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Speaker 4: QUI is sweam in the quick.
Speaker 5: Said?
Speaker 1: I was thirteen?
Speaker 5: Yeah, I love the baby. Wait where was the this guy's.
Speaker 4: Chris brother?
Speaker 1: This guy stakes?
Speaker 3: Can we start over?
Speaker 6: Just like now?
Speaker 5: You know how I felt the other day.
Speaker 3: Nah, shut up, Okay, the uh good and terrible Oh Man, guys,
Speaker 3: Micah Parsons is no longer a Dallas cowboy.
Speaker 4: What it is done?
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, the.
Speaker 4: Movie actually one of the radar yesterday and.
Speaker 3: I went home after lunch, Yesterdakay, well you missed quite
Speaker 3: about oh darn the news reigning down at about three
Speaker 3: fifty five Central time. It was really kind of interesting.
Speaker 3: Our entire department of writers and on air personality and
Speaker 3: anybody with the media except for the managers. We're all
Speaker 3: in an HR meeting. It just like not like a
Speaker 3: bad HR meeting. It was a scheduled thing and it
Speaker 3: was just one of those place evaluation sort of situations.
Speaker 3: And then immediately Tommy arch is like they traded michaeh.
Speaker 3: Let's go like we all stormed.
Speaker 7: Out of there and then feel bad because I need
Speaker 7: to go to h Hard apologize because I I just said,
Speaker 7: I'm sorry.
Speaker 5: We have to go do this, we have to go
Speaker 5: take care of this.
Speaker 4: Weird and of course they understood.
Speaker 3: They did, but I hope so definitely did.
Speaker 5: We don't have a letter on my desk when we
Speaker 5: get back up.
Speaker 4: No, of course not.
Speaker 8: No, it made sense.
Speaker 3: Cowboys trade Micah Parsons to the Green Bay Packers. In return,
Speaker 3: they get a twenty twenty six and twenty twenty seven
Speaker 3: first round pick. Then they get Kenny Clark, interior defensive
Speaker 3: lineman from the Packers, a three time Pro bowler coming
Speaker 3: off probably his worst year as a pro in the
Speaker 3: n af fell. But he's twenty nine years old, still
Speaker 3: has some tread left on the tires, and it gives
Speaker 3: you a nose tackle to build around on that defensive front.
Speaker 3: The Packers didn't go on to sign Micah to a
Speaker 3: four year, one hundred and eighty eight million dollar extension
Speaker 3: with one hundred and thirty six million of that guaranteed.
Speaker 3: That's the situation. What just happened, Patrick, We talked about
Speaker 3: it already.
Speaker 4: Yesterday a little bitty podcast.
Speaker 3: But wow, even after a night's sleep, and it was
Speaker 3: a rough night's sleep.
Speaker 2: Yeah, even after a night's sleep, I woke up with
Speaker 2: the same, the same simple thought, which was wow, that
Speaker 2: actually happened. And again I can't stress enough how how
Speaker 2: wild it is to see the regression of the relationship
Speaker 2: between Michael Parsons and the Dallas Cowboys deteriorated.
Speaker 3: I mean, oh quickly.
Speaker 2: Goodness, too. I mean from just last year. Jerry Jones
Speaker 2: and Michael Parsons. They're sitting at the Cotton Bowl. They're
Speaker 2: having a beer, they're eating their hot dogs, They're enjoying themselves.
Speaker 2: Michael Parsons says, I want to be a Cowboy forever.
Speaker 2: Jerry Jones and Stephen Jones they're saying, yes, we want
Speaker 2: him to be a Cowboy forever. Michael Parsons grew up
Speaker 2: a Cowboys fan. It's the storybook ending right wrong because
Speaker 2: at some point in that chronology and again check out
Speaker 2: Tommy Yash's story of the chronology on Dallas Cowboys dot
Speaker 2: Com follows everything that occurred in that timeline, but for
Speaker 2: it to end up being irreconcilable. I've I've been thinking
Speaker 2: about have I ever seen a situation like this with
Speaker 2: the Cowboys in my time being alive? And the answer
Speaker 2: is no, because we've seen contentious contract negotiations. It's a
Speaker 2: thing here. It's a thing. Dak Prescott on a couple
Speaker 2: of occasions, DeMarcus Lawrence on a couple of occasions. Ceedee
Speaker 2: Lamb had chose to hold out Zach mar and was
Speaker 2: absent in camp until he got a pay increase and
Speaker 2: it goes back even further than that. So we all
Speaker 2: had the thought, this isn't entirely different from that. This
Speaker 2: is the this is the show. Okay, in the end,
Speaker 2: they'll hug it out, they'll be friends, much like CD did,
Speaker 2: much like DAK did, so forth and so on. But
Speaker 2: the more this dragged on, the more it started to
Speaker 2: feel like they might actually get a divorce. And then
Speaker 2: earlier this week it became possible, and then as early
Speaker 2: as a couple of days ago it became probable, and
Speaker 2: then likely, and then, like Tommy said yesterday, we're sitting
Speaker 2: in the HR meeting and hopefully we're not fired this
Speaker 2: afternoon for running out of.
Speaker 5: The HR meeting, Please forgive us.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the meteor hits the planet, and yeah, he's going
Speaker 2: to the Green Bay Packers. So the Packers effectively got
Speaker 2: what we talked about yesterday is their new Reggie White
Speaker 2: and the cow Boys have some things to figure out.
Speaker 5: You know.
Speaker 7: I go back to just talking with some people this
Speaker 7: week and last night. I go back to the meeting
Speaker 7: in March that happened between Jerry Jones, Steven Jones, and
Speaker 7: Michael Parsons, when effectively they sat down and negotiated this
Speaker 7: framework of a contract in certain terms of the contract,
Speaker 7: and for the most part, came to an agreement. And
Speaker 7: I think when you look at the past with Jerry Jones,
Speaker 7: he's a big He's big on trust and if you
Speaker 7: don't have Jerry Jones's trust, you're gone.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I.
Speaker 7: Think there is a part of an element to this
Speaker 7: where when Michael Parsons wanted to get his agent involved,
Speaker 7: which by the way, I fully agree with him doing.
Speaker 7: I mean, the guy's twenty six years old, it's his
Speaker 7: first major contract negotiation. Of course you get an agent involved.
Speaker 7: But I think when the offer was out on the
Speaker 7: table and then it was presented to Jerry Johns saying hey,
Speaker 7: we're going to have to redo this, I think that
Speaker 7: rubbed them the wrong way. And I think that was
Speaker 7: one of the reasons why this ended up being the case, is,
Speaker 7: you know, he thought that they had something. He thought
Speaker 7: Michael Parsons was going to be taken care of. He's
Speaker 7: going to be the highest paid non quarterback in NFL history,
Speaker 7: the most guaranteed money for a non quarterback in NFL history,
Speaker 7: and it was taken off the table. And you see,
Speaker 7: we've heard Jerry talk about that a couple of times
Speaker 7: now since then that hey, we had a deal knocked out.
Speaker 7: We had a deal knocked out. But in this case,
Speaker 7: should emotions be the reason why you can't get something done? Ultimately?
Speaker 7: I don't think so, you know. I think I think
Speaker 7: you try to find a way to move past it.
Speaker 7: But I think there are other factors and layers to
Speaker 7: this too, you know. I thought it was really interesting
Speaker 7: just some of the things that Jerry was saying yesterday
Speaker 7: when he was asked about how do you tell the
Speaker 7: locker room this or how do you convince the locker.
Speaker 5: Room to move forward?
Speaker 7: And Jerry said, I feel good about where we're at
Speaker 7: in the locker room, maybe better. And I think that's
Speaker 7: really telling. That's really telling about, you know, how he
Speaker 7: feels like this team is going to go moving forward.
Speaker 7: At the end of the day, when I link at
Speaker 7: the compensation, I think they could have gotten.
Speaker 4: More just because absolutely, I.
Speaker 7: Mean, players like Michel Parsons don't come around very often,
Speaker 7: and players like Michael Parsons aren't available for trade very often,
Speaker 7: so teams are going to give up a lot to
Speaker 7: get him. And I'm not saying Kenny Clark's not a
Speaker 7: good player. I'm not saying two first round picks isn't good.
Speaker 7: I think you could have gotten more. And you know,
Speaker 7: I think the timing of all this, with it being
Speaker 7: a week away from the season, certainly has a part
Speaker 7: to do with it too. But it is a unprecedented
Speaker 7: trade and one that I mean, we might never cover
Speaker 7: a trade like this ever again. But now you know,
Speaker 7: you got to very quickly turn your focus to Philadelphia
Speaker 7: here in six days.
Speaker 8: I think there's just a bit of shock to all
Speaker 8: of this. When we were talking about it yesterday, Tommy's
Speaker 8: saying in the moment, like this might be the biggest
Speaker 8: trade in Nful history. I was the quote that I'm
Speaker 8: pulling from Tommy Yrsh And at the time when you
Speaker 8: said that, I was sort of in like, I don't know, man,
Speaker 8: because it kind of felt like this might be happening,
Speaker 8: like I was. And granted, we're in the building, we're
Speaker 8: hearing these kind of rumblings going on, and I guess
Speaker 8: for me, the shock of it all was him going
Speaker 8: to Green Bay.
Speaker 4: Of all places.
Speaker 8: Whe that's a thorn, been a thorn in the side
Speaker 8: of the Cowboys for a very long time. That to
Speaker 8: me was the most shocking of it all, but also
Speaker 8: outside looking in, this might be the biggest trade to
Speaker 8: happen in NFL history at this point, like looking at
Speaker 8: not just the name of the player, but where he's
Speaker 8: at in his career. It's four years in. He's not
Speaker 8: quite hit his prime yet. And speaking of prime, you
Speaker 8: look at the Dean Sanders being traded from the Atlanta
Speaker 8: Falcons and you know that for them, how difficult that
Speaker 8: must have been in that scenario. You're looking at it
Speaker 8: right now and you're having to cope with these things.
Speaker 8: You're going through the stages of grief because a lot
Speaker 8: of people really love this player. One thing that I've
Speaker 8: that Patrick just mentioned is Jerry He's always gets this
Speaker 8: guy paid. Dak paid, Zeke paid, Emmitt paid. You know,
Speaker 8: all of these the guys that you'd expected. Jerry doesn't
Speaker 8: say he pays his guys. Was Michael Parson really that guy?
Speaker 4: Did?
Speaker 8: I mean, ultimately, after all of this, you know, they
Speaker 8: talked about leadership, They talked about how since March it
Speaker 8: feels and not necessarily I don't think this is the
Speaker 8: grand scheme. I don't think this is the grand plan.
Speaker 8: I'm not trying to put that out there and say like,
Speaker 8: oh yeah, they thought of this from the beginning. It's
Speaker 8: been this grand master plan that they've had. But was
Speaker 8: part of this any part of this attest to his leadership.
Speaker 8: They moved him next to Dak Prescott to improve his leadership,
Speaker 8: dragging this contract situation out and ultimately saying like, Okay,
Speaker 8: we're gonna do the same thing we did with Dak.
Speaker 8: He didn't get the contract. The contract negotiations is done
Speaker 8: in the offseason, so you're gonna have to pay on
Speaker 8: that fifth year option. He decides to go get a
Speaker 8: second opinion, possibly, you know. To me, at every point
Speaker 8: this felt like testing his leadership skills and if he
Speaker 8: was able to get past that hump and show that
Speaker 8: he was willing to do what it took to play
Speaker 8: for the Dallas Cowboys. So when he's laying on the
Speaker 8: table in the preseason, when he's he's showing disinterest for guys,
Speaker 8: his teammates that are out there attempting to play for
Speaker 8: their football lives. And Micha Parsons is a made guy.
Speaker 8: He's going to play, there's no doubt about it. He's
Speaker 8: made the team, of course, but the disinterest that he
Speaker 8: showed on the sideline, the disrespect that he showed to
Speaker 8: his fellow players, intended or not, for the big picture,
Speaker 8: intended or not, I think that showed them what they
Speaker 8: needed to see.
Speaker 2: As your question, Michael Parsons was absolutely a Jerry Jones guy,
Speaker 2: much like Dak Prescott is, Ceedie Lamb is, Emmitt Smith was,
Speaker 2: Ezekiel Elliott was DeMarcus Lawrence was because it was Jerry
Speaker 2: who ultimately called DeMarcus and said, you know what, enough
Speaker 2: is enough. Let's hash this out, and they got it
Speaker 2: hashed out. Michael Parsons and Jerry Jones had a relationship
Speaker 2: prior to this dissolution that is rarely seen. I mean,
Speaker 2: like Jerry Jones even said it in the press conference yesterday,
Speaker 2: only three people have his phone number.
Speaker 4: Michael Parsons was one of those.
Speaker 2: I think that's a blatant Maybe Tad is the second person.
Speaker 2: Patrick No, No, his his lovely wife is the third.
Speaker 2: But of course that was a tongue in cheek statement. Sure,
Speaker 2: but what he was trying to say is that's how
Speaker 2: close they were. So there was not simply a fracture.
Speaker 2: There was a hard split in the planet underneath that relationship.
Speaker 4: And I believe that or split.
Speaker 2: Yes, it ultimately ended up with we could argue that,
Speaker 2: and it's a justifiable argument that him lying on the
Speaker 2: table impacted it. I agree optics wise, I agree that
Speaker 2: it did, but scale back earlier than that. It really
Speaker 2: goes down to the point where he was Jerry Jones's guy.
Speaker 2: Jerry Jones had the offer out there for him. Jerry
Speaker 2: even said yesterday, we don't know if it's exactly true.
Speaker 2: We'd have to hear from Micah and his representatives see
Speaker 2: if it's true. But he said that the guaranteed money
Speaker 2: that was offered by the Cowboys was greater than the
Speaker 2: guaranteed money he ended up getting from the packers. So
Speaker 2: what I'm saying here with that point is is that, yes,
Speaker 2: Jerry was willing to pay him.
Speaker 4: He said it several times. We could have signed him.
Speaker 4: We were willing to sign him.
Speaker 2: But what did Jerry consistently harken back to something you said?
Speaker 4: Trust? He trusted. His perception of.
Speaker 2: The engagement was that we had this deal negotiated and
Speaker 2: then you came back and tried to use our negotiation
Speaker 2: as the floor for a new negotiation. He just that
Speaker 2: broke the trust. So from there everything spiraled out of control.
Speaker 8: What he said is they wanted to start to get
Speaker 8: negotiations where I end.
Speaker 7: Where it ended, right, And you know, I think the
Speaker 7: interesting part too was Jerry confirming our good friend Jane
Speaker 7: Slater's report that you know, at the end of the day,
Speaker 7: he came up to Jerry Johnson there, Jerry Jones came
Speaker 7: to Michael Parsons when he and his representatives tried to
Speaker 7: come back and rekindle negotiations and said, look, either play
Speaker 7: on your fifth year or let's no more. And Michael
Speaker 7: Parsons didn't want to play on his fifth year, rightfully,
Speaker 7: So I mean, he deserves his money, I think, and
Speaker 7: he and it ends up being traded.
Speaker 6: Now.
Speaker 7: I don't know if the offer that was on the
Speaker 7: table from Dallas was that much less than Green Bays,
Speaker 7: but nonetheless, you know, he was.
Speaker 4: Less than forty seven, Yeah, forty seven.
Speaker 5: It was less than forty seven.
Speaker 7: Yeah, I don't know if it was substantially less than
Speaker 7: forty seven, none of that.
Speaker 5: There's nothing, there's nothing that we can do about it now.
Speaker 4: Green Bay clear of the fence.
Speaker 5: But yeah, they did.
Speaker 3: They did. When you look at a player like Micah
Speaker 3: Parsons and I've got a stat here from Pro Football
Speaker 3: Focus highest pressure rates over a four season span in
Speaker 3: NFL history. Actually it's in the NFL, but it since
Speaker 3: two thousand and six. I'm going to name some guys
Speaker 3: on this list. Von Miller, Aaron Donald, Nick Bosa, Miles Garrett,
Speaker 3: JJ Watt, Alden Smith who of course was great early
Speaker 3: in his career but kind of fizzled out later, Khalil Mack,
Speaker 3: DeMarcus Ware, Dwight Freeney. You get what I'm doing, right.
Speaker 3: You know who's at the top of that list. Michael
Speaker 3: Parsons is at the top of that list, not second
Speaker 3: or third or fourth behind these other great names. He's
Speaker 3: top of the list. So to see a player traded
Speaker 3: four years into a career where those four years, this
Speaker 3: is not the first four years of a career compared
Speaker 3: with Aaron Donald and Von Miller and all these different guys,
Speaker 3: this is the best four year span and that Von Miller,
Speaker 3: Aaron Donald, Nick Bosa and all these guys had in
Speaker 3: terms of doing their job the right way and getting
Speaker 3: pressure on an opponent. And Michael Parsons was better than
Speaker 3: those guys over his first four years as a part
Speaker 3: of the NFL. I like two first round picks.
Speaker 4: I do.
Speaker 3: Don't get me wrong. I love the draft show. I
Speaker 3: love the NFL draft. This team has been good at drafting.
Speaker 3: I love getting first round draft picks. They haven't picked
Speaker 3: in the first round twice since two thousand and eight.
Speaker 3: It's been a long time since this front office has
Speaker 3: done it. I love it. I like Kenny Clark. I
Speaker 3: think Kenny Clark's a good player. He was banged up
Speaker 3: a little bit last year, played through injury, had a
Speaker 3: down year. Like I said at the start of the show,
Speaker 3: Kenny Clark is a good player, don't get me wrong.
Speaker 3: But for the conversation to stop there, that's where I
Speaker 3: have the problem. Correct, That's where if you wanted to
Speaker 3: throw in another at least Day two pick a second
Speaker 3: or a third, then maybe we at least I feel
Speaker 3: a little bit better about this whole situation. Maybe you
Speaker 3: throw in Edrin Cooper, who's a young defender that can
Speaker 3: kind of play a role in your defense, in your
Speaker 3: front seven, and he would be another toy for Matt
Speaker 3: Eberflus to play with when it comes to Devari and
Speaker 3: Overshown coming back. Having those two guys next to each
Speaker 3: other would have been a brilliant time. How about some
Speaker 3: of the other players on this Packers roster that are
Speaker 3: young and have some upside. I mean, I don't know
Speaker 3: if any of those guys were ever in the conversation,
Speaker 3: but what we know is that it's two first round picks,
Speaker 3: it's Kenny Clark, and for those two things, or those
Speaker 3: three things to come together and try and match the
Speaker 3: production that Micah had through his first four years. And
Speaker 3: I'm just talking on the field. I'm talking football here.
Speaker 3: I don't think you're gonna have that.
Speaker 5: Equal And maybe we do.
Speaker 3: Maybe Dallas has a great couple of drafts and they
Speaker 3: go bang bang bang bang with these four first round picks,
Speaker 3: or you package it and you get the future of
Speaker 3: your franchise with the first round picks in tow whenever
Speaker 3: you've got those over the next two years. Maybe that's
Speaker 3: the case. But right now I'm looking at it, and
Speaker 3: that's a high ceiling and a high expectation to ask
Speaker 3: for because you had the future of your franchise on defense,
Speaker 3: and all you had to do was push the check
Speaker 3: across the table the right way. Now, I know there
Speaker 3: are two sides to this, and I know Michah Parsons.
Speaker 3: There is a there was a fine rift, and that
Speaker 3: rift wasn't just from one side, it was from both sides.
Speaker 3: So I'm not blaming the entire thing on the front office.
Speaker 3: I'm not blaming all of it on Michael Parsons as well.
Speaker 3: But as a Cowboys fan, somebody that grew up watching
Speaker 3: this team, enjoyed watching guys like DeMarcus where play football
Speaker 3: and lead a defense. Micah could have been that because
Speaker 3: the number show he was better than that. He could
Speaker 3: have been that throughout his entire career, and now we
Speaker 3: don't get a chance to see it. This isn't Luka Doncic.
Speaker 3: Let me just say that too, for those that are
Speaker 3: comparing it to Luca, This is not Luca. It wasn't
Speaker 3: a surprise thing in the middle of the night where
Speaker 3: Luca is stunned by and crying and he's going to
Speaker 3: l a and and he's upset in the press conference
Speaker 3: and they get one first round pick and Anthony Davis
Speaker 3: who can't stay on the court. It's not This is
Speaker 3: not Luka Doncic. None of that is true.
Speaker 4: No, it's true, But.
Speaker 3: I'm just saying I'm a mass fan too. It's not Luca,
Speaker 3: but it's also not right at the same time. That's
Speaker 3: kind of where I'm at.
Speaker 2: So there there are a lot of levels and layers
Speaker 2: to this that that I take issue with, but I'm
Speaker 2: gonna I'm going to jump right on that particular compensation
Speaker 2: point my thing. And I even tweeted this earlier yesterday
Speaker 2: when the smell of the trade started to kind of
Speaker 2: waft more and more, I said, I want your entire soul. Yeah,
Speaker 2: two planets, right, I want, I want it right, So
Speaker 2: two planets and the solar we need, Jupiter and Saturday,
Speaker 2: we need the rings that come.
Speaker 4: All at I want both of your dogs out the weed.
Speaker 4: That's a bar. So you have Yeah, you did, you did.
Speaker 3: I didn't catch it's because I piggybacked on Josh's points
Speaker 3: through that HR yesterday.
Speaker 4: Nice.
Speaker 2: So what the Cowboys got was a compensation package. What
Speaker 2: I what I wanted for Michael Parsons was a hall,
Speaker 2: an absolute hall.
Speaker 4: It's a good compensation, but.
Speaker 3: I agree with it. They're not pulling up a good.
Speaker 2: Compensation package for a record setting, potential future Hall of
Speaker 2: Fame talent.
Speaker 4: The scale is off balance.
Speaker 2: I think that that's the problem I have with that
Speaker 2: poor see the Luca.
Speaker 3: Trade broke the scale in the wrong direct, in the
Speaker 3: wrong it broke it. I don't think this breaks the scale,
Speaker 3: but it is.
Speaker 8: It's it's I mean, it's definitely it's hard to think
Speaker 8: you could have gotten more.
Speaker 4: It's it's really hard to think hard.
Speaker 3: Do you think you couldn't have gotten more?
Speaker 5: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I agree with you. I think if you would
Speaker 3: have thrown in another talented player a starter, you give
Speaker 3: me two starters and two first round picks.
Speaker 2: But on top of that, let's go back to Josh's point,
Speaker 2: not only what I have the other team's name, notwithstanding
Speaker 2: I wanted a haul, you're telling me it's the Packers.
Speaker 2: I absolutely demand it, because this is the same Packers
Speaker 2: team that has owned you, and not just in general,
Speaker 2: but on your own field.
Speaker 4: They've lost it on their field.
Speaker 2: I mean, this goes back and now, what you've done
Speaker 2: is taken an NFC contender and you've made them that
Speaker 2: much better without immediately quantifying your what you view as
Speaker 2: an upgrade as equal to their upgrade. So even if
Speaker 2: you are Jerry Jones and you're toying this line of
Speaker 2: Kenny Clark, and again I do agree with Kyle Kenny
Speaker 2: Clark had a down year last year, and we'll get
Speaker 2: to that, but he's one year removed from a career
Speaker 2: high season seven and a half seven and forty four
Speaker 2: combined tackles and force fumbles and pass deflections. Yeah, he's
Speaker 2: only one year moved from that. We'll see if eba
Speaker 2: fus can get him back to that point. So this
Speaker 2: is not a not to Kenny Clark. What I'm saying is,
Speaker 2: if you're going to give me Kenny Clark, and I
Speaker 2: love the two first round picks, I need more knowing
Speaker 2: that me giving you Michael Parsons takes you and puts
Speaker 2: you potentially, We'll see how it all plays out. Did
Speaker 2: the Cowboys just put the Packers in the NFC Championship game?
Speaker 4: You made it?
Speaker 2: And if that's the case, I needed to weaken you more. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I needed to weaken you more. If I'm going to
Speaker 2: strengthen you so much so in this capacity, I need
Speaker 2: it to be an equal exchange of some sort.
Speaker 4: And it's just not an equal exchange.
Speaker 3: You're saying you needed a cheese tax.
Speaker 2: I needed a cheese cheese tax if anyone in the NFC,
Speaker 2: and I just could not have seen them making an
Speaker 2: NFC East trade for Michael Parsons that would have.
Speaker 4: And Jerry said that to Arry was like, but outside of.
Speaker 2: The NFC East, if it's within this conference, I'm applying
Speaker 2: an additional tax on this transaction. And not only was
Speaker 2: the tax now applied, but you could argue that the
Speaker 2: packers walked away with a discount.
Speaker 8: And you're trading them to a contender. Yeah, Micah Parsons,
Speaker 8: one of the best players in the NFL, trading to
Speaker 8: a contender effectively making your draft picks worse.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but of the.
Speaker 2: Threat because now you're not unless the less they implode.
Speaker 2: You're not talking top ten, top fifteen. You're talking late
Speaker 2: twenties thirties, which makes it essentially a high second round pick.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 7: I'll say this too, though, you know, in terms of
Speaker 7: the compensation, I'm completely agree with all you guys.
Speaker 3: I think they could have gotten more.
Speaker 7: And they should have got and they should have gotten more,
Speaker 7: and they should have gotten more. Jerry Jones, I think
Speaker 7: looked at this as herschel Walker two point oh. There
Speaker 7: was never going to be a haul like herschel Walker
Speaker 7: one point oh.
Speaker 3: I don't.
Speaker 7: I think that's just one of a kind. There's never
Speaker 7: gonna be something like that in NFL history ever again.
Speaker 7: But I think you look and you make a good
Speaker 7: point about if the Packers are contending for a Super Bowl, now,
Speaker 7: that's gonna be twenty five twenty in terms of you know,
Speaker 7: when they pick in the first round. So my thing is,
Speaker 7: did the Cowboys look at this and say, we're gonna
Speaker 7: use this as stock or as another asset to try
Speaker 7: and move up, try and move up in twenty six
Speaker 7: and or twenty seven. Good, you've got the opportunity to
Speaker 7: do that. I know Jerry John said yesterday, Hey, we
Speaker 7: could use one of these to go get somebody right now.
Speaker 1: Right now.
Speaker 5: I don't see that happening.
Speaker 7: I think, you know, so would you go get Yeah,
Speaker 7: we're six we're six days away from the season.
Speaker 5: I highly doubt it.
Speaker 7: So you know that, I think that's how they That's
Speaker 7: how they look at it, whether or not that I'm
Speaker 7: not here to tell you what's right and what's not right.
Speaker 5: That's just how I think they're looking at it.
Speaker 7: And I think you look at twenty twenty six, twenty
Speaker 7: twenty seven, those draft claspecifically, twenty twenty seven, there's gonna
Speaker 7: be some and we're gonna talk about it on the
Speaker 7: Draft Show. There's gonna be some really good players in
Speaker 7: twenty twenty seven. You want to watch one of them,
Speaker 7: turn on Texas Ohio State on Saturday and watch Colin
Speaker 7: Simmons the edgeress for a Texas play. You're going to
Speaker 7: see a guy who who who can want to talk
Speaker 7: about who can wreck the game?
Speaker 3: Ohio State.
Speaker 4: He felt me to make sure.
Speaker 7: Well, I mean, I'm just saying, if we if we're
Speaker 7: talking about edge rushers to put the long hand.
Speaker 5: Well, yeah, okay, if you want to, if you want
Speaker 5: to go watch for.
Speaker 8: A guy that says, go dogs every five minutes.
Speaker 4: Thank you, Josh, thank you.
Speaker 7: If you want to go watch a wide receiver, that
Speaker 7: might be Leo Jones two point zher go watch number
Speaker 7: four and Scarlet and Gray hopefully not catching the ball
Speaker 7: very much on Saturday.
Speaker 5: But yeah, you know that's.
Speaker 7: How I see them kind of picturing this thing if
Speaker 7: they can make it, you know, if this is their
Speaker 7: herschel Walker two point oh and Jerry Jones talked about
Speaker 7: yesterday kind of not necessarily resetting things, but giving this
Speaker 7: staff a clean slate going into their first year. I
Speaker 7: think that was really important is getting something done before
Speaker 7: the season started, so we didn't have to go into
Speaker 7: the year asking Brian Schottenheimer every week about Michael Parsons.
Speaker 5: So now you've got a clean slate.
Speaker 4: So here's the added angle.
Speaker 2: So when they start talking about flipping picks, absolutely that's
Speaker 2: a possibility. I also don't see that happening six days
Speaker 2: before you go to Philadelphia, but the trade deadlines out
Speaker 2: until the beginning of November, so we'll see how that
Speaker 2: plays out. But if you're going to enter that negotiation
Speaker 2: with other teams and saying, yeah, we got these additional
Speaker 2: two first round picks, we're willing to have a conversation
Speaker 2: with those gms are looking at you saying the same
Speaker 2: thing that we're saying right now. They're saying, well, who's
Speaker 2: picks were they initially Green Bays?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 1: True.
Speaker 5: Now you're your point.
Speaker 3: I want to talk more about this because there is
Speaker 3: some flexibility now, and I want to set it up
Speaker 3: the way that Cowboys fans. I know, the Micah Parsons,
Speaker 3: we've already established this. The compensation wasn't ideal, but it's
Speaker 3: what we have. It's what Dallas has to work with
Speaker 3: over the next couple of years. So what can be next?
Speaker 3: What is next on the horizon. What's some of the
Speaker 3: different positives that come from this, because it's not all negative,
Speaker 3: there are some positives. When we come back on talking cowboys,
Speaker 3: we move on to this trade is now done? What's
Speaker 3: next on the table? Right after this?
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Speaker 3: there is still something to smile about even today. Cowboys Nation,
Speaker 3: we appreciate you joining us, We really do. I see
Speaker 3: the YouTube chat. I've watched it every single time. There's
Speaker 3: a lot of you in there today, and I get
Speaker 3: it because there is a lot of negative out there.
Speaker 3: I know there's a lot of positive too. I'm reading
Speaker 3: the chat there too. There's a split. It's pretty much
Speaker 3: the majority is upset about the trade. And I get it.
Speaker 3: You just traded an all pro, one of the best
Speaker 3: of all time at what he does in the first
Speaker 3: four years of his career. I get it. There's gonna
Speaker 3: be some negativity there, but it's not all negative. Talked
Speaker 3: about two first round picks gives you some flexibility. Not
Speaker 3: signing Micah Parsons to a forty forty plus million dollar
Speaker 3: deal gives you some flexibility in the salary cap. You
Speaker 3: get an interior defensive lineman that you've been desperately searching for.
Speaker 3: I know he's twenty nine, I know he's coming off
Speaker 3: of a down year. Don't give me all that. Kenny
Speaker 3: Clark is the best defensive tackle, nose tackle you've had
Speaker 3: here in a long time. He's just instantly before he
Speaker 3: gets off the plane, and he is already one of
Speaker 3: the best you've had here in a long time. Whatever
Speaker 3: condition he's yeah, I don't yeah, And he's been practicing,
Speaker 3: so he's in good condition.
Speaker 1: He's fine.
Speaker 7: And Kenny Clark last year was probably going to be
Speaker 7: your best defensive tackle in that down down year.
Speaker 3: So there are positives here. Yes, it could have been more.
Speaker 3: We've already established that. If you're just joining a show,
Speaker 3: go back and watch it. We've already talked through all that.
Speaker 3: Where do you feel like the biggest positive is for this?
Speaker 3: Is it the flexibility? Is it the salary cap room?
Speaker 3: Is it the current turnaround? I don't think it's the
Speaker 3: current turnaround. I think twenty twenty five. This is not
Speaker 3: a move for twenty twenty five. This is a move
Speaker 3: that ends in twenty twenty seven with the first round picks,
Speaker 3: and what you do with these four first round picks
Speaker 3: over the next two years that's going to define what
Speaker 3: this move means for your franchise.
Speaker 2: Really, it depends the answer to that question. Depends upon
Speaker 2: actions taken with the resources achieved or acquired, I should say, so, yes,
Speaker 2: you have the two first round picks that you add
Speaker 2: it to your bucket if you choose to flip those
Speaker 2: who are you flipping those four if you don't choose
Speaker 2: to flip those who are you using those picks on?
Speaker 2: And will those picks turn into Michael Parsons and someone
Speaker 2: else's hope? That's what you hope. But that's hope is
Speaker 2: not a strategy. Shouts out to Isaiah Stanbeck and Kyla Yomena. Yeah,
Speaker 2: because that's your favorite saying, and it's right. I know
Speaker 2: you're the og of that though, thank you. But so
Speaker 2: it same applies to when it comes to the salary
Speaker 2: cap space. So by not, first of all, let me
Speaker 2: be clear, because it's still too many people saying, well,
Speaker 2: if you signed Michael Parsons then it would have hit
Speaker 2: the twenty five.
Speaker 4: No, it wouldn't.
Speaker 2: If it would have added eighteen million dollars, Now you
Speaker 2: could have talked about next year the year after. But
Speaker 2: by not, by trading Michael Parson's away, you now get
Speaker 2: that fully guaranteed twenty four million dollars back onto your cap.
Speaker 2: So if you account for the three million dollar hit
Speaker 2: that is coming along with Kenny Clark. You're floating around
Speaker 2: forty forty million dollars forty forty one million dollars in
Speaker 2: salary cap space for twenty twenty five. If you don't
Speaker 2: use any of that, you can roll one hundred percent
Speaker 2: of it over in twenty twenty six. I get it.
Speaker 2: Tommy Broke brought it up yesterday. Great point. You have
Speaker 2: contract extensions coming up with Tyler Smith, Deron Bland, some
Speaker 2: of these other guys. That being said, back to my
Speaker 2: original point, you have all this money and you have
Speaker 2: these extra picks.
Speaker 4: We won't know if.
Speaker 2: This worked out in the cowboys favor until I see
Speaker 2: what you're doing free agency with your forty forty one
Speaker 2: million dollars, assuming that's what you still have in addition
Speaker 2: to the cap space you'll be awarded when things go
Speaker 2: up next year. We don't know if if the roster
Speaker 2: is going to be improved in twenty twenty six and
Speaker 2: twenty twenty seven because of this trade, because we don't
Speaker 2: know who you're going to pick, and we don't know
Speaker 2: if that those picks are going to pan out. Oh,
Speaker 2: we don't know if you want to flip the picks
Speaker 2: for a veteran who's going to come in on a
Speaker 2: blockbuster situation. But I do agree that Kenny Clark is
Speaker 2: instantly full stop. Like Josh said, instantly your best nose tackle,
Speaker 2: which leads us to a conversation will have at another point,
Speaker 2: what does that mean for Mozzie Smith?
Speaker 4: That what does that even.
Speaker 2: Mean for Perry On Winfrey who earned his spot because
Speaker 2: now it's it's Perry On Winfrey versus Mozzie Smith. With
Speaker 2: Kenny Clark staring you right in the face as you're
Speaker 2: starting nose.
Speaker 4: Tackle, Yeah, in the way, three twenty pounds in the lough.
Speaker 4: He's a lot. He's a lot, and he's in the way.
Speaker 3: I kind of want to just sticking on that point.
Speaker 3: Sorry to cut you out, O gosh. When it comes
Speaker 3: to the edge rusher position, we talked about it on
Speaker 3: our Matten ratings earlier in the week, right, our edge
Speaker 3: rusher spot was pretty good across the board. You felt
Speaker 3: good about it with Micah. Yes, they are at least
Speaker 3: group Without Micah, they're not. It's just playing and simple.
Speaker 3: They're not an elite group. But are they still a
Speaker 3: strength of this football team. I would argue yes, Sam Williams,
Speaker 3: Marshawn Nelan Donovan Ezeraku. They are. There's still a lot
Speaker 3: to be proven there, but you've invested in that position
Speaker 3: and you have some talent there. So even if they
Speaker 3: go from being elite down to good, okay, you've got
Speaker 3: a good at shrudger room. Did your interior defensive line
Speaker 3: just go from being a bad interior defensive line room
Speaker 3: to at least an adequate one? Yes, adequate, maybe borderline,
Speaker 3: depending on how much is able to play or question mark? Yeah, good,
Speaker 3: question mark. I think your defensive line is still fine.
Speaker 3: It's okay. And Jerry talked about it yesterday. A lot
Speaker 3: of the press conference was kind of rambling and it
Speaker 3: wasn't all put together, but one of the things I
Speaker 3: thought was interesting is he said coach Eberflus was confident
Speaker 3: that they could scheme pressure, and I think with the
Speaker 3: unit that they have, in the personnel they have, they
Speaker 3: can scheme pressure. Will it be Micah Parson's pressure, No,
Speaker 3: it will not.
Speaker 2: Just don't anticipate and you're going to get your linebackers
Speaker 2: and the safety is involved.
Speaker 3: I was going to come in, They're going to be fine.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 7: It was Steven that said you can scheme pressure. You
Speaker 7: can't scheme stopping the run, which is true, which is true. Yeah,
Speaker 7: but this is still, in my opinion, just an okay
Speaker 7: defensive tackle room, like, yes, it got better, but.
Speaker 3: I don't sign, I don't know if you're right, you're
Speaker 3: head that twenty four hours.
Speaker 5: Oh absolutely it was not good. No, it wasn't good.
Speaker 3: So yes, anything was better, right, anything was better.
Speaker 7: But to say that, all right, run defense done, We're good, Yeah,
Speaker 7: that's not that's that's not the case.
Speaker 5: That's not the case. I show it now much less.
Speaker 7: You know, all this talk about, hey, we wanted to
Speaker 7: improve the run defense, rightfully, so they have been horrible
Speaker 7: against the run the last couple of years. It's what's
Speaker 7: bit them in the playoffs, it's what's bit them in
Speaker 7: the regular season. You want a really good test of
Speaker 7: how good your run defense is, you got Saquon Barkley
Speaker 7: coming up in six days. When the Eagles offensive line
Speaker 7: that is really good, really good left to right. They're
Speaker 7: creative in the run game. They get those guys in
Speaker 7: space the left side of their their offensive line. We're
Speaker 7: going to talk about this next week, And here we
Speaker 7: go the sneak sneak preview for that little gameless plug
Speaker 7: but the Eagles are super creative and how they get
Speaker 7: their offensive lineman moving that left side of the offensive
Speaker 7: line when they get out in space. It is half
Speaker 7: a ton of mass just pushing you out of the way.
Speaker 3: So you ever seen that scene in The Lion King?
Speaker 5: Which one?
Speaker 4: Which one?
Speaker 1: One?
Speaker 3: More? Move? Fassa dies?
Speaker 7: Spoilers, Sorry to anybody who has watched WAT Classics.
Speaker 2: Spoil that's kind of cool. The Lion dies? Is that
Speaker 2: the reference you're using?
Speaker 4: Oh, nikes, Kyle, too soon, Kyle is scarred.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 4: I was just saying that was moving. You did it,
Speaker 4: That's all I was.
Speaker 7: Yeah, no, but they've gone all right, Thanks for hosting, Kyle.
Speaker 7: But yeah, they get up the field, they get out
Speaker 7: in space, and of course Saquon Barkley just ran for
Speaker 7: two thousand yards.
Speaker 5: So there's your test. There's your test.
Speaker 7: And if you're if you if you go out into
Speaker 7: that game, they don't stop the run and say, okay, well,
Speaker 7: you know, Kenny Clark's only been here for six days.
Speaker 7: You know you got to give him some time, all right,
Speaker 7: you playing later again in the year later, you can
Speaker 7: try again, but you know.
Speaker 4: Three weeks later.
Speaker 7: Oh yeah, by the way, yeah, Josh Jacobs comes into town,
Speaker 7: and it's just I.
Speaker 2: Tell you what I want to do because you sparked
Speaker 2: a thought in my head because Kenny Clark. You mentioned
Speaker 2: that obviously the Cowboys are playing the Eagles, and it
Speaker 2: just struck me, Hey, that means that there's plenty of
Speaker 2: film on Kenny Clark versus the Saquon Barkley and the
Speaker 2: Eagles from the last year's postseason game. So looking at
Speaker 2: the stats Kenny Clark finished that game that the Eagles
Speaker 2: did walk away with the win, but they only scored
Speaker 2: twenty two points, so the Packers defense was pretty effective
Speaker 2: and containing those guys. Let's see Saquan Yeeson did saque things.
Speaker 2: He had one nineteen with a four point eight average.
Speaker 2: Kenny Clark had five combined tackles, and I'm interested, So
Speaker 2: I'm gonna actually, after the show, I'm going to use
Speaker 2: sometime today, I'm going to dissect some Kenny Clark film
Speaker 2: against the Eagles. Let's see, because assuming that he does
Speaker 2: play in six days, even if it's on a pitch count,
Speaker 2: let me see how much he's upgrading this defensive tackle room.
Speaker 2: So follow me on Twitter if you're not already, because
Speaker 2: I'm going to do a breakdown on Kenny Clark versus
Speaker 2: the Eagles.
Speaker 4: Let's see how he does there.
Speaker 3: You go, all right, we got to take our second break.
Speaker 3: When we come back, I'm going to read some of
Speaker 3: these comments about this lion king thing, because this is hilarious.
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Speaker 3: bit early because we're talking about Kenny Clark. We're talking
Speaker 3: about the move that was made yesterday by Jerry Jones.
Speaker 3: They're both gonna be upstairs say his name and we've
Speaker 3: got here. Yeah, we've got to go be there and
Speaker 3: be a part of that quickly. Seth does get our
Speaker 3: comment of the day. He said Kyle might be scarred,
Speaker 3: but Cowboys Nation is scarred. That's the comment of the day.
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Speaker 4: This year, but we eve don't like it.
Speaker 3: Patrick Noci Walker, Josh Rodriguez, Tommy Yarish, Chris Beam in
Speaker 3: the back. Does this change just to wrap up the show?
Speaker 3: Does this change the twenty twenty five win total for
Speaker 3: you one way or the other.
Speaker 8: No, I do not think you were in championship contention
Speaker 8: this year with Michael Parsons. I don't think that is
Speaker 8: the case now. I think this is a soft slash
Speaker 8: hard rebuild with the current coaching staff. I mean, I
Speaker 8: think it would be a lot to expect of them
Speaker 8: to reach championship with his new coaching staff. But I
Speaker 8: think you're doing your best to build the correct culture
Speaker 8: around you. This does feel in a lot of ways
Speaker 8: like a culture move, and you know it sucks.
Speaker 4: I don't like it.
Speaker 8: I think you could have gotten more, and Michael Parsons
Speaker 8: is going to play really well for all sixteen games
Speaker 8: out there in Green Bay. But at least for me
Speaker 8: here for now, I think you're building towards the future
Speaker 8: and that's the best you can hook for right now.
Speaker 8: Mind you, I said sixteen games for Michael Parsons.
Speaker 2: No, it doesn't, because for me it's a little bit
Speaker 2: less than a wash. It upgrades your defensive tackle position,
Speaker 2: your nose tackle positions specifically, Absolutely true. But Dante Fowlers,
Speaker 2: you're only proven edge rusher. Yeah, everybody else has a
Speaker 2: lot of potential, a lot youth, but it's potential yeah,
Speaker 2: and it hasn't been realized quite yet. So what you're
Speaker 2: doing is taking your best defensive player off of the field,
Speaker 2: sending him out of town for good. And you're looking
Speaker 2: at Dante Fowler rightfully so, but then a lot of
Speaker 2: unproven pieces. So that we talked about the scale earlier,
Speaker 2: that doesn't balance with the upgrade at nose tackle because
Speaker 2: the upgrade of nose tackle isn't as substantial as what
Speaker 2: Micah gave you over the first four seasons fifty two
Speaker 2: and a half sex in sixty three games, plus the
Speaker 2: pressures in the names that you mentioned, Von Miller, Aaron
Speaker 2: Donalds of the World, Reggie Weiss and things like that.
Speaker 2: So no, for me, it doesn't move the needle in
Speaker 2: the Cowboys positively in the Cowboys direction as far as
Speaker 2: the win loss record is concerned.
Speaker 7: All right, yeah, just real quick for me, I was
Speaker 7: at eight nine. I think we're still at eight nine.
Speaker 3: That's probably right around where I'm at. That's gonna do
Speaker 3: it for us here on talking Cowboys. We got to
Speaker 3: get out of here, go catch up with Kenny Clark
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