WEBVTT - Classic Music Saved Me with Wynonna Judd

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<v Speaker 2>We had no neighbors, we had no TV, no the telephone.

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<v Speaker 2>If it hadn't been for the guitar, I honestly don't

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<v Speaker 2>know what I would have done with my life, and

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<v Speaker 2>it saved me.

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<v Speaker 1>This podcast is called Music Saved Me, and on each

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<v Speaker 1>episode we'll look at a musician, will delve into their story,

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<v Speaker 1>their deep connection to music. We'll talk with their fans everyday,

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<v Speaker 1>people with their own story to tell me about how

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<v Speaker 1>music has saved them in challenging times. I'm Lynn Hoffman,

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<v Speaker 1>your host for the Music Saved Me podcast. I'm honored

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<v Speaker 1>to take you on the journey of musicians and their

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<v Speaker 1>fans who can say that music saved them On this

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<v Speaker 1>episode of Music Saved Me. Our guest is one of

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<v Speaker 1>the most respected and awarded musmusicians in music. She has

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<v Speaker 1>had nineteen number one singles, including those of the Jets,

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<v Speaker 1>making her one of the best selling country artists of

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<v Speaker 1>all time. Now, when you can reduce a person's name

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<v Speaker 1>to just one word that tells you something of their stature,

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<v Speaker 1>you'll learn more of the character and resilience of Why Nona.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you so much for coming on the show. Let's

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<v Speaker 1>get right into it. Tell us why is music so

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<v Speaker 1>important to you?

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<v Speaker 2>Wow, that is quite a question right out of the gate.

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<v Speaker 1>Thanks.

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<v Speaker 2>My name is my known Ellen Judd. I was born

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<v Speaker 2>Christina Claisimonela in nineteen sixty four, and I started playing

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<v Speaker 2>guitar when I was eight years old. I think out

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<v Speaker 2>of loneliness and feeling very different in my family. I

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<v Speaker 2>didn't feel like I belonged anywhere. I was a misfit,

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<v Speaker 2>and I think music saved my life in so many

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<v Speaker 2>ways that I still feel that today. I started playing

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<v Speaker 2>music because we lived in the middle of nowhere. My

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<v Speaker 2>mother had a thing about living out in the country.

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<v Speaker 2>We had no neighbors, we had no TV, no telephone.

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<v Speaker 2>If it hadn't been for the guitar, I honestly don't

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<v Speaker 2>know what I would have done with my life, and

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<v Speaker 2>it saved me.

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<v Speaker 1>So it sounds like you really knew at a young

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<v Speaker 1>age why music was so important to you.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, it was, Joni Mitchell. Yes, nineteen. Somewhere around nineteen

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<v Speaker 2>seventy one or nineteen seventy two, I discovered Joni Mitchell,

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<v Speaker 2>and I learned every word. I learned every note. I

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<v Speaker 2>played the guitar and people would ask me to play

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<v Speaker 2>music at parties and family get togethers, and I became

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<v Speaker 2>known as the girl with the guitar.

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<v Speaker 1>So why did Joni Mitchell's music speak to you, do

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<v Speaker 1>you think?

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<v Speaker 2>I think because I was so lonesome and her voice

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<v Speaker 2>was so comforting to me. It was like someone in

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<v Speaker 2>my family speaking to me. I just felt this personal

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<v Speaker 2>connection with it. And to this day, Joni is one

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<v Speaker 2>of my favorite heroes of all time, and I met

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<v Speaker 2>her recently. We became bonded for life, and she literally

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<v Speaker 2>saved my life. I don't know again what would have

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<v Speaker 2>happened to me if it hadn't been for music. I

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<v Speaker 2>would have either probably been incarcerated or not alive. I

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<v Speaker 2>was a bit of a wild child in terms of

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<v Speaker 2>spirit not doing illegal activity, but I was definitely the

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<v Speaker 2>emotional one in the family and I had I really

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<v Speaker 2>felt like I had nowhere to go because I didn't

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<v Speaker 2>feel understood and I didn't feel like I fit in anywhere,

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<v Speaker 2>and music gave me a place to belong.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, a sense of belonging is so important, especially when

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<v Speaker 1>you're young. Were there any other musicians or artists that

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<v Speaker 1>really resonated with you at that time.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, Bonnie Rait and Linda Ronstatt, and Emmy Lou Harris,

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<v Speaker 2>any woman who had been through hell and sang about it.

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<v Speaker 2>I was drawn to them. Aretha's voice is one of

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<v Speaker 2>the first voices that I remember being attacked too. In

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<v Speaker 2>a primal way. I was taken by her voice. It

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<v Speaker 2>just took me somewhere, not of this world. And the

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<v Speaker 2>women really spoke to me more so than anyone because

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<v Speaker 2>of the fact that I was so young and becoming

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<v Speaker 2>a young woman myself. I was drawn to Linda Ronscatt.

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<v Speaker 2>She was beautiful, the way she sang her songs, it

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<v Speaker 2>was like power, of.

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<v Speaker 1>Course for you, especially someone growing up so isolated. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>this had to have deepened your appreciation even further for music.

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<v Speaker 2>To the point where I didn't know what I was

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<v Speaker 2>going to do with my life. If I wasn't going

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<v Speaker 2>to be in music, I didn't want to be here.

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<v Speaker 2>And it was that deep was I did really well

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<v Speaker 2>in school and I was a good kid. I just

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<v Speaker 2>felt again I was so spiritually defined by the music,

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<v Speaker 2>and the music swept me away, and it took me.

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<v Speaker 2>It took me. I was fourteen years old in Marin

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<v Speaker 2>County outside of San Francisco, where I just got Bonnie

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<v Speaker 2>Rait and I just went way, way deep into Bonnie

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<v Speaker 2>and she saved my life.

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<v Speaker 1>So as you further developed your career and became a songwriter,

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<v Speaker 1>how did that deepen your love of music?

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<v Speaker 2>I think when you're born poor and you have so little,

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<v Speaker 2>you dream really big. And I would literally be in

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<v Speaker 2>the wilderness. We had no TV, no telephone, and I

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<v Speaker 2>would literally sit on the front porch and play my

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<v Speaker 2>guitar and I would well be watching, for instance, the

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<v Speaker 2>sun go down, and I wrote a song called Lazy

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<v Speaker 2>Country Evening, and I would just sit there and strum

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<v Speaker 2>the guitar or something to do. And if it wasn't

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<v Speaker 2>for that, I don't know what would have happened. Again,

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<v Speaker 2>because I was so defined by the notes that I

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<v Speaker 2>was singing as well as the notes I was playing

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<v Speaker 2>that it gave me an identity, and songwriting became a

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<v Speaker 2>way out of the reality of being with a single

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<v Speaker 2>parent on welfare. We're talking food stamps. We had so little,

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<v Speaker 2>we raised a garden and we wrote songs about our pets.

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<v Speaker 2>I remember writing a song about one of our cats

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<v Speaker 2>and thinking what I thought about it was a natural progression.

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<v Speaker 1>Well as a cat lover. Thank you. So writing songs

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<v Speaker 1>is a very personal thing. Did you keep you know,

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<v Speaker 1>with everything going on in your life at that time too,

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<v Speaker 1>did you keep writing those songs in private or did

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<v Speaker 1>you share it with the world.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh.

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<v Speaker 2>I never thought of sharing it with the world. It

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<v Speaker 2>was such a personal thing. It's almost like if you

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<v Speaker 2>keep a diary, you know, you think about that and

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<v Speaker 2>you have a lock on the diary. I remember having

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<v Speaker 2>a diary and with the lock. Yeah, it was very personal.

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<v Speaker 2>It was just a way for me an event. My

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<v Speaker 2>mother is very high spirited, she's a perfectionist. She's very strict.

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<v Speaker 2>Actually and I are very very different. Even when I

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<v Speaker 2>was little, I knew that we were very different from

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<v Speaker 2>each other, and I felt very lonely. I was a

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<v Speaker 2>girl that had a lot of spirit, and I didn't

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<v Speaker 2>know what to do with that spirit. So I wrote songs.

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<v Speaker 2>But the songs to me were so personal that I

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<v Speaker 2>wasn't going to share my diary with anybody.

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<v Speaker 1>I know that's going to be one of the hardest

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<v Speaker 1>things to do as a songwriter, is to share your songs.

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<v Speaker 1>Why have you chosen to be so transparent about the

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<v Speaker 1>trials and tribulations in your life?

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<v Speaker 2>That is a great question. I think it's who I am.

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<v Speaker 2>I've been this way my whole life. My mom said

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<v Speaker 2>I was not a good liar, and she said that

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<v Speaker 2>I always told on myself. And I think it's because

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<v Speaker 2>of my grandmother. My grandmother raised me with the sense

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<v Speaker 2>of you know, the whole thing of grandparents have a

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<v Speaker 2>way of guilty and shaming you into the reality of

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<v Speaker 2>telling on yourself and getting right with God. And I

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<v Speaker 2>think it had to do with that. And I think

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<v Speaker 2>I've been this way my whole life. And look, I

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<v Speaker 2>was eighteen years old when I made it, and the

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<v Speaker 2>fans were my family then and they are today. I

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<v Speaker 2>spend more time with the fans and I do most

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<v Speaker 2>of my family. And I think they allowed me to

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<v Speaker 2>be who I am in such a way that it

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<v Speaker 2>gave me permission to tell the truth.

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<v Speaker 3>You see.

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<v Speaker 1>It's that honesty and authenticity that connects why Nonah so

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<v Speaker 1>beautifully with all her fans. Check this out she.

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<v Speaker 3>Has an inspirational voice and her relationships and it brings

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<v Speaker 3>that out in the songs and the way she sings.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, you can tell it comes from the soul.

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<v Speaker 1>So why Noah? Music has always been a huge force

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<v Speaker 1>that has guided you through your life. Besides music, what

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<v Speaker 1>else guides you in life?

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<v Speaker 2>Wow? I'm currently looking at my baby girl. I have

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<v Speaker 2>a granddaughter. Her name is Khalia. Oh, and she looks

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<v Speaker 2>at me, and she looks right through me. You know

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<v Speaker 2>how kids look right through you? Yes, and they give

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<v Speaker 2>you a sense of hope. She's definitely very high on

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<v Speaker 2>my list of priority and the things I think about

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<v Speaker 2>the most, and how to be a good grandmother, that's one.

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<v Speaker 2>My animals they keep me honest because they don't give

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<v Speaker 2>a crap. Or sometimes they do give a crap and

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<v Speaker 2>you have to clean it up. I have animals. I

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<v Speaker 2>have forty animals here on the farm. Wow. We raise

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<v Speaker 2>a garden that's about as real as it gets. The

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<v Speaker 2>dirt heaps me honest, and the farm keeps me hoping

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<v Speaker 2>because when you grow things on the farm, it gives

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<v Speaker 2>you perspective that you don't get in the city.

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<v Speaker 1>That is true. What is your view on the power

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<v Speaker 1>of music and religion, or the power of music fused

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<v Speaker 1>with spirituality.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, to me, it's spirituality. I think I was raised

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<v Speaker 2>with the religion and I ran from it when I

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<v Speaker 2>was eighteen years old. I was raised very strict Baptist,

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<v Speaker 2>and I don't know that God is that strict in

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<v Speaker 2>terms of the religion part of it. So to me,

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<v Speaker 2>it's spirituality. There's religion and then spirituality. I think the

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<v Speaker 2>spirituality comes from opening yourself up so deeply to the

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<v Speaker 2>music and it just brings out something that you can't

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<v Speaker 2>get anywhere else. You know, you can't buy this stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>I know that show business the use of today, think

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<v Speaker 2>that it's a lot more, you know, available, but sometimes

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<v Speaker 2>you have to get really humble to do your best work.

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<v Speaker 2>I think the best work comes from this tour, for instance,

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<v Speaker 2>because it breaks me. It literally opens me wide open.

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<v Speaker 2>When I'm on stage and I'm singing to thousands of

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<v Speaker 2>fans who are singing back to me so loudly that

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<v Speaker 2>I literally have to take a physical step backwards because

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<v Speaker 2>it knocks me over and something happens in that moment

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<v Speaker 2>because it's so much bigger than yourself. You know, you

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<v Speaker 2>can't take credit for it because it's happening in spite

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<v Speaker 2>of yourself. You might be the starter of it, but

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<v Speaker 2>it certainly goes somewhere that you're not in control of,

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<v Speaker 2>and it just makes you go, WHOA, I am not

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<v Speaker 2>in control after all? I thought I was, but I'm not.

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<v Speaker 2>That's pretty humbling.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, sure is. Do you visualize your fans and particular

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<v Speaker 1>struggles that you know they may be dealing with more so.

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<v Speaker 2>Than ever before. I've always been a visionary. I was

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<v Speaker 2>born with a gifting that has allowed me to visualize,

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<v Speaker 2>and I take very very I take it very seriously.

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<v Speaker 2>If it wasn't for visualization, I don't know that I

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<v Speaker 2>would be here today. Because there are times when I

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<v Speaker 2>feel absolutely like I can't do something and I will

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<v Speaker 2>close my eyes. I did it on the airplane the

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<v Speaker 2>other day, back from Mexico. I was doing a show

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<v Speaker 2>with Brandy Carlisle, and I was on the airplane and

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<v Speaker 2>I was thinking about this tour, and I was thinking

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<v Speaker 2>about how vulnerable I feel, and sometimes I don't feel

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<v Speaker 2>like I'm my best I'll be honest. I wake up

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<v Speaker 2>and I don't know that I'm feeling as secure or

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<v Speaker 2>as capable, and all of a sudden, I'll just visualize

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<v Speaker 2>myself on the stage being very capable, and you have

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<v Speaker 2>to do that. It's what carries you through all the

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<v Speaker 2>insecurities because this business is not an easy business. It

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<v Speaker 2>takes you away from really who you are at times.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, the professional part of it and the success

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<v Speaker 2>part of it. You know, that's not really who I

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<v Speaker 2>am authentically. I'm a farm you know. I'm a farmer

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<v Speaker 2>at home. And then I get my clothes packed and

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<v Speaker 2>I put on my undergarments and I spray my hair

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<v Speaker 2>with sparkles, and I go out there and I'm the

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<v Speaker 2>ambassador and I have to visualize otherwise I don't think

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<v Speaker 2>that I would be able to make it on my own.

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<v Speaker 1>It's such a powerful tool. Well, here's another of why

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<v Speaker 1>Nona's fans to prove that amazing connection between artist and

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<v Speaker 1>fan Wanona's music.

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<v Speaker 4>I grew up my mom listened to it on the radio,

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<v Speaker 4>So her music takes me back to like road trips,

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<v Speaker 4>and I don't know, it's just something we would sing

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<v Speaker 4>along to their's song. I know where I'm going, like,

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<v Speaker 4>I don't know. Graduating high school, I definitely thought I did.

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<v Speaker 4>I still have no idea what I'm doing.

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<v Speaker 1>I love that. Oh, I can't believe the time goes

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<v Speaker 1>so fast. Whinona. But in closing, this is specifically talking

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<v Speaker 1>to the musicians and songwriters and future superstars listening to

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<v Speaker 1>you right now on how to stay on their path

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<v Speaker 1>no matter what the challenge. What advice would you give

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<v Speaker 1>to them, especially when it comes to music saving their life.

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<v Speaker 2>I think one of the things that I do that

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<v Speaker 2>helps me is I stay away from social media and

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<v Speaker 2>I don't compare myself to other people because that's really

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<v Speaker 2>easy to do, and when I compare myself to other people,

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<v Speaker 2>I get very, very very discouraged. I would say also

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<v Speaker 2>too that if you play an instrument, which always helps me.

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<v Speaker 2>Playing guitar is literally part of my body. It's just

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<v Speaker 2>I've been doing it for fifty years. I've been playing

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<v Speaker 2>guitar for fifty years. I would say, write songs, because

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<v Speaker 2>that's really about as honest as you can get. I

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<v Speaker 2>would say, get really honest with yourself and ask yourself

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<v Speaker 2>what is it that you want? You know, do you

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<v Speaker 2>want to be famous? And if it's that, that's going

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<v Speaker 2>to be quite a struggle because that changes like the weather.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, the same part comes and goes. I would say,

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<v Speaker 2>find somewhere authentic, whether it's church or singing in clubs.

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<v Speaker 2>If you want to get a band together and just

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<v Speaker 2>play music, play wherever you can, whether it's a county

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<v Speaker 2>fair or you know, on your street. I always tell

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<v Speaker 2>people sing and play as much as possible. And show up.

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<v Speaker 2>That's one of my biggest things is showing up even

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<v Speaker 2>at the worst day. Is I show up and I

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<v Speaker 2>just go from where my gut takes me. I would say, also,

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<v Speaker 2>following your gut, that's a huge thing for me. I

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<v Speaker 2>say yes and no. I go into a room and

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<v Speaker 2>I literally close my eyes and I sit down and

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<v Speaker 2>I ask myself, is this something that you really want

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<v Speaker 2>to do? Does it make sense? And I would say,

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<v Speaker 2>listen to your gut more, and let's don't let the

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<v Speaker 2>world define you. Never let anyone tell you who you are.

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<v Speaker 1>Gosh, that is so true.

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<v Speaker 2>Never.

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<v Speaker 1>My mom always used to say, don't ever let anyone

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<v Speaker 1>make you question your own integrity. Kind of close, but

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<v Speaker 1>not exactly what you said, but similar mine. And thank

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<v Speaker 1>you so much. It's been such a pleasure having you.

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<v Speaker 1>If there's a takeaway here for you musicians out there,

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<v Speaker 1>remember show up, play, play, play and listen to your gut.

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<v Speaker 1>Whona Judd, a portrait in resilience, authenticity, transparency, sharing her

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<v Speaker 1>bond with her audience on this episode of Music Safety.

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<v Speaker 1>Thanks for joining us, I'm Lin Hoffman.