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Speaker 2: We have another similar show to yesterday. What do we have, Crystal,
Speaker 2: indeed we do.
Speaker 1: We're going to bring you all the latest of what
Speaker 1: broke overnight in that war between Israel and Hamas. A
Speaker 1: lot going on there, a lot of developments on our
Speaker 1: side here as well, so we'll bring you all of that.
Speaker 1: Also an update on just how wild some of the
Speaker 1: misinformation has been. I mean, you always have problems of
Speaker 1: things that are floating around, videos that are floating around
Speaker 1: that are fake. I don't think I've ever seen it
Speaker 1: as widespread as it has been in this particular conflict.
Speaker 1: That we'll give you some real extraordinary examples there. There's
Speaker 1: also a luck going on here too, though we've got
Speaker 1: updates in terms of that Republican House speaker fight. The
Speaker 1: update is sort of that there isn't really an update.
Speaker 1: There seems to be a complete stalemate. Kevin McCarthy throwing
Speaker 1: his hat back in the ring, and as of now
Speaker 1: he may have more support than anybody, so very hard
Speaker 1: to say how that is all going to shake out.
Speaker 1: We also have RFK Junior making it official yesterday he
Speaker 1: is leaving the Democratic primary running as an independent. Trump
Speaker 1: people come in at him guns blazing, knives out very
Speaker 1: different tone towards him than they were taking just a
Speaker 1: few weeks ago. So bringing that Governor k Newsom in
Speaker 1: California making some very interesting vetos on psychedelics, on condoms,
Speaker 1: on insulin. Got some details for you there. We also
Speaker 1: this just broke yesterday. Apparently the current president was just
Speaker 1: interviewed in connection with the investigation into him having classified
Speaker 1: documents at his house. So we're just learning about that.
Speaker 1: And we've got a look at an interesting divide that
Speaker 1: has opened up over on MSNBC over Israel and Palestine.
Speaker 1: Quite heated over there, so we'll bring you some of
Speaker 1: that as well, But we wanted to start with the
Speaker 1: latest on the ground unfolding in Israel and in Palestine.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's right.
Speaker 2: So in terms of the latest developments, we can begin
Speaker 2: starting to play some of this. We've compiled some footage
Speaker 2: of what happened in the last twenty four hours. We're
Speaker 2: beginning here with Israeli strikes on Gaza in the Gaza Strip,
Speaker 2: Israel saying they've struck nearly a thousand targets. Some of
Speaker 2: this footage actually released, this one specifically by the IDF themselves,
Speaker 2: which shows multiple targets being struck there across the area.
Speaker 2: This also comes as a heated battle continues inside of Israel.
Speaker 2: They still have not one hundred percent taken charge of
Speaker 2: their border with the Gaza Strip. It's been what more
Speaker 2: than forty eight hours now since the attack. It's the
Speaker 2: fourth day that this has all been going on so far,
Speaker 2: and it's still a horrific failure. What we're watching in
Speaker 2: front of us right now is Gaza civilians reacting to
Speaker 2: a strike.
Speaker 3: Here.
Speaker 2: We now have similar footage of Clarissa Ward from CNN
Speaker 2: who has had to take shelter in the middle of
Speaker 2: a rocket attack that was in coming. And then this
Speaker 2: is some really just heartbreaking footage of that Israeli music
Speaker 2: festival which bore the brunt of the terrorist attack in
Speaker 2: which multiple people were also taken hostage. So you could
Speaker 2: see all those cars abandoned, flashing back then to what
Speaker 2: presumably is in a religious sight inside of Gaza.
Speaker 3: And I think what this footage really.
Speaker 2: Displays is something we tried to highlight yesterday, which you know,
Speaker 2: this is as close you're probably going to get for
Speaker 2: most people to be able to see it with your
Speaker 2: own eyes. Just how densely populated the area is the
Speaker 2: third most third most densely populated area in the world.
Speaker 2: It's almost actually sotted akin to where we live right
Speaker 2: here Crystal in the DMV, but with three to five
Speaker 2: four times the population. That's what it would appear to
Speaker 2: be like, you know, if you were to make it analogous.
Speaker 2: And all of that also comes on the heels of
Speaker 2: Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu making an address in Hebrew and
Speaker 2: in English about his anticipated response.
Speaker 3: Let's take a listen to what he said.
Speaker 4: Israel is at war. We didn't want this war. It
Speaker 4: was forced upon us in the most brutal and savage way.
Speaker 4: But though Israel didn't start this war, Israel will finish it.
Speaker 4: Once the Jewish people were stateless, once the Jewish people
Speaker 4: were defenseless no longer. Kramas will understand that by attacking us,
Speaker 4: they've made a mistake of historic proportions. We will exact
Speaker 4: a price that will be remembered by them in Israel's
Speaker 4: other enemies for decades to come. The savage attacks that
Speaker 4: Ramas perpetrated against Israelis are mind boggling, Slaughtering families in
Speaker 4: their homes, massacring hundreds of young people at an outdoor festival,
Speaker 4: kidnapping scores of women, children and elderly, even Holocaust survivals
Speaker 4: Hamaster is bound burned and executed children. They are savages.
Speaker 4: Hamas is Isis. And just as the forces of civilization
Speaker 4: is united to defeat Isis, the forces of civilization must
Speaker 4: support Israel in defeating Hamas.
Speaker 2: Prime Minister Natnahu making that statement shortly after a development
Speaker 2: on the Hamas side. What we're about to show you
Speaker 2: is a translation that was made on Al Jazeera by
Speaker 2: Hamas in which they stated that for every air strike
Speaker 2: they would execute one of the hostages live and on camera.
Speaker 2: Let's take a listen to what they said.
Speaker 5: Over the past few hours, we suffered as a result
Speaker 5: of the harm inflected on our brothers and sisters at
Speaker 5: the hands of the family just barbarian Zionist attacks tarting
Speaker 5: residential buildings. Therefore, we decided to put an end to this.
Speaker 5: From this moment on, we announced that any targeting of
Speaker 5: anything civilians without warning will be met, regretfully to say,
Speaker 5: by executing one of the hostages in our custody, and
Speaker 5: we will be forced to broadcast this execution. We regret
Speaker 5: this decision yet, but we hold the Zionist enemy and
Speaker 5: the leadership the responsibility for.
Speaker 3: This horrific threat there.
Speaker 2: And it also comes on the heels of a major
Speaker 2: report yesterday from Washington.
Speaker 3: Let's put this up there.
Speaker 2: In a private phone call actually between Prime Minister Neta
Speaker 2: Yahoo and President Biden, he said, we have to go
Speaker 2: into Gaza, he said the President Biden, Israel does not
Speaker 2: have any choice but to unleash a ground operation in Gaza.
Speaker 2: Quote directly, we have to go in, the Israeli said.
Speaker 2: According to three Israeli and US sources or are briefed
Speaker 2: on the call, this is by a reporter here in
Speaker 2: Washington who is also Israeli. What he's message signals, obviously
Speaker 2: is that the country's response is going to look like
Speaker 2: in the days and the weeks to come, will be
Speaker 2: quote a long and difficult war. This also comes overnight
Speaker 2: Crystal as Israel actually mobilized another sixty thousand active reservists
Speaker 2: and now has a total of three hundred and sixty
Speaker 2: thousand actually who have been called up. That basically touches
Speaker 2: the entire country of Israel. You know, almost anybody at
Speaker 2: this point would know somebody who has been called up
Speaker 2: for the situation. There's also been some developments in terms
Speaker 2: of Lebanon. There have been some Israeli strikes that have
Speaker 2: been observed over the Lebanese border, unpresumably on Hesbola targets.
Speaker 2: We haven't seen yet any major escalation yet from Hezbola
Speaker 2: or official declaration of war that would have, of course
Speaker 2: touched on what we talked about yesterday, the two front
Speaker 2: nightmare scenario for Israeli war planners. But clearly we're still
Speaker 2: in the fourth day and we're almost in a holding pattern,
Speaker 2: and it's a terrible holding pattern because we know whatever
Speaker 2: is to be unleashed, it is going to be absolute
Speaker 2: hell for a lot of people. What really we are
Speaker 2: presumably seeing is that Israel believes that it needs to
Speaker 2: get total control of all of its border before any
Speaker 2: ground operation can be launched inside of Gaza. Hopefully, at
Speaker 2: least there have been some limited diplomatic communications. The Katari government,
Speaker 2: which does have an official relationship with Hamas, has been
Speaker 2: in active talks in order to try and release some
Speaker 2: of the hostages, or at least some of the American hostages.
Speaker 2: They are the main go between right now with the West.
Speaker 2: But that's really where the military situation stands right now.
Speaker 2: You know, like we've had strikes, we have border clearings
Speaker 2: and all that, and then of course we now have
Speaker 2: hamasang we'll execute people live on cameras, So stakes really
Speaker 2: couldn't be higher than they are right now.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we're also continue to learn more horrific details about
Speaker 1: that Hamas attack on Israeli citizens. There were one hundred
Speaker 1: and eight bodies found at a single kibbutz, including peace activists.
Speaker 1: So it just shows you, I mean, it's just it's horrible.
Speaker 1: There's just no other way to say it. And my
Speaker 1: heart breaks for the people who have been affected by
Speaker 1: this incredible tragedy. And now we see with these roughly
Speaker 1: one thousand Israeli strikes inside of Gaza. They have not
Speaker 1: launched the ground invasion yet, all signs are pointing in
Speaker 1: that direction, with the massing of troops, with that Axios
Speaker 1: report that Sager was pointing to, saying, listen, we've got
Speaker 1: to go in. And so at the same time as
Speaker 1: you have obviously horror and outrage at the war crimes
Speaker 1: committed by Hamas, including now the use of civilians as
Speaker 1: hot hostage ponds, in all of this, you also see
Speaker 1: growing concern from the international community about war crimes from
Speaker 1: the Israeli side, including their announcement that they're going to
Speaker 1: have the complete siege, which announce effectively to collective punishment
Speaker 1: of all two point two million people within Gaza. Remember,
Speaker 1: as Sagar was saying, Gaza is densely populated, and remember
Speaker 1: all of the people there are not Hamas. Half of
Speaker 1: the population are children. The median age in the Gaza
Speaker 1: strip is nineteen years old. You have many people who
Speaker 1: are living in poverty already. The water is barely drinkable.
Speaker 1: There are efforts in place right now to try to
Speaker 1: establish some sort of humanitarian corridor so that people the
Speaker 1: many thousands of people who have already been injured in
Speaker 1: Israeli strikes can seek effective medical care because even before
Speaker 1: this now complete siege situation where they're denying food, water, electricity, fuel,
Speaker 1: et cetera, already they really suffered and struggled to have
Speaker 1: sufficient medical supplies in the Gaza strip. That of course
Speaker 1: now only exacerbated and with the death toll rising into
Speaker 1: over five hundred, including children, including journal this has become
Speaker 1: an urgent need. Let me just read you a little
Speaker 1: bit of what the UN Human Rights Chief said about
Speaker 1: all of this in terms of the full siege. They
Speaker 1: said on October ninth, Israeli authorities ordered a full siege
Speaker 1: of Gaza, shutting off electricity, water, food, and fuel supplies.
Speaker 1: This we're seriously compounding the already dire human rights and
Speaker 1: humanitarian situation in Gaza, including the capacity of medical facilities
Speaker 1: to operate, especially in light of increasing numbers of injured.
Speaker 1: The imposition of sieges that endanger the lives of civilians
Speaker 1: by depriving them of goods essential for their survival is
Speaker 1: prohibited under international human humanitarian law. Any restrictions on the
Speaker 1: movement of people and goods to implement a siege must
Speaker 1: be justified by military necessity or may otherwise amount to
Speaker 1: collective punishment. So it's a horrific situation. And you know,
Speaker 1: war crimes already being committed by both sides, beginning with
Speaker 1: Hamas with the whore that they inflicted on in Israeli citizens.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're right, And you know, one of the nightmares
Speaker 2: right now is that there has no been any real
Speaker 2: development from the Egyptian side. I often feel that the
Speaker 2: Egyptians don't really get mess of the criticism that they
Speaker 2: deserve here as well. You know, they're participating in the
Speaker 2: blockade on Gaza, and the truth is that they don't
Speaker 2: want the Palestinians. Yeah, they don't want to deal with
Speaker 2: it what the Jordanians have had to deal none to
Speaker 2: the Saudis, not o of the Qataris. Most people contact
Speaker 2: me yesterday they're like, hey, why don't they just take them.
Speaker 2: I'm like, well, you know, they hate them too. Unfortunately,
Speaker 2: that's the truth. If we were to establish a humanitarian
Speaker 2: corridor out of Gaza, with the territory that they have
Speaker 2: with Egypt, there would be a credible case there.
Speaker 3: You could basically do what the US military did.
Speaker 2: You know, in the I think it was the first
Speaker 2: of the Second Battle of Fallujah, where they're look, everybody
Speaker 2: who doesn't want to fight, you should leave, and anybody
Speaker 2: who stays, you're going to be considered an active combatant
Speaker 2: because at the very least in that scenario you give
Speaker 2: people a chance to go Otherwise. It is but it
Speaker 2: is impossible. I'm not even to say virtual impossible. It
Speaker 2: is impossible then, to conduct military operations inside of Gaza,
Speaker 2: both from an air strike level and at a ground
Speaker 2: level without massive collateral damage. And you know, that is
Speaker 2: one of those where I keep actually thinking about what
Speaker 2: Trita Parsi said on our show yesterday, which was very,
Speaker 2: very prescient. He said, remember, after nine to eleven, the
Speaker 2: world was with America. It though our response to nine
Speaker 2: to eleven and eventually came to bide us such that
Speaker 2: we eventually created more international terrorism. Our response ended up killing,
Speaker 2: you know, untold numbers of more people than were even
Speaker 2: affected in the overall attack, and on net we came
Speaker 2: out far worse from our response than we did for
Speaker 2: the attack.
Speaker 3: The world a lot of the world right now is
Speaker 3: with Israel.
Speaker 2: A lot of the world is horrified by the attacks,
Speaker 2: even with the air strikes and all that their death
Speaker 2: toll in Israel appears to be appears we don't know
Speaker 2: yet from the official sources. At least nine hundred or
Speaker 2: so Israelis were killed in the operation, and there's I
Speaker 2: think about seven or eight hundred that have been killed
Speaker 2: on the Palestinian side.
Speaker 3: Some many of those actually are civilians.
Speaker 2: Will never really know what the actual breakdown is, but
Speaker 2: I think he is absolutely correct to flag for them.
Speaker 2: He's like, look, you kill ten thousand, you kill one
Speaker 2: hundred thousand, you know, I mean this, that's and that's
Speaker 2: not actually all that crazy when you think about how
Speaker 2: densely populated is if these people have nowhere to go,
Speaker 2: and that's why I think anybody who has any want
Speaker 2: and I understand there's a lot of bloodthirst and very
Speaker 2: obviously from a lot of size, but there's not you know,
Speaker 2: not everybody inside of these cities. It's just like Fallujah.
Speaker 2: Not everybody inside of Fallujah was a terrorist. A lot
Speaker 2: of these people were very well meaning Iraqis. They wanted
Speaker 2: nothing to do with this nonsense. And you know they
Speaker 2: saw their homes raised to the ground. Same thing in Mosl.
Speaker 2: You know, Isis took over Mosl. Does that mean everybody
Speaker 2: in Mosl was you know a terrorist. No, they were
Speaker 2: the ones who actually suffered the most. They hated them,
Speaker 2: and so I think it's just a very very unfortunate
Speaker 2: situation and I don't I don't think I see a
Speaker 2: way around it though, because Hamas is in some cases
Speaker 2: also they have a military necessity to try and to
Speaker 2: keep his many civilians as possible.
Speaker 3: They're telling many of those.
Speaker 2: People no, no, no, don't leave. That's just really propaganda. In
Speaker 2: some cases, they might even prevent them from leaving because
Speaker 2: they want to be able to use them as human shields.
Speaker 3: And these people are ponds. They're completely caught in the middle.
Speaker 1: Well, and they also have nowhere to go.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well exactly right now, they have nowhere to go.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Natanyahu made this statement of like leave now. They can't.
Speaker 1: They literally can't. I mean there's been a blockade on
Speaker 1: Gaza for sixteen years now before this complete siege situation
Speaker 1: with their high tech fencing and all of this. That
Speaker 1: was another piece that came out which is really wild
Speaker 1: to contemplate and kind of terrifying. You know, Israel spent
Speaker 1: millions and millions of dollars building this high tech fence
Speaker 1: with all sorts of surveillance apparatus around Gaza. They thought
Speaker 1: that was sufficient, and because of the extrememisteur in Netanyahu's
Speaker 1: governing coalition, they redirected many IDF soldiers to the West
Speaker 1: Bank to help protect the Jewish settlers there and the
Speaker 1: illegal settlements in and around the West Bank, and so
Speaker 1: there were very little troop presence there. And then all
Speaker 1: of their multimillion dollars super high tech equipment was basically
Speaker 1: disabled by like one hundred dollars off the shelf drones
Speaker 1: that Hamas was and that was their first thing that
Speaker 1: they did before the rockets, before the invasion, they disabled
Speaker 1: all of this high tech surveillance equipment again using this
Speaker 1: just like you know, one hundred dollars drones up against
Speaker 1: this multimillion dollar fence. And so it shows you, I mean,
Speaker 1: on the one hand, it's unbelievable if you think of that,
Speaker 1: I don't even I feel uncomfortable even using the word
Speaker 1: war because on the one hand, you have this, you know,
Speaker 1: effectively non state actor. On the other hand, you have
Speaker 1: one of the most well funded, powerful militaries in the
Speaker 1: entire world. Like there's no doubt, it's the asymmetry of
Speaker 1: the situation. And on the other hand, because of technology,
Speaker 1: you see how and this is something treat To Parsi
Speaker 1: talked about yesterday too. There is a bit of leveling
Speaker 1: of of the playing field in terms of the carnage
Speaker 1: that these sides are able to able to.
Speaker 2: Afflict on each other. Yeah, it's actually a very interesting lesson.
Speaker 2: A lot of people are saying that Hamas is learning
Speaker 2: from a ways that the Ukrainians are actually fighting against Russia,
Speaker 2: but that's really one where the US military also found
Speaker 2: that out in Iraq and in Afghanistan, we had billions
Speaker 2: and billions of dollars and then all it took was
Speaker 2: Iranians to give this one specific ied technology which could
Speaker 2: penetrate our like our humbies, and five hundred Americans were killed,
Speaker 2: thousands were mutilated, and then it took US billions and
Speaker 2: billions and billions of dollars to build like this one
Speaker 2: thing which would technically not you know, would not inflict
Speaker 2: the same amount of damage. There's the asymmetry and the
Speaker 2: part of the quote unquote untechnologically advanced has probably never
Speaker 2: been at a better position because they just have so
Speaker 2: many vectors. I mean, even with the music festival, who
Speaker 2: could have predicted they're literally going to he said, paraglide
Speaker 2: or hand glide.
Speaker 3: You know, into the facility.
Speaker 2: And how do you prodect against that other than having
Speaker 2: like literal physical troops on the ground. You can't technology
Speaker 2: your way out of this. And that's something though, that
Speaker 2: Israel has really pioneered over time. And just to underscore
Speaker 2: how Israeli society is preparing for the next couple of days,
Speaker 2: here was a report from Israel where they're telling citizens
Speaker 2: you need to shelter in place and have enough supplies
Speaker 2: to ride out the next seventy two hours because we
Speaker 2: don't know what's going to happen.
Speaker 3: Here's what he said.
Speaker 6: And so I think what the IDF Homefront decided to
Speaker 6: do is use this opportunity to remind all Israelis that
Speaker 6: according to the according to their regular guidelines, we should
Speaker 6: all be prepared with. All Israelis should be prepared with
Speaker 6: and stock up in their shelters. I think that was
Speaker 6: the intention, and that also explains I think perhaps the
Speaker 6: clarification that they issued following that, but already Israelis didn't
Speaker 6: wait for the clarification and many of them have taken
Speaker 6: to the supermarkets at this late hour of the day
Speaker 6: only simply because of that scary statement.
Speaker 2: So there we're actually trying to clean it up, saying, look,
Speaker 2: it's not imminent, but you just need to make sure
Speaker 2: that you have it. It does come though, at a
Speaker 2: time when rockets continue to rain down on Israel, even
Speaker 2: literally right as we speak, as a rocket attack going
Speaker 2: on with Tel Aviv Iron Dome is being tested probably
Speaker 2: to its absolute limit. And it does show you, you know,
Speaker 2: it's like people inside of Israel, I think, not only
Speaker 2: does everybody there it's a country of only ten million people.
Speaker 2: If you think about just Israeli citizens, if three hundred
Speaker 2: and sixty thousand people are called up, everybody has a son,
Speaker 2: a brother, an uncle, or somebody who is involved in
Speaker 2: the military operation in somehow or at the very least
Speaker 2: has been called you know, to their posts. But they also,
Speaker 2: you know, are very much feeling as if they are
Speaker 2: at risk, especially with all of the violence that happening
Speaker 2: continuing in the South. And I just think it's still
Speaker 2: so we you know, obviously we're going to continue to
Speaker 2: develop the war, but I don't know how Israel. Israel
Speaker 2: never be the same after this, just because so much
Speaker 2: of their adherence to the security state, their trust in
Speaker 2: the system, the unbelievable amount of power that they give
Speaker 2: to the government, and all that was you're gonna keep
Speaker 2: a safe here and make sure this stuff never happens again.
Speaker 2: But it's a massive failure. I mean massive. We saw
Speaker 2: the border fail We saw that they you know how
Speaker 2: I said this yesterday, Snowden made this point. NATONI who
Speaker 2: invests all this money in Pegasus one and in Pegasus two,
Speaker 2: they say they can tap every phone in Gaza. They
Speaker 2: say they we've got intel agents all over the ground.
Speaker 2: You know, there's even a joke that the Israeli people
Speaker 2: always make about like oh one in ten hamask guys
Speaker 2: Israeli informant.
Speaker 3: It's like, well what happened? And then same with Iran.
Speaker 2: They have all of these vaunted you know secure Oh
Speaker 2: we snuck a Massad guy into their nuclear reactor and
Speaker 2: we blew it up from the inside and all of this. Well,
Speaker 2: you know, if Iran maintains all these ties, how did
Speaker 2: you miss it? Same with Lebanon. So I look, we're
Speaker 2: never going to get over that one. Yeah, And I
Speaker 2: think that's a big, big question that remains.
Speaker 1: There continue to be a lot of questions about that
Speaker 1: Wall Street Journal report too, that were covered with Doctor
Speaker 1: Parci yesterday alleging per Hamas and Husbola that Iran was
Speaker 1: directly Now do we know that Aran backs Hamas and
Speaker 1: helps apply absolutely, like, there's no.
Speaker 2: Question about that.
Speaker 1: But were they directly involved in the planning of these attacks?
Speaker 1: That's the question. And there's been a lot of cold
Speaker 1: water poured on that report from the Wall Street Journal,
Speaker 1: both from the US side and from the Israeli side,
Speaker 1: which is really interesting. This is a good place to
Speaker 1: actually move on to some allegations of just how insane
Speaker 1: the intelligence failure here was. Because Soccer is absolutely right.
Speaker 1: I mean, the whole ability of Israelis to live and
Speaker 1: govern in the manner that they were was predicated on
Speaker 1: a high level of confidence in the intelligence and in
Speaker 1: the military, and they that has been shaken to its core.
Speaker 1: So that's why when you see these reports of like
Speaker 1: you got to get three, you know, days worth of food,
Speaker 1: there's just no confidence anymore that the government is going
Speaker 1: to be able to keep them safe. And this report
Speaker 1: is another real shocking development if true. Put this up
Speaker 1: on the screen. Egypt is saying, hey, we've warned Netanyahoo
Speaker 1: directly ten days ago that quote something big was going
Speaker 1: to happen, and you know, it wasn't extremely specific, but
Speaker 1: in one of the warnings, Egypt's intelligence minister, General Abbas
Speaker 1: Kamel personally called Ntnyahoo ten days before this attack, said
Speaker 1: that Gozans were likely to do something unusual, a terrible operation.
Speaker 1: And according to these sources in Egypt, Netnyahoo sort of
Speaker 1: brushed them off, and they were fairly stunned that the
Speaker 1: warnings were not taken more seriously. As we mentioned a
Speaker 1: few times, they were much more focused on these skirmishes
Speaker 1: between you know, residents of the West Bank and and
Speaker 1: Jewish Israeli settlers and the violence that was taking place there.
Speaker 1: Many of the troops had been redirected there. They said
Speaker 1: they felt like that was where the real risk was.
Speaker 1: They thought Gaza was fine, that they were placated. They
Speaker 1: were thinking of given them a few more thousand work
Speaker 1: permits and they thought that would be sufficient to keep
Speaker 1: things quiet over there. So at least according to this,
Speaker 1: which I will say Netnyah who's calling complete fake news
Speaker 1: and completely denying out of hand, but if this is accurate,
Speaker 1: I mean, this is another yet another stunning failure that
Speaker 1: you actually had information directly from Egypt saying something big
Speaker 1: is coming and you literally did nothing.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I think it's stunning too, because they specifically say
Speaker 2: that Netta Nya, who told this, is one of those
Speaker 2: where look, it's either true or it's not, and it
Speaker 2: actually should be pretty easy to verify. I personally have
Speaker 2: a decent amount of trust the Israeli media, as you
Speaker 2: can see here, is being incredibly critical of Neta Nyah,
Speaker 2: who both the Times of Israel and Herats are out
Speaker 2: for blood in their response, and they're like, look, we
Speaker 2: have here an Egyptian official who tells us directly that
Speaker 2: the intelligence minister who they name, personally called you ten before,
Speaker 2: days before the attack, and the Egyptian officials say that
Speaker 2: Netanyahu's response quote told the minister the military was submerged
Speaker 2: in troubles in the West Bank directly in his response
Speaker 2: in that phone call ten days before.
Speaker 3: Records are kept they have the phone call or not.
Speaker 2: Also, as we all found out during the Trump era,
Speaker 2: there are contemporary transcripts. They're kept on all of this.
Speaker 2: So if you're in the Israeli government, you should let
Speaker 2: somebody know. Let's let one of these grave great journalists
Speaker 2: in the Times of Israel Haratz know if that is
Speaker 2: true or not. What they also point out though, is
Speaker 2: that the Egyptian intelligence were One of the reasons why
Speaker 2: they would of course have great knowledge is not only
Speaker 2: do they participate in the blockade, they control one of
Speaker 2: those major land crossings that Gazin's you know, ostensibly might
Speaker 2: be able to use. And there's always been allegations that
Speaker 2: one of the major pathways of weapons into Gaza through
Speaker 2: these you know, Egyptian tunnels, of which the Egyptian government
Speaker 2: either controls or allows or disallows based upon their whims
Speaker 2: and whatever is good for their domestic situation. So they
Speaker 2: would have great visibility into what is going on inside
Speaker 2: of Gaza. And this is obviously, you know, one of
Speaker 2: the most authoritarian countries on earth currently Egypt under military dictatorship.
Speaker 2: So I personally would have taken this very seriously if
Speaker 2: something like this were to emerge. So Israelis also should
Speaker 2: be outraged at this. It also is interesting in terms
Speaker 2: of the response to the attack. The chief military spokesperson,
Speaker 2: he said that the army does owe the publican explanation,
Speaker 2: but he said now is not the time. Quote, first
Speaker 2: we fight, then we investigate.
Speaker 1: True.
Speaker 2: However, you know, it's one of those where a lot
Speaker 2: of questions still need to be asked here about how
Speaker 2: this came to be. And as I alluded to Haretz,
Speaker 2: as we characterize yesterday kind of as the New York
Speaker 2: Times of Israel continues to highlight some of the major
Speaker 2: failures of the Netanyahu government that could have led to
Speaker 2: this one of these, let's put this up there on
Speaker 2: the screen which they put out yesterday. Quote an actual
Speaker 2: quote from Netagnyah who openly in March of twenty nineteen,
Speaker 2: anyone who wants to thwart the establishment of a Palestinian
Speaker 2: state has to support bolstering Hamas and transferring money to Hamas.
Speaker 2: Nettayah who told the Likud Party Kanesset members in March
Speaker 2: of twenty nineteen, this is part of our strategy. And
Speaker 2: this was actually from a column that was written by
Speaker 2: an Israeli giddy whites and he just said another concept implodes,
Speaker 2: Israel can't be managed by a criminal defendant.
Speaker 3: Quote.
Speaker 2: A direct line now runs between judicial overhaul and the
Speaker 2: Gaza war. Netanyahu should ameliate, begging and go. We cannot
Speaker 2: expect introspection from him. The future inquiry must investigate how
Speaker 2: much time the Prime Minister has devoted to reform and
Speaker 2: how much listening to the military leadership, and they specifically
Speaker 2: highlight his political strategy about how to come back to power,
Speaker 2: tearing the country apart by basically he really is a
Speaker 2: lot like Trump, except and smarter. In my opinion, he
Speaker 2: basically is in it for survival, willing to do whatever
Speaker 2: it takes to remain in power, doesn't care about democratic
Speaker 2: norms or any of this, will ally himself with anyone
Speaker 2: as long as they are on his side. And the
Speaker 2: political expediency and all of that ripped the country apart,
Speaker 2: not only domestically but their intelligence community. And it's within
Speaker 2: that vacuum of chaos that this attack happened. And now
Speaker 2: Israel finds itself in a battle that they have not
Speaker 2: faced in fifty years.
Speaker 3: Well in country.
Speaker 1: And that's the immediate context, which is really important to
Speaker 1: understand that because Netan Yahoo was in trouble for his
Speaker 1: own allegations of corruption when she denies, that was the
Speaker 1: genesis of this fight to basically kneecap the independent Judiciary
Speaker 1: and Supreme Court, and that's what created this mass conflict
Speaker 1: and these protests and that's what you and also that's
Speaker 1: part of why his quest for power is part of
Speaker 1: why he ended up forming this coalition with these effectively
Speaker 1: like racist psychopaths on the hard extreme part of the
Speaker 1: Israeli spectrum. And they're the ones who were so intent
Speaker 1: on pushing forward with the illegal settlements and protecting these
Speaker 1: Jewish settlers over and above making sure that the gods
Speaker 1: of border were safe. So that part is really important
Speaker 1: in terms of the micro context. But that quote that
Speaker 1: we just had up there really speaks to macro context
Speaker 1: here too. As we said before, you know, in the West,
Speaker 1: we sort of maintain this fiction because we're far away
Speaker 1: and we can do it that. Oh they're you know,
Speaker 1: two state solution, and there's a path to that, and
Speaker 1: that's what we need to be pushing for. That's not
Speaker 1: what Netanyahu wants, our beliefs. He is very clear in
Speaker 1: this statement that he wants to thwart the establishment of
Speaker 1: any Palestinian state and the way to do that in
Speaker 1: his view, and this goes back also to the founding
Speaker 1: of AMAS, which was bolstered by Israelis in order to
Speaker 1: be a check on the PLO. His view continued to be, Hey,
Speaker 1: if you want to thwart the establishment. What you should
Speaker 1: do is build up from us. Why because it's going
Speaker 1: to be very unsympathetic. If you have these psychopathic terrorists
Speaker 1: who are the face of the Palestinian liberation movement, it's
Speaker 1: going to be very unsympathetic the idea of giving them
Speaker 1: any sort of a state. So let's build them up.
Speaker 1: That's the way to go in order to make sure
Speaker 1: that we, you know, are able to sort of short
Speaker 1: circuit any talk of a real peace solution to state
Speaker 1: solution or otherwise. And that's been the direction that you know,
Speaker 1: Israeli public policy has been going in. And at this
Speaker 1: point it's really not even just Yahoo and the hard right.
Speaker 1: This has become the status quo in Israel where it's like,
Speaker 1: you know, we think that the IDF is going to
Speaker 1: keep us safe. We think the intelligence is so great
Speaker 1: that we're not going to suffer any real threats. We
Speaker 1: can just sort of maintain the occupation and the blockade
Speaker 1: status quo and put the Palestinian out of our mind.
Speaker 1: And globally, this was the position adopted by the US
Speaker 1: internationally of Okay, under Trump, we're going to do the
Speaker 1: Abraham Accords and just pretend like the Palestinians don't exist.
Speaker 1: Under Biden, We're going to do this new Saudi Arabia deal,
Speaker 1: which very similar, and just pretend the Palestinians don't exist.
Speaker 1: That was the idea of how are they going to
Speaker 1: build this quote unquote new Middle East? And I think
Speaker 1: it really comes through in this quote how much of
Speaker 1: a failure that policy is and the fact that you
Speaker 1: are never going to have I don't care how many millions, billions,
Speaker 1: trillions of dollars you spend on your military and the
Speaker 1: high tech and the surveillance and all of that, if
Speaker 1: you really care about safety and security for your own citizens,
Speaker 1: for Israeli citizens, there will be no real safety and
Speaker 1: security until you have a some sort of a just
Speaker 1: and sustainable resolution to the you know, the apartheid conditions
Speaker 1: that Palestinians are currently living under, both in the West
Speaker 1: Bank and in Gaza.
Speaker 2: Well, I hope that will eventually get to that, you know,
Speaker 2: in this situation, but unfortunately, I just think so there's
Speaker 2: gonna be so much death and destruction.
Speaker 1: In the in the Middle and it's already happening.
Speaker 3: It is already happening.
Speaker 2: And as I said, it really could only get so
Speaker 2: much worse from here, especially if we see a full
Speaker 2: bone war breakout and we don't even see any attempts
Speaker 2: really at diplomacy or any of that, which I understand.
Speaker 2: You know, in some cases on the Israeli even on
Speaker 2: the Palainian side, they both feel like they're so all
Speaker 2: in at this point that they've got nothing else.
Speaker 1: The amount of dehumanization that has happened here, I mean
Speaker 1: is just.
Speaker 2: It's just I mean, you heard the hamask Gay He's like,
Speaker 2: you know what, He's like, it's unfortunate, but we're going
Speaker 2: to cut these people's heads off, you know on camera.
Speaker 1: Well, I mean, and they have no qualms about murdering
Speaker 1: any Israeli.
Speaker 2: They yeah, exactly, they've been shooting up little grandmas and
Speaker 2: you know, even children. And then same thing, you know,
Speaker 2: I see the same I see videos of little tiny
Speaker 2: kids and babies getting pulled out of Gaza wreckage and.
Speaker 3: You're like, man, this is just it's so so horrific.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Absolutely, you know, it's tax on markets, attacks on moss,
Speaker 1: raising apartment buildings to the ground. Again, half of Gaza
Speaker 1: children median age of nineteen years old. These babies are
Speaker 1: not Hamas, They are not terrorists, and they deserve life
Speaker 1: as much as these precious Israeli babies do as well.
Speaker 3: Let's move on misinformation. This was very important.
Speaker 2: As you could see, it's been trepidacious and difficult for
Speaker 2: us to continue to report on this just because we're
Speaker 2: not in Israel. I only know one person who actually
Speaker 2: has a reporter, Trey yangste shoutout amount yesterday. But it's
Speaker 2: been incredibly difficult to sort through what is true.
Speaker 1: And what is not.
Speaker 2: It's very reminiscent of the early days of the Ukraine War. Oh,
Speaker 2: Snake Island, the Ghost of Kiev. You know what else
Speaker 2: am I missing in terms of some of the hoaxes
Speaker 2: that were perpetrated at that time. And we have several
Speaker 2: examples actually that we can show you that a one
Speaker 2: user actually did a fantastic job of highlighting.
Speaker 3: So let's start with the first one. Let's put this
Speaker 3: up there.
Speaker 2: So this one, for example, this is a video that
Speaker 2: was circulating of a tower block in Gaza being hit.
Speaker 2: It was being circulated as if it had just happened.
Speaker 2: Turns out it was actually live during a BBC Arabic
Speaker 2: broadcast in May of twenty twenty one, and it was
Speaker 2: circulated widely all across as some sort of response by Israel. Yeah,
Speaker 2: it was a response by Israel, but it was a
Speaker 2: response in the last war in May of twenty twenty one.
Speaker 3: Move on to the next one. Please.
Speaker 2: This one also is a you know, shows you the
Speaker 2: exact same thing. The video of a house in Gaza
Speaker 2: being destroyed by a strike quote is genuine, but it's
Speaker 2: from May of twenty twenty three, not as a result
Speaker 2: of the current escalation. So the same problem where we're
Speaker 2: taking old videos and in some cases not even that old,
Speaker 2: but it just happened, and then we're passing them around
Speaker 2: as if it had just occurred.
Speaker 3: Here's the next one.
Speaker 2: This one is being going around, has been shared a
Speaker 2: bunch of times shows israelly police and it was actually
Speaker 2: special forces outside of a house as you could see
Speaker 2: from their uniforms, not Hamas militants. This was a video
Speaker 2: that was being passed around of people allegedly going door
Speaker 2: to door when it was actually police and special forces
Speaker 2: who were trying to go door to door to make
Speaker 2: that every make sure everybody in the community is safe.
Speaker 2: And then the next one, this again does not show
Speaker 2: Hamas shooting down to Israeli helicopters because it's from a
Speaker 2: freaking video game of called Arma three. I think that
Speaker 2: one might be the absolute worst. And I believe we
Speaker 2: have one more that we can show, which is quote
Speaker 2: a actual tweet which was going around and saying, quote breaking,
Speaker 2: Israel has authorized a tactical nuclear strike on the Gaza Strip,
Speaker 2: Israel's advice to lead border settlement areas to avoid nuclear fallout,
Speaker 2: and of course that's not even true. Also, just everyone
Speaker 2: knows Israel's never even acknowledged having a nuclear weapon, even
Speaker 2: though they definitely do. And it's one of those where
Speaker 2: you know, in the heat of battle, as we will
Speaker 2: all remember with Ukraine, the Ghost of Kiev, Snake Island,
Speaker 2: many other of these stories that were passed around.
Speaker 3: We have no idea, you know.
Speaker 2: Even yesterday I said, based on a report that I
Speaker 2: saw of a first hand account from one source that
Speaker 2: there have been mass rape at the music festival, it
Speaker 2: turns out that is only from one single source, and
Speaker 2: that this has not been verified, and that the first
Speaker 2: hand nature of it has now been questioned. I have
Speaker 2: no idea whether it occurred or not. I felt though
Speaker 2: that I should say that here because that's obviously incendiary
Speaker 2: and horrible claim.
Speaker 3: I wouldn't put it past them.
Speaker 2: I wouldn't put it past people who are going to
Speaker 2: you know, massacre people and shoot them and take them hostage.
Speaker 3: Who God knows what happens.
Speaker 2: It wouldn't be out of character you don't to see
Speaker 2: in a war, especially with ISIS in the past and
Speaker 2: Islamic terrorists. But I'm not going to say it until
Speaker 2: it's been one hundred percent verified. So you know, I
Speaker 2: could say that here, but that just goes to show
Speaker 2: you we're doing We're working so hard here Crystal, try
Speaker 2: and give people the best of information, and again and
Speaker 2: again we see crazy instances.
Speaker 3: This this is the craziest, one of the graziest ones.
Speaker 2: Put this out there place where this guy puts a
Speaker 2: puts out a tweet says, alleged footage of Hamas keeping
Speaker 2: children in cages? Why what purposes it serve? Are they
Speaker 2: Israeli hostages? Correction, they are actually they were Palestinian children
Speaker 2: that were being held in cages by Israeli law enforcement
Speaker 2: and army officials.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Interesting that one immediately got deleted. None of this, by
Speaker 2: the way, is to you know, bash whatever regime or you.
Speaker 3: Know, side.
Speaker 2: It's just to show you, like trying to sort through
Speaker 2: all of us, you have to be very very careful
Speaker 2: with what you see. It has to be verified multiple sources.
Speaker 2: You never know what's being out there. Things can be
Speaker 2: deceptively edited. Everybody. This is just Twitter, I mean, Instagram, Facebook,
Speaker 2: all this is rife with the same level. And you
Speaker 2: and I are not calling for misinformation or for you know,
Speaker 2: we're not calling for mass censorship or any of that.
Speaker 2: We are only pleading with you to do what we
Speaker 2: have to do, which is be very careful. Don't believe
Speaker 2: everything that you see. Try to make sure it's been
Speaker 2: verified multiple times. Definitely, don't just take something credulous because
Speaker 2: your friend posted it. You know, images like the kids
Speaker 2: image is so easy to be passed around.
Speaker 3: You know, the other one that we saw.
Speaker 2: The like we said, the special Forces. You can make
Speaker 2: something guys going door to door, something that was actually
Speaker 2: a heroic act into a nefarious act. So just calm wait,
Speaker 2: we don't know. The stories themselves don't need to be embellished.
Speaker 3: They're bad enough. The two ones you don't need to
Speaker 3: be pumping out you know crap.
Speaker 1: Well, and I mean I do think some of these
Speaker 1: people that are sharing this stuff, especially the people that
Speaker 1: even after they get called down on it, they don't
Speaker 1: take it down. I mean, I think it is actually
Speaker 1: malevolent in certain cases where they just want the clicks,
Speaker 1: they just want the cloud. I mean, the people who
Speaker 1: are like making video game graphics and sharing that crap.
Speaker 1: You can't tell me they don't know what they're doing.
Speaker 1: Come on, Ted Cruz shared that kids in Cage is
Speaker 1: bullshit after I mean this was days after it had
Speaker 1: already been widely debunked and like, hey, that's actually Palestinian
Speaker 1: children and that's not actually from now and this is
Speaker 1: totally wildly inaccurate. He still shared it, I think yesterday,
Speaker 1: So it's did he know about her? And I have
Speaker 1: no idea, but especially be careful when it fits whatever
Speaker 1: your biased, like pre existing bias is, when it fits
Speaker 1: your storyline a little bit too closely, really take a
Speaker 1: step back and really think about where's this coming from.
Speaker 1: Who's verified it, has it been double verified, et cetera.
Speaker 1: Here's another one. This was Jamie Lee Curtis who put
Speaker 1: this up on the screen, who was making a post
Speaker 1: that she thought was in support of Israel, and she
Speaker 1: just puts this captain this on Instagram, Terror from the
Speaker 1: Skies with the Israeli flag. That's a picture of Palestinian
Speaker 1: kids in Gaza who are afraid of bombing that is
Speaker 1: coming from the Israelis in retaliation. So she's actually accidentally
Speaker 1: making the exact opposite point of what she thinks she's
Speaker 1: making here, which is, you know, in defensive Israeli children. Instead,
Speaker 1: she's showing the horror that Palestinian children are also being
Speaker 1: subjected to. Right now, I have to say, Sager, you
Speaker 1: know we had a little debate before about community notes
Speaker 1: on Twitter. Yes, I have come to really appreciate community
Speaker 1: notes because it's a it's a.
Speaker 3: Thing of their own making.
Speaker 2: That's only they only need community notes because of the
Speaker 2: vast like like Ian Miles Chong right who I'm gonna
Speaker 2: call it. This guy has posted multiple things, so many
Speaker 2: completely wrong. He's only boosted in the algorithm because he
Speaker 2: frequently is a reply guy to Elon. By the way,
Speaker 2: he's never even been to America. I don't know if
Speaker 2: anybody knows that he's from Malaysia. Is constantly posting about.
Speaker 1: I know, I Milestrong as I wish I know less.
Speaker 2: I know, I'm only just like, why is this guy's
Speaker 2: feet you know, constantly in my feed posting all of
Speaker 2: these videos, and you know, it's like some of them
Speaker 2: are complete bs.
Speaker 3: So it's made me be like, Okay, now I can't
Speaker 3: trust anything this person.
Speaker 7: But that why the.
Speaker 2: Recent community notes end up being needed is because we
Speaker 2: have vast amounts of these crazy verified accounts like you know,
Speaker 2: like x monitor or whatever, which just post stuff and
Speaker 2: it has the blue check and people take it credulously
Speaker 2: and they amassed hundreds of thousands of followers and then
Speaker 2: what two three hours later you have a note. But honestly,
Speaker 2: at that point the damage is done. No, I'm not
Speaker 2: saying that they are just as bad. You know, in
Speaker 2: many cas they're probably just as bad as a mainstream media.
Speaker 2: I'm just saying like, in terms of the problem surrounding
Speaker 2: this and all that, I think that is just like
Speaker 2: a band aid on a much worse.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, Elon actively boosted, especially one account like warmont
Speaker 1: go follow them. They're great with updates, and then people start,
Speaker 1: First of all, they get things wrong all the time.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Second of hope you were posting all of these like
Speaker 1: brazenly anti semitic comments from them, like these are the
Speaker 1: people you want folks to really follow. He deleted the tweet.
Speaker 2: Yeah, what War Monitor is a very I will say
Speaker 2: I do follow him because every once in a while
Speaker 2: he has stuff that is services. But he is one
Speaker 2: of those people, oh she I don't know who it
Speaker 2: is actually because it's an anonymous account, but he's like
Speaker 2: one of those people is like the Zionist regime. He
Speaker 2: literally refers to dead Palestinian soldiers as martyrs, just like,
Speaker 2: come on, man, you know, it's.
Speaker 1: Like, what are maybe not your neutral news?
Speaker 3: What are we're doing here? Yeah exactly.
Speaker 2: I mean I maybe because I've covered several wars and
Speaker 2: conflicts in the past.
Speaker 3: You know, it's like it's just a given.
Speaker 2: You know, if you went through Syria, if you went
Speaker 2: through Afghanistan, if you went through Ukraine.
Speaker 3: That's just for in the last like ten years.
Speaker 2: You should have a very very thick skin and be
Speaker 2: incredibly skeptical about a lot of the stuff that you
Speaker 2: sift through. But I do think that there are a
Speaker 2: lot of people who are coming online in this like
Speaker 2: obsession era area where I've noticed this really with Ukraine,
Speaker 2: where people who have never been Ukraine probably never even
Speaker 2: heard of Ukraine before Ukraine can tell you every unit
Speaker 2: where they are placed.
Speaker 3: They're like follow it.
Speaker 2: It's like a video game where a lot of people
Speaker 2: actually met some of these people. It's sounds scary. In
Speaker 2: most cases, they're losers and they really have a lot
Speaker 2: going else else in their life, and it's like they
Speaker 2: live vicariously through the conflict by going on our combat
Speaker 2: footage or whatever, Reddit or going on Telegram. Now that
Speaker 2: LiveLeak is dead rip to those who used to also
Speaker 2: frequent the site, and they like live through go pro
Speaker 2: footage and a lot of this other stuff. And that's
Speaker 2: actually what I think feeds the most of this misinformation
Speaker 2: because it's like a dopamine hit for people who like
Speaker 2: to play Call of Duty, which is why it is
Speaker 2: gross for all of us, because they're real people, real
Speaker 2: people's lives, and has a real impact in terms of
Speaker 2: the public's understanding of the situation.
Speaker 1: Let me also say, I mean this is like just
Speaker 1: the beginning of this because these are like you know,
Speaker 1: video game footage that's easily disproven, or you can go
Speaker 1: back and look and be like, actually, this is BBC
Speaker 1: footage from last year, not this current conflict, et cetera,
Speaker 1: which some of this, some of the things that were
Speaker 1: being shared as being in the current conflict, which we're like, no,
Speaker 1: that was actually a few months ago. Also goes to
Speaker 1: show you the level of the of continued violence that
Speaker 1: is going on here that you know, people just don't
Speaker 1: really pay attention to typically, But you know, this is
Speaker 1: before we really have transitioned into the era of AI
Speaker 1: and deep fakes and what could be generated there, and
Speaker 1: people are really going to need to be on their guard.
Speaker 1: And the number one thing you can do to inoculate
Speaker 1: yourself is to really really question anything that fits too
Speaker 1: neatly into your own bias. Be aware of what your
Speaker 1: narrative is, be aware of what your bias is, and
Speaker 1: really question yourself when it's video footage kids in cages
Speaker 1: that happen to fit your particular political ideology, because that's
Speaker 1: where people really get caught. And there are really malicious
Speaker 1: actors out there who just want the clicks and they
Speaker 1: really don't care whether it's accurate or inaccurate or whatever.
Speaker 1: And even if they end up deleting it, the fact
Speaker 1: they posted it and got you know, thousands of retweets
Speaker 1: and all this engagement whatever, and got the bump in
Speaker 1: their account from it and then they go and delete
Speaker 1: it like that's all they need to help to build
Speaker 1: their clouds. So there are a lot of very shady
Speaker 1: actors there, and don't find yourself caught up and when
Speaker 1: it's sad, because it makes us actually have to rely
Speaker 1: more on the mainstream sources, because it's so difficult to
Speaker 1: verify or trust anything that is being posted on Twitter
Speaker 1: in particular or other platforms at this point, because there
Speaker 1: is so much and don't even get me started on
Speaker 1: the friakin headlines being gone from the news articles, which
Speaker 1: is such a pain in the ass that is.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's so many things that we could say. We
Speaker 2: just wanted to make sure that everybody kept that in mind,
Speaker 2: especially on what is likely to be a pretty crazy
Speaker 2: forty eight hours to come.
Speaker 3: Let's move on to the speakers race. We brought you
Speaker 3: the news yesterday.
Speaker 2: The speaker's race has been dramatically impacted and could be
Speaker 2: accelerated by the Israel conflict. They want to push as
Speaker 2: much aid to Israel as possible. They can't do anything
Speaker 2: in the House of Representatives until they elect a speaker. Now,
Speaker 2: though there doesn't yet seem to be any acceleration in
Speaker 2: the development. We brought you the news that there would
Speaker 2: be a meeting last night, and there was one, but
Speaker 2: doesn't appear that anything actually happened.
Speaker 3: Let's both this up there.
Speaker 2: The screen quote the GOP holds an emotional meeting on
Speaker 2: the next speaker fails to unite on one. They had
Speaker 2: multiple people come up and speak, they said. One member
Speaker 2: called it quote a therapy session. Others specifically called out
Speaker 2: the eight people. I believe chicken shit was the most
Speaker 2: polite thing that was said about all of them, about
Speaker 2: the people who actually kicked out Kevin McCarthy. However, there
Speaker 2: have been major cracks that have now unfolded. Two members
Speaker 2: say they will only vote for Kevin McCarthy. They're like, no,
Speaker 2: I won't vote for anybody else, I will only vote
Speaker 2: for Kevin. Some have united behind Congressman Jim Jordan, who
Speaker 2: is pictured there, who is openly declared and actually has
Speaker 2: a decent amount of endorsements. Some have united around Steve Scalise,
Speaker 2: the former Number two, who has also declared his candidate
Speaker 2: for speakership. Nobody has got two hundred and seventeen votes,
Speaker 2: which is what you actually need to become speaker. So
Speaker 2: this has spurned a new draft McCarthy movement back to
Speaker 2: his old job, which he said, yes, he also has
Speaker 2: the backing of New Gingrich.
Speaker 3: Let's take a listen to that.
Speaker 8: Ninety six percent of the Republicans voted for McCarthy, four
Speaker 8: percent voter against him. From my position as a longtime
Speaker 8: Republican activist, they're traders. All eight of them should in
Speaker 8: fact be primaried. They should all be driven out of
Speaker 8: public life. What they did was to go to the
Speaker 8: other team, to cause total chaos. We ought to be
Speaker 8: focusing on Biden. We ought to be focusing on the economy.
Speaker 9: This is about a moment in time. This is about
Speaker 9: what America is going to do. Could you imagine if
Speaker 9: we were sitting here and we listened further to a
Speaker 9: Gates and Mace, that we were in a shutdown as
Speaker 9: we asked our thirty thousand men and women in the
Speaker 9: military in the Middle East to defend us without being paid.
Speaker 9: That the question around the world of what was happening
Speaker 9: here today. That's a decision by the conference. I'll allow
Speaker 9: the Conference to make whatever decision I'm speaker or not.
Speaker 9: I'm a member of this body. I know what history
Speaker 9: has had, and I can lead in any position it is.
Speaker 2: I can lead in any position it is. Doesn't sound
Speaker 2: like he's bowing out like he did just four y
Speaker 2: eight hours ago. What a crazy last eleven days you're
Speaker 2: talking about. It feels like everything's been had.
Speaker 3: The world has been accelerating since Diane Feinstein. It's only
Speaker 3: eleven days.
Speaker 1: He triggered like a hole in the matrix or something
Speaker 1: that I don't know. Maybe it might have been Trump
Speaker 1: that triggered.
Speaker 3: Probably a hole. Yes, yeah, you're right.
Speaker 2: Trump was really the one who actually activated the code.
Speaker 2: Matt Gets though, said put this up there on the screen.
Speaker 2: He was like, yeah, a lot of people does not
Speaker 2: equal to eighteen.
Speaker 3: Matt is real. It's time to move forward.
Speaker 2: After one of his colleagues, Congressman Mike Lawler, said that
Speaker 2: there are a lot of people who believe Kevin McCarthy
Speaker 2: is the right person to lead us. So I don't
Speaker 2: really know what exactly is going to happen. We don't
Speaker 2: seem any closer to two seventeen. We also know whenever
Speaker 2: it comes to the actual GOP, there will be another
Speaker 2: meeting tonight where allegedly they were going to have some
Speaker 2: sort of ballot process. One Congressman who did come out
Speaker 2: of the meeting said that they wanted to resolve everything
Speaker 2: either tonight or ongoing behind closed.
Speaker 3: Doors before that.
Speaker 2: They eventually were able to unite to two eighteen and
Speaker 2: then bring it to a vote on the floor in
Speaker 2: the House. Currently, the speaker election is still scheduled for Wednesday.
Speaker 2: There is supposed to be a vote on Wednesday for this,
Speaker 2: but the current indication in Washington does not appear that
Speaker 2: that it will be successful or that will be resolved.
Speaker 2: Could be wrong, something crazy could happen tonight, but I mean,
Speaker 2: I don't personally see a way.
Speaker 1: That could happen. I think you've got too many people
Speaker 1: who are too hard dug in. I mean, you've got
Speaker 1: a few folks who are saying, I will only vote
Speaker 1: for McCarthy. You've got other people, obviously in the Gates coalition,
Speaker 1: who will one hundred percent never vote for McCarthy. Steve
Speaker 1: Scalise out there kind of being like, hey, I'll be
Speaker 1: the middle ground, my personal guests at this point. Yesterday
Speaker 1: we brought you the reporting that they're trying to test
Speaker 1: the limit of what the like interim speaker ProTem was.
Speaker 1: His name mckenry, who's like the Plection party. Ally, they're
Speaker 1: trying to test the limits of what he can do
Speaker 1: as Speaker pro tem. And you know, up to this point,
Speaker 1: the conventional wisdom has been exactly what we've been saying,
Speaker 1: you can't do anything until you elect a new speaker.
Speaker 1: Well now they're starting to saying, well maybe you can.
Speaker 1: We need to get this is real aid done and
Speaker 1: we want to do this pro Israel resolution and whatever.
Speaker 1: It would not shock me if they just are unable
Speaker 1: to come to any sort of a resolution and he
Speaker 1: just ends up being this like interim speaker for quite
Speaker 1: a while, while you know, they could even go until
Speaker 1: the next election. I just it's hard for me to
Speaker 1: see how this gets resolved. And usually if there is
Speaker 1: a path of inaction in Washington is available, that is
Speaker 1: the path that will be taken. Like the status quo
Speaker 1: doesn't require anything hard, doesn't require any negotiations, doesn't require
Speaker 1: anyone to do anything, just continue on this course. That's
Speaker 1: how you end up with all of these like continuing
Speaker 1: resolutions and no real budget process and all of that
Speaker 1: is just like this is the default. So it wouldn't
Speaker 1: shock me if they just, like figure out a way
Speaker 1: to kind of maintain this weird in between status quo.
Speaker 1: I think that's certainly a possibility at this point. And
Speaker 1: the other piece, Sagar, that we were talking about some
Speaker 1: yesterday is, you know, now you've got this desire for
Speaker 1: additional Israel Aid, which the Republican caucus is as far
Speaker 1: as I know, like one hundred percent united behind and
Speaker 1: very adamant in favor of. And then you still have
Speaker 1: the Ukraine Aid that many Republicans and basically I think
Speaker 1: all of the Democrats want to see pass and Joe
Speaker 1: Biden wants to see passed. The new idea is, hey,
Speaker 1: we'll put these two things together and that's how we'll.
Speaker 2: Get it through.
Speaker 1: And it would not surprise me whatsoever if that's what
Speaker 1: ends up happening.
Speaker 3: Wouldn't surprise me either.
Speaker 2: The only benefit that we might have is that Ukraine,
Speaker 2: oh sorry, Israel Aid is actually on autopilot the last
Speaker 2: time that it was passed. They have a three billion
Speaker 2: dollar per year appropriation that doesn't have to be reauthorized
Speaker 2: every year as I understand it, that has not been
Speaker 2: fully drawn down or whatever from that pile, so they
Speaker 2: may not even need more aid to be appropriated, and
Speaker 2: they probably will still give it, just as a symbolic method,
Speaker 2: just saying though it's not like they it is a
Speaker 2: scenario in which they don't have to pass any new
Speaker 2: Israel AID. And if you don't have to do that,
Speaker 2: then you don't have to pass anymore Ukrainian.
Speaker 1: But you know they want more Israel.
Speaker 3: Of course they want more. We'll see how it works out.
Speaker 2: I'd be very interested because it would be I think
Speaker 2: very difficult for many even anti Ukraine AID Republicans to
Speaker 2: vote against that if they tie it together. At the
Speaker 2: same time, they could be like, no, you're we're not
Speaker 2: going to allow you procedurally to tie that together. And
Speaker 2: then also some Democrats could vote against it, might split
Speaker 2: that coalition, although who the hell knows so procedure.
Speaker 1: Yet many Democrats who vote against Israel AID. There's like
Speaker 1: maybe like three, you know, because like.
Speaker 3: Receeded to leave.
Speaker 1: Maybe Ilvan Omar May I don't think.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 1: It's hard to say, but it be a lot. So
Speaker 1: yesterday RFK Junior making it official, moving out of the
Speaker 1: Democratic primary and into a run as an independent. He
Speaker 1: gave a big speech in Philadelphia. Let's take to listen
Speaker 1: to a little.
Speaker 10: Bit of that at hotels and malls on the street,
Speaker 10: and they remind me that this country is ready for
Speaker 10: a history making change. They are ready, they are ready
Speaker 10: to reclaim their freedom, their independence. And I saw that.
Speaker 10: I thought that what you saw, and that's why I'm
Speaker 10: here today. I'm here to declare myself an independent candidate.
Speaker 1: So there you go, as I said, making it official.
Speaker 1: Independent run. Doesn't look like he's going to affiliate with
Speaker 1: any party, the Democrats, not the Republicans, also not like
Speaker 1: the Libertarians or another third party. Fully independent, difficult to
Speaker 1: get ballid access, et cetera. But he does have a
Speaker 1: good amount of money behind him. So if anyone could
Speaker 1: pull off a lot of ballid access in a number
Speaker 1: of states, I think he would be, you know, a
Speaker 1: person who would be well positioned to do it. He's
Speaker 1: also got a decent level of support and certainly significant
Speaker 1: following online and elsewhere. One thing that has been very
Speaker 1: funny about this though, is up to this moment, a
Speaker 1: lot of Republicans, especially a lot of Maga Republicans loving
Speaker 1: are of k Junior. You know, they wanted to hear
Speaker 1: everything he had to say about vaccines, about Fauci, his
Speaker 1: latest book, was about, you know, anti doctor Fauci, wanted
Speaker 1: to hear everything he had to say about like online
Speaker 1: censorship and misinformation, wanted to hear everything he had to
Speaker 1: say about Ukraine. Now they're feeling a little bit different
Speaker 1: now that he's running as an independent and not against
Speaker 1: Joe Biden, because there are some indication we'll get this
Speaker 1: into this in a minute, that he may take more
Speaker 1: votes from Donald Trump than he does from Joe Biden.
Speaker 1: So put this reaction up on the screen. This is
Speaker 1: from GOP chairwoman Roni McDaniel. She says RFK Junior cannot
Speaker 1: hide from his record of endorsing Hillary, supporting the Green
Speaker 1: New Deal, fighting against the Keystone Pipeline, and praising AOC's
Speaker 1: tax hikes. He is your typical liberal and voters will
Speaker 1: not be fooled. And this is an official RNC statement
Speaker 1: in the same direction. Actually put up on the screen.
Speaker 1: I think it's the last element we have in this
Speaker 1: block which shows you the way that Trump was talking
Speaker 1: about him very recently as well. He was praising RFK
Speaker 1: as a common sense guy. He said, this is on
Speaker 1: a radio show. He's a common sense guy. So am I. So,
Speaker 1: whether you're conservative or liberal, common sense is common sense.
Speaker 1: A lot of what I run on is common sense.
Speaker 1: He's doing really well. I saw Paul, He's at twenty two.
Speaker 1: That's pretty good. That's pretty good, doing very well. So
Speaker 1: obviously a bit of a shift in the vibes towards
Speaker 1: RFK Junior coming from the right at this point, so our.
Speaker 2: Time shift that we are seeing there, and yeah, I mean,
Speaker 2: look it last time. I think independent is going to
Speaker 2: be a tough gig. As you said, if anybody could
Speaker 2: do it, it definitely could be him. Getting on the
Speaker 2: state and or getting on the ballot in off the
Speaker 2: states is absolutely no joke. Otherwise you have to rely
Speaker 2: on writ in At this point, I mean, RFK Junior
Speaker 2: has set himself I take more votes than I do
Speaker 2: from Trump. He has also had that campaign insider that
Speaker 2: lead to media. We're going to fuck Trump is what
Speaker 2: they said. So I mean, maybe that's their goal, or
Speaker 2: maybe they just don't care because he wants to be
Speaker 2: able to get his message out there. I honestly, I
Speaker 2: think that probably is it. I think that he has achieved.
Speaker 2: This is the pinnacle really of any of his public
Speaker 2: profile that he's ever had. He sold millions of the
Speaker 2: real Anthony Fauci. He's been able to be on every
Speaker 2: podcast that would have him. He's become I wouldn't say
Speaker 2: he's a household name yet, but I mean he's definitely
Speaker 2: dramatically increased his profile and increased his profile specifically on
Speaker 2: visibility on issues that he cares.
Speaker 3: A lot about.
Speaker 2: So honestly, it's probably that's most people get into this business,
Speaker 2: the independent run business specifically to do that. Look at
Speaker 2: a guy like Cornell West. I mean Cornell West at
Speaker 2: this point what he switched from People's to Green and
Speaker 2: now he's independent like OURFK Junior.
Speaker 3: The reason is that Cornell West cares.
Speaker 2: Deeply about ending the war in Ukraine and about some
Speaker 2: racial justice issues which he uses his platform in his
Speaker 2: campaign to highlight. So from that point, I honestly do
Speaker 2: think it is a success really on both of their parts.
Speaker 2: They're also, though media really highlighting some of his siblings
Speaker 2: that we have here. Let's put this up there on
Speaker 2: the screen. They long have differed very much from RFK Junior,
Speaker 2: some of his literal own siblings. That Bobby might share
Speaker 2: the same name as our father, but he does not
Speaker 2: share the same values, vision, or judgment. Today's announcement is
Speaker 2: saddening for us. We denounce his candidacy. We believe it
Speaker 2: to be perilous for our country. Not the first time
Speaker 2: that they have done something like that.
Speaker 1: I think it takes I think it's this is very
Speaker 1: difficult for them to do though, you know, to go
Speaker 1: against their own brother in such a public way like
Speaker 1: I think that's a very difficult thing.
Speaker 3: For me personally.
Speaker 2: My sister could do anything. I'm just it's not gonna happen,
Speaker 2: and I would hope vice versa.
Speaker 3: I don't know. I think that's like a horrific and
Speaker 3: tremendous betrayal personally.
Speaker 2: However, they could do what they want. It's a complicated family.
Speaker 2: Who knows how close that they all are. This is
Speaker 2: irrespective of his ode views or whatever. I do think
Speaker 2: it is interesting that sea Pack is still scheduled to
Speaker 2: have him speak.
Speaker 3: Let's put this up there on the screen.
Speaker 2: They announced that RFK Junior, Vivik Ramaswami and quote other
Speaker 2: key influence and influencers will speak at the Sea Pack
Speaker 2: Investor Summit. Here's what mattch Slapp specifically had to say.
Speaker 3: Robert F.
Speaker 2: Kennedy Junior has a unique voice in advocating for the
Speaker 2: defunding of the weaponized bureaucracy ensuring the constitutional right of
Speaker 2: medical freedom. Kennedy has joined such an important event in
Speaker 2: a reflection of the splintering left wing coalition that has
Speaker 2: gone full woke Marxist to the point that traditional liberals
Speaker 2: don't feel welcome anymore. The breakup of the left wing
Speaker 2: coalition is occurring while the conservative coalition has the hopes
Speaker 2: of adding more blacks and Hispanics who reject gender and sanity,
Speaker 2: the effects of the terrible economy and the destruction of
Speaker 2: their once safer neighborhoods. Match Lab, chairman of Seapack stated, Now,
Speaker 2: the reason why I think that is so fascinating is
Speaker 2: that Seapack wants to have him on and honestly, they
Speaker 2: even announced it ahead of his independent run. Yeah, but
Speaker 2: the RNC is like, no, no, no, he's a traditional liberal.
Speaker 2: And I've said last time around that I specifically saw
Speaker 2: one MAGA influencer was like, I very honest, He's like
Speaker 2: I elevated RFA Junior because he was a useful cudgel
Speaker 2: against Biden. But now I think he's going to take
Speaker 2: more votes away from Trump. So I'm going to start
Speaker 2: elevating all the terrible like liberal beliefs that the guy has,
Speaker 2: and you know, I mean it's kind of honest. So
Speaker 2: I think that's the phase that we're in now. Oh,
Speaker 2: Republicans are going to at least very clearly Republicans who
Speaker 2: care about the election are about to turn a hardcore
Speaker 2: on RFA Junior.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it feels like this Seapack description and invitation whatever
Speaker 1: is from like a month ago the good Like, I
Speaker 1: think if this event was happening a month in the
Speaker 1: future and things invites had been sent out a month
Speaker 1: from now, I don't think he would be on the list.
Speaker 1: They certainly would not be like highlighting him and propping
Speaker 1: him up in this particular way because Seapac is very
Speaker 1: closely associated with like just the mainstream over the Republican
Speaker 1: Party and match Slap has been a big Trump booster
Speaker 1: and all of that stuff. So yeah, this feels like
Speaker 1: it's a little bit out of date. And I even
Speaker 1: saw in the post on Twitter underneath of this, all
Speaker 1: of the replies were like, he's just a liberal and
Speaker 1: he voted for Hillary and blah blah blah. So already
Speaker 1: the message has gone out and the view of RFK
Speaker 1: Junior among the Republican bases really shifted, which begs an
Speaker 1: important question, which is, you know, there is Donald Trump
Speaker 1: in particular has so much sway with the Republican base
Speaker 1: that now that he's very clearly turning on RFK. And
Speaker 1: we have a piece here, the one from Semaphore. Guys,
Speaker 1: this is D six gotten put D six up on this.
Speaker 1: They have a report that says Team Trump ready's attacks
Speaker 1: on RFK Junior. And I think we've got a quote
Speaker 1: here too that is pretty explicit how they're going to
Speaker 1: go about this. They say, we're going to be dropping
Speaker 1: napalm after napalm on his head, reminding the public of
Speaker 1: his very liberal views dating back to twenty twelve. We
Speaker 1: have a lot of stuff on him. So that's how
Speaker 1: Trump world is thinking about this, and I just have
Speaker 1: to think that the view of him among Republicans is
Speaker 1: set to totally flip, because you know, he was being
Speaker 1: he was. Tucker Carlson really liked him, Steve Binnon really
Speaker 1: liked him. He went on all of these like right
Speaker 1: leaning or right coded podcast and talked about the issues
Speaker 1: where they had a lot of agreement and didn't talk
Speaker 1: about any of the issues were, either now or in
Speaker 1: the past, you might have some disagreement. So I wonder
Speaker 1: if that's going to change how he's viewed among the
Speaker 1: electorate and who he's going to actually perform well with
Speaker 1: in terms of a general election. So this is why
Speaker 1: I've always been skeptical of the certainty that he would
Speaker 1: take more votes away from Trump than away from Biden, because,
Speaker 1: for one thing, Trump support is way more locked in,
Speaker 1: Biden's support is way more squishy. For another thing, he's Kennedy.
Speaker 1: The name is just really automatically associated with the Democratic Party.
Speaker 1: And for the last thing, Republicans are great when they
Speaker 1: decide you to like rip someone apart and you know,
Speaker 1: brand them as a trader and someone who's anathema to
Speaker 1: their base. And that's the process that he's entered right now.
Speaker 1: So in any case, it's still not clear to me
Speaker 1: how the Kennedy vote will shake down. And I also
Speaker 1: I saw a poll that recently had him in there
Speaker 1: in like a three way. He's getting a significant percentage
Speaker 1: of the vote, but in terms of when people actually
Speaker 1: go to the ballot box usually ends up being a
Speaker 1: lot less significant than what they're telling bolsters in advance.
Speaker 2: Yes, that's a great point. Some of the attacks that
Speaker 2: they're reading are very funny. Quote, we are going to
Speaker 2: be dropping napalm after napalm on his head, reminding the
Speaker 2: public of his liberal views dating back to twenty twelve.
Speaker 3: Quote, we have a lot of stuff on him.
Speaker 2: They previewed one Daily Caller story that was just public
Speaker 2: says RFK Juniors once said farmers were worse than beIN
Speaker 2: Loaden months after nine to eleven. To be clear, he
Speaker 2: was he was going to get that's context. Factory meat
Speaker 2: integrators are more threatening to democracy than osaam in Laten.
Speaker 3: He's a long time I mean, perstly I would not
Speaker 3: have said it.
Speaker 1: The Hillary vote is a tough one. Hillary, Yeah, Hillary
Speaker 1: is the endorsement and vote is a tough one. And
Speaker 1: you know, if you get that out widely to the
Speaker 1: Republican based and people who are like right leaning, how
Speaker 1: do you think they're going to feel?
Speaker 3: Also on Trump? I mean even on our show.
Speaker 2: I'd have to go back and to watch the clip,
Speaker 2: but I remember we asked him about Trump and he's like, no,
Speaker 2: I disagree with Trump on plenty of it.
Speaker 3: You're not allowed to see it. You're not allowed to say.
Speaker 2: That whenever you are somebody who's supposed to be appealing
Speaker 2: to Republican that said, you know, look, there's maybe an
Speaker 2: independent ish group of people that are out there that
Speaker 2: might vote for him. So I don't know. I mean,
Speaker 2: I think about so Oliver Anthony. I feel like that
Speaker 2: discourses just so many lifetimes ago. But I listened to
Speaker 2: his podcast with Joe Roe because I was like, I
Speaker 2: want to get it. I want to hear about this
Speaker 2: guy and what he has to say. And he was like, well,
Speaker 2: you know, Trump did a lot of bad things too,
Speaker 2: like Operation Warp Speed. And I was like, oh, interesting,
Speaker 2: So you got all over Anthony here. By his own admission,
Speaker 2: he's not a two party guy or whatever. But his
Speaker 2: only criticism he's got main Christism. He got right now
Speaker 2: of Trump. It was about Operation Warp Speed, the vaccine program. Yeah,
Speaker 2: And I was like, well, maybe there's people like him
Speaker 2: who vote for our page Junior.
Speaker 3: There's a decent percentage of people who are like those are.
Speaker 1: People who would probably if Push came to shop, he
Speaker 1: would vote for Trump.
Speaker 2: If Trump, So then I'm like, okay, then I definitely
Speaker 2: do see the Trump spoiler quote unquote element to all
Speaker 2: of this and a very legitimate constituency. I don't know
Speaker 2: how big the constituency would be, maybe six seven percent
Speaker 2: or whatever of the country, but it's not nothing. I mean,
Speaker 2: Ross Perot was able to get twenty. The question two
Speaker 2: comes to OURFA Junior's strategy. Parro was able to get
Speaker 2: a huge chunk of the vote because she said a
Speaker 2: ton of money and he was able to buy big spots.
Speaker 2: And media was also different at that time with a monoculture,
Speaker 2: so a lot of people were forced to watch it.
Speaker 2: So I'd be curious to see how he gets how
Speaker 2: he gets his actual message out there from now. For
Speaker 2: now it's been podcasting. I think that was actually successful
Speaker 2: to get him to the point where he is. But
Speaker 2: I do think he's got to He's got to take
Speaker 2: it to another level.
Speaker 1: I don't know what that looks like, though, I mean
Speaker 1: I do think the core, you know, I listened to
Speaker 1: some of his speech, read some of the transcript of
Speaker 1: his speech. The core of his primary message is very popular.
Speaker 1: It's anti corruption, and it's anti Biden and anti try
Speaker 1: it's anti the two parties, and that is very like
Speaker 1: if you look at the polls, it's very popular. There
Speaker 1: is a historic number of people who are interested in
Speaker 1: a third party, who are disgusted with the two choices
Speaker 1: that are on the ballot. And you know, do I
Speaker 1: think that there's enough of an opportunity that RFK Junior
Speaker 1: would be the next person. No, I don't think that.
Speaker 1: But if he's able to overcome some of the logistical hurdles,
Speaker 1: do I think that he has an opportunity to grab
Speaker 1: some portion of the electorate, some non significant, some not
Speaker 1: insignificant portion of the electric Yeah, I absolutely do, because
Speaker 1: I think the fact that you have him, you have
Speaker 1: Cornell West, you may have this like no labels corporate candidate,
Speaker 1: like neither one is slavish enough to Wall Street out
Speaker 1: there as well. I think these are all signs of
Speaker 1: just the level of dissatisfaction that you have in the
Speaker 1: population about really Trump versus Biden again, really like I
Speaker 1: don't want either of these dudes. Give me something else.
Speaker 1: And so while the you know, electoral landscape still is
Speaker 1: what it is in terms of first past the posts
Speaker 1: and no rank choice voting and the structural barriers to
Speaker 1: get on the ballot, I mean those are all still
Speaker 1: probably insurmountable obstacles to any valuable third party candidate. You
Speaker 1: know the fact that you have so many candidates who
Speaker 1: are well known and have some funding behind them jumping
Speaker 1: into this thing, I do think is a real sign
Speaker 1: of just how disgusted Americans are with their total lack
Speaker 1: of real democratic choice, either on the Republican or the Democratic.
Speaker 3: You're very right, Rassel, All right.
Speaker 1: Let's talk about a presidential contender. Would be somebody's looking
Speaker 1: his shops to get in and whenever Biden is done.
Speaker 1: That would be Gavin Newsome. Kyle Is coined the term
Speaker 1: greasy Gavin, which I think is actually I don't mind
Speaker 1: it not too shabby, allow, yes, not too shabby. And
Speaker 1: part of why it fits is because very hard to
Speaker 1: pin down what this dude actually thinks or believes outside
Speaker 1: of his very clear belief in his own abilities and ambition.
Speaker 1: He just issued a slew of vetos that are really
Speaker 1: quite something. Let me go through all of them. Can
Speaker 1: talk about him on the other side. This is not
Speaker 1: even all of them. There are a number of others,
Speaker 1: but these were some of the ones that stuck out
Speaker 1: to me. So put this up on the screen. You
Speaker 1: have a This is a Democratic legislator Alex Lee, who
Speaker 1: says he's extremely disappointed that the governor had vetoed a
Speaker 1: social Housing Act that would have built more social housing
Speaker 1: in certain specified areas in California. Of course, California estate
Speaker 1: with maybe the worst housing crisis in the entire country
Speaker 1: in terms of affordability. Gun put this next one up
Speaker 1: on the screen. This one might be a surprise to
Speaker 1: a lot of folks. California Governor Gavin Newsom veto to
Speaker 1: bill that would have decriminalized psychedelic mushrooms. And this is
Speaker 1: you know, similar legislation has actually passed here in DC past,
Speaker 1: an organ passed in a number of places. This is
Speaker 1: sort of the next front after marijuata legalization is legalizing
Speaker 1: psychedelics and also enabling research on psychedelics. There's a lot
Speaker 1: of evidence at this point that it can be beneficial
Speaker 1: for treatment. A lot of veterans have found a lot
Speaker 1: of comfort and ability to overcome PTSD using psychedelic mushrooms
Speaker 1: and other psychedelics. So vetoed that we also have put
Speaker 1: this next one up on the screen. Veto to bill
Speaker 1: to make free condoms available for high school students, citing
Speaker 1: cost would have been a few million dollars. California is
Speaker 1: facing a significant budget deficit, so that's why he's saying
Speaker 1: no free condoms for high school students. And then this
Speaker 1: last one we oh, this one we talked about before.
Speaker 1: This was significant in terms of being anti labor. Vetoed
Speaker 1: a bill that would ban driver lists big rigs. Labor
Speaker 1: very upset over this one. Silicon Valley very happy over
Speaker 1: this one. He had also vetoed that bill that would
Speaker 1: have provide unemployment insurance payments for striking workers. Hollywood very
Speaker 1: happy with him, and Hollywood donors very happy with him
Speaker 1: over that particular veto. And then the last one we
Speaker 1: have here is he vetoed a bill aimed at limiting
Speaker 1: the price of insulin. It would have capped insulin copays
Speaker 1: at thirty five dollars a month. I believe that it was.
Speaker 1: Now he has taken and this is part of what's
Speaker 1: so perplexing. He has taken some significant steps towards curbing
Speaker 1: insulin costs. They're actually spinning up a public insulin program
Speaker 1: in the state of California where they are actually going
Speaker 1: to manufacture insulin at low cost and compete directly with
Speaker 1: pharma in terms of insulin. So it's not like he's
Speaker 1: done nothing here. But Sagara, when I look at all
Speaker 1: of these things and when I try to piece together,
Speaker 1: like what is the overarching philosophy here, it really becomes
Speaker 1: very clear. It's follow the money, you know, if it
Speaker 1: goes against We've seen him before. He really stimied this
Speaker 1: Medicare for All push, which was something he had pretended
Speaker 1: like he was in favor of. Well guess what, the
Speaker 1: health insurers didn't like it, and so he had their back.
Speaker 1: They don't like this insulin thing. He has their back again,
Speaker 1: you know. On the labor stuff. Very clear. So the
Speaker 1: two biggest donor sets in California and really for the
Speaker 1: Democratic Party overall, are Silicon Valley in Hollywood. So he's
Speaker 1: not going to get crosswise of them with regards to labor.
Speaker 1: The condon one who knows I can get inside.
Speaker 3: Of his head one.
Speaker 1: But with even with psychedelics, you might think that when
Speaker 1: like what's going on there?
Speaker 3: I actually was curious about that one. I didn't know.
Speaker 1: You know what, This won't surprise you, like, yeah, pharma
Speaker 1: does not is not in favor of psychedelic legalization want
Speaker 1: because they want to. They want you to be on
Speaker 1: anti anxiety antidepressants for the rest of your life, and
Speaker 1: with psychedelics, according to the early research which has been conducted,
Speaker 1: you don't take it. You have you know, a few
Speaker 1: doses supervised, et cetera in a certain fashion, and then
Speaker 1: you actually may have a chance at real recovery. Not
Speaker 1: being on a pill for the rest of your life.
Speaker 1: That's not very profitable. So there's a big pharma angle
Speaker 1: here in terms of the hallucinogen that.
Speaker 2: Is extraordinarily dark. I'd heard it before, but this may
Speaker 2: be the most you know, stunning example of that. I
Speaker 2: just think all of this he's running for president. There's
Speaker 2: just no question. I think he's getting himself and gearing
Speaker 2: up for you know, the black Swan scenario should something
Speaker 2: happened to Biden or Biden drop out or something.
Speaker 3: Like yeah at the last minute, very unlikely to be clear.
Speaker 2: But he's gearing up and then he's just going to
Speaker 2: mount a campaign like this over the next four years.
Speaker 2: His Sean Hannity play incredibly smart. I thought it was
Speaker 2: with the smartest things that he's done so far, because
Speaker 2: it shows that he can go into enemy territory. Democrats
Speaker 2: love that, you know, like Boomer, Democratic voters like Gavin's
Speaker 2: given it back to Shawn Yeah. And then he's got
Speaker 2: the centrist donor play. He's the governor of the most
Speaker 2: populous state. Look, I hate to say, I think his
Speaker 2: power levels are like the highest I've ever been, despite COVID,
Speaker 2: despite so many awful things that the man has done,
Speaker 2: but the centrist push on crime, on homelessness, combined with donor,
Speaker 2: combined with he breeds.
Speaker 3: He can speak.
Speaker 2: He's not unpopular like Kamala Harris. This is a serious
Speaker 2: contender absolutely.
Speaker 1: So you can see very clearly the lane that he
Speaker 1: wants to occupy. It's kind of the Pete buddhachicch lane.
Speaker 1: It's like, I'm gonna be a donor, Darling. I'm gonna
Speaker 1: have all the money in the world, tech money, Silicon
Speaker 1: Valley money, tech money and Silicon Valley money in this thing,
Speaker 1: Hollywood money, all the money in the Democratic Party. I'm
Speaker 1: going to make sure those donors absolutely love me. And
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be this like resistance Darling, because this is
Speaker 1: what Pete always did. I'm gonna go on Fox News,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna mix it up. I have endless confidence in
Speaker 1: my ability to joust with Rohnda Santis or Sean Hannity
Speaker 1: or whoever you put in front of me, and they
Speaker 1: both are very like verbally skilled in those arenas. I
Speaker 1: don't think there's any denying it. And so I'm going
Speaker 1: to have the vibes of being this like fierce resistance
Speaker 1: fighter while having this very like status quo donor friendly
Speaker 1: traditional approach. Listen, I hate it, but a lot of
Speaker 1: Democratic voters have really found a compelling The media absolutely
Speaker 1: eats it up, and so you know, I hate to
Speaker 1: say it, but I do think it's a like savvy
Speaker 1: play in terms of how he's positioning himself likely for
Speaker 1: twenty twenty eight. But if something crazy happened twenty twenty.
Speaker 3: That's the thing.
Speaker 2: People are like, oh, are you saying you like Evan.
Speaker 2: I'm not saying that at all. I don't like Avin Newsom.
Speaker 2: I can't say Gavin Newsom, but I, as you said, Chrystl,
Speaker 2: I understand the electorate. This is you got to put
Speaker 2: it on your analysis hat and look at candidates who
Speaker 2: are successful and the median voter, the median Democratic voter
Speaker 2: in this country is a fifty five.
Speaker 3: Year old white guy with no college degree.
Speaker 2: Yeah, those people love Gavin. I mean, yeah, it's you
Speaker 2: got to understand their media consumption, where they're coming from,
Speaker 2: what they actually get animated by when it comes to policy,
Speaker 2: like your Thanksgiving table is a far better barometer of
Speaker 2: what actual voters and people think about politics and the
Speaker 2: type of people who they engage with on that level,
Speaker 2: and for that, Gavin is absolutely the best position out
Speaker 2: of any person in the field for that category.
Speaker 1: Well, here's the other thing, is he's done enough on
Speaker 1: the like these are all betrayals of progressives obviously, and
Speaker 1: of labor and love veterans and all kinds of people.
Speaker 1: But he's done enough on the other side of a
Speaker 1: coin to when he wants to talk like he's a progressive.
Speaker 3: Good point. Twenty dollars a twenty dollars wage.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, fast Fee signed a bill that gave all
Speaker 1: fast food workers at large chains twenty dollars an hour
Speaker 1: in the state of California. And you know they have
Speaker 1: really I think California may have the lowest uninsured rate
Speaker 1: in the country now. So it's not like he's made
Speaker 1: no progress in terms of health insurance coverage. The insolent
Speaker 1: play is another example here. The push towards the electric
Speaker 1: vehicles another example. So there are things that are that
Speaker 1: are real that he can point to when he wants
Speaker 1: a position himself as a progressive. But when it comes
Speaker 1: down to key concerns for his base of donors, he's
Speaker 1: never going to get crosswise with them. All right. So
Speaker 1: we've got another big story that just broke yesterday, which
Speaker 1: is that, let's go and put this up on the screen.
Speaker 1: Joe Biden, it appears, has just been interviewed by Special
Speaker 1: Counsel Robert Herr over that classified documents probe. This happened
Speaker 1: over the course of two days. Here's the statement from
Speaker 1: the White House Counsel's Office spokesperson person Ian Sam's the
Speaker 1: President has been interviewed as part of the investigation being
Speaker 1: led by Special Counsel Robert Hurr. The voluntary interview was
Speaker 1: conducted the White House over two days Sunday and Monday,
Speaker 1: and concluded Monday. As we have said from the beginning,
Speaker 1: President in White House are cooperating with investigation as it
Speaker 1: has been appropriate. We provided relevant updates publicly, blah blah blah.
Speaker 1: We'd prefer other questions as the Justice Department at this time.
Speaker 1: So as a reminder, you guys probably know there were
Speaker 1: a bunch of classified documents after the whole Trump, FBI,
Speaker 1: mar A Lago Rate, etc. Then they found or revealed
Speaker 1: that they had found a bunch of classified documents in
Speaker 1: Joe Biden's home, in particular in his garage, I think,
Speaker 1: also at an office that he had here in DC
Speaker 1: as part of one of his like think tank centers
Speaker 1: that he put his name on, and quite a number
Speaker 1: of documents. We don't know a whole lot about what
Speaker 1: they contained. One thing that you know, they would point
Speaker 1: to and I think is accurate. That's different is there
Speaker 1: doesn't appear to have been the level of obstruction and
Speaker 1: trying to hide these documents and fighting with the you know,
Speaker 1: with the folks who were trying to bring them back
Speaker 1: when they were subpoenaed as in the Trump instance. However,
Speaker 1: this is obviously not great for him, and a reminder
Speaker 1: that you know, this is an ongoing investigation and listen,
Speaker 1: if we care about how classified documents are handled, then
Speaker 1: you got to care about him, whether it's a Democrat
Speaker 1: or Republican who is mishandling them.
Speaker 2: And also, you know, this should be a bit of
Speaker 2: a scandal because there was a lot of questions or
Speaker 2: where the hell is Biden?
Speaker 3: What is he doing?
Speaker 2: Nobody knows where the hell he has been over the
Speaker 2: last two days. You know, during the Israel it is typical,
Speaker 2: but it was even more than normal. Like, for example,
Speaker 2: on the day of the attack on Israel, they were
Speaker 2: having like a White House barbecue, which was the only
Speaker 2: publicly scheduled thing.
Speaker 3: All they did was put out written statements. He appeared
Speaker 3: on camera.
Speaker 2: Then later on the next day, yesterday, the White House
Speaker 2: had no publicly scheduled events, and then the statement drops
Speaker 2: in the middle of the night, of course, during a
Speaker 2: major international crisis where the President sat for almost two
Speaker 2: whole days with this investigator. So clearly they're trying to
Speaker 2: bury it. And I think you've got very convenient timing
Speaker 2: in terms of what's going on with Israel, because it
Speaker 2: is a reminder that it turns out that all of
Speaker 2: these guys think they are above the law. They really
Speaker 2: believe that the classified documents are theirs. It's like a
Speaker 2: height of narcissism. And I don't particularly care because a
Speaker 2: lot of these are probably out of date or all
Speaker 2: of that.
Speaker 3: It's just more the idea.
Speaker 2: Like in one case with the Biden docs, they're stored
Speaker 2: in his garage where he keeps his Corvette, which is
Speaker 2: why they're safe. But just to give you an idea
Speaker 2: of how personal he thought, they were intermingled with files
Speaker 2: that described like his son's funeral, right, It's like that's
Speaker 2: the level of person of how personal that they felt
Speaker 2: that these documents were theirs and they're not. It just
Speaker 2: shows the staff and them and how they really believe
Speaker 2: that they can do whatever they want. There are so
Speaker 2: many things in which the president of vice presidents, some
Speaker 2: of these people, they really believe that they're kings.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because remember that Mike Pence the same.
Speaker 3: Thing, you know.
Speaker 2: It's and oh it turns that Jimmy Carter did the
Speaker 2: same thing, you know. And it's just so many of
Speaker 2: these people Hillary Hillary, Oh that's all the Hillary wok.
Speaker 2: It's been a long time, but that one is so
Speaker 2: much worse than anyone else. Gets to the whole like
Speaker 2: I'm special, I'm the most important personal.
Speaker 1: I think she should have been charged. I don't think
Speaker 1: hers is worse than Trump though, just in terms of
Speaker 1: the level of classification that he held, and now the
Speaker 1: reports that he was like you know, blabandos trying to
Speaker 1: sell like what was missile systems to Australian black volts
Speaker 1: clear information.
Speaker 2: The whole Australian billionaire thing that I'm not to say
Speaker 2: it's been totally debunked, but some of the reporting questions
Speaker 2: around that, I'm just saying in terms of that, I'm
Speaker 2: not denying I agree with you had bad classified information.
Speaker 1: They had very highly classified information. And then when they
Speaker 1: were like you need to give this back, he was like,
Speaker 1: what information? And then he's secretly out allegedly blah blah blah.
Speaker 1: He's telling his staff and his maintenance workers to move
Speaker 1: boxes around to hide the stuff. We're talking and we're
Speaker 1: talking about like, you know, not the not the type
Speaker 1: of thing that's like bullshit classified, which much of classified
Speaker 1: information is bullshit classified. We're talking about stuff that is like, Okay,
Speaker 1: if you're going to have anything be secret, this should
Speaker 1: be probably secret. So I do think his is an
Speaker 1: order of magnitude different than the she was secretary of State.
Speaker 3: Don't forget about the bleep.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but there was nothing like that was that that
Speaker 1: we know of. That's fair that we now listen again,
Speaker 1: I think she should have been charged. So I'm in
Speaker 1: favor of indictments all around. That's my state of position.
Speaker 1: Next piece we wanted to bring you here is there's
Speaker 1: an interesting rift that has been revealed or exacerbated or
Speaker 1: underscored by what's going on with Israel and Gaza right
Speaker 1: now within the Democratic Party. And yesterday we talked to
Speaker 1: you about the numbers in terms of Gallup and how
Speaker 1: much there has been a shift within the Democratic base
Speaker 1: that is reflected by a few Democratic members of Congress
Speaker 1: in terms of who their sympathies were taking this particular
Speaker 1: situation out of it, who with whom their sympathies lie
Speaker 1: more in the conflict between Israel and Palestine. You now
Speaker 1: have a majority of Democrats who say their sympathies are
Speaker 1: more with the Palestinians than they are with Israel. That
Speaker 1: is a dramatic shift over the past decade or so.
Speaker 1: It's a new development. I think it's led largely by
Speaker 1: young people who have a very different view of this
Speaker 1: conflict than their parents do, even you know, Democratic parents.
Speaker 1: As I said, it's reflected in a few of the
Speaker 1: younger squad members who have been elected Corey bush Rashida
Speaker 1: talib ilhan Omar and others at various moments depending on
Speaker 1: how they're feeling. And so you have also had this
Speaker 1: schism really open up over on the Democratic Party's party
Speaker 1: organ media, which is MSNBC. So you had the head
Speaker 1: of the ADL, the Anti Defamation League, go on Morning
Speaker 1: Joe and really blast the network's coverage of this current
Speaker 1: Israel Gaza conflict in quite unsparing terms. Let's take a
Speaker 1: listen to what he had to say.
Speaker 11: So, while I am sad and cope trying to cope,
Speaker 11: I'll be honest, I am angry. I am angry with
Speaker 11: the world that allowed the dehumanization of Israelis and sanitized
Speaker 11: the terrorism of I must say, I love this show,
Speaker 11: and I love this network, but I've got to ask
Speaker 11: who is writing the scripts Hamas the people who did this.
Speaker 11: They are not fighters, Jonathan, They are not militants, and
Speaker 11: I'm looking right at the camera. They are terrorists. It
Speaker 11: is a barbarian who rapes and brutalizes women, who tear
Speaker 11: kills children in front of their parents, and then brings
Speaker 11: them over to Gaza, who literally we've heard all these
Speaker 11: reports and we know these aren't just reports. These were
Speaker 11: filmed gleefully by the barbarians who committed these grotesque crimes them.
Speaker 11: So I just think, like, guys, get this story right,
Speaker 11: and all these pictures of like you know, missiles or
Speaker 11: the rubble in Gaza. Please talk to the Israeli mother
Speaker 11: and fathers who lost their children, talk to the grandchildren
Speaker 11: whose grandparents were seized as hostages, and please stop calling
Speaker 11: this a retaliation.
Speaker 1: So there's a lot I could say about that. I'm
Speaker 1: going to hold off for a moment because based on
Speaker 1: his commentary, you would think that MSNBC was like go Hamas, yes, right,
Speaker 1: yay for the murdered Israelis, that there was no images
Speaker 1: of the Israeli bloodshed, no compassions for the Israeli citizens.
Speaker 1: And what he's really alluding to here, even though he
Speaker 1: doesn't come out and name names, is three anchors in particular,
Speaker 1: Amon Moyldan, Mehdi Hassan and Ali Felshi, all of which
Speaker 1: have international backgrounds, many of whom have covered this conflict
Speaker 1: on the ground for a long time or have roots
Speaker 1: directly in the region. So I want to play for
Speaker 1: you a little bit of the commentary that he's reacting
Speaker 1: to to show you I think the distance between how
Speaker 1: he's traying it as being like Hammas talking points versus
Speaker 1: how they were actually speaking about the conflict let's take
Speaker 1: a listen to.
Speaker 2: Know a little of that.
Speaker 12: When we talk about Gaza in the West. For a
Speaker 12: lot of people, it's very easy to conflate Hamas, which
Speaker 12: is a militant group that carries out acts of vicious terror,
Speaker 12: as they did this weekend, with Gaza, which is a
Speaker 12: place that contains two point two million people Alex, half
Speaker 12: of them children. Half of the two point two million
Speaker 12: people are children, and it's one of the most densely
Speaker 12: populated places on planet Earth. You've got two point two
Speaker 12: million people crowded into one hundred and forty one square miles,
Speaker 12: So they automatically become the victims of Israeli airstructs because
Speaker 12: it's so crowded, because it's so densely populated, and it's
Speaker 12: basically like living Alex in an open air prison.
Speaker 13: Cognition of anything that has been going on, let alone,
Speaker 13: the only thing Americans are worried about these days are
Speaker 13: these so called judicial reforms going on in Israel, which
Speaker 13: have led to hundreds of thousands of people protesting on
Speaker 13: the street. But lots of Palestinians have said to me, boy,
Speaker 13: they wish that the those same Israelis who were out
Speaker 13: there protesting the so called judicial reforms would be protesting
Speaker 13: Israel's inhumane treatment of the Palestinians who live under Israeli occupation.
Speaker 7: But what is the objective of Israel invading the Gaza strip?
Speaker 4: Right?
Speaker 7: Because I emphasized this point for those of us who
Speaker 7: have been following this conflict for years, Israel has already
Speaker 7: assassinated and killed the most senior Hames militant officials. They
Speaker 7: have killed the spiritual leader of Hamas, They've arrested dozens
Speaker 7: of Hamasa. They can achieve that, they can achieve that
Speaker 7: they have achieved, that they've done that, They've done that,
Speaker 7: And my point is what you're going to see, certainly
Speaker 7: within Israel's security apparatus is a debate. Whether that is
Speaker 7: public or transparent is not going to be as clear cut.
Speaker 7: But Israeli military officials that I've spoken to over the
Speaker 7: years have debated whether or not the siege, the blockade
Speaker 7: was achieving israel strategic objective of trying to bring calm
Speaker 7: and quiet to the southern borders.
Speaker 1: Every one of those individuals acknowledged, and Mettie I've listened
Speaker 1: to a lot of his commentary. He's very clear that
Speaker 1: what Hammas did is an atrocity, It's a war crime.
Speaker 1: He's just also trying to acknowledge the war crimes that
Speaker 1: Israel's committing and the broader context, as we've tried to
Speaker 1: do very carefully here as well. And so when I
Speaker 1: hear the ADL dude talking about how, you know, where
Speaker 1: did this dehumanization of Israelis come from? It doesn't seem
Speaker 1: to me that Israelis are being dehumanized. It seems to
Speaker 1: me what he's upset about is Palestinians being humanized. And
Speaker 1: so when he says he said, quote, get the story right,
Speaker 1: and he was very upset about images of rubble in Gaza, Well,
Speaker 1: how are you going to tell the accurate story if
Speaker 1: you're not showing the images of the rubble in Gaza
Speaker 1: as you were, of course also highlighting and acknowledging and
Speaker 1: empathizing with the pain, suffering, death and carnage that was
Speaker 1: inflicted on the Israeli citizen.
Speaker 3: It's funny, Chris.
Speaker 2: You know, I get a lot of messages people are like,
Speaker 2: when are you going to speak up for Israel? And
Speaker 2: I'm like, I didn't know that I had to. I'm
Speaker 2: a citizen of the United States. I feel very bad
Speaker 2: and horrible. I've been to Israel, I spent a lot
Speaker 2: of time there. I have friends in the IDF. I
Speaker 2: have nothing but sympathy for so many of the people
Speaker 2: who are killed there. But as I said on yesterday's show,
Speaker 2: I also have a lot of good friends who are Palestinian,
Speaker 2: and so I actually consider it a blessing that I
Speaker 2: know people who are actually on both sides. Some of
Speaker 2: these people hate each other, they've never even met before.
Speaker 2: But my life has taken me around the world, and
Speaker 2: I've just learned through a lot of these conflicts. Black
Speaker 2: and white thinking will get to you nowhere saying oh,
Speaker 2: you have to just unequivocally, you know, back one side.
Speaker 2: I don't operate that way, not with Russia and Ukraine,
Speaker 2: not even when it's unpopular. You don't operate that way either.
Speaker 2: That's just not what we do here. Unfortunately a lot
Speaker 2: of our media that's how that's how they want to
Speaker 2: portray everything. And listen, you were being used if you
Speaker 2: want that, because I'm watching you know, all of this
Speaker 2: march towards Oh. The US has got a back up,
Speaker 2: the US carrier Strack Group has got to get involved
Speaker 2: in Gaza that is a nightmare. Now we're going to
Speaker 2: get into a war with Iran. There are millions of
Speaker 2: people who live in Iran. I lost people in the
Speaker 2: war in Iraq, you know, I mean known people who
Speaker 2: died in so many of these conflicts. This is the
Speaker 2: last thing that we need and the scars of Iraq
Speaker 2: on media. That's why I'm in this job today. I
Speaker 2: don't subscribe to black and white narratives any of you,
Speaker 2: because I think both of us are sitting here very
Speaker 2: much for that reason of watching people get killed, slaughtered,
Speaker 2: loose limbs and all that ultimately really for nothing. And
Speaker 2: it's very difficult, you know, to sit and to watch
Speaker 2: like the same beat and the war drum happen when
Speaker 2: we don't have to be that way.
Speaker 3: So we will never cover conflict that way. And that's
Speaker 3: effectively what Jonathan and Greenblad is a one hundred.
Speaker 1: Percent I mean, to me, the most revealing thing that
Speaker 1: he said is get the story right. And I think
Speaker 1: it's really and he's mad about, oh, how dare you
Speaker 1: show the suffering in Gaza? How dare you talk about
Speaker 1: anything else that's going on except for the things I
Speaker 1: want you to talk about, Because he wants this to
Speaker 1: be as disnified a narrative as the Russia Ukraine narrative is.
Speaker 1: And that's what Cablins does. I mean, even putting aside
Speaker 1: the extreme and understandable emotion around blood, death, war, carnage, etc.
Speaker 1: This is what they do with Democrats and republic This
Speaker 1: is the good guys. This is the bad guys. Let
Speaker 1: me give you the Disney version of American politics. That's
Speaker 1: all they know how to do, that's all their formats
Speaker 1: are set up to do. And so the fact that
Speaker 1: you have a few voices who happen on this particular
Speaker 1: issue to have personal experience, have reported on it for
Speaker 1: a long time. You know, if you listen to what
Speaker 1: Aiman said, it was very thoughtful. He clearly has deep
Speaker 1: knowledge about the history in the region, Compassion on both
Speaker 1: sides of the issue, no doubt about it. And it's
Speaker 1: a war on any kind of nuance, No, you are
Speaker 1: not allowed. You can only choose one side to reflect
Speaker 1: their humanity.
Speaker 2: That's it.
Speaker 1: And so I do think, even as the media is
Speaker 1: still overwhelmingly one sided on this issue, the fact that
Speaker 1: you have any sort of nuance in the New York Times,
Speaker 1: any sort of nuanced CNN had a few interviews that were,
Speaker 1: you know, with actual Palestinian voices that you have a
Speaker 1: few anchors on MSNBC who are able to articulate a
Speaker 1: different view. They see this as a real threat to
Speaker 1: you know, the lack hold that they've had bipartisan locke
Speaker 1: that they've had on American politics for you know, for
Speaker 1: years and years and years and years and years.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I just you know, it's like thinking about
Speaker 2: how he's get the story right and all of that.
Speaker 2: That is pure propaganda all of us have. And what's
Speaker 2: crazy to me is some of the people who are
Speaker 2: buying into this are the exact ones who are screaming
Speaker 2: about oh or being propaganda guys about Ukraine. It's like
Speaker 2: what you think is only about Ukraine, It's about everything people.
Speaker 3: That's why you got to.
Speaker 2: Actually wake up being asked, like what you're being used
Speaker 2: in propagandized towards.
Speaker 1: They want the Disney version on this one.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Iraq was not Disney and we all found that
Speaker 2: out the hard way. Ukraine's not Disney either. We're finding
Speaker 2: that out the hard way right now. Afghanistan wasn't Disney.
Speaker 2: You know, it wasn't just all about liberating girls' schools.
Speaker 2: It wasn't so simple, and it wasn't so easy. It's like,
Speaker 2: I don't know, it's Syria, same one. It's like, yeah,
Speaker 2: we watched the horror of Aleppo and then we found
Speaker 2: out that the guy's fighting on the other side of
Speaker 2: freaking out Kaieda. It's like, what do you do? That's
Speaker 2: what That's what the actual conflict is. And until you
Speaker 2: understand that that, you're really not going to get anywhere.
Speaker 2: But you know, in some ways it's actually helpful because
Speaker 2: it just means that only places like us who can't
Speaker 2: get muzzled for saying what we actually think, are going
Speaker 2: to be able to prosper and survive in this. However,
Speaker 2: I do think it's unfortunate, you know, that people take
Speaker 2: margin he's such a partisan Cretan too, because this is
Speaker 2: all based on his ideology of censorship, of what he
Speaker 2: was doing with Twitter about you know, leveraging and making
Speaker 2: sure that any criticism of Israel in the past is
Speaker 2: conflated directly with anti Semitism, using his organization effectively as
Speaker 2: an enforcer for like the you know, like liberal elite
Speaker 2: in the country, and.
Speaker 3: That that's why they do it.
Speaker 2: They do it for this reason, because it works because
Speaker 2: you and you know this some the sting of that
Speaker 2: criticism being felt high up, you know within MSNBC.
Speaker 3: You know it's going to have an impact.
Speaker 2: You'd be lying these people uh Medi and Aiman and
Speaker 2: all these people, they would be lying if they said
Speaker 2: that that wouldn't have an impact on the way they
Speaker 2: have to think about that when they go on.
Speaker 1: It's human. Even if I would not be surprised.
Speaker 3: I'm saying they will do anything.
Speaker 1: I have no inside knowledge to what sort of discussions
Speaker 1: have happened at Amason to be stealing. Make that clear.
Speaker 1: Would I be surprised if there was a direct talking
Speaker 1: to No, But does there even have to be a
Speaker 1: direct talk No, absolutely not. You think they didn't see
Speaker 1: that segment. Of course they saw that segment, and they
Speaker 1: know that there is a lot of there is a
Speaker 1: lot of pressure to conform. They know the things they're
Speaker 1: supposed to say, they know the things that they're supposed
Speaker 1: to highlight, and it's very difficult if you're in an
Speaker 1: organization over time not to at least capitulate to that
Speaker 1: in some respect. So respect to them for you know,
Speaker 1: daring to say that Gazin's also are human beings, and
Speaker 1: that you know this conflict didn't just start four days ago,
Speaker 1: that there's a broader context that doesn't justify murder of
Speaker 1: Israeli citizens. Literally, no one on MSNBC is saying that
Speaker 1: at all. I have not seen that whatsoever. They're not
Speaker 1: justifying Israeli death. But if you want to actually understand viewers,
Speaker 1: help viewers understand what's happening here, you have to give
Speaker 1: the history you have to people. Help people understand where
Speaker 1: Hamas came from and how they gained power and why
Speaker 1: they're in this position to start with, and the way
Speaker 1: that Natan Yaha's we talked to today found them to
Speaker 1: be a useful foil and bolstered them, and how the
Speaker 1: US was also complicit in helping to bring them to
Speaker 1: power and all of that, and understanding that you know
Speaker 1: the lives of people within Gaza. If you're going to
Speaker 1: tell complete story, you got to tell complete story, not
Speaker 1: quote unquote get the story right as approved by the ADL.
Speaker 3: Well there you go.
Speaker 2: I guess we can all agree. At least the ADL
Speaker 2: is bad for a long time. My Disney version, thank
Speaker 2: you for Yeah, that's my Disney thank you for sticking
Speaker 2: with us. We really appreciate it.
Speaker 3: It was a tough show. We try our best.
Speaker 1: We just stacked it.
Speaker 2: We've got We had a lot of important Israel developments.
Speaker 2: We also had a lot of important domestic developments. We'll
Speaker 2: see and continue to track everything. We've got counterpoints for
Speaker 2: everybody tomorrow. If anything breaking happens in the meantime, you
Speaker 2: can probably expect something. We will remain on in our
Speaker 2: crew and everybody's been working around the clock. Thank you
Speaker 2: everybody who has been supporting us, and we will see
Speaker 2: you all on Thursday.
Speaker 1: See you guys Thursday.