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Speaker 1: Welcome into Northside Territory. Foul Territory Networks Cubs podcast. I'm

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Speaker 1: Saade Sharma with my partner Patrick Mooney. We are your

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Speaker 1: Cubs beat writers over at the Athletic Patrick disaster struck

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Speaker 1: in Cleveland on Friday evening out here a progressive field.

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Speaker 2: I'm out in Cleveland.

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Speaker 1: Had a story ready to go about Cad Horton's elite

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Speaker 1: cut ride fastball, really unique pitch and seventeen pitches into

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Speaker 1: his start. Just a few pitches into the second inning,

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Speaker 1: he issues a walk and then second pitch to Bowe Naylor.

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Speaker 1: It's like ninety three point eight miles per hour. He'd

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Speaker 1: been sitting ninety six in the first inning, motions to

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Speaker 1: the dugout. Cad Horton comes out of the game after

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Speaker 1: Craig Counsel and the trainer, Nick fri Angela come out

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Speaker 1: to chat with him. It was it wasn't like a

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Speaker 1: long discussion. There was no let me throw a couple pitches.

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Speaker 1: It's let's get out of here, and Kate was clearly upset.

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Speaker 1: We hear its forearm tightness. A couple innings later, we

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Speaker 1: get that announcement in the press box. After the game,

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Speaker 1: we learn tightness started in his wrist, popped up during

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Speaker 1: the game, started moving into his forearm, and Kate said, no,

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Speaker 1: let's cut this short. I don't want to. I know

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Speaker 1: I'm putting my team in a bind, but this let's

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Speaker 1: let's try and nip this in the butt and hope

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Speaker 1: it's just for this, you know, just a shorter stint

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Speaker 1: and and not a terrible situation. We don't know what

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Speaker 1: it is right now, but that's that's the general summation

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Speaker 1: of what happened. Uh and and what I saw on

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Speaker 1: Friday just a really big blow to the Cubs rotation

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Speaker 1: right now A picture. I think both you and I

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Speaker 1: had really high xps for coming into this season.

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Speaker 2: Knew he's a.

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Speaker 1: Huge part of this rotation with a chance to go

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Speaker 1: from breakout rookie campaign, Rookie of the Year runner up

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Speaker 1: to teammates on a World Series contender.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: I did the off day story on Kate Horton and

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Speaker 4: this idea of how they're sort of planning to unleash

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Speaker 4: him eventually. And I don't know if that story was

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Speaker 4: timely or foolish in retrospect, but I think some of

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Speaker 4: the ideas within that was, like counsel saying the first

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Speaker 4: three weeks of the season are particularly delicate for starting

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Speaker 4: pitchers and that you're probably going to see lower pitch

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Speaker 4: counts at the start of the year, and that they

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Speaker 4: were very effective with how they.

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Speaker 3: Managed him last year.

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Speaker 4: And you know, Kate, I think you me everyone who's

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Speaker 4: talked to him. I feel like he has kind of

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Speaker 4: this old school mentality in terms of he is a

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Speaker 3: He's very focused. H He's all.

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Speaker 4: About beating the opponent in that in that at bat

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Speaker 3: It's very refreshing.

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Speaker 4: You know, he's not really kind of pointing to his

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Speaker 4: peripheral metrics, is like did I did I beat that

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Speaker 4: guy or not? And I don't know what was your

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Speaker 4: I don't know leaving the clubhouse last night, what was

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Speaker 4: your sort of gut feel? And also just like I

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Speaker 4: guess what were the next steps that they they outlined?

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Speaker 1: So it so initial gut feel is okay, trying to

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Speaker 1: you know, you're you're you're reading body language initially right

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Speaker 1: that that's what you're doing until you're in the clubhouse,

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Speaker 1: And it's not ideal, it's not it's not what any

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Speaker 1: figure out, Like, he didn't look that happy coming off

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Speaker 1: it or dangling or whatever. Yeah, nothing like that happens.

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Speaker 1: So I'm like, Okay, there's not like some acute injury

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Speaker 1: at least that we can see. But still we have

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Speaker 1: no clue. When you say forearm tightness, that can mean

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Speaker 1: a thousand different things. So it's like, what's going to

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Speaker 2: Counsel was He said both things.

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Speaker 1: He said, Look, any time you're sending a picture to

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Speaker 2: There is concern.

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Speaker 1: Yes, Like when I asked him, how concerned are you?

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Speaker 1: You didn't give me like you know, I'm a ten

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Speaker 2: Why is that.

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Speaker 1: I think it's because they know, like, Okay, this is

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Speaker 1: he's missing fifteen days at minimum, so may as well,

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Speaker 1: so there's no need to like, you know, is he

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Speaker 1: rush him back, but that's those are the next steps.

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Speaker 1: Council did say he was feeling optimistic. I don't have

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Speaker 1: I should look exactly what his words were. He so

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Speaker 1: Wharton said, I'm pretty hopeful. I'm airing on the cautious side.

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Speaker 1: I felt like I made the right move, though it

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Speaker 1: sucks doing that putting the bullpen in everyone in that situation.

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Speaker 2: So he's feeling positive.

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Speaker 1: Counsel did say, you know, this isn't He didn't make

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Speaker 1: was too concerned about things. Let me try and find

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Speaker 1: his quote. Yeah, you know what, I can't find it,

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Speaker 2: While I talk.

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Speaker 1: Oh, there's reason to be optimistic that this is something minor.

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Speaker 1: It's going to be ani El stint, but it could

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Speaker 1: be minor. We could have him back out pitching relatively soon.

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Speaker 1: I think those two quotes, if you're the optimistic type

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Speaker 1: want it to be over. Yeah, I don't want to

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Speaker 1: it's like we just can't take those optimistic quotes at

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Speaker 2: They have to. I think it's smart for them to

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Speaker 1: I think putting out positive energy is a good thing

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Speaker 1: after Justin Steele's injury, they thought it was going to

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Speaker 2: That's it. Like this they say it.

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Speaker 1: Everyone's panicking, thinking as Tommy John and it's like, now

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Speaker 2: Right now.

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Speaker 1: It's I would definitely just say wait until the imaging

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Speaker 1: it is like one of those tenuous situations where you're

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Speaker 1: official is going to be feeling. Go get that imaging,

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Speaker 4: Yeah, that's a good segue of like, how how are

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so so this was before the injury so we

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Speaker 1: Steel is on the sixty day sixty day, I L

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Speaker 1: I believe the earliest he can return is May twenty fourth.

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Speaker 1: They have not given us a timeline. They're not going

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Speaker 1: It's just how rehab goes, and you just have to

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Speaker 1: well essentially. What his point was like, you don't replace

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Speaker 1: to compare him to Kate Horton. Kate Horton did not

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Speaker 1: have these walk issues that Jackson Wiggins had. Kate Horton

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and I think with Steel how you framed it earlier.

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Speaker 4: You know, what the Cubs have said is if Stell

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Speaker 4: changes the schedule. And I think late May, early June

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Speaker 1: What effect will all the new contracts, if any have

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I think that was the main thrust of it,

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Speaker 1: got to take a risk.

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Speaker 2: It's like that was close.

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Speaker 1: I don't know, Okay, just tap the helmet, just do

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Speaker 1: it and see what happens. And I think maybe that's

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Speaker 1: the strategy part of it, or the mental change part

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Speaker 1: of it, that that kind of hasn't fully set in

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Speaker 1: for everyone, and I think we'll see some of that

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Speaker 1: where you're just kind of desperate for.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: I think Counsel's outlook too, is what he's stressed is how.

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Speaker 3: Hard it is, like just the game in general.

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Speaker 4: But he's talking about these umps are very good at

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Speaker 4: their jobs. In general, you're talking about like a fraction

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Speaker 4: of an inch, and also how fast this stuff happens

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Speaker 4: in real time. So I think just all of it

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Speaker 4: doesn't make it seem like Counsel is, you know, laser

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Speaker 4: focused on abs here.

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Speaker 3: I think he just is. He also doesn't want to

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Speaker 3: hear the like.

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Speaker 4: I think he also seems kind of annoyed at the

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Speaker 4: sort of like narrative aspect of this, like how could.

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Speaker 3: You not challenge that?

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Speaker 4: Like I think that yeah, just sort of something that

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Speaker 4: will could potentially annoy as. I think it's good, good

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Speaker 4: theater for us and for fans. But his point of

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Speaker 4: just like like these umpires know what they're doing. He

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Speaker 4: thinks the hitters know the egregious misses, but otherwise I

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Speaker 4: don't even know if it's even like a gray area,

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Speaker 4: Like he just feels like it is, you know, just

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Speaker 4: way easier to kind of second guess a couple hours

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Speaker 4: later versus the making that real time decision, and like

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Speaker 4: we said earlier, not wanting to waste it on like

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Speaker 4: sort of who cares pitches right right?

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Speaker 1: And I mean he he's really gone out of his

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Speaker 1: way lately to a couple things. And we all, I

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Speaker 1: think we all see this. These pitches are so close,

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Speaker 1: like fractions of an inch, either in the zone or

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Speaker 1: out of the zone, like those the fact that they

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Speaker 1: get them right is insane. Like these are fifty to

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Speaker 1: fifty coin flips some of these calls, and and like

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Speaker 1: it's not like the gregious ones go viral. Steebee Buckner

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Speaker 1: is a headline, But I think council really wishes people

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Speaker 1: focused on how good a lot of the umpires are.

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Speaker 1: There was someone that missed two calls all game the

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Speaker 1: other day, and councils like, we should be talking about

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Speaker 1: that guy, like the like that's how he looks at it.

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Speaker 3: I read the story about that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and look, he's right in that sense, but also,

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Speaker 1: no one's gonna read that story, but yeah, exactly. But

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Speaker 1: he's got a point that, like we do tend to

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Speaker 1: focus on the negative aspect of this instead of like

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Speaker 1: how good some of the umpires are.

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Speaker 2: It's hard.

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Speaker 1: That's just the world we live in, and especially with

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Speaker 1: social media, and nobody's gonna be like, look at this

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Speaker 1: amazing umpire and all the calls he got right, because

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Speaker 1: in a lot of people's eyes, it's like that's their job.

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Speaker 1: They have to get it right. But it's an incredibly

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Speaker 1: tough job. Most of them do it really well. Obviously

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Speaker 1: the ones that do it poorly are going to get,

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Speaker 1: you know, crapped on and then a lot of viral

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Speaker 1: videos go out online.

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Speaker 2: But yeah, I.

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Speaker 1: Think it's something that we're going to see their strategy

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Speaker 1: strategy develop in some way, and it may just be

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Speaker 1: like late in the game, you just got to tap

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Speaker 1: your helmet sometimes when you're down and figure it out.

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Speaker 1: It's not always like well that was close. It's just

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Speaker 1: like I don't know, I'm just going to take a

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Speaker 1: risk here type thing. We'll see how it develops. Obviously,

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Speaker 1: the biggest news in everything we should be focused should

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Speaker 1: be focused on Kate Horton's health. We'll see if we

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Speaker 1: get news on that before our next episode, but we

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