1 00:00:00,520 --> 00:00:03,680 Speaker 1: You know, as unlikely as an extension is, you still 2 00:00:03,680 --> 00:00:07,320 Speaker 1: don't want to have a sour relationship to start this 3 00:00:07,440 --> 00:00:18,360 Speaker 1: thing off. Welcome into Northside Territory Foul Territory Networks Cubs Podcast. 4 00:00:18,520 --> 00:00:22,600 Speaker 1: I'm Sahadev Sharma with my partner Patrick Mooney, where your 5 00:00:22,600 --> 00:00:29,040 Speaker 1: Cubs beat writers over at the Athletic Patrick, we have arb. 6 00:00:29,960 --> 00:00:33,600 Speaker 1: The arm day has come and gone. As always, the 7 00:00:33,640 --> 00:00:36,720 Speaker 1: Cubs get us that news in such a timely manner, 8 00:00:39,000 --> 00:00:45,200 Speaker 1: but we can news. You know, we had some agreements. 9 00:00:45,280 --> 00:00:49,680 Speaker 1: The news is Kyle Tucker and the Cubs cannot meet 10 00:00:49,840 --> 00:00:53,239 Speaker 1: in the middle. Fifteen million is what the Cubs have 11 00:00:53,320 --> 00:00:56,560 Speaker 1: set their number at. Seventeen point five million is what 12 00:00:56,680 --> 00:00:59,840 Speaker 1: Tucker's representatives have set their number at. This isn't a 13 00:01:00,680 --> 00:01:04,600 Speaker 1: disaster or anything like that. This isn't the worst case scenario. 14 00:01:05,720 --> 00:01:09,760 Speaker 1: It's I think it's that it looks bad optically. It's 15 00:01:10,040 --> 00:01:12,560 Speaker 1: just a mess, like you don't want this and I 16 00:01:12,640 --> 00:01:15,360 Speaker 1: don't like you know this stuff Like in all in 17 00:01:15,400 --> 00:01:18,640 Speaker 1: the great things, this probably won't matter. But you know, 18 00:01:18,800 --> 00:01:23,240 Speaker 1: the Cubs fans are already irritated because post Tucker they 19 00:01:23,280 --> 00:01:28,039 Speaker 1: haven't done much except for shed salary. I'm using air 20 00:01:28,120 --> 00:01:34,440 Speaker 1: quotes for those not watching Woody Bellinger. But you can't 21 00:01:34,440 --> 00:01:37,600 Speaker 1: like these. It just feels like tripping over your own foot, 22 00:01:37,880 --> 00:01:40,559 Speaker 1: like it's what they seem to do this really well. 23 00:01:42,319 --> 00:01:46,360 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think this doesn't impact any sort of like 24 00:01:48,440 --> 00:01:51,760 Speaker 2: long term deal because I don't think there's any expectation 25 00:01:51,880 --> 00:01:53,520 Speaker 2: that they were going to do that, you know what 26 00:01:53,520 --> 00:01:55,280 Speaker 2: I mean. This is not like, oh, this buys the 27 00:01:55,400 --> 00:01:58,520 Speaker 2: more time to figure out long term deal. No, Like 28 00:01:59,040 --> 00:02:03,240 Speaker 2: both sides have pretty clear expectation that he will become 29 00:02:03,240 --> 00:02:07,320 Speaker 2: a free agent after this upcoming season and that's fine. 30 00:02:08,360 --> 00:02:12,520 Speaker 2: And look, I mean, Kyle Tucker's had a great career. 31 00:02:12,680 --> 00:02:15,120 Speaker 2: He hasn't had a single at bat for the Cubs 32 00:02:15,240 --> 00:02:22,200 Speaker 2: and so it's a it's an awkward headline for the Cubs. 33 00:02:23,200 --> 00:02:27,200 Speaker 2: If anything, I think is more just symptomatic of how 34 00:02:28,480 --> 00:02:32,919 Speaker 2: the team is run, you know, with a very analytical 35 00:02:33,160 --> 00:02:36,680 Speaker 2: bottom line approach, which is what a lot of teams do. 36 00:02:36,760 --> 00:02:40,960 Speaker 2: And I will I would say for context, and like 37 00:02:41,320 --> 00:02:45,200 Speaker 2: this may be where like your fans totally zone out 38 00:02:45,240 --> 00:02:46,359 Speaker 2: and I get it. 39 00:02:47,600 --> 00:02:48,240 Speaker 3: There is. 40 00:02:49,960 --> 00:02:54,440 Speaker 2: A strong push from Major League Baseball's Central office, their 41 00:02:54,520 --> 00:02:58,720 Speaker 2: labor relations department to get all thirty teams on the 42 00:02:58,760 --> 00:03:03,000 Speaker 2: same page that it is a very like uniform approach. 43 00:03:04,480 --> 00:03:10,119 Speaker 2: There is this idea that you know, any one settlement 44 00:03:10,240 --> 00:03:18,520 Speaker 2: can impact many future agreements as reference points. But like 45 00:03:18,919 --> 00:03:20,639 Speaker 2: Cubs fans don't really want to get into the weeds 46 00:03:20,639 --> 00:03:24,040 Speaker 2: on all that, right, it's just like figure it out. 47 00:03:25,320 --> 00:03:31,120 Speaker 2: Maybe they will before a hearing. I mean, historically the 48 00:03:31,160 --> 00:03:34,440 Speaker 2: Cubs have become like many clubs. Again, this is a 49 00:03:35,920 --> 00:03:38,440 Speaker 2: kind of a global strategy from MLB of this idea 50 00:03:38,440 --> 00:03:40,120 Speaker 2: of file and trial that if you don't hit a 51 00:03:40,200 --> 00:03:45,760 Speaker 2: number before this deadline going to a hearing. Now, Kyle 52 00:03:45,800 --> 00:03:51,160 Speaker 2: Tuckler is clearly exceptional, so I would imagine that. 53 00:03:53,120 --> 00:03:56,720 Speaker 3: There is some wiggle room there for him in both sides. 54 00:03:57,240 --> 00:04:01,560 Speaker 2: But also like you would think they would have gotten 55 00:04:01,560 --> 00:04:05,440 Speaker 2: to that point before we all had these headlines of 56 00:04:06,320 --> 00:04:10,320 Speaker 2: you know, Tucker Cubs failed to reach agreement or you know, 57 00:04:10,400 --> 00:04:13,440 Speaker 2: Cubs Tucker moving towards arbitration hearing. 58 00:04:13,720 --> 00:04:16,520 Speaker 3: Like, you know, it's certainly. 59 00:04:16,279 --> 00:04:22,159 Speaker 2: An interesting way to you know, promote your annual fan 60 00:04:22,279 --> 00:04:26,160 Speaker 2: convention next weekend to get your Cubs Cubs tickets now, 61 00:04:26,200 --> 00:04:29,800 Speaker 2: but before we like bury them, you know, one phone 62 00:04:29,800 --> 00:04:33,160 Speaker 2: call over the weekend or next week, or they get 63 00:04:33,160 --> 00:04:39,000 Speaker 2: into town it could get resolved. In years past, it 64 00:04:39,080 --> 00:04:41,800 Speaker 2: felt like the deadline was a little bit floating to 65 00:04:41,839 --> 00:04:43,880 Speaker 2: where I think one time we talked to Ian happ 66 00:04:44,320 --> 00:04:47,160 Speaker 2: like a commission agreement and then like an hour later, 67 00:04:47,360 --> 00:04:50,440 Speaker 2: you know, cubs ean have reach agreement. So I wouldn't 68 00:04:50,440 --> 00:04:53,320 Speaker 2: get too worked up about it. It's just it's just odd. 69 00:04:53,360 --> 00:04:54,080 Speaker 2: It's peculiar. 70 00:04:55,360 --> 00:04:58,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, And I was just thinking about this. He must 71 00:04:58,560 --> 00:05:00,920 Speaker 1: how Tucker must not have been this super two guy 72 00:05:01,000 --> 00:05:03,239 Speaker 1: or something, and Blad Junior must have been a super 73 00:05:03,279 --> 00:05:05,880 Speaker 1: two guy because Blad Junior is all the way up 74 00:05:05,880 --> 00:05:10,480 Speaker 1: at twenty eight and Kyle Tucker's only in the fifteen 75 00:05:10,560 --> 00:05:16,240 Speaker 1: to seventeen million, Like that seems significantly, Like just in general, 76 00:05:16,320 --> 00:05:18,800 Speaker 1: that's a steal. Like whatever they settle at, whatever they 77 00:05:18,839 --> 00:05:21,600 Speaker 1: side him at, that's a steal for his production. So 78 00:05:21,640 --> 00:05:24,040 Speaker 1: this is some of this stuff is just kind of silly. 79 00:05:24,120 --> 00:05:29,040 Speaker 1: But you know, they are kind of counting every penny 80 00:05:29,080 --> 00:05:31,280 Speaker 1: in a sense, right, Like they like two and a 81 00:05:31,320 --> 00:05:35,320 Speaker 1: half million matters in a sense one million matters. And 82 00:05:35,360 --> 00:05:39,320 Speaker 1: I think that's what irritates fans as well. They're like, really, 83 00:05:39,520 --> 00:05:43,320 Speaker 1: like this is going to cost like some reliever that 84 00:05:43,640 --> 00:05:46,880 Speaker 1: probably gets dfaide in the middle of the season. That's 85 00:05:46,920 --> 00:05:51,880 Speaker 1: what they're arguing over right now. So again it comes 86 00:05:51,880 --> 00:05:52,560 Speaker 1: down and might. 87 00:05:52,520 --> 00:05:58,160 Speaker 2: Not the difference, might even be smaller because presumably Tucker's 88 00:05:58,200 --> 00:06:03,080 Speaker 2: camp goes high and the club side goes low. 89 00:06:03,640 --> 00:06:06,080 Speaker 1: So I wouldn't even this could be half a million, 90 00:06:06,160 --> 00:06:06,800 Speaker 1: could be it. 91 00:06:06,760 --> 00:06:10,880 Speaker 2: Could be a smaller, smaller spread. That is just kind 92 00:06:10,880 --> 00:06:16,080 Speaker 2: of a guess more than hard information. But yeah, when 93 00:06:16,080 --> 00:06:19,760 Speaker 2: you're talking about kind of the intricacies of the MLB's 94 00:06:19,839 --> 00:06:24,960 Speaker 2: universal arbitration policy and like, you know, different comps, like, 95 00:06:24,960 --> 00:06:27,479 Speaker 2: it's not it's not great, but it's not the end 96 00:06:27,480 --> 00:06:27,720 Speaker 2: of the. 97 00:06:27,640 --> 00:06:30,839 Speaker 1: World either, Yeah, yeah, yeah, And this type of stuff, 98 00:06:30,920 --> 00:06:33,600 Speaker 1: I mean it makes my eyes glaze over. So I 99 00:06:33,640 --> 00:06:38,359 Speaker 1: can't imagine fans that care much about it. So just 100 00:06:38,360 --> 00:06:42,240 Speaker 1: get it done, right, That's that's the bottom line. You know, 101 00:06:42,279 --> 00:06:44,720 Speaker 1: they got they got deals done with everyone else, justin 102 00:06:44,760 --> 00:06:49,320 Speaker 1: Steel obviously the biggest name of the deals that they 103 00:06:49,400 --> 00:06:53,800 Speaker 1: got Pierson and Eli Morgan as well. We're done. Surprisingly, 104 00:06:53,800 --> 00:06:56,480 Speaker 1: Eli Morgan took like that. That news did not come 105 00:06:56,520 --> 00:06:58,279 Speaker 1: out till very late. I was like, what is what 106 00:06:58,360 --> 00:07:01,360 Speaker 1: is happening with Eli Morgan? It's he really like fighting 107 00:07:01,400 --> 00:07:04,479 Speaker 1: over the comes battling with Eli Morgan here. I think 108 00:07:04,480 --> 00:07:08,960 Speaker 1: the news just didn't bleak out. Uh so, so at least, 109 00:07:09,200 --> 00:07:12,200 Speaker 1: you know, no extension. We've talked about steel. No extension 110 00:07:12,200 --> 00:07:15,240 Speaker 1: with Steel. Who knows if if that's on the table 111 00:07:15,640 --> 00:07:19,440 Speaker 1: or discussions will happen over the next month or so. 112 00:07:19,960 --> 00:07:22,840 Speaker 1: Uh but but yeah, other than that, like that's the 113 00:07:23,240 --> 00:07:26,600 Speaker 1: That was the news last night, and it it felt 114 00:07:26,600 --> 00:07:30,280 Speaker 1: like immediately it went negative town, you know what I mean, 115 00:07:30,400 --> 00:07:34,480 Speaker 1: Like the second I saw that on I think you 116 00:07:34,480 --> 00:07:36,360 Speaker 1: you you'd given me a little bit of a heads 117 00:07:36,440 --> 00:07:38,680 Speaker 1: up there, and and then I saw it publicly from 118 00:07:38,680 --> 00:07:42,320 Speaker 1: our friend Jesse Rogers, and it's just was like, oh, 119 00:07:42,480 --> 00:07:46,120 Speaker 1: here we go, here we go. Uh so, so we'll see, 120 00:07:46,160 --> 00:07:48,560 Speaker 1: we'll see if it's like it's not gonna lead to 121 00:07:48,560 --> 00:07:51,320 Speaker 1: bad blood. I think that's the that's the important thing 122 00:07:51,360 --> 00:07:55,080 Speaker 1: that Cubs fans need to kind of understand, even if 123 00:07:55,120 --> 00:07:59,320 Speaker 1: they are upset, uh this isn't something where you need 124 00:07:59,360 --> 00:08:02,680 Speaker 1: to freak out and be like, well, now the relationship 125 00:08:02,760 --> 00:08:07,160 Speaker 1: is already ruined, which I don't. I'm not getting that sense. 126 00:08:07,400 --> 00:08:11,080 Speaker 1: And that's probably the most important thing, because you know, 127 00:08:11,400 --> 00:08:14,400 Speaker 1: as unlikely as an extension is, you still don't want 128 00:08:14,400 --> 00:08:18,960 Speaker 1: to have a sour relationship to start this start this 129 00:08:19,120 --> 00:08:19,640 Speaker 1: thing off. 130 00:08:20,120 --> 00:08:22,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's not like if the Cubs give Tucker 131 00:08:22,360 --> 00:08:25,600 Speaker 2: a bump now, he's going to give them a discount later. 132 00:08:25,800 --> 00:08:32,000 Speaker 2: Like they're all grown ups here. Ultimately, Kyle Tucker Or's 133 00:08:32,080 --> 00:08:36,240 Speaker 2: impression of the Cubs will be shaped by his teammates 134 00:08:36,240 --> 00:08:41,160 Speaker 2: as coaches, his manager, the fans, the city, and ultimately 135 00:08:41,200 --> 00:08:44,679 Speaker 2: what the Cubs offer or do not offer to him 136 00:08:45,320 --> 00:08:47,040 Speaker 2: after this upcoming season. 137 00:08:47,200 --> 00:08:52,280 Speaker 3: Like that will be where the decision is made. 138 00:08:52,480 --> 00:08:54,680 Speaker 2: The Cubs just kind of have to wear it for 139 00:08:54,720 --> 00:08:57,160 Speaker 2: a couple of news cycles and it will be interesting 140 00:08:57,160 --> 00:09:01,880 Speaker 2: to see. Like Tucker, I believe, is scheduled to come 141 00:09:01,920 --> 00:09:03,360 Speaker 2: in for Cubs convention. 142 00:09:04,120 --> 00:09:09,959 Speaker 3: You'd assume that he'll do some sort of media availability there. Uh. 143 00:09:10,080 --> 00:09:14,760 Speaker 3: Jed Hoyer always does multiple availabilities at these Cubs conventions, So. 144 00:09:16,040 --> 00:09:20,080 Speaker 2: There's soon gonna be more arbitration hearing questions by the 145 00:09:20,160 --> 00:09:25,360 Speaker 2: time we get to that point. Uh, stay tuned, because 146 00:09:25,360 --> 00:09:28,199 Speaker 2: that would that would be a nice another nice uh 147 00:09:28,840 --> 00:09:32,080 Speaker 2: you know, kind of cuve your currence there to unveil this, 148 00:09:32,240 --> 00:09:36,040 Speaker 2: you know, superstar player who's been a little bit off 149 00:09:36,080 --> 00:09:39,000 Speaker 2: the radar because the Astros have had so many good players. 150 00:09:39,640 --> 00:09:42,800 Speaker 2: Now he's supposed to be the man, and we're talking 151 00:09:42,840 --> 00:09:43,600 Speaker 2: about arbitration. 152 00:09:44,520 --> 00:09:50,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, talking about arbitration. Uh uh, that that would be 153 00:09:50,640 --> 00:09:53,680 Speaker 1: That would be hilarious if I mean, it's not gonna push, 154 00:09:54,000 --> 00:09:57,520 Speaker 1: it's not gonna push the Sammy Sosa headline, but to 155 00:09:57,640 --> 00:10:00,400 Speaker 1: have that as a you know, secondary headline and after 156 00:10:00,440 --> 00:10:06,160 Speaker 1: Sammy Sosa soa cup, that just be so cub Especially 157 00:10:06,200 --> 00:10:08,440 Speaker 1: this era of Cubs. It's like, come on, man, like 158 00:10:08,600 --> 00:10:12,080 Speaker 1: let's just let's let's move on from this stuff. Uh. 159 00:10:13,400 --> 00:10:16,680 Speaker 1: Obviously Tucker is the big name on the field, big 160 00:10:16,720 --> 00:10:20,280 Speaker 1: acquisition on the field that's supposed to impact this team. 161 00:10:20,679 --> 00:10:24,680 Speaker 1: I wrote a little bit about Tyler Zambro, a new hire. 162 00:10:26,080 --> 00:10:30,000 Speaker 1: He got a pretty I know fans, you know, they 163 00:10:30,240 --> 00:10:32,240 Speaker 1: don't know all the titles and all that stuff and 164 00:10:32,280 --> 00:10:34,920 Speaker 1: may not care, but getting a special assistant title right 165 00:10:34,920 --> 00:10:40,000 Speaker 1: out of the gate is pretty significant. Special assistants often 166 00:10:41,040 --> 00:10:44,600 Speaker 1: have free reign to kind of do what whatever their 167 00:10:44,760 --> 00:10:47,960 Speaker 1: their specific skill set allows them to write, like what 168 00:10:48,040 --> 00:10:48,760 Speaker 1: are you best at? 169 00:10:49,080 --> 00:10:49,760 Speaker 3: Go? 170 00:10:49,760 --> 00:10:53,440 Speaker 1: Go do all these things. It's it's because you don't 171 00:10:53,440 --> 00:10:56,800 Speaker 1: want to give a specific title like that, like player, 172 00:10:56,960 --> 00:10:59,560 Speaker 1: you know X of player development or whatever like that, 173 00:11:00,120 --> 00:11:02,760 Speaker 1: because this person is doing it, has their hands in 174 00:11:02,800 --> 00:11:07,199 Speaker 1: all sorts of different departments, and that's that's what Zombro's 175 00:11:07,240 --> 00:11:11,880 Speaker 1: doing it. You know, I don't know how much of 176 00:11:11,920 --> 00:11:14,080 Speaker 1: an impact he's going to have. I don't want to 177 00:11:16,240 --> 00:11:18,960 Speaker 1: kind of blow this up before he's even been there 178 00:11:19,120 --> 00:11:21,880 Speaker 1: for you know, a few like he's just got here. 179 00:11:22,800 --> 00:11:25,920 Speaker 1: But when you talk to him and you listen to him, 180 00:11:26,000 --> 00:11:29,200 Speaker 1: which I've done a couple of times now, and you 181 00:11:29,400 --> 00:11:32,880 Speaker 1: hear from other people. This is a thirty year old 182 00:11:32,960 --> 00:11:37,080 Speaker 1: former player, very young guy, but very intelligent. Went to 183 00:11:37,320 --> 00:11:41,679 Speaker 1: George Mason, was pre med. I don't know you're you're 184 00:11:41,720 --> 00:11:45,120 Speaker 1: an East coast guy. Have you heard of Governor's School. 185 00:11:47,880 --> 00:11:50,520 Speaker 1: It's a high school. It's like a STEM high school. 186 00:11:50,600 --> 00:11:52,240 Speaker 1: I think it may be well known in that. 187 00:11:52,280 --> 00:11:58,040 Speaker 2: Area South Carolina. Governor's School for Science and Mathematics. 188 00:11:58,160 --> 00:12:01,080 Speaker 1: Okay, South Carolina. Okay, he's he's in DC. Now, I 189 00:12:01,080 --> 00:12:02,600 Speaker 1: think I may have gotten it in my head that 190 00:12:02,640 --> 00:12:05,400 Speaker 1: he's that it was in the DC area. Maybe it 191 00:12:05,480 --> 00:12:10,800 Speaker 1: is something. Okay, so it's yeah. He So he's you know, intelligent, dude. 192 00:12:10,840 --> 00:12:13,800 Speaker 1: He kind of said, like science, physics, all these things 193 00:12:13,880 --> 00:12:16,400 Speaker 1: are just like in his brain constantly. That's how his 194 00:12:16,480 --> 00:12:23,280 Speaker 1: brain works, and in today's game, that's how pitching works. Right, 195 00:12:23,400 --> 00:12:27,120 Speaker 1: Like I know old school scouts don't always love to 196 00:12:27,120 --> 00:12:30,880 Speaker 1: hear this stuff, but that's so important in today's game 197 00:12:31,320 --> 00:12:36,280 Speaker 1: in pitching, in pitching development. And while while he needs 198 00:12:36,440 --> 00:12:39,720 Speaker 1: he's he has high goals, right. He wants to be 199 00:12:39,760 --> 00:12:42,320 Speaker 1: a team president, he wants to be a GM something 200 00:12:42,360 --> 00:12:45,040 Speaker 1: like that. He wants to run baseball ops someday for 201 00:12:45,160 --> 00:12:46,160 Speaker 1: some team. 202 00:12:46,520 --> 00:12:48,520 Speaker 2: So yeah, I thought that was interesting that he kind 203 00:12:48,520 --> 00:12:51,960 Speaker 2: of put that out there right away in his first 204 00:12:52,960 --> 00:12:55,679 Speaker 2: sort of like introduction to Cups fans. 205 00:12:56,280 --> 00:13:01,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, he he's. He definitely isn't shy about what his 206 00:13:01,200 --> 00:13:06,320 Speaker 1: goals are. He doesn't. He doesn't come across as like 207 00:13:07,360 --> 00:13:09,720 Speaker 1: full of himself. Though It's not like he came across 208 00:13:09,760 --> 00:13:12,319 Speaker 1: as like this is what I'm like. He understands he 209 00:13:12,360 --> 00:13:13,720 Speaker 1: has a lot of work to do. He's like to 210 00:13:13,800 --> 00:13:16,120 Speaker 1: do that a I need a lot more experience in 211 00:13:16,160 --> 00:13:19,960 Speaker 1: different areas and be's like, like everyone expects me to 212 00:13:20,080 --> 00:13:23,080 Speaker 1: be impacting this team in player development, I better delivered, 213 00:13:23,400 --> 00:13:26,080 Speaker 1: Like I better I better do a good job of that. 214 00:13:27,240 --> 00:13:29,720 Speaker 1: But it's not just player development that he like he's 215 00:13:29,920 --> 00:13:32,400 Speaker 1: right now is focus his acquisitions because it's the off season. 216 00:13:32,800 --> 00:13:36,559 Speaker 1: He is doing it like he's doing deep dives. Not 217 00:13:36,600 --> 00:13:39,520 Speaker 1: only are the guys that they've acquired or come close 218 00:13:39,559 --> 00:13:43,040 Speaker 1: to acquiring, but anyone that could even be a potential acquisition. 219 00:13:43,160 --> 00:13:47,800 Speaker 1: And I'm talking about from Jesus Bozardo, big names like that, 220 00:13:48,360 --> 00:13:53,040 Speaker 1: to like the Ben Heller signing that you know, these 221 00:13:53,120 --> 00:13:55,760 Speaker 1: minor league non roster invites that you're talking about, he 222 00:13:55,880 --> 00:13:59,800 Speaker 1: is doing deep dives on them. He has plans, you know, 223 00:14:00,160 --> 00:14:04,080 Speaker 1: proposals for everyone. Here's how we maximize this guy. We 224 00:14:04,160 --> 00:14:08,640 Speaker 1: can dump this pitch, add this pitch, do this. You 225 00:14:08,679 --> 00:14:11,840 Speaker 1: know he's doing this. If he does this, he'll be better. 226 00:14:12,840 --> 00:14:15,439 Speaker 1: So that's a lot of what he's doing right now. 227 00:14:16,520 --> 00:14:20,720 Speaker 1: But there was something that kind of triggered a conversation 228 00:14:20,840 --> 00:14:23,440 Speaker 1: I had with Justin Stone when he was first hired. 229 00:14:23,880 --> 00:14:28,000 Speaker 1: But he talked about how we like, we can't like 230 00:14:28,120 --> 00:14:30,640 Speaker 1: it's not cookie cutter, right. We have to understand how 231 00:14:30,640 --> 00:14:33,880 Speaker 1: their bodies work, what's their injury history, what you know, 232 00:14:33,960 --> 00:14:38,040 Speaker 1: what what does a guy do best as far as 233 00:14:38,080 --> 00:14:40,960 Speaker 1: how he moves? How Like he said something about the 234 00:14:41,000 --> 00:14:43,960 Speaker 1: force he impacts on the ball. I just think like 235 00:14:44,280 --> 00:14:47,320 Speaker 1: these things get so nerdy and and in the weeds 236 00:14:47,400 --> 00:14:50,520 Speaker 1: with how how they like what they're looking at. But 237 00:14:52,120 --> 00:14:55,480 Speaker 1: it's it's fascinating how you have to really look at 238 00:14:55,480 --> 00:14:58,720 Speaker 1: how the body moves. Right, Remember how years ago when 239 00:14:58,840 --> 00:15:01,840 Speaker 1: Justin Stone was first hired, I kind of went through 240 00:15:02,720 --> 00:15:08,640 Speaker 1: the like a mo yeah. Yeah. So it's like it 241 00:15:08,720 --> 00:15:11,680 Speaker 1: starts with you know, he's like measuring how far my 242 00:15:11,760 --> 00:15:14,760 Speaker 1: shoulders can move, like how far I can move my arm, 243 00:15:14,880 --> 00:15:17,840 Speaker 1: so like you understand the body movement type. And then 244 00:15:17,840 --> 00:15:21,080 Speaker 1: it's like, okay, now we know. Once you do all 245 00:15:21,080 --> 00:15:23,160 Speaker 1: those things, it's like, well we want Like there was 246 00:15:23,200 --> 00:15:25,320 Speaker 1: something where he said like actually he's like, oh, your 247 00:15:25,320 --> 00:15:29,600 Speaker 1: shoulders are really flexible. He's like that actually can work 248 00:15:29,640 --> 00:15:31,840 Speaker 1: against you in certain ways. And it's like you need 249 00:15:31,880 --> 00:15:34,760 Speaker 1: to like if if you were playing baseball and you're 250 00:15:35,080 --> 00:15:38,040 Speaker 1: a hitter, would need to you know, strengthen this area 251 00:15:38,080 --> 00:15:41,680 Speaker 1: and tighten up this area. Things like that. It's fascinating 252 00:15:41,840 --> 00:15:45,320 Speaker 1: how how like you learn how a body moves. It's like, okay, 253 00:15:45,720 --> 00:15:49,480 Speaker 1: with pitching, it's almost like we know how the body moves. Okay. 254 00:15:49,680 --> 00:15:53,560 Speaker 1: It's it's not always like let's correct these things. It's 255 00:15:53,600 --> 00:15:56,360 Speaker 1: because your body moves like this, you're able to throw 256 00:15:56,440 --> 00:15:58,640 Speaker 1: these types of pitches, or you're able to do X, 257 00:15:58,760 --> 00:16:02,560 Speaker 1: Y and Z with a pitch. Let's lean into that. Uh. 258 00:16:02,880 --> 00:16:06,520 Speaker 1: Something that I that stood out to me is and 259 00:16:06,920 --> 00:16:10,440 Speaker 1: I love this because it's so easy to jump on 260 00:16:10,480 --> 00:16:14,200 Speaker 1: the latest trend. Right when when the Astros started throwing 261 00:16:14,240 --> 00:16:17,960 Speaker 1: four seamers more, and and this was what the tenant 262 00:16:18,000 --> 00:16:22,720 Speaker 1: it's been like ten years now, right, it was it 263 00:16:22,800 --> 00:16:25,760 Speaker 1: was weird to the game, right, throwing four seams up 264 00:16:25,840 --> 00:16:28,240 Speaker 1: in the zone was like, that's gonna get hammered. You 265 00:16:28,320 --> 00:16:32,280 Speaker 1: can't do that. And it worked, right, And so everyone 266 00:16:32,360 --> 00:16:35,240 Speaker 1: said in the public sphere was like, okay, jump all 267 00:16:35,280 --> 00:16:37,440 Speaker 1: the two seamers, throw four steamers up in the zone. 268 00:16:37,440 --> 00:16:41,600 Speaker 1: That's it. That's how you succeed. That's not the answer. 269 00:16:41,840 --> 00:16:44,960 Speaker 1: Everyone's different and not. And then and then we started 270 00:16:45,040 --> 00:16:49,240 Speaker 1: chasing spin and spin rate and and spin efficiency you 271 00:16:49,280 --> 00:16:49,800 Speaker 1: know what, like. 272 00:16:50,840 --> 00:16:54,640 Speaker 3: Your nickname from our voyages, Yeah. 273 00:16:54,200 --> 00:16:56,920 Speaker 1: And like that stuff. That stuff doesn't always work. Like 274 00:16:56,960 --> 00:16:59,760 Speaker 1: someone chasing a zamber was on me at a he 275 00:16:59,800 --> 00:17:02,920 Speaker 1: had a pitcher who was chasing spin rate, chasing spin, 276 00:17:03,040 --> 00:17:06,880 Speaker 1: chasing spin and he's like you don't need to have 277 00:17:06,920 --> 00:17:11,280 Speaker 1: this perfectly efficient spinning four seamer with your arsenal. He's like, 278 00:17:11,680 --> 00:17:15,159 Speaker 1: just go with the eighty percent efficiency because you're throwing 279 00:17:15,200 --> 00:17:21,480 Speaker 1: off your your release point by doing this. So just 280 00:17:21,520 --> 00:17:23,600 Speaker 1: go back to the eighty percent and you have a 281 00:17:23,600 --> 00:17:26,600 Speaker 1: seam shifted wake two seamer. We have this, like your 282 00:17:26,640 --> 00:17:29,639 Speaker 1: fastball will cut at eighty percent. Like, just go like 283 00:17:29,680 --> 00:17:32,800 Speaker 1: and we'll add this slider whatever it is, and now 284 00:17:32,840 --> 00:17:35,560 Speaker 1: you have a complete arsenal and you're a better pitcher 285 00:17:36,000 --> 00:17:39,040 Speaker 1: with a less efficient fastball. So in theory that these 286 00:17:39,040 --> 00:17:42,159 Speaker 1: people like people chase these things that you don't need to, 287 00:17:43,040 --> 00:17:45,320 Speaker 1: it's build out the arsenal who are you as a 288 00:17:45,359 --> 00:17:49,040 Speaker 1: pitcher and understanding that. I think that's fascinating. Don't go 289 00:17:49,160 --> 00:17:52,480 Speaker 1: too far with something that, oh, we discovered this new 290 00:17:52,520 --> 00:17:56,320 Speaker 1: fancy thing I have to chase that. That's not always 291 00:17:56,320 --> 00:17:59,680 Speaker 1: how it works. Work with the individual, figure out what's 292 00:17:59,720 --> 00:18:01,760 Speaker 1: best for them, what works best for them, and build 293 00:18:01,760 --> 00:18:04,159 Speaker 1: a arsenal around that. I think that's really fascinating. 294 00:18:05,640 --> 00:18:07,960 Speaker 2: Circle back to kind of where you started this of 295 00:18:08,040 --> 00:18:10,919 Speaker 2: him being a special assistant. I was interested in how 296 00:18:11,760 --> 00:18:14,640 Speaker 2: he has the academic background. He pitched in the minors 297 00:18:14,880 --> 00:18:19,560 Speaker 2: for the Rays correct and had his own practice that 298 00:18:19,720 --> 00:18:26,800 Speaker 2: was a drive line like facility, working with various pictures. 299 00:18:26,840 --> 00:18:31,040 Speaker 2: I was curious how this came together because when you 300 00:18:31,080 --> 00:18:35,720 Speaker 2: and I wrote about the cuts in scouting and reduction 301 00:18:36,080 --> 00:18:43,200 Speaker 2: in staff, which seemed severe and even beyond certain industry standards, 302 00:18:43,280 --> 00:18:47,399 Speaker 2: the Cubs stress that we are still creating spaces for 303 00:18:48,240 --> 00:18:52,320 Speaker 2: new talent in emerging areas. Where does Zambro fit into 304 00:18:52,359 --> 00:18:53,280 Speaker 2: that overall picture? 305 00:18:53,920 --> 00:18:58,240 Speaker 1: Right? So this does One person I talked to around 306 00:18:58,280 --> 00:19:01,399 Speaker 1: the league outside of the organization, when I asked it 307 00:19:01,480 --> 00:19:04,280 Speaker 1: was like his Zambre legit, like was He's like, look, 308 00:19:04,320 --> 00:19:06,399 Speaker 1: he's and this is a scout, right, so he's going 309 00:19:06,440 --> 00:19:09,359 Speaker 1: to tend to lean against like these data people. But 310 00:19:09,400 --> 00:19:12,119 Speaker 1: he's like everything I've heard and learned about him is 311 00:19:12,119 --> 00:19:14,800 Speaker 1: he's legit. He can impact that organ a positive fashion. 312 00:19:14,840 --> 00:19:17,440 Speaker 1: He's like, this is this is kind of leaning into 313 00:19:17,480 --> 00:19:22,840 Speaker 1: that reduction of scouts though it is, it's going with this. 314 00:19:23,080 --> 00:19:25,560 Speaker 1: It's towards the trends that they're you know, they're not 315 00:19:25,760 --> 00:19:28,720 Speaker 1: It's not like some they're not suddenly zagging away from 316 00:19:28,760 --> 00:19:34,680 Speaker 1: what we wrote, right. But from what I understand, Zambra 317 00:19:34,840 --> 00:19:39,760 Speaker 1: was pretty highly pursuit. But the reason he chose the 318 00:19:39,800 --> 00:19:44,160 Speaker 1: Cubs is because Jed was very aggressive. So Zambro has 319 00:19:44,200 --> 00:19:48,879 Speaker 1: a has a history with Andrew Bassett, who was ahead 320 00:19:48,880 --> 00:19:51,600 Speaker 1: of pro scouting. I'm not sure if we even know 321 00:19:51,640 --> 00:19:55,120 Speaker 1: what his title is anymore because of all the changes 322 00:19:55,160 --> 00:20:02,879 Speaker 1: with Bassett is you know lieutenants now right right, and 323 00:20:03,080 --> 00:20:06,000 Speaker 1: and Zambro has a history with him, has done like 324 00:20:06,040 --> 00:20:09,000 Speaker 1: some work with the Cubs. I think he's done random 325 00:20:09,040 --> 00:20:11,919 Speaker 1: work with teams over the years, just kind of helping 326 00:20:11,920 --> 00:20:15,199 Speaker 1: on pitchers and giving information. And he's done that in 327 00:20:15,240 --> 00:20:18,800 Speaker 1: the past with the Cubs, and so they had this relationship. 328 00:20:19,040 --> 00:20:21,600 Speaker 1: They were giving the willingness to kind of give him 329 00:20:21,600 --> 00:20:25,680 Speaker 1: this all encompassing role. I think really intrigued Sambro. As 330 00:20:25,720 --> 00:20:28,159 Speaker 1: we said, like's his ultimate goal is to be at 331 00:20:28,160 --> 00:20:33,159 Speaker 1: the top of a baseball ops someday. And yeah, I 332 00:20:33,160 --> 00:20:37,680 Speaker 1: think that attracted him to the Cubs. Jed was intrigued 333 00:20:37,680 --> 00:20:41,520 Speaker 1: by his intelligence, his background, kind of the need for 334 00:20:41,640 --> 00:20:47,320 Speaker 1: another baseball mind, pitching mind. They lost Craig Breslow about 335 00:20:47,320 --> 00:20:49,560 Speaker 1: a year a little over a year ago. Now they're 336 00:20:49,680 --> 00:20:54,800 Speaker 1: very happy with Ryan O'to. Zambro was emphasized that what 337 00:20:55,000 --> 00:20:58,000 Speaker 1: Breslo and Otaro have kind of built in the pitching infrastructure. 338 00:20:58,040 --> 00:20:59,679 Speaker 1: Gives him a lot to work with. It's not like 339 00:20:59,720 --> 00:21:02,840 Speaker 1: he's from a clean slate and building from the ground up. 340 00:21:04,600 --> 00:21:09,040 Speaker 1: It's kind of like what they're they're head of PD 341 00:21:09,160 --> 00:21:12,720 Speaker 1: who came from Houston. Who's now Jesus, my brain is 342 00:21:12,720 --> 00:21:18,800 Speaker 1: not working. Canceler said, like, they're not coming over here 343 00:21:18,880 --> 00:21:21,920 Speaker 1: and like we have to reinvent the wheel. They're they're 344 00:21:22,000 --> 00:21:24,840 Speaker 1: just expanding on what's already been built. This is, this 345 00:21:24,880 --> 00:21:27,120 Speaker 1: is according to them. I don't want to. 346 00:21:27,760 --> 00:21:31,159 Speaker 2: Whenever someone says we're not reinventing the wheel, they're totally reinventing. 347 00:21:31,760 --> 00:21:34,080 Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, I don't want to act like the Cubs 348 00:21:34,080 --> 00:21:36,639 Speaker 1: have it all figured out. I think that's why I 349 00:21:36,680 --> 00:21:38,400 Speaker 1: wrote what I did at the end. The Cubs are 350 00:21:38,400 --> 00:21:41,520 Speaker 1: an eighty three win team. They have a lot of 351 00:21:41,560 --> 00:21:42,640 Speaker 1: good prospects. 352 00:21:42,920 --> 00:21:43,040 Speaker 2: Uh. 353 00:21:43,160 --> 00:21:46,640 Speaker 1: There are some people that still feel like, hey, where 354 00:21:46,640 --> 00:21:50,280 Speaker 1: do they stand out? What is their advantage? Competitive advantage? 355 00:21:51,119 --> 00:21:53,280 Speaker 1: But Zambro had nothing but good things to say about 356 00:21:53,280 --> 00:21:57,360 Speaker 1: this organization. What stood out to him was their ability 357 00:21:57,440 --> 00:22:03,040 Speaker 1: to collaborate between departments. Right, so he's he's helping with 358 00:22:03,160 --> 00:22:06,000 Speaker 1: strength and conditioning. He's communicating with strength and conditioning to 359 00:22:06,320 --> 00:22:08,840 Speaker 1: what we were talking about, like how your body moves. Okay, 360 00:22:08,880 --> 00:22:11,520 Speaker 1: like let's let's strengthen this area to make sure you 361 00:22:11,560 --> 00:22:14,359 Speaker 1: can move like this or really lean into this part 362 00:22:14,359 --> 00:22:18,760 Speaker 1: of your you know body. Just like he's he's able 363 00:22:18,840 --> 00:22:20,960 Speaker 1: to work with in every department. And I think that 364 00:22:21,119 --> 00:22:24,200 Speaker 1: intrigued him, that he kind of has that latitude to 365 00:22:24,680 --> 00:22:27,080 Speaker 1: work all over the place. And and Jed was intrigued 366 00:22:27,119 --> 00:22:31,239 Speaker 1: by him, and and it was very aggressive with with 367 00:22:31,320 --> 00:22:35,720 Speaker 1: his pursuit and it's made for you know, I guess 368 00:22:35,760 --> 00:22:40,679 Speaker 1: a convenient marriage. Uh, And well, I'm just intrigued by it. 369 00:22:40,720 --> 00:22:46,160 Speaker 1: I think he's clearly intelligent. I want to know it's good. 370 00:22:46,240 --> 00:22:49,240 Speaker 2: It's good too, because like this last phase of the 371 00:22:49,280 --> 00:22:52,159 Speaker 2: off season is largely going to be about pitching and 372 00:22:52,240 --> 00:22:56,800 Speaker 2: pitching air quotes, finding value on the margins and you know, 373 00:22:56,960 --> 00:23:02,280 Speaker 2: consolidation of war and you know optionality and out getters, 374 00:23:02,280 --> 00:23:05,640 Speaker 2: as Craig Counsel would say, So like, like we talked 375 00:23:05,640 --> 00:23:11,120 Speaker 2: about earlier, there's a lot of like pitchers out there, 376 00:23:11,119 --> 00:23:12,919 Speaker 2: and not all of them are probably gonna be super 377 00:23:13,000 --> 00:23:14,720 Speaker 2: happy with how this is going. 378 00:23:14,480 --> 00:23:18,200 Speaker 3: To turn out. And that is very much a. 379 00:23:17,440 --> 00:23:22,080 Speaker 2: Jet and Carter type of strategy of kind of waiting 380 00:23:22,119 --> 00:23:25,840 Speaker 2: it out right, you know, maybe getting you know, getting 381 00:23:25,840 --> 00:23:30,120 Speaker 2: some unexpected value or different players at different price points. 382 00:23:30,520 --> 00:23:33,520 Speaker 1: We'll see what like. Look, the Cubs have been pretty 383 00:23:33,520 --> 00:23:37,760 Speaker 1: good at that in general over the past five years, right, 384 00:23:37,800 --> 00:23:41,320 Speaker 1: They've been pretty solid at finding that value. Last year 385 00:23:41,359 --> 00:23:44,000 Speaker 1: obviously didn't work out. The year before that it was 386 00:23:44,080 --> 00:23:47,080 Speaker 1: hit or miss, but they did do a good job 387 00:23:47,119 --> 00:23:49,200 Speaker 1: over the course of the season. Last year, they didn't 388 00:23:49,240 --> 00:23:51,119 Speaker 1: do a good job to start the season, right, but 389 00:23:51,160 --> 00:23:54,400 Speaker 1: then they found guys like Tyson Miller and Nate Pearson 390 00:23:54,520 --> 00:23:57,240 Speaker 1: to help them near the end of the year. They're 391 00:23:57,280 --> 00:23:59,440 Speaker 1: able to figure these things out on the fly. You'd 392 00:23:59,440 --> 00:24:02,359 Speaker 1: prefer you don't have awful aprils at maze, right. I 393 00:24:02,400 --> 00:24:05,959 Speaker 1: think that's the goal here right now, make sure to 394 00:24:06,040 --> 00:24:09,840 Speaker 1: find that value. Will Like, nobody knows who Ben Heller is, 395 00:24:10,040 --> 00:24:12,080 Speaker 1: right will we know who he is by mid season. 396 00:24:12,160 --> 00:24:15,520 Speaker 1: It is the guy that they just picked up from Texas, 397 00:24:15,600 --> 00:24:19,320 Speaker 1: Matt Feste, who has worked I didn't mention this. So 398 00:24:21,320 --> 00:24:24,760 Speaker 1: he was at Zamber was at tread Athletics, which is 399 00:24:24,880 --> 00:24:28,080 Speaker 1: huge now and I've talked to some people around baseball 400 00:24:28,680 --> 00:24:31,120 Speaker 1: they believe it, like some people are like I think 401 00:24:31,160 --> 00:24:34,360 Speaker 1: they may be better than drive Line. They have more 402 00:24:34,359 --> 00:24:37,960 Speaker 1: success stories. There's a lot of names. I was looking 403 00:24:38,000 --> 00:24:41,639 Speaker 1: at these guys. I sometimes like relievers are so easy 404 00:24:41,680 --> 00:24:44,520 Speaker 1: to go under your radar and you completely miss on 405 00:24:44,520 --> 00:24:48,320 Speaker 1: this guy like Colin Snyder with Seattle last year. Go 406 00:24:48,400 --> 00:24:50,840 Speaker 1: look at his previous seasons and then the season he 407 00:24:51,000 --> 00:24:53,920 Speaker 1: just had and you're just like, that is an out 408 00:24:53,920 --> 00:24:56,760 Speaker 1: of the blue reliever, Like what is this guy doing? 409 00:24:57,080 --> 00:24:59,199 Speaker 1: And he's a tread guy. He worked with Zambro, Like, 410 00:24:59,480 --> 00:25:01,800 Speaker 1: there's a lot of guys that Sober is already working 411 00:25:01,800 --> 00:25:03,560 Speaker 1: with other picks like all the like a bunch of 412 00:25:03,560 --> 00:25:07,399 Speaker 1: pictures in spring training, not spring training, but in Arizona 413 00:25:08,119 --> 00:25:10,400 Speaker 1: and trying to get them to be their best selves 414 00:25:10,760 --> 00:25:12,919 Speaker 1: this season. So we'll see what type of impact. Is 415 00:25:12,960 --> 00:25:15,639 Speaker 1: it an immediate impact, is it a long term impact? 416 00:25:15,680 --> 00:25:18,160 Speaker 1: Is is it both? Well, I'm very curious to see 417 00:25:18,160 --> 00:25:21,600 Speaker 1: how that works out. I think maybe the immediate thing 418 00:25:21,640 --> 00:25:24,680 Speaker 1: we may see are are like some impact with the relievers, right, 419 00:25:24,800 --> 00:25:27,479 Speaker 1: Like that's that they're they're good at that. Can they 420 00:25:27,560 --> 00:25:30,000 Speaker 1: kind of stand out now? Can they can they be 421 00:25:30,160 --> 00:25:33,080 Speaker 1: something that? Can it be something that you know, there's 422 00:25:33,200 --> 00:25:36,720 Speaker 1: multiple guys coming up and down every year, and and 423 00:25:36,800 --> 00:25:40,359 Speaker 1: relievers are you know, short bursts of success. So this 424 00:25:40,480 --> 00:25:43,000 Speaker 1: may not be like ten years of a reliever dominating, 425 00:25:43,040 --> 00:25:48,040 Speaker 1: but you get three months of success that's April, right, Yeah, 426 00:25:48,520 --> 00:25:55,080 Speaker 1: Star a council kind of like, you know, yeah, so 427 00:25:55,119 --> 00:25:58,280 Speaker 1: we'll we'll see, you know, I'm not I'm not all 428 00:25:58,320 --> 00:26:01,240 Speaker 1: in on saying like it. This is the difference maker. 429 00:26:01,280 --> 00:26:06,679 Speaker 1: And they they've hired the most brilliant find ever. I 430 00:26:06,840 --> 00:26:09,800 Speaker 1: just I was just intrigued and as an impressive round game. 431 00:26:10,119 --> 00:26:13,520 Speaker 1: Yeah enough people around the game had positive things to 432 00:26:13,560 --> 00:26:18,240 Speaker 1: say that it seemed worthwhile and and he's an outside 433 00:26:18,280 --> 00:26:21,320 Speaker 1: the box thinker that has some success behind them as 434 00:26:21,320 --> 00:26:24,040 Speaker 1: far as working with guys, and he's a former player, 435 00:26:24,160 --> 00:26:26,240 Speaker 1: so like he earns that respect from the guys he 436 00:26:26,320 --> 00:26:29,480 Speaker 1: works with. They like working with him. Something that he 437 00:26:29,520 --> 00:26:31,639 Speaker 1: said that I didn't really get a chance to write 438 00:26:31,680 --> 00:26:34,119 Speaker 1: because it was like we went in so many different directions, 439 00:26:34,400 --> 00:26:37,000 Speaker 1: was his one of his big priorities is keeping these 440 00:26:37,040 --> 00:26:40,120 Speaker 1: guys healthy. And I think like players love hearing that 441 00:26:40,200 --> 00:26:42,359 Speaker 1: so much. It's like so much of it is just 442 00:26:42,400 --> 00:26:44,439 Speaker 1: like maximize everything, throw as hard as you can and 443 00:26:44,480 --> 00:26:46,919 Speaker 1: then help isn't like the number one priority. He's like, 444 00:26:47,240 --> 00:26:49,040 Speaker 1: my goal is to make sure they stay healthy. He's 445 00:26:49,040 --> 00:26:51,800 Speaker 1: worked with like two times, Tommy John guys like coul 446 00:26:51,880 --> 00:26:54,520 Speaker 1: Reagan's and like wants to make sure he stays healthy. 447 00:26:54,760 --> 00:26:57,040 Speaker 1: Reagan's is now an all star, you know, cy young 448 00:26:57,160 --> 00:27:01,879 Speaker 1: type pitcher, and he's and he's he looks healthier and 449 00:27:01,960 --> 00:27:06,000 Speaker 1: seems like maybe he's like he found figured some things out. 450 00:27:06,280 --> 00:27:08,960 Speaker 1: Who knows is that an advantage he can bring? I 451 00:27:09,000 --> 00:27:11,000 Speaker 1: don't know, Like these are the types of things like 452 00:27:11,040 --> 00:27:13,199 Speaker 1: we need to watch and pay attention to it and 453 00:27:13,320 --> 00:27:16,560 Speaker 1: see what direction they go with pitching, both at the 454 00:27:16,560 --> 00:27:18,800 Speaker 1: major league level and in the minors with player development. 455 00:27:19,040 --> 00:27:21,479 Speaker 1: Zambro could impact that. So we'll see. We'll see if 456 00:27:21,480 --> 00:27:24,320 Speaker 1: it's a if it's just a non story in the end, 457 00:27:24,480 --> 00:27:27,320 Speaker 1: or or if he's the real deal, or you know, 458 00:27:27,320 --> 00:27:30,040 Speaker 1: if the organization can work with him, and you know, 459 00:27:30,119 --> 00:27:32,800 Speaker 1: if they can work, if he can take this organization 460 00:27:32,840 --> 00:27:35,480 Speaker 1: to another level, because I think that they really need 461 00:27:35,480 --> 00:27:38,600 Speaker 1: that because right now when we talk to people around 462 00:27:38,640 --> 00:27:41,280 Speaker 1: the game, you hear like, this is what the Cubs 463 00:27:41,280 --> 00:27:43,920 Speaker 1: are doing that's standing out. We don't, right, we don't 464 00:27:43,960 --> 00:27:44,280 Speaker 1: hear that. 465 00:27:45,320 --> 00:27:47,680 Speaker 3: It's It's definitely a good read. 466 00:27:47,800 --> 00:27:51,879 Speaker 2: Check it out on the Athletic in large part because 467 00:27:51,960 --> 00:27:55,480 Speaker 2: Zambro does tie together a lot of different themes and 468 00:27:55,560 --> 00:27:56,200 Speaker 2: ideas that. 469 00:27:56,160 --> 00:27:59,000 Speaker 3: Are kind of running around the organization now at a. 470 00:27:59,040 --> 00:28:06,240 Speaker 2: Very critical time for this front office, so definitely definitely worthwhile. 471 00:28:06,680 --> 00:28:10,639 Speaker 2: We'll give you a lot at insight as the Cubs, 472 00:28:10,680 --> 00:28:13,800 Speaker 2: you know, move closer towards spring training here and finish 473 00:28:13,880 --> 00:28:14,639 Speaker 2: out the off season. 474 00:28:15,480 --> 00:28:18,199 Speaker 1: Yep, all right, thanks so much for listening to everyone. 475 00:28:18,200 --> 00:28:20,919 Speaker 1: This is North Side Territory. 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