WEBVTT - The Disappearance of Lars Mittank

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to Stuff You Should Know, a production of I

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<v Speaker 1>Heart Radio. Hey, and welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh Clark,

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<v Speaker 1>and there's Charles W. Chuck Bryant over there, and there's

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<v Speaker 1>Jerry And this is Stuff you Should Know. That another

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<v Speaker 1>true life mystery addition, a true life mystery. Yeah, Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't I don't want to say crime because I'm

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<v Speaker 1>not sure crime was involved. I'm sure it still falls

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<v Speaker 1>under the umbrella of true crime, but it's it's a

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<v Speaker 1>mystery of disappearance, how about that? Yeah? And this one is, uh,

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<v Speaker 1>this can be frustrating to research, and this is our

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<v Speaker 1>caveat and that. Um, this situation, as you will learn,

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<v Speaker 1>happened in Bulgaria to a German Man and that's part

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<v Speaker 1>of the reason it's hard to get great information. Um,

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<v Speaker 1>there are plenty of people on the internet telling this

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<v Speaker 1>story with different details, and uh, it's just sort of

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<v Speaker 1>one of those cases where like we can't get our

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<v Speaker 1>hands on Bulgarian case files from the cops right and

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<v Speaker 1>read it ourselves. So, um, we did find a redditor

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<v Speaker 1>who did something last year who claims that he got

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<v Speaker 1>information from Lars's mother who you're gonna meet, Sandra not.

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<v Speaker 1>She's not gonna be on the show. You're not gonna

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<v Speaker 1>really meet her meet through our words. But you know

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<v Speaker 1>who knows this is someone on Reddit, and um, all

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<v Speaker 1>his uh sources were in German, so I couldn't double

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<v Speaker 1>check those either, right, Yeah, no, I mean that's that's

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<v Speaker 1>a caveat that works for just about any true crime

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<v Speaker 1>or disappearance case these days, just because there's so many

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<v Speaker 1>people who you know, take a story and run it

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<v Speaker 1>through their own grinder, and you know, like you said,

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<v Speaker 1>little details, little facts get changed here, and then somebody

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<v Speaker 1>else picks up the same fact without double checking it,

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<v Speaker 1>and now all of a sudden, it's all over the place,

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<v Speaker 1>and you can't tell if that's because it's real or

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<v Speaker 1>because a bunch of people just repeated the same incorrect facts. So, um,

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<v Speaker 1>we're gonna definitely do our best. But one of the

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<v Speaker 1>things about this story is there are enough, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>totally verified facts to it that that you know, you

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<v Speaker 1>don't really need to get completely lost in the details.

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<v Speaker 1>People have gotten completely lost in the details, um, but

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<v Speaker 1>they've still not solved the case. That hasn't helped anybody yet.

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<v Speaker 1>So just the facts that are known are kind of

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<v Speaker 1>strange enough. Yeah, and I think it's it's always more

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<v Speaker 1>comfortable for us when it's like when there's a book

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<v Speaker 1>that's been written about it, published by like a real

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<v Speaker 1>publisher like Beverly. Clearly it's not just internet dudes. Uh,

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<v Speaker 1>But you know a lot of times these more recent

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<v Speaker 1>sort of missing person cases, it is just internet dude.

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<v Speaker 1>So you know, yeah, that's what it is. And the

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<v Speaker 1>dude that we're talking about, uh is named Lars Matonk

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<v Speaker 1>and he's known as the most famous missing person on

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<v Speaker 1>YouTube because he is. It is pretty bad almost. It

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<v Speaker 1>should have probably just scared us off of this episode

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<v Speaker 1>to begin with, um, the the because you know, you remember, um,

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<v Speaker 1>what was the name of that con the YouTube convention?

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<v Speaker 1>We went to that one time. Oh it was like

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<v Speaker 1>Internet com but it wasn't that. It was close to that.

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<v Speaker 1>I can't remember. That almost put me off of YouTube forever.

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<v Speaker 1>We blocked our memory bank as we did our our

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<v Speaker 1>biggest show ever there in front of about twelve people. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it was pretty bad, but I don't think of it.

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<v Speaker 1>But by the way, we should think Dave Meischner, who

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<v Speaker 1>was who's a listener who turned me onto this quite

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<v Speaker 1>a while ago. So sorry it took so long to

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<v Speaker 1>get to Dave Um. So we're talking again. We're talking

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<v Speaker 1>about Lars ma Tonk and he uh vanished from the

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<v Speaker 1>face of the earth. As his mom put it, it

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<v Speaker 1>was like the earth just swallowed him up. Back in

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<v Speaker 1>July eighth, two thousand and fourteen, in a town, a

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<v Speaker 1>resort town in Bulgaria on the Black Sea called Golden Sands,

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<v Speaker 1>which looking at pictures of it, it looks like a

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<v Speaker 1>pretty charming little place. Uh, big con, that's it. It

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<v Speaker 1>might as well have been called Internet Con. Yeah, but

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<v Speaker 1>did you look at pictures of Golden Sands is to

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<v Speaker 1>get a feel for the place? Yeah, you know, looks

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<v Speaker 1>like any lovely seaside hamlet. Yeah. And I couldn't get

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<v Speaker 1>the impression of whether it's more like Destined or more

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<v Speaker 1>like Panama City beach. I just couldn't. It seems like

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<v Speaker 1>a big party spot, if that's what you're wondering, Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>But like it also looked like it. It was fairly

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<v Speaker 1>like clean and well run and not just like you know,

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<v Speaker 1>just whatever kind of thing. I don't know. I place

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<v Speaker 1>it between the two from what I can tell. But

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<v Speaker 1>that's where that that's where this event took place where

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<v Speaker 1>the disappearance took place. There's actually Varna, Bulgaria, which is

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<v Speaker 1>the main town that Golden Sands Resort beach town is

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<v Speaker 1>right outside of Yeah. So as far as Lars Uh

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<v Speaker 1>the young man who would go missing, he was born

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<v Speaker 1>in February nineties six in northern Germany. He was an

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<v Speaker 1>only child. He was handsome kid, very popular, He was athletic,

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<v Speaker 1>he was smart. He did well in school. Um after

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<v Speaker 1>he ended up. After he graduated, he ended up getting

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<v Speaker 1>a job at the g d S who has power

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<v Speaker 1>plant about a hundred miles from where he grew up,

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<v Speaker 1>fixing um small electrical machines. He was an engineer and

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<v Speaker 1>it seemed like he had a really good life and

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<v Speaker 1>he enjoyed his job. He loved and this will figure

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<v Speaker 1>in so put a pin in this. His one big

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<v Speaker 1>love was his UH football club, his soccer team that

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<v Speaker 1>he followed, which is in you know this is not

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<v Speaker 1>how they would pronounce it, but the Verder Bremen football Club.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh really, how would they pronounce it? Well, it's always

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<v Speaker 1>just a little more German. Like the guy the Reditor.

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<v Speaker 1>He narrates his own document Henry, and he said it

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<v Speaker 1>in a way that I'm not even gonna attempt. Oh okay,

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<v Speaker 1>all right, fine, So, UM, that whole football club thing

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<v Speaker 1>actually plays a role in this because, um it may

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<v Speaker 1>be at the center of his disappearance. We're not a

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<v Speaker 1>hard percent sure, but UM, to kind of give you

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<v Speaker 1>an idea of what kind of guy Lars Metank was.

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<v Speaker 1>Matank was. His dad had a stroke a couple of

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<v Speaker 1>years before he disappeared, Um, and his mom had to

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<v Speaker 1>take care of his dad full time. Lars was an

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<v Speaker 1>only child, and he would come home, UM I guess

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<v Speaker 1>about a hundred miles from where he lived and worked

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<v Speaker 1>almost every weekend to help take care of his dad,

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<v Speaker 1>which is not every guy in their late twenties would

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<v Speaker 1>do that, you know. Um, And apparently he was dedicated

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<v Speaker 1>enough that his mom had to kind of encourage him

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<v Speaker 1>to go along with five other friends of his two

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<v Speaker 1>a week long vacation at Golden Sands in Bulgaria in July,

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<v Speaker 1>the end of June beginning of July. Um, he wasn't

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<v Speaker 1>going to go. In his IM said no, you should

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<v Speaker 1>should totally go. You you deserve a week off like this.

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<v Speaker 1>So he went. Yeah. So the um, it's a big

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<v Speaker 1>party scene Like I said, it is well known for

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<v Speaker 1>young people from all over Europe going to take advantage

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<v Speaker 1>of the resort deals, all inclusive places, the cheap booze,

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<v Speaker 1>plenty of drugs to be had. Um Lars was the

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<v Speaker 1>life of the party, according to his friends. Um as

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<v Speaker 1>I saw it anywhere from three to five friends. I

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<v Speaker 1>know for sure, two guys, and I think these were

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<v Speaker 1>his high school mates who were most prominent, named Tim

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<v Speaker 1>Schultz and Paul Roman Um. But they were hanging out,

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<v Speaker 1>going to the beach playing soccer. Uh. The one weird

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<v Speaker 1>thing that I think people may have made too much

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<v Speaker 1>about online as far as internet sleuthing goes is his

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<v Speaker 1>friends remarked that he didn't have much of an appetite

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<v Speaker 1>on the trip, was eating like soup and salad and fruit,

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<v Speaker 1>whereas they were, you know as an all inclusive resort,

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<v Speaker 1>so they were just like feasting on everything, and I

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<v Speaker 1>think they thought it was odd that he wasn't. But

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<v Speaker 1>I don't make a whole lot about that. Yeah, neither

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<v Speaker 1>did that one Redator slash documentary and who said that

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<v Speaker 1>he apparently had kind of gotten he had been on

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<v Speaker 1>a health kick, so he was kind of watching what

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<v Speaker 1>he ate a little more. Um. Yeah, some people have

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<v Speaker 1>been like, there's your there's your answer right there, that

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<v Speaker 1>that explains it all. Yeah, basically. Um So, I mean

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<v Speaker 1>the week went by pretty uneventfully. I think one of

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<v Speaker 1>his friends later said on TV or in an interview that, um,

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<v Speaker 1>it went by really quick. Um. On one of they

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<v Speaker 1>think the second to last day, they went to watch

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<v Speaker 1>a World Cup match. The World Cup in Brazil was

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<v Speaker 1>going on at the time, and UM, you may not

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<v Speaker 1>know this about Europe, but they're really crazy about soccer.

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<v Speaker 1>Uh so much so that they have their own word

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<v Speaker 1>for it football, which is goofy. But that's the way

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<v Speaker 1>it goes. And so they went to um this bar

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<v Speaker 1>rock bar or okay, b a r um which sounds

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<v Speaker 1>like a cool place, and they watched the match, I

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<v Speaker 1>think Costa Rica and the Netherlands. And while they were there, UM,

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<v Speaker 1>there were a bunch of soccer fans. They're watching this

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<v Speaker 1>from all different clubs and countries, and there were some kids,

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<v Speaker 1>I guess who were recent high school graduates and we're

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<v Speaker 1>fans of FC Byron, which is the rival to UH

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<v Speaker 1>Verder Bremen. And I guess they kind of got into

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<v Speaker 1>it verbally only with um with Lars and his friends. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and I also saw places that there was actual physical confrontation.

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<v Speaker 1>We don't know for sure, but we do know that

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<v Speaker 1>it wasn't the biggest deal and it wasn't the big

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<v Speaker 1>fight that happened later on. Um, after this night out,

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<v Speaker 1>the guys apparently go to this McDonald's which is kind

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<v Speaker 1>of an open air um order than open air window

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<v Speaker 1>kind of thing, and Lars didn't want to eat because

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<v Speaker 1>I guess he was on that health kick, and he

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<v Speaker 1>sort of just stood nearby while his two buddies were ordering. Um,

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<v Speaker 1>they got their food, they turned around, he wasn't there.

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<v Speaker 1>They don't see him for the rest of the night.

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<v Speaker 1>But like I said, it's sort of like, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>spring break party central. So if one of your friends

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<v Speaker 1>disappears for the night, and you're a bunch of dudes,

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<v Speaker 1>you might just think like, all right, well, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>maybe he ended up meeting somebody, or maybe he just

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<v Speaker 1>went out and partied some more. But it didn't send

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<v Speaker 1>up these huge alarms that he didn't come back that night. Yeah. So, um,

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<v Speaker 1>when he did show up again, I don't know if

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<v Speaker 1>it was later that night or the next morning. Um,

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<v Speaker 1>he said that he had been beaten up, actually jumped

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<v Speaker 1>by three or four Bulgarian guys, um, and that he

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<v Speaker 1>had gone to duck when one of them threw a

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<v Speaker 1>punch and it acts actually taken a punch in his ear,

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<v Speaker 1>which is a terrible place to get punched. And he

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<v Speaker 1>said that he was quite convinced that it was those kids,

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<v Speaker 1>those high school kids, um, who were fans of Byron

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<v Speaker 1>FC Byron, that they've gotten into it with at the

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<v Speaker 1>are earlier that night, UM, because apparently they had said

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<v Speaker 1>this is just I only saw this in one place

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<v Speaker 1>that they had said that. Um, they had shouted that

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<v Speaker 1>it's easy to get to pay somebody to beat other

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<v Speaker 1>people up in Bulgaria. And so this happened close enough

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<v Speaker 1>and close enough proximity to that other altercation that he

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<v Speaker 1>just assumed that's why those guys jumped him. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>there's apparently there was no other explanation for it. So

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<v Speaker 1>that was his story. He showed up with an injured

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<v Speaker 1>ear in the story that he had been jumped by

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<v Speaker 1>some local bar Bulgarians. Yeah, and his friends apparently didn't

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<v Speaker 1>necessarily believe that story because he wasn't you know, he

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<v Speaker 1>didn't have black eyes or bloody knows or anything. He

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<v Speaker 1>looked fine and he was acting fine, so they weren't

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<v Speaker 1>too sure about that story. Um Again, with the internet, sluice,

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<v Speaker 1>I've seen people saying that, like he totally made up

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<v Speaker 1>the story about the fight. But that is all just

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<v Speaker 1>people speculating online. I know if you ever want to

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<v Speaker 1>see people just take a piece of information and then

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<v Speaker 1>spin it to the ant due the most extreme possible

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<v Speaker 1>interpretation of it, that you could do worse than hang

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<v Speaker 1>out on the internet. Uh. So he goes to a doctor,

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<v Speaker 1>he gets the diagnosis of a ruptured ear drum. Apparently

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<v Speaker 1>went and saw a specialist at a hospital who confirmed it.

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<v Speaker 1>Said you should get surgery, and Large is like, great,

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<v Speaker 1>but I'm not getting that here. I'm gonna go back

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<v Speaker 1>come to Germany if I'm gonna get surgery. Uh. And

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<v Speaker 1>then this is sort of one of the keys is

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<v Speaker 1>he was given uh an antibiotic name uh seff rock Sime,

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<v Speaker 1>and he was given the strongest possible dosage, which was

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<v Speaker 1>about I think it was five yes, and that's a

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<v Speaker 1>just a general I think a cephlexin based antibiotic um

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<v Speaker 1>that doesn't really usually have many side effects, and if

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<v Speaker 1>it does, have side effects. It's typically something like an

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<v Speaker 1>upset stomach. I saw that there's a condition where it

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<v Speaker 1>turns huge patches of your skin very dark all over

0:13:04.000 --> 0:13:08.960
<v Speaker 1>the place, almost like your highlights have been shaded. Um,

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<v Speaker 1>it's really interesting to look at. But that's that's has

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<v Speaker 1>nothing to do with any other anything that that Lars exhibited,

0:13:17.360 --> 0:13:22.520
<v Speaker 1>any behavior he exhibited. Um, the it's just antibiotics. I mean,

0:13:22.559 --> 0:13:25.160
<v Speaker 1>if you've ever taken antibiotics, you know that there's not

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<v Speaker 1>really usually many side effects to it. Right, So uh,

0:13:30.200 --> 0:13:36.160
<v Speaker 1>Lars catches um, well again, different information. I saw that

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<v Speaker 1>his friends we're gonna stay with him, he insisted they leave.

0:13:40.440 --> 0:13:43.280
<v Speaker 1>So his friends eventually do catch that original flight out

0:13:43.960 --> 0:13:47.720
<v Speaker 1>and large stays behind. Um, you know, because of his ear.

0:13:47.800 --> 0:13:51.240
<v Speaker 1>He was a little concerned about obviously, with changes in

0:13:51.280 --> 0:13:54.839
<v Speaker 1>the atmosphere on pressurization on a plane. He didn't think

0:13:54.840 --> 0:13:57.400
<v Speaker 1>it was a good idea. And I'm not sure if

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<v Speaker 1>that original doctor told him that might have been a problem,

0:14:00.280 --> 0:14:02.000
<v Speaker 1>but he knew it was going to be a problem.

0:14:02.360 --> 0:14:04.600
<v Speaker 1>So a little bit about that original doctor. I saw

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<v Speaker 1>that from the rehdator who said that he spoke to

0:14:08.480 --> 0:14:12.000
<v Speaker 1>the guys to his mother that his mother said that

0:14:12.000 --> 0:14:15.360
<v Speaker 1>that Lars said that the doctor didn't really treat him.

0:14:15.400 --> 0:14:17.520
<v Speaker 1>The first one did and said you should go to

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<v Speaker 1>a specialist. But then when he went to the specialist,

0:14:19.520 --> 0:14:22.600
<v Speaker 1>a specialist said like, wouldn't speak to him in English,

0:14:22.640 --> 0:14:25.400
<v Speaker 1>and and Lars felt he had mocked him, and that

0:14:25.480 --> 0:14:29.080
<v Speaker 1>apparently Sandra thought that that was really significant because that

0:14:29.160 --> 0:14:31.960
<v Speaker 1>was not a word that Lars typically used. But he

0:14:32.040 --> 0:14:35.520
<v Speaker 1>still managed to get the antibiotic from the doctor. The

0:14:35.600 --> 0:14:39.320
<v Speaker 1>thing about the perforated or ruptured ear drum is I

0:14:39.360 --> 0:14:42.760
<v Speaker 1>was looking on the internet, it turns out, and the

0:14:42.880 --> 0:14:46.120
<v Speaker 1>National Health Service says that if you have a perforated

0:14:46.160 --> 0:14:49.760
<v Speaker 1>ear drum, it would probably actually make flying more comfortable,

0:14:50.080 --> 0:14:54.240
<v Speaker 1>not more dangerous. So I can understand Laws being worried

0:14:54.240 --> 0:14:57.160
<v Speaker 1>about that, not being a trained medical professional, but if

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<v Speaker 1>he's encountering at least three other medical professionals in Bulgaria,

0:15:02.600 --> 0:15:04.600
<v Speaker 1>you would think one of them would be like, actually, no,

0:15:04.760 --> 0:15:07.400
<v Speaker 1>that's you're you're actually better offline like this, or or

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<v Speaker 1>would at the very least be like, you don't have

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<v Speaker 1>to worry about that at all. It's not that's not

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<v Speaker 1>a thing interesting. Yeah, so too, All right, well, let's

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<v Speaker 1>take a break and we will come back and talk

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<v Speaker 1>about what happened after his friends left Lars alone in Bulgaria.

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<v Speaker 1>Right after this, all right, so large as buddies go

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<v Speaker 1>back home to Germany, Lars has left there by himself,

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<v Speaker 1>which is at the key as far as understanding that

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<v Speaker 1>they weren't worried about him. He wasn't behaving weird. He

0:16:05.840 --> 0:16:09.960
<v Speaker 1>seemed fine. He seemed like Lars. Otherwise one of them

0:16:09.960 --> 0:16:12.720
<v Speaker 1>probably would have raised some sort of alarm bells and

0:16:12.760 --> 0:16:14.880
<v Speaker 1>been like, hey, maybe we should stay here, but they

0:16:14.920 --> 0:16:16.680
<v Speaker 1>said he seemed relaxed, he was in a good mood,

0:16:17.280 --> 0:16:21.240
<v Speaker 1>and so they took off. Um, being summer, Lars had

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<v Speaker 1>a hard time getting a hotel room because everything was

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<v Speaker 1>booked up and he was staying on extra. So he

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<v Speaker 1>ends up having to check into the Hotel Color Varna,

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<v Speaker 1>which was a really seedy place that this cab driver

0:16:36.960 --> 0:16:39.560
<v Speaker 1>takes him to. Apparently a lot of drug dealers, a

0:16:39.560 --> 0:16:41.520
<v Speaker 1>lot of sex workers, but that was kind of the

0:16:41.560 --> 0:16:45.160
<v Speaker 1>only place available. And um, we don't know a lot

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<v Speaker 1>about what happened that night other than these phone calls

0:16:48.840 --> 0:16:51.360
<v Speaker 1>and texts that he exchanges with his mom. So one

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<v Speaker 1>thing though about the Hotel Color I looked at it.

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<v Speaker 1>Trip Advisor gives it a four out of five, and

0:16:56.800 --> 0:16:59.000
<v Speaker 1>booking dot Com has it at seven point eight out

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<v Speaker 1>of ten. And it is definitely cheap. I think rooms

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<v Speaker 1>are like twenty five American dollars a night, which is

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<v Speaker 1>suspiciously cheap. And that yeah, there is like probably some

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<v Speaker 1>criminal activity there, but that it's not like it's not

0:17:13.040 --> 0:17:16.359
<v Speaker 1>like a trap house hotel or anything like that. But

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<v Speaker 1>it was the fact that it was his only option

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<v Speaker 1>I think kind of tells you quite a bit too

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<v Speaker 1>about it. Sure, so um he goes to this hotel,

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<v Speaker 1>he checks in. Apparently the person behind the counter made

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<v Speaker 1>a copy of photo copy of his credit card, and

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<v Speaker 1>according to his mother, that did not sit very well

0:17:33.720 --> 0:17:38.200
<v Speaker 1>with lars Um. And at eleven PM, after he's checked

0:17:38.240 --> 0:17:41.680
<v Speaker 1>into the hotel, he calls his mom. I think it's

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<v Speaker 1>the first phone first of many phone calls that evening,

0:17:45.560 --> 0:17:47.960
<v Speaker 1>and he tells her that he wants her to block

0:17:48.040 --> 0:17:51.520
<v Speaker 1>his credit card because he's kind of sketched out by

0:17:51.520 --> 0:17:54.640
<v Speaker 1>this hotelier who has made a photo copy of his card.

0:17:54.680 --> 0:17:56.520
<v Speaker 1>He's worried that they're going to use it for fraud

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<v Speaker 1>and he can just unfreeze it when he gets back.

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<v Speaker 1>That's the first phone call all he makes. Yeah, there

0:18:02.480 --> 0:18:06.320
<v Speaker 1>ends up being another call where he has left the hotel.

0:18:06.720 --> 0:18:09.640
<v Speaker 1>He said that he was hiding on a hill. Uh,

0:18:09.680 --> 0:18:11.399
<v Speaker 1>and I think he even said that he was at

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<v Speaker 1>risk of falling, So it must have been sort of

0:18:14.760 --> 0:18:19.400
<v Speaker 1>some sort of a really steep type of situation, I guess, um.

0:18:19.440 --> 0:18:21.680
<v Speaker 1>But he said that there were four men after him,

0:18:21.720 --> 0:18:23.840
<v Speaker 1>that we're trying to kill him, or that intended to

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<v Speaker 1>kill him at least, And he said, don't call me

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<v Speaker 1>back because my phone I don't want my phone to ring.

0:18:30.680 --> 0:18:32.480
<v Speaker 1>I'm not sure I knew he didn't have a smartphone

0:18:32.480 --> 0:18:34.880
<v Speaker 1>with him. He left that at home and brought sort

0:18:34.920 --> 0:18:36.320
<v Speaker 1>of a cheaper phone, so I don't know if it

0:18:36.359 --> 0:18:38.320
<v Speaker 1>didn't have a way to turn the ringer off or not,

0:18:38.440 --> 0:18:40.840
<v Speaker 1>or if he was just not thinking clearly, but he

0:18:40.880 --> 0:18:43.480
<v Speaker 1>said not to call him back. He eventually texts his

0:18:43.600 --> 0:18:50.160
<v Speaker 1>mom what is Sarah? Fam five hundred, which was at antibiotic, which, um,

0:18:50.240 --> 0:18:53.879
<v Speaker 1>you might think means like he's feeling weird and like,

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<v Speaker 1>what is this? I've taken that to me says that

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<v Speaker 1>that if he was behaving weirdly or experiencing some different behavior,

0:19:03.080 --> 0:19:06.119
<v Speaker 1>that he guessed that that's what it was. That's the

0:19:06.119 --> 0:19:08.879
<v Speaker 1>only explanation for that, because they found that he had

0:19:08.920 --> 0:19:13.240
<v Speaker 1>taken three of them. So, Um, he knew that he

0:19:13.320 --> 0:19:16.600
<v Speaker 1>had that in his system, which I guess if he

0:19:16.680 --> 0:19:18.919
<v Speaker 1>was acting weird, maybe that's what he thought it was.

0:19:18.960 --> 0:19:22.120
<v Speaker 1>That's what sticks out to me. Yeah, And I think

0:19:22.240 --> 0:19:24.879
<v Speaker 1>was that it was either that night or the following morning.

0:19:24.880 --> 0:19:28.760
<v Speaker 1>When he asks, I think it was the following morning. Um,

0:19:28.800 --> 0:19:31.280
<v Speaker 1>you know, she had booked a flight home for him.

0:19:31.400 --> 0:19:34.120
<v Speaker 1>He doesn't get back in touch with her, which really

0:19:34.160 --> 0:19:36.720
<v Speaker 1>worries her. But the next morning he does get back

0:19:36.760 --> 0:19:40.880
<v Speaker 1>in touch. There's two days after this bar fight. She's relieved.

0:19:41.000 --> 0:19:43.520
<v Speaker 1>He says, he's going to go to the airport and uh,

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<v Speaker 1>can he get five euros? Uh wired, you know, moneygrammed

0:19:49.720 --> 0:19:53.640
<v Speaker 1>or whatever? Western What did they have Western Union over there? Yeah?

0:19:53.640 --> 0:19:56.359
<v Speaker 1>Supposedly there's a real detail in there, and that it

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<v Speaker 1>was Western Union. Well what's the what makes Western Union important?

0:20:00.680 --> 0:20:03.399
<v Speaker 1>So his mother had never heard of Western Union and

0:20:03.560 --> 0:20:06.520
<v Speaker 1>laws hadn't either, But apparently he talked to another German

0:20:06.560 --> 0:20:08.879
<v Speaker 1>tourist at the airport who had told him to use it,

0:20:09.000 --> 0:20:12.000
<v Speaker 1>and he was able to describe to his mom how

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<v Speaker 1>to use Western Union in a way that she understood

0:20:14.880 --> 0:20:17.639
<v Speaker 1>how to use Western Union after he explained it, which

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<v Speaker 1>said to his mom that he had his wits about him.

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<v Speaker 1>He wasn't out of his mind, He wasn't um wasted

0:20:24.040 --> 0:20:26.320
<v Speaker 1>on drugs or anything like that. He was very much

0:20:26.960 --> 0:20:32.640
<v Speaker 1>with it mentally, alright. So he um and I saw

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<v Speaker 1>two different things here. Either his mom urged him to

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<v Speaker 1>go to the airport doctor just to make sure he's

0:20:37.440 --> 0:20:40.359
<v Speaker 1>good to fly, or there was some requirement that he

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<v Speaker 1>do so. But either way, he goes to the airport

0:20:44.400 --> 0:20:51.200
<v Speaker 1>medical center. And this is where things get a little confusing, because, uh,

0:20:51.240 --> 0:20:53.199
<v Speaker 1>it's really all over the place whether or not he

0:20:53.280 --> 0:20:57.359
<v Speaker 1>goes in right away or whether he goes in later.

0:20:57.440 --> 0:21:00.520
<v Speaker 1>But he apparently calls his mom tells her, hey, they

0:21:00.520 --> 0:21:03.719
<v Speaker 1>said I shouldn't fly or drive. But he hadn't even

0:21:03.760 --> 0:21:06.439
<v Speaker 1>gone to see the doctor at that point. Uh. And

0:21:06.440 --> 0:21:08.400
<v Speaker 1>then once he does see the doctor, the doctor ends

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<v Speaker 1>up giving a few different versions of what happened while

0:21:11.440 --> 0:21:14.080
<v Speaker 1>he was in there, which is, either, you know, some

0:21:14.119 --> 0:21:16.680
<v Speaker 1>people think that looks really shady. I think it could

0:21:16.720 --> 0:21:19.560
<v Speaker 1>have just been like at the time, this doctor, you know,

0:21:19.600 --> 0:21:23.280
<v Speaker 1>you're not making some really big mental notes about the

0:21:23.400 --> 0:21:25.680
<v Speaker 1>random patient that comes in, like this guy is going

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<v Speaker 1>to be an international mystery in an hour. Yeah. So

0:21:29.320 --> 0:21:31.240
<v Speaker 1>you know, it could have been innocent that heads his

0:21:31.240 --> 0:21:34.080
<v Speaker 1>story changed, or it could be sad. It could be

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<v Speaker 1>so for from uh, from what I saw that the

0:21:37.400 --> 0:21:41.600
<v Speaker 1>doctor UM changed the story three times and that airline

0:21:41.720 --> 0:21:45.199
<v Speaker 1>employee came in, uh. And then later it was an

0:21:45.200 --> 0:21:47.840
<v Speaker 1>airport employee came in, which I think kind of across

0:21:47.920 --> 0:21:51.280
<v Speaker 1>the internet became a construction worker because that the airport

0:21:51.320 --> 0:21:55.840
<v Speaker 1>had recently undergone or was undergoing renovations. And then I

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<v Speaker 1>guess the third story was that the doctor said that

0:21:58.760 --> 0:22:01.320
<v Speaker 1>no one had come in uh, and that Lars had

0:22:01.359 --> 0:22:03.919
<v Speaker 1>excused himself to go to the toilet and did not

0:22:04.040 --> 0:22:06.119
<v Speaker 1>come back. The doctor was expecting to come back. He

0:22:06.200 --> 0:22:09.840
<v Speaker 1>just never came back with the doctor didn't know uh

0:22:09.880 --> 0:22:13.000
<v Speaker 1>if that was in fact what happened was that Lars

0:22:13.080 --> 0:22:15.440
<v Speaker 1>wasn't coming back because he was sprinting through the airport

0:22:15.880 --> 0:22:21.560
<v Speaker 1>and running out of the airport and into the surrounding countryside. Yeah.

0:22:21.680 --> 0:22:24.560
<v Speaker 1>And in the version where someone does come in, UM,

0:22:24.720 --> 0:22:28.040
<v Speaker 1>what that means is is that literally a human being

0:22:28.240 --> 0:22:32.879
<v Speaker 1>another person walks into the examination room and apparently really

0:22:33.160 --> 0:22:36.720
<v Speaker 1>freaked out if if that version is correct, really freaked

0:22:36.720 --> 0:22:40.119
<v Speaker 1>out Lars, who was already obviously feeling a little bit

0:22:40.119 --> 0:22:43.200
<v Speaker 1>paranoid and was like, what is this person doing in here?

0:22:43.720 --> 0:22:45.800
<v Speaker 1>In the one version of the story, the doctor tries

0:22:45.840 --> 0:22:49.480
<v Speaker 1>to explain, Hey, it's just a construction guy, or no,

0:22:49.640 --> 0:22:52.720
<v Speaker 1>this is an airline employee that's going to actually walk

0:22:52.800 --> 0:22:56.159
<v Speaker 1>you to the plane. Um, it's a little frustrating to

0:22:56.240 --> 0:22:58.960
<v Speaker 1>not know the exact truth, but no matter what happens,

0:22:59.000 --> 0:23:01.720
<v Speaker 1>we do know that he's rented from the airport because

0:23:01.840 --> 0:23:06.320
<v Speaker 1>that part is actually on YouTube and on CCTV, And

0:23:06.359 --> 0:23:09.639
<v Speaker 1>that's why he's the most famous disappeared person on YouTube,

0:23:09.680 --> 0:23:14.520
<v Speaker 1>because it's very compelling to watch this uh young kid

0:23:15.280 --> 0:23:17.439
<v Speaker 1>drop all and you don't see him drop his stuff,

0:23:17.440 --> 0:23:20.080
<v Speaker 1>but clearly he walks in with a backpack in a

0:23:20.160 --> 0:23:23.280
<v Speaker 1>duffel bag and he sprints with nothing in his hands

0:23:23.800 --> 0:23:27.639
<v Speaker 1>at like full you know, twenty one year old athletic

0:23:27.640 --> 0:23:30.960
<v Speaker 1>gallop out of there as if someone is chasing him. Yeah. So,

0:23:31.080 --> 0:23:33.320
<v Speaker 1>but there's a couple of weird things about it. If

0:23:33.359 --> 0:23:35.560
<v Speaker 1>you watch the video and and again you can go

0:23:35.600 --> 0:23:37.760
<v Speaker 1>anywhere on the internet and see this. I think it's

0:23:37.800 --> 0:23:41.600
<v Speaker 1>a good thirty seconds of it, um cut together that

0:23:42.080 --> 0:23:44.480
<v Speaker 1>he is running in the airport, and then when he

0:23:44.520 --> 0:23:47.320
<v Speaker 1>gets outside he kind of like walks and then jogs

0:23:47.320 --> 0:23:49.879
<v Speaker 1>a little bit and runs some more. But then I

0:23:49.920 --> 0:23:52.400
<v Speaker 1>saw somebody on I think it was read at two

0:23:52.440 --> 0:23:56.359
<v Speaker 1>on a different post um they're they're unresolved mysteries group

0:23:56.440 --> 0:23:59.480
<v Speaker 1>is just really good. Um. But somebody pointed out that

0:23:59.520 --> 0:24:02.440
<v Speaker 1>if you watch him, he's not really like looking behind him.

0:24:02.560 --> 0:24:06.479
<v Speaker 1>He's not he's not looking to see somebody coming after him. Um.

0:24:06.520 --> 0:24:09.040
<v Speaker 1>And it kind of puts a different spin on things

0:24:09.080 --> 0:24:12.119
<v Speaker 1>because you do think, well, surely he's running for his life,

0:24:12.320 --> 0:24:14.879
<v Speaker 1>but if you're running for your life, it does seem

0:24:14.920 --> 0:24:17.480
<v Speaker 1>like you would be a lot more concerned about who

0:24:17.600 --> 0:24:20.119
<v Speaker 1>was coming after you and would probably look behind you

0:24:20.160 --> 0:24:23.080
<v Speaker 1>a little more. He doesn't quite do that. Actually, he's

0:24:23.280 --> 0:24:26.479
<v Speaker 1>it's a very strange run, but it's also not like

0:24:26.560 --> 0:24:29.399
<v Speaker 1>the run of a person who's out of their mind.

0:24:30.080 --> 0:24:32.399
<v Speaker 1>That's a That was what stood out to me is

0:24:32.400 --> 0:24:34.359
<v Speaker 1>that he doesn't seem to at all be out of

0:24:34.400 --> 0:24:39.680
<v Speaker 1>his mind. Yeah, and another couple of details here, um

0:24:39.720 --> 0:24:42.480
<v Speaker 1>that was tough to verify. Supposedly, in the doctor's office,

0:24:42.520 --> 0:24:45.240
<v Speaker 1>he said, I don't want to die here. I have

0:24:45.320 --> 0:24:48.800
<v Speaker 1>to get out of here. Uh. I don't know if

0:24:48.800 --> 0:24:51.200
<v Speaker 1>that's true or not, but um, supposedly that's what he said.

0:24:51.800 --> 0:24:57.520
<v Speaker 1>And then the mom, Sandra evidently saw she went over

0:24:57.560 --> 0:25:00.200
<v Speaker 1>there um to you know, do her own investigat ing

0:25:00.520 --> 0:25:04.480
<v Speaker 1>obviously right after it happened, and supposedly saw footage directly

0:25:04.560 --> 0:25:08.160
<v Speaker 1>from the airport that had a lot of different stuff

0:25:08.200 --> 0:25:11.040
<v Speaker 1>that was not included in the footage that went to

0:25:11.080 --> 0:25:13.840
<v Speaker 1>the police. And she said in the footage that she

0:25:13.920 --> 0:25:17.760
<v Speaker 1>saw was that when he leaves the airport, he stands

0:25:17.800 --> 0:25:20.480
<v Speaker 1>there like checks his pocket as if he's checking to

0:25:20.520 --> 0:25:23.000
<v Speaker 1>make sure he has his passport and his wallet and stuff,

0:25:23.440 --> 0:25:26.040
<v Speaker 1>and kind of looks around and orients himself for a minute,

0:25:26.440 --> 0:25:29.399
<v Speaker 1>like should I go this way? Should I go that way? Um?

0:25:29.440 --> 0:25:31.720
<v Speaker 1>If you look at other places on the internet and

0:25:31.720 --> 0:25:33.800
<v Speaker 1>you just look at that footage, it looks like he

0:25:33.880 --> 0:25:37.000
<v Speaker 1>just bolts from the airport and then continues to either

0:25:37.080 --> 0:25:40.320
<v Speaker 1>kind of walk or jog and never stops, never checks

0:25:40.320 --> 0:25:44.320
<v Speaker 1>his pockets, never orients himself at all. Yeah, So he

0:25:44.359 --> 0:25:47.679
<v Speaker 1>actually walks within um, twenty feet of a couple of

0:25:47.720 --> 0:25:49.959
<v Speaker 1>cops who are standing talking to one another in the

0:25:50.000 --> 0:25:54.160
<v Speaker 1>parking lot. He walks past them. Um, he goes behind

0:25:54.200 --> 0:25:57.760
<v Speaker 1>the sand pile and then eventually goes over. I think,

0:25:57.960 --> 0:26:00.159
<v Speaker 1>is it actually on camera him going over of the

0:26:00.200 --> 0:26:02.040
<v Speaker 1>fence or is it just presumed that he went over

0:26:02.080 --> 0:26:04.200
<v Speaker 1>the fence. Now it's on camera, but it's one of

0:26:04.240 --> 0:26:06.359
<v Speaker 1>those things where it's like they had to circle and

0:26:06.440 --> 0:26:08.960
<v Speaker 1>highlight him because he's so far in the distance. But

0:26:09.080 --> 0:26:12.040
<v Speaker 1>he he goes over a barbed wire fence into a

0:26:12.200 --> 0:26:16.120
<v Speaker 1>full bloom sunflower field, which are very very tall and

0:26:16.240 --> 0:26:19.479
<v Speaker 1>literally disappears never to be seen again now. And on

0:26:19.520 --> 0:26:22.639
<v Speaker 1>the other side of that sunflower field, very importantly is

0:26:22.680 --> 0:26:26.359
<v Speaker 1>the a two highway, so who knows what happened. And

0:26:26.400 --> 0:26:29.240
<v Speaker 1>then beyond that there's a lot of woods. I wouldn't

0:26:29.280 --> 0:26:31.760
<v Speaker 1>call it like the most densely forested place on earth,

0:26:31.840 --> 0:26:34.680
<v Speaker 1>but there's a pretty decent sized woods around there. There's

0:26:34.680 --> 0:26:37.280
<v Speaker 1>also a lot of farm fields too that's exposed and

0:26:37.320 --> 0:26:39.959
<v Speaker 1>out in the open, but there's a highway on the

0:26:40.000 --> 0:26:42.040
<v Speaker 1>other side of it, and that's to me, is is

0:26:42.080 --> 0:26:46.600
<v Speaker 1>extremely important. All Right, Should we take another break? Yes, alright,

0:26:46.600 --> 0:26:48.320
<v Speaker 1>we're gonna take another break and bring it home with

0:26:48.359 --> 0:26:51.120
<v Speaker 1>what happened from there and then some of the theories

0:26:51.160 --> 0:27:23.280
<v Speaker 1>about what happened to large mat talk. Yeah, so Chuck,

0:27:23.400 --> 0:27:27.240
<v Speaker 1>just to recap Lars Matonk has fled. There's a really

0:27:27.240 --> 0:27:30.080
<v Speaker 1>good way to put it, the airport leaving behind in

0:27:30.119 --> 0:27:33.840
<v Speaker 1>the doctor's office all of his stuff, including his wallet, phone,

0:27:34.200 --> 0:27:39.119
<v Speaker 1>and passport. Now, is that verified? I saw that basically everywhere,

0:27:39.200 --> 0:27:44.680
<v Speaker 1>including speculating that she saw him checking is. Yeah, I didn't.

0:27:44.760 --> 0:27:46.800
<v Speaker 1>I thought that was very confusing. But I saw it

0:27:46.880 --> 0:27:48.720
<v Speaker 1>in the sun which I realized is not the most

0:27:48.720 --> 0:27:51.639
<v Speaker 1>credible source, but sadly it is one of the most

0:27:51.680 --> 0:27:54.800
<v Speaker 1>credible sources when it comes to researching this case. Um,

0:27:54.840 --> 0:27:59.120
<v Speaker 1>I saw it on a Yale um article. It's it's

0:27:59.119 --> 0:28:04.160
<v Speaker 1>basically every rewere that his wallet, passport and phone were

0:28:04.280 --> 0:28:07.800
<v Speaker 1>left behind. Um, I I be. But I mean that's

0:28:07.800 --> 0:28:11.399
<v Speaker 1>a really good point, Like we're totally we're lost in

0:28:11.440 --> 0:28:14.240
<v Speaker 1>the sunflower field. As far as that stuff concerns, we

0:28:14.240 --> 0:28:16.040
<v Speaker 1>we don't know. We've got to get our hands on

0:28:16.560 --> 0:28:19.679
<v Speaker 1>the police report. UM. And even that I read when

0:28:19.720 --> 0:28:26.440
<v Speaker 1>when Lars's mom hired um Bulgarian lawyer as an investigator. Um,

0:28:26.560 --> 0:28:30.919
<v Speaker 1>they got weird conflicting information about you know, what was

0:28:31.000 --> 0:28:33.919
<v Speaker 1>found with him or not, or what was what was

0:28:34.000 --> 0:28:36.240
<v Speaker 1>left behind by him or not. So even his mom

0:28:36.280 --> 0:28:39.840
<v Speaker 1>probably couldn't say for certain what was there. Yeah, I

0:28:39.920 --> 0:28:42.680
<v Speaker 1>get the picture that it was a frustrating experience working

0:28:42.680 --> 0:28:46.960
<v Speaker 1>with the Bulgarian police. Um. It seems like the Germany

0:28:47.000 --> 0:28:50.720
<v Speaker 1>got involved with interpoll, but they had some frustrations as well.

0:28:51.280 --> 0:28:57.000
<v Speaker 1>There's there's some speculation that they intentionally kind of um

0:28:57.280 --> 0:28:59.239
<v Speaker 1>kept the story on the download because they didn't want

0:28:59.240 --> 0:29:00.840
<v Speaker 1>it to affect to her is him? Yeah, I could

0:29:00.840 --> 0:29:05.120
<v Speaker 1>see that. Other people say that, well maybe not that,

0:29:05.160 --> 0:29:10.560
<v Speaker 1>but it just wasn't widely known it was some German kid. Uh,

0:29:10.720 --> 0:29:14.760
<v Speaker 1>it wasn't all over the newspapers, and so people, you know,

0:29:15.000 --> 0:29:16.920
<v Speaker 1>they didn't necessarily even know what was going on if

0:29:16.920 --> 0:29:19.640
<v Speaker 1>they saw this flyer, or they maybe not have. Maybe

0:29:19.680 --> 0:29:21.760
<v Speaker 1>they didn't even run it on the evening news. Yeah,

0:29:21.800 --> 0:29:25.000
<v Speaker 1>and so like if it was three weeks four weeks

0:29:25.040 --> 0:29:28.840
<v Speaker 1>after the disappearance, that like news started to really spread,

0:29:28.920 --> 0:29:31.560
<v Speaker 1>or maybe news never really spread. If you were a

0:29:31.640 --> 0:29:34.000
<v Speaker 1>driver and you gave a kid a ride on the

0:29:34.080 --> 0:29:37.560
<v Speaker 1>A two highway outside of the airport, um, you might

0:29:37.680 --> 0:29:40.400
<v Speaker 1>not have ever put two and two together or um,

0:29:40.440 --> 0:29:42.680
<v Speaker 1>if you saw some kid running through a field into

0:29:42.760 --> 0:29:45.880
<v Speaker 1>the woods. You might not have ever heard of Lars

0:29:46.000 --> 0:29:50.200
<v Speaker 1>Matonk either. So, um, there's it's possible there's people out

0:29:50.200 --> 0:29:53.920
<v Speaker 1>there with information who just aren't aren't don't know to

0:29:54.600 --> 0:29:59.400
<v Speaker 1>cough it up, although that's probably exceedingly unlikely these days

0:29:59.480 --> 0:30:03.440
<v Speaker 1>because of the exposure that this story has gotten. Yeah,

0:30:03.440 --> 0:30:06.200
<v Speaker 1>one interesting tidbit is that they did find that those

0:30:06.240 --> 0:30:11.520
<v Speaker 1>five hundred euros were untouched in his account. Um, and

0:30:11.560 --> 0:30:14.360
<v Speaker 1>I don't think we mentioned I think some people speculate

0:30:14.400 --> 0:30:17.200
<v Speaker 1>the fact that it was five hundred euros on the

0:30:17.280 --> 0:30:20.280
<v Speaker 1>nose and that it was Western Union and he had

0:30:20.280 --> 0:30:24.080
<v Speaker 1>never used it meant that he was being told by

0:30:24.160 --> 0:30:28.400
<v Speaker 1>somebody to get five hundred euros wired via this way.

0:30:29.360 --> 0:30:32.080
<v Speaker 1>But again that's just internet speculation. Well, I also saw

0:30:32.120 --> 0:30:34.040
<v Speaker 1>that it was his mom's decision. He just asked her

0:30:34.080 --> 0:30:36.720
<v Speaker 1>to wire him some money, some money he had decided

0:30:36.760 --> 0:30:40.360
<v Speaker 1>that that that was according to that documentarian who knows,

0:30:40.680 --> 0:30:45.840
<v Speaker 1>we really need to get sounder ma talk on here, dude. Um.

0:30:45.880 --> 0:30:48.760
<v Speaker 1>One of the cool things that happened through this through

0:30:48.800 --> 0:30:52.520
<v Speaker 1>his mother investigating this is various leads came in over

0:30:52.560 --> 0:30:55.640
<v Speaker 1>the years, like hey, there's this guy that speaks German.

0:30:55.720 --> 0:30:58.080
<v Speaker 1>He could be Lars. She would go check it out,

0:30:58.120 --> 0:31:01.160
<v Speaker 1>there's this other guy. Uh oh. Over the years, she

0:31:01.280 --> 0:31:08.080
<v Speaker 1>has ended up finding fifteen German expatriots in Bulgaria somewhere addicts,

0:31:08.160 --> 0:31:11.400
<v Speaker 1>some were mentally ill, uh, Some were actually reunited with

0:31:11.400 --> 0:31:14.640
<v Speaker 1>their families, some didn't want to be reunited. But she

0:31:14.880 --> 0:31:18.240
<v Speaker 1>found all these people, so like every time that happened,

0:31:18.240 --> 0:31:20.880
<v Speaker 1>it gave her hope that even though the chances, you know,

0:31:20.960 --> 0:31:24.000
<v Speaker 1>with a case like this is if you don't find

0:31:24.040 --> 0:31:25.920
<v Speaker 1>this person within the first you know, a few days

0:31:26.000 --> 0:31:28.400
<v Speaker 1>or the first week, it's like very slim to no chance.

0:31:28.840 --> 0:31:30.800
<v Speaker 1>All of these things gave her hope that she could

0:31:30.800 --> 0:31:33.240
<v Speaker 1>if she just kept at it, that she might eventually

0:31:33.280 --> 0:31:35.880
<v Speaker 1>find her son. Yeah. I was really surprised to see

0:31:35.880 --> 0:31:39.320
<v Speaker 1>that there was a statin here that said that something

0:31:39.440 --> 0:31:44.040
<v Speaker 1>like only three percent of missing persons cases aren't resolved

0:31:44.080 --> 0:31:48.240
<v Speaker 1>within the first year in Germany. Yeah, not even in Germany,

0:31:48.640 --> 0:31:52.760
<v Speaker 1>but among German citizens. Yeah, I thought it would be

0:31:53.560 --> 0:31:56.320
<v Speaker 1>a lot higher than that. But that's that's actually not

0:31:56.320 --> 0:31:59.640
<v Speaker 1>not bad as far as I can tell. Yeah. So, yeah,

0:31:59.680 --> 0:32:02.080
<v Speaker 1>one of those people, by the way, um who was

0:32:02.120 --> 0:32:04.360
<v Speaker 1>found that was thought to be. There's like a whole

0:32:04.400 --> 0:32:08.040
<v Speaker 1>thing where people are following this case and anytime uh

0:32:08.160 --> 0:32:10.959
<v Speaker 1>something ends up on the internet, uh, it ends up

0:32:11.000 --> 0:32:15.400
<v Speaker 1>being passed along to Sandra Matonk who will basically post

0:32:15.440 --> 0:32:18.360
<v Speaker 1>on her Instagram like, hey, uh, this was sent from

0:32:18.400 --> 0:32:20.760
<v Speaker 1>this town. Can somebody go see if they can find

0:32:20.760 --> 0:32:23.040
<v Speaker 1>this homeless guy and and get me more pictures of

0:32:23.120 --> 0:32:24.959
<v Speaker 1>them so we can figure out if it's Lars. Like

0:32:25.000 --> 0:32:28.160
<v Speaker 1>she does this kind of frequently. There was one where

0:32:28.160 --> 0:32:31.320
<v Speaker 1>a guy turned up in Brazil who looks a lot

0:32:31.360 --> 0:32:34.200
<v Speaker 1>like Lars, but disheveled with the beard and his hair

0:32:34.280 --> 0:32:36.680
<v Speaker 1>kind of crazy. Uh. And that turned out to be

0:32:36.720 --> 0:32:40.120
<v Speaker 1>a different man Um who was missing from British Columbia

0:32:40.440 --> 0:32:43.760
<v Speaker 1>named Anton Pilpa, who was reunited with his family after

0:32:43.840 --> 0:32:47.000
<v Speaker 1>five years. And they think that he hitch hike, hitchhiked

0:32:47.040 --> 0:32:50.840
<v Speaker 1>and walked from British Columbia down to Brazil um and

0:32:50.880 --> 0:32:54.560
<v Speaker 1>then kind of lived around uh Rio. I think Rio

0:32:55.080 --> 0:32:58.040
<v Speaker 1>um on his own for a while during a mental

0:32:58.080 --> 0:33:02.120
<v Speaker 1>break man. Uh So some of the theories over the

0:33:02.200 --> 0:33:06.000
<v Speaker 1>years that have been formed, um, the one that seems

0:33:06.120 --> 0:33:09.320
<v Speaker 1>the most obvious to me is that along with the

0:33:09.400 --> 0:33:11.760
<v Speaker 1>ear injury, there was some sort of a head injury,

0:33:12.160 --> 0:33:16.440
<v Speaker 1>maybe a concussion left untreated that led to erratic behavior

0:33:17.440 --> 0:33:21.160
<v Speaker 1>and paranoia maybe, and that you know, once he had

0:33:21.240 --> 0:33:26.800
<v Speaker 1>left and had no money and no phone and no passport, Uh,

0:33:26.840 --> 0:33:30.360
<v Speaker 1>he sort of was just sort of perhaps lost his

0:33:30.440 --> 0:33:34.760
<v Speaker 1>memory and lost in Bulgaria and still lost in Bulgaria. Yeah,

0:33:35.200 --> 0:33:38.520
<v Speaker 1>that's entirely possible, especially if it was a head injury

0:33:38.560 --> 0:33:42.160
<v Speaker 1>that was getting worse and worse by the hour. Um.

0:33:42.200 --> 0:33:47.440
<v Speaker 1>That could definitely explain the erratic behavior of leaving his

0:33:47.520 --> 0:33:51.080
<v Speaker 1>stuff and running through the airport and jumping the fence

0:33:51.520 --> 0:33:54.520
<v Speaker 1>into a sunflower field, Because if you think about it,

0:33:54.640 --> 0:33:58.600
<v Speaker 1>everything up to that point you can explain by him

0:33:58.800 --> 0:34:02.400
<v Speaker 1>being intimidated in a hotel he didn't feel comfortable in

0:34:02.960 --> 0:34:06.720
<v Speaker 1>um by some guys who aimed to rob him. And

0:34:06.800 --> 0:34:09.600
<v Speaker 1>even if those guys didn't aim to rob him, just

0:34:09.719 --> 0:34:12.799
<v Speaker 1>him thinking that they were going to rob him explains

0:34:12.840 --> 0:34:15.560
<v Speaker 1>everything else up to that point. The thing that makes

0:34:15.560 --> 0:34:19.760
<v Speaker 1>it inexplicable as far as I'm concerned is him leaving

0:34:19.760 --> 0:34:22.960
<v Speaker 1>the airport the way they did and potentially leaving everything behind.

0:34:23.320 --> 0:34:26.040
<v Speaker 1>That throws everything out the window and actually makes the

0:34:26.080 --> 0:34:29.560
<v Speaker 1>idea of a traumatic brain injury a lot more um

0:34:29.560 --> 0:34:32.200
<v Speaker 1>possible in my mind. The problem is that if that's

0:34:32.239 --> 0:34:35.759
<v Speaker 1>what happened to him, it's really possible that he's up there,

0:34:36.000 --> 0:34:39.279
<v Speaker 1>you know, out in the woods somewhere still and just

0:34:39.320 --> 0:34:44.160
<v Speaker 1>hasn't been found and is is dead probably by now. Yeah,

0:34:44.320 --> 0:34:46.160
<v Speaker 1>I suppose he could have just you know, wandered into

0:34:46.239 --> 0:34:50.200
<v Speaker 1>a town and assimilated. Well. His mom apparently does believe

0:34:50.239 --> 0:34:52.719
<v Speaker 1>that he's still out there, which is why she tries

0:34:52.760 --> 0:34:55.560
<v Speaker 1>to shake down every lead she can, but thinks that

0:34:55.640 --> 0:34:58.439
<v Speaker 1>he does have memory loss and that that's why he's

0:34:58.440 --> 0:35:01.080
<v Speaker 1>still out there just and is never her contacted her.

0:35:02.280 --> 0:35:05.960
<v Speaker 1>Another theory is that, you know, maybe everything he said

0:35:06.080 --> 0:35:09.279
<v Speaker 1>is true, maybe there were men following him. Maybe it

0:35:09.320 --> 0:35:11.600
<v Speaker 1>had something to do with that fight, and these guys

0:35:11.640 --> 0:35:13.239
<v Speaker 1>that may or may not have been hired to beat

0:35:13.280 --> 0:35:19.800
<v Speaker 1>him up. Apparently the human trafficking in Bulgaria is a problem,

0:35:19.840 --> 0:35:23.560
<v Speaker 1>and maybe you know, a young, handsome, fit man like

0:35:23.719 --> 0:35:27.640
<v Speaker 1>Lars could have been a target for human trafficking and

0:35:27.640 --> 0:35:30.280
<v Speaker 1>that he really like had every right to be anxious

0:35:30.280 --> 0:35:34.760
<v Speaker 1>and nervous because otherwise he seemed like he was okay. Uh,

0:35:34.800 --> 0:35:38.640
<v Speaker 1>It's all very confusing and frustrating. I can't imagine what

0:35:39.280 --> 0:35:42.200
<v Speaker 1>Sandra Matonk has been going through for these years. So dude,

0:35:42.480 --> 0:35:45.719
<v Speaker 1>just can't even I mean, when you're when you have

0:35:45.840 --> 0:35:48.279
<v Speaker 1>when you don't have closure like that, your imagination is

0:35:48.320 --> 0:35:50.840
<v Speaker 1>left to just fill in whatever blanks. And you know,

0:35:50.880 --> 0:35:54.200
<v Speaker 1>in a situation like that, people's imaginations tended to go

0:35:54.320 --> 0:35:56.880
<v Speaker 1>to the darkest places. I can't imagine the stuff that

0:35:56.920 --> 0:35:59.319
<v Speaker 1>she's come up with or that people have suggested to

0:35:59.400 --> 0:36:01.400
<v Speaker 1>her too, you know, being caught up in it and

0:36:01.440 --> 0:36:03.520
<v Speaker 1>forgetting like this is the mom, Like this is real

0:36:03.600 --> 0:36:05.440
<v Speaker 1>to her, this is her life. This isn't just something

0:36:05.480 --> 0:36:10.520
<v Speaker 1>on the internet. But what about the trucker. Oh, so

0:36:10.600 --> 0:36:13.560
<v Speaker 1>that's one of the leads. Um, uh, that there was

0:36:13.600 --> 0:36:18.000
<v Speaker 1>a trucker in uh what where was it? Brandenburg? The

0:36:18.040 --> 0:36:20.320
<v Speaker 1>trucker So there was a trucker that in two thousand

0:36:20.400 --> 0:36:22.680
<v Speaker 1>nineteen picked up a hitchhiker in Dresden and drove him

0:36:22.680 --> 0:36:27.280
<v Speaker 1>all the way to Brandenburg. I guess, um and uh.

0:36:27.440 --> 0:36:29.879
<v Speaker 1>He said later on he didn't know about the Lars

0:36:29.920 --> 0:36:31.960
<v Speaker 1>Matonk case at the time, but he said later on

0:36:32.040 --> 0:36:34.680
<v Speaker 1>he found out about it and said, oh man, that's

0:36:34.719 --> 0:36:38.080
<v Speaker 1>got to be the kid that I picked up. And so, um,

0:36:38.320 --> 0:36:40.880
<v Speaker 1>his His mom shook down the story, and I don't

0:36:41.120 --> 0:36:43.959
<v Speaker 1>think that she ever got in touch at the truck

0:36:44.040 --> 0:36:46.000
<v Speaker 1>driver else. The truck driver was just like, here's what

0:36:46.120 --> 0:36:49.080
<v Speaker 1>I think, but I can't. I can't say either way,

0:36:49.120 --> 0:36:50.960
<v Speaker 1>and I don't know where he went. So there's like

0:36:51.280 --> 0:36:54.800
<v Speaker 1>a beyond the lookout among you know, Lars matonk watchers

0:36:54.800 --> 0:36:59.240
<v Speaker 1>in Brandenburg. From that story. Yeah, there was another stuff

0:36:59.280 --> 0:37:02.120
<v Speaker 1>like that that kept her owen totally. Um. I saw

0:37:02.160 --> 0:37:04.960
<v Speaker 1>there was another one about a man in Dusseldorf UM

0:37:05.000 --> 0:37:07.440
<v Speaker 1>that the whole thing lasted for about two hours. That's

0:37:07.440 --> 0:37:10.560
<v Speaker 1>how fast things get done. She posted pictures that somebody

0:37:10.560 --> 0:37:12.320
<v Speaker 1>had sent her of a man, a homeless man in

0:37:12.400 --> 0:37:16.560
<v Speaker 1>Dusseldorf UM, and asked for more pictures than they Within

0:37:16.600 --> 0:37:18.960
<v Speaker 1>two hours, the coptain Dusseldorf had picked the guy up

0:37:19.000 --> 0:37:22.399
<v Speaker 1>and verified that it was not Lars. Yeah, I mean,

0:37:22.440 --> 0:37:26.200
<v Speaker 1>I think the head injury and loss of memory, like

0:37:26.280 --> 0:37:28.520
<v Speaker 1>he would want to get back to Germany. By all accounts,

0:37:28.520 --> 0:37:30.880
<v Speaker 1>he had a good life and enjoyed his job, was

0:37:30.920 --> 0:37:35.719
<v Speaker 1>a pretty happy guy and loved Germany. UM. So like

0:37:35.920 --> 0:37:39.200
<v Speaker 1>the idea of him choosing to stay there of his

0:37:39.280 --> 0:37:42.080
<v Speaker 1>own like sound mind just doesn't seem likely at all. No,

0:37:42.440 --> 0:37:46.520
<v Speaker 1>And unfortunately that really strongly suggests foul play as a

0:37:46.560 --> 0:37:49.080
<v Speaker 1>possibility to the fact that he has not turned up,

0:37:49.120 --> 0:37:52.359
<v Speaker 1>he has every reason to, like you said, turned turned

0:37:52.360 --> 0:37:55.280
<v Speaker 1>back up again, get back to his life. I saw

0:37:55.320 --> 0:37:59.560
<v Speaker 1>that um this on the State Department's website for Bulgarian

0:37:59.680 --> 0:38:03.560
<v Speaker 1>human trafficking. Like, Bulgaria does have a human trafficking problem,

0:38:03.560 --> 0:38:08.680
<v Speaker 1>but it seems to be typically targeting Bulgarians, especially Romani

0:38:08.800 --> 0:38:12.400
<v Speaker 1>people um who end up getting forced to beg on

0:38:12.440 --> 0:38:14.600
<v Speaker 1>the streets, are forced into hard labor if you're a man.

0:38:15.320 --> 0:38:19.279
<v Speaker 1>Um that it doesn't necessarily target tourists, and I think

0:38:19.320 --> 0:38:22.520
<v Speaker 1>the Bulgarian officials would probably not put up with that

0:38:22.600 --> 0:38:26.480
<v Speaker 1>because it would harm tourism so dramatically. So it's fairly

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<v Speaker 1>unlikely that like a blonde German guy named you know,

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<v Speaker 1>Lars would be would end up begging on the streets

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<v Speaker 1>of France at the behest of the Bulgarian mafia. And

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<v Speaker 1>I also saw another theory that he was a drug

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<v Speaker 1>mule and he flipped out, was scared he was gonna

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<v Speaker 1>get caught, and ran out of the airport. What really

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<v Speaker 1>kind of undermines that theory is that no drugs were

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<v Speaker 1>found in his stuff, so it's possible he took drugs.

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<v Speaker 1>A lot of people are like, well, clearly he was

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<v Speaker 1>on drugs, Like, why else would you do that? Um,

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<v Speaker 1>that's a possibility as well. But again, if you really

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<v Speaker 1>look at some of his behavior, um it the yes,

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<v Speaker 1>the fact that he ran out of the airport and

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<v Speaker 1>jumped over a fence, that's erratic behavior. But if you

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<v Speaker 1>look at the way he was behaving during that erratic behavior,

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<v Speaker 1>he's not acting erratic. If that makes any sense. It's

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<v Speaker 1>it's it's just it's one of the most bizarre mysteries

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<v Speaker 1>I've ever heard. So kudos to you and uh Dave

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<v Speaker 1>Meischner for coming up with this one. Yeah. I knew

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<v Speaker 1>nothing about it until Dave sent it, So way to go, Dave. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>we need to spend more time on YouTube. I guess

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<v Speaker 1>we can totally missed this one, so we can go

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<v Speaker 1>back to vid gun. Right, do you got anything else? Nope?

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<v Speaker 1>All right, Well, if you want to know more about

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<v Speaker 1>Lar's matonk go out and solve the mystery, will you,

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<v Speaker 1>at least for his dear mother's sake, And since we

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<v Speaker 1>said his dear mother's sake, it's time for a listener mail.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna call this this is another kid right and

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<v Speaker 1>in Uh, this is actually from dad. My son Hans

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<v Speaker 1>colored a picture of you podcasting today, prompted, which did

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<v Speaker 1>you see this picture? No, I gotta bring it up.

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<v Speaker 1>It was very cute, which I thought was awesome. I

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<v Speaker 1>said we should send it to Josh and Chuck in

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<v Speaker 1>his eyes lit up. He wrote out what he wanted

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<v Speaker 1>to type in an email to you, and I thought

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<v Speaker 1>it was better to just send you his note. I've

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<v Speaker 1>been listening to the show for the last ten years

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<v Speaker 1>or so, and introduce my son a few months ago.

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<v Speaker 1>We read books before bed, including yours, and then listen

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<v Speaker 1>to the podcast as he falls asleep. I'm thankful that

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<v Speaker 1>I'm able to share this with Hans. He's a smart

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<v Speaker 1>kid with incredible memory, so we'll often bring up facts

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<v Speaker 1>he's learned from you guys, which I had already forgotten. Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>And the picture, what's adorable? What's the name of the

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<v Speaker 1>guy who sent it? I'm looking for Sam Okay And Uh,

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<v Speaker 1>it's a picture with magic marker and you were sitting

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<v Speaker 1>upright at a table and he actually nailed it because

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<v Speaker 1>you're on the left, you know, back in the before

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<v Speaker 1>times when we were actually in our studio. He has

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<v Speaker 1>it right, you're on the left, I'm on the right.

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<v Speaker 1>I am. It looks like I'm passing out though I'm

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<v Speaker 1>kind of slumped over. But he's got two little microphones

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<v Speaker 1>and then two little pieces of paper with a handwritten

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<v Speaker 1>thing that says notes, pointing at the paper and says

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<v Speaker 1>I listen to your she almost every night. And then

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<v Speaker 1>there's a handwritten letter which is great, which I'll read

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<v Speaker 1>UH as best I can. I love your show, Chuck

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<v Speaker 1>and Josh. Today I listened to your s y s

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<v Speaker 1>K about ear wax. I told my mom and UH

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<v Speaker 1>and had some of your tips. Hey, have you guys

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<v Speaker 1>made a football episode like Touchdown? But if not, can

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<v Speaker 1>you make one? I listen to almost all the episodes

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<v Speaker 1>except ones that my parents don't let me watch. I

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<v Speaker 1>also have your book. I have read some of the

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<v Speaker 1>chapters in it and they are great. I like that

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<v Speaker 1>you guys have different types of episodes, like short stuff

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<v Speaker 1>and just regular episodes. I'm your biggest fan. I'm the

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<v Speaker 1>second grade. Yours, sincerely, and that is Hans last name

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<v Speaker 1>redacted because he's a kid Hans, I was amazing. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>going to find the picture. I haven't been able to

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<v Speaker 1>find it yet, but that was a beautiful letter. And

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<v Speaker 1>you have a super cool name by the way. Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>I love it, and thank you Dad, Sam and whoever

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<v Speaker 1>else is in the family helping to support the show.

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<v Speaker 1>We really appreciate it. Ye. Well, if you want to

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<v Speaker 1>get in touch with us, like Hans, maybe try drawn

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<v Speaker 1>a picture. What are you waiting for? Um? We love pictures.

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<v Speaker 1>You can send them off to us here at stuff

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