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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grease.

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Speaker 2: Why won't she go away? I'm talking about convicted killer

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Speaker 2: Jody Arius Oh, convicted in the brutal stab and death

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Speaker 2: of her lover Travis Alexander, stabbing him twenty nine to

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Speaker 2: thirty one times. There's an argument over that because there

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Speaker 2: were so many stab wounds they began to overlap each other,

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Speaker 2: and it's like stabbing Jillo. You can't really tell how

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Speaker 2: many times somebody's been stabbed when they've been stabbed that

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Speaker 2: many times, and then kept it off by shooting him

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Speaker 2: in the head, leaving her lover to decompose in his

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Speaker 2: own shower. Why even after the two had broken up,

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Speaker 2: she travels across many states in secret to have a

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Speaker 2: marathon sex session with him to convince him not to

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Speaker 2: take the new woman he's dating on a trip to Cankun. Well,

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Speaker 2: the sex marathon didn't work and he didn't cancel the

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Speaker 2: date to can Kun. So what's the girl to do?

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Speaker 3: Kill him as she did?

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Speaker 2: I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories. I want to

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Speaker 2: thank you for being with us. He has Jody Arius

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Speaker 2: will not go away, and now she's set to launch,

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Speaker 2: a of course, dramatic bid to be freed from prison

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Speaker 2: after lover Travis. Alexander's brutal slang arias behind bars is

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Speaker 2: hinted at a dramatic new legal strategy hoping to get

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Speaker 2: her toe in the door to freedom after she was

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Speaker 2: sentenced to life behind bars in a gruesome murder. Of course,

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Speaker 2: she has her own substack, oh her and top mom.

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Speaker 2: In a disturbing new post on the substack, she writes,

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Speaker 2: one of her top priorities is pursuing r post conviction relief.

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Speaker 2: It's a legal maneuver that allows inmates to challenge their

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Speaker 2: convictions or sentences based on new evidence or constitutional violations. Okay, lady,

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Speaker 2: bring it on, because we have got an avalanche of

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Speaker 2: evidence that you murdered Travis. Joining me right now along

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Speaker 2: with Ashley Wilcott, juvenile judge, lawyer, founder child Crimewatch dot com,

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Speaker 2: doctor Brian Russell, host of investigation discoveries, hit series Fatal Vows,

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Speaker 2: renowned New York psychologist Karen Stark. Alexis Terreschuk joining me

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Speaker 2: from RadarOnline dot com. Alexis why won't she go away?

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Speaker 4: Because she can't. She craves the attention of everybody. She

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Speaker 4: says that she wants to just do good behind bars.

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Speaker 4: But she doesn't. She still runs a Twitter account. She

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Speaker 4: still writes to her fans she cannot live outside of

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Speaker 2: Let's go back in the courtroom. What happened to Alexis?

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Speaker 4: Jody Arius created a circus in the courtroom when she

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Speaker 4: took the stand. Everybody was stunned. I was, I know

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Speaker 4: you were. And she was on there for days spinning

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Speaker 4: her lies about Travis Alexander.

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Speaker 2: Alexis, what can you tell me about Travis Alexander in life?

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Speaker 3: What was he like?

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Speaker 4: Travis was the nicest guy. He was a Mormon, the

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Speaker 4: religion that he had committed himself to as he was older,

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Speaker 4: and he was full of life. He had so many friends.

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Speaker 4: He was a respected business guy. He was the one

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Speaker 4: who had the whole house and had all the roommates.

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Speaker 4: So everybody depended on Travis take care of them, and

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Speaker 4: that's what he did. He took care of everybody. He

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Speaker 4: was funny, he was adventurous. He was always going on

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Speaker 4: trips and in fact, when he and Jody started dating,

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Speaker 4: they went on a live of trips together, fun trips

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Speaker 4: to waterfalls and to San Diego, lots of places. He

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Speaker 4: was an up and coming entrepreneur. He had his own

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Speaker 4: he was running his own business through the organization, and

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Speaker 4: he was really climbing up in the company because people

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Speaker 4: loved him. He had a quick smile. His sister just

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Speaker 4: said he was the nicest guy you would ever meet.

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Speaker 4: Everybody that met him said he was so nice. And

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Speaker 4: he was also struggling with his religion. He wanted to

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Speaker 4: follow Lieutenant s sterctly, but he also, like any other

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Speaker 4: young person in their late twenties early thirties, you know,

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Speaker 4: he wanted to have sex with his girlfriend.

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Speaker 2: It's interesting and I'm going to go to Kieran Stark

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Speaker 2: on this in a moment. But all of his friends

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Speaker 2: and family that knew her did not want him to

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Speaker 2: be with her. And I've questioned them about that repeatedly,

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Speaker 2: saying what was it about her? And they all said,

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Speaker 2: I don't know. It was just a freaky, hinky feeling.

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Speaker 2: She was just we just thought she was weird and crazy.

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Speaker 2: There was just something about her. Doctor Brian Russell, She's

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Speaker 2: many people believe beautiful. She got a beautiful face. Many

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Speaker 2: people writing her and sending her money behind bars. The

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Speaker 3: At some point he wanted to break it off.

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Speaker 2: He said things like he did not think they would

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Speaker 2: She would have none of it. So she finds out

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Speaker 2: he's going on a trip to Cozaml with another woman,

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Speaker 2: and that just throws her into a fit. Drives literally

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Speaker 2: cans in her trunk so she doesn't have to stop

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Speaker 2: to use her credit card or be on a surveillance

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Speaker 2: video at a seven to eleven, gets to his home.

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Speaker 2: They have crazy fetish sex all day, complete with photos which.

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Speaker 3: Were played over and over and over at trial.

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Speaker 2: And then he still refuses to cancel the Cosaml date,

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Speaker 2: and when that happens, she stabs him twenty nine times

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Speaker 2: decompose in the shower. Help me out, Dr Brian Russell.

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Speaker 5: I'm glad you just gave that rundown, Nancy, because you know,

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Speaker 5: if she said she'd killed him while he was beating her,

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Speaker 5: there'd be a self defense argument, but physical evidence from

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Speaker 5: the scene clearly suggested that didn't happen that way. I

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Speaker 5: never saw solid evidence that he'd ever beaten her.

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Speaker 3: Let's just look at the facts.

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Speaker 2: As you accurately point out Dr Brian Russell, there were

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Speaker 2: many ways if it were indeed true, which no one

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Speaker 2: but Arias says.

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Speaker 3: It's true. They were broken up.

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Speaker 2: She had moved away, hours away.

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Speaker 3: They were not living together. They were never married, they never.

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Speaker 2: Had children, nothing. They had a fling. He broke up,

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Speaker 2: she moved away, scorned, she left. She was living somewhere else,

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Speaker 2: had a brandy place to live, had a car, a job,

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Speaker 2: the works, and they'd been apart for a while. As

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Speaker 2: a matter of fact, I'm reading directly from the Aufe

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Speaker 2: Topsy report. Travis Alexander's jugular vein his throat was slit,

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Speaker 2: the common carotid artery, the trachea had been slashed. He

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Speaker 2: had defensive wounds on his hand. He may have even

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Speaker 2: been dead at the time she shot him in the head. Also,

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Speaker 2: the crime scene revealed that when he first was stabbed,

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Speaker 2: And we know this because of the blood evidence. There

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Speaker 2: of fact, it's really not even contested how he died.

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Speaker 2: Listened to Jody Arius at trial admitting she slit his throat.

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Speaker 6: Would you agree that you're the person who actually slid

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Speaker 6: mister Alexander's throat from ear to ear?

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Speaker 2: Yes, to Ashley Wilcott, veteran trial lawyer and judge, it

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Speaker 2: gives me no pleasure to replay the rendition of how

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Speaker 2: Chavick Alexander was murdered. He didn't see it coming, He

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Speaker 2: had no idea what was about to happen. But we

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Speaker 2: also know Ashley that at the beginning she claimed that

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Speaker 2: she wasn't there, she had nothing to do with it

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Speaker 2: at all. Then when evidence turned up that she had

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Speaker 2: been there, she actually claimed that Ninja's showed up all

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Speaker 2: dressed in black and for no reason burst into the home,

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Speaker 2: stole nothing. She ran and saved her own life, but

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Speaker 2: they killed Travis and left like shadows in the night.

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Speaker 3: I mean, Ashley, really right?

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Speaker 7: Really?

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Speaker 8: So she was lying from the gig go obviously with

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Speaker 8: the story that she initially told with the ninjas. But

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Speaker 8: here's what I love about our justice system. During this trial,

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Speaker 8: it went from story to story to story to story.

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Speaker 8: But as you just played, finally on the stand under oath,

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Speaker 8: she admits she slit his throat period.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and just like this and just like that, and

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Speaker 2: then shot him. Cleaned up the scene as best she could,

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Speaker 2: put a lot of clothes in the washer, including her

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Speaker 2: digital camera. Hello, and on the camera to Karen Stark

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Speaker 2: were actual photos. She had been taking sex photos the

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Speaker 2: whole day. But forget about that. On the digital camera

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Speaker 2: we think accidentally taken during Travis's murder. Karen Starr, New

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Speaker 2: York psychologist, what about that This is.

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Speaker 9: A person who really is not only a pathological liar,

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Speaker 9: but has absolutely no guilt about anything that happened and

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Speaker 10: It was happening. Now, even if it was accidental somehow

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Speaker 10: she knew that she should wash things up, clean them up,

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Speaker 10: despite the ninjas or whatever she was saying, And she

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Speaker 10: very clearly is a psychopath who committed this murder. There

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Speaker 10: is no doubt in my mind that she knew exactly

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Speaker 10: with rage and jealousy and her inability to let go.

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Speaker 2: Of this man. Alexistereschuk, writeronline dot com. You also covered

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Speaker 2: the case every single day. I was in the courtroom

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Speaker 2: is overwhelming. It places her there at the time of

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Speaker 11: Right up to and after she murders him. There are

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Speaker 11: pictures of him naked in the shower and got the

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Speaker 11: These were not secret photos that he didn't know are

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Speaker 11: can tell that they were taken just moments, literally less

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Speaker 11: into her frenzy, her spree killing spree, and stabbed him repeatedly.

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Speaker 1: And the thing was, she.

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Speaker 11: Also shot him, but the bullet casing was found on

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Speaker 11: top of the blood. So what the evidence was presented

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Speaker 11: didn't even take the camera with her. She's stuck it

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Speaker 1: She left it there. Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.

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Speaker 2: In the last Days, we learned convict the Killer Jody

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Speaker 2: Arius is set to launch a dramatic bid to be

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Speaker 2: freed after being convicted and her lover Travis Alexander's horrible,

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Speaker 2: horrible murder. It's called a PCR Post Conviction Relief petition,

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Speaker 2: possibly her most serious legal action since the end of

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Speaker 2: her trial and definitely a Hail Mary, a last ditch

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Speaker 2: try to overturn her conviction. Did I leave out the

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Speaker 2: part that his throat was cut so deeply the life

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Speaker 2: almost reached his spinal cord, much like Nicole Brown's areas

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Speaker 2: changed her story so many times. She ultimately went with

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Speaker 2: self defense after claiming she wasn't there, then claiming that

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Speaker 2: and she miraculously got away to she did it, but

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Speaker 2: it was in self defense. Okay. She was sentenced to

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Speaker 2: this in her substact post, Arias claims she's been quote

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Speaker 2: Arias to Alexis Treschuk, Alexis, exactly where is Jody Arias housed?

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Speaker 4: So she is in the Perryville Prison. She has not

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Speaker 4: It is a very standard twelve nine seven cell I

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Speaker 4: She cannot have any movement, and she's had a review

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Speaker 4: nothing at all. She's still in a maximum security prison.

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Speaker 4: She does not have a lot of freedom or free

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Speaker 4: She has been working in the library, who works over

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Speaker 2: Alex says, what can you tell me about Jody Arius's

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Speaker 3: Is it true?

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Speaker 2: She has dozens of love letters a day. Did nobody

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Speaker 1: What men is right mind.

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Speaker 2: Would seek out Jody Arius? What do they want to

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Speaker 4: These people out there, these men are just bamboozled by

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Speaker 4: She has all the things that she buys from the

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Speaker 4: and they believe that she's innocent and that she's going

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Speaker 2: How do you know she's getting all these love letters?

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Speaker 4: The prison has confirmed to us that she receives multiple letters,

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Speaker 2: Are these men sending her money? Are they insane?

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Speaker 4: Yes, people send her so much money they send her

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Speaker 4: They have to send it through the prison system, but

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Speaker 2: Okay, So if they're sending her money, alexis Teresha, what

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Speaker 1: I mean, what's there to spend it on? Behind bars?

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Speaker 4: She is spending all of her money at the commissary

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Speaker 4: on a variety of things. But the thing that struck

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Speaker 4: Judais told us that she learned when she was in

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Speaker 4: Behind bars, she shops relentlessly at the canteen. She buys

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Speaker 4: him sardines, she buys Dorito's, she buys pudding, she buys desserts,

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Speaker 4: treat her stomach problems. She buys pretzels, cookies, crackers, any

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Speaker 2: Jody is buying it Alexis I understand that she's treated

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Speaker 4: She is quite popular behind bars. She is the one

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Speaker 2: Is it true that she has privileges to get on

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Speaker 4: She does go the library. She actually works in the library.

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Speaker 4: She is a library aid and she has said that

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Speaker 4: she's asked people. She started book drives behind bars to

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Speaker 4: But the prison is very strict about what you can get,

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Speaker 4: She does not have access to the internet, but she

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Speaker 4: She could write as many as she wants, and she

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Speaker 2: Unless Terreschuk, what can you tell me about claims that

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Speaker 4: Jody Arius does not get any special privileges behind bars,

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Speaker 4: but because she cannot behave. In fact, she was disciplined

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Speaker 4: I didn't know that that word was a bad word.

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Speaker 4: I just looked it up in the airban dictionary. So

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Speaker 4: she was just fun for months on end. She lost

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Speaker 2: I understand that Jodie Arius perceives herself to be quite

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Speaker 1: Is that true?

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Speaker 2: Let me say, is that still true? Because I've seen

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Speaker 2: some of it. To me, it looks like she's just

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Speaker 3: You tell me.

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Speaker 4: Jody Arius was drawing so many pieces of art, and

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Speaker 4: like Travis Alexander's sister, which was so disrespectful. But since

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Speaker 4: she has been in this prison, she's not allowed to

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Speaker 4: so if people wanted to go check that out. Jodyarius

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Speaker 2: Disgusting to doctor Bethany Marshall. Psycho Alan's joining me out

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Speaker 2: of la doctor Bethany behind bars. She's somewhat of a celebrity.

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Speaker 2: She gets hundreds of love letters, people put money in

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Speaker 2: her commissary account. She quote draws quote in other words,

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Speaker 2: Quite the life. Doctor Bethany explained, how is she still

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Speaker 12: She's highly manipulative.

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Speaker 13: You know, I was thinking about borderline personality disorder as

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Speaker 13: you were talking to an Alexis. She definitely has borderline

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Speaker 13: viewed in extremes of idealization and devaluation, alternating between overinvolvement

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Speaker 12: To the devaluation.

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Speaker 13: The idealization is when he was dating her, right when

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Speaker 12: A vacation with another woman.

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Speaker 13: Then it went from the idealization to the devaluation, and

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Speaker 2: Alexis Terrestchuck investigative reporter and journalist Alexis, You and I

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Speaker 2: death penalty phase. For those who don't know about Jody

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Speaker 2: Travis Alexander when.

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Speaker 1: He tried to break up with her.

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Speaker 11: She plotted his murder, lured him in, you know, went

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Speaker 11: to buy a bunch of things that she was going

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Speaker 2: Shit a minute though, Alexis, hold on, hold on, you're

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Speaker 2: skipping some good stuff. Because when she travels, you know,

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Speaker 2: I don't know how many hundreds of miles to go

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Speaker 4: So she rented a car in northern California, about sixty

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Speaker 4: She first, they gave her a red car. She said,

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Speaker 2: Now, I don't recall that he knew she was coming.

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Speaker 11: They'd had a couple of phone calls. She had called

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Speaker 1: She was very devious.

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Speaker 11: She knew exactly what to do to try to cover

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Speaker 2: What do you think was the motive of Lexis and why.

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Speaker 4: Jody Arius was jealous that Travis Alexander had moved on.

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Speaker 4: He didn't want to date her anymore, He did not

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Speaker 4: going on a trip down to Cancun with another girl,

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Speaker 4: and it was a company trip and she had worked

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Speaker 4: filled with rage because he wouldn't be her boyfriend and

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Speaker 4: lied about it because he was a Mormon, and he

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Speaker 2: She literally left Travis Alexander's home with blood on her hands, Okay,

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Speaker 2: blood on her hands, drives for hours to get to

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Speaker 2: her next boyfriend and literally hops on top of him

436
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Speaker 2: and straddles him. Wow, she didn't waste any time.

437
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Speaker 4: She did not at all. Twenty seven hours in the

438
00:25:15,040 --> 00:25:18,960
Speaker 4: car whatever it was with her gun that she had

439
00:25:19,000 --> 00:25:22,560
Speaker 4: brought the police. Her parents, her grandparents who she lived with,

440
00:25:22,720 --> 00:25:24,840
Speaker 4: had had a break in, and surprisingly the only thing

441
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Speaker 4: stolen was the gun, which is the same caliber of

442
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Speaker 4: gun that was used to shoe.

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Speaker 2: Travis Alexis the fact that they were part of the

444
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Speaker 2: Mormon religion seemed to h It was like a curiosity

445
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Speaker 2: to so many people. Why is that?

446
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Speaker 11: I think it's because the Mormon religion is not as

447
00:25:42,560 --> 00:25:48,760
Speaker 11: familiar to people across the country as other religions, the Christianity, and.

448
00:25:48,800 --> 00:25:52,480
Speaker 2: So people tend to have thought of it as a cult.

449
00:25:52,560 --> 00:25:54,680
Speaker 11: And so they saw that there was this what many

450
00:25:54,720 --> 00:25:57,480
Speaker 11: people called, you know, ritualistic murder, which it wasn't. It

451
00:25:57,520 --> 00:26:00,320
Speaker 11: was just Jody going crazy and murdering somebody, and they

452
00:26:00,400 --> 00:26:01,480
Speaker 11: tied it into this church.

453
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Speaker 1: But also because there were visual.

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Speaker 12: Images of it.

455
00:26:04,040 --> 00:26:07,640
Speaker 11: When Jody met Travis, he was a very well respected

456
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Speaker 11: member of the church, and he brought her into the

457
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Speaker 11: church and she was baptized and became a member of

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Speaker 11: the church. So there was a photograph of her baptism,

459
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Speaker 11: and so when people have visual images of things they

460
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Speaker 11: can see, it makes it so much more compelling. And

461
00:26:19,800 --> 00:26:23,639
Speaker 11: then she dragged in the fact that after she got baptized,

462
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Speaker 11: I think she said that she and Travis had sex.

463
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Speaker 11: And I'm not sure what kind of sex I'm allowed

464
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Speaker 11: to say on your show, So.

465
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Speaker 2: Let's just say not the regular sex, and in Sun

466
00:26:32,840 --> 00:26:34,440
Speaker 2: States are still considered sodomy.

467
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Speaker 11: Go ahead, So so it just made it so much

468
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Speaker 11: more selectious. And Travis was such an upstanding member of

469
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Speaker 11: this church, and people loved him and he was such

470
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Speaker 11: a good person, and so she joined the church only

471
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Speaker 11: because of him, and in fact, after she was convicted,

472
00:26:50,760 --> 00:26:51,800
Speaker 11: church kicked her out.

473
00:26:51,640 --> 00:26:53,960
Speaker 12: Excommunicated her and said they did not want her in.

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Speaker 2: Unle Sisterschuk, investigative reporter with RadarOnline dot Com. I understand

475
00:26:59,200 --> 00:27:05,760
Speaker 2: that the murderer is mounting an appeal. What's that all about?

476
00:27:06,119 --> 00:27:09,480
Speaker 4: So, yes, she has filed an appeal, She has her attorneys,

477
00:27:09,640 --> 00:27:14,760
Speaker 4: and she has a slew of complaints. She says she

478
00:27:14,920 --> 00:27:22,120
Speaker 4: blames her first attorney, Kirk Nurmi, for inappropriate actions with her,

479
00:27:22,720 --> 00:27:25,359
Speaker 4: saying that's the way that he spoke to the jury

480
00:27:25,400 --> 00:27:28,399
Speaker 4: about her, saying at the closing arguments nine out of

481
00:27:28,440 --> 00:27:30,639
Speaker 4: ten days, I hate Jodiris too, But just because you

482
00:27:30,640 --> 00:27:33,399
Speaker 4: hate her doesn't mean she's guilty. And she said that

483
00:27:33,560 --> 00:27:37,360
Speaker 4: the fact that he wrote a book compromised her legal advice,

484
00:27:37,400 --> 00:27:40,840
Speaker 4: and she wants the appeals court to overturn her conviction

485
00:27:40,960 --> 00:27:43,840
Speaker 4: because she has a bad lawyer. She had a bad lawyer.

486
00:27:44,280 --> 00:27:49,240
Speaker 4: She also says that the prosecutor acted inappropriately, which I

487
00:27:49,320 --> 00:27:52,560
Speaker 4: believe he's been investigated in no charges or actions have

488
00:27:52,600 --> 00:27:55,760
Speaker 4: been taken against him, and she just wants every season

489
00:27:55,760 --> 00:27:56,959
Speaker 4: of the books to get out of the fact that

490
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Speaker 4: she not only murdered her boyfriend but confessed to it

491
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Speaker 4: on the stand.

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Speaker 2: Take a listen to what the jury heard.

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Speaker 6: And you're doing all of this too, And according to

494
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Speaker 6: your version of events, you're doing this that as individital

495
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Speaker 6: after you have already.

496
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Speaker 2: Shocking right, he is.

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Speaker 12: Correct, I believe.

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Speaker 13: No.

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Speaker 6: Do you remember previously talking to us about how he

500
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Speaker 6: was coming at you and he was this horrible man

501
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Speaker 6: with his mean face. Do you remember telling me that, Yes,

502
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Speaker 6: I didn't say he was okay, thank you for correcting me.

503
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Speaker 6: But do you remember telling us that he was a

504
00:28:42,840 --> 00:28:43,280
Speaker 6: mean man?

505
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Speaker 12: Not today, well, previously.

506
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Speaker 6: Previously you did say that he was a meaning correct.

507
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Speaker 1: I think I did, yes, And on this.

508
00:28:53,880 --> 00:28:57,840
Speaker 6: Particular occasion, you told us that he was cursing at you, right,

509
00:28:59,280 --> 00:29:03,760
Speaker 6: and that he threw you down right, Yes, that he

510
00:29:03,920 --> 00:29:10,880
Speaker 6: chased you down right. Yes, and this is the individual

511
00:29:10,920 --> 00:29:11,800
Speaker 6: that you shot.

512
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Speaker 2: First, right. I had no if I shot him and

513
00:29:14,680 --> 00:29:16,040
Speaker 2: just feel off.

514
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Speaker 6: The gun went off, right, you could at least sacknoledge that, yes,

515
00:29:22,160 --> 00:29:23,080
Speaker 6: that's something that you did.

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Speaker 14: Hear.

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Speaker 2: Yes.

518
00:29:30,880 --> 00:29:32,840
Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.

519
00:29:37,160 --> 00:29:42,560
Speaker 2: Jody Arias will not go away no matter what she claims,

520
00:29:43,440 --> 00:29:47,560
Speaker 2: she has had her rights violated, and she has resorted

521
00:29:47,600 --> 00:29:51,760
Speaker 2: to a PCR post conviction relief petition. This although she

522
00:29:51,800 --> 00:29:56,480
Speaker 2: has already attempted to appeal her verdict, trying to get

523
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Speaker 2: her conviction reversed overturned. Are you the prosecutor had egregious

524
00:30:03,160 --> 00:30:06,360
Speaker 2: and self promoting misconduct that tanned the trial? Well, nobody

525
00:30:06,440 --> 00:30:10,760
Speaker 2: agreed with that. The appellate court there in Arizona, the

526
00:30:10,840 --> 00:30:15,360
Speaker 2: Arizona Court of Appeals cited quote overwhelming evidence of guilt.

527
00:30:16,280 --> 00:30:21,280
Speaker 2: Then the Arizona Supreme Court declined to review the Court

528
00:30:21,280 --> 00:30:27,440
Speaker 2: of Appeals decision. Now Arius is trying to hail Mary,

529
00:30:28,520 --> 00:30:35,040
Speaker 2: convicted of murdering her lover, stabbing him twenty six times,

530
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Speaker 2: leaving his dead body slumped over in the shower, shooting

531
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Speaker 2: him in the head. I remember the shocking scenario that

532
00:30:43,840 --> 00:30:49,880
Speaker 2: was proven by physical evidence unrefuted, that he was standing

533
00:30:49,960 --> 00:30:54,600
Speaker 2: at his bathroom mirror and blood was dripping down and

534
00:30:54,640 --> 00:31:00,480
Speaker 2: he saw himself dying. I remember it like it was

535
00:31:00,640 --> 00:31:04,880
Speaker 2: yesterday for me. It's a memory for his family, it's

536
00:31:04,920 --> 00:31:06,800
Speaker 2: never ending pain.

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Speaker 3: Today.

538
00:31:07,840 --> 00:31:11,840
Speaker 2: Our thoughts with the family of Travis Alexander and a

539
00:31:11,880 --> 00:31:17,000
Speaker 2: life cut short I think about them so often. How

540
00:31:17,000 --> 00:31:18,560
Speaker 2: are they doing now?

541
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Speaker 4: They are doing well with their lives. They were devastated

542
00:31:21,760 --> 00:31:25,600
Speaker 4: when Travis was killed by Jody and even more crushed

543
00:31:25,840 --> 00:31:28,719
Speaker 4: by the antics that she pulled in the courtroom and

544
00:31:28,760 --> 00:31:31,560
Speaker 4: with all of her interviews and trying to say that

545
00:31:31,640 --> 00:31:34,560
Speaker 4: he was a child molester and really drag him through

546
00:31:34,560 --> 00:31:39,840
Speaker 4: the mud. But they celebrate his life. However, Jody needles

547
00:31:39,880 --> 00:31:42,560
Speaker 4: them relentlessly whenever she has to send them a check,

548
00:31:42,720 --> 00:31:45,760
Speaker 4: a restitution check, it just brings back the reminder of

549
00:31:45,800 --> 00:31:48,040
Speaker 4: how upset they were and how terrible she is. And

550
00:31:48,360 --> 00:31:51,680
Speaker 4: she has this miserable little job where she makes forty

551
00:31:51,680 --> 00:31:53,480
Speaker 4: cents an hour, and so she sends them a five

552
00:31:53,560 --> 00:31:55,880
Speaker 4: hundred dollars check here and there, and it just is

553
00:31:55,920 --> 00:31:57,960
Speaker 4: a reminder of how she is still alive and their

554
00:31:58,000 --> 00:31:59,280
Speaker 4: beloved Travis is not.

555
00:31:59,440 --> 00:32:02,520
Speaker 2: The defense Kirk Nurmi who tried over and over and

556
00:32:02,600 --> 00:32:05,400
Speaker 2: over to get off this case. How is Kirk Nurmi

557
00:32:05,520 --> 00:32:06,040
Speaker 2: doing now.

558
00:32:06,760 --> 00:32:09,520
Speaker 4: Kirk had a tough time after the trial. He was

559
00:32:09,560 --> 00:32:12,520
Speaker 4: diagnosed with cancer and he has said repeatedly he told me,

560
00:32:12,560 --> 00:32:15,360
Speaker 4: I'm sure he told you that he believes working with

561
00:32:15,480 --> 00:32:19,400
Speaker 4: Jody arius exacerbated his cancer caused him to have cancer.

562
00:32:19,480 --> 00:32:22,440
Speaker 4: It was so stressful. He hated her. He felt like

563
00:32:22,520 --> 00:32:24,400
Speaker 4: she was the worst client he's ever had. He did

564
00:32:24,400 --> 00:32:26,840
Speaker 4: try to get off the case, repeatedly begged the judges

565
00:32:26,880 --> 00:32:30,120
Speaker 4: to let them let him go, and he wouldn't. But

566
00:32:30,240 --> 00:32:33,560
Speaker 4: he has said I gave her a great defense. She

567
00:32:33,640 --> 00:32:37,200
Speaker 4: admitted she killed her boyfriend, she murdered him, and I

568
00:32:37,280 --> 00:32:40,240
Speaker 4: protected her from the death penalty. So she should be

569
00:32:40,320 --> 00:32:42,120
Speaker 4: very thankful because she would have gotten the death penalty

570
00:32:42,080 --> 00:32:42,760
Speaker 4: if it wasn't for me.

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00:32:43,080 --> 00:32:46,360
Speaker 2: I was thinking about all those phone sex tapes. Take

572
00:32:46,400 --> 00:32:47,080
Speaker 2: a listen to this.

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Speaker 14: You are right.

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00:32:52,480 --> 00:32:56,560
Speaker 4: Oh, and we took a bath together. That was That

575
00:32:56,680 --> 00:32:59,960
Speaker 4: was surreal as honestly, and I think, I mean maybe

576
00:33:00,160 --> 00:33:02,880
Speaker 4: candlelight and the bubbles all had something to do with it.

577
00:33:02,920 --> 00:33:08,240
Speaker 4: But you are amazing. You made me, seriously, you made

578
00:33:08,280 --> 00:33:09,640
Speaker 4: me feel like a goddess.

579
00:33:10,040 --> 00:33:11,920
Speaker 2: Like I wasn't saying you were like.

580
00:33:12,280 --> 00:33:13,600
Speaker 12: Worshiping me, but you were.

581
00:33:14,400 --> 00:33:15,400
Speaker 7: You made me feel like.

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Speaker 9: I was the most freaking beautiful woman on the whole planet.

583
00:33:21,440 --> 00:33:24,280
Speaker 7: Like I so felt like I was the goddess.

584
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Speaker 4: And so aside from all.

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Speaker 9: Those warmsuzzy feelings, but like it was, it was so

586
00:33:30,480 --> 00:33:33,320
Speaker 9: sexy and it was so hot and oh.

587
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Speaker 14: Gosh, oh well that I wasn't hard to freaking maybe

588
00:33:42,400 --> 00:33:47,280
Speaker 14: you were hot? You you are serious because I don't

589
00:33:47,280 --> 00:33:50,479
Speaker 14: want right because I touched your stuff.

590
00:33:52,640 --> 00:33:53,800
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm already.

591
00:33:55,520 --> 00:33:56,200
Speaker 6: I just started.

592
00:33:59,080 --> 00:34:04,800
Speaker 14: I'm gonna tell you to treat like I'm going to

593
00:34:04,880 --> 00:34:06,000
Speaker 14: tell you to a treating.

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Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, that is so debasing.

595
00:34:12,800 --> 00:34:14,560
Speaker 4: I like it.

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00:34:14,760 --> 00:34:20,560
Speaker 2: Joining me a very special guest, Kirk Nurmi, the Jody

597
00:34:20,719 --> 00:34:24,600
Speaker 2: Arias defense lawyer and author of a best seller, Trapped

598
00:34:24,800 --> 00:34:28,520
Speaker 2: with Miss Arias. You can find it on Amazon dot com.

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Speaker 2: You know, Kirk, a sign of a calculated attack on you,

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00:34:32,520 --> 00:34:37,000
Speaker 2: after you and the rest of your team had sat

601
00:34:37,040 --> 00:34:41,040
Speaker 2: there and given your blood, sweat and tears during that trial,

602
00:34:41,239 --> 00:34:44,759
Speaker 2: just taking so much abuse, not even just Arius, but

603
00:34:45,040 --> 00:34:50,040
Speaker 2: really everyone, the whole public was against you, and to

604
00:34:50,120 --> 00:34:54,200
Speaker 2: this day you believe it contributed to you get in cancer.

605
00:34:54,239 --> 00:34:58,359
Speaker 2: You know, that's what malignant means, mal worry bad that

606
00:34:58,360 --> 00:35:02,279
Speaker 2: that's what malignant means. Do you really believe.

607
00:35:01,960 --> 00:35:02,680
Speaker 3: That, Kirk?

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00:35:03,440 --> 00:35:05,560
Speaker 7: I do. I mean, obviously there's no way to prove

609
00:35:05,600 --> 00:35:08,040
Speaker 7: it scientifically, but in my heart, keep in mind, I

610
00:35:08,120 --> 00:35:12,120
Speaker 7: was assigned miss Arius's case in two thousand and nine.

611
00:35:12,760 --> 00:35:17,200
Speaker 7: Thus she was a part of my life against my

612
00:35:17,320 --> 00:35:23,280
Speaker 7: wishes from probably twenty ten to twenty fifteen, and everything

613
00:35:23,320 --> 00:35:26,320
Speaker 7: that went along with defending her, having her attack me

614
00:35:26,480 --> 00:35:32,319
Speaker 7: and interviews things of that nature caused great concern to

615
00:35:32,360 --> 00:35:35,319
Speaker 7: me about my safety and that of my wife. Yes,

616
00:35:35,400 --> 00:35:37,960
Speaker 7: I do. Over those years, I believe that it eventually

617
00:35:37,960 --> 00:35:42,000
Speaker 7: added up, and that's what turned my healthy blood cells

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00:35:42,000 --> 00:35:43,640
Speaker 7: into cancer's tumors.

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Speaker 2: Her tryal turn into an international Barnum and Bailey circus

620
00:35:49,239 --> 00:35:55,439
Speaker 2: where Nurmi was, against his will, elected ringmaster. I want

621
00:35:55,440 --> 00:35:57,759
Speaker 2: to hear what it was like. See, I always saw

622
00:35:57,760 --> 00:36:00,480
Speaker 2: her at a distance, like looking at a terre angela

623
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Speaker 2: in a glass box. I was at a distance, of course,

624
00:36:03,200 --> 00:36:04,880
Speaker 2: except for the time she shot a bird at me

625
00:36:04,920 --> 00:36:05,360
Speaker 2: in court.

626
00:36:06,480 --> 00:36:07,239
Speaker 3: But needless to.

627
00:36:07,239 --> 00:36:09,600
Speaker 2: Say, she wasn't the first and no doubt won't be

628
00:36:09,640 --> 00:36:14,440
Speaker 2: the last. But Kirk, what was it like being with her?

629
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Speaker 2: Why was there such a contentious relationship between you two?

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00:36:18,280 --> 00:36:22,120
Speaker 7: Well, obviously a lot of that is privileged, But you know,

631
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Speaker 7: my job, the way I look at it anyway, is

632
00:36:25,400 --> 00:36:28,680
Speaker 7: a detachment. I'm not there to support what she did.

633
00:36:29,440 --> 00:36:31,600
Speaker 7: I'm not there to I'm just there to help her

634
00:36:31,600 --> 00:36:34,120
Speaker 7: support her story. I'm not there to be her friend,

635
00:36:34,719 --> 00:36:39,120
Speaker 7: and you know that without saying too much, I think

636
00:36:39,200 --> 00:36:40,320
Speaker 7: that speaks volumes.

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00:36:40,400 --> 00:36:42,759
Speaker 3: I'm trying to I'm trying to interpret that.

638
00:36:43,680 --> 00:36:47,880
Speaker 2: In your book, Trapped with miss Arius, you touch on

639
00:36:48,080 --> 00:36:52,200
Speaker 2: so many different topics. What do you think was the

640
00:36:52,239 --> 00:36:53,720
Speaker 2: biggest bombshell in your book?

641
00:36:54,880 --> 00:36:57,600
Speaker 7: I think some of the probably the biggest bombshell was

642
00:36:57,600 --> 00:37:01,640
Speaker 7: talking about that attachment she had in this kind of

643
00:37:01,640 --> 00:37:04,560
Speaker 7: correlates to what I said earlier about her kind of

644
00:37:04,680 --> 00:37:07,080
Speaker 7: at some point in time viewing me as her boyfriend.

645
00:37:07,080 --> 00:37:10,239
Speaker 7: I was the most significant man in her life, and

646
00:37:11,000 --> 00:37:12,719
Speaker 7: I was there to do a job. I was not

647
00:37:12,840 --> 00:37:16,479
Speaker 7: there to be her friend or support in any way

648
00:37:16,520 --> 00:37:19,400
Speaker 7: other than to advocate her case in the courtroom.

649
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Speaker 2: Alex this, what's your take on Jodi Arius?

650
00:37:22,320 --> 00:37:26,239
Speaker 4: Judy Arias is a psychopath? She you know, because she

651
00:37:26,360 --> 00:37:28,239
Speaker 4: spoke about you all the time. I think she even

652
00:37:28,280 --> 00:37:31,279
Speaker 4: one time dragged her finger across her throat like she

653
00:37:31,280 --> 00:37:35,040
Speaker 4: wanted to cut your throat. She has called me personally

654
00:37:35,160 --> 00:37:40,840
Speaker 4: crazy after I wrote stories, literally facts from the prison

655
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Speaker 4: about her, called me obsessed with her. I am not

656
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Speaker 4: obsessed with her. You are not obsessed with her. We

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Speaker 4: are obsessed with getting the truth and justice for people

658
00:37:48,560 --> 00:37:51,759
Speaker 4: that were involved in this case, meaning Travis Alexander. She

659
00:37:52,000 --> 00:37:55,759
Speaker 4: has a huge ego. Even locked up behind bars, the

660
00:37:55,920 --> 00:37:59,680
Speaker 4: world revolves only around Jody Arias. She was a liar,

661
00:38:00,080 --> 00:38:02,680
Speaker 4: the proven liar. She was very sneaking, and she very

662
00:38:02,719 --> 00:38:05,319
Speaker 4: methodically planned Travis Alexander's murder.

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00:38:05,360 --> 00:38:07,400
Speaker 2: Alexis, do you remember the day she shot a bird

664
00:38:07,480 --> 00:38:10,360
Speaker 2: at me in the courtroom. That's just something I will

665
00:38:10,440 --> 00:38:11,120
Speaker 2: never forget.

666
00:38:11,360 --> 00:38:14,319
Speaker 4: I do remember that she turned around and pull her

667
00:38:14,360 --> 00:38:16,880
Speaker 4: middle finger up on her chin. Everybody was done, the

668
00:38:16,880 --> 00:38:20,120
Speaker 4: whole country was done. It was amazing. She has no

669
00:38:20,880 --> 00:38:22,840
Speaker 4: sense of what is right or wrong, and she just

670
00:38:22,880 --> 00:38:26,239
Speaker 4: thought she was wrongly accused of killing her boyfriend. Even

671
00:38:26,239 --> 00:38:27,360
Speaker 4: though she admitted I'll.

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00:38:27,239 --> 00:38:30,200
Speaker 2: Always have our time in court together when she shot

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00:38:30,239 --> 00:38:34,840
Speaker 2: a bird at me, We'll always have Arizona, my happy

674
00:38:34,920 --> 00:38:38,600
Speaker 2: memories of Jody Arius. But you know what, I have

675
00:38:38,640 --> 00:38:41,640
Speaker 2: to say that I've met an American Idol, because Jodi

676
00:38:41,680 --> 00:38:46,480
Speaker 2: Arias did win American idol behind bars. Take a listen,

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00:38:46,640 --> 00:38:53,560
Speaker 2: Oh Holy night, the stars a Bradley shine.

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00:38:53,719 --> 00:38:58,200
Speaker 7: It is a lie mar Dearie.

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00:38:57,440 --> 00:39:03,520
Speaker 2: Fancy Grace, Jody Arius Mary a last ditch attempt at freedom,

680
00:39:03,840 --> 00:39:10,279
Speaker 2: claiming her constitutional rights have been violated. My rights were

681
00:39:10,360 --> 00:39:13,120
Speaker 2: violated when I read this headline that Arius is back

682
00:39:13,239 --> 00:39:18,719
Speaker 2: trying to get out. She is challenging her conviction, and

683
00:39:18,760 --> 00:39:22,480
Speaker 2: she's got plenty of time to study the law. She

684
00:39:22,640 --> 00:39:27,439
Speaker 2: is now a jailhouse, a librarian's aid who spends all

685
00:39:27,520 --> 00:39:31,200
Speaker 2: of her time plotting and scheming ways to get out

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00:39:31,239 --> 00:39:36,400
Speaker 2: of jail. We wait as justice unfolds. Good, my friend,