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Speaker 1: On the Beck Doll Cast, the questions asked if movies

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Speaker 1: best start changing it with the Beck del Cast. Hey everyone, Hey,

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Speaker 1: it's us. It's us Caitlin and Jamie and we wanted

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Speaker 1: to do just a really quick intro for our episode

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Speaker 1: that you're about to hear, because we went to Washington,

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Speaker 1: da good. So we went to the Drafthouse Comedy Theater

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Speaker 1: before we do that, just a really quick plug for

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Speaker 1: our upcoming West Coast tour. Yes, that's right. We are

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Speaker 1: hitting three cities on the West Coast, the fun little

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Speaker 1: On the we're going to be in San Francisco for

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Speaker 1: Sketch Fest, covering the Breakfast club that's at Piano Fight,

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Speaker 1: that's true. And then we're heading up the coast to Portland, Oregon.

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Speaker 1: On January we are talking about fight Club and we're

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Speaker 1: going to be at the Curious Comedy Theater. And finally

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Speaker 1: on the January we'll be in Seattle, Washington. We're doing

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Speaker 1: two shows. They're doing The Little Mermaid and Sleepless in Seattle.

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Speaker 1: So choose your poison or you know, preferably good above fast.

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Speaker 1: on the live appearances to up and we will see you.

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Speaker 1: See there are right in enjoy our episode cast. Welcome

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Speaker 1: to the Beck Deel Cast. My name is Jamie Loftus,

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Speaker 1: my name is Caitlin Torante and you knew that. So

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Speaker 1: that's here. We are in the flesh. How are you?

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Speaker 1: How are you kid? I'm great. We just ate some

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Speaker 1: burgers together and did um. Yeah, we were in Philadelphia

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Speaker 1: last night. Now we're here. We got a small I

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Speaker 1: I love a small whoop of association just like I

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Speaker 1: also have been there. You were like hell yeah. Great.

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Speaker 1: Oh there's a feminist icon gel shirt. We're she is

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Speaker 1: a feminist ico. We were so. I saw you in

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Speaker 1: shocked anyone bought that shirt. And I'm so thrilled that

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Speaker 1: we're still We're stoud to be here. Yeah, we're talking

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Speaker 1: about The Nightmare before Christmas. Oh so, so clap if

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Speaker 1: you saw the movie, using the movie, did your homework, etcetera.

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Speaker 1: Now by round of applause. Who has not seen The

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Speaker 1: Nightmare before Christmas? Okay, we heard jump be shy space, Yes,

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Speaker 1: Caitlin's famous recap to clue everyone in who hasn't seen

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Speaker 1: the movies. Nothing happens in this movie, and it's like,

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Speaker 1: don't because sometimes people bring a friend and they're like,

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Speaker 1: why am I here? And who are these people? And

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Speaker 1: Oh wow, okay, awesome, okay, okay, this will be fun. Okay.

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Speaker 1: So we're annoying and that's all you need to know this.

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Speaker 1: So we uh analyze famous movies using the Bechtel test

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Speaker 1: correspondent for the political satire show Redacted tonight on RT America.

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Speaker 1: Give it up for Natalie McGill. Wow, such a warm reception.

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Speaker 1: Thank you, Hi, thanks for being here. Oh my gosh,

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Speaker 1: so so full disclosure. I used to be like scared

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Speaker 1: childhood crush of mine. I was like like, Shaya, move away. Oh,

419
00:28:45,320 --> 00:28:51,080
Speaker 1: sometimes I were like, but shya, but shia, but also

420
00:28:51,240 --> 00:28:53,840
Speaker 1: Zero was it was the was the true Katie of

421
00:28:53,840 --> 00:28:57,160
Speaker 1: the movie. The Zero's nose glow the entire time from

422
00:28:57,160 --> 00:29:00,040
Speaker 1: the start. Yeah, okay, because so he didn't realize that

423
00:29:00,200 --> 00:29:01,920
Speaker 1: when he was supposed to go on the sleigh, right,

424
00:29:01,960 --> 00:29:04,640
Speaker 1: he was like, Oh, your nose glow super Like, how dog?

425
00:29:04,680 --> 00:29:07,120
Speaker 1: If you owned this dog is nose who's glowing the

426
00:29:07,320 --> 00:29:11,959
Speaker 1: entire time? Right? They established it really early on because

427
00:29:12,440 --> 00:29:16,200
Speaker 1: in a really hilarious visual joke, Jack Skellington rips out

428
00:29:16,240 --> 00:29:19,080
Speaker 1: one of his own ribs and throws it and then

429
00:29:19,320 --> 00:29:21,400
Speaker 1: Zero can't find it at first, but then he uses

430
00:29:21,440 --> 00:29:24,240
Speaker 1: the light of his nose to find it. You can't

431
00:29:24,320 --> 00:29:28,640
Speaker 1: like supplant every joke possible with like what if it

432
00:29:28,720 --> 00:29:33,960
Speaker 1: were Bones? Like that can't just be the joke. But

433
00:29:34,040 --> 00:29:36,880
Speaker 1: that's like every joke in this movie. Really, you've never

434
00:29:36,920 --> 00:29:41,400
Speaker 1: seen the Bones? Is that all? It is? Just bones?

435
00:29:41,840 --> 00:29:46,280
Speaker 1: I don't know, I've never seen it. Is that. I

436
00:29:46,320 --> 00:29:50,840
Speaker 1: think it's about Oh, no, cup, if you've seen Bones, okay,

437
00:29:53,120 --> 00:30:01,160
Speaker 1: that's about is it doctor Bones? Nick named Bones? Okay,

438
00:30:01,160 --> 00:30:04,960
Speaker 1: so there's a man named Bones. And I was like,

439
00:30:05,000 --> 00:30:07,760
Speaker 1: I think it's just about a guy named Bones. I

440
00:30:07,800 --> 00:30:11,520
Speaker 1: think they're looking at bones though anyway, So anyways, bones jokes,

441
00:30:11,560 --> 00:30:15,640
Speaker 1: I'm over it. So I wanted to talk about the

442
00:30:15,680 --> 00:30:18,920
Speaker 1: active choices that we see Sally make, because she does

443
00:30:19,040 --> 00:30:23,920
Speaker 1: make some. First, she tries to poison the doctor's tea

444
00:30:24,200 --> 00:30:27,400
Speaker 1: the first time. This happens a lot. Then she runs

445
00:30:27,440 --> 00:30:31,160
Speaker 1: away from him by pulling her own arm off. Then

446
00:30:31,320 --> 00:30:35,600
Speaker 1: she poisons his soup, tricks him into eating it and

447
00:30:35,800 --> 00:30:40,000
Speaker 1: with a whole with the red that she had ready

448
00:30:40,120 --> 00:30:46,320
Speaker 1: shut whatever, and then she escapes out the window, sows

449
00:30:46,320 --> 00:30:52,600
Speaker 1: herself throws. Yeah, that seemed genuinely bothers me. Where there's

450
00:30:52,720 --> 00:30:56,400
Speaker 1: so much like God, I mean, we're talking about this backstage,

451
00:30:56,440 --> 00:30:59,560
Speaker 1: but like Tim Burton's never ending quest to seem interesting,

452
00:30:59,760 --> 00:31:05,080
Speaker 1: like the fucking like goth Edge Lord of the World.

453
00:31:05,280 --> 00:31:09,200
Speaker 1: Like it's just it goes without saying he sucks, but like,

454
00:31:09,920 --> 00:31:14,040
Speaker 1: but the way he like glorifies just like doing him

455
00:31:14,080 --> 00:31:16,920
Speaker 1: what any other case would be a suicide. He's like

456
00:31:17,440 --> 00:31:19,960
Speaker 1: is played for a joke in this and that bugged

457
00:31:20,000 --> 00:31:22,240
Speaker 1: me a lot where it's and also it's our only

458
00:31:22,280 --> 00:31:25,160
Speaker 1: female character. It's like, does it pass the Bettel test

459
00:31:25,240 --> 00:31:28,520
Speaker 1: if the only female character flings herself out a window

460
00:31:29,240 --> 00:31:32,560
Speaker 1: like that's I don't know, didn't like that, didn't know

461
00:31:32,600 --> 00:31:35,360
Speaker 1: it wasn't okay. So before she flew flung herself out,

462
00:31:35,760 --> 00:31:37,960
Speaker 1: she had like all the like her potions and stuff,

463
00:31:37,960 --> 00:31:40,200
Speaker 1: and she had like a Pulley system and she like, yeah,

464
00:31:40,280 --> 00:31:42,680
Speaker 1: definitely lowered that down. I was like, why couldn't you,

465
00:31:43,080 --> 00:31:47,120
Speaker 1: Why couldn't you get right? Why did you have to

466
00:31:47,840 --> 00:31:51,200
Speaker 1: because I guess she has to demonstrate her sewing skills.

467
00:31:51,480 --> 00:31:56,680
Speaker 1: She had the technology that I simply don't know. God,

468
00:31:56,800 --> 00:32:00,000
Speaker 1: that's yeah, that was dumb. So then she shows her

469
00:32:00,480 --> 00:32:03,640
Speaker 1: back together after she flings herself out of the window,

470
00:32:03,960 --> 00:32:07,120
Speaker 1: brings the picnic basket to Jack. But then it's like

471
00:32:07,240 --> 00:32:11,760
Speaker 1: t by like runs away, I shot. It's like a

472
00:32:11,880 --> 00:32:17,360
Speaker 1: Jane Austen novel. So up until this point, none of

473
00:32:17,400 --> 00:32:20,880
Speaker 1: these choices have really influenced the story. But then whenever

474
00:32:21,520 --> 00:32:25,840
Speaker 1: Jack is like, hey better go, you know, ruined appropriate

475
00:32:25,880 --> 00:32:28,960
Speaker 1: another culture, She's like, no, this is a bad idea

476
00:32:29,000 --> 00:32:31,760
Speaker 1: because she's had that premonition. And then she adds something

477
00:32:31,800 --> 00:32:35,680
Speaker 1: to like the cauldron to create the fog, but he's like,

478
00:32:35,720 --> 00:32:43,480
Speaker 1: it was juice twist, it's fog juice. But then that

479
00:32:43,640 --> 00:32:46,520
Speaker 1: obstacle is like immediately overcome because he's like, oh, I've

480
00:32:46,520 --> 00:32:49,200
Speaker 1: got my dog who I just remembered has a light

481
00:32:49,240 --> 00:32:54,520
Speaker 1: bulb on his face, and the reindeer just a regular reindeer.

482
00:32:54,560 --> 00:33:04,080
Speaker 1: But wait, there's a twist their bones. Dumbass movie, and

483
00:33:04,120 --> 00:33:06,480
Speaker 1: then we already kind of touched on this. But at

484
00:33:06,480 --> 00:33:10,000
Speaker 1: the end, she does try to save Santa Claus, who's

485
00:33:10,040 --> 00:33:13,680
Speaker 1: being imprisoned by the Boogeyman. But then she gets pretty

486
00:33:13,680 --> 00:33:16,239
Speaker 1: close and she's like doing interesting stuff where she like

487
00:33:16,720 --> 00:33:20,400
Speaker 1: uses her skills to like but also she uses like

488
00:33:21,080 --> 00:33:25,200
Speaker 1: female sexuality by removing her leg to make the what's

489
00:33:25,200 --> 00:33:31,760
Speaker 1: this the gobba ghoul? What's his name? She tries to

490
00:33:31,800 --> 00:33:37,640
Speaker 1: get him horny with her detached leg. Yes, so you're

491
00:33:37,680 --> 00:33:41,360
Speaker 1: just like sure, right, and then but then she uses

492
00:33:41,360 --> 00:33:44,720
Speaker 1: her hands to like untie the thing. So she comes close,

493
00:33:44,800 --> 00:33:47,920
Speaker 1: but then she ends up getting captured herself, and I

494
00:33:47,960 --> 00:33:52,000
Speaker 1: guess sews herself back together because the next time we

495
00:33:52,080 --> 00:33:57,760
Speaker 1: see also Santa could fly the whole time, right, But

496
00:33:57,880 --> 00:34:00,800
Speaker 1: that brings up the fact that, like most of Sally's

497
00:34:01,000 --> 00:34:03,160
Speaker 1: skills that we see her do in the movie are

498
00:34:03,200 --> 00:34:07,160
Speaker 1: like very domestic or like traditionally feminine because she's either

499
00:34:07,240 --> 00:34:14,160
Speaker 1: always making food slash potions or sewing stuff, but there

500
00:34:14,320 --> 00:34:16,680
Speaker 1: is like, I don't know, it's weird because the way

501
00:34:16,840 --> 00:34:19,160
Speaker 1: she's asked to prepare food, but then she does a

502
00:34:19,200 --> 00:34:25,440
Speaker 1: science experiment instead in an attempt to murder, so that

503
00:34:25,440 --> 00:34:28,160
Speaker 1: that I feel like it is like not total domestic

504
00:34:28,239 --> 00:34:34,160
Speaker 1: or it's like hardcore domestics extreme domestic, and then she

505
00:34:34,400 --> 00:34:37,000
Speaker 1: I don't know, it's weird and frustrating because she has

506
00:34:37,080 --> 00:34:40,640
Speaker 1: other skills but no one cares about them or values them.

507
00:34:40,920 --> 00:34:43,960
Speaker 1: And at the end of the movie that's kind of unchanged,

508
00:34:44,400 --> 00:34:49,839
Speaker 1: where we know that she can do chemical she has

509
00:34:49,880 --> 00:34:54,080
Speaker 1: fogges and a frog's breath whatever, She's got all this

510
00:34:54,239 --> 00:34:58,240
Speaker 1: science stuff, and then we also know she can predict

511
00:34:58,320 --> 00:35:01,880
Speaker 1: the future and has preminent sans. But every interaction she

512
00:35:01,920 --> 00:35:04,520
Speaker 1: has with Jackie, she's literally like Christmas is over and

513
00:35:04,560 --> 00:35:07,120
Speaker 1: he's like, ha ha ha, can you sew this for me?

514
00:35:07,840 --> 00:35:11,360
Speaker 1: And he doesn't change in that regard at all. Right, Definitely,

515
00:35:11,520 --> 00:35:15,560
Speaker 1: I would argue though, that having a premonition is like

516
00:35:16,200 --> 00:35:18,160
Speaker 1: still sort of like a feminine trade because it's like

517
00:35:18,200 --> 00:35:22,200
Speaker 1: a woman's intuition. Maybe have you seen that so raven?

518
00:35:25,760 --> 00:35:30,200
Speaker 1: Because for her it's a defined skill, it's a superpower. Sure,

519
00:35:30,600 --> 00:35:35,719
Speaker 1: I don't know. Yeah, good point. How but well that

520
00:35:36,160 --> 00:35:39,600
Speaker 1: begs the question, how many female characters do we see

521
00:35:39,680 --> 00:35:44,439
Speaker 1: having clairvoyance like that versus how many male characters? That's true?

522
00:35:44,520 --> 00:35:46,360
Speaker 1: I mean, I just don't. I don't want men to

523
00:35:46,400 --> 00:35:49,520
Speaker 1: be able to know what the future is if anyone's

524
00:35:49,520 --> 00:35:52,239
Speaker 1: going to have the power. But I think it's sort

525
00:35:52,280 --> 00:35:54,759
Speaker 1: of like coded like that, Like clairvoyance is sort of

526
00:35:54,760 --> 00:35:58,320
Speaker 1: coded as like a woman's intuition, and maybe there's nothing

527
00:35:58,360 --> 00:36:00,360
Speaker 1: wrong with that. I don't know. We'll we'll figure this

528
00:36:00,360 --> 00:36:03,040
Speaker 1: out in a later episode as we see more of

529
00:36:03,080 --> 00:36:05,440
Speaker 1: this and discuss it further. I don't it's well, I

530
00:36:05,440 --> 00:36:08,960
Speaker 1: guess miss Sally, it's kind of unclear what because she

531
00:36:09,160 --> 00:36:14,239
Speaker 1: is the a man's creation that seems to gain sentience

532
00:36:14,560 --> 00:36:17,520
Speaker 1: beyond her creator, and there's like kind of some born

533
00:36:17,600 --> 00:36:22,399
Speaker 1: sexy Yesterday vibes about the way she is created. It's

534
00:36:22,480 --> 00:36:26,080
Speaker 1: unclear what she knows is like programmed into her and

535
00:36:26,120 --> 00:36:28,840
Speaker 1: what she knows that she's learned. So I don't know

536
00:36:28,880 --> 00:36:31,680
Speaker 1: if like she was programmed clairvoyant or and I feel

537
00:36:31,680 --> 00:36:34,760
Speaker 1: like maybe that's why, Like later on, when he creates

538
00:36:34,800 --> 00:36:37,239
Speaker 1: like a whole other like woman like and then like

539
00:36:37,360 --> 00:36:39,319
Speaker 1: uses like half of his brain and like puts it

540
00:36:39,320 --> 00:36:41,920
Speaker 1: in there. So he has like his idea of like

541
00:36:41,920 --> 00:36:44,759
Speaker 1: an ideal woman, whereas like she ended up carving some

542
00:36:44,840 --> 00:36:46,719
Speaker 1: type of independence on her own, even though she was

543
00:36:46,760 --> 00:36:50,880
Speaker 1: still kind of domestic. Right, she does escape, which is cool, yeah,

544
00:36:51,080 --> 00:36:53,680
Speaker 1: but then his like Mrs pac Man that he makes

545
00:36:53,760 --> 00:37:00,799
Speaker 1: is very creepy. His identical twin question mark. Also, they

546
00:37:00,840 --> 00:37:03,279
Speaker 1: both have half of a brain, So it's like these

547
00:37:03,280 --> 00:37:08,080
Speaker 1: like lobotomized people just like like there's no way they're smart,

548
00:37:08,160 --> 00:37:12,719
Speaker 1: just what I'm saying. But who here would pay to

549
00:37:12,840 --> 00:37:20,080
Speaker 1: see a sex tape of them? I don't see any hands? Okay,

550
00:37:20,400 --> 00:37:26,600
Speaker 1: that did occur to me, there's something there, Okay, cool

551
00:37:26,680 --> 00:37:30,520
Speaker 1: to see. Yeah, I guess with the mad sign, do

552
00:37:30,600 --> 00:37:38,360
Speaker 1: we ever learn his name Finkelstein? Okay, so Frankenstein basically okay,

553
00:37:38,840 --> 00:37:42,319
Speaker 1: got it? Yeah, So he like definitely views her as

554
00:37:42,600 --> 00:37:45,920
Speaker 1: his property and like wants her to be very obedient,

555
00:37:46,080 --> 00:37:48,799
Speaker 1: and I guess the fact that she's not and that

556
00:37:48,920 --> 00:37:54,560
Speaker 1: she's defiant is good, but like it's a low bar.

557
00:37:54,800 --> 00:37:57,560
Speaker 1: That's where I mean. There are moments where I was

558
00:37:57,600 --> 00:38:00,319
Speaker 1: like I think that it's trying to make common terry

559
00:38:00,320 --> 00:38:02,839
Speaker 1: on something like even when I don't like the scene

560
00:38:02,840 --> 00:38:05,200
Speaker 1: where she leaps out of the tower, but that almost

561
00:38:05,239 --> 00:38:08,200
Speaker 1: felt like a commentary on like how princesses are always

562
00:38:08,280 --> 00:38:11,120
Speaker 1: you know, trapped in towers and have to be rescued

563
00:38:11,160 --> 00:38:18,440
Speaker 1: and she leaps from it, and so feminism there's like

564
00:38:18,520 --> 00:38:21,920
Speaker 1: some really like empty like Tim Burton being like, right,

565
00:38:22,600 --> 00:38:25,640
Speaker 1: you're just like now you've missed it. Man. She's also

566
00:38:26,800 --> 00:38:30,120
Speaker 1: she's also made of leaves. Does anyone else catch that

567
00:38:30,200 --> 00:38:33,640
Speaker 1: she leaves inside of her every time she like falls apart,

568
00:38:33,760 --> 00:38:36,320
Speaker 1: Like there's leaves that come out. She's like a scarecrow.

569
00:38:36,600 --> 00:38:46,120
Speaker 1: Oh no, that's not straw. Watch the movie again. She's

570
00:38:46,120 --> 00:38:49,320
Speaker 1: made out of leaves. Also wears the show Leaves follow

571
00:38:49,400 --> 00:38:53,920
Speaker 1: up to bones Um. Sally's a weird character. It's weird

572
00:38:53,960 --> 00:38:56,480
Speaker 1: because it's like one of those characters where, like we've

573
00:38:56,520 --> 00:38:59,680
Speaker 1: talked about a million times, it's the only female character

574
00:38:59,760 --> 00:39:03,319
Speaker 1: we've really see that has narrative impact. She's pretty much

575
00:39:03,320 --> 00:39:06,520
Speaker 1: exclusively defined by how she relates to the men around her,

576
00:39:07,120 --> 00:39:10,000
Speaker 1: and there's like elements of her character that we're given

577
00:39:10,640 --> 00:39:14,279
Speaker 1: that are cool and interesting and just go completely not

578
00:39:14,680 --> 00:39:17,879
Speaker 1: addressed or explored really at all, right, right, right, And

579
00:39:17,920 --> 00:39:21,080
Speaker 1: like we said before, they don't interact on screen together

580
00:39:21,600 --> 00:39:24,160
Speaker 1: Jack and Sally until like halfway through the movie, and

581
00:39:24,200 --> 00:39:27,080
Speaker 1: even in that scene, he's extremely condescending to her. She's like,

582
00:39:27,520 --> 00:39:31,120
Speaker 1: you probably shouldn't like steal other people's like cultures, and

583
00:39:31,160 --> 00:39:35,400
Speaker 1: he's like, make the thing. And then he's like this

584
00:39:35,440 --> 00:39:38,040
Speaker 1: part is red and this part is white, and like

585
00:39:38,239 --> 00:39:41,000
Speaker 1: here's how it looks like. And she's like, dog, I know,

586
00:39:41,320 --> 00:39:46,640
Speaker 1: but like, don't steal other people's cultures. And then yeah,

587
00:39:46,640 --> 00:39:49,279
Speaker 1: there's like the whole like she's stalking him thing. And

588
00:39:49,320 --> 00:39:53,239
Speaker 1: then he doesn't return any like romantic feelings for her

589
00:39:53,320 --> 00:39:57,680
Speaker 1: until the very end, whenever he's impressed that she came

590
00:39:57,760 --> 00:40:02,480
Speaker 1: to save him as far as I could. Hell, but

591
00:40:02,480 --> 00:40:04,200
Speaker 1: but the end, he doesn't even finish this end and

592
00:40:04,239 --> 00:40:09,200
Speaker 1: he's like, wow, you're and then it's like I don't

593
00:40:09,239 --> 00:40:11,120
Speaker 1: know why these two people are about to kiss, but

594
00:40:11,120 --> 00:40:13,040
Speaker 1: we got him to kiss, and then they do, and

595
00:40:13,040 --> 00:40:15,319
Speaker 1: then the movie is really forced at the end, like

596
00:40:15,400 --> 00:40:18,319
Speaker 1: you didn't have to end that way, really, but then

597
00:40:18,600 --> 00:40:20,520
Speaker 1: it's a Disney movie, so you kind of have. But

598
00:40:20,600 --> 00:40:23,240
Speaker 1: like everyone's a I am away message was like looking

599
00:40:23,280 --> 00:40:30,319
Speaker 1: for the Jack to my Sally you but that's the

600
00:40:30,360 --> 00:40:33,720
Speaker 1: thing like Sally's I think she has the one song

601
00:40:33,960 --> 00:40:37,080
Speaker 1: in the movie. Maybe there's a reprise I don't remember,

602
00:40:37,160 --> 00:40:41,319
Speaker 1: but it's about how like, oh ar me and Jack

603
00:40:41,360 --> 00:40:43,560
Speaker 1: going to end up together? I don't know. And then

604
00:40:43,600 --> 00:40:46,600
Speaker 1: all of his songs are like, here's how fucking awesome

605
00:40:46,640 --> 00:40:50,279
Speaker 1: I am. Here's a new thing I discovered and how

606
00:40:50,360 --> 00:40:52,719
Speaker 1: cool I think it is, like here's the things I

607
00:40:52,800 --> 00:40:56,120
Speaker 1: longed for? Like and he never expresses any interest in

608
00:40:56,160 --> 00:40:59,759
Speaker 1: a romantic relationship. Ever. There's a song that comes right

609
00:40:59,760 --> 00:41:07,280
Speaker 1: off Sally's Pitchy Nightmare about how she's horny. That could

610
00:41:07,320 --> 00:41:11,000
Speaker 1: so easily be Jack being like, oh, by the way,

611
00:41:11,320 --> 00:41:16,760
Speaker 1: I also would like love, but he doesn't. The song

612
00:41:16,880 --> 00:41:19,640
Speaker 1: right after the horny song is like I still want

613
00:41:19,640 --> 00:41:27,080
Speaker 1: to be Santa Claus. He's kind of like Vhall selling it.

614
00:41:27,200 --> 00:41:30,120
Speaker 1: By my view, he's in his tower, he's doing experiments.

615
00:41:30,120 --> 00:41:33,479
Speaker 1: He's just not interested in a relationship with asexual icon. Yeah,

616
00:41:33,719 --> 00:41:36,800
Speaker 1: there's or he could just be like, uh, oh, what's

617
00:41:36,800 --> 00:41:44,480
Speaker 1: that Reddit board? No fapping like that. That's the one

618
00:41:44,560 --> 00:41:47,879
Speaker 1: where men convince themselves that if they don't jerk off

619
00:41:47,920 --> 00:41:53,520
Speaker 1: for long enough, they'll like develop superpowers. They're like, I

620
00:41:53,640 --> 00:41:57,320
Speaker 1: can't come until there was literally a guy that told

621
00:41:57,360 --> 00:42:00,400
Speaker 1: me what He's like, Hey, I really like you, but

622
00:42:00,640 --> 00:42:04,120
Speaker 1: unfortunately I cannot do anything sexual until I'm the best

623
00:42:04,120 --> 00:42:12,160
Speaker 1: guitarist in Chicago. So we're so we're assuming he's still

624
00:42:12,200 --> 00:42:18,640
Speaker 1: not fucking d No. Jack seemed to me to be

625
00:42:18,680 --> 00:42:22,120
Speaker 1: one of those kind of guys. Yeah, I can't funk

626
00:42:22,160 --> 00:42:29,799
Speaker 1: till I'm Santa, and then he becomes Santa and that's

627
00:42:29,800 --> 00:42:33,040
Speaker 1: why he's able to that's at the end. Yeah, you

628
00:42:33,200 --> 00:42:36,040
Speaker 1: posted to get like a band. Like dude trying to

629
00:42:36,040 --> 00:42:39,280
Speaker 1: start a band vibe from Jackson Ellington from the start,

630
00:42:39,280 --> 00:42:41,480
Speaker 1: and then I kind of was like, well, Sally wants

631
00:42:41,480 --> 00:42:43,600
Speaker 1: to get with him, that's great, but it's like a

632
00:42:43,719 --> 00:42:46,319
Speaker 1: lifetime of her going to like shitty concerts for like

633
00:42:46,360 --> 00:42:48,480
Speaker 1: the rest of her life and then pretending to like

634
00:42:48,640 --> 00:42:51,200
Speaker 1: the songs even though she's heard them like a thousand times,

635
00:42:51,280 --> 00:42:56,120
Speaker 1: Like that's her future. Uh real Quickly also kind of

636
00:42:56,160 --> 00:42:59,239
Speaker 1: touched on this, but like the ending, whenever Sally is

637
00:42:59,320 --> 00:43:02,799
Speaker 1: like tied up, she's very damseled, like Jack literally has

638
00:43:02,840 --> 00:43:05,239
Speaker 1: to come in and like save her and untie her.

639
00:43:05,320 --> 00:43:10,319
Speaker 1: From The Bad Guy. Very boring slow fight scene. Right.

640
00:43:10,920 --> 00:43:13,480
Speaker 1: Oh but that okay, So that scene at the end

641
00:43:13,480 --> 00:43:16,239
Speaker 1: with the oogy boogeyman still haunts me to this day.

642
00:43:16,280 --> 00:43:19,960
Speaker 1: Whenever he like his thing unravels and then he's filled

643
00:43:20,000 --> 00:43:23,880
Speaker 1: with bugs, so you're either made of leaves or bugs

644
00:43:23,960 --> 00:43:31,799
Speaker 1: or bones and tell him like the all of his

645
00:43:32,080 --> 00:43:40,839
Speaker 1: like he died atom by Adam. I liked that part, like, all,

646
00:43:40,840 --> 00:43:43,000
Speaker 1: if he's dead, we've got less than ten minutes ago,

647
00:43:45,080 --> 00:43:48,080
Speaker 1: I Natalie, I totally agree with like the I don't know,

648
00:43:48,120 --> 00:43:51,000
Speaker 1: like when you're a kid and you have like having

649
00:43:51,040 --> 00:43:54,880
Speaker 1: a stop motion aversion. I used to be really scared

650
00:43:54,960 --> 00:43:57,799
Speaker 1: of like only happened in the eighties and nineties where

651
00:43:57,840 --> 00:44:00,640
Speaker 1: there be like animals and they'd be live action animals,

652
00:44:00,640 --> 00:44:04,400
Speaker 1: but they'd have computer animated mouths like in the movie

653
00:44:04,440 --> 00:44:09,520
Speaker 1: Cats and Dogs. That is not good. What about Babe

654
00:44:10,040 --> 00:44:12,080
Speaker 1: or Babe Pig in the city. No, no, no, no,

655
00:44:12,360 --> 00:44:15,880
Speaker 1: you can't because they're just there's just like long shots

656
00:44:15,920 --> 00:44:20,759
Speaker 1: of living animals digitally manipulated to say things. I don't know,

657
00:44:21,000 --> 00:44:24,719
Speaker 1: it's scary. I think we talked about this on the

658
00:44:24,719 --> 00:44:28,440
Speaker 1: Men in Black episode with the little little Pug dog

659
00:44:28,520 --> 00:44:32,839
Speaker 1: who's like that's a great example of that being very scary,

660
00:44:33,800 --> 00:44:36,600
Speaker 1: and the cat and Stewart little was my like ultimate

661
00:44:37,040 --> 00:44:40,080
Speaker 1: no even even the cute, even the cuteness, so it

662
00:44:40,120 --> 00:44:46,840
Speaker 1: couldn't overpower nothing. You can't do it. Hey Caitlin, Hey Jamie,

663
00:44:46,920 --> 00:44:51,320
Speaker 1: you take a break please, Yes, we can't. Discourse is exhausting.

664
00:44:52,280 --> 00:45:01,759
Speaker 1: Seeing a sack and we're back. I feel refreshed. Yes.

665
00:45:02,280 --> 00:45:05,239
Speaker 1: I wanted to also talk about like the animation and

666
00:45:05,280 --> 00:45:09,440
Speaker 1: the way that Sally looks esthetically, where like the different

667
00:45:09,440 --> 00:45:12,560
Speaker 1: creatures of Halloween Town, like they come in all shapes

668
00:45:12,680 --> 00:45:16,799
Speaker 1: and sizes, but like Sally's body type and her proportions

669
00:45:16,840 --> 00:45:19,920
Speaker 1: are still like it's still adhered to like the ideal

670
00:45:20,280 --> 00:45:25,640
Speaker 1: like western standard of beauty. They're literally people like shaped

671
00:45:25,680 --> 00:45:30,400
Speaker 1: like sorry, game pieces, like just walking around the town.

672
00:45:31,920 --> 00:45:35,040
Speaker 1: I'm so happy people do whatever, by the way, But yeah,

673
00:45:35,120 --> 00:45:38,279
Speaker 1: but she was like model proportioned, like it didn't make

674
00:45:38,280 --> 00:45:44,960
Speaker 1: any sense. So boot It's like an in Ghostbusters where

675
00:45:45,000 --> 00:45:49,359
Speaker 1: there's like all these actual cartoony looking ghosts and then

676
00:45:49,400 --> 00:45:53,719
Speaker 1: there's just like a woman with tits like huge who

677
00:45:53,920 --> 00:45:57,520
Speaker 1: sucks off a Ghostbuster and you're just like, why is

678
00:45:57,600 --> 00:46:01,399
Speaker 1: this the only female ghosts, And I want to be clear,

679
00:46:01,400 --> 00:46:03,680
Speaker 1: I don't mean boo to that body type. I mean

680
00:46:03,760 --> 00:46:06,799
Speaker 1: boo to that being the only representation we see on

681
00:46:06,880 --> 00:46:10,440
Speaker 1: screen of women who can be like romantically appealing, the

682
00:46:10,480 --> 00:46:14,239
Speaker 1: only option. Yeah, she's also like one of the only

683
00:46:14,239 --> 00:46:17,000
Speaker 1: women who lives. There is kind of a Smurfett vibe

684
00:46:17,000 --> 00:46:24,680
Speaker 1: to that. But there are witches and hags, yes, and

685
00:46:24,880 --> 00:46:28,560
Speaker 1: the one shape of water creature who we have to

686
00:46:28,600 --> 00:46:33,279
Speaker 1: imagine is like the funk lord of the town. She's like,

687
00:46:33,360 --> 00:46:37,279
Speaker 1: bring me an egg. God, I need to see that

688
00:46:37,320 --> 00:46:42,840
Speaker 1: movie again. It's so horny. Yeah, it is like frustrating.

689
00:46:42,840 --> 00:46:44,759
Speaker 1: And then the only other female character we really have

690
00:46:45,040 --> 00:46:48,799
Speaker 1: is the one Tricker Treater, who it's worth mentioning is

691
00:46:48,840 --> 00:46:52,600
Speaker 1: the brains of that operation as well, where the three

692
00:46:52,640 --> 00:46:56,040
Speaker 1: Tricker Treaters, Uh, you know, she is kind of in

693
00:46:56,200 --> 00:46:59,319
Speaker 1: charge and they funk up. But every time they funk up,

694
00:46:59,320 --> 00:47:01,920
Speaker 1: she's like, see, I told you we shouldn't have kidnapped

695
00:47:01,960 --> 00:47:06,040
Speaker 1: the Easter Bunny and you're like, Okay, I guess the

696
00:47:06,080 --> 00:47:13,080
Speaker 1: movie is not over. But but even in that, like

697
00:47:13,280 --> 00:47:18,279
Speaker 1: Sally is, Santa says that has to be true. Santa says,

698
00:47:18,320 --> 00:47:20,960
Speaker 1: like she's the smart one and we as an audience, No,

699
00:47:21,280 --> 00:47:23,880
Speaker 1: she's the smart one. Uh. And then even in the

700
00:47:23,920 --> 00:47:28,000
Speaker 1: Tiny Little Trick or Treating Coven, the one woman there

701
00:47:28,280 --> 00:47:30,120
Speaker 1: is the smart one and no one listens to her.

702
00:47:30,200 --> 00:47:32,280
Speaker 1: So just kind of how this movie goes. Well, there's

703
00:47:32,280 --> 00:47:34,439
Speaker 1: a question then, like if she is the smart one,

704
00:47:34,920 --> 00:47:37,640
Speaker 1: why isn't the why isn't it her story? Or like

705
00:47:37,640 --> 00:47:40,719
Speaker 1: why isn't the movie about her? And like from her perspective?

706
00:47:40,960 --> 00:47:45,759
Speaker 1: Because Tim Burton made his Tim Burton Because because this

707
00:47:45,800 --> 00:47:51,720
Speaker 1: is another I would argue Christmas themed male redemption story.

708
00:47:51,920 --> 00:47:54,520
Speaker 1: We see it in The Christmas Girl, we see it

709
00:47:54,680 --> 00:47:58,600
Speaker 1: with the Grinch, but it's like these Christmas figures who

710
00:47:58,640 --> 00:48:02,399
Speaker 1: are like he hate it things and nobody likes me.

711
00:48:03,040 --> 00:48:05,600
Speaker 1: But at the end, I'm going to have a heart

712
00:48:05,760 --> 00:48:09,480
Speaker 1: and everyone would like me because I've redeemed myself. This

713
00:48:09,560 --> 00:48:19,080
Speaker 1: isn't quite that's just queer though, queer baby Grinch, not

714
00:48:19,239 --> 00:48:25,640
Speaker 1: adult grunch. That's not how that works. This is these

715
00:48:25,680 --> 00:48:30,120
Speaker 1: are your rules. But I mean, this isn't so much

716
00:48:30,160 --> 00:48:33,240
Speaker 1: a male redemption story in The Nightmare Before Christmas because

717
00:48:33,840 --> 00:48:37,319
Speaker 1: people already fucking love Jack Skellington, and by the end

718
00:48:37,360 --> 00:48:41,160
Speaker 1: they love him even more. But it's all these like

719
00:48:41,640 --> 00:48:46,359
Speaker 1: uninteresting characters who were like, I'm a shitty man. How

720
00:48:46,440 --> 00:48:49,640
Speaker 1: about I learned something and then people will like me?

721
00:48:49,920 --> 00:48:51,719
Speaker 1: And I just don't know why we have so many

722
00:48:51,760 --> 00:48:54,640
Speaker 1: of those stories when there are smart women like Sally

723
00:48:55,120 --> 00:48:59,400
Speaker 1: whose stories we need to hear. I don't know, do

724
00:48:59,520 --> 00:49:04,959
Speaker 1: we need to hear or Sally's story She's made of leaves? Yes,

725
00:49:06,360 --> 00:49:10,879
Speaker 1: I think that the smartest decision made with this franchise

726
00:49:11,080 --> 00:49:16,200
Speaker 1: is to not continue and after Man. But like nine

727
00:49:16,280 --> 00:49:19,960
Speaker 1: year old Caitlin would have loved the Nightmare before Easter,

728
00:49:20,880 --> 00:49:26,560
Speaker 1: the Nightmare before St. Patrick's Day, the Nightmare before Thanksgiving.

729
00:49:27,280 --> 00:49:29,600
Speaker 1: It would be funny if Jack Skellington just got really

730
00:49:29,600 --> 00:49:35,400
Speaker 1: into Irish people. He's like, guys, ever heard of Ireland?

731
00:49:35,520 --> 00:49:38,440
Speaker 1: It's great? Like none of that ship is making it

732
00:49:38,480 --> 00:49:42,360
Speaker 1: into the Disney Vault ever. Yeah, those are like straight

733
00:49:42,400 --> 00:49:45,799
Speaker 1: to videos sequels. Look, I just I think there could

734
00:49:45,800 --> 00:49:49,799
Speaker 1: have been a franchise. It was a missed opportunity anyway.

735
00:49:50,160 --> 00:49:53,319
Speaker 1: That's like, unfortunately, there's not much to talk about in

736
00:49:53,320 --> 00:49:55,879
Speaker 1: a movie that has one woman who's on screen for

737
00:49:55,960 --> 00:50:00,560
Speaker 1: like eleven minutes. Yeah, there's really not that my to say.

738
00:50:00,600 --> 00:50:03,719
Speaker 1: I mean other than I mean, I think like culturally

739
00:50:03,760 --> 00:50:06,640
Speaker 1: there has been such a glorification of the Sally Jack

740
00:50:06,680 --> 00:50:11,120
Speaker 1: relationship to the I was genuinely shocked that they do

741
00:50:11,400 --> 00:50:15,239
Speaker 1: know each other, but one is extremely disinterested in the

742
00:50:15,280 --> 00:50:18,520
Speaker 1: other person, and they appear on screen together for maybe

743
00:50:19,000 --> 00:50:24,560
Speaker 1: four minutes maximum, like their stories barely intersect, and it's

744
00:50:24,600 --> 00:50:28,759
Speaker 1: supposed to be like, wow, romance. People have tattoos of

745
00:50:28,840 --> 00:50:32,600
Speaker 1: that on their human bodies. They have tattoos with that,

746
00:50:33,600 --> 00:50:37,439
Speaker 1: and like dad didn't did they not know? Maybe they

747
00:50:37,480 --> 00:50:43,840
Speaker 1: have just been to a hot tipic allside, I don't know. Yeah,

748
00:50:44,280 --> 00:50:47,440
Speaker 1: it is well is it also worth noting that because

749
00:50:47,480 --> 00:50:50,400
Speaker 1: we talk about this all the time when men present

750
00:50:50,560 --> 00:50:54,000
Speaker 1: stalker ish behavior in movies, and how troubling that is.

751
00:50:54,080 --> 00:50:57,160
Speaker 1: Like she follows him, he's like he's singing, he's on

752
00:50:57,239 --> 00:51:00,960
Speaker 1: that like spirally mountain thing. And then and it's basically

753
00:51:01,000 --> 00:51:04,000
Speaker 1: an image from Mowanna. They stole from Mohana, is what

754
00:51:04,040 --> 00:51:07,600
Speaker 1: I'm saying, a movie that came about twenty five years later.

755
00:51:09,960 --> 00:51:12,560
Speaker 1: So he's singing a song about how he's like I

756
00:51:12,719 --> 00:51:16,040
Speaker 1: wish there was a different thing for me. It's it's

757
00:51:16,080 --> 00:51:19,040
Speaker 1: the first song about I wish I was Santa every

758
00:51:19,080 --> 00:51:21,280
Speaker 1: song as I wish I was hand and then she

759
00:51:21,280 --> 00:51:24,879
Speaker 1: she's just like lurking in the background, like follows him.

760
00:51:25,160 --> 00:51:28,759
Speaker 1: And then yeah, it's not okay. Stalking no matter what

761
00:51:28,960 --> 00:51:31,719
Speaker 1: gender is not okay. You heard it here first on

762
00:51:31,800 --> 00:51:35,200
Speaker 1: the Bechtel cast. It's really sad if you heard it

763
00:51:35,239 --> 00:51:40,400
Speaker 1: here first. By the way, like logistically, don't follow a

764
00:51:40,480 --> 00:51:49,320
Speaker 1: vaal cell around, like yeah, not until he's the greatest

765
00:51:49,360 --> 00:51:54,600
Speaker 1: guitar player in chicolso then bang his lines he would happen.

766
00:51:55,920 --> 00:51:59,840
Speaker 1: Does anyone have anything else to say about the movie?

767
00:52:00,040 --> 00:52:04,520
Speaker 1: I hate it? That's it. Shall we do some some

768
00:52:04,640 --> 00:52:09,600
Speaker 1: questions from the comments from the audience, Sure, if anyone's

769
00:52:09,600 --> 00:52:12,360
Speaker 1: got them. Does anyone have anything they want to say

770
00:52:12,560 --> 00:52:18,319
Speaker 1: or a question? Come on, talk into the microphone. What's

771
00:52:18,320 --> 00:52:22,440
Speaker 1: your name? Rachel Hi? I was wondering if you guys

772
00:52:22,600 --> 00:52:26,560
Speaker 1: picked up on like problematic racial things with Oggie Boogie

773
00:52:26,560 --> 00:52:31,200
Speaker 1: and if you wanted to speak to that. So Oggie

774
00:52:31,239 --> 00:52:36,240
Speaker 1: Boogie is I think the one character who is voiced

775
00:52:36,239 --> 00:52:44,080
Speaker 1: by a person of color. Oh right, okay, here, I've

776
00:52:44,080 --> 00:52:46,360
Speaker 1: got I am dB up right here, let me invest

777
00:52:47,080 --> 00:52:51,279
Speaker 1: I so Ogie Boogie is voiced by Ken Page. And

778
00:52:51,320 --> 00:53:01,320
Speaker 1: then oh, Undersea Gal ever heard of her, is voiced

779
00:53:01,440 --> 00:53:06,279
Speaker 1: by a woman of color named Carmen Twilie. She also

780
00:53:06,400 --> 00:53:12,440
Speaker 1: voices a character called Man under the Stairs at the

781
00:53:12,520 --> 00:53:17,279
Speaker 1: very beginning of the film. Yes, I am the Oh no,

782
00:53:17,400 --> 00:53:18,759
Speaker 1: that was the bed. I was under the bed, not

783
00:53:18,880 --> 00:53:21,200
Speaker 1: the stairs. I don't know who the Man under the

784
00:53:21,280 --> 00:53:24,960
Speaker 1: stairs is. But um, so yeah, this is a mostly

785
00:53:24,960 --> 00:53:27,640
Speaker 1: white cast. We are not surprised considering it's a Tim

786
00:53:27,640 --> 00:53:30,440
Speaker 1: Burton joint. Although is it a Tim Burton movie? He

787
00:53:30,520 --> 00:53:34,720
Speaker 1: didn't direct it. He Everyone's like it's Tim Burton's Nightmare

788
00:53:34,719 --> 00:53:40,080
Speaker 1: before Christmas. I'm comfortable blaming it on him. Okay, he

789
00:53:40,239 --> 00:53:43,040
Speaker 1: has like a store I think a story by credit

790
00:53:43,040 --> 00:53:46,919
Speaker 1: and he produced it, produced it. So yeah, So he

791
00:53:47,239 --> 00:53:49,200
Speaker 1: is one of the few characters voiced by a person

792
00:53:49,200 --> 00:53:52,960
Speaker 1: of color. And he's also one of I would argue

793
00:53:52,960 --> 00:53:55,120
Speaker 1: two villains in the movie, the other one being the

794
00:53:55,160 --> 00:54:01,000
Speaker 1: mad scientist Dr Finkelstein, who is he co did as Jewish?

795
00:54:01,040 --> 00:54:05,239
Speaker 1: And it's also that problematic, I mean hookie boogie like

796
00:54:05,520 --> 00:54:10,000
Speaker 1: based strictly on the way he is presented, seems like

797
00:54:10,040 --> 00:54:13,880
Speaker 1: he's supposed to be from New Orleans or there's like

798
00:54:14,120 --> 00:54:17,200
Speaker 1: the aesthetic surrounding his lair and he always has a

799
00:54:17,239 --> 00:54:21,960
Speaker 1: pair of dice like there's it's very like stereotypical New

800
00:54:22,080 --> 00:54:27,680
Speaker 1: Orleans like voodoo. Yeah, yeah, so I mean, I I

801
00:54:28,160 --> 00:54:30,840
Speaker 1: it's weird because it's like, it's not like you can't

802
00:54:30,840 --> 00:54:33,399
Speaker 1: have a villain who's a person of color, but if

803
00:54:33,480 --> 00:54:37,240
Speaker 1: that's the only person in the movie, then it's bad.

804
00:54:38,520 --> 00:54:41,680
Speaker 1: Don't have your only character who's voiced by a person

805
00:54:41,719 --> 00:54:45,600
Speaker 1: of color be the one like the villain of the movie. Yeah,

806
00:54:45,680 --> 00:54:51,400
Speaker 1: that's racis in a Timberton movie or like, probably everyone's

807
00:54:51,400 --> 00:54:53,680
Speaker 1: going to be white and if someone is not white,

808
00:54:53,760 --> 00:54:59,880
Speaker 1: it's probably for a racist reason. Right, wasn't the was

809
00:55:00,160 --> 00:55:04,560
Speaker 1: the Peculiar Children whatever? That one was called Mrs Peagan's

810
00:55:05,000 --> 00:55:09,640
Speaker 1: House of Children who Are Peculiar, that's the name of it. Right,

811
00:55:12,239 --> 00:55:14,920
Speaker 1: it wasn't Sam Jackson the only person of color in

812
00:55:14,960 --> 00:55:17,040
Speaker 1: that movie, and he was also the villain? Am I

813
00:55:17,280 --> 00:55:23,480
Speaker 1: right about that? Does anyone know? I'm getting some Okay, okay,

814
00:55:23,520 --> 00:55:28,160
Speaker 1: that's enough for us. So yeah, Tim Burton has a

815
00:55:28,160 --> 00:55:31,319
Speaker 1: as a bad track record when it comes to race

816
00:55:31,600 --> 00:55:34,480
Speaker 1: and like We'll tell you too, which is also crazy.

817
00:55:34,680 --> 00:55:38,040
Speaker 1: He's been outspoken about it. Yeah, go listen to our

818
00:55:38,160 --> 00:55:43,160
Speaker 1: Edward scissor Hands episode for more details. Yeah, are there

819
00:55:43,160 --> 00:55:49,160
Speaker 1: any other questions, comments, thoughts? Yeah? Coming up? Is this

820
00:55:49,200 --> 00:55:52,680
Speaker 1: movie just MoMA mea but clamation because it's a lot

821
00:55:52,760 --> 00:55:56,560
Speaker 1: of expositional songs with not a lot in between, a

822
00:55:56,600 --> 00:55:59,560
Speaker 1: lot of skinny white people that boreb be kind of

823
00:56:00,200 --> 00:56:07,440
Speaker 1: Is it not just Mamma Mia? Yes? I agree that

824
00:56:07,480 --> 00:56:10,920
Speaker 1: Mama Mia is boring and bad. I just watched it

825
00:56:11,000 --> 00:56:13,279
Speaker 1: for the first time too, because my boyfriend's sister wanted

826
00:56:13,320 --> 00:56:15,440
Speaker 1: me to, and I'm just like, I got half an

827
00:56:15,440 --> 00:56:17,400
Speaker 1: hour into it, I'm just like, yeah, so this is

828
00:56:17,480 --> 00:56:23,920
Speaker 1: a series of songs? What is happening? This is Mamma

829
00:56:24,000 --> 00:56:28,040
Speaker 1: Mia is a terrific film that everyone should see, where

830
00:56:28,160 --> 00:56:31,040
Speaker 1: Pierce Brows is giving it a hundred and twenty percent,

831
00:56:31,680 --> 00:56:37,760
Speaker 1: There's there's no reason to dislike Mamma Mia. I didn't

832
00:56:37,800 --> 00:56:40,680
Speaker 1: dislike it. I just didn't like it. Did you see

833
00:56:40,680 --> 00:56:46,799
Speaker 1: all of pierce prosident songs that's as finn Ify and

834
00:56:47,000 --> 00:56:53,160
Speaker 1: like talk about pitchy like he's but he like you

835
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Speaker 1: can tell, you're like who this matters to him? And

836
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Speaker 1: he just a spectacular failure. It was gorgeous. No, but

837
00:57:01,560 --> 00:57:04,520
Speaker 1: I think you're right though it's boring and lots of

838
00:57:04,640 --> 00:57:08,359
Speaker 1: expository singing and not much story that the same thing

839
00:57:08,680 --> 00:57:11,360
Speaker 1: I actually have not, but I do enjoy Abba songs.

840
00:57:11,440 --> 00:57:14,799
Speaker 1: So yet all you have to do to watch Mamma

841
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Speaker 1: Mia is listen to Abba on Spotify or if you're

842
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Speaker 1: like me, wait, did anyone here know about the band

843
00:57:23,120 --> 00:57:26,600
Speaker 1: The A Teens before they knew about Aba? Yes? Okay.

844
00:57:26,640 --> 00:57:29,280
Speaker 1: I was like, there's this awesome band called The A Teens.

845
00:57:30,400 --> 00:57:36,240
Speaker 1: They only sing hits. It's like, why is every eighteen

846
00:57:36,320 --> 00:57:39,439
Speaker 1: song the best song ever? It's because they only sing Yeah,

847
00:57:40,640 --> 00:57:45,960
Speaker 1: there were Swedish teenagers getting away with murder, but there's

848
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Speaker 1: any any other thoughts, comments, concerns, complaints, Oh we've got

849
00:57:56,000 --> 00:58:00,960
Speaker 1: someone yeah, uh, just the To me, it was like

850
00:58:01,440 --> 00:58:05,120
Speaker 1: the ultimate male fantasy playing out where literally they do

851
00:58:05,240 --> 00:58:08,919
Speaker 1: nothing and the whole town loves them, women follow them

852
00:58:08,960 --> 00:58:12,040
Speaker 1: for kind of no reason, and then like they get

853
00:58:12,040 --> 00:58:15,240
Speaker 1: moody and stay inside, and the whole town like comes

854
00:58:15,280 --> 00:58:18,480
Speaker 1: to a screeching halt, like whoa, he's being IMO today,

855
00:58:18,560 --> 00:58:28,680
Speaker 1: Let's figure this out, guys. Yeah, that's so true. True.

856
00:58:28,960 --> 00:58:31,200
Speaker 1: It kind of reminded me of a Bye Bye Birdie

857
00:58:31,200 --> 00:58:34,120
Speaker 1: like Conrad Bertie where like everybody's like fawning over him

858
00:58:34,120 --> 00:58:38,160
Speaker 1: and like falling over themselves, like definitely getting them our boy.

859
00:58:38,320 --> 00:58:43,880
Speaker 1: He said. There there are a few different times where

860
00:58:43,920 --> 00:58:46,160
Speaker 1: in the beginning whenever he just like wanders into the

861
00:58:46,200 --> 00:58:49,520
Speaker 1: woods and like is in Christmas Town, Like the town

862
00:58:49,600 --> 00:58:53,480
Speaker 1: is like we haven't seen Jack raised the alarm. He's like,

863
00:58:53,520 --> 00:58:55,680
Speaker 1: they're so concert he's been gone. Maybe he just like

864
00:58:55,720 --> 00:58:58,320
Speaker 1: stayed over to friend's house. They're like, he hasn't been

865
00:58:58,440 --> 00:59:01,440
Speaker 1: home all night? Me did spend it the night in

866
00:59:01,520 --> 00:59:06,360
Speaker 1: Christmas twn? Yeah, Also, like time works differently in Christmastown

867
00:59:06,480 --> 00:59:10,160
Speaker 1: where your town looks malnourished, Maybe work on that first,

868
00:59:10,240 --> 00:59:15,520
Speaker 1: like beating the people actually lived there. The imagine if

869
00:59:15,560 --> 00:59:21,040
Speaker 1: there were a mayor was like one emotionally unstable citizen

870
00:59:21,280 --> 00:59:23,600
Speaker 1: was gone for the night, and they're like the city

871
00:59:23,720 --> 00:59:29,000
Speaker 1: shut down. I do like his line where he's like

872
00:59:29,240 --> 00:59:36,200
Speaker 1: I can't make decisions. I'm a politician, and you're like scathing.

873
00:59:37,080 --> 00:59:41,680
Speaker 1: All right, we were all afraid to say it, but

874
00:59:41,920 --> 00:59:47,960
Speaker 1: Mr Tim told us and god so a politician too faced?

875
00:59:48,520 --> 00:59:55,840
Speaker 1: WHOA was that a metaphor? You think? Oh god, he

876
00:59:56,560 --> 01:00:04,160
Speaker 1: I love when male auteurs are like get like you know, yeah,

877
01:00:04,240 --> 01:00:11,120
Speaker 1: we know. Yeah, we had one more question. Yeah, come

878
01:00:11,120 --> 01:00:14,960
Speaker 1: on down, come on up. Do we think that Jack

879
01:00:15,120 --> 01:00:24,600
Speaker 1: has or is supposed to have a penis? Yeah? I'd

880
01:00:24,600 --> 01:00:28,400
Speaker 1: like to personally thank you for that question. I was

881
01:00:28,440 --> 01:00:32,400
Speaker 1: waiting for a follow up question like if so, what

882
01:00:32,440 --> 01:00:40,200
Speaker 1: does he come? Oh right, okay, which reminds me, okay,

883
01:00:40,640 --> 01:00:42,320
Speaker 1: give it up. If you're familiar with the wet scap

884
01:00:42,440 --> 01:00:49,000
Speaker 1: dry scap debate, first of all, horrify. That's okay. For

885
01:00:49,040 --> 01:00:51,880
Speaker 1: those of you who are not familiar, I'm so sorry

886
01:00:52,440 --> 01:00:54,880
Speaker 1: for what's about to happen. Let's go, I just got

887
01:00:54,960 --> 01:01:00,920
Speaker 1: debate is an on It's Bechtel cast Cannon than Kalen hits,

888
01:01:00,920 --> 01:01:05,520
Speaker 1: so it's kenned. I like it. Okay, it's just a

889
01:01:05,560 --> 01:01:10,120
Speaker 1: single question on the ballot. If the character Beetle Juice comes,

890
01:01:10,120 --> 01:01:13,800
Speaker 1: we assume he does. If he comes, scabs, are they

891
01:01:13,920 --> 01:01:21,560
Speaker 1: dry or are they wet? Right, We're it's just horrible.

892
01:01:23,400 --> 01:01:26,320
Speaker 1: Not to be clear, we've made the mistake previously of

893
01:01:26,320 --> 01:01:29,320
Speaker 1: offering no scous as an option, but that is sort

894
01:01:29,360 --> 01:01:32,200
Speaker 1: of all over again when we're splitting the vote. So

895
01:01:33,720 --> 01:01:36,880
Speaker 1: it's so your options are wet scows, dry scows. What

896
01:01:37,000 --> 01:01:39,720
Speaker 1: is beld Juice come and just um, I'll close my

897
01:01:39,760 --> 01:01:41,919
Speaker 1: eyes so I don't hold it against anyone in case

898
01:01:41,920 --> 01:01:44,240
Speaker 1: we talked to you after the show. But you clap

899
01:01:44,440 --> 01:01:52,600
Speaker 1: clap if you feel like perhaps bel Juice wouldcome wet scaps. Interesting, uh,

900
01:01:52,600 --> 01:01:58,880
Speaker 1: And if he comes dry scaps, that's pretty even. It's so,

901
01:01:59,360 --> 01:02:04,160
Speaker 1: it's such a polarizing it such a it's the issue

902
01:02:04,160 --> 01:02:11,360
Speaker 1: of our times. The answer for progressive blue wave speaking,

903
01:02:11,360 --> 01:02:16,920
Speaker 1: it's dry scaps. But you know, but speaking to your question,

904
01:02:17,000 --> 01:02:21,440
Speaker 1: does Jack Skellington have a penis? He certally carries himself

905
01:02:21,480 --> 01:02:30,720
Speaker 1: as if he does. Yes, And then follow up question,

906
01:02:31,360 --> 01:02:44,520
Speaker 1: what does he come? Small bones? Can't we all agree

907
01:02:44,560 --> 01:02:49,840
Speaker 1: that's cannon? All right? Well, shall we determine whether or

908
01:02:49,880 --> 01:02:55,400
Speaker 1: not the movie passes the Bechdel test? Well, it sure doesn't.

909
01:02:58,120 --> 01:03:02,280
Speaker 1: Not even club, there are no women who interact. There

910
01:03:02,280 --> 01:03:05,760
Speaker 1: are a few witches and hags next to each other

911
01:03:06,040 --> 01:03:09,439
Speaker 1: who praise Jack Skellingtons, who are fan growing out at

912
01:03:09,600 --> 01:03:12,200
Speaker 1: Jack Skellington, but they're not talking to each other. Also

913
01:03:13,080 --> 01:03:15,880
Speaker 1: there okay, we didn't talk about this, but there's one

914
01:03:15,960 --> 01:03:20,120
Speaker 1: last thing. Okay, there are vampires. We've got ghouls, We've

915
01:03:20,160 --> 01:03:22,640
Speaker 1: got a guy with an axe in his head, We've

916
01:03:22,680 --> 01:03:28,680
Speaker 1: got the hot we've got all manner of creatures, but

917
01:03:28,840 --> 01:03:32,840
Speaker 1: the only creatures who appear to be female identifying are

918
01:03:32,840 --> 01:03:37,560
Speaker 1: either witches, hags, or that shape of water lady, Like,

919
01:03:37,720 --> 01:03:41,440
Speaker 1: why can't there be a lady vampire? Why can't there

920
01:03:41,480 --> 01:03:45,280
Speaker 1: be a lady gool? Like? How come we're pigeonholed into

921
01:03:45,360 --> 01:03:47,760
Speaker 1: these rolls of witches and hags? But I will say

922
01:03:47,800 --> 01:03:52,000
Speaker 1: that the shape of water Lady was very progressive, yes,

923
01:03:52,360 --> 01:03:56,160
Speaker 1: because usually it's the fish man that you raw dog,

924
01:03:59,720 --> 01:04:02,800
Speaker 1: but out it's like Mr Tim makes a good point

925
01:04:03,040 --> 01:04:06,320
Speaker 1: of what if it was a fishwoman that you rack?

926
01:04:07,400 --> 01:04:12,840
Speaker 1: You're right, very progressive, brought brought visibility that we needed

927
01:04:13,560 --> 01:04:17,920
Speaker 1: to the person in that character. I feel like that also,

928
01:04:18,160 --> 01:04:21,320
Speaker 1: like your your line, it feels like you're also asking, like,

929
01:04:21,320 --> 01:04:23,560
Speaker 1: why aren't there more lady serial killers? It was kind

930
01:04:23,560 --> 01:04:26,360
Speaker 1: of looked like it was falling into that scene. Why

931
01:04:26,400 --> 01:04:33,920
Speaker 1: aren't there though, let's start a revolution tonight? No, no,

932
01:04:34,040 --> 01:04:36,960
Speaker 1: I I totally agree, though it is like it's the

933
01:04:37,040 --> 01:04:43,040
Speaker 1: most stereotypical. What are women referred to as? Not? On Halloween?

934
01:04:43,360 --> 01:04:46,240
Speaker 1: It's very rare to see a man referred to as

935
01:04:46,280 --> 01:04:49,520
Speaker 1: a ghoul or a person with an axe in their head.

936
01:04:50,800 --> 01:04:54,240
Speaker 1: But you know, women are called, which is at very least,

937
01:04:54,720 --> 01:04:58,560
Speaker 1: if not a series of far worse where it's on

938
01:04:58,560 --> 01:05:04,720
Speaker 1: on the daily. Yeah. Oops, So anyway, a movie does

939
01:05:04,760 --> 01:05:08,320
Speaker 1: not pass the Bechtel tests. There are no women interacting

940
01:05:08,360 --> 01:05:10,920
Speaker 1: at all. But if they did, I would guess that

941
01:05:10,960 --> 01:05:13,600
Speaker 1: they would be talking about Jack Skellington because they all

942
01:05:13,840 --> 01:05:16,800
Speaker 1: freak and love him. But yeah, hard, no on that one.

943
01:05:17,000 --> 01:05:23,040
Speaker 1: Jack skelling is not even hot. Yeah, Like, he's always

944
01:05:23,040 --> 01:05:26,520
Speaker 1: wearing a suit and he's like, he's like a stand

945
01:05:26,600 --> 01:05:29,920
Speaker 1: up comedian who only wears suits, and you're just like,

946
01:05:30,480 --> 01:05:40,800
Speaker 1: this guy, what's wrong with him? John mulaney fans and well,

947
01:05:40,800 --> 01:05:44,880
Speaker 1: shall we rate the movie on our nipple scale? So

948
01:05:44,920 --> 01:05:48,439
Speaker 1: this is a scale of zero to five nipples, where

949
01:05:48,440 --> 01:05:51,000
Speaker 1: we rate it based on its portrayal and representation of

950
01:05:51,040 --> 01:05:55,240
Speaker 1: women in the movie. I'm going to give this half

951
01:05:55,360 --> 01:05:59,640
Speaker 1: nipple because, um, while we do see Sally make a

952
01:05:59,720 --> 01:06:02,439
Speaker 1: few active choices in the movie, which some of which

953
01:06:02,480 --> 01:06:05,600
Speaker 1: do kind of influence the story, but mostly not really,

954
01:06:06,080 --> 01:06:10,840
Speaker 1: and she does have a few skills, but again, most

955
01:06:10,880 --> 01:06:16,240
Speaker 1: of them are very stereotypically like feminine, domestic skills and

956
01:06:16,480 --> 01:06:18,800
Speaker 1: she has to be saved at the end, she's all

957
01:06:18,880 --> 01:06:23,160
Speaker 1: damseled and she stocks the hero. But then they kiss,

958
01:06:23,360 --> 01:06:26,080
Speaker 1: which is usually how those narratives go. So it's just

959
01:06:26,240 --> 01:06:30,080
Speaker 1: you know, par for the course. But um, yeah, she

960
01:06:30,080 --> 01:06:33,360
Speaker 1: she's the only woman in the town except for a

961
01:06:33,400 --> 01:06:37,840
Speaker 1: few witches, and it's yeah, not not great. So one

962
01:06:37,880 --> 01:06:41,480
Speaker 1: half nipple and it's going to Sally and she can

963
01:06:41,520 --> 01:06:49,160
Speaker 1: probably detach it from herself. Natalie, what say, Um, is

964
01:06:49,200 --> 01:06:53,200
Speaker 1: it possible to give it negative to Yes? Can I go?

965
01:06:53,480 --> 01:07:01,080
Speaker 1: But like, can I invert my we do it. It's

966
01:07:01,120 --> 01:07:04,240
Speaker 1: part of the deal. No, I'm similar to what you

967
01:07:04,280 --> 01:07:06,000
Speaker 1: were saying at the end, Like the fact that they

968
01:07:06,040 --> 01:07:08,920
Speaker 1: had to like try to like shoehorn like a romance

969
01:07:09,480 --> 01:07:11,920
Speaker 1: or any type of thing like that into this movie

970
01:07:12,200 --> 01:07:14,640
Speaker 1: like just shows like what the creators of the movie

971
01:07:14,840 --> 01:07:17,120
Speaker 1: thought of her the entire time. It's just like, yeah,

972
01:07:17,160 --> 01:07:18,920
Speaker 1: you can give her some of these skills or some

973
01:07:18,960 --> 01:07:20,680
Speaker 1: of these things are really cool. She's like really good

974
01:07:20,680 --> 01:07:23,280
Speaker 1: with potions, but in the end, it was like somebody

975
01:07:23,320 --> 01:07:25,560
Speaker 1: that was subservient to a dude, and you can roll

976
01:07:25,600 --> 01:07:32,320
Speaker 1: with that. Yeah, negative nipples scary. I'll go over the

977
01:07:32,360 --> 01:07:36,320
Speaker 1: half as well. The Sally character, and like all characters

978
01:07:36,360 --> 01:07:39,880
Speaker 1: of like the tokenizing the female character in a movie,

979
01:07:40,320 --> 01:07:44,920
Speaker 1: especially in like nineties movies, like I feel certain that

980
01:07:45,320 --> 01:07:48,200
Speaker 1: Tim Burton Slash everyone involved in the writing of this

981
01:07:48,240 --> 01:07:51,640
Speaker 1: movie thought they were doing a very cool, progressive, empty

982
01:07:51,680 --> 01:07:55,600
Speaker 1: girl power gesture by even including Sally and the story

983
01:07:55,680 --> 01:07:58,919
Speaker 1: and giving her a skill that wasn't like just being

984
01:07:58,960 --> 01:08:04,400
Speaker 1: able to be fucked the end, because that is I mean,

985
01:08:04,440 --> 01:08:06,520
Speaker 1: that's like a lot of like eighties and nineties movies.

986
01:08:06,560 --> 01:08:09,160
Speaker 1: There's they're like, no, it is cool, and like female

987
01:08:09,240 --> 01:08:12,640
Speaker 1: characters are, she can do something. The end game for

988
01:08:12,680 --> 01:08:15,760
Speaker 1: her is exactly the same, and she has no options

989
01:08:15,800 --> 01:08:17,960
Speaker 1: except the end game that has been subscribed since the

990
01:08:17,960 --> 01:08:20,519
Speaker 1: beginning of time. But like, look a potion and you're

991
01:08:20,560 --> 01:08:23,439
Speaker 1: just like it's it's I don't know, it's even more

992
01:08:23,520 --> 01:08:25,800
Speaker 1: sinister to me because it's being sold to you is

993
01:08:25,880 --> 01:08:28,439
Speaker 1: like this is progress, and you're like, this is just

994
01:08:28,760 --> 01:08:32,880
Speaker 1: a more accurate representation of someone who might exist with

995
01:08:33,240 --> 01:08:38,240
Speaker 1: also no options. Worth noting, though the screenplay is by

996
01:08:38,320 --> 01:08:44,560
Speaker 1: a woman, Caroline Thompson, she should be in jail her

997
01:08:44,640 --> 01:08:46,800
Speaker 1: last redeeming, like if she wanted to create a bunch

998
01:08:46,800 --> 01:08:51,479
Speaker 1: of stembooks like for chemistry, Sally, that could be her.

999
01:08:52,000 --> 01:08:54,519
Speaker 1: Do you make fog juice? We all want to know,

1000
01:08:56,240 --> 01:08:58,920
Speaker 1: But well, the story was by Tim Burton, so he

1001
01:08:58,960 --> 01:09:01,320
Speaker 1: was probably just like He's like, I have to French

1002
01:09:01,400 --> 01:09:06,360
Speaker 1: kiss Johnny Depp for five hours a day or I'll die.

1003
01:09:07,479 --> 01:09:11,559
Speaker 1: So I'm gonna have to outsource this one. Uh yeah,

1004
01:09:11,640 --> 01:09:16,880
Speaker 1: half Nevel given it to the fish Lady. Great well, Natalie,

1005
01:09:17,360 --> 01:09:25,160
Speaker 1: thank you so much for being here. Where can people

1006
01:09:25,479 --> 01:09:29,519
Speaker 1: follow you online? And what would you like to plug? Yeah? So, um,

1007
01:09:29,560 --> 01:09:32,839
Speaker 1: I have a website Natalie McGill dot com where upcoming shows.

1008
01:09:33,000 --> 01:09:37,400
Speaker 1: I'm on Twitter at Natalie s McGill and on Instagram,

1009
01:09:37,439 --> 01:09:42,519
Speaker 1: I'm at hoot Holler's Snap. Thank you to Pete and

1010
01:09:42,560 --> 01:09:46,479
Speaker 1: everyone here the Drafthouse Comedy Theater. Um listeners at home,

1011
01:09:47,360 --> 01:09:50,080
Speaker 1: check this place out if you're ever in town. Wonderful

1012
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Speaker 1: and give it up for yourselves. Thank you so much

1013
01:09:52,040 --> 01:10:00,680
Speaker 1: for coming out. Um. So that was our episode. I

1014
01:10:00,680 --> 01:10:03,400
Speaker 1: hope you liked it. You were feeling the energy in

1015
01:10:03,439 --> 01:10:06,880
Speaker 1: the room, um, and which just all my cousin. I

1016
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Speaker 1: felt her the cousin is present. So we just wanted

1017
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Speaker 1: to say thank you again to our guest. The wonderful,

1018
01:10:15,240 --> 01:10:18,200
Speaker 1: Natalie Miguel, Thanks again to everyone who came out to

1019
01:10:18,520 --> 01:10:20,439
Speaker 1: that live show and anyone who has ever come out

1020
01:10:20,479 --> 01:10:23,120
Speaker 1: to any of our live shows. Always the best, always

1021
01:10:23,120 --> 01:10:26,519
Speaker 1: the best time. And also one more thanks to Pete

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Speaker 1: and everyone at the Drafthouse Comedy Theater. So much fun.

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Speaker 1: can follow us if you don't already on social media

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Speaker 1: on Facebook so little these days that well, Martain Serbert

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Speaker 1: is a cyber criminal. Hell been unders during the world.

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Speaker 1: on HBO. Yes, but not what I was saying, but yes, anyway,

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Speaker 1: so yeah, follow us there at Bechtel Cast. You can

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Speaker 1: can find our merch on t public. Yes, just in

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Speaker 1: If you're hearing this on the day this episode drops, well,

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Speaker 1: first of all, thanks for like being up to date.

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Speaker 1: I'm just going to drop with our content. Seems like

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Speaker 1: the website of the kind of website where everything is

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Speaker 1: kind of always on sale, so like, get it. It's

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Speaker 1: set them. Also get our Matren. Yes, five dollars a

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Speaker 1: month for two extra episodes in December is the time

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Speaker 1: to join because we are doing shitty Hallmark slash Netflix

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Speaker 1: Christmas movies. What a time to be alive. I'm so excited.

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Speaker 1: So everyone thinks again for listening, and you know, have

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Speaker 1: a great freaking week. We cherish you have a great week,

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Speaker 1: all right, Bye bye,