the street cred or should I say backwoods cred. He's

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<v Speaker 1>a New York Times bestselling author, a hunter, and a

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<v Speaker 1>noted boon expert. Here's Steve. There's a kind of a

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<v Speaker 1>theory of human movement around the earth where or shouldn't

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<v Speaker 1>say a theory. Way to imagine human movement around the

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<v Speaker 1>earth so often is that it's you're propelled by warfare

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<v Speaker 1>and starvation, human migrations under dear rest. So with people,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, in the nineteen thirties, right, you have Jews

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<v Speaker 1>escaping Europe, you know, and maybe coming trying to escape

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<v Speaker 1>the coming holocaust and get to the United States, or

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<v Speaker 1>just you know, different things like migrations in Ethiopia from

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<v Speaker 1>famine and that, and that moves people. There's also this

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<v Speaker 1>this aspect of that it has been just driven by curiosity.

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<v Speaker 1>Human migrations into the New World. Are human migrations into

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<v Speaker 1>the Western hemisphere, you can't really look at and explain

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<v Speaker 1>it like that. They were being pushed along by warfare,

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<v Speaker 1>being pushed along by overpopulation. They were moving from like wilderness,

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<v Speaker 1>like a wilderness setting, to a wilderness setting, oftentimes across

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<v Speaker 1>the tremendous hurdles, probably crossing ice sheets, crossing glaciers that

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<v Speaker 1>are coming down valleys. You have no idea, no one's

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<v Speaker 1>ever been there before. You, you have no idea what's

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<v Speaker 1>on the other side of the glacier, if anything, But

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<v Speaker 1>for whatever reason, you gotta go look. And there's a

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<v Speaker 1>practical aspect, like I don't know, maybe the weather is nicer,

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<v Speaker 1>maybe there's more game, and it gets rewarded because it is.

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<v Speaker 1>But it's like people moving because they just got to know.

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<v Speaker 1>They gotta go see. Is it dangerous? Was it dangerous

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<v Speaker 1>across a glacier when you had never met or talked

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<v Speaker 1>to or heard about anybody who had ever lived south

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<v Speaker 1>there before. As far as you, you're just going into

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<v Speaker 1>the absolute unknown, but you're dying to know. And I

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<v Speaker 1>think that you, like, you can't ignore that aspect of

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<v Speaker 1>what that must have seemed like to guys. Sure, Boone's

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<v Speaker 1>like a market hunter, he hunts hides for a living,

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<v Speaker 1>but the god there has to have been an enormous

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<v Speaker 1>amount of curiosity about it. The reason it's so safe

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<v Speaker 1>to assume that is because the Cumberland Gap was a

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<v Speaker 1>very literal for them, like a very literal pathway into

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<v Speaker 1>a relatively untapped hunting ground. These guys were hunting stuff

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<v Speaker 1>that have been hunted by people prior to them. They

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<v Speaker 1>made a living off it. Here's a place to go

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<v Speaker 1>where the Euro Americans, like your peers, haven't tapped it

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<v Speaker 1>out yet. It's supposed to be loaded with buffalo, loaded

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<v Speaker 1>with deer, loaded without, loaded with beaver. So it's like, yeah, man,

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<v Speaker 1>you go there and make a lot of money. But

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<v Speaker 1>think about how we now feel like still today, when

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<v Speaker 1>we're not tied to the market incentives. We still dream

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<v Speaker 1>about and talk about the secret spots, the secret hunting

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<v Speaker 1>places that haven't been tapped out. So it's like, to them,

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<v Speaker 1>was this literal gap that you could use to get

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<v Speaker 1>into the good hunting ground. But for us, it's like,

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<v Speaker 1>you can just get it. It works perfectly well as

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<v Speaker 1>nothing but a metaphor for like a passage, like a

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<v Speaker 1>keyhole that you go through that brings you into like

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<v Speaker 1>the dream landscape upon which you live your life. I

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<v Speaker 1>think that's why we still sit around here talking about

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<v Speaker 1>it today. It had to have existed in both ways.

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<v Speaker 1>To Boon, it had to exist as a literal thing like, no,

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<v Speaker 1>there's this big mountain. It's really hard to get through.

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<v Speaker 1>You can't really get over there, but there's a way

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<v Speaker 1>to do it. Okay, that's cool. But also like that

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<v Speaker 1>curiosity element was there too, Man, it was both. Do

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<v Speaker 1>you think that is that's deep inside of us as

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<v Speaker 1>humans at like a d N A granular level. Oh,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean it has to be, man, I mean it's

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<v Speaker 1>so hard to understand like how that stuff manifest But

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<v Speaker 1>you put it this way if you want to explain, like, well,

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<v Speaker 1>I would it be that way? Why are humans like that?

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<v Speaker 1>Because it's rewarded. It's rewarded, there has been. You may die, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>but but you may get a big reward. You might

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<v Speaker 1>also just if you imagine like as a species, like

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<v Speaker 1>moving or moving across landscape, going to new places. There's

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<v Speaker 1>a danger to it, but imagine the reward that you

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<v Speaker 1>get into a place where you have unlimited access to land,

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<v Speaker 1>you have unlimited access to game, You're able to produce

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<v Speaker 1>many children and have place for them to stick around.

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<v Speaker 1>Like there's an advantage too being out on the at

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<v Speaker 1>like being making the discoveries and finding things another way

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<v Speaker 1>to look at them. And it kind of like almost

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<v Speaker 1>defies Like you know, it's so hard to imagine, but

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<v Speaker 1>imagine the first Polynesians who were rewarded with landing in

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<v Speaker 1>Hawaii just they were just heading out on big blue

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<v Speaker 1>Ocean's like, oh, here's a giant land mass that no

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<v Speaker 1>one lives on, and we'll now have like st angering

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<v Speaker 1>population growth and established this whole new culture on this

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<v Speaker 1>untapped landscape that we don't need to fight to get right.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like it is an enormous reward. Or then you

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<v Speaker 1>have all the people that probably sailed off into the

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<v Speaker 1>South Pacific never to be seen again and died to thirst.

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<v Speaker 1>So do you think or you get a big island

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<v Speaker 1>there seems to be and I think we would see

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<v Speaker 1>this still inside of humanity today manifested in different ways.

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<v Speaker 1>But there are people like Boon that push the edge

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<v Speaker 1>and they're there are settlers. There are people that stay

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<v Speaker 1>where they're at and they find gratification for life in

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<v Speaker 1>insecurity and staying safe. There's much to be said for

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<v Speaker 1>the latter, But then there's also there's much reward for

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<v Speaker 1>those who have this wandered list and that defined Boone's lot,

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<v Speaker 1>defined his life. Human movement implies that humans have to

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<v Speaker 1>deal with the actual topography of the Earth. I think

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<v Speaker 1>we need to understand topographically what a gap is. I

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<v Speaker 1>know just the guy to talk with. Dr Greg Dumont

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<v Speaker 1>is the geology professor at the University of Arkansas. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>interested in understanding the geologic history of this gap that

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<v Speaker 1>helped define Boone's life and build an empire, and if

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<v Speaker 1>why the gap sits almost slap on the spot where Virginia,

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<v Speaker 1>Tennessee Kentucky touch. However, most of the actual mountain pass

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<v Speaker 1>is in Virginia. Meet Dr Dumont. Dr Dumont, I am

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<v Speaker 1>trying to understand two things what a gap is from

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<v Speaker 1>a geologic standpoint, because we throw out this term a gap,

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<v Speaker 1>the Cumberland Gap, in such a way that we just

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<v Speaker 1>assumed that everybody knows what that is. So I want

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<v Speaker 1>to understand what a gap is is. But then the

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<v Speaker 1>second thing I want to understand is why the Cumberland Gap,

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<v Speaker 1>even from a topographic perspective, was so special. Talk to

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<v Speaker 1>me about like how a gap would be formed in

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<v Speaker 1>the Appalachian Mountains. Well, gaps throughout any sort of mountain

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<v Speaker 1>belt across the world are sort of a product of

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<v Speaker 1>erosion of rock that's been uplifted to make the mountain

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<v Speaker 1>in the first place, and erosion works preferentially, for example,

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<v Speaker 1>on the rocks that are weakest, so like a shield

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<v Speaker 1>versus the granite. Uh. If there are places where the

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<v Speaker 1>mountains or rocks have been fractured, you might have faults

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<v Speaker 1>that slid and they introduce a place where erosion can

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<v Speaker 1>can happen and create that notch or gap that would

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<v Speaker 1>allow people to pass through it. Other places, like if

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<v Speaker 1>you were in the Himalayas, you'd have glaciers that are

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<v Speaker 1>creating some of those notches that you could pass over.

0:14:57.120 --> 0:15:02.080
<v Speaker 1>And the term notch gap pass applies universally. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>you can look across the US and the rockies up

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<v Speaker 1>in Canada in the Appalachians and see similar features and

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<v Speaker 1>not all of them are caused by the same things.

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<v Speaker 1>The Appalachians were the product of several mountain building events,

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<v Speaker 1>But one that was really prominent is what's called the

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<v Speaker 1>alleghany in orogeny. When you take continental crust and other

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<v Speaker 1>material and you collide it together to make a mountain belt,

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<v Speaker 1>you end up producing faults where some rocks slide up

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<v Speaker 1>on top of another. In the Pine Mountain Thrust is

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<v Speaker 1>the main structure that brings part of the Appalachians up

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<v Speaker 1>on top of the adjacent rock. But then there are

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<v Speaker 1>other faults. You know, everyone's familiar with the San Andrea's

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<v Speaker 1>fault for example, and in that case, rocks are actually

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<v Speaker 1>sliding past each other on a very steep fault, like

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<v Speaker 1>uh Los Angeles is now creeping towards San Francisco, for example.

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<v Speaker 1>And the fall that's unique in the Cumberland Gap is

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<v Speaker 1>kind of like that. It's a steep fault where rocks

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<v Speaker 1>have slid past each other, called the Rocky Face fault.

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<v Speaker 1>And if you didn't have the juxtaposition of the Pine

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<v Speaker 1>Mountain Thrust and the Rocky Face fault where they sit

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<v Speaker 1>and intersect each other, it seems conceivable you wouldn't really

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<v Speaker 1>had a gap. Really, So there's two different major forces

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<v Speaker 1>working together that created to yeah, two faults that occur

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<v Speaker 1>right in that vicinity that helped create the gap. And

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<v Speaker 1>we talked about earlier how the rock type matters to

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<v Speaker 1>and uh, some of the high ground that's held up

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<v Speaker 1>along the ridges is a very resistant sandstone conglomerate rock,

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<v Speaker 1>and so it helps to have rocks that are more

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<v Speaker 1>resistant weathering. What kind of map would you call this?

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<v Speaker 1>So you got pulled up here. So this is what's

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<v Speaker 1>called a digital elevation model, and it's basically a three

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<v Speaker 1>dimensional representation of what hunters would see as a topographic

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<v Speaker 1>map that I don't know if anybody knows about this,

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<v Speaker 1>but there is a huge impact creater that is just

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<v Speaker 1>to the south west of what you're talking about. Is

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<v Speaker 1>that a natural like there? It's well, I know it's

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<v Speaker 1>uh not a league it is. So here's the topographic

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<v Speaker 1>map and you can see it's a depression. So he's

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<v Speaker 1>let me describe to you what I'm seeing. He's he's

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<v Speaker 1>pointing at an impact crater which looks like, I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>like an asteroid or something hit there. Is that right?

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<v Speaker 1>That is what the current thinking is that here's a

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<v Speaker 1>geologic map and you can see it's got this circular

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<v Speaker 1>shape to it, and there is uh, pretty decent evidence

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<v Speaker 1>that post deposition of these rocks and the Appalachian and

0:17:43.480 --> 0:17:48.440
<v Speaker 1>rogen e something smack down and apparently this is one

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<v Speaker 1>of the few places where coal is mined within an

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<v Speaker 1>impact creator. Yeah. Geologists call these impact creators astro bleams.

0:17:57.119 --> 0:18:01.159
<v Speaker 1>Daniel Boone had three interesting structures to negotiate along with

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<v Speaker 1>all of the Native Americans prior to him and everybody

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<v Speaker 1>trying to make the big trip across the Appalachians. Two

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<v Speaker 1>intersecting faults, and an astro blam where an asteroid hit

0:18:16.680 --> 0:18:20.560
<v Speaker 1>aided in forming the Cumberland Gap. I like connecting human

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<v Speaker 1>history to grand things like mountain building that we have

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<v Speaker 1>absolutely no control over but inflict a massive control on us.

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<v Speaker 1>The Cumberland Gap is the biggest and best gap for

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<v Speaker 1>a hundred miles in either direction, and forces above and

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<v Speaker 1>below the earth helped make it that way. It's wild

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<v Speaker 1>because no gap in the world has been more critical

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<v Speaker 1>in building an empire than the Cumberland Gap. The gap

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<v Speaker 1>is actually pretty new to people of European descent, but

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<v Speaker 1>Native Americans have used it since before recorded history, and

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<v Speaker 1>they call that the warriors Path or at the woman Ee.

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<v Speaker 1>This gap connected the Iroquois Confederacy and the Cherokees in

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<v Speaker 1>the South. The first recorded account of Europeans going through

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<v Speaker 1>the Cumberland Gap dates back to the sixteen seventies, but

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<v Speaker 1>Dr Thomas Walker officially named the gap it's European name anyway,

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<v Speaker 1>in the seventeen fifties. Wild and ironic, this American gap

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<v Speaker 1>was named after a straight up English chump, the Duke

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<v Speaker 1>of Cumberland, because of his recent military escapade. And wouldn't

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<v Speaker 1>you know it, they named the whole stinking Mountain range

0:19:39.440 --> 0:19:42.680
<v Speaker 1>after this man, who never set foot in North America.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh the injustice. The Shawnee, however, called the range was Oto,

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<v Speaker 1>which means mountains where the deer are plentiful. Now I

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<v Speaker 1>can get behind that. Dr Walker was a medical doctor,

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<v Speaker 1>a land speculator in a woodsman who took good notes

0:20:00.760 --> 0:20:04.679
<v Speaker 1>of his seventeen fifty travels into Kentucky. They hauled a

0:20:04.680 --> 0:20:07.280
<v Speaker 1>pack of bear hounds with him and ate a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of bear meat. Here's a couple of wild stories. One

0:20:10.160 --> 0:20:13.399
<v Speaker 1>of his men got bit on the knee by a bear.

0:20:13.800 --> 0:20:17.520
<v Speaker 1>Pretty unfortunate. Walker's horse got snake bit on the nose

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<v Speaker 1>and he rubbed it with bear grease to help cure

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<v Speaker 1>it not kidding. It's in his journal. Walker recorded killing

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<v Speaker 1>thirteen buffaloes, eight elk, fifty three bear, twenty deer, four geese,

0:20:29.400 --> 0:20:33.040
<v Speaker 1>hundred and fifty turkeys on their five month trip, and

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<v Speaker 1>Walker's men built the first log cabin constructed by white

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<v Speaker 1>men in Kentucky. It was no doubt quite the trip,

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<v Speaker 1>but very few remember Dr Walker's name, but they do

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<v Speaker 1>remember Boone, who crossed the gap almost twenty years later.

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<v Speaker 1>I want to take you into the Cumberland Gap. You

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<v Speaker 1>can go there yourself. This mountain pass maintain its relevance

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<v Speaker 1>into modern times as a travel corridor, as it eventually

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<v Speaker 1>became modern US Highway twenty five. The section of road

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<v Speaker 1>was extremely treacherous in the Cumberland Gap was notorious for

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<v Speaker 1>tragic vehicle accidents, claiming an average of five lives per

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<v Speaker 1>year in this very short stretch of road. However, something

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<v Speaker 1>good happened. On October eighth, the Cumberland Gap twin bore

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<v Speaker 1>four lane tunnel was opened, which burrows through Cumberland Mountain

0:21:30.520 --> 0:21:34.480
<v Speaker 1>and then an incredibly encouraging feat, they removed the concrete

0:21:34.520 --> 0:21:38.080
<v Speaker 1>and asphalt highway that went through the old gap and

0:21:38.240 --> 0:21:42.239
<v Speaker 1>rewilded it and today it looked similar to what it

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<v Speaker 1>looked like when only a single wagon lane trail passed

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<v Speaker 1>through it. The gap now sits in the Cumberland State Park.

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<v Speaker 1>It's an incredible place and I took my family there.

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<v Speaker 1>So we are at the Cumberland Gap. Is the history

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<v Speaker 1>Cumberland Gap. We're in the Cumberland Gap right now. Take

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<v Speaker 1>a picture with your mama. Moccas and clad warriors battling

0:22:09.000 --> 0:22:13.200
<v Speaker 1>Civil Wars soldiers each was here in the historic Cumberland Gap.

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<v Speaker 1>And now so are you. This is the historic Cumberland Gap.

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<v Speaker 1>You're there. This is it, man. I think this is

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<v Speaker 1>where James Lawrence would put his trees down if he

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<v Speaker 1>was trying to hunt the Cumberland Gap. Boys, this is

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<v Speaker 1>about the most narrow spot of the gap. You know.

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<v Speaker 1>The Native Americans called this the deer path, and James

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<v Speaker 1>Lawrence and many others before and since him made a

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<v Speaker 1>living off deer hunting in these gaps in the mountains. Guys,

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<v Speaker 1>Daniel Boone stood right here. Think about that. I mean, like,

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<v Speaker 1>maybe his feet were right where your feet are, and

0:22:49.440 --> 0:22:52.399
<v Speaker 1>the vegetation of the gap would have been different. In

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<v Speaker 1>seventeen sixty nine was the first time he came through here,

0:22:55.720 --> 0:22:58.280
<v Speaker 1>but he would have stood within I mean at least

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<v Speaker 1>ten feet of here, no doubt. I think of all

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<v Speaker 1>the Native Americans that came through this gap, the Buffalo wild.

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<v Speaker 1>What do you think, crazy, John, I think it's pretty cool.

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<v Speaker 1>Describe what these woods look like. Bear right here in

0:23:15.240 --> 0:23:18.359
<v Speaker 1>the comer. They look a lot like Arkansas, which I

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<v Speaker 1>guess is eastern deciduous. Right there, there's a lot of

0:23:22.720 --> 0:23:26.560
<v Speaker 1>oak trees, white oak trees. There's a lot of like

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<v Speaker 1>it's fret of green on the ground. There's a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of rocks with covered in moss. Yeah, going into the

0:23:39.320 --> 0:23:42.000
<v Speaker 1>gap was a unique experience for me. You get the

0:23:42.040 --> 0:23:45.640
<v Speaker 1>impression the Cumberland Gap is massive and grand, but it's

0:23:45.680 --> 0:23:50.000
<v Speaker 1>really not. It's a narrow mountain gap. It's wild to

0:23:50.040 --> 0:23:53.959
<v Speaker 1>think that such historical significance was derived from such an

0:23:53.960 --> 0:24:01.119
<v Speaker 1>obscure place. Frederick Jackson Turner wrote, stand at the Cumberland Gap,

0:24:01.560 --> 0:24:06.639
<v Speaker 1>and watch the procession of civilization marching single file, the

0:24:06.680 --> 0:24:10.200
<v Speaker 1>buffalo following the trail to the salt springs. The Indian,

0:24:10.480 --> 0:24:14.320
<v Speaker 1>the fur trader and hunter, the cattle raiser, the pioneer

0:24:14.400 --> 0:24:19.920
<v Speaker 1>farmer in the frontier has passed by. Here's Steve Ronnella

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<v Speaker 1>on the significance of the Cumberland Gap on Boone's life.

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<v Speaker 1>Some people's lives we see this through history. Some people's

0:24:30.000 --> 0:24:35.359
<v Speaker 1>lives become defined by history, not necessarily by them. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know if Daniel Boone would look back at his

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<v Speaker 1>life and see that going through the Cumberland Gap was

0:24:40.560 --> 0:24:44.440
<v Speaker 1>that significant. Maybe would maybe wouldn't. But history has decided

0:24:44.720 --> 0:24:50.520
<v Speaker 1>that that is this defining moment that was iconic. Man,

0:24:50.680 --> 0:24:53.480
<v Speaker 1>it had significance to him. Why why was it significant?

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<v Speaker 1>If you would have asked him and he was in

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<v Speaker 1>the mood to discuss it, I think it would have

0:24:57.359 --> 0:25:03.200
<v Speaker 1>been described as this is what we his families people him,

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<v Speaker 1>this is what we had always been hoping to find

0:25:05.760 --> 0:25:09.440
<v Speaker 1>in all those moves and all those shifting arounds, like

0:25:09.720 --> 0:25:14.600
<v Speaker 1>that's the thing you were after, unlimited game, grassland, agricultural land.

0:25:14.960 --> 0:25:17.640
<v Speaker 1>No other people that look like you there. The people

0:25:17.680 --> 0:25:20.720
<v Speaker 1>that were, they were easily dismissed by them, reckoned with,

0:25:20.880 --> 0:25:24.479
<v Speaker 1>but but not recognized as a rightful owners to it,

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<v Speaker 1>you know. And also it was a hard thing to

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<v Speaker 1>go do, and they knew that to do it, to

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<v Speaker 1>try to pull it off, they knew it was risky.

0:25:34.320 --> 0:25:37.080
<v Speaker 1>They knew it was a major undertaking. You had to

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<v Speaker 1>scout it, you had the plan. It was like a thing,

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<v Speaker 1>meaning that not to in any way equate this. I

0:25:44.960 --> 0:25:47.800
<v Speaker 1>grew up in Michigan and wounded up in Montana. If

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<v Speaker 1>I was laying out my life for someone later, I

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<v Speaker 1>would put that as a key moment. Okay, that was

0:25:56.119 --> 0:25:58.440
<v Speaker 1>like a key moment upon which many things were angered.

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<v Speaker 1>And there's no way that Boone wouldn't regard that. Going

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<v Speaker 1>through the Cumberland Gap, and he didn't. You know, he

0:26:05.240 --> 0:26:08.200
<v Speaker 1>didn't discovered Kentucky. He wouldn't have said he discovered Kentucky.

0:26:08.480 --> 0:26:11.080
<v Speaker 1>He no doubt went places that no white man had

0:26:11.119 --> 0:26:15.520
<v Speaker 1>gone before. Absolutely, but it wasn't through the gap. He said, like, man,

0:26:15.880 --> 0:26:19.400
<v Speaker 1>my whole life built up to this. I put everything

0:26:19.480 --> 0:26:22.280
<v Speaker 1>I had into making this a go. I put my

0:26:22.359 --> 0:26:25.960
<v Speaker 1>family at risk to make this a go. He's buried

0:26:26.160 --> 0:26:28.960
<v Speaker 1>in two places, but I think it would have been symbolic,

0:26:29.320 --> 0:26:32.040
<v Speaker 1>and he would have recognized the symbolism. Had you taken

0:26:32.080 --> 0:26:34.679
<v Speaker 1>his ashes and and sprinkled him at the top of

0:26:34.680 --> 0:26:37.440
<v Speaker 1>the Cumberland Gap, I think it would have been to him.

0:26:37.440 --> 0:26:43.240
<v Speaker 1>It would have made sense. I want you to hear

0:26:43.320 --> 0:26:47.399
<v Speaker 1>two of Steve Ronella's favorite Boon stories, and both involved

0:26:47.440 --> 0:26:54.480
<v Speaker 1>the Cumberland Gap. Here's what he had to say. I

0:26:54.480 --> 0:26:58.639
<v Speaker 1>have two favorite Boon stories. Ones very precise and specific

0:26:59.080 --> 0:27:01.920
<v Speaker 1>and one is more general, and that one is about

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<v Speaker 1>a moment and the other one is about a stretch

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<v Speaker 1>of years in terms of the one that lasted for

0:27:07.119 --> 0:27:11.280
<v Speaker 1>a stretch of years. If I had an opportunity to

0:27:11.280 --> 0:27:15.600
<v Speaker 1>to do time travel and I just had one shot, okay,

0:27:15.720 --> 0:27:18.919
<v Speaker 1>I'm torn between two things. One would be to go

0:27:19.160 --> 0:27:23.639
<v Speaker 1>to the northern Great Plains at a time when the

0:27:23.800 --> 0:27:27.840
<v Speaker 1>first humans had kind of entered what is now the

0:27:28.000 --> 0:27:30.119
<v Speaker 1>sort of like you know, the Mid Continent entered what

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<v Speaker 1>is now the Great Plans of America. Okay, so no

0:27:34.280 --> 0:27:37.800
<v Speaker 1>non Boon related, non boon related years ago. Whatever it

0:27:37.880 --> 0:27:40.800
<v Speaker 1>was to be on the Northern Plains with the Paleo

0:27:40.840 --> 0:27:43.879
<v Speaker 1>Indian hunters who were first ever humans is step foot.

0:27:44.640 --> 0:27:47.399
<v Speaker 1>So if I didn't do that place to seeing you know,

0:27:47.480 --> 0:27:51.080
<v Speaker 1>mammoth hunter move, I would want to go with Boone

0:27:51.320 --> 0:27:54.160
<v Speaker 1>when he went in first hunted Kentucky for a couple

0:27:54.200 --> 0:27:57.479
<v Speaker 1>of years, and yes, I said a couple of years.

0:27:58.280 --> 0:28:00.800
<v Speaker 1>They went there on a long hunt. People he was

0:28:00.840 --> 0:28:05.200
<v Speaker 1>with were killed. He wound up staying wilfully, not trapped,

0:28:05.560 --> 0:28:09.400
<v Speaker 1>just staying so long that he ran out of gunpowder,

0:28:10.119 --> 0:28:13.280
<v Speaker 1>had to make his own gunpowder with bat guano from caves.

0:28:13.920 --> 0:28:17.280
<v Speaker 1>Worked up, you know, a good amount of money's worth.

0:28:17.280 --> 0:28:22.000
<v Speaker 1>The hides lost. It was taken from him by the Indians,

0:28:22.040 --> 0:28:24.159
<v Speaker 1>and they and from their perspective, he had taken it

0:28:24.200 --> 0:28:27.200
<v Speaker 1>from them. They took it back, worked up another good

0:28:27.240 --> 0:28:31.360
<v Speaker 1>fortune and Hides had that taken from him, comes home

0:28:31.440 --> 0:28:37.320
<v Speaker 1>empty handed. But that adventure, that two year adventure in

0:28:37.320 --> 0:28:41.840
<v Speaker 1>the wilderness, the finite, very specific moment is later when

0:28:41.840 --> 0:28:44.040
<v Speaker 1>Boone wanted to bring his family out to the wilderness

0:28:44.040 --> 0:28:48.960
<v Speaker 1>of Kentucky. His boy, one of his boys, was tortured

0:28:49.000 --> 0:28:52.920
<v Speaker 1>and killed on the route on the on the wilderness

0:28:53.000 --> 0:28:57.320
<v Speaker 1>road that led into Kentucky, which that was the Cumberland Gap.

0:28:58.680 --> 0:29:00.840
<v Speaker 1>They were spread out, they were moved even live stock,

0:29:00.960 --> 0:29:03.640
<v Speaker 1>you know, you imagine him like walking along, but they

0:29:03.640 --> 0:29:06.760
<v Speaker 1>were they're they're strung out, well, they're strong, they're strong

0:29:06.840 --> 0:29:10.040
<v Speaker 1>out so much in fact, as they're traveling through in

0:29:10.080 --> 0:29:12.160
<v Speaker 1>a big group. They're strung out so much in fact

0:29:12.200 --> 0:29:14.920
<v Speaker 1>that his boy gets caught, tortured and killed and Boon

0:29:15.000 --> 0:29:18.720
<v Speaker 1>doesn't know what's going on until later, but he's very uh,

0:29:18.800 --> 0:29:21.680
<v Speaker 1>you know, his boy's left there, and he's very hastily buried.

0:29:22.080 --> 0:29:24.800
<v Speaker 1>They didn't want to linger. They hastily bury his son.

0:29:25.680 --> 0:29:28.880
<v Speaker 1>I believe it might have been about a year later. Um,

0:29:28.920 --> 0:29:31.400
<v Speaker 1>And this is the kind of favorite Boone story moment.

0:29:31.480 --> 0:29:33.240
<v Speaker 1>About a year later, he happens to be going through

0:29:33.240 --> 0:29:36.800
<v Speaker 1>there by himself, and as he tells it, it's raining.

0:29:37.560 --> 0:29:39.720
<v Speaker 1>He describes it as the most as the lowest point

0:29:39.760 --> 0:29:43.160
<v Speaker 1>of his life. Goes back to find his boy's grave.

0:29:43.520 --> 0:29:46.200
<v Speaker 1>His boy was killed with another kid, finds where they

0:29:46.200 --> 0:29:49.200
<v Speaker 1>had hastily buried him and had been dug up by wolves,

0:29:50.160 --> 0:29:54.320
<v Speaker 1>and it was just the remains there, um, scavenge remains.

0:29:54.640 --> 0:29:58.840
<v Speaker 1>But he recognizes his boy's hair on a dried scalp

0:29:58.920 --> 0:30:02.240
<v Speaker 1>on his head, and so he knows what child is

0:30:02.320 --> 0:30:09.360
<v Speaker 1>his and sits with him and weeps with him in

0:30:09.440 --> 0:30:14.800
<v Speaker 1>his arms in the rain. And then here's something that

0:30:14.880 --> 0:30:18.160
<v Speaker 1>doesn't sound right to him, and realizes there are Indians

0:30:18.200 --> 0:30:23.000
<v Speaker 1>coming and has to slip off into the night to

0:30:23.080 --> 0:30:28.080
<v Speaker 1>get away. Uh, I'm a father losing a child. It's

0:30:28.120 --> 0:30:31.720
<v Speaker 1>just like you can't begin to imagine it. But these

0:30:31.720 --> 0:30:35.200
<v Speaker 1>people live so close to death that sometimes you think

0:30:35.200 --> 0:30:38.320
<v Speaker 1>that they had to have been immune to it. Right

0:30:38.360 --> 0:30:41.600
<v Speaker 1>if you watch Western's righteous people shooting people all the

0:30:41.640 --> 0:30:45.280
<v Speaker 1>time and like, you know, no one cares and they're ambivalent. Um,

0:30:45.440 --> 0:30:48.000
<v Speaker 1>maybe there was some of that, But that he had,

0:30:48.080 --> 0:30:52.000
<v Speaker 1>like that deep emotion you know, shows that like they

0:30:52.120 --> 0:30:55.880
<v Speaker 1>felt all that stuff. He was human like anybody did.

0:30:56.160 --> 0:31:00.840
<v Speaker 1>And the thought of a father in the rain himself

0:31:01.880 --> 0:31:06.800
<v Speaker 1>cradling like the wolf scavenged body of his child and

0:31:06.840 --> 0:31:11.920
<v Speaker 1>then slipping off into the night, Um, oh, it's haunting. Man. Well,

0:31:11.960 --> 0:31:15.480
<v Speaker 1>I think what you've tapped into there is that with

0:31:15.560 --> 0:31:20.840
<v Speaker 1>these superhero disneyfied characters that we've made of some of

0:31:20.880 --> 0:31:24.640
<v Speaker 1>these people like Boone, we we lose the fact that

0:31:24.680 --> 0:31:29.440
<v Speaker 1>they are human. That's lost somewhere inside of that story,

0:31:30.080 --> 0:31:32.240
<v Speaker 1>and that when you see some of these things that

0:31:32.280 --> 0:31:36.560
<v Speaker 1>he did. And I think this is where the real

0:31:36.600 --> 0:31:41.080
<v Speaker 1>Boon is better than the myth of Boone, because as

0:31:41.120 --> 0:31:44.760
<v Speaker 1>I've learned about his life, what I'm most impressed with

0:31:45.360 --> 0:31:54.960
<v Speaker 1>is him as a as a human. I introduced you

0:31:55.000 --> 0:31:58.200
<v Speaker 1>to Mr Robert Morgan robustly on part one, but in

0:31:58.240 --> 0:32:00.320
<v Speaker 1>case you missed it, he's a heck of a guy.

0:32:00.760 --> 0:32:03.960
<v Speaker 1>He wrote one of the most famous Boone biographies in history,

0:32:04.320 --> 0:32:08.840
<v Speaker 1>simply titled Boone. You should probably check it out. Born

0:32:08.880 --> 0:32:12.160
<v Speaker 1>in Appalachia in the nineteen forties, he spent his life

0:32:12.200 --> 0:32:14.760
<v Speaker 1>writing about the people of the mountains. He's a New

0:32:14.800 --> 0:32:18.320
<v Speaker 1>York Times bestselling author and poet. He's quite the catch

0:32:18.560 --> 0:32:22.200
<v Speaker 1>for a hillbilly podcast like this one. Here, it's an

0:32:22.240 --> 0:32:31.040
<v Speaker 1>honor again to bring you Mr Morgan. So, the Cumberland

0:32:31.120 --> 0:32:36.040
<v Speaker 1>Gap is this like small topographic feature that if you

0:32:36.080 --> 0:32:39.160
<v Speaker 1>were looking across the topographic map of North America, you

0:32:39.160 --> 0:32:42.080
<v Speaker 1>wouldn't pick it out as this place that was really

0:32:42.160 --> 0:32:46.320
<v Speaker 1>significant in American history, but it it became very significant.

0:32:46.440 --> 0:32:51.040
<v Speaker 1>It's significant for the United States, but it's also significant

0:32:51.040 --> 0:32:54.280
<v Speaker 1>for Boone. Can you explain for us why it was

0:32:54.360 --> 0:32:59.520
<v Speaker 1>so significant specifically for Daniel Boone. Well, it's the topography.

0:33:00.000 --> 0:33:03.720
<v Speaker 1>It makes it so important to have this chain of mountains,

0:33:04.040 --> 0:33:08.360
<v Speaker 1>the Cumberlands, and they're hard to cross, particularly for the

0:33:08.440 --> 0:33:11.560
<v Speaker 1>no roads and no trails are always none. And for

0:33:11.600 --> 0:33:15.959
<v Speaker 1>about two hundred years, English speaking settlers had kind of

0:33:15.960 --> 0:33:19.560
<v Speaker 1>been trapped on the eastern side of these mountains. So

0:33:19.800 --> 0:33:23.720
<v Speaker 1>to get to the middle ground, the Great meadow. They

0:33:23.760 --> 0:33:27.440
<v Speaker 1>needed an easier way than just crossing one row of

0:33:27.480 --> 0:33:30.520
<v Speaker 1>mountains after another after another. There were other gaps. Pound

0:33:30.560 --> 0:33:34.440
<v Speaker 1>Gap farther north was away in through the Cumberlands into

0:33:34.440 --> 0:33:38.240
<v Speaker 1>the Cumberland Plateau, but it wasn't as good as as

0:33:38.360 --> 0:33:41.280
<v Speaker 1>a Cumberland Gap, which had been used for thousands of

0:33:41.360 --> 0:33:44.320
<v Speaker 1>years by by the Indians. They had a name for it.

0:33:44.440 --> 0:33:48.000
<v Speaker 1>They called it wasi Oda, meaning the deer path, the

0:33:48.080 --> 0:33:53.640
<v Speaker 1>deer trail, and uh no secret to the Indians. They

0:33:53.640 --> 0:33:56.240
<v Speaker 1>had known about it for a long time. But getting

0:33:56.280 --> 0:34:00.760
<v Speaker 1>into Kentucky was an enormously important thing. As it turned out.

0:34:00.840 --> 0:34:03.680
<v Speaker 1>You wouldn't think so, really, but they needed a way

0:34:03.840 --> 0:34:07.040
<v Speaker 1>into the middle Ground, into the blue Grass because that

0:34:07.160 --> 0:34:10.080
<v Speaker 1>was the opening really to the West, to what we

0:34:10.160 --> 0:34:12.920
<v Speaker 1>call the Middle West. You could get to it by

0:34:12.960 --> 0:34:15.359
<v Speaker 1>coming down the Ohio River, but you had to go

0:34:15.719 --> 0:34:18.239
<v Speaker 1>way up there to Pittsburgh that area to get on

0:34:18.280 --> 0:34:20.799
<v Speaker 1>the river. And it was very dangerous to come down

0:34:20.880 --> 0:34:24.239
<v Speaker 1>the river because you had Indians on both sides, and

0:34:24.280 --> 0:34:27.279
<v Speaker 1>many were killed coming down that river. But there was

0:34:27.560 --> 0:34:31.680
<v Speaker 1>very few Indians in Kentucky. That's why it seemed to appealing.

0:34:31.719 --> 0:34:33.920
<v Speaker 1>It that seemed like a miracle there were no Indian

0:34:34.000 --> 0:34:37.200
<v Speaker 1>villages there in this vast area of the Bluegrass. Now

0:34:37.280 --> 0:34:40.680
<v Speaker 1>why would that be? That was very interesting. It was

0:34:40.719 --> 0:34:45.359
<v Speaker 1>a mystery had but a very wonderful mystery to explorers. Uh. Well,

0:34:45.360 --> 0:34:48.319
<v Speaker 1>there is a reason, the several reasons. But there had

0:34:48.360 --> 0:34:52.400
<v Speaker 1>been an enormous fur war early in the eighteenth century

0:34:52.480 --> 0:34:55.640
<v Speaker 1>between Indians and the French for control of what we

0:34:55.760 --> 0:34:59.040
<v Speaker 1>called the blue Grass. Everybody wanted it, and the Iroquois

0:34:59.120 --> 0:35:03.319
<v Speaker 1>had one at this huge confederation of the Iroquois way

0:35:03.360 --> 0:35:06.239
<v Speaker 1>up here in New York actually, but they traveled a

0:35:06.239 --> 0:35:09.919
<v Speaker 1>long way and that was their buffalo hunting ground. They

0:35:10.040 --> 0:35:13.600
<v Speaker 1>forbade the other Indians for building villages there. But it

0:35:13.680 --> 0:35:16.240
<v Speaker 1>wasn't just the Iroquois and the other and everybody wanted

0:35:16.239 --> 0:35:19.799
<v Speaker 1>a Cherokees wanted it, the Mingoes wanted the Delawares. But

0:35:19.960 --> 0:35:23.920
<v Speaker 1>because it was so fought over, it was called the

0:35:24.080 --> 0:35:28.080
<v Speaker 1>dark and bloody ground. Now that's not what Kentucky means.

0:35:28.320 --> 0:35:31.680
<v Speaker 1>Kentuck Key is made from two Iroquois words meaning the

0:35:32.160 --> 0:35:35.480
<v Speaker 1>flat land, the level land. There have been many names

0:35:35.560 --> 0:35:39.400
<v Speaker 1>for the area of Kentucky. For a long time, people

0:35:39.400 --> 0:35:42.320
<v Speaker 1>thought that's what Kentucky meant, the dark and bloody ground.

0:35:42.320 --> 0:35:45.360
<v Speaker 1>They had heard that, but the Iroquois had named it

0:35:45.440 --> 0:35:49.480
<v Speaker 1>something a little more peaceable, Kentucky. And why would the

0:35:49.480 --> 0:35:53.439
<v Speaker 1>white people have called it by that Iroquois name. I

0:35:53.480 --> 0:35:56.120
<v Speaker 1>think they had heard the Cherokees use it. And there's

0:35:56.160 --> 0:36:01.399
<v Speaker 1>something so beautiful about Kentucky, those double case sounds. Yeah,

0:36:01.440 --> 0:36:04.200
<v Speaker 1>the actual word itself. Once you've heard it, you just

0:36:04.239 --> 0:36:06.520
<v Speaker 1>want to say it. You know, it's like poetry. It's

0:36:06.560 --> 0:36:09.160
<v Speaker 1>sweet on the tongue. And you could have called it

0:36:09.360 --> 0:36:13.400
<v Speaker 1>as the Shawnees did, escu parcaiki. You could call it

0:36:13.480 --> 0:36:16.120
<v Speaker 1>kentu key and and we can see what went out.

0:36:16.440 --> 0:36:20.640
<v Speaker 1>But Cumberland Gap was so important because coming from the

0:36:20.680 --> 0:36:24.560
<v Speaker 1>eastern colonies, from the Carolina's, from Tennessee, that was the

0:36:24.640 --> 0:36:27.359
<v Speaker 1>way in. It was a fairly easy way. Once you've

0:36:27.400 --> 0:36:30.720
<v Speaker 1>found it, you followed the warriors path, and you're looking

0:36:30.760 --> 0:36:36.120
<v Speaker 1>at these absolutely forbidding cliffs a boon or somebody in

0:36:36.160 --> 0:36:38.560
<v Speaker 1>the Adventures of Colonel Daniel Boone said they're like the

0:36:38.640 --> 0:36:42.520
<v Speaker 1>ruins of Palmyra. And people want how did Dan Daniel

0:36:42.520 --> 0:36:47.280
<v Speaker 1>Boone ever hear about the ruins of Palmira. Well, Daniel

0:36:47.320 --> 0:36:51.840
<v Speaker 1>Boone was surprisingly educated, and sometimes he loved to read,

0:36:52.200 --> 0:36:55.520
<v Speaker 1>and he loved to read history. He had a fabulous memory.

0:36:56.320 --> 0:36:59.320
<v Speaker 1>He could remember topography. He'd ever seen a place, he

0:36:59.360 --> 0:37:03.600
<v Speaker 1>would remember it. And he had a gift for language

0:37:04.480 --> 0:37:08.520
<v Speaker 1>and an ability to talk the language of whoever he

0:37:08.560 --> 0:37:12.720
<v Speaker 1>was talking to, that ability to blend in and among

0:37:12.760 --> 0:37:15.960
<v Speaker 1>these backwoodsmen, he could talk rough. When he met better

0:37:16.080 --> 0:37:19.360
<v Speaker 1>educated people, he could talk like a better educated person.

0:37:19.480 --> 0:37:23.280
<v Speaker 1>You know, is that that that mirror? That language mirror

0:37:23.840 --> 0:37:27.480
<v Speaker 1>he was with code switching? Absolutely, it was. It was

0:37:27.520 --> 0:37:31.399
<v Speaker 1>a kind of you know, chameleon ability. And I think

0:37:31.920 --> 0:37:35.120
<v Speaker 1>some people think that was put in there by Philson,

0:37:35.520 --> 0:37:37.680
<v Speaker 1>but it may have been. But I think Boone was

0:37:37.760 --> 0:37:40.920
<v Speaker 1>perfectly capable of coming up with a phrase he had

0:37:40.920 --> 0:37:44.120
<v Speaker 1>read or heard, uh and saying they were like the

0:37:44.200 --> 0:37:55.960
<v Speaker 1>ruins of Palmyra. Steve gave a quick overview of Boone's

0:37:55.960 --> 0:37:58.960
<v Speaker 1>first trip into Kentucky. But I'd like to let Daniel

0:37:59.040 --> 0:38:03.000
<v Speaker 1>tell you what happened. What I thought. The mystery of

0:38:03.040 --> 0:38:06.280
<v Speaker 1>Boone is that we never heard about his life directly

0:38:06.320 --> 0:38:10.000
<v Speaker 1>from him. If you remember the chapter in John Philson's

0:38:10.040 --> 0:38:14.080
<v Speaker 1>book titled The Adventures of Colonel Daniel Boone, the one

0:38:14.160 --> 0:38:17.680
<v Speaker 1>that made him famous, was a first person account of

0:38:17.680 --> 0:38:22.360
<v Speaker 1>what Boone told Philson. However, it's disputed. Remember how the

0:38:22.360 --> 0:38:25.359
<v Speaker 1>interview took place when Daniel was fifty years old. When

0:38:25.400 --> 0:38:28.040
<v Speaker 1>you hear the style of language, it makes you wonder

0:38:28.120 --> 0:38:31.160
<v Speaker 1>how much of this first person account was really from

0:38:31.200 --> 0:38:35.279
<v Speaker 1>Boone or is it in the young writer's interpretation of

0:38:35.320 --> 0:38:38.319
<v Speaker 1>what he said. Philson was around thirty years old when

0:38:38.360 --> 0:38:43.120
<v Speaker 1>he wrote this. Lastly, and most importantly, Daniel Boone is

0:38:43.320 --> 0:38:49.680
<v Speaker 1>verified to have said quote true, every word true, regarding

0:38:49.840 --> 0:38:55.800
<v Speaker 1>Philson's interviews and what he wrote. However, Nathan Boone, Daniel

0:38:55.800 --> 0:39:01.480
<v Speaker 1>Boone's youngest son, who Lyman Draper interviewed, said quote, I

0:39:01.520 --> 0:39:05.920
<v Speaker 1>feel confident that Philson took many liberties and made not

0:39:06.000 --> 0:39:10.960
<v Speaker 1>a few misinterpretations in the narrative, either purposefully or unintentionally.

0:39:11.360 --> 0:39:14.440
<v Speaker 1>I think their frequency can only be explained by supposing

0:39:14.480 --> 0:39:18.640
<v Speaker 1>that my father narrated his Kentucky adventures to Philson, who

0:39:18.640 --> 0:39:22.600
<v Speaker 1>wrote them down from memory at some subsequent period. Much

0:39:22.600 --> 0:39:26.200
<v Speaker 1>of the language is not my father's. End of court,

0:39:27.120 --> 0:39:29.680
<v Speaker 1>I'll let you be the judge of whether you believe

0:39:29.880 --> 0:39:34.600
<v Speaker 1>Daniel or his son Nathan. These are the words that

0:39:34.760 --> 0:39:45.160
<v Speaker 1>catapulted Boone into global fame, As recorded by Philson. It

0:39:45.239 --> 0:39:47.840
<v Speaker 1>was on the first of May in the year seventeen

0:39:47.920 --> 0:39:51.239
<v Speaker 1>sixty nine, that I resigned my domestic happiness for a

0:39:51.280 --> 0:39:54.680
<v Speaker 1>time and left my family in peaceable habitation on the

0:39:54.760 --> 0:39:58.160
<v Speaker 1>Yadkin River in North Carolina to wander through the wilderness

0:39:58.160 --> 0:40:02.360
<v Speaker 1>of America in quest of the country of Kentucky. In

0:40:02.480 --> 0:40:07.360
<v Speaker 1>company with John Finley, John Stewart, Joseph Holden, James Money,

0:40:08.000 --> 0:40:12.200
<v Speaker 1>and William cool we proceeded successfully, and after a long

0:40:12.280 --> 0:40:16.560
<v Speaker 1>and fatiguing journey through a mountainous wilderness in a westward direction,

0:40:16.960 --> 0:40:20.680
<v Speaker 1>on the seventh day of June following, we found ourselves

0:40:20.760 --> 0:40:24.440
<v Speaker 1>on Red River, where John Finlay had formerly been trading

0:40:24.440 --> 0:40:28.160
<v Speaker 1>with Indians, and from the top of an eminence saw

0:40:28.320 --> 0:40:32.600
<v Speaker 1>with pleasure the beautiful level of Kentucky. Here let me

0:40:32.640 --> 0:40:35.439
<v Speaker 1>observe that for some time we had experienced the most

0:40:35.560 --> 0:40:39.880
<v Speaker 1>uncomfortable weather. As a pre libation of our future sufferings.

0:40:40.120 --> 0:40:42.360
<v Speaker 1>At this place, we encamped and made a shelter to

0:40:42.400 --> 0:40:45.319
<v Speaker 1>defend us from the inclement season, and began to hunt

0:40:45.320 --> 0:40:49.120
<v Speaker 1>the country. We found everywhere abundance of wild beasts of

0:40:49.160 --> 0:40:53.080
<v Speaker 1>all sorts through this vast forest. The buffaloes were more

0:40:53.160 --> 0:40:56.560
<v Speaker 1>frequent than I had seen cattle in the settlements, browsing

0:40:56.600 --> 0:40:59.160
<v Speaker 1>on the leaves of the cane, and cropping the herbage

0:40:59.320 --> 0:41:03.360
<v Speaker 1>on those sense of plains, fearless because ignorant of the

0:41:03.440 --> 0:41:07.080
<v Speaker 1>violence of man. Sometimes we saw hundreds in a drobe,

0:41:07.400 --> 0:41:10.400
<v Speaker 1>and the numbers about the salt springs were amazing. In

0:41:10.440 --> 0:41:14.080
<v Speaker 1>this forest the habitation of beasts of every kind natural

0:41:14.120 --> 0:41:18.160
<v Speaker 1>to America. We practiced hunting with great success until the

0:41:18.239 --> 0:41:22.280
<v Speaker 1>twenty second day of December. Following this day, John Stewart

0:41:22.280 --> 0:41:25.440
<v Speaker 1>and I had a pleasing ramble, but fortune changed the

0:41:25.560 --> 0:41:28.200
<v Speaker 1>scene and the close of it we had passed through

0:41:28.200 --> 0:41:31.480
<v Speaker 1>a great forest on which stood myriads of trees, some

0:41:31.640 --> 0:41:35.880
<v Speaker 1>gay with blossoms, others rich with fruits. Nature here was

0:41:35.920 --> 0:41:39.480
<v Speaker 1>a series of wonders and a fund of delight. Here

0:41:39.600 --> 0:41:43.440
<v Speaker 1>she displayed her ingenuity and industry in a variety of

0:41:43.440 --> 0:41:48.960
<v Speaker 1>flowers and fruits, beautifully colored, elegantly shaped, and charmingly flavored.

0:41:49.200 --> 0:41:54.360
<v Speaker 1>And we were diverted with innumerable animals presenting themselves perpetually

0:41:54.440 --> 0:41:57.439
<v Speaker 1>to our view. In the decline of the day, near

0:41:57.480 --> 0:41:59.880
<v Speaker 1>the Kentucky River, as we ascended the brow of the

0:42:00.040 --> 0:42:03.440
<v Speaker 1>small hill, a number of Indians rushed out of the

0:42:03.520 --> 0:42:07.480
<v Speaker 1>thick cane break upon us and made us prisoners. The

0:42:07.560 --> 0:42:11.360
<v Speaker 1>time of our sorrow was now arrived, and the scene

0:42:11.400 --> 0:42:14.960
<v Speaker 1>fully opened. The Indians plundered of us what we had

0:42:15.000 --> 0:42:18.000
<v Speaker 1>and kept us in confinement seven days, treating us with

0:42:18.120 --> 0:42:22.640
<v Speaker 1>common Indian usage. During this time we discovered no uneasiness

0:42:22.800 --> 0:42:26.920
<v Speaker 1>or desire to escape, which made them less suspicious of us.

0:42:26.960 --> 0:42:28.680
<v Speaker 1>But in the dead of night, as we lay in

0:42:28.719 --> 0:42:31.880
<v Speaker 1>a thick cane break by a large fire, when sleep

0:42:31.960 --> 0:42:35.640
<v Speaker 1>had locked up their senses, my situation not disposing me

0:42:35.719 --> 0:42:38.839
<v Speaker 1>for rest, I touched my companion and gently awoke him.

0:42:39.040 --> 0:42:43.560
<v Speaker 1>We improved this favorable opportunity and departed, leaving them to

0:42:43.680 --> 0:42:46.759
<v Speaker 1>take their rest, and speedily directed our course towards our

0:42:46.800 --> 0:42:50.400
<v Speaker 1>old camp, but found it plundered, and the company dispersed

0:42:50.440 --> 0:42:53.840
<v Speaker 1>and gone home. About this time, my brother, Squire Boone,

0:42:53.960 --> 0:42:57.480
<v Speaker 1>with another adventure, who came to explore the country shortly

0:42:57.520 --> 0:43:01.240
<v Speaker 1>after us, was wandering through the forest, determined to find

0:43:01.280 --> 0:43:06.160
<v Speaker 1>me if possible, and accidentally found our camp. Notwithstanding the

0:43:06.239 --> 0:43:10.080
<v Speaker 1>unfortunate circumstances of our company and our dangerous situation as

0:43:10.080 --> 0:43:14.120
<v Speaker 1>surrounded with hostile Indians, are meeting so fortunately and the

0:43:14.200 --> 0:43:19.279
<v Speaker 1>wilderness made us reciprocally sensible of the utmost satisfaction. So

0:43:19.440 --> 0:43:23.759
<v Speaker 1>much does friendship triumph over misfortune, that sorrows and sufferings

0:43:23.840 --> 0:43:26.799
<v Speaker 1>vanish at the meeting not only of real friends, but

0:43:26.840 --> 0:43:31.319
<v Speaker 1>of the most distant acquaintances, and substitutes happiness in their room.

0:43:31.880 --> 0:43:35.319
<v Speaker 1>Soon after this, my companion in captivity, John Stewart, was

0:43:35.440 --> 0:43:38.200
<v Speaker 1>killed by the Indians, and the man that came with

0:43:38.239 --> 0:43:41.640
<v Speaker 1>my brother returned home by himself. We were then in

0:43:41.680 --> 0:43:46.239
<v Speaker 1>a dangerous, helpless situation, exposed daily to perils and death

0:43:46.520 --> 0:43:49.880
<v Speaker 1>amongst Indians and wild beasts, not a white man in

0:43:49.920 --> 0:43:54.399
<v Speaker 1>the country, but ourselves. Thus situated many hundred miles from

0:43:54.400 --> 0:43:58.000
<v Speaker 1>our families in the howling wilderness, I believe you would

0:43:58.000 --> 0:44:02.880
<v Speaker 1>have equally enjoyed the happiness we experienced. I often observed

0:44:02.960 --> 0:44:06.799
<v Speaker 1>to my brother. You see now how little nature requires

0:44:06.800 --> 0:44:11.919
<v Speaker 1>to be satisfied. Felicity, the companion of content, is rather

0:44:12.040 --> 0:44:15.239
<v Speaker 1>found in our own breasts than in the enjoyment of

0:44:15.320 --> 0:44:19.239
<v Speaker 1>external things. And I firmly believe it requires but a

0:44:19.280 --> 0:44:22.920
<v Speaker 1>little philosophy to make a man happy in whatever state

0:44:23.040 --> 0:44:27.160
<v Speaker 1>he is. This consists in a full resignation of the

0:44:27.239 --> 0:44:31.160
<v Speaker 1>will of providence and a resigned soul finds pleasure in

0:44:31.200 --> 0:44:36.319
<v Speaker 1>a path strewed with briars and thorns. We continued, not

0:44:36.480 --> 0:44:39.239
<v Speaker 1>in a state of indolence, but hunted every day, and

0:44:39.280 --> 0:44:42.440
<v Speaker 1>prepared a little cottage to defend us from the winter storms.

0:44:42.920 --> 0:44:45.680
<v Speaker 1>We remain there undisturbed during the winter, and on the

0:44:45.719 --> 0:44:49.720
<v Speaker 1>first day of May seventeen seventy, my brother returned home

0:44:49.760 --> 0:44:52.719
<v Speaker 1>to the settlement by himself for a new recruit of

0:44:52.760 --> 0:44:57.800
<v Speaker 1>horses and ammunition, leaving me by myself without bread, salt,

0:44:57.960 --> 0:45:01.520
<v Speaker 1>or sugar, without company of my fellow creatures, or even

0:45:01.560 --> 0:45:05.319
<v Speaker 1>a horse or dog. I confess I never before was

0:45:05.440 --> 0:45:10.120
<v Speaker 1>under greater necessity of exercising philosophy and fortitude. A few

0:45:10.200 --> 0:45:14.480
<v Speaker 1>days I passed uncomfortably. The idea of a beloved wife

0:45:14.480 --> 0:45:18.040
<v Speaker 1>and family, and their anxiety upon the account of my

0:45:18.120 --> 0:45:22.960
<v Speaker 1>absence and exposed situation, made sensible impressions on my heart.

0:45:23.280 --> 0:45:27.600
<v Speaker 1>A thousand dreadful apprehensions presented themselves to my view, and

0:45:27.640 --> 0:45:33.279
<v Speaker 1>had undoubtedly disposed me to melancholy if further indulged. One

0:45:33.320 --> 0:45:35.960
<v Speaker 1>day I undertook a tour through the country, and the

0:45:36.000 --> 0:45:38.880
<v Speaker 1>diversity and beauties of nature I met within this charming

0:45:39.000 --> 0:45:43.960
<v Speaker 1>season expelled every gloomy and vexatious thought. Just at the

0:45:43.960 --> 0:45:47.920
<v Speaker 1>close of the day, as gentle gales retired and left

0:45:48.000 --> 0:45:51.799
<v Speaker 1>the place to the disposal of a profound calm, not

0:45:51.920 --> 0:45:55.880
<v Speaker 1>a breeze shook the most tremulous leaf. I had gained

0:45:55.880 --> 0:45:58.400
<v Speaker 1>the summit of a commanding ridge, and looking round with

0:45:58.440 --> 0:46:03.440
<v Speaker 1>astonishing delight, held the ample planes and the beauteous tracks below.

0:46:03.920 --> 0:46:07.120
<v Speaker 1>On the other hand, I surveyed the famous River Ohio

0:46:07.320 --> 0:46:11.319
<v Speaker 1>that rolled in silent dignity, marking the western boundary of

0:46:11.400 --> 0:46:16.360
<v Speaker 1>Kentucky with inconceivable grandeur. At a vast distance, I beheld

0:46:16.360 --> 0:46:20.880
<v Speaker 1>the mountains lift their venerable brows and penetrate the clouds.

0:46:20.920 --> 0:46:26.080
<v Speaker 1>All things were still. I kindled a fire near a

0:46:26.080 --> 0:46:29.040
<v Speaker 1>fountain of sweet water, and feasted on the loin of

0:46:29.080 --> 0:46:31.560
<v Speaker 1>a buck, which a few hours before I had killed.

0:46:31.760 --> 0:46:35.360
<v Speaker 1>The sullen shades of night soon overspread the whole hemisphere,

0:46:35.480 --> 0:46:38.920
<v Speaker 1>and the earth seemed to gasp after the hovering moisture.

0:46:39.320 --> 0:46:42.120
<v Speaker 1>My roving excursion this day had fatigued my body and

0:46:42.160 --> 0:46:45.680
<v Speaker 1>diverted my imagination. I laid me down to sleep, and

0:46:45.760 --> 0:46:48.439
<v Speaker 1>I woke not until the sun had chased away the night.

0:46:48.760 --> 0:46:51.760
<v Speaker 1>I continued this tour, and in a few days explored

0:46:51.800 --> 0:46:55.920
<v Speaker 1>a considerable part of the country. Each day equally pleased

0:46:55.960 --> 0:46:58.840
<v Speaker 1>as the first, I returned again to my old camp,

0:46:58.960 --> 0:47:01.719
<v Speaker 1>which was not disturbed herb to my absence. I did

0:47:01.760 --> 0:47:05.040
<v Speaker 1>not confine my lodging to it, but often reposed in

0:47:05.080 --> 0:47:08.120
<v Speaker 1>the thick cane brakes to avoid the Indians, who I

0:47:08.160 --> 0:47:12.160
<v Speaker 1>believe often visited my camp. But fortunately for me, in

0:47:12.239 --> 0:47:15.960
<v Speaker 1>my absence, in this torment with fear, which is vain

0:47:16.160 --> 0:47:19.839
<v Speaker 1>if no danger comes, and if it does, only augments

0:47:19.880 --> 0:47:23.239
<v Speaker 1>the pain, it was my happiness to be destitute of

0:47:23.239 --> 0:47:26.560
<v Speaker 1>this afflicting passion, with which I had the greatest reason

0:47:26.640 --> 0:47:30.880
<v Speaker 1>to be affected. The prowling wolves diverted my nocturnal hours

0:47:30.960 --> 0:47:34.440
<v Speaker 1>with perpetual howlings, and the various species of animals in

0:47:34.480 --> 0:47:37.680
<v Speaker 1>the vast forest in the daytime were continually in my view.

0:47:38.200 --> 0:47:41.080
<v Speaker 1>Thus I was surrounded with plenty in the midst of want.

0:47:41.320 --> 0:47:45.000
<v Speaker 1>I was happy in the midst of dangers and inconveniences.

0:47:45.000 --> 0:47:47.799
<v Speaker 1>In such a diversity, it was impossible I should be

0:47:47.880 --> 0:47:52.560
<v Speaker 1>disposed to melancholy. No populous city, with all the varieties

0:47:52.600 --> 0:47:56.400
<v Speaker 1>of commerce and stately structures, could afford so much pleasure

0:47:56.400 --> 0:48:00.640
<v Speaker 1>to my mind as the beauties of nature I found here. Thus,

0:48:00.680 --> 0:48:04.680
<v Speaker 1>through an uninterpreted scene of Sylvan pleasures, I spent the

0:48:04.760 --> 0:48:08.560
<v Speaker 1>time until the twenty seventh day of July following, when

0:48:08.600 --> 0:48:12.480
<v Speaker 1>my brother to my great Hilocoity met me according to

0:48:12.520 --> 0:48:16.680
<v Speaker 1>appointment at our old camp. Shortly after, we left this place,

0:48:17.000 --> 0:48:20.480
<v Speaker 1>not thinking it safe to stay there any longer, and

0:48:20.560 --> 0:48:24.600
<v Speaker 1>proceeded to Cumberland River, reconnoitering that part of the country

0:48:24.680 --> 0:48:28.480
<v Speaker 1>until March seventeen seventy one, in giving names to the

0:48:28.480 --> 0:48:32.480
<v Speaker 1>different waters. Soon after, I returned home to my family

0:48:32.719 --> 0:48:36.160
<v Speaker 1>with the determination to bring them as soon as possible

0:48:36.400 --> 0:48:40.919
<v Speaker 1>to live in Kentucky, which I esteemed a second paradise,

0:48:41.280 --> 0:48:45.520
<v Speaker 1>at risk of my life and fortune. End of passage.

0:48:48.880 --> 0:48:52.680
<v Speaker 1>This is a wild story of Boone's trip into Kentucky.

0:48:52.719 --> 0:48:56.920
<v Speaker 1>It's important to remember that Pilson's biographical chapter is a

0:48:56.960 --> 0:49:00.799
<v Speaker 1>big part of what made Boon world famous us. It's

0:49:00.840 --> 0:49:04.920
<v Speaker 1>interesting to think about why there's lots of stuff inside

0:49:04.920 --> 0:49:08.360
<v Speaker 1>of there that was new to the thought process of Americans.

0:49:08.600 --> 0:49:12.279
<v Speaker 1>In Mr Morgan's book, he made some insightful commentary on

0:49:12.320 --> 0:49:16.560
<v Speaker 1>the influences in Boone's life and how the old Woodsman

0:49:16.920 --> 0:49:20.759
<v Speaker 1>viewed his life. This is an excerpt from Mr Morgan's

0:49:20.760 --> 0:49:28.160
<v Speaker 1>book talking about John Filson's chapter. The style is that

0:49:28.280 --> 0:49:31.400
<v Speaker 1>of a quest narrative of a night errant in search

0:49:31.440 --> 0:49:34.840
<v Speaker 1>of a paradise, but it fits the adventure narrative also

0:49:34.960 --> 0:49:39.440
<v Speaker 1>as popularized by Defoe in the Robinson Crusoe. After the

0:49:39.480 --> 0:49:43.239
<v Speaker 1>Bible and The Pilgrim's Progress, Robinson Crusoe was perhaps the

0:49:43.280 --> 0:49:46.760
<v Speaker 1>most widely read book in North America in the eighteenth century.

0:49:47.239 --> 0:49:51.200
<v Speaker 1>Published in seventeen nineteen, the book, often called the first

0:49:51.239 --> 0:49:54.960
<v Speaker 1>novel in English, went through printing after printing and addition

0:49:55.080 --> 0:49:58.600
<v Speaker 1>after addition. Thought by the public to be a factual memoir,

0:49:59.040 --> 0:50:02.600
<v Speaker 1>not a work of action, Robinson Crusoe was modeled on

0:50:02.640 --> 0:50:06.279
<v Speaker 1>the true account of the Adventures of the Scottish sailor

0:50:06.320 --> 0:50:11.080
<v Speaker 1>Alexander Selkirk, as published by Richard Steele in seventeen thirteen.

0:50:11.560 --> 0:50:15.720
<v Speaker 1>Though largely unnoticed by scholars and historians writing about Boone,

0:50:16.000 --> 0:50:20.520
<v Speaker 1>defosed novel deeply influenced the way Boone told his story

0:50:20.840 --> 0:50:24.920
<v Speaker 1>and the way Philson wrote down the narrative. Crusoe's story

0:50:25.120 --> 0:50:28.080
<v Speaker 1>is told in the first person and not only describes

0:50:28.160 --> 0:50:31.239
<v Speaker 1>one man's heroic struggle for survival in the wilderness, but

0:50:31.440 --> 0:50:37.160
<v Speaker 1>is interspersed with moral meditations on the growth of character, humility,

0:50:37.239 --> 0:50:40.800
<v Speaker 1>and wisdom. After he finds himself alone on the desert island,

0:50:40.840 --> 0:50:45.440
<v Speaker 1>Crusoe says, as my reason began to master my despondency.

0:50:45.480 --> 0:50:48.080
<v Speaker 1>I began to comfort myself as well as I could,

0:50:48.440 --> 0:50:50.680
<v Speaker 1>and to set the good against the evil, that I

0:50:50.760 --> 0:50:54.960
<v Speaker 1>might have something to distinguish my case from worse. Describing

0:50:54.960 --> 0:50:57.440
<v Speaker 1>the period when he was alone in Kentucky after the

0:50:57.480 --> 0:51:01.120
<v Speaker 1>departure of his brother Squire from North Carolina in seventeen seventy,

0:51:01.120 --> 0:51:05.440
<v Speaker 1>Boone tells us I was by myself without bread, salt,

0:51:05.560 --> 0:51:08.759
<v Speaker 1>or sugar, without company of my fellow creatures, or even

0:51:08.760 --> 0:51:11.439
<v Speaker 1>a horse or dog. And I never before was under

0:51:11.520 --> 0:51:17.120
<v Speaker 1>greater necessity of exercising philosophy and fortitude. Much of Crusoe's

0:51:17.120 --> 0:51:19.680
<v Speaker 1>story is taken up with the details of his survival,

0:51:20.000 --> 0:51:24.000
<v Speaker 1>how he built a shelter, enlarged his cave, planted grain, hunted,

0:51:24.200 --> 0:51:27.640
<v Speaker 1>But alternating with the descriptions and narrative are passages of

0:51:27.719 --> 0:51:32.279
<v Speaker 1>philosophical comment quote, let this stand as a direction from

0:51:32.280 --> 0:51:35.120
<v Speaker 1>the experience of the most miserable of all conditions in

0:51:35.160 --> 0:51:37.640
<v Speaker 1>the world that we always find in it something to

0:51:37.719 --> 0:51:40.560
<v Speaker 1>comfort ourselves from and to set in the description of

0:51:40.600 --> 0:51:43.440
<v Speaker 1>good and evil. On the credit side of the account,

0:51:44.120 --> 0:51:46.520
<v Speaker 1>Boone also describes in some detail the way he and

0:51:46.640 --> 0:51:51.320
<v Speaker 1>his brother Squire struggled in the wilderness, threatened by Indians, loneliness,

0:51:51.360 --> 0:51:55.120
<v Speaker 1>the unknown, and then, like Crusoe, he will turn from

0:51:55.239 --> 0:52:00.560
<v Speaker 1>narrative to philosophical observation. Thus, situated many hundred miles from

0:52:00.560 --> 0:52:03.759
<v Speaker 1>our families in the Howling wilderness, I believe you have

0:52:03.960 --> 0:52:08.640
<v Speaker 1>equally enjoyed the happiness we experience. I often observed my brother.

0:52:09.080 --> 0:52:13.920
<v Speaker 1>You see how little nature requires to be satisfied. Philson

0:52:13.960 --> 0:52:17.520
<v Speaker 1>and Boone understood, as did the Foe, that even an

0:52:17.520 --> 0:52:21.120
<v Speaker 1>adventure story had to make a moral point. Besides many

0:52:21.200 --> 0:52:26.840
<v Speaker 1>parallels and technical details about survival, landscape, solitude, their similarities

0:52:26.880 --> 0:52:34.960
<v Speaker 1>in the passages of meditation. M M. It's super interesting

0:52:35.040 --> 0:52:38.200
<v Speaker 1>to know that humans respond in predictable ways. Two stories

0:52:38.239 --> 0:52:42.120
<v Speaker 1>told in the right way, whether conscious or unconscious. Boone

0:52:42.280 --> 0:52:46.000
<v Speaker 1>and his biographer knew this, and they made their narrative

0:52:46.120 --> 0:52:49.440
<v Speaker 1>like one of the best selling stories of the time period.

0:52:49.880 --> 0:52:55.239
<v Speaker 1>That's some legit branding from the old backwoodsman. I want

0:52:55.280 --> 0:52:59.600
<v Speaker 1>to switch the conversation, however, back to Native Americans, and

0:52:59.719 --> 0:53:04.080
<v Speaker 1>Mr Morgan has some interesting tidbits to share about the

0:53:04.120 --> 0:53:08.480
<v Speaker 1>Boone family and the Native American influence on them, and

0:53:08.520 --> 0:53:14.279
<v Speaker 1>a couple others, and Abraham Lincoln, the grandfather of the

0:53:14.320 --> 0:53:17.680
<v Speaker 1>Great Emancipator, is in this group. Boon also knew the

0:53:17.719 --> 0:53:22.600
<v Speaker 1>Hanks family something, so Abraham Lincoln's grandfather went with Boone

0:53:22.960 --> 0:53:29.600
<v Speaker 1>to Kentucky exactly that second second, big much UH commerce

0:53:30.280 --> 0:53:34.040
<v Speaker 1>communication between the Lincoln family and the Boone family all

0:53:34.080 --> 0:53:37.600
<v Speaker 1>the way back to Pennsylvania and then in Virginia. They've

0:53:37.640 --> 0:53:41.280
<v Speaker 1>known each other for a long time, and UH important

0:53:41.280 --> 0:53:46.320
<v Speaker 1>to remember that, because I think this is very essential

0:53:46.680 --> 0:53:49.680
<v Speaker 1>to understanding Lincoln, that he was a man of the

0:53:49.840 --> 0:53:53.240
<v Speaker 1>of the frontier of the UH, and that his style

0:53:54.239 --> 0:53:59.240
<v Speaker 1>was informed his politics were informed by the way Indian

0:53:59.360 --> 0:54:06.280
<v Speaker 1>chiefs did things. Famous situation Chase, Secretary of State, Sword

0:54:06.719 --> 0:54:10.680
<v Speaker 1>says to the president, Mr President, what is your policy?

0:54:10.719 --> 0:54:13.600
<v Speaker 1>You've got to tell us your policy, and Lincoln says,

0:54:13.760 --> 0:54:17.360
<v Speaker 1>my policy is to have no policy. This is exactly

0:54:17.440 --> 0:54:21.240
<v Speaker 1>the way Indian chiefs the last moment they wouldn't wouldn't

0:54:21.280 --> 0:54:23.560
<v Speaker 1>tell you what they wanted to do. He picked that up,

0:54:23.600 --> 0:54:26.439
<v Speaker 1>you know in the backwoods. Uh, that's that's the way

0:54:26.480 --> 0:54:29.239
<v Speaker 1>you act as a leader. There's so many ways that

0:54:29.400 --> 0:54:33.719
<v Speaker 1>Indigenous people, American Indians, influenced American culture, and that's one

0:54:33.760 --> 0:54:36.319
<v Speaker 1>of them. And you just describe a great example of

0:54:36.360 --> 0:54:40.600
<v Speaker 1>how Native American culture has influenced the American identity. Are

0:54:40.600 --> 0:54:43.319
<v Speaker 1>there other examples of that? Well? The most famous is

0:54:43.360 --> 0:54:48.040
<v Speaker 1>the fact that the Articles of Confederation Continental Congress were

0:54:48.200 --> 0:54:53.680
<v Speaker 1>based on the Iroquois Constitution. Revival preaching. A lot of

0:54:53.680 --> 0:54:58.280
<v Speaker 1>the famous revival preachers were part Indian. Oral Roberts was Choctaw,

0:54:58.760 --> 0:55:02.200
<v Speaker 1>for instance. The rats preacher in American history was Decompson.

0:55:02.360 --> 0:55:06.000
<v Speaker 1>He could mesmerize, he'd combined the Indian beliefs the Christian

0:55:06.040 --> 0:55:11.120
<v Speaker 1>beliefs and could sway anybody. And I think American oratory

0:55:11.160 --> 0:55:14.160
<v Speaker 1>of the nineteenth century was really influenced by these great

0:55:14.280 --> 0:55:17.960
<v Speaker 1>Indian leaders. For their their eloquence, the oratory was that

0:55:18.040 --> 0:55:22.720
<v Speaker 1>was their leadership. Sam Houston could didn't move anybody. He'd

0:55:22.719 --> 0:55:25.160
<v Speaker 1>been adopted by the Cherokees. He was at Cherokee. He

0:55:25.239 --> 0:55:33.360
<v Speaker 1>was raven of the Hawassi Cherokees. On the topic of

0:55:33.480 --> 0:55:36.240
<v Speaker 1>Native Americans I want to continue to look at Boone's

0:55:36.239 --> 0:55:41.680
<v Speaker 1>relationship with them and restate that Boone was boom because

0:55:41.840 --> 0:55:46.320
<v Speaker 1>of Native Americans. With no Native Americans, there's no Daniel

0:55:46.360 --> 0:55:50.040
<v Speaker 1>Boone national archetype that we know. They seem to have

0:55:50.200 --> 0:55:53.799
<v Speaker 1>more influence on him than white culture. Here's Steve and

0:55:53.920 --> 0:55:58.840
<v Speaker 1>I discussing this very thing. He had a really unique

0:55:58.920 --> 0:56:03.680
<v Speaker 1>relationship with Indians in that he was you know, at

0:56:03.680 --> 0:56:05.560
<v Speaker 1>one point in his life he was adopted by the

0:56:05.640 --> 0:56:09.920
<v Speaker 1>Shawnee as a son of blackfish, and he always had

0:56:09.960 --> 0:56:14.080
<v Speaker 1>this like seemingly deep respect for Native Americans. But just

0:56:14.160 --> 0:56:17.160
<v Speaker 1>the nature of the times and where he was at

0:56:17.160 --> 0:56:19.400
<v Speaker 1>and what he was doing, he ended up, you know,

0:56:19.760 --> 0:56:22.399
<v Speaker 1>being in conflict with him at different times, many time

0:56:22.440 --> 0:56:24.600
<v Speaker 1>that you have to analyze them. I think you have

0:56:24.680 --> 0:56:28.240
<v Speaker 1>to analyze that aspect of him in context of his peers,

0:56:29.120 --> 0:56:33.640
<v Speaker 1>and compared to his peers, he had a very lenient

0:56:34.160 --> 0:56:36.279
<v Speaker 1>you know, compared to long Hunters or compared to other

0:56:36.360 --> 0:56:39.839
<v Speaker 1>military other soldiers of the time, seems to have had

0:56:39.880 --> 0:56:47.320
<v Speaker 1>a very tolerant, rather progressive view of of relations between

0:56:47.320 --> 0:56:50.840
<v Speaker 1>the Euro Americans in the Native Americans, but at the

0:56:50.880 --> 0:56:54.839
<v Speaker 1>same time did a tremendous amount in some respects, one

0:56:54.880 --> 0:56:57.720
<v Speaker 1>could say like, unintentionally but knowingly did a tremendous amount

0:56:57.760 --> 0:57:00.759
<v Speaker 1>to displace those people, but understood the loss that he

0:57:00.920 --> 0:57:09.480
<v Speaker 1>was inflicting. Dr Taylor Keene is a graduate of Dartmouth

0:57:09.520 --> 0:57:13.360
<v Speaker 1>College and has a couple of graduate degrees from Harvard.

0:57:13.840 --> 0:57:16.640
<v Speaker 1>He's currently a professor in the Business School of Crichton

0:57:16.800 --> 0:57:21.800
<v Speaker 1>University in Omaha, Nebraska. Most relevant for this conversation, he's

0:57:21.800 --> 0:57:25.760
<v Speaker 1>a member of the Cherokee in Omaha Nation. He considers

0:57:25.840 --> 0:57:29.960
<v Speaker 1>himself a citizen historian of the Cherokee Nation. I wanted

0:57:29.960 --> 0:57:33.120
<v Speaker 1>to ask him about the other side of the story

0:57:33.520 --> 0:57:43.120
<v Speaker 1>of the Cumberland Gap. Meet Professor Keen. Professor Keen, I

0:57:43.200 --> 0:57:45.560
<v Speaker 1>want to uh. I want to tell you an experience

0:57:45.600 --> 0:57:50.439
<v Speaker 1>that I had while I was in Kentucky. I took

0:57:50.480 --> 0:57:53.800
<v Speaker 1>my family to the Cumberland Gap. So the Cumberland Gap

0:57:53.880 --> 0:57:59.760
<v Speaker 1>sits on the border of Tennessee, Virginia, and Kentucky. And

0:58:00.800 --> 0:58:03.640
<v Speaker 1>the way that we came through the gap was from

0:58:03.680 --> 0:58:07.320
<v Speaker 1>the Virginia and Tennessee side, So we came from east

0:58:07.360 --> 0:58:11.400
<v Speaker 1>to west. And as I've been thinking about this for

0:58:11.440 --> 0:58:15.200
<v Speaker 1>so long, I was excited and you kind of drive

0:58:15.280 --> 0:58:18.360
<v Speaker 1>on this Highway and you can see the Cumberland Gap.

0:58:18.880 --> 0:58:21.080
<v Speaker 1>And as I'm there with my boys in the car

0:58:21.200 --> 0:58:23.760
<v Speaker 1>and my wife, I'm I'm talking to them about how,

0:58:24.280 --> 0:58:26.600
<v Speaker 1>you know, this is what Daniel Boone saw. This is

0:58:26.640 --> 0:58:30.760
<v Speaker 1>exactly what he saw minus the buildings and civilization when

0:58:30.760 --> 0:58:33.280
<v Speaker 1>he came through here. And we we went through the

0:58:33.280 --> 0:58:38.400
<v Speaker 1>Cumberland Gap from from east to west. We stayed in Middlesboro,

0:58:38.560 --> 0:58:43.080
<v Speaker 1>Kentucky that night and that evening we decided we were

0:58:43.080 --> 0:58:47.000
<v Speaker 1>going to drive back through the gap. And when I

0:58:47.040 --> 0:58:51.880
<v Speaker 1>was driving from west to east, I just had the

0:58:51.960 --> 0:58:57.320
<v Speaker 1>thought that most likely the first humans to ever walk

0:58:57.480 --> 0:59:02.160
<v Speaker 1>through that gap came from west to east. Most likely

0:59:02.600 --> 0:59:05.720
<v Speaker 1>no one really knows where the indigenous people of North

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<v Speaker 1>America exactly came from, but the best evidence right now,

0:59:09.720 --> 0:59:12.240
<v Speaker 1>I would say what they came from the west and

0:59:12.360 --> 0:59:16.280
<v Speaker 1>moved into the east. And it was really kind of

0:59:16.280 --> 0:59:20.840
<v Speaker 1>a moving thought because as a as a American, I'm

0:59:20.880 --> 0:59:25.280
<v Speaker 1>thinking about the European Americans that came from east to west,

0:59:25.720 --> 0:59:29.480
<v Speaker 1>but the indigenous people's they would have found that thousands

0:59:29.520 --> 0:59:33.640
<v Speaker 1>of years before before Americans did, and the French did,

0:59:33.720 --> 0:59:37.360
<v Speaker 1>and the white Europeans, and it was and that's what

0:59:37.480 --> 0:59:40.120
<v Speaker 1>got me on this train of thought of you know,

0:59:40.200 --> 0:59:43.280
<v Speaker 1>we celebrate this path, you know, people passing through this gap,

0:59:43.360 --> 0:59:47.040
<v Speaker 1>but for the indigenous people of this country, of this continent,

0:59:48.640 --> 0:59:52.880
<v Speaker 1>it wasn't something necessarily to be celebrated. And that's why

0:59:52.880 --> 0:59:55.760
<v Speaker 1>I wanted to talk to you. I just wanted to

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<v Speaker 1>get your your perspective and just talk about ultimately the

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<v Speaker 1>impact of of Europeans coming through the Cumberland Gap and

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<v Speaker 1>then just settling the rest of North America. I think

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<v Speaker 1>that's a fantastic intro um. And that's the big question,

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<v Speaker 1>is it not? How long ago we're the first humans

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<v Speaker 1>to see that? And that's a mind mind boggling question

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<v Speaker 1>for sure. The theory to which you are indicating is

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<v Speaker 1>the bearing straight theory. Correct, there's a couple of them

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<v Speaker 1>I here of, but that has an indelible impact on Americans.

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<v Speaker 1>Perceptions of indigenous peoples are ancient Cherokee stories. Um say

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<v Speaker 1>that we come from an island in the east, meaning

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<v Speaker 1>the Atlantic, and that we were on a island that

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<v Speaker 1>had volcanoes and big turtles. That's actually a very important

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<v Speaker 1>part of Cherokee cosmology, those those turtles. But that makes

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<v Speaker 1>it sound like it's somewhere around the Galapa Ghost or

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<v Speaker 1>something like that. And then our stories say that that

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<v Speaker 1>that was where we had massive temples and an an

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<v Speaker 1>earlier golden age that eventually water overcame the island and

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<v Speaker 1>we had to flee, and that's where our stories of

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<v Speaker 1>Grandmother Spider carried our one ember from our one great fire,

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<v Speaker 1>and that we migrated into what would be South America.

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<v Speaker 1>And the Cherokee is the only tribe that utilize blow

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<v Speaker 1>dart guns as hunting weapons as well as double walled basketry.

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<v Speaker 1>And so that's uh an imprint of our time in

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<v Speaker 1>South America. And then that we migrated up over the

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<v Speaker 1>Great Old Man, which is the Mississippi River, and then

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<v Speaker 1>eventually found ourselves up near the Synecas, because that's our

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<v Speaker 1>most closely related tribal groups. And uh, eventually we were

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<v Speaker 1>forced down south into what is more often than not

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<v Speaker 1>viewed as you know, the Cherokee homelands, but you know,

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<v Speaker 1>we were probably immigrants to that area as well. You

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<v Speaker 1>can look to the other five civilized tribes, the Creeks

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<v Speaker 1>and the Choctaws and the Chickasaws, and and uh and

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<v Speaker 1>the Seminoles, and that was that was their homeland. But

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<v Speaker 1>Cherokee certainly occupied it. The question is for how long.

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<v Speaker 1>So when we're talking about things like the Cumberland Gap,

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<v Speaker 1>it h time as a continuum makes it really really messy,

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<v Speaker 1>regardless of who discovered that, and of course will will

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<v Speaker 1>never know. Um, most Americans would cite that of his

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<v Speaker 1>Daniel Boone, who val signs. I think indigenous people's had

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<v Speaker 1>a bigger influence on on Daniel Boone and other frontiersman

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<v Speaker 1>than um what is more popularly recognized. And little things

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<v Speaker 1>like him basing the turkey with his own juices and

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<v Speaker 1>something that you know, we as Americans just take for commonplace.

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<v Speaker 1>But um, I was probably you know, thousands year old

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<v Speaker 1>indigenous practice with you know, with those those great birds

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<v Speaker 1>that have been here for a very long time, very

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<v Speaker 1>very important in tribal cultures. Talk to me about the

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<v Speaker 1>long term, like high level overview of what happened, what

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<v Speaker 1>that started to the indigenous people when when white Europeans

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<v Speaker 1>came through that gap. Well it's um, there's one aspect

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<v Speaker 1>of Indigenous history in the Americas that you can't get around.

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<v Speaker 1>That's the issue of smallpox and disease, primarily smallpox. However

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<v Speaker 1>it got here many scholars would theorize that it came

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<v Speaker 1>from the Spanish and probably the Spanish conquistadors, and whether

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<v Speaker 1>or not it came directly from human contact or dogs

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<v Speaker 1>or horses. Of course, in these days we all understand

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<v Speaker 1>the basics of a pandemic. It doesn't doesn't matter how

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<v Speaker 1>it got here. What does matter was the impact on

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<v Speaker 1>indigenous peoples without exception, across all of the America's whether

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<v Speaker 1>that's what is now Canada and the United States, Central America,

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<v Speaker 1>South America, the indigenous peoples were decimated by smallpox. Most

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<v Speaker 1>conservative estimates are around seventy but the bulk of the

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<v Speaker 1>data that we do have is eight five to ninety

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<v Speaker 1>five decimation death rates from smallpox. And so we have

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<v Speaker 1>these fascinating documented encounters with indigenous peoples from say the

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<v Speaker 1>Spanish conquistadors and massive numbers tribal peoples in the Amazon

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<v Speaker 1>Meso America. You can pick your conquistador and follow each story,

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<v Speaker 1>but the stories pretty much the same. They were outnumbered

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<v Speaker 1>in many cases, pushed back, repelled or defeated, came back

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<v Speaker 1>with large armies a few years later and found everyone

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<v Speaker 1>gone m hm. And so it's that's that's the story.

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<v Speaker 1>Worried that. I think is so hard for people to

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<v Speaker 1>get their minds wrapped around. Think of your closest friends

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<v Speaker 1>and family and there's only five of you left. So

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<v Speaker 1>it at the least it, you know, could only have

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<v Speaker 1>detrimentally impacted tribal people's, whether that's a base of head

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<v Speaker 1>men and warriors, which is crucial at such times, or

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<v Speaker 1>than the knowledge of agricultural life ways. Uh, of the

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<v Speaker 1>knowledge was gone. So in many cases we were kind

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<v Speaker 1>of faced with almost a cultural amnesia. And so you know,

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<v Speaker 1>if you were a child that survived that, no longer

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<v Speaker 1>do you have of those teachers and storytellers. You have

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<v Speaker 1>five and they have five percent of what was left.

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<v Speaker 1>So you have this huge gap and made it an

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<v Speaker 1>easy story for Euro Americans coming to America to view

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<v Speaker 1>it as a vast wilderness when in reality, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>it's been populated for over ten thousand years for sure,

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<v Speaker 1>and arguably twenty to thirty thousand years, so there there

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<v Speaker 1>was no wilderness. There was only land in the animals

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<v Speaker 1>and whether one knew them or not. Yeah, I'd look

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<v Speaker 1>at things like the Cumberland Gap and I think easy

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<v Speaker 1>ten thousand years, maybe fifteen, and if we go into

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<v Speaker 1>the number of generations of people that is, it's just

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<v Speaker 1>mind boggling when we think of American history just at

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<v Speaker 1>a surface level, you think of wars with indigenous people

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<v Speaker 1>that would have killed Native Americans. I mean, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>musket balls and whatnot, But really that that's not the culprit.

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<v Speaker 1>That's not the main culprit. The main culprit was disease.

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<v Speaker 1>This hidden, this hidden warfare that came in just from contact,

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<v Speaker 1>which is just really such a bizarre thing when you

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<v Speaker 1>think about it, because how how Yeah, I don't know,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, I'm sure there's science behind how These white

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<v Speaker 1>Europeans were coming from tightly grouped, dwelling places of people,

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<v Speaker 1>so disease was spread around, and these indigenous people were

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<v Speaker 1>living these healthy lives out in the wild, so they

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<v Speaker 1>didn't have disease. That's the biggest irony because nearly all

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<v Speaker 1>of these pandemics, as it were, smallpox, etcetera, all came

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<v Speaker 1>from domesticated animals. So smallpox is a derivation of cow pox,

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<v Speaker 1>and that's why there was a greater immunity towards it

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<v Speaker 1>with European populations. They were certainly not immune. When you

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<v Speaker 1>dig deep into American history. You see the impact on

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<v Speaker 1>even on the founding fathers themselves. You know, just a

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<v Speaker 1>personal question, Professor Keane, Like, I mean you can tell

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<v Speaker 1>from me doing a podcast series on Daniel Boone, this

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<v Speaker 1>is a man that, like I want to celebrate. You see,

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<v Speaker 1>inside the research, Boone was just a figurehead. He was

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<v Speaker 1>just an archetype for for what Americans did. He was

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<v Speaker 1>just the one that we kind of picked to be

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<v Speaker 1>our heroes. So we're not necessarily picking on Boone, but like,

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<v Speaker 1>how do how do you feel when we celebrate somebody

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<v Speaker 1>like Boone? I mean, but you're an American as well. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean it's so long past, but what are your

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<v Speaker 1>personal thoughts on that. I've just always found it fascinating.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, first of all, I can I consider myself

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<v Speaker 1>a patriot, and I love our country, and I understand

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<v Speaker 1>why all cultures need heroes. And so you talked a

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<v Speaker 1>lot about branding and archetypes, and of course that's all

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<v Speaker 1>stuff in our in our field of business. So I

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<v Speaker 1>understand that, and so I acknowledge that he was an icon.

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<v Speaker 1>He was an archetype of that frontiersman. But I also

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<v Speaker 1>feel like there should be in history indigenous people's that

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<v Speaker 1>he worked with, learned from spent time hunting with that

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<v Speaker 1>should also be those types of heroes. And we don't

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<v Speaker 1>know who those are, but guaranteed they were there. He

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<v Speaker 1>did have a relationship with my tribe, the Cherokees. He

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<v Speaker 1>did have a relationship with the Shawnees. I'm just glad

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<v Speaker 1>that podcasts like yours today bring those aspects of history

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<v Speaker 1>back up, because it only adds to the rich, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>tapestry of really what what made those individuals people to survive?

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<v Speaker 1>What an incredible perspective from Professor Keene. I want to

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<v Speaker 1>go back to Mr Morgan and hear what he has

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<v Speaker 1>to say about historical revision. I figured he's got some

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<v Speaker 1>insight in modern times people have They go back into

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<v Speaker 1>history and they find faults with people based upon things

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<v Speaker 1>that we now know were egregious things like slavery, like people.

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<v Speaker 1>We now know worldwide that this was a terrible thing.

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<v Speaker 1>This is a this is a scar on humanity that

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<v Speaker 1>we've we've been a part of this, but it but

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<v Speaker 1>it just doesn't seem fair to go back and say

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<v Speaker 1>that every human that ever was involved in that in

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<v Speaker 1>any way was an evil person. And at the same

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<v Speaker 1>time I'm I'm talking about Boon and and want to

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<v Speaker 1>give him credit for all these things, but we know

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<v Speaker 1>there was this irony inside of his life for things

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<v Speaker 1>that were done to Native Americans. And you know, we

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<v Speaker 1>said that he owned a slave, and not a whole

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<v Speaker 1>lot is known about that. Can you speak to that,

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<v Speaker 1>just kind of like your personal thoughts on how we

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<v Speaker 1>can deal with that. Well, Historical revisionism is the fashion

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<v Speaker 1>now and people want to impose on the past the

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<v Speaker 1>values and the judgments of the present, and we should

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<v Speaker 1>keep that in mind, you know, our ideals and our

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<v Speaker 1>ethics as we look at historical figures. But we said

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<v Speaker 1>also be tolerant because of all human beings, and we

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<v Speaker 1>all make mistakes, and in the future some historian, maybe

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<v Speaker 1>looking at us, will so do you also, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>want to be more flexible and looking at these figures

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<v Speaker 1>and not only see what they did wrong, but to

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<v Speaker 1>see what they did right. And in the case of Boon,

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<v Speaker 1>to remember why he's important. I mean, there's a reason

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<v Speaker 1>he's so important in American culture and in fact in

1:11:28.120 --> 1:11:32.320
<v Speaker 1>world culture. We should have it both ways. I think

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<v Speaker 1>we should remember that Daniel Boone, believe it or not,

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<v Speaker 1>raises a Quaker actually had slaves at least at one point,

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<v Speaker 1>and we should remember that we tend as human beings

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<v Speaker 1>two act the way other people are acting in a

1:11:50.000 --> 1:11:55.160
<v Speaker 1>culture that probably at that time it's it's seemed okay

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<v Speaker 1>because everybody was doing it. To realize that to remember

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<v Speaker 1>that almost Jefferson owned slaves, but did he also of

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<v Speaker 1>hard slavery the strange paradox to remember that Boon did

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<v Speaker 1>other things. It wasn't just owning a slave, right, So

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<v Speaker 1>it's it's possible. What you're what I'm hearing you say

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<v Speaker 1>is that it's very possible for someone to and this

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<v Speaker 1>seems so contrary to what we here happening in society today,

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<v Speaker 1>but it is possible for someone to have parts of

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<v Speaker 1>their life that are very honorable and noble and then

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<v Speaker 1>maybe have one section that wasn't great, and that one

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<v Speaker 1>section doesn't cancel out the honorable and noble. I don't

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<v Speaker 1>think we should look at people's lives just over one issue.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, you've got to look at take the thing

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<v Speaker 1>all around in a way and try to get some

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<v Speaker 1>understanding of them as a human being with many facets

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<v Speaker 1>at the same time, and keep in mind the values

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<v Speaker 1>of the President. Of course that a historian is looking

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<v Speaker 1>at things through the lens of the present always and

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<v Speaker 1>through their own biases and values. But you can't be

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<v Speaker 1>much of a historian or a biographer unless you're able

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<v Speaker 1>to also see things through the lens of that time.

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<v Speaker 1>Otherwise you will be so limited in your approach. You

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<v Speaker 1>have to have this sympathetic imagination or empathetic imagination, so

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<v Speaker 1>you can try to find out how those people saw things.

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<v Speaker 1>How did the world look to Rebecca Boon two Michael A.

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<v Speaker 1>Stoner to Simon Kenton? I mean, what were they after?

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<v Speaker 1>What are they trying to do? Of course you can't

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<v Speaker 1>do that perfectly, but the point of historical writing is

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<v Speaker 1>to try to imagine what this world was like, what

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<v Speaker 1>had have been like to have Kentucky there? And we

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<v Speaker 1>can say, oh, they destroyed the game, they bought slavery

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<v Speaker 1>into Kentucky. What was Michael Stoner? What was Boon thinking

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<v Speaker 1>of at that time? And they were probably think of

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<v Speaker 1>this great paradise, this thing available, this thing there. I

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<v Speaker 1>can go there, I can I can become a part

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<v Speaker 1>of it. We cannot judge in our own time what

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<v Speaker 1>Land meant to these scotch Irish immigrants who never had

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<v Speaker 1>a foot of land. They could keep. What that meant

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<v Speaker 1>to you, you know, to be able to hunt, to

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<v Speaker 1>be able to own weapons, to have this unlimited continent

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<v Speaker 1>ahead of you. And of course they did things we

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<v Speaker 1>don't approve of, especially to the Indians. They weren't going

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<v Speaker 1>to let Indians stand in the way of this, this

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<v Speaker 1>you know, new world they were trying to build. So

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<v Speaker 1>they were far from perfect people, but they also didn't

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<v Speaker 1>wonderful things and created a sense of a new country,

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<v Speaker 1>a new civilization, historical relativism. I think it's something we

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<v Speaker 1>shouldn't carry too far. I'm hat a bit of a

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<v Speaker 1>loss while gathering my thoughts on this episode. We really

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<v Speaker 1>didn't cover much of Boone's life in part one. We

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<v Speaker 1>made it from his birth to his mid thirties, but

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<v Speaker 1>we're still here in his mid thirties. We dedicated this

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<v Speaker 1>entire time to the Cumberland Gap because of its significance

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<v Speaker 1>on Boon, Indigenous people, and America. Man. I love Daniel

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<v Speaker 1>Boone and I intend to celebrate him. In most parts

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<v Speaker 1>of his life. Boone's passing through the Cumberland Gap was

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<v Speaker 1>truly a physical feat, romanticized and cherished by backwoodsman like myself,

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<v Speaker 1>but it was also deeply metaphorical for America. I liked

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<v Speaker 1>the tension between man and nature, a narrow mountain pass

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<v Speaker 1>and this rugged dude duking it out. But I only

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<v Speaker 1>love it because Boone taught us to love it. It's

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<v Speaker 1>the story we identify with, the one we were born with,

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<v Speaker 1>and that version ridiculously embodies Western thought even in its telling.

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<v Speaker 1>Indigenous people didn't view their lives in conflict with nature.

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<v Speaker 1>They were simply part of it. I'm speculating, but perhaps

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<v Speaker 1>the Indigenous view wouldn't see humans passing through the gap

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<v Speaker 1>as a fight against nature, but rather like the current

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<v Speaker 1>of a flooding river that couldn't be held back. The

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<v Speaker 1>one thing that we know for certain as we look

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<v Speaker 1>at human history is that civilizations rise and fall, and

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<v Speaker 1>very seldom is it just I suspect these are the

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<v Speaker 1>treacherous waters will have to weigh through on this side

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<v Speaker 1>of mortality. Folks, thanks for listening to this episode. You

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<v Speaker 1>can hear me and the crew distill this down next

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<v Speaker 1>week on the Bear Grease Render Podcast, And after that

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<v Speaker 1>we'll put out the third part of our series on

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<v Speaker 1>Daniel Boone and we'll cover some more ground in his life.

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<v Speaker 1>If you've enjoyed this, share it with a buddy. Thanks

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<v Speaker 1>a ton back because baby farmy caress you all for

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<v Speaker 1>Back the Cabary Gap