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Speaker 2: Happy Thursday. We have an amazing show for everybody today.
Speaker 2: What do we have, Crystal deed we do?
Speaker 1: It is do or Die day for Biden as good
Speaker 1: is Big Boy press conference this evening, which, by the way,
Speaker 1: we're going to be giving you reaction to so make
Speaker 1: sure to stay tuned. After the press conference, we will
Speaker 1: be bringing you whatever the hell happens. So that's going on. Meanwhile,
Speaker 1: we wanted to bring you up to speed with everything
Speaker 1: that's been happening here in Washington. Yesterday, Pelosi basically knife
Speaker 1: to Biden on his favorite morning program, that would be
Speaker 1: Morning Joe Obama. Maybe behind the scenes moving against Biden.
Speaker 1: We're reading the tea leaves on that big buzzy George
Speaker 1: Clooney op ed calling for Biden to drop out and
Speaker 1: providing some new insights into Biden's decline. Pole's continuing to
Speaker 1: look very dire. Apparently New York now a battleground state.
Speaker 1: Great job, guys, way to go, so sounding the alarms there.
Speaker 1: Also looking at the fact that there's going to be
Speaker 1: a huge impact down ballot if Biden remains at the
Speaker 1: top of the ticket and voters Democratic Party voters very
Speaker 1: much want him to move on.
Speaker 3: So we'll look at all of that.
Speaker 1: Meanwhile, Kareem Jeanpierre caught once again in another lie, and
Speaker 1: this one again specifically with regards to Biden's health. As
Speaker 1: Parkinson's concerns mount and Trump is getting closer to his
Speaker 1: VP pick, he made some comments to Brian Kilmean yesterday.
Speaker 1: So we're taking a look at that, giving our best,
Speaker 1: you know, again reading the tea leaves of whatever we
Speaker 1: can discern there. Although his calculus may be changing moment
Speaker 1: by moment too, as this landscape.
Speaker 2: Shift, we'll get into that. I think it's a very
Speaker 2: important and part of the reason why I think he's
Speaker 2: been waiting so long. This event really did change things.
Speaker 2: I believe, as Christol said, we are going to be
Speaker 2: doing coverage of the Biden quote unquote big boy press conference.
Speaker 2: It is scheduled to start at five thirty pm Eastern.
Speaker 2: Biden has never showed up to anything on his life,
Speaker 2: even whenever he was coajins in with it, so just
Speaker 2: bear with us.
Speaker 1: We will see close to his bedtime, though I don't
Speaker 1: know it's downside of the ten to four zones.
Speaker 2: Well, sell, Crystal, you know, if he shows up at
Speaker 2: like seven, I'll be happy because knowing him, you just
Speaker 2: never know. I mean, you know, the White House Press
Speaker 2: Court has been telling me they're almost starting one and
Speaker 2: a half two hours late just because Karine Jean Pierre
Speaker 2: allegedly tied up in meetings aka just sitting in a
Speaker 2: briefing room going through all of the answers and coaching
Speaker 2: and things like that. So we'll see maybe they can
Speaker 2: shoot him up with something and time the dosage right
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Speaker 2: et cetera. Now, as Crystal said, yesterday was actually a
Speaker 2: landmark day and today as well. Here in Washington, where
Speaker 2: multiple Democratic leaders, elites, and others are now signaling that
Speaker 2: they are trying to open a space where Joe Biden
Speaker 2: could drop out. Nancy Pelosi, in particular, made headlines all
Speaker 2: across America yesterday in this interview with Morning Joe, where
Speaker 2: she appeared to say that Biden needs to quote make
Speaker 2: his decision even though he's already allegedly made a decision,
Speaker 2: and also laying out a potential timeline of kicking him
Speaker 2: out of the race. Let's take a lesson happened so matters?
Speaker 4: Speaker, You just went through the president's record, But let
Speaker 4: me ask you about the current moment. Does he have
Speaker 4: your support to be the head of the Democratic sicut as.
Speaker 5: Long as the president had the president it's up to
Speaker 5: the president to suicide if he is going to run.
Speaker 5: We're all encouraging him to make that decision because time
Speaker 5: is running short. The UH I think overwhelming support of
Speaker 5: the caucus. It's not for me to say I'm not
Speaker 5: the head of the caucus anymore. But he's beloved, he
Speaker 5: is respected, and people want him to make that decision.
Speaker 4: Yes, he has said he is made the decision. He
Speaker 4: has said firmly this week he is going to run.
Speaker 4: Do you want him to run?
Speaker 5: I want him to do whatever he decides to do.
Speaker 5: And that's the way it is. Whatever he decides, we
Speaker 5: go with. I think it's really important and I would
Speaker 5: hope everyone would join in. She let him deal with
Speaker 5: this NATO conference. This is a very big deal. Thirty
Speaker 5: heads of over, thirty heads of state are here. He
Speaker 5: is the host of it, and that means not just hosting.
Speaker 5: It means orchestrating the discussion and setting the agenda. And
Speaker 5: he's doing so magnificently. And I've said everyone, let's just
Speaker 5: hold off whatever you're thinking. Either tell somebody privately, but
Speaker 5: you don't have to put that in on the table.
Speaker 2: So Crystal, there's a lot that we can say about
Speaker 2: that number one. As many have pointed out, they keep
Speaker 2: saying he needs to make his decision. He said he's
Speaker 2: making decision. He's saying you the letter, he said, I
Speaker 2: made my decision. I'm running. There's no more discussion but
Speaker 2: that NATO comment. So, just for you've been talking about
Speaker 2: this all week. Traffic is hell here in Washington. There
Speaker 2: is a NATO summit. All of the NATO leaders are
Speaker 2: here in town. So she says very clearly, look, let's
Speaker 2: get past the whole NATO thing and then we can
Speaker 2: make our decision. And he's liked but he's allegedly made
Speaker 2: his decision, right, So what are you saying. It's like, well,
Speaker 2: it would not be a bad time to drop out.
Speaker 2: I don't know. I have trouble dealing with this because
Speaker 2: she immediately walked it back. She said as far as
Speaker 2: Biden should run again, she said Biden could still win
Speaker 2: the election. You know, in general, there's so much behind
Speaker 2: the scenes. You were reading the tea leaves. It's almost
Speaker 2: like criminology, where we try and read what Kremlin officials
Speaker 2: would not say as a way of saying like, oh,
Speaker 2: that's what they're secretly saying. So what did you make
Speaker 2: of this?
Speaker 1: This woman, whatever you think of her, she understands the
Speaker 1: DC game. Yeah, she's very strategic and she was very specific.
Speaker 3: With her wording there.
Speaker 1: Sure, And you know, credit to Ryan who immediately when
Speaker 1: he heard those comments, he's like, it sounds like she's saying,
Speaker 1: wait until the thirty foreign leaders are out of town
Speaker 1: and then we put the knife.
Speaker 3: In, right, That's what it sounds like.
Speaker 1: And it doesn't just sound like that to me and
Speaker 1: Ryan and others who are you know, on the outside
Speaker 1: looking in. Apparently that is the uh, that is the
Speaker 1: message that congretchual Democrats heard as well, that basically like listen,
Speaker 1: hould your fire. But once these people are out of town,
Speaker 1: then it could be open season. And so there is
Speaker 1: somewhat of an expectation already after those comments, after the
Speaker 1: I think the George clooneyop ed, which we're going to
Speaker 1: talk about was also very influential for whatever that means
Speaker 1: about the state of our country. But you already had
Speaker 1: more leaders coming out yesterday. So clearly the aggressive attempts
Speaker 1: early in the week to shut everybody up and say
Speaker 1: move it along, this is what's happening. Stop resisting. Clearly
Speaker 1: those attempts failed. And you know, the other thing that
Speaker 1: people point out is Pelosi's language there is very sort
Speaker 1: of like mob boss esque. It's like, yeah, he's made
Speaker 1: his decision. Well, he hasn't really made the right decision,
Speaker 1: so he's got to make the right decision. Here we're
Speaker 1: going to we're waiting for him to make decision when
Speaker 1: he's already tried to make it as clear as possible
Speaker 1: as this decision has been made.
Speaker 3: So very, very noteworthy.
Speaker 1: There's also some reporting now this morning from Politico which is, like,
Speaker 1: you know, the insider of insider publications, that she does
Speaker 1: want him to go, and that she has been saying
Speaker 1: that to other Democrats. And even though obviously she's not
Speaker 1: the head of the caucus technically anymore, no one should
Speaker 1: be fooled about the fact that this is probably the
Speaker 1: most powerful Democrat in the city still outside of the
Speaker 1: President of the United States, perhaps even more powerful than
Speaker 1: the President of the United States in a sense, because
Speaker 1: her claim to power has always been her relationship with donors,
Speaker 1: and no one controls the purse strings the way that
Speaker 1: Nancy Pelosi does. That's why she has been so influential
Speaker 1: for over a decade now in this caucus. And part
Speaker 1: of the other reporting we have out also is that
Speaker 1: donations have all but dried up. The donor class wants
Speaker 1: him gone. I have a lot of questions, but Pelosi
Speaker 1: may be pulling some of those strings behind the scenes
Speaker 1: of say listen and do not give to him. We
Speaker 1: need to push him out. You can use your checkbook
Speaker 1: to help make that happen. So a lot that is
Speaker 1: really fascinating there, you know, prior to her comments, and
Speaker 1: prior to the clooneyop ed, I was starting to think,
Speaker 1: like this is that's he's done it, Like he sort
Speaker 1: of quashed the opposition, He's scared people into silence, he's
Speaker 1: running out the clock, like his strategy appears to be successful.
Speaker 1: Yesterday felt like a real turning point that made this
Speaker 1: once again a super super Live question where maybe now
Speaker 1: the odds are in the other direction.
Speaker 2: That's a good point. I would say, yesterday I was
Speaker 2: at ninety five percent. Today I'm like seventy five. So
Speaker 2: I still think he's going to say. I think he's
Speaker 2: an arrogant narcissist. Although the knives are beginning to come out,
Speaker 2: whether these people will have the courage to actually do
Speaker 2: what it takes to stab him. We will see now
Speaker 2: some of the tea leaves that we can read, not
Speaker 2: even tea leaves. I mean, this is out in the open.
Speaker 2: Let's put this up there for example on the screen.
Speaker 2: Here you got Congressman Richie Torres, who completely flipped on
Speaker 2: a dime and today has released the statement he says,
Speaker 2: regardless of where one stands on the question of Biden's
Speaker 2: political future. The intra part mixed messaging strikes me as.
Speaker 3: So this is the old statement.
Speaker 1: Yes, sorry, this was the original statement that was like,
Speaker 1: everybody to shut up, this is bad for us.
Speaker 2: That's right. So this was the original one. Who's like,
Speaker 2: this is bad, it's deeply self destructive. Now go to
Speaker 2: the next one, because the next one is where it's
Speaker 2: important that literally the day after, he says, in determining
Speaker 2: how to proceed, there must be a serious reckoning with
Speaker 2: a down ballid effect of whomever we nominate. What matters
Speaker 2: is not how we feel, but what the numbers tell us.
Speaker 2: An unsentimental analysis of the cold, hard numbers, which have
Speaker 2: no personal feelings or political loyalties, should inform what we
Speaker 2: decide and whom we nominate. If we're going to choose
Speaker 2: a particular path, we should be clear eyed about its consequences.
Speaker 2: Blindness is not bliss amid the terrifying threat of a
Speaker 2: Trump presidency. And you know, one of the things I
Speaker 2: was reading into this, and I'm sure you did as well,
Speaker 2: is what do we know about Richie Torres? You know,
Speaker 2: in particular context of this, it's real conflict. Well no,
Speaker 2: but he's a donor mouthpiece. Yes, So what's been happening
Speaker 2: is people are panicking behind the scenes and donors, the people,
Speaker 2: the elites, and he is getting significant upward pressure the
Speaker 2: same way that Pelosi is by some of these Hollywood
Speaker 2: financial and other elites in the Democratic Party. Reid Hoffman, right,
Speaker 2: You know, we don't really know where he stands, I believe.
Speaker 1: But we do know where Reid Hoffman stands because Dmitri Melhorne, who,
Speaker 1: by the way, counterpoints of the debates with Dimitri, and
Speaker 1: Dimitri's his donor advisor. In Dmitri has been the most
Speaker 1: aggressive Biden defender on the donor side, but he's kind
Speaker 1: of alone on an island in terms of the donor
Speaker 1: class sentence.
Speaker 2: So that's why I was confused, because I know Dimitri
Speaker 2: said it, I know Reid has put out like some
Speaker 2: tepid statement, but I also had understood that there was
Speaker 2: like infighting within the Democratic donor world, like around Reid Hoffman.
Speaker 2: So I don't know, and I do also think that
Speaker 2: these things are moving quickly. All we could say is
Speaker 2: when you see the donor mouth pieces like Richie and
Speaker 2: then begin to change things up, and then let's pair
Speaker 2: it here next, let's put this up there on the screen.
Speaker 2: Senator Chuck Schumer quote privately signaling to donors he would
Speaker 2: open to a Democratic presidential ticket that isn't led by
Speaker 2: Joe Biden. I think we see that the coup is
Speaker 2: coming from below in terms of the donor class and
Speaker 2: the electoral The elected politicians are stuck between a rock
Speaker 2: and a hard place where they need to publicly signal
Speaker 2: support for Biden. But they also they're not stupid. These
Speaker 2: are selfish narcissists. Because as Richie said, look at the polls,
Speaker 2: and we're going to do a whole segment today. It's craziness.
Speaker 2: Is this absolute savagery for the Democrats across the table.
Speaker 2: We are looking at a Trump three hundred and fifty,
Speaker 2: three hundred and eighty electoral vote possibility. Now that's a
Speaker 2: whole other ballgame from where we were even in a
Speaker 2: race where Trump was likely to win by let's say
Speaker 2: one or two points in the popular vote. Now it's
Speaker 2: like what we can be looking at Obama margins five
Speaker 2: to six percent.
Speaker 1: Well, the other thing that Chuck Schimer and Richie Torres
Speaker 1: have in common both from New York, and there are
Speaker 1: polls coming out of New York.
Speaker 3: We're going to cover them.
Speaker 1: In the polls segment of the of the show that
Speaker 1: have New York as a battleground state, that have swing
Speaker 1: districts in New York that Biden is getting absolutely destroyed
Speaker 1: in there. Things look bad in a state that should
Speaker 1: be deep blue, that there should be zero uncertainty about.
Speaker 1: In fact, you have the Lieutenant governor of New York
Speaker 1: also come out and say Joe Biden should get off
Speaker 1: the ticket. There's something else that's very significant about Richie Torres, though,
Speaker 1: which is that part of the Biden strategy has been
Speaker 1: to lock in the Congressional Black Caucus and try to
Speaker 1: racialize the case in favor of him staying, which is
Speaker 1: really bizarre because the person you're most immediately blocking is
Speaker 1: a black woman and Kamala Harris. But put that aside.
Speaker 1: They're trying to say, like, oh, and you see this
Speaker 1: online all the time too. Oh, it's all these white
Speaker 1: men like George Clooney who and Stephen King who want
Speaker 1: Joe Biden out of the race, and Michael Bennett and
Speaker 1: the likes. So the fact that you have Richie Torres,
Speaker 1: democratic coller member of the CBC coming out and saying
Speaker 1: these things, that's why he's more significant in a sense
Speaker 1: than the average baron also because he has made himself
Speaker 1: so prominent with all of his Israel madness.
Speaker 2: On good point.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So I do think you're right though about them
Speaker 1: speaking for the donors. I think that there's a lot
Speaker 1: to that, and so, just as best as I can
Speaker 1: understand the overwhelming majority of donors, Joe Biden he has
Speaker 1: never been super cozy with the donor class up until
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, it's a little complex because obviously
Speaker 1: he was a great friend of the credit card industry,
Speaker 1: the banking industry, so I'm not going to potentially he
Speaker 1: didn't have donor tizes that would be ridiculous, but he
Speaker 1: was getting reelected for the Senate in a safe seat
Speaker 1: in Delaware, so he didn't build out the type of
Speaker 1: extensive donor network where these people are personal friends the
Speaker 1: way that a Nancy Pelosi.
Speaker 3: And a Chuck Schumer have done.
Speaker 1: Schumer in New York that's one major fundraising base, the
Speaker 1: other in California. They're the types that have these personal
Speaker 1: relationships long time, going back decades. Joe Biden isn't that guy,
Speaker 1: and there is something with like, you know, Obama world
Speaker 1: has always even before his decline, kind of looked down
Speaker 1: at him as not being you know, as sophisticated as
Speaker 1: they are, and that also filters into the way the
Speaker 1: donor set has looked at him, So most of them
Speaker 1: don't have these long term personal friendships with him in
Speaker 1: the same way that they do with like an Obama also,
Speaker 1: and so my impression, based on the reporting and based
Speaker 1: on talking to Abigail Disney and seeing what's coming out
Speaker 1: from these groups from people of good sources, is that
Speaker 1: most of the donor class does want him to go
Speaker 1: prefers another candidate at the top of the ticket, Reid
Speaker 1: Hoffman and Dimitri Melhorne, like I said, as his donor advisor,
Speaker 1: they seem to be fairly lonely in that And as
Speaker 1: I mentioned before, reporting also says that fundraising has basically
Speaker 1: is dead, all but dead for the Biden campaign at
Speaker 1: the moment, and not just big dollar fundraising, but also
Speaker 1: grassroots fundraising to his claim that it's just a cabal
Speaker 1: of elites who want amount and we'll show you this
Speaker 1: in the poll section as well. Now, a majority of Democrats,
Speaker 1: including majority by the way of black Democrats, want Joe
Speaker 1: Biden off the top of the ticket.
Speaker 3: So it is a weird.
Speaker 1: Coalition of people when you're talking about you know, the
Speaker 1: potse bros An online lefties and Richie Torres that want
Speaker 1: the sky on the race, and it's a weird coalition
Speaker 1: people who want to meant, Bernie Sanders and AOC backing
Speaker 1: up by and nilhan Omar for whatever reasons they've decided
Speaker 1: to take this position, they've taken this position. So it
Speaker 1: is a strange, non ideological coalition of people on both
Speaker 1: sides of this equation that crosses all class, gender, race,
Speaker 1: all every boundary you can possibly think of.
Speaker 3: Although I will say the Olds.
Speaker 1: Seem to be more inclined to want to keep Joe
Speaker 1: Biden on the ticket than the younger part of the party.
Speaker 2: We'll get to that, and no I'll piss off some
Speaker 2: of the boomers in our audience. Let's also we be
Speaker 2: remiss if we didn't point out as well that sitting
Speaker 2: senators are actually begin to sound the alarm. Actually on
Speaker 2: the record here we have Senator Richard Blumenthal from Connecticut.
Speaker 2: Let's take a listen to what he had to say.
Speaker 6: I am deeply concerned about Joe Biden winning this November
Speaker 6: because it is an existential threat to the cuntry of
Speaker 6: Donald Trump wins. So I think that we have to
Speaker 6: reach a conclusion as soon as possible, and I think
Speaker 6: Joe Biden, as the Democrat nominee, has my support.
Speaker 2: So that's what he had to say. But then probably
Speaker 2: the most significant was this, let's put this up there
Speaker 2: on this on the screen, because this isn't just about
Speaker 2: deep concerns. This is a sitting Democratic senator, the Senator
Speaker 2: Peter Welch, Democrat from Vermont. Biden should withdraw for the
Speaker 2: good of the country. We need him to put us first,
Speaker 2: as he has done before. Now, as always, we start
Speaker 2: with the platitudes. I have great respect for He's a
Speaker 2: great He saved our country from a tyrant. He is
Speaker 2: a man of uncommon decent, uncommon amongst uncommon men. As
Speaker 2: David Goggins would say, he cares deeply about our democracy.
Speaker 2: He has been one of the best presidents of our time.
Speaker 2: But I, like folks across the country, I'm worried about
Speaker 2: November's election. Mistakes could not be higher. We cannot unsee
Speaker 2: President Biden's disastrous debate performance. We cannot ignore or dismiss
Speaker 2: the valid questions raised since that night. I understand why
Speaker 2: Biden wants to run. He saved us from Donald Trump.
Speaker 2: But for the good of the country, I am calling
Speaker 2: on President Biden to withdraw from the race. So that
Speaker 2: is the explicit call of withdrawal coming from Peter Welch.
Speaker 2: We've seen the alarm sounded by Senator Blumenthal, Senator Bennett.
Speaker 2: These are moderate Patty Murray, and I think what are
Speaker 2: these people all have in common? They're Centrists And I
Speaker 2: think Christal, what you were talking about a little bit
Speaker 2: earlier with these progressives is they almost feel in a
Speaker 2: way they have to overcompensate to defend Biden, whereas these
Speaker 2: folks they're just channeling the donor class and they probably
Speaker 2: have a little bit more room within the intra party
Speaker 2: coalition to speak their mind. I don't know what it
Speaker 2: gets to, but they have a confidence which I respect.
Speaker 2: You know, Look, it's not easy to actually come out
Speaker 2: and be like, no, hey, you gotta co But what
Speaker 2: we also have learned is that these people, Bennett, Welch
Speaker 2: and others, what do they all say when you press
Speaker 2: them a little bit more. I'm speaking on behalf of
Speaker 2: my colleagues. I'm speaking on behalf of everybody in the caucus,
Speaker 2: and Let's be honest. They're not stupid. They know they
Speaker 2: knew about Feinstein, they knew about the others, and this
Speaker 2: is just getting to a completely untenable point because some
Speaker 2: of them actually do believe their rhetoric about the stakes.
Speaker 2: And I think Peter Welsh might be one of those
Speaker 2: works where he's like, I actually am really freaked out
Speaker 2: by Trump. Yeah, we can't handle this like you are
Speaker 2: going down to historic proportions. We've got to make a change,
Speaker 2: And that's why he felt the need.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, it's interesting with Peter Welsh. I've actually
Speaker 1: known him for a long time because back in my
Speaker 1: very early cable news days when I was a guest
Speaker 1: on the Dylan Radigan Show, Peter Welsh was a regular
Speaker 1: guy who was a congressman from Vermont at that point,
Speaker 1: and you know, Dylan always prized Dylan would have Bernie
Speaker 1: on all the time too, before most of the country
Speaker 1: knew who Bernie Sanders was, and he always prized people
Speaker 1: who had, you know, some integrity and would say things
Speaker 1: that weren't necessarily the party line.
Speaker 3: And Peter Welsh fit that bill.
Speaker 1: So it doesn't totally surprise me that he's one of
Speaker 1: the early people to come out and have a little
Speaker 1: bit of courage here. And I think you're right. I
Speaker 1: think it really is separating out. Okay, Number one, there's
Speaker 1: a whole bunch of political incentives at play now. Peter
Speaker 1: Wells Vermont is a very safe Democratic seat, so I
Speaker 1: don't think he's particularly concerned about his reelect. I also
Speaker 1: don't think he's up for reelection for a while, so
Speaker 1: that's kind of pushed to the side for him. There
Speaker 1: are the donor considerations which are pushing in the direction
Speaker 1: of coming out publicly and saying something. And you know,
Speaker 1: there's also just do I have a shred of integrity
Speaker 1: When I sat there for years and said Republicans are cowards.
Speaker 1: They're saying behind the scenes that they don't like Donald Trump,
Speaker 1: but they don't say shit when they get in front
Speaker 1: of a camera. Am I now going to be that
Speaker 1: same thing on the Democratic side?
Speaker 2: It's true, right right? Watching Blue Maga behavior.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, I mean parallels are incredible, honestly, and including in
Speaker 1: like Biden's behavior and the way that he's approached this
Speaker 1: and the way that rather than what Democrats wanted him
Speaker 1: to do was okay, prove to us you're okay right, like,
Speaker 1: come out, do some stuff so we can look at
Speaker 1: you and go all right. I think he can be
Speaker 1: all right through the fall. I mean another four years
Speaker 1: is a whole other question though, but they just are like,
Speaker 1: all right, let's just see if you could get through
Speaker 1: the fall. Instead of doing that, he instead is like
Speaker 1: issuing threats and trying to scare people into submission and
Speaker 1: saying effectively like I'll blow up this whole thing if
Speaker 1: you all don't just get on board. I think part
Speaker 1: of what we're seeing too is that that tactic may
Speaker 1: have backfired.
Speaker 3: I think people.
Speaker 1: Were really insulted by that. Also, some of the language
Speaker 1: that came out from the Biden campaign originally about like
Speaker 1: the bed wedding brigade or whatever. I think that was
Speaker 1: very insulting as well. And these are human beings who
Speaker 1: have their own egos and who don't want to just
Speaker 1: you know, sort of have their legitimate concerns pushed aside
Speaker 1: or be constantly gas lit or bullied or lied to.
Speaker 1: And so I think that could be playing into this
Speaker 1: moment as well, where it's possible as the week is
Speaker 1: worn on and people really thought about that letter, it
Speaker 1: has curdled like sour Milk.
Speaker 2: I think you're right. I just think, man, there's so
Speaker 2: much going on where today really is a big day.
Speaker 2: We have the press conference. Yeah, but also today is Thursday,
Speaker 2: so that means that tomorrow the Congress is all going
Speaker 2: to be flying back home. So if there's ever anything
Speaker 2: that's going to happen, it's going to be tonight and so.
Speaker 2: And by the way, we actually had another congressman who
Speaker 2: came on CNN this morning around five in the morning,
Speaker 2: and he says, I'm getting closer and closer to appreciating
Speaker 2: that as much as I respect Joe Biden, what he's done,
Speaker 2: what George Clooney said yesterday was really powerful in that
Speaker 2: he saved democracy in twenty twenty, but he's got to
Speaker 2: do it again in twenty twenty four, and that he
Speaker 2: basically opens the door to saying I think what I've
Speaker 2: heard from the debate is that instead of saying, look,
Speaker 2: you know, let me show you I can do this,
Speaker 2: he's kind of just went at us. And I don't
Speaker 2: think that that helped him. That letter did not help
Speaker 2: him amongst colleagues. So admitting there that the forceful Trumpian
Speaker 2: strategy of you know, watch me, just watch me and
Speaker 2: it's like, dude, it's been two weeks to the day.
Speaker 3: We've been watching.
Speaker 2: That's helps you. It's been two weeks to the day,
Speaker 2: fourteen days since his his debate performance. His first press
Speaker 2: conference is today, fourteen days to set up a press conference,
Speaker 2: and you've been doing these BS scripted events off of
Speaker 2: a teleprompter. The only questions you're taking are from freaking donors.
Speaker 3: And you send questions to the radio.
Speaker 1: Hosode for the only reporters reading off notes, you'll report.
Speaker 2: You're taking questions from the people who you gave the
Speaker 2: questions to. Yeah, this is madness.
Speaker 3: And then the call in to Morning Joe.
Speaker 1: I mean that was really the big offense of this
Speaker 1: this week was like I'm going to do.
Speaker 3: This call in.
Speaker 1: I'm going to sound really forceful, which, of course you
Speaker 1: can have aids standing behind beside you.
Speaker 3: He admits he's reading off his notes at.
Speaker 2: Week's speakerphone with is it.
Speaker 3: Still in coherence?
Speaker 1: Still like wildly in go here, But this is the
Speaker 1: best you're going to get. Apparently puts on that letter,
Speaker 1: tries to assert, you know, meets with the CBC, starts
Speaker 1: calling people, trying to wrangle everybody in by the way,
Speaker 1: I also saw they're already starting to put in calls
Speaker 1: to delegates because they're worried about a delegate coup at
Speaker 1: the convention.
Speaker 3: As well.
Speaker 1: There's this what is it conscience clause that technically means
Speaker 1: that they don't have to vote for Joe Biden even
Speaker 1: though they're Joe Biden delegate.
Speaker 3: So they're starting to get worried about that.
Speaker 1: So it shows you though that all of those efforts
Speaker 1: at the beginning of the week, which again there were
Speaker 1: a couple of days there when I was like, I
Speaker 1: think this might have worked. People might just speak too
Speaker 1: cowardly and just shut up, and he may just grind
Speaker 1: it out. It's looking a lot more tenuous today, and
Speaker 1: that's why.
Speaker 3: That press conference. There was one report.
Speaker 1: From what's his name, Edward Isaac Dovier that a lot
Speaker 1: of Democrats are actually hoping that he faced plans at
Speaker 1: the press conference because it will make their decision easier
Speaker 1: to come out publicly.
Speaker 2: That's a good segue, So let's go to the next part.
Speaker 2: Let's put this up there please on the screen. Today,
Speaker 2: as I said, the Senate Democrats actually have summoned or
Speaker 2: they tried to get I think a meeting with Biden,
Speaker 2: and all they got were Biden advisors Mike Donaldan, Steve Verschetti,
Speaker 2: and then the campaign chair, Jen O'Malley Dylan. That will
Speaker 2: be at a meeting that will take place sometime today
Speaker 2: before the press conference, but all eyes are going to
Speaker 2: be on that press conference. It is right after the
Speaker 2: NATO summit officially concludes. Now, there's a couple of ways
Speaker 2: that this can go down. First and foremost, as I've said,
Speaker 2: is that the Biden Whitehouse has had a very concerted
Speaker 2: strategy in the past, and all white Houses do this,
Speaker 2: but they do it to like the tenth degree, where
Speaker 2: all questions at the White House are basically pre screened,
Speaker 2: not the questions themselves, but who is going to ask
Speaker 2: the question, so that the president will have a list.
Speaker 2: The way it works is that you send your request
Speaker 2: in to KJP and you're like, hey, I want to
Speaker 2: ask a question, and they're like, oh, yeah, well what
Speaker 2: do you want to ask about? And you'll be like, look,
Speaker 2: you know I'm not going to tell you that. You
Speaker 2: know me, We've worked together for a couple of years,
Speaker 2: so call on me or don't. And then basically an
Speaker 2: hour or so before they let you know, but it's
Speaker 2: always in a way of I'm doing you a favor.
Speaker 2: Now from the people I've spoken to previously, they are
Speaker 2: able to play people off of each other. So they
Speaker 2: go and they select the most friendly reporters in the
Speaker 2: press corps or the ones who they think are going
Speaker 2: to soften what will eventually be a tough question. This time, though,
Speaker 2: it's a big problem because the press corps is broken,
Speaker 2: as they have been lied to now in the span
Speaker 2: of just two weeks. They're pissed off because, let's be honest,
Speaker 2: they look foolish because they've been covering this man for
Speaker 2: three years and they are exposed as live. So this
Speaker 2: time their ability to play people off is going to
Speaker 2: be much more diminished than it was previously. But the
Speaker 2: White House is still setting this up as some sort
Speaker 2: of set piece of vent. They're calling it the quote
Speaker 2: big boy press conference. Quite literally, let's take a listen.
Speaker 7: After that, the president will hold a press conference, I
Speaker 7: guess a big boy press conference.
Speaker 3: We're calling it, and take some questions from me only.
Speaker 2: Yes, big boy press conference. They repeated that twice in
Speaker 2: the briefing room.
Speaker 8: Yes.
Speaker 2: In screen, John Pierre also called it big Here's the
Speaker 2: thing if it's going to be a real press conference
Speaker 2: the way that they should be. So I'll give you example.
Speaker 2: So back in the day under Trump, under actually going
Speaker 2: all the way back to President Eisenhower, there was no
Speaker 2: pre screening process. It was just people would come in
Speaker 2: and there would be a room of two hundred people
Speaker 2: and he would just sit up there and be like you,
Speaker 2: let's go, and they would go for two hours. I'm
Speaker 2: talking about a real back and forth, the type con
Speaker 2: troll stuff. Whenever they have something that they want don't
Speaker 2: want to talk about. They're going to encourage the president
Speaker 2: not to do that, I think, but they're going to
Speaker 2: struggle with the optics. So my prediction is they're going
Speaker 2: to do maybe four or five. Biden is going to ramble,
Speaker 2: and he'll try and draw the time out as long
Speaker 2: as possible so you can say, look, he just took
Speaker 2: one hours worth of questions, Like okay, if you take
Speaker 2: twenty minutes to answer five questions, yeah, that's not possible.
Speaker 2: My hope is that the press corps is so broken,
Speaker 2: so humiliated, that they're going to shout him down the
Speaker 2: way that they shout it down. Kareem, Jean Pierre and
Speaker 2: be like, did you or did you not have a
Speaker 2: diagnosistance of Parkinston's disease? Did you or did you not?
Speaker 2: You know? Actual? Or do you have true confidence you
Speaker 2: can do the job as commander in chief? Are you
Speaker 2: fully with it? What have conversations with your family been
Speaker 2: like this? What about pressure from the donor class hammering
Speaker 2: him on his ability to do the job. I would
Speaker 2: hope that that is going to happen. I don't have
Speaker 2: one hundred percent confidence, but I do believe that so
Speaker 2: many of them have been humiliated. Yeah, and watching you know,
Speaker 2: Chuck Todd and others turn on him. Have you seen
Speaker 2: this recently? Yeah, Chuck Todd is like, well, three years
Speaker 2: ago a Democratic senator told me there's no way you
Speaker 2: can be president again. I'm like, bro, why didn't you
Speaker 2: tell us that? That seems pretty relevant?
Speaker 1: Yeah, you think it was actually was a secretary, cabinet
Speaker 1: secretary set.
Speaker 2: Right, And it's like, that's even worse.
Speaker 3: Right, And it is.
Speaker 1: I mean, it is really something to now see all
Speaker 1: of these anecdotes coming out and it's like, oh, now
Speaker 1: you tell us right, two minutes ago you were saying
Speaker 1: that these videos of him were cheap fakes and that
Speaker 1: we were all, you know, right wing ops for even
Speaker 1: mentioning his age, And I just I keep thinking too
Speaker 1: about you know, we did those word clouds. Of course,
Speaker 1: how people feel what the first word is that comes
Speaker 1: to their mind on Trump and Biden and Trump, it
Speaker 1: was there were a bunch of different things. Criminal was
Speaker 1: the number one, but he was. There were a bunch
Speaker 1: of different things with Joe Biden. Whether you were a Democrat,
Speaker 1: especially if you were an independent or a Republican, then
Speaker 1: number one thing was old.
Speaker 3: And the other thing that I've been thinking about.
Speaker 1: Too is like, listen, Nancy Pelosi doesn't have it as
Speaker 1: much on the ball as she used to, but actually,
Speaker 1: when I'm listening to Bernie Sanders, I'm like, this is
Speaker 1: exactly the same. It really isn't just age, Like age
Speaker 1: is obviously contributing fact or anyone who was aging parents,
Speaker 1: grandparents or whatever. You've seen this, but there are other
Speaker 1: things going on with Joe Biden. We'll talk more about
Speaker 1: that in the health block. But it's not just about
Speaker 1: the number. There has been a marked decline even over
Speaker 1: just the past few months. If you go back I
Speaker 1: heard someone talking about like even if you just go
Speaker 1: back and watch remember the Brandon the dark Brandon.
Speaker 3: Speech with the red background and whatever.
Speaker 5: I mean.
Speaker 1: It wasn't great, but it was a hell of a
Speaker 1: lot better than what he could do today. Certainly if
Speaker 1: you go back to the twenty twenty campaign, and this
Speaker 1: was at a time when we already were saying, hey,
Speaker 1: this guy sometimes is really on to lunch and having
Speaker 1: trouble finishing a thought. Even then you look and it
Speaker 1: is just a dramatic difference. You had a member of
Speaker 1: Congress who leaked, you know, didn't say this publicly, but
Speaker 1: leaked anonymously that they do like an issues conference. They
Speaker 1: did this in February and typically it's kind of freewheeling
Speaker 1: with the president involved in you know, with the caucuses,
Speaker 1: behind closed doors, not a public event, and they said
Speaker 1: it was prescripted, like rather than people just being able
Speaker 1: to ask what they want to ask, you had people
Speaker 1: reading prescripted questions off of note cards.
Speaker 3: And they have noticed the way he's been more and
Speaker 3: more tightly controlled.
Speaker 1: So you, as you mentioned, you've got the Senate Dems
Speaker 1: who are meeting with Donolan and Raschetti. These are two
Speaker 1: long time Biden aids. I'm talking decades long, and these
Speaker 1: are the men who, in all likelihood are probably running
Speaker 1: the country right now, and they are the ones who
Speaker 1: have come up with this strategy to just dig in
Speaker 1: and bully and hold on for dear life because they
Speaker 1: like running the country, they like having this power. And
Speaker 1: if Joe Biden isn't in, neither are they.
Speaker 3: This is their guy.
Speaker 1: And so they are in a lot of ways just
Speaker 1: as important, certainly as powerful as the President of the
Speaker 1: United States right now, even though not a single voter,
Speaker 1: probably very few know who they are, and certainly no
Speaker 1: one voted for them to be in those positions.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, so look, everybody, as we said, we will provide
Speaker 2: coverage later today, we'll see how the press conference goes,
Speaker 2: very very hotly anticipated. And this is it. This is
Speaker 2: actually this is probably the biggest moment of his life, right.
Speaker 2: I mean, this is arguably bigger than the debate. Because
Speaker 2: of the debate. I wouldn't say it was the total
Speaker 2: nail in the coffin, but I guess we got halfway there.
Speaker 2: I mean, it's up to him. His fate is completely
Speaker 2: in his hands, and.
Speaker 1: The knives are out for him now. He's not going
Speaker 1: to get any kind of grace. I mean, going in
Speaker 1: to the debate. The media would have given him some
Speaker 1: grace if there were a few bobbles, but it was
Speaker 1: so bad that it was undeniable.
Speaker 3: I mean.
Speaker 1: To make a prediction, I just don't think he has
Speaker 1: it in him to get through this performance the.
Speaker 3: Way he would need to, yeah, to alleviate.
Speaker 1: Concerns, because at this point it's not enough to bumble
Speaker 1: through the way that he has in the past. He
Speaker 1: has to actually impress right. And even then, to be
Speaker 1: honest with you, I think the snowball has already started.
Speaker 1: But the Morning Joe appearance with his notes, with his
Speaker 1: aids on a call in, so he's not doesn't have
Speaker 1: to worry about his face and the way he looks
Speaker 1: and all of those things. Even then, he's totally incoherence.
Speaker 1: The sentences make no sense. They start and they end
Speaker 1: in this totally different place, or they just sort of
Speaker 1: trail off into nothingness. I think that's the best he's
Speaker 1: got at this point. So it would not surprise me
Speaker 1: if today could be could be the actual nail in
Speaker 1: the gold.
Speaker 2: There is no evidence that he can feel questions with
Speaker 2: any confidence. We know this from Morning Joe. We know
Speaker 2: this from the fact that he's denied the Super Bowl
Speaker 2: interviews two years in a row, that he's done less
Speaker 2: press conferences than any president in modern American history. The
Speaker 2: only reason he appears cogent and coherent off the teleprompters
Speaker 2: because it's freaking script right, So he is.
Speaker 1: A teleprompter in donor meetings for six minute comments.
Speaker 2: He falls apart under the debate, you know, with Trump
Speaker 2: now this time around too. Like I said, the press
Speaker 2: is not gonna cut you when he's slack. If you
Speaker 2: start going off in a tangent, they're gonna be like,
Speaker 2: what was that, mister president? Can you not answer a question?
Speaker 2: Mister president? So under that type of pressure and scrutiny,
Speaker 2: he's gonna get what do old people do? They get ornery,
Speaker 2: They're gonna lose his train of thought. He's gonna get frustrated,
Speaker 2: he's gonna get mad. He's gonna face real pressure for
Speaker 2: the you know, really the first time I think under
Speaker 2: this press corps and uh, look, I think it goes
Speaker 2: one of two ways. But I think you're right in
Speaker 2: that I actually don't have confidence that he has the
Speaker 2: ability left in him at all to deliver the quarter
Speaker 2: for the strength. And I mean if he does it,
Speaker 2: you know, maybe one of the great coups of his life.
Speaker 2: But even if he does what you and I both know,
Speaker 2: can this man serve four and a half more years now?
Speaker 2: Office answer?
Speaker 3: Obvious? No, obvious?
Speaker 2: Yeah, can he do this tomorrow? Let alone four freaking
Speaker 2: years from now? Eighty six years old? And like you said, too, look,
Speaker 2: it's not just about age, But what is the thing
Speaker 2: about age? It's about risk. It's at the risk of
Speaker 2: this type of stuff going on. It goes from one
Speaker 2: in you know, one in one hundred thousand to like
Speaker 2: one in what fifty or something, and perhaps with the
Speaker 2: stress and all the you know, all the factors, his
Speaker 2: lifestyle and everything, that he just happens to be, like,
Speaker 2: you know, the perfect patient for something like this to
Speaker 2: happen to.
Speaker 1: I mean, I also think the Parkinson's concern, yeah, I
Speaker 1: think is real, are very legitimate, very legitimate. And as
Speaker 1: I've said before, if you had the same set of
Speaker 1: facts with Donald Trump, the symptoms experts coming out and saying, look,
Speaker 1: it looks like this guy has Parkinson's, the visits from
Speaker 1: the Parkinson's experts, the cover up and the lies from
Speaker 1: the White House, the fact that they won't answer a
Speaker 1: question straight all of those and that his personal physician is, like,
Speaker 1: you know, a family friend and obviously is going to
Speaker 1: just say whatever he needs to say.
Speaker 3: That the family wants him to say.
Speaker 1: You put all those things together, and I think people
Speaker 1: should have a lot of questions about what is going
Speaker 1: on there. So we will see what happens tonight. Got
Speaker 1: to be interesting, guys, it'll be fun.
Speaker 3: All right, Let's move on to the other.
Speaker 1: This was also almost as consequential potentially as Nancy Pelosi
Speaker 1: George Clooney publishing an op ed in The New York
Speaker 1: Times saying Biden should go. And of note, the reason
Speaker 1: we label this block Obama is because Clooney is a
Speaker 1: very close by Obama friend, and we've just learned this morning,
Speaker 1: actually called Obama before putting out this op ed. Reportedly
Speaker 1: Obama did not encourage him, but also didn't discourage him.
Speaker 1: Especially noteworthy given some of the lines and the piece.
Speaker 1: Let's put the first one up on the screen. Here,
Speaker 1: here's the headline, George Clooney, I love Joe Biden, but
Speaker 1: we need a new nominee. Put this pull quote up
Speaker 1: on the screen. He says, is it fair to point
Speaker 1: these things out?
Speaker 3: It has to be.
Speaker 1: This is about age, nothing more, but also nothing that
Speaker 1: can be reversed. We are not going to win in
Speaker 1: November with this president very unequivocal. On top of that,
Speaker 1: we won't win the House, and we're going to lose
Speaker 1: the Senate. This isn't only my opinion. This is the
Speaker 1: opinion of every Senator and congress member and governor who
Speaker 1: I've spoken with in private, every single one, irrespective of
Speaker 1: what he or she is saying publicly. You also have
Speaker 1: to suspect that it was probably the assessment of the
Speaker 1: former president that he spoke to as well before publishing
Speaker 1: this piece, and you can rest assured that he read
Speaker 1: to Obama exactly what he was going to say. Okay,
Speaker 1: here's the other piece that is incredibly consequential. He says,
Speaker 1: the one battle that Joe Biden cannot win is the
Speaker 1: fight against time. None of us can. It's devastating to
Speaker 1: say it, but the Joe Biden is with three weeks
Speaker 1: ago at the fundraiser was not the Joe big effing
Speaker 1: deal Biden of twenty twenty twenty ten. Rather, he wasn't
Speaker 1: even the Joe Biden of twenty twenty. He was the
Speaker 1: same man we all witnessed at the debate, and Sager
Speaker 1: others have come out now and said and agreed with
Speaker 1: that assessment that at that you know, star studded Hollywood
Speaker 1: fundraiser that Jimmy Kimmel hosted and Obama was there and
Speaker 1: George Clooney was there, and Julia Roberts and all these
Speaker 1: other people that he looked and sounded exactly as he
Speaker 1: looked and sounded at the debate. In other words, that
Speaker 1: was not a quote unquote bad night as the Biden
Speaker 1: people want to spin it. It is typical of his
Speaker 1: condition at this point.
Speaker 2: I'm furious about this for a variety of reasons because
Speaker 2: if you saw it, dude, you raised thirty million dollars
Speaker 2: for it, and he didn't say anything until after the debate.
Speaker 2: It's like, okay, I guess you know, thanks for coming
Speaker 2: out now. But I'm actually more furious at the White
Speaker 2: House because what lectures did we receive? Those are cheap fakes,
Speaker 2: And we're going to show you the video of Obama
Speaker 2: leaving him off the stage. How dare you suggest that
Speaker 2: he's not with it? And now we have the central
Speaker 2: organizer of the fundraisers saying, God, he's gone.
Speaker 1: He put The Three Wilstager is speaking here of the
Speaker 1: b three that shows there's Obama leading him off the stage.
Speaker 2: And he's like stuck, you know, in Joe Rodan's words,
Speaker 2: frozen up like Windows ninety five. I've locked up like
Speaker 2: the blue screen of death. And Obama's like, here we go, Joe.
Speaker 2: Now again, I don't want to be unkind, but how
Speaker 2: many of us have an old person in our lives
Speaker 2: who we have had to do something similar to? And
Speaker 2: I think that's also why I trust the American people
Speaker 2: more than the press corps and everybody else fool themselves,
Speaker 2: is because we're all like, hey, I've seen it before.
Speaker 2: It's sad, but you know, this guy's freaking president and
Speaker 2: that behavior I recognize it. I recognize it just like
Speaker 2: anybody else, you know, can deny my eyes and ears
Speaker 2: for what I can see very clearly before you. But
Speaker 2: the hilarious part is the response from the Biden campaign now,
Speaker 2: where they're basically saying what they're calling George Clooney, like
Speaker 2: sleepy George.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: So their insinuation is that actually Biden has much more
Speaker 1: vigor and vitality than George Clooney, which.
Speaker 3: To the point you've been making.
Speaker 1: About how the press score is not buying this bullshit anymore.
Speaker 1: Just take a listen to Jake Tapper's reaction. This is
Speaker 1: b too, guys, go ahead and run it.
Speaker 9: In response to those comments from George Clooney, Jake, a
Speaker 9: campaign official who attended that Los Angeles fundraiser, tells me
Speaker 9: that George Clooney left three hours before the president, So
Speaker 9: clearly the gloves are off Jake.
Speaker 10: But what does that mean that George Clooney left for
Speaker 10: What's what's the point.
Speaker 9: The point of that is to suggest that Biden's stamina
Speaker 9: is better than Clooney's, and Clooney didn't have, you know,
Speaker 9: eyes on the entire event. That's the response to the
Speaker 9: Clooney out ed, Okay.
Speaker 2: Sleepy, George only showed up for three or thought three
Speaker 2: hours early and took a picture.
Speaker 1: It's like, uh, they had better things to do. First of all, yeah,
Speaker 1: probably boring ass event.
Speaker 2: Second, he had a conversation with you that we know
Speaker 2: that there's a picture of it quite literally of you
Speaker 2: guys talking. I will say one of the other mega
Speaker 2: donors at the event was like, actually he was totally
Speaker 2: with it, you know. Whenever it's like, yeah, all right, sure,
Speaker 2: I mean what we do know isn't this isn't Obama
Speaker 2: conserted effort because we have multiple other people connected to
Speaker 2: Barack Obama. Yeah, we're also now saying the same thing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so from the beginning, Okay, so you'll recall immediately
Speaker 1: after the debate, Obama comes down and says like, oh,
Speaker 1: we can all have a bad night. We haven't heard
Speaker 1: a word from that man since that. And there has
Speaker 1: always been this sort of schism between the Biden people
Speaker 1: and the Obama people in this sense that like Biden's
Speaker 1: got a chip on his shoulder about being condescended to
Speaker 1: by the Obama intellectuals. So there's some history there that's
Speaker 1: worth noting. But Clooney very closely Obama tied. We get
Speaker 1: confirmation this morning that he ran this by Obama before.
Speaker 1: And also remember Obama is the reason that Biden is
Speaker 1: the present anyway, because he's the one who helped to
Speaker 1: orchestrate behind the scenes Pete and all these people dropping
Speaker 1: out so that Biden could ultimately defeat Bernie Sanders. So
Speaker 1: He's continues to be an incredibly constant question, the obviously
Speaker 1: very popular figure within the Democrat Party. So George Clooney
Speaker 1: is a close associate David Axelrod, close friend, longtime strategist,
Speaker 1: has been out for a while. Immediately after the debate
Speaker 1: is basically saying we got to do something else. And
Speaker 1: then famously at this point the Podsave Bros, who are
Speaker 1: all Obama guys and still very connected in that world,
Speaker 1: have been some of the most aggressive online pushers for
Speaker 1: we got to do something else. Both Jon Favreau, who
Speaker 1: is a Pod Save Bro, and David Axelrod joined CNN
Speaker 1: to make this case recently.
Speaker 3: Let's take a listen to that.
Speaker 10: No, I think what's hurting Joe Biden right now is
Speaker 10: not only the debate performance, but the response to the
Speaker 10: debate performance, in that he has been unable to articulate
Speaker 10: a coherent and compelling argument against Donald Trump, who I
Speaker 10: believe represents an existential threat to our democracy, and the
Speaker 10: debate did not. Voters had concerns about Joe biden Agent
Speaker 10: fitness for the job long before the debate, an overwhelming
Speaker 10: majority of voters did, and the debate amplified those concerns
Speaker 10: in a way that was very visceral for voters to see.
Speaker 10: And so it's like it really doesn't matter what I think.
Speaker 10: But I hope that the Biden campaign and that President
Speaker 10: Biden will just like listen to the voters, right and
Speaker 10: the overwhelming majority of whom do not like Donald Trump,
Speaker 10: do not think Donald Trump is honest. But I have
Speaker 10: had concerns for a couple of years now that Joe
Speaker 10: Biden is not fit for another four years because of
Speaker 10: his age.
Speaker 11: The President tried to close down this discussion at the
Speaker 11: beginning of the week with his letter to the House,
Speaker 11: and what she's saying, delicately and respectfully is no, really,
Speaker 11: the discussion isn't over, and we still need to have
Speaker 11: this discussion because she's hearing from members all over the country.
Speaker 11: They all poll they all talk to their constituents, and
Speaker 11: they're worried not just about the existential threat of Donald
Speaker 11: Trump becoming president again, but also the effect that it's
Speaker 11: going to have on all of their races.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so Oxlad talking there about Nancy Pelosi and why
Speaker 1: she made the comments she made of being like, you know,
Speaker 1: he needs to make this decision, even though he's already
Speaker 1: claimed to make this decision. So them moving on Biden
Speaker 1: very noteworthy again close Obama associates, and then this morning
Speaker 1: our producer's flag this. We actually haven't listened to this yet,
Speaker 1: so we'll listen to it live. But apparently on Morning Joe,
Speaker 1: they are getting word from Democrats behind the scenes that
Speaker 1: they believe Barack Obama is quietly working to orchestrate all
Speaker 1: of this.
Speaker 3: Let's take a listen to this.
Speaker 8: We'll say one thing that we do have to underline
Speaker 8: here just so viewers can follow what's going on behind
Speaker 8: the scenes is the.
Speaker 3: Biden campaign and many.
Speaker 8: Democratic officials do believe that Barack Obama is quietly working
Speaker 8: behind the scenes to orchestrate this.
Speaker 1: Well, there's some good reason to believe that that is
Speaker 1: exactly in fact what is happening here.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I think it's obvious. But this is
Speaker 2: where again I don't want to give credit where if
Speaker 2: you're gonna take him out, take him out. If he
Speaker 2: publicly came out or even behind the scenes he went
Speaker 2: on the record like with donors, and he's like, it's over,
Speaker 2: I'm stepping in. Biden is done, He's toast. Even if
Speaker 2: he claimed that he wanted to stick in, the existential
Speaker 2: fallout would be disastrous and also they would be a
Speaker 2: rallying cry by all of the Democratic senators who are
Speaker 2: behind the scenes, because who is the figure in the
Speaker 2: Democratic Party who is more beloved than anybody else, Barack Obama.
Speaker 2: And also I think Obama has not only a special
Speaker 2: responsibility because he served with Biden, but he also critically
Speaker 2: Biden can't attack him as being like like if Whitmer
Speaker 2: said this, what is he going to say, Oh, she
Speaker 2: just wants my job? Or Gavin Newsom he's like, look,
Speaker 2: I can't even serve this job. I'm telling you you
Speaker 2: got to go. And he makes that call or at
Speaker 2: least comes out publicly. That takes actual courage, and he's
Speaker 2: not displaying that with Pelosi, Schumer and the rest of them.
Speaker 2: They're always leaving themselves out. They're like little wheeze. And
Speaker 2: with that, I can't respect that because what they're waiting
Speaker 2: for is to have a true emperor. Has no close
Speaker 2: moment to step in. That doesn't take courage. And also,
Speaker 2: if you claim to love somebody, you don't want that
Speaker 2: to happen. Let's preempt that. Yeah, like you said, with
Speaker 2: this press conference, this could be a freaking disaster. I mean,
Speaker 2: why would you allow somebody to walk into that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think there's a sense of almost like, we
Speaker 1: can do this the easy way.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we do this the hard way.
Speaker 1: And so they're trying to leave him space to recognize
Speaker 1: the writing on the wall that you're going to get
Speaker 1: if you managed to hang on to power, which is
Speaker 1: looking increasingly doubtful, you're going to get destroyed in November.
Speaker 1: You're going to be remembered horribly, like anyone who might
Speaker 1: have had a nice thought about you and still buys
Speaker 1: into always such a decent man, blah blah blah, which
Speaker 1: is obviously a much nonsense. You guys all know that,
Speaker 1: But anyway, anyone who still buys that, that's going to
Speaker 1: be dead. Your legacy is going to be toast. This
Speaker 1: is the only thing you're going to be remembered for.
Speaker 1: Like they want him to come to that realization on
Speaker 1: his own and be able to step down without it
Speaker 1: looking like Barack Obama was like, you have to step down.
Speaker 1: That's what they're hoping for, is that he can do
Speaker 1: this the easy way. Do I think the hard way
Speaker 1: is on the table?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: I kind of do, especially with the amount of the
Speaker 1: donor class that has moved against him. Do I think
Speaker 1: it's possible that they go so far as mounting a
Speaker 1: like you know, DNC Convention delegate coup. Yeah, I think
Speaker 1: that's possible. Do I even think it could be on
Speaker 1: the table the whole twenty fifth Amendment situation? Yeah, I
Speaker 1: think that is theoretically possible.
Speaker 2: I pray for that possibility more than any other guy.
Speaker 2: That's actually what I'm the worst worried about right.
Speaker 1: Now, right, because this man is incapacitated today, yeah, like
Speaker 1: today and now right and has had I think dire
Speaker 1: consequences in terms of our foreign policy, which is the
Speaker 1: area he clearly still has.
Speaker 3: The most command over.
Speaker 1: This is why we're he's been sof feckless and so
Speaker 1: evil with regards to Israel's Warren Gaza. I'm mean, I
Speaker 1: think it's very clear that that's how we've ended up
Speaker 1: in this just horrific, unconscionable, devastating situation. So this man
Speaker 1: has the nuclear codes today, and we are highly doubtful
Speaker 1: that he can strink two sentences together out of press
Speaker 1: conference this evening because of past four pm.
Speaker 3: That's the reality.
Speaker 2: Look, I mean, here in Washington, Zelenski is right here
Speaker 2: right now, given speeches begging for permission to strike Russian
Speaker 2: air bases inside of Russia. He wants to use our
Speaker 2: long range weapons to strike a military base inside Russia. Now,
Speaker 2: can you imagine a similar situation China providing Mexico to
Speaker 2: hit Ellis Air Force Base or something like that in America?
Speaker 2: Get out of here. We're going to full on war.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's right, and he might do it.
Speaker 2: Man, you know we're riding on his mind, right, I mean,
Speaker 2: this is terrific.
Speaker 3: It is terrifying. It's absolutely terrifying.
Speaker 1: To go back to the point you were making about,
Speaker 1: like if you're a true friend of Joe Biden, it's
Speaker 1: so true, yes, Like what true friend would hang him
Speaker 1: out to dry at that debate when these aids clearly,
Speaker 1: judging by how much they have have scripted his events
Speaker 1: and rain him and make sure he's not in the
Speaker 1: public eye whatsoever. They know what's going on, and they
Speaker 1: still put him out there.
Speaker 3: On the debate stage.
Speaker 1: They know what's going on, and they're still putting him
Speaker 1: out there to be humiliated potentially at this press comp
Speaker 1: the big boy press conference today, Like you are doing
Speaker 1: your great friend who you love so dearly, blah blah blah,
Speaker 1: great ast president of all time, et cetera, et cetera.
Speaker 1: You are doing him absolutely no favors. There is actually
Speaker 1: a parallel with Israel because people have been saying this
Speaker 1: as well, like Joe Biden, by being such a great
Speaker 1: friend to Israel's done them no favors either, because this
Speaker 1: conduct of the war has been a disaster for that country.
Speaker 1: Like sometimes being a good friend if you really love
Speaker 1: the person, means telling them some hard truths, and especially
Speaker 1: at a time when he is really probably too addle
Speaker 1: to make great decisions or really understand the landscape himself,
Speaker 1: and instead he's in this bubble. The Raschetties and Donalans
Speaker 1: of the world are keeping any negative information from him.
Speaker 1: He doesn't want to hear. He reportedly gets irate at
Speaker 1: anyone who brings him any bad news. So he surrounded
Speaker 1: with this very small circle of yes men and with
Speaker 1: his apparently villainous wife, and that's how he has.
Speaker 3: Really dug in.
Speaker 1: So, you know, will all these Obama moves, will they
Speaker 1: ultimately amount to anything?
Speaker 3: We shall see.
Speaker 1: But I will say that the fact that they were
Speaker 1: not able to turn off this pigot when they tried
Speaker 1: so hard early in the week, that is probably the
Speaker 1: most significant development. And I don't know that there's anything
Speaker 1: he could do in this press conference. That will quiet
Speaker 1: the concerns at this point, because once you see it,
Speaker 1: you can't unsee it. Right, once you are in the
Speaker 1: headspace of like, Okay, this man has significantly declined, like
Speaker 1: this is a problem. Then all the data points you
Speaker 1: had about his debate performance, about the way the fundraisers
Speaker 1: are scripted, about how inaccessible he is, how he does
Speaker 1: no interviews, he does no press conferences, he didn't do
Speaker 1: the Super Bowl interviews. Suddenly all of those things add
Speaker 1: up to a very clear conclusion. And once you've come
Speaker 1: to that conclusion, I don't think there's any like, there's
Speaker 1: no unseeing it, there's no walking back from it at
Speaker 1: this point.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think you're right. All right, let's get to
Speaker 2: the poll.
Speaker 3: Let's talk about where we are with the polls.
Speaker 1: Since so much of the discussion in DC is focused
Speaker 1: more on Biden's electoral chances, which is understandable, but also
Speaker 1: important are his actual abilities to govern. But since so
Speaker 1: much is focused on his electoral chances, will take a
Speaker 1: look at the very latest of what the polls have
Speaker 1: to stay about his political position. This dropped like a
Speaker 1: stone yesterday. You have all of these districts that are
Speaker 1: being moved by Cook Political report, which assesses all the
Speaker 1: races and says how likely they are to go Republican
Speaker 1: or go Democrat. You have five different races in five
Speaker 1: states that have now moved to worse ratings for Democrats
Speaker 1: because of Joe Biden. So this is all to do
Speaker 1: with the Senate. Arizona has moved from toss up to
Speaker 1: lean our, Georgia toss up to lean OUR, Minnesota likely
Speaker 1: D to lean D, New Hampshire likely D to lean D.
Speaker 1: Nevada toss up to lean are. Let's put the next
Speaker 1: one up on the screen. This is really consequential. New
Speaker 1: York is apparently now a battleground state for Joe Biden.
Speaker 3: This is astonishing. No one should even be thinking.
Speaker 1: I mean, New York is like the definition of a
Speaker 1: safe state for Democrats. So the fact that the polls
Speaker 1: are narrowing in New York at this point, most of
Speaker 1: the polling has been internal, but you have labor leaders
Speaker 1: there and swing district Democrats who are saying that their
Speaker 1: internal polling is looking like a disaster and not that
Speaker 1: Trump would win it. But the fact that it's even
Speaker 1: a question mark at this point is incredibly astonishing. Part
Speaker 1: of why this is so important Soccer two is one
Speaker 1: of the questions in terms of the political calculus for
Speaker 1: all of these cowards in Washington, is what is Joe
Speaker 1: Biden at the top of the ticket mean for me personally?
Speaker 1: And my realizing and the down ballot numbers are starting
Speaker 1: to look extremely dire for those who think that, like, oh,
Speaker 1: people will just split ticket vote and maybe they'll vote
Speaker 1: for Joe for Trump for president, but then they'll vote
Speaker 1: for Tammy Baldwin for Senate. That just doesn't really happen
Speaker 1: to a large extent in modern politics at this point.
Speaker 1: Harry Entston took a look at this for CNN. Let's
Speaker 1: take a listen Biden.
Speaker 12: But the fact of the matter is, you look at
Speaker 12: the national pulling the generic congressional ballot choice for US House.
Speaker 12: Look at this CNN poll plus two Republican, Wall Street
Speaker 12: Journal Paul plus three Republicans. Mom, it's university Paul plus
Speaker 12: three Republican. Yeah, Joe Biden may be in slightly worse
Speaker 12: shape in these particular polls, but the fact is, when
Speaker 12: Biden's down four or five six points in these posts,
Speaker 12: you can only run so far ahead of Joe Biden
Speaker 12: at this particular point, at least in the race for
Speaker 12: the House, it does seem like Republicans are ahead because
Speaker 12: Donald Trump.
Speaker 2: Is so far ahead.
Speaker 12: What's the Senate landscape? Yeah, what's the Senate landscape? I mean,
Speaker 12: take a look here. GOP needs just a gain of
Speaker 12: one for control if Trump wins, and their pay is
Speaker 12: extremely clear because their best chance for a pickup opportunity
Speaker 12: is in West Virginia. That's a very likely GOP win
Speaker 12: with Joe Manchin retiring and the best DEM pickup chance
Speaker 12: perhaps to reverse that, so the GOP doesn't gain net
Speaker 12: gain of at least one is Texas, but that's still
Speaker 12: a likely GOP win. So the fact is, if Donald
Speaker 12: Trump wins this election, the race of the Senate for
Speaker 12: all intentsive purposes, in my mind.
Speaker 2: Is over.
Speaker 12: Let's go back since two thousand, same party, one presidency
Speaker 12: in Congress. Yes, five times, No, is just one time
Speaker 12: in twenty twelve the House that year, but the House
Speaker 12: popular vote that year actually went Democratic, even though Republicans
Speaker 12: maintain control of the House. So the fact is five
Speaker 12: out of six times, that's not good math. And let's
Speaker 12: just take a look at the Senate here. Senate in
Speaker 12: presidential races in twenty sixteen and twenty twenty states that
Speaker 12: voted the same way in both sixty eight states that
Speaker 12: voted for a different party, just one that was Maine
Speaker 12: back in twenty twenty. The fact is, straight ticket voting
Speaker 12: is the way of the land this these days. The
Speaker 12: idea that Democrats down bout could somehow outrun Joe Biden
Speaker 12: is such a great extent to win control in the
Speaker 12: House or maintain control in the Senate, that seems to
Speaker 12: be to be an unlikely proposition.
Speaker 1: Very very unlike, you never know, but very unlikely. It's
Speaker 1: just how modern politics is.
Speaker 2: There are certain examples that we can point to Pennsylvania
Speaker 2: right where we had a pretty big split between people
Speaker 2: who voted for doctor Oz but who didn't vote for
Speaker 2: Doug Mastriano, and they did vote for Governor Josh Shapiro.
Speaker 2: It's what contributed to his wide margin. But in general
Speaker 2: it doesn't really happen, especially at an aggregate level. And
Speaker 2: at the same time, that was in a race where
Speaker 2: the split ticket was in statewide election, not national in general.
Speaker 2: After twenty ten, the federalization of American politics has made
Speaker 2: it so that that whole idea of the blue dog
Speaker 2: Democrat on it basically just doesn't exist anymore. It's gone.
Speaker 2: I mean there's like maybe one or two people in
Speaker 2: a couple of these swings. The number of so called
Speaker 2: swingy representatives in Congress, yeah, all time low for us.
Speaker 2: So if I were them, I just don't buy it.
Speaker 2: And we see a lot of this in the polling data.
Speaker 2: We see Carry Lake now coming, you know, neck and
Speaker 2: neck with Ruben Diego. She was down by fourteen points.
Speaker 2: Now she's tied with Ruben Diego. I mean, if I'm
Speaker 2: Tammy Baldwin, I'm freaking out right now. So just because
Speaker 2: my net approval rating is higher than Biden, who cares?
Speaker 2: You know, huge portions of this population just come in
Speaker 2: and put straight R. Ever, since they added that to
Speaker 2: the ballot, it's basically game over Nevada, you know, all
Speaker 2: New Hampshire, all of these places. This is the real
Speaker 2: problem for them.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I think it's probably likely that Democrats
Speaker 1: will outrun Joe Biden if he's still the nominee by
Speaker 1: some right, but we're seeing polls right now that have
Speaker 1: Tammy Baldwin outrunning.
Speaker 3: Him by twelve points.
Speaker 2: I don't believe that that's just.
Speaker 3: Not going to I don't. That's just not going to happen.
Speaker 1: And you know, the way this works is if the
Speaker 1: top of the ticket performs extraordinarily well, like Barack Obama
Speaker 1: in two thousand and eight. He had these giant cottails,
Speaker 1: all of these Democratic congressional races that people didn't think
Speaker 1: were in play, where you had canids who you know,
Speaker 1: didn't raise a lot of money, weren't really known, and
Speaker 1: Democrats weren't focused on them at all. They break up
Speaker 1: and they, oh my god, I won. Right, So all
Speaker 1: these seats that people didn't think were possible Democrats won.
Speaker 1: When you have a president who dramatically underperforms, it's exactly
Speaker 1: the opposite. There's a reverse coattail effect where you pull
Speaker 1: down people who may not have even thought that they
Speaker 1: were potentially vulnerable. So, however it plays out, however much
Speaker 1: Democrats are able to outrun him, every one of them
Speaker 1: is looking at this and saying this is a problem
Speaker 1: for me. Every single member of the House is up.
Speaker 1: You've got a third of the Senate that's up. The
Speaker 1: Senate has probably gone for Democrats anyway, because, as he
Speaker 1: lays out, they got.
Speaker 3: To win Texas, they got to beat ted Cruz this.
Speaker 1: Time, which I think is fairly unlikely, unless maybe they
Speaker 1: do put George Clooney and Michelle Obama at the top
Speaker 1: of the ticket or something. But the Senate is probably
Speaker 1: looking pretty grim for them. But the House they feel
Speaker 1: like they've got a real shot at the margin is
Speaker 1: already extremely narrow. I think if you had a good
Speaker 1: presidential nominee at the top of the ticket, they've got
Speaker 1: a better than even shot at picking it up, but
Speaker 1: not with this guy.
Speaker 3: Not happening.
Speaker 1: With this guy, you also have increasing recognition among the
Speaker 1: party faithful that Biden should go. We can put this
Speaker 1: latest up on the screen. There's an interesting age divide
Speaker 1: here though among all Democrats it's plus eight. This is
Speaker 1: a Yugov poll from July third to sixth, so it's
Speaker 1: a little bit dated, but this is, you know, an
Speaker 1: the immediate aftermath of the debate. Should he step aside
Speaker 1: all Democrats plus eight Democrats sixty five and older, though,
Speaker 1: the question is minus thirty five, So the younger you are,
Speaker 1: the more likely you are to say, like, get this
Speaker 1: guy out of here. That also tracks with his approval
Speaker 1: rating is much lower the younger you are among Democrats
Speaker 1: versus the older you are. But I also saw a
Speaker 1: new poll this morning. This is a new ABC Episodes
Speaker 1: poll that just came out, and this is of all voters.
Speaker 1: Eighty five percent a voter say that Biden is too
Speaker 1: old for a second term. Eighty five percent. How do
Speaker 1: you overcome that? And then you've got in this poll
Speaker 1: sixty two percent of Democrats saying Biden should step aside.
Speaker 1: So that would seem to indicate that Democratic base voters
Speaker 1: are moving against him really rapidly. And to all his
Speaker 1: claims that, oh, well, black voters still back me up,
Speaker 1: and there's still we need to listen to black voters
Speaker 1: you see all the time on Twitter. Okay, well let's
Speaker 1: listen to black voters. Sixty seven percent say they'd be
Speaker 1: fine with Harris taking over from Biden. And we've long,
Speaker 1: even before the debate, we had a majority of black
Speaker 1: voters who said that they would like a different nominee
Speaker 1: than Joe Biden. So, but that headline, eighty five percent
Speaker 1: of voters say Biden's too old for a second term.
Speaker 1: You think you're going to be able to overcome that?
Speaker 1: There's no way, There is no way. It's only going
Speaker 1: to go higher, Crystal. That's what that's what I think.
Speaker 1: I mean, and you're referencing that poll. I mean, when
Speaker 1: we look at it including more than the seven and
Speaker 1: the ten independence, so the swing voters, the limited an
Speaker 1: amount that are up for grabs.
Speaker 2: Yeah, want Biden to go. I can't not spare though,
Speaker 2: our boomer friends. When you look at that, because the
Speaker 2: numbers that just shows you, you know where the constituency
Speaker 2: for all this still hangs on. You've still got some
Speaker 2: minus thirty five percent spread of the boomers who want
Speaker 2: him to stay in the race. I mean, sixty one
Speaker 2: percent say he definitely should not drop out. What are
Speaker 2: these people doing? I mean, if anyone, they're the most
Speaker 2: familiar with age. But I think, look, here is my hope,
Speaker 2: and this is the only way I can try and
Speaker 2: spend what's happening here as a positive for the country.
Speaker 2: A devastating Biden loss due to age and or getting
Speaker 2: forced out may actually be what forces us to be
Speaker 2: saved from the gerontocracy, because what it means is that
Speaker 2: it is the final electoral signal to the Mitch McConnell's,
Speaker 2: the Chuck Schumers, the Pelosi and others to be like
Speaker 2: it's over. It is jover. If you will, like all
Speaker 2: of this has got to end, people will actually pay
Speaker 2: a price for staying in much longer than they should have.
Speaker 2: And what these people should recognize is that you're doing
Speaker 2: you know, if you want to keep the gerontocracy or
Speaker 2: old folks in power, is that from now till time immemorial,
Speaker 2: big questions around age are going to be what twenty
Speaker 2: fifty times more than they ever will were before. I
Speaker 2: mean in the Reagan and McCain years, everyone's like it
Speaker 2: was a sensitive question. Now it's gonna be like, no,
Speaker 2: straight up, like, show me your health records, everything that
Speaker 2: you've got if you're over at the age of seventy.
Speaker 1: On the other hand, yeah, Donald Trump is going to
Speaker 1: be serving into his agies.
Speaker 2: No, I agree.
Speaker 1: I don't know that it would be such a lesson
Speaker 1: learned since you'll still have an octagenarian.
Speaker 3: President in the offer, right.
Speaker 2: But my thing is is that after that, are we
Speaker 2: really going to renominate somebody who's seventy eight years old?
Speaker 2: Like I don't think so. I think that, you know,
Speaker 2: twenty twenty eight, we're shaping up for it. No matter
Speaker 2: what happens, you know, whoever wins or whatever. I think
Speaker 2: We're shaped up for maybe a couple of fifty year olds.
Speaker 2: And if if Biden loses, think too about the rage
Speaker 2: of the Democratic base is going to be such that
Speaker 2: they will reward the Dean Phillips and others, and they're
Speaker 2: going to be like, look, anyone who's spoken out against this,
Speaker 2: And one of the most potent things that primary challengers
Speaker 2: will have be like, it's time to go, you're too old,
Speaker 2: and that will resonate at a deep level.
Speaker 1: Which actually is actually ironic because that's how Joe Biden
Speaker 1: initially won.
Speaker 2: That's true nineteen seventies is yeah, I.
Speaker 1: Can't remember the name of the duty was running against,
Speaker 1: but he'd been there forever and he was like in
Speaker 1: his sixties and he was like, he's too old.
Speaker 2: Well, let me draw parallel though, because that's a very
Speaker 2: important time. The last time that the Democratic base took
Speaker 2: out their anger on the Democratic elites was the nineteen
Speaker 2: seventy two election. They were called the Watergate babies and
Speaker 2: all in that time period, and it was the rage
Speaker 2: of the base against the party elites who led them
Speaker 2: into Vietnam and co signed all of LBJ. Hubert Humphrey's actions.
Speaker 2: Those elites were actually elected in the nineteen thirties and
Speaker 2: nineteen forties and are the equivalent of the gerontocracy that
Speaker 2: we had today. Those Congressmen and senators and others who
Speaker 2: came in, many of them actually continue to serve today,
Speaker 2: which is wild. But my point is just that you know,
Speaker 2: there are revolutions that happened at this time, and every
Speaker 2: once in a while, the base and others wake up,
Speaker 2: they're like, we got to get these people out of here.
Speaker 2: So that is my prayer for what the results at
Speaker 2: and there.
Speaker 1: Have been some other I mean, it is interesting right
Speaker 1: now because part of what is so fascinating are these
Speaker 1: just like weird coalitions of people who are on either
Speaker 1: side of this equation, and I do think that could
Speaker 1: potentially shake something looset. The other thing that's been hysterical
Speaker 1: to me is like the super Biden defenders now.
Speaker 3: They hate the media.
Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, they think.
Speaker 1: The media is being so unfair to Joe Biden, which
Speaker 1: is hilarious for a variety of reasons, but it also
Speaker 1: makes me kind of hopeful, like, oh, well, maybe they'll
Speaker 1: stop being so sycophantic and just trust whatever the media
Speaker 1: tells him about anything all the time. Is my hope
Speaker 1: for a sil silver lining out of this. But I
Speaker 1: mean my real take is just it's chaos right now.
Speaker 1: How this is going to shake out. It's going to
Speaker 1: have massive, lasting repercussions on American politics, There's no doubt
Speaker 1: about that. What those are going to be, I couldn't say.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 1: It'll depend does he get out, does he not get out,
Speaker 1: does he win, does he lose?
Speaker 3: How bad is it? Who replace?
Speaker 1: All this stuff is still very much a live question,
Speaker 1: which is what makes it so such an incredibly fascinating.
Speaker 3: Time to live through.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, we got one more here for you, which is
Speaker 1: pretty interesting. So one of the Joe Biden talking points
Speaker 1: has been that it's just this cabal of elites who
Speaker 1: wants him to step aside. Now we just ran through
Speaker 1: the polling that shows you. Of course, that's preposterous. It's
Speaker 1: also preposterous because the idea that Joe Biden has been
Speaker 1: some like man of the people is hilarious, especially because
Speaker 1: part of how he's convinced himself that he is like
Speaker 1: this super special political figure and he's the only one
Speaker 1: that could be Trump, and he was underestimated for blah
Speaker 1: blah blah, was by dint of his primary victory over
Speaker 1: Bernie Sanders in twenty twenty. Now we all know how
Speaker 1: that went down. It had very little to do with
Speaker 1: Joe Biden and his acumen. In fact, the fact that
Speaker 1: the former vice president had to be rescued by Obama
Speaker 1: and an actual elite ball behind the scenes was pretty extraordinary.
Speaker 1: But that was another never something that like an ordinary
Speaker 1: establishment Democrat would admit is the way all of that
Speaker 1: went down. But now you had Representative Adam Smith went
Speaker 1: on I believe, multiple programs to remind people what that
Speaker 1: primary was actually about and how that actually went down.
Speaker 1: And it's pretty amazing to see a regular run of
Speaker 1: the mill, rank and file establishment democrat admit what that
Speaker 1: process was actually all about.
Speaker 3: Let's take a listen.
Speaker 13: And I've said this over and over again, Joe Biden
Speaker 13: was not picked in twenty twenty because he was the
Speaker 13: only person who could beat Trump. He was picked because
Speaker 13: he was the only person that could beat Bernie Sanders,
Speaker 13: rightly or wrong. And by the way, for the Sanders
Speaker 13: fans out there, I'm not judging, but that conclusion was made.
Speaker 2: Okay, oh my gosh, coming out of Nevada.
Speaker 13: Bernie Sanders is going to be the nominee, and people
Speaker 13: just like they are now back then, said yeah, I
Speaker 13: don't think that's going to work. So they were looking
Speaker 13: for an alternative. And tip of the hat to Joe Biden.
Speaker 13: He had the record eight great years as vice president.
Speaker 1: Wasn't about he could beat Trump. It was about he
Speaker 1: could be Bernie Sanders. And so all of these elites
Speaker 1: that he's now pretending to be so against, meanwhile he's
Speaker 1: calling them and doing his donor or fundraising pitch and
Speaker 1: trying to smooth the lotters. All of them moved against Bernie,
Speaker 1: moved in favor of Joe Biden, and that's how he
Speaker 1: ends up being the nominee.
Speaker 3: Funny that he can admit that now.
Speaker 2: Truth comes out on time, Yeah yeah, I mean a
Speaker 2: lot of us knew it at the time, covered it
Speaker 2: as such. We're called conspiracy theorists, et cetera. But it
Speaker 2: is funny.
Speaker 5: You know.
Speaker 2: It certainly does reveal everything. We will see what happens
Speaker 2: here with Joe Biden. But I mean that eighty five
Speaker 2: percent one. I can't really get that out of my
Speaker 2: head because that's just that's it. Americans degree on anything
Speaker 2: like literally anything for this I can't think of a
Speaker 2: more unifying position now for the American people.
Speaker 1: Yeah, truly, it is extraordinary. And that's not some elite take.
Speaker 1: That is the will of the people as it is.
Speaker 2: There.
Speaker 1: You go, all right, let's take a look at the
Speaker 1: very latest lies to come out of the White House.
Speaker 1: So we have been covering these questions about Joe Biden
Speaker 1: and potential Parkinson's concerns. You've had multiple experts now come
Speaker 1: out and say he appears to be exhibiting classicsvictims of Parkinson's.
Speaker 1: Then we find out there was a Parkinson's specialist who
Speaker 1: visited the White House eight separate times just in the
Speaker 1: past number of months. The White House really stonewalled when
Speaker 1: they were asked about that, which just raised further questions.
Speaker 1: And now you have Kreean Jean Pierre caught in yet
Speaker 1: another lie, specifically with regard to this Parkinson's expert who
Speaker 1: had visited the White House and put this up on
Speaker 1: the screen from the ap President Joe Biden saw neurologists
Speaker 1: at the White House.
Speaker 3: That's that parkinson specialist.
Speaker 1: For the January seventeenth exam, Press Secretary says that is
Speaker 1: directly contrary to what she had said before. So he
Speaker 1: saw that expert at the White House on January seventeenth
Speaker 1: for a neurological exam, they're now saying, the results of
Speaker 1: which were later reported as part of Zannuel Physical more
Speaker 1: than a month later. This is the latest line from
Speaker 1: the White House that confirmation came. They write after the
Speaker 1: White House Press Secretary Kreean John Pierre inaccurately said during
Speaker 1: the daily briefing with reporters that the January seventeenth meeting
Speaker 1: was not related to care for the President in response
Speaker 1: to a question from the AP. So, the AP asked
Speaker 1: her straight out, was this January seventeenth meeting which we
Speaker 1: knew was there were four people in the room. One
Speaker 1: of them was the Parkinson's expert, one of them was
Speaker 1: Joe Biden's personal physician, and then there was one who
Speaker 1: remained a mystery. Was this about Joe Biden? She said,
Speaker 1: unequivocally No. Now she has had to come back once again.
Speaker 1: This is the second time, just in the past couple
Speaker 1: of days, has had to come back and clean that
Speaker 1: up and admit that this meeting was actually with Joe Biden. So,
Speaker 1: just to recall how all of this went down at
Speaker 1: the initial press briefing, she just stonewalled at the question
Speaker 1: and claimed these preposters like security and privacy concerns, even
Speaker 1: though his name, the specialist name was in the public
Speaker 1: visitors logs that was already public, but she saw privacy concerns,
Speaker 1: security concerns, et cetera. The next time she out and
Speaker 1: out says, no, this meeting was not about Joe Biden.
Speaker 1: Let's listen to her initial comments.
Speaker 14: It's not it's not something that the President is dealing with.
Speaker 15: Value.
Speaker 14: Oh, well, I can tell you this just going back
Speaker 14: to Parkinson's for a little bit. So to give you
Speaker 14: some answers here. Has the President being treated for Parkinson's?
Speaker 11: No?
Speaker 14: Is he being treated for Parkinson's, No he's not. Is
Speaker 14: he taking medication for Parkinson's No. So those are the
Speaker 14: things that I can give you full blown answers on,
Speaker 14: but I'm not going to do. I'm not going to
Speaker 14: confirm a specialist. Any specialist that comes to come comes
Speaker 14: to the White House out.
Speaker 16: Of private You've noted that there are thousands within the
Speaker 16: Walter Reeds system, maybe treated by a specialist who visits
Speaker 16: here at the White House. But this neurologist had a
Speaker 16: meeting with the president's physition with his doctor. You're refusing
Speaker 16: to say if he was here to evaluate the president
Speaker 16: or he was consulting on the president's health.
Speaker 2: So what then was that meeting about.
Speaker 14: And I will say that doctor O'Connor leads the medical unit.
Speaker 14: He's literally, he's literally the he leads the medical unit. Oh,
Speaker 14: because we will not confirm or speak to names that
Speaker 14: are you're providing to me it is out of security.
Speaker 14: Reason is out of protecting someone's.
Speaker 3: Privacy, security and privacy.
Speaker 1: And she very strongly suggests that it wasn't about Biden,
Speaker 1: because well, he heads the White House Medical Union, so
Speaker 1: it could be about anything. Then she comes back this
Speaker 1: time is when she tells the outright lie that that
Speaker 1: meeting had nothing to do with the president's health. Let's
Speaker 1: take a listen to how that went.
Speaker 4: And you can correct me if I own.
Speaker 17: But it didn't seem to explicitly described in the nature
Speaker 17: of doctor Cunard's meeting with doctor O'Connor. So can you
Speaker 17: say whether that one meeting is related to care for
Speaker 17: the president himself?
Speaker 2: I can say that it was not.
Speaker 11: It was not great.
Speaker 17: And I was asked why that information that was released
Speaker 17: last night just wasn't said at the briefing, Asterda.
Speaker 14: Well, no, actually a lot of what is in the
Speaker 14: letter was said at the briefing.
Speaker 2: To be very very clear, I.
Speaker 14: Said, many of the things that were laid out in
Speaker 14: the letter was actually repeated right here behind this lectern,
Speaker 14: at this post yesterday.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 2: It was that hold on. I said many of the things,
Speaker 2: many of the things, and.
Speaker 14: We got claric clarification obviously from doctor O'Connor. But it
Speaker 14: was in line with what I said when I said
Speaker 14: only three right, I said, only three visits that this
Speaker 14: particular doctor had, I said a neurologist. What I was
Speaker 14: not able to confirm is the name. And the reason
Speaker 14: why is because we do not share a private information.
Speaker 14: That is something that we respect, uh, and we wanted
Speaker 14: to make sure that we protected our consultants here that
Speaker 14: worked with the White House Medical Unit their security as well.
Speaker 1: Gaslighting here just on every level is incredible. So that's
Speaker 1: where she tells the direct lie that's had nothing to
Speaker 1: do with the president. Then they have to come back
Speaker 1: and well it actually was about the parting did meet
Speaker 1: with the president. But also when she is like all
Speaker 1: this information was in the pross briefing, no, no, it
Speaker 1: was not, lady. And still with this privacy and security concerns,
Speaker 1: if you were trying to put to bad the idea
Speaker 1: that president could have Parkinson's, which I think is very
Speaker 1: much a live and ongoing question, you're repeatedly getting caught
Speaker 1: in multiple lives by the press Corps is not going.
Speaker 3: To help out.
Speaker 2: Going to say, I've covered politics long enough to know this.
Speaker 2: When you get caught lining three times in one week,
Speaker 2: there's smoke there, Okay, fire, It's not only present, it
Speaker 2: is raging, and it is everywhere. So I want to know.
Speaker 2: I mean, there are four people in that meeting, Three
Speaker 2: of them had been confirmed. Now we know that the
Speaker 2: fourth person is the President of the United States. Why
Speaker 2: was he meeting with the president of the United States?
Speaker 2: They claim is for a routine physical? Well, then why
Speaker 2: wasn't he president of the twenty twenty one in the
Speaker 2: twenty twenty two routine physical? Why did you bring him
Speaker 2: in in twenty twenty three, which just happens to coincide
Speaker 2: with his even more rapid deterioration on the public stage.
Speaker 2: You don't need to be a genius to figure all
Speaker 2: of this stuff out, and to also know about the
Speaker 2: way that a cover up is happening. You know, I've
Speaker 2: been telling you a little bit about this, but everybody
Speaker 2: I'm asking who is an actual doctor, is very freaked
Speaker 2: out by the setup right now under Biden, And if
Speaker 2: this were Trump, you would hear a lot more about this. Yeah,
Speaker 2: this doctor is a family friend who tried to go
Speaker 2: into business with the president's brother. So, first of all,
Speaker 2: I don't be a damn word that you were saying. Second,
Speaker 2: and I don't want to piss too many doctors off.
Speaker 2: He's a d O only eleven percent. I think of
Speaker 2: board certified physicians are DEOSS, like doctor of Osteopathic Medicine
Speaker 2: or whatever. All I'm saying is I was raised enough
Speaker 2: around Indian mds to be a little suss. Whenever you
Speaker 2: hear a DOO and a family friend, You're like, what's
Speaker 2: going on here? What kind of doc is this guy?
Speaker 2: He's a fan. Look again, he is board certified, So
Speaker 2: I'm not calling the credentials. I'm only saying there's variance
Speaker 2: within the industry. I'll put it kindly that way. So
Speaker 2: what do we know too here about this doc? He's
Speaker 2: not some career Navy admiral or any of these other
Speaker 2: people's been relatively impartial. He's got a lot riding here,
Speaker 2: He's got his career on the line. Why he has
Speaker 2: every incentive in the world. And that's the other thing
Speaker 2: about cover ups, as we all know about the corrupt
Speaker 2: medical industry, you don't just outright say, oh, yes, Parkinson's,
Speaker 2: we got to cover up Parkinson's. If he never diagnosed Parkinson's,
Speaker 2: he never had Parkinson's. That's what I think we're all watching,
Speaker 2: you know, right now behind the scenes. But this is
Speaker 2: what I hope that the presscorp really gets him on,
Speaker 2: because if we can get Biden on the record about
Speaker 2: Parkinson's and is later revealed that he lied about it,
Speaker 2: that's it. We can impeach him for that. I mean,
Speaker 2: that's it. You have to go. That's a twenty fifth
Speaker 2: Amendment or an actual impeachable offense at that point, because
Speaker 2: it has to do with your actual fitness for the office. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Well, the other lie that she recently was caught in
Speaker 1: was about whether Biden had had a medical exam after
Speaker 1: the debate, and she said no, unequivdly no, and then
Speaker 1: Biden himself, I think, in the Stephanopolis interview, was like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I had a check up, and so she had to
Speaker 1: come back then and say, well, actually he had a
Speaker 1: verbal check in which I wasn't thinking of as a
Speaker 1: medical exam, so it's not a lie. And of course
Speaker 1: the press scorp was like, this is like, you're just
Speaker 1: lying to us. That was what triggered actually, Ed O'Keefe
Speaker 1: in that extraordinary exchange that we showed you where he
Speaker 1: was so angry and not just him Kelly O'Donnell, a
Speaker 1: bunch of other of the front row prestigious press people
Speaker 1: were so enraged and really going at Korean John Pierre
Speaker 1: was because they had just been lied about this Biden
Speaker 1: medical exam. So that's why the fact you had that lie.
Speaker 1: Now you have this lie that she's having to admit
Speaker 1: to and cop to. The knives are going to be
Speaker 1: out for Biden at this press conference because, as you said, Zager,
Speaker 1: not only have they been lied to so they do
Speaker 1: not have they have given this White House so much
Speaker 1: benefit of the doubt. It is preposterous the amount of
Speaker 1: cover they have provided to this White House over the
Speaker 1: number of years, going along with the cheap fake stuff,
Speaker 1: all of that that's gone. Okay, They feel lied to
Speaker 1: and they feel humiliated because they know that they got
Speaker 1: played on all of this and have been played on all.
Speaker 3: Of this for years.
Speaker 1: So that's part of what increases the risk for Biden
Speaker 1: at the big boy press conference today is because they've
Speaker 1: taken the gloves off, you're not going to get the
Speaker 1: kid handling that he would have gotten, you know, two
Speaker 1: weeks ago before the debate. That's not happening because they
Speaker 1: know they have been lied to. They've they've had to
Speaker 1: admit at the direct from the White House that they
Speaker 1: have lied to people multiple times in a single week.
Speaker 1: So that's also part of why this is so consequential.
Speaker 1: But also, you know, more to the point, there are
Speaker 1: some very serious questions here about what's actually going on
Speaker 1: with the president's health.
Speaker 3: And you know, I'm not a doctor.
Speaker 1: I can only you know, see what other experts are saying,
Speaker 1: look at the symptoms on you know, online, and look
Speaker 1: at Biden's performance. But the fact that there's been such
Speaker 1: a significant decline just in the most recent period tracks
Speaker 1: with there being something going on other than just old age.
Speaker 1: Because as I said before, you know, Bernie's still with it,
Speaker 1: Pelosi is still probably behind scenes, like ready to cut
Speaker 1: the cord on him and wielding power and saying the
Speaker 1: things she wants to say. You have other Maxine Waters
Speaker 1: right came out and was like, I'm still I'm older
Speaker 1: than he is and I'm still good. And she is
Speaker 1: still fiery like you, whatever you think of her, she
Speaker 1: is still firing with it. Trump is old as hell too,
Speaker 1: and he still seems, I mean, his little incoherent, but
Speaker 1: he's always been a little incoherent. His energy levels are
Speaker 1: certainly there. It's not just age. So some sort of
Speaker 1: diagnosis does make sense in that context that there's something
Speaker 1: specific happening with Joe Biden, and then you see the
Speaker 1: White House lying and spinning and getting caught over and over.
Speaker 1: It does not help put those questions to bed.
Speaker 2: No zero. I am very concerned about the state of
Speaker 2: the president today, like national security twenty fifth Amendment level
Speaker 2: concern today. Yeah, considering dragging this out is madness. And
Speaker 2: you know here we have a genuine scandal with his
Speaker 2: health where he won't even consent to a cognitive test.
Speaker 3: That's right.
Speaker 2: Remember that's right.
Speaker 3: If you're good, take one every day, if.
Speaker 1: You're good, to you with a neurological examiner will be
Speaker 1: from an independent expert, not your buddy, Yeah, exerts yes,
Speaker 1: and then that's the result, the results to the public.
Speaker 3: Right then okay, maybe we can talk.
Speaker 1: But that's the one thing he's been very clear and
Speaker 1: cogent on is his absolute refusal to have a neurological
Speaker 1: examination so that people could have some sort of sense
Speaker 1: of what's going.
Speaker 2: On in his ed. He's like, that would be weakness,
Speaker 2: that would be admitting that there's something there, And it's like, no, dude,
Speaker 2: when eighty five percent of people think that you're too old,
Speaker 2: like you have to prove it to them that you
Speaker 2: actually can run.
Speaker 3: Oh listen, we all know. If he could do it,
Speaker 3: he would do yeah. Right. If he could have done
Speaker 3: the two.
Speaker 1: Hour press conference right after and taken a bunch of
Speaker 1: questions from the present, all of those things, he would
Speaker 1: have done it. He would have taken the super Bowl
Speaker 1: interview if he could prove his line was always, you know,
Speaker 1: if you think I'm touill, just watch me. Okay, we've
Speaker 1: been watching, and you haven't been giving anyone any comfort whatsoever.
Speaker 1: Quite the contrary. So if he could do what needed
Speaker 1: to be done to put the doubters to bed, he
Speaker 1: would do it. The fact that he doesn't and won't
Speaker 1: tells you everything you really need to know.
Speaker 2: Yes, that's right. All right, let's shift gears a little
Speaker 2: bit to Donald Trump. We're still on deep watch here
Speaker 2: with what is going to happen with Donald Trump's vice
Speaker 2: presidential pick. Allegedly there were a couple of people who
Speaker 2: had made the shortlist, Doug Burgam, Marco Ruby, and jd Vance.
Speaker 2: Trump appeared on Brian kill Me's show to and Brian
Speaker 2: kill Me asked him about each of these and he
Speaker 2: actually kind of laid some of the things about each
Speaker 2: one and why they might be good. So let's take
Speaker 2: a listen on.
Speaker 7: Your vice president candidate. Word is that you will pick
Speaker 7: jd Vance because of his facial hair?
Speaker 2: Is that?
Speaker 15: Is that true?
Speaker 7: Facial hair number two? Doug Doug Burgham the thing that
Speaker 7: hurts Lincoln, right, He's a he's a handsome man. Doug
Speaker 7: Doug Burgham on abortion in North Dakota. He signed something
Speaker 7: legislature handed him. Does that hurt him?
Speaker 15: Well, it's a little bit of an issue. It's a
Speaker 15: pretty strong man, you know. I think Doug is great,
Speaker 15: but it is a strong he's taking a very strong
Speaker 15: stance or the state has I don't know if it's Doug,
Speaker 15: but the state has it's so it's an issue.
Speaker 7: And lastly, Mark Rubio, where Mark Rubio and being from Florida,
Speaker 7: would that stop you from from picking him.
Speaker 15: No, but it does make it more complicated. You know,
Speaker 15: you do that, and it makes it more complicated. There
Speaker 15: are people that don't have that complication. Now it's fairly
Speaker 15: easily fixed, but you have to do something with delegates
Speaker 15: or there has to be a resignation, you know, et cetera,
Speaker 15: et cetera. So it's not like picking some people where
Speaker 15: it's very easy where there is none of that Florida meeting.
Speaker 15: Two people can't be running on the same ticket. You
Speaker 15: actually can, but they take delegates, and taking delegates is
Speaker 15: a very risky thing to do.
Speaker 7: Right see you Milwaukee, mister President. Thanks so much for
Speaker 7: the quality time for audience, and thanks so much for
Speaker 7: the insight. Do you think you'll make your pick tomorrow,
Speaker 7: Vice President?
Speaker 15: No, not tomorrow. I'll make it close to the convention.
Speaker 15: I would love to do it the old you know,
Speaker 15: it used to be picked during the convention, bruh, And
Speaker 15: it made the convention frankly more interesting. The pick used
Speaker 15: to be during the convention. That's what I'd like to do.
Speaker 15: But it you know, with modern technology, if you can
Speaker 15: believe it, it's like everything else, And like voting used
Speaker 15: to be better with old paper ballots, I mean modern technologies.
Speaker 15: There's a lot of things, and it makes it easier
Speaker 15: if you pick before the convention. But I'd love to
Speaker 15: be the old fashioned way and during the convention.
Speaker 2: Okay, so let's go through some of the things that
Speaker 2: he said about Doug. What did he say? He started
Speaker 2: off with Jade Vance and space. This is a stupid
Speaker 2: article that came out in the Bulwark. I don't even
Speaker 2: know why Brian Kilmead is talking about that one. The
Speaker 2: second one is Doug Burgham. I actually think that was
Speaker 2: the most consequential thing that he said. And then the
Speaker 2: third about Rubio. He's talking about the residency requirement. But
Speaker 2: to actually go through some of like the pluses and
Speaker 2: the minuses, one of the things we're talking about before
Speaker 2: the show is I would not put it past Trump
Speaker 2: to actually take somebody out of those three. Now that
Speaker 2: the race has so fundamentally changed, in a world where
Speaker 2: New York and Virginia, Colorado, New Hampshire are on the ballot,
Speaker 2: pick Clen Younkin like I would pick a hyper moderate,
Speaker 2: you know, a blue state, red governor and run him
Speaker 2: who's friendly to the donors. Because now I'm going for broke.
Speaker 2: I'm going for three hundred and eighty electoral votes. I'm
Speaker 2: not going for a narrow victory against Joe Biden. I
Speaker 2: just think in this blowout scenario, things could change, and
Speaker 2: I do think his mind probably has shifted as a
Speaker 2: result of what has happened here. Now again, I don't
Speaker 2: know what each of these three, whether this three is
Speaker 2: even the final list. The campaign manager, Chris Lesovita, continues
Speaker 2: to poo poo any discussion of like this is the
Speaker 2: final list or that's not even true. So there's a
Speaker 2: lot of spinning going on. And the thing is too
Speaker 2: with Trump. I mean, he didn't make the Pence call
Speaker 2: until very very late in the game. So I actually
Speaker 2: believe him when I say it's going to be right
Speaker 2: up before the convention. I really do.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's junkin has been pretty popular in Virginia. I
Speaker 1: think tactically young Kin makes a lot of sense for him,
Speaker 1: because I do think he could potentially put Virginia in play.
Speaker 1: I also think that he is don't class loves him, right,
Speaker 1: Trump's raising a lot of money from Wall Street and
Speaker 1: whoever Youngkin is kind of he's sort of undefined nationally,
Speaker 1: so that's a good thing as well in terms of shaping.
Speaker 1: He's not going to overshadow Trump, that much is for sure.
Speaker 1: He doesn't have a super you know, charismatic profile any
Speaker 1: of that, and he has been somewhat of a moderate
Speaker 1: governor in Virginia, So I think tactically that makes a
Speaker 1: lot of sense. Is he going to reach outside of
Speaker 1: the ones that have been leaked to the press of
Speaker 1: the finalists?
Speaker 3: I have no idea.
Speaker 1: I do still stand by I think Trump will make
Speaker 1: what he at least perceives to be a tactical play,
Speaker 1: which is why I've always been I just have never
Speaker 1: understood the case for jd Vance because Ohio is a
Speaker 1: rod state. You're not bringing anything into play there. He's
Speaker 1: not from a demographic group like he's a white dude,
Speaker 1: you know.
Speaker 3: So if you.
Speaker 1: Believe the identity politics play of like we're going to
Speaker 1: have a Latino and then Latinos are going to vote
Speaker 1: for us, which I think is nonsense, But a lot
Speaker 1: of people believe he doesn't make sense from that perspective,
Speaker 1: I saw someone floating like, oh, well, he's young, so
Speaker 1: maybe young people have over which I can't even believe
Speaker 1: that they would think it's just so silly. So, you know, Trump,
Speaker 1: this is this is very consequential election. It really matters
Speaker 1: that he's able to pull it across the finish line.
Speaker 1: The landscape has suddenly gotten much less certain. They are
Speaker 1: hoping and praying to God that Joe Biden is still
Speaker 1: at the top of this literally because they know they
Speaker 1: will be able to wallop him come November. If it's
Speaker 1: a question mark who's at the top of the ticket,
Speaker 1: I mean, I think you could get someone in here
Speaker 1: that would be a lot more difficult for him to
Speaker 1: deal with. I think there could be a scenario where
Speaker 1: you have, you know, a candidate who feels like a
Speaker 1: new fresh face, and that people who were so disgusted,
Speaker 1: which this is another unifying sentiment, so it's such disgust
Speaker 1: that these are the two choices that were left with.
Speaker 1: Once again, I think you could really have a bump
Speaker 1: for that person if you, you know, made the right
Speaker 1: strategic choice. So he's in this sort of difficult position
Speaker 1: because he's having a pick a vice presidential candidate without
Speaker 1: really knowing what the landscape is. So that makes it
Speaker 1: even more important that you have a very tactical choice,
Speaker 1: because on the one hand, he could be looking at
Speaker 1: the you know, the historic landslide where he wins Virginia.
Speaker 1: On the other hand, he could be looking at a
Speaker 1: much more formidable candidate than he's facing now, in which place,
Speaker 1: you know, being having a vice president that more people
Speaker 1: feel comfortable with and that puts states in play that
Speaker 1: otherwise might not be in play, becomes more consequential.
Speaker 3: So I genuinely don't know. I have a I just
Speaker 3: have a.
Speaker 1: Gut feeling that he's throwing us a little bit off
Speaker 1: the trail with the people that have been leaked to
Speaker 1: the press, because you know, he's a showman. He loves
Speaker 1: a surprise. He wants it to come out of nowhere.
Speaker 1: He wants people to not be thinking. But I agree
Speaker 1: with you the Doug Burghm comments that I think is
Speaker 1: probably real. I think that he feels like the abortion
Speaker 1: thing with Doug Burgham that kind of ruled out christ
Speaker 1: you know him. I think he probably does feel like
Speaker 1: that's a genuine.
Speaker 2: Talk for him about that with Rubio, although he does
Speaker 2: tease it a little bit. So let's take a listen
Speaker 2: to that.
Speaker 3: When will you make an announcement? Maybe tonight.
Speaker 2: And if he's not chosen, will he be what did
Speaker 2: he play a role in your administration?
Speaker 15: Well, he certainly will. And he's a fantastic guy, and
Speaker 15: he's a friend of mine and he is one of
Speaker 15: the top people. And let's see how we do over
Speaker 15: the next week. But probably over the next week or so,
Speaker 15: maybe even at the convention.
Speaker 2: Well mark out come a long way, he said, maybe
Speaker 2: even at the convention. I'm taking in a look at that.
Speaker 2: Let's put this one up there please on the screen,
Speaker 2: and these are the predicted odds in the betting markets.
Speaker 2: This is all just based on public reporting. So you've
Speaker 2: got jd Vance, Doug Bergham, Marco Rubio, Ben Carson, Glenn
Speaker 2: Youngkin there, Tulsa, I don't know where the hell that's
Speaker 2: coming from, Tulsea Gabbard, Bavik Ramaswami, and Tim Scott. I
Speaker 2: would put Tim Scott way higher up on that list. YEA, yeah,
Speaker 2: I don't know. I'm feeling Glenn. Look, all of these
Speaker 2: I think are possibilities. A lot of it will come
Speaker 2: down to exactly the hole that he's trying to fill here.
Speaker 2: And like I said, the case for Vance that people
Speaker 2: are making to him is basically, look, this guy will
Speaker 2: run your administration. You can do whatever you want to do.
Speaker 2: The only reason I'm skeptical of that is Trump doesn't
Speaker 2: really care about governance. The other problem for JD is
Speaker 2: that there is a lot of donors hate him, especially
Speaker 2: over Ukraine. Let's put this up there on the screen
Speaker 2: from the Daily Beast. Trump donors on the brink of
Speaker 2: civil war over JD Vance for VP, and people like
Speaker 2: Rupert Murdoch and others are adamantly opposed, whereas Marco Rubio
Speaker 2: and Doug Bergham our boat. Rubio is beloved by the
Speaker 2: donor class. He's a tea party og, Paul Singer and
Speaker 2: the rest of him adore him. Burgham is both filthy
Speaker 2: rich in his own right, and he is genuinely friends
Speaker 2: with all of these donors. So that's to his benefit.
Speaker 2: JD doesn't have the same like donor based per se
Speaker 2: of the people who like him. He hates the wal
Speaker 2: I was at a speech last night that he gave.
Speaker 2: He was going after the Wall Street Journal editorial board,
Speaker 2: you know, So there's a lot of those financial people
Speaker 2: who really hate him.
Speaker 3: He's a he himself a financial person though.
Speaker 2: No, he's a venture capitalist. There's a big difference right
Speaker 2: between Wall Street and v see. I'm just saying, like
Speaker 2: I'm just I.
Speaker 1: Mean, it's it's definitely part of the financial industry.
Speaker 2: Okay, but he's not out there out of the corporate
Speaker 2: tax cuts. And there's a pretty big difference between the
Speaker 2: Wall Street Journal and a bil board is like, oh,
Speaker 2: actually a corporate tax rate should be zero. Right. One
Speaker 2: of the reasons they hate him the most is because
Speaker 2: he praised Lena Khan at this at at a convention,
Speaker 2: said she was the best member of the Biden ministry.
Speaker 2: I mean, as you know, that's unforgivable for a lot
Speaker 2: of these folks. So anyways, Wall Street people don't like him.
Speaker 2: Wall Street Journal people don't like him. The Wall Street
Speaker 2: Journals owner doesn't like him. So and then the Ukraine
Speaker 2: thing is a problem for a lot of the neo cons.
Speaker 1: Were what do you think about it? We were talking
Speaker 1: about this before. I think you view this a little
Speaker 1: different than me. But I feel like it's also a
Speaker 1: problem that there's all these clips of him on CNN
Speaker 1: and like saying negative things about Trump, So that a problem.
Speaker 1: And I know Trump really values loyalty and JD has
Speaker 1: gone out of his way to sort of display his.
Speaker 3: Loyalty in recent years.
Speaker 1: But someone who could really totally change on a dime
Speaker 1: like that, how much can you really put stock in
Speaker 1: their long term loyalty?
Speaker 2: He could to put it two ways. You could be well,
Speaker 2: I've got a lot on this guy because he's somebody
Speaker 2: who he's somebody who like he previously criticized me, so
Speaker 2: now you know I have that over him as a
Speaker 2: way to question his loyalty or whatever keep him in line.
Speaker 2: You could also put it the way that he said,
Speaker 2: I don't know. Look, I mean the Trump family, the
Speaker 2: Trump Junior and all those people. Trump Junior wants Trump
Speaker 2: to pick JD. Vance even today's tweeting out his clips.
Speaker 2: He keeps talking about he's the only America first candidate.
Speaker 2: So if he's forgiven him, I don't know. It's one
Speaker 2: of those with Trump where look, Rubio ran against him, right,
Speaker 2: Rubio said he was unacceptable. He's on the list Burgham
Speaker 2: was on our show running against him.
Speaker 1: So you know the now all three, what do you
Speaker 1: think about the Rubio I'm no skeptical of that one,
Speaker 1: because Rubio's also bought some really big moments.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, just in terms of Trump, thinking about the showman
Speaker 1: aspect and does he really you know, does he really
Speaker 1: show up when he needs to show up? Obviously had
Speaker 1: that infamous horrible State of the Union response, he was
Speaker 1: embarrassed by Trump and by Chris Christy during the Republican
Speaker 1: primary debates back in twenty sixteen. I mean, in the
Speaker 1: sense that's ancient history, but I do think that those
Speaker 1: impressions linger of like, oh, this is someone that when
Speaker 1: the chips are down, they don't really show up.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's right. I would Actually that's probably Rubio's biggest problem. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I mean the other thing is Trump. This would be
Speaker 2: a case for both JD and Bergham is that both
Speaker 2: of them are at least good enough on television who
Speaker 2: are defending him, at least with Bergham was not good
Speaker 2: on our show, but he's been done well enough on
Speaker 2: CNN and elsewhere going after Joe Biden, etc. So that
Speaker 2: could be the role. I really don't know what Trump
Speaker 2: wants in a VP, because last time around it was
Speaker 2: I just need these evangelicals and to solidify them. This time,
Speaker 2: the dynamics are different. I mean, basically, the evangelicals are
Speaker 2: all weeping and crying because they slightly softened the pro
Speaker 2: life language in the GOP in the RNC platform, and
Speaker 2: Trump is basically like each.
Speaker 3: Shit get over and the way.
Speaker 2: He's right, it should tell them that. So but this
Speaker 2: time it's like, what is the constituency? Like I said,
Speaker 2: are we going for the swing state voters? If we are,
Speaker 2: I'm going for Yunkin. Do we think that we're just
Speaker 2: gonna win no matter what? And so I'm going to
Speaker 2: think about governance. I would pick JD. Do I have
Speaker 2: money problems? Now I'm picking Doug Bergham. I mean I could,
Speaker 2: I could make the case for all four. Yeah, I
Speaker 2: really don't know where his mind is.
Speaker 15: Right.
Speaker 1: The JD governance thing again just doesn't make sense because
Speaker 1: you can he can be your chief of staff, you
Speaker 1: can run your you know whatever is like the critical
Speaker 1: agency for you.
Speaker 3: You don't have to have him on the ticket.
Speaker 1: So I just the electoral case unless you're just looking
Speaker 1: for someone who can be like a bulldog for you
Speaker 1: on cable news. But again, he'll do that whether he's
Speaker 1: on the ticket or not. So I don't know, But
Speaker 1: I also can't claim to understand the mindset. And I
Speaker 1: think it's possible Trump hasn't even fully decided because the
Speaker 1: landscape is so much influx right now that he's having
Speaker 1: to recalibrate. He may be running a totally different race
Speaker 1: than what he thought he was going to be running.
Speaker 2: Do we think it would be a fool not to
Speaker 2: because now it is not about Trump. It's not even
Speaker 2: really it's about inflation, but it's not really inflation. This
Speaker 2: is about this man is gonna die like tomorrow. You
Speaker 2: need to elect me to save us from this urgent crisis.
Speaker 2: Now Trump will benefit from the same phenomenon that Biden did,
Speaker 2: where people are not voting for Biden, they're voting against Trump, right,
Speaker 2: same thing.
Speaker 1: So now you get the phenomenee though that's right if
Speaker 1: Biden's nominee.
Speaker 2: I don't know you have it even with Kamla. I
Speaker 2: mean you could prosecute the case of like, what what
Speaker 2: does she know?
Speaker 3: I think she knows.
Speaker 1: I think he knows how to run against Kamala. I
Speaker 1: mean she's just she's been in the public eye enough.
Speaker 1: They thought enough about her. I'm sure they have APO
Speaker 1: on her. But she also will get to pick, you know,
Speaker 1: if it's compless, she'll get to pick a vice presidential
Speaker 1: you know, and Andy Bisheer or whoever to round out
Speaker 1: that ticket as well. So it makes the selection more
Speaker 1: difficult for him because he doesn't know who he's up against.
Speaker 1: He doesn't know, he doesn't have any special insight. He's reading,
Speaker 1: looking at all the things that we're looking at and
Speaker 1: trying to make his best guess as well. Earlier this
Speaker 1: week on Seohn Handity's show, he said, I think Biden's
Speaker 1: got too much ego to drop out. I think it
Speaker 1: may be him. Things have shifted since then, so is
Speaker 1: his assessment different today?
Speaker 3: We don't know.
Speaker 1: He's playing the same game in a lot of ways
Speaker 1: that we are, and having a pick a vice presidential
Speaker 1: ticket without knowing whether you're going to be going against
Speaker 1: us historically weak candidate or someone who may be more formidable,
Speaker 1: which does make those tactical concerns much more paramount because
Speaker 1: you've got to make a choice that is going to play,
Speaker 1: whether it's against Biden or Kamala or question mark candidate
Speaker 1: that's out there that way.
Speaker 2: What I would do if I were him is I
Speaker 2: would wait until the very very last possible moment, I
Speaker 2: would have definitely mendidates and I would wait, and if
Speaker 2: I were him, maybe I would even vote until the convention,
Speaker 2: because we'll probably know by that point whether Biden is
Speaker 2: going to.
Speaker 1: Be I think we're going to have a good sense.
Speaker 1: We'll have a much better by the end of day tomorrow, honestly.
Speaker 2: So if dropping, then okay, now we're changing things up
Speaker 2: a little bit. If Biden is staying, okay, now we're
Speaker 2: you know, we're like I said, we're going for broke,
Speaker 2: We're going for three hundred and eighty electoral votes. So
Speaker 2: I think that things could change still rapidly. And you know,
Speaker 2: even if you read his street, a lot of these
Speaker 2: VP picks they only come together at the last minute.
Speaker 2: The Sarah Palin thing, it wasn't final until like six
Speaker 2: days before, four days before, yeah, something like that. So
Speaker 2: you never know, things can change them.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and they also typically are not that consequential. Yeah, well,
Speaker 1: Kalen ended up being consequential. Biden in the arc of
Speaker 1: history ends up being consequential.
Speaker 3: Not so much.
Speaker 2: In terms of brock Caine one, I don't remember much
Speaker 2: about it. Yeah, I guess people didn't really care them.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, yeah, yeah, he's just sort of like a.
Speaker 3: Morphous dad on the ticket.
Speaker 1: Mike Pence was important, so it's not like it's it
Speaker 1: doesn't matter whatsoever.
Speaker 3: But in any case, we'll see where it goes.
Speaker 2: All right, everybody, we'll see. As we said, we'll have
Speaker 2: coverage later today, so stay tuned for that. Thank you
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