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Speaker 1: want to get your thoughts on Penning because, uh, coming

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Speaker 1: into this Trevor Penning from Northern Iowa. I gave him

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Speaker 1: a six three. I don't know what you gave him

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Speaker 1: grade wise, but a sixth three for me. I have

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Speaker 1: him in the twenties. I know there was talk. To man,

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Speaker 1: it's kind of a water down draft. He can go

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Speaker 1: in the top ten. I love the size, I love

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Speaker 1: the toughness. I don't think he's a great bender. I

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Speaker 1: think that's showing up a little bit out here. People

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Speaker 1: have gotten underneath him, and gosh, I think the two

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Speaker 1: thirty pound kid who was I think it was Karen

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Speaker 1: Johnson who got right underneath him. I think he dumped

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Speaker 1: him at two thirty pounds. So just being able to bend,

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Speaker 1: drop your weight, redirect those things. And you know, I

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Speaker 1: didn't love it. I didn't love it out there. The

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Speaker 1: past pro stuff is is the thing that concerns me. Um.

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Speaker 1: I almost wondered if he's really a big guard eventually

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Speaker 1: who can really drive people off the ball. He does

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Speaker 1: that now, Yeah, he does that, and I wonder if

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Speaker 1: that's gonna be his home because there's some whole Wilson

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Speaker 1: pass pro that I have not seen cleaned up yet.

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Speaker 1: And I think he's got He's got phenomenal traits. I mean,

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Speaker 1: just phenomenal size, lean mass. He's getting a hundred pounds

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Speaker 1: since he's there, and it's I think ninety pounds. Ninety

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Speaker 1: of the game has been muscle me. He's really really

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Speaker 1: well put together. But um, I'm with you. I I

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Speaker 1: want to give him a six four, But ultimately, which

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Speaker 1: is back into the first for me is the first

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Speaker 1: round grade. But sixty three feels like in most drafts

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Speaker 1: he's going in the first round. He's gonna going in

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Speaker 1: first round. But I think in most drafts he's he

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Speaker 1: is more of a top forty to top forty five

456
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Speaker 1: tackle in most drafts, and that didn't change for me.

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Speaker 1: But I'll be honest with you, guy, I have ahead

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Speaker 1: of him, Bernard Raymond. He has not been as I

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Speaker 1: wanted to see. More thought he might dominate this week.

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Speaker 1: I was hoping he's gonna dominate this week. It really

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Speaker 1: hasn't happened. It's been There's been some good moments, there's

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Speaker 1: been some good rafts. He's had some soft edges that

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Speaker 1: you know, I didn't really see when I watched much

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Speaker 1: of it on tape. I saw a lot more of

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Speaker 1: it in these on once. I still like him. He's

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Speaker 1: a little bit older. That's gonna bother some teams. But

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Speaker 1: you know, he's six six, he's three or four pounds,

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Speaker 1: got thirty three inch arms. Um, he's I think he's

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Speaker 1: gonna be a starter. I gave him the same grade

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Speaker 1: and gave him the sixth three. I ended up having

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Speaker 1: Um in my first list. I had Penning over him

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Speaker 1: by just a few spots. I would still I would

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Speaker 1: leave this as of what I've seen, and we'll see

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Speaker 1: once we dig into the tape. I would still have

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Speaker 1: penning over him from what I've seen, but I think

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Speaker 1: they're traveling together, They're in the they're in the same

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Speaker 1: family there. I think Ziah Johnson has been the guy

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Speaker 1: that's helped himself the most. Center center has been good

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Speaker 1: for him, and center is great. You've got guard center.

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Speaker 1: Flex body type is really great, lean mass, long arms

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Speaker 1: for a guard. Um to me, he's really helped himself out.

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Speaker 1: I think he's made himself some money just and and

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Speaker 1: he's a smart guy too, So there's a lot of

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Speaker 1: check marks going in Zion Johnson's I think some other

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Speaker 1: guys want to point out that I wrote up for

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Speaker 1: the NFL dot Com Work working. Everybody find that, by

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Speaker 1: the way, let everybody know where you can find that

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Speaker 1: NFL dot Com. You can you can check it out

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Speaker 1: and it's five players who stood out from from Wednesday's practice.

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Speaker 1: I did it for Tuesday and Wednesday. I focused. I

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Speaker 1: don't typically find that the Senior Bowl is great for

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Speaker 1: running backs because the defensive line has such an advantage

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Speaker 1: with the inside running stuff. They just clogged the holes.

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Speaker 1: I thought Damian Pierce had somers nice and pass pro.

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Speaker 1: He got my app state linebacker that Marco Johnson in

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Speaker 1: a in a past pass rep in a one on

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Speaker 1: one session. Yeah, he um. I think Pierce had a

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Speaker 1: nice day today. And I think Tyler Batty from Missouri,

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Speaker 1: I am a fan. I think he plays really hard.

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Speaker 1: He's a little underside a hundred nine nine pounds five seven,

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Speaker 1: but he's tough as he's a tough dog now when

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Speaker 1: it comes to sticking his nose in a pass pro,

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Speaker 1: he's a good pass catcher. I see him as a

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Speaker 1: slightly smaller version potentially of Michael Carter, the role that

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Speaker 1: Michael Carter took on for the Jets. Batty, despite his size,

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Speaker 1: had over three touches here from Missouri and when had

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Speaker 1: plenty of explosive runs and was very very productive. So

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Speaker 1: he's a guy to me that's also stood out. A

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Speaker 1: couple of running backs who stood out. And I think

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Speaker 1: Josh Williams from Fayt Bale State is a name you're

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Speaker 1: gonna hear a lot more about. Looks great in the uniform,

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Speaker 1: long arms. You can tell he's got a lot of

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Speaker 1: confidence out there when he's out in space. It doesn't

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Speaker 1: look too big for him. I think he's a guy

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Speaker 1: that's gonna keep getting better on the next level. By

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Speaker 1: the way, is DeMarco Jackson. I think I got my

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Speaker 1: up State linebackers name wrong, which is unacceptable. Um cranking

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Speaker 1: out pros left and right. It's it's true. We're a

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Speaker 1: powerhouse man unless we unless we played Bailey snapping in

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Speaker 1: a bowl game, that we're not. We're not a powerhouse

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Speaker 1: in that. In that case, we shot it out. All right,

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Speaker 1: we're gonna we're gonna take one last break. We're gonna

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Speaker 1: come back and wrap it up, and Lance is going

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Speaker 1: to tell you how you can win in a raffle.

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Speaker 1: Those blue glasses all right, Lance, Um, where can we

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Speaker 1: find him? Where can we buy these glasses? You know what,

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Speaker 1: are they even twelve dollar? They're actually dull yankabanna, that's

528
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Speaker 1: a knockoff. You got those that you got those that

529
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Speaker 1: like a Nordstrom rack. You see that they're not Yeah,

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Speaker 1: that's all fuzzy. It's i you can't really read, but

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Speaker 1: they're nice. I got it from the Sally Jesse Rapiel collection.

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Speaker 1: There's a variety of hues and patterns you can choose from.

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Speaker 1: I want to say RuPaul might have a pair of

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Speaker 1: glasses like that as well. It's probably got a little

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Speaker 1: bit more flare on the top and in the corners

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Speaker 1: than I have. But uh yeah, RuPaul may have that too, Okay. UM,

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Speaker 1: So the last thing, if you want to get in

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Speaker 1: a raffle, you can venmore. We'll get that. We'll get

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Speaker 1: that right out it. So what's your Venmo account, Blue

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Speaker 1: blue rim scout? Uh? That is that? What? This? Um? All? Right?

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Speaker 1: Last thing for you? Um, you touched on it a

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Speaker 1: little bit earlier. And to kind of bring this whole

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Speaker 1: thing together. Um, we've seen at the end of some

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Speaker 1: of these practices the coaches have they've had a different

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Speaker 1: position coach come up, try and give a motivational speech

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Speaker 1: to the team, maybe from some personal experience, to then

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Speaker 1: help them be centered and focused and ready to go

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Speaker 1: with this unbelievable opportunities players have. So I want to

549
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Speaker 1: call upon somebody to motivate both teams equally, and that

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Speaker 1: man is Jose Lima. Okay, I thought you're gonna go

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Speaker 1: with Gruden. Oh no no, no, no, no, no, no

552
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Speaker 1: no no, no, scratch that scratch that I want you say.

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Speaker 1: We're in Alabama, we are in Mobile Alabama. I want

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Speaker 1: to get future Hall of Famer in Alabama and current

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Speaker 1: high school football coach Philip Rivers to motivate the team. Look, man,

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna tell you y'all something right now. You've got

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Speaker 1: a chance to do some unbelievable stuff here in Mobile, Alabama.

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Speaker 1: You're in a great state. There's a lot of great

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Speaker 1: people here. Had y'all had the boodha and balls are

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Speaker 1: phenomenal here. Winstels has the best oysters. As a matter

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Speaker 1: of fact, there's a place and as a oh no,

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Speaker 1: I'm I'm on a food tangent here. Let me get

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Speaker 1: back to the football. I think you, guys, one of

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Speaker 1: the things you have to understand, this is an opportunity

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Speaker 1: to be great. You get opportunities like this. Man, you

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Speaker 1: gotta be fired up. Man, this is life. This is

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Speaker 1: the next chapter of your life. If you can't get

568
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Speaker 1: fired up about football, I don't know what you're gonna

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Speaker 1: get fired up about, honestly, fatherhood. Maybe I got the kids,

570
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Speaker 1: I got the I got the yardage. I mean, but listen,

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Speaker 1: I wanted it more than the next guy. I wanted

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Speaker 1: it more than Eli Manning. That's why I shined above

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Speaker 1: all the Manning. I was the Manning Slayer, and because

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Speaker 1: I wanted it that bad, so mad. If you can

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Speaker 1: get as fired up as I am, if you love

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Speaker 1: the game and you're willing to get in there and

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Speaker 1: do the work, all right, you guys got a chance

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Speaker 1: to be great. But if not, you're gonna be out

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Speaker 1: there in one of those cast off leagues just trying

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Speaker 1: to make it. You know, I playton To was forty

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Speaker 1: nine years old, man, that's how good I was. Man.

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Speaker 1: I was fired up for football. Man. You got to

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Speaker 1: be on fire for football. You can't just be out

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Speaker 1: here getting your drip up and all that stuff. They say.

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Speaker 1: You gotta be here to to to live it and

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Speaker 1: to love it. Man, get fired off. Man, WHOA, there

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Speaker 1: you go. This has been the move the six podcasts.

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Speaker 1: Thank you for listening. Yeah,