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Speaker 3: Ladies and gentlemen, welcome into the first Say It with

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Speaker 3: Your Chest Friday of the twenty twenty five season. It's

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Speaker 3: twenty four hours. It is a Friday edition of Talking

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Speaker 3: Cowboys present by Black Rifle Coffee Company. We have Patrick

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Speaker 3: Nosey Walker, Josh Roderiguez, Tommy Yarrich with Chris Chris Beam

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Speaker 3: in the back.

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Speaker 4: QUI is sweam in the quick.

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Speaker 5: Said?

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Speaker 1: I was thirteen?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I love the baby. Wait where was the this guy's.

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Speaker 4: Chris brother?

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Speaker 1: This guy stakes?

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Speaker 3: Can we start over?

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Speaker 6: Just like now?

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Speaker 5: You know how I felt the other day.

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Speaker 3: Nah, shut up, Okay, the uh good and terrible Oh Man, guys,

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Speaker 3: Micah Parsons is no longer a Dallas cowboy.

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Speaker 4: What it is done?

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, the.

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Speaker 4: Movie actually one of the radar yesterday and.

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Speaker 3: I went home after lunch, Yesterdakay, well you missed quite

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Speaker 3: about oh darn the news reigning down at about three

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Speaker 3: fifty five Central time. It was really kind of interesting.

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Speaker 3: Our entire department of writers and on air personality and

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Speaker 3: anybody with the media except for the managers. We're all

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Speaker 3: in an HR meeting. It just like not like a

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Speaker 3: bad HR meeting. It was a scheduled thing and it

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Speaker 3: And then immediately Tommy arch is like they traded michaeh.

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Speaker 3: Let's go like we all stormed.

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Speaker 7: Out of there and then feel bad because I need

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Speaker 7: to go to h Hard apologize because I I just said,

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Speaker 7: I'm sorry.

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Speaker 5: We have to go do this, we have to go

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Speaker 5: take care of this.

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Speaker 4: Weird and of course they understood.

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Speaker 3: They did, but I hope so definitely did.

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Speaker 5: We don't have a letter on my desk when we

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Speaker 5: get back up.

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Speaker 4: No, of course not.

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Speaker 8: No, it made sense.

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Speaker 3: Cowboys trade Micah Parsons to the Green Bay Packers. In return,

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Speaker 3: they get a twenty twenty six and twenty twenty seven

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Speaker 3: first round pick. Then they get Kenny Clark, interior defensive

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Speaker 3: lineman from the Packers, a three time Pro bowler coming

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Speaker 3: off probably his worst year as a pro in the

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Speaker 3: n af fell. But he's twenty nine years old, still

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Speaker 3: has some tread left on the tires, and it gives

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Speaker 3: The Packers didn't go on to sign Micah to a

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Speaker 3: with one hundred and thirty six million of that guaranteed.

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Speaker 3: That's the situation. What just happened, Patrick, We talked about

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Speaker 3: it already.

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Speaker 4: Yesterday a little bitty podcast.

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Speaker 3: But wow, even after a night's sleep, and it was

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Speaker 2: Yeah, even after a night's sleep, I woke up with

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Speaker 2: the same, the same simple thought, which was wow, that

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Speaker 2: actually happened. And again I can't stress enough how how

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Speaker 2: wild it is to see the regression of the relationship

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Speaker 2: between Michael Parsons and the Dallas Cowboys deteriorated.

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Speaker 3: I mean, oh quickly.

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Speaker 2: Goodness, too. I mean from just last year. Jerry Jones

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Speaker 2: Michael Parsons says, I want to be a Cowboy forever.

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Speaker 2: Jerry Jones and Stephen Jones they're saying, yes, we want

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Speaker 2: him to be a Cowboy forever. Michael Parsons grew up

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Speaker 2: at some point in that chronology and again check out

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Speaker 2: earlier this week it became possible, and then as early

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Speaker 5: The HR meeting, Please forgive us.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, the meteor hits the planet, and yeah, he's going

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Speaker 2: to the Green Bay Packers. So the Packers effectively got

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Speaker 5: You know.

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Speaker 7: I go back to just talking with some people this

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Speaker 7: in March that happened between Jerry Jones, Steven Jones, and

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Speaker 7: Michael Parsons, when effectively they sat down and negotiated this

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Speaker 7: and for the most part, came to an agreement. And

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Speaker 7: I think when you look at the past with Jerry Jones,

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Speaker 7: don't have Jerry Jones's trust, you're gone.

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Speaker 7: Think there is a part of an element to this

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Speaker 7: But I think when the offer was out on the

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Speaker 7: But I think there are other factors and layers to

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Speaker 7: And Jerry said, I feel good about where we're at

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Speaker 7: At the end of the day, when I link at

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Speaker 7: Mean, players like Michel Parsons don't come around very often,

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Speaker 8: I think there's just a bit of shock to all

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Speaker 8: I'm not trying to put that out there and say like,

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Speaker 8: They moved him next to Dak Prescott to improve his leadership,

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Speaker 8: He didn't get the contract. The contract negotiations is done

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Speaker 8: He's going to play, there's no doubt about it. He's

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Speaker 2: As your question, Michael Parsons was absolutely a Jerry Jones guy,

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Speaker 4: Michael Parsons was one of those.

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Speaker 2: I think that's a blatant Maybe Tad is the second person.

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Speaker 2: There was a hard split in the planet underneath that relationship.

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Speaker 4: And I believe that or split.

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Speaker 2: Yes, it ultimately ended up with we could argue that,

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Speaker 2: Jerry Jones had the offer out there for him. Jerry

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Speaker 2: We'd have to hear from Micah and his representatives see

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Speaker 4: He said it several times. We could have signed him.

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Speaker 4: We were willing to sign him.

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Speaker 2: But what did Jerry consistently harken back to something you said?

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Speaker 4: Trust? He trusted. His perception of.

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Speaker 2: The engagement was that we had this deal negotiated and

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Speaker 8: What he said is they wanted to start to get

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Speaker 7: Where it ended, right, And you know, I think the

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Speaker 7: come back and rekindle negotiations and said, look, either play

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Speaker 7: So I mean, he deserves his money, I think, and

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Speaker 6: Now.

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Speaker 7: I don't know if the offer that was on the

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Speaker 4: Less than forty seven, Yeah, forty seven.

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Speaker 5: It was less than forty seven.

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Speaker 7: forty seven, none of that.

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Speaker 5: There's nothing, there's nothing that we can do about it now.

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Speaker 4: Green Bay clear of the fence.

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Speaker 5: But yeah, they did.

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Speaker 3: They did. When you look at a player like Micah

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Speaker 3: two thousand and six. I'm going to name some guys

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Speaker 3: You know who's at the top of that list. Michael

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Speaker 4: I do.

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Speaker 3: Don't get me wrong. I love the draft show. I

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Speaker 3: love the NFL draft. This team has been good at drafting.

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Speaker 3: I love getting first round draft picks. They haven't picked

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Speaker 3: It's been a long time since this front office has

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Speaker 3: done it. I love it. I like Kenny Clark. I

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Speaker 3: think Kenny Clark's a good player. He was banged up

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Speaker 3: Kenny Clark is a good player, don't get me wrong.

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Speaker 3: But for the conversation to stop there, that's where I

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Speaker 3: it's Kenny Clark, and for those two things, or those

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Speaker 3: I'm just talking on the field. I'm talking football here.

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Speaker 3: I don't think you're gonna have that.

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Speaker 5: Equal And maybe we do.

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Speaker 3: Maybe Dallas has a great couple of drafts and they

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Speaker 3: go bang bang bang bang with these four first round picks,

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Speaker 3: you've got those over the next two years. Maybe that's

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Speaker 3: the case. But right now I'm looking at it, and

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Speaker 3: that's a high ceiling and a high expectation to ask

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Speaker 3: are two sides to this, and I know Michah Parsons.

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Speaker 3: There is a there was a fine rift, and that

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Speaker 3: So I'm not blaming the entire thing on the front office.

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Speaker 3: I'm not blaming all of it on Michael Parsons as well.

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Speaker 3: But as a Cowboys fan, somebody that grew up watching

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Speaker 3: this team, enjoyed watching guys like DeMarcus where play football

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Speaker 3: don't get a chance to see it. This isn't Luka Doncic.

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Speaker 3: Let me just say that too, for those that are

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Speaker 3: not Luka Doncic. None of that is true.

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Speaker 4: No, it's true, But.

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Speaker 3: I'm just saying I'm a mass fan too. It's not Luca,

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Speaker 2: So there there are a lot of levels and layers

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Speaker 2: gonna I'm going to jump right on that particular compensation

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Speaker 2: waft more and more, I said, I want your entire soul. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: two planets, right, I want, I want it right, So

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Speaker 2: two planets and the solar we need, Jupiter and Saturday,

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Speaker 2: we need the rings that come.

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Speaker 4: All at I want both of your dogs out the weed.

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Speaker 4: That's a bar. So you have Yeah, you did, you did.

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Speaker 3: I didn't catch it's because I piggybacked on Josh's points

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Speaker 4: Nice.

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Speaker 2: So what the Cowboys got was a compensation package. What

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Speaker 2: I what I wanted for Michael Parsons was a hall,

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Speaker 4: It's a good compensation, but.

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Speaker 3: I agree with it. They're not pulling up a good.

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Speaker 2: Compensation package for a record setting, potential future Hall of

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Speaker 4: The scale is off balance.

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Speaker 2: I think that that's the problem I have with that

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Speaker 3: Trade broke the scale in the wrong direct, in the

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Speaker 8: It's it's I mean, it's definitely it's hard to think

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Speaker 4: It's it's really hard to think hard.

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Speaker 3: Do you think you couldn't have gotten more?

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Speaker 5: Yeah?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I agree with you. I think if you would

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Speaker 2: But on top of that, let's go back to Josh's point,

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Speaker 2: I wanted a haul, you're telling me it's the Packers.

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Speaker 2: I absolutely demand it, because this is the same Packers

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Speaker 4: They've lost it on their field.

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Speaker 2: I mean, this goes back and now, what you've done

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Speaker 2: much better without immediately quantifying your what you view as

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Speaker 2: Kenny Clark, and again I do agree with Kyle Kenny

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Speaker 2: Clark had a down year last year, and we'll get

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Speaker 2: only one year moved from that. We'll see if eba

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Speaker 2: fus can get him back to that point. So this

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Speaker 2: if you're going to give me Kenny Clark, and I

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Speaker 2: that me giving you Michael Parsons takes you and puts

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Speaker 2: you potentially, We'll see how it all plays out. Did

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Speaker 4: You made it?

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Speaker 2: And if that's the case, I needed to weaken you more. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: I needed to weaken you more. If I'm going to

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Speaker 2: it to be an equal exchange of some sort.

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Speaker 4: And it's just not an equal exchange.

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Speaker 3: You're saying you needed a cheese tax.

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Speaker 2: I needed a cheese cheese tax if anyone in the NFC,

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Speaker 2: and I just could not have seen them making an

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Speaker 2: NFC East trade for Michael Parsons that would have.

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Speaker 4: And Jerry said that to Arry was like, but outside of.

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Speaker 2: The NFC East, if it's within this conference, I'm applying

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Speaker 2: an additional tax on this transaction. And not only was

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Speaker 2: the tax now applied, but you could argue that the

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Speaker 2: packers walked away with a discount.

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Speaker 8: And you're trading them to a contender. Yeah, Micah Parsons,

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Speaker 8: one of the best players in the NFL, trading to

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Speaker 8: a contender effectively making your draft picks worse.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, but of the.

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Speaker 2: Threat because now you're not unless the less they implode.

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Speaker 2: You're not talking top ten, top fifteen. You're talking late

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Speaker 2: twenties thirties, which makes it essentially a high second round pick.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 7: I'll say this too, though, you know, in terms of

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Speaker 7: the compensation, I'm completely agree with all you guys.

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Speaker 3: I think they could have gotten more.

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Speaker 7: And they should have got and they should have gotten more,

462
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Speaker 7: and they should have gotten more. Jerry Jones, I think

463
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Speaker 7: looked at this as herschel Walker two point oh. There

464
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Speaker 7: was never going to be a haul like herschel Walker

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Speaker 7: one point oh.

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Speaker 3: I don't.

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Speaker 7: I think that's just one of a kind. There's never

468
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Speaker 7: gonna be something like that in NFL history ever again.

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Speaker 7: But I think you look and you make a good

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Speaker 7: point about if the Packers are contending for a Super Bowl, now,

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Speaker 7: that's gonna be twenty five twenty in terms of you know,

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Speaker 7: when they pick in the first round. So my thing is,

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Speaker 7: did the Cowboys look at this and say, we're gonna

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Speaker 7: use this as stock or as another asset to try

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Speaker 7: and move up, try and move up in twenty six

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Speaker 7: and or twenty seven. Good, you've got the opportunity to

477
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Speaker 7: do that. I know Jerry John said yesterday, Hey, we

478
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Speaker 7: could use one of these to go get somebody right now.

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Speaker 1: Right now.

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Speaker 5: I don't see that happening.

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Speaker 7: I think, you know, so would you go get Yeah,

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Speaker 7: we're six we're six days away from the season.

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Speaker 5: I highly doubt it.

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Speaker 7: So you know that, I think that's how they That's

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Speaker 7: how they look at it, whether or not that I'm

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Speaker 7: not here to tell you what's right and what's not right.

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Speaker 5: That's just how I think they're looking at it.

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Speaker 7: And I think you look at twenty twenty six, twenty

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Speaker 7: twenty seven, those draft claspecifically, twenty twenty seven, there's gonna

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Speaker 7: be some and we're gonna talk about it on the

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Speaker 7: Draft Show. There's gonna be some really good players in

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Speaker 7: twenty twenty seven. You want to watch one of them,

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Speaker 7: turn on Texas Ohio State on Saturday and watch Colin

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Speaker 7: Simmons the edgeress for a Texas play. You're going to

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Speaker 7: see a guy who who who can want to talk

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Speaker 7: about who can wreck the game?

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Speaker 3: Ohio State.

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Speaker 4: He felt me to make sure.

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Speaker 7: Well, I mean, I'm just saying, if we if we're

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Speaker 7: talking about edge rushers to put the long hand.

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Speaker 5: Well, yeah, okay, if you want to, if you want

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Speaker 5: to go watch for.

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Speaker 8: A guy that says, go dogs every five minutes.

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Speaker 4: Thank you, Josh, thank you.

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Speaker 7: If you want to go watch a wide receiver, that

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Speaker 7: might be Leo Jones two point zher go watch number

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Speaker 7: four and Scarlet and Gray hopefully not catching the ball

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Speaker 7: very much on Saturday.

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Speaker 5: But yeah, you know that's.

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Speaker 7: How I see them kind of picturing this thing if

511
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Speaker 7: they can make it, you know, if this is their

512
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Speaker 7: herschel Walker two point oh and Jerry Jones talked about

513
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Speaker 7: yesterday kind of not necessarily resetting things, but giving this

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Speaker 7: staff a clean slate going into their first year. I

515
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Speaker 7: think that was really important is getting something done before

516
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Speaker 7: the season started, so we didn't have to go into

517
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Speaker 7: the year asking Brian Schottenheimer every week about Michael Parsons.

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Speaker 5: So now you've got a clean slate.

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Speaker 4: So here's the added angle.

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Speaker 2: So when they start talking about flipping picks, absolutely that's

521
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Speaker 2: a possibility. I also don't see that happening six days

522
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Speaker 2: before you go to Philadelphia, but the trade deadlines out

523
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Speaker 2: until the beginning of November, so we'll see how that

524
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Speaker 2: plays out. But if you're going to enter that negotiation

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Speaker 2: with other teams and saying, yeah, we got these additional

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Speaker 2: two first round picks, we're willing to have a conversation

527
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Speaker 2: with those gms are looking at you saying the same

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Speaker 2: thing that we're saying right now. They're saying, well, who's

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Speaker 2: picks were they initially Green Bays?

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 1: True.

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Speaker 5: Now you're your point.

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Speaker 3: I want to talk more about this because there is

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Speaker 3: some flexibility now, and I want to set it up

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Speaker 3: the way that Cowboys fans. I know, the Micah Parsons,

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Speaker 3: we've already established this. The compensation wasn't ideal, but it's

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Speaker 3: what we have. It's what Dallas has to work with

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Speaker 3: over the next couple of years. So what can be next?

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Speaker 3: What is next on the horizon. What's some of the

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Speaker 3: different positives that come from this, because it's not all negative,

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Speaker 3: there is still something to smile about even today. Cowboys Nation,

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Speaker 3: we appreciate you joining us, We really do. I see

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Speaker 3: the YouTube chat. I've watched it every single time. There's

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Speaker 3: a lot of you in there today, and I get

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Speaker 3: it because there is a lot of negative out there.

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Speaker 3: I know there's a lot of positive too. I'm reading

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Speaker 3: the chat there too. There's a split. It's pretty much

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Speaker 3: the majority is upset about the trade. And I get it.

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Speaker 3: You just traded an all pro, one of the best

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Speaker 3: of all time at what he does in the first

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Speaker 3: four years of his career. I get it. There's gonna

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Speaker 3: be some negativity there, but it's not all negative. Talked

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Speaker 3: about two first round picks gives you some flexibility. Not

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Speaker 3: signing Micah Parsons to a forty forty plus million dollar

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Speaker 3: deal gives you some flexibility in the salary cap. You

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Speaker 3: get an interior defensive lineman that you've been desperately searching for.

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Speaker 3: I know he's twenty nine, I know he's coming off

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Speaker 3: of a down year. Don't give me all that. Kenny

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Speaker 3: Clark is the best defensive tackle, nose tackle you've had

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Speaker 3: here in a long time. He's just instantly before he

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Speaker 3: gets off the plane, and he is already one of

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Speaker 3: the best you've had here in a long time. Whatever

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Speaker 3: condition he's yeah, I don't yeah, And he's been practicing,

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Speaker 3: so he's in good condition.

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Speaker 1: He's fine.

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Speaker 7: And Kenny Clark last year was probably going to be

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Speaker 7: your best defensive tackle in that down down year.

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Speaker 3: So there are positives here. Yes, it could have been more.

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Speaker 3: We've already established that. If you're just joining a show,

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Speaker 3: go back and watch it. We've already talked through all that.

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Speaker 3: Where do you feel like the biggest positive is for this?

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Speaker 3: Is it the flexibility? Is it the salary cap room?

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Speaker 3: Is it the current turnaround? I don't think it's the

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Speaker 3: current turnaround. I think twenty twenty five. This is not

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Speaker 3: a move for twenty twenty five. This is a move

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Speaker 3: that ends in twenty twenty seven with the first round picks,

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Speaker 3: and what you do with these four first round picks

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Speaker 3: over the next two years that's going to define what

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Speaker 3: this move means for your franchise.

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Speaker 2: Really, it depends the answer to that question. Depends upon

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Speaker 2: actions taken with the resources achieved or acquired, I should say, so, yes,

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Speaker 2: you have the two first round picks that you add

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Speaker 2: it to your bucket if you choose to flip those

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Speaker 2: who are you flipping those four if you don't choose

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Speaker 2: to flip those who are you using those picks on?

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Speaker 2: And will those picks turn into Michael Parsons and someone

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Speaker 2: else's hope? That's what you hope. But that's hope is

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Speaker 2: not a strategy. Shouts out to Isaiah Stanbeck and Kyla Yomena. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: because that's your favorite saying, and it's right. I know

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Speaker 2: you're the og of that though, thank you. But so

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Speaker 2: it same applies to when it comes to the salary

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Speaker 2: cap space. So by not, first of all, let me

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Speaker 2: be clear, because it's still too many people saying, well,

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Speaker 2: if you signed Michael Parsons then it would have hit

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Speaker 2: the twenty five.

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Speaker 4: No, it wouldn't.

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Speaker 2: If it would have added eighteen million dollars, Now you

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Speaker 2: could have talked about next year the year after. But

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Speaker 2: by not, by trading Michael Parson's away, you now get

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Speaker 2: that fully guaranteed twenty four million dollars back onto your cap.

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Speaker 2: So if you account for the three million dollar hit

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Speaker 2: that is coming along with Kenny Clark. You're floating around

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Speaker 2: forty forty million dollars forty forty one million dollars in

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Speaker 2: salary cap space for twenty twenty five. If you don't

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Speaker 2: use any of that, you can roll one hundred percent

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Speaker 2: of it over in twenty twenty six. I get it.

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Speaker 2: Tommy Broke brought it up yesterday. Great point. You have

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Speaker 2: contract extensions coming up with Tyler Smith, Deron Bland, some

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Speaker 2: of these other guys. That being said, back to my

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Speaker 2: original point, you have all this money and you have

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Speaker 2: these extra picks.

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Speaker 4: We won't know if.

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Speaker 2: This worked out in the cowboys favor until I see

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Speaker 2: what you're doing free agency with your forty forty one

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Speaker 2: million dollars, assuming that's what you still have in addition

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Speaker 2: to the cap space you'll be awarded when things go

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Speaker 2: up next year. We don't know if if the roster

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Speaker 2: is going to be improved in twenty twenty six and

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Speaker 2: twenty twenty seven because of this trade, because we don't

663
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Speaker 2: know who you're going to pick, and we don't know

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Speaker 2: if that those picks are going to pan out. Oh,

665
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Speaker 2: we don't know if you want to flip the picks

666
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Speaker 2: for a veteran who's going to come in on a

667
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Speaker 2: blockbuster situation. But I do agree that Kenny Clark is

668
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Speaker 2: instantly full stop. Like Josh said, instantly your best nose tackle,

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Speaker 2: which leads us to a conversation will have at another point,

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Speaker 2: what does that mean for Mozzie Smith?

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Speaker 4: That what does that even.

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Speaker 2: Mean for Perry On Winfrey who earned his spot because

673
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Speaker 2: now it's it's Perry On Winfrey versus Mozzie Smith. With

674
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Speaker 2: Kenny Clark staring you right in the face as you're

675
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Speaker 2: starting nose.

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Speaker 4: Tackle, Yeah, in the way, three twenty pounds in the lough.

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Speaker 4: He's a lot. He's a lot, and he's in the way.

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Speaker 3: I kind of want to just sticking on that point.

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Speaker 3: Sorry to cut you out, O gosh. When it comes

680
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Speaker 3: to the edge rusher position, we talked about it on

681
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Speaker 3: our Matten ratings earlier in the week, right, our edge

682
00:33:54,480 --> 00:33:57,400
Speaker 3: rusher spot was pretty good across the board. You felt

683
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Speaker 3: good about it with Micah. Yes, they are at least

684
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Speaker 3: group Without Micah, they're not. It's just playing and simple.

685
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Speaker 3: They're not an elite group. But are they still a

686
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Speaker 3: strength of this football team. I would argue yes, Sam Williams,

687
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Speaker 3: Marshawn Nelan Donovan Ezeraku. They are. There's still a lot

688
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Speaker 3: to be proven there, but you've invested in that position

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Speaker 3: and you have some talent there. So even if they

690
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Speaker 3: go from being elite down to good, okay, you've got

691
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Speaker 3: a good at shrudger room. Did your interior defensive line

692
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Speaker 3: just go from being a bad interior defensive line room

693
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Speaker 3: to at least an adequate one? Yes, adequate, maybe borderline,

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Speaker 3: depending on how much is able to play or question mark? Yeah, good,

695
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Speaker 3: question mark. I think your defensive line is still fine.

696
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Speaker 3: It's okay. And Jerry talked about it yesterday. A lot

697
00:34:42,120 --> 00:34:44,600
Speaker 3: of the press conference was kind of rambling and it

698
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Speaker 3: wasn't all put together, but one of the things I

699
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Speaker 3: thought was interesting is he said coach Eberflus was confident

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Speaker 3: that they could scheme pressure, and I think with the

701
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Speaker 3: unit that they have, in the personnel they have, they

702
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Speaker 3: can scheme pressure. Will it be Micah Parson's pressure, No,

703
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Speaker 3: it will not.

704
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Speaker 2: Just don't anticipate and you're going to get your linebackers

705
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Speaker 2: and the safety is involved.

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Speaker 3: I was going to come in, They're going to be fine.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 7: It was Steven that said you can scheme pressure. You

709
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Speaker 7: can't scheme stopping the run, which is true, which is true. Yeah,

710
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Speaker 7: but this is still, in my opinion, just an okay

711
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Speaker 7: defensive tackle room, like, yes, it got better, but.

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Speaker 3: I don't sign, I don't know if you're right, you're

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Speaker 3: head that twenty four hours.

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Speaker 5: Oh absolutely it was not good. No, it wasn't good.

715
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Speaker 3: So yes, anything was better, right, anything was better.

716
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Speaker 7: But to say that, all right, run defense done, We're good, Yeah,

717
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Speaker 7: that's not that's that's not the case.

718
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Speaker 5: That's not the case. I show it now much less.

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Speaker 7: You know, all this talk about, hey, we wanted to

720
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Speaker 7: improve the run defense, rightfully, so they have been horrible

721
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Speaker 7: against the run the last couple of years. It's what's

722
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Speaker 7: bit them in the playoffs, it's what's bit them in

723
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Speaker 7: the regular season. You want a really good test of

724
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Speaker 7: how good your run defense is, you got Saquon Barkley

725
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Speaker 7: coming up in six days. When the Eagles offensive line

726
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Speaker 7: that is really good, really good left to right. They're

727
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Speaker 7: creative in the run game. They get those guys in

728
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Speaker 7: space the left side of their their offensive line. We're

729
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Speaker 7: going to talk about this next week, And here we

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Speaker 7: go the sneak sneak preview for that little gameless plug

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Speaker 7: but the Eagles are super creative and how they get

732
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Speaker 7: their offensive lineman moving that left side of the offensive

733
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Speaker 7: line when they get out in space. It is half

734
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Speaker 7: a ton of mass just pushing you out of the way.

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Speaker 3: So you ever seen that scene in The Lion King?

736
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Speaker 5: Which one?

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Speaker 4: Which one?

738
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Speaker 1: One?

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Speaker 3: More? Move? Fassa dies?

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Speaker 7: Spoilers, Sorry to anybody who has watched WAT Classics.

741
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Speaker 2: Spoil that's kind of cool. The Lion dies? Is that

742
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Speaker 2: the reference you're using?

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Speaker 4: Oh, nikes, Kyle, too soon, Kyle is scarred.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

745
00:36:59,560 --> 00:37:02,719
Speaker 4: I was just saying that was moving. You did it,

746
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Speaker 4: That's all I was.

747
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Speaker 7: Yeah, no, but they've gone all right, Thanks for hosting, Kyle.

748
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Speaker 7: But yeah, they get up the field, they get out

749
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Speaker 7: in space, and of course Saquon Barkley just ran for

750
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Speaker 7: two thousand yards.

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Speaker 5: So there's your test. There's your test.

752
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Speaker 7: And if you're if you if you go out into

753
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Speaker 7: that game, they don't stop the run and say, okay, well,

754
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Speaker 7: you know, Kenny Clark's only been here for six days.

755
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Speaker 7: You know you got to give him some time, all right,

756
00:37:26,680 --> 00:37:28,839
Speaker 7: you playing later again in the year later, you can

757
00:37:28,840 --> 00:37:30,879
Speaker 7: try again, but you know.

758
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Speaker 4: Three weeks later.

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Speaker 7: Oh yeah, by the way, yeah, Josh Jacobs comes into town,

760
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Speaker 7: and it's just I.

761
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Speaker 2: Tell you what I want to do because you sparked

762
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Speaker 2: a thought in my head because Kenny Clark. You mentioned

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Speaker 2: that obviously the Cowboys are playing the Eagles, and it

764
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Speaker 2: just struck me, Hey, that means that there's plenty of

765
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Speaker 2: film on Kenny Clark versus the Saquon Barkley and the

766
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Speaker 2: Eagles from the last year's postseason game. So looking at

767
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Speaker 2: the stats Kenny Clark finished that game that the Eagles

768
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Speaker 2: did walk away with the win, but they only scored

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Speaker 2: twenty two points, so the Packers defense was pretty effective

770
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Speaker 2: and containing those guys. Let's see Saquan Yeeson did saque things.

771
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Speaker 2: He had one nineteen with a four point eight average.

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Speaker 2: Kenny Clark had five combined tackles, and I'm interested, So

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna actually, after the show, I'm going to use

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Speaker 2: sometime today, I'm going to dissect some Kenny Clark film

775
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Speaker 2: against the Eagles. Let's see, because assuming that he does

776
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Speaker 2: play in six days, even if it's on a pitch count,

777
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Speaker 2: let me see how much he's upgrading this defensive tackle room.

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Speaker 2: So follow me on Twitter if you're not already, because

779
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Speaker 2: I'm going to do a breakdown on Kenny Clark versus

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Speaker 2: the Eagles.

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Speaker 4: Let's see how he does there.

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Speaker 3: You go, all right, we got to take our second break.

783
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Speaker 3: When we come back, I'm going to read some of

784
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Speaker 3: these comments about this lion king thing, because this is hilarious.

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Speaker 3: We're gonna have to wrap up the show a little

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Speaker 3: bit early because we're talking about Kenny Clark. We're talking

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Speaker 3: about the move that was made yesterday by Jerry Jones.

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Speaker 3: They're both gonna be upstairs say his name and we've

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Speaker 3: got here. Yeah, we've got to go be there and

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Speaker 3: be a part of that quickly. Seth does get our

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Speaker 3: comment of the day. He said Kyle might be scarred,

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Speaker 3: but Cowboys Nation is scarred. That's the comment of the day.

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Speaker 3: That's very raffiki of you. What a very nice is poetic. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: This year, but we eve don't like it.

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Speaker 3: Patrick Noci Walker, Josh Rodriguez, Tommy Yarish, Chris Beam in

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Speaker 3: the back. Does this change just to wrap up the show?

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Speaker 3: Does this change the twenty twenty five win total for

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Speaker 3: you one way or the other.

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Speaker 8: No, I do not think you were in championship contention

849
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Speaker 8: this year with Michael Parsons. I don't think that is

850
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Speaker 8: the case now. I think this is a soft slash

851
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Speaker 8: hard rebuild with the current coaching staff. I mean, I

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Speaker 8: think it would be a lot to expect of them

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Speaker 8: to reach championship with his new coaching staff. But I

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Speaker 8: think you're doing your best to build the correct culture

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Speaker 8: around you. This does feel in a lot of ways

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Speaker 8: like a culture move, and you know it sucks.

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Speaker 4: I don't like it.

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Speaker 8: I think you could have gotten more, and Michael Parsons

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Speaker 8: is going to play really well for all sixteen games

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Speaker 8: out there in Green Bay. But at least for me

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Speaker 8: here for now, I think you're building towards the future

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Speaker 8: and that's the best you can hook for right now.

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Speaker 8: Mind you, I said sixteen games for Michael Parsons.

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Speaker 2: No, it doesn't, because for me it's a little bit

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Speaker 2: less than a wash. It upgrades your defensive tackle position,

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Speaker 2: your nose tackle positions specifically, Absolutely true. But Dante Fowlers,

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Speaker 2: you're only proven edge rusher. Yeah, everybody else has a

868
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Speaker 2: lot of potential, a lot youth, but it's potential yeah,

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Speaker 2: and it hasn't been realized quite yet. So what you're

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Speaker 2: doing is taking your best defensive player off of the field,

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Speaker 2: sending him out of town for good. And you're looking

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Speaker 2: at Dante Fowler rightfully so, but then a lot of

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Speaker 2: unproven pieces. So that we talked about the scale earlier,

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Speaker 2: that doesn't balance with the upgrade at nose tackle because

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Speaker 2: the upgrade of nose tackle isn't as substantial as what

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Speaker 2: Micah gave you over the first four seasons fifty two

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Speaker 2: and a half sex in sixty three games, plus the

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Speaker 2: pressures in the names that you mentioned, Von Miller, Aaron

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Speaker 2: Donalds of the World, Reggie Weiss and things like that.

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Speaker 2: So no, for me, it doesn't move the needle in

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Speaker 2: the win loss record is concerned.

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Speaker 7: All right, yeah, just real quick for me, I was

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Speaker 7: at eight nine. I think we're still at eight nine.

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Speaker 3: That's probably right around where I'm at. That's gonna do

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Speaker 3: it for us here on talking Cowboys. We got to

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Speaker 3: get out of here, go catch up with Kenny Clark

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Speaker 3: and Jerry Jones upstairs, just to get you all the

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Speaker 3: content you need for next week. We'll be back on Tuesday.

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Speaker 3: No show Monday nine am Central. It'll be our full

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Speaker 3: fledged preview of the game against the Philadelphia Eagles on

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Speaker 3: Thursday Night Football for Patrick Nosey Walker, Josh Rodriguez, Tommy Ours,

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Speaker 3: Chris Beam in the back. I'm Kyle Yeoman saying so

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Speaker 3: long from Talking Cowboys. We will see you next week.

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