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Speaker 2: But enough with that, let's get to the show. Good morning, everybody,

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Speaker 2: Happy Thursday. We have an amazing show for everybody today.

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Speaker 2: What do we have, Crystal deed we do?

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Speaker 1: It is do or Die day for Biden as good

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Speaker 1: is Big Boy press conference this evening, which, by the way,

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Speaker 1: be bringing you whatever the hell happens. So that's going on. Meanwhile,

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Speaker 1: we wanted to bring you up to speed with everything

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Speaker 1: that's been happening here in Washington. Yesterday, Pelosi basically knife

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Speaker 1: Morning Joe Obama. Maybe behind the scenes moving against Biden.

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Speaker 1: We're reading the tea leaves on that big buzzy George

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Speaker 1: providing some new insights into Biden's decline. Pole's continuing to

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Speaker 1: look very dire. Apparently New York now a battleground state.

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Speaker 1: Great job, guys, way to go, so sounding the alarms there.

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Speaker 1: Also looking at the fact that there's going to be

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Speaker 1: much want him to move on.

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Speaker 3: So we'll look at all of that.

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Speaker 1: Meanwhile, Kareem Jeanpierre caught once again in another lie, and

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Speaker 1: So we're taking a look at that, giving our best,

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Speaker 1: you know, again reading the tea leaves of whatever we

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Speaker 2: Shift, we'll get into that. I think it's a very

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Speaker 2: I believe, as Christol said, we are going to be

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Speaker 2: doing coverage of the Biden quote unquote big boy press conference.

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Speaker 2: It is scheduled to start at five thirty pm Eastern.

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Speaker 2: Biden has never showed up to anything on his life,

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Speaker 2: even whenever he was coajins in with it, so just

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Speaker 1: We will see close to his bedtime, though I don't

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Speaker 2: Well, sell, Crystal, you know, if he shows up at

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Speaker 2: Court has been telling me they're almost starting one and

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Speaker 2: et cetera. Now, as Crystal said, yesterday was actually a

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Speaker 2: So Crystal, there's a lot that we can say about

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Speaker 2: in particular context of this, it's real conflict. Well no,

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Speaker 2: but he's a donor mouthpiece. Yes, So what's been happening

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Speaker 2: You know, Look, it's not easy to actually come out

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Speaker 1: moment as well, where it's possible as the week is

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Speaker 1: worn on and people really thought about that letter, it

435
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Speaker 1: has curdled like sour Milk.

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Speaker 2: I think you're right. I just think, man, there's so

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Speaker 2: much going on where today really is a big day.

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Speaker 2: We have the press conference. Yeah, but also today is Thursday,

439
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Speaker 2: so that means that tomorrow the Congress is all going

440
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Speaker 2: to be flying back home. So if there's ever anything

441
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Speaker 2: that's going to happen, it's going to be tonight and so.

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Speaker 2: And by the way, we actually had another congressman who

443
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Speaker 2: came on CNN this morning around five in the morning,

444
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Speaker 2: and he says, I'm getting closer and closer to appreciating

445
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Speaker 2: that as much as I respect Joe Biden, what he's done,

446
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Speaker 2: what George Clooney said yesterday was really powerful in that

447
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Speaker 2: he saved democracy in twenty twenty, but he's got to

448
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Speaker 2: do it again in twenty twenty four, and that he

449
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Speaker 2: basically opens the door to saying I think what I've

450
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Speaker 2: heard from the debate is that instead of saying, look,

451
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Speaker 2: you know, let me show you I can do this,

452
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Speaker 2: he's kind of just went at us. And I don't

453
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Speaker 2: think that that helped him. That letter did not help

454
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Speaker 2: him amongst colleagues. So admitting there that the forceful Trumpian

455
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Speaker 2: strategy of you know, watch me, just watch me and

456
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Speaker 2: it's like, dude, it's been two weeks to the day.

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Speaker 3: We've been watching.

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Speaker 2: That's helps you. It's been two weeks to the day,

459
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Speaker 2: fourteen days since his his debate performance. His first press

460
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Speaker 2: conference is today, fourteen days to set up a press conference,

461
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Speaker 2: and you've been doing these BS scripted events off of

462
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Speaker 2: a teleprompter. The only questions you're taking are from freaking donors.

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Speaker 3: And you send questions to the radio.

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Speaker 1: Hosode for the only reporters reading off notes, you'll report.

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Speaker 2: You're taking questions from the people who you gave the

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Speaker 2: questions to. Yeah, this is madness.

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Speaker 3: And then the call in to Morning Joe.

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Speaker 1: I mean that was really the big offense of this

469
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Speaker 1: this week was like I'm going to do.

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Speaker 3: This call in.

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Speaker 1: I'm going to sound really forceful, which, of course you

472
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Speaker 1: can have aids standing behind beside you.

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Speaker 3: He admits he's reading off his notes at.

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Speaker 2: Week's speakerphone with is it.

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Speaker 3: Still in coherence?

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Speaker 1: Still like wildly in go here, But this is the

477
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Speaker 1: best you're going to get. Apparently puts on that letter,

478
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Speaker 1: tries to assert, you know, meets with the CBC, starts

479
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Speaker 1: calling people, trying to wrangle everybody in by the way,

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Speaker 1: I also saw they're already starting to put in calls

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Speaker 1: to delegates because they're worried about a delegate coup at

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Speaker 1: the convention.

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Speaker 3: As well.

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Speaker 1: There's this what is it conscience clause that technically means

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Speaker 1: that they don't have to vote for Joe Biden even

486
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Speaker 1: though they're Joe Biden delegate.

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Speaker 3: So they're starting to get worried about that.

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Speaker 1: So it shows you though that all of those efforts

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Speaker 1: at the beginning of the week, which again there were

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Speaker 1: a couple of days there when I was like, I

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Speaker 1: think this might have worked. People might just speak too

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Speaker 1: cowardly and just shut up, and he may just grind

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Speaker 1: it out. It's looking a lot more tenuous today, and

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Speaker 1: that's why.

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Speaker 3: That press conference. There was one report.

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Speaker 1: From what's his name, Edward Isaac Dovier that a lot

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Speaker 1: of Democrats are actually hoping that he faced plans at

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Speaker 1: the press conference because it will make their decision easier

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Speaker 1: to come out publicly.

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Speaker 2: That's a good segue, So let's go to the next part.

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Speaker 2: Let's put this up there please on the screen. Today,

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Speaker 2: as I said, the Senate Democrats actually have summoned or

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Speaker 2: they tried to get I think a meeting with Biden,

504
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Speaker 2: and all they got were Biden advisors Mike Donaldan, Steve Verschetti,

505
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Speaker 2: and then the campaign chair, Jen O'Malley Dylan. That will

506
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Speaker 2: be at a meeting that will take place sometime today

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Speaker 2: before the press conference, but all eyes are going to

508
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Speaker 2: be on that press conference. It is right after the

509
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Speaker 2: NATO summit officially concludes. Now, there's a couple of ways

510
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Speaker 2: that this can go down. First and foremost, as I've said,

511
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Speaker 2: is that the Biden Whitehouse has had a very concerted

512
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Speaker 2: strategy in the past, and all white Houses do this,

513
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Speaker 2: but they do it to like the tenth degree, where

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Speaker 2: all questions at the White House are basically pre screened,

515
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Speaker 2: not the questions themselves, but who is going to ask

516
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Speaker 2: the question, so that the president will have a list.

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Speaker 2: The way it works is that you send your request

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Speaker 2: in to KJP and you're like, hey, I want to

519
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Speaker 2: ask a question, and they're like, oh, yeah, well what

520
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Speaker 2: do you want to ask about? And you'll be like, look,

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Speaker 2: you know I'm not going to tell you that. You

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Speaker 2: know me, We've worked together for a couple of years,

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Speaker 2: so call on me or don't. And then basically an

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Speaker 2: hour or so before they let you know, but it's

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Speaker 2: always in a way of I'm doing you a favor.

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Speaker 2: Now from the people I've spoken to previously, they are

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Speaker 2: able to play people off of each other. So they

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Speaker 2: go and they select the most friendly reporters in the

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Speaker 2: press corps or the ones who they think are going

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Speaker 2: to soften what will eventually be a tough question. This time, though,

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Speaker 2: it's a big problem because the press corps is broken,

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Speaker 2: as they have been lied to now in the span

533
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Speaker 2: of just two weeks. They're pissed off because, let's be honest,

534
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Speaker 2: they look foolish because they've been covering this man for

535
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Speaker 2: three years and they are exposed as live. So this

536
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Speaker 2: time their ability to play people off is going to

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Speaker 2: be much more diminished than it was previously. But the

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Speaker 2: White House is still setting this up as some sort

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Speaker 2: of set piece of vent. They're calling it the quote

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Speaker 2: big boy press conference. Quite literally, let's take a listen.

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Speaker 7: After that, the president will hold a press conference, I

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Speaker 7: guess a big boy press conference.

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Speaker 3: We're calling it, and take some questions from me only.

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Speaker 2: Yes, big boy press conference. They repeated that twice in

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Speaker 2: the briefing room.

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Speaker 8: Yes.

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Speaker 2: In screen, John Pierre also called it big Here's the

548
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Speaker 2: thing if it's going to be a real press conference

549
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Speaker 2: the way that they should be. So I'll give you example.

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Speaker 2: So back in the day under Trump, under actually going

551
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Speaker 2: all the way back to President Eisenhower, there was no

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Speaker 2: pre screening process. It was just people would come in

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Speaker 2: and there would be a room of two hundred people

554
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Speaker 2: and he would just sit up there and be like you,

555
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Speaker 2: let's go, and they would go for two hours. I'm

556
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Speaker 2: talking about a real back and forth, the type con

557
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Speaker 2: troll stuff. Whenever they have something that they want don't

558
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Speaker 2: want to talk about. They're going to encourage the president

559
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Speaker 2: not to do that, I think, but they're going to

560
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Speaker 2: struggle with the optics. So my prediction is they're going

561
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Speaker 2: to do maybe four or five. Biden is going to ramble,

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Speaker 2: and he'll try and draw the time out as long

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Speaker 2: as possible so you can say, look, he just took

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Speaker 2: one hours worth of questions, Like okay, if you take

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Speaker 2: twenty minutes to answer five questions, yeah, that's not possible.

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Speaker 2: My hope is that the press corps is so broken,

567
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Speaker 2: so humiliated, that they're going to shout him down the

568
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Speaker 2: way that they shout it down. Kareem, Jean Pierre and

569
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Speaker 2: be like, did you or did you not have a

570
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Speaker 2: diagnosistance of Parkinston's disease? Did you or did you not?

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Speaker 2: You know? Actual? Or do you have true confidence you

572
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Speaker 2: can do the job as commander in chief? Are you

573
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Speaker 2: fully with it? What have conversations with your family been

574
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Speaker 2: like this? What about pressure from the donor class hammering

575
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Speaker 2: him on his ability to do the job. I would

576
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Speaker 2: hope that that is going to happen. I don't have

577
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Speaker 2: one hundred percent confidence, but I do believe that so

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Speaker 2: many of them have been humiliated. Yeah, and watching you know,

579
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Speaker 2: Chuck Todd and others turn on him. Have you seen

580
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Speaker 2: this recently? Yeah, Chuck Todd is like, well, three years

581
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Speaker 2: ago a Democratic senator told me there's no way you

582
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Speaker 2: can be president again. I'm like, bro, why didn't you

583
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Speaker 2: tell us that? That seems pretty relevant?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you think it was actually was a secretary, cabinet

585
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Speaker 1: secretary set.

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Speaker 2: Right, And it's like, that's even worse.

587
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Speaker 3: Right, And it is.

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Speaker 1: I mean, it is really something to now see all

589
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Speaker 1: of these anecdotes coming out and it's like, oh, now

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Speaker 1: you tell us right, two minutes ago you were saying

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Speaker 1: that these videos of him were cheap fakes and that

592
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Speaker 1: we were all, you know, right wing ops for even

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Speaker 1: mentioning his age, And I just I keep thinking too

594
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Speaker 1: about you know, we did those word clouds. Of course,

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Speaker 1: how people feel what the first word is that comes

596
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Speaker 1: to their mind on Trump and Biden and Trump, it

597
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Speaker 1: was there were a bunch of different things. Criminal was

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Speaker 1: the number one, but he was. There were a bunch

599
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Speaker 1: of different things with Joe Biden. Whether you were a Democrat,

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Speaker 1: especially if you were an independent or a Republican, then

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Speaker 1: number one thing was old.

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Speaker 3: And the other thing that I've been thinking about.

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Speaker 1: Too is like, listen, Nancy Pelosi doesn't have it as

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Speaker 1: much on the ball as she used to, but actually,

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Speaker 1: when I'm listening to Bernie Sanders, I'm like, this is

606
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Speaker 1: exactly the same. It really isn't just age, Like age

607
00:28:03,440 --> 00:28:06,040
Speaker 1: is obviously contributing fact or anyone who was aging parents,

608
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Speaker 1: grandparents or whatever. You've seen this, but there are other

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Speaker 1: things going on with Joe Biden. We'll talk more about

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Speaker 1: that in the health block. But it's not just about

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Speaker 1: the number. There has been a marked decline even over

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Speaker 1: just the past few months. If you go back I

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Speaker 1: heard someone talking about like even if you just go

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Speaker 1: back and watch remember the Brandon the dark Brandon.

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Speaker 3: Speech with the red background and whatever.

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Speaker 5: I mean.

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Speaker 1: It wasn't great, but it was a hell of a

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Speaker 1: lot better than what he could do today. Certainly if

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Speaker 1: you go back to the twenty twenty campaign, and this

620
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Speaker 1: was at a time when we already were saying, hey,

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Speaker 1: this guy sometimes is really on to lunch and having

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Speaker 1: trouble finishing a thought. Even then you look and it

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Speaker 1: is just a dramatic difference. You had a member of

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Speaker 1: Congress who leaked, you know, didn't say this publicly, but

625
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Speaker 1: leaked anonymously that they do like an issues conference. They

626
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Speaker 1: did this in February and typically it's kind of freewheeling

627
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Speaker 1: with the president involved in you know, with the caucuses,

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Speaker 1: behind closed doors, not a public event, and they said

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Speaker 1: it was prescripted, like rather than people just being able

630
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Speaker 1: to ask what they want to ask, you had people

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Speaker 1: reading prescripted questions off of note cards.

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Speaker 3: And they have noticed the way he's been more and

633
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Speaker 3: more tightly controlled.

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Speaker 1: So you, as you mentioned, you've got the Senate Dems

635
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Speaker 1: who are meeting with Donolan and Raschetti. These are two

636
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Speaker 1: long time Biden aids. I'm talking decades long, and these

637
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Speaker 1: are the men who, in all likelihood are probably running

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Speaker 1: the country right now, and they are the ones who

639
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Speaker 1: have come up with this strategy to just dig in

640
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Speaker 1: and bully and hold on for dear life because they

641
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Speaker 1: like running the country, they like having this power. And

642
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Speaker 1: if Joe Biden isn't in, neither are they.

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Speaker 3: This is their guy.

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Speaker 1: And so they are in a lot of ways just

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Speaker 1: as important, certainly as powerful as the President of the

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Speaker 1: United States right now, even though not a single voter,

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Speaker 1: probably very few know who they are, and certainly no

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Speaker 1: one voted for them to be in those positions.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, so look, everybody, as we said, we will provide

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Speaker 2: coverage later today, we'll see how the press conference goes,

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Speaker 2: very very hotly anticipated. And this is it. This is

652
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Speaker 2: actually this is probably the biggest moment of his life, right.

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Speaker 2: I mean, this is arguably bigger than the debate. Because

654
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Speaker 2: of the debate. I wouldn't say it was the total

655
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Speaker 2: nail in the coffin, but I guess we got halfway there.

656
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Speaker 2: I mean, it's up to him. His fate is completely

657
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Speaker 2: in his hands, and.

658
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Speaker 1: The knives are out for him now. He's not going

659
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Speaker 1: to get any kind of grace. I mean, going in

660
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Speaker 1: to the debate. The media would have given him some

661
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Speaker 1: grace if there were a few bobbles, but it was

662
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Speaker 1: so bad that it was undeniable.

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Speaker 3: I mean.

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Speaker 1: To make a prediction, I just don't think he has

665
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Speaker 1: it in him to get through this performance the.

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Speaker 3: Way he would need to, yeah, to alleviate.

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Speaker 1: Concerns, because at this point it's not enough to bumble

668
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Speaker 1: through the way that he has in the past. He

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Speaker 1: has to actually impress right. And even then, to be

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Speaker 1: honest with you, I think the snowball has already started.

671
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Speaker 1: But the Morning Joe appearance with his notes, with his

672
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Speaker 1: aids on a call in, so he's not doesn't have

673
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Speaker 1: to worry about his face and the way he looks

674
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Speaker 1: and all of those things. Even then, he's totally incoherence.

675
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Speaker 1: The sentences make no sense. They start and they end

676
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Speaker 1: in this totally different place, or they just sort of

677
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Speaker 1: trail off into nothingness. I think that's the best he's

678
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Speaker 1: got at this point. So it would not surprise me

679
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Speaker 1: if today could be could be the actual nail in

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Speaker 1: the gold.

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Speaker 2: There is no evidence that he can feel questions with

682
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Speaker 2: any confidence. We know this from Morning Joe. We know

683
00:31:40,640 --> 00:31:42,440
Speaker 2: this from the fact that he's denied the Super Bowl

684
00:31:42,520 --> 00:31:44,720
Speaker 2: interviews two years in a row, that he's done less

685
00:31:44,720 --> 00:31:48,280
Speaker 2: press conferences than any president in modern American history. The

686
00:31:48,320 --> 00:31:51,840
Speaker 2: only reason he appears cogent and coherent off the teleprompters

687
00:31:51,880 --> 00:31:54,360
Speaker 2: because it's freaking script right, So he is.

688
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Speaker 1: A teleprompter in donor meetings for six minute comments.

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Speaker 2: He falls apart under the debate, you know, with Trump

690
00:32:00,600 --> 00:32:02,560
Speaker 2: now this time around too. Like I said, the press

691
00:32:02,640 --> 00:32:04,080
Speaker 2: is not gonna cut you when he's slack. If you

692
00:32:04,160 --> 00:32:05,920
Speaker 2: start going off in a tangent, they're gonna be like,

693
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Speaker 2: what was that, mister president? Can you not answer a question?

694
00:32:08,880 --> 00:32:12,520
Speaker 2: Mister president? So under that type of pressure and scrutiny,

695
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Speaker 2: he's gonna get what do old people do? They get ornery,

696
00:32:15,280 --> 00:32:18,280
Speaker 2: They're gonna lose his train of thought. He's gonna get frustrated,

697
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Speaker 2: he's gonna get mad. He's gonna face real pressure for

698
00:32:21,240 --> 00:32:23,680
Speaker 2: the you know, really the first time I think under

699
00:32:23,760 --> 00:32:26,080
Speaker 2: this press corps and uh, look, I think it goes

700
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Speaker 2: one of two ways. But I think you're right in

701
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Speaker 2: that I actually don't have confidence that he has the

702
00:32:30,200 --> 00:32:33,160
Speaker 2: ability left in him at all to deliver the quarter

703
00:32:32,920 --> 00:32:35,520
Speaker 2: for the strength. And I mean if he does it,

704
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Speaker 2: you know, maybe one of the great coups of his life.

705
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Speaker 2: But even if he does what you and I both know,

706
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Speaker 2: can this man serve four and a half more years now?

707
00:32:43,800 --> 00:32:44,360
Speaker 2: Office answer?

708
00:32:44,920 --> 00:32:46,600
Speaker 3: Obvious? No, obvious?

709
00:32:46,760 --> 00:32:50,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, can he do this tomorrow? Let alone four freaking

710
00:32:50,240 --> 00:32:53,600
Speaker 2: years from now? Eighty six years old? And like you said, too, look,

711
00:32:53,720 --> 00:32:55,640
Speaker 2: it's not just about age, But what is the thing

712
00:32:55,640 --> 00:32:57,960
Speaker 2: about age? It's about risk. It's at the risk of

713
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Speaker 2: this type of stuff going on. It goes from one

714
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Speaker 2: in you know, one in one hundred thousand to like

715
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Speaker 2: one in what fifty or something, and perhaps with the

716
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Speaker 2: stress and all the you know, all the factors, his

717
00:33:08,680 --> 00:33:11,880
Speaker 2: lifestyle and everything, that he just happens to be, like,

718
00:33:12,240 --> 00:33:14,440
Speaker 2: you know, the perfect patient for something like this to

719
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Speaker 2: happen to.

720
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Speaker 1: I mean, I also think the Parkinson's concern, yeah, I

721
00:33:17,440 --> 00:33:20,680
Speaker 1: think is real, are very legitimate, very legitimate. And as

722
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Speaker 1: I've said before, if you had the same set of

723
00:33:22,800 --> 00:33:26,160
Speaker 1: facts with Donald Trump, the symptoms experts coming out and saying, look,

724
00:33:26,160 --> 00:33:28,800
Speaker 1: it looks like this guy has Parkinson's, the visits from

725
00:33:28,880 --> 00:33:31,600
Speaker 1: the Parkinson's experts, the cover up and the lies from

726
00:33:31,680 --> 00:33:33,960
Speaker 1: the White House, the fact that they won't answer a

727
00:33:34,040 --> 00:33:37,640
Speaker 1: question straight all of those and that his personal physician is, like,

728
00:33:37,840 --> 00:33:40,200
Speaker 1: you know, a family friend and obviously is going to

729
00:33:40,280 --> 00:33:41,680
Speaker 1: just say whatever he needs to say.

730
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Speaker 3: That the family wants him to say.

731
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Speaker 1: You put all those things together, and I think people

732
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Speaker 1: should have a lot of questions about what is going

733
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Speaker 1: on there. So we will see what happens tonight. Got

734
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Speaker 1: to be interesting, guys, it'll be fun.

735
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Speaker 3: All right, Let's move on to the other.

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Speaker 1: This was also almost as consequential potentially as Nancy Pelosi

737
00:34:01,040 --> 00:34:03,720
Speaker 1: George Clooney publishing an op ed in The New York

738
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Speaker 1: Times saying Biden should go. And of note, the reason

739
00:34:08,920 --> 00:34:13,200
Speaker 1: we label this block Obama is because Clooney is a

740
00:34:13,480 --> 00:34:19,160
Speaker 1: very close by Obama friend, and we've just learned this morning,

741
00:34:19,200 --> 00:34:23,320
Speaker 1: actually called Obama before putting out this op ed. Reportedly

742
00:34:23,400 --> 00:34:27,319
Speaker 1: Obama did not encourage him, but also didn't discourage him.

743
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Speaker 1: Especially noteworthy given some of the lines and the piece.

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Speaker 1: Let's put the first one up on the screen. Here,

745
00:34:33,280 --> 00:34:35,600
Speaker 1: here's the headline, George Clooney, I love Joe Biden, but

746
00:34:35,640 --> 00:34:38,560
Speaker 1: we need a new nominee. Put this pull quote up

747
00:34:38,600 --> 00:34:40,879
Speaker 1: on the screen. He says, is it fair to point

748
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Speaker 1: these things out?

749
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Speaker 3: It has to be.

750
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Speaker 1: This is about age, nothing more, but also nothing that

751
00:34:45,239 --> 00:34:48,759
Speaker 1: can be reversed. We are not going to win in

752
00:34:48,840 --> 00:34:52,319
Speaker 1: November with this president very unequivocal. On top of that,

753
00:34:52,760 --> 00:34:55,399
Speaker 1: we won't win the House, and we're going to lose

754
00:34:55,400 --> 00:34:58,600
Speaker 1: the Senate. This isn't only my opinion. This is the

755
00:34:58,640 --> 00:35:03,759
Speaker 1: opinion of every Senator and congress member and governor who

756
00:35:03,800 --> 00:35:09,319
Speaker 1: I've spoken with in private, every single one, irrespective of

757
00:35:09,360 --> 00:35:12,680
Speaker 1: what he or she is saying publicly. You also have

758
00:35:12,760 --> 00:35:15,640
Speaker 1: to suspect that it was probably the assessment of the

759
00:35:15,680 --> 00:35:18,759
Speaker 1: former president that he spoke to as well before publishing

760
00:35:18,760 --> 00:35:22,000
Speaker 1: this piece, and you can rest assured that he read

761
00:35:22,000 --> 00:35:24,000
Speaker 1: to Obama exactly what he was going to say. Okay,

762
00:35:24,000 --> 00:35:27,399
Speaker 1: here's the other piece that is incredibly consequential. He says,

763
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Speaker 1: the one battle that Joe Biden cannot win is the

764
00:35:30,360 --> 00:35:34,840
Speaker 1: fight against time. None of us can. It's devastating to

765
00:35:34,840 --> 00:35:37,040
Speaker 1: say it, but the Joe Biden is with three weeks

766
00:35:37,080 --> 00:35:41,040
Speaker 1: ago at the fundraiser was not the Joe big effing

767
00:35:41,120 --> 00:35:44,200
Speaker 1: deal Biden of twenty twenty twenty ten. Rather, he wasn't

768
00:35:44,239 --> 00:35:47,640
Speaker 1: even the Joe Biden of twenty twenty. He was the

769
00:35:47,680 --> 00:35:52,480
Speaker 1: same man we all witnessed at the debate, and Sager

770
00:35:52,680 --> 00:35:55,600
Speaker 1: others have come out now and said and agreed with

771
00:35:55,680 --> 00:35:59,919
Speaker 1: that assessment that at that you know, star studded Hollywood

772
00:36:00,200 --> 00:36:05,040
Speaker 1: fundraiser that Jimmy Kimmel hosted and Obama was there and

773
00:36:05,120 --> 00:36:07,440
Speaker 1: George Clooney was there, and Julia Roberts and all these

774
00:36:07,440 --> 00:36:11,640
Speaker 1: other people that he looked and sounded exactly as he

775
00:36:11,680 --> 00:36:14,880
Speaker 1: looked and sounded at the debate. In other words, that

776
00:36:15,000 --> 00:36:18,000
Speaker 1: was not a quote unquote bad night as the Biden

777
00:36:18,040 --> 00:36:21,080
Speaker 1: people want to spin it. It is typical of his

778
00:36:21,120 --> 00:36:21,879
Speaker 1: condition at this point.

779
00:36:21,880 --> 00:36:24,120
Speaker 2: I'm furious about this for a variety of reasons because

780
00:36:24,120 --> 00:36:26,400
Speaker 2: if you saw it, dude, you raised thirty million dollars

781
00:36:26,400 --> 00:36:28,480
Speaker 2: for it, and he didn't say anything until after the debate.

782
00:36:28,520 --> 00:36:30,719
Speaker 2: It's like, okay, I guess you know, thanks for coming

783
00:36:30,760 --> 00:36:32,399
Speaker 2: out now. But I'm actually more furious at the White

784
00:36:32,440 --> 00:36:35,360
Speaker 2: House because what lectures did we receive? Those are cheap fakes,

785
00:36:35,360 --> 00:36:37,560
Speaker 2: And we're going to show you the video of Obama

786
00:36:37,640 --> 00:36:39,920
Speaker 2: leaving him off the stage. How dare you suggest that

787
00:36:39,960 --> 00:36:42,640
Speaker 2: he's not with it? And now we have the central

788
00:36:42,800 --> 00:36:46,040
Speaker 2: organizer of the fundraisers saying, God, he's gone.

789
00:36:45,960 --> 00:36:48,719
Speaker 1: He put The Three Wilstager is speaking here of the

790
00:36:48,760 --> 00:36:54,200
Speaker 1: b three that shows there's Obama leading him off the stage.

791
00:36:54,160 --> 00:36:58,000
Speaker 2: And he's like stuck, you know, in Joe Rodan's words,

792
00:36:58,320 --> 00:37:01,520
Speaker 2: frozen up like Windows ninety five. I've locked up like

793
00:37:01,600 --> 00:37:05,120
Speaker 2: the blue screen of death. And Obama's like, here we go, Joe.

794
00:37:05,280 --> 00:37:09,120
Speaker 2: Now again, I don't want to be unkind, but how

795
00:37:09,200 --> 00:37:12,240
Speaker 2: many of us have an old person in our lives

796
00:37:12,280 --> 00:37:14,440
Speaker 2: who we have had to do something similar to? And

797
00:37:14,480 --> 00:37:16,880
Speaker 2: I think that's also why I trust the American people

798
00:37:17,160 --> 00:37:19,920
Speaker 2: more than the press corps and everybody else fool themselves,

799
00:37:19,920 --> 00:37:22,240
Speaker 2: is because we're all like, hey, I've seen it before.

800
00:37:22,320 --> 00:37:25,560
Speaker 2: It's sad, but you know, this guy's freaking president and

801
00:37:25,960 --> 00:37:29,000
Speaker 2: that behavior I recognize it. I recognize it just like

802
00:37:29,040 --> 00:37:32,000
Speaker 2: anybody else, you know, can deny my eyes and ears

803
00:37:32,080 --> 00:37:34,759
Speaker 2: for what I can see very clearly before you. But

804
00:37:35,160 --> 00:37:39,160
Speaker 2: the hilarious part is the response from the Biden campaign now,

805
00:37:39,640 --> 00:37:42,520
Speaker 2: where they're basically saying what they're calling George Clooney, like

806
00:37:42,560 --> 00:37:43,360
Speaker 2: sleepy George.

807
00:37:43,600 --> 00:37:44,799
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah.

808
00:37:45,320 --> 00:37:49,120
Speaker 1: So their insinuation is that actually Biden has much more

809
00:37:49,239 --> 00:37:52,600
Speaker 1: vigor and vitality than George Clooney, which.

810
00:37:52,440 --> 00:37:53,600
Speaker 3: To the point you've been making.

811
00:37:53,400 --> 00:37:56,240
Speaker 1: About how the press score is not buying this bullshit anymore.

812
00:37:56,480 --> 00:37:59,520
Speaker 1: Just take a listen to Jake Tapper's reaction. This is

813
00:37:59,600 --> 00:38:00,920
Speaker 1: b too, guys, go ahead and run it.

814
00:38:01,080 --> 00:38:04,520
Speaker 9: In response to those comments from George Clooney, Jake, a

815
00:38:04,560 --> 00:38:07,600
Speaker 9: campaign official who attended that Los Angeles fundraiser, tells me

816
00:38:07,640 --> 00:38:10,960
Speaker 9: that George Clooney left three hours before the president, So

817
00:38:11,160 --> 00:38:13,080
Speaker 9: clearly the gloves are off Jake.

818
00:38:14,000 --> 00:38:15,640
Speaker 10: But what does that mean that George Clooney left for

819
00:38:16,200 --> 00:38:17,240
Speaker 10: What's what's the point.

820
00:38:17,480 --> 00:38:20,320
Speaker 9: The point of that is to suggest that Biden's stamina

821
00:38:20,440 --> 00:38:22,799
Speaker 9: is better than Clooney's, and Clooney didn't have, you know,

822
00:38:22,880 --> 00:38:27,200
Speaker 9: eyes on the entire event. That's the response to the

823
00:38:27,200 --> 00:38:31,320
Speaker 9: Clooney out ed, Okay.

824
00:38:31,360 --> 00:38:34,600
Speaker 2: Sleepy, George only showed up for three or thought three

825
00:38:34,640 --> 00:38:36,240
Speaker 2: hours early and took a picture.

826
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Speaker 1: It's like, uh, they had better things to do. First of all, yeah,

827
00:38:39,560 --> 00:38:40,880
Speaker 1: probably boring ass event.

828
00:38:41,480 --> 00:38:44,719
Speaker 2: Second, he had a conversation with you that we know

829
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Speaker 2: that there's a picture of it quite literally of you

830
00:38:47,120 --> 00:38:49,520
Speaker 2: guys talking. I will say one of the other mega

831
00:38:49,520 --> 00:38:51,720
Speaker 2: donors at the event was like, actually he was totally

832
00:38:51,760 --> 00:38:54,960
Speaker 2: with it, you know. Whenever it's like, yeah, all right, sure,

833
00:38:57,080 --> 00:38:59,560
Speaker 2: I mean what we do know isn't this isn't Obama

834
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Speaker 2: conserted effort because we have multiple other people connected to

835
00:39:03,920 --> 00:39:06,440
Speaker 2: Barack Obama. Yeah, we're also now saying the same thing.

836
00:39:06,520 --> 00:39:10,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, so from the beginning, Okay, so you'll recall immediately

837
00:39:10,440 --> 00:39:13,040
Speaker 1: after the debate, Obama comes down and says like, oh,

838
00:39:13,080 --> 00:39:15,080
Speaker 1: we can all have a bad night. We haven't heard

839
00:39:15,239 --> 00:39:19,279
Speaker 1: a word from that man since that. And there has

840
00:39:19,320 --> 00:39:22,080
Speaker 1: always been this sort of schism between the Biden people

841
00:39:22,080 --> 00:39:24,680
Speaker 1: and the Obama people in this sense that like Biden's

842
00:39:24,680 --> 00:39:27,880
Speaker 1: got a chip on his shoulder about being condescended to

843
00:39:28,400 --> 00:39:32,320
Speaker 1: by the Obama intellectuals. So there's some history there that's

844
00:39:32,360 --> 00:39:37,160
Speaker 1: worth noting. But Clooney very closely Obama tied. We get

845
00:39:37,160 --> 00:39:40,520
Speaker 1: confirmation this morning that he ran this by Obama before.

846
00:39:40,760 --> 00:39:45,040
Speaker 1: And also remember Obama is the reason that Biden is

847
00:39:45,080 --> 00:39:47,920
Speaker 1: the present anyway, because he's the one who helped to

848
00:39:48,040 --> 00:39:50,880
Speaker 1: orchestrate behind the scenes Pete and all these people dropping

849
00:39:50,880 --> 00:39:54,080
Speaker 1: out so that Biden could ultimately defeat Bernie Sanders. So

850
00:39:54,239 --> 00:39:57,760
Speaker 1: He's continues to be an incredibly constant question, the obviously

851
00:39:57,960 --> 00:40:01,680
Speaker 1: very popular figure within the Democrat Party. So George Clooney

852
00:40:01,719 --> 00:40:06,759
Speaker 1: is a close associate David Axelrod, close friend, longtime strategist,

853
00:40:06,800 --> 00:40:10,280
Speaker 1: has been out for a while. Immediately after the debate

854
00:40:10,360 --> 00:40:12,600
Speaker 1: is basically saying we got to do something else. And

855
00:40:12,640 --> 00:40:16,120
Speaker 1: then famously at this point the Podsave Bros, who are

856
00:40:16,160 --> 00:40:19,680
Speaker 1: all Obama guys and still very connected in that world,

857
00:40:19,960 --> 00:40:22,880
Speaker 1: have been some of the most aggressive online pushers for

858
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Speaker 1: we got to do something else. Both Jon Favreau, who

859
00:40:26,600 --> 00:40:30,200
Speaker 1: is a Pod Save Bro, and David Axelrod joined CNN

860
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Speaker 1: to make this case recently.

861
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Speaker 3: Let's take a listen to that.

862
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Speaker 10: No, I think what's hurting Joe Biden right now is

863
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Speaker 10: not only the debate performance, but the response to the

864
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Speaker 10: debate performance, in that he has been unable to articulate

865
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Speaker 10: a coherent and compelling argument against Donald Trump, who I

866
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Speaker 10: believe represents an existential threat to our democracy, and the

867
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Speaker 10: debate did not. Voters had concerns about Joe biden Agent

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Speaker 10: fitness for the job long before the debate, an overwhelming

869
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Speaker 10: majority of voters did, and the debate amplified those concerns

870
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Speaker 10: in a way that was very visceral for voters to see.

871
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Speaker 10: And so it's like it really doesn't matter what I think.

872
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Speaker 10: But I hope that the Biden campaign and that President

873
00:41:15,560 --> 00:41:19,239
Speaker 10: Biden will just like listen to the voters, right and

874
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Speaker 10: the overwhelming majority of whom do not like Donald Trump,

875
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Speaker 10: do not think Donald Trump is honest. But I have

876
00:41:26,600 --> 00:41:29,200
Speaker 10: had concerns for a couple of years now that Joe

877
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Speaker 10: Biden is not fit for another four years because of

878
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Speaker 10: his age.

879
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Speaker 11: The President tried to close down this discussion at the

880
00:41:36,719 --> 00:41:39,560
Speaker 11: beginning of the week with his letter to the House,

881
00:41:39,600 --> 00:41:43,880
Speaker 11: and what she's saying, delicately and respectfully is no, really,

882
00:41:43,920 --> 00:41:46,960
Speaker 11: the discussion isn't over, and we still need to have

883
00:41:47,040 --> 00:41:51,000
Speaker 11: this discussion because she's hearing from members all over the country.

884
00:41:51,440 --> 00:41:55,120
Speaker 11: They all poll they all talk to their constituents, and

885
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Speaker 11: they're worried not just about the existential threat of Donald

886
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Speaker 11: Trump becoming president again, but also the effect that it's

887
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Speaker 11: going to have on all of their races.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so Oxlad talking there about Nancy Pelosi and why

889
00:42:07,640 --> 00:42:10,040
Speaker 1: she made the comments she made of being like, you know,

890
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Speaker 1: he needs to make this decision, even though he's already

891
00:42:12,640 --> 00:42:16,680
Speaker 1: claimed to make this decision. So them moving on Biden

892
00:42:17,000 --> 00:42:20,800
Speaker 1: very noteworthy again close Obama associates, and then this morning

893
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Speaker 1: our producer's flag this. We actually haven't listened to this yet,

894
00:42:23,760 --> 00:42:26,759
Speaker 1: so we'll listen to it live. But apparently on Morning Joe,

895
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Speaker 1: they are getting word from Democrats behind the scenes that

896
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Speaker 1: they believe Barack Obama is quietly working to orchestrate all

897
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Speaker 1: of this.

898
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Speaker 3: Let's take a listen to this.

899
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Speaker 8: We'll say one thing that we do have to underline

900
00:42:39,080 --> 00:42:43,520
Speaker 8: here just so viewers can follow what's going on behind

901
00:42:43,520 --> 00:42:46,080
Speaker 8: the scenes is the.

902
00:42:46,040 --> 00:42:48,960
Speaker 3: Biden campaign and many.

903
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Speaker 8: Democratic officials do believe that Barack Obama is quietly working

904
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Speaker 8: behind the scenes to orchestrate this.

905
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Speaker 1: Well, there's some good reason to believe that that is

906
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Speaker 1: exactly in fact what is happening here.

907
00:43:03,880 --> 00:43:06,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I think it's obvious. But this is

908
00:43:06,040 --> 00:43:08,839
Speaker 2: where again I don't want to give credit where if

909
00:43:08,880 --> 00:43:10,880
Speaker 2: you're gonna take him out, take him out. If he

910
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Speaker 2: publicly came out or even behind the scenes he went

911
00:43:13,480 --> 00:43:15,480
Speaker 2: on the record like with donors, and he's like, it's over,

912
00:43:15,880 --> 00:43:18,560
Speaker 2: I'm stepping in. Biden is done, He's toast. Even if

913
00:43:18,560 --> 00:43:21,279
Speaker 2: he claimed that he wanted to stick in, the existential

914
00:43:21,280 --> 00:43:24,359
Speaker 2: fallout would be disastrous and also they would be a

915
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Speaker 2: rallying cry by all of the Democratic senators who are

916
00:43:28,360 --> 00:43:30,880
Speaker 2: behind the scenes, because who is the figure in the

917
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Speaker 2: Democratic Party who is more beloved than anybody else, Barack Obama.

918
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Speaker 2: And also I think Obama has not only a special

919
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Speaker 2: responsibility because he served with Biden, but he also critically

920
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Speaker 2: Biden can't attack him as being like like if Whitmer

921
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Speaker 2: said this, what is he going to say, Oh, she

922
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Speaker 2: just wants my job? Or Gavin Newsom he's like, look,

923
00:43:46,760 --> 00:43:48,799
Speaker 2: I can't even serve this job. I'm telling you you

924
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Speaker 2: got to go. And he makes that call or at

925
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Speaker 2: least comes out publicly. That takes actual courage, and he's

926
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Speaker 2: not displaying that with Pelosi, Schumer and the rest of them.

927
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Speaker 2: They're always leaving themselves out. They're like little wheeze. And

928
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Speaker 2: with that, I can't respect that because what they're waiting

929
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Speaker 2: for is to have a true emperor. Has no close

930
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Speaker 2: moment to step in. That doesn't take courage. And also,

931
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Speaker 2: if you claim to love somebody, you don't want that

932
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Speaker 2: to happen. Let's preempt that. Yeah, like you said, with

933
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Speaker 2: this press conference, this could be a freaking disaster. I mean,

934
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Speaker 2: why would you allow somebody to walk into that.

935
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think there's a sense of almost like, we

936
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Speaker 1: can do this the easy way.

937
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Speaker 3: Yeah, we do this the hard way.

938
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Speaker 1: And so they're trying to leave him space to recognize

939
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Speaker 1: the writing on the wall that you're going to get

940
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Speaker 1: if you managed to hang on to power, which is

941
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Speaker 1: looking increasingly doubtful, you're going to get destroyed in November.

942
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Speaker 1: You're going to be remembered horribly, like anyone who might

943
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Speaker 1: have had a nice thought about you and still buys

944
00:44:46,520 --> 00:44:48,480
Speaker 1: into always such a decent man, blah blah blah, which

945
00:44:48,480 --> 00:44:51,120
Speaker 1: is obviously a much nonsense. You guys all know that,

946
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Speaker 1: But anyway, anyone who still buys that, that's going to

947
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Speaker 1: be dead. Your legacy is going to be toast. This

948
00:44:56,600 --> 00:44:58,480
Speaker 1: is the only thing you're going to be remembered for.

949
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Speaker 1: Like they want him to come to that realization on

950
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Speaker 1: his own and be able to step down without it

951
00:45:04,920 --> 00:45:08,400
Speaker 1: looking like Barack Obama was like, you have to step down.

952
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Speaker 1: That's what they're hoping for, is that he can do

953
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Speaker 1: this the easy way. Do I think the hard way

954
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Speaker 1: is on the table?

955
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Speaker 2: Yeah?

956
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Speaker 1: I kind of do, especially with the amount of the

957
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Speaker 1: donor class that has moved against him. Do I think

958
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Speaker 1: it's possible that they go so far as mounting a

959
00:45:23,400 --> 00:45:26,759
Speaker 1: like you know, DNC Convention delegate coup. Yeah, I think

960
00:45:26,800 --> 00:45:28,960
Speaker 1: that's possible. Do I even think it could be on

961
00:45:29,000 --> 00:45:31,759
Speaker 1: the table the whole twenty fifth Amendment situation? Yeah, I

962
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Speaker 1: think that is theoretically possible.

963
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Speaker 2: I pray for that possibility more than any other guy.

964
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Speaker 2: That's actually what I'm the worst worried about right.

965
00:45:38,840 --> 00:45:41,960
Speaker 1: Now, right, because this man is incapacitated today, yeah, like

966
00:45:42,000 --> 00:45:46,440
Speaker 1: today and now right and has had I think dire

967
00:45:46,480 --> 00:45:48,799
Speaker 1: consequences in terms of our foreign policy, which is the

968
00:45:48,840 --> 00:45:50,320
Speaker 1: area he clearly still has.

969
00:45:50,200 --> 00:45:52,080
Speaker 3: The most command over.

970
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Speaker 1: This is why we're he's been sof feckless and so

971
00:45:57,000 --> 00:46:00,319
Speaker 1: evil with regards to Israel's Warren Gaza. I'm mean, I

972
00:46:00,320 --> 00:46:03,440
Speaker 1: think it's very clear that that's how we've ended up

973
00:46:03,719 --> 00:46:08,879
Speaker 1: in this just horrific, unconscionable, devastating situation. So this man

974
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Speaker 1: has the nuclear codes today, and we are highly doubtful

975
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Speaker 1: that he can strink two sentences together out of press

976
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Speaker 1: conference this evening because of past four pm.

977
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Speaker 3: That's the reality.

978
00:46:18,840 --> 00:46:22,640
Speaker 2: Look, I mean, here in Washington, Zelenski is right here

979
00:46:22,800 --> 00:46:26,560
Speaker 2: right now, given speeches begging for permission to strike Russian

980
00:46:26,600 --> 00:46:30,160
Speaker 2: air bases inside of Russia. He wants to use our

981
00:46:30,280 --> 00:46:34,919
Speaker 2: long range weapons to strike a military base inside Russia. Now,

982
00:46:35,200 --> 00:46:39,200
Speaker 2: can you imagine a similar situation China providing Mexico to

983
00:46:39,320 --> 00:46:41,920
Speaker 2: hit Ellis Air Force Base or something like that in America?

984
00:46:42,000 --> 00:46:44,000
Speaker 2: Get out of here. We're going to full on war.

985
00:46:44,120 --> 00:46:45,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's right, and he might do it.

986
00:46:45,800 --> 00:46:49,399
Speaker 2: Man, you know we're riding on his mind, right, I mean,

987
00:46:49,480 --> 00:46:50,120
Speaker 2: this is terrific.

988
00:46:50,200 --> 00:46:52,000
Speaker 3: It is terrifying. It's absolutely terrifying.

989
00:46:52,160 --> 00:46:53,720
Speaker 1: To go back to the point you were making about,

990
00:46:53,719 --> 00:46:56,320
Speaker 1: like if you're a true friend of Joe Biden, it's

991
00:46:56,360 --> 00:46:59,440
Speaker 1: so true, yes, Like what true friend would hang him

992
00:46:59,440 --> 00:47:02,160
Speaker 1: out to dry at that debate when these aids clearly,

993
00:47:02,680 --> 00:47:06,760
Speaker 1: judging by how much they have have scripted his events

994
00:47:06,800 --> 00:47:08,279
Speaker 1: and rain him and make sure he's not in the

995
00:47:08,280 --> 00:47:11,959
Speaker 1: public eye whatsoever. They know what's going on, and they

996
00:47:12,160 --> 00:47:13,479
Speaker 1: still put him out there.

997
00:47:13,360 --> 00:47:14,120
Speaker 3: On the debate stage.

998
00:47:14,160 --> 00:47:16,000
Speaker 1: They know what's going on, and they're still putting him

999
00:47:16,000 --> 00:47:18,600
Speaker 1: out there to be humiliated potentially at this press comp

1000
00:47:18,680 --> 00:47:22,120
Speaker 1: the big boy press conference today, Like you are doing

1001
00:47:22,320 --> 00:47:25,160
Speaker 1: your great friend who you love so dearly, blah blah blah,

1002
00:47:25,160 --> 00:47:27,200
Speaker 1: great ast president of all time, et cetera, et cetera.

1003
00:47:27,600 --> 00:47:30,680
Speaker 1: You are doing him absolutely no favors. There is actually

1004
00:47:30,680 --> 00:47:32,480
Speaker 1: a parallel with Israel because people have been saying this

1005
00:47:32,560 --> 00:47:34,839
Speaker 1: as well, like Joe Biden, by being such a great

1006
00:47:34,880 --> 00:47:37,120
Speaker 1: friend to Israel's done them no favors either, because this

1007
00:47:37,560 --> 00:47:40,320
Speaker 1: conduct of the war has been a disaster for that country.

1008
00:47:40,560 --> 00:47:42,879
Speaker 1: Like sometimes being a good friend if you really love

1009
00:47:42,960 --> 00:47:46,320
Speaker 1: the person, means telling them some hard truths, and especially

1010
00:47:46,360 --> 00:47:48,600
Speaker 1: at a time when he is really probably too addle

1011
00:47:48,680 --> 00:47:52,200
Speaker 1: to make great decisions or really understand the landscape himself,

1012
00:47:52,560 --> 00:47:56,320
Speaker 1: and instead he's in this bubble. The Raschetties and Donalans

1013
00:47:56,360 --> 00:47:59,040
Speaker 1: of the world are keeping any negative information from him.

1014
00:47:59,120 --> 00:48:02,400
Speaker 1: He doesn't want to hear. He reportedly gets irate at

1015
00:48:02,440 --> 00:48:05,480
Speaker 1: anyone who brings him any bad news. So he surrounded

1016
00:48:05,520 --> 00:48:08,680
Speaker 1: with this very small circle of yes men and with

1017
00:48:08,840 --> 00:48:12,880
Speaker 1: his apparently villainous wife, and that's how he has.

1018
00:48:13,000 --> 00:48:13,799
Speaker 3: Really dug in.

1019
00:48:14,000 --> 00:48:17,080
Speaker 1: So, you know, will all these Obama moves, will they

1020
00:48:17,160 --> 00:48:19,040
Speaker 1: ultimately amount to anything?

1021
00:48:19,320 --> 00:48:20,000
Speaker 3: We shall see.

1022
00:48:20,440 --> 00:48:23,319
Speaker 1: But I will say that the fact that they were

1023
00:48:23,440 --> 00:48:25,760
Speaker 1: not able to turn off this pigot when they tried

1024
00:48:25,840 --> 00:48:28,360
Speaker 1: so hard early in the week, that is probably the

1025
00:48:28,400 --> 00:48:31,560
Speaker 1: most significant development. And I don't know that there's anything

1026
00:48:31,600 --> 00:48:34,719
Speaker 1: he could do in this press conference. That will quiet

1027
00:48:35,160 --> 00:48:38,759
Speaker 1: the concerns at this point, because once you see it,

1028
00:48:38,840 --> 00:48:42,319
Speaker 1: you can't unsee it. Right, once you are in the

1029
00:48:42,360 --> 00:48:46,279
Speaker 1: headspace of like, Okay, this man has significantly declined, like

1030
00:48:46,360 --> 00:48:48,880
Speaker 1: this is a problem. Then all the data points you

1031
00:48:49,000 --> 00:48:53,319
Speaker 1: had about his debate performance, about the way the fundraisers

1032
00:48:53,360 --> 00:48:56,440
Speaker 1: are scripted, about how inaccessible he is, how he does

1033
00:48:56,560 --> 00:48:59,279
Speaker 1: no interviews, he does no press conferences, he didn't do

1034
00:48:59,320 --> 00:49:03,040
Speaker 1: the Super Bowl interviews. Suddenly all of those things add

1035
00:49:03,120 --> 00:49:06,680
Speaker 1: up to a very clear conclusion. And once you've come

1036
00:49:06,719 --> 00:49:09,000
Speaker 1: to that conclusion, I don't think there's any like, there's

1037
00:49:09,000 --> 00:49:11,120
Speaker 1: no unseeing it, there's no walking back from it at

1038
00:49:11,120 --> 00:49:11,520
Speaker 1: this point.

1039
00:49:11,600 --> 00:49:15,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think you're right. All right, let's get to

1040
00:49:15,440 --> 00:49:15,840
Speaker 2: the poll.

1041
00:49:15,800 --> 00:49:17,320
Speaker 3: Let's talk about where we are with the polls.

1042
00:49:17,400 --> 00:49:20,040
Speaker 1: Since so much of the discussion in DC is focused

1043
00:49:20,080 --> 00:49:23,440
Speaker 1: more on Biden's electoral chances, which is understandable, but also

1044
00:49:23,520 --> 00:49:26,080
Speaker 1: important are his actual abilities to govern. But since so

1045
00:49:26,160 --> 00:49:28,080
Speaker 1: much is focused on his electoral chances, will take a

1046
00:49:28,080 --> 00:49:30,440
Speaker 1: look at the very latest of what the polls have

1047
00:49:30,520 --> 00:49:34,800
Speaker 1: to stay about his political position. This dropped like a

1048
00:49:34,920 --> 00:49:38,359
Speaker 1: stone yesterday. You have all of these districts that are

1049
00:49:38,400 --> 00:49:41,480
Speaker 1: being moved by Cook Political report, which assesses all the

1050
00:49:41,560 --> 00:49:43,760
Speaker 1: races and says how likely they are to go Republican

1051
00:49:43,840 --> 00:49:48,040
Speaker 1: or go Democrat. You have five different races in five

1052
00:49:48,080 --> 00:49:52,719
Speaker 1: states that have now moved to worse ratings for Democrats

1053
00:49:52,760 --> 00:49:55,319
Speaker 1: because of Joe Biden. So this is all to do

1054
00:49:55,400 --> 00:49:58,000
Speaker 1: with the Senate. Arizona has moved from toss up to

1055
00:49:58,080 --> 00:50:01,000
Speaker 1: lean our, Georgia toss up to lean OUR, Minnesota likely

1056
00:50:01,080 --> 00:50:03,520
Speaker 1: D to lean D, New Hampshire likely D to lean D.

1057
00:50:03,719 --> 00:50:06,920
Speaker 1: Nevada toss up to lean are. Let's put the next

1058
00:50:06,960 --> 00:50:10,879
Speaker 1: one up on the screen. This is really consequential. New

1059
00:50:10,960 --> 00:50:14,720
Speaker 1: York is apparently now a battleground state for Joe Biden.

1060
00:50:15,840 --> 00:50:19,280
Speaker 3: This is astonishing. No one should even be thinking.

1061
00:50:19,320 --> 00:50:21,440
Speaker 1: I mean, New York is like the definition of a

1062
00:50:21,480 --> 00:50:24,600
Speaker 1: safe state for Democrats. So the fact that the polls

1063
00:50:24,719 --> 00:50:27,759
Speaker 1: are narrowing in New York at this point, most of

1064
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Speaker 1: the polling has been internal, but you have labor leaders

1065
00:50:31,400 --> 00:50:35,640
Speaker 1: there and swing district Democrats who are saying that their

1066
00:50:35,760 --> 00:50:39,480
Speaker 1: internal polling is looking like a disaster and not that

1067
00:50:39,520 --> 00:50:42,439
Speaker 1: Trump would win it. But the fact that it's even

1068
00:50:42,520 --> 00:50:47,560
Speaker 1: a question mark at this point is incredibly astonishing. Part

1069
00:50:47,560 --> 00:50:50,640
Speaker 1: of why this is so important Soccer two is one

1070
00:50:50,640 --> 00:50:53,120
Speaker 1: of the questions in terms of the political calculus for

1071
00:50:53,160 --> 00:50:56,160
Speaker 1: all of these cowards in Washington, is what is Joe

1072
00:50:56,200 --> 00:50:58,920
Speaker 1: Biden at the top of the ticket mean for me personally?

1073
00:50:59,080 --> 00:51:02,880
Speaker 1: And my realizing and the down ballot numbers are starting

1074
00:51:02,920 --> 00:51:06,759
Speaker 1: to look extremely dire for those who think that, like, oh,

1075
00:51:06,800 --> 00:51:10,240
Speaker 1: people will just split ticket vote and maybe they'll vote

1076
00:51:10,280 --> 00:51:13,640
Speaker 1: for Joe for Trump for president, but then they'll vote

1077
00:51:13,640 --> 00:51:17,880
Speaker 1: for Tammy Baldwin for Senate. That just doesn't really happen

1078
00:51:18,080 --> 00:51:21,200
Speaker 1: to a large extent in modern politics at this point.

1079
00:51:21,400 --> 00:51:23,640
Speaker 1: Harry Entston took a look at this for CNN. Let's

1080
00:51:23,640 --> 00:51:24,720
Speaker 1: take a listen Biden.

1081
00:51:24,760 --> 00:51:26,200
Speaker 12: But the fact of the matter is, you look at

1082
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Speaker 12: the national pulling the generic congressional ballot choice for US House.

1083
00:51:29,200 --> 00:51:32,640
Speaker 12: Look at this CNN poll plus two Republican, Wall Street

1084
00:51:32,680 --> 00:51:35,600
Speaker 12: Journal Paul plus three Republicans. Mom, it's university Paul plus

1085
00:51:35,600 --> 00:51:38,520
Speaker 12: three Republican. Yeah, Joe Biden may be in slightly worse

1086
00:51:38,560 --> 00:51:41,120
Speaker 12: shape in these particular polls, but the fact is, when

1087
00:51:41,160 --> 00:51:43,319
Speaker 12: Biden's down four or five six points in these posts,

1088
00:51:43,440 --> 00:51:45,640
Speaker 12: you can only run so far ahead of Joe Biden

1089
00:51:45,680 --> 00:51:47,880
Speaker 12: at this particular point, at least in the race for

1090
00:51:47,920 --> 00:51:50,879
Speaker 12: the House, it does seem like Republicans are ahead because

1091
00:51:50,960 --> 00:51:51,840
Speaker 12: Donald Trump.

1092
00:51:51,640 --> 00:51:52,520
Speaker 2: Is so far ahead.

1093
00:51:52,560 --> 00:51:55,120
Speaker 12: What's the Senate landscape? Yeah, what's the Senate landscape? I mean,

1094
00:51:55,160 --> 00:51:57,400
Speaker 12: take a look here. GOP needs just a gain of

1095
00:51:57,440 --> 00:52:00,279
Speaker 12: one for control if Trump wins, and their pay is

1096
00:52:00,320 --> 00:52:03,480
Speaker 12: extremely clear because their best chance for a pickup opportunity

1097
00:52:03,640 --> 00:52:06,319
Speaker 12: is in West Virginia. That's a very likely GOP win

1098
00:52:06,400 --> 00:52:09,560
Speaker 12: with Joe Manchin retiring and the best DEM pickup chance

1099
00:52:09,600 --> 00:52:12,400
Speaker 12: perhaps to reverse that, so the GOP doesn't gain net

1100
00:52:12,440 --> 00:52:15,040
Speaker 12: gain of at least one is Texas, but that's still

1101
00:52:15,080 --> 00:52:17,960
Speaker 12: a likely GOP win. So the fact is, if Donald

1102
00:52:17,960 --> 00:52:20,759
Speaker 12: Trump wins this election, the race of the Senate for

1103
00:52:20,840 --> 00:52:22,640
Speaker 12: all intentsive purposes, in my mind.

1104
00:52:22,760 --> 00:52:23,120
Speaker 2: Is over.

1105
00:52:23,320 --> 00:52:26,400
Speaker 12: Let's go back since two thousand, same party, one presidency

1106
00:52:26,440 --> 00:52:30,520
Speaker 12: in Congress. Yes, five times, No, is just one time

1107
00:52:30,640 --> 00:52:33,399
Speaker 12: in twenty twelve the House that year, but the House

1108
00:52:33,440 --> 00:52:37,480
Speaker 12: popular vote that year actually went Democratic, even though Republicans

1109
00:52:37,480 --> 00:52:39,640
Speaker 12: maintain control of the House. So the fact is five

1110
00:52:39,640 --> 00:52:42,200
Speaker 12: out of six times, that's not good math. And let's

1111
00:52:42,239 --> 00:52:43,759
Speaker 12: just take a look at the Senate here. Senate in

1112
00:52:43,800 --> 00:52:47,040
Speaker 12: presidential races in twenty sixteen and twenty twenty states that

1113
00:52:47,120 --> 00:52:49,839
Speaker 12: voted the same way in both sixty eight states that

1114
00:52:49,920 --> 00:52:52,719
Speaker 12: voted for a different party, just one that was Maine

1115
00:52:52,800 --> 00:52:56,320
Speaker 12: back in twenty twenty. The fact is, straight ticket voting

1116
00:52:56,480 --> 00:52:58,480
Speaker 12: is the way of the land this these days. The

1117
00:52:58,560 --> 00:53:01,479
Speaker 12: idea that Democrats down bout could somehow outrun Joe Biden

1118
00:53:01,480 --> 00:53:03,640
Speaker 12: is such a great extent to win control in the

1119
00:53:03,680 --> 00:53:06,080
Speaker 12: House or maintain control in the Senate, that seems to

1120
00:53:06,120 --> 00:53:08,680
Speaker 12: be to be an unlikely proposition.

1121
00:53:08,640 --> 00:53:13,279
Speaker 1: Very very unlike, you never know, but very unlikely. It's

1122
00:53:13,320 --> 00:53:14,440
Speaker 1: just how modern politics is.

1123
00:53:14,520 --> 00:53:17,840
Speaker 2: There are certain examples that we can point to Pennsylvania

1124
00:53:17,920 --> 00:53:20,279
Speaker 2: right where we had a pretty big split between people

1125
00:53:20,280 --> 00:53:22,799
Speaker 2: who voted for doctor Oz but who didn't vote for

1126
00:53:23,080 --> 00:53:26,680
Speaker 2: Doug Mastriano, and they did vote for Governor Josh Shapiro.

1127
00:53:26,719 --> 00:53:30,560
Speaker 2: It's what contributed to his wide margin. But in general

1128
00:53:30,719 --> 00:53:34,239
Speaker 2: it doesn't really happen, especially at an aggregate level. And

1129
00:53:34,280 --> 00:53:37,640
Speaker 2: at the same time, that was in a race where

1130
00:53:37,640 --> 00:53:42,200
Speaker 2: the split ticket was in statewide election, not national in general.

1131
00:53:42,600 --> 00:53:46,279
Speaker 2: After twenty ten, the federalization of American politics has made

1132
00:53:46,320 --> 00:53:48,439
Speaker 2: it so that that whole idea of the blue dog

1133
00:53:48,480 --> 00:53:50,759
Speaker 2: Democrat on it basically just doesn't exist anymore. It's gone.

1134
00:53:50,840 --> 00:53:53,080
Speaker 2: I mean there's like maybe one or two people in

1135
00:53:53,160 --> 00:53:55,120
Speaker 2: a couple of these swings. The number of so called

1136
00:53:55,200 --> 00:53:59,799
Speaker 2: swingy representatives in Congress, yeah, all time low for us.

1137
00:54:00,440 --> 00:54:03,000
Speaker 2: So if I were them, I just don't buy it.

1138
00:54:03,040 --> 00:54:04,680
Speaker 2: And we see a lot of this in the polling data.

1139
00:54:04,719 --> 00:54:07,200
Speaker 2: We see Carry Lake now coming, you know, neck and

1140
00:54:07,239 --> 00:54:09,520
Speaker 2: neck with Ruben Diego. She was down by fourteen points.

1141
00:54:09,600 --> 00:54:11,759
Speaker 2: Now she's tied with Ruben Diego. I mean, if I'm

1142
00:54:11,800 --> 00:54:14,240
Speaker 2: Tammy Baldwin, I'm freaking out right now. So just because

1143
00:54:14,239 --> 00:54:17,200
Speaker 2: my net approval rating is higher than Biden, who cares?

1144
00:54:17,280 --> 00:54:20,000
Speaker 2: You know, huge portions of this population just come in

1145
00:54:20,040 --> 00:54:22,239
Speaker 2: and put straight R. Ever, since they added that to

1146
00:54:22,280 --> 00:54:25,640
Speaker 2: the ballot, it's basically game over Nevada, you know, all

1147
00:54:25,800 --> 00:54:28,120
Speaker 2: New Hampshire, all of these places. This is the real

1148
00:54:28,160 --> 00:54:28,839
Speaker 2: problem for them.

1149
00:54:29,040 --> 00:54:32,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I think it's probably likely that Democrats

1150
00:54:32,480 --> 00:54:35,080
Speaker 1: will outrun Joe Biden if he's still the nominee by

1151
00:54:35,320 --> 00:54:37,880
Speaker 1: some right, but we're seeing polls right now that have

1152
00:54:38,080 --> 00:54:39,600
Speaker 1: Tammy Baldwin outrunning.

1153
00:54:39,239 --> 00:54:40,040
Speaker 3: Him by twelve points.

1154
00:54:40,040 --> 00:54:41,359
Speaker 2: I don't believe that that's just.

1155
00:54:41,320 --> 00:54:43,240
Speaker 3: Not going to I don't. That's just not going to happen.

1156
00:54:43,440 --> 00:54:46,719
Speaker 1: And you know, the way this works is if the

1157
00:54:46,719 --> 00:54:50,360
Speaker 1: top of the ticket performs extraordinarily well, like Barack Obama

1158
00:54:50,360 --> 00:54:52,759
Speaker 1: in two thousand and eight. He had these giant cottails,

1159
00:54:53,040 --> 00:54:56,319
Speaker 1: all of these Democratic congressional races that people didn't think

1160
00:54:56,360 --> 00:54:58,719
Speaker 1: were in play, where you had canids who you know,

1161
00:54:58,800 --> 00:55:01,040
Speaker 1: didn't raise a lot of money, weren't really known, and

1162
00:55:01,120 --> 00:55:03,799
Speaker 1: Democrats weren't focused on them at all. They break up

1163
00:55:03,800 --> 00:55:05,799
Speaker 1: and they, oh my god, I won. Right, So all

1164
00:55:05,840 --> 00:55:08,640
Speaker 1: these seats that people didn't think were possible Democrats won.

1165
00:55:09,320 --> 00:55:12,760
Speaker 1: When you have a president who dramatically underperforms, it's exactly

1166
00:55:12,800 --> 00:55:16,319
Speaker 1: the opposite. There's a reverse coattail effect where you pull

1167
00:55:16,440 --> 00:55:19,880
Speaker 1: down people who may not have even thought that they

1168
00:55:19,920 --> 00:55:25,359
Speaker 1: were potentially vulnerable. So, however it plays out, however much

1169
00:55:25,400 --> 00:55:27,919
Speaker 1: Democrats are able to outrun him, every one of them

1170
00:55:27,960 --> 00:55:29,800
Speaker 1: is looking at this and saying this is a problem

1171
00:55:29,840 --> 00:55:32,319
Speaker 1: for me. Every single member of the House is up.

1172
00:55:32,640 --> 00:55:34,920
Speaker 1: You've got a third of the Senate that's up. The

1173
00:55:34,960 --> 00:55:37,560
Speaker 1: Senate has probably gone for Democrats anyway, because, as he

1174
00:55:37,600 --> 00:55:38,319
Speaker 1: lays out, they got.

1175
00:55:38,280 --> 00:55:40,680
Speaker 3: To win Texas, they got to beat ted Cruz this.

1176
00:55:40,640 --> 00:55:43,560
Speaker 1: Time, which I think is fairly unlikely, unless maybe they

1177
00:55:43,560 --> 00:55:45,640
Speaker 1: do put George Clooney and Michelle Obama at the top

1178
00:55:45,680 --> 00:55:48,960
Speaker 1: of the ticket or something. But the Senate is probably

1179
00:55:48,960 --> 00:55:51,399
Speaker 1: looking pretty grim for them. But the House they feel

1180
00:55:51,400 --> 00:55:53,480
Speaker 1: like they've got a real shot at the margin is

1181
00:55:54,120 --> 00:55:57,480
Speaker 1: already extremely narrow. I think if you had a good

1182
00:55:57,560 --> 00:55:59,759
Speaker 1: presidential nominee at the top of the ticket, they've got

1183
00:55:59,760 --> 00:56:02,880
Speaker 1: a better than even shot at picking it up, but

1184
00:56:03,440 --> 00:56:04,239
Speaker 1: not with this guy.

1185
00:56:04,640 --> 00:56:05,200
Speaker 3: Not happening.

1186
00:56:05,280 --> 00:56:09,080
Speaker 1: With this guy, you also have increasing recognition among the

1187
00:56:09,120 --> 00:56:11,840
Speaker 1: party faithful that Biden should go. We can put this

1188
00:56:11,920 --> 00:56:14,280
Speaker 1: latest up on the screen. There's an interesting age divide

1189
00:56:14,280 --> 00:56:17,520
Speaker 1: here though among all Democrats it's plus eight. This is

1190
00:56:17,520 --> 00:56:20,480
Speaker 1: a Yugov poll from July third to sixth, so it's

1191
00:56:20,520 --> 00:56:22,400
Speaker 1: a little bit dated, but this is, you know, an

1192
00:56:22,400 --> 00:56:26,040
Speaker 1: the immediate aftermath of the debate. Should he step aside

1193
00:56:26,080 --> 00:56:28,879
Speaker 1: all Democrats plus eight Democrats sixty five and older, though,

1194
00:56:28,920 --> 00:56:31,359
Speaker 1: the question is minus thirty five, So the younger you are,

1195
00:56:31,600 --> 00:56:33,520
Speaker 1: the more likely you are to say, like, get this

1196
00:56:33,640 --> 00:56:36,320
Speaker 1: guy out of here. That also tracks with his approval

1197
00:56:36,400 --> 00:56:40,520
Speaker 1: rating is much lower the younger you are among Democrats

1198
00:56:40,560 --> 00:56:43,040
Speaker 1: versus the older you are. But I also saw a

1199
00:56:43,040 --> 00:56:46,720
Speaker 1: new poll this morning. This is a new ABC Episodes

1200
00:56:46,760 --> 00:56:49,880
Speaker 1: poll that just came out, and this is of all voters.

1201
00:56:50,040 --> 00:56:52,719
Speaker 1: Eighty five percent a voter say that Biden is too

1202
00:56:52,719 --> 00:56:57,080
Speaker 1: old for a second term. Eighty five percent. How do

1203
00:56:57,120 --> 00:56:59,880
Speaker 1: you overcome that? And then you've got in this poll

1204
00:57:00,239 --> 00:57:03,280
Speaker 1: sixty two percent of Democrats saying Biden should step aside.

1205
00:57:03,600 --> 00:57:06,160
Speaker 1: So that would seem to indicate that Democratic base voters

1206
00:57:06,160 --> 00:57:10,239
Speaker 1: are moving against him really rapidly. And to all his

1207
00:57:10,360 --> 00:57:12,640
Speaker 1: claims that, oh, well, black voters still back me up,

1208
00:57:12,680 --> 00:57:14,480
Speaker 1: and there's still we need to listen to black voters

1209
00:57:14,560 --> 00:57:16,560
Speaker 1: you see all the time on Twitter. Okay, well let's

1210
00:57:16,600 --> 00:57:18,920
Speaker 1: listen to black voters. Sixty seven percent say they'd be

1211
00:57:18,960 --> 00:57:22,320
Speaker 1: fine with Harris taking over from Biden. And we've long,

1212
00:57:22,360 --> 00:57:23,960
Speaker 1: even before the debate, we had a majority of black

1213
00:57:24,040 --> 00:57:26,160
Speaker 1: voters who said that they would like a different nominee

1214
00:57:26,200 --> 00:57:30,280
Speaker 1: than Joe Biden. So, but that headline, eighty five percent

1215
00:57:30,280 --> 00:57:32,320
Speaker 1: of voters say Biden's too old for a second term.

1216
00:57:32,600 --> 00:57:34,200
Speaker 1: You think you're going to be able to overcome that?

1217
00:57:34,400 --> 00:57:37,400
Speaker 1: There's no way, There is no way. It's only going

1218
00:57:37,440 --> 00:57:39,240
Speaker 1: to go higher, Crystal. That's what that's what I think.

1219
00:57:39,280 --> 00:57:41,400
Speaker 1: I mean, and you're referencing that poll. I mean, when

1220
00:57:41,440 --> 00:57:43,440
Speaker 1: we look at it including more than the seven and

1221
00:57:43,520 --> 00:57:46,600
Speaker 1: the ten independence, so the swing voters, the limited an

1222
00:57:46,600 --> 00:57:47,680
Speaker 1: amount that are up for grabs.

1223
00:57:47,760 --> 00:57:50,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, want Biden to go. I can't not spare though,

1224
00:57:50,760 --> 00:57:53,440
Speaker 2: our boomer friends. When you look at that, because the

1225
00:57:53,520 --> 00:57:56,760
Speaker 2: numbers that just shows you, you know where the constituency

1226
00:57:57,120 --> 00:57:59,919
Speaker 2: for all this still hangs on. You've still got some

1227
00:58:00,280 --> 00:58:03,880
Speaker 2: minus thirty five percent spread of the boomers who want

1228
00:58:03,960 --> 00:58:05,880
Speaker 2: him to stay in the race. I mean, sixty one

1229
00:58:05,920 --> 00:58:09,480
Speaker 2: percent say he definitely should not drop out. What are

1230
00:58:09,520 --> 00:58:11,600
Speaker 2: these people doing? I mean, if anyone, they're the most

1231
00:58:11,600 --> 00:58:15,640
Speaker 2: familiar with age. But I think, look, here is my hope,

1232
00:58:15,640 --> 00:58:17,760
Speaker 2: and this is the only way I can try and

1233
00:58:17,800 --> 00:58:20,160
Speaker 2: spend what's happening here as a positive for the country.

1234
00:58:20,520 --> 00:58:24,440
Speaker 2: A devastating Biden loss due to age and or getting

1235
00:58:24,440 --> 00:58:28,360
Speaker 2: forced out may actually be what forces us to be

1236
00:58:28,440 --> 00:58:31,480
Speaker 2: saved from the gerontocracy, because what it means is that

1237
00:58:31,560 --> 00:58:35,480
Speaker 2: it is the final electoral signal to the Mitch McConnell's,

1238
00:58:35,680 --> 00:58:38,480
Speaker 2: the Chuck Schumers, the Pelosi and others to be like

1239
00:58:38,600 --> 00:58:42,439
Speaker 2: it's over. It is jover. If you will, like all

1240
00:58:42,520 --> 00:58:45,720
Speaker 2: of this has got to end, people will actually pay

1241
00:58:45,760 --> 00:58:49,080
Speaker 2: a price for staying in much longer than they should have.

1242
00:58:49,160 --> 00:58:51,840
Speaker 2: And what these people should recognize is that you're doing

1243
00:58:51,960 --> 00:58:53,840
Speaker 2: you know, if you want to keep the gerontocracy or

1244
00:58:53,920 --> 00:58:57,280
Speaker 2: old folks in power, is that from now till time immemorial,

1245
00:58:57,640 --> 00:59:00,400
Speaker 2: big questions around age are going to be what twenty

1246
00:59:00,520 --> 00:59:03,880
Speaker 2: fifty times more than they ever will were before. I

1247
00:59:03,920 --> 00:59:06,600
Speaker 2: mean in the Reagan and McCain years, everyone's like it

1248
00:59:06,680 --> 00:59:08,480
Speaker 2: was a sensitive question. Now it's gonna be like, no,

1249
00:59:08,560 --> 00:59:11,280
Speaker 2: straight up, like, show me your health records, everything that

1250
00:59:11,320 --> 00:59:13,480
Speaker 2: you've got if you're over at the age of seventy.

1251
00:59:13,640 --> 00:59:16,000
Speaker 1: On the other hand, yeah, Donald Trump is going to

1252
00:59:16,000 --> 00:59:16,919
Speaker 1: be serving into his agies.

1253
00:59:16,960 --> 00:59:18,360
Speaker 2: No, I agree.

1254
00:59:18,560 --> 00:59:20,320
Speaker 1: I don't know that it would be such a lesson

1255
00:59:20,400 --> 00:59:23,600
Speaker 1: learned since you'll still have an octagenarian.

1256
00:59:22,840 --> 00:59:24,120
Speaker 3: President in the offer, right.

1257
00:59:24,240 --> 00:59:26,240
Speaker 2: But my thing is is that after that, are we

1258
00:59:26,280 --> 00:59:28,880
Speaker 2: really going to renominate somebody who's seventy eight years old?

1259
00:59:28,880 --> 00:59:30,160
Speaker 2: Like I don't think so. I think that, you know,

1260
00:59:30,200 --> 00:59:32,640
Speaker 2: twenty twenty eight, we're shaping up for it. No matter

1261
00:59:32,680 --> 00:59:34,800
Speaker 2: what happens, you know, whoever wins or whatever. I think

1262
00:59:34,800 --> 00:59:36,720
Speaker 2: We're shaped up for maybe a couple of fifty year olds.

1263
00:59:36,880 --> 00:59:39,840
Speaker 2: And if if Biden loses, think too about the rage

1264
00:59:39,840 --> 00:59:42,520
Speaker 2: of the Democratic base is going to be such that

1265
00:59:42,560 --> 00:59:45,520
Speaker 2: they will reward the Dean Phillips and others, and they're

1266
00:59:45,520 --> 00:59:47,720
Speaker 2: going to be like, look, anyone who's spoken out against this,

1267
00:59:47,960 --> 00:59:50,160
Speaker 2: And one of the most potent things that primary challengers

1268
00:59:50,160 --> 00:59:52,360
Speaker 2: will have be like, it's time to go, you're too old,

1269
00:59:52,800 --> 00:59:55,320
Speaker 2: and that will resonate at a deep level.

1270
00:59:55,920 --> 00:59:58,800
Speaker 1: Which actually is actually ironic because that's how Joe Biden

1271
00:59:58,880 --> 00:59:59,360
Speaker 1: initially won.

1272
00:59:59,480 --> 01:00:02,160
Speaker 2: That's true nineteen seventies is yeah, I.

1273
01:00:02,120 --> 01:00:04,080
Speaker 1: Can't remember the name of the duty was running against,

1274
01:00:04,080 --> 01:00:05,920
Speaker 1: but he'd been there forever and he was like in

1275
01:00:05,960 --> 01:00:08,160
Speaker 1: his sixties and he was like, he's too old.

1276
01:00:08,280 --> 01:00:10,160
Speaker 2: Well, let me draw parallel though, because that's a very

1277
01:00:10,160 --> 01:00:13,640
Speaker 2: important time. The last time that the Democratic base took

1278
01:00:13,680 --> 01:00:16,600
Speaker 2: out their anger on the Democratic elites was the nineteen

1279
01:00:16,680 --> 01:00:20,120
Speaker 2: seventy two election. They were called the Watergate babies and

1280
01:00:20,160 --> 01:00:22,680
Speaker 2: all in that time period, and it was the rage

1281
01:00:22,680 --> 01:00:25,640
Speaker 2: of the base against the party elites who led them

1282
01:00:25,640 --> 01:00:30,320
Speaker 2: into Vietnam and co signed all of LBJ. Hubert Humphrey's actions.

1283
01:00:30,520 --> 01:00:33,480
Speaker 2: Those elites were actually elected in the nineteen thirties and

1284
01:00:33,600 --> 01:00:36,800
Speaker 2: nineteen forties and are the equivalent of the gerontocracy that

1285
01:00:36,840 --> 01:00:40,240
Speaker 2: we had today. Those Congressmen and senators and others who

1286
01:00:40,280 --> 01:00:42,560
Speaker 2: came in, many of them actually continue to serve today,

1287
01:00:42,600 --> 01:00:45,320
Speaker 2: which is wild. But my point is just that you know,

1288
01:00:45,360 --> 01:00:47,960
Speaker 2: there are revolutions that happened at this time, and every

1289
01:00:47,960 --> 01:00:50,080
Speaker 2: once in a while, the base and others wake up,

1290
01:00:50,120 --> 01:00:52,080
Speaker 2: they're like, we got to get these people out of here.

1291
01:00:52,120 --> 01:00:54,400
Speaker 2: So that is my prayer for what the results at

1292
01:00:54,640 --> 01:00:54,959
Speaker 2: and there.

1293
01:00:54,880 --> 01:00:56,800
Speaker 1: Have been some other I mean, it is interesting right

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Speaker 1: now because part of what is so fascinating are these

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Speaker 1: just like weird coalitions of people who are on either

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Speaker 1: side of this equation, and I do think that could

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Speaker 1: potentially shake something looset. The other thing that's been hysterical

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Speaker 1: to me is like the super Biden defenders now.

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Speaker 3: They hate the media.

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Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, they think.

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Speaker 1: The media is being so unfair to Joe Biden, which

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Speaker 1: is hilarious for a variety of reasons, but it also

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Speaker 1: makes me kind of hopeful, like, oh, well, maybe they'll

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Speaker 1: stop being so sycophantic and just trust whatever the media

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Speaker 1: tells him about anything all the time. Is my hope

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Speaker 1: for a sil silver lining out of this. But I

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01:01:31,720 --> 01:01:34,400
Speaker 1: mean my real take is just it's chaos right now.

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Speaker 1: How this is going to shake out. It's going to

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Speaker 1: have massive, lasting repercussions on American politics, There's no doubt

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Speaker 1: about that. What those are going to be, I couldn't say.

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Speaker 3: I don't know.

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Speaker 1: It'll depend does he get out, does he not get out,

1313
01:01:47,160 --> 01:01:48,320
Speaker 1: does he win, does he lose?

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Speaker 3: How bad is it? Who replace?

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Speaker 1: All this stuff is still very much a live question,

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Speaker 1: which is what makes it so such an incredibly fascinating.

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Speaker 3: Time to live through.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely, we got one more here for you, which is

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Speaker 1: pretty interesting. So one of the Joe Biden talking points

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Speaker 1: has been that it's just this cabal of elites who

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Speaker 1: wants him to step aside. Now we just ran through

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01:02:09,520 --> 01:02:11,840
Speaker 1: the polling that shows you. Of course, that's preposterous. It's

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Speaker 1: also preposterous because the idea that Joe Biden has been

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01:02:15,440 --> 01:02:20,480
Speaker 1: some like man of the people is hilarious, especially because

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01:02:20,760 --> 01:02:23,960
Speaker 1: part of how he's convinced himself that he is like

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Speaker 1: this super special political figure and he's the only one

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01:02:28,040 --> 01:02:30,400
Speaker 1: that could be Trump, and he was underestimated for blah

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01:02:30,440 --> 01:02:33,720
Speaker 1: blah blah, was by dint of his primary victory over

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01:02:33,720 --> 01:02:37,400
Speaker 1: Bernie Sanders in twenty twenty. Now we all know how

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Speaker 1: that went down. It had very little to do with

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01:02:39,480 --> 01:02:41,720
Speaker 1: Joe Biden and his acumen. In fact, the fact that

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Speaker 1: the former vice president had to be rescued by Obama

1333
01:02:44,920 --> 01:02:48,439
Speaker 1: and an actual elite ball behind the scenes was pretty extraordinary.

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01:02:48,600 --> 01:02:51,040
Speaker 1: But that was another never something that like an ordinary

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01:02:51,160 --> 01:02:53,960
Speaker 1: establishment Democrat would admit is the way all of that

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Speaker 1: went down. But now you had Representative Adam Smith went

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Speaker 1: on I believe, multiple programs to remind people what that

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01:03:00,720 --> 01:03:03,919
Speaker 1: primary was actually about and how that actually went down.

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Speaker 1: And it's pretty amazing to see a regular run of

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01:03:07,040 --> 01:03:10,680
Speaker 1: the mill, rank and file establishment democrat admit what that

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01:03:10,720 --> 01:03:12,160
Speaker 1: process was actually all about.

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Speaker 3: Let's take a listen.

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Speaker 13: And I've said this over and over again, Joe Biden

1344
01:03:16,080 --> 01:03:18,400
Speaker 13: was not picked in twenty twenty because he was the

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Speaker 13: only person who could beat Trump. He was picked because

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01:03:21,440 --> 01:03:23,720
Speaker 13: he was the only person that could beat Bernie Sanders,

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Speaker 13: rightly or wrong. And by the way, for the Sanders

1348
01:03:26,120 --> 01:03:29,320
Speaker 13: fans out there, I'm not judging, but that conclusion was made.

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Speaker 2: Okay, oh my gosh, coming out of Nevada.

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Speaker 13: Bernie Sanders is going to be the nominee, and people

1351
01:03:35,000 --> 01:03:38,440
Speaker 13: just like they are now back then, said yeah, I

1352
01:03:38,480 --> 01:03:40,120
Speaker 13: don't think that's going to work. So they were looking

1353
01:03:40,160 --> 01:03:42,840
Speaker 13: for an alternative. And tip of the hat to Joe Biden.

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Speaker 13: He had the record eight great years as vice president.

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Speaker 1: Wasn't about he could beat Trump. It was about he

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01:03:49,240 --> 01:03:51,640
Speaker 1: could be Bernie Sanders. And so all of these elites

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01:03:51,720 --> 01:03:54,680
Speaker 1: that he's now pretending to be so against, meanwhile he's

1358
01:03:54,680 --> 01:03:56,840
Speaker 1: calling them and doing his donor or fundraising pitch and

1359
01:03:56,880 --> 01:04:00,560
Speaker 1: trying to smooth the lotters. All of them moved against Bernie,

1360
01:04:00,760 --> 01:04:02,800
Speaker 1: moved in favor of Joe Biden, and that's how he

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Speaker 1: ends up being the nominee.

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Speaker 3: Funny that he can admit that now.

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01:04:06,920 --> 01:04:09,440
Speaker 2: Truth comes out on time, Yeah yeah, I mean a

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01:04:09,440 --> 01:04:11,120
Speaker 2: lot of us knew it at the time, covered it

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01:04:11,440 --> 01:04:14,240
Speaker 2: as such. We're called conspiracy theorists, et cetera. But it

1366
01:04:14,320 --> 01:04:14,800
Speaker 2: is funny.

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Speaker 5: You know.

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Speaker 2: It certainly does reveal everything. We will see what happens

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Speaker 2: here with Joe Biden. But I mean that eighty five

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Speaker 2: percent one. I can't really get that out of my

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Speaker 2: head because that's just that's it. Americans degree on anything

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Speaker 2: like literally anything for this I can't think of a

1373
01:04:33,840 --> 01:04:35,880
Speaker 2: more unifying position now for the American people.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, truly, it is extraordinary. And that's not some elite take.

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Speaker 1: That is the will of the people as it is.

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Speaker 2: There.

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Speaker 1: You go, all right, let's take a look at the

1378
01:04:47,080 --> 01:04:49,480
Speaker 1: very latest lies to come out of the White House.

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Speaker 1: So we have been covering these questions about Joe Biden

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Speaker 1: and potential Parkinson's concerns. You've had multiple experts now come

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01:04:57,400 --> 01:05:01,240
Speaker 1: out and say he appears to be exhibiting classicsvictims of Parkinson's.

1382
01:05:01,760 --> 01:05:05,280
Speaker 1: Then we find out there was a Parkinson's specialist who

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01:05:05,440 --> 01:05:09,200
Speaker 1: visited the White House eight separate times just in the

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01:05:09,280 --> 01:05:13,320
Speaker 1: past number of months. The White House really stonewalled when

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Speaker 1: they were asked about that, which just raised further questions.

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01:05:17,320 --> 01:05:19,919
Speaker 1: And now you have Kreean Jean Pierre caught in yet

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01:05:20,040 --> 01:05:24,760
Speaker 1: another lie, specifically with regard to this Parkinson's expert who

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Speaker 1: had visited the White House and put this up on

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Speaker 1: the screen from the ap President Joe Biden saw neurologists

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Speaker 1: at the White House.

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Speaker 3: That's that parkinson specialist.

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Speaker 1: For the January seventeenth exam, Press Secretary says that is

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Speaker 1: directly contrary to what she had said before. So he

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Speaker 1: saw that expert at the White House on January seventeenth

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Speaker 1: for a neurological exam, they're now saying, the results of

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Speaker 1: which were later reported as part of Zannuel Physical more

1397
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Speaker 1: than a month later. This is the latest line from

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Speaker 1: the White House that confirmation came. They write after the

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Speaker 1: White House Press Secretary Kreean John Pierre inaccurately said during

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Speaker 1: the daily briefing with reporters that the January seventeenth meeting

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01:06:03,000 --> 01:06:06,680
Speaker 1: was not related to care for the President in response

1402
01:06:06,720 --> 01:06:10,200
Speaker 1: to a question from the AP. So, the AP asked

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01:06:10,240 --> 01:06:14,080
Speaker 1: her straight out, was this January seventeenth meeting which we

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01:06:14,160 --> 01:06:17,840
Speaker 1: knew was there were four people in the room. One

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01:06:17,880 --> 01:06:20,520
Speaker 1: of them was the Parkinson's expert, one of them was

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01:06:20,600 --> 01:06:24,400
Speaker 1: Joe Biden's personal physician, and then there was one who

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01:06:24,480 --> 01:06:27,760
Speaker 1: remained a mystery. Was this about Joe Biden? She said,

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01:06:27,800 --> 01:06:31,960
Speaker 1: unequivocally No. Now she has had to come back once again.

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01:06:32,080 --> 01:06:33,840
Speaker 1: This is the second time, just in the past couple

1410
01:06:33,880 --> 01:06:36,160
Speaker 1: of days, has had to come back and clean that

1411
01:06:36,320 --> 01:06:40,560
Speaker 1: up and admit that this meeting was actually with Joe Biden. So,

1412
01:06:40,720 --> 01:06:43,160
Speaker 1: just to recall how all of this went down at

1413
01:06:43,160 --> 01:06:46,360
Speaker 1: the initial press briefing, she just stonewalled at the question

1414
01:06:46,440 --> 01:06:49,600
Speaker 1: and claimed these preposters like security and privacy concerns, even

1415
01:06:49,600 --> 01:06:52,000
Speaker 1: though his name, the specialist name was in the public

1416
01:06:52,080 --> 01:06:55,040
Speaker 1: visitors logs that was already public, but she saw privacy concerns,

1417
01:06:55,080 --> 01:06:58,400
Speaker 1: security concerns, et cetera. The next time she out and

1418
01:06:58,400 --> 01:07:00,800
Speaker 1: out says, no, this meeting was not about Joe Biden.

1419
01:07:01,000 --> 01:07:02,960
Speaker 1: Let's listen to her initial comments.

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01:07:03,120 --> 01:07:06,520
Speaker 14: It's not it's not something that the President is dealing with.

1421
01:07:07,960 --> 01:07:08,200
Speaker 15: Value.

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Speaker 14: Oh, well, I can tell you this just going back

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01:07:10,360 --> 01:07:12,400
Speaker 14: to Parkinson's for a little bit. So to give you

1424
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Speaker 14: some answers here. Has the President being treated for Parkinson's?

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Speaker 11: No?

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01:07:16,040 --> 01:07:18,640
Speaker 14: Is he being treated for Parkinson's, No he's not. Is

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Speaker 14: he taking medication for Parkinson's No. So those are the

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Speaker 14: things that I can give you full blown answers on,

1429
01:07:25,400 --> 01:07:27,040
Speaker 14: but I'm not going to do. I'm not going to

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Speaker 14: confirm a specialist. Any specialist that comes to come comes

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01:07:31,120 --> 01:07:31,880
Speaker 14: to the White House out.

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Speaker 16: Of private You've noted that there are thousands within the

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Speaker 16: Walter Reeds system, maybe treated by a specialist who visits

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Speaker 16: here at the White House. But this neurologist had a

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Speaker 16: meeting with the president's physition with his doctor. You're refusing

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Speaker 16: to say if he was here to evaluate the president

1437
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Speaker 16: or he was consulting on the president's health.

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Speaker 2: So what then was that meeting about.

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Speaker 14: And I will say that doctor O'Connor leads the medical unit.

1440
01:07:53,320 --> 01:07:57,840
Speaker 14: He's literally, he's literally the he leads the medical unit. Oh,

1441
01:07:58,000 --> 01:08:03,440
Speaker 14: because we will not confirm or speak to names that

1442
01:08:03,480 --> 01:08:06,040
Speaker 14: are you're providing to me it is out of security.

1443
01:08:06,040 --> 01:08:08,160
Speaker 14: Reason is out of protecting someone's.

1444
01:08:07,800 --> 01:08:09,800
Speaker 3: Privacy, security and privacy.

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01:08:09,960 --> 01:08:12,520
Speaker 1: And she very strongly suggests that it wasn't about Biden,

1446
01:08:12,520 --> 01:08:15,120
Speaker 1: because well, he heads the White House Medical Union, so

1447
01:08:15,200 --> 01:08:18,559
Speaker 1: it could be about anything. Then she comes back this

1448
01:08:18,640 --> 01:08:21,240
Speaker 1: time is when she tells the outright lie that that

1449
01:08:21,280 --> 01:08:23,479
Speaker 1: meeting had nothing to do with the president's health. Let's

1450
01:08:23,479 --> 01:08:24,719
Speaker 1: take a listen to how that went.

1451
01:08:24,800 --> 01:08:25,840
Speaker 4: And you can correct me if I own.

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Speaker 17: But it didn't seem to explicitly described in the nature

1453
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Speaker 17: of doctor Cunard's meeting with doctor O'Connor. So can you

1454
01:08:32,320 --> 01:08:35,720
Speaker 17: say whether that one meeting is related to care for

1455
01:08:35,880 --> 01:08:36,839
Speaker 17: the president himself?

1456
01:08:36,880 --> 01:08:37,800
Speaker 2: I can say that it was not.

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01:08:37,920 --> 01:08:38,559
Speaker 11: It was not great.

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Speaker 17: And I was asked why that information that was released

1459
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Speaker 17: last night just wasn't said at the briefing, Asterda.

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Speaker 14: Well, no, actually a lot of what is in the

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Speaker 14: letter was said at the briefing.

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Speaker 2: To be very very clear, I.

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01:08:53,400 --> 01:08:56,000
Speaker 14: Said, many of the things that were laid out in

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Speaker 14: the letter was actually repeated right here behind this lectern,

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Speaker 14: at this post yesterday.

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Speaker 3: Uh.

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01:09:01,439 --> 01:09:05,120
Speaker 2: It was that hold on. I said many of the things,

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Speaker 2: many of the things, and.

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Speaker 14: We got claric clarification obviously from doctor O'Connor. But it

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Speaker 14: was in line with what I said when I said

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Speaker 14: only three right, I said, only three visits that this

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Speaker 14: particular doctor had, I said a neurologist. What I was

1473
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Speaker 14: not able to confirm is the name. And the reason

1474
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Speaker 14: why is because we do not share a private information.

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Speaker 14: That is something that we respect, uh, and we wanted

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01:09:33,920 --> 01:09:37,360
Speaker 14: to make sure that we protected our consultants here that

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Speaker 14: worked with the White House Medical Unit their security as well.

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Speaker 1: Gaslighting here just on every level is incredible. So that's

1479
01:09:43,880 --> 01:09:45,600
Speaker 1: where she tells the direct lie that's had nothing to

1480
01:09:45,600 --> 01:09:46,960
Speaker 1: do with the president. Then they have to come back

1481
01:09:46,960 --> 01:09:49,040
Speaker 1: and well it actually was about the parting did meet

1482
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Speaker 1: with the president. But also when she is like all

1483
01:09:51,240 --> 01:09:54,120
Speaker 1: this information was in the pross briefing, no, no, it

1484
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Speaker 1: was not, lady. And still with this privacy and security concerns,

1485
01:09:58,000 --> 01:09:59,799
Speaker 1: if you were trying to put to bad the idea

1486
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Speaker 1: that president could have Parkinson's, which I think is very

1487
01:10:02,280 --> 01:10:06,479
Speaker 1: much a live and ongoing question, you're repeatedly getting caught

1488
01:10:06,520 --> 01:10:09,200
Speaker 1: in multiple lives by the press Corps is not going.

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Speaker 3: To help out.

1490
01:10:09,560 --> 01:10:11,360
Speaker 2: Going to say, I've covered politics long enough to know this.

1491
01:10:11,400 --> 01:10:13,280
Speaker 2: When you get caught lining three times in one week,

1492
01:10:13,320 --> 01:10:16,360
Speaker 2: there's smoke there, Okay, fire, It's not only present, it

1493
01:10:16,439 --> 01:10:18,760
Speaker 2: is raging, and it is everywhere. So I want to know.

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Speaker 2: I mean, there are four people in that meeting, Three

1495
01:10:20,880 --> 01:10:22,640
Speaker 2: of them had been confirmed. Now we know that the

1496
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Speaker 2: fourth person is the President of the United States. Why

1497
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Speaker 2: was he meeting with the president of the United States?

1498
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Speaker 2: They claim is for a routine physical? Well, then why

1499
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Speaker 2: wasn't he president of the twenty twenty one in the

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Speaker 2: twenty twenty two routine physical? Why did you bring him

1501
01:10:35,200 --> 01:10:38,080
Speaker 2: in in twenty twenty three, which just happens to coincide

1502
01:10:38,080 --> 01:10:41,479
Speaker 2: with his even more rapid deterioration on the public stage.

1503
01:10:41,600 --> 01:10:43,599
Speaker 2: You don't need to be a genius to figure all

1504
01:10:43,640 --> 01:10:45,840
Speaker 2: of this stuff out, and to also know about the

1505
01:10:45,840 --> 01:10:47,840
Speaker 2: way that a cover up is happening. You know, I've

1506
01:10:47,880 --> 01:10:50,479
Speaker 2: been telling you a little bit about this, but everybody

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01:10:50,479 --> 01:10:53,559
Speaker 2: I'm asking who is an actual doctor, is very freaked

1508
01:10:53,560 --> 01:10:55,960
Speaker 2: out by the setup right now under Biden, And if

1509
01:10:55,960 --> 01:10:58,040
Speaker 2: this were Trump, you would hear a lot more about this. Yeah,

1510
01:10:58,080 --> 01:11:01,000
Speaker 2: this doctor is a family friend who tried to go

1511
01:11:01,040 --> 01:11:03,479
Speaker 2: into business with the president's brother. So, first of all,

1512
01:11:03,520 --> 01:11:06,320
Speaker 2: I don't be a damn word that you were saying. Second,

1513
01:11:06,400 --> 01:11:08,000
Speaker 2: and I don't want to piss too many doctors off.

1514
01:11:08,120 --> 01:11:10,760
Speaker 2: He's a d O only eleven percent. I think of

1515
01:11:10,800 --> 01:11:14,960
Speaker 2: board certified physicians are DEOSS, like doctor of Osteopathic Medicine

1516
01:11:15,040 --> 01:11:16,840
Speaker 2: or whatever. All I'm saying is I was raised enough

1517
01:11:16,880 --> 01:11:19,640
Speaker 2: around Indian mds to be a little suss. Whenever you

1518
01:11:19,720 --> 01:11:22,840
Speaker 2: hear a DOO and a family friend, You're like, what's

1519
01:11:22,880 --> 01:11:24,760
Speaker 2: going on here? What kind of doc is this guy?

1520
01:11:25,240 --> 01:11:27,280
Speaker 2: He's a fan. Look again, he is board certified, So

1521
01:11:27,280 --> 01:11:29,960
Speaker 2: I'm not calling the credentials. I'm only saying there's variance

1522
01:11:29,960 --> 01:11:33,320
Speaker 2: within the industry. I'll put it kindly that way. So

1523
01:11:33,520 --> 01:11:35,679
Speaker 2: what do we know too here about this doc? He's

1524
01:11:35,720 --> 01:11:39,040
Speaker 2: not some career Navy admiral or any of these other

1525
01:11:39,040 --> 01:11:42,120
Speaker 2: people's been relatively impartial. He's got a lot riding here,

1526
01:11:42,160 --> 01:11:45,160
Speaker 2: He's got his career on the line. Why he has

1527
01:11:45,240 --> 01:11:47,439
Speaker 2: every incentive in the world. And that's the other thing

1528
01:11:47,439 --> 01:11:49,360
Speaker 2: about cover ups, as we all know about the corrupt

1529
01:11:49,360 --> 01:11:52,479
Speaker 2: medical industry, you don't just outright say, oh, yes, Parkinson's,

1530
01:11:52,520 --> 01:11:54,919
Speaker 2: we got to cover up Parkinson's. If he never diagnosed Parkinson's,

1531
01:11:54,960 --> 01:11:58,040
Speaker 2: he never had Parkinson's. That's what I think we're all watching,

1532
01:11:58,400 --> 01:12:01,240
Speaker 2: you know, right now behind the scenes. But this is

1533
01:12:01,240 --> 01:12:03,200
Speaker 2: what I hope that the presscorp really gets him on,

1534
01:12:03,280 --> 01:12:06,120
Speaker 2: because if we can get Biden on the record about

1535
01:12:06,120 --> 01:12:09,160
Speaker 2: Parkinson's and is later revealed that he lied about it,

1536
01:12:09,200 --> 01:12:11,439
Speaker 2: that's it. We can impeach him for that. I mean,

1537
01:12:12,000 --> 01:12:14,240
Speaker 2: that's it. You have to go. That's a twenty fifth

1538
01:12:14,280 --> 01:12:17,240
Speaker 2: Amendment or an actual impeachable offense at that point, because

1539
01:12:17,240 --> 01:12:19,479
Speaker 2: it has to do with your actual fitness for the office. Yeah.

1540
01:12:19,520 --> 01:12:21,720
Speaker 1: Well, the other lie that she recently was caught in

1541
01:12:22,000 --> 01:12:25,160
Speaker 1: was about whether Biden had had a medical exam after

1542
01:12:25,280 --> 01:12:28,800
Speaker 1: the debate, and she said no, unequivdly no, and then

1543
01:12:28,840 --> 01:12:31,960
Speaker 1: Biden himself, I think, in the Stephanopolis interview, was like, yeah,

1544
01:12:31,960 --> 01:12:34,240
Speaker 1: I had a check up, and so she had to

1545
01:12:34,280 --> 01:12:36,960
Speaker 1: come back then and say, well, actually he had a

1546
01:12:37,080 --> 01:12:39,439
Speaker 1: verbal check in which I wasn't thinking of as a

1547
01:12:39,439 --> 01:12:41,920
Speaker 1: medical exam, so it's not a lie. And of course

1548
01:12:41,960 --> 01:12:44,240
Speaker 1: the press scorp was like, this is like, you're just

1549
01:12:44,320 --> 01:12:47,479
Speaker 1: lying to us. That was what triggered actually, Ed O'Keefe

1550
01:12:47,520 --> 01:12:49,559
Speaker 1: in that extraordinary exchange that we showed you where he

1551
01:12:49,680 --> 01:12:52,160
Speaker 1: was so angry and not just him Kelly O'Donnell, a

1552
01:12:52,160 --> 01:12:55,160
Speaker 1: bunch of other of the front row prestigious press people

1553
01:12:55,400 --> 01:12:58,519
Speaker 1: were so enraged and really going at Korean John Pierre

1554
01:12:58,760 --> 01:13:00,920
Speaker 1: was because they had just been lied about this Biden

1555
01:13:01,040 --> 01:13:04,400
Speaker 1: medical exam. So that's why the fact you had that lie.

1556
01:13:04,520 --> 01:13:07,160
Speaker 1: Now you have this lie that she's having to admit

1557
01:13:07,240 --> 01:13:10,000
Speaker 1: to and cop to. The knives are going to be

1558
01:13:10,040 --> 01:13:13,200
Speaker 1: out for Biden at this press conference because, as you said, Zager,

1559
01:13:13,400 --> 01:13:15,240
Speaker 1: not only have they been lied to so they do

1560
01:13:15,400 --> 01:13:18,280
Speaker 1: not have they have given this White House so much

1561
01:13:18,320 --> 01:13:22,120
Speaker 1: benefit of the doubt. It is preposterous the amount of

1562
01:13:22,160 --> 01:13:24,120
Speaker 1: cover they have provided to this White House over the

1563
01:13:24,160 --> 01:13:26,719
Speaker 1: number of years, going along with the cheap fake stuff,

1564
01:13:26,800 --> 01:13:30,200
Speaker 1: all of that that's gone. Okay, They feel lied to

1565
01:13:30,360 --> 01:13:33,040
Speaker 1: and they feel humiliated because they know that they got

1566
01:13:33,040 --> 01:13:35,360
Speaker 1: played on all of this and have been played on all.

1567
01:13:35,240 --> 01:13:36,559
Speaker 3: Of this for years.

1568
01:13:37,120 --> 01:13:41,879
Speaker 1: So that's part of what increases the risk for Biden

1569
01:13:42,000 --> 01:13:45,920
Speaker 1: at the big boy press conference today is because they've

1570
01:13:45,960 --> 01:13:47,720
Speaker 1: taken the gloves off, you're not going to get the

1571
01:13:47,800 --> 01:13:50,720
Speaker 1: kid handling that he would have gotten, you know, two

1572
01:13:50,720 --> 01:13:55,160
Speaker 1: weeks ago before the debate. That's not happening because they

1573
01:13:55,200 --> 01:13:57,160
Speaker 1: know they have been lied to. They've they've had to

1574
01:13:57,240 --> 01:14:01,360
Speaker 1: admit at the direct from the White House that they

1575
01:14:01,360 --> 01:14:03,639
Speaker 1: have lied to people multiple times in a single week.

1576
01:14:03,720 --> 01:14:06,240
Speaker 1: So that's also part of why this is so consequential.

1577
01:14:06,280 --> 01:14:09,320
Speaker 1: But also, you know, more to the point, there are

1578
01:14:09,360 --> 01:14:11,880
Speaker 1: some very serious questions here about what's actually going on

1579
01:14:11,920 --> 01:14:12,840
Speaker 1: with the president's health.

1580
01:14:12,880 --> 01:14:14,639
Speaker 3: And you know, I'm not a doctor.

1581
01:14:15,200 --> 01:14:17,719
Speaker 1: I can only you know, see what other experts are saying,

1582
01:14:17,800 --> 01:14:20,760
Speaker 1: look at the symptoms on you know, online, and look

1583
01:14:20,760 --> 01:14:24,360
Speaker 1: at Biden's performance. But the fact that there's been such

1584
01:14:24,400 --> 01:14:29,240
Speaker 1: a significant decline just in the most recent period tracks

1585
01:14:29,240 --> 01:14:31,920
Speaker 1: with there being something going on other than just old age.

1586
01:14:31,960 --> 01:14:35,840
Speaker 1: Because as I said before, you know, Bernie's still with it,

1587
01:14:35,960 --> 01:14:39,880
Speaker 1: Pelosi is still probably behind scenes, like ready to cut

1588
01:14:39,880 --> 01:14:41,960
Speaker 1: the cord on him and wielding power and saying the

1589
01:14:42,000 --> 01:14:45,719
Speaker 1: things she wants to say. You have other Maxine Waters

1590
01:14:45,800 --> 01:14:48,439
Speaker 1: right came out and was like, I'm still I'm older

1591
01:14:48,479 --> 01:14:50,080
Speaker 1: than he is and I'm still good. And she is

1592
01:14:50,120 --> 01:14:52,240
Speaker 1: still fiery like you, whatever you think of her, she

1593
01:14:52,360 --> 01:14:54,680
Speaker 1: is still firing with it. Trump is old as hell too,

1594
01:14:54,720 --> 01:14:56,960
Speaker 1: and he still seems, I mean, his little incoherent, but

1595
01:14:56,960 --> 01:14:59,160
Speaker 1: he's always been a little incoherent. His energy levels are

1596
01:14:59,160 --> 01:15:03,240
Speaker 1: certainly there. It's not just age. So some sort of

1597
01:15:03,280 --> 01:15:06,160
Speaker 1: diagnosis does make sense in that context that there's something

1598
01:15:06,200 --> 01:15:08,880
Speaker 1: specific happening with Joe Biden, and then you see the

1599
01:15:08,880 --> 01:15:11,400
Speaker 1: White House lying and spinning and getting caught over and over.

1600
01:15:11,840 --> 01:15:13,960
Speaker 1: It does not help put those questions to bed.

1601
01:15:14,080 --> 01:15:17,240
Speaker 2: No zero. I am very concerned about the state of

1602
01:15:17,280 --> 01:15:21,479
Speaker 2: the president today, like national security twenty fifth Amendment level

1603
01:15:21,520 --> 01:15:26,960
Speaker 2: concern today. Yeah, considering dragging this out is madness. And

1604
01:15:27,360 --> 01:15:30,040
Speaker 2: you know here we have a genuine scandal with his

1605
01:15:30,160 --> 01:15:33,439
Speaker 2: health where he won't even consent to a cognitive test.

1606
01:15:33,479 --> 01:15:33,840
Speaker 3: That's right.

1607
01:15:33,880 --> 01:15:34,640
Speaker 2: Remember that's right.

1608
01:15:35,240 --> 01:15:37,360
Speaker 3: If you're good, take one every day, if.

1609
01:15:37,200 --> 01:15:39,880
Speaker 1: You're good, to you with a neurological examiner will be

1610
01:15:40,000 --> 01:15:44,400
Speaker 1: from an independent expert, not your buddy, Yeah, exerts yes,

1611
01:15:44,560 --> 01:15:47,759
Speaker 1: and then that's the result, the results to the public.

1612
01:15:47,880 --> 01:15:50,200
Speaker 3: Right then okay, maybe we can talk.

1613
01:15:50,280 --> 01:15:52,800
Speaker 1: But that's the one thing he's been very clear and

1614
01:15:52,840 --> 01:15:58,160
Speaker 1: cogent on is his absolute refusal to have a neurological

1615
01:15:58,200 --> 01:16:01,679
Speaker 1: examination so that people could have some sort of sense

1616
01:16:01,720 --> 01:16:02,320
Speaker 1: of what's going.

1617
01:16:02,200 --> 01:16:04,120
Speaker 2: On in his ed. He's like, that would be weakness,

1618
01:16:04,160 --> 01:16:07,000
Speaker 2: that would be admitting that there's something there, And it's like, no, dude,

1619
01:16:07,000 --> 01:16:09,200
Speaker 2: when eighty five percent of people think that you're too old,

1620
01:16:09,280 --> 01:16:11,040
Speaker 2: like you have to prove it to them that you

1621
01:16:11,120 --> 01:16:11,960
Speaker 2: actually can run.

1622
01:16:12,080 --> 01:16:14,040
Speaker 3: Oh listen, we all know. If he could do it,

1623
01:16:14,040 --> 01:16:15,840
Speaker 3: he would do yeah. Right. If he could have done

1624
01:16:15,880 --> 01:16:16,400
Speaker 3: the two.

1625
01:16:16,240 --> 01:16:18,640
Speaker 1: Hour press conference right after and taken a bunch of

1626
01:16:18,720 --> 01:16:21,400
Speaker 1: questions from the present, all of those things, he would

1627
01:16:21,400 --> 01:16:23,400
Speaker 1: have done it. He would have taken the super Bowl

1628
01:16:23,439 --> 01:16:26,840
Speaker 1: interview if he could prove his line was always, you know,

1629
01:16:26,960 --> 01:16:29,240
Speaker 1: if you think I'm touill, just watch me. Okay, we've

1630
01:16:29,240 --> 01:16:32,880
Speaker 1: been watching, and you haven't been giving anyone any comfort whatsoever.

1631
01:16:32,960 --> 01:16:36,920
Speaker 1: Quite the contrary. So if he could do what needed

1632
01:16:36,960 --> 01:16:39,479
Speaker 1: to be done to put the doubters to bed, he

1633
01:16:39,560 --> 01:16:42,439
Speaker 1: would do it. The fact that he doesn't and won't

1634
01:16:42,560 --> 01:16:44,320
Speaker 1: tells you everything you really need to know.

1635
01:16:44,560 --> 01:16:49,200
Speaker 2: Yes, that's right. All right, let's shift gears a little

1636
01:16:49,200 --> 01:16:51,720
Speaker 2: bit to Donald Trump. We're still on deep watch here

1637
01:16:51,760 --> 01:16:54,639
Speaker 2: with what is going to happen with Donald Trump's vice

1638
01:16:54,680 --> 01:16:57,720
Speaker 2: presidential pick. Allegedly there were a couple of people who

1639
01:16:57,800 --> 01:17:01,000
Speaker 2: had made the shortlist, Doug Burgam, Marco Ruby, and jd Vance.

1640
01:17:01,240 --> 01:17:04,800
Speaker 2: Trump appeared on Brian kill Me's show to and Brian

1641
01:17:04,880 --> 01:17:06,880
Speaker 2: kill Me asked him about each of these and he

1642
01:17:06,880 --> 01:17:09,400
Speaker 2: actually kind of laid some of the things about each

1643
01:17:09,439 --> 01:17:11,559
Speaker 2: one and why they might be good. So let's take

1644
01:17:11,560 --> 01:17:12,280
Speaker 2: a listen on.

1645
01:17:12,360 --> 01:17:14,840
Speaker 7: Your vice president candidate. Word is that you will pick

1646
01:17:14,920 --> 01:17:16,880
Speaker 7: jd Vance because of his facial hair?

1647
01:17:17,280 --> 01:17:17,559
Speaker 2: Is that?

1648
01:17:17,800 --> 01:17:20,120
Speaker 15: Is that true?

1649
01:17:20,320 --> 01:17:25,439
Speaker 7: Facial hair number two? Doug Doug Burgham the thing that

1650
01:17:25,600 --> 01:17:29,639
Speaker 7: hurts Lincoln, right, He's a he's a handsome man. Doug

1651
01:17:30,360 --> 01:17:35,000
Speaker 7: Doug Burgham on abortion in North Dakota. He signed something

1652
01:17:35,080 --> 01:17:37,519
Speaker 7: legislature handed him. Does that hurt him?

1653
01:17:39,240 --> 01:17:41,120
Speaker 15: Well, it's a little bit of an issue. It's a

1654
01:17:41,160 --> 01:17:44,080
Speaker 15: pretty strong man, you know. I think Doug is great,

1655
01:17:44,080 --> 01:17:47,880
Speaker 15: but it is a strong he's taking a very strong

1656
01:17:47,960 --> 01:17:50,559
Speaker 15: stance or the state has I don't know if it's Doug,

1657
01:17:50,640 --> 01:17:53,960
Speaker 15: but the state has it's so it's an issue.

1658
01:17:54,200 --> 01:17:58,559
Speaker 7: And lastly, Mark Rubio, where Mark Rubio and being from Florida,

1659
01:17:58,600 --> 01:18:02,640
Speaker 7: would that stop you from from picking him.

1660
01:18:03,400 --> 01:18:05,920
Speaker 15: No, but it does make it more complicated. You know,

1661
01:18:06,160 --> 01:18:09,120
Speaker 15: you do that, and it makes it more complicated. There

1662
01:18:09,120 --> 01:18:13,719
Speaker 15: are people that don't have that complication. Now it's fairly

1663
01:18:13,840 --> 01:18:16,960
Speaker 15: easily fixed, but you have to do something with delegates

1664
01:18:17,040 --> 01:18:19,240
Speaker 15: or there has to be a resignation, you know, et cetera,

1665
01:18:19,280 --> 01:18:22,320
Speaker 15: et cetera. So it's not like picking some people where

1666
01:18:22,320 --> 01:18:26,360
Speaker 15: it's very easy where there is none of that Florida meeting.

1667
01:18:26,360 --> 01:18:28,720
Speaker 15: Two people can't be running on the same ticket. You

1668
01:18:28,800 --> 01:18:32,360
Speaker 15: actually can, but they take delegates, and taking delegates is

1669
01:18:32,680 --> 01:18:34,000
Speaker 15: a very risky thing to do.

1670
01:18:34,160 --> 01:18:37,000
Speaker 7: Right see you Milwaukee, mister President. Thanks so much for

1671
01:18:37,000 --> 01:18:39,240
Speaker 7: the quality time for audience, and thanks so much for

1672
01:18:39,280 --> 01:18:41,599
Speaker 7: the insight. Do you think you'll make your pick tomorrow,

1673
01:18:41,680 --> 01:18:42,280
Speaker 7: Vice President?

1674
01:18:44,240 --> 01:18:48,200
Speaker 15: No, not tomorrow. I'll make it close to the convention.

1675
01:18:48,840 --> 01:18:50,320
Speaker 15: I would love to do it the old you know,

1676
01:18:50,360 --> 01:18:52,439
Speaker 15: it used to be picked during the convention, bruh, And

1677
01:18:52,479 --> 01:18:56,519
Speaker 15: it made the convention frankly more interesting. The pick used

1678
01:18:56,520 --> 01:18:58,760
Speaker 15: to be during the convention. That's what I'd like to do.

1679
01:18:59,360 --> 01:19:03,120
Speaker 15: But it you know, with modern technology, if you can

1680
01:19:03,160 --> 01:19:06,160
Speaker 15: believe it, it's like everything else, And like voting used

1681
01:19:06,200 --> 01:19:09,320
Speaker 15: to be better with old paper ballots, I mean modern technologies.

1682
01:19:09,320 --> 01:19:12,400
Speaker 15: There's a lot of things, and it makes it easier

1683
01:19:12,920 --> 01:19:15,960
Speaker 15: if you pick before the convention. But I'd love to

1684
01:19:15,960 --> 01:19:18,240
Speaker 15: be the old fashioned way and during the convention.

1685
01:19:18,439 --> 01:19:20,280
Speaker 2: Okay, so let's go through some of the things that

1686
01:19:20,280 --> 01:19:22,559
Speaker 2: he said about Doug. What did he say? He started

1687
01:19:22,600 --> 01:19:25,759
Speaker 2: off with Jade Vance and space. This is a stupid

1688
01:19:25,800 --> 01:19:27,599
Speaker 2: article that came out in the Bulwark. I don't even

1689
01:19:27,600 --> 01:19:30,920
Speaker 2: know why Brian Kilmead is talking about that one. The

1690
01:19:30,960 --> 01:19:33,600
Speaker 2: second one is Doug Burgham. I actually think that was

1691
01:19:33,640 --> 01:19:36,360
Speaker 2: the most consequential thing that he said. And then the

1692
01:19:36,400 --> 01:19:39,720
Speaker 2: third about Rubio. He's talking about the residency requirement. But

1693
01:19:39,760 --> 01:19:42,360
Speaker 2: to actually go through some of like the pluses and

1694
01:19:42,400 --> 01:19:44,559
Speaker 2: the minuses, one of the things we're talking about before

1695
01:19:44,600 --> 01:19:47,559
Speaker 2: the show is I would not put it past Trump

1696
01:19:47,600 --> 01:19:50,080
Speaker 2: to actually take somebody out of those three. Now that

1697
01:19:50,120 --> 01:19:53,400
Speaker 2: the race has so fundamentally changed, in a world where

1698
01:19:53,520 --> 01:19:59,400
Speaker 2: New York and Virginia, Colorado, New Hampshire are on the ballot,

1699
01:20:00,200 --> 01:20:03,759
Speaker 2: pick Clen Younkin like I would pick a hyper moderate,

1700
01:20:04,040 --> 01:20:07,599
Speaker 2: you know, a blue state, red governor and run him

1701
01:20:07,600 --> 01:20:10,599
Speaker 2: who's friendly to the donors. Because now I'm going for broke.

1702
01:20:10,680 --> 01:20:13,479
Speaker 2: I'm going for three hundred and eighty electoral votes. I'm

1703
01:20:13,520 --> 01:20:16,800
Speaker 2: not going for a narrow victory against Joe Biden. I

1704
01:20:16,880 --> 01:20:19,479
Speaker 2: just think in this blowout scenario, things could change, and

1705
01:20:19,520 --> 01:20:22,000
Speaker 2: I do think his mind probably has shifted as a

1706
01:20:22,040 --> 01:20:24,559
Speaker 2: result of what has happened here. Now again, I don't

1707
01:20:24,560 --> 01:20:27,240
Speaker 2: know what each of these three, whether this three is

1708
01:20:27,280 --> 01:20:31,640
Speaker 2: even the final list. The campaign manager, Chris Lesovita, continues

1709
01:20:31,720 --> 01:20:34,760
Speaker 2: to poo poo any discussion of like this is the

1710
01:20:34,840 --> 01:20:37,720
Speaker 2: final list or that's not even true. So there's a

1711
01:20:37,720 --> 01:20:39,800
Speaker 2: lot of spinning going on. And the thing is too

1712
01:20:39,800 --> 01:20:41,639
Speaker 2: with Trump. I mean, he didn't make the Pence call

1713
01:20:41,800 --> 01:20:44,320
Speaker 2: until very very late in the game. So I actually

1714
01:20:44,400 --> 01:20:45,880
Speaker 2: believe him when I say it's going to be right

1715
01:20:45,960 --> 01:20:48,000
Speaker 2: up before the convention. I really do.

1716
01:20:48,200 --> 01:20:51,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's junkin has been pretty popular in Virginia. I

1717
01:20:51,800 --> 01:20:54,719
Speaker 1: think tactically young Kin makes a lot of sense for him,

1718
01:20:54,880 --> 01:20:58,080
Speaker 1: because I do think he could potentially put Virginia in play.

1719
01:20:59,080 --> 01:21:03,920
Speaker 1: I also think that he is don't class loves him, right,

1720
01:21:04,080 --> 01:21:06,519
Speaker 1: Trump's raising a lot of money from Wall Street and

1721
01:21:06,520 --> 01:21:10,720
Speaker 1: whoever Youngkin is kind of he's sort of undefined nationally,

1722
01:21:11,000 --> 01:21:14,439
Speaker 1: so that's a good thing as well in terms of shaping.

1723
01:21:14,520 --> 01:21:17,439
Speaker 1: He's not going to overshadow Trump, that much is for sure.

1724
01:21:17,479 --> 01:21:21,599
Speaker 1: He doesn't have a super you know, charismatic profile any

1725
01:21:21,640 --> 01:21:25,679
Speaker 1: of that, and he has been somewhat of a moderate

1726
01:21:25,880 --> 01:21:29,519
Speaker 1: governor in Virginia, So I think tactically that makes a

1727
01:21:29,560 --> 01:21:31,160
Speaker 1: lot of sense. Is he going to reach outside of

1728
01:21:31,200 --> 01:21:32,640
Speaker 1: the ones that have been leaked to the press of

1729
01:21:32,720 --> 01:21:33,280
Speaker 1: the finalists?

1730
01:21:33,320 --> 01:21:34,080
Speaker 3: I have no idea.

1731
01:21:35,080 --> 01:21:39,400
Speaker 1: I do still stand by I think Trump will make

1732
01:21:39,680 --> 01:21:42,400
Speaker 1: what he at least perceives to be a tactical play,

1733
01:21:42,479 --> 01:21:44,840
Speaker 1: which is why I've always been I just have never

1734
01:21:44,920 --> 01:21:47,560
Speaker 1: understood the case for jd Vance because Ohio is a

1735
01:21:47,640 --> 01:21:50,000
Speaker 1: rod state. You're not bringing anything into play there. He's

1736
01:21:50,040 --> 01:21:52,479
Speaker 1: not from a demographic group like he's a white dude,

1737
01:21:52,600 --> 01:21:52,880
Speaker 1: you know.

1738
01:21:53,000 --> 01:21:53,840
Speaker 3: So if you.

1739
01:21:53,800 --> 01:21:56,240
Speaker 1: Believe the identity politics play of like we're going to

1740
01:21:56,320 --> 01:21:58,120
Speaker 1: have a Latino and then Latinos are going to vote

1741
01:21:58,160 --> 01:21:59,479
Speaker 1: for us, which I think is nonsense, But a lot

1742
01:21:59,520 --> 01:22:03,040
Speaker 1: of people believe he doesn't make sense from that perspective,

1743
01:22:03,200 --> 01:22:05,680
Speaker 1: I saw someone floating like, oh, well, he's young, so

1744
01:22:05,720 --> 01:22:08,439
Speaker 1: maybe young people have over which I can't even believe

1745
01:22:08,439 --> 01:22:13,559
Speaker 1: that they would think it's just so silly. So, you know, Trump,

1746
01:22:13,600 --> 01:22:17,000
Speaker 1: this is this is very consequential election. It really matters

1747
01:22:17,080 --> 01:22:19,000
Speaker 1: that he's able to pull it across the finish line.

1748
01:22:19,439 --> 01:22:23,280
Speaker 1: The landscape has suddenly gotten much less certain. They are

1749
01:22:23,800 --> 01:22:26,720
Speaker 1: hoping and praying to God that Joe Biden is still

1750
01:22:26,720 --> 01:22:29,280
Speaker 1: at the top of this literally because they know they

1751
01:22:29,360 --> 01:22:33,840
Speaker 1: will be able to wallop him come November. If it's

1752
01:22:34,240 --> 01:22:36,200
Speaker 1: a question mark who's at the top of the ticket,

1753
01:22:36,280 --> 01:22:37,880
Speaker 1: I mean, I think you could get someone in here

1754
01:22:37,960 --> 01:22:40,559
Speaker 1: that would be a lot more difficult for him to

1755
01:22:40,600 --> 01:22:43,320
Speaker 1: deal with. I think there could be a scenario where

1756
01:22:43,520 --> 01:22:45,760
Speaker 1: you have, you know, a candidate who feels like a

1757
01:22:45,800 --> 01:22:48,520
Speaker 1: new fresh face, and that people who were so disgusted,

1758
01:22:48,560 --> 01:22:51,640
Speaker 1: which this is another unifying sentiment, so it's such disgust

1759
01:22:52,200 --> 01:22:54,240
Speaker 1: that these are the two choices that were left with.

1760
01:22:54,320 --> 01:22:57,040
Speaker 1: Once again, I think you could really have a bump

1761
01:22:57,080 --> 01:22:59,360
Speaker 1: for that person if you, you know, made the right

1762
01:22:59,400 --> 01:23:04,920
Speaker 1: strategic choice. So he's in this sort of difficult position

1763
01:23:05,400 --> 01:23:07,679
Speaker 1: because he's having a pick a vice presidential candidate without

1764
01:23:07,680 --> 01:23:10,680
Speaker 1: really knowing what the landscape is. So that makes it

1765
01:23:10,720 --> 01:23:14,040
Speaker 1: even more important that you have a very tactical choice,

1766
01:23:14,040 --> 01:23:15,599
Speaker 1: because on the one hand, he could be looking at

1767
01:23:15,640 --> 01:23:19,960
Speaker 1: the you know, the historic landslide where he wins Virginia.

1768
01:23:20,080 --> 01:23:21,760
Speaker 1: On the other hand, he could be looking at a

1769
01:23:21,880 --> 01:23:25,000
Speaker 1: much more formidable candidate than he's facing now, in which place,

1770
01:23:25,120 --> 01:23:27,760
Speaker 1: you know, being having a vice president that more people

1771
01:23:27,800 --> 01:23:30,360
Speaker 1: feel comfortable with and that puts states in play that

1772
01:23:30,800 --> 01:23:33,200
Speaker 1: otherwise might not be in play, becomes more consequential.

1773
01:23:33,240 --> 01:23:36,439
Speaker 3: So I genuinely don't know. I have a I just

1774
01:23:36,479 --> 01:23:36,800
Speaker 3: have a.

1775
01:23:36,720 --> 01:23:38,880
Speaker 1: Gut feeling that he's throwing us a little bit off

1776
01:23:38,880 --> 01:23:40,479
Speaker 1: the trail with the people that have been leaked to

1777
01:23:40,520 --> 01:23:42,760
Speaker 1: the press, because you know, he's a showman. He loves

1778
01:23:42,760 --> 01:23:45,360
Speaker 1: a surprise. He wants it to come out of nowhere.

1779
01:23:45,640 --> 01:23:47,960
Speaker 1: He wants people to not be thinking. But I agree

1780
01:23:48,000 --> 01:23:51,200
Speaker 1: with you the Doug Burghm comments that I think is

1781
01:23:51,400 --> 01:23:53,879
Speaker 1: probably real. I think that he feels like the abortion

1782
01:23:54,000 --> 01:23:56,599
Speaker 1: thing with Doug Burgham that kind of ruled out christ

1783
01:23:56,600 --> 01:23:58,640
Speaker 1: you know him. I think he probably does feel like

1784
01:23:58,640 --> 01:23:59,560
Speaker 1: that's a genuine.

1785
01:23:59,240 --> 01:24:01,519
Speaker 2: Talk for him about that with Rubio, although he does

1786
01:24:01,600 --> 01:24:03,120
Speaker 2: tease it a little bit. So let's take a listen

1787
01:24:03,120 --> 01:24:03,360
Speaker 2: to that.

1788
01:24:03,640 --> 01:24:05,799
Speaker 3: When will you make an announcement? Maybe tonight.

1789
01:24:06,439 --> 01:24:09,479
Speaker 2: And if he's not chosen, will he be what did

1790
01:24:09,479 --> 01:24:10,920
Speaker 2: he play a role in your administration?

1791
01:24:11,080 --> 01:24:13,360
Speaker 15: Well, he certainly will. And he's a fantastic guy, and

1792
01:24:13,400 --> 01:24:15,000
Speaker 15: he's a friend of mine and he is one of

1793
01:24:15,040 --> 01:24:18,160
Speaker 15: the top people. And let's see how we do over

1794
01:24:18,200 --> 01:24:20,400
Speaker 15: the next week. But probably over the next week or so,

1795
01:24:20,560 --> 01:24:21,799
Speaker 15: maybe even at the convention.

1796
01:24:22,240 --> 01:24:24,759
Speaker 2: Well mark out come a long way, he said, maybe

1797
01:24:24,840 --> 01:24:27,439
Speaker 2: even at the convention. I'm taking in a look at that.

1798
01:24:27,479 --> 01:24:29,400
Speaker 2: Let's put this one up there please on the screen,

1799
01:24:29,479 --> 01:24:32,280
Speaker 2: and these are the predicted odds in the betting markets.

1800
01:24:32,280 --> 01:24:34,280
Speaker 2: This is all just based on public reporting. So you've

1801
01:24:34,280 --> 01:24:38,120
Speaker 2: got jd Vance, Doug Bergham, Marco Rubio, Ben Carson, Glenn

1802
01:24:38,200 --> 01:24:40,240
Speaker 2: Youngkin there, Tulsa, I don't know where the hell that's

1803
01:24:40,240 --> 01:24:43,560
Speaker 2: coming from, Tulsea Gabbard, Bavik Ramaswami, and Tim Scott. I

1804
01:24:43,600 --> 01:24:46,320
Speaker 2: would put Tim Scott way higher up on that list. YEA, yeah,

1805
01:24:46,320 --> 01:24:48,360
Speaker 2: I don't know. I'm feeling Glenn. Look, all of these

1806
01:24:48,400 --> 01:24:50,720
Speaker 2: I think are possibilities. A lot of it will come

1807
01:24:50,760 --> 01:24:54,479
Speaker 2: down to exactly the hole that he's trying to fill here.

1808
01:24:54,560 --> 01:24:57,599
Speaker 2: And like I said, the case for Vance that people

1809
01:24:57,600 --> 01:25:00,439
Speaker 2: are making to him is basically, look, this guy will

1810
01:25:00,479 --> 01:25:02,960
Speaker 2: run your administration. You can do whatever you want to do.

1811
01:25:03,080 --> 01:25:04,880
Speaker 2: The only reason I'm skeptical of that is Trump doesn't

1812
01:25:04,880 --> 01:25:08,000
Speaker 2: really care about governance. The other problem for JD is

1813
01:25:08,040 --> 01:25:10,599
Speaker 2: that there is a lot of donors hate him, especially

1814
01:25:10,680 --> 01:25:13,120
Speaker 2: over Ukraine. Let's put this up there on the screen

1815
01:25:13,280 --> 01:25:16,160
Speaker 2: from the Daily Beast. Trump donors on the brink of

1816
01:25:16,200 --> 01:25:20,120
Speaker 2: civil war over JD Vance for VP, and people like

1817
01:25:20,200 --> 01:25:25,160
Speaker 2: Rupert Murdoch and others are adamantly opposed, whereas Marco Rubio

1818
01:25:25,280 --> 01:25:28,200
Speaker 2: and Doug Bergham our boat. Rubio is beloved by the

1819
01:25:28,240 --> 01:25:31,360
Speaker 2: donor class. He's a tea party og, Paul Singer and

1820
01:25:31,400 --> 01:25:34,360
Speaker 2: the rest of him adore him. Burgham is both filthy

1821
01:25:34,439 --> 01:25:36,639
Speaker 2: rich in his own right, and he is genuinely friends

1822
01:25:36,680 --> 01:25:39,240
Speaker 2: with all of these donors. So that's to his benefit.

1823
01:25:39,520 --> 01:25:42,439
Speaker 2: JD doesn't have the same like donor based per se

1824
01:25:42,920 --> 01:25:44,600
Speaker 2: of the people who like him. He hates the wal

1825
01:25:44,920 --> 01:25:46,720
Speaker 2: I was at a speech last night that he gave.

1826
01:25:46,800 --> 01:25:49,240
Speaker 2: He was going after the Wall Street Journal editorial board,

1827
01:25:50,040 --> 01:25:52,200
Speaker 2: you know, So there's a lot of those financial people

1828
01:25:52,760 --> 01:25:53,599
Speaker 2: who really hate him.

1829
01:25:53,600 --> 01:25:55,679
Speaker 3: He's a he himself a financial person though.

1830
01:25:55,680 --> 01:25:58,960
Speaker 2: No, he's a venture capitalist. There's a big difference right

1831
01:25:58,960 --> 01:26:02,120
Speaker 2: between Wall Street and v see. I'm just saying, like

1832
01:26:02,360 --> 01:26:03,200
Speaker 2: I'm just I.

1833
01:26:03,120 --> 01:26:06,440
Speaker 1: Mean, it's it's definitely part of the financial industry.

1834
01:26:06,080 --> 01:26:08,240
Speaker 2: Okay, but he's not out there out of the corporate

1835
01:26:08,240 --> 01:26:10,320
Speaker 2: tax cuts. And there's a pretty big difference between the

1836
01:26:10,320 --> 01:26:12,120
Speaker 2: Wall Street Journal and a bil board is like, oh,

1837
01:26:12,160 --> 01:26:15,400
Speaker 2: actually a corporate tax rate should be zero. Right. One

1838
01:26:15,439 --> 01:26:17,400
Speaker 2: of the reasons they hate him the most is because

1839
01:26:17,400 --> 01:26:20,240
Speaker 2: he praised Lena Khan at this at at a convention,

1840
01:26:20,360 --> 01:26:22,120
Speaker 2: said she was the best member of the Biden ministry.

1841
01:26:22,160 --> 01:26:24,840
Speaker 2: I mean, as you know, that's unforgivable for a lot

1842
01:26:24,840 --> 01:26:27,679
Speaker 2: of these folks. So anyways, Wall Street people don't like him.

1843
01:26:27,720 --> 01:26:29,679
Speaker 2: Wall Street Journal people don't like him. The Wall Street

1844
01:26:29,760 --> 01:26:33,880
Speaker 2: Journals owner doesn't like him. So and then the Ukraine

1845
01:26:33,960 --> 01:26:36,760
Speaker 2: thing is a problem for a lot of the neo cons.

1846
01:26:36,640 --> 01:26:38,360
Speaker 1: Were what do you think about it? We were talking

1847
01:26:38,360 --> 01:26:40,080
Speaker 1: about this before. I think you view this a little

1848
01:26:40,080 --> 01:26:41,800
Speaker 1: different than me. But I feel like it's also a

1849
01:26:41,800 --> 01:26:43,719
Speaker 1: problem that there's all these clips of him on CNN

1850
01:26:43,800 --> 01:26:46,280
Speaker 1: and like saying negative things about Trump, So that a problem.

1851
01:26:46,320 --> 01:26:50,040
Speaker 1: And I know Trump really values loyalty and JD has

1852
01:26:50,080 --> 01:26:52,160
Speaker 1: gone out of his way to sort of display his.

1853
01:26:52,360 --> 01:26:54,000
Speaker 3: Loyalty in recent years.

1854
01:26:54,160 --> 01:26:58,000
Speaker 1: But someone who could really totally change on a dime

1855
01:26:58,160 --> 01:27:00,840
Speaker 1: like that, how much can you really put stock in

1856
01:27:00,880 --> 01:27:02,200
Speaker 1: their long term loyalty?

1857
01:27:02,240 --> 01:27:03,640
Speaker 2: He could to put it two ways. You could be well,

1858
01:27:03,680 --> 01:27:05,679
Speaker 2: I've got a lot on this guy because he's somebody

1859
01:27:05,760 --> 01:27:09,640
Speaker 2: who he's somebody who like he previously criticized me, so

1860
01:27:09,760 --> 01:27:12,439
Speaker 2: now you know I have that over him as a

1861
01:27:12,479 --> 01:27:15,280
Speaker 2: way to question his loyalty or whatever keep him in line.

1862
01:27:15,560 --> 01:27:17,080
Speaker 2: You could also put it the way that he said,

1863
01:27:17,160 --> 01:27:19,280
Speaker 2: I don't know. Look, I mean the Trump family, the

1864
01:27:19,320 --> 01:27:21,719
Speaker 2: Trump Junior and all those people. Trump Junior wants Trump

1865
01:27:21,720 --> 01:27:24,400
Speaker 2: to pick JD. Vance even today's tweeting out his clips.

1866
01:27:24,400 --> 01:27:26,879
Speaker 2: He keeps talking about he's the only America first candidate.

1867
01:27:26,960 --> 01:27:29,760
Speaker 2: So if he's forgiven him, I don't know. It's one

1868
01:27:29,800 --> 01:27:34,120
Speaker 2: of those with Trump where look, Rubio ran against him, right,

1869
01:27:34,240 --> 01:27:36,879
Speaker 2: Rubio said he was unacceptable. He's on the list Burgham

1870
01:27:36,920 --> 01:27:38,360
Speaker 2: was on our show running against him.

1871
01:27:38,360 --> 01:27:40,479
Speaker 1: So you know the now all three, what do you

1872
01:27:40,479 --> 01:27:43,080
Speaker 1: think about the Rubio I'm no skeptical of that one,

1873
01:27:43,080 --> 01:27:45,519
Speaker 1: because Rubio's also bought some really big moments.

1874
01:27:45,760 --> 01:27:45,960
Speaker 6: Yeah.

1875
01:27:46,920 --> 01:27:49,519
Speaker 1: Yeah, just in terms of Trump, thinking about the showman

1876
01:27:49,640 --> 01:27:52,200
Speaker 1: aspect and does he really you know, does he really

1877
01:27:52,200 --> 01:27:53,920
Speaker 1: show up when he needs to show up? Obviously had

1878
01:27:53,960 --> 01:27:57,280
Speaker 1: that infamous horrible State of the Union response, he was

1879
01:27:57,360 --> 01:28:02,240
Speaker 1: embarrassed by Trump and by Chris Christy during the Republican

1880
01:28:02,439 --> 01:28:04,920
Speaker 1: primary debates back in twenty sixteen. I mean, in the

1881
01:28:05,000 --> 01:28:07,439
Speaker 1: sense that's ancient history, but I do think that those

1882
01:28:07,520 --> 01:28:10,080
Speaker 1: impressions linger of like, oh, this is someone that when

1883
01:28:10,160 --> 01:28:12,080
Speaker 1: the chips are down, they don't really show up.

1884
01:28:12,200 --> 01:28:16,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's right. I would Actually that's probably Rubio's biggest problem. Yeah,

1885
01:28:16,600 --> 01:28:18,600
Speaker 2: I mean the other thing is Trump. This would be

1886
01:28:18,600 --> 01:28:21,280
Speaker 2: a case for both JD and Bergham is that both

1887
01:28:21,280 --> 01:28:23,760
Speaker 2: of them are at least good enough on television who

1888
01:28:23,800 --> 01:28:26,040
Speaker 2: are defending him, at least with Bergham was not good

1889
01:28:26,040 --> 01:28:28,080
Speaker 2: on our show, but he's been done well enough on

1890
01:28:28,439 --> 01:28:32,000
Speaker 2: CNN and elsewhere going after Joe Biden, etc. So that

1891
01:28:32,040 --> 01:28:33,800
Speaker 2: could be the role. I really don't know what Trump

1892
01:28:33,840 --> 01:28:36,240
Speaker 2: wants in a VP, because last time around it was

1893
01:28:36,280 --> 01:28:39,479
Speaker 2: I just need these evangelicals and to solidify them. This time,

1894
01:28:39,520 --> 01:28:42,120
Speaker 2: the dynamics are different. I mean, basically, the evangelicals are

1895
01:28:42,120 --> 01:28:45,240
Speaker 2: all weeping and crying because they slightly softened the pro

1896
01:28:45,320 --> 01:28:49,760
Speaker 2: life language in the GOP in the RNC platform, and

1897
01:28:49,760 --> 01:28:50,880
Speaker 2: Trump is basically like each.

1898
01:28:50,720 --> 01:28:52,920
Speaker 3: Shit get over and the way.

1899
01:28:52,880 --> 01:28:55,200
Speaker 2: He's right, it should tell them that. So but this

1900
01:28:55,280 --> 01:28:57,840
Speaker 2: time it's like, what is the constituency? Like I said,

1901
01:28:57,880 --> 01:29:00,280
Speaker 2: are we going for the swing state voters? If we are,

1902
01:29:00,320 --> 01:29:02,360
Speaker 2: I'm going for Yunkin. Do we think that we're just

1903
01:29:02,360 --> 01:29:03,800
Speaker 2: gonna win no matter what? And so I'm going to

1904
01:29:03,840 --> 01:29:06,120
Speaker 2: think about governance. I would pick JD. Do I have

1905
01:29:06,200 --> 01:29:08,960
Speaker 2: money problems? Now I'm picking Doug Bergham. I mean I could,

1906
01:29:09,200 --> 01:29:10,760
Speaker 2: I could make the case for all four. Yeah, I

1907
01:29:10,760 --> 01:29:11,760
Speaker 2: really don't know where his mind is.

1908
01:29:11,840 --> 01:29:11,920
Speaker 15: Right.

1909
01:29:12,000 --> 01:29:14,639
Speaker 1: The JD governance thing again just doesn't make sense because

1910
01:29:14,880 --> 01:29:17,080
Speaker 1: you can he can be your chief of staff, you

1911
01:29:17,160 --> 01:29:19,160
Speaker 1: can run your you know whatever is like the critical

1912
01:29:19,200 --> 01:29:20,080
Speaker 1: agency for you.

1913
01:29:20,080 --> 01:29:21,599
Speaker 3: You don't have to have him on the ticket.

1914
01:29:22,200 --> 01:29:26,000
Speaker 1: So I just the electoral case unless you're just looking

1915
01:29:26,000 --> 01:29:28,040
Speaker 1: for someone who can be like a bulldog for you

1916
01:29:28,080 --> 01:29:30,439
Speaker 1: on cable news. But again, he'll do that whether he's

1917
01:29:30,479 --> 01:29:33,160
Speaker 1: on the ticket or not. So I don't know, But

1918
01:29:33,600 --> 01:29:37,760
Speaker 1: I also can't claim to understand the mindset. And I

1919
01:29:37,760 --> 01:29:41,840
Speaker 1: think it's possible Trump hasn't even fully decided because the

1920
01:29:41,920 --> 01:29:46,400
Speaker 1: landscape is so much influx right now that he's having

1921
01:29:46,439 --> 01:29:50,160
Speaker 1: to recalibrate. He may be running a totally different race

1922
01:29:50,680 --> 01:29:52,479
Speaker 1: than what he thought he was going to be running.

1923
01:29:52,680 --> 01:29:54,760
Speaker 2: Do we think it would be a fool not to

1924
01:29:54,960 --> 01:29:57,840
Speaker 2: because now it is not about Trump. It's not even

1925
01:29:57,920 --> 01:30:00,680
Speaker 2: really it's about inflation, but it's not really inflation. This

1926
01:30:00,760 --> 01:30:04,519
Speaker 2: is about this man is gonna die like tomorrow. You

1927
01:30:04,640 --> 01:30:08,280
Speaker 2: need to elect me to save us from this urgent crisis.

1928
01:30:08,760 --> 01:30:12,360
Speaker 2: Now Trump will benefit from the same phenomenon that Biden did,

1929
01:30:12,560 --> 01:30:16,760
Speaker 2: where people are not voting for Biden, they're voting against Trump, right,

1930
01:30:16,840 --> 01:30:17,360
Speaker 2: same thing.

1931
01:30:17,520 --> 01:30:20,519
Speaker 1: So now you get the phenomenee though that's right if

1932
01:30:20,560 --> 01:30:22,480
Speaker 1: Biden's nominee.

1933
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Speaker 2: I don't know you have it even with Kamla. I

1934
01:30:23,600 --> 01:30:25,439
Speaker 2: mean you could prosecute the case of like, what what

1935
01:30:25,560 --> 01:30:26,000
Speaker 2: does she know?

1936
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Speaker 3: I think she knows.

1937
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Speaker 1: I think he knows how to run against Kamala. I

1938
01:30:30,680 --> 01:30:32,559
Speaker 1: mean she's just she's been in the public eye enough.

1939
01:30:32,600 --> 01:30:34,679
Speaker 1: They thought enough about her. I'm sure they have APO

1940
01:30:34,800 --> 01:30:37,840
Speaker 1: on her. But she also will get to pick, you know,

1941
01:30:37,840 --> 01:30:40,040
Speaker 1: if it's compless, she'll get to pick a vice presidential

1942
01:30:40,560 --> 01:30:43,360
Speaker 1: you know, and Andy Bisheer or whoever to round out

1943
01:30:43,360 --> 01:30:47,080
Speaker 1: that ticket as well. So it makes the selection more

1944
01:30:47,120 --> 01:30:50,280
Speaker 1: difficult for him because he doesn't know who he's up against.

1945
01:30:50,360 --> 01:30:53,360
Speaker 1: He doesn't know, he doesn't have any special insight. He's reading,

1946
01:30:53,560 --> 01:30:55,720
Speaker 1: looking at all the things that we're looking at and

1947
01:30:55,760 --> 01:30:58,160
Speaker 1: trying to make his best guess as well. Earlier this

1948
01:30:58,200 --> 01:31:00,759
Speaker 1: week on Seohn Handity's show, he said, I think Biden's

1949
01:31:00,760 --> 01:31:02,400
Speaker 1: got too much ego to drop out. I think it

1950
01:31:02,400 --> 01:31:04,840
Speaker 1: may be him. Things have shifted since then, so is

1951
01:31:04,840 --> 01:31:06,120
Speaker 1: his assessment different today?

1952
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Speaker 3: We don't know.

1953
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Speaker 1: He's playing the same game in a lot of ways

1954
01:31:09,840 --> 01:31:12,200
Speaker 1: that we are, and having a pick a vice presidential

1955
01:31:12,360 --> 01:31:15,759
Speaker 1: ticket without knowing whether you're going to be going against

1956
01:31:15,840 --> 01:31:19,080
Speaker 1: us historically weak candidate or someone who may be more formidable,

1957
01:31:19,360 --> 01:31:23,080
Speaker 1: which does make those tactical concerns much more paramount because

1958
01:31:23,120 --> 01:31:26,200
Speaker 1: you've got to make a choice that is going to play,

1959
01:31:26,400 --> 01:31:30,160
Speaker 1: whether it's against Biden or Kamala or question mark candidate

1960
01:31:30,240 --> 01:31:31,000
Speaker 1: that's out there that way.

1961
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Speaker 2: What I would do if I were him is I

1962
01:31:32,320 --> 01:31:34,600
Speaker 2: would wait until the very very last possible moment, I

1963
01:31:34,640 --> 01:31:36,800
Speaker 2: would have definitely mendidates and I would wait, and if

1964
01:31:36,840 --> 01:31:38,799
Speaker 2: I were him, maybe I would even vote until the convention,

1965
01:31:38,880 --> 01:31:41,360
Speaker 2: because we'll probably know by that point whether Biden is

1966
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Speaker 2: going to.

1967
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Speaker 1: Be I think we're going to have a good sense.

1968
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Speaker 1: We'll have a much better by the end of day tomorrow, honestly.

1969
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Speaker 2: So if dropping, then okay, now we're changing things up

1970
01:31:49,240 --> 01:31:51,800
Speaker 2: a little bit. If Biden is staying, okay, now we're

1971
01:31:51,840 --> 01:31:53,439
Speaker 2: you know, we're like I said, we're going for broke,

1972
01:31:53,479 --> 01:31:55,960
Speaker 2: We're going for three hundred and eighty electoral votes. So

1973
01:31:56,160 --> 01:31:59,000
Speaker 2: I think that things could change still rapidly. And you know,

1974
01:31:59,040 --> 01:32:00,760
Speaker 2: even if you read his street, a lot of these

1975
01:32:00,840 --> 01:32:03,080
Speaker 2: VP picks they only come together at the last minute.

1976
01:32:03,080 --> 01:32:05,679
Speaker 2: The Sarah Palin thing, it wasn't final until like six

1977
01:32:05,800 --> 01:32:08,479
Speaker 2: days before, four days before, yeah, something like that. So

1978
01:32:08,680 --> 01:32:09,960
Speaker 2: you never know, things can change them.

1979
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Speaker 1: Yeah, and they also typically are not that consequential. Yeah, well,

1980
01:32:12,720 --> 01:32:17,840
Speaker 1: Kalen ended up being consequential. Biden in the arc of

1981
01:32:17,920 --> 01:32:19,280
Speaker 1: history ends up being consequential.

1982
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Speaker 3: Not so much.

1983
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Speaker 2: In terms of brock Caine one, I don't remember much

1984
01:32:23,240 --> 01:32:25,280
Speaker 2: about it. Yeah, I guess people didn't really care them.

1985
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Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, yeah, yeah, he's just sort of like a.

1986
01:32:29,200 --> 01:32:30,519
Speaker 3: Morphous dad on the ticket.

1987
01:32:30,680 --> 01:32:33,400
Speaker 1: Mike Pence was important, so it's not like it's it

1988
01:32:33,439 --> 01:32:34,600
Speaker 1: doesn't matter whatsoever.

1989
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Speaker 3: But in any case, we'll see where it goes.

1990
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Speaker 2: All right, everybody, we'll see. As we said, we'll have

1991
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Speaker 2: coverage later today, so stay tuned for that. Thank you

1992
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Speaker 2: to all of our pream subscribers. We're really appreciate it,

1993
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Speaker 2: and we'll see you all next week