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Speaker 1: Ridiculous Crime is a production of Iheartradios Elizabeth Dutton.

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Speaker 2: Hey, Aaron, do you have a home security system?

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Speaker 3: I do?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, listen. Do you know what's ridiculous?

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Speaker 3: Yes? I do. I know. All your answers excellent. Okay.

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Speaker 3: Do you know the film director Guierromo del.

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Speaker 2: Toro, Not personally, but I know of you know of him?

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Speaker 3: Right? Do you know that he is an avid critiquer

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Speaker 3: of alien spacecraft? Yeah, he's an He's a hardcore critic apparently.

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Speaker 2: Interested in alien spacecraft.

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Speaker 3: Yes, like a legit alien spacecraft. Because you have to

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Speaker 3: understand he's seen one.

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Speaker 2: He has seen one.

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Speaker 3: Okay, here's I'll just read you.

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Speaker 2: Got to break this down.

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Speaker 3: I'll read you the story as he tells it, because

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Speaker 3: it's much better than my version. I was with a friend.

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Speaker 3: We bought a six pack, so he was drunk. Okay,

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Speaker 3: not drunk, he was drinking buzz.

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Speaker 2: You know what the zaren buzz driving is drunk driving.

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Speaker 3: But he says, and I quote, we didn't consume it.

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Speaker 3: So I don't know why he brings it up in

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Speaker 3: the story for Ambiance. I thought you were a storyteller. Anyway,

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Speaker 3: the story there was a place called Cerro del Quatro

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Speaker 3: mountain of the four on the periphery of Guadalajara. We said,

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Speaker 3: let's go to the highway. We sit down to watch

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Speaker 3: the stars and have the beer and talk. We were

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Speaker 3: the only guys by the freeway. I guess in Guadalahara

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Speaker 3: people hang out by the freeway.

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Speaker 2: I didn't know we were the.

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Speaker 3: Only guys by the freeway. I have a six all

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Speaker 3: the details of this story, Sarah, that you choose to

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Speaker 3: leave in leave out anyway. And we saw a light

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Speaker 3: on the horizon going super fast, not linear, and I

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Speaker 3: said hawk and flash, and we started honking like apparently

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Speaker 3: they the head lights started honking like this UFO is

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Speaker 3: now honking right. So at this point, he says, the

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Speaker 3: UFO went from one thousand meters away too much closer

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Speaker 3: in like less than a second. And it was so crappy.

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Speaker 3: It was a flying saucer, so cliched with lights blinking.

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Speaker 3: It's so sad. I wish I could reveal that they're

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Speaker 3: not what you think they are, that they are what

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Speaker 3: you think they are, and that the fear we felt

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Speaker 3: was so primal. But I've never been that scared in

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Speaker 3: my life. We jumped in the card fast. It was

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Speaker 3: following us. Then I looked back and it was gone.

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Speaker 3: But he's not done, Elizabeth, because he also wanted to

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Speaker 3: add I didn't want to see a UFO. It was

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Speaker 3: horribly designed.

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Speaker 2: He scared him though. It got the job done totally.

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Speaker 3: I just love that he sees this UFO and like

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Speaker 3: half the time he's like irritated. Then he's critiquing it.

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Speaker 3: He's telling it to like blow off like a hunk

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Speaker 3: if you're horny. I mean, like he's just hilarious. Just

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Speaker 3: sitting on the side of the freeway, not drinking beer. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: just sitting there with it anywhere. That's garra Mo del toro. Ridiculous.

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Speaker 2: Ridiculous is what that is? Do you wonder what else

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Speaker 2: is ridiculous?

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Speaker 3: God? I came here for it. I drove across town for.

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Speaker 2: It, selling the taj Mahal three times. Oh yes, this

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Speaker 2: is ridiculous Crime A podcast about absurd and outrageous capers.

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Speaker 2: He and cons it's always ninety nine percent murder free

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Speaker 2: and one hundred percent ridiculous.

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Speaker 3: Oh you damn right, I know.

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Speaker 2: I am con artists.

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Speaker 3: No, you're talking about language.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we've been very focused on North American Australian and

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Speaker 2: European criminals, like pretty much English speaking areas of the

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Speaker 3: We're English speakers and the newspapers are easiest for us

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Speaker 3: to research, exactly. I try to do the translating on

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Speaker 3: the French ones, but some of them when you go

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Speaker 3: past that, I don't trust the translations because I can

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Speaker 3: read a little French, right, But like if we're getting

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Speaker 3: into like the new I'm like, I don't know if

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Speaker 2: just first of all, I'm just gonna kill everyone's names,

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Speaker 2: And then second like that, yeah, the translations are so clumsy.

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Speaker 3: translation that I'll be able to go that makes sense exactly.

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Speaker 2: And so we've we've kind of ventured out. But look,

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Speaker 2: what about the rest of the world.

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Speaker 3: What about the rest of the go global?

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Speaker 2: Baby? So no culture is crime free, of course, you know,

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Speaker 2: meet a legendary swindler and con man. Legend.

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Speaker 3: This guy's legend you mentioned Mahal. You already got my age.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he's a gentleman who pulled off frauds, capers, multiple

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Speaker 2: prison escapes. Yeah, he's your kind of guy. I'm talking

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Speaker 2: about Nilal. He's a legend. As I said, Now, he was.

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Speaker 2: He was born Mitilesh Kumar Strivistava and that was in

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Speaker 2: nineteen thirteen. Okay, so that's where we are. So Mitilesh,

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Speaker 2: this auspicious occasion of his birth took place in a

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Speaker 2: owned a railroad station from well hooked up. Yeah, but

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Speaker 2: he was just like a normal kid. He liked playing soccer,

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Speaker 2: he loved chess.

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Speaker 3: So the money didn't change him, is what you're telling me.

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Speaker 2: Not big on cracking of the books, that was the thing.

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Speaker 2: So but you know, he's like a smart kid, he's

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Speaker 3: That's true. A lot of smart kids, right, But see.

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Speaker 2: Like a rich landowner and railroad station owner generally wants

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Speaker 2: Slackers in this house. And so one day Mitteles tangled

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Speaker 2: Well maybe there's a bit of shoving.

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Speaker 3: Who's to say they fought, yes and altercation?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. They had a set to And this was

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Speaker 2: back in the day when students respected their teachers. Oh

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Speaker 2: and parents backed up the teachers. Remember that. Yes, it's

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Speaker 2: not like today, where students and their parents have very

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Speaker 2: The educator says, what you know that I'm talking about

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Speaker 2: have the metal to do that. I never have, never will.

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Speaker 2: Like I can't I don't have the legal protection right well,

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Speaker 2: he gotten a dust up with his teacher, and his

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Speaker 2: dad was pissed, like, you don't do that? He got

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Speaker 2: Implements or his fists or something. And that's part of

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Speaker 2: the back in the day that I can't get behind. Yes,

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Speaker 2: the corporal punishment, telling you kids these days anyway.

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Speaker 3: Do you like more of just a shame game?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, kids with their TikTok mental health diagnosis and their

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Speaker 2: stupid slaying and anyway, Middlesh, Hello, hello, Mittilesh. So one

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Speaker 3: So the neighbor sends Mittelesh to the back.

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Speaker 2: He's like, you there, mitt Alesh, go deposit these checks.

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Speaker 2: You're rich.

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Speaker 3: You know what a check is?

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Speaker 2: So he deposit checks these days. So mitth Alesh he

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Speaker 2: Yeah, this is not a complicated signature. And I like chess,

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Speaker 2: Right, so he like practices the neighbor's signature. He has

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Speaker 3: Oh is that a lot?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I guess. And eventually then the neighbor finds out

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Speaker 2: and gets angry. Mittlelesh is fifteen at the time. Nice

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Speaker 2: and between getting busted for a check fraud and a

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Speaker 2: you know what, I got to skip town.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, he's going to military school next anyway.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. And so he goes off to Calcutta, Kolkatta.

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Speaker 2: And he starts studying to get a bachelor's of Commerce.

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Speaker 2: He had side hustles, so he got a brief gig

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Speaker 2: Well, he gets a taste for it and you see

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Speaker 2: and he tells him like, Hey, Rom, guess what, I'm

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Speaker 2: a private tutor. He's like, that's good for you, and

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Speaker 2: from supposedly satisfied parents as proof of his badass tutoring skills.

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Speaker 2: He's like, come on up in this. And so Rom,

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Speaker 2: he looks at the paperwork. He's totally convinced you're hired.

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Speaker 2: You'd be perfect for this.

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Speaker 3: My dumb kids need you.

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Speaker 2: Well, Rob, he has these two kids and he wants

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Speaker 2: some learned up good and so, after a couple of

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Speaker 2: months on the job, meet Alesh. He asked if he

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Speaker 2: was like, nah, here's what you have. Mick alash lost

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Speaker 2: it really Oh yeah, you I thought you were in

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Speaker 2: it to win it with your kids and their academic careers.

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Speaker 2: And then he starts to question, Yeah, he questions Rom's

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Speaker 2: commitment to sparkle motion. So he quits. And not just that,

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Speaker 2: he also vowed to get revenge. I'm not kidding you.

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Speaker 3: Over some books.

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Speaker 2: Uh huh. This is your people, they are, they told her,

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Speaker 2: So take a step back. It's amazing this guy loses

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Speaker 2: his slippers. We're not getting book money. He's like, I'm

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Speaker 2: gonna destroy you if it's the last thing I do.

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Speaker 2: We need arithmetic workbooks. How could you have forsaken us?

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Speaker 3: Not even his kids? Not even his kids?

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Speaker 2: So mittles, he gets to work. He somehow manages to

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Speaker 2: get a job as headmaster of the school where Rom's

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Speaker 3: Get out, like.

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Speaker 2: Did he use his fake resume transcript recommendations? You bet

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Speaker 2: your life he did. He faked all the documents. He

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Speaker 2: rolls in there. He's like, you know, you'd be a

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Speaker 2: fool enough to hire me. And so now he's the

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Speaker 2: education final boss life and like he could make or

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Speaker 2: So Rom found out that Mittelesh was in charge of

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Speaker 3: The job that I got mad at you about, and

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Speaker 2: And I'll pay you more.

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Speaker 3: So mith ales is, how did this guy get rich?

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Speaker 3: He can barely keep it because I mean, yeah, howd

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Speaker 2: But that was just the beginning of his revenge plot

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he was born in nineteen thirteen and so twenty four. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: This is great. Yeah, so head master in his early twenties.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, there's this cloth shortage in the area.

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Speaker 3: Would you be might need that?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? You want in he says Mittelesh says he will

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Speaker 2: I didn't do the conversion because I didn't want. I

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Speaker 2: It sounds a lot. Rom stoked.

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Speaker 3: He's like, four fifty k I'll take it.

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Speaker 2: I'm in. And then mit Alesh remembered, oh, you know what,

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Speaker 2: my cousin's already back in Bombay. Crap, what are we

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Speaker 2: but you know what, I'm going to send my agent

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Speaker 2: to carry the money.

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Speaker 3: Yeah exactly.

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Speaker 3: So had that going on.

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Speaker 2: The two guys they go to Bombay, mitt Lesh and

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Speaker 2: this agent the agent, and this is according to India

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Speaker 2: Today quote on the journey, Mittalleesh had cleverly though casually

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Speaker 2: go down. The agent he was like down for some

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Speaker 2: black market dealings in theory, yeah.

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Speaker 3: But.

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Speaker 2: He hears all the stories and now he's crazy nervous,

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Speaker 2: like something terrible could happen.

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Speaker 3: And then what he got his imagination cooking.

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Speaker 2: They're breaking the law, there's no protection. So the agent,

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Speaker 2: he whimps out, stays back at the hotel. He gives

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Speaker 2: myth Alesh the money to go do the deal and

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Speaker 2: it's like, I'll wait for you here and then you

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Speaker 2: come back and it'll be great. And so off goes

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Speaker 2: myth Alesh with nearly half a million rupees in his pocket.

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Speaker 2: Did he go to the warehouse.

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Speaker 3: I'm gonna go with my second answer of no, he

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Speaker 3: did not.

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Speaker 2: You're correct, there was no warehouse. But we knew that, yes,

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Speaker 2: you knew that. Instead, myth Alesh went back to his

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Speaker 3: Climbed on top of one of those trains filled with

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Speaker 2: Gone, gonezers. He goes into his house and hands his

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Speaker 3: Rupees Wow, good son, and.

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Speaker 2: Tells him, you know what, I've become a major shareholder

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Speaker 2: in a big company in Calcutta. Like he hasn't been back, yeah,

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Speaker 3: Goes, Hey, did any of your other kids wet your beak?

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Speaker 2: Like that's right, that's right. So the dad looks out

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Speaker 2: his solitary tear ran down his cheek. So, meanwhile, back

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Speaker 2: in Calcutta, meeth Alesh was home, but so is Rom,

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Speaker 2: and Rom was pissed because like, yeah, the agent finally

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Speaker 2: must have dawned on Himlingh.

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Speaker 3: Figured out what happened. Yeah, yeah, he's got no yards

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Speaker 2: He's got no money, right, so rom he knew he'd

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Speaker 2: been had and when he heard myth Alesh was back

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Speaker 2: in town, it was on snapped his fingers and his

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Speaker 3: I know.

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Speaker 2: We have these interments.

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Speaker 3: Just picking the health care for them, it's a whole

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Speaker 3: thing because they have real needs for paperwork. They're constantly

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Speaker 2: We've got these, we got these interns, but they're not

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Speaker 2: very intimidating, and like some of them, their weapons skills

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Speaker 2: are goofy dogs and most of them I want, I want.

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Speaker 2: We got some though. They know how to they know

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Speaker 2: how to work Instagram, yes, so congratulations to them. But

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Speaker 2: I want intimidating muscle to do my bidding, like brave

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Speaker 2: the cluster f parking lot up the hill and pick

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Speaker 2: up my ice coffee from Pete. But no, the interns,

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Speaker 2: they don't like that parking lot. It's too hectic. I

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Speaker 2: have to do it for myself. You're getting college credits

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Speaker 2: for this. Guys. You don't even answer the emails, and

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Speaker 2: some of you lick yourself and shuttle over the place anyway, MILESH.

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Speaker 2: So the henchmen, they caught up with them. They drag

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Speaker 2: him over to Rom's place. Myth Alesh said he lost

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Speaker 3: So they go over to his place and he's sitting there.

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Speaker 3: They and they come back to man.

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Speaker 2: He's like, the cops showed up at the warehouse, they

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Speaker 2: came after me. I lost the money. It flew out

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Speaker 2: of my pockets and.

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Speaker 3: You know, and then I got luckily back home. Scary,

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Speaker 3: and so I'm the victim here.

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Speaker 2: Right, And Rom's like, don't care. He says, Smith Alesh,

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Speaker 2: you have four days to repay me or I'm going

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Speaker 2: to kill you. No, not a one percent on my

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Speaker 2: watch there. So myth Alesh, of course, he has this

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Speaker 2: wily plan. He went to the cops. He accused Rom

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Speaker 2: to help him with black market deals. So he turns

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Speaker 2: it around like Rom's the originator of the deal. And

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Speaker 2: I said, no way, buddy, I don't do that kind

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Speaker 2: So that's what he tells the cops.

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Speaker 3: And then he successfully was able to get the half

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Speaker 2: Because well, he doesn't mention the half million. He just

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Speaker 2: says he threatened to kill me. He's like ps, Rom

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Speaker 2: has a lot of shady business dealings because like they met,

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Speaker 2: I'm inclined to believe that Rom is already a little

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Speaker 2: dirty if he hears that a black market cloth deal.

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Speaker 3: Representative. Yeah, change, he said a punk.

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Speaker 2: So Rom and his henchmen they get arrested, but the

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Speaker 2: he spent some time in jail.

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Speaker 3: I forgo. Rom has the money degree, and pomps.

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Speaker 2: I think so. Yeah. So that same year, myth Alesh

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Speaker 2: gets arrested again for stealing nine tons of iron.

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Speaker 3: Well, he saw the you first steal a train to

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Speaker 3: put the iron on.

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Speaker 2: He saw these iron joints on the street, like a

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Speaker 2: big stack for a project.

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Speaker 3: Right, I assume you don't mean you don't mean marijuana cigarettes.

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Speaker 2: A bunch of iron marijuana.

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Speaker 3: Cigarettes, a little decorative marijuana cigarettes.

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Speaker 2: Marijua, nine tons of paperweight. He saw iron joints on

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Speaker 2: the street that were like joined peoples and irons, and

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Speaker 2: they're for like this building thing, And so he forged

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Speaker 2: documents saying that they belonged to him, and then he

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Speaker 2: sold them to an a metal dealer if you want.

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Speaker 3: These another town.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he gets convicted and sentenced to six months in jail.

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Speaker 2: He'd barely been out when he gets arrested again and

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Speaker 2: he goes in for another eight months for what who.

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Speaker 3: Knows, financial crimes. She's always like less than a year exactly.

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Speaker 2: So we went around for trying to con sex workers

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Speaker 2: for a bit, but then he wound up using them

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Speaker 2: as accomplices in his cons instead of victims, because they

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Speaker 2: were like, we're gonna we're gonna learn you really quick.

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Speaker 3: This doesn't happen they bring us in or we're gonna

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Speaker 3: turn Yeah, and so.

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Speaker 2: He he has these more cons. He's doing cons like

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Speaker 2: he wouldn't believe. Let's take a break. I'm going to

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Speaker 2: fill you in on this next chapter of his life

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Speaker 2: of crime.

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Speaker 3: I'm taking this cat.

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Speaker 2: So meth alesh. Yeah, he will later be known as Natoirlal.

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Speaker 3: But I was wondering we'll get there.

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Speaker 2: So here's how India Today characterized his game quote. Natwarlal's

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Speaker 2: modus operandi was relatively simple. His initial operations involved the

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Speaker 2: swindling of goods from jewelry shops and large departmental stores

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Speaker 2: in the cities he visited. He would first open a

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Speaker 2: bank account in a large bank. He would then win

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Speaker 2: Natowilal would withdraw his bank account and on the same

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Speaker 2: to limit his purchases to a few thousand rupees so

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Speaker 2: as to combat any suspicion that might arise. He would

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00:20:45,400 --> 00:20:49,000
Speaker 2: then disappear from the city. Another of his favorite cons

437
00:20:49,320 --> 00:20:52,199
Speaker 2: was to open multiple bank accounts in a particular city

438
00:20:52,440 --> 00:20:54,919
Speaker 2: in the name of a fictitious company. He would then

439
00:20:55,040 --> 00:20:58,160
Speaker 2: hire an office complete with expensive looking furniture and well

440
00:20:58,200 --> 00:21:02,480
Speaker 2: groomed secretaries. Would gradually befriend the bank managers where he

441
00:21:02,520 --> 00:21:05,639
Speaker 2: had accounts by whining and dining them. Once he had

442
00:21:05,680 --> 00:21:08,480
Speaker 2: established a personal relationship, he would put in requests for

443
00:21:08,560 --> 00:21:11,320
Speaker 2: large overdrafts, and when the request was complied with, he

444
00:21:11,359 --> 00:21:12,520
Speaker 2: would quietly disappear.

445
00:21:12,720 --> 00:21:15,639
Speaker 3: So he would do a big house on bank managers.

446
00:21:15,240 --> 00:21:18,440
Speaker 2: Yeah and he's laying all this money in the setup

447
00:21:18,480 --> 00:21:20,240
Speaker 2: for it, you know, like he opens a big bank

448
00:21:20,240 --> 00:21:24,199
Speaker 2: account to swindle the jewelry stores and he's paying for

449
00:21:24,240 --> 00:21:25,840
Speaker 2: the jewelry for the first set of it.

450
00:21:26,119 --> 00:21:28,680
Speaker 3: Totally, it is brilliant. I said big, I mean big store,

451
00:21:29,320 --> 00:21:31,359
Speaker 3: you know, from the sting, which is basically you create

452
00:21:31,400 --> 00:21:33,719
Speaker 3: a fake business or fake front and then you know,

453
00:21:33,880 --> 00:21:35,800
Speaker 3: but he's doing on banks and it's so brilliant because

454
00:21:35,880 --> 00:21:38,920
Speaker 3: there's some of the most suspicious people you have going.

455
00:21:38,880 --> 00:21:41,480
Speaker 2: And whining and dining and he's winning them over.

456
00:21:41,840 --> 00:21:44,159
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's at therego. I love it.

457
00:21:44,200 --> 00:21:47,920
Speaker 2: Brilliant. One of his favorite cons to pull involved posing

458
00:21:48,000 --> 00:21:51,600
Speaker 2: as a government official. He would then try and sell

459
00:21:51,600 --> 00:21:52,680
Speaker 2: buildings to foreigners.

460
00:21:54,119 --> 00:21:55,800
Speaker 3: So you hear a British accent.

461
00:21:57,040 --> 00:22:00,639
Speaker 2: Oh he allegedly sold the taj Mahal three times.

462
00:22:00,880 --> 00:22:03,120
Speaker 3: Oh my god, do we know, like how or to who?

463
00:22:03,359 --> 00:22:06,160
Speaker 2: I wish I wish I could find out to whom

464
00:22:06,160 --> 00:22:09,199
Speaker 2: he was selling these properties. I would love to know

465
00:22:09,240 --> 00:22:12,960
Speaker 2: who tried to buy the taj Mahal. Marriotte Bonvoy. Maybe

466
00:22:13,320 --> 00:22:17,000
Speaker 2: he sold the Red Fort two times, and the President

467
00:22:17,040 --> 00:22:20,280
Speaker 2: of India's official residence as well as the Parliament, House

468
00:22:20,320 --> 00:22:23,200
Speaker 2: of India along with its five hundred plus.

469
00:22:22,920 --> 00:22:26,480
Speaker 3: Members Americans or the buyers. I'm just I'm just putting

470
00:22:26,480 --> 00:22:27,160
Speaker 3: it out there.

471
00:22:27,280 --> 00:22:30,800
Speaker 2: Probably because I think the British, you know, they knew

472
00:22:30,840 --> 00:22:31,800
Speaker 2: that you couldn't buy it.

473
00:22:31,840 --> 00:22:33,320
Speaker 3: I don't know, well, they had already kind of like

474
00:22:33,320 --> 00:22:37,280
Speaker 3: they already bought it, subjugated the whole area, so they're like, look.

475
00:22:38,040 --> 00:22:41,440
Speaker 2: His other big scams involved rail freight. Remember his dad

476
00:22:41,720 --> 00:22:43,600
Speaker 2: worked on the railroad, but not worked.

477
00:22:43,640 --> 00:22:43,920
Speaker 3: Worked.

478
00:22:44,880 --> 00:22:47,800
Speaker 2: He knew how everything worked though work, work worked. I

479
00:22:47,840 --> 00:22:50,480
Speaker 2: just keep saying that word. And he knew where there

480
00:22:50,480 --> 00:22:53,960
Speaker 2: were gaps in the system. So he'd go to stations

481
00:22:54,280 --> 00:22:56,159
Speaker 2: and he would check out the goods that were waiting

482
00:22:56,200 --> 00:22:59,119
Speaker 2: to be moved. Then he would create these like false

483
00:22:59,160 --> 00:23:02,280
Speaker 2: release orders and false checks and then take them. So

484
00:23:02,320 --> 00:23:04,239
Speaker 2: he sees what's out there waiting to get picked up,

485
00:23:04,520 --> 00:23:06,760
Speaker 2: quickly writes up the documents like, oh, those are mine,

486
00:23:06,760 --> 00:23:08,159
Speaker 2: I'll take those now, thank you so much.

487
00:23:08,240 --> 00:23:09,480
Speaker 3: So the ink is still wet.

488
00:23:09,600 --> 00:23:11,199
Speaker 2: Yes, what did he steal doing this?

489
00:23:11,240 --> 00:23:12,280
Speaker 3: What did he steal? Elizabeth?

490
00:23:12,320 --> 00:23:13,160
Speaker 2: A harmonium?

491
00:23:13,680 --> 00:23:16,560
Speaker 3: Wait, like one of those glass like like Benjamin Franklin

492
00:23:16,720 --> 00:23:18,520
Speaker 3: Organs where you turn the glass.

493
00:23:18,600 --> 00:23:20,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was worth one hundred and thirty five rupees.

494
00:23:21,280 --> 00:23:24,080
Speaker 3: That's cool. Ben's engine like a Mercedes Ben.

495
00:23:24,200 --> 00:23:25,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, he just sees an engine.

496
00:23:25,200 --> 00:23:26,120
Speaker 3: He's like, we'll take it.

497
00:23:26,240 --> 00:23:28,919
Speaker 2: I got a box of screws worth a thousand rupees

498
00:23:28,960 --> 00:23:31,600
Speaker 2: that was worth more than the harmonium box of screws.

499
00:23:31,880 --> 00:23:32,760
Speaker 3: You can do a lot more of that.

500
00:23:32,840 --> 00:23:35,960
Speaker 2: But it's small potatoes, so it's not like he sees like, oh,

501
00:23:36,000 --> 00:23:38,640
Speaker 2: this gigantic shipment. It's just little stuff here and there

502
00:23:38,720 --> 00:23:39,919
Speaker 2: that's easy enough for the pocket.

503
00:23:40,160 --> 00:23:42,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, and it holds value all the stuff, he says,

504
00:23:42,680 --> 00:23:43,359
Speaker 3: I mean yeah.

505
00:23:43,359 --> 00:23:45,439
Speaker 2: Well, then he started getting into bigger stuff. This is

506
00:23:45,520 --> 00:23:48,920
Speaker 2: again according to India Today quote. He would book railway

507
00:23:48,960 --> 00:23:53,120
Speaker 2: wagons for allegedly transporting sugar and other commodities. He would

508
00:23:53,119 --> 00:23:56,840
Speaker 2: pay the minimum transportation costs and then sell the consignment

509
00:23:56,880 --> 00:23:59,720
Speaker 2: to buyers at the destination by showing them forged receipts

510
00:23:59,760 --> 00:24:02,840
Speaker 2: for the supposed goods. When the consignment finally arrived, they

511
00:24:02,840 --> 00:24:06,040
Speaker 2: were nothing but bags of sand or bricks, no sugar

512
00:24:06,080 --> 00:24:08,720
Speaker 2: to be found. Another quote. One of his best known

513
00:24:08,800 --> 00:24:11,399
Speaker 2: stings was in the fifties, he gained the confidence of

514
00:24:11,440 --> 00:24:14,280
Speaker 2: a manager in the Punjab National Bank by posing as

515
00:24:14,280 --> 00:24:17,680
Speaker 2: a big businessman. He would book one bag of pulses

516
00:24:17,760 --> 00:24:19,879
Speaker 2: or rice to be sent by freight to Calcutta by

517
00:24:19,920 --> 00:24:23,480
Speaker 2: the railways. On the railway receipt he changed one bag

518
00:24:23,520 --> 00:24:26,399
Speaker 2: to one hundred or more and obtained advances from the

519
00:24:26,440 --> 00:24:30,320
Speaker 2: bank on these receipts. He rapidly built up such advances,

520
00:24:30,359 --> 00:24:32,680
Speaker 2: honoring only a few of them, and even got one

521
00:24:32,720 --> 00:24:35,439
Speaker 2: of the bank branches to advance money. When the total

522
00:24:35,480 --> 00:24:39,280
Speaker 2: reached six hundred and fifty thousand rupees, he abruptly cozy

523
00:24:39,359 --> 00:24:40,280
Speaker 2: account and vanished.

524
00:24:40,520 --> 00:24:41,120
Speaker 3: Did it work?

525
00:24:42,119 --> 00:24:45,680
Speaker 2: He got at so like as before, there's this textile

526
00:24:45,760 --> 00:24:49,680
Speaker 2: shortage going on in India. He went to the textile

527
00:24:49,680 --> 00:24:52,800
Speaker 2: commissioner in Bombay, pretending to be a purchase officer, and

528
00:24:52,840 --> 00:24:54,920
Speaker 2: he brought with him a guy fellow by the name

529
00:24:54,960 --> 00:24:58,680
Speaker 2: of natilal Oh real name, that's the guy's name.

530
00:24:59,160 --> 00:25:01,359
Speaker 3: Way to be confuse, he brings himself with himself.

531
00:25:01,440 --> 00:25:04,359
Speaker 2: He brings a man named Tolal and that's the guy's

532
00:25:04,359 --> 00:25:04,719
Speaker 2: real name.

533
00:25:04,800 --> 00:25:06,480
Speaker 3: So you think you pretend to be my name and

534
00:25:06,480 --> 00:25:07,400
Speaker 3: I'll be you know, at.

535
00:25:07,280 --> 00:25:09,960
Speaker 2: This point he's still mith Alesh.

536
00:25:10,000 --> 00:25:11,080
Speaker 4: And he and.

537
00:25:13,280 --> 00:25:17,800
Speaker 2: The guys approached manufacturers who were keen to get out

538
00:25:17,800 --> 00:25:21,879
Speaker 2: of turn allotments of cotton. So mitt Alesh and Natty

539
00:25:23,160 --> 00:25:28,280
Speaker 2: for real took advance payments from these manufacturers. They forged

540
00:25:28,640 --> 00:25:32,119
Speaker 2: railway release certificates and then told the dealers to collect

541
00:25:32,119 --> 00:25:35,000
Speaker 2: the goods from a certain train station. Okay, and then

542
00:25:35,160 --> 00:25:36,960
Speaker 2: they get to the station. Is the cotton there?

543
00:25:37,160 --> 00:25:37,400
Speaker 3: Yeah?

544
00:25:37,520 --> 00:25:44,640
Speaker 2: No, mit got busted on this one. Nilal got away. Now. However,

545
00:25:45,040 --> 00:25:47,639
Speaker 2: according to the India Times, the police thought that the

546
00:25:47,680 --> 00:25:52,280
Speaker 2: man that they caught our Mitteleh Wasntilal okay, and so

547
00:25:52,359 --> 00:25:54,960
Speaker 2: that became his name, and from that moment on he

548
00:25:55,160 --> 00:25:59,760
Speaker 2: was Natwilal or Natty Ice or Natty Gan or Natty Bumla.

549
00:26:00,080 --> 00:26:02,520
Speaker 3: In m So Meta Lush is met Lesh up to

550
00:26:02,560 --> 00:26:05,120
Speaker 3: this point. Yeah, and then he has his buddy who

551
00:26:05,200 --> 00:26:09,639
Speaker 3: goes with him, Natty. Yeah, Natty gets away and then

552
00:26:09,680 --> 00:26:13,320
Speaker 3: people decide met a Lesh is not the met Lesh

553
00:26:13,359 --> 00:26:15,200
Speaker 3: who got caught. He's the naughty who got away.

554
00:26:15,320 --> 00:26:19,200
Speaker 2: Yeah. So our guy Metelesh gets booked and they're like, oh, no, Twilal,

555
00:26:19,520 --> 00:26:21,879
Speaker 2: you don't have any priors, we'll book you in. He's like,

556
00:26:21,920 --> 00:26:24,119
Speaker 2: you're right, I don't have any priors.

557
00:26:24,440 --> 00:26:24,679
Speaker 3: So he.

558
00:26:27,160 --> 00:26:30,520
Speaker 2: Oh wow, wiping out all of his stuff. So they

559
00:26:30,520 --> 00:26:33,120
Speaker 2: think that Mitlesh is on the run out there. Yes,

560
00:26:33,240 --> 00:26:37,520
Speaker 2: and he becomes he becomeslal So in the fifties and sixties,

561
00:26:37,560 --> 00:26:39,840
Speaker 2: those were good conning years for him.

562
00:26:39,800 --> 00:26:43,240
Speaker 3: I bet and he he's got a blank slate, latebla

563
00:26:43,359 --> 00:26:44,080
Speaker 3: rasa man.

564
00:26:44,160 --> 00:26:46,360
Speaker 2: He struck all across the country and it happens again

565
00:26:46,400 --> 00:26:49,520
Speaker 2: for him too. It's said that in nineteen sixty three

566
00:26:49,560 --> 00:26:53,520
Speaker 2: he managed the theft of goods worth ten million rupees.

567
00:26:53,359 --> 00:26:56,440
Speaker 3: Nineteen sixty three, sixties in his early fifties. Yeah, he's

568
00:26:56,480 --> 00:27:00,480
Speaker 3: just like a vet. Yeah.

569
00:27:00,800 --> 00:27:04,200
Speaker 2: He was wanted in seven different states under thirty different

570
00:27:04,280 --> 00:27:07,040
Speaker 2: names because he realized, oh wait, I used the other.

571
00:27:06,960 --> 00:27:10,600
Speaker 3: Name all thing. He's like a Japanese calligraphy.

572
00:27:09,000 --> 00:27:10,680
Speaker 2: People still they're like, oh, it's that guy in a

573
00:27:10,760 --> 00:27:12,719
Speaker 2: twirlol that we busted for the cotton thing.

574
00:27:12,800 --> 00:27:14,880
Speaker 3: They're still tying it back that name.

575
00:27:15,000 --> 00:27:18,040
Speaker 2: Maybe. One place he pulled a lot of his shipping

576
00:27:18,080 --> 00:27:21,960
Speaker 2: switcheru cons was Lucknow, and it seems like a really

577
00:27:22,040 --> 00:27:25,000
Speaker 2: lovely place. By the way, what was unlucky for the

578
00:27:25,040 --> 00:27:29,440
Speaker 2: city of Lucknow was very lucky for Natwirlal. There was

579
00:27:29,480 --> 00:27:32,680
Speaker 2: a huge flood there in nineteen sixty one of the

580
00:27:32,720 --> 00:27:35,240
Speaker 2: worst on record for a city that seems to flood

581
00:27:35,320 --> 00:27:38,639
Speaker 2: quite a bit. So the Gumpti River overflowed its banks

582
00:27:38,680 --> 00:27:42,160
Speaker 2: and the city was submerged under meters of water. Why

583
00:27:42,240 --> 00:27:43,639
Speaker 2: was that lucky for Natty?

584
00:27:44,240 --> 00:27:44,840
Speaker 3: He floats.

585
00:27:45,000 --> 00:27:47,840
Speaker 2: Well, all of his case files in that city were

586
00:27:47,960 --> 00:27:52,440
Speaker 2: washed away and destroyed, yet another clean slate, so there's

587
00:27:52,440 --> 00:27:55,520
Speaker 2: no records. But it wasn't just lucknow that didn't have records.

588
00:27:55,800 --> 00:27:58,280
Speaker 2: Bahar State where he's from, has no files of his

589
00:27:58,359 --> 00:27:59,920
Speaker 2: crime past the age of forty four.

590
00:28:00,520 --> 00:28:02,200
Speaker 3: Really, yeah, they just gave up.

591
00:28:02,320 --> 00:28:05,359
Speaker 2: I don't know, paid stole them, who knows. It doesn't

592
00:28:05,400 --> 00:28:08,439
Speaker 2: mean he wasn't criming though. But he gets arrested and

593
00:28:08,520 --> 00:28:12,480
Speaker 2: sent to jail many many times, and speaking to jail

594
00:28:12,560 --> 00:28:14,200
Speaker 2: he had a gift for escaping.

595
00:28:14,359 --> 00:28:15,600
Speaker 3: I was just about to ask.

596
00:28:15,720 --> 00:28:18,959
Speaker 2: Yeah, he said that no prison in India could actually

597
00:28:18,960 --> 00:28:19,400
Speaker 2: hold him.

598
00:28:19,440 --> 00:28:19,919
Speaker 3: I bet not.

599
00:28:20,080 --> 00:28:20,159
Speaker 4: No.

600
00:28:20,440 --> 00:28:22,880
Speaker 2: And after all, like, as long as there's a dishonest cop,

601
00:28:23,040 --> 00:28:24,879
Speaker 2: you can always figure out a way to get up.

602
00:28:24,920 --> 00:28:27,640
Speaker 3: This is true. So for example, and where there is poverty,

603
00:28:27,680 --> 00:28:29,200
Speaker 3: there's going to be dishonest cops.

604
00:28:29,280 --> 00:28:32,760
Speaker 2: Yes, there. It is early fifties. He gets arrested on

605
00:28:32,840 --> 00:28:35,520
Speaker 2: three charges of cheating. I don't know what kind of

606
00:28:35,600 --> 00:28:39,360
Speaker 2: cheating is cheating. On his way back to jail from court,

607
00:28:39,520 --> 00:28:42,200
Speaker 2: he convinced the cops escorting him to let him visit

608
00:28:42,240 --> 00:28:44,840
Speaker 2: his wife, who he said was at a nearby house. Okay, like,

609
00:28:44,880 --> 00:28:47,000
Speaker 2: you're about to lock me up, please, I need to

610
00:28:47,000 --> 00:28:47,440
Speaker 2: see her.

611
00:28:47,760 --> 00:28:49,600
Speaker 3: The cops agree, here's the love of my life. Give

612
00:28:49,680 --> 00:28:51,240
Speaker 3: me only five minutes with her. Yeah.

613
00:28:51,320 --> 00:28:54,040
Speaker 2: So the cops are like, okay, and we'll be respectful.

614
00:28:54,040 --> 00:28:55,760
Speaker 2: We'll stay outside the front door of the house to

615
00:28:55,800 --> 00:28:58,160
Speaker 2: guard it while you go have your last intimate moments

616
00:28:58,160 --> 00:28:58,640
Speaker 2: with your wife.

617
00:28:58,720 --> 00:29:00,000
Speaker 3: Now do you think this is like a conjuct?

618
00:29:01,680 --> 00:29:04,080
Speaker 2: I'm wondering if they stood outside, if maybe that's what

619
00:29:04,120 --> 00:29:09,400
Speaker 2: they thought Inside he climbed out of a skylight and escape. Zoinks,

620
00:29:10,360 --> 00:29:12,440
Speaker 2: there's another good escape story, Zaren.

621
00:29:13,760 --> 00:29:15,440
Speaker 3: Oh wow, you stuck it up on me.

622
00:29:15,960 --> 00:29:16,680
Speaker 2: I want you to pick.

623
00:29:16,800 --> 00:29:17,880
Speaker 3: How are you always able to do that?

624
00:29:17,920 --> 00:29:22,920
Speaker 2: I know every time. It's February nineteen fifty seven. Lucknow,

625
00:29:23,280 --> 00:29:27,240
Speaker 2: capital city of Uttar Pradesh. It is ten years after

626
00:29:27,320 --> 00:29:30,479
Speaker 2: India was liberated from British rule. There's a general election

627
00:29:30,600 --> 00:29:34,400
Speaker 2: coming up. Lucknow is a bustling city of almost half

628
00:29:34,400 --> 00:29:37,720
Speaker 2: a million souls, A blend of Hindu and Muslim cultures.

629
00:29:37,760 --> 00:29:41,280
Speaker 2: The vibe of lucknow is one of beauty and art

630
00:29:41,400 --> 00:29:45,160
Speaker 2: and literature, graceful living. You are on your way to work.

631
00:29:45,440 --> 00:29:47,840
Speaker 2: As you pass through the marketplace, you hear a transistor

632
00:29:47,920 --> 00:29:50,880
Speaker 2: radio playing what sounds like an old raga. The tune

633
00:29:50,920 --> 00:29:52,880
Speaker 2: sounds like when your mother used to hume one that

634
00:29:52,920 --> 00:29:56,520
Speaker 2: accompanied a gazol, a poem about love and loss. I

635
00:29:56,560 --> 00:30:00,120
Speaker 2: love gazal's, by the way, it's usually couplets and and

636
00:30:00,160 --> 00:30:02,400
Speaker 2: the poet hides their name phonetically in the final cup.

637
00:30:02,400 --> 00:30:05,280
Speaker 2: But anyway. You buy a kebab from a vendor and

638
00:30:05,360 --> 00:30:07,720
Speaker 2: continue on to work, a bus passing you on the

639
00:30:07,800 --> 00:30:10,640
Speaker 2: busy street. When you arrive at work, it's quiet, just

640
00:30:10,680 --> 00:30:12,959
Speaker 2: the hum of a fan and the occasional opening and

641
00:30:12,960 --> 00:30:15,920
Speaker 2: closing of heavy doors. You work at the local jail.

642
00:30:16,320 --> 00:30:18,560
Speaker 2: It's an ugly place and a beautiful city, and an

643
00:30:18,640 --> 00:30:21,320
Speaker 2: ugly job that someone must do, and that someone is you.

644
00:30:22,080 --> 00:30:25,280
Speaker 2: It's been entertaining at work lately, though, after all, you

645
00:30:25,360 --> 00:30:29,840
Speaker 2: have the infamous Natwilol in your confines. You clock in

646
00:30:29,920 --> 00:30:32,240
Speaker 2: and then begin your rounds. As you walk down the

647
00:30:32,240 --> 00:30:34,680
Speaker 2: hall of the cell block, prisoners mumble and flip through

648
00:30:34,720 --> 00:30:37,480
Speaker 2: pages of books in their cells. One starts to clank

649
00:30:37,480 --> 00:30:39,200
Speaker 2: a cup against the bars, but you shoot him a

650
00:30:39,240 --> 00:30:42,240
Speaker 2: dirty look and he immediately stops. You smile and thanks.

651
00:30:42,840 --> 00:30:45,080
Speaker 2: As you pass in a twilaal's cell, you do a

652
00:30:45,080 --> 00:30:47,720
Speaker 2: double take. He's in there, but he's dressed in a

653
00:30:47,840 --> 00:30:52,360
Speaker 2: uniform one for a deputy superintendent of police. He motions

654
00:30:52,360 --> 00:30:55,080
Speaker 2: for you to come closer. You approach the bars and

655
00:30:55,080 --> 00:30:57,120
Speaker 2: ask him how he got the uniform. He tells you

656
00:30:57,160 --> 00:30:59,200
Speaker 2: not to worry about it. He then passes you a

657
00:30:59,200 --> 00:31:03,080
Speaker 2: briefcase through the bars. You open it and it's crammed

658
00:31:03,080 --> 00:31:06,640
Speaker 2: full of rupees. Your eyes get wide. Take it, he says,

659
00:31:07,200 --> 00:31:09,000
Speaker 2: and then open this door and let me out of here.

660
00:31:09,520 --> 00:31:12,480
Speaker 2: This is ridiculous. But then he leans in and whispers

661
00:31:12,480 --> 00:31:15,760
Speaker 2: to you in the long road of love, why do

662
00:31:15,840 --> 00:31:19,800
Speaker 2: you wail? Just watch and wait how things unveil. It's

663
00:31:19,840 --> 00:31:22,880
Speaker 2: a line from a gazal by Lucknow's oone mire taki mir.

664
00:31:23,520 --> 00:31:26,000
Speaker 2: It's the ghazal that swam in your head as you

665
00:31:26,040 --> 00:31:27,920
Speaker 2: made your way to work. You have no choice. You

666
00:31:27,960 --> 00:31:30,880
Speaker 2: must let him out. You take the briefcase from him

667
00:31:30,880 --> 00:31:33,560
Speaker 2: and unlock the cell door as it creaks open. The

668
00:31:33,640 --> 00:31:36,120
Speaker 2: Toilal nods to you and breezes by, heading for the

669
00:31:36,120 --> 00:31:39,400
Speaker 2: front door of the prison. So brazen, he has to

670
00:31:39,440 --> 00:31:41,680
Speaker 2: walk by two other guards in order to get out

671
00:31:41,680 --> 00:31:44,400
Speaker 2: of the building. He puffs up his chest and struts

672
00:31:44,400 --> 00:31:47,280
Speaker 2: by them. They salute him and go on with their days.

673
00:31:47,920 --> 00:31:49,400
Speaker 2: You go to the window and you watch as he

674
00:31:49,400 --> 00:31:51,680
Speaker 2: heads to a waiting car. He gets in and it

675
00:31:51,680 --> 00:31:53,680
Speaker 2: begins to roll away from the curb, but then it

676
00:31:53,800 --> 00:31:57,120
Speaker 2: sputters and backfires and grinds to a halt. The Toilal

677
00:31:57,240 --> 00:31:59,360
Speaker 2: jumps out and looks back and forth on the street

678
00:32:00,160 --> 00:32:03,200
Speaker 2: panic though. He sees a passing hearse and he raises

679
00:32:03,240 --> 00:32:06,360
Speaker 2: his hand at it. The hearse stops, the Toilal sticks

680
00:32:06,400 --> 00:32:08,640
Speaker 2: his head through the passenger side window. He and the

681
00:32:08,720 --> 00:32:12,200
Speaker 2: undertaker have a quick conversation. Then the Toilal jumps into

682
00:32:12,200 --> 00:32:14,720
Speaker 2: the hearse and it tears away down the road. You

683
00:32:14,800 --> 00:32:17,840
Speaker 2: head back to your desk and surreptitiously open the briefcase.

684
00:32:17,920 --> 00:32:20,760
Speaker 2: Away from view. There are rupees on top of the pile,

685
00:32:20,800 --> 00:32:22,960
Speaker 2: but you realize that the rest of the case is

686
00:32:23,000 --> 00:32:26,160
Speaker 2: just filled with cut up newspaper. You chuckle to yourself

687
00:32:26,200 --> 00:32:30,040
Speaker 2: as it falls to the floor. So to Twilal. He

688
00:32:30,240 --> 00:32:33,360
Speaker 2: used variations of this trick, telling a guard or official

689
00:32:33,400 --> 00:32:35,800
Speaker 2: that there would be money waiting for him if he'd

690
00:32:35,800 --> 00:32:37,600
Speaker 2: help him with an escape, when in fact there was

691
00:32:37,640 --> 00:32:40,800
Speaker 2: no money. So that's that's a common thing.

692
00:32:41,000 --> 00:32:43,880
Speaker 3: Also, I'm assuming he had to con a previous guard

693
00:32:43,960 --> 00:32:45,640
Speaker 3: to get the uniform and then.

694
00:32:45,600 --> 00:32:47,760
Speaker 2: Previous in them.

695
00:32:47,880 --> 00:32:49,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly, and also get the briefcase.

696
00:32:49,720 --> 00:32:52,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, someone's got to get the uniform smuggle it into him. Yeah,

697
00:32:52,800 --> 00:32:55,160
Speaker 2: the whole thing. So he's got multiple people that he's.

698
00:32:55,040 --> 00:32:58,479
Speaker 3: Work a pyramid scheme of like little minor in prison

699
00:32:58,560 --> 00:32:59,440
Speaker 3: scams and cons.

700
00:32:59,480 --> 00:33:02,720
Speaker 2: I love it, exactly exactly. Let's take a break and

701
00:33:02,800 --> 00:33:05,240
Speaker 2: after these beautiful ads, I'm going to tell you all

702
00:33:05,280 --> 00:33:06,440
Speaker 2: about his next adventures.

703
00:33:06,480 --> 00:33:30,120
Speaker 3: Ooh, hot buttery ads. Zaren Elizabeth over here.

704
00:33:30,240 --> 00:33:32,720
Speaker 2: Yay, it's early nineteen seventy five.

705
00:33:32,920 --> 00:33:35,000
Speaker 3: Oh, I've got to pay my taxes at least.

706
00:33:34,800 --> 00:33:37,680
Speaker 2: In this story. I don't know if it's true in

707
00:33:37,720 --> 00:33:40,000
Speaker 2: the world outside the studio, but where we are right now,

708
00:33:40,200 --> 00:33:41,520
Speaker 2: early nineteen seventy.

709
00:33:41,400 --> 00:33:43,800
Speaker 3: Ah, that explains the incense totally.

710
00:33:43,400 --> 00:33:48,120
Speaker 2: Does Natwarlos had just escaped from jail yet again. He

711
00:33:48,200 --> 00:33:51,280
Speaker 2: traveled to a new city under a fake name, and

712
00:33:51,320 --> 00:33:53,200
Speaker 2: he would go around telling everyone that he was a

713
00:33:53,280 --> 00:33:56,200
Speaker 2: visiting businessman from Bombay. How do you do?

714
00:33:56,440 --> 00:33:58,240
Speaker 3: Course, that's his move, he said that before it.

715
00:33:58,160 --> 00:34:00,320
Speaker 2: He uses it all the time. And then once again,

716
00:34:00,720 --> 00:34:03,960
Speaker 2: he builds a relationship with a local sugar dealer. He's like, where,

717
00:34:04,040 --> 00:34:06,080
Speaker 2: who are all the big dealers in town? They're like, oh,

718
00:34:06,120 --> 00:34:09,480
Speaker 2: that guy over there, Robbie, he's super big into sugar. Like, okay,

719
00:34:09,480 --> 00:34:12,719
Speaker 2: what's up? And so he placed an order with him

720
00:34:12,719 --> 00:34:15,120
Speaker 2: for two hundred and thirty five bags of sugar worth

721
00:34:15,160 --> 00:34:18,680
Speaker 2: eighty two thousand rupees to be delivered to his business

722
00:34:18,680 --> 00:34:21,640
Speaker 2: in Bombay. Just send it to my office. I love sugar.

723
00:34:21,920 --> 00:34:24,719
Speaker 2: I can't get enough. And he's like, okay, eighty two

724
00:34:24,800 --> 00:34:27,319
Speaker 2: grand all right, well here's four thousand, and I'm gonna

725
00:34:27,320 --> 00:34:28,960
Speaker 2: pay you the rest when I get it, because like,

726
00:34:29,400 --> 00:34:30,320
Speaker 2: I don't trust.

727
00:34:30,160 --> 00:34:34,200
Speaker 3: You, so like five percent down payment essentially. Yeah okay.

728
00:34:34,520 --> 00:34:38,280
Speaker 2: And so instead he goes to Bombay and he meets

729
00:34:38,320 --> 00:34:42,480
Speaker 2: with the president of the Bombay Sugar Merchants Association and

730
00:34:42,600 --> 00:34:45,840
Speaker 2: he convinces him that he was a close friend of

731
00:34:45,880 --> 00:34:50,440
Speaker 2: the president's recently deceased uncle and that he has two

732
00:34:50,520 --> 00:34:52,600
Speaker 2: hundred and thirty five bags of sugar to sell. He's like,

733
00:34:52,680 --> 00:34:55,360
Speaker 2: I am so sorry to hear about your uncle Rip.

734
00:34:55,600 --> 00:34:58,880
Speaker 2: He was a very good friend him. Two hundred and

735
00:34:58,920 --> 00:34:59,960
Speaker 2: thirty five bags of sugar.

736
00:35:00,320 --> 00:35:01,279
Speaker 3: He would have wanted them.

737
00:35:01,320 --> 00:35:03,840
Speaker 2: You're the president of the Bombay Sugar Merchants Association. I

738
00:35:03,880 --> 00:35:07,280
Speaker 2: was liked, this makes so much sense. So they agree

739
00:35:07,280 --> 00:35:09,680
Speaker 2: on a price, and then the sugar comes to the

740
00:35:09,680 --> 00:35:14,960
Speaker 2: train station. Toilal he hands over forged receipts and gives

741
00:35:15,000 --> 00:35:19,000
Speaker 2: the sugar to the Merchant's Association president and he he said,

742
00:35:19,040 --> 00:35:22,400
Speaker 2: you know what, I know, we agreed on whatever, Like

743
00:35:22,600 --> 00:35:25,840
Speaker 2: you know, ninety thousand, I'll take I'll do this for

744
00:35:26,000 --> 00:35:30,080
Speaker 2: sixty thousand rupees and we can figure out the rest

745
00:35:30,120 --> 00:35:32,680
Speaker 2: with future business deals. This is just a good beginning

746
00:35:32,680 --> 00:35:34,759
Speaker 2: of our relationship. So the President's like, I got a

747
00:35:34,760 --> 00:35:36,600
Speaker 2: great deal on this sugar.

748
00:35:36,760 --> 00:35:37,760
Speaker 3: Got a new business friend.

749
00:35:38,000 --> 00:35:41,520
Speaker 2: Yeah. And then Toila puts down four thousand on the

750
00:35:41,640 --> 00:35:44,360
Speaker 2: on the shipment, So he's walking away with whatever. Sixty

751
00:35:44,400 --> 00:35:49,560
Speaker 2: thousand minus four thousand is fifty four fifty six seventy

752
00:35:49,640 --> 00:35:54,200
Speaker 2: eight thousand dollars. It's not rupees one eighteen thousand, Yeah,

753
00:35:54,360 --> 00:36:00,840
Speaker 2: fifty fifty or whatever. Fifty six thousand rupees. So he

754
00:36:00,920 --> 00:36:03,120
Speaker 2: wand that's a great deal. And he got to play

755
00:36:03,160 --> 00:36:04,200
Speaker 2: a part he wants to play.

756
00:36:04,239 --> 00:36:05,720
Speaker 3: His character got to wear a fun suit.

757
00:36:05,840 --> 00:36:08,040
Speaker 2: So but then he's not done. He's still in his

758
00:36:08,080 --> 00:36:11,200
Speaker 2: fun suit, this a little neuro jacket. He then he

759
00:36:11,239 --> 00:36:13,040
Speaker 2: writes a letter to the first sugar dealer.

760
00:36:13,080 --> 00:36:13,880
Speaker 3: Okay, oh yeah, the one.

761
00:36:14,000 --> 00:36:16,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, and he's like, you know what, I want to

762
00:36:16,239 --> 00:36:18,400
Speaker 2: buy another one hundred and fifty thousand dollars rupers of

763
00:36:18,440 --> 00:36:19,040
Speaker 2: sugar from you.

764
00:36:19,200 --> 00:36:20,160
Speaker 3: That works so good last year.

765
00:36:20,200 --> 00:36:23,960
Speaker 2: I still haven't paid for the first but like dang.

766
00:36:24,080 --> 00:36:25,640
Speaker 3: Fork it over. He got that good sugar.

767
00:36:25,880 --> 00:36:29,560
Speaker 2: So before the dealer understands it not only was the

768
00:36:29,560 --> 00:36:31,560
Speaker 2: offer fake, but that he wouldn't get paid for the

769
00:36:31,600 --> 00:36:34,960
Speaker 2: original shipment, the tila long gone. So he did it.

770
00:36:35,080 --> 00:36:38,440
Speaker 2: He got through, sells another one hundred and fifty thousand

771
00:36:38,480 --> 00:36:41,120
Speaker 2: dollars to the sugar association.

772
00:36:41,160 --> 00:36:42,880
Speaker 3: And on the third one, guys like this is the

773
00:36:42,920 --> 00:36:46,160
Speaker 3: one I'd like to be paid on. Yeah, Hello, Hello, Hello.

774
00:36:46,120 --> 00:36:53,720
Speaker 2: Michelle, Hello Michelle. So two years later, sure, he gets caught, jailed,

775
00:36:54,320 --> 00:36:56,880
Speaker 2: sentenced to twenty six years in prison.

776
00:36:57,120 --> 00:36:58,000
Speaker 3: He needs to break.

777
00:36:57,760 --> 00:37:01,479
Speaker 2: Out, Yeah for a con. Back in nineteen fifty six.

778
00:37:01,800 --> 00:37:04,600
Speaker 2: Oh so it wasn't even like the seventy five sugar con.

779
00:37:04,600 --> 00:37:06,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, it wasn't like recent stuff. So I've been holding

780
00:37:06,800 --> 00:37:07,320
Speaker 3: a grudge.

781
00:37:07,360 --> 00:37:09,359
Speaker 2: It was when it was back in nineteen fifty six

782
00:37:09,400 --> 00:37:11,520
Speaker 2: he conned a bank into giving him four hundred and

783
00:37:11,520 --> 00:37:12,680
Speaker 2: fifty thousand rupees.

784
00:37:13,239 --> 00:37:15,279
Speaker 3: I mean, come on, that was then. This is now.

785
00:37:15,480 --> 00:37:18,160
Speaker 2: So now he's in custody and he gets sent back

786
00:37:18,200 --> 00:37:20,120
Speaker 2: to Bombay for another pending trial.

787
00:37:20,239 --> 00:37:21,280
Speaker 3: I'm telling you yeah.

788
00:37:21,320 --> 00:37:24,600
Speaker 2: And then once he's there, he complains of kidney issues.

789
00:37:24,719 --> 00:37:26,960
Speaker 2: He's like, ow, am my kidneys.

790
00:37:26,280 --> 00:37:27,439
Speaker 3: Got this pain in the back.

791
00:37:28,719 --> 00:37:31,520
Speaker 2: And they're like, you know, we're decent folk, will take

792
00:37:31,560 --> 00:37:33,640
Speaker 2: you to the doctor. On the way to the doctor,

793
00:37:33,760 --> 00:37:36,719
Speaker 2: he convinces the constable accompanying him to make a quick

794
00:37:36,719 --> 00:37:37,960
Speaker 2: stop at a fancy hotel.

795
00:37:38,320 --> 00:37:39,960
Speaker 3: I was going to a joke like, He's like, we

796
00:37:40,040 --> 00:37:42,879
Speaker 3: just make one. He really did that? Can we make

797
00:37:42,920 --> 00:37:43,640
Speaker 3: one quick stop?

798
00:37:43,640 --> 00:37:46,400
Speaker 2: They're like okay, And he's at this super fancy hotel.

799
00:37:46,480 --> 00:37:48,360
Speaker 3: He's a nice place. I need to go get.

800
00:37:48,239 --> 00:37:50,279
Speaker 2: Some money there that I have there, and I'm going

801
00:37:50,320 --> 00:37:52,359
Speaker 2: to give you some of it as thanks, because you've

802
00:37:52,360 --> 00:37:54,880
Speaker 2: taken such good care of me. How my kidneys, We're.

803
00:37:54,719 --> 00:37:56,960
Speaker 3: Going to need money for the commissary in the hospital.

804
00:37:57,280 --> 00:37:59,440
Speaker 2: And so at the hotel he tells the com now

805
00:37:59,560 --> 00:38:02,760
Speaker 2: my kidney wait in the lobby while I go upstairs

806
00:38:02,800 --> 00:38:06,080
Speaker 2: to get the money. And the constable, who probably lost

807
00:38:06,120 --> 00:38:07,240
Speaker 2: his job, was like okay.

808
00:38:07,760 --> 00:38:11,719
Speaker 3: So he says, you're kidding me, an escape person.

809
00:38:11,560 --> 00:38:14,440
Speaker 2: Completely and Natirle is like holding his side in his back.

810
00:38:14,520 --> 00:38:16,279
Speaker 3: He's like, God, really milking it.

811
00:38:16,360 --> 00:38:19,480
Speaker 2: Kidneys are acting up, dad, And off he goes. And

812
00:38:19,520 --> 00:38:21,800
Speaker 2: so the you know, constable's sitting there in the lobby.

813
00:38:22,000 --> 00:38:27,759
Speaker 2: Ten minutes, thirty minutes, thirty minutes go by, and then

814
00:38:27,800 --> 00:38:31,239
Speaker 2: he realizes I think he I think he left. Do

815
00:38:31,320 --> 00:38:35,680
Speaker 2: you take a Napes magazine people watching?

816
00:38:35,880 --> 00:38:36,840
Speaker 3: You know what I'm thinking?

817
00:38:36,920 --> 00:38:38,360
Speaker 2: I bet he was great people watching.

818
00:38:38,440 --> 00:38:38,920
Speaker 3: I bet so.

819
00:38:39,000 --> 00:38:41,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, nataral wall is gone. He wouldn't be seen or

820
00:38:41,920 --> 00:38:44,360
Speaker 2: like at least identified, for another seven or eight years,

821
00:38:44,400 --> 00:38:46,879
Speaker 2: and a lot of people thought he was dead. One

822
00:38:46,880 --> 00:38:48,920
Speaker 2: of the deputies who dealt with him over the years

823
00:38:48,960 --> 00:38:52,200
Speaker 2: described him as quote a wonder man, though I never

824
00:38:52,239 --> 00:38:54,480
Speaker 2: forgot even for a second that he was a cheat

825
00:38:54,520 --> 00:38:58,440
Speaker 2: and a criminal. He is articulate and erudite and armed

826
00:38:58,480 --> 00:39:01,640
Speaker 2: with a sugarcoated tongue. He is an excellent judge of

827
00:39:01,719 --> 00:39:03,480
Speaker 2: character and makes friends very easily.

828
00:39:03,840 --> 00:39:06,120
Speaker 3: I love these cops who have these like homore erotic

829
00:39:06,160 --> 00:39:08,960
Speaker 3: crushes on the people that they chase. It's just like

830
00:39:09,040 --> 00:39:11,480
Speaker 3: he's like, Oh, he's the kind of man I'd want

831
00:39:11,480 --> 00:39:12,719
Speaker 3: to be if I was on the other side of

832
00:39:12,719 --> 00:39:13,160
Speaker 3: the line.

833
00:39:13,239 --> 00:39:14,879
Speaker 2: Well, and I think that part of it is they

834
00:39:14,960 --> 00:39:21,080
Speaker 2: must be dealing with absolutely just brick dumb people all day.

835
00:39:21,480 --> 00:39:26,040
Speaker 3: Yes, you know, just dumber some of their coworkers have.

836
00:39:26,680 --> 00:39:27,960
Speaker 3: And then the criminals they're busted.

837
00:39:28,239 --> 00:39:30,520
Speaker 2: Like the criminals, you see people that do stuff and

838
00:39:30,560 --> 00:39:32,600
Speaker 2: you think, when in a million years did you think

839
00:39:32,600 --> 00:39:36,120
Speaker 2: that would work? And they're just stupid, and so they

840
00:39:36,280 --> 00:39:38,200
Speaker 2: you know, like they deal with that. And then when

841
00:39:38,200 --> 00:39:40,920
Speaker 2: they have someone who kind of poses a challenge and

842
00:39:41,040 --> 00:39:42,960
Speaker 2: is you know, this guy's actually really smart and if

843
00:39:42,960 --> 00:39:46,040
Speaker 2: they don't hurt people, they generally not hurting people. And

844
00:39:46,080 --> 00:39:48,759
Speaker 2: then you have the notion too that like he's so

845
00:39:48,960 --> 00:39:51,200
Speaker 2: charming and he just went we see like you said,

846
00:39:51,239 --> 00:39:52,480
Speaker 2: we see this over and over.

847
00:39:52,600 --> 00:39:55,120
Speaker 3: He wears fun suits, he's got he'll.

848
00:39:55,440 --> 00:40:00,480
Speaker 2: Traveled, prominent. Adam z Apple well so anyw wa n

849
00:40:00,560 --> 00:40:03,319
Speaker 2: twirlal not dead at this point, I guess not.

850
00:40:03,480 --> 00:40:03,680
Speaker 3: Yeah.

851
00:40:03,719 --> 00:40:06,520
Speaker 2: In the mid eighties he found a printer who was

852
00:40:06,560 --> 00:40:10,319
Speaker 2: willing to print him falsified bank drafts, okay, and then

853
00:40:10,400 --> 00:40:13,440
Speaker 2: he gets these two other buddies and they help him out.

854
00:40:13,480 --> 00:40:15,880
Speaker 2: They help him hide the money that he stole, and

855
00:40:15,920 --> 00:40:17,400
Speaker 2: now he's ready to start a new.

856
00:40:17,320 --> 00:40:19,239
Speaker 3: Scam, new name, new scam.

857
00:40:19,280 --> 00:40:22,520
Speaker 2: So in nineteen eighty six, he began targeting jewelers for

858
00:40:22,640 --> 00:40:26,839
Speaker 2: thefts once again, but this kind he's using aliases. He's

859
00:40:26,920 --> 00:40:28,880
Speaker 2: like making up even crazier stories.

860
00:40:29,440 --> 00:40:31,959
Speaker 3: He's seventy years old too. I love this because people

861
00:40:31,960 --> 00:40:33,759
Speaker 3: are going to trust a seventy year old man. Now

862
00:40:33,760 --> 00:40:35,960
Speaker 3: he's all of a sudden got the gravitazed. Oh, he

863
00:40:35,960 --> 00:40:37,520
Speaker 3: wouldn't be counning me. Yeah.

864
00:40:37,560 --> 00:40:40,040
Speaker 2: In one theft, he goes to a jeweler in deli

865
00:40:40,160 --> 00:40:42,719
Speaker 2: and he tells him that he's the personal secretary to

866
00:40:42,840 --> 00:40:45,359
Speaker 2: then Finance Minister VP Singh.

867
00:40:45,560 --> 00:40:46,360
Speaker 3: Totally believable.

868
00:40:46,440 --> 00:40:48,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean here's this whole Yeah, and that Singh

869
00:40:48,880 --> 00:40:51,560
Speaker 2: wanted to buy necklaces for his son's upcoming wedding.

870
00:40:51,680 --> 00:40:53,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'd buy that.

871
00:40:53,320 --> 00:40:55,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, And that makes sense. And so then natwirl Wal

872
00:40:55,560 --> 00:40:58,879
Speaker 2: he chooses these really expensive necklaces.

873
00:40:58,680 --> 00:40:59,960
Speaker 3: Befitting the son of Singh.

874
00:41:00,280 --> 00:41:02,080
Speaker 2: Sure for a wedding, like it's going to be this

875
00:41:02,160 --> 00:41:04,440
Speaker 2: lavish event. He and the shop owner they go to

876
00:41:04,480 --> 00:41:08,200
Speaker 2: a nearby bank and with the shop owner outside once again,

877
00:41:08,280 --> 00:41:12,319
Speaker 2: come with me wait out here. Natwirlal goes inside and

878
00:41:12,360 --> 00:41:14,239
Speaker 2: then says he's going to have the bank draft for

879
00:41:14,280 --> 00:41:17,600
Speaker 2: the amount oh drawn up. But remember he had those

880
00:41:17,680 --> 00:41:20,160
Speaker 2: dudes writing up the fake ones. So he gives the

881
00:41:20,239 --> 00:41:23,040
Speaker 2: jeweler a draft for eighty two thousand rupees and left

882
00:41:23,040 --> 00:41:26,879
Speaker 2: with the necklaces. And then later you know, guy goes

883
00:41:26,920 --> 00:41:28,399
Speaker 2: to the bank. Sorry, those are fake.

884
00:41:29,000 --> 00:41:30,200
Speaker 3: We don't know that paper right.

885
00:41:30,400 --> 00:41:35,279
Speaker 2: That's this is another per India Today quote. Dressed in

886
00:41:35,320 --> 00:41:38,840
Speaker 2: a spotless white shirt and trousers, Natwirlal posed as a

887
00:41:38,840 --> 00:41:44,440
Speaker 2: personal assistant to the Union Finance Minister nd Tiwari and

888
00:41:44,480 --> 00:41:47,480
Speaker 2: went to a watch dealer in New Delhi's busy Connaught Place.

889
00:41:47,920 --> 00:41:52,919
Speaker 2: He told the proprietor, Sorenda Sharma that the Congress Parliamentary

890
00:41:52,960 --> 00:41:55,360
Speaker 2: Party was having an important meeting in which the members

891
00:41:55,360 --> 00:41:59,280
Speaker 2: were to be presented watches. So I mean that seems

892
00:41:59,280 --> 00:42:01,880
Speaker 2: like yeah, I can see them giving out like commemorative watch.

893
00:42:01,840 --> 00:42:03,640
Speaker 3: As for this and I like that. They point out

894
00:42:03,640 --> 00:42:06,640
Speaker 3: that he was wearing a spotless white outfit, oh, because

895
00:42:06,640 --> 00:42:08,839
Speaker 3: they're like, look, this place is so hot and there

896
00:42:08,880 --> 00:42:11,120
Speaker 3: are so many people. You know how hard it is

897
00:42:11,160 --> 00:42:14,520
Speaker 3: to have a spotless white outfit, just maintained, no sweat,

898
00:42:14,560 --> 00:42:18,080
Speaker 3: no stains, nobody's bumped into you, no smudges. And he's like, clearly,

899
00:42:18,120 --> 00:42:20,880
Speaker 3: this is a very wealthy person, look at this white outfit.

900
00:42:20,960 --> 00:42:22,719
Speaker 2: And he backs it up because the next day he

901
00:42:22,760 --> 00:42:25,239
Speaker 2: comes back in a chauf for driven car. Yeah, and

902
00:42:25,280 --> 00:42:28,919
Speaker 2: he tells the store owner, Sharma, you know what, pack

903
00:42:29,000 --> 00:42:32,960
Speaker 2: up ninety three watches for me. You're thinking like, this

904
00:42:33,040 --> 00:42:35,120
Speaker 2: is a big payday. I'm not going to be like,

905
00:42:35,160 --> 00:42:37,040
Speaker 2: I don't know about that. So he and then one

906
00:42:37,080 --> 00:42:40,680
Speaker 2: of Sharma's employees they go to a nearby bank and

907
00:42:40,719 --> 00:42:43,320
Speaker 2: then this is where you know he's still in character.

908
00:42:44,200 --> 00:42:45,560
Speaker 2: I'm going to have to get a bank draft to

909
00:42:45,560 --> 00:42:48,200
Speaker 2: pay for the watches. The watch employee does he go

910
00:42:48,280 --> 00:42:48,880
Speaker 2: into the bank with.

911
00:42:48,960 --> 00:42:51,359
Speaker 3: Him, I'm gonna say you no. No.

912
00:42:51,760 --> 00:42:54,960
Speaker 2: He stands outside, and I'm wondering too if it's like

913
00:42:55,120 --> 00:42:58,759
Speaker 2: I'm not I'm not very familiar with like cast system things,

914
00:42:58,800 --> 00:42:59,200
Speaker 2: but is it.

915
00:42:59,239 --> 00:43:01,040
Speaker 3: Maybe that was I didn't want to say it, but

916
00:43:01,080 --> 00:43:03,440
Speaker 3: that is this. Sometimes they're just kind of not allowed.

917
00:43:03,440 --> 00:43:05,000
Speaker 2: They're not allowed in the bank. Yeah, so I could

918
00:43:05,040 --> 00:43:08,880
Speaker 2: I could see that happening. So the guys outside natwiral

919
00:43:09,000 --> 00:43:11,560
Speaker 2: comes out with appears to be you know, it appears

920
00:43:11,600 --> 00:43:13,800
Speaker 2: to be a draft for more than thirty two thousand

921
00:43:13,880 --> 00:43:17,359
Speaker 2: rupees and then again so off he goes with all

922
00:43:17,360 --> 00:43:20,680
Speaker 2: these watches. Sharma tries to deposit it, finds out its

923
00:43:20,719 --> 00:43:24,640
Speaker 2: forge in another He goes to another city, Varanasi, and

924
00:43:24,680 --> 00:43:28,279
Speaker 2: he calls himself Unbika Ponde and he said he was

925
00:43:28,280 --> 00:43:32,800
Speaker 2: the says he's the purchase officer for a district judge.

926
00:43:33,840 --> 00:43:36,400
Speaker 2: And you know what, the judge wants to buy his

927
00:43:36,480 --> 00:43:37,640
Speaker 2: staff watches.

928
00:43:37,280 --> 00:43:37,879
Speaker 3: A lot of them.

929
00:43:38,000 --> 00:43:39,920
Speaker 2: They loves to watch much watch as I.

930
00:43:39,840 --> 00:43:42,200
Speaker 3: Love bureaucracy and watches is his new move.

931
00:43:42,719 --> 00:43:45,120
Speaker 2: He's like, he probably sees it and he's like these jackets.

932
00:43:45,200 --> 00:43:46,120
Speaker 3: No one questions this.

933
00:43:46,280 --> 00:43:48,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, So he gives the store owner fake bank draft

934
00:43:48,800 --> 00:43:51,920
Speaker 2: twenty five thousand rupees. This time gets eighty watches in return.

935
00:43:52,000 --> 00:43:53,120
Speaker 2: So I don't think these are his price.

936
00:43:53,360 --> 00:43:56,000
Speaker 3: And that was in the watch business. He watching and

937
00:43:56,080 --> 00:43:57,720
Speaker 3: he goes out and opens his jacket.

938
00:43:57,800 --> 00:43:59,200
Speaker 2: That's all watches inside.

939
00:44:00,000 --> 00:44:02,240
Speaker 3: I ever see those guys anymore. I know, you actually

940
00:44:02,280 --> 00:44:04,359
Speaker 3: see them in cities. I remember seeing people in cities

941
00:44:04,360 --> 00:44:05,040
Speaker 3: who had had like.

942
00:44:05,000 --> 00:44:08,200
Speaker 2: The little tables, yes, with all the fake Rolex watches.

943
00:44:08,320 --> 00:44:08,800
Speaker 3: Exactly.

944
00:44:08,880 --> 00:44:11,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, my brother was my brother, someone in my family

945
00:44:11,320 --> 00:44:13,400
Speaker 2: bought a fake Rolex in Washington, d c. Off a

946
00:44:13,480 --> 00:44:14,759
Speaker 2: table in the New.

947
00:44:14,800 --> 00:44:19,560
Speaker 3: York was classes Detroit, La San Francisco. I mean it

948
00:44:19,640 --> 00:44:21,840
Speaker 3: was amazing, exactly. I missed those days.

949
00:44:21,920 --> 00:44:26,399
Speaker 2: Oh good eighty seven. He finally he gets caught at

950
00:44:26,400 --> 00:44:29,719
Speaker 2: a fifth shop, okay, and he'd introduced himself as an

951
00:44:29,719 --> 00:44:32,680
Speaker 2: officer of the state legislature, and he was there to

952
00:44:32,719 --> 00:44:34,240
Speaker 2: buy fifty.

953
00:44:33,880 --> 00:44:38,640
Speaker 3: Five Windings watches, watches.

954
00:44:38,920 --> 00:44:41,239
Speaker 2: And these are only worth twenty eight thousand rupees. But

955
00:44:41,320 --> 00:44:45,400
Speaker 2: there again gifts for employees. But then he goes to

956
00:44:45,560 --> 00:44:47,600
Speaker 2: like hand the bank draft over to the owner. And

957
00:44:47,680 --> 00:44:50,160
Speaker 2: I don't know what had happened with his accomplices, if

958
00:44:50,160 --> 00:44:52,239
Speaker 2: maybe they'd fallen off or he thought he didn't need

959
00:44:52,280 --> 00:44:55,480
Speaker 2: them anymore. He hands the bank drafts to the owner

960
00:44:55,480 --> 00:44:58,440
Speaker 2: of the shop, and they looked so fake that the

961
00:44:58,480 --> 00:45:01,920
Speaker 2: store owner got suspicious and then went back and quietly called.

962
00:45:01,719 --> 00:45:05,440
Speaker 3: The cops and you can't lose your your paperman. You

963
00:45:05,480 --> 00:45:06,880
Speaker 3: got a good forger, you got it.

964
00:45:07,000 --> 00:45:09,120
Speaker 2: He knew it was bad. This is Natwaro later said,

965
00:45:09,200 --> 00:45:11,960
Speaker 2: quote the printing was so bad, I myself was wondering

966
00:45:11,960 --> 00:45:13,760
Speaker 2: whether anyone would accept it.

967
00:45:15,160 --> 00:45:17,839
Speaker 3: You you know better than that.

968
00:45:18,400 --> 00:45:20,480
Speaker 2: He gets win that, like, oh my god. I think

969
00:45:20,480 --> 00:45:22,880
Speaker 2: he called the cops because he hands his terrible paper

970
00:45:23,520 --> 00:45:24,840
Speaker 2: and the guy's like, oh yeah, let me go in

971
00:45:24,840 --> 00:45:26,960
Speaker 2: the back. So he runs outside. He jumps in a

972
00:45:27,040 --> 00:45:28,600
Speaker 2: rickshaw and.

973
00:45:28,520 --> 00:45:30,440
Speaker 3: Then like can you imagine that getting away at a

974
00:45:30,480 --> 00:45:33,200
Speaker 3: rich He didn't faster faster the cops caught up.

975
00:45:33,200 --> 00:45:39,680
Speaker 2: They're like walking into what he He didn't have it over.

976
00:45:40,840 --> 00:45:43,280
Speaker 2: He didn't have any money on him, and police didn't

977
00:45:43,280 --> 00:45:45,480
Speaker 2: know where he kept all the money that he'd stolen

978
00:45:45,520 --> 00:45:48,759
Speaker 2: over the years. He told police that he was like

979
00:45:48,840 --> 00:45:52,040
Speaker 2: basically Robin Hood. He said he stole only from quote

980
00:45:52,160 --> 00:45:54,919
Speaker 2: rich capitalists, and he gave the money to the poor.

981
00:45:55,480 --> 00:45:56,160
Speaker 3: Was he the poor?

982
00:45:56,840 --> 00:46:00,000
Speaker 2: Probably he went and broke his dad off one hundred

983
00:46:00,080 --> 00:46:00,439
Speaker 2: he did.

984
00:46:00,480 --> 00:46:02,920
Speaker 3: I was kind of I believe him.

985
00:46:03,000 --> 00:46:05,360
Speaker 2: I believe I prefer to spreading it around.

986
00:46:05,360 --> 00:46:06,920
Speaker 3: Okay, that's cool, And you.

987
00:46:06,880 --> 00:46:08,960
Speaker 2: Know he would get these accomplices or like you know

988
00:46:09,239 --> 00:46:11,279
Speaker 2: you got you got talent, you just don't see it.

989
00:46:11,320 --> 00:46:14,200
Speaker 2: You could draw up fake bank drafts. I believe in you.

990
00:46:14,360 --> 00:46:18,440
Speaker 3: Yes, just trot, just.

991
00:46:18,440 --> 00:46:23,000
Speaker 2: Raising the community up. Police doubted the whole robinhood thing,

992
00:46:23,640 --> 00:46:26,080
Speaker 2: but like I said, he would sometimes he'd go back

993
00:46:26,120 --> 00:46:28,840
Speaker 2: to his home village, not just the one time, and

994
00:46:28,920 --> 00:46:31,200
Speaker 2: the town when they knew that he was coming, they

995
00:46:31,200 --> 00:46:33,680
Speaker 2: would prepare like this big meal for him. I'm guessing

996
00:46:33,680 --> 00:46:36,160
Speaker 2: that he was he would hand out rupees to like

997
00:46:36,239 --> 00:46:37,360
Speaker 2: the needy in town.

998
00:46:37,760 --> 00:46:39,719
Speaker 3: Let's go pro robinhood on. Let's say it.

999
00:46:39,760 --> 00:46:42,600
Speaker 2: I like that story better. When he was arrested in

1000
00:46:42,640 --> 00:46:45,720
Speaker 2: November of nineteen eighty seven, he had over one hundred

1001
00:46:45,800 --> 00:46:48,880
Speaker 2: open cases against him in eight different Indian states.

1002
00:46:48,960 --> 00:46:52,480
Speaker 3: Nice in his golden years. He's like, look at that way.

1003
00:46:52,719 --> 00:46:55,080
Speaker 2: Well, and by that point he had been sentenced at

1004
00:46:55,160 --> 00:46:58,200
Speaker 2: various times to a total of one hundred and thirteen years,

1005
00:46:58,560 --> 00:47:01,399
Speaker 2: and like collectively he don't only served about twenty of those,

1006
00:47:01,440 --> 00:47:04,000
Speaker 2: so like he'd been inside, yeah, but like one hundred

1007
00:47:04,000 --> 00:47:07,360
Speaker 2: and thirteen. So they arrest him. He says that he's married,

1008
00:47:07,400 --> 00:47:09,279
Speaker 2: he had been married, and he has a son, but

1009
00:47:09,320 --> 00:47:13,279
Speaker 2: that they both died. However, it's also said that his

1010
00:47:13,360 --> 00:47:16,239
Speaker 2: wife was still alive and living in Bihar, and that

1011
00:47:16,360 --> 00:47:18,840
Speaker 2: his only child was a daughter, and that she married

1012
00:47:18,840 --> 00:47:20,920
Speaker 2: and lived outside of India. So like, no one can

1013
00:47:21,000 --> 00:47:22,600
Speaker 2: ever get a straight story out of him.

1014
00:47:22,719 --> 00:47:24,480
Speaker 3: I wouldn't believe it. I mean, whatever he says, I

1015
00:47:24,480 --> 00:47:26,480
Speaker 3: wouldn't believe it. Someone else have to come in and

1016
00:47:26,520 --> 00:47:28,839
Speaker 3: be like, okay, take take and test my DMA.

1017
00:47:28,920 --> 00:47:32,080
Speaker 2: Well, then you wonder what about the original Natwirlo.

1018
00:47:31,760 --> 00:47:33,000
Speaker 3: If it even is the same person.

1019
00:47:33,120 --> 00:47:35,799
Speaker 2: Maybe he's the one who's married and has a daughter,

1020
00:47:35,800 --> 00:47:36,080
Speaker 2: you know who.

1021
00:47:36,200 --> 00:47:39,160
Speaker 3: Maybe this is a dread pirate Robert situation where he's

1022
00:47:39,200 --> 00:47:42,040
Speaker 3: just passed on the name to his most accomplished acolyte.

1023
00:47:42,080 --> 00:47:44,239
Speaker 2: That could be. You know what it's like, Menudo, They

1024
00:47:44,320 --> 00:47:48,600
Speaker 2: rotate them in and out. June twenty fourth, nineteen ninety six.

1025
00:47:48,680 --> 00:47:49,759
Speaker 2: He's eighty four years old.

1026
00:47:49,840 --> 00:47:51,400
Speaker 3: Okay, you know I love the ages. Yeah.

1027
00:47:51,640 --> 00:47:55,560
Speaker 2: He disappeared from the New Delhi Railway station. He'd been

1028
00:47:55,600 --> 00:47:58,279
Speaker 2: taken to Delhi from where he'd been in custody for

1029
00:47:58,320 --> 00:47:59,200
Speaker 2: a medical checkup.

1030
00:47:59,239 --> 00:48:00,839
Speaker 3: Okay, my kidneys again.

1031
00:48:01,360 --> 00:48:03,319
Speaker 2: And at the station, the cops went to drop off

1032
00:48:03,400 --> 00:48:05,920
Speaker 2: his wheelchair and he was left with a quote jail

1033
00:48:05,960 --> 00:48:10,440
Speaker 2: sweeper to guard him. It's like a soccer sweeper, like

1034
00:48:10,760 --> 00:48:15,279
Speaker 2: just any position you need special Yeah, and so he

1035
00:48:15,320 --> 00:48:17,840
Speaker 2: asked the man for some tea, and like you know,

1036
00:48:17,880 --> 00:48:21,839
Speaker 2: they're going to respect the elderly, this jail sweeper leaves

1037
00:48:21,840 --> 00:48:25,400
Speaker 2: to go get some. Natwir Wall suddenly, now able to

1038
00:48:25,440 --> 00:48:28,600
Speaker 2: walk really easily, just gets up and runs off. So

1039
00:48:28,600 --> 00:48:30,799
Speaker 2: he's like in a wheelchair. Element kidneys and then off

1040
00:48:30,840 --> 00:48:34,239
Speaker 2: he goes. That is the last reported public sighting of him.

1041
00:48:34,480 --> 00:48:37,040
Speaker 3: Oh wow. He he actually disappears into the crowd like

1042
00:48:37,200 --> 00:48:37,960
Speaker 3: pro long kuiser.

1043
00:48:38,239 --> 00:48:42,440
Speaker 2: They saw completely completely. In total, he escaped from custody

1044
00:48:42,480 --> 00:48:43,840
Speaker 2: at least ten different times.

1045
00:48:44,480 --> 00:48:45,520
Speaker 3: This kind's incredible.

1046
00:48:45,960 --> 00:48:48,880
Speaker 2: His legend continued even in death. So in July of

1047
00:48:48,880 --> 00:48:51,120
Speaker 2: two thousand and nine, his lawyer said he died in

1048
00:48:51,160 --> 00:48:53,880
Speaker 2: that month of the age of ninety seven, and he

1049
00:48:53,920 --> 00:48:56,600
Speaker 2: petitioned the court to dismiss the one hundred cases still

1050
00:48:56,640 --> 00:49:01,120
Speaker 2: pending against his client but his brother because he's dead.

1051
00:49:01,440 --> 00:49:05,000
Speaker 2: Nataral's brother said that Natir Whal had actually died sometime

1052
00:49:05,040 --> 00:49:08,000
Speaker 2: in nineteen ninety six, and he couldn't remember the exact day,

1053
00:49:08,000 --> 00:49:09,880
Speaker 2: but he had personally cremated the body.

1054
00:49:10,719 --> 00:49:13,280
Speaker 3: But then you wonder I personally cremated, like not.

1055
00:49:13,160 --> 00:49:15,480
Speaker 2: Professionally like you know as you do.

1056
00:49:15,719 --> 00:49:17,759
Speaker 3: Ah, okay, he brought he did the actual.

1057
00:49:17,480 --> 00:49:21,120
Speaker 2: Region, the ritual. But here's the thing, like which natoir Wal?

1058
00:49:21,360 --> 00:49:22,919
Speaker 3: Yes, which one are we talking about? First?

1059
00:49:22,920 --> 00:49:25,440
Speaker 2: I don't believe anybody, And like how long had it

1060
00:49:25,520 --> 00:49:28,160
Speaker 2: been since his brother saw him? And was that the

1061
00:49:28,239 --> 00:49:34,280
Speaker 2: favorite brother back? You know, there's so many questions. In India,

1062
00:49:34,320 --> 00:49:37,680
Speaker 2: the name Natwaral is apparently still used common.

1063
00:49:38,040 --> 00:49:39,000
Speaker 3: It's like, no, they.

1064
00:49:38,840 --> 00:49:41,520
Speaker 2: People use it as a pejorative against public officials.

1065
00:49:41,760 --> 00:49:42,919
Speaker 3: Oh oh yeah.

1066
00:49:42,920 --> 00:49:45,560
Speaker 2: So there's this book The Most Notorious jail Breakers Untold

1067
00:49:45,600 --> 00:49:49,719
Speaker 2: Stories of Escape Convicts by a Beer Kapor quote. If

1068
00:49:49,760 --> 00:49:53,560
Speaker 2: you are a manipulative personality in public life, in all likelihood,

1069
00:49:53,760 --> 00:49:55,080
Speaker 2: you'll be called Natarilal.

1070
00:49:55,680 --> 00:49:55,839
Speaker 3: Hum.

1071
00:49:56,000 --> 00:49:59,640
Speaker 2: Yeah. In twenty twenty one, it was reported that in

1072
00:49:59,680 --> 00:50:03,200
Speaker 2: a fe bill referred to another official as the Natwilal

1073
00:50:03,320 --> 00:50:05,760
Speaker 2: of Indian politics and call them a liar and cheater?

1074
00:50:06,120 --> 00:50:07,520
Speaker 3: Was it mody the Prime Minister?

1075
00:50:07,560 --> 00:50:10,480
Speaker 2: I don't know. Aspiring criminals use the name as well.

1076
00:50:11,040 --> 00:50:14,120
Speaker 2: In twenty eleven, a twenty one year old was arrested

1077
00:50:14,120 --> 00:50:16,680
Speaker 2: for stealing almost two million rupees from a business bank

1078
00:50:16,680 --> 00:50:19,839
Speaker 2: account by pretending to be its director. He said he'd

1079
00:50:19,840 --> 00:50:23,319
Speaker 2: been inspired by the nineteen seventy nine Mister natoir Wal

1080
00:50:23,400 --> 00:50:26,000
Speaker 2: movie since he was a kid, and that he would

1081
00:50:26,040 --> 00:50:30,080
Speaker 2: sometimes use Natwarilal as one of his aliases. So what's

1082
00:50:30,120 --> 00:50:31,239
Speaker 2: this about the movie right now?

1083
00:50:31,239 --> 00:50:31,799
Speaker 3: What's dying?

1084
00:50:32,719 --> 00:50:36,840
Speaker 2: In nineteen seventy nine, a movie called Mister Natwarlal title

1085
00:50:37,200 --> 00:50:41,759
Speaker 2: loosely based on his life. Well, the title character everything. Yeah,

1086
00:50:41,800 --> 00:50:45,560
Speaker 2: the title character was played by the movie superstar amitab Bakchun.

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Speaker 2: This is according to Wikipedia. He's quote widely recognized as

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Speaker 2: one of the greatest actors of all time. He is

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Speaker 2: considered to be amongst the most accomplished and influential actors

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Speaker 2: in the history of Indian cinema. Now that's Wikipedia, which

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Speaker 2: means that either he or his agent wrote it. And

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Speaker 2: I love that for him.

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00:51:02,560 --> 00:51:04,319
Speaker 3: I would love if that, you know, if it was

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00:51:04,360 --> 00:51:06,800
Speaker 3: actually true and that he was. I have no idea

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00:51:07,360 --> 00:51:08,480
Speaker 3: a really complish.

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00:51:08,640 --> 00:51:10,759
Speaker 2: I think he is. His family thinks he is would

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Speaker 2: be great.

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Speaker 3: I like the Lawrence Olivier of India poor or trade this.

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00:51:14,080 --> 00:51:17,759
Speaker 2: Category amazing, I'm saying, yeah, so the brando, but the

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00:51:17,840 --> 00:51:20,280
Speaker 2: real Toilal not a fan of the film.

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00:51:20,400 --> 00:51:22,439
Speaker 3: Oh, he's like, I didn't like the cast.

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Speaker 2: He said it quote distorted his life.

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00:51:24,600 --> 00:51:26,920
Speaker 3: Well, they said loosely bass and I was upset with that.

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Speaker 2: He filed a defamation suit against the movie, but he

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00:51:30,480 --> 00:51:33,120
Speaker 2: withdrew it when he managed to convince the star to

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00:51:33,120 --> 00:51:35,200
Speaker 2: pay him three hundred thousand rupees instead.

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00:51:35,840 --> 00:51:37,960
Speaker 3: Wait, he shook down the show down.

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00:51:37,840 --> 00:51:40,799
Speaker 2: The movie star. Yeah, he's like, I hate it.

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Speaker 3: Give me three three I'll say I love it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'll leave you alone. In twenty sixteen, a seventy

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00:51:47,480 --> 00:51:50,279
Speaker 2: seven year old former lawyer was arrested for over one

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00:51:50,360 --> 00:51:53,240
Speaker 2: hundred and twenty five crimes and he had this history

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00:51:53,239 --> 00:51:57,520
Speaker 2: of forgery. He was nicknamed super Natoilal. There's also a

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00:51:57,520 --> 00:52:00,239
Speaker 2: more recent adaptation of the movie from twenty to Her

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00:52:00,280 --> 00:52:04,000
Speaker 2: twenty twenty four called Mister Natwirla. There's this like crazy

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00:52:04,120 --> 00:52:08,120
Speaker 2: music video from the film that researcher Marissa found, Like

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00:52:08,160 --> 00:52:08,680
Speaker 2: the main.

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Speaker 3: Character Bollywood style. Is it like a musical?

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Speaker 2: I don't know about the movie. We couldn't I couldn't

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Speaker 2: find a clip from the movie. We found this music video, okay,

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Speaker 2: and the main character is this man and the woman.

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00:52:17,719 --> 00:52:20,319
Speaker 2: They have this really hilarious workout scene. It's like a

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00:52:20,640 --> 00:52:23,719
Speaker 2: like a ballad song sure, where she's basically just like

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00:52:23,880 --> 00:52:27,520
Speaker 2: laying on him as he uses various workout machines. So

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00:52:27,560 --> 00:52:31,120
Speaker 2: like he's on an elliptical and she's she's like holding

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00:52:31,200 --> 00:52:34,360
Speaker 2: onto him like a like a baby koala, or like

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00:52:34,400 --> 00:52:36,439
Speaker 2: he's doing push ups and she's laying on his back.

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00:52:36,480 --> 00:52:40,760
Speaker 2: It's really weird the whole you know. So and Marissa

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00:52:40,880 --> 00:52:42,600
Speaker 2: was like, is that how people work out? Like, I

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00:52:42,640 --> 00:52:45,880
Speaker 2: don't know. I don't go to the either. We're like, okay,

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00:52:46,040 --> 00:52:47,000
Speaker 2: I guess that's what happens.

1132
00:52:47,000 --> 00:52:48,359
Speaker 3: Now happens.

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00:52:50,040 --> 00:52:52,120
Speaker 2: So, Saren, what's your ridiculous takeaway?

1134
00:52:52,440 --> 00:52:57,400
Speaker 3: Oh man, my ridiculous takeaway is I know this sounds

1135
00:52:57,480 --> 00:52:59,359
Speaker 3: dumb that I should fixate on this, but you talked

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00:52:59,360 --> 00:53:01,799
Speaker 3: about the dad working in the trains. I've always wanted

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00:53:01,840 --> 00:53:03,480
Speaker 3: to go to India and right on top of a

1138
00:53:03,520 --> 00:53:05,920
Speaker 3: train with a bunch of people, you could do that.

1139
00:53:06,040 --> 00:53:08,520
Speaker 3: I know it's easy, I know it's an accomplishable goal,

1140
00:53:08,640 --> 00:53:10,960
Speaker 3: but like it's ridiculous that I want to do that.

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00:53:11,000 --> 00:53:12,560
Speaker 3: And that's the one thing you're telling me all this

1142
00:53:12,560 --> 00:53:14,840
Speaker 3: stuff and I'm like, man, I gotta I gotta go

1143
00:53:14,920 --> 00:53:17,440
Speaker 3: do that. I gotta go to India and ride on

1144
00:53:17,480 --> 00:53:20,239
Speaker 3: the top of a train for like Miles and Miles.

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00:53:20,120 --> 00:53:22,080
Speaker 2: Let's make it happen and we can like we can

1146
00:53:22,120 --> 00:53:23,400
Speaker 2: record an episode from.

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00:53:23,280 --> 00:53:25,880
Speaker 3: The live from the top of a train. Well, you

1148
00:53:25,920 --> 00:53:27,799
Speaker 3: can record it and I'll just yeah, you can be

1149
00:53:28,239 --> 00:53:31,120
Speaker 3: reasonably seated inside exactly that way. The mic doesn't have

1150
00:53:31,160 --> 00:53:35,240
Speaker 3: all the feedback from that of the wind. What's your Elizabeth? Uh?

1151
00:53:35,320 --> 00:53:39,800
Speaker 2: You know what? This guy didn't seem to hurt anyone

1152
00:53:40,040 --> 00:53:43,759
Speaker 2: and didn't seem to like scam anyone who couldn't take it,

1153
00:53:43,840 --> 00:53:45,480
Speaker 2: So A plus plus.

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00:53:45,600 --> 00:53:47,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, always good. That's good in our both books.

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00:53:48,680 --> 00:53:49,359
Speaker 2: You know what I need?

1156
00:53:49,400 --> 00:53:51,479
Speaker 3: Though, what do you need to talk back? I can't

1157
00:53:51,520 --> 00:53:53,400
Speaker 3: do that for you. Producer Dave, can you help this

1158
00:53:53,480 --> 00:53:53,919
Speaker 3: lady out?

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00:53:56,120 --> 00:54:03,279
Speaker 2: Oh? I let you?

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Speaker 4: Hey, Elizabeth, Hey, Aaron, I just want to sorry. I

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00:54:12,520 --> 00:54:15,520
Speaker 4: just want to let y'all know that when I was

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00:54:15,600 --> 00:54:23,040
Speaker 4: listening to the LifeLock con episode, I was listening to

1163
00:54:23,040 --> 00:54:25,160
Speaker 4: an amazing ad break and I heard an ad for

1164
00:54:25,600 --> 00:54:29,200
Speaker 4: guess what LifeLock by Norton, and I thought it was ridiculous.

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00:54:29,600 --> 00:54:30,919
Speaker 4: By all love this show.

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00:54:32,239 --> 00:54:33,600
Speaker 3: I think LifeLock loves us.

1167
00:54:33,760 --> 00:54:35,719
Speaker 2: I mean I hear that all the time.

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00:54:36,080 --> 00:54:37,680
Speaker 3: That was like an extended ad for us.

1169
00:54:37,800 --> 00:54:40,759
Speaker 2: I don't know that algorithm plugs the ad in during

1170
00:54:41,200 --> 00:54:46,080
Speaker 2: I just please don't tell LifeLock. I think it is

1171
00:54:46,120 --> 00:54:50,040
Speaker 2: so funny and ridiculous and I love it. I have it. Uh,

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Speaker 2: that's it for today. You can find us online at

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00:54:52,840 --> 00:54:55,879
Speaker 2: ridiculous Crime dot com. We're also on social media at

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00:54:55,960 --> 00:55:00,560
Speaker 2: Ridiculous Crime. Email Ridiculous Crime at gmail dot com and

1175
00:55:00,920 --> 00:55:03,920
Speaker 2: leave us a talk back please on the iHeart app

1176
00:55:04,320 --> 00:55:13,160
Speaker 2: reach out. Ridiculous Crime is hosted by Elizabeth Dutton and

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00:55:13,280 --> 00:55:17,240
Speaker 2: Zaren Burnett, produced and edited by Cotton Kingpin Dave Kusten,

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00:55:17,640 --> 00:55:22,120
Speaker 2: starring Emilie Rutger as Judith. Research is by Indian railroad

1179
00:55:22,120 --> 00:55:25,600
Speaker 2: barons mursa Brown and Andrea song Sharpened Tear. The theme

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00:55:25,640 --> 00:55:28,960
Speaker 2: song is by bribed prison guards Thomas Lee and Travis Dutton.

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00:55:29,320 --> 00:55:33,080
Speaker 2: Post wardrobe is provided by Botany five hundred. Guest hair

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00:55:33,120 --> 00:55:37,799
Speaker 2: and makeup by Sparkleshot and mister Under. Executive producers are

1183
00:55:37,920 --> 00:55:40,959
Speaker 2: famous Indian outlaws Ben Bowen and Nolbur.

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00:55:46,200 --> 00:55:51,640
Speaker 3: Dis QUI say it one more time crime.

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