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Speaker 1: Still the Place with Laura Layton, Courtney Thorn Smith.

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Speaker 2: And Daphne's Aniga and iHeartRadio podcast.

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Speaker 1: Hi guys, Hi, it's very exciting. We're very excited here today.

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Speaker 2: We're gathering the three of us with a special guest.

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Speaker 1: Very special guest because it is here. I'm so excited

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Speaker 1: about this. During this morning, I've been giddy.

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Speaker 3: I have been waiting for this moment.

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Speaker 2: I pointed out when you walked and I go, this

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Speaker 2: is the room in which you called in twice. That's

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Speaker 2: probably trying to get on our show.

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Speaker 3: I've been pestering everyone.

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Speaker 1: You think you have an end because you're married to Laura,

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Speaker 1: and yet you've been off working.

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Speaker 4: And he's been busy.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's so unpretening to you walked in. Like when

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Speaker 1: I watch the show and I'm in scenes with you,

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Speaker 1: you can see how happy I am to be in

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Speaker 1: scenes with you, and I feel that way today. I'm

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Speaker 1: so excited.

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Speaker 3: Oh that's also. I do remember laughing like uncontrollably in

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Speaker 3: what is your Apartment? I mean, and we were supposed

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Speaker 3: to be like it was part of the scene, but

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Speaker 3: then it just went to the next level, like just giggling.

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Speaker 5: Like you know what I remember Doug about you, but

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Speaker 5: that I.

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Speaker 2: Came on, you know, as we know, episode fifteen, like

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Speaker 2: two episodes away, and Doug Savant came up to me

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Speaker 2: and gave me a huge hug and was like welcome, welcome,

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Speaker 2: and that you just wanted to just make me feel

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Speaker 2: so welcome, and it really worked.

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Speaker 5: I really that was my memory of you.

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Speaker 3: I was so tired of all the other women, so

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Speaker 3: I gretful, like you just showed up and I was,

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Speaker 3: you know, I was transparent and you have.

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Speaker 2: Been that like so great to all of us and

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Speaker 2: just to have on the I just remember that vibe

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Speaker 2: on the set, like you were just always so warming.

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Speaker 5: You have a real heart energy.

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Speaker 3: Oh thank you so much. And I will say that,

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Speaker 3: and then Courtney doesn't know I'm going to say this. I,

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Speaker 3: in my very big important career, later did an episode

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Speaker 3: of According to Jim Oh Yes, and I came on

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Speaker 3: and if anyone who knows me, who knows me well,

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Speaker 3: knows four cameras probably not my thing. I'm not really

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Speaker 3: good with the joke. I was nervous, and Courtney was

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Speaker 3: as gracious and lovely and open and welcoming and made

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Speaker 3: me immediately part of that family, and which was a

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Speaker 3: big deal.

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Speaker 1: Because you're surprised because I was such a bitch on.

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Speaker 5: Did you even act? Did you act like you knew?

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 4: I did, but.

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Speaker 1: There was no eye contact. But beyond eye contact, no,

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Speaker 1: it was.

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Speaker 3: Just the ones. I mean, she didn't talk to me

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Speaker 3: the rest of the.

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Speaker 4: Week, just the one hello. That's very friendly.

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Speaker 5: What did you play on?

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Speaker 3: According to Jim Oh, we did a very You have

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Speaker 3: to go back to the Stone Age. Just when The

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Speaker 3: Bachelor was a new show on ABC. So they were

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Speaker 3: doing their Bachelor episode and I was the Bachelor and

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Speaker 3: Kimberly Williams was going on this show. My god, you

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Speaker 3: have any recollection of that?

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Speaker 1: I remember being in a limousine scene with you.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think was that a dream? I had no.

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Speaker 1: Wed a prom together? What's happening?

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Speaker 3: I don't give you a rose.

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Speaker 5: That's amazing, but yeah, that was.

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Speaker 3: I don't know if you were in I thought Kimberly

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Speaker 3: was in the limo with me.

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Speaker 1: I must have been there too for some unexplained Maybe

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Speaker 1: I was there for more.

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Speaker 4: You were just sitting a ride.

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Speaker 1: I can't You're gonna be okay, Doug?

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Speaker 4: Do you my help? Feeling comfortable?

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Speaker 5: I'll be in the limo with you. That's so funny.

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Speaker 2: But that tends to happen when you're in this business

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Speaker 2: long enough, you will work with other people like you

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Speaker 2: did and Desperate Housewives with another Melrose with Marcia.

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Speaker 3: Yes, of course, yes, so that was just you were

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Speaker 3: on that shocking and amazing yeah eight eight.

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Speaker 5: And I didn't really watched the show. Did you guys

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Speaker 5: have a lot together? You both your character?

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Speaker 3: There was no, well, we weren't a married couple. I

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Speaker 3: was married to FeliCa Huffman on the show. But and

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Speaker 3: Marcia went through a few husbands on that show.

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Speaker 4: She just want to do apparently went for a long

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Speaker 4: time in her defense.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and but we were with each other all the time,

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Speaker 3: and mean we would be at dinner parties and what

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Speaker 3: have you seens like that.

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Speaker 1: But I remember seeing you on the upfronts because I

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Speaker 1: was doing then and we were on the same network. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: and they cared a lot more about you guys than us.

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Speaker 1: And I remember being there for Moros and Alley and

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Speaker 1: I was like, we're the queen of the ball. Then

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Speaker 1: I was there you were Desperate Housewives. I was a

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Speaker 1: growing year.

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Speaker 3: I was like.

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Speaker 1: Oh, this is what it's like to be the other show.

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Speaker 3: But it happens very fast and went back when the

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Speaker 3: year that I we started on Desperate Housewives, Gray's Anatomy

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Speaker 3: was then a mid season replacement. They were mid season,

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Speaker 3: so we were at the same upfront and then oh,

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Speaker 3: I don't know, twenty two years later, they're still on

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Speaker 3: the air. It's like what, yeah, So it turns very quickly.

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Speaker 1: It does. It does as it does. It's not really

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Speaker 1: about me. It's this show I happen to be on

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Speaker 1: at any given time.

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Speaker 3: It's weird. It's never been about me, so it's.

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Speaker 5: Just before we go on.

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Speaker 2: I think that's a real lesson for our listeners who

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Speaker 2: may not be in the business.

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Speaker 5: That is a truth and a.

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Speaker 2: Hard pill that's hard to swallow because it often isn't

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Speaker 2: about you, and yet they make you feel like it is.

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Speaker 5: When you're on top, they make you feel like it is.

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Speaker 5: You get this and.

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Speaker 2: That, and you know limos in real life and dinner

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Speaker 2: parties in real life. There and then you know, if

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Speaker 2: the ratings drop or if you're like oh or whatever,

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Speaker 2: another show comes up, like Here's Anatomy like that, it

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Speaker 2: changes there. You have to hang in there and you

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Speaker 2: realize like you were a big deal in the context

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Speaker 5: You know, it's hard for.

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Speaker 2: Human being to really really it's not really about you

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Speaker 1: I took my son to New York. So I did

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Speaker 1: the upfront for years and years and years, and I

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Speaker 1: took my son to New York and I was like, Oh,

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Speaker 1: this is expensive. We will not be staying where we

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Speaker 1: used to say, we know two bedroom sweets in our future.

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Speaker 3: In New York. They stopped inviting us to upfronts after,

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Speaker 3: like there were other shows that they were just to sell.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, they'll invite limited cast, like just a couple of

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Speaker 1: I remember one year, and I'm not going to name names,

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Speaker 1: but one of your Desperate Housewives castmates, we were talking

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Speaker 1: after the party and he was really drunk and looked

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Speaker 1: very upset and he had already knew that was getting

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Speaker 1: And then I saw the show and I was like, Oh,

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Speaker 1: made him go to upfronts even now he knew he.

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Speaker 3: Was going to get killed He knew knew that, Yeah,

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Speaker 3: he knew that he was they choose him, but he

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Speaker 3: had to show up to the upfronts because so that

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Speaker 3: it appeared that we were all still.

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Speaker 1: A yes, drunk and crying there.

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Speaker 3: Found a way to find the bar.

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Speaker 1: Yeah right, you remember, this is just a quick one

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Speaker 1: about the upfronts when the cast of the practice, so

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Speaker 1: the show had gotten picked up but with a much

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Speaker 1: reduced cast, and they didn't know. So they flew the

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Speaker 1: whole cast out to the upfronts and then there was

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Speaker 1: just a blood bath and they didn't know, like, yeah,

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Speaker 1: we got picked up, Yeah, we got picked up. They

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Speaker 1: come home from the upfront and like, hey, listen, one

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Speaker 1: more thing, and like half of the cast.

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Speaker 2: That is so and by the way, so that means

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Speaker 2: again for our listeners, they used these cast members.

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Speaker 5: These you know, public figures.

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Speaker 2: They're actors that are bringing in all the numbers to

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Speaker 2: sell the show. You know, it's like a couple of

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Speaker 2: nights at a very fancy hotel and then they can them.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, like it's so.

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Speaker 1: We used to point.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, no, no, I never recommended it.

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Speaker 1: We used to think you were safe, Like I'm at

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Speaker 1: the upfronts, I'm safe. I enjoyed the party.

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Speaker 4: Do I take home the ship?

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Speaker 1: This was my last time getting free shampoo?

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Speaker 5: Or did you bring all the shampoo home.

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Speaker 3: One hundred percent of people who go to upfronts with

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Speaker 4: I mean, I think there's a show where the cast

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Speaker 4: But they did get the mileage, get back on the plane.

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Speaker 4: They did get there once.

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Speaker 1: You're not knowing they flew us out. We were on

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Speaker 1: the bubble, all right, at the top of the world.

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Speaker 1: You may know this, Laura, but we ask everybody your

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Speaker 3: I thought you might ask me, Yes, I do, I

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Speaker 3: actually remember, and h here's what I remember. The next day,

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Speaker 3: I at that time in my life, I would work

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Speaker 3: out in the morning with my what was my the

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Speaker 3: person who was my stunt double Denny Pierce, fantastic guy

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Speaker 3: just made an appearance in that episode that you guys

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Speaker 3: did the rundown before. When I, yeah, it's my stunt

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Speaker 3: double Denny. Yes, I had we met he was I mean, I.

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Speaker 5: Was one star that I didn't know. I did not

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Speaker 4: I what do you mean.

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Speaker 3: I've had the same stunt double for my career when

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Speaker 3: it's this fantastic stunt man named Denny Pearce. And so

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Speaker 3: audition from Melroe's place, and he said, how was it?

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Speaker 3: And I said to him, and he recalls this, I said,

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Speaker 3: it was everything that I hate about Hollywood. It was, well,

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Speaker 3: we auditioned at mister Spelling's office and there it was

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Speaker 3: like out of a bad B movie. There were girls

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Speaker 3: and you know, crossing, and it was every sort of

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Speaker 3: And so that's really I thought, this is awful. You know,

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Speaker 3: I was in a position in my life where I

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Speaker 3: really I needed I needed to work. So but as

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Speaker 3: you as we all know, it did work out.

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Speaker 5: It did work out.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, But that was what my initial take was. I don't,

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Speaker 3: I don't, I don't care for this.

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Speaker 3: I went. I went straight to spelling with obviously Darren

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Speaker 3: network test. Yes, I did have a network test after

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Speaker 5: I am blown away by what you're saying and.

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Speaker 3: My intention with Matt was to say, he is your son,

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Speaker 1: I was thinking of happy endings? Have you seen happy endings?

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Speaker 1: Isn't it amazing? Like they didn't know what they were

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Speaker 3: of the other elements was so I mentioned Mitchell Anderson,

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Speaker 3: who was on Party of five, Billy brockchup on NYPD

441
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Speaker 3: Blue there later.

442
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Speaker 5: In our show he was this, he was a guest this,

443
00:22:00,359 --> 00:22:04,080
Speaker 5: he was the guy who was naked. Mitchell Anderson Mitchell

444
00:22:05,320 --> 00:22:06,520
Speaker 5: show I forgot.

445
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Speaker 3: Yeah and I used to see each other all the

446
00:22:08,720 --> 00:22:10,879
Speaker 3: time when we were young guys going out, as was

447
00:22:10,960 --> 00:22:11,920
Speaker 3: Billy Moses.

448
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Speaker 1: Who you just you and I were great friends before

449
00:22:15,000 --> 00:22:15,960
Speaker 1: Merrow's place enduring.

450
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Speaker 3: Yeah, awesome, Yes, And I was going to say you

451
00:22:19,280 --> 00:22:21,439
Speaker 3: Billy Moses as someone I would see all the time too,

452
00:22:21,520 --> 00:22:23,080
Speaker 3: who you just made out with all the time, And.

453
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Speaker 1: That was just like we barely talk. You don't want

454
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Speaker 1: to learn our lines.

455
00:22:28,800 --> 00:22:32,640
Speaker 3: What was happening, but we there was. They were doing

456
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Speaker 3: a piece in Out magazine on these these gay characters

457
00:22:36,640 --> 00:22:38,640
Speaker 3: in network television after we had been on the air

458
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Speaker 3: for a while, and they interviewed me first, and I said,

459
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Speaker 3: you know, I'm not. I don't, I have never and

460
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Speaker 3: I will not tell you whether I am straight or

461
00:22:48,440 --> 00:22:50,880
Speaker 3: gay or not. And I won't. But what that did

462
00:22:51,240 --> 00:22:54,159
Speaker 3: was allow and I got calls from Billy and I

463
00:22:54,240 --> 00:22:56,760
Speaker 3: heard from Mitchell later that these were two guys who

464
00:22:56,880 --> 00:22:59,560
Speaker 3: are who happened to be gay who have since come out.

465
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Speaker 3: I I'm not outing there, they're out there. They're out there,

466
00:23:04,119 --> 00:23:06,119
Speaker 3: out in real life. They're out in real life and

467
00:23:06,760 --> 00:23:09,960
Speaker 3: who at the time, but they weren't yet comfortable coming out.

468
00:23:09,960 --> 00:23:13,000
Speaker 3: They're playing gay characters and they and so they didn't

469
00:23:13,080 --> 00:23:17,440
Speaker 3: have to answer the question. And I'm I'm proud of that,

470
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Speaker 3: and that's great.

471
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Speaker 4: I get it.

472
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Speaker 2: So they don't have to if you don't, because I

473
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Speaker 2: read Rupert Everett's book and when basically he was like

474
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Speaker 2: on top of the world, his career was going uphill,

475
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Speaker 2: and he came out or he was outed, I'm not sure,

476
00:23:36,160 --> 00:23:37,720
Speaker 2: and that was that.

477
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Speaker 5: You had a hard time ever since he wasn't cast

478
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Speaker 5: for years and you're not questioned about it, and you're

479
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Speaker 5: not in that space. You don't think about it.

480
00:23:47,920 --> 00:23:51,960
Speaker 3: No, no, no, no, you don't. But ironically, now more

481
00:23:52,000 --> 00:23:55,840
Speaker 3: than thirty years later, the tide has turned one hundred

482
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Speaker 3: and eighty degrees because we've got fantastic, wonderful actors like

483
00:24:00,040 --> 00:24:03,560
Speaker 3: Matt Boehmer who can do magic, Mike and does you know,

484
00:24:03,760 --> 00:24:06,120
Speaker 3: huge gay roles, the boys in the band, the guys

485
00:24:06,440 --> 00:24:07,520
Speaker 3: recently redid.

486
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Speaker 4: You know?

487
00:24:09,200 --> 00:24:13,520
Speaker 3: So there's all these but I cannot, I cannot and

488
00:24:13,720 --> 00:24:16,600
Speaker 3: play a gay character anymore because we're in a new

489
00:24:16,760 --> 00:24:19,840
Speaker 3: world and casting where if you are not the thing

490
00:24:20,160 --> 00:24:21,920
Speaker 3: that it is, you're not allowed to do it.

491
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Speaker 1: Well that there's a balance out. I think it's it's,

492
00:24:24,520 --> 00:24:26,360
Speaker 1: you know, the pendulum swings. But I was thinking about

493
00:24:26,400 --> 00:24:29,440
Speaker 1: Matt Boehmer because when he sort of he was already

494
00:24:29,480 --> 00:24:30,920
Speaker 1: out in his life when he came out to the world.

495
00:24:30,960 --> 00:24:33,840
Speaker 1: He just thanked his husband at an acceptance speech, and

496
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Speaker 1: I had this wave of isn't it amazing that we're

497
00:24:36,640 --> 00:24:41,639
Speaker 1: in a world where that's what he does? And everyone went, oh, interesting, okay,

498
00:24:41,960 --> 00:24:44,280
Speaker 1: and it's just like went on with our day because

499
00:24:44,400 --> 00:24:47,719
Speaker 1: so different from just different. Ninety one feels like yesterday, right,

500
00:24:47,840 --> 00:24:51,119
Speaker 1: Like you feel like that was a couple of years ago, right, No,

501
00:24:51,400 --> 00:24:54,440
Speaker 1: it was over thirty years ago. Things were so different, right,

502
00:24:54,720 --> 00:24:57,080
Speaker 1: and you kill, Wow, we really have come a long

503
00:24:57,160 --> 00:24:59,040
Speaker 1: way in this area. And I loved what you said too.

504
00:24:59,160 --> 00:25:00,879
Speaker 1: You said you wanted to play a character. And what

505
00:25:01,040 --> 00:25:03,359
Speaker 1: was good about it was it showed that nobody in

506
00:25:03,400 --> 00:25:06,720
Speaker 1: the apartment building had an opinion, like we just all

507
00:25:07,040 --> 00:25:09,320
Speaker 1: loved you, which was very and we didn't think about it,

508
00:25:09,359 --> 00:25:12,680
Speaker 1: and that was very California and Los Angeles. But I

509
00:25:12,720 --> 00:25:14,560
Speaker 1: think it was a great example to put out for

510
00:25:14,600 --> 00:25:17,399
Speaker 1: the world, which is we are all friends who happened

511
00:25:17,440 --> 00:25:18,600
Speaker 1: to have different things about it.

512
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Speaker 5: Your character before? Did the other characters know? Were you.

513
00:25:24,600 --> 00:25:24,760
Speaker 1: Well?

514
00:25:26,119 --> 00:25:29,960
Speaker 3: And I know you just I think you've recently recapped

515
00:25:30,080 --> 00:25:33,480
Speaker 3: the episode where Matt gets Gabe Ashton, and there's that

516
00:25:33,680 --> 00:25:36,440
Speaker 3: and it's it's it's the Jake character who takes me

517
00:25:36,640 --> 00:25:39,680
Speaker 3: to the hospital and we're there and someone says to him,

518
00:25:39,880 --> 00:25:42,600
Speaker 3: you know, you take your boyfriend home? And I thought, oh,

519
00:25:42,800 --> 00:25:43,840
Speaker 3: what did that have been? Great?

520
00:25:48,680 --> 00:25:51,800
Speaker 1: I wish I think though, I was curious because when

521
00:25:52,040 --> 00:25:54,400
Speaker 1: when Jake says at the moment, say take your boyfriendame

522
00:25:54,480 --> 00:25:56,959
Speaker 1: Jaco's he's not my boyfriend. And I was like, oh,

523
00:25:57,040 --> 00:25:59,480
Speaker 1: that's an interesting line. What did you think of that line,

524
00:25:59,560 --> 00:26:00,960
Speaker 1: like at the time, and what did you think of

525
00:26:01,040 --> 00:26:01,920
Speaker 1: when you watched it again.

526
00:26:02,080 --> 00:26:05,320
Speaker 3: Well, I don't recall what I thought of at the

527
00:26:05,640 --> 00:26:10,080
Speaker 3: at the moment, but I just loved that the assumption,

528
00:26:10,560 --> 00:26:14,760
Speaker 3: the assumption from the interrogation. If two guys are here

529
00:26:14,800 --> 00:26:18,159
Speaker 3: and he's saying he's gay, you're good. You're gay by association,

530
00:26:18,320 --> 00:26:18,560
Speaker 3: it is.

531
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Speaker 1: You didn't feel like because I wondered if the character

532
00:26:21,400 --> 00:26:24,960
Speaker 1: was distancing himself. Oh, Jake, yeah, watching it this time,

533
00:26:25,000 --> 00:26:26,680
Speaker 1: I thought, is that what that line? I like?

534
00:26:26,800 --> 00:26:28,240
Speaker 5: How grand it though?

535
00:26:30,560 --> 00:26:34,120
Speaker 2: Like he didn't move away, he just said, that's an assumption.

536
00:26:34,560 --> 00:26:37,320
Speaker 2: You're wrong and I'm not so how my friend and I.

537
00:26:37,320 --> 00:26:39,960
Speaker 3: Didn't judge it, And I think I think Matt was

538
00:26:40,280 --> 00:26:44,480
Speaker 3: is and that we all should be like not easily offended,

539
00:26:44,680 --> 00:26:46,840
Speaker 3: like he wasn't looking for Jake. Jake had done them

540
00:26:46,920 --> 00:26:49,320
Speaker 3: the solid the fact he goes, we're not that's I'm

541
00:26:49,359 --> 00:26:52,159
Speaker 3: not his boyfriend. That was like, you, no, he's not.

542
00:26:52,359 --> 00:26:53,919
Speaker 3: That's the truth, And I'm not going to be offended.

543
00:26:54,000 --> 00:26:55,320
Speaker 5: That's what you're going to say. I thought we all

544
00:26:55,359 --> 00:26:56,720
Speaker 5: should be have a crush.

545
00:26:56,480 --> 00:26:59,080
Speaker 4: On Jake's That's what I said.

546
00:26:59,240 --> 00:27:01,960
Speaker 5: We all did, that's what we.

547
00:27:06,600 --> 00:27:06,719
Speaker 3: Did.

548
00:27:06,840 --> 00:27:09,520
Speaker 4: Just finish this recap for episode thirteen, and we started

549
00:27:09,560 --> 00:27:13,520
Speaker 4: to talk about it. And when we were doing the recap,

550
00:27:13,760 --> 00:27:17,040
Speaker 4: and in my defense, I was like suffering from the flu.

551
00:27:17,119 --> 00:27:22,200
Speaker 4: I was completely twitterious last week. But we mentioned an article.

552
00:27:22,280 --> 00:27:25,720
Speaker 4: There was an LA Times article that was written about

553
00:27:25,800 --> 00:27:28,960
Speaker 4: this moment because episode thirteen was very important episode for

554
00:27:29,000 --> 00:27:33,880
Speaker 4: our show Sweeps week, and an LA Times writer named

555
00:27:34,040 --> 00:27:40,000
Speaker 4: Daniel Sarone wrote this article and here's what you don't know.

556
00:27:40,080 --> 00:27:42,400
Speaker 4: And I failed to mention my delirium last week. He's

557
00:27:42,480 --> 00:27:45,040
Speaker 4: a good friend of ours. We weren't friends back then,

558
00:27:45,200 --> 00:27:47,359
Speaker 4: but like it's this weird full circle.

559
00:27:47,480 --> 00:27:48,640
Speaker 5: Oh you weren't friends back then?

560
00:27:48,760 --> 00:27:53,359
Speaker 4: No, it goes back back and we were having this

561
00:27:53,400 --> 00:27:55,320
Speaker 4: conversation a few months back. I think I even mentioned

562
00:27:55,320 --> 00:27:56,639
Speaker 4: it to you guys, like, oh my god, I have

563
00:27:56,720 --> 00:27:58,879
Speaker 4: this great article from the nineties that I need to

564
00:27:59,520 --> 00:28:01,639
Speaker 4: bring up when we get to that episode. And then

565
00:28:01,760 --> 00:28:03,359
Speaker 4: here it was, and then I've forgotten that episode.

566
00:28:03,400 --> 00:28:06,520
Speaker 1: But Laura's defense literally as she was going farther and

567
00:28:06,560 --> 00:28:09,159
Speaker 1: farther down by the end of it, lying on the couch.

568
00:28:10,680 --> 00:28:13,320
Speaker 4: You may not have seen it or heard it on

569
00:28:13,400 --> 00:28:13,880
Speaker 4: the podcast.

570
00:28:14,040 --> 00:28:18,840
Speaker 5: I was I realized what a fainting couch was, as

571
00:28:19,000 --> 00:28:20,800
Speaker 5: go on, you're such a pro, I will do this

572
00:28:21,200 --> 00:28:21,960
Speaker 5: from ning up.

573
00:28:22,600 --> 00:28:26,320
Speaker 4: And yeah, but this he was talking about like they

574
00:28:26,400 --> 00:28:29,199
Speaker 4: had not been writing for the character of Matt yet.

575
00:28:29,280 --> 00:28:33,280
Speaker 4: And then when it was time for this episode that

576
00:28:33,400 --> 00:28:36,639
Speaker 4: the that the most comfortable storyline the network could find

577
00:28:36,840 --> 00:28:39,920
Speaker 4: that everybody could sign off on was this gay bashing.

578
00:28:40,000 --> 00:28:43,920
Speaker 4: There were very limited storylines that that the network would

579
00:28:43,920 --> 00:28:47,480
Speaker 4: be comfortable with because the advertisers were only comfortable sort

580
00:28:47,480 --> 00:28:49,400
Speaker 4: of touching on certain things. And one of them was

581
00:28:49,920 --> 00:28:52,360
Speaker 4: the gay bashing, and the other was, you know, a

582
00:28:52,440 --> 00:28:55,760
Speaker 4: kid coming out to his parents and that awkward conversation whatever.

583
00:28:55,840 --> 00:28:58,680
Speaker 4: And and Daniel at the time it was just, you know,

584
00:28:58,800 --> 00:29:03,320
Speaker 4: he noticed it that this was, you know, something that

585
00:29:03,640 --> 00:29:07,440
Speaker 4: wasn't being addressed and then here Melrose was doing it

586
00:29:07,480 --> 00:29:09,760
Speaker 4: in this episode. Yeah, and were you Were you conscious

587
00:29:09,760 --> 00:29:12,040
Speaker 4: of that, like when you started into that storyline where

588
00:29:12,040 --> 00:29:15,800
Speaker 4: you're like, oh, this is like where you get interviews after?

589
00:29:16,240 --> 00:29:17,240
Speaker 5: Did you get a questions?

590
00:29:17,720 --> 00:29:20,960
Speaker 3: Yeah? We were. I was called doing press around around

591
00:29:21,080 --> 00:29:26,400
Speaker 3: the around the episode, and and I kind of I knew.

592
00:29:26,520 --> 00:29:28,360
Speaker 3: I just felt that that was going to be a

593
00:29:28,400 --> 00:29:30,440
Speaker 3: storyline that was coming at some point. It was sort

594
00:29:30,440 --> 00:29:33,080
Speaker 3: of an inevitability because it was a very real thing

595
00:29:33,120 --> 00:29:34,800
Speaker 3: as well, and I think Daniel mentions that in the

596
00:29:34,880 --> 00:29:37,720
Speaker 3: article as well. It's not that it wasn't real, it's

597
00:29:37,920 --> 00:29:40,960
Speaker 3: just that that is what the networks felt safe dealing

598
00:29:41,040 --> 00:29:44,280
Speaker 3: with that and coming out and parents and that. But

599
00:29:44,480 --> 00:29:47,800
Speaker 3: we did some great things we did. You know, I

600
00:29:47,920 --> 00:29:50,840
Speaker 3: ended up on the show. I think it's ironic that

601
00:29:51,000 --> 00:29:53,800
Speaker 3: my my boyfriend on the show is Jason Bigey. But

602
00:29:53,960 --> 00:29:58,800
Speaker 3: now it was like he's on Chicago, Jason like this

603
00:29:58,960 --> 00:30:02,280
Speaker 3: the whole time. But so that's my shout out to Jason.

604
00:30:02,840 --> 00:30:04,760
Speaker 1: Didn't show any affection on the show.

605
00:30:05,360 --> 00:30:07,520
Speaker 3: No, no, no, no, never with him?

606
00:30:07,600 --> 00:30:08,200
Speaker 5: Could you know?

607
00:30:08,360 --> 00:30:13,200
Speaker 3: We we I think we surreptitiously we surreptitiously held hands

608
00:30:13,320 --> 00:30:14,720
Speaker 3: underneath the table. I think there might have been a

609
00:30:14,760 --> 00:30:17,320
Speaker 3: shot of us actually holding hands, but that had to

610
00:30:17,400 --> 00:30:19,680
Speaker 3: be away from public consumption because by the way, he

611
00:30:19,800 --> 00:30:21,680
Speaker 3: was in the military, and that was our storyline, right,

612
00:30:21,720 --> 00:30:28,480
Speaker 3: it was don't ask, don't tell clever. Actually there were yeah, there, yeah,

613
00:30:28,560 --> 00:30:31,560
Speaker 3: it was. It was always tricky. I will say there

614
00:30:31,640 --> 00:30:35,200
Speaker 3: was an actor I was working with who wasn't as

615
00:30:35,240 --> 00:30:40,400
Speaker 3: comfortable that he was playing someone who is uh gay,

616
00:30:41,200 --> 00:30:45,800
Speaker 3: and I wanted in an effort to show that Matt

617
00:30:46,120 --> 00:30:50,960
Speaker 3: was behaving with this with this character in a way

618
00:30:51,000 --> 00:30:54,640
Speaker 3: that he wasn't like, against his better judgment. I wanted

619
00:30:54,720 --> 00:30:57,240
Speaker 3: him to steal a kiss at work, like look around,

620
00:30:57,320 --> 00:30:59,760
Speaker 3: make sure no one was looking, but kiss this guy

621
00:30:59,760 --> 00:31:01,640
Speaker 3: in the cheek, just just a peck on the cheek.

622
00:31:02,200 --> 00:31:05,760
Speaker 3: And this other actor was so uncomfortable with like that's

623
00:31:05,800 --> 00:31:08,360
Speaker 3: not in the script, that we're not doing that, and

624
00:31:08,520 --> 00:31:11,800
Speaker 3: he was so uncomfortable with it. I sort of found

625
00:31:11,880 --> 00:31:16,400
Speaker 3: that that that that shocking. So it was a different

626
00:31:16,480 --> 00:31:20,320
Speaker 3: It was a different time, and not everyone was as comfortable.

627
00:31:20,120 --> 00:31:27,480
Speaker 2: With I mean famously, actors, especially like kind of macho actors,

628
00:31:27,920 --> 00:31:33,000
Speaker 2: uh had to stay in the public syde macho and

629
00:31:33,200 --> 00:31:36,000
Speaker 2: straight and even like womanizers, do you know what I mean? Like,

630
00:31:36,120 --> 00:31:39,320
Speaker 2: there's no way they could be absolutely because is it

631
00:31:39,400 --> 00:31:44,200
Speaker 2: because Aaron thought that the audience wouldn't buy it? Like

632
00:31:44,360 --> 00:31:47,640
Speaker 2: I'm well now I remember it was it was different.

633
00:31:47,720 --> 00:31:50,320
Speaker 3: It was no, it was to make It was about palatability.

634
00:31:50,480 --> 00:31:53,840
Speaker 3: They wanted the character to be palatable, and so if

635
00:31:53,880 --> 00:31:56,960
Speaker 3: they could say that, well, the actor is really straight,

636
00:31:57,040 --> 00:32:01,040
Speaker 3: he's just acting, then it became less real to them.

637
00:32:01,840 --> 00:32:03,800
Speaker 3: But in the defense of like the actor that I

638
00:32:03,960 --> 00:32:06,560
Speaker 3: just said, and anyone that had any objection to me

639
00:32:06,880 --> 00:32:09,800
Speaker 3: playing the role to begin with, it was a very

640
00:32:09,920 --> 00:32:12,520
Speaker 3: real thing. The business didn't cut into it, and it

641
00:32:12,640 --> 00:32:14,920
Speaker 3: was an issue for me going forward, and so much

642
00:32:15,000 --> 00:32:20,360
Speaker 3: so that I had an executive who who told me, yeah,

643
00:32:20,680 --> 00:32:24,560
Speaker 3: we need to let the gay thing go, you know,

644
00:32:24,680 --> 00:32:26,760
Speaker 3: but we need a more time to let that gay thing,

645
00:32:26,920 --> 00:32:27,080
Speaker 3: you know.

646
00:32:27,280 --> 00:32:29,640
Speaker 5: Oh, like they wouldn't see you for a part, they wouldn't.

647
00:32:29,400 --> 00:32:35,200
Speaker 3: Hire you to He was the FX Network and that

648
00:32:35,360 --> 00:32:37,440
Speaker 3: was his His advice to me was that I should

649
00:32:37,480 --> 00:32:40,280
Speaker 3: go get one of those Sun Dance movies, like I

650
00:32:40,320 --> 00:32:41,760
Speaker 3: could snap my fingers and do that.

651
00:32:45,040 --> 00:32:47,040
Speaker 1: Ironically to pick up Jack till three.

652
00:32:49,560 --> 00:32:53,520
Speaker 3: One of those independent movies. But ironically after the show,

653
00:32:53,880 --> 00:32:57,040
Speaker 3: and it still took time because I immediately upon leaving

654
00:32:57,160 --> 00:33:00,920
Speaker 3: the show, I went and did the movie Godzilla with

655
00:33:01,120 --> 00:33:03,680
Speaker 3: Matthew Broderick and those and so it was a big

656
00:33:04,480 --> 00:33:09,080
Speaker 3: feature film and I was a straight character, but coming

657
00:33:09,440 --> 00:33:12,520
Speaker 3: into houses for five years every day saying Hi, I'm

658
00:33:12,560 --> 00:33:15,800
Speaker 3: mad and I'm gay. Hi. I mean, that's what the

659
00:33:16,320 --> 00:33:18,520
Speaker 3: you know, That's what I was left with. But as

660
00:33:18,600 --> 00:33:21,760
Speaker 3: I said earlier and I will say again still thirty

661
00:33:21,800 --> 00:33:25,600
Speaker 3: years later, it's a huge blessing in my life that

662
00:33:25,720 --> 00:33:28,200
Speaker 3: I people still come up to me and reference it.

663
00:33:28,520 --> 00:33:30,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, and because of how you did it, Because you

664
00:33:30,920 --> 00:33:33,520
Speaker 1: did it integrity of your heart. That's why that's amazing,

665
00:33:34,920 --> 00:33:37,000
Speaker 1: And it's crazy to think about now, Like that's one

666
00:33:37,000 --> 00:33:38,640
Speaker 1: of the things we keep as we look at issues

667
00:33:38,680 --> 00:33:40,800
Speaker 1: that we dealt with and how we dealt with them, like, wow,

668
00:33:40,880 --> 00:33:43,760
Speaker 1: that feels like yesterday, but things are so different. And

669
00:33:43,880 --> 00:33:46,600
Speaker 1: that's an area where progress has been in the right directions,

670
00:33:46,640 --> 00:33:49,680
Speaker 1: the two steps forward, one step back. But really we've

671
00:33:49,760 --> 00:33:51,160
Speaker 1: come a long way, and we have.

672
00:33:51,360 --> 00:33:54,520
Speaker 3: But I think you ladies dealt with it much more

673
00:33:54,560 --> 00:33:57,040
Speaker 3: frequently than guys ever did because you know you were

674
00:33:57,040 --> 00:33:59,480
Speaker 3: always either being victimized. You know, I'm sure as you

675
00:33:59,600 --> 00:34:01,840
Speaker 3: go through the the episode, you remember how many people

676
00:34:01,840 --> 00:34:02,520
Speaker 3: you know what you are.

677
00:34:02,520 --> 00:34:05,479
Speaker 2: Thinkingting, Well, I say it because I've looked at all

678
00:34:05,560 --> 00:34:08,680
Speaker 2: of them and over the last four years or whatever,

679
00:34:09,360 --> 00:34:11,360
Speaker 2: I say it as this and maybe you guys have

680
00:34:11,400 --> 00:34:15,280
Speaker 2: another take on it. The go to the default drama

681
00:34:15,640 --> 00:34:19,879
Speaker 2: storyline is to hurt the woman, like threaten the woman,

682
00:34:20,160 --> 00:34:25,120
Speaker 2: hurt the woman, overpower her and somehow or other, because

683
00:34:25,239 --> 00:34:29,800
Speaker 2: all of our female characters were victimized somehow, right, So,

684
00:34:30,000 --> 00:34:32,239
Speaker 2: whether it was physical, emotional.

685
00:34:31,960 --> 00:34:35,840
Speaker 5: Threatened all of us women in jeopardy and women in Jeopardy.

686
00:34:35,920 --> 00:34:37,720
Speaker 5: So I think that's changed.

687
00:34:37,760 --> 00:34:40,200
Speaker 2: But like, aren't there any other storylines that can be

688
00:34:40,360 --> 00:34:41,680
Speaker 2: dramatic and interesting?

689
00:34:42,040 --> 00:34:43,480
Speaker 5: It was so common back then.

690
00:34:43,800 --> 00:34:46,759
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, I think that was emblematic at the time.

691
00:34:46,880 --> 00:34:48,520
Speaker 4: I think you were absolutely Yeah, And it was also

692
00:34:48,640 --> 00:34:50,000
Speaker 4: I mean you sort of touched on it, but like

693
00:34:50,160 --> 00:34:52,640
Speaker 4: it was, it was also a matter of the advertisers

694
00:34:53,320 --> 00:34:56,960
Speaker 4: being comfortable with it because they had withdrawn from other shows.

695
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Speaker 3: Oh, you make Law makes that one of the most

696
00:35:00,040 --> 00:35:03,280
Speaker 3: salient points. What were what our audience, what the listening

697
00:35:03,320 --> 00:35:05,879
Speaker 3: audience needs to remember is this was a time when

698
00:35:05,880 --> 00:35:09,560
Speaker 3: there was something called the Christian Coalition and the Moral Majority,

699
00:35:10,040 --> 00:35:13,000
Speaker 3: and they if you don't remember those two things, they

700
00:35:14,560 --> 00:35:17,320
Speaker 3: would watch something on television and if they didn't like it,

701
00:35:17,400 --> 00:35:22,080
Speaker 3: if it didn't meet what their moral agenda and standards

702
00:35:22,120 --> 00:35:25,520
Speaker 3: were for the country, they would do letter writing campaigns

703
00:35:25,560 --> 00:35:29,000
Speaker 3: to the advertisers, and all of a sudden, advertisers would

704
00:35:29,000 --> 00:35:32,360
Speaker 3: pull their their ads from those shows. And that was

705
00:35:32,560 --> 00:35:35,879
Speaker 3: the threat of Maloe's place. And that was and thank

706
00:35:35,920 --> 00:35:41,000
Speaker 3: you for referencing this, because Darren mister Spelling. Fox Network

707
00:35:41,320 --> 00:35:46,239
Speaker 3: should be applauded that they, in the face of that

708
00:35:47,120 --> 00:35:50,399
Speaker 3: still went forward with this character in the in those

709
00:35:50,480 --> 00:35:52,640
Speaker 3: times and took it head on.

710
00:35:52,840 --> 00:35:55,879
Speaker 1: You know, we didn't call that cancel culture, but that's

711
00:35:55,920 --> 00:35:56,480
Speaker 1: what that was.

712
00:35:56,719 --> 00:36:00,480
Speaker 3: It really absolutely and wow, it was absolutely so that

713
00:36:00,800 --> 00:36:04,480
Speaker 3: was very real. So all of these dynamics were at

714
00:36:04,640 --> 00:36:08,120
Speaker 3: play and it was, uh, it made it treacherous for

715
00:36:08,320 --> 00:36:12,359
Speaker 3: the network and they really did me in some way.

716
00:36:12,640 --> 00:36:14,960
Speaker 3: But you know, really what happened with me, and you

717
00:36:15,120 --> 00:36:18,600
Speaker 3: remember this is that really they you know, the fallout

718
00:36:18,680 --> 00:36:21,719
Speaker 3: was they just don't use him. I just wasn't around much.

719
00:36:21,800 --> 00:36:23,759
Speaker 1: Do you remember I told this to tell it again.

720
00:36:23,840 --> 00:36:25,640
Speaker 1: One time Doug came to work and you had a

721
00:36:25,719 --> 00:36:28,759
Speaker 1: paper sign around his neck and it said, Hi, I'm Doug.

722
00:36:28,960 --> 00:36:29,680
Speaker 1: I play Matt.

723
00:36:31,080 --> 00:36:34,279
Speaker 3: This was after Christia our Dolly Grip and everyone. They

724
00:36:34,320 --> 00:36:36,759
Speaker 3: had taken tumbleweeds and put them in front of MAT's door.

725
00:36:38,120 --> 00:36:47,759
Speaker 3: I did. I had Mara Wilson who played my Yeah,

726
00:36:49,440 --> 00:36:52,719
Speaker 3: she was the nineties. Really was she. I adored her.

727
00:36:52,800 --> 00:36:56,960
Speaker 3: I adored her mom who passed and uh, but she's uh.

728
00:36:57,280 --> 00:37:02,719
Speaker 3: She's a lovely woman. Was an author, I believe, a

729
00:37:02,840 --> 00:37:04,040
Speaker 3: successful author.

730
00:37:03,840 --> 00:37:04,640
Speaker 2: And she was.

731
00:37:04,960 --> 00:37:05,879
Speaker 3: She was a great kid.

732
00:37:06,280 --> 00:37:10,520
Speaker 2: She's the child in Misdoubt Fires and many other and

733
00:37:10,760 --> 00:37:13,160
Speaker 2: she's a child in an episode coming up in your storyline.

734
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Speaker 4: I love that you counted her as a roommate. Well,

735
00:37:18,160 --> 00:37:19,760
Speaker 4: I think you were her like guardian.

736
00:37:20,680 --> 00:37:21,480
Speaker 5: She was her roommate.

737
00:37:21,560 --> 00:37:23,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I became her.

738
00:37:24,040 --> 00:37:25,799
Speaker 1: If I thought of my son as a roommate, I've

739
00:37:25,840 --> 00:37:30,080
Speaker 1: have much higher expectations for him doing dishes, boundaries, very uneaven,

740
00:37:30,200 --> 00:37:32,200
Speaker 1: I do waigh too much of the cooking and by

741
00:37:32,239 --> 00:37:33,879
Speaker 1: the way, all the laundry. How did that happen?

742
00:37:38,200 --> 00:37:39,760
Speaker 4: You also sort of touched on it for a second

743
00:37:39,880 --> 00:37:44,000
Speaker 4: that that the idea that it hasn't you haven't been

744
00:37:44,040 --> 00:37:47,160
Speaker 4: able to shake it, like in your career and you

745
00:37:47,320 --> 00:37:51,480
Speaker 4: personally like still to this day, people just make assumptions like, oh,

746
00:37:52,400 --> 00:37:56,919
Speaker 4: Matt and Sydney or how does that what like Laura

747
00:37:57,000 --> 00:37:59,360
Speaker 4: and Dougara May what I thought Matt was like that

748
00:37:59,760 --> 00:38:04,160
Speaker 4: some is just still this many years later people, Well, people.

749
00:38:03,960 --> 00:38:06,799
Speaker 3: Made that assumption about Laura too. Let me. I like, well, yeah,

750
00:38:07,080 --> 00:38:10,640
Speaker 3: the story, well, yes, and.

751
00:38:11,000 --> 00:38:13,799
Speaker 4: So I was having to do married the gay guy.

752
00:38:14,880 --> 00:38:22,359
Speaker 3: Yeah, so I was having an ankle surgery. It's having

753
00:38:22,400 --> 00:38:27,279
Speaker 3: an ankle fusion, and we weren't yet married, and I don't,

754
00:38:27,520 --> 00:38:31,000
Speaker 3: I don't, we might we were probably engaged. And uh

755
00:38:31,320 --> 00:38:34,279
Speaker 3: so Laura was at the hospital waiting for me after

756
00:38:34,360 --> 00:38:37,399
Speaker 3: surgery and in the room afterwards, and when I came

757
00:38:37,480 --> 00:38:40,880
Speaker 3: to there was a nurse at my bench. I said, well,

758
00:38:40,920 --> 00:38:43,279
Speaker 3: I wasn't going to leave you because I was going

759
00:38:43,320 --> 00:38:46,000
Speaker 3: to leave you with her because she's going to do

760
00:38:46,080 --> 00:38:46,720
Speaker 3: something evil.

761
00:38:50,960 --> 00:38:52,880
Speaker 4: And I'm I'm right here, I'm in.

762
00:38:55,200 --> 00:39:01,000
Speaker 5: That I'm doing in my pink with the matching pill box.

763
00:39:01,120 --> 00:39:04,759
Speaker 4: Yeah, you think that's weird? What is weird about that?

764
00:39:04,960 --> 00:39:06,040
Speaker 5: You were very convincing.

765
00:39:06,160 --> 00:39:10,239
Speaker 1: I have to say, that's amazing that's like something from

766
00:39:10,239 --> 00:39:12,880
Speaker 1: the movie Misery, Like that's brilliant.

767
00:39:13,120 --> 00:39:15,000
Speaker 4: Yeah, she was really concerned I was going to do

768
00:39:15,080 --> 00:39:19,759
Speaker 4: something bad boy. Yeah, but even more harmless assumptions like that,

769
00:39:19,920 --> 00:39:22,680
Speaker 4: they're like, what like just seeing us at dinner, They're like, wow,

770
00:39:23,480 --> 00:39:27,040
Speaker 4: you know, it's just something that for this many years,

771
00:39:27,920 --> 00:39:30,680
Speaker 4: people are still associating assault with these characters.

772
00:39:30,719 --> 00:39:32,279
Speaker 2: I mean people when they see you, if they don't

773
00:39:32,320 --> 00:39:34,359
Speaker 2: know you, they think of the character that they think

774
00:39:34,400 --> 00:39:36,160
Speaker 2: of you used to have. So that's kind of like

775
00:39:37,320 --> 00:39:39,040
Speaker 2: you have done a lot of different things that I know, well,

776
00:39:39,080 --> 00:39:40,520
Speaker 2: they still think of you as Melo's Place.

777
00:39:40,600 --> 00:39:40,919
Speaker 3: You said.

778
00:39:41,040 --> 00:39:43,560
Speaker 1: It's like if anybody says I know you from somewhere,

779
00:39:43,560 --> 00:39:45,400
Speaker 1: I just say Melrose Place to cut. I used to

780
00:39:45,520 --> 00:39:47,920
Speaker 1: like go the other way and list everything, but it

781
00:39:47,960 --> 00:39:49,880
Speaker 1: was always it was always Melrose Place anyway, So I

782
00:39:49,960 --> 00:39:53,200
Speaker 1: just go Melro's place, Oh all right, and then oh.

783
00:39:53,239 --> 00:39:56,040
Speaker 3: I had a crew member. This has happened more than

784
00:39:56,080 --> 00:39:58,560
Speaker 3: once where people go, oh, yeah, you were on that.

785
00:39:59,360 --> 00:40:03,759
Speaker 3: Yeah you know, I really like that Sydney. I thought

786
00:40:03,800 --> 00:40:14,680
Speaker 3: she was hot me too, that's my wife. And then uh, backstroke.

787
00:40:17,000 --> 00:40:18,840
Speaker 1: I told the story like when I would have boyfriends

788
00:40:18,880 --> 00:40:20,640
Speaker 1: on Zet and Andrew and I were dating in secret.

789
00:40:20,760 --> 00:40:22,440
Speaker 1: They would say to him, I think Courtney has the

790
00:40:22,480 --> 00:40:29,200
Speaker 1: hots for me, and he'd be like, really, say.

791
00:40:29,080 --> 00:40:29,560
Speaker 3: Such a thing.

792
00:40:29,719 --> 00:40:32,600
Speaker 1: You'd be surprised. Probably every guest are they brought on

793
00:40:32,760 --> 00:40:38,560
Speaker 1: for me? Maybe I just sort of put Doug saying

794
00:40:38,600 --> 00:40:40,279
Speaker 1: to Laura, I think Courtney has the hots for me.

795
00:40:42,560 --> 00:40:45,520
Speaker 2: It's so funny, like watching the shows now and the

796
00:40:45,600 --> 00:40:49,279
Speaker 2: episodes and hearing how what was going on behind the

797
00:40:49,320 --> 00:40:53,840
Speaker 2: screen with these two with Andrew and Courtney versus what

798
00:40:53,960 --> 00:40:56,880
Speaker 2: was going on with Billy and Alison, you know, with

799
00:40:56,960 --> 00:40:58,840
Speaker 2: their dating and when they broke up, and.

800
00:40:59,200 --> 00:41:01,360
Speaker 4: Right because she's really she's giving us a timeline. She's like,

801
00:41:01,480 --> 00:41:02,279
Speaker 4: right about now.

802
00:41:07,680 --> 00:41:08,439
Speaker 5: It's really fun.

803
00:41:09,040 --> 00:41:15,279
Speaker 3: I just enjoyed remembering Andrew Shoe, who you know, it's

804
00:41:15,400 --> 00:41:19,960
Speaker 3: always been just the most humble, gentle soul and uh

805
00:41:21,320 --> 00:41:24,000
Speaker 3: coming to work and showing up in a Porsche at

806
00:41:24,160 --> 00:41:26,960
Speaker 3: nine forty four, was it right? He got he got

807
00:41:27,040 --> 00:41:30,279
Speaker 3: a Porsche, a used one, he was used, yeah, but

808
00:41:31,239 --> 00:41:31,839
Speaker 3: yeah yeah.

809
00:41:32,360 --> 00:41:34,040
Speaker 1: And by the way, when he's driving his Porsche, he

810
00:41:34,120 --> 00:41:36,880
Speaker 1: still had he still had four roommates, so he was

811
00:41:36,960 --> 00:41:39,200
Speaker 1: like to Glamour's life and I would go to his

812
00:41:39,360 --> 00:41:42,520
Speaker 1: house with him and his four roommates, and it was

813
00:41:42,640 --> 00:41:44,719
Speaker 1: just I was like, good, I never got to go

814
00:41:44,760 --> 00:41:45,120
Speaker 1: to college.

815
00:41:45,160 --> 00:41:47,880
Speaker 5: This is fun in his college door kind.

816
00:41:47,719 --> 00:41:50,359
Speaker 1: Of like with like furniture they found and they were

817
00:41:50,400 --> 00:41:52,240
Speaker 1: just bringing bad smells.

818
00:41:53,640 --> 00:41:55,320
Speaker 5: They never have to be a car and they have

819
00:41:55,440 --> 00:41:57,240
Speaker 5: beers in the fridge.

820
00:41:58,920 --> 00:41:59,920
Speaker 1: It was fascinating.

821
00:42:00,080 --> 00:42:07,040
Speaker 4: That's amazing. So we had fans ask about Desperate. So

822
00:42:07,200 --> 00:42:11,840
Speaker 4: Desperate Housewives also ran for eight seasons, which is nuts

823
00:42:11,880 --> 00:42:14,359
Speaker 4: because we think of Melrose as like, wow, we were

824
00:42:14,960 --> 00:42:18,360
Speaker 4: so lucky to have a long running series for five seasons,

825
00:42:18,960 --> 00:42:20,920
Speaker 4: and then the show went on for seven, and then

826
00:42:21,040 --> 00:42:23,320
Speaker 4: Desperate went on for eight, and then you've had another.

827
00:42:23,800 --> 00:42:25,760
Speaker 4: The Courtneys had an show for five seasons.

828
00:42:25,920 --> 00:42:26,800
Speaker 3: Courtney's had.

829
00:42:28,480 --> 00:42:33,160
Speaker 1: Too went Melrose went seven years. We just left it

830
00:42:33,280 --> 00:42:35,759
Speaker 1: four right, five? Right, I'm sorry we left.

831
00:42:35,840 --> 00:42:39,719
Speaker 5: And yeah, so Desperate Housewives came on. When did that

832
00:42:39,800 --> 00:42:40,000
Speaker 5: come on?

833
00:42:40,080 --> 00:42:40,680
Speaker 1: What were those years?

834
00:42:40,760 --> 00:42:41,640
Speaker 5: Was it two thousands?

835
00:42:41,840 --> 00:42:45,000
Speaker 3: It was two thousand and four to twenty and twelve, Yeah,

836
00:42:45,040 --> 00:42:49,560
Speaker 3: two thousand and four to twenty twelve, And yeah, I loved.

837
00:42:50,200 --> 00:42:51,600
Speaker 1: Was that as happy as set.

838
00:42:53,680 --> 00:42:58,080
Speaker 3: Come on? I wanted to use I wanted to use it.

839
00:42:58,600 --> 00:43:03,760
Speaker 3: Still the place so you expose all of the dirty

840
00:43:03,840 --> 00:43:05,200
Speaker 3: laundry on Desperate.

841
00:43:04,880 --> 00:43:08,279
Speaker 4: House consider the answer. I can't play.

842
00:43:08,560 --> 00:43:11,520
Speaker 3: You know, I said it before we started. I'm a guy.

843
00:43:11,560 --> 00:43:14,680
Speaker 3: I don't care. No, it wasn't always sometimes a very

844
00:43:14,719 --> 00:43:19,280
Speaker 3: dysfunctional place, but never when I was there with Felicity Huffman,

845
00:43:19,400 --> 00:43:22,279
Speaker 3: she and I we always had a brilliant time. I

846
00:43:22,360 --> 00:43:24,239
Speaker 3: still adore her to this day. I hope she says

847
00:43:24,239 --> 00:43:29,520
Speaker 3: the same about me. But Noah, I loved it. I

848
00:43:30,040 --> 00:43:32,480
Speaker 3: have said I had difficult days. I had challenging days,

849
00:43:32,520 --> 00:43:34,160
Speaker 3: but I never had a bad day on time.

850
00:43:34,560 --> 00:43:36,759
Speaker 2: That's great on Desperate housewise, But we were trying to

851
00:43:36,800 --> 00:43:39,160
Speaker 2: think because people always assume, because of our storylines on

852
00:43:39,239 --> 00:43:42,400
Speaker 2: Maulow's Place, that we had a lot of back stage,

853
00:43:42,640 --> 00:43:46,120
Speaker 2: behind the scenes drama, you know, like in our interviews

854
00:43:46,160 --> 00:43:48,200
Speaker 2: in mine anyway, that's what they would ask, Well, what

855
00:43:48,840 --> 00:43:53,000
Speaker 2: was behind and you know, I mean, we're I can't

856
00:43:53,040 --> 00:43:54,680
Speaker 2: think of it, really, we can't think of it. We

857
00:43:54,840 --> 00:43:57,480
Speaker 2: talk about how and why we wanted to do this podcast.

858
00:43:57,640 --> 00:44:00,359
Speaker 5: Was like we realized, like we all really got long

859
00:44:00,560 --> 00:44:03,279
Speaker 5: and there wasn't a lot of right.

860
00:44:03,640 --> 00:44:05,800
Speaker 4: Maybe we like each other, we like going down that

861
00:44:05,880 --> 00:44:06,480
Speaker 4: memory lane.

862
00:44:06,840 --> 00:44:10,839
Speaker 2: I remember in the makeup uh trailer there, I was like, oh,

863
00:44:11,360 --> 00:44:12,560
Speaker 2: I need to be in the makeup trailer.

864
00:44:12,560 --> 00:44:14,239
Speaker 5: You know, Heather would come in and do hers and

865
00:44:14,320 --> 00:44:16,360
Speaker 5: I'm like, can you use that color? What color is

866
00:44:16,400 --> 00:44:16,759
Speaker 5: she using?

867
00:44:16,920 --> 00:44:18,319
Speaker 2: But you know it's like a little bit like, oh,

868
00:44:18,440 --> 00:44:20,680
Speaker 2: I want to be you know, because there's like five

869
00:44:20,760 --> 00:44:22,879
Speaker 2: of us or six of us or seven of us women,

870
00:44:23,160 --> 00:44:24,719
Speaker 2: and so I wanted to make sure I was getting

871
00:44:24,840 --> 00:44:27,440
Speaker 2: enough of Like I come out in my hair is

872
00:44:27,480 --> 00:44:27,759
Speaker 2: this high?

873
00:44:27,760 --> 00:44:30,960
Speaker 5: I'm like, maybe it's too hot. But there wasn't real

874
00:44:31,800 --> 00:44:33,480
Speaker 5: you know, Yeah, I don't.

875
00:44:33,560 --> 00:44:36,200
Speaker 3: I don't recall John on our set until Jack Wagner, right,

876
00:44:38,520 --> 00:44:39,319
Speaker 3: My favorite.

877
00:44:39,840 --> 00:44:41,919
Speaker 1: Guys about the makeup trailer because a lot of shows,

878
00:44:41,920 --> 00:44:44,200
Speaker 1: when the shows get successful, people get makeup done in

879
00:44:44,239 --> 00:44:45,960
Speaker 1: the room where they separate or like Heather came in.

880
00:44:46,400 --> 00:44:48,279
Speaker 1: She was a very big star, like she could have

881
00:44:48,320 --> 00:44:51,800
Speaker 1: separated herself. She walked right and waited her turn like

882
00:44:51,880 --> 00:44:53,480
Speaker 1: we all hung out and talked.

883
00:44:53,960 --> 00:44:56,040
Speaker 4: She was her favorite place to be for that.

884
00:44:56,360 --> 00:44:59,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, like we had favored nations in our trailers, like

885
00:44:59,600 --> 00:45:01,880
Speaker 1: she didn't coming to the big Winnebago, although we all

886
00:45:01,960 --> 00:45:03,640
Speaker 1: got better trailers than she came. Do you remember that

887
00:45:04,400 --> 00:45:06,239
Speaker 1: she didn't say anything, but all of a sudden we

888
00:45:06,320 --> 00:45:10,239
Speaker 1: all got this huge upgrade into these really nice trailers.

889
00:45:11,320 --> 00:45:13,839
Speaker 3: One of my favorite backstage stories was that it's Jack

890
00:45:13,920 --> 00:45:16,759
Speaker 3: Wagner's story. I'm probably gonna but I thought it was

891
00:45:16,920 --> 00:45:21,919
Speaker 3: just so funny. Jack would tease Priscilla Pressley mercilessly about

892
00:45:22,360 --> 00:45:25,200
Speaker 3: you know, wanting to date, about you know, and he would,

893
00:45:25,320 --> 00:45:27,319
Speaker 3: you know, he was always and I don't know how

894
00:45:27,400 --> 00:45:29,239
Speaker 3: much of it was real or how much of it was,

895
00:45:29,400 --> 00:45:31,320
Speaker 3: you know, just an act, but he put it on.

896
00:45:31,840 --> 00:45:37,719
Speaker 3: But Priscilla came to the set and said, listen, you

897
00:45:37,840 --> 00:45:40,000
Speaker 3: came to work one day in the morning the trailer

898
00:45:40,040 --> 00:45:42,960
Speaker 3: with Lona and said, listen, tell, listen, we have to

899
00:45:43,000 --> 00:45:45,560
Speaker 3: tell everybody set up to Jack that I showed up

900
00:45:45,719 --> 00:45:50,839
Speaker 3: at the bar and he never came. So she laid

901
00:45:50,880 --> 00:45:54,799
Speaker 3: the groundwork for that and then Jack and everyone's like, God, Jack,

902
00:45:54,840 --> 00:45:57,360
Speaker 3: you're such a I love.

903
00:45:57,239 --> 00:45:59,600
Speaker 1: Her now, Yeah, that's amazing.

904
00:46:00,520 --> 00:46:02,600
Speaker 3: I love you know. I read.

905
00:46:03,960 --> 00:46:06,719
Speaker 5: In Elvis and Priscilla book. I read her book. This

906
00:46:06,880 --> 00:46:08,080
Speaker 5: came out last year the year.

907
00:46:08,000 --> 00:46:13,720
Speaker 2: Before, and I just read her granddaughters and daughter's book,

908
00:46:14,440 --> 00:46:18,399
Speaker 2: Riley Keyo's Masa Murray's book. Anyway, I learned from there

909
00:46:18,440 --> 00:46:21,560
Speaker 2: that Elvis was a big prankster, like all he did

910
00:46:21,800 --> 00:46:24,200
Speaker 2: was pull you know. So you just reminded me like

911
00:46:24,280 --> 00:46:26,560
Speaker 2: that sounds very much like something like Elvis would have

912
00:46:26,600 --> 00:46:28,279
Speaker 2: done with his posse, you know what I mean, like, oh,

913
00:46:28,360 --> 00:46:30,080
Speaker 2: tell someone, So he missed the rehearsal.

914
00:46:30,320 --> 00:46:32,400
Speaker 3: Maybe maybe Jack knew that, and that's why he was

915
00:46:32,520 --> 00:46:33,920
Speaker 3: using that card too with Priscilla.

916
00:46:35,400 --> 00:46:41,359
Speaker 4: But he was a big jokes she got back, which

917
00:46:41,640 --> 00:46:42,520
Speaker 4: he loved to teach.

918
00:46:43,000 --> 00:46:45,920
Speaker 1: I just had a memory of one time when you know,

919
00:46:46,080 --> 00:46:48,520
Speaker 1: Heather and Jack tease each other mercilessly, and they're both

920
00:46:48,680 --> 00:46:52,040
Speaker 1: so incredibly funny, and she would always tease him about

921
00:46:52,040 --> 00:46:53,520
Speaker 1: being vain. And one time when he asked for a

922
00:46:53,600 --> 00:46:55,480
Speaker 1: touch up, like to look at the mirrorfore, do you remember,

923
00:46:55,560 --> 00:46:59,240
Speaker 1: they brought out a full length mirror look at himself?

924
00:46:59,320 --> 00:46:59,760
Speaker 1: You remember?

925
00:47:00,360 --> 00:47:01,160
Speaker 3: I don't remember that.

926
00:47:03,360 --> 00:47:05,920
Speaker 1: Jeffers, who was a makeup arty, brought out literally a

927
00:47:06,080 --> 00:47:06,800
Speaker 1: full life.

928
00:47:08,120 --> 00:47:09,640
Speaker 5: Remember, and he was grateful for it.

929
00:47:09,760 --> 00:47:11,880
Speaker 1: He's like thank you, because he was like that's about right.

930
00:47:11,920 --> 00:47:13,759
Speaker 1: A little bigger next, but that's about right.

931
00:47:13,880 --> 00:47:15,759
Speaker 2: And he would always call her for yet her name,

932
00:47:15,960 --> 00:47:17,720
Speaker 2: you know, Wendy Helen Where's Helen?

933
00:47:17,840 --> 00:47:24,239
Speaker 3: Where Helen? He's a funny He's a very funny man. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

934
00:47:24,920 --> 00:47:27,560
Speaker 3: all those those good looks. You know. Didn't let him

935
00:47:27,640 --> 00:47:29,439
Speaker 3: get his two.

936
00:47:29,440 --> 00:47:32,520
Speaker 5: Projects with him after that. Oh yeah, we were.

937
00:47:32,840 --> 00:47:36,000
Speaker 1: Josie's still doing those homework movies with him, Lucky here. Yeah,

938
00:47:36,080 --> 00:47:36,640
Speaker 1: he's funny.

939
00:47:37,080 --> 00:47:39,280
Speaker 2: It's always nice when you work with somebody you've already

940
00:47:39,320 --> 00:47:41,759
Speaker 2: worked with. It just kind of like cuts the just

941
00:47:41,920 --> 00:47:43,880
Speaker 2: like you know, I don't know, it just makes it

942
00:47:43,960 --> 00:47:47,080
Speaker 2: so much more comfortable and just kind of pick up

943
00:47:47,080 --> 00:47:49,799
Speaker 2: where you left off, makes the chemistry better.

944
00:47:50,520 --> 00:47:53,680
Speaker 4: So I don't know if we've I think we forgot

945
00:47:53,760 --> 00:47:56,040
Speaker 4: to mention this. Back when Thomas was on, he had

946
00:47:56,080 --> 00:47:58,720
Speaker 4: mentioned that he'd done an episode of Colombo, a remake

947
00:47:59,000 --> 00:48:02,320
Speaker 4: no way back the original Columba before doing Melrose.

948
00:48:02,560 --> 00:48:04,040
Speaker 5: Because he's older than all of us.

949
00:48:05,560 --> 00:48:09,480
Speaker 3: I did a two hour Colombo together with Doug.

950
00:48:09,680 --> 00:48:12,920
Speaker 4: They were in the same Columbo episode too, before Melroe.

951
00:48:12,640 --> 00:48:15,040
Speaker 1: Seven, so it wasn't the original original. It was when

952
00:48:15,080 --> 00:48:15,680
Speaker 1: he came back and.

953
00:48:18,080 --> 00:48:23,120
Speaker 3: Two hour movies he would do four year Peter. Yes, wow,

954
00:48:23,239 --> 00:48:26,959
Speaker 3: one of my great the highlights of my careers really

955
00:48:27,120 --> 00:48:30,319
Speaker 3: with Peter Falk because I adored my favorite movie, one

956
00:48:30,360 --> 00:48:32,440
Speaker 3: of my favorite movies. I've tortured my kids with this,

957
00:48:32,600 --> 00:48:38,000
Speaker 3: The in Laws, and he's like Serpentine shall Yeah, he

958
00:48:38,120 --> 00:48:41,440
Speaker 3: and Alan Arkin are incredible.

959
00:48:42,440 --> 00:48:44,000
Speaker 1: Did he do one hundred takes? I heard he used

960
00:48:44,080 --> 00:48:46,040
Speaker 1: one hundred takes on Yeah.

961
00:48:47,040 --> 00:48:49,560
Speaker 3: I don't remember him being anything less than a prince,

962
00:48:49,680 --> 00:48:51,279
Speaker 3: A professional, well not.

963
00:48:51,320 --> 00:48:53,440
Speaker 1: I'm professional, but he was trying to perfect it, so

964
00:48:53,480 --> 00:48:55,399
Speaker 1: he would do it against he was always looking for more.

965
00:48:55,719 --> 00:49:00,960
Speaker 3: Probably he was here's what I collect. So Thomas and I,

966
00:49:01,360 --> 00:49:05,000
Speaker 3: Thomas and I played cops. Thomas Thomas was marrying Peter

967
00:49:05,160 --> 00:49:09,400
Speaker 3: Fowx like niece. Okay, that that's and I was in

968
00:49:09,480 --> 00:49:13,200
Speaker 3: the wedding and a crime that the bride gets abducted

969
00:49:13,400 --> 00:49:15,440
Speaker 3: in the mur and so all the cops now have

970
00:49:15,520 --> 00:49:19,960
Speaker 3: to go to work. So our photographs of the wedding

971
00:49:20,120 --> 00:49:22,520
Speaker 3: we're going to be playing as evidence. So we took

972
00:49:22,719 --> 00:49:26,239
Speaker 3: tons of photographs of the groomsman, stuff with Peter and stuff. Well,

973
00:49:26,440 --> 00:49:30,040
Speaker 3: back in those days, we were having a wedding reception

974
00:49:30,200 --> 00:49:34,120
Speaker 3: scene and this no longer happens in television, but like

975
00:49:34,200 --> 00:49:36,759
Speaker 3: Peter's a star. They were giving him white wine, they

976
00:49:36,800 --> 00:49:39,600
Speaker 3: were giving he was drinking. He was drinking. So we're

977
00:49:39,640 --> 00:49:42,680
Speaker 3: having we're having a photo shoot and I'm I'm with

978
00:49:42,840 --> 00:49:45,720
Speaker 3: this guy who I just adore, and so I finally

979
00:49:45,800 --> 00:49:48,000
Speaker 3: we're done with the photos. We've been having shots where

980
00:49:48,040 --> 00:49:50,680
Speaker 3: we're arm in arm and we're walking away from the

981
00:49:50,719 --> 00:49:53,120
Speaker 3: photos and I say, I got it, mister fuck. I

982
00:49:53,239 --> 00:49:55,400
Speaker 3: just got to tell you that The End Laws is

983
00:49:55,560 --> 00:49:58,200
Speaker 3: one of my favorite movies of all time. And he goes,

984
00:49:58,280 --> 00:50:00,400
Speaker 3: oh was it? And I said, oh God, are you

985
00:50:00,480 --> 00:50:03,080
Speaker 3: kidding me? Serpentine shell, serpentine show. And he goes, do

986
00:50:03,120 --> 00:50:06,080
Speaker 3: you think that was funny? Did you think that was funny?

987
00:50:06,200 --> 00:50:09,160
Speaker 3: He said? He said, I didn't think that was funny

988
00:50:09,160 --> 00:50:12,360
Speaker 3: at all. But Arkan he'd have come back tomorrow to

989
00:50:12,520 --> 00:50:14,760
Speaker 3: do that scene again. He thought it was so funny.

990
00:50:15,239 --> 00:50:19,080
Speaker 3: So yeah, there were so many, just so many great

991
00:50:19,120 --> 00:50:20,000
Speaker 3: Peter Falk moments.

992
00:50:20,920 --> 00:50:22,440
Speaker 5: So how many are how many episodes?

993
00:50:22,520 --> 00:50:24,840
Speaker 3: Did you? I just did one two hour movie? But

994
00:50:25,239 --> 00:50:29,320
Speaker 3: but Thomas Colabra was that was the groom he was,

995
00:50:30,360 --> 00:50:33,880
Speaker 3: you know, he had this big park and so we

996
00:50:33,960 --> 00:50:37,919
Speaker 3: had worked together before we both ended up on Melrose Place.

997
00:50:39,760 --> 00:50:39,960
Speaker 4: Yeah.

998
00:50:40,120 --> 00:50:41,879
Speaker 5: See, you're you're around long enough.

999
00:50:43,040 --> 00:50:46,840
Speaker 3: And someone literally a friend of mine just saw, like,

1000
00:50:47,080 --> 00:50:51,439
Speaker 3: whose mother watches nothing but these old Columbus and sent

1001
00:50:51,560 --> 00:50:56,680
Speaker 3: me like a screenshot of us. Oh you do, I do, Okay,

1002
00:50:56,800 --> 00:50:59,360
Speaker 3: I'll post it. We'll put this isn't.

1003
00:50:59,400 --> 00:51:02,759
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, that's amazing. I read it. You are at

1004
00:51:02,840 --> 00:51:04,080
Speaker 5: UCLA and left early.

1005
00:51:04,400 --> 00:51:07,440
Speaker 3: I well, I left more than early. Like it is.

1006
00:51:07,719 --> 00:51:09,040
Speaker 3: It's it's when did you leave?

1007
00:51:09,040 --> 00:51:09,360
Speaker 5: Because I.

1008
00:51:10,840 --> 00:51:15,520
Speaker 3: Went to UCLA in the fall of nineteen eighty two

1009
00:51:16,200 --> 00:51:22,560
Speaker 3: and I stayed for one ten week semester, long enough

1010
00:51:22,719 --> 00:51:24,160
Speaker 3: to become a college dropout.

1011
00:51:24,239 --> 00:51:27,319
Speaker 1: That's so, are you two Ucla F I'm a very

1012
00:51:27,480 --> 00:51:30,520
Speaker 1: proud la drop You're close. You are not close.

1013
00:51:31,719 --> 00:51:33,560
Speaker 5: My father still wants me to go back and get

1014
00:51:33,560 --> 00:51:35,120
Speaker 5: an honorary degree or a degree.

1015
00:51:35,160 --> 00:51:38,200
Speaker 3: Oh, but you've come from educators is a professor?

1016
00:51:38,280 --> 00:51:41,000
Speaker 2: Your dad was literally I was working with Lucie Ball

1017
00:51:41,160 --> 00:51:42,759
Speaker 2: and he's like, can't you go back and get an

1018
00:51:42,760 --> 00:51:43,480
Speaker 2: honorary degree?

1019
00:51:43,520 --> 00:51:45,880
Speaker 5: I go, excuse me, I have to get on set because.

1020
00:51:45,760 --> 00:51:46,960
Speaker 3: Loci a bom waiting for me.

1021
00:51:47,080 --> 00:51:48,399
Speaker 1: Dad, is that not enough?

1022
00:51:48,440 --> 00:51:51,120
Speaker 2: And he's like, and then I was working on with

1023
00:51:51,320 --> 00:51:54,120
Speaker 2: also with Melbrooks on baseballs, and like, I had to

1024
00:51:54,200 --> 00:51:57,880
Speaker 2: leave because I started working Dad, and he was like,

1025
00:51:58,440 --> 00:52:00,200
Speaker 2: do you think you maybe could go back and get,

1026
00:52:00,280 --> 00:52:03,040
Speaker 2: you know, finish that last semester and get your degree.

1027
00:52:03,640 --> 00:52:08,240
Speaker 5: And I'm like, no for me. So lately I've been thinking,

1028
00:52:08,280 --> 00:52:09,640
Speaker 5: I wonder if there's online you know.

1029
00:52:09,719 --> 00:52:10,640
Speaker 4: I would need just like.

1030
00:52:12,320 --> 00:52:14,120
Speaker 1: I just walk you through it, because I've gone back

1031
00:52:14,120 --> 00:52:15,600
Speaker 1: to online school several times.

1032
00:52:15,800 --> 00:52:16,920
Speaker 3: You did, I have.

1033
00:52:17,160 --> 00:52:19,080
Speaker 1: I still don't have a degree, but I have gone.

1034
00:52:19,200 --> 00:52:21,520
Speaker 1: I can walk you through it. I can't walk you

1035
00:52:21,560 --> 00:52:23,200
Speaker 1: through the finish links. I haven't gotten there yet, but

1036
00:52:23,200 --> 00:52:24,759
Speaker 1: I can show you where to go. I can get

1037
00:52:24,760 --> 00:52:26,720
Speaker 1: you to the middle and can get you to degree.

1038
00:52:28,560 --> 00:52:29,759
Speaker 5: Okay, totally.

1039
00:52:32,360 --> 00:52:35,520
Speaker 1: If you have a college degree, all of us and

1040
00:52:35,600 --> 00:52:40,279
Speaker 1: they tell our kids wives a college, my kids a

1041
00:52:40,360 --> 00:52:42,120
Speaker 1: junior kids, the kids.

1042
00:52:42,080 --> 00:52:44,040
Speaker 4: Kids are neither of you.

1043
00:52:45,960 --> 00:52:47,080
Speaker 5: Anywhere. I did not finish.

1044
00:52:47,200 --> 00:52:47,640
Speaker 1: No, I did not.

1045
00:52:47,800 --> 00:52:48,800
Speaker 5: Did you start somewhere?

1046
00:52:48,880 --> 00:52:51,200
Speaker 4: I started at a couple of places, yes, And I

1047
00:52:52,239 --> 00:52:53,880
Speaker 4: went to the University of Iowa, and I also went

1048
00:52:53,920 --> 00:52:57,080
Speaker 4: to cal State Long Beach before you a semester, uh huh?

1049
00:52:57,480 --> 00:52:58,680
Speaker 4: Before I dropped out.

1050
00:52:58,640 --> 00:52:59,480
Speaker 3: To do you know?

1051
00:53:00,360 --> 00:53:02,839
Speaker 1: I signed up twice and didn't go one day at

1052
00:53:02,880 --> 00:53:06,120
Speaker 1: two different places at Allegheny and Pepperdine. All right, does

1053
00:53:06,200 --> 00:53:07,920
Speaker 1: that count if I didn't even signing up.

1054
00:53:08,120 --> 00:53:09,239
Speaker 4: That's the first stay I did.

1055
00:53:09,440 --> 00:53:11,360
Speaker 1: It's got on Campus on Pepperdine just because it's just

1056
00:53:11,480 --> 00:53:13,680
Speaker 1: in it's gorgeous. But then I got a movie and

1057
00:53:13,760 --> 00:53:17,560
Speaker 1: then yeah, yeah, it's really important to oh a movie.

1058
00:53:17,640 --> 00:53:18,400
Speaker 1: Yeah bye.

1059
00:53:20,440 --> 00:53:21,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, oh wow.

1060
00:53:22,000 --> 00:53:25,640
Speaker 5: Oh well so you so you started working that in

1061
00:53:25,760 --> 00:53:28,640
Speaker 5: eighty two if you left the nineteen.

1062
00:53:28,400 --> 00:53:30,759
Speaker 3: Eighty three is when I got my sad card. And yes,

1063
00:53:31,719 --> 00:53:34,239
Speaker 3: I started working in nineteen eighty three and I've been

1064
00:53:34,280 --> 00:53:36,719
Speaker 3: an actor for forty one years. Yeah.

1065
00:53:40,560 --> 00:53:42,680
Speaker 4: Are are we ready for Sea fan questions?

1066
00:53:42,880 --> 00:53:43,120
Speaker 1: Yes?

1067
00:53:43,640 --> 00:53:46,600
Speaker 4: We asked for fans to send in some questions, and

1068
00:53:47,040 --> 00:53:49,759
Speaker 4: a lot of them you've already touched on. And it's

1069
00:53:49,840 --> 00:53:52,959
Speaker 4: just naturally the things that people are interested in which

1070
00:53:53,000 --> 00:53:53,279
Speaker 4: we love.

1071
00:53:53,480 --> 00:53:56,320
Speaker 1: I like this one. Would you play Matt differently in

1072
00:53:56,480 --> 00:53:59,279
Speaker 1: twenty twenty four and then Parenthesy if he wasn't dead

1073
00:53:59,440 --> 00:54:00,160
Speaker 1: and prienthe.

1074
00:54:01,760 --> 00:54:07,320
Speaker 3: Because he is. Matt is back and he's pissed. Uh No,

1075
00:54:07,520 --> 00:54:10,920
Speaker 3: I thought I thought in watching I have watched a

1076
00:54:11,080 --> 00:54:13,600
Speaker 3: number of the episodes, as you guys have gone through this,

1077
00:54:13,760 --> 00:54:15,880
Speaker 3: and I've gone back, and you know what, I was

1078
00:54:16,200 --> 00:54:19,880
Speaker 3: relieved that I'm not ashamed of anything that I've seen

1079
00:54:19,960 --> 00:54:23,040
Speaker 3: myself do yet. But I will say this. We were

1080
00:54:23,080 --> 00:54:29,480
Speaker 3: talking about Kathleen earlier, Princess who is our wardrobe She

1081
00:54:29,719 --> 00:54:35,920
Speaker 3: was our female wardrobe on set wardrobe person. Because, as

1082
00:54:36,000 --> 00:54:39,880
Speaker 3: you also referenced earlier, I kind of didn't care about

1083
00:54:40,840 --> 00:54:44,520
Speaker 3: I never watched the show. That's a different story, but

1084
00:54:44,600 --> 00:54:48,680
Speaker 3: I never watched the show. So there's an episode coming

1085
00:54:48,880 --> 00:54:50,800
Speaker 3: I don't know what season is where Matt is in

1086
00:54:50,960 --> 00:54:54,759
Speaker 3: jail and his parents have to come and bail the man.

1087
00:54:54,880 --> 00:54:56,680
Speaker 3: There's a scene at a when you know, one of

1088
00:54:56,719 --> 00:54:59,040
Speaker 3: those where there's plexiglass and you've got the phone on

1089
00:54:59,120 --> 00:55:04,920
Speaker 3: the other end, and and Matt's enraged at his parents

1090
00:55:05,000 --> 00:55:08,399
Speaker 3: about something or what the inference is about why he's

1091
00:55:08,440 --> 00:55:11,800
Speaker 3: in jail. And so because I didn't really care, and

1092
00:55:11,880 --> 00:55:14,560
Speaker 3: because it would make Kathleen laugh, I'd go, oh wait

1093
00:55:14,680 --> 00:55:16,560
Speaker 3: until you see what I do on this take. I'm

1094
00:55:16,680 --> 00:55:19,799
Speaker 3: just like they they'll never write anger for me again,

1095
00:55:19,920 --> 00:55:23,319
Speaker 3: because I am going to just go I'm going to explode.

1096
00:55:23,680 --> 00:55:25,799
Speaker 3: So I would you know, I would have this scene

1097
00:55:25,800 --> 00:55:28,320
Speaker 3: I take the phone and smacking on the plexiglass and

1098
00:55:28,760 --> 00:55:33,920
Speaker 3: like do my best Al Pacino impersonation, and just to

1099
00:55:34,000 --> 00:55:36,840
Speaker 3: make Kathleen laugh and Oh my god, I can't believe you.

1100
00:55:37,280 --> 00:55:38,640
Speaker 3: I don't care. I'll do it. I want to see

1101
00:55:38,760 --> 00:55:39,759
Speaker 3: what should I do this one?

1102
00:55:41,200 --> 00:55:42,680
Speaker 4: Like we're gonna take that again.

1103
00:55:43,000 --> 00:55:46,240
Speaker 3: The funny thing was, Oh god, it's really into it today.

1104
00:55:47,520 --> 00:55:48,280
Speaker 5: Oh that's great.

1105
00:55:49,239 --> 00:55:50,000
Speaker 3: Did you lie? I know.

1106
00:55:50,120 --> 00:55:52,680
Speaker 2: One of the fan questions was your camaraderie and working

1107
00:55:52,719 --> 00:55:54,920
Speaker 2: with Vanessa, who we just had on as a guest.

1108
00:55:55,440 --> 00:55:59,279
Speaker 3: I adore. Yeah. We got along so well and she

1109
00:55:59,480 --> 00:56:02,920
Speaker 3: is such it's just a funny human being that that.

1110
00:56:03,320 --> 00:56:05,680
Speaker 3: It was always a pleasure to be around her and

1111
00:56:05,880 --> 00:56:07,600
Speaker 3: I had it was great because I had to be

1112
00:56:07,640 --> 00:56:10,520
Speaker 3: around her a lot, so but we got along very well.

1113
00:56:10,880 --> 00:56:12,520
Speaker 3: Obviously to this day, still get along.

1114
00:56:12,600 --> 00:56:14,359
Speaker 5: So was it obvious to you too?

1115
00:56:14,520 --> 00:56:16,759
Speaker 2: And how did you feel about to me watching it

1116
00:56:17,040 --> 00:56:19,960
Speaker 2: was just like the Black Girl and the game you

1117
00:56:20,040 --> 00:56:21,920
Speaker 2: had that you guys were working off each other all

1118
00:56:21,960 --> 00:56:22,200
Speaker 2: the time.

1119
00:56:22,320 --> 00:56:25,920
Speaker 3: Well, yeah, and you knew and we were aware that like, okay, uh,

1120
00:56:26,200 --> 00:56:28,399
Speaker 3: you know, we'll be over here in the yeah, we'll

1121
00:56:28,440 --> 00:56:32,960
Speaker 3: be here in the minority section. But they didn't stop

1122
00:56:33,040 --> 00:56:34,640
Speaker 3: us for having a good time. And then and then,

1123
00:56:34,760 --> 00:56:36,200
Speaker 3: you know, the only thing I'm ashamed of is that

1124
00:56:36,239 --> 00:56:40,160
Speaker 3: I had to dance anywhere near that.

1125
00:56:42,280 --> 00:56:42,960
Speaker 5: Size class.

1126
00:56:43,080 --> 00:56:46,040
Speaker 3: Yeah. The one clue that I wasn't really gay is

1127
00:56:46,080 --> 00:56:47,400
Speaker 3: that I was a terrible dancer.

1128
00:56:49,080 --> 00:56:50,759
Speaker 1: When she was on and you called in, were you

1129
00:56:50,800 --> 00:56:55,360
Speaker 1: guys facetiming? Yeah, how amazing shahs insane?

1130
00:56:55,480 --> 00:56:56,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, wow, amazing.

1131
00:56:56,640 --> 00:56:58,960
Speaker 4: Yeah, and she was so happy to see you.

1132
00:56:59,080 --> 00:57:01,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, she's getting better, it's getting better. It's really mad.

1133
00:57:01,600 --> 00:57:05,080
Speaker 1: She looks amazing. Yeah, yeah, that was your killing fun

1134
00:57:05,160 --> 00:57:07,680
Speaker 1: to see her, Yeah, for sure, it was really fun

1135
00:57:07,719 --> 00:57:08,080
Speaker 1: to see her.

1136
00:57:08,360 --> 00:57:12,240
Speaker 4: All right. So a couple more questions. There are actually

1137
00:57:12,320 --> 00:57:16,240
Speaker 4: some questions about Fever Dreams. There were the play that

1138
00:57:16,320 --> 00:57:18,840
Speaker 4: you just did in Connecticut. We had some fans right

1139
00:57:18,920 --> 00:57:21,440
Speaker 4: in that they saw it and they loved it. So

1140
00:57:21,720 --> 00:57:24,000
Speaker 4: there's that well touring.

1141
00:57:24,120 --> 00:57:25,960
Speaker 5: They asked, Fever.

1142
00:57:25,880 --> 00:57:30,240
Speaker 3: Dreams a great play play, right, Jeffrey Leeber, who's a

1143
00:57:30,280 --> 00:57:34,280
Speaker 3: fantastic television writer, that I did with Lanna Young and

1144
00:57:34,400 --> 00:57:35,800
Speaker 3: my dearest friend Tim Decay.

1145
00:57:36,400 --> 00:57:36,560
Speaker 2: Uh.

1146
00:57:36,880 --> 00:57:40,120
Speaker 3: It was a huge success at Theater Works Hartford. I'd

1147
00:57:40,120 --> 00:57:42,800
Speaker 3: like to thank everyone there. But I had this amazing

1148
00:57:42,960 --> 00:57:48,320
Speaker 3: experience where on one during one of our performances, someone

1149
00:57:48,640 --> 00:57:50,800
Speaker 3: who worked at the theater. These two people had come

1150
00:57:50,840 --> 00:57:53,840
Speaker 3: to see the show and they said, could we please

1151
00:57:53,880 --> 00:57:57,400
Speaker 3: meet him afterwards. And the theater person thought, okay, these

1152
00:57:57,440 --> 00:58:00,760
Speaker 3: aren't they're not crazy, so I'll hold them out see

1153
00:58:00,800 --> 00:58:03,640
Speaker 3: if Doug will deign to speak to them, and yees.

1154
00:58:03,680 --> 00:58:07,160
Speaker 3: I was like, yeah, of course. They had been fans

1155
00:58:07,320 --> 00:58:10,040
Speaker 3: of melrose Place, these two, this young couple, they had

1156
00:58:10,080 --> 00:58:13,680
Speaker 3: watched melrose Place and then had just binge watched all

1157
00:58:13,720 --> 00:58:16,960
Speaker 3: of Desperate Housewives and said we just had to come.

1158
00:58:17,000 --> 00:58:20,760
Speaker 3: My wife called and said I got tickets and were going.

1159
00:58:21,120 --> 00:58:23,080
Speaker 3: So they came to see me in the theater. And

1160
00:58:23,240 --> 00:58:25,480
Speaker 3: I was just thinking, oh, that's so sweet, that's so

1161
00:58:25,600 --> 00:58:28,360
Speaker 3: good to you, and and they but the guy went

1162
00:58:28,440 --> 00:58:31,000
Speaker 3: on to say, this is the first time we've ever

1163
00:58:31,120 --> 00:58:34,960
Speaker 3: been to live theater. And I was like, what this like?

1164
00:58:35,160 --> 00:58:38,080
Speaker 3: Not dinner theater? You never saw a production of Fiddler

1165
00:58:38,160 --> 00:58:40,240
Speaker 3: on the Roof, You never went to your like high

1166
00:58:40,280 --> 00:58:43,600
Speaker 3: school musical or something. No, this was the first piece

1167
00:58:43,640 --> 00:58:46,000
Speaker 3: of theater. And I said, well, my goodness, do you

1168
00:58:46,240 --> 00:58:48,560
Speaker 3: think you'll be taking news is something you'll now do?

1169
00:58:48,680 --> 00:58:52,320
Speaker 3: And he said I don't think so, I don't. I

1170
00:58:52,400 --> 00:58:54,760
Speaker 3: don't think I will ever see anything as good as this.

1171
00:58:56,800 --> 00:59:01,480
Speaker 3: So there were some sweet, sweet people, and I just

1172
00:59:01,680 --> 00:59:05,040
Speaker 3: loved I loved my time at Theater Works Hartford, and yeah,

1173
00:59:05,040 --> 00:59:08,520
Speaker 3: it was. It's it's a really really compelling play.

1174
00:59:08,960 --> 00:59:10,680
Speaker 1: How long did it take to get your sea legs

1175
00:59:10,720 --> 00:59:11,400
Speaker 1: on stage again?

1176
00:59:11,600 --> 00:59:11,800
Speaker 4: Yeah?

1177
00:59:12,800 --> 00:59:16,600
Speaker 3: Oh boy, it's I'll tell you this that it's a

1178
00:59:16,680 --> 00:59:22,040
Speaker 3: lot of work that theater. They literally they literally they

1179
00:59:22,120 --> 00:59:24,000
Speaker 3: gave me the schedule on the first day and I

1180
00:59:24,120 --> 00:59:27,080
Speaker 3: was like, oh, well, rehearsal and they had like rehearsal

1181
00:59:27,120 --> 00:59:28,920
Speaker 3: blocked out on the weekend. I go, I don't. I

1182
00:59:29,000 --> 00:59:32,560
Speaker 3: don't work on Sunday. I mean, I knew that when

1183
00:59:32,600 --> 00:59:34,920
Speaker 3: we're up and running that we would have to do show. No, no,

1184
00:59:35,040 --> 00:59:37,160
Speaker 3: no no. But when you're in rehearsal, you still keep

1185
00:59:37,200 --> 00:59:40,800
Speaker 3: those You work Tuesday through Sunday, you go to work

1186
00:59:40,840 --> 00:59:43,680
Speaker 3: every day, you get Monday off. Yeah. Yeah, So that

1187
00:59:43,880 --> 00:59:46,880
Speaker 3: was that was a little eye opening, but all in

1188
00:59:46,960 --> 00:59:49,960
Speaker 3: all a really really deeply rewarding experience.

1189
00:59:50,160 --> 00:59:52,640
Speaker 1: Did you do matinee and night on Saturday and Sunday?

1190
00:59:53,120 --> 00:59:58,080
Speaker 3: Yes, So we had Laura and I would call double headers. Yeah,

1191
00:59:58,280 --> 01:00:01,760
Speaker 3: uh on Sataturday, and then our final weekend they out

1192
01:00:01,800 --> 01:00:04,680
Speaker 3: of performance. So we did to Saturday and to Sunday. Yeah,

1193
01:00:04,760 --> 01:00:10,960
Speaker 3: And it's a it's a it's a really compelling and difficult, challenging.

1194
01:00:10,720 --> 01:00:12,160
Speaker 5: And will you do another one?

1195
01:00:13,120 --> 01:00:17,440
Speaker 3: Or you're like, yeah, no, I'll take it. I'll take

1196
01:00:17,480 --> 01:00:19,920
Speaker 3: a day to day because you have to be in

1197
01:00:20,000 --> 01:00:21,920
Speaker 3: love with it. If you're going to be doing that

1198
01:00:22,080 --> 01:00:25,240
Speaker 3: much rehearsal and then performing every day, you've got it.

1199
01:00:25,360 --> 01:00:29,840
Speaker 3: Takes a level of commitment that in television and film

1200
01:00:29,880 --> 01:00:32,000
Speaker 3: we're not used to. I'll tell you this, I'm ready

1201
01:00:32,040 --> 01:00:34,040
Speaker 3: for a trailer. I'm ready for a trailer and.

1202
01:00:34,040 --> 01:00:36,480
Speaker 1: A bagel break.

1203
01:00:36,520 --> 01:00:37,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah.

1204
01:00:40,240 --> 01:00:43,440
Speaker 4: About the play was really like it was so far

1205
01:00:43,520 --> 01:00:45,680
Speaker 4: out of your comfort zone in the moment, but when

1206
01:00:45,720 --> 01:00:47,680
Speaker 4: it was with your friend Tim, with Tim de Kay,

1207
01:00:48,040 --> 01:00:50,680
Speaker 4: then that was like such an easier consideration to do

1208
01:00:50,840 --> 01:00:52,520
Speaker 4: something that felt really brave and.

1209
01:00:52,760 --> 01:00:54,840
Speaker 3: I would be remiss if I didn't Tim Dkay, who

1210
01:00:54,920 --> 01:00:56,760
Speaker 3: is a star of White Collar. We mentioned his co

1211
01:00:56,880 --> 01:01:01,160
Speaker 3: star Matt Bomer earlier White Collar Carnival. He's in Oppenheimer.

1212
01:01:01,240 --> 01:01:05,560
Speaker 3: He's done a million, such great work. He was utterly

1213
01:01:05,640 --> 01:01:08,040
Speaker 3: brilliant and he stole the show. I am. I was

1214
01:01:08,280 --> 01:01:09,960
Speaker 3: just honored to be on the stage with him. He's

1215
01:01:10,760 --> 01:01:14,920
Speaker 3: three characters, three three characters, yeah, three characters for.

1216
01:01:15,720 --> 01:01:17,080
Speaker 5: Well I'm so that's amazing.

1217
01:01:17,160 --> 01:01:19,440
Speaker 2: I'm in awe of you for hung off to do

1218
01:01:19,560 --> 01:01:21,400
Speaker 2: that for three characters, just one thing to go see

1219
01:01:21,440 --> 01:01:22,320
Speaker 2: a play at this age and.

1220
01:01:22,440 --> 01:01:27,760
Speaker 3: Already, yeah, there you go. That was at our age.

1221
01:01:28,280 --> 01:01:29,040
Speaker 5: Can we do that again?

1222
01:01:29,080 --> 01:01:29,360
Speaker 1: Please?

1223
01:01:30,280 --> 01:01:34,040
Speaker 3: Like yeah, I was.

1224
01:01:34,440 --> 01:01:34,760
Speaker 4: I was.

1225
01:01:35,280 --> 01:01:39,160
Speaker 3: I was really terrified of the life of the live stuff,

1226
01:01:39,240 --> 01:01:42,000
Speaker 3: and as it turns, I lived through it. I never

1227
01:01:42,120 --> 01:01:45,600
Speaker 3: had an enormous gaff or something. I think the most

1228
01:01:45,640 --> 01:01:50,040
Speaker 3: unprofessional thing I did was, you know, audiences, although they

1229
01:01:50,080 --> 01:01:53,720
Speaker 3: were warned forget to turn their cell phones, and one

1230
01:01:54,360 --> 01:01:57,040
Speaker 3: just rang the first time, and you just keep going,

1231
01:01:57,200 --> 01:02:00,800
Speaker 3: rang a second time, and rang the time, at which

1232
01:02:00,840 --> 01:02:04,479
Speaker 3: time I slammed my hand counter.

1233
01:02:04,600 --> 01:02:08,720
Speaker 4: It was sort of in character, sort of character, but clearly.

1234
01:02:08,520 --> 01:02:11,720
Speaker 3: Not apologizing to everyone, including stage managers.

1235
01:02:12,120 --> 01:02:14,640
Speaker 5: You didn't do a what do they do? Patty Lapone

1236
01:02:14,920 --> 01:02:18,400
Speaker 5: and what's his name? Hugh, what's his name? They just

1237
01:02:18,440 --> 01:02:21,000
Speaker 5: turned to the audience and they turn you yeah.

1238
01:02:20,880 --> 01:02:25,000
Speaker 4: Patty Lapone is yeah, I mean for having told they

1239
01:02:25,040 --> 01:02:26,280
Speaker 4: have been warned the audience.

1240
01:02:26,440 --> 01:02:29,479
Speaker 2: You know, it's not the first no, they've been worn

1241
01:02:29,520 --> 01:02:32,080
Speaker 2: by that voice of God. Please turn your phones off

1242
01:02:32,120 --> 01:02:33,400
Speaker 2: and unwrap your candies.

1243
01:02:33,480 --> 01:02:37,680
Speaker 3: Now, there was also a moment in the play where

1244
01:02:38,480 --> 01:02:41,760
Speaker 3: several times that the audience would talk back to us, which.

1245
01:02:41,760 --> 01:02:44,919
Speaker 4: Really yeah, very involved audience ary.

1246
01:02:45,240 --> 01:02:50,320
Speaker 3: Tim character asked me at some you know, two thirds

1247
01:02:50,360 --> 01:02:52,840
Speaker 3: of the way through the because who else would understand?

1248
01:02:53,160 --> 01:02:55,800
Speaker 3: And I look at them and I say yeah, And

1249
01:02:55,960 --> 01:02:59,200
Speaker 3: before I could get my line out, someone in the yeah.

1250
01:03:02,840 --> 01:03:06,200
Speaker 4: What he said, we all say, I do love, didn't you?

1251
01:03:06,240 --> 01:03:09,680
Speaker 2: How did you like that audience reaction, that immediate reaction

1252
01:03:09,880 --> 01:03:12,160
Speaker 2: in that play that you don't get in film or TV.

1253
01:03:12,400 --> 01:03:14,800
Speaker 3: I have to tell you and Courdi well, if you

1254
01:03:15,160 --> 01:03:17,920
Speaker 3: remember from my time on acording gym, I'm terrified of

1255
01:03:18,080 --> 01:03:22,120
Speaker 3: the audience. I don't ever need them. My my goal,

1256
01:03:22,280 --> 01:03:24,080
Speaker 3: I don't need them. My goal in doing this was

1257
01:03:24,160 --> 01:03:26,080
Speaker 3: like could it was? It was a personal test. Could

1258
01:03:26,160 --> 01:03:28,000
Speaker 3: I do it? Could I answer this? Could I answer it?

1259
01:03:28,040 --> 01:03:32,880
Speaker 3: Could I answer the emotional requirements of it? Every single

1260
01:03:33,120 --> 01:03:37,120
Speaker 3: night twice on Saturday and Sunday. And we reached a

1261
01:03:37,200 --> 01:03:42,400
Speaker 3: point in rehearsals where the director where my friend Tim

1262
01:03:42,560 --> 01:03:44,880
Speaker 3: Kay turned to the director and said, you know, I

1263
01:03:45,160 --> 01:03:47,400
Speaker 3: understand the note, but I need an audience now, I

1264
01:03:47,480 --> 01:03:50,479
Speaker 3: need an audience. And I thought, oh, I would be okay.

1265
01:03:50,600 --> 01:03:52,800
Speaker 3: Thing never, that's not.

1266
01:03:52,920 --> 01:03:54,120
Speaker 1: Why we keep this private.

1267
01:03:54,240 --> 01:03:57,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, what is so?

1268
01:03:57,840 --> 01:03:57,880
Speaker 1: No?

1269
01:03:58,280 --> 01:04:00,720
Speaker 3: And I had much to learn, And I had to learn.

1270
01:04:00,880 --> 01:04:02,560
Speaker 3: I had to learn to hold for last.

1271
01:04:04,040 --> 01:04:06,360
Speaker 4: Stuff like that, or to not react when the audience

1272
01:04:06,480 --> 01:04:11,240
Speaker 4: is interjecting that's my line.

1273
01:04:13,280 --> 01:04:16,080
Speaker 1: Was there a point where you got so comfortable with

1274
01:04:16,160 --> 01:04:19,240
Speaker 1: the lines that you just felt yourself in the moment,

1275
01:04:19,360 --> 01:04:21,280
Speaker 1: like you weren't thinking about your next line. You got

1276
01:04:21,320 --> 01:04:22,960
Speaker 1: to just completely let go of the reins.

1277
01:04:23,200 --> 01:04:26,160
Speaker 3: Well, that's obviously the goal every single day is to

1278
01:04:26,400 --> 01:04:28,880
Speaker 3: really be in the moment that that audience is the

1279
01:04:28,960 --> 01:04:30,720
Speaker 3: first should be the first time that's ever come out

1280
01:04:30,720 --> 01:04:32,400
Speaker 3: of your mouth, because the first time they're ever going

1281
01:04:32,480 --> 01:04:35,400
Speaker 3: to hear it. But and I did, And the more

1282
01:04:35,560 --> 01:04:39,880
Speaker 3: comfortable I didn't get was was not worrying about that

1283
01:04:40,040 --> 01:04:42,000
Speaker 3: so much. I'm really being able to be present, to

1284
01:04:42,560 --> 01:04:46,960
Speaker 3: to play uh freely with the other actors. Yeah.

1285
01:04:48,040 --> 01:04:51,400
Speaker 4: Wow, Well I do have one more I think by

1286
01:04:51,480 --> 01:04:55,880
Speaker 4: time for one more question. Fan questions from as much

1287
01:04:55,880 --> 01:05:00,800
Speaker 4: as this theater tag, but it's also good and yes,

1288
01:05:01,040 --> 01:05:02,800
Speaker 4: this seems this is a very important question. It's from

1289
01:05:02,840 --> 01:05:06,800
Speaker 4: a user whose user name begins with Lucy, and she says,

1290
01:05:06,920 --> 01:05:14,080
Speaker 4: who's your favorite child? Oh, yes, in case you need

1291
01:05:14,160 --> 01:05:16,440
Speaker 4: time to think about it. She sent a second question,

1292
01:05:16,720 --> 01:05:19,000
Speaker 4: also from a user whose user name begins with Lucy.

1293
01:05:19,040 --> 01:05:20,760
Speaker 4: Who is your favorite child? And why is it Lucy?

1294
01:05:23,760 --> 01:05:28,080
Speaker 3: Lucy my favorite child? Person? Ever, I will show you

1295
01:05:28,280 --> 01:05:31,120
Speaker 3: is that Lucy. Now, Lucy may have entered that, may

1296
01:05:31,160 --> 01:05:34,000
Speaker 3: have entered her own contact information on my phone, and

1297
01:05:34,440 --> 01:05:38,040
Speaker 3: she may also be in charge of my screensaver because

1298
01:05:38,080 --> 01:05:42,520
Speaker 3: there she is also my favorite child. It changes every day,

1299
01:05:42,800 --> 01:05:44,400
Speaker 3: just who's going to be the nicer?

1300
01:05:47,720 --> 01:05:49,440
Speaker 1: Who does question?

1301
01:05:49,600 --> 01:05:53,200
Speaker 5: We've noticed that Matt wore a lot of T shirts,

1302
01:05:53,280 --> 01:05:54,040
Speaker 5: Oh my God, with.

1303
01:05:54,600 --> 01:05:58,240
Speaker 4: Graphics on them, political.

1304
01:05:57,920 --> 01:06:01,120
Speaker 5: Statements, political statements, different things. Did you have say in that?

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Speaker 5: Did you like that? Did you pick out fun ones?

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Speaker 3: The only one I did wear was for the the

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01:06:07,680 --> 01:06:10,640
Speaker 3: California Age Ride, which was the celebrity spokesman for I

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01:06:10,880 --> 01:06:13,840
Speaker 3: remember that being there. There was God, there was a

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01:06:14,000 --> 01:06:16,320
Speaker 3: university back east that had.

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Speaker 1: Wanted me to wear their stuff that I wren't would stuffin.

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01:06:19,520 --> 01:06:19,760
Speaker 3: Yeah.

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01:06:20,520 --> 01:06:20,720
Speaker 1: Yeah.

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01:06:21,760 --> 01:06:26,120
Speaker 3: But then the rest of that was just all, you know, wardrobe, wardrobe.

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01:06:26,160 --> 01:06:28,480
Speaker 3: They just decided that that, yeah, that that's the way. Yeah.

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01:06:28,600 --> 01:06:30,480
Speaker 3: I did a little look in the beginning of the

1316
01:06:30,640 --> 01:06:33,120
Speaker 3: backward hats like like that that was I don't know,

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01:06:33,160 --> 01:06:35,800
Speaker 3: I've watched something where I had enormous clothes, like like

1318
01:06:35,880 --> 01:06:37,960
Speaker 3: I had a sure that was just like, you know,

1319
01:06:38,040 --> 01:06:39,320
Speaker 3: I could just take another person.

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01:06:42,040 --> 01:06:45,400
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, well Andrew too, I mean except for you know,

1321
01:06:45,800 --> 01:06:48,440
Speaker 1: Jake had the shirt, but outside of him, all the

1322
01:06:48,480 --> 01:06:50,640
Speaker 1: guys had these huge, voluminous teas.

1323
01:06:51,080 --> 01:06:53,600
Speaker 5: Yeah, but yours had graphics on them and.

1324
01:06:55,120 --> 01:07:00,320
Speaker 4: Character, so we found unbelievable.

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01:07:00,160 --> 01:07:04,280
Speaker 3: That one's not that's not so bad. Of course, that's.

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01:07:04,200 --> 01:07:08,600
Speaker 1: Brilliant the very nineties. I like that. She did say

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01:07:08,640 --> 01:07:10,080
Speaker 1: do you want to word them for the episode? And

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01:07:10,120 --> 01:07:16,880
Speaker 1: you're like a second, yeah, okay, Hey, why don't I

1329
01:07:16,880 --> 01:07:19,560
Speaker 1: ask you another question? What did you think about the

1330
01:07:19,640 --> 01:07:22,000
Speaker 1: death of Matt in season seven? And why did they

1331
01:07:22,080 --> 01:07:24,880
Speaker 1: have to kill Matt off screen? Apparently this person wanted

1332
01:07:24,920 --> 01:07:25,720
Speaker 1: to see you die.

1333
01:07:25,720 --> 01:07:26,160
Speaker 4: In real.

1334
01:07:28,040 --> 01:07:33,520
Speaker 3: Person's not alone. Yeah, no, yeah, they wanted a story point,

1335
01:07:33,600 --> 01:07:35,520
Speaker 3: and I would to that person, I would Probably the

1336
01:07:35,560 --> 01:07:40,280
Speaker 3: most honest answer is that writers have a difficult time

1337
01:07:40,400 --> 01:07:43,720
Speaker 3: coming up with storylines, and you know, after seven years

1338
01:07:43,760 --> 01:07:47,160
Speaker 3: on a show like this, you know they're they're tapped out.

1339
01:07:47,280 --> 01:07:51,560
Speaker 3: So using Matt's death to as a device for something

1340
01:07:51,600 --> 01:07:53,760
Speaker 3: else in a character that was happening on screen. I

1341
01:07:53,840 --> 01:07:57,480
Speaker 3: think that's probably why they did that. I you know

1342
01:07:57,800 --> 01:07:59,840
Speaker 3: I would, I don't. I don't care.

1343
01:08:00,240 --> 01:08:01,480
Speaker 1: So you did seven seasons?

1344
01:08:01,560 --> 01:08:03,720
Speaker 3: No, I did five? I mean I did the five.

1345
01:08:04,200 --> 01:08:07,280
Speaker 3: I did episode one of you. I did episode the

1346
01:08:07,360 --> 01:08:12,200
Speaker 3: first episode of Year six, and they had written me

1347
01:08:12,280 --> 01:08:16,880
Speaker 3: off the story. Here's interestingly enough, as we all know,

1348
01:08:17,040 --> 01:08:22,679
Speaker 3: mister Spelling was incredible, you know, but also very controlling,

1349
01:08:23,760 --> 01:08:25,960
Speaker 3: and he was also very generous with us about like,

1350
01:08:26,000 --> 01:08:27,800
Speaker 3: as long as we've been in the hiatus, I can't

1351
01:08:27,840 --> 01:08:29,920
Speaker 3: tell you how many other Spelling shows that I did,

1352
01:08:30,479 --> 01:08:34,840
Speaker 3: because Uncle Aaron would would say, hey, come on, can't

1353
01:08:34,920 --> 01:08:39,680
Speaker 3: do this show. But he was not so keen on

1354
01:08:39,880 --> 01:08:43,320
Speaker 3: us going to do movies or things on our hiatus

1355
01:08:43,400 --> 01:08:48,000
Speaker 3: that were outside of our show. So after year five,

1356
01:08:48,160 --> 01:08:51,559
Speaker 3: I was coming back for just six episodes of Year six,

1357
01:08:51,680 --> 01:08:54,600
Speaker 3: That's what I was coming back to do. And I

1358
01:08:54,720 --> 01:08:57,840
Speaker 3: got Godzilla in the meantime, and there was going to

1359
01:08:57,880 --> 01:09:01,720
Speaker 3: be a three week overlap, and I needed to work

1360
01:09:01,800 --> 01:09:05,360
Speaker 3: that out with with Meloe's place, and I thought, there's

1361
01:09:05,479 --> 01:09:08,040
Speaker 3: no way this is happening. It's impossible. They are not

1362
01:09:08,160 --> 01:09:10,240
Speaker 3: going to do it. Mister Spelling doesn't do this. At

1363
01:09:10,280 --> 01:09:15,400
Speaker 3: that same time, Heather became pregnant and they lost their

1364
01:09:15,560 --> 01:09:18,120
Speaker 3: hiatus all together, and they weren't getting even have a

1365
01:09:18,160 --> 01:09:19,880
Speaker 3: height as they were just going to shoot right on through.

1366
01:09:20,200 --> 01:09:23,519
Speaker 3: So what they said was, oh god, we've got bigger

1367
01:09:23,560 --> 01:09:28,880
Speaker 3: fish to problems. Let well, we'll pay Doug for the

1368
01:09:29,000 --> 01:09:31,360
Speaker 3: six episodes, but he's got to come back, and he's

1369
01:09:31,360 --> 01:09:32,960
Speaker 3: got to do the first one. We'll write him out

1370
01:09:33,000 --> 01:09:37,120
Speaker 3: in one. They paid me, mister Spelling. Did that solid

1371
01:09:37,320 --> 01:09:40,160
Speaker 3: for me at a time in my life? Yeah, yeah,

1372
01:09:40,320 --> 01:09:44,160
Speaker 3: And so I really really appreciated that.

1373
01:09:44,880 --> 01:09:46,760
Speaker 1: So they killed you, you weren't a part of the show.

1374
01:09:46,840 --> 01:09:49,679
Speaker 1: They do because I'm so curious. We tried to ask Thomas,

1375
01:09:49,720 --> 01:09:51,800
Speaker 1: but I'm so curious about that cast because we don't

1376
01:09:51,840 --> 01:09:53,760
Speaker 1: know any of them sing a cast picture and like,

1377
01:09:54,120 --> 01:09:56,600
Speaker 1: I don't know anybody in that well.

1378
01:09:56,640 --> 01:09:58,400
Speaker 4: We all had our exits because there was a turn

1379
01:09:58,520 --> 01:10:00,479
Speaker 4: there was a turning point at the end of season five.

1380
01:10:00,600 --> 01:10:03,599
Speaker 4: So we all had our various exits and some are

1381
01:10:03,680 --> 01:10:06,920
Speaker 4: remarkable than us, some were notable and memorable, but like,

1382
01:10:07,320 --> 01:10:09,800
Speaker 4: your character was killed as well. But so the literal answer,

1383
01:10:09,960 --> 01:10:13,160
Speaker 4: as far as a fan was asking, is also that

1384
01:10:13,400 --> 01:10:15,600
Speaker 4: was the turning point where that contract was up and

1385
01:10:15,720 --> 01:10:17,960
Speaker 4: you had the plan, and so that was just the

1386
01:10:18,400 --> 01:10:19,880
Speaker 4: that was what they wrote as your exit.

1387
01:10:20,080 --> 01:10:22,000
Speaker 3: No, so I didn't I don't even know. I know,

1388
01:10:22,240 --> 01:10:23,599
Speaker 3: I know. No, No, I didn't die.

1389
01:10:23,720 --> 01:10:24,320
Speaker 4: I didn't die.

1390
01:10:24,439 --> 01:10:25,679
Speaker 3: I didn't until you're seven.

1391
01:10:25,800 --> 01:10:26,519
Speaker 1: I just wouldn't.

1392
01:10:26,760 --> 01:10:27,720
Speaker 5: No, I went off to go.

1393
01:10:28,160 --> 01:10:30,360
Speaker 3: I went off to San Francisco to go.

1394
01:10:30,760 --> 01:10:30,960
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1395
01:10:31,560 --> 01:10:34,400
Speaker 3: Okay, So when Matt met his demise, I was not

1396
01:10:34,640 --> 01:10:36,479
Speaker 3: I was no longer on the show. But I really

1397
01:10:36,600 --> 01:10:40,040
Speaker 3: just assumed that the writers needed storyline to to fill

1398
01:10:40,120 --> 01:10:42,640
Speaker 3: out and so that they used that. But I was

1399
01:10:42,800 --> 01:10:46,439
Speaker 3: indeed disappointed that that's the way he went out. But

1400
01:10:47,640 --> 01:10:50,920
Speaker 3: but I understood it, and he Matt had gone off

1401
01:10:50,960 --> 01:10:54,719
Speaker 3: to San Francisco to pursue either fully becoming a doctor

1402
01:10:55,080 --> 01:10:58,200
Speaker 3: or his continued social work. I forgot, or maybe it's.

1403
01:10:58,080 --> 01:10:58,760
Speaker 1: Going to work in.

1404
01:11:01,800 --> 01:11:04,160
Speaker 2: Does anyone ever really die on Melroe's place? So I

1405
01:11:04,200 --> 01:11:07,240
Speaker 2: don't think, well, we're gonna come.

1406
01:11:07,360 --> 01:11:10,960
Speaker 4: I say now, I'm just going to say now, I

1407
01:11:11,000 --> 01:11:15,000
Speaker 4: don't know. And on that note, we are so glad

1408
01:11:15,040 --> 01:11:18,519
Speaker 4: you were finding her, and we're going to ask you

1409
01:11:18,720 --> 01:11:21,000
Speaker 4: the last question that we ask everybody else. Will you

1410
01:11:21,200 --> 01:11:23,160
Speaker 4: come back again. If we ask you to come back,

1411
01:11:23,200 --> 01:11:31,759
Speaker 4: will you come back? So thank you all for your questions,

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01:11:31,840 --> 01:11:34,880
Speaker 4: all our listeners, and we'll see you next week on

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01:11:35,000 --> 01:11:35,639
Speaker 4: Still the Place.

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01:11:36,760 --> 01:11:39,439
Speaker 3: You guys are amazing. Guys are amazing.

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Speaker 5: Bye bye