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Speaker 2: Back inside the Biltmore in Phoenix, Arizona, closing down our

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Speaker 2: second hour of coverage here on I don't even know

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Speaker 2: if it's right to call it Radio Row. It's more

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Speaker 2: like a radio couple of three games of booths here.

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Speaker 2: It's just us, the Texans and the Jets doing live radio.

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Speaker 2: But joining us now is a name and a voice

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Speaker 2: that you're all familiar with if you are regular listeners

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Speaker 2: to SNR and to the Drive. It's our budd, Chris

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Speaker 2: Halleck of dk Pittsburgh Sports. Chris, what's up man? Thanks

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Speaker 2: for taking the time And got to imagine you're enjoying

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Speaker 2: this sunshine a little bit, just like we are, to.

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Speaker 3: The point where I've tried to not but like bothered

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Speaker 3: my wife a little bit, who does not like the

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Speaker 3: cold weather, likes the hot weather, born and raised in

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Speaker 3: Texas and everything, and so she sees she's like, what's

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Speaker 3: they be? Like, what do you think the weather's going

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Speaker 3: to be? She's just then I got some really angry

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Speaker 3: texts and everything.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna say, you two are a little younger than

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Speaker 1: me your your your hasn't been married as long, you

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Speaker 1: haven't been fathers as long and whatnot? Really longer than

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Speaker 1: I thought, But I've learned quickly, Like don't take pictures

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Speaker 1: of the dinner that the Steelers bought you that's like

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Speaker 1: surf and turf, or send it home when they're eating

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Speaker 1: like stakhems, or don't send you know, weather here couldn't

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Speaker 1: be better, blah blah blah, Like nobody's happy for you

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Speaker 1: back home.

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Speaker 2: So you're saying the picture of the sunshine and the

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Speaker 2: palm tree that I sent my wife this morning, and

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Speaker 2: that one might get me in the doghouse and we

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Speaker 2: get back on.

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Speaker 1: Wednesday, bizar. She's not like, Oh, I'm so happy, Wes

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Speaker 1: is having a great time. Right, I'm here with the

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Speaker 1: two kids.

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Speaker 4: Chris.

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Speaker 2: Let's get into it, man pluggy, that we want to

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Speaker 2: discuss with you a lot of different rule proposals, by

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Speaker 2: law proposals. That's kind of the meat and potatoes of

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Speaker 2: what's going on here the next few days. What stands

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Speaker 2: out to you, What do you think is the most

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Speaker 2: intriguing thing on the documents?

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Speaker 3: Kind of boring to me, but it's maybe it's just

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Speaker 3: because I like practic like the practicality of it right now,

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Speaker 3: the way things are, when somebody gets placed on IR

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Speaker 3: before the season, they have to miss four games and

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Speaker 3: you're not allowed to return them to practice until after

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Speaker 3: those four games are gone. There's a proposal on the

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Speaker 3: table to allow that player to have their twenty one

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Speaker 3: day window opened uh after I think the first game,

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Speaker 3: so that they could then practice while still going through

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Speaker 3: those four games that they have to minteresting and that way,

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Speaker 3: if they are going to miss those four games, they've

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Speaker 3: already been practicing and then they can make that decision. Hey, okay,

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Speaker 3: they're at the end of their twenty one day window.

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Speaker 3: We're gonna go ahead and activat them, and then they

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Speaker 1: How does it sit now?

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Speaker 3: Because right now it's four games. No matter what, you

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Speaker 3: can't go back to practice or anything. You're you're out

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Speaker 3: for four games. Obviously, when guys then first get back

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Speaker 3: one day window. So like in theory, they're out for

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Speaker 4: So this way, especially if it's.

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Speaker 3: An injury where you're like, hey, we know we're not

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Speaker 3: and then he can do three whole weeks of practicing

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Speaker 3: in that process right now, of being out for those

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Speaker 4: That's not the way it is right now. Okay, So

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Speaker 1: You propose, it seems like that's an obvious Yes.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, the practicality of it makes so much sense that

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Speaker 1: This already answer? Why do you take this long?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that one's that one kind of stood out to me.

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Speaker 1: Okay, are you in favor or not of being able

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Speaker 4: I'm not really a fan of it, and we don't

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Speaker 2: We don't it would be I worry that it would

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Speaker 2: get too NBA ish where you would get halfway through

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Speaker 2: the season. Yeah, and a third forty percent of your

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Speaker 1: And just watching the lesser product from all.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I don't, I don't, I know, I don't like.

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Speaker 3: I think three years out is pretty I think that's

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Speaker 3: not I'm not a fan of that at all. I'm

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Speaker 3: of the other ones. But yeah, that was a That

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Speaker 3: was another one that's kind of fun the Steelers proposal

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Speaker 3: of you know, making what thing last year permanent.

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Speaker 2: Explain the behind the scenes and kind of the logistics

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Speaker 3: So the negotiating window is is funny because it's like

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Speaker 3: that again this is what they did last year or

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Speaker 3: was just on a one year trial basis, and so

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Speaker 3: now they want to make it permanent again with the

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Speaker 3: fact that it was voted in, and I don't I

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Speaker 3: haven't heard anything about like this went terribly. This is

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Speaker 3: like I would think that's another slam dunk.

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Speaker 4: Uh.

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Speaker 3: But you know, we'll see whenever the owners get together

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Speaker 1: I couldn't figure out a five was a big number

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Speaker 1: maybe it's a good place to start. And yeah, there

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Speaker 1: next year we might be talking about, oh it's bump day,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and then you can always you can always adjust.

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Speaker 3: I think that's what like like the whole point of

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Speaker 3: if the trial goes well, okay, then let's vote to

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Speaker 3: make it a permanent rule. But then that rule can

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Speaker 3: continue to be amended Okay, that's too many players, let's

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Speaker 4: So I think that's why, like these meetings.

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Speaker 3: While like they don't grab a lot of headlines unless

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Speaker 3: like these meetings are productive for sure and definitely helps

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Speaker 2: Chris Alec with us here on the drive. Chris, what

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Speaker 2: are you hearing about? Matt and I were having some conversations,

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Speaker 2: starting to get a little worried that we're going to

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Speaker 2: that ensued in twenty twelve a repeat of that here.

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Speaker 2: What are you hearing on that front? Do you share

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Speaker 3: There's definitely concern whenever the two sides aren't talking. There's

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Speaker 3: always concern about that for those like those were baseball fans,

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Speaker 3: you know, you know, lockout, you start, you know, it's

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Speaker 3: it's almost and an inevitability at this point because the

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Speaker 3: and if they're not talking, that's never a good sign.

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Speaker 3: But what else are you gonna do? Like, you know,

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Speaker 3: this is part of what negotiating is, and sometimes you know,

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Speaker 3: you know, certain sides will do certain things to get

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Speaker 3: gonna be who's gonna blink first? The good thing from

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Speaker 3: the referees perspective is they saw, like everybody saw how

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Speaker 3: poor they went last time. The referees didn't forget that,

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Speaker 3: and fans haven't forgotten that.

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Speaker 2: It's been almost fifteen years, but I think we all

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Speaker 3: We've and and there's gonna be you know, potentially if

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Speaker 3: if Aaron Rodgers does come back, who will remember that?

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Speaker 3: Uh, that will be something fun to talk about if

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Speaker 3: it gets to that. Hopefully it doesn't. But when the

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Speaker 1: So speaking to Rogers, So kind of a two part

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Speaker 1: question here. Yeah, if he decides he doesn want to

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Speaker 1: do you think they pivot to a Cousins or a

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Speaker 3: Not as a starter, not as not as an unquestioned

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Speaker 3: the day you signed the contract, you're automatically QB one.

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Speaker 1: I don't think that. You think, Okay, well, what do

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Speaker 1: you think would happen?

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Speaker 4: You?

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Speaker 1: Do you think they would even go down either one

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Speaker 1: of those type of roads.

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Speaker 3: What I would think is they would try to bring

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Speaker 3: in a veteran to go along with what they have.

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Speaker 1: Me like that, Yes, okay, that's had start a game.

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Speaker 3: And then it would be something along the lines of, Okay,

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Speaker 3: and potentially you also have another quarterback that's drafted.

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Speaker 1: That's my two part question too, is do you think

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Speaker 1: they draft a mid round guy?

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Speaker 3: Yes, I would lean toward them taking a quarterback in

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Speaker 3: this class, Rogers or not. That's what I That's what

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Speaker 3: I am leaning toward right now based on what I've

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Speaker 3: heard of just what I would do. But if Rogers

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Speaker 3: is not part of the equation, I think he will be.

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Speaker 3: But if he's not, I think what you'll have by

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Speaker 3: the time training camp opens in La Trobe, you'll have

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Speaker 3: a legitimate quarterback competition going on. That's what I think

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Speaker 3: you'll you'll see. I don't think anybody is going to

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Speaker 3: be quarterback competition could be four really, yeah, because you'll

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Speaker 3: bring in four quarterbacks. Now, I would think that whoever

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Speaker 3: would be drafted, whether it be Ty Simpson, maybe if

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Speaker 3: it's Ty Simpson, you draft him in the first round,

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Speaker 3: he'd get a good look. But if it's more of

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Speaker 3: And that's why when when you when you think about

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Speaker 4: Still young, Yeah, he's still young.

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Speaker 1: So therefore, in other reasons, I look at left side

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Speaker 3: I think the way the first round goes, I don't

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Speaker 3: think Vega from Penn State will be there at twenty one.

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Speaker 4: Up to get him.

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Speaker 3: He's that type of a player I like, like, I'm

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Speaker 4: Possibly, he could.

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Speaker 3: Be a stable force in the on the interior of

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Speaker 1: Hoffmin is not a throwaway at all.

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Speaker 4: We I don't think it's a throwaway at all.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think I think you'll real a legitimate competition

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Speaker 3: a lot. My graduations of Spencer brother he just got married,

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Speaker 4: That's awesome.

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Speaker 2: Chris Alec DK Pittsburgh Sports Great Stuff is always one

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Speaker 2: of our regulars here on the Drive, albeit this time

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Speaker 2: about three thousand miles away from home, dude, but twenty

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Speaker 2: five hundred miles away with three thousand sounds better. We'll

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Speaker 2: stick with that, Chris. Thanks for taking the time, man,

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Speaker 2: enjoy yourself this week.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, we'll do man. Thanks for having me, guys,