1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:02,840 Speaker 1: Do you know another parent or a soon to be 2 00:00:03,080 --> 00:00:07,160 Speaker 1: parent and expecting mom or dad. Please don't give them 3 00:00:07,360 --> 00:00:11,879 Speaker 1: another onesie or another toy that you know is going 4 00:00:11,920 --> 00:00:14,480 Speaker 1: to end up in the garage or at the goodwill. 5 00:00:15,040 --> 00:00:17,840 Speaker 1: Give them something that matters, and what matters the most 6 00:00:18,079 --> 00:00:20,599 Speaker 1: protecting your child. What do you love the most in 7 00:00:20,640 --> 00:00:23,720 Speaker 1: the world Your children? I do, and I will do 8 00:00:23,920 --> 00:00:30,600 Speaker 1: anything to protect my twins. Go to crime Stops here 9 00:00:31,040 --> 00:00:35,919 Speaker 1: dot com. It is a five part series with action 10 00:00:36,000 --> 00:00:40,400 Speaker 1: information that you can use to change your life and 11 00:00:40,520 --> 00:00:44,680 Speaker 1: protect your child's life. Payment starting at six ninety nine. 12 00:00:44,800 --> 00:00:47,479 Speaker 1: Give that as a gift, not another onesie or a 13 00:00:47,600 --> 00:00:52,919 Speaker 1: plastic toy. Give them something that matters. Find out how 14 00:00:52,960 --> 00:00:55,800 Speaker 1: to protect your child out and about at the mall, 15 00:00:55,880 --> 00:00:58,440 Speaker 1: at the store, at the grocery store, in the parking lot, 16 00:00:58,840 --> 00:01:04,240 Speaker 1: at home. Down about protection regarding babysitters, in daycare, even 17 00:01:04,319 --> 00:01:08,680 Speaker 1: online cyber security. Oh yes, my children are online, and 18 00:01:08,840 --> 00:01:11,880 Speaker 1: you better bet I'm doing everything within my power to 19 00:01:12,360 --> 00:01:17,800 Speaker 1: protect them. Payments starting six ninety nine. I would much 20 00:01:17,880 --> 00:01:22,959 Speaker 1: rather have that than yet another plastic baby doll or 21 00:01:23,280 --> 00:01:26,880 Speaker 1: god forbid, a toy gun. Just what I don't want. 22 00:01:27,520 --> 00:01:37,440 Speaker 1: Joined the Justice Nation, Crime Stops here dot com. Hello 23 00:01:37,560 --> 00:01:41,080 Speaker 1: Nancy Grays here with crime stories and our news update 24 00:01:41,200 --> 00:01:45,399 Speaker 1: at this hour breaking news. The search is on for 25 00:01:45,440 --> 00:01:48,800 Speaker 1: a little boy, Casey Hathaway. Let's go quickly to the 26 00:01:48,840 --> 00:01:52,200 Speaker 1: North Carolina's Sheriff, Chip Hughes One. Our seriousness is is 27 00:01:52,240 --> 00:01:55,480 Speaker 1: we do have Saint Coles in here. There are water 28 00:01:55,520 --> 00:01:58,960 Speaker 1: sources in here, deep ditches, and then we've got the 29 00:01:59,200 --> 00:02:03,559 Speaker 1: extreme temperatures that we're going to start feeling here very soon. 30 00:02:04,000 --> 00:02:08,240 Speaker 1: I don't think the child was adequately clothed to be 31 00:02:08,320 --> 00:02:11,720 Speaker 1: out in this, maybe a light jacket, but certainly not 32 00:02:11,840 --> 00:02:14,960 Speaker 1: prepared to get into the woods and be disoriented. You 33 00:02:15,000 --> 00:02:18,000 Speaker 1: were hearing the Craven County, North Carolina's Sheriff, Chip us. 34 00:02:18,080 --> 00:02:22,200 Speaker 1: We need your help and your prayers right now. Tip 35 00:02:22,240 --> 00:02:25,760 Speaker 1: line two five two sixty three three zero four nine 36 00:02:25,840 --> 00:02:29,639 Speaker 1: eight or nine nine six six two forty five hundred. 37 00:02:29,840 --> 00:02:33,200 Speaker 1: The search for this little boy, this three year old 38 00:02:33,280 --> 00:02:36,840 Speaker 1: baby boy, is going on right now. The search for 39 00:02:37,040 --> 00:02:42,640 Speaker 1: Casey Hathaway is happening now as we speak, as we 40 00:02:42,680 --> 00:02:45,920 Speaker 1: go to air, over fifty volunteers are out looking for 41 00:02:46,000 --> 00:02:49,120 Speaker 1: the three year old taught in Craven County. He was 42 00:02:49,160 --> 00:02:52,160 Speaker 1: playing with two other children in the backyard before he 43 00:02:52,200 --> 00:02:56,799 Speaker 1: allegedly just disappeared. The grandma and others immediately went out 44 00:02:57,400 --> 00:03:00,200 Speaker 1: searching for baby Casey. They'll look for forty five five 45 00:03:00,240 --> 00:03:04,360 Speaker 1: minutes before calling nine one one. Casey is two feet 46 00:03:04,400 --> 00:03:07,760 Speaker 1: four inches. He weighs just twenty five pounds. He has 47 00:03:07,800 --> 00:03:12,200 Speaker 1: strawberry blonde hair and brown eyes. He is a little 48 00:03:12,480 --> 00:03:17,600 Speaker 1: angel residence in the area. Please help us. We're talking 49 00:03:17,680 --> 00:03:23,080 Speaker 1: about Arnold, North Carolina, where he has gone missing last 50 00:03:23,080 --> 00:03:27,320 Speaker 1: thing wearing a blue coat and dark colored pants. Guys, 51 00:03:28,120 --> 00:03:32,079 Speaker 1: help us, help us. If you have information, call two five, 52 00:03:32,160 --> 00:03:35,200 Speaker 1: two six, three, three, four nine eight. We can always 53 00:03:35,320 --> 00:03:38,080 Speaker 1: use your prayer. Straight out to Karen Smith, forensics expert 54 00:03:38,400 --> 00:03:40,920 Speaker 1: joining me out of Florida on the search. Karen, what 55 00:03:41,040 --> 00:03:45,400 Speaker 1: should they be doing right now? Well, unfortunately, we're dealing 56 00:03:45,480 --> 00:03:48,280 Speaker 1: with a forty five minute window, and I'm not blaming anyone. 57 00:03:48,320 --> 00:03:50,120 Speaker 1: That's a long time to wait before calling nine to 58 00:03:50,240 --> 00:03:52,440 Speaker 1: one with a missing three year old boy, and that 59 00:03:52,720 --> 00:03:55,920 Speaker 1: took away the Sheriff's office league right now, I don't 60 00:03:55,960 --> 00:03:58,080 Speaker 1: have any indications of an abduction, but you have to 61 00:03:58,160 --> 00:04:00,200 Speaker 1: leave that on the table as well. I don know 62 00:04:00,240 --> 00:04:02,800 Speaker 1: if this little boy is lost as the sheriff said, 63 00:04:02,840 --> 00:04:05,040 Speaker 1: if he's fallen into a place where he can't get out, 64 00:04:05,240 --> 00:04:07,040 Speaker 1: I don't know. What they need to do is a 65 00:04:07,200 --> 00:04:12,080 Speaker 1: serious sweet starting from the house outwards, or at least 66 00:04:12,080 --> 00:04:15,120 Speaker 1: a couple of miles. At this point, I don't know 67 00:04:15,160 --> 00:04:17,080 Speaker 1: if they've interviewed the other two children that were in 68 00:04:17,120 --> 00:04:19,000 Speaker 1: the yard, if they saw him wander off, or if 69 00:04:19,040 --> 00:04:21,520 Speaker 1: they saw a stranger come into the yard. That's something 70 00:04:21,520 --> 00:04:23,839 Speaker 1: they're going to have to find out. But right now, 71 00:04:24,240 --> 00:04:26,960 Speaker 1: time is of the essence. Please help us find this 72 00:04:27,000 --> 00:04:30,680 Speaker 1: little boy, officials say. The grandmother and others church. Forty 73 00:04:30,680 --> 00:04:34,839 Speaker 1: five minutes before calling nine one one, he seemingly disappeared 74 00:04:34,839 --> 00:04:39,080 Speaker 1: from grandma's back yard. Karen Start psychologists joining me from 75 00:04:39,120 --> 00:04:42,520 Speaker 1: New York right now at She's at Karen Start dot com. Karen, 76 00:04:43,640 --> 00:04:47,640 Speaker 1: Oh those forty five minutes, Oh those forty five minutes. 77 00:04:47,640 --> 00:04:49,640 Speaker 1: If I could get those forty five minutes back back. 78 00:04:50,200 --> 00:04:54,920 Speaker 1: But you know, the grandma, don't you know, was just thinking, oh, 79 00:04:54,960 --> 00:04:57,280 Speaker 1: he just wandered away. I can call him, he'll come 80 00:04:57,360 --> 00:05:01,120 Speaker 1: right back. You can just imagine how she panic Nancy 81 00:05:01,480 --> 00:05:05,240 Speaker 1: and just kept looking thinking this can't be real. I 82 00:05:05,279 --> 00:05:08,520 Speaker 1: can really understand how that happened. Even though those forty 83 00:05:08,520 --> 00:05:12,799 Speaker 1: five minutes are so crucial to finding him and the family, 84 00:05:13,320 --> 00:05:15,320 Speaker 1: I feel like the best thing they could be doing 85 00:05:15,400 --> 00:05:18,240 Speaker 1: right now is going out there and looking and getting 86 00:05:18,279 --> 00:05:22,320 Speaker 1: involved so that they're not sitting home. I'm just with 87 00:05:22,480 --> 00:05:27,040 Speaker 1: other people thinking, he just scared to death. Karen Start 88 00:05:27,040 --> 00:05:29,719 Speaker 1: and Karen Smith, because it's just reminded me so much 89 00:05:29,720 --> 00:05:33,040 Speaker 1: of Samantha Runyon as you were called, playing at her 90 00:05:33,080 --> 00:05:38,279 Speaker 1: grandma's front yard when she was abducted. Karen Smith. Is 91 00:05:38,279 --> 00:05:42,000 Speaker 1: really hard to interview and get information out of children 92 00:05:42,000 --> 00:05:44,880 Speaker 1: that are two and three years old or younger. But 93 00:05:45,000 --> 00:05:47,320 Speaker 1: I agree with you. What did they see? Which way 94 00:05:47,320 --> 00:05:49,600 Speaker 1: did he go? Did he wander out? Did someone drive 95 00:05:49,680 --> 00:05:52,159 Speaker 1: up and get him? I mean, for all I know, 96 00:05:52,360 --> 00:05:55,040 Speaker 1: grandma could have had her back turn five minutes cooking 97 00:05:55,160 --> 00:05:57,320 Speaker 1: lunch or dinner, and the next thing you know, she 98 00:05:57,360 --> 00:06:01,080 Speaker 1: turns around, he's gone. And that's exact exactly the way 99 00:06:01,160 --> 00:06:03,640 Speaker 1: it happens. You see them one moment and the next 100 00:06:03,960 --> 00:06:07,400 Speaker 1: they're gone. They're gone in sixty seconds. Karen Smith, They 101 00:06:07,440 --> 00:06:10,640 Speaker 1: sure aren't. You know, the children don't have a sense 102 00:06:10,760 --> 00:06:13,960 Speaker 1: of place. They know that they want to wander into 103 00:06:13,960 --> 00:06:17,000 Speaker 1: a neighbor's yard, or somebody comes up and God, God forbid, 104 00:06:17,120 --> 00:06:20,480 Speaker 1: somebody offered him a toy or candy. Listen, you can 105 00:06:20,520 --> 00:06:23,920 Speaker 1: interview children. Three year olds are capable of verbal speech, 106 00:06:24,080 --> 00:06:26,880 Speaker 1: and they're also capable of telling you whether it's stranger 107 00:06:27,000 --> 00:06:29,400 Speaker 1: within the yard. There are specialist social workers out there 108 00:06:29,440 --> 00:06:31,880 Speaker 1: that are trained to deal with children. They just have 109 00:06:31,920 --> 00:06:35,120 Speaker 1: to ask, you're right, you're right tipline two five two 110 00:06:35,160 --> 00:06:37,880 Speaker 1: six three three zero four nine eight take listen to 111 00:06:37,880 --> 00:06:41,360 Speaker 1: our friends. Stay You're strong at w I t N TV. Listen. 112 00:06:42,200 --> 00:06:45,160 Speaker 1: They've been focusing their search efforts in the woods out 113 00:06:45,240 --> 00:06:48,479 Speaker 1: behind the child's house. They have been brought in a 114 00:06:48,480 --> 00:06:52,560 Speaker 1: helicopter from the High Patrol in Raleigh. They are using 115 00:06:52,640 --> 00:06:56,280 Speaker 1: heat seeking technology to see if they can find him 116 00:06:56,279 --> 00:06:59,000 Speaker 1: in these very dense woods. They also have brought out 117 00:06:59,040 --> 00:07:02,360 Speaker 1: all the stop share. He says, all of his deputies 118 00:07:02,360 --> 00:07:06,239 Speaker 1: from Patrol, all of his investigators are working against the plot. 119 00:07:06,279 --> 00:07:09,120 Speaker 1: I said, this is a very curious situation. Right now, 120 00:07:09,640 --> 00:07:12,800 Speaker 1: at this hour, we don't know how the child was dressed. 121 00:07:12,920 --> 00:07:16,280 Speaker 1: We expect the temperatures to be dipping downwards. Tip line 122 00:07:16,320 --> 00:07:19,840 Speaker 1: nine nine six six two forty five hundred or two 123 00:07:19,920 --> 00:07:23,520 Speaker 1: five two sixty three three zero four nine eight. For 124 00:07:23,640 --> 00:07:27,200 Speaker 1: this and all breaking crime injustice needs, go to crime 125 00:07:27,280 --> 00:07:38,000 Speaker 1: online dot com, Crime online dot Com Crime Stories with 126 00:07:38,080 --> 00:07:45,880 Speaker 1: Nancy Grace. This morning, Delphi police hope three words will 127 00:07:45,960 --> 00:07:49,200 Speaker 1: help them find a person who murdered two Delphi teen Yeah. 128 00:07:49,200 --> 00:07:51,720 Speaker 1: It turns out Livy German actually used her cell phone 129 00:07:51,760 --> 00:07:54,360 Speaker 1: to record what was happening to her and Abby Williams 130 00:07:54,480 --> 00:07:57,640 Speaker 1: last Monday. Police aren't releasing everything that she taked, but 131 00:07:57,680 --> 00:08:01,040 Speaker 1: they are releasing this phrase that person said to them 132 00:08:01,360 --> 00:08:04,800 Speaker 1: down the hill. Authorities looped the audio four times. We're 133 00:08:04,800 --> 00:08:07,200 Speaker 1: gonna play it for you right now. Please listen closely 134 00:08:07,200 --> 00:08:16,559 Speaker 1: to see if you recognize this voice. The Carroll County 135 00:08:16,600 --> 00:08:20,000 Speaker 1: Sheriff's Department are setting to regroup and start to search 136 00:08:20,080 --> 00:08:23,800 Speaker 1: back up for two missing girls. Thirty year old Abigail 137 00:08:23,840 --> 00:08:28,480 Speaker 1: Williams and Liberty German were reported missing yesterday. The family 138 00:08:28,560 --> 00:08:31,760 Speaker 1: dropped them off to go hiking near high Bridge. When 139 00:08:31,760 --> 00:08:34,400 Speaker 1: the girls didn't show up for their arranged pickup time, 140 00:08:34,480 --> 00:08:37,360 Speaker 1: family and friends started a search. They were last seen 141 00:08:37,480 --> 00:08:41,920 Speaker 1: yesterday afternoon. Police, sheriff's firefighters, and the Department of Natural 142 00:08:42,000 --> 00:08:44,920 Speaker 1: Resources are all involved in the search for those teenagers 143 00:08:45,040 --> 00:08:48,040 Speaker 1: right now, is there breaking knees in the search for 144 00:08:48,160 --> 00:08:53,800 Speaker 1: two little del Fi girls, Liberty German and Abigail Williams. Repeat, 145 00:08:54,200 --> 00:08:57,120 Speaker 1: is their breaking news? I mean it? See Grace, this 146 00:08:57,240 --> 00:09:00,080 Speaker 1: is crime Stories. Thank you for being with us in 147 00:09:00,080 --> 00:09:03,760 Speaker 1: the last hours. We understand that cops are now hunting 148 00:09:04,040 --> 00:09:07,800 Speaker 1: a twenty seventeen killer of these two little girls, and 149 00:09:07,920 --> 00:09:13,720 Speaker 1: they are specifically looking at a quote child molester about 150 00:09:13,760 --> 00:09:19,760 Speaker 1: one hundred miles away because of the incredible similarity between 151 00:09:20,000 --> 00:09:25,920 Speaker 1: his mugshot in a previous child molestation and the sketch 152 00:09:26,440 --> 00:09:32,640 Speaker 1: of the suspect, the suspect taken from a cell phone 153 00:09:32,760 --> 00:09:36,320 Speaker 1: snap taken by one of the little girls on that 154 00:09:36,440 --> 00:09:41,760 Speaker 1: bridge in Delphi. Repeat, looking at a guy that is 155 00:09:41,760 --> 00:09:47,720 Speaker 1: about one hundred miles away, comparing his rap sheet booken 156 00:09:48,160 --> 00:09:52,920 Speaker 1: photo to the guy on the bridge last seen with 157 00:09:53,320 --> 00:09:57,400 Speaker 1: Liberty and Abigail has been a long time coming. To 158 00:09:57,520 --> 00:10:02,959 Speaker 1: Cheryl McCollum, director of the Cold Case Research Institute CSI expert, Cheryl, 159 00:10:03,480 --> 00:10:07,360 Speaker 1: what do you make of it? Well, the resemblance is uncanny, 160 00:10:07,559 --> 00:10:11,240 Speaker 1: and not only that, you've got somebody that has harmed children. 161 00:10:12,040 --> 00:10:15,720 Speaker 1: On top of he I like the hike he's known 162 00:10:15,760 --> 00:10:19,320 Speaker 1: to go in the woods and you know, and take 163 00:10:19,400 --> 00:10:24,000 Speaker 1: these little trips, and he obviously has targeted children. Nancy. 164 00:10:24,120 --> 00:10:27,040 Speaker 1: That's Tally came on the radar. He was arrested for 165 00:10:27,200 --> 00:10:29,360 Speaker 1: trying to meet up with a thirteen year old he 166 00:10:29,480 --> 00:10:32,240 Speaker 1: thought to have take with her and it was an 167 00:10:32,280 --> 00:10:36,000 Speaker 1: undercover police officer. Well, you know what we are talking about, 168 00:10:36,520 --> 00:10:40,400 Speaker 1: a guy about one hundred miles away. Now, can he 169 00:10:41,360 --> 00:10:45,400 Speaker 1: be connected to the deaths of Liberty German and Abigail Williams? 170 00:10:45,400 --> 00:10:49,439 Speaker 1: Straight out to Lee Egan, Crime online dot Com investigative 171 00:10:49,480 --> 00:10:52,240 Speaker 1: reporter Lee start at the beginning, what do we know 172 00:10:52,280 --> 00:10:56,080 Speaker 1: about this guy? Nan? See, his name is Charles Eldridge. 173 00:10:56,120 --> 00:10:59,440 Speaker 1: He's forty six years old, and like you said, he 174 00:10:59,520 --> 00:11:02,480 Speaker 1: was around one hundred miles away from Delphi, Indiana in 175 00:11:02,720 --> 00:11:07,360 Speaker 1: Union City, Indiana, and authorities arrested him on a sting 176 00:11:08,040 --> 00:11:10,360 Speaker 1: they were posing as a thirteen year old girl on 177 00:11:10,440 --> 00:11:12,960 Speaker 1: social media. He went to the site to meet this 178 00:11:13,040 --> 00:11:16,960 Speaker 1: girl and he met police instead. And then after his arrest, 179 00:11:17,880 --> 00:11:21,320 Speaker 1: the suspect reportedly admitted to engaging in sex sex with 180 00:11:21,360 --> 00:11:25,800 Speaker 1: a different child under thirteen on multiple different occasions in 181 00:11:25,880 --> 00:11:29,640 Speaker 1: the past. Oh yeah, I say, listen to our friends 182 00:11:29,640 --> 00:11:34,040 Speaker 1: at WPTATV Randolph County Police have arrested a man on 183 00:11:34,120 --> 00:11:38,360 Speaker 1: child molestation charges. Shortly after midnight, police brought in forty 184 00:11:38,400 --> 00:11:41,440 Speaker 1: six year old Charles Eldridge of Union City and what 185 00:11:41,520 --> 00:11:45,280 Speaker 1: they called a successful sting operation. Eldridge had been talking 186 00:11:45,320 --> 00:11:48,360 Speaker 1: to an undercover detective posing as a thirteen year old 187 00:11:48,440 --> 00:11:53,120 Speaker 1: girl on social media, agreeing to meet up to have sex. Instead, 188 00:11:53,240 --> 00:11:55,440 Speaker 1: he was greeted by police who took him to the 189 00:11:55,440 --> 00:11:59,559 Speaker 1: county jail for an interview. Eldredge admitted to having met 190 00:11:59,640 --> 00:12:02,160 Speaker 1: up with a different thirteen year old child and engaging 191 00:12:02,200 --> 00:12:05,640 Speaker 1: in sex sacks on multiple occasions. He's being held on 192 00:12:05,760 --> 00:12:09,000 Speaker 1: no bond pending an initial court appearance. Now, according to 193 00:12:09,000 --> 00:12:12,080 Speaker 1: our friends at WPTA TV, you just heard that was 194 00:12:12,120 --> 00:12:16,840 Speaker 1: on a different offense. But is there any connection between 195 00:12:17,080 --> 00:12:21,199 Speaker 1: this guy, Charles Eldridge, and the murders of Liberty German 196 00:12:21,320 --> 00:12:24,560 Speaker 1: and Abby Williams. I want to go back to the 197 00:12:24,679 --> 00:12:29,640 Speaker 1: time that they disappeared off of that bridge in Delphi 198 00:12:30,240 --> 00:12:34,920 Speaker 1: and now it's synonymous with their deaths. Straight out to 199 00:12:35,040 --> 00:12:39,240 Speaker 1: Cheryl McCollum, Cold Case Research Institute director at that time, 200 00:12:39,320 --> 00:12:43,120 Speaker 1: recalls Cheryl, when we were all together at Crime Come 201 00:12:43,320 --> 00:12:46,960 Speaker 1: last year and we had on all the families. Let's 202 00:12:47,080 --> 00:12:50,120 Speaker 1: start at the beginning right now. This is our very 203 00:12:50,200 --> 00:12:52,640 Speaker 1: best lead. And I'll tell you, ask you Wilcott. Let 204 00:12:52,640 --> 00:12:54,720 Speaker 1: me go to you, Geeve, and I'll judge lawyer. You 205 00:12:54,720 --> 00:12:57,120 Speaker 1: can find her and ask you Wilcott dot com. The 206 00:12:57,280 --> 00:13:01,880 Speaker 1: resemblance and his book in photo and the photo of 207 00:13:01,920 --> 00:13:05,440 Speaker 1: the guy on the bridge is uncanny. As a matter 208 00:13:05,480 --> 00:13:07,840 Speaker 1: of fact, last night Cheryl McCallum and I were on 209 00:13:07,880 --> 00:13:12,959 Speaker 1: the phone in the dark talking about this guy and 210 00:13:13,240 --> 00:13:15,720 Speaker 1: in one of his photos, ashkan and wants you to 211 00:13:15,760 --> 00:13:17,880 Speaker 1: look it up if you can get to your iPad. 212 00:13:18,400 --> 00:13:22,360 Speaker 1: In a photo that he himself posted, it's of him, 213 00:13:22,400 --> 00:13:24,400 Speaker 1: I think, standing in a kitchen and he's gone on 214 00:13:24,480 --> 00:13:29,080 Speaker 1: blue jeans and they're ripped at the knees. I'm looking 215 00:13:29,200 --> 00:13:32,440 Speaker 1: at that compared to the bridge in Delphi that one 216 00:13:32,440 --> 00:13:36,040 Speaker 1: of these poor little murdered girls snapped just before her death, 217 00:13:36,080 --> 00:13:39,319 Speaker 1: that this guy walking toward them. I swear it looks 218 00:13:39,360 --> 00:13:42,640 Speaker 1: like the same blue jeans. Even so, Ashley, what do 219 00:13:42,760 --> 00:13:46,000 Speaker 1: you make of their similarities of his mug shot and 220 00:13:46,160 --> 00:13:48,720 Speaker 1: the guy on the bridge. So I've looked at the pictures. 221 00:13:48,720 --> 00:13:52,400 Speaker 1: I completely agree with you. He looks so similar he 222 00:13:52,720 --> 00:13:55,600 Speaker 1: could be the one who committed this an as time 223 00:13:56,040 --> 00:14:00,000 Speaker 1: now having said that, at a minimum, Nancy, at a minimum. 224 00:14:00,080 --> 00:14:03,520 Speaker 1: Thank god, this investigation is proceeding the way it is 225 00:14:03,600 --> 00:14:06,800 Speaker 1: in terms of suspects to be considered to find the 226 00:14:06,840 --> 00:14:09,280 Speaker 1: person he did it. But he could be the man. 227 00:14:09,520 --> 00:14:15,640 Speaker 1: You know. The nose, the eyes, the hair, the face. 228 00:14:15,720 --> 00:14:18,880 Speaker 1: I mean, he's got a very unique nose, Cheryl McCullum. 229 00:14:19,120 --> 00:14:21,960 Speaker 1: It almost looks like somebody punched him in the nose 230 00:14:21,960 --> 00:14:25,000 Speaker 1: and flattened it out and it stayed that way. The 231 00:14:25,160 --> 00:14:30,440 Speaker 1: facial hair above the lip down around like a would 232 00:14:30,480 --> 00:14:35,600 Speaker 1: be goatee, the hair, I mean, Okay, I'm getting carried 233 00:14:35,640 --> 00:14:38,520 Speaker 1: away on the comparison of the mug shot versus the 234 00:14:38,600 --> 00:14:41,720 Speaker 1: guy on the bridge. And just imagine, everybody go back 235 00:14:41,760 --> 00:14:46,320 Speaker 1: in time with me just a short while. These two 236 00:14:46,360 --> 00:14:50,160 Speaker 1: little girls are out walking around a park. Okay, they're 237 00:14:50,200 --> 00:14:53,880 Speaker 1: on a bridge, a very popular bridge hang out for tweens. 238 00:14:54,880 --> 00:14:58,480 Speaker 1: They see a guy walking toward them, their families coming 239 00:14:58,480 --> 00:15:01,320 Speaker 1: to pick them up in about an hour, and for 240 00:15:01,360 --> 00:15:04,800 Speaker 1: some reason they get a feeling and they take a 241 00:15:04,880 --> 00:15:09,760 Speaker 1: picture of this guy coming toward them on the bridge. 242 00:15:10,120 --> 00:15:14,120 Speaker 1: And one of them has a wherewithal to record what's happening. 243 00:15:14,160 --> 00:15:17,320 Speaker 1: I'm thinking her cell phone was in her pocket. And 244 00:15:17,400 --> 00:15:20,800 Speaker 1: he's going below the bridge, down below the bridge, telling 245 00:15:20,800 --> 00:15:22,760 Speaker 1: them where to go. He must have had something in 246 00:15:22,800 --> 00:15:26,160 Speaker 1: his pockets because in that photo as he walks toward them, 247 00:15:26,480 --> 00:15:29,040 Speaker 1: his hands are in his pocket, something like a knife 248 00:15:29,160 --> 00:15:35,120 Speaker 1: or a gun. Cheryl McCullum, you are the expert of 249 00:15:35,160 --> 00:15:40,360 Speaker 1: the crime scene. Tell me what happened, then, Nancy. He 250 00:15:40,600 --> 00:15:44,160 Speaker 1: leads both of them down the embankment and that's where 251 00:15:44,760 --> 00:15:48,320 Speaker 1: the murders occurred. But there's something else I want people 252 00:15:48,360 --> 00:15:51,800 Speaker 1: to look at about this particular guy. The man on 253 00:15:51,880 --> 00:15:54,520 Speaker 1: the bridge has what I think looks like almost a 254 00:15:54,600 --> 00:15:57,640 Speaker 1: fanny pack on, and you and I talked a year 255 00:15:57,680 --> 00:15:59,840 Speaker 1: ago where I think that's where he had either the 256 00:16:00,080 --> 00:16:04,520 Speaker 1: dip kighs or a weapon or something easy access. Right 257 00:16:04,560 --> 00:16:08,720 Speaker 1: there to his right hand. There's a Halloween photographs of 258 00:16:08,760 --> 00:16:13,360 Speaker 1: this man where he's dressed in like an army camo 259 00:16:13,600 --> 00:16:16,880 Speaker 1: looking outfit. But he's got the boots, he's got the knife, 260 00:16:17,280 --> 00:16:20,600 Speaker 1: he's got the velcro patches like the thin blue line. 261 00:16:21,160 --> 00:16:25,480 Speaker 1: That's no Halloween costume. He already owned that stuff. And 262 00:16:25,600 --> 00:16:28,840 Speaker 1: on each side of him is a pack. So again 263 00:16:29,120 --> 00:16:32,040 Speaker 1: we know this guy hunt. We know this guy's a 264 00:16:32,160 --> 00:16:35,680 Speaker 1: child predator. We know he has a knife. What they 265 00:16:35,680 --> 00:16:38,800 Speaker 1: have got to do is getting his cell phone and 266 00:16:39,000 --> 00:16:42,880 Speaker 1: his computer because on his Facebook page he posts about 267 00:16:42,960 --> 00:16:47,800 Speaker 1: the Delphi murders. Find out where this guy was. Valentine's 268 00:16:47,840 --> 00:16:51,760 Speaker 1: twenty seventeen. What happened? Tell me that day from the 269 00:16:51,760 --> 00:16:55,720 Speaker 1: time they got there for dinner. Oh, they went upstairs. 270 00:16:55,960 --> 00:16:58,240 Speaker 1: Of course, I'll become bringing in a big old tote 271 00:16:58,360 --> 00:17:06,120 Speaker 1: of paint. Paint. Yeah, they were gonna paint. Of course, 272 00:17:06,240 --> 00:17:10,040 Speaker 1: Libby's room nearly as organized as Abbey's her stuffs everywhere 273 00:17:10,200 --> 00:17:13,040 Speaker 1: still is. Um he walked through and you find some 274 00:17:13,080 --> 00:17:15,080 Speaker 1: paint here, and you find some paint there, and all 275 00:17:15,359 --> 00:17:19,960 Speaker 1: of our other stuff. But uh, so they went upstairs 276 00:17:20,040 --> 00:17:24,320 Speaker 1: and uh they've of course, you know how kids do. 277 00:17:24,400 --> 00:17:28,879 Speaker 1: They take lots of selfies and videos, and so we 278 00:17:28,960 --> 00:17:32,120 Speaker 1: know what they were doing that night because Libby did 279 00:17:32,200 --> 00:17:36,000 Speaker 1: some videos and of Abby there painting, and and we 280 00:17:36,200 --> 00:17:38,520 Speaker 1: there is there is a canvas there of where they 281 00:17:38,560 --> 00:17:43,880 Speaker 1: started a new painting, said chocolate. Imagine that some right, 282 00:17:44,600 --> 00:17:47,200 Speaker 1: I can't remember. There was something wrong with one of 283 00:17:47,240 --> 00:17:51,399 Speaker 1: the letters. It was so they um, they were up 284 00:17:51,400 --> 00:17:55,959 Speaker 1: in the room doing their their thing. And they of 285 00:17:55,960 --> 00:18:01,200 Speaker 1: course they're up half the night. Girls stuff, girls talk. Whatever. 286 00:18:01,800 --> 00:18:07,840 Speaker 1: You are hearing me talking with Libby's grandma, Becky Patty 287 00:18:08,320 --> 00:18:11,639 Speaker 1: about the girls sleepover the night before they went missing. 288 00:18:11,680 --> 00:18:15,119 Speaker 1: And my daughter's right there at that age. She loves 289 00:18:15,200 --> 00:18:18,680 Speaker 1: having sleepovers, having friends over, and they stay up all 290 00:18:18,800 --> 00:18:24,840 Speaker 1: night painting and laughing and doing crafts and playing nerf battles, 291 00:18:25,440 --> 00:18:31,560 Speaker 1: the works, and I love hearing bursts of laughter coming 292 00:18:31,560 --> 00:18:34,919 Speaker 1: out of their room. And I'm just thinking back on 293 00:18:35,040 --> 00:18:39,440 Speaker 1: these two Liberty German and Abigail Williams the night before 294 00:18:39,440 --> 00:18:42,320 Speaker 1: having their spend the night party. You know, it's interesting. 295 00:18:42,400 --> 00:18:47,440 Speaker 1: Ashley Wilcot, judge and lawyer at Ashley Wilcott dot com. 296 00:18:47,480 --> 00:18:51,920 Speaker 1: It seems as if the family, these two girls, they 297 00:18:51,920 --> 00:18:56,080 Speaker 1: want to live in the world before the girls were murdered, 298 00:18:56,440 --> 00:18:59,680 Speaker 1: that's what they want to talk about the night before 299 00:19:00,359 --> 00:19:04,080 Speaker 1: all there. I think it was softball and their activities 300 00:19:04,119 --> 00:19:06,239 Speaker 1: and how smart they were and how great they were 301 00:19:06,280 --> 00:19:09,040 Speaker 1: doing at school. That's what they want to talk about. 302 00:19:09,080 --> 00:19:13,040 Speaker 1: They don't want to talk about that they were murdered. Sure, 303 00:19:13,160 --> 00:19:15,439 Speaker 1: Nancy and that's not a typical I see it on 304 00:19:15,440 --> 00:19:18,280 Speaker 1: the bench all the time, because that's called the survival. 305 00:19:18,720 --> 00:19:21,399 Speaker 1: You've lost the most important thing too in the world. 306 00:19:21,560 --> 00:19:24,800 Speaker 1: Survival is you want to remember the good. You want 307 00:19:24,880 --> 00:19:27,760 Speaker 1: to remember the laughter you just described. You want to 308 00:19:27,800 --> 00:19:33,520 Speaker 1: remember all of the positive because the aftermap is too horrific. 309 00:19:33,640 --> 00:19:37,359 Speaker 1: You cannot live in that all of the time and survived. No, 310 00:19:37,680 --> 00:19:41,040 Speaker 1: you can't. Is there a break in the case. Let's 311 00:19:41,160 --> 00:19:44,560 Speaker 1: retrace what happened the night before. They had to spend 312 00:19:44,600 --> 00:19:48,439 Speaker 1: the night party together. Then came that morning. They slept 313 00:19:48,520 --> 00:19:52,280 Speaker 1: in and they got up, I don't know, its nine thirty, 314 00:19:52,320 --> 00:19:58,119 Speaker 1: ten o'clock, and they had pancakes for breakfast, French and U. 315 00:20:00,160 --> 00:20:02,200 Speaker 1: They came out and said, we want something to do. Well, 316 00:20:02,280 --> 00:20:05,360 Speaker 1: my my office is at home, and I said, dreaded words, 317 00:20:05,480 --> 00:20:08,480 Speaker 1: what can we do? And that was libby all time. 318 00:20:08,640 --> 00:20:10,840 Speaker 1: If she if she had to set still for five minutes, 319 00:20:10,840 --> 00:20:14,119 Speaker 1: it's we're gonna do something this weekend? Are we gonna? 320 00:20:14,200 --> 00:20:16,520 Speaker 1: You know? What are we doing? What's plans? So we 321 00:20:16,520 --> 00:20:19,879 Speaker 1: were quite busy with her um and I said, you 322 00:20:19,920 --> 00:20:21,720 Speaker 1: know what, I got some files that need to be filed. 323 00:20:21,760 --> 00:20:26,160 Speaker 1: You want to make some money? Bet they were. They 324 00:20:26,160 --> 00:20:30,240 Speaker 1: were out there working away, and especially if you said 325 00:20:30,240 --> 00:20:32,520 Speaker 1: I'll take a shopping. You know, you do this for me, 326 00:20:32,560 --> 00:20:36,879 Speaker 1: I'll take a shopping. So they were out there and um, 327 00:20:37,160 --> 00:20:40,520 Speaker 1: they and Kelsey, Libby's sister, come out and said, hey, 328 00:20:41,280 --> 00:20:43,600 Speaker 1: I'm gonna stop by a friend's house for a little 329 00:20:43,600 --> 00:20:46,679 Speaker 1: bit and then I have to be at work for Libby. 330 00:20:46,760 --> 00:20:48,880 Speaker 1: That's all it took. She jumped up and said, hey, 331 00:20:49,600 --> 00:20:51,600 Speaker 1: because it was a beautiful day. It was a you know, 332 00:20:51,600 --> 00:20:54,800 Speaker 1: it was about her action drops Hey we she and 333 00:20:54,880 --> 00:20:56,879 Speaker 1: I said, well what about this filing? Okay, we'll do 334 00:20:56,920 --> 00:21:01,040 Speaker 1: it later. I promise we'll do it later. And so 335 00:21:01,080 --> 00:21:04,800 Speaker 1: I said, well that's fine. She said, can Kelsey drop 336 00:21:04,840 --> 00:21:08,080 Speaker 1: us off at the trails? And I said, well okay, 337 00:21:08,520 --> 00:21:10,000 Speaker 1: but I'm busy. You're going to have to get a 338 00:21:10,080 --> 00:21:13,600 Speaker 1: ride home. And the morning was normal. And what's significant 339 00:21:13,600 --> 00:21:17,640 Speaker 1: to me about that? To forensics expert Professor Forensics Jacksonville 340 00:21:17,680 --> 00:21:21,679 Speaker 1: State University and author of Blood Beneath My Feet on Amazon, 341 00:21:22,359 --> 00:21:27,080 Speaker 1: death investigator Joseph Scott Morgan joining me, what's also very 342 00:21:27,119 --> 00:21:30,200 Speaker 1: critical about what the family just said about that morning. 343 00:21:30,440 --> 00:21:34,160 Speaker 1: The girls weren't living on social media. They weren't glue 344 00:21:34,440 --> 00:21:39,639 Speaker 1: to their iPads playing some crazy game on musical or TikTok. 345 00:21:40,359 --> 00:21:44,520 Speaker 1: They were painting and playing, and when they heard somebody 346 00:21:44,600 --> 00:21:46,600 Speaker 1: was leaving the house, that's all it took. Hey, I'm going. 347 00:21:47,240 --> 00:21:50,320 Speaker 1: So that says to me they were not plotting to 348 00:21:50,359 --> 00:21:53,320 Speaker 1: meet somebody on the del Fi Bridge. They were really 349 00:21:53,880 --> 00:21:57,400 Speaker 1: just going outside to a tween hangout. Joe Scott Morgan, Yeah, 350 00:21:57,400 --> 00:21:59,679 Speaker 1: I think that that is a significant nancy. And also 351 00:22:00,480 --> 00:22:03,920 Speaker 1: maybe their social media footprint wasn't as large as some 352 00:22:04,000 --> 00:22:08,600 Speaker 1: other people is, and therefore you might not have somebody 353 00:22:08,640 --> 00:22:12,920 Speaker 1: that's just stalking them online. But the fact that they 354 00:22:12,960 --> 00:22:15,360 Speaker 1: wanted to go out, they wanted to go out, they 355 00:22:15,400 --> 00:22:18,080 Speaker 1: wanted to take their play outside, they wanted to go 356 00:22:18,119 --> 00:22:21,680 Speaker 1: to these trails. I think that that is significant because 357 00:22:21,800 --> 00:22:26,159 Speaker 1: maybe just maybe the killer was kind of lying in 358 00:22:26,280 --> 00:22:29,040 Speaker 1: wait out there, which seems to be the case. Yeah, 359 00:22:29,080 --> 00:22:32,600 Speaker 1: And you know, to Cheryl McCollum, Cold Case Research Institute 360 00:22:32,640 --> 00:22:37,320 Speaker 1: Director Cheryl, we've set all along. It had to be 361 00:22:37,359 --> 00:22:39,640 Speaker 1: somebody that knew about the bridge at Delphi's an old 362 00:22:39,680 --> 00:22:43,159 Speaker 1: train trestle that is no longer used for trains. See them, 363 00:22:43,160 --> 00:22:46,080 Speaker 1: they were all over where. I grew up and we 364 00:22:46,080 --> 00:22:47,879 Speaker 1: were always told not to play on them because we 365 00:22:47,880 --> 00:22:50,920 Speaker 1: were they My parents were afraid would jump off of them. 366 00:22:51,440 --> 00:22:54,600 Speaker 1: But these girls apparently knew not to jump off the 367 00:22:54,640 --> 00:22:58,760 Speaker 1: train trestle and all the kids went out there. So 368 00:22:59,160 --> 00:23:01,960 Speaker 1: this is somebody that knows about the train trestle, but 369 00:23:02,520 --> 00:23:05,240 Speaker 1: someone that may not live in that town that anyone 370 00:23:05,320 --> 00:23:10,200 Speaker 1: would recognize the picture which fits with this guy Anthy. 371 00:23:10,280 --> 00:23:14,000 Speaker 1: I think it's really important to focus on what Joe 372 00:23:14,080 --> 00:23:17,400 Speaker 1: thought was just saying. If you look at his clothing 373 00:23:18,080 --> 00:23:21,280 Speaker 1: versus their clothing, Like Libby just got on the light 374 00:23:21,400 --> 00:23:25,199 Speaker 1: jacket and a shirt, this guy's got on loved and 375 00:23:25,240 --> 00:23:28,440 Speaker 1: an undershirt and an overshirt and a coast hoodie, and 376 00:23:29,600 --> 00:23:33,800 Speaker 1: he's got the hat on like been right, he's been 377 00:23:33,880 --> 00:23:37,199 Speaker 1: out there laying in wait. This absolutely looks like a 378 00:23:37,240 --> 00:23:41,280 Speaker 1: crime of opportunity. Whoever came along was going to be 379 00:23:41,400 --> 00:23:44,159 Speaker 1: his victim. When you take a listeners, I'm talking to 380 00:23:44,560 --> 00:23:48,879 Speaker 1: Abbey's mom. That's Abigail williams Our with Liberty German the 381 00:23:48,960 --> 00:23:52,280 Speaker 1: day the two little girls were murdered, and I think 382 00:23:52,320 --> 00:23:57,000 Speaker 1: sex assaulted because sex assault is the motive and practically 383 00:23:57,160 --> 00:24:02,040 Speaker 1: every stranger on child abduction nor attack. They just haven't 384 00:24:02,080 --> 00:24:06,240 Speaker 1: released it is my thought. Take a listen to Abby's mom, 385 00:24:06,359 --> 00:24:10,359 Speaker 1: Anna Williams, talking to me about picking up basically where 386 00:24:10,359 --> 00:24:13,359 Speaker 1: Becky Patty left off. So did she go? Did you 387 00:24:13,440 --> 00:24:16,000 Speaker 1: take her to the park to meet up? Yeah? I 388 00:24:16,400 --> 00:24:18,600 Speaker 1: picked Libby up and we'd take any What time of 389 00:24:18,600 --> 00:24:20,920 Speaker 1: the day was it the day before? Oh? It was. 390 00:24:21,119 --> 00:24:22,600 Speaker 1: It was kind of like the weather out here. It 391 00:24:22,640 --> 00:24:24,200 Speaker 1: was not the nicest day. It was kind of wendy, 392 00:24:24,240 --> 00:24:28,320 Speaker 1: an overcast. It was probably about one thirty or two o'clocks, 393 00:24:28,320 --> 00:24:31,880 Speaker 1: so it's still daylight. Oh yeah, Then what happened? So 394 00:24:31,960 --> 00:24:34,040 Speaker 1: I we'd gone to the house and gathered up her 395 00:24:34,280 --> 00:24:38,320 Speaker 1: things and I dropped them off and she spent the night. 396 00:24:38,600 --> 00:24:41,320 Speaker 1: And I worked two jobs at that time. So I 397 00:24:41,359 --> 00:24:44,280 Speaker 1: was finishing up my shift at the nursing home and 398 00:24:44,400 --> 00:24:46,040 Speaker 1: she had texted me and said, is it okay if 399 00:24:46,080 --> 00:24:49,120 Speaker 1: I stay for dinner? And this is like at twelve thirty, 400 00:24:49,119 --> 00:24:50,879 Speaker 1: and I said, this was at your house? Yeah, she 401 00:24:50,960 --> 00:24:52,760 Speaker 1: was at their house. And I said, well that's fine, 402 00:24:52,800 --> 00:24:54,440 Speaker 1: but I have to be at my other job at four. 403 00:24:54,840 --> 00:24:59,359 Speaker 1: So if you can't stay until eight and somebody can't, 404 00:24:59,359 --> 00:25:00,760 Speaker 1: you know, it's going to be one of those deals. 405 00:25:00,760 --> 00:25:02,600 Speaker 1: Either you stay until I can get off of work, 406 00:25:02,800 --> 00:25:05,040 Speaker 1: or if you know, Kelsey's come back to town, or 407 00:25:05,080 --> 00:25:06,560 Speaker 1: they're you know, want to get rid of you. They'll 408 00:25:06,560 --> 00:25:08,200 Speaker 1: have to drive you off the house because I can't 409 00:25:08,200 --> 00:25:10,399 Speaker 1: get you. And she said it's fine, so I said, okay, 410 00:25:10,560 --> 00:25:14,640 Speaker 1: right now. Cops hunting the twenty seventeen killer of two 411 00:25:14,680 --> 00:25:19,640 Speaker 1: little girls on Indiana rail tracks there in Delphi, they've 412 00:25:19,680 --> 00:25:22,560 Speaker 1: been taking a very hard look at a quote child 413 00:25:22,640 --> 00:25:29,880 Speaker 1: molester about one hundred miles away, after the public spots 414 00:25:29,920 --> 00:25:35,320 Speaker 1: the uncanny similarity between this guy Charles Eldridge forty six 415 00:25:35,440 --> 00:25:41,760 Speaker 1: years old mug shot and a suspect sketch drawn from 416 00:25:41,800 --> 00:25:46,000 Speaker 1: an actual photo taken by the two murdered girls at 417 00:25:46,040 --> 00:25:56,600 Speaker 1: the time of their death. 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Do you 434 00:27:13,600 --> 00:27:16,480 Speaker 1: know someone who matches the description both of the person 435 00:27:16,520 --> 00:27:19,679 Speaker 1: in the picture as well as that audio, someone who 436 00:27:19,760 --> 00:27:22,679 Speaker 1: may be similar in those regards? Also, do you know 437 00:27:22,760 --> 00:27:26,040 Speaker 1: someone who may have drastically tried to change their appearance recently? 438 00:27:26,119 --> 00:27:28,520 Speaker 1: Perhaps they've tried to cut their hair, started to wear 439 00:27:28,600 --> 00:27:31,520 Speaker 1: different clothing. Also consider this, Do you know someone who 440 00:27:31,640 --> 00:27:34,439 Speaker 1: is a different mood recently? Perhaps they've grown to be 441 00:27:34,680 --> 00:27:37,560 Speaker 1: really obsessed with this case, or they just something wanted 442 00:27:37,560 --> 00:27:40,720 Speaker 1: to dramatically tune it out and know nothing about him. Lastly, 443 00:27:40,800 --> 00:27:43,679 Speaker 1: do you know someone who missed an appointment? Perhaps last 444 00:27:43,760 --> 00:27:46,600 Speaker 1: Monday or last Tuesday, or was laid for it. Any 445 00:27:46,640 --> 00:27:49,440 Speaker 1: combination of things like that, police say could make all 446 00:27:49,440 --> 00:27:52,040 Speaker 1: the difference in making an arrest in this case. This 447 00:27:52,119 --> 00:27:55,000 Speaker 1: all comes, the latest development comes as this community here 448 00:27:55,000 --> 00:27:57,440 Speaker 1: in Delphi tries to move on and put this case 449 00:27:57,480 --> 00:28:00,239 Speaker 1: behind them. Hundreds turned out for a vigil last night 450 00:28:00,359 --> 00:28:02,919 Speaker 1: here in downtown Delphi at the courthouse to try to 451 00:28:03,000 --> 00:28:05,520 Speaker 1: pray for the victims' families and pray for a quick 452 00:28:05,600 --> 00:28:08,280 Speaker 1: arrest in this case and for that feeling of safety 453 00:28:08,440 --> 00:28:12,439 Speaker 1: to return here in the small town. The phone was running. 454 00:28:12,760 --> 00:28:14,199 Speaker 1: She might have a lot of stuff on there. We 455 00:28:14,200 --> 00:28:16,479 Speaker 1: don't know yet. You know, she had to be feeling 456 00:28:16,520 --> 00:28:20,520 Speaker 1: threatened enough to have the wherewithal to start videoing this 457 00:28:20,560 --> 00:28:24,240 Speaker 1: man that was walking. Our friends at w THRTV. That's 458 00:28:24,280 --> 00:28:29,280 Speaker 1: Ben Hill and Julia Moffatt talking about the audio captured 459 00:28:29,320 --> 00:28:36,159 Speaker 1: by libby Liberty German just before her murder. That video, 460 00:28:36,520 --> 00:28:41,520 Speaker 1: that audio is critical in this case. When a suspect 461 00:28:41,640 --> 00:28:45,240 Speaker 1: is developed and God willing he will be, he can 462 00:28:45,280 --> 00:28:47,600 Speaker 1: be forced pursue it to search warrant. Isn't that right? 463 00:28:47,680 --> 00:28:51,760 Speaker 1: As she Wilcot judge lawyer Ash Wilcott dot com, he 464 00:28:51,840 --> 00:28:54,480 Speaker 1: can be forced pursue it to search warrant to give 465 00:28:54,720 --> 00:28:59,120 Speaker 1: a voice exemplar where he speaks many many words, sentences. 466 00:28:59,120 --> 00:29:03,240 Speaker 1: Phrases include booting down the hill, down the hill, down 467 00:29:03,280 --> 00:29:06,120 Speaker 1: the hill. Just as if you get a search warrant 468 00:29:06,120 --> 00:29:10,040 Speaker 1: for somebody's home or car or trailer or curtilage which 469 00:29:10,040 --> 00:29:13,800 Speaker 1: is the surroundings of the home, or a search warrant 470 00:29:13,800 --> 00:29:17,200 Speaker 1: for somebody's blood, so you can do DNA or their 471 00:29:17,360 --> 00:29:20,960 Speaker 1: hair or their fingerprint. You can do that. Under search 472 00:29:21,040 --> 00:29:23,400 Speaker 1: warrant law, he can be forced to give a voice 473 00:29:23,440 --> 00:29:26,960 Speaker 1: exemplar Astulely Wilcot correct, absolutely, Nancy, and so there has 474 00:29:27,000 --> 00:29:29,000 Speaker 1: to be probable cause. And I would submit in this 475 00:29:29,040 --> 00:29:32,600 Speaker 1: case given the stark resemblance to the picture taken by 476 00:29:32,640 --> 00:29:34,800 Speaker 1: the two girls who were murdered, as well as his 477 00:29:34,960 --> 00:29:39,040 Speaker 1: propensity and admission to like underage girls, there's probable cause. 478 00:29:39,120 --> 00:29:41,680 Speaker 1: Police have announced that a widely circulated photo of the 479 00:29:41,760 --> 00:29:45,040 Speaker 1: main suspect and a double homicide of two Indiana teenagers 480 00:29:45,400 --> 00:29:48,200 Speaker 1: was taken by one of the victims before she was killed. 481 00:29:49,160 --> 00:29:52,160 Speaker 1: In February fourteenth, the bodies of Liberty German and Abigail 482 00:29:52,200 --> 00:29:54,920 Speaker 1: Williams were found one day after they were reported missing. 483 00:29:55,280 --> 00:29:58,040 Speaker 1: At a press conference on Wednesday, police announced that Liberty 484 00:29:58,120 --> 00:30:00,360 Speaker 1: not only took the photo of the male suspec but 485 00:30:00,440 --> 00:30:03,200 Speaker 1: she also recorded a video moments before her death that 486 00:30:03,280 --> 00:30:06,440 Speaker 1: includes audio of a man talking. Although officials are unsure 487 00:30:06,480 --> 00:30:09,120 Speaker 1: whether the voice belongs to the suspect, the Liberty was 488 00:30:09,160 --> 00:30:11,360 Speaker 1: held as a hero by the Indiana State Police for 489 00:30:11,400 --> 00:30:14,600 Speaker 1: her quick thinking. While police initially did not suspect foul 490 00:30:14,600 --> 00:30:16,920 Speaker 1: play in the girl's disappearance, they later announced that the 491 00:30:16,920 --> 00:30:19,800 Speaker 1: girls were the victims of a double homicide. The wordies 492 00:30:19,800 --> 00:30:22,840 Speaker 1: have not yet discussed a motive. Superintendent of the Indiana 493 00:30:22,840 --> 00:30:26,000 Speaker 1: State Police addressed the suspect directly at wednesday's press conference. 494 00:30:26,360 --> 00:30:29,320 Speaker 1: He said, quote, if you're watching, we'll find you. Our 495 00:30:29,360 --> 00:30:33,200 Speaker 1: friend of People magazine, Kevin o'collin reporting. Now, I don't 496 00:30:33,200 --> 00:30:36,200 Speaker 1: get this. Officials are not sure in the voice belongs 497 00:30:36,240 --> 00:30:40,280 Speaker 1: to the suspect. What director of Coal Case Research, Sheryl 498 00:30:40,360 --> 00:30:43,120 Speaker 1: McCollum with me, of course it's him. Who else? It's 499 00:30:43,200 --> 00:30:46,880 Speaker 1: ordering the girls down the hill? Down the hill they 500 00:30:46,880 --> 00:30:52,760 Speaker 1: were found murdered. Quote down the heel. Of course it's him. Oh, 501 00:30:52,840 --> 00:30:55,080 Speaker 1: the voice is the killer, There's no question about it. 502 00:30:55,160 --> 00:30:58,480 Speaker 1: Nancy and You're absolutely right about getting any suspect to 503 00:30:58,520 --> 00:31:02,160 Speaker 1: say those faithful words. They're gonna do that. And here's 504 00:31:02,240 --> 00:31:04,280 Speaker 1: one more thing I just want to say. Let's say 505 00:31:04,320 --> 00:31:07,920 Speaker 1: it's not this guy. What's the worst it's going to happen. 506 00:31:08,360 --> 00:31:12,240 Speaker 1: We now know what another child predator looks like, Good 507 00:31:12,840 --> 00:31:16,400 Speaker 1: showwoods face everywhere, because even if he's not the DELFI killer, 508 00:31:16,720 --> 00:31:19,000 Speaker 1: he's somebody we need to be worried about. We're talking 509 00:31:19,040 --> 00:31:24,120 Speaker 1: about Charles Eldred. It was arrested in Union City, Indiana 510 00:31:24,200 --> 00:31:29,880 Speaker 1: on child molestation and that was a sting operation. I mean, realistically, 511 00:31:29,960 --> 00:31:34,360 Speaker 1: speaking to Ashley Wilcott, judge and lawyer, if the cops 512 00:31:34,600 --> 00:31:38,000 Speaker 1: finally get him on a sting, how many other young 513 00:31:38,080 --> 00:31:40,440 Speaker 1: girls have been molested by him? And he really doesn't 514 00:31:40,480 --> 00:31:43,640 Speaker 1: make any secret of it. He kind of brags about having, 515 00:31:43,640 --> 00:31:47,720 Speaker 1: as he says, quote sex with other thirteen year old 516 00:31:47,720 --> 00:31:50,880 Speaker 1: girls that's actually statutory rape. I don't know what he's thinking, 517 00:31:51,400 --> 00:31:55,200 Speaker 1: but this guy practically brags about it. So you know, 518 00:31:55,240 --> 00:31:57,680 Speaker 1: I always say, you don't go from zero to one 519 00:31:57,720 --> 00:32:01,640 Speaker 1: twenty mph overnight. Who whoever did this to Liberty and 520 00:32:01,680 --> 00:32:06,240 Speaker 1: Abigail has a track record, Ashley Willcott, Oh a thousand percent. 521 00:32:06,320 --> 00:32:08,880 Speaker 1: And again we see this all the time and statistically 522 00:32:08,920 --> 00:32:11,720 Speaker 1: so this man that they're now questioning is in his forties. 523 00:32:12,120 --> 00:32:16,120 Speaker 1: He has been doing this, I promise you, as a perpetrator, 524 00:32:16,160 --> 00:32:19,280 Speaker 1: as a pedophile for a very very long time. The 525 00:32:19,320 --> 00:32:22,280 Speaker 1: one who committed these crimes, whether it's him or someone else, 526 00:32:22,640 --> 00:32:25,239 Speaker 1: has been doing this for a long time. This is 527 00:32:25,400 --> 00:32:28,920 Speaker 1: not the first occasion. For nearly a year and a half, 528 00:32:29,080 --> 00:32:33,080 Speaker 1: people in law enforcement have been desperately looking for this man. 529 00:32:33,560 --> 00:32:35,520 Speaker 1: It's basically just a clear picture of his face, a 530 00:32:35,520 --> 00:32:38,560 Speaker 1: sketch of a suspect authorities belief may be responsible for 531 00:32:38,600 --> 00:32:42,000 Speaker 1: the murder of Abby Williams and Lily German in Delphi, 532 00:32:42,520 --> 00:32:48,080 Speaker 1: a crime that devastated Carroll County. Yeah, we need take 533 00:32:48,080 --> 00:32:50,840 Speaker 1: it personally. We don't know what's happened here. Just kind 534 00:32:50,840 --> 00:32:56,280 Speaker 1: of floors you. He just you, It nummifies you now Again, 535 00:32:56,360 --> 00:32:59,600 Speaker 1: Attention on this case is sharpened following the arrest of 536 00:32:59,640 --> 00:33:03,320 Speaker 1: a man in Randolph County who bears a striking resemblance 537 00:33:03,320 --> 00:33:07,400 Speaker 1: to the Delphi suspect. Charles Eldridge was arrested in Union City, 538 00:33:07,440 --> 00:33:10,720 Speaker 1: about two and a half hours away from Delphi, charged 539 00:33:10,760 --> 00:33:15,320 Speaker 1: with child molestation. You're hearing our friend at wtr TV, 540 00:33:15,560 --> 00:33:20,120 Speaker 1: Alan Carter, reporting on Charles Eldridge, and now take a 541 00:33:20,200 --> 00:33:24,800 Speaker 1: listen as he talks with Abbey's mother, Anna Williams and 542 00:33:24,880 --> 00:33:27,920 Speaker 1: Libby's grandfather might Patty. Eldridge's case has been forwarded to 543 00:33:27,960 --> 00:33:31,400 Speaker 1: the FBI and state police investigators tell me it's still 544 00:33:31,400 --> 00:33:34,120 Speaker 1: too early to make any connection and are not calling 545 00:33:34,160 --> 00:33:37,840 Speaker 1: Eldridge a person of interest, only that they investigate all 546 00:33:38,040 --> 00:33:40,920 Speaker 1: leads that come to them, reminding that they've had nearly 547 00:33:41,000 --> 00:33:45,040 Speaker 1: half a dozen individuals reported to them based on resemblance, 548 00:33:45,320 --> 00:33:49,800 Speaker 1: most notably Daniel Nations, a registered sex offender arrested in Colorado. 549 00:33:50,360 --> 00:33:53,720 Speaker 1: State police later determined that Nations is not a suspect. 550 00:33:54,160 --> 00:33:56,480 Speaker 1: In talking to the girls families in the past, they've 551 00:33:56,520 --> 00:33:59,240 Speaker 1: said that they pray for answers, but can't get too 552 00:33:59,280 --> 00:34:02,880 Speaker 1: hopeful over each lead. Every time something like this comes up, 553 00:34:02,920 --> 00:34:04,680 Speaker 1: we hope and we pray, and we hope and we 554 00:34:04,760 --> 00:34:08,120 Speaker 1: pray some more. This tip here just happened to become publicized, 555 00:34:08,560 --> 00:34:10,840 Speaker 1: you know where. We've had twenty six thousand other tips 556 00:34:10,880 --> 00:34:12,879 Speaker 1: that maybe didn't get the publicity that this one did. 557 00:34:13,560 --> 00:34:16,200 Speaker 1: So let's let the professionals do this job. Our friends 558 00:34:16,239 --> 00:34:21,080 Speaker 1: at WTHRTV Alan Carter talking with Abby and Liberty's family. 559 00:34:21,719 --> 00:34:24,839 Speaker 1: From what we know, there were no cameras at the 560 00:34:25,080 --> 00:34:28,680 Speaker 1: entrance of that wilderness park. There were no cameras near 561 00:34:28,719 --> 00:34:33,240 Speaker 1: that abandoned trained trustle nor their cameras such as around 562 00:34:33,320 --> 00:34:38,640 Speaker 1: a red light near the park, so we don't believe 563 00:34:38,760 --> 00:34:43,920 Speaker 1: any other evidence was received electronically or by camera. And 564 00:34:44,080 --> 00:34:48,359 Speaker 1: speaking of cameras, I love security systems for reasons just 565 00:34:48,480 --> 00:34:50,759 Speaker 1: like that. And in your home, when do you want 566 00:34:50,760 --> 00:34:54,160 Speaker 1: to spot a burglar when he's looking at your homecasing it, 567 00:34:54,280 --> 00:34:57,080 Speaker 1: or after he's putting his foot in your kitchen window 568 00:34:57,160 --> 00:35:00,799 Speaker 1: already in. You can ask John his Blink alerted him 569 00:35:00,800 --> 00:35:02,880 Speaker 1: of burglars trying to break in while he and his 570 00:35:02,960 --> 00:35:05,960 Speaker 1: family were home. Or Shannon her Blink camera caught a 571 00:35:06,000 --> 00:35:09,680 Speaker 1: thief stealing packages. Both times, Blink video clips sent to 572 00:35:09,760 --> 00:35:14,120 Speaker 1: police to help convict the crooks. Blink motion activated indoor 573 00:35:14,120 --> 00:35:17,680 Speaker 1: outdoor cameras wire free, set up in minutes, run on 574 00:35:17,719 --> 00:35:20,640 Speaker 1: two double A batteries that last up to two years, 575 00:35:20,640 --> 00:35:24,080 Speaker 1: and if you're traveling, Blink's live feed option lets you 576 00:35:24,120 --> 00:35:27,400 Speaker 1: monitor your home and check in on pets from anywhere 577 00:35:27,480 --> 00:35:31,919 Speaker 1: using the Blink smartphone app. No contract subscription, neither one, 578 00:35:31,960 --> 00:35:37,040 Speaker 1: and they're totally affordable. Blink works with Alexa Blink camera system, 579 00:35:37,120 --> 00:35:40,440 Speaker 1: make great gifts. They're brilliant way to monitor package deliveries. 580 00:35:40,680 --> 00:35:44,719 Speaker 1: Go to blink protect dot com slash Nancy blink Protect 581 00:35:45,040 --> 00:35:49,799 Speaker 1: dot com slash Nancy blink Protect dot com slash Nancy 582 00:35:50,000 --> 00:35:54,920 Speaker 1: Blink as an Amazon company. So Kelsey took them and 583 00:35:55,000 --> 00:35:57,960 Speaker 1: dropped them off. It's just getting me so upset because 584 00:35:58,080 --> 00:36:01,680 Speaker 1: um and I've even on it. Okay, they'll be okay 585 00:36:01,680 --> 00:36:05,279 Speaker 1: for thirty minutes. It's just thirty minutes. Look impossible. I'll 586 00:36:05,320 --> 00:36:08,080 Speaker 1: run to Crowburn, I'll come back. It's thirty minutes, and 587 00:36:08,120 --> 00:36:10,920 Speaker 1: then I'm nut up the whole time. So an hour 588 00:36:10,960 --> 00:36:15,320 Speaker 1: and a half that was it. So they go. We dropped. 589 00:36:16,280 --> 00:36:22,359 Speaker 1: What's your last memory of her? She was standing at 590 00:36:22,360 --> 00:36:27,560 Speaker 1: the door of the office with this smile that she has, 591 00:36:27,640 --> 00:36:29,879 Speaker 1: and I said, it could be a little chilly out there. 592 00:36:29,920 --> 00:36:33,160 Speaker 1: You get a jacket. She look a sitting for grandma. 593 00:36:33,280 --> 00:36:36,640 Speaker 1: I said, I told you get a jacket. She just 594 00:36:36,680 --> 00:36:38,960 Speaker 1: looked at me and smiled and said, I'll be okay. 595 00:36:38,960 --> 00:36:41,560 Speaker 1: It's okay. Grandma, and she turned around and walked out. 596 00:36:43,360 --> 00:36:45,960 Speaker 1: My last memories are her standing at my office door 597 00:36:46,320 --> 00:36:48,000 Speaker 1: telling me it's okay, I'm not gonna get a gold 598 00:36:48,640 --> 00:36:52,239 Speaker 1: So that's that's my last memory. You were hearing me 599 00:36:52,400 --> 00:36:56,240 Speaker 1: talking to Libby's grandma, Becky Patty, with whom she lived. 600 00:36:57,080 --> 00:37:01,000 Speaker 1: This is Libby's grandfather, Mike. When was the next time? 601 00:37:01,200 --> 00:37:04,080 Speaker 1: What was the next thing you heard? Tell me from 602 00:37:04,080 --> 00:37:08,960 Speaker 1: your point of view? Well, um, again, these times are 603 00:37:08,960 --> 00:37:11,719 Speaker 1: going to be close because we've been we've been scrutinized 604 00:37:11,719 --> 00:37:14,839 Speaker 1: on many times. I mean it's all approximations. Again, they 605 00:37:14,840 --> 00:37:18,520 Speaker 1: were probably dropped off around one thirty time frame. Derek 606 00:37:18,640 --> 00:37:21,360 Speaker 1: called him about a quarter after three. Now is that 607 00:37:21,760 --> 00:37:23,480 Speaker 1: Derek is the dad who's going to pick him up? 608 00:37:24,239 --> 00:37:26,080 Speaker 1: So about a quarter up of three, he calls him, 609 00:37:26,320 --> 00:37:30,319 Speaker 1: no answer to tell him, Hey, I'm I'm just about there. 610 00:37:30,400 --> 00:37:32,160 Speaker 1: Come pick me up, you know, or come to the car, 611 00:37:32,880 --> 00:37:36,600 Speaker 1: and continues to call act. So he's there. He gets 612 00:37:36,680 --> 00:37:39,279 Speaker 1: pulling up, Yeah, yes, pulling up. But there's what we 613 00:37:39,320 --> 00:37:41,680 Speaker 1: call trailhead, you know, a little little area to park. 614 00:37:43,440 --> 00:37:46,400 Speaker 1: So said he got out and was walking, you know, 615 00:37:46,520 --> 00:37:48,319 Speaker 1: trying to text him, and about three to thirty or 616 00:37:48,360 --> 00:37:51,040 Speaker 1: so like, called Becky and said, hey, I can't get 617 00:37:51,040 --> 00:37:52,879 Speaker 1: ahold of living should not answer and give her a call, 618 00:37:53,520 --> 00:37:58,480 Speaker 1: And so she tried calling, and then our daughter Tara 619 00:37:58,760 --> 00:38:03,160 Speaker 1: tried calling. So everybody's texting and calling and she's not returning, 620 00:38:03,160 --> 00:38:05,400 Speaker 1: and that's way out of character. I mean, you know, 621 00:38:05,480 --> 00:38:08,880 Speaker 1: kids have their phone that is there, that's it. And 622 00:38:10,000 --> 00:38:13,479 Speaker 1: so Becky called me probably about a quarter till four. 623 00:38:13,960 --> 00:38:17,440 Speaker 1: So I was at working off yet and said, hey, 624 00:38:17,520 --> 00:38:19,839 Speaker 1: letby's not answering something wrong. We're heading out there. It's 625 00:38:19,880 --> 00:38:22,719 Speaker 1: just not doesn't seem right. I said, okay, so I'll 626 00:38:22,760 --> 00:38:25,400 Speaker 1: head that way, just thinking, okay, where they you know, 627 00:38:26,120 --> 00:38:28,279 Speaker 1: first thing goes they've hooked up with some boys. They're 628 00:38:28,280 --> 00:38:30,000 Speaker 1: out doing. Say, they're not answering their phone because I 629 00:38:30,040 --> 00:38:33,680 Speaker 1: don't want to get caught. And then so by four 630 00:38:33,680 --> 00:38:38,880 Speaker 1: o'clock most of the family is there. When did you 631 00:38:38,960 --> 00:38:43,000 Speaker 1: realize something was not right at all? Well, our whole 632 00:38:43,040 --> 00:38:48,320 Speaker 1: family was out there looking. We all laughed. Tara, my 633 00:38:48,400 --> 00:38:53,399 Speaker 1: daughter went straight over there. Derrek was there. My son 634 00:38:53,520 --> 00:38:56,319 Speaker 1: come pulling in from my other son come pulling in 635 00:38:56,800 --> 00:38:59,080 Speaker 1: as I was leaving, and he said, what are you doing? 636 00:38:59,280 --> 00:39:01,279 Speaker 1: I said, we're gonna look for the girls. So he 637 00:39:01,360 --> 00:39:05,680 Speaker 1: jumped in the car with me. We drove. If they 638 00:39:05,680 --> 00:39:08,240 Speaker 1: would have decided to walk home, we drove both directions 639 00:39:08,239 --> 00:39:10,839 Speaker 1: that they would have gone, both routes. We got there. 640 00:39:10,840 --> 00:39:13,760 Speaker 1: We had six cars there. We were taking over everything. 641 00:39:14,880 --> 00:39:19,880 Speaker 1: We split up. We walked all the trails. Cody and 642 00:39:19,960 --> 00:39:22,400 Speaker 1: Kelsey went across the bridge. They went. They went across 643 00:39:22,480 --> 00:39:24,720 Speaker 1: and up to the road and up to the houses 644 00:39:24,800 --> 00:39:27,439 Speaker 1: up there were the sheriffs there yet not yet. By 645 00:39:27,440 --> 00:39:29,520 Speaker 1: this time it was a little after five. Was it 646 00:39:29,600 --> 00:39:31,520 Speaker 1: getting dark? No, not yet. It wasn't. But I knew 647 00:39:31,520 --> 00:39:33,200 Speaker 1: it was going And I was on the phone most 648 00:39:33,200 --> 00:39:35,399 Speaker 1: of the time with AT and T trying to get 649 00:39:35,440 --> 00:39:38,200 Speaker 1: them to ping her phone. And they won't, they won't 650 00:39:38,239 --> 00:39:41,000 Speaker 1: do it. I was just gonna ask, will they do that? Vincent. 651 00:39:41,120 --> 00:39:43,200 Speaker 1: I don't think they'll just do it when you ask. No, 652 00:39:43,960 --> 00:39:47,160 Speaker 1: not right off of that, right now. A furor over 653 00:39:47,360 --> 00:39:52,000 Speaker 1: or the public identifying in intense similarities between the book 654 00:39:52,000 --> 00:39:55,040 Speaker 1: and photo of a forty six year old confessed child molester, 655 00:39:55,160 --> 00:39:58,600 Speaker 1: Charles Eldridge, who lived about one hundred miles away from Delphi. 656 00:40:00,040 --> 00:40:03,439 Speaker 1: He lives in Union City. That mug shot compared to 657 00:40:03,520 --> 00:40:07,440 Speaker 1: the sketch of the men on the bridge approaching the 658 00:40:07,520 --> 00:40:12,480 Speaker 1: girls just before their murderers. I want to go out 659 00:40:12,520 --> 00:40:16,000 Speaker 1: to Lee Egan, Crime online dot Com investigative reporter. What 660 00:40:16,120 --> 00:40:20,799 Speaker 1: if anything are Delphi police saying about this guy Charles Eldridge. 661 00:40:20,960 --> 00:40:24,680 Speaker 1: Currently zero evidence that ties him. But that's currently They 662 00:40:24,719 --> 00:40:28,120 Speaker 1: are still looking, still investigating. They're not going to tell 663 00:40:28,160 --> 00:40:31,839 Speaker 1: us anything unless they do find something. But he has 664 00:40:31,880 --> 00:40:34,759 Speaker 1: not been cleared as the suspect. They are looking into 665 00:40:34,840 --> 00:40:38,160 Speaker 1: him as as far as they can right Cheryl McCollum, 666 00:40:38,239 --> 00:40:40,960 Speaker 1: director of the Cold Case Research Institute, What does that mean? 667 00:40:41,239 --> 00:40:44,359 Speaker 1: That's cop talk translate. It just means that they are 668 00:40:44,440 --> 00:40:47,279 Speaker 1: not going to go forward and let anybody know a 669 00:40:47,400 --> 00:40:50,600 Speaker 1: saying that they have until they are ready to make 670 00:40:50,640 --> 00:40:53,720 Speaker 1: an arrest. They're going to hold everything close to the chest, 671 00:40:53,840 --> 00:40:56,839 Speaker 1: and as soon as they know that they are going 672 00:40:56,880 --> 00:40:59,200 Speaker 1: to make an arrest, they're going to let everybody know. 673 00:40:59,400 --> 00:41:01,040 Speaker 1: No one else share. Oh I'm looking at the picture. 674 00:41:01,160 --> 00:41:05,840 Speaker 1: Even the eyebrows are the same shape as his churled 675 00:41:05,880 --> 00:41:09,520 Speaker 1: Eldridge's eyebrows. Even the eye, if you look at the 676 00:41:09,680 --> 00:41:13,880 Speaker 1: left eye, the left eye. Go with me, Cheryl, Go 677 00:41:14,080 --> 00:41:18,359 Speaker 1: with me. Look at his left eye compared to the 678 00:41:18,520 --> 00:41:22,879 Speaker 1: slant of the one in the sketch. Look at it, 679 00:41:24,080 --> 00:41:27,720 Speaker 1: Like you said earlier, the hair, red hair, that's gonna 680 00:41:27,760 --> 00:41:31,800 Speaker 1: reduce your suspect cooled dramatically. How many child the lesters 681 00:41:31,880 --> 00:41:34,040 Speaker 1: have red hair? How many are going to have a 682 00:41:34,120 --> 00:41:37,800 Speaker 1: nose like that, eyebrows like that, lines in their cheek 683 00:41:37,920 --> 00:41:42,240 Speaker 1: like that. I mean, it is uncanny the resemblance. But again, 684 00:41:42,440 --> 00:41:44,560 Speaker 1: here's what they're gonna do. They're gonna make sure they've 685 00:41:44,600 --> 00:41:48,399 Speaker 1: got this guy, whoever the killer is. Deb's were right 686 00:41:49,239 --> 00:41:53,200 Speaker 1: before they make an announcement too. Joseph Scott Morgan, forensics expert, 687 00:41:53,320 --> 00:41:56,719 Speaker 1: author of Blood Beneath My Feet on Amazon, and professor 688 00:41:56,760 --> 00:42:01,120 Speaker 1: of forensics at Jacksonville State University. Joe Scott how can 689 00:42:01,200 --> 00:42:03,600 Speaker 1: they do that? How can they get an airtight lock? Hey, 690 00:42:03,800 --> 00:42:07,360 Speaker 1: you know what, Nancy, I'm really excited about the image 691 00:42:07,400 --> 00:42:12,759 Speaker 1: that they have and being able to compare photographically. But 692 00:42:13,280 --> 00:42:15,279 Speaker 1: I knew you were going to have a butt. You know, 693 00:42:15,320 --> 00:42:17,680 Speaker 1: if you never have any good news, Joe Scott Morgan, 694 00:42:18,040 --> 00:42:20,520 Speaker 1: because everything you say, there's always a butt. I was 695 00:42:20,560 --> 00:42:23,239 Speaker 1: just waiting, sword, Okay, give me the butt. This is 696 00:42:23,280 --> 00:42:27,839 Speaker 1: this butt is fantastic news. I'm more interested in at 697 00:42:27,840 --> 00:42:31,440 Speaker 1: a molecular level, what created these features, and that's going 698 00:42:31,480 --> 00:42:34,960 Speaker 1: to be the tie back. Nancy, his DNA. He had 699 00:42:35,040 --> 00:42:38,600 Speaker 1: contact with these girls. Now, as you stated many times, 700 00:42:39,000 --> 00:42:43,560 Speaker 1: the motivation behind these attacks is in fact sexual if 701 00:42:43,640 --> 00:42:47,000 Speaker 1: he performed an act with them and left some type 702 00:42:47,000 --> 00:42:51,719 Speaker 1: of DNA behind. Coupling that also with the suspect that 703 00:42:51,800 --> 00:42:57,080 Speaker 1: they have that has freely admitted that he has engaged 704 00:42:57,440 --> 00:43:00,719 Speaker 1: in sexual activity, I'm wondering in those array, did they 705 00:43:00,800 --> 00:43:04,880 Speaker 1: do DNA swabs many times that they're a registered sex offender, 706 00:43:05,320 --> 00:43:08,239 Speaker 1: that has to happen, and then you compare all of 707 00:43:08,280 --> 00:43:12,160 Speaker 1: that with the suspect that they have now. I think 708 00:43:12,160 --> 00:43:15,200 Speaker 1: that that is going to be key here. Remember back 709 00:43:15,280 --> 00:43:18,080 Speaker 1: last summer when we were up in Nashville at Crime Con. 710 00:43:18,200 --> 00:43:22,120 Speaker 1: Even the family said they knew more at that point 711 00:43:22,120 --> 00:43:24,320 Speaker 1: in time, but out of respect for the police in 712 00:43:24,360 --> 00:43:26,960 Speaker 1: the investigation, they weren't saying anything else. I think a 713 00:43:27,000 --> 00:43:29,560 Speaker 1: lot of this has to go tie back to the 714 00:43:29,560 --> 00:43:32,960 Speaker 1: manner and cause of death as well as what happened 715 00:43:33,000 --> 00:43:35,160 Speaker 1: in that attack. I think the cops are playing it 716 00:43:35,200 --> 00:43:37,719 Speaker 1: close to the vest, like Cheryl said, and I think 717 00:43:37,719 --> 00:43:40,400 Speaker 1: that they've got a well spring of evidence in this case. 718 00:43:40,560 --> 00:43:42,919 Speaker 1: So what time did they let you know? The next 719 00:43:42,960 --> 00:43:48,520 Speaker 1: day they had found the girls. I think we were 720 00:43:47,960 --> 00:43:50,520 Speaker 1: I don't know where we all were at various points. 721 00:43:50,680 --> 00:43:53,200 Speaker 1: I'd actually gotten in a canoe and floated down the 722 00:43:53,200 --> 00:43:57,040 Speaker 1: creek for probably half a mile. I'd just gotten out 723 00:43:57,440 --> 00:44:01,520 Speaker 1: gotten back to the fire station. Becky was. They were 724 00:44:01,520 --> 00:44:03,640 Speaker 1: doing a very coordinated search, and that's how they worked 725 00:44:03,640 --> 00:44:06,040 Speaker 1: at the starting the next morning where hundreds and hundreds 726 00:44:06,040 --> 00:44:08,080 Speaker 1: of people were showing up, and they would send out 727 00:44:08,120 --> 00:44:10,560 Speaker 1: groups with some sort of law office or whether it 728 00:44:10,600 --> 00:44:14,040 Speaker 1: was you know, somebody from the fire station. Because you 729 00:44:14,120 --> 00:44:16,200 Speaker 1: can't just trustpass on people's property. You know, if you 730 00:44:16,280 --> 00:44:18,560 Speaker 1: do it, do it correct. Yeah, I remember that there 731 00:44:18,600 --> 00:44:22,640 Speaker 1: was a search. Weren't executed on the person's home and 732 00:44:22,760 --> 00:44:26,320 Speaker 1: property right now or where the girls were found. Everybody 733 00:44:26,360 --> 00:44:29,440 Speaker 1: immediately thought, wow, that must be the purse and the purp, 734 00:44:29,800 --> 00:44:33,560 Speaker 1: but not necessarily that's just where where were you when 735 00:44:33,600 --> 00:44:38,200 Speaker 1: you learned that I was searching? We were all indifferent. 736 00:44:38,320 --> 00:44:40,800 Speaker 1: We were all split up because we all He was 737 00:44:40,840 --> 00:44:43,480 Speaker 1: in a canoe, I was, I was in a group. 738 00:44:43,719 --> 00:44:46,399 Speaker 1: I was in a group that wasn't even close at 739 00:44:46,440 --> 00:44:50,160 Speaker 1: the time. But a friend of ours was with one 740 00:44:50,160 --> 00:44:53,640 Speaker 1: of the groups that found them, and he and his 741 00:44:53,719 --> 00:44:57,800 Speaker 1: wife was with us, and he called her. They told 742 00:44:57,840 --> 00:45:00,439 Speaker 1: me that they found him, but that's all they would 743 00:45:00,440 --> 00:45:02,640 Speaker 1: tell me at that time. That's all that they would 744 00:45:02,719 --> 00:45:06,919 Speaker 1: tell them, because the two little girls were murdered. If 745 00:45:06,960 --> 00:45:11,120 Speaker 1: you have information, please call eight four four four five nine, 746 00:45:11,480 --> 00:45:15,279 Speaker 1: five seven eight six repeat eight four four, four, five, nine, 747 00:45:15,560 --> 00:45:20,760 Speaker 1: five seven eight six. We wait as justice unfolds. Nancy 748 00:45:20,800 --> 00:45:23,480 Speaker 1: Grace crime story, signing off goodbye friend