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Speaker 1: Welcome to today's edition of the Klay, Travis and Buck

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Speaker 1: Sexton Show podcast.

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Speaker 2: Second hour of Clay and Buck kicks off right now. Everybody,

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Speaker 2: thanks for being here with us. And as we started

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Speaker 2: off the show, you know, because Governoran DeSantis joined us,

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Speaker 2: we'll play some of that audio for you in the

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Speaker 2: third hour perhaps and go back over a little bit

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Speaker 2: of where the political.

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Speaker 1: Landscape stands right now.

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Speaker 2: But the primary is now, it feels fully underway with

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Speaker 2: the two heavyweights, at least by the polls, not a

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Speaker 2: weight shoke by the polls. Governoran DeSantis and Donald Trump,

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Speaker 2: President Trump.

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Speaker 1: Are in the mix now. It is official.

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Speaker 2: Also, we had breaking news that just hit in the

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Speaker 2: last few moments, just hitting the news wires, so you

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Speaker 2: might be hearing it here for the first time. The

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Speaker 2: oath Keeper's individual I believe the oath Keepers. He's a

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Speaker 2: founder or a leader of the Oathkeepers that was prosecuted

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Speaker 2: for his role in January sixth on seditious conspiracy charges.

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Speaker 2: Just got eighteen years in federal prison. Eighteen years and

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Speaker 2: you would you'd have to wonder what exactly did he do?

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Speaker 2: Who goes away for eighteen years? These days, Well, I

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Speaker 2: can tell you who doesn't go away at all, it

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Speaker 2: seems Hunter Biden. Because we also have more and more information.

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Speaker 2: I think we're gonna speak to Congress and Jim Jordan

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Speaker 2: later on this week about this. The whistleblower from within

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Speaker 2: the IRS coming forward. You got whistleblowers from the IRS,

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Speaker 2: the FBI, other places coming forward on.

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Speaker 1: A whole range of issues. They realize the damage that

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Speaker 1: the deep state is doing.

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Speaker 2: But specifically Clay, the IRS whistleblower is saying there are

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Speaker 2: irregularities when it came to the Hunter Biden funding, right,

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Speaker 2: the Hunter Biden getting all this money, bribes, It's called bribes.

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Speaker 2: We can use the word, I think from around the world,

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Speaker 2: not paying taxes on it. That's usually pretty straightforward stuff.

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Speaker 2: What are your thoughts as we see so the oathkeepers

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Speaker 2: got I mean, did he I don't think he was.

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Speaker 2: He one of the ones who was even there. I'm

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Speaker 2: checking this up right now. But you tell me what

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Speaker 2: your first reaction is.

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Speaker 1: Well, I mean, this goes to what we talked about

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Speaker 1: with Ron DeSantis in the first hour, and what Trump

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Speaker 1: has discussed as well, and what I'm going to pat

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Speaker 1: ourselves on the back a little bit. Julie Kelly has

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Speaker 1: been covering this better than anybody, and I don't know

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Speaker 1: that there's any media outlet that has had Julie on

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Speaker 1: more than we have to tell this story. And you

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Speaker 1: know I went out and gave thousands of dollars of

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Speaker 1: my own personal money for these January sixth defendants to

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Speaker 1: be able to have better legal representation. Does this political persecution.

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Speaker 1: There is no way on earth that the average January

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Speaker 1: sixth who is many of them being being sentenced more

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Speaker 1: severely for what they did associated with January sixth than

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Speaker 1: people who are actually committing violent crimes. And certainly if

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Speaker 1: you compare it to what happened to the BLM riots

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Speaker 1: when far more people died. Remember the only person who

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Speaker 1: So there was someone else was part of this, the

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Speaker 1: seditious conspiracy, one of the other defendants. It's tough to

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Speaker 1: keep them all straight.

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Speaker 2: We're going to reach out to Julie Kelly to make

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Speaker 2: sure that she because she's following this, LIKELI said, more

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Speaker 2: closely than anybody and has been a real just trying.

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Speaker 1: To get you know justice.

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Speaker 2: Justice doesn't mean that all these individuals are innocent, but

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Speaker 2: far from it. But ten years in federal prison, twenty

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Speaker 2: years in federal prison is that justice at a time

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Speaker 2: when people who are murdering others are getting far less

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Speaker 2: time in prison. But let's go to Rhodes, who is

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Speaker 2: this Oathkeeper's leader dressed in combat style gear. Converged. This

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Speaker 2: negative depiction of this YU will find, just to be clear,

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Speaker 2: but converged from the Capitol after staging an arsenal of

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Speaker 2: Megs led a line of members in military style tactle

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Speaker 2: The Oathkeeper said some of some brought firearms only to

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Speaker 2: help as peacekeepers in case Trump met their demand to

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Speaker 2: invoke the Civil War Insurrection Act and mobilize a private

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Speaker 2: militia to stop Biden from becoming president. Okay, so he

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Speaker 1: Eighteen years in federal prison. Look, this is all about

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Speaker 1: charging Trump. They wanted. They have system. You have to

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Speaker 1: look at what their roadmap is, and they have meticulously

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Speaker 1: constructed a seditious conspiracy. All of these charges are being

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Speaker 1: still put a tiny little percentage chance out there. I

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Speaker 1: don't know that he has the testicular fortitude or mental

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Speaker 1: competency to pull it off. A Jedi mind trick. Brilliant

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Speaker 1: move would actually be for Joe Biden to Donald Trump

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Speaker 1: while he's running against him. Yeah, yes, because then I

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Speaker 1: think a lot of independence, because it's an alpha move

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Speaker 1: by Biden. Because you say I beat him once in

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Speaker 1: put him behind bars, I'm gonna beat his ass again

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Speaker 2: He's not gonna do it, though, there's no way that's

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Speaker 2: what because he'll upset that, he'll upset his lunatic Democrat base.

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Speaker 2: By the way, Julie's confirmed for one thirty. So look,

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Speaker 2: we're handling breaking news that it comes in. There have

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Speaker 2: January sixth. I want to say numbers, but it's been

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Speaker 2: hundreds and hundreds of people prosecuted on jan six This is, uh,

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Speaker 2: the biggest sentence that we have seen. Stuart Rhodes is

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Speaker 2: the individual here. We're talking about eighteen years in federal prison.

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Speaker 2: And I understand there's no there's no parole. He's served

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Speaker 2: doesn't have parole. So he's he's gonna spend almost two

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Speaker 2: going to spend two decades in prison because of some

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Speaker 2: reckless talk about overthrowing the government or how you know that,

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Speaker 2: I don't know. I have to look into all the

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Speaker 2: text messages. Didn't hurt anybody didn't actually actively try to

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Speaker 1: I'll give you a prominent case. It's going to get

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Speaker 1: covering all these cases so well, it's not just that

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Speaker 1: they are barely prosecuting anybody for violent crime in Washington,

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Speaker 2: So I'm gonna use my little CIA coup overthrow tiny

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Speaker 2: tinpot dictatorship. Brain here for a second. If the oathkeeper's guy,

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Speaker 2: if they had this stash of weapons, that why.

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Speaker 1: Did none of them bring weapons?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, if their intent was to use weapons to overthrow

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Speaker 2: the government, why is it that they brought placards? You know,

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Speaker 2: like what you bring to a protest, and you know, yeah,

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Speaker 2: some of the like the tactical gear that they brought,

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Speaker 2: but it's stuff to deal with gas masks. I've been

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Speaker 2: the term journalists, but I've covered them for media purposes. Right,

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Speaker 2: I've been there and seen they have little plastic shields

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Speaker 2: I don't overthrowing the government, even though they say they

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Speaker 1: They're anarchists.

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Speaker 2: They talk about how they want to overthrow the existing order,

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Speaker 2: even though they're a violent extremist group. But that's the

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Speaker 2: If these individuals were part of a conspiracy to stockpile weapons,

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Speaker 1: Yeah? I also what is that?

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Speaker 2: And how do you and then you ask a questions

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Speaker 1: That that, to me is the big point here. If

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Speaker 1: are indicative of what the vast majority of people who

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Speaker 1: they are the greatest threats to American democracy that have

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Speaker 1: When you're talking about threats to democracy and you are

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Speaker 1: the Department of Justice that's raiding the home of a

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Speaker 1: former president, and you are trying to put a former

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Speaker 1: of the party in power. This is third world Banana

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Speaker 1: Republic level idiocy, and frankly, wat scarier than anything that

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Speaker 2: The judge here in DC META said about this defendant

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Speaker 2: who is now going away for eighteen years, You, sir,

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Speaker 2: present an ongoing threat and a peril to this country,

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Speaker 2: I have a feeling that Judge is a lib who

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Speaker 2: is not to say that people who who broke who

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Speaker 1: None? No BLM protester, and there were far more of

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Speaker 2: You know, you sit here, you wonder how much time

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Speaker 1: Back in Clay Travis Buck Sexton Show. Appreciate all of

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Speaker 3: Hey, Clay and Buck, Good afternoon, Fellas. Three quick things

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Speaker 2: Welcome back to Clay and Buck. Joining us now as

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Speaker 4: Thanks for having me on. So this is Stuart Rhodes,

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Speaker 4: So absolute one hundred and twenty percent that Trump is

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Speaker 4: the twenty twenty debate where he said, proud boys, stand

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Speaker 4: back and stand by. The oathkeepers are also tried tied

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Speaker 4: to Donald Trump because some of them went there to

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Speaker 4: provide security for Trump associates, including Roger Stone. So Trump's

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Speaker 4: name came up dozens of times in this one hundred

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Speaker 4: and eight eighty three crazy sentencing memorandum. What the government wanted

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Speaker 4: these nine convicted oathkeepers the prison sentences. So this will

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Speaker 4: give even more ammo to Special Counsel Jack Smith, Marrick

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Speaker 4: Garland's hand picked prosecutor special prosecutor to seek a grand

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Speaker 4: jury indictment against Donald Trump for seditious conspiracy as well.

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Speaker 4: This is problematic not just because of the potential sentence,

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Speaker 4: but because there now is case law and precedent to

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Speaker 4: deny release that means deny bond for someone who is

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Speaker 4: being charged with seditious conspiracy. So this really escalates not

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Speaker 4: just the legal threat Jeffery which has always been there

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Speaker 4: for Trump, but the seriousness of the charge and the

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Speaker 4: consequences of seditious conspiracy indictment and as.

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Speaker 1: Part of this. By the way, just in terms of

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Speaker 1: if you're someone out there and you are trying to argue, oh, well,

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Speaker 1: they're just prosecuting everybody in DC to the fullest extent

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Speaker 1: of the law. Actually, they're letting actual violent criminals off.

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Speaker 1: In fact, the data reflects that in DC they're tending

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Speaker 1: to lower felonies to misdemeanors. Right, So the district attorneys

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Speaker 1: and the people who are prosecuting in Washington, d C.

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Speaker 1: Are uniquely throwing the book at these political prisoners and

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Speaker 1: letting actual violent criminals run amok. Right, based on what

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Speaker 1: you see when you look at.

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Speaker 4: The data, that's absolutely right. And the data is that

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Speaker 4: Matthew Graves, the DC US attorney appointed by Joe Biden,

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Speaker 4: he's unique in terms of he handles both local and

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Speaker 4: federal crimes committed in Washington, d C. He has a

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Speaker 4: sixty seven percent declination rate that means declining to bring

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Speaker 4: charges against people that police have arrested and they bring

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Speaker 4: these cases to Matthew Graves's office and he declines to

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Speaker 4: prosecute sixty seven percent of the alleged criminals in Washington,

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Speaker 4: d C. Meanwhile, as one hundred percent prosecution rate doesn't

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Speaker 4: matter if it's someone who accused of parading in the capital,

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Speaker 4: a low level misdemeanor or a ridiculous, editious conspiracy indictment

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Speaker 4: that he brought as soon as he took over that office.

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Speaker 4: So that's why Washington DC as it descends into violent

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Speaker 4: chaos every single weekend. But don't worry, Stuart Rhodes. You

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Speaker 4: know this kind of crazy, kooky guy who leads the oathkeepers.

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Speaker 4: Former law enforcement and veterans are most of that group.

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Speaker 4: He will be safely behind bars for eighteen years while

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Speaker 4: other criminals run free in the nation's capital.

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Speaker 1: Julie.

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Speaker 2: One more for you. We're speaking to Julie Kelly. We

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Speaker 2: recommend her book to all of you who are listening

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Speaker 2: January sixth, How Democrats use the capital protest to launch

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Speaker 2: a war on terror against the political right. Last one

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Speaker 2: for you, Julie, what is the top count going to be?

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Speaker 2: In your mind? You said Trump is absolutely going to

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Speaker 2: be federally indicted. Just to add some specificity here, do

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Speaker 2: you think they're going to go with a seditious conspiracy

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Speaker 2: charge against President Trump?

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Speaker 4: I think since we're talking percentages, we like here and

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Speaker 4: I know you guys are sports guys. I think it

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Speaker 4: went from about fifty percent before to eighty percent after

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Speaker 4: the Proud Boy's convictions, and today this sentence saying, I

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Speaker 4: would say it's probably ninety percent chance that Jack Smith

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Speaker 4: Special Council Jacksmith will seek seditious conspiracy indictment against Donald

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Speaker 4: Trump in addition to numerous other accounts such as obstruction.

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Speaker 1: What do you think the time is, Julie in which

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Speaker 1: this would likely occur?

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Speaker 4: So, I know we've talked about this before, including last year,

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Speaker 4: but then there were some wrinkles the August rate of

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Speaker 4: mar lago than the pursuit of a classified document's investigation.

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Speaker 4: So I'm thinking there could be The classified documents indictment

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Speaker 4: could come as soon as June, and the January sixth

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Speaker 4: indictments could be July August. I can't see them going

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Speaker 4: much longer than the fall, because it looks like both

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Speaker 4: investigations are wrapping up. When the January sixth investigation the

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Speaker 4: bringing Michael Pence, Vice President Mike Pence before the grand jury,

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Speaker 4: it's hard to see how much more they can get

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Speaker 4: out of that. So I think that they're working on

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Speaker 4: both of those and we're going to see back to

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Speaker 4: back in multi talent indictments against Donald Trump from Jack Smith.

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Speaker 2: I'm sorry, Juli, I know I said last one, but

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Speaker 2: now I'm just so, I'm just I think it's so important,

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Speaker 2: so curious I have to ask your opinion on this

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Speaker 2: one because you saw the federal indictment coming a long

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Speaker 2: time ago. A DC jury, I don't have to ask

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Speaker 2: you one hundred percent. In my mind, DC jury would

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Speaker 2: convict Donald Trump of anything that Jack Smith refers to

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Speaker 2: doj for an actual charge. So then wouldn't that mean

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Speaker 2: that they actually want to lock Donald Trump up?

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Speaker 4: Yes, that's exactly right.

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Speaker 1: And Julie, doesn't that also mean that the question we

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Speaker 1: talked to DeSantis about, and I saw you responding to

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Speaker 1: it on Twitter, shouldn't every Republican candidate, in your mind,

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Speaker 1: be pledging that they will pardon Donald Trump if they

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Speaker 1: become president, because otherwise they're going to try to put

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Speaker 1: him in prison.

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Speaker 4: Absolutely, I mean pardon Donald Trump and of course all

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Speaker 4: the Jan sixers even and make sure the sentences for

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Speaker 4: even the most violent offenders are commensurate with the sentences

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Speaker 4: brought by this DCUs Attorney's office in other cases assaulting

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Speaker 4: police officers. They routinely drop cases against people in DC

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Speaker 4: who arrested for assaulting police.

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Speaker 1: Officer's absolutely right, That's what I keep saying.

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Speaker 2: I mean, Julie, you know we're we're not trying to

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Speaker 2: excuse any illegal behavior. We just want fair treatment that

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Speaker 2: isn't infused with nothing but political malice. And that is

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Speaker 2: what we have seen. But thanks to your coverage, at

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Speaker 2: least the American people know about what's going on. We'll

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Speaker 2: continue to talk about it. Julie Kelly, thank you again

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Speaker 2: for being with us. We appreciate you anytime.

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Speaker 4: Guys, thanks for covering my work.

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Speaker 2: talking about inflation and what are they going to do

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Speaker 1: Learn laugh, and join us on the weekend on our

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Speaker 1: back in Clay Travis Buck Sexton Show. We obviously are

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Speaker 1: covering a variety of subjects, but man, Julie Kelly is

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Speaker 1: so fantastic. I hope you enjoy listening to her as

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Speaker 1: much as Buck and myself do, because really, what she

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Speaker 1: has done is be so correct about everything the Department

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Speaker 1: of Justice has coming as it pertains to Donald Trump.

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Speaker 1: And if she is right, and she's been right about

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Speaker 1: almost everything with us over the past couple of years,

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Speaker 1: then we're getting ready for Department of Justice indictments. Your

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Speaker 1: federal government is going to indict Donald Trump, the leading

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Speaker 1: candidate to take on Joe Biden in the twenty twenty

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Speaker 1: four election. And truly that will be an action that

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Speaker 1: is without any precedent in the two hundred and forty

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Speaker 1: plus years of this country. And when we come back

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Speaker 1: to the top of the third hour, I'll play you

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Speaker 1: a discussion of Ron DeSantis, who was on with us

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Speaker 1: to start the program today, discussing that. But I wanted

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Speaker 1: to get a couple more of your calls. By the way,

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Speaker 1: you can load up third hour. We'll continue to take

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Speaker 1: your calls reacting eight hundred two eight two two eight

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Speaker 1: eight to two. Jordan up in Saint Paul, Minnesota, what's

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Speaker 1: your take on Trump the DeSantis now that it's officially underway.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I am Trump all the way. I think, Uh,

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Speaker 5: you know, Trump is brashed, but The only reason he's

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Speaker 5: so controversial is crazy mainstream media of the deep state

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Speaker 5: constantly attacking him. I think to go to Santis, it

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Speaker 5: feels like I'm kind of taking marching orders from Joy Red.

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Speaker 1: And look, Hi, thank you for the call, Jordan. I

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Speaker 1: understand buck people out there who say I'm all in

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Speaker 1: on Trump, I'm not gonna move, I'm not gonna waiver.

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Speaker 1: I'm maga to the core. I understand that completely. Did

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Speaker 1: he say taking marching orders from Joy Reach. We've had

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Speaker 1: some people calling in like George Soros wants DeSantis to win,

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Speaker 1: or now Joy Reid wants DeSantis to win. That is

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Speaker 1: that is a laughably absurd position. I let's go to

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Speaker 1: the next call. Who have we Gyler in West Texas

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Speaker 1: wants to weigh in, Kyler, appreciate you, my man, what

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Speaker 1: you got Heny.

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Speaker 6: Thanks for taking my call. First of all, the loyalty

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Speaker 6: analogy that you gave earlier earlier is perfect. If you

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Speaker 6: want loyalty, get a dog, all right. But my question

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Speaker 6: to you guys, I.

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Speaker 2: Bet can I say it's sort of a lot of people.

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Speaker 2: I want to interrupt you. I want you to keep going,

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Speaker 2: just it is kind of winer stuff.

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Speaker 1: I don't. I don't.

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Speaker 2: I've never you know, it's an argument that's never been

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Speaker 2: used before in politics for a reason, which is that

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Speaker 2: I don't. I think it's really that's not persuasive to

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Speaker 2: me anyway, keep going.

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Speaker 6: So, I believe that this political persecution against Trump is

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Speaker 6: to elevate him in the primary. I think that the

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Speaker 6: Democrats think that he is beatable, yep, and they're afraid

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Speaker 6: of this antis So my question is, is they're worried

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Speaker 6: that the Democrats jumped into the primary in some of

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Speaker 6: these states and vote in Trump just because they feel

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Speaker 6: like they could beat him in the general.

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Speaker 1: You know, Kyler, I think it's such a smart question.

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Speaker 1: What did we see buck In twenty twenty two, Democrats

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Speaker 1: spent millions on MAGA candidates to try to make sure

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Speaker 1: they were the nine and it work.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, just what to remind everybody of that the Democrats

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Speaker 2: strategy was push MAGA candidates in a bunch of places

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Speaker 2: because we're going to crush them, and everywhere they did

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Speaker 2: that it works.

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Speaker 1: Now.

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Speaker 2: You can tell me that it won't work again, you

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Speaker 2: can tell me that they cheated, you can tell me

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Speaker 2: a million things, but it did work. So I think

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Speaker 2: that's worth us all noting millions of dollars they spent.

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Speaker 1: And it's incredibly hypocritical because on the one hand, they're

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Speaker 1: arguing Donald Trump and his supporters are legitimate threats to democracy.

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Speaker 1: On the other hand, look at what they're doing. They're

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Speaker 1: spending millions of dollars to elevate Trumps supporters, to put

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Speaker 1: them on the ballot because they think they have more

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Speaker 1: likely chance to beat them. Look, they were wrong in

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Speaker 1: twenty sixteen. They wanted Trump against Hillary and they lost.

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Speaker 1: They want Trump against Biden. If Democrats could pick who

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Speaker 1: the running mate, running challenger is, they would pick Trump.

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Speaker 2: Now, we have a new response video response from Donald

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Speaker 2: Trump that has been released, a response to the Desantas announcment.

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Speaker 2: We're going to play that for you coming up in

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Speaker 2: in the next hour. Well, it's gonna remind I know

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Speaker 2: there are a couple of Trump staffers right now who

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Speaker 2: are listening. I know a couple that come to mind

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Speaker 2: right away. Have the big guy call us. The Trump

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Speaker 2: phone is open. He is welcome to call in anytime.

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Speaker 2: We want to hear from him. We want I'd love

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Speaker 2: to hear him talk about the loyalty argument personally and

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Speaker 2: I'll make it to this audience.

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Speaker 1: Let's let's go.

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