1 00:00:01,080 --> 00:00:06,440 Speaker 1: Conversations on life, style, beauty and relationships. It's The Velvet's 2 00:00:06,480 --> 00:00:08,240 Speaker 1: Edge Podcast with Kelly Henderson. 3 00:00:08,920 --> 00:00:13,880 Speaker 2: Intuitive healer Ebony Banks is here. Hi Ebany, Hello Kelly, 4 00:00:13,920 --> 00:00:16,319 Speaker 2: how are you. I'm good? Thank you. We were just 5 00:00:16,360 --> 00:00:20,040 Speaker 2: actually talking about PMS because both of us are struggling 6 00:00:20,040 --> 00:00:23,960 Speaker 2: there this month, so you guys bear with us and 7 00:00:24,000 --> 00:00:25,960 Speaker 2: our listeners know this. And I was just telling you 8 00:00:26,000 --> 00:00:28,560 Speaker 2: that we have a monthly word every month. It's like 9 00:00:28,600 --> 00:00:31,159 Speaker 2: the theme of the month, and this month's word is 10 00:00:31,160 --> 00:00:34,960 Speaker 2: the word guts, and so I couldn't, like, I couldn't 11 00:00:34,960 --> 00:00:38,599 Speaker 2: think of another perfect topic than intuition. And so when 12 00:00:38,640 --> 00:00:40,000 Speaker 2: I was introduced to you, I was like, oh, I 13 00:00:40,000 --> 00:00:41,599 Speaker 2: have to have her on this month because when I 14 00:00:41,640 --> 00:00:46,280 Speaker 2: think of guts, I immediately go to gut instinct, which 15 00:00:46,320 --> 00:00:49,640 Speaker 2: is intuition. And you are an intuitive healer, so you've 16 00:00:49,640 --> 00:00:53,640 Speaker 2: made a whole career out of this. I know that 17 00:00:53,760 --> 00:00:57,560 Speaker 2: you come from a line of spiritual healers. So can 18 00:00:57,600 --> 00:00:59,920 Speaker 2: you just tell us a little bit about how you 19 00:01:00,200 --> 00:01:02,200 Speaker 2: discovered you have these gifts? 20 00:01:02,840 --> 00:01:06,040 Speaker 3: Yes, So it's a bit of a lifelong journey, you know. 21 00:01:06,200 --> 00:01:09,560 Speaker 3: I started. I was intuitive as a child. Okay, as 22 00:01:09,600 --> 00:01:12,959 Speaker 3: a child, though I just didn't know that it was intuitive. 23 00:01:13,120 --> 00:01:15,760 Speaker 3: You know, I was raised in a Christian family. The 24 00:01:15,840 --> 00:01:18,400 Speaker 3: only thing I knew about spirituality was what I learned 25 00:01:18,440 --> 00:01:20,000 Speaker 3: at church about Jesus, you. 26 00:01:19,880 --> 00:01:22,400 Speaker 4: Know, so outside of that, I did not know. 27 00:01:22,959 --> 00:01:25,080 Speaker 3: So I didn't know that what I was experiencing was 28 00:01:25,080 --> 00:01:29,479 Speaker 3: a spiritual experience. And I thought of myself as bad 29 00:01:29,760 --> 00:01:33,040 Speaker 3: sometimes because I knew things people didn't tell me. And 30 00:01:33,040 --> 00:01:35,440 Speaker 3: then sometimes I would think, Oh, I'm just really smart, 31 00:01:35,520 --> 00:01:38,640 Speaker 3: That's how I know these things. Like I was totally confused, 32 00:01:39,360 --> 00:01:42,600 Speaker 3: and then as I got older, I thought it went away. 33 00:01:42,920 --> 00:01:45,640 Speaker 3: When I was like a teenager, I thought it left me. 34 00:01:45,680 --> 00:01:47,840 Speaker 3: That's how I used to think about it because I 35 00:01:47,880 --> 00:01:51,320 Speaker 3: wasn't having the same kind of experiences. And then when 36 00:01:51,320 --> 00:01:53,600 Speaker 3: I was in my twenties, I met like minded people 37 00:01:53,640 --> 00:01:56,960 Speaker 3: who gave me language to these experiences and like taught 38 00:01:57,040 --> 00:01:59,640 Speaker 3: me all these like metaphysical spiritual things. 39 00:01:59,680 --> 00:02:02,480 Speaker 4: I was like, Oh, that's what this is. Oh that's 40 00:02:02,520 --> 00:02:03,120 Speaker 4: what this is. 41 00:02:03,280 --> 00:02:06,800 Speaker 3: So it was really helpful because I started to accept myself. 42 00:02:06,960 --> 00:02:10,240 Speaker 2: You know, yeah, well, when you say these experiences, can 43 00:02:10,240 --> 00:02:12,400 Speaker 2: you talk us through a little bit about what that 44 00:02:12,480 --> 00:02:13,240 Speaker 2: even means? 45 00:02:13,800 --> 00:02:14,640 Speaker 4: Yes, for sure. 46 00:02:16,200 --> 00:02:20,600 Speaker 3: So right now, my dominant my dominant skill, it's an 47 00:02:20,680 --> 00:02:24,440 Speaker 3: unusual skill, is being clear tangent, right, And most people 48 00:02:24,520 --> 00:02:27,920 Speaker 3: are familiar with clairvoyant, you know, you see that in 49 00:02:27,960 --> 00:02:31,240 Speaker 3: like pop culture and movies and stuff, and there are 50 00:02:31,400 --> 00:02:35,800 Speaker 3: lots of clear senses. And so Claire, the word Claire 51 00:02:35,880 --> 00:02:39,000 Speaker 3: ce lai r. It just means clear, and then the 52 00:02:39,160 --> 00:02:42,560 Speaker 3: ending kind of tells you, like what the the unusual 53 00:02:42,600 --> 00:02:46,200 Speaker 3: skill is. And so tangent means touch. And so my 54 00:02:46,280 --> 00:02:49,760 Speaker 3: dominant expression now is, you know, I have readings with people, 55 00:02:49,840 --> 00:02:52,960 Speaker 3: and when I touch them, I can get information about them, 56 00:02:53,120 --> 00:02:55,760 Speaker 3: and I basically think about it as I'm telling them 57 00:02:55,800 --> 00:02:59,800 Speaker 3: what their body is telling me. But as a child, 58 00:03:00,040 --> 00:03:03,760 Speaker 3: I was experiencing Claire sentient, which is clear feeling, and 59 00:03:03,840 --> 00:03:05,920 Speaker 3: I think a lot of us are Claire sentient. There 60 00:03:05,919 --> 00:03:08,519 Speaker 3: are a lot of very sensitive people who can walk 61 00:03:08,520 --> 00:03:10,760 Speaker 3: in a room and feel the energy and you know, 62 00:03:10,760 --> 00:03:14,040 Speaker 3: know what's going on. They may not call themselves Claire sentient, 63 00:03:14,120 --> 00:03:17,600 Speaker 3: but I think that's what they are. And I was 64 00:03:17,600 --> 00:03:21,440 Speaker 3: also experiencing Claire cognizant, which is when you just automatically 65 00:03:21,520 --> 00:03:24,960 Speaker 3: know something without someone telling you. That's mostly what I 66 00:03:25,040 --> 00:03:28,320 Speaker 3: experienced as a child, But clear tangent didn't come until 67 00:03:28,680 --> 00:03:32,440 Speaker 3: years later, and I accidentally learned I was clear tangent. 68 00:03:32,919 --> 00:03:34,320 Speaker 2: What do you mean you accidentally? 69 00:03:34,840 --> 00:03:37,280 Speaker 4: I know, so it's been of a long story. 70 00:03:37,400 --> 00:03:41,120 Speaker 3: So I was, you know, I've always been a spiritual person, 71 00:03:41,200 --> 00:03:44,840 Speaker 3: you know, for life, and so I was going to 72 00:03:44,920 --> 00:03:48,440 Speaker 3: these like spiritual gatherings at this woman's house. She was 73 00:03:48,480 --> 00:03:51,240 Speaker 3: a reiki master. I live in Brooklyn, New York, and 74 00:03:51,280 --> 00:03:53,720 Speaker 3: she was having him in Brooklyn. And so one day 75 00:03:53,760 --> 00:03:56,480 Speaker 3: I scheduled an appointment with her to have I thought 76 00:03:56,520 --> 00:03:58,760 Speaker 3: it was either like my chakras a line, or my 77 00:03:59,440 --> 00:04:03,440 Speaker 3: energy block cleared, something like that. And so I go 78 00:04:03,520 --> 00:04:05,520 Speaker 3: to the I show up for the appointment and she's 79 00:04:05,600 --> 00:04:08,400 Speaker 3: ready to attune me to reiki. And I had no 80 00:04:08,480 --> 00:04:11,680 Speaker 3: interest in being a reiki practitioner at all, but because 81 00:04:11,880 --> 00:04:14,160 Speaker 3: that's what she was ready to do that day, I 82 00:04:14,240 --> 00:04:16,720 Speaker 3: just kind of went with the flow, you know. So 83 00:04:16,800 --> 00:04:19,560 Speaker 3: we're in this park in Brooklyn and she's praying over 84 00:04:19,600 --> 00:04:22,160 Speaker 3: me and doing all these things, and you know, this 85 00:04:22,240 --> 00:04:24,640 Speaker 3: man comes over and he asks what we're doing. He 86 00:04:24,680 --> 00:04:27,400 Speaker 3: can see the paper say reiki, and he asked if 87 00:04:27,440 --> 00:04:30,320 Speaker 3: I want to practice on him. So he lays down 88 00:04:30,320 --> 00:04:32,760 Speaker 3: in the grass and I'm essentially doing what she just 89 00:04:32,800 --> 00:04:36,200 Speaker 3: taught me to do. I start with his feet and 90 00:04:36,440 --> 00:04:39,640 Speaker 3: I'm starting to get all this information and reiki is 91 00:04:39,680 --> 00:04:43,480 Speaker 3: typically a silent practice, So as I'm receiving the information, 92 00:04:43,600 --> 00:04:47,440 Speaker 3: I'm asking the woman like, can I talk, because like, 93 00:04:47,480 --> 00:04:49,320 Speaker 3: I have stuff I want to say to him, you know, 94 00:04:50,000 --> 00:04:52,760 Speaker 3: And she was like sure. So I started talking to 95 00:04:52,839 --> 00:04:54,640 Speaker 3: him and I'm getting I'm telling him all this stuff 96 00:04:54,640 --> 00:04:58,760 Speaker 3: about his wife and his daughter. It still blows me 97 00:04:58,800 --> 00:05:01,080 Speaker 3: away to this day. And the man is like, how 98 00:05:01,120 --> 00:05:03,560 Speaker 3: do you know all of this? Yeah, I have no idea. 99 00:05:03,760 --> 00:05:07,279 Speaker 3: I have never done that in life until this exact moment. 100 00:05:08,040 --> 00:05:10,919 Speaker 2: Oh my gosh. So I think it's so interesting that 101 00:05:11,000 --> 00:05:14,839 Speaker 2: you grew up with the Christian backgrounds. Did you ever 102 00:05:14,960 --> 00:05:17,400 Speaker 2: feel like I feel like sometimes there's a sense when 103 00:05:17,400 --> 00:05:20,240 Speaker 2: I start talking about this kind of stuff that people 104 00:05:20,680 --> 00:05:23,520 Speaker 2: look at it very taboo like, like it's almost like 105 00:05:23,560 --> 00:05:27,279 Speaker 2: a witchy thing versus or like a woo woo or 106 00:05:27,279 --> 00:05:29,280 Speaker 2: a woke or whatever you want to say, all those 107 00:05:29,320 --> 00:05:32,359 Speaker 2: words versus a spiritual experience. So can you speak to 108 00:05:32,400 --> 00:05:34,760 Speaker 2: that just a little bit? Like how did you kind 109 00:05:34,760 --> 00:05:37,960 Speaker 2: of grapple with that difference in your mind? 110 00:05:38,680 --> 00:05:38,840 Speaker 4: Well? 111 00:05:38,839 --> 00:05:41,719 Speaker 3: I didn't tell anybody, you know, I didn't tell a 112 00:05:41,760 --> 00:05:45,080 Speaker 3: single soul what was happening. I kept it to myself forever, 113 00:05:45,880 --> 00:05:48,440 Speaker 3: and probably wasn't until I was like in my twenties 114 00:05:48,440 --> 00:05:50,599 Speaker 3: that I started talking to people. Because I used to 115 00:05:50,640 --> 00:05:53,760 Speaker 3: think as when I was like in my late teens 116 00:05:53,760 --> 00:05:55,680 Speaker 3: and it was starting to come back again or I 117 00:05:55,720 --> 00:05:58,000 Speaker 3: was paying more attention, I used to wonder if, like 118 00:05:58,200 --> 00:06:03,040 Speaker 3: I'm crazy, you know, yeah, do other people constantly get 119 00:06:03,080 --> 00:06:04,719 Speaker 3: information about other people? 120 00:06:04,800 --> 00:06:06,760 Speaker 4: Like what is going on? Right? 121 00:06:07,160 --> 00:06:10,599 Speaker 3: I had no idea, But as far as Christianity goes, 122 00:06:11,000 --> 00:06:15,480 Speaker 3: it just really expands my perspective or my perception of 123 00:06:15,560 --> 00:06:18,240 Speaker 3: you know, God, you know, because I know God is real, 124 00:06:18,600 --> 00:06:21,440 Speaker 3: you know, God is everything the way I understand it, 125 00:06:22,040 --> 00:06:25,360 Speaker 3: and so, you know, I just think it's we are 126 00:06:25,560 --> 00:06:28,600 Speaker 3: non physical beings as much as we are physical beings, 127 00:06:28,680 --> 00:06:31,760 Speaker 3: you know. And I was raised with that Christian phrase 128 00:06:31,800 --> 00:06:34,200 Speaker 3: like we're all made in the likeness of God, you know, 129 00:06:34,839 --> 00:06:38,840 Speaker 3: and so I think our likeness is our non physical expression. 130 00:06:39,279 --> 00:06:42,600 Speaker 3: And I think for me, this is like my expression 131 00:06:42,600 --> 00:06:44,480 Speaker 3: of that, you know. I think it's like the Spirit 132 00:06:44,640 --> 00:06:48,159 Speaker 3: is working through me in some capacity allows me to 133 00:06:48,200 --> 00:06:51,520 Speaker 3: do this. But everyone can do it. Everyone doesn't believe 134 00:06:51,560 --> 00:06:54,240 Speaker 3: in it or doesn't you know, because they think it's 135 00:06:54,240 --> 00:06:56,320 Speaker 3: wu wu or witchy or whatever the case may be. 136 00:06:56,360 --> 00:06:59,640 Speaker 3: But I think of it as just another expression of God. 137 00:07:00,040 --> 00:07:03,360 Speaker 2: You know. Do you feel like the more that you've 138 00:07:03,360 --> 00:07:06,680 Speaker 2: opened yourself up to that mentality that the more the 139 00:07:07,480 --> 00:07:09,600 Speaker 2: like the skill set it's coming in, or it's just 140 00:07:09,640 --> 00:07:13,440 Speaker 2: getting even stronger, like whatever? Do you hear voices like 141 00:07:13,480 --> 00:07:14,680 Speaker 2: how does it come to you? 142 00:07:14,880 --> 00:07:15,640 Speaker 4: Yeah? 143 00:07:15,840 --> 00:07:19,720 Speaker 3: So I think for sure what I've learned is being 144 00:07:19,760 --> 00:07:23,120 Speaker 3: honest with yourself, you know, is definitely one way to 145 00:07:23,200 --> 00:07:27,200 Speaker 3: access your intuition because Okay, I think of intuition as guidance, 146 00:07:27,520 --> 00:07:29,680 Speaker 3: which is why I connect it to like the spiritual world, 147 00:07:29,760 --> 00:07:32,640 Speaker 3: and you know, it guides you to your desires and 148 00:07:32,680 --> 00:07:36,280 Speaker 3: whatever you're wanting in your life. And so if you're 149 00:07:36,280 --> 00:07:38,960 Speaker 3: not honest with yourself about what you want and how 150 00:07:39,000 --> 00:07:42,200 Speaker 3: you feel, it can't guide you. You know, it can't 151 00:07:42,280 --> 00:07:44,680 Speaker 3: get you there. So I think being honest with yourself 152 00:07:44,760 --> 00:07:48,560 Speaker 3: is super important. And I think also just like having 153 00:07:48,600 --> 00:07:51,400 Speaker 3: the mental awareness that you are more than your physical 154 00:07:51,440 --> 00:07:52,440 Speaker 3: body and your brain. 155 00:07:53,480 --> 00:07:55,000 Speaker 4: Yeah, and that's a big hurdle for a lot of 156 00:07:55,040 --> 00:07:55,760 Speaker 4: people to get up. 157 00:07:55,800 --> 00:07:58,920 Speaker 3: Oh yeah, you know, but I think that is the 158 00:07:58,960 --> 00:08:02,320 Speaker 3: biggest block, because most people only think about themselves in 159 00:08:02,360 --> 00:08:05,040 Speaker 3: this like tangible way we can see in touch, but 160 00:08:05,640 --> 00:08:08,200 Speaker 3: there's so much more of us that we can't see in. 161 00:08:08,160 --> 00:08:10,680 Speaker 2: Touch, right, And I want to get into some of 162 00:08:10,720 --> 00:08:12,640 Speaker 2: those more specifics in a bit, But I want to 163 00:08:12,680 --> 00:08:15,160 Speaker 2: circle back a little bit. And we mentioned this before 164 00:08:15,160 --> 00:08:18,760 Speaker 2: we started the podcast, but you said that, you know, 165 00:08:19,080 --> 00:08:21,680 Speaker 2: obviously in most of our lives, we've gone through some 166 00:08:21,760 --> 00:08:25,560 Speaker 2: forms of trauma and whether that's a big trauma or 167 00:08:25,560 --> 00:08:27,640 Speaker 2: they call them one of the little tea traumas and 168 00:08:27,680 --> 00:08:32,440 Speaker 2: big t traumas, but a lot of your intuition has 169 00:08:32,520 --> 00:08:35,920 Speaker 2: helped you in healing through some traumatic experiences in your life. 170 00:08:35,960 --> 00:08:37,319 Speaker 2: Can you speak to that a little bit? 171 00:08:37,800 --> 00:08:38,800 Speaker 4: Yeah, for sure. 172 00:08:39,000 --> 00:08:43,000 Speaker 3: I mean, because you know, I've been I've had this awareness, 173 00:08:43,120 --> 00:08:44,600 Speaker 3: you know, since I was a child. I think it's 174 00:08:44,640 --> 00:08:47,000 Speaker 3: a little more easier for me to like access you know. 175 00:08:47,360 --> 00:08:48,520 Speaker 2: Yeah. 176 00:08:48,640 --> 00:08:51,240 Speaker 3: But the way I in hindsight, the way I process 177 00:08:51,320 --> 00:08:54,199 Speaker 3: my healing journey and how it started, I was totally 178 00:08:54,240 --> 00:08:57,559 Speaker 3: guided to doing all these things that I'd never done before. 179 00:08:58,000 --> 00:09:00,840 Speaker 3: Some of them I didn't even like, you know, but 180 00:09:00,920 --> 00:09:03,560 Speaker 3: they ended up like helping me because they really helped 181 00:09:03,559 --> 00:09:07,240 Speaker 3: me to get clear, you know, about what I wanted 182 00:09:07,240 --> 00:09:10,480 Speaker 3: and how I felt, which helped me to deal with 183 00:09:10,480 --> 00:09:14,920 Speaker 3: my trauma. So I was guided to doing all these 184 00:09:15,559 --> 00:09:19,080 Speaker 3: things that I had never done before, that I didn't 185 00:09:19,120 --> 00:09:22,160 Speaker 3: even want to do, or that I just didn't understand, 186 00:09:22,480 --> 00:09:24,960 Speaker 3: you know. And I chose to be obedient to my 187 00:09:25,040 --> 00:09:27,880 Speaker 3: own guidance, you know, because one of those things was, 188 00:09:27,920 --> 00:09:30,920 Speaker 3: you know, retreating from my social circle. All of a sudden, 189 00:09:31,000 --> 00:09:32,880 Speaker 3: I didn't want to hang out anymore. I said no 190 00:09:33,000 --> 00:09:33,960 Speaker 3: to every invitation. 191 00:09:34,760 --> 00:09:36,400 Speaker 4: You know. I went through like a bit of it, 192 00:09:36,559 --> 00:09:37,000 Speaker 4: not a bit. 193 00:09:37,040 --> 00:09:39,400 Speaker 3: I went through a depression you know, where I'd like 194 00:09:39,520 --> 00:09:41,720 Speaker 3: be in the house for four days straight and only 195 00:09:41,720 --> 00:09:44,240 Speaker 3: getting out of bed to maybe do yoga, like take 196 00:09:44,280 --> 00:09:47,040 Speaker 3: a shower, And at the time I didn't know I 197 00:09:47,120 --> 00:09:52,240 Speaker 3: was depressed, you know, but be being isolated from my friends, 198 00:09:52,280 --> 00:09:55,360 Speaker 3: which I did intentionally, you know, but I needed that 199 00:09:55,440 --> 00:09:58,000 Speaker 3: so that I could kind of get deeper and clearer 200 00:09:58,040 --> 00:10:01,920 Speaker 3: with what was true for me. And it took me 201 00:10:01,920 --> 00:10:04,720 Speaker 3: through a depression that I thankfully, you know, made my 202 00:10:04,800 --> 00:10:07,920 Speaker 3: way out of. But I was guided to so many things. 203 00:10:07,960 --> 00:10:10,880 Speaker 3: I was guided to do yoga when I had tried 204 00:10:10,960 --> 00:10:13,760 Speaker 3: yoga like ten years previously, and I hated it and 205 00:10:13,800 --> 00:10:15,080 Speaker 3: I was like, oh, I'm never. 206 00:10:14,920 --> 00:10:16,680 Speaker 4: Doing this again. This is not for me. 207 00:10:17,400 --> 00:10:19,719 Speaker 3: And then this time around, I'm in yoga class and 208 00:10:19,760 --> 00:10:22,679 Speaker 3: I'm crying after every class because my body was releasing 209 00:10:22,720 --> 00:10:25,440 Speaker 3: so much you know, pain. So you know, I just 210 00:10:25,520 --> 00:10:28,080 Speaker 3: really listened to all the things that I was guided 211 00:10:28,120 --> 00:10:28,400 Speaker 3: to do. 212 00:10:28,800 --> 00:10:29,040 Speaker 4: You know. 213 00:10:29,600 --> 00:10:33,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's interesting because I think sometimes, like you said, 214 00:10:33,800 --> 00:10:36,000 Speaker 2: it wasn't necessarily things that you wanted to do, Like 215 00:10:36,040 --> 00:10:39,040 Speaker 2: you were not hanging out with your friends or maybe 216 00:10:39,080 --> 00:10:42,280 Speaker 2: some things that could be viewed as fun, but what 217 00:10:42,320 --> 00:10:45,160 Speaker 2: you needed was the quiet, maybe even to get a 218 00:10:45,160 --> 00:10:48,319 Speaker 2: little depressed, to have to like pull yourself out of it. 219 00:10:48,720 --> 00:10:52,640 Speaker 2: So how do we know the difference between what our 220 00:10:52,679 --> 00:10:55,679 Speaker 2: body and our intuition is actually telling us and then 221 00:10:55,760 --> 00:11:00,760 Speaker 2: what is just maybe like our human kind of interprets, 222 00:11:00,800 --> 00:11:03,520 Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying, like maybe even human dysfunction 223 00:11:03,880 --> 00:11:06,400 Speaker 2: of yes, because I can think a little. What's dawning 224 00:11:06,440 --> 00:11:08,800 Speaker 2: on me now is like if you were talking to 225 00:11:08,880 --> 00:11:12,600 Speaker 2: an addict, for instance, like how would you tell them 226 00:11:14,240 --> 00:11:16,439 Speaker 2: this is how you listen to your intuition and this 227 00:11:16,480 --> 00:11:17,160 Speaker 2: is your addiction. 228 00:11:17,800 --> 00:11:21,760 Speaker 3: Yeah, Oh, that's such a good question, Thank you. I mean, 229 00:11:21,880 --> 00:11:26,480 Speaker 3: intuition will always feel good, okay, and the message will 230 00:11:26,480 --> 00:11:30,560 Speaker 3: only be loving. Oh okay, it will only be loving, 231 00:11:30,640 --> 00:11:33,840 Speaker 3: you know, even a perspective it gives you on a 232 00:11:33,880 --> 00:11:37,599 Speaker 3: particular scenario or how to understand something, it will. 233 00:11:37,400 --> 00:11:39,840 Speaker 4: Only be loving, you know. Okay. 234 00:11:40,360 --> 00:11:43,480 Speaker 3: Yeah, So those are two really you know, key things 235 00:11:43,480 --> 00:11:46,800 Speaker 3: to look out for. And it's also the quiet, smaller 236 00:11:46,880 --> 00:11:50,240 Speaker 3: voice in the background. Your thoughts are very loud and 237 00:11:50,400 --> 00:11:54,079 Speaker 3: very assertive, you know, your intuition Initially, until you start 238 00:11:54,080 --> 00:11:56,800 Speaker 3: to use it more, it's going to be really quiet, 239 00:11:57,320 --> 00:11:58,920 Speaker 3: you know. And then as you use it more, it 240 00:11:58,960 --> 00:12:02,120 Speaker 3: will hopefully get loud as a thought. But that's another way, 241 00:12:02,200 --> 00:12:04,480 Speaker 3: because you have to really pay attention so you can 242 00:12:04,520 --> 00:12:07,959 Speaker 3: catch it, yeah, because it is so quiet. And then 243 00:12:08,000 --> 00:12:10,440 Speaker 3: when you catch it, like really pay attention to it, 244 00:12:10,480 --> 00:12:13,440 Speaker 3: you know, it might bring your attention to something that 245 00:12:13,480 --> 00:12:16,599 Speaker 3: you've been meaning to do. It will also be repetitive, 246 00:12:17,080 --> 00:12:17,839 Speaker 3: that's the thing. 247 00:12:18,160 --> 00:12:18,320 Speaker 4: You know. 248 00:12:18,360 --> 00:12:21,040 Speaker 3: If there's some new thing that you've heard of, maybe 249 00:12:21,040 --> 00:12:23,400 Speaker 3: your friend told you about, you saw on a television show, 250 00:12:23,480 --> 00:12:26,600 Speaker 3: and you're interested in that thing, you'll see that thing 251 00:12:26,640 --> 00:12:29,160 Speaker 3: again in the magazine. You'll see it, you know, you'll 252 00:12:29,200 --> 00:12:32,920 Speaker 3: hear about it on the radio, like it will your attention, 253 00:12:33,200 --> 00:12:35,000 Speaker 3: not that it's being brought to you, not that the 254 00:12:35,080 --> 00:12:37,600 Speaker 3: radio is saying it for you, but you have that 255 00:12:37,679 --> 00:12:40,559 Speaker 3: awareness of the thing, and you're now like paying attention 256 00:12:40,600 --> 00:12:43,120 Speaker 3: to when you hear about it more. Yeah, it will 257 00:12:43,120 --> 00:12:46,320 Speaker 3: be repetitive. You'll notice that you're bringing your attention and 258 00:12:46,360 --> 00:12:48,760 Speaker 3: your awareness is being brought to the same thing over 259 00:12:48,800 --> 00:12:49,520 Speaker 3: and over again. 260 00:12:49,960 --> 00:12:54,840 Speaker 2: Okay, So when you were in your depressive time, like 261 00:12:55,320 --> 00:12:58,280 Speaker 2: the isolating in the bed is not necessarily this thing 262 00:12:58,320 --> 00:13:00,720 Speaker 2: your intuition was telling you to do, but maybe the 263 00:13:00,880 --> 00:13:04,160 Speaker 2: quiet and then the yoga and the ways to pull 264 00:13:04,160 --> 00:13:08,000 Speaker 2: yourself out of it were your intuition guiding you to heal. 265 00:13:08,520 --> 00:13:11,800 Speaker 3: Absolutely, Yeah, absolutely. I mean when I was depressed, I 266 00:13:11,800 --> 00:13:13,640 Speaker 3: would literally be in bed all day long. 267 00:13:14,000 --> 00:13:16,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, which makes you more depressed. 268 00:13:16,120 --> 00:13:18,439 Speaker 4: It does. I'd be so sleep I'd be asleep. 269 00:13:18,640 --> 00:13:21,360 Speaker 3: And it's so wild that I didn't know I was 270 00:13:21,400 --> 00:13:24,480 Speaker 3: depressed when I was behaving that way. It's crazy how 271 00:13:24,520 --> 00:13:27,439 Speaker 3: in hindsight I put that together. But yeah, I would 272 00:13:27,480 --> 00:13:29,840 Speaker 3: just be really thinking about my life. I would be 273 00:13:29,880 --> 00:13:32,920 Speaker 3: depressed at the state of my life. Yeah, and all 274 00:13:32,960 --> 00:13:35,679 Speaker 3: the things I'd experience that hurt me, like I was 275 00:13:35,760 --> 00:13:39,520 Speaker 3: just overwhelmed with all those things and I couldn't do 276 00:13:39,559 --> 00:13:43,040 Speaker 3: anything else, you know, and then like doing the yoga 277 00:13:43,120 --> 00:13:45,680 Speaker 3: and all those other things helped me emotionally, because yoga 278 00:13:45,720 --> 00:13:46,760 Speaker 3: for me is like church. 279 00:13:46,920 --> 00:13:48,640 Speaker 4: It is incredible. 280 00:13:48,920 --> 00:13:51,440 Speaker 3: It helps me manage my mental and emotional life like 281 00:13:51,520 --> 00:13:52,320 Speaker 3: nothing else does. 282 00:13:52,520 --> 00:13:52,640 Speaker 4: So. 283 00:13:52,880 --> 00:14:01,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, So when you look back on the experience, the 284 00:14:01,800 --> 00:14:04,040 Speaker 2: traumatic experience, that time in your life when you were 285 00:14:04,080 --> 00:14:08,240 Speaker 2: so depressed, and you look back now, is there a 286 00:14:08,320 --> 00:14:12,320 Speaker 2: spiritual part of that piece of your journey that you 287 00:14:12,520 --> 00:14:16,840 Speaker 2: find necessary now looking back to get to where you 288 00:14:16,920 --> 00:14:17,400 Speaker 2: are now? 289 00:14:18,200 --> 00:14:21,120 Speaker 4: Absolutely? That is such a lovely question. 290 00:14:21,360 --> 00:14:24,560 Speaker 3: I'm so glad you asked that, because, you know, we 291 00:14:25,000 --> 00:14:27,520 Speaker 3: tend to think that when we go through those really 292 00:14:27,600 --> 00:14:30,760 Speaker 3: challenging times, it's so hard and it's you know which 293 00:14:30,760 --> 00:14:33,320 Speaker 3: it is, you know, ye of course, and we think 294 00:14:33,360 --> 00:14:36,320 Speaker 3: that it's not purposeful. But I've learned that those moments 295 00:14:36,360 --> 00:14:40,360 Speaker 3: are so purposeful, you know, for so many reasons. I mean, 296 00:14:40,440 --> 00:14:44,080 Speaker 3: you know, the obvious ones around you know, demonstrating to 297 00:14:44,160 --> 00:14:48,040 Speaker 3: yourself your ability to kind of overcome, right and how 298 00:14:48,040 --> 00:14:51,240 Speaker 3: strong you are as a human being, you know. Yeah, 299 00:14:51,280 --> 00:14:54,920 Speaker 3: but also in you know, giving you, like greater appreciation 300 00:14:55,120 --> 00:14:58,240 Speaker 3: for like all of life, you know, and whatever is 301 00:14:58,280 --> 00:15:00,760 Speaker 3: happening in your life, you know, because I I've learned 302 00:15:00,800 --> 00:15:04,160 Speaker 3: not to judge things as good or bad. I think 303 00:15:04,200 --> 00:15:07,760 Speaker 3: everything just is and it's our response to it that 304 00:15:07,880 --> 00:15:10,360 Speaker 3: makes it, you know, how we categorize it as good 305 00:15:10,440 --> 00:15:10,760 Speaker 3: or bad. 306 00:15:10,800 --> 00:15:13,080 Speaker 4: But I don't even good and bad, you know. 307 00:15:13,240 --> 00:15:16,560 Speaker 3: Yeah, And I'm a sexual assault you know, survivor, and 308 00:15:16,640 --> 00:15:18,760 Speaker 3: I still don't believe in good and bad, you know. 309 00:15:19,360 --> 00:15:22,160 Speaker 2: Right as most people would hear and be like, wait, 310 00:15:22,320 --> 00:15:25,440 Speaker 2: what of course, like sexual assault is never good, No, 311 00:15:25,560 --> 00:15:28,240 Speaker 2: it just is. I like that It's a part of 312 00:15:28,240 --> 00:15:28,880 Speaker 2: your story. 313 00:15:29,120 --> 00:15:30,760 Speaker 4: It's a part of my story, you know. 314 00:15:31,080 --> 00:15:35,560 Speaker 3: I think that for whatever reason, you know, this healing 315 00:15:35,640 --> 00:15:37,920 Speaker 3: journey that I'm on is the reason why that happened. 316 00:15:38,200 --> 00:15:38,400 Speaker 1: You know. 317 00:15:39,000 --> 00:15:41,400 Speaker 3: I don't know if I would have gotten to this 318 00:15:41,520 --> 00:15:44,960 Speaker 3: place in my relationship with myself, and I've not had 319 00:15:45,000 --> 00:15:48,200 Speaker 3: to go on a healing journey, and so the sexual 320 00:15:48,200 --> 00:15:50,200 Speaker 3: assault led me to the healing journey. 321 00:15:50,560 --> 00:15:52,560 Speaker 4: Yeah, that's how I think about it. 322 00:15:53,080 --> 00:15:56,080 Speaker 2: I couldnt agree more. I actually was having a conversation 323 00:15:56,120 --> 00:15:57,600 Speaker 2: with a friend the other day and this kind of 324 00:15:57,600 --> 00:16:00,160 Speaker 2: ties into what you were talking about with how having 325 00:16:00,240 --> 00:16:02,920 Speaker 2: the physical and the non physical bodies, and I want 326 00:16:02,960 --> 00:16:05,520 Speaker 2: to talk a little bit about that more. But like 327 00:16:05,560 --> 00:16:08,800 Speaker 2: what I believe is that all of the experiences in 328 00:16:08,840 --> 00:16:11,920 Speaker 2: our life, as painful as they can be, like, that's 329 00:16:12,000 --> 00:16:14,000 Speaker 2: just life on life's terms. Life be life. And a 330 00:16:14,040 --> 00:16:17,800 Speaker 2: friend of mine says, you know, like we come to 331 00:16:17,880 --> 00:16:21,600 Speaker 2: this world and it's like a school, and and so 332 00:16:21,720 --> 00:16:24,240 Speaker 2: it's going to take us through these like ins and outs, 333 00:16:24,240 --> 00:16:27,400 Speaker 2: these ebbs and these flows, and unfortunately they are painful. 334 00:16:27,960 --> 00:16:30,440 Speaker 2: And I wish I could say otherwise, but the painful 335 00:16:30,480 --> 00:16:33,240 Speaker 2: experiences are always the ones that teach me the most 336 00:16:33,320 --> 00:16:37,040 Speaker 2: and push me to get to know myself on a 337 00:16:37,080 --> 00:16:41,480 Speaker 2: deeper level, to evolve, to grow to become the person 338 00:16:41,520 --> 00:16:43,360 Speaker 2: that I am now. And I hear you saying that 339 00:16:43,480 --> 00:16:46,440 Speaker 2: same thing, And so it is a spiritual experience at 340 00:16:46,480 --> 00:16:48,320 Speaker 2: the end of it. You know, as much as I 341 00:16:48,400 --> 00:16:51,200 Speaker 2: hate it during the process, and as much as I 342 00:16:51,240 --> 00:16:53,840 Speaker 2: can start to feel sorry for myself or be depressed 343 00:16:53,920 --> 00:16:58,000 Speaker 2: or any of the things I do know intuitively or 344 00:16:58,040 --> 00:17:01,680 Speaker 2: instinctually or internally whatever you want to say, now, I 345 00:17:01,720 --> 00:17:04,959 Speaker 2: would never be able to have the capacity that I 346 00:17:05,000 --> 00:17:08,600 Speaker 2: have now if I didn't go through that stuff, you know, So, 347 00:17:08,760 --> 00:17:11,800 Speaker 2: like you said, it's kind of getting you back or 348 00:17:12,000 --> 00:17:16,640 Speaker 2: bringing you to a deeper level of being authentically you. 349 00:17:17,040 --> 00:17:20,240 Speaker 3: Absolutely, I mean all that is one hundred percent truth 350 00:17:20,280 --> 00:17:23,879 Speaker 3: for me. And you know, it also allows you to 351 00:17:23,920 --> 00:17:28,080 Speaker 3: take control, you know, because in my case, my trauma 352 00:17:28,160 --> 00:17:31,120 Speaker 3: ran my life for so many years. You know, I 353 00:17:31,200 --> 00:17:35,119 Speaker 3: was like emotionally unable to like really have true intimacy 354 00:17:35,320 --> 00:17:38,480 Speaker 3: you know with a man like all they showed up 355 00:17:38,480 --> 00:17:41,720 Speaker 3: in so many ways, and so it was running my life. 356 00:17:41,880 --> 00:17:44,760 Speaker 3: I didn't have control, and so I chose to heal 357 00:17:45,320 --> 00:17:47,560 Speaker 3: and then I took back control. So I think that's 358 00:17:47,760 --> 00:17:49,879 Speaker 3: really important for people to know too. You know, like 359 00:17:50,600 --> 00:17:53,640 Speaker 3: when something whenever, whatever it is, you're experiencing big tea, 360 00:17:53,720 --> 00:17:57,520 Speaker 3: little tea, whatever it is, you know, and there's no 361 00:17:57,640 --> 00:17:59,840 Speaker 3: judgment around that, right what pains one for pain is 362 00:18:02,280 --> 00:18:05,560 Speaker 3: but it's really important to like take it back, take 363 00:18:05,600 --> 00:18:08,600 Speaker 3: yourself back away from that pain and choose to go 364 00:18:08,680 --> 00:18:10,920 Speaker 3: on the healing journey. And the healing journey is hard 365 00:18:10,920 --> 00:18:13,880 Speaker 3: and long, but it's so well worth it. 366 00:18:14,280 --> 00:18:17,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, let's talk a little bit about connecting the physical 367 00:18:17,840 --> 00:18:20,600 Speaker 2: and the non physical self, because I think what we 368 00:18:20,880 --> 00:18:24,600 Speaker 2: just touched on really kind of does speak to our soul, 369 00:18:24,680 --> 00:18:27,879 Speaker 2: and it's like the non physical self. It's the inside, 370 00:18:27,920 --> 00:18:30,400 Speaker 2: it's whatever you want to say. If you believe in reincarnation, 371 00:18:30,480 --> 00:18:32,159 Speaker 2: it's the thing that comes back to the earth of a 372 00:18:32,160 --> 00:18:35,400 Speaker 2: million times. So can you talk a little bit about 373 00:18:36,040 --> 00:18:37,320 Speaker 2: connecting those two. 374 00:18:38,400 --> 00:18:38,680 Speaker 4: Yes. 375 00:18:39,480 --> 00:18:41,719 Speaker 3: So, you know, I think of us, I think of 376 00:18:41,800 --> 00:18:45,840 Speaker 3: human beings essentially as like, you know, we're two parts, right, 377 00:18:45,840 --> 00:18:49,680 Speaker 3: we're physical and non physical. I like those old images 378 00:18:49,720 --> 00:18:52,280 Speaker 3: of like centaurs and mermaids, which are not so old 379 00:18:52,320 --> 00:18:56,520 Speaker 3: but they originated. Oh yeah, whoever created those images. That's 380 00:18:56,560 --> 00:18:58,639 Speaker 3: what they were trying to communicate to us, that we 381 00:18:58,720 --> 00:19:02,040 Speaker 3: are two parts. But our two parts, you know, one 382 00:19:02,080 --> 00:19:05,320 Speaker 3: is non physical. We can't see it, right, They had 383 00:19:05,359 --> 00:19:07,680 Speaker 3: to in a way to tell us that we're two parts. 384 00:19:07,720 --> 00:19:10,760 Speaker 3: They had to depict it, right. So we're different than 385 00:19:10,880 --> 00:19:16,639 Speaker 3: of course a mermaid. But but our two parts work together. 386 00:19:16,760 --> 00:19:16,960 Speaker 4: You know. 387 00:19:17,000 --> 00:19:20,200 Speaker 3: I think we're our fullest, truest self when we are 388 00:19:20,240 --> 00:19:23,480 Speaker 3: acknowledging the expression of both parts of ourselves. You know, 389 00:19:23,560 --> 00:19:28,000 Speaker 3: spiritual life is super important to maintaining a healthy and 390 00:19:28,040 --> 00:19:31,120 Speaker 3: a happy physical life. And when you can balance your 391 00:19:31,560 --> 00:19:34,520 Speaker 3: spiritual life with your physical life. I think that's when 392 00:19:34,560 --> 00:19:38,760 Speaker 3: you're really living, you know, really experiencing like the fullness 393 00:19:39,200 --> 00:19:41,639 Speaker 3: that this we all get to have, like in living 394 00:19:41,640 --> 00:19:43,080 Speaker 3: on earth and being human beings. 395 00:19:43,080 --> 00:19:43,600 Speaker 4: It's such an. 396 00:19:43,600 --> 00:19:47,119 Speaker 3: Incredible thing that we just kind of take for granted 397 00:19:47,160 --> 00:19:51,000 Speaker 3: because we're it, you know, but it's fleeting, you know, 398 00:19:51,040 --> 00:19:53,240 Speaker 3: it's not. We're not going to be in these bodies forever. 399 00:19:53,359 --> 00:19:56,159 Speaker 3: And the more you can understand, you know, who you 400 00:19:56,240 --> 00:19:59,280 Speaker 3: are in spirit, as much as you understand your name, 401 00:19:59,400 --> 00:20:02,520 Speaker 3: your race, culture, all these other things that you identify with, 402 00:20:03,200 --> 00:20:06,080 Speaker 3: the more it contributes to you being like a whole person. 403 00:20:06,800 --> 00:20:08,879 Speaker 2: Okay, well, so how do we balance that? 404 00:20:09,880 --> 00:20:10,240 Speaker 4: Oh? 405 00:20:10,280 --> 00:20:12,800 Speaker 3: Wow, there's so many ways. I mean, I think meditation 406 00:20:12,960 --> 00:20:16,120 Speaker 3: is a really good way. And if you're not someone 407 00:20:16,160 --> 00:20:18,960 Speaker 3: who's into meditation or can't meditate, you have a really 408 00:20:19,000 --> 00:20:23,359 Speaker 3: hard time quiet in your mind. Just really spending time alone. Okay, 409 00:20:23,680 --> 00:20:27,199 Speaker 3: you're alone, and there's two things. And spending time alone 410 00:20:27,240 --> 00:20:29,240 Speaker 3: and being quiet when you're alone, because you could be 411 00:20:29,280 --> 00:20:31,480 Speaker 3: spending time alone and like having a party, and you know, 412 00:20:32,880 --> 00:20:35,360 Speaker 3: you can be spending time alone and like actually being quiet. 413 00:20:35,560 --> 00:20:38,840 Speaker 3: So it's spending time alone and being quiet because in 414 00:20:38,880 --> 00:20:42,720 Speaker 3: those moments you will be able to like hear from 415 00:20:42,760 --> 00:20:46,280 Speaker 3: yourself in a new way, you know, whatever situation you're experiencing, 416 00:20:46,680 --> 00:20:48,679 Speaker 3: then maybe stressing you out, you'll be able to like 417 00:20:49,359 --> 00:20:51,919 Speaker 3: get guidance from yourself around that if you just like 418 00:20:51,960 --> 00:20:53,280 Speaker 3: sit down with yourself and be. 419 00:20:53,280 --> 00:20:54,320 Speaker 4: Quiet for a little while. 420 00:20:54,400 --> 00:20:54,720 Speaker 2: Yeah. 421 00:20:54,920 --> 00:20:55,600 Speaker 4: Yeah, And if you. 422 00:20:55,560 --> 00:20:57,720 Speaker 3: Can put that into practice in your life on a 423 00:20:57,960 --> 00:21:01,320 Speaker 3: regular you know, schedule, then the more you do that, 424 00:21:01,440 --> 00:21:03,639 Speaker 3: the more that part of you expand the more you 425 00:21:03,680 --> 00:21:06,639 Speaker 3: will start to acknowledge and develop a relationship with that 426 00:21:06,720 --> 00:21:07,560 Speaker 3: part of yourself. 427 00:21:07,640 --> 00:21:07,800 Speaker 4: You know. 428 00:21:08,760 --> 00:21:11,360 Speaker 2: It's so funny you say that, because I've noticed myself 429 00:21:11,480 --> 00:21:18,360 Speaker 2: recently driving around in silence, like no radio, no podcasts, 430 00:21:18,400 --> 00:21:21,000 Speaker 2: no anything, not on the phone or anything. And I 431 00:21:21,040 --> 00:21:25,280 Speaker 2: think that that is why I'm doing that, because often 432 00:21:25,320 --> 00:21:28,800 Speaker 2: in my life there's so much going on that there's 433 00:21:28,800 --> 00:21:30,960 Speaker 2: just chaos all the time, or there's people around, or 434 00:21:31,000 --> 00:21:34,880 Speaker 2: there's you know, noise in general, and very I absorb 435 00:21:34,960 --> 00:21:37,320 Speaker 2: a lot of energy and so noise in general can 436 00:21:37,359 --> 00:21:39,600 Speaker 2: start to really overwhelm me. But when I've noticed that 437 00:21:39,640 --> 00:21:42,440 Speaker 2: I drive from place to place in silence, I hear 438 00:21:42,480 --> 00:21:43,520 Speaker 2: myself again. 439 00:21:43,640 --> 00:21:46,920 Speaker 3: Yes, you know what I mean, absolutely, And everyone can 440 00:21:46,960 --> 00:21:49,520 Speaker 3: do that in their way, maybe maybe it's when you're cooking, 441 00:21:49,880 --> 00:21:52,320 Speaker 3: maybe it's when you're gardening, maybe it's when you're walking 442 00:21:52,320 --> 00:21:53,960 Speaker 3: your dog on your. 443 00:21:53,840 --> 00:21:56,800 Speaker 4: Bike, like whatever it is for you, But just be. 444 00:21:56,880 --> 00:22:00,159 Speaker 3: Conscious of spending that kind of time with yourself, you know, 445 00:22:00,200 --> 00:22:03,080 Speaker 3: don't have your headphones on, don't think about something that's 446 00:22:03,080 --> 00:22:06,360 Speaker 3: stressing you out, just kind of be present with yourself 447 00:22:06,400 --> 00:22:07,679 Speaker 3: and in that moment, you know. 448 00:22:08,640 --> 00:22:10,760 Speaker 2: You know what's so interesting though, is I'm sitting here 449 00:22:10,880 --> 00:22:13,800 Speaker 2: thinking about certain people in my life or in my 450 00:22:14,040 --> 00:22:16,760 Speaker 2: life in the past, and the thing that they could 451 00:22:16,800 --> 00:22:19,800 Speaker 2: not do is be quiet with themselves. Why are we 452 00:22:19,880 --> 00:22:20,720 Speaker 2: so scared of that? 453 00:22:21,720 --> 00:22:21,880 Speaker 4: Oh? 454 00:22:21,920 --> 00:22:23,960 Speaker 3: I think it's because there's so much pain and stuff 455 00:22:23,960 --> 00:22:26,720 Speaker 3: that we've all experienced, and it's you know, when we're quiet, 456 00:22:27,680 --> 00:22:28,679 Speaker 3: the truth comes up. 457 00:22:29,960 --> 00:22:30,159 Speaker 1: You know. 458 00:22:30,240 --> 00:22:31,359 Speaker 4: That's why it's yeah. 459 00:22:31,440 --> 00:22:34,719 Speaker 3: And why it's scary, Yeah, because the truth comes up 460 00:22:34,720 --> 00:22:37,160 Speaker 3: when you're quiet, and you know, a lot of people 461 00:22:37,200 --> 00:22:40,160 Speaker 3: don't want to deal with their truths, you know, which 462 00:22:40,200 --> 00:22:43,199 Speaker 3: I totally understand. I totally everybody do their thing in 463 00:22:43,200 --> 00:22:43,760 Speaker 3: their own. 464 00:22:43,600 --> 00:22:48,240 Speaker 2: Time, right, So if someone is listening and they're like ooh, 465 00:22:48,280 --> 00:22:51,520 Speaker 2: like that gut wrenching kind of nauseous feeling when you 466 00:22:51,560 --> 00:22:53,840 Speaker 2: think about being quiet. Do you have one little tip 467 00:22:53,920 --> 00:22:54,720 Speaker 2: that could help. 468 00:22:54,560 --> 00:22:58,240 Speaker 3: Them take a really deep breath in that moment and 469 00:22:58,760 --> 00:23:02,480 Speaker 3: yourself that you are love hmm, Like that's the only 470 00:23:02,520 --> 00:23:04,360 Speaker 3: thing true about who you are is your life? 471 00:23:04,400 --> 00:23:07,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, like period, Yeah, regardless of all the pain in 472 00:23:07,800 --> 00:23:08,280 Speaker 2: the past. 473 00:23:08,440 --> 00:23:09,720 Speaker 4: Yes, I agree with that. 474 00:23:14,280 --> 00:23:16,760 Speaker 2: Okay, Well, let's talk speaking of love, let's talk a 475 00:23:16,760 --> 00:23:20,960 Speaker 2: little bit about self love. That's a journey that I 476 00:23:20,960 --> 00:23:22,959 Speaker 2: feel have been on the last couple of years. And 477 00:23:23,040 --> 00:23:26,440 Speaker 2: it's so interesting because I don't know that it's something 478 00:23:26,480 --> 00:23:29,120 Speaker 2: that you're necessarily conscious of when you're on a journey 479 00:23:29,160 --> 00:23:31,439 Speaker 2: like that. It's just part of the healing process, or 480 00:23:31,480 --> 00:23:34,040 Speaker 2: it has been for me. But one thing that's been 481 00:23:34,080 --> 00:23:36,119 Speaker 2: really interesting is the people in my life lately here 482 00:23:36,119 --> 00:23:39,960 Speaker 2: are just like, oh my gosh, you seem so happy, 483 00:23:40,040 --> 00:23:43,199 Speaker 2: And I'm like, what really? Like what you know? Like, 484 00:23:43,280 --> 00:23:46,439 Speaker 2: I don't necessarily on a day to day basis notice it, 485 00:23:46,960 --> 00:23:50,000 Speaker 2: but I think something that I'm putting out is a 486 00:23:50,119 --> 00:23:54,560 Speaker 2: sense of you know, calm, happy, content energy. And the 487 00:23:54,680 --> 00:23:57,359 Speaker 2: only thing that I can say that's changed in my 488 00:23:57,440 --> 00:24:00,000 Speaker 2: life is my relationship with myself. And I've kind of 489 00:24:00,160 --> 00:24:03,960 Speaker 2: come to a new self acceptance and it's not perfect. 490 00:24:04,320 --> 00:24:05,440 Speaker 2: Some days are not good. 491 00:24:05,520 --> 00:24:05,720 Speaker 4: You know. 492 00:24:05,760 --> 00:24:08,240 Speaker 2: It's all the things that I did not think self 493 00:24:08,280 --> 00:24:10,680 Speaker 2: love looked like. But it's like walking with myself through 494 00:24:10,680 --> 00:24:14,000 Speaker 2: all of it, no matter what it is. So I 495 00:24:14,119 --> 00:24:17,520 Speaker 2: have obviously had those experiences, but I don't necessarily know 496 00:24:17,560 --> 00:24:21,840 Speaker 2: how to tell people in my life what that looked like, 497 00:24:22,119 --> 00:24:25,160 Speaker 2: or how I got here, anything like that. So can 498 00:24:25,200 --> 00:24:27,800 Speaker 2: you talk to us a little bit about maybe even 499 00:24:27,920 --> 00:24:32,119 Speaker 2: using your own intuition to really tap into the love 500 00:24:32,240 --> 00:24:34,080 Speaker 2: that you know you could have for yourself, or like 501 00:24:34,119 --> 00:24:35,920 Speaker 2: getting to know yourself even. 502 00:24:36,320 --> 00:24:39,440 Speaker 3: Yes, for sure, I mean I love what you just said. 503 00:24:39,440 --> 00:24:42,160 Speaker 3: That's so beautiful. The journey you're on, it sounds so amazing. 504 00:24:42,720 --> 00:24:45,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, it really has been. Honestly, it started out very, 505 00:24:45,880 --> 00:24:49,640 Speaker 2: very painful, but it has now turned into something more 506 00:24:49,680 --> 00:24:51,359 Speaker 2: beautiful than I ever could have imagined. 507 00:24:51,720 --> 00:24:55,119 Speaker 3: I love love love hearing that, because that's you know, 508 00:24:55,240 --> 00:24:59,160 Speaker 3: what everyone will experience if they allow themselves to you know, Yeah, 509 00:24:59,280 --> 00:25:01,040 Speaker 3: I guess I've I think of you know, I definitely 510 00:25:01,080 --> 00:25:03,359 Speaker 3: think of self love. I think of intuition as an 511 00:25:03,359 --> 00:25:08,399 Speaker 3: expression of self love. Okay, because in order to really 512 00:25:08,440 --> 00:25:11,919 Speaker 3: tune into your intuition, you have to know that you know, 513 00:25:12,000 --> 00:25:14,520 Speaker 3: it will only speak to you in a loving manner, right, 514 00:25:14,560 --> 00:25:17,840 Speaker 3: and so it minimizes all that negative self talk that 515 00:25:17,880 --> 00:25:20,680 Speaker 3: goes on when you tune into your intuition. I mean 516 00:25:21,200 --> 00:25:23,880 Speaker 3: it's rare that it happens for me, you know. It's 517 00:25:24,080 --> 00:25:26,040 Speaker 3: negative self talk, negative self talking. 518 00:25:26,080 --> 00:25:26,800 Speaker 4: It happens. 519 00:25:27,000 --> 00:25:30,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's rare. It is rare, you know. 520 00:25:31,400 --> 00:25:36,800 Speaker 3: And so you create more space for like your true self, 521 00:25:36,880 --> 00:25:38,520 Speaker 3: you know, which a lot of people refer to as 522 00:25:38,560 --> 00:25:40,520 Speaker 3: higher self. I don't like high low either, so I 523 00:25:40,560 --> 00:25:43,520 Speaker 3: just say true. So you create more space for your 524 00:25:43,560 --> 00:25:46,840 Speaker 3: true self to show up when you allow yourself to 525 00:25:46,960 --> 00:25:49,080 Speaker 3: kind of just when you allow your ego and your 526 00:25:49,080 --> 00:25:52,240 Speaker 3: personality and like your brain to just kind of take 527 00:25:52,280 --> 00:25:55,879 Speaker 3: a back seat sometimes and acknowledge that you are this 528 00:25:56,000 --> 00:26:00,359 Speaker 3: other thing too, you know, other thing too. So I 529 00:26:00,359 --> 00:26:02,600 Speaker 3: think that's a really good way to start to have 530 00:26:03,119 --> 00:26:07,200 Speaker 3: a better relationship with yourself and to really allow yourself 531 00:26:07,280 --> 00:26:09,879 Speaker 3: to love yourself more, you know, because you have to 532 00:26:09,920 --> 00:26:10,880 Speaker 3: acknowledge who you are. 533 00:26:11,600 --> 00:26:15,119 Speaker 2: Yeah, my dad taught me that when the negative voices 534 00:26:15,160 --> 00:26:16,919 Speaker 2: come in, you just say, oh, thank you for sharing, 535 00:26:17,040 --> 00:26:19,720 Speaker 2: and you try to like just move on like it's 536 00:26:19,840 --> 00:26:22,600 Speaker 2: just a voice. It's just a note, it's not even real. 537 00:26:22,680 --> 00:26:24,840 Speaker 2: Most of the time, it's ever real. 538 00:26:25,000 --> 00:26:26,960 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's so true. I do the same thing. I 539 00:26:27,040 --> 00:26:28,320 Speaker 3: dismiss it like right away. 540 00:26:28,640 --> 00:26:31,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, like they're not going to not come in, is 541 00:26:31,040 --> 00:26:33,240 Speaker 2: what I've realized. And maybe it gets easier as you 542 00:26:33,320 --> 00:26:36,880 Speaker 2: keep doing it, but mine still come in too. And 543 00:26:36,960 --> 00:26:38,439 Speaker 2: you know some of the tools I use or make 544 00:26:38,480 --> 00:26:40,679 Speaker 2: a call to a friend that'll help me through that 545 00:26:40,720 --> 00:26:43,200 Speaker 2: if I can't get out of it myself. But most 546 00:26:43,200 --> 00:26:45,080 Speaker 2: of the time, when I just acknowledge it and go 547 00:26:45,200 --> 00:26:48,440 Speaker 2: oh wow, like I didn't realize that was even coming up, 548 00:26:48,560 --> 00:26:51,320 Speaker 2: But thank you for sharing, and we'll like let you 549 00:26:51,400 --> 00:26:52,480 Speaker 2: go for the day, you know. 550 00:26:52,720 --> 00:26:56,200 Speaker 3: Yes, yes, and you can encounter it with the opposite 551 00:26:56,480 --> 00:26:56,679 Speaker 3: you know. 552 00:26:56,720 --> 00:26:57,760 Speaker 2: Oh that's a good idea. 553 00:26:57,920 --> 00:27:00,400 Speaker 3: Yeah, I do when it comes up, Like even if 554 00:27:00,400 --> 00:27:02,280 Speaker 3: the opposite is not true, it doesn't matter. 555 00:27:02,720 --> 00:27:05,520 Speaker 4: Yeah, Like that's what I'm saying to myself. 556 00:27:06,400 --> 00:27:08,359 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's how you're gonna let go of it. We'll 557 00:27:08,440 --> 00:27:10,840 Speaker 2: talk us through. I know that we talked a little 558 00:27:10,840 --> 00:27:15,840 Speaker 2: bit about your clear tangency. Is that I say that? Yeah, 559 00:27:15,920 --> 00:27:18,080 Speaker 2: so talk us through, Like what does a session look 560 00:27:18,160 --> 00:27:21,320 Speaker 2: like with you? Because I know that would involve touch 561 00:27:21,440 --> 00:27:23,800 Speaker 2: and like the energy movement. I've done sessions like this, 562 00:27:23,880 --> 00:27:25,320 Speaker 2: but I want to tell the listeners a little bit 563 00:27:25,320 --> 00:27:25,760 Speaker 2: about that. 564 00:27:26,240 --> 00:27:29,399 Speaker 3: Yes, for sure, So I do both in person and 565 00:27:29,480 --> 00:27:32,840 Speaker 3: remote sessions. Okay, it's still I've been doing it now 566 00:27:32,840 --> 00:27:35,760 Speaker 3: since eleven years, and it still blows me away every 567 00:27:35,760 --> 00:27:37,520 Speaker 3: time I have a client, like, I would like someone 568 00:27:37,600 --> 00:27:40,560 Speaker 3: to tell me how this is happening, you know, yeah, 569 00:27:42,359 --> 00:27:46,399 Speaker 3: like what the heck? Because essentially I will you know. 570 00:27:46,480 --> 00:27:48,679 Speaker 3: I usually have the person laying on their back, like 571 00:27:48,720 --> 00:27:52,680 Speaker 3: in a yoga resting position, you know, and I will 572 00:27:52,680 --> 00:27:54,760 Speaker 3: start with the soul of the feet, and then I'll 573 00:27:54,800 --> 00:27:56,359 Speaker 3: make my way up to the knees, and then I 574 00:27:56,400 --> 00:27:59,920 Speaker 3: focus on like the seven main chakras, and I basically 575 00:28:00,119 --> 00:28:03,600 Speaker 3: I'm definitely touching, and I basically tell them what their 576 00:28:03,640 --> 00:28:07,200 Speaker 3: body is telling me. So I'm feeling and I'm seeing. 577 00:28:07,280 --> 00:28:09,919 Speaker 3: I can images in my mind's eye, and I feel 578 00:28:10,800 --> 00:28:13,160 Speaker 3: things that tell me you know that I can translate 579 00:28:13,200 --> 00:28:17,679 Speaker 3: into words. Right, So, okay, something is a challenge, out let. 580 00:28:17,760 --> 00:28:19,560 Speaker 3: Let me give you an example. So I had a reading, 581 00:28:19,720 --> 00:28:22,800 Speaker 3: and this is a remote reading, about two weeks ago, 582 00:28:23,280 --> 00:28:27,480 Speaker 3: and the woman's grandmother had passed away recently, and when 583 00:28:27,480 --> 00:28:31,399 Speaker 3: I was on her heart chakra. I was seeing tree bark, 584 00:28:31,920 --> 00:28:34,760 Speaker 3: like all kinds of tree bark. And usually I pick 585 00:28:34,840 --> 00:28:37,200 Speaker 3: up people on the heart chakra, right, we carry people 586 00:28:37,240 --> 00:28:40,080 Speaker 3: we love there the energy of those people. And so 587 00:28:40,240 --> 00:28:42,680 Speaker 3: I asked the woman, like, I'm seeing tree bark and 588 00:28:42,720 --> 00:28:44,920 Speaker 3: this is really unusual because it's not a person that 589 00:28:44,960 --> 00:28:47,440 Speaker 3: I usually see people. And so she shared with me 590 00:28:47,600 --> 00:28:50,400 Speaker 3: that before her grandmother passed away, they were looking at 591 00:28:50,400 --> 00:28:52,320 Speaker 3: different types of tree bark to pick out what kind 592 00:28:52,360 --> 00:28:53,600 Speaker 3: of tree to put in the backyard. 593 00:28:53,800 --> 00:28:58,280 Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, right, yeah, how like how it was 594 00:28:58,320 --> 00:29:00,480 Speaker 2: so random? Right, Like how would you know that? 595 00:29:00,920 --> 00:29:04,040 Speaker 4: Absolutely not right? I don't know this woman. 596 00:29:04,160 --> 00:29:07,280 Speaker 3: You know, she found me online and booked an appointment, right, 597 00:29:07,640 --> 00:29:12,560 Speaker 3: So right, But so I get information very abstractly like that, 598 00:29:12,720 --> 00:29:14,640 Speaker 3: you know. And then so I saw the tree bark 599 00:29:14,640 --> 00:29:16,600 Speaker 3: in my mind and I felt the tree bark like 600 00:29:16,640 --> 00:29:20,280 Speaker 3: I felt it in my body. It's hard for me 601 00:29:20,360 --> 00:29:25,280 Speaker 3: to describe. Yeah, but I'm extremely sensitive, and so that's 602 00:29:25,280 --> 00:29:27,160 Speaker 3: how my sensitivity it shows up. 603 00:29:27,760 --> 00:29:30,600 Speaker 2: You know what I have found with I have someone 604 00:29:30,640 --> 00:29:34,440 Speaker 2: I work with who has a similar gift. And it's interesting. 605 00:29:34,480 --> 00:29:36,920 Speaker 2: As I was just listening to you talk, I was thinking, 606 00:29:37,000 --> 00:29:39,480 Speaker 2: this is why I've needed the healers in my life 607 00:29:39,520 --> 00:29:42,360 Speaker 2: that I've needed. And I think that you guys are 608 00:29:42,440 --> 00:29:46,120 Speaker 2: just such facilitators for our own intuition and getting to 609 00:29:46,160 --> 00:29:50,680 Speaker 2: know ourselves and that whole process because a lot of times, 610 00:29:50,720 --> 00:29:53,040 Speaker 2: like most of us are walking around this world and 611 00:29:53,080 --> 00:29:56,960 Speaker 2: we have no concept of all of the energy is 612 00:29:57,000 --> 00:30:00,080 Speaker 2: happening in our body, you know, like we'll feel or 613 00:30:00,200 --> 00:30:02,840 Speaker 2: it'll get to the point of having a physical manifestation 614 00:30:03,080 --> 00:30:07,200 Speaker 2: of some sort like a gut issue or you know, 615 00:30:07,280 --> 00:30:11,440 Speaker 2: anything like that, and it's like we don't necessarily register 616 00:30:11,600 --> 00:30:14,880 Speaker 2: that with what we're processing through emotionally or energetically or 617 00:30:14,880 --> 00:30:17,560 Speaker 2: anything like that. So it's so nice when there's someone 618 00:30:17,560 --> 00:30:20,320 Speaker 2: who can come in and go, hey, wait, like I'm 619 00:30:20,320 --> 00:30:24,080 Speaker 2: feeling this thing and help us sort through it, because 620 00:30:24,080 --> 00:30:26,360 Speaker 2: I think a lot of times maybe we're just not 621 00:30:26,520 --> 00:30:30,480 Speaker 2: conscious of our own emotions or feelings or energies. 622 00:30:30,880 --> 00:30:33,080 Speaker 4: Yeah, that's exactly what it is, you know. 623 00:30:33,160 --> 00:30:36,560 Speaker 3: Yeah, so, and we have a million and one distractions 624 00:30:36,560 --> 00:30:41,480 Speaker 3: in the world exactly, so it doesn't help. But everyone 625 00:30:41,560 --> 00:30:44,240 Speaker 3: has the same capacity, you know, Like people like me 626 00:30:44,320 --> 00:30:47,520 Speaker 3: are not special or not for whatever reason. I'm just 627 00:30:47,680 --> 00:30:51,000 Speaker 3: really sensitive. That's how I describe it, I'm just exactly sensitive. 628 00:30:51,200 --> 00:30:53,800 Speaker 3: But everyone has the same capacity, and all you have 629 00:30:53,880 --> 00:30:56,720 Speaker 3: to do is pay attention to yourself, learn how to 630 00:30:56,720 --> 00:31:00,480 Speaker 3: pay attention to yourself, and take the cues from your body. 631 00:31:00,640 --> 00:31:03,200 Speaker 3: Your body is giving you cues all day. 632 00:31:03,720 --> 00:31:08,280 Speaker 2: You know that we are exactly know cues telling us. 633 00:31:08,360 --> 00:31:11,000 Speaker 3: If we're if we like something, if we don't like something, 634 00:31:11,120 --> 00:31:13,480 Speaker 3: if something feels good, or if it doesn't feel good. 635 00:31:13,840 --> 00:31:18,360 Speaker 3: But because we have you know, relationships, if it's professional, personal, whatever, 636 00:31:18,520 --> 00:31:21,880 Speaker 3: we're always trying to appease other people in ways that 637 00:31:21,920 --> 00:31:24,880 Speaker 3: we aren't even aware of. So we'll act like something 638 00:31:24,880 --> 00:31:28,840 Speaker 3: feels good when it doesn't right, which doesn't serve us well, 639 00:31:29,240 --> 00:31:32,600 Speaker 3: you know. So yeah, it's really about being true about 640 00:31:33,000 --> 00:31:36,000 Speaker 3: your truthful with yourself about how you feel, and then 641 00:31:36,080 --> 00:31:39,280 Speaker 3: allowing you and paying attention to like all the nuanced 642 00:31:39,280 --> 00:31:41,320 Speaker 3: things that your body is always telling you. 643 00:31:41,680 --> 00:31:45,520 Speaker 2: Okay, ebany, if someone wants to talk more to you 644 00:31:45,840 --> 00:31:47,760 Speaker 2: or schedule a session, I know you said you do 645 00:31:47,880 --> 00:31:50,360 Speaker 2: things virtually as well. So I know a lot of 646 00:31:50,360 --> 00:31:53,040 Speaker 2: my listeners are all over the place. Where would they 647 00:31:53,320 --> 00:31:54,000 Speaker 2: find you? 648 00:31:55,360 --> 00:31:57,880 Speaker 3: The best place to find me is probably my Instagram, 649 00:31:58,440 --> 00:32:02,720 Speaker 3: which is act and intuitive ebony Ebo and I Rights, 650 00:32:03,880 --> 00:32:05,760 Speaker 3: and I also leave lots of tips on there. I 651 00:32:05,960 --> 00:32:09,120 Speaker 3: just started using Instagram in twenty nineteen. I barely used 652 00:32:09,160 --> 00:32:11,720 Speaker 3: it then I just started using it again. So it's 653 00:32:11,720 --> 00:32:14,360 Speaker 3: not a whole lot on there, but I'm using like 654 00:32:14,520 --> 00:32:16,640 Speaker 3: Instagram to share and get people tips. 655 00:32:17,640 --> 00:32:20,360 Speaker 2: So Instagram and then your website, right, and. 656 00:32:20,440 --> 00:32:22,960 Speaker 3: My website, yes, which is just my name, ebany bank, 657 00:32:23,040 --> 00:32:26,120 Speaker 3: stop me, ebo and I KS. That's where you can 658 00:32:26,120 --> 00:32:28,640 Speaker 3: book an appointment if you want to learn a little 659 00:32:28,680 --> 00:32:29,640 Speaker 3: bit more about me. 660 00:32:30,400 --> 00:32:31,040 Speaker 2: Yeah. 661 00:32:31,320 --> 00:32:31,680 Speaker 4: Yeah. 662 00:32:31,880 --> 00:32:34,320 Speaker 2: If someone is or if anyone is listening and they 663 00:32:34,360 --> 00:32:36,160 Speaker 2: are just like, oh, I don't know if this is 664 00:32:36,160 --> 00:32:39,840 Speaker 2: the right thing for me, Like what would you say, Oh, if. 665 00:32:39,680 --> 00:32:41,360 Speaker 3: They don't know if it's the right thing for them, 666 00:32:41,440 --> 00:32:43,400 Speaker 3: I would say, wait until you know it's the right thing, 667 00:32:43,520 --> 00:32:47,000 Speaker 3: because I still just know. Yeah, yeah, wait until you're ready. 668 00:32:47,080 --> 00:32:51,600 Speaker 3: Because my sessions can be pretty intense. You know, your body, 669 00:32:52,200 --> 00:32:54,600 Speaker 3: your body holds every experience you've ever had. I had 670 00:32:54,600 --> 00:32:57,360 Speaker 3: another woman recently, when I touched her room, I could 671 00:32:57,360 --> 00:33:01,320 Speaker 3: feel her sexual assault, you know, and she had a baby, 672 00:33:01,360 --> 00:33:04,600 Speaker 3: and it's happened like ten years ago, and she's still 673 00:33:04,600 --> 00:33:07,040 Speaker 3: carrying this energy and was not expecting that to come 674 00:33:07,120 --> 00:33:09,920 Speaker 3: up at all in the reading. Yeah, so I will 675 00:33:09,960 --> 00:33:12,440 Speaker 3: pick up on things that you may not be ready 676 00:33:12,440 --> 00:33:15,920 Speaker 3: to address, you know, so I say wait until you're ready. 677 00:33:16,480 --> 00:33:19,600 Speaker 2: Okay, So if you start feeling curious now, now you know, 678 00:33:19,640 --> 00:33:23,080 Speaker 2: I'll put all of Ebany's information in the description of 679 00:33:23,120 --> 00:33:26,800 Speaker 2: this podcast if you do feel curious. I love this 680 00:33:26,920 --> 00:33:29,360 Speaker 2: kind of work. It has served me so well, and 681 00:33:29,400 --> 00:33:31,360 Speaker 2: again I think it's been a huge part of me 682 00:33:31,400 --> 00:33:34,640 Speaker 2: getting to know myself and my own story and listening 683 00:33:34,720 --> 00:33:36,920 Speaker 2: to my body and all of this things. So if 684 00:33:36,920 --> 00:33:39,560 Speaker 2: you guys are at all interested, I highly recommend going 685 00:33:39,600 --> 00:33:41,360 Speaker 2: to check it out. Ebani, thank you so much for 686 00:33:41,400 --> 00:33:43,040 Speaker 2: being here. It was so lovely meeting you. 687 00:33:43,640 --> 00:33:44,080 Speaker 4: Thank you. 688 00:33:45,640 --> 00:33:46,800 Speaker 2: Thank you guys for listening. 689 00:33:47,200 --> 00:33:50,200 Speaker 1: Thanks for listening to the Velvet's Edge podcast with Kelly Henderson, 690 00:33:50,400 --> 00:33:52,920 Speaker 1: where we believe everyone has a little velvet in a 691 00:33:52,920 --> 00:33:57,080 Speaker 1: little edge. Subscribe for more conversations on life, style, beauty, 692 00:33:57,160 --> 00:34:00,720 Speaker 1: and relationships. Search Velvet's Edge wherever you get your podcast 693 00:34:03,880 --> 00:34:04,200 Speaker 1: MHM