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Speaker 2: let's get to the showing. Good morning everybody, it's Tuesday.

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Speaker 2: We have another similar show to yesterday. What do we have, Crystal,

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Speaker 2: indeed we do.

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Speaker 1: We're going to bring you all the latest of what

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Speaker 1: broke overnight in that war between Israel and Hamas. A

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Speaker 1: lot going on there, a lot of developments on our

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Speaker 1: Also an update on just how wild some of the

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Speaker 1: misinformation has been. I mean, you always have problems of

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Speaker 1: things that are floating around, videos that are floating around

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Speaker 1: as widespread as it has been in this particular conflict.

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Speaker 1: That we'll give you some real extraordinary examples there. There's

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Speaker 1: also a luck going on here too, though we've got

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Speaker 1: updates in terms of that Republican House speaker fight. The

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Speaker 1: There seems to be a complete stalemate. Kevin McCarthy throwing

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Speaker 1: We also have RFK Junior making it official yesterday he

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Speaker 1: is leaving the Democratic primary running as an independent. Trump

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Speaker 1: people come in at him guns blazing, knives out very

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Speaker 1: few weeks ago. So bringing that Governor k Newsom in

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Speaker 1: California making some very interesting vetos on psychedelics, on condoms,

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Speaker 1: on insulin. Got some details for you there. We also

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Speaker 1: this just broke yesterday. Apparently the current president was just

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Speaker 1: And we've got a look at an interesting divide that

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Speaker 1: has opened up over on MSNBC over Israel and Palestine.

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Speaker 1: Quite heated over there, so we'll bring you some of

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Speaker 1: latest on the ground unfolding in Israel and in Palestine.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's right.

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Speaker 2: So in terms of the latest developments, we can begin

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Speaker 2: starting to play some of this. We've compiled some footage

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Speaker 2: of what happened in the last twenty four hours. We're

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Speaker 2: beginning here with Israeli strikes on Gaza in the Gaza Strip,

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Speaker 2: Israel saying they've struck nearly a thousand targets. Some of

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Speaker 2: this footage actually released, this one specifically by the IDF themselves,

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Speaker 2: This also comes as a heated battle continues inside of Israel.

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Speaker 2: They still have not one hundred percent taken charge of

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Speaker 2: and it's still a horrific failure. What we're watching in

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Speaker 2: We now have similar footage of Clarissa Ward from CNN

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Speaker 3: And I think what this footage really.

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Speaker 2: Displays is something we tried to highlight yesterday, which you know,

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Speaker 2: It's almost actually sotted akin to where we live right

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Speaker 2: And all of that also comes on the heels of

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Speaker 3: Let's take a listen to what he said.

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Speaker 4: Israel is at war. We didn't want this war. It

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Speaker 4: But though Israel didn't start this war, Israel will finish it.

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Speaker 4: Once the Jewish people were stateless, once the Jewish people

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Speaker 4: Hamaster is bound burned and executed children. They are savages.

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Speaker 4: Hamas is Isis. And just as the forces of civilization

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Speaker 2: Prime Minister Natnahu making that statement shortly after a development

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Speaker 2: Hamas in which they stated that for every air strike

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Speaker 5: Over the past few hours, we suffered as a result

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Speaker 5: residential buildings. Therefore, we decided to put an end to this.

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Speaker 5: From this moment on, we announced that any targeting of

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Speaker 5: by executing one of the hostages in our custody, and

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Speaker 5: we will be forced to broadcast this execution. We regret

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Speaker 2: And it also comes on the heels of a major

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Speaker 2: Quote directly, we have to go in, the Israeli said.

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Speaker 2: Crystal as Israel actually mobilized another sixty thousand active reservists

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Speaker 2: presumably seeing is that Israel believes that it needs to

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Speaker 2: least there have been some limited diplomatic communications. The Katari government,

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Speaker 2: They are the main go between right now with the West.

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Speaker 2: But that's really where the military situation stands right now.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we're also continue to learn more horrific details about

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Speaker 1: an urgent need. Let me just read you a little

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Speaker 1: This we're seriously compounding the already dire human rights and

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Speaker 1: The imposition of sieges that endanger the lives of civilians

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Speaker 1: collective punishment. So it's a horrific situation. And you know,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you're right, And you know, one of the nightmares

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Speaker 3: The world a lot of the world right now is

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Speaker 2: A lot of the world is horrified by the attacks,

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Speaker 2: But it's a massive failure. I mean massive. We saw

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Speaker 1: There continue to be a lot of questions about that

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Speaker 1: is coming and you literally did nothing.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. I think it's stunning too, because they specifically say

437
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Speaker 2: that Netta Nya, who told this, is one of those

438
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Speaker 2: where look, it's either true or it's not, and it

439
00:23:46,000 --> 00:23:49,280
Speaker 2: actually should be pretty easy to verify. I personally have

440
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Speaker 2: a decent amount of trust the Israeli media, as you

441
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Speaker 2: can see here, is being incredibly critical of Neta Nyah,

442
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Speaker 2: who both the Times of Israel and Herats are out

443
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Speaker 2: for blood in their response, and they're like, look, we

444
00:24:01,080 --> 00:24:04,520
Speaker 2: have here an Egyptian official who tells us directly that

445
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Speaker 2: the intelligence minister who they name, personally called you ten before,

446
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Speaker 2: days before the attack, and the Egyptian officials say that

447
00:24:12,520 --> 00:24:17,160
Speaker 2: Netanyahu's response quote told the minister the military was submerged

448
00:24:17,200 --> 00:24:20,840
Speaker 2: in troubles in the West Bank directly in his response

449
00:24:21,160 --> 00:24:23,199
Speaker 2: in that phone call ten days before.

450
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Speaker 3: Records are kept they have the phone call or not.

451
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Speaker 2: Also, as we all found out during the Trump era,

452
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Speaker 2: there are contemporary transcripts. They're kept on all of this.

453
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Speaker 2: So if you're in the Israeli government, you should let

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Speaker 2: somebody know. Let's let one of these grave great journalists

455
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Speaker 2: in the Times of Israel Haratz know if that is

456
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Speaker 2: true or not. What they also point out though, is

457
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Speaker 2: that the Egyptian intelligence were One of the reasons why

458
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Speaker 2: they would of course have great knowledge is not only

459
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Speaker 2: do they participate in the blockade, they control one of

460
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Speaker 2: those major land crossings that Gazin's you know, ostensibly might

461
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Speaker 2: be able to use. And there's always been allegations that

462
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Speaker 2: one of the major pathways of weapons into Gaza through

463
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Speaker 2: these you know, Egyptian tunnels, of which the Egyptian government

464
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Speaker 2: either controls or allows or disallows based upon their whims

465
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Speaker 2: and whatever is good for their domestic situation. So they

466
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Speaker 2: would have great visibility into what is going on inside

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Speaker 2: of Gaza. And this is obviously, you know, one of

468
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Speaker 2: the most authoritarian countries on earth currently Egypt under military dictatorship.

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Speaker 2: So I personally would have taken this very seriously if

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Speaker 2: something like this were to emerge. So Israelis also should

471
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Speaker 2: be outraged at this. It also is interesting in terms

472
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Speaker 2: of the response to the attack. The chief military spokesperson,

473
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Speaker 2: he said that the army does owe the publican explanation,

474
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Speaker 2: but he said now is not the time. Quote, first

475
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Speaker 2: we fight, then we investigate.

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Speaker 1: True.

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Speaker 2: However, you know, it's one of those where a lot

478
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Speaker 2: of questions still need to be asked here about how

479
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Speaker 2: this came to be. And as I alluded to Haretz,

480
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Speaker 2: as we characterize yesterday kind of as the New York

481
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Speaker 2: Times of Israel continues to highlight some of the major

482
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Speaker 2: failures of the Netanyahu government that could have led to

483
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Speaker 2: this one of these, let's put this up there on

484
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Speaker 2: the screen which they put out yesterday. Quote an actual

485
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Speaker 2: quote from Netagnyah who openly in March of twenty nineteen,

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Speaker 2: anyone who wants to thwart the establishment of a Palestinian

487
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Speaker 2: state has to support bolstering Hamas and transferring money to Hamas.

488
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Speaker 2: Nettayah who told the Likud Party Kanesset members in March

489
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Speaker 2: of twenty nineteen, this is part of our strategy. And

490
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Speaker 2: this was actually from a column that was written by

491
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Speaker 2: an Israeli giddy whites and he just said another concept implodes,

492
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Speaker 2: Israel can't be managed by a criminal defendant.

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Speaker 3: Quote.

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Speaker 2: A direct line now runs between judicial overhaul and the

495
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Speaker 2: Gaza war. Netanyahu should ameliate, begging and go. We cannot

496
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Speaker 2: expect introspection from him. The future inquiry must investigate how

497
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Speaker 2: much time the Prime Minister has devoted to reform and

498
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Speaker 2: how much listening to the military leadership, and they specifically

499
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Speaker 2: highlight his political strategy about how to come back to power,

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Speaker 2: tearing the country apart by basically he really is a

501
00:27:02,240 --> 00:27:05,119
Speaker 2: lot like Trump, except and smarter. In my opinion, he

502
00:27:05,160 --> 00:27:09,040
Speaker 2: basically is in it for survival, willing to do whatever

503
00:27:09,080 --> 00:27:13,000
Speaker 2: it takes to remain in power, doesn't care about democratic

504
00:27:13,080 --> 00:27:15,719
Speaker 2: norms or any of this, will ally himself with anyone

505
00:27:15,800 --> 00:27:18,199
Speaker 2: as long as they are on his side. And the

506
00:27:18,240 --> 00:27:21,760
Speaker 2: political expediency and all of that ripped the country apart,

507
00:27:21,840 --> 00:27:25,520
Speaker 2: not only domestically but their intelligence community. And it's within

508
00:27:25,600 --> 00:27:28,640
Speaker 2: that vacuum of chaos that this attack happened. And now

509
00:27:28,880 --> 00:27:31,960
Speaker 2: Israel finds itself in a battle that they have not

510
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Speaker 2: faced in fifty years.

511
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Speaker 3: Well in country.

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Speaker 1: And that's the immediate context, which is really important to

513
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Speaker 1: understand that because Netan Yahoo was in trouble for his

514
00:27:41,400 --> 00:27:45,720
Speaker 1: own allegations of corruption when she denies, that was the

515
00:27:45,800 --> 00:27:51,080
Speaker 1: genesis of this fight to basically kneecap the independent Judiciary

516
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Speaker 1: and Supreme Court, and that's what created this mass conflict

517
00:27:54,560 --> 00:27:57,600
Speaker 1: and these protests and that's what you and also that's

518
00:27:57,640 --> 00:27:59,600
Speaker 1: part of why his quest for power is part of

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Speaker 1: why he ended up forming this coalition with these effectively

520
00:28:02,440 --> 00:28:06,320
Speaker 1: like racist psychopaths on the hard extreme part of the

521
00:28:06,359 --> 00:28:09,680
Speaker 1: Israeli spectrum. And they're the ones who were so intent

522
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Speaker 1: on pushing forward with the illegal settlements and protecting these

523
00:28:14,240 --> 00:28:17,440
Speaker 1: Jewish settlers over and above making sure that the gods

524
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Speaker 1: of border were safe. So that part is really important

525
00:28:20,080 --> 00:28:23,600
Speaker 1: in terms of the micro context. But that quote that

526
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Speaker 1: we just had up there really speaks to macro context

527
00:28:26,960 --> 00:28:30,200
Speaker 1: here too. As we said before, you know, in the West,

528
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Speaker 1: we sort of maintain this fiction because we're far away

529
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Speaker 1: and we can do it that. Oh they're you know,

530
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Speaker 1: two state solution, and there's a path to that, and

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Speaker 1: that's what we need to be pushing for. That's not

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Speaker 1: what Netanyahu wants, our beliefs. He is very clear in

533
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Speaker 1: this statement that he wants to thwart the establishment of

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Speaker 1: any Palestinian state and the way to do that in

535
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Speaker 1: his view, and this goes back also to the founding

536
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Speaker 1: of AMAS, which was bolstered by Israelis in order to

537
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Speaker 1: be a check on the PLO. His view continued to be, Hey,

538
00:29:02,680 --> 00:29:04,960
Speaker 1: if you want to thwart the establishment. What you should

539
00:29:05,000 --> 00:29:09,120
Speaker 1: do is build up from us. Why because it's going

540
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Speaker 1: to be very unsympathetic. If you have these psychopathic terrorists

541
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Speaker 1: who are the face of the Palestinian liberation movement, it's

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Speaker 1: going to be very unsympathetic the idea of giving them

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Speaker 1: any sort of a state. So let's build them up.

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Speaker 1: That's the way to go in order to make sure

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Speaker 1: that we, you know, are able to sort of short

546
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Speaker 1: circuit any talk of a real peace solution to state

547
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Speaker 1: solution or otherwise. And that's been the direction that you know,

548
00:29:35,640 --> 00:29:38,600
Speaker 1: Israeli public policy has been going in. And at this

549
00:29:38,760 --> 00:29:44,520
Speaker 1: point it's really not even just Yahoo and the hard right.

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Speaker 1: This has become the status quo in Israel where it's like,

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Speaker 1: you know, we think that the IDF is going to

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Speaker 1: keep us safe. We think the intelligence is so great

553
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Speaker 1: that we're not going to suffer any real threats. We

554
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Speaker 1: can just sort of maintain the occupation and the blockade

555
00:29:57,520 --> 00:30:00,920
Speaker 1: status quo and put the Palestinian out of our mind.

556
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Speaker 1: And globally, this was the position adopted by the US

557
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Speaker 1: internationally of Okay, under Trump, we're going to do the

558
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Speaker 1: Abraham Accords and just pretend like the Palestinians don't exist.

559
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Speaker 1: Under Biden, We're going to do this new Saudi Arabia deal,

560
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Speaker 1: which very similar, and just pretend the Palestinians don't exist.

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Speaker 1: That was the idea of how are they going to

562
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Speaker 1: build this quote unquote new Middle East? And I think

563
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Speaker 1: it really comes through in this quote how much of

564
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Speaker 1: a failure that policy is and the fact that you

565
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Speaker 1: are never going to have I don't care how many millions, billions,

566
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Speaker 1: trillions of dollars you spend on your military and the

567
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Speaker 1: high tech and the surveillance and all of that, if

568
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Speaker 1: you really care about safety and security for your own citizens,

569
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Speaker 1: for Israeli citizens, there will be no real safety and

570
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Speaker 1: security until you have a some sort of a just

571
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Speaker 1: and sustainable resolution to the you know, the apartheid conditions

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Speaker 1: that Palestinians are currently living under, both in the West

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Speaker 1: Bank and in Gaza.

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Speaker 2: Well, I hope that will eventually get to that, you know,

575
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Speaker 2: in this situation, but unfortunately, I just think so there's

576
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Speaker 2: gonna be so much death and destruction.

577
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Speaker 1: In the in the Middle and it's already happening.

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Speaker 3: It is already happening.

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Speaker 2: And as I said, it really could only get so

580
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Speaker 2: much worse from here, especially if we see a full

581
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Speaker 2: bone war breakout and we don't even see any attempts

582
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Speaker 2: really at diplomacy or any of that, which I understand.

583
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Speaker 2: You know, in some cases on the Israeli even on

584
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Speaker 2: the Palainian side, they both feel like they're so all

585
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Speaker 2: in at this point that they've got nothing else.

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Speaker 1: The amount of dehumanization that has happened here, I mean

587
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Speaker 1: is just.

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Speaker 2: It's just I mean, you heard the hamask Gay He's like,

589
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Speaker 2: you know what, He's like, it's unfortunate, but we're going

590
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Speaker 2: to cut these people's heads off, you know on camera.

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Speaker 1: Well, I mean, and they have no qualms about murdering

592
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Speaker 1: any Israeli.

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Speaker 2: They yeah, exactly, they've been shooting up little grandmas and

594
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Speaker 2: you know, even children. And then same thing, you know,

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Speaker 2: I see the same I see videos of little tiny

596
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Speaker 2: kids and babies getting pulled out of Gaza wreckage and.

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Speaker 3: You're like, man, this is just it's so so horrific.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Absolutely, you know, it's tax on markets, attacks on moss,

599
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Speaker 1: raising apartment buildings to the ground. Again, half of Gaza

600
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Speaker 1: children median age of nineteen years old. These babies are

601
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Speaker 1: not Hamas, They are not terrorists, and they deserve life

602
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Speaker 1: as much as these precious Israeli babies do as well.

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Speaker 3: Let's move on misinformation. This was very important.

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Speaker 2: As you could see, it's been trepidacious and difficult for

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Speaker 2: us to continue to report on this just because we're

606
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Speaker 2: not in Israel. I only know one person who actually

607
00:32:29,520 --> 00:32:32,800
Speaker 2: has a reporter, Trey yangste shoutout amount yesterday. But it's

608
00:32:32,840 --> 00:32:37,200
Speaker 2: been incredibly difficult to sort through what is true.

609
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Speaker 1: And what is not.

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Speaker 2: It's very reminiscent of the early days of the Ukraine War. Oh,

611
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Speaker 2: Snake Island, the Ghost of Kiev. You know what else

612
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Speaker 2: am I missing in terms of some of the hoaxes

613
00:32:47,320 --> 00:32:50,360
Speaker 2: that were perpetrated at that time. And we have several

614
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Speaker 2: examples actually that we can show you that a one

615
00:32:53,760 --> 00:32:56,640
Speaker 2: user actually did a fantastic job of highlighting.

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Speaker 3: So let's start with the first one. Let's put this

617
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Speaker 3: up there.

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Speaker 2: So this one, for example, this is a video that

619
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Speaker 2: was circulating of a tower block in Gaza being hit.

620
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Speaker 2: It was being circulated as if it had just happened.

621
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Speaker 2: Turns out it was actually live during a BBC Arabic

622
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Speaker 2: broadcast in May of twenty twenty one, and it was

623
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Speaker 2: circulated widely all across as some sort of response by Israel. Yeah,

624
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Speaker 2: it was a response by Israel, but it was a

625
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Speaker 2: response in the last war in May of twenty twenty one.

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Speaker 3: Move on to the next one. Please.

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Speaker 2: This one also is a you know, shows you the

628
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Speaker 2: exact same thing. The video of a house in Gaza

629
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Speaker 2: being destroyed by a strike quote is genuine, but it's

630
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Speaker 2: from May of twenty twenty three, not as a result

631
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Speaker 2: of the current escalation. So the same problem where we're

632
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Speaker 2: taking old videos and in some cases not even that old,

633
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Speaker 2: but it just happened, and then we're passing them around

634
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Speaker 2: as if it had just occurred.

635
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Speaker 3: Here's the next one.

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Speaker 2: This one is being going around, has been shared a

637
00:33:57,200 --> 00:34:00,280
Speaker 2: bunch of times shows israelly police and it was actually

638
00:34:00,360 --> 00:34:03,800
Speaker 2: special forces outside of a house as you could see

639
00:34:04,200 --> 00:34:08,920
Speaker 2: from their uniforms, not Hamas militants. This was a video

640
00:34:09,280 --> 00:34:12,000
Speaker 2: that was being passed around of people allegedly going door

641
00:34:12,080 --> 00:34:14,960
Speaker 2: to door when it was actually police and special forces

642
00:34:15,160 --> 00:34:17,080
Speaker 2: who were trying to go door to door to make

643
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Speaker 2: that every make sure everybody in the community is safe.

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00:34:20,239 --> 00:34:23,680
Speaker 2: And then the next one, this again does not show

645
00:34:23,719 --> 00:34:27,360
Speaker 2: Hamas shooting down to Israeli helicopters because it's from a

646
00:34:27,480 --> 00:34:32,000
Speaker 2: freaking video game of called Arma three. I think that

647
00:34:32,120 --> 00:34:34,719
Speaker 2: one might be the absolute worst. And I believe we

648
00:34:34,840 --> 00:34:37,960
Speaker 2: have one more that we can show, which is quote

649
00:34:38,719 --> 00:34:42,000
Speaker 2: a actual tweet which was going around and saying, quote breaking,

650
00:34:42,320 --> 00:34:46,880
Speaker 2: Israel has authorized a tactical nuclear strike on the Gaza Strip,

651
00:34:47,200 --> 00:34:51,560
Speaker 2: Israel's advice to lead border settlement areas to avoid nuclear fallout,

652
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Speaker 2: and of course that's not even true. Also, just everyone

653
00:34:55,440 --> 00:34:57,879
Speaker 2: knows Israel's never even acknowledged having a nuclear weapon, even

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Speaker 2: though they definitely do. And it's one of those where

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Speaker 2: you know, in the heat of battle, as we will

656
00:35:03,480 --> 00:35:07,280
Speaker 2: all remember with Ukraine, the Ghost of Kiev, Snake Island,

657
00:35:07,600 --> 00:35:09,960
Speaker 2: many other of these stories that were passed around.

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Speaker 3: We have no idea, you know.

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Speaker 2: Even yesterday I said, based on a report that I

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Speaker 2: saw of a first hand account from one source that

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Speaker 2: there have been mass rape at the music festival, it

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Speaker 2: turns out that is only from one single source, and

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Speaker 2: that this has not been verified, and that the first

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Speaker 2: hand nature of it has now been questioned. I have

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Speaker 2: no idea whether it occurred or not. I felt though

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Speaker 2: that I should say that here because that's obviously incendiary

667
00:35:38,719 --> 00:35:39,399
Speaker 2: and horrible claim.

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Speaker 3: I wouldn't put it past them.

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Speaker 2: I wouldn't put it past people who are going to

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Speaker 2: you know, massacre people and shoot them and take them hostage.

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Speaker 3: Who God knows what happens.

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Speaker 2: It wouldn't be out of character you don't to see

673
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Speaker 2: in a war, especially with ISIS in the past and

674
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Speaker 2: Islamic terrorists. But I'm not going to say it until

675
00:35:55,239 --> 00:35:57,120
Speaker 2: it's been one hundred percent verified. So you know, I

676
00:35:57,160 --> 00:35:58,920
Speaker 2: could say that here, but that just goes to show

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Speaker 2: you we're doing We're working so hard here Crystal, try

678
00:36:01,440 --> 00:36:04,960
Speaker 2: and give people the best of information, and again and

679
00:36:05,040 --> 00:36:06,880
Speaker 2: again we see crazy instances.

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Speaker 3: This this is the craziest, one of the graziest ones.

681
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Speaker 2: Put this out there place where this guy puts a

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Speaker 2: puts out a tweet says, alleged footage of Hamas keeping

683
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Speaker 2: children in cages? Why what purposes it serve? Are they

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00:36:19,600 --> 00:36:24,200
Speaker 2: Israeli hostages? Correction, they are actually they were Palestinian children

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Speaker 2: that were being held in cages by Israeli law enforcement

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Speaker 2: and army officials.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Interesting that one immediately got deleted. None of this, by

689
00:36:33,960 --> 00:36:37,480
Speaker 2: the way, is to you know, bash whatever regime or you.

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Speaker 3: Know, side.

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Speaker 2: It's just to show you, like trying to sort through

692
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Speaker 2: all of us, you have to be very very careful

693
00:36:43,719 --> 00:36:46,680
Speaker 2: with what you see. It has to be verified multiple sources.

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00:36:46,920 --> 00:36:49,000
Speaker 2: You never know what's being out there. Things can be

695
00:36:49,080 --> 00:36:53,840
Speaker 2: deceptively edited. Everybody. This is just Twitter, I mean, Instagram, Facebook,

696
00:36:53,920 --> 00:36:57,320
Speaker 2: all this is rife with the same level. And you

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Speaker 2: and I are not calling for misinformation or for you know,

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Speaker 2: we're not calling for mass censorship or any of that.

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00:37:03,000 --> 00:37:05,000
Speaker 2: We are only pleading with you to do what we

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Speaker 2: have to do, which is be very careful. Don't believe

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Speaker 2: everything that you see. Try to make sure it's been

702
00:37:09,719 --> 00:37:13,640
Speaker 2: verified multiple times. Definitely, don't just take something credulous because

703
00:37:13,640 --> 00:37:16,959
Speaker 2: your friend posted it. You know, images like the kids

704
00:37:17,040 --> 00:37:19,120
Speaker 2: image is so easy to be passed around.

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Speaker 3: You know, the other one that we saw.

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Speaker 2: The like we said, the special Forces. You can make

707
00:37:24,320 --> 00:37:26,880
Speaker 2: something guys going door to door, something that was actually

708
00:37:26,880 --> 00:37:30,600
Speaker 2: a heroic act into a nefarious act. So just calm wait,

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Speaker 2: we don't know. The stories themselves don't need to be embellished.

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Speaker 3: They're bad enough. The two ones you don't need to

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Speaker 3: be pumping out you know crap.

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Speaker 1: Well, and I mean I do think some of these

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Speaker 1: people that are sharing this stuff, especially the people that

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Speaker 1: even after they get called down on it, they don't

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Speaker 1: take it down. I mean, I think it is actually

716
00:37:46,920 --> 00:37:49,520
Speaker 1: malevolent in certain cases where they just want the clicks,

717
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Speaker 1: they just want the cloud. I mean, the people who

718
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Speaker 1: are like making video game graphics and sharing that crap.

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Speaker 1: You can't tell me they don't know what they're doing.

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Speaker 1: Come on, Ted Cruz shared that kids in Cage is

721
00:37:59,239 --> 00:38:03,120
Speaker 1: bullshit after I mean this was days after it had

722
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Speaker 1: already been widely debunked and like, hey, that's actually Palestinian

723
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Speaker 1: children and that's not actually from now and this is

724
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Speaker 1: totally wildly inaccurate. He still shared it, I think yesterday,

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Speaker 1: So it's did he know about her? And I have

726
00:38:17,400 --> 00:38:21,360
Speaker 1: no idea, but especially be careful when it fits whatever

727
00:38:21,760 --> 00:38:25,879
Speaker 1: your biased, like pre existing bias is, when it fits

728
00:38:26,000 --> 00:38:29,440
Speaker 1: your storyline a little bit too closely, really take a

729
00:38:29,520 --> 00:38:32,239
Speaker 1: step back and really think about where's this coming from.

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Speaker 1: Who's verified it, has it been double verified, et cetera.

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Speaker 1: Here's another one. This was Jamie Lee Curtis who put

732
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Speaker 1: this up on the screen, who was making a post

733
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Speaker 1: that she thought was in support of Israel, and she

734
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Speaker 1: just puts this captain this on Instagram, Terror from the

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Speaker 1: Skies with the Israeli flag. That's a picture of Palestinian

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Speaker 1: kids in Gaza who are afraid of bombing that is

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Speaker 1: coming from the Israelis in retaliation. So she's actually accidentally

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Speaker 1: making the exact opposite point of what she thinks she's

739
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Speaker 1: making here, which is, you know, in defensive Israeli children. Instead,

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Speaker 1: she's showing the horror that Palestinian children are also being

741
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Speaker 1: subjected to. Right now, I have to say, Sager, you

742
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Speaker 1: know we had a little debate before about community notes

743
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Speaker 1: on Twitter. Yes, I have come to really appreciate community

744
00:39:21,200 --> 00:39:22,680
Speaker 1: notes because it's a it's a.

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00:39:22,719 --> 00:39:23,840
Speaker 3: Thing of their own making.

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Speaker 2: That's only they only need community notes because of the

747
00:39:27,120 --> 00:39:30,319
Speaker 2: vast like like Ian Miles Chong right who I'm gonna

748
00:39:30,320 --> 00:39:32,719
Speaker 2: call it. This guy has posted multiple things, so many

749
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Speaker 2: completely wrong. He's only boosted in the algorithm because he

750
00:39:35,600 --> 00:39:38,200
Speaker 2: frequently is a reply guy to Elon. By the way,

751
00:39:38,239 --> 00:39:40,120
Speaker 2: he's never even been to America. I don't know if

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Speaker 2: anybody knows that he's from Malaysia. Is constantly posting about.

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Speaker 1: I know, I Milestrong as I wish I know less.

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Speaker 2: I know, I'm only just like, why is this guy's

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00:39:49,200 --> 00:39:52,560
Speaker 2: feet you know, constantly in my feed posting all of

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Speaker 2: these videos, and you know, it's like some of them

757
00:39:54,800 --> 00:39:55,720
Speaker 2: are complete bs.

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Speaker 3: So it's made me be like, Okay, now I can't

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Speaker 3: trust anything this person.

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Speaker 7: But that why the.

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Speaker 2: Recent community notes end up being needed is because we

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Speaker 2: have vast amounts of these crazy verified accounts like you know,

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Speaker 2: like x monitor or whatever, which just post stuff and

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Speaker 2: it has the blue check and people take it credulously

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Speaker 2: and they amassed hundreds of thousands of followers and then

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Speaker 2: what two three hours later you have a note. But honestly,

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Speaker 2: at that point the damage is done. No, I'm not

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Speaker 2: saying that they are just as bad. You know, in

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Speaker 2: many cas they're probably just as bad as a mainstream media.

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Speaker 2: I'm just saying like, in terms of the problem surrounding

771
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Speaker 2: this and all that, I think that is just like

772
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Speaker 2: a band aid on a much worse.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, Elon actively boosted, especially one account like warmont

774
00:40:39,480 --> 00:40:42,200
Speaker 1: go follow them. They're great with updates, and then people start,

775
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Speaker 1: First of all, they get things wrong all the time.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Second of hope you were posting all of these like

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Speaker 1: brazenly anti semitic comments from them, like these are the

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Speaker 1: people you want folks to really follow. He deleted the tweet.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, what War Monitor is a very I will say

781
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Speaker 2: I do follow him because every once in a while

782
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Speaker 2: he has stuff that is services. But he is one

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Speaker 2: of those people, oh she I don't know who it

784
00:41:03,040 --> 00:41:05,239
Speaker 2: is actually because it's an anonymous account, but he's like

785
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Speaker 2: one of those people is like the Zionist regime. He

786
00:41:07,360 --> 00:41:11,239
Speaker 2: literally refers to dead Palestinian soldiers as martyrs, just like,

787
00:41:11,360 --> 00:41:12,759
Speaker 2: come on, man, you know, it's.

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Speaker 1: Like, what are maybe not your neutral news?

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Speaker 3: What are we're doing here? Yeah exactly.

790
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Speaker 2: I mean I maybe because I've covered several wars and

791
00:41:20,239 --> 00:41:21,160
Speaker 2: conflicts in the past.

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Speaker 3: You know, it's like it's just a given.

793
00:41:23,400 --> 00:41:25,040
Speaker 2: You know, if you went through Syria, if you went

794
00:41:25,120 --> 00:41:27,880
Speaker 2: through Afghanistan, if you went through Ukraine.

795
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Speaker 3: That's just for in the last like ten years.

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Speaker 2: You should have a very very thick skin and be

797
00:41:33,239 --> 00:41:36,080
Speaker 2: incredibly skeptical about a lot of the stuff that you

798
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Speaker 2: sift through. But I do think that there are a

799
00:41:37,719 --> 00:41:40,440
Speaker 2: lot of people who are coming online in this like

800
00:41:40,600 --> 00:41:44,680
Speaker 2: obsession era area where I've noticed this really with Ukraine,

801
00:41:44,840 --> 00:41:46,920
Speaker 2: where people who have never been Ukraine probably never even

802
00:41:46,960 --> 00:41:50,880
Speaker 2: heard of Ukraine before Ukraine can tell you every unit

803
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Speaker 2: where they are placed.

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Speaker 3: They're like follow it.

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00:41:53,560 --> 00:41:55,439
Speaker 2: It's like a video game where a lot of people

806
00:41:55,480 --> 00:41:57,800
Speaker 2: actually met some of these people. It's sounds scary. In

807
00:41:57,920 --> 00:42:00,239
Speaker 2: most cases, they're losers and they really have a lot

808
00:42:00,280 --> 00:42:02,600
Speaker 2: going else else in their life, and it's like they

809
00:42:02,719 --> 00:42:06,600
Speaker 2: live vicariously through the conflict by going on our combat

810
00:42:06,680 --> 00:42:09,880
Speaker 2: footage or whatever, Reddit or going on Telegram. Now that

811
00:42:09,960 --> 00:42:13,200
Speaker 2: LiveLeak is dead rip to those who used to also

812
00:42:13,280 --> 00:42:16,040
Speaker 2: frequent the site, and they like live through go pro

813
00:42:16,120 --> 00:42:18,200
Speaker 2: footage and a lot of this other stuff. And that's

814
00:42:18,360 --> 00:42:21,360
Speaker 2: actually what I think feeds the most of this misinformation

815
00:42:21,400 --> 00:42:23,600
Speaker 2: because it's like a dopamine hit for people who like

816
00:42:23,680 --> 00:42:25,520
Speaker 2: to play Call of Duty, which is why it is

817
00:42:25,560 --> 00:42:28,160
Speaker 2: gross for all of us, because they're real people, real

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00:42:28,160 --> 00:42:30,680
Speaker 2: people's lives, and has a real impact in terms of

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00:42:30,719 --> 00:42:32,640
Speaker 2: the public's understanding of the situation.

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Speaker 1: Let me also say, I mean this is like just

821
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Speaker 1: the beginning of this because these are like you know,

822
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Speaker 1: video game footage that's easily disproven, or you can go

823
00:42:41,560 --> 00:42:43,680
Speaker 1: back and look and be like, actually, this is BBC

824
00:42:43,840 --> 00:42:46,919
Speaker 1: footage from last year, not this current conflict, et cetera,

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00:42:46,960 --> 00:42:48,839
Speaker 1: which some of this, some of the things that were

826
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Speaker 1: being shared as being in the current conflict, which we're like, no,

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Speaker 1: that was actually a few months ago. Also goes to

828
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Speaker 1: show you the level of the of continued violence that

829
00:42:57,880 --> 00:43:00,239
Speaker 1: is going on here that you know, people just don't

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Speaker 1: really pay attention to typically, But you know, this is

831
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Speaker 1: before we really have transitioned into the era of AI

832
00:43:07,239 --> 00:43:09,279
Speaker 1: and deep fakes and what could be generated there, and

833
00:43:09,360 --> 00:43:11,680
Speaker 1: people are really going to need to be on their guard.

834
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Speaker 1: And the number one thing you can do to inoculate

835
00:43:15,440 --> 00:43:21,680
Speaker 1: yourself is to really really question anything that fits too

836
00:43:22,239 --> 00:43:25,560
Speaker 1: neatly into your own bias. Be aware of what your

837
00:43:25,640 --> 00:43:27,960
Speaker 1: narrative is, be aware of what your bias is, and

838
00:43:28,440 --> 00:43:32,360
Speaker 1: really question yourself when it's video footage kids in cages

839
00:43:32,440 --> 00:43:36,040
Speaker 1: that happen to fit your particular political ideology, because that's

840
00:43:36,040 --> 00:43:39,280
Speaker 1: where people really get caught. And there are really malicious

841
00:43:39,320 --> 00:43:41,560
Speaker 1: actors out there who just want the clicks and they

842
00:43:41,719 --> 00:43:44,880
Speaker 1: really don't care whether it's accurate or inaccurate or whatever.

843
00:43:45,320 --> 00:43:47,520
Speaker 1: And even if they end up deleting it, the fact

844
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Speaker 1: they posted it and got you know, thousands of retweets

845
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Speaker 1: and all this engagement whatever, and got the bump in

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Speaker 1: their account from it and then they go and delete

847
00:43:54,400 --> 00:43:56,520
Speaker 1: it like that's all they need to help to build

848
00:43:56,520 --> 00:43:59,360
Speaker 1: their clouds. So there are a lot of very shady

849
00:43:59,440 --> 00:44:01,759
Speaker 1: actors there, and don't find yourself caught up and when

850
00:44:01,760 --> 00:44:03,839
Speaker 1: it's sad, because it makes us actually have to rely

851
00:44:04,040 --> 00:44:09,200
Speaker 1: more on the mainstream sources, because it's so difficult to

852
00:44:09,520 --> 00:44:12,880
Speaker 1: verify or trust anything that is being posted on Twitter

853
00:44:13,080 --> 00:44:15,960
Speaker 1: in particular or other platforms at this point, because there

854
00:44:16,280 --> 00:44:17,680
Speaker 1: is so much and don't even get me started on

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00:44:17,719 --> 00:44:19,759
Speaker 1: the friakin headlines being gone from the news articles, which

856
00:44:19,800 --> 00:44:21,120
Speaker 1: is such a pain in the ass that is.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, there's so many things that we could say. We

858
00:44:23,800 --> 00:44:26,080
Speaker 2: just wanted to make sure that everybody kept that in mind,

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Speaker 2: especially on what is likely to be a pretty crazy

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Speaker 2: forty eight hours to come.

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Speaker 3: Let's move on to the speakers race. We brought you

862
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Speaker 3: the news yesterday.

863
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Speaker 2: The speaker's race has been dramatically impacted and could be

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00:44:39,560 --> 00:44:42,799
Speaker 2: accelerated by the Israel conflict. They want to push as

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Speaker 2: much aid to Israel as possible. They can't do anything

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Speaker 2: in the House of Representatives until they elect a speaker. Now,

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Speaker 2: though there doesn't yet seem to be any acceleration in

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Speaker 2: the development. We brought you the news that there would

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Speaker 2: be a meeting last night, and there was one, but

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Speaker 2: doesn't appear that anything actually happened.

871
00:44:58,719 --> 00:44:59,520
Speaker 3: Let's both this up there.

872
00:45:00,120 --> 00:45:02,840
Speaker 2: The screen quote the GOP holds an emotional meeting on

873
00:45:02,880 --> 00:45:05,239
Speaker 2: the next speaker fails to unite on one. They had

874
00:45:05,320 --> 00:45:09,080
Speaker 2: multiple people come up and speak, they said. One member

875
00:45:09,120 --> 00:45:13,879
Speaker 2: called it quote a therapy session. Others specifically called out

876
00:45:14,000 --> 00:45:17,319
Speaker 2: the eight people. I believe chicken shit was the most

877
00:45:17,400 --> 00:45:20,400
Speaker 2: polite thing that was said about all of them, about

878
00:45:20,400 --> 00:45:23,920
Speaker 2: the people who actually kicked out Kevin McCarthy. However, there

879
00:45:24,000 --> 00:45:27,480
Speaker 2: have been major cracks that have now unfolded. Two members

880
00:45:27,680 --> 00:45:30,920
Speaker 2: say they will only vote for Kevin McCarthy. They're like, no,

881
00:45:31,000 --> 00:45:32,959
Speaker 2: I won't vote for anybody else, I will only vote

882
00:45:33,000 --> 00:45:37,279
Speaker 2: for Kevin. Some have united behind Congressman Jim Jordan, who

883
00:45:37,360 --> 00:45:40,279
Speaker 2: is pictured there, who is openly declared and actually has

884
00:45:40,320 --> 00:45:43,840
Speaker 2: a decent amount of endorsements. Some have united around Steve Scalise,

885
00:45:43,920 --> 00:45:46,680
Speaker 2: the former Number two, who has also declared his candidate

886
00:45:46,760 --> 00:45:50,160
Speaker 2: for speakership. Nobody has got two hundred and seventeen votes,

887
00:45:50,200 --> 00:45:52,840
Speaker 2: which is what you actually need to become speaker. So

888
00:45:53,040 --> 00:45:57,880
Speaker 2: this has spurned a new draft McCarthy movement back to

889
00:45:58,040 --> 00:46:01,120
Speaker 2: his old job, which he said, yes, he also has

890
00:46:01,160 --> 00:46:02,320
Speaker 2: the backing of New Gingrich.

891
00:46:02,520 --> 00:46:03,400
Speaker 3: Let's take a listen to that.

892
00:46:03,960 --> 00:46:08,040
Speaker 8: Ninety six percent of the Republicans voted for McCarthy, four

893
00:46:08,160 --> 00:46:11,440
Speaker 8: percent voter against him. From my position as a longtime

894
00:46:11,520 --> 00:46:15,080
Speaker 8: Republican activist, they're traders. All eight of them should in

895
00:46:15,160 --> 00:46:17,600
Speaker 8: fact be primaried. They should all be driven out of

896
00:46:17,680 --> 00:46:20,520
Speaker 8: public life. What they did was to go to the

897
00:46:20,600 --> 00:46:24,000
Speaker 8: other team, to cause total chaos. We ought to be

898
00:46:24,080 --> 00:46:27,280
Speaker 8: focusing on Biden. We ought to be focusing on the economy.

899
00:46:29,080 --> 00:46:32,040
Speaker 9: This is about a moment in time. This is about

900
00:46:32,080 --> 00:46:35,000
Speaker 9: what America is going to do. Could you imagine if

901
00:46:35,040 --> 00:46:38,400
Speaker 9: we were sitting here and we listened further to a

902
00:46:38,480 --> 00:46:43,480
Speaker 9: Gates and Mace, that we were in a shutdown as

903
00:46:43,560 --> 00:46:45,840
Speaker 9: we asked our thirty thousand men and women in the

904
00:46:45,880 --> 00:46:49,000
Speaker 9: military in the Middle East to defend us without being paid.

905
00:46:50,480 --> 00:46:53,800
Speaker 9: That the question around the world of what was happening

906
00:46:53,840 --> 00:46:57,720
Speaker 9: here today. That's a decision by the conference. I'll allow

907
00:46:57,800 --> 00:47:00,800
Speaker 9: the Conference to make whatever decision I'm speaker or not.

908
00:47:01,120 --> 00:47:03,960
Speaker 9: I'm a member of this body. I know what history

909
00:47:03,960 --> 00:47:06,520
Speaker 9: has had, and I can lead in any position it is.

910
00:47:07,040 --> 00:47:09,640
Speaker 2: I can lead in any position it is. Doesn't sound

911
00:47:09,719 --> 00:47:11,640
Speaker 2: like he's bowing out like he did just four y

912
00:47:11,680 --> 00:47:14,200
Speaker 2: eight hours ago. What a crazy last eleven days you're

913
00:47:14,200 --> 00:47:15,719
Speaker 2: talking about. It feels like everything's been had.

914
00:47:15,800 --> 00:47:18,600
Speaker 3: The world has been accelerating since Diane Feinstein. It's only

915
00:47:18,600 --> 00:47:19,120
Speaker 3: eleven days.

916
00:47:19,160 --> 00:47:21,600
Speaker 1: He triggered like a hole in the matrix or something

917
00:47:21,719 --> 00:47:23,959
Speaker 1: that I don't know. Maybe it might have been Trump

918
00:47:24,040 --> 00:47:24,400
Speaker 1: that triggered.

919
00:47:24,440 --> 00:47:26,200
Speaker 3: Probably a hole. Yes, yeah, you're right.

920
00:47:26,280 --> 00:47:29,359
Speaker 2: Trump was really the one who actually activated the code.

921
00:47:29,600 --> 00:47:31,960
Speaker 2: Matt Gets though, said put this up there on the screen.

922
00:47:32,280 --> 00:47:34,719
Speaker 2: He was like, yeah, a lot of people does not

923
00:47:35,239 --> 00:47:36,200
Speaker 2: equal to eighteen.

924
00:47:36,400 --> 00:47:39,280
Speaker 3: Matt is real. It's time to move forward.

925
00:47:39,400 --> 00:47:42,239
Speaker 2: After one of his colleagues, Congressman Mike Lawler, said that

926
00:47:42,320 --> 00:47:44,120
Speaker 2: there are a lot of people who believe Kevin McCarthy

927
00:47:44,400 --> 00:47:47,120
Speaker 2: is the right person to lead us. So I don't

928
00:47:47,120 --> 00:47:51,640
Speaker 2: really know what exactly is going to happen. We don't

929
00:47:51,640 --> 00:47:56,600
Speaker 2: seem any closer to two seventeen. We also know whenever

930
00:47:56,680 --> 00:47:59,920
Speaker 2: it comes to the actual GOP, there will be another

931
00:48:00,280 --> 00:48:03,880
Speaker 2: meeting tonight where allegedly they were going to have some

932
00:48:04,000 --> 00:48:06,799
Speaker 2: sort of ballot process. One Congressman who did come out

933
00:48:06,800 --> 00:48:09,520
Speaker 2: of the meeting said that they wanted to resolve everything

934
00:48:09,760 --> 00:48:12,759
Speaker 2: either tonight or ongoing behind closed.

935
00:48:12,480 --> 00:48:13,600
Speaker 3: Doors before that.

936
00:48:13,719 --> 00:48:16,520
Speaker 2: They eventually were able to unite to two eighteen and

937
00:48:16,600 --> 00:48:18,480
Speaker 2: then bring it to a vote on the floor in

938
00:48:18,560 --> 00:48:23,000
Speaker 2: the House. Currently, the speaker election is still scheduled for Wednesday.

939
00:48:23,040 --> 00:48:26,160
Speaker 2: There is supposed to be a vote on Wednesday for this,

940
00:48:26,680 --> 00:48:30,000
Speaker 2: but the current indication in Washington does not appear that

941
00:48:30,120 --> 00:48:32,920
Speaker 2: that it will be successful or that will be resolved.

942
00:48:32,960 --> 00:48:35,160
Speaker 2: Could be wrong, something crazy could happen tonight, but I mean,

943
00:48:35,160 --> 00:48:36,880
Speaker 2: I don't personally see a way.

944
00:48:36,760 --> 00:48:38,799
Speaker 1: That could happen. I think you've got too many people

945
00:48:38,920 --> 00:48:40,799
Speaker 1: who are too hard dug in. I mean, you've got

946
00:48:40,800 --> 00:48:42,440
Speaker 1: a few folks who are saying, I will only vote

947
00:48:42,480 --> 00:48:45,520
Speaker 1: for McCarthy. You've got other people, obviously in the Gates coalition,

948
00:48:45,600 --> 00:48:48,839
Speaker 1: who will one hundred percent never vote for McCarthy. Steve

949
00:48:48,920 --> 00:48:51,000
Speaker 1: Scalise out there kind of being like, hey, I'll be

950
00:48:51,160 --> 00:48:56,920
Speaker 1: the middle ground, my personal guests at this point. Yesterday

951
00:48:57,040 --> 00:48:59,520
Speaker 1: we brought you the reporting that they're trying to test

952
00:48:59,560 --> 00:49:02,680
Speaker 1: the limit of what the like interim speaker ProTem was.

953
00:49:02,719 --> 00:49:06,600
Speaker 1: His name mckenry, who's like the Plection party. Ally, they're

954
00:49:06,600 --> 00:49:09,160
Speaker 1: trying to test the limits of what he can do

955
00:49:09,560 --> 00:49:12,560
Speaker 1: as Speaker pro tem. And you know, up to this point,

956
00:49:12,760 --> 00:49:15,520
Speaker 1: the conventional wisdom has been exactly what we've been saying,

957
00:49:15,600 --> 00:49:17,920
Speaker 1: you can't do anything until you elect a new speaker.

958
00:49:18,320 --> 00:49:19,920
Speaker 1: Well now they're starting to saying, well maybe you can.

959
00:49:20,160 --> 00:49:21,680
Speaker 1: We need to get this is real aid done and

960
00:49:21,760 --> 00:49:24,480
Speaker 1: we want to do this pro Israel resolution and whatever.

961
00:49:25,040 --> 00:49:27,480
Speaker 1: It would not shock me if they just are unable

962
00:49:27,520 --> 00:49:29,200
Speaker 1: to come to any sort of a resolution and he

963
00:49:29,400 --> 00:49:33,919
Speaker 1: just ends up being this like interim speaker for quite

964
00:49:33,960 --> 00:49:38,080
Speaker 1: a while, while you know, they could even go until

965
00:49:38,160 --> 00:49:40,120
Speaker 1: the next election. I just it's hard for me to

966
00:49:40,160 --> 00:49:43,719
Speaker 1: see how this gets resolved. And usually if there is

967
00:49:44,080 --> 00:49:48,800
Speaker 1: a path of inaction in Washington is available, that is

968
00:49:48,880 --> 00:49:51,520
Speaker 1: the path that will be taken. Like the status quo

969
00:49:52,080 --> 00:49:56,120
Speaker 1: doesn't require anything hard, doesn't require any negotiations, doesn't require

970
00:49:56,120 --> 00:50:00,279
Speaker 1: anyone to do anything, just continue on this course. That's

971
00:50:00,320 --> 00:50:02,680
Speaker 1: how you end up with all of these like continuing

972
00:50:02,760 --> 00:50:05,719
Speaker 1: resolutions and no real budget process and all of that

973
00:50:06,120 --> 00:50:09,120
Speaker 1: is just like this is the default. So it wouldn't

974
00:50:09,120 --> 00:50:11,480
Speaker 1: shock me if they just, like figure out a way

975
00:50:11,960 --> 00:50:15,680
Speaker 1: to kind of maintain this weird in between status quo.

976
00:50:16,480 --> 00:50:18,640
Speaker 1: I think that's certainly a possibility at this point. And

977
00:50:18,719 --> 00:50:20,640
Speaker 1: the other piece, Sagar, that we were talking about some

978
00:50:20,840 --> 00:50:24,360
Speaker 1: yesterday is, you know, now you've got this desire for

979
00:50:24,719 --> 00:50:28,640
Speaker 1: additional Israel Aid, which the Republican caucus is as far

980
00:50:28,719 --> 00:50:31,320
Speaker 1: as I know, like one hundred percent united behind and

981
00:50:31,520 --> 00:50:34,040
Speaker 1: very adamant in favor of. And then you still have

982
00:50:34,160 --> 00:50:38,879
Speaker 1: the Ukraine Aid that many Republicans and basically I think

983
00:50:39,000 --> 00:50:41,200
Speaker 1: all of the Democrats want to see pass and Joe

984
00:50:41,239 --> 00:50:43,719
Speaker 1: Biden wants to see passed. The new idea is, hey,

985
00:50:43,760 --> 00:50:46,360
Speaker 1: we'll put these two things together and that's how we'll.

986
00:50:46,200 --> 00:50:46,640
Speaker 2: Get it through.

987
00:50:46,760 --> 00:50:49,800
Speaker 1: And it would not surprise me whatsoever if that's what

988
00:50:49,960 --> 00:50:50,520
Speaker 1: ends up happening.

989
00:50:50,560 --> 00:50:51,560
Speaker 3: Wouldn't surprise me either.

990
00:50:51,640 --> 00:50:54,680
Speaker 2: The only benefit that we might have is that Ukraine,

991
00:50:54,800 --> 00:50:57,640
Speaker 2: oh sorry, Israel Aid is actually on autopilot the last

992
00:50:57,680 --> 00:50:59,440
Speaker 2: time that it was passed. They have a three billion

993
00:50:59,440 --> 00:51:02,399
Speaker 2: dollar per year appropriation that doesn't have to be reauthorized

994
00:51:02,719 --> 00:51:04,839
Speaker 2: every year as I understand it, that has not been

995
00:51:05,080 --> 00:51:07,759
Speaker 2: fully drawn down or whatever from that pile, so they

996
00:51:07,800 --> 00:51:10,600
Speaker 2: may not even need more aid to be appropriated, and

997
00:51:10,719 --> 00:51:13,240
Speaker 2: they probably will still give it, just as a symbolic method,

998
00:51:13,360 --> 00:51:16,520
Speaker 2: just saying though it's not like they it is a

999
00:51:16,640 --> 00:51:19,279
Speaker 2: scenario in which they don't have to pass any new

1000
00:51:19,400 --> 00:51:21,080
Speaker 2: Israel AID. And if you don't have to do that,

1001
00:51:21,400 --> 00:51:23,840
Speaker 2: then you don't have to pass anymore Ukrainian.

1002
00:51:23,480 --> 00:51:24,720
Speaker 1: But you know they want more Israel.

1003
00:51:24,840 --> 00:51:27,319
Speaker 3: Of course they want more. We'll see how it works out.

1004
00:51:27,400 --> 00:51:30,080
Speaker 2: I'd be very interested because it would be I think

1005
00:51:30,239 --> 00:51:34,520
Speaker 2: very difficult for many even anti Ukraine AID Republicans to

1006
00:51:34,719 --> 00:51:36,840
Speaker 2: vote against that if they tie it together. At the

1007
00:51:36,880 --> 00:51:38,640
Speaker 2: same time, they could be like, no, you're we're not

1008
00:51:38,719 --> 00:51:41,200
Speaker 2: going to allow you procedurally to tie that together. And

1009
00:51:41,280 --> 00:51:44,200
Speaker 2: then also some Democrats could vote against it, might split

1010
00:51:44,320 --> 00:51:47,320
Speaker 2: that coalition, although who the hell knows so procedure.

1011
00:51:47,840 --> 00:51:51,600
Speaker 1: Yet many Democrats who vote against Israel AID. There's like

1012
00:51:52,000 --> 00:51:54,759
Speaker 1: maybe like three, you know, because like.

1013
00:51:54,800 --> 00:51:55,600
Speaker 3: Receeded to leave.

1014
00:51:55,800 --> 00:51:58,440
Speaker 1: Maybe Ilvan Omar May I don't think.

1015
00:51:58,760 --> 00:51:59,080
Speaker 2: I don't know.

1016
00:51:59,160 --> 00:52:00,880
Speaker 1: It's hard to say, but it be a lot. So

1017
00:52:01,040 --> 00:52:05,440
Speaker 1: yesterday RFK Junior making it official, moving out of the

1018
00:52:05,520 --> 00:52:09,200
Speaker 1: Democratic primary and into a run as an independent. He

1019
00:52:09,239 --> 00:52:11,239
Speaker 1: gave a big speech in Philadelphia. Let's take to listen

1020
00:52:11,280 --> 00:52:11,840
Speaker 1: to a little.

1021
00:52:11,640 --> 00:52:14,200
Speaker 10: Bit of that at hotels and malls on the street,

1022
00:52:15,280 --> 00:52:17,560
Speaker 10: and they remind me that this country is ready for

1023
00:52:17,640 --> 00:52:21,600
Speaker 10: a history making change. They are ready, they are ready

1024
00:52:22,000 --> 00:52:30,600
Speaker 10: to reclaim their freedom, their independence. And I saw that.

1025
00:52:30,920 --> 00:52:34,120
Speaker 10: I thought that what you saw, and that's why I'm

1026
00:52:34,160 --> 00:52:38,720
Speaker 10: here today. I'm here to declare myself an independent candidate.

1027
00:52:54,400 --> 00:52:56,880
Speaker 1: So there you go, as I said, making it official.

1028
00:52:57,040 --> 00:52:59,320
Speaker 1: Independent run. Doesn't look like he's going to affiliate with

1029
00:52:59,400 --> 00:53:02,239
Speaker 1: any party, the Democrats, not the Republicans, also not like

1030
00:53:02,320 --> 00:53:06,279
Speaker 1: the Libertarians or another third party. Fully independent, difficult to

1031
00:53:06,360 --> 00:53:08,520
Speaker 1: get ballid access, et cetera. But he does have a

1032
00:53:08,560 --> 00:53:10,960
Speaker 1: good amount of money behind him. So if anyone could

1033
00:53:11,000 --> 00:53:12,719
Speaker 1: pull off a lot of ballid access in a number

1034
00:53:12,719 --> 00:53:14,480
Speaker 1: of states, I think he would be, you know, a

1035
00:53:14,520 --> 00:53:16,160
Speaker 1: person who would be well positioned to do it. He's

1036
00:53:16,160 --> 00:53:18,920
Speaker 1: also got a decent level of support and certainly significant

1037
00:53:19,520 --> 00:53:22,799
Speaker 1: following online and elsewhere. One thing that has been very

1038
00:53:22,880 --> 00:53:25,840
Speaker 1: funny about this though, is up to this moment, a

1039
00:53:25,920 --> 00:53:29,240
Speaker 1: lot of Republicans, especially a lot of Maga Republicans loving

1040
00:53:29,320 --> 00:53:31,000
Speaker 1: are of k Junior. You know, they wanted to hear

1041
00:53:31,080 --> 00:53:33,880
Speaker 1: everything he had to say about vaccines, about Fauci, his

1042
00:53:34,000 --> 00:53:37,040
Speaker 1: latest book, was about, you know, anti doctor Fauci, wanted

1043
00:53:37,040 --> 00:53:39,080
Speaker 1: to hear everything he had to say about like online

1044
00:53:39,120 --> 00:53:42,040
Speaker 1: censorship and misinformation, wanted to hear everything he had to

1045
00:53:42,040 --> 00:53:46,200
Speaker 1: say about Ukraine. Now they're feeling a little bit different

1046
00:53:46,400 --> 00:53:48,680
Speaker 1: now that he's running as an independent and not against

1047
00:53:48,800 --> 00:53:51,680
Speaker 1: Joe Biden, because there are some indication we'll get this

1048
00:53:51,840 --> 00:53:53,839
Speaker 1: into this in a minute, that he may take more

1049
00:53:54,000 --> 00:53:57,680
Speaker 1: votes from Donald Trump than he does from Joe Biden.

1050
00:53:57,920 --> 00:54:00,400
Speaker 1: So put this reaction up on the screen. This is

1051
00:54:00,480 --> 00:54:06,000
Speaker 1: from GOP chairwoman Roni McDaniel. She says RFK Junior cannot

1052
00:54:06,080 --> 00:54:09,239
Speaker 1: hide from his record of endorsing Hillary, supporting the Green

1053
00:54:09,320 --> 00:54:13,120
Speaker 1: New Deal, fighting against the Keystone Pipeline, and praising AOC's

1054
00:54:13,239 --> 00:54:16,759
Speaker 1: tax hikes. He is your typical liberal and voters will

1055
00:54:16,880 --> 00:54:20,360
Speaker 1: not be fooled. And this is an official RNC statement

1056
00:54:21,120 --> 00:54:23,920
Speaker 1: in the same direction. Actually put up on the screen.

1057
00:54:24,680 --> 00:54:26,880
Speaker 1: I think it's the last element we have in this

1058
00:54:27,080 --> 00:54:30,200
Speaker 1: block which shows you the way that Trump was talking

1059
00:54:30,239 --> 00:54:34,120
Speaker 1: about him very recently as well. He was praising RFK

1060
00:54:34,400 --> 00:54:36,520
Speaker 1: as a common sense guy. He said, this is on

1061
00:54:36,600 --> 00:54:39,120
Speaker 1: a radio show. He's a common sense guy. So am I. So,

1062
00:54:39,160 --> 00:54:41,960
Speaker 1: whether you're conservative or liberal, common sense is common sense.

1063
00:54:42,360 --> 00:54:44,160
Speaker 1: A lot of what I run on is common sense.

1064
00:54:44,200 --> 00:54:46,399
Speaker 1: He's doing really well. I saw Paul, He's at twenty two.

1065
00:54:46,480 --> 00:54:49,560
Speaker 1: That's pretty good. That's pretty good, doing very well. So

1066
00:54:50,320 --> 00:54:53,200
Speaker 1: obviously a bit of a shift in the vibes towards

1067
00:54:53,320 --> 00:54:55,680
Speaker 1: RFK Junior coming from the right at this point, so our.

1068
00:54:55,680 --> 00:54:59,279
Speaker 2: Time shift that we are seeing there, and yeah, I mean,

1069
00:54:59,560 --> 00:55:02,560
Speaker 2: look it last time. I think independent is going to

1070
00:55:02,600 --> 00:55:05,879
Speaker 2: be a tough gig. As you said, if anybody could

1071
00:55:05,920 --> 00:55:07,920
Speaker 2: do it, it definitely could be him. Getting on the

1072
00:55:08,000 --> 00:55:09,920
Speaker 2: state and or getting on the ballot in off the

1073
00:55:10,040 --> 00:55:13,200
Speaker 2: states is absolutely no joke. Otherwise you have to rely

1074
00:55:13,719 --> 00:55:16,360
Speaker 2: on writ in At this point, I mean, RFK Junior

1075
00:55:16,400 --> 00:55:18,480
Speaker 2: has set himself I take more votes than I do

1076
00:55:18,560 --> 00:55:21,840
Speaker 2: from Trump. He has also had that campaign insider that

1077
00:55:21,960 --> 00:55:24,160
Speaker 2: lead to media. We're going to fuck Trump is what

1078
00:55:24,239 --> 00:55:27,120
Speaker 2: they said. So I mean, maybe that's their goal, or

1079
00:55:27,160 --> 00:55:28,680
Speaker 2: maybe they just don't care because he wants to be

1080
00:55:28,719 --> 00:55:30,960
Speaker 2: able to get his message out there. I honestly, I

1081
00:55:31,000 --> 00:55:33,840
Speaker 2: think that probably is it. I think that he has achieved.

1082
00:55:34,200 --> 00:55:36,720
Speaker 2: This is the pinnacle really of any of his public

1083
00:55:36,760 --> 00:55:40,000
Speaker 2: profile that he's ever had. He sold millions of the

1084
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Speaker 2: real Anthony Fauci. He's been able to be on every

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Speaker 2: podcast that would have him. He's become I wouldn't say

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00:55:46,160 --> 00:55:48,719
Speaker 2: he's a household name yet, but I mean he's definitely

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Speaker 2: dramatically increased his profile and increased his profile specifically on

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Speaker 2: visibility on issues that he cares.

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Speaker 3: A lot about.

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Speaker 2: So honestly, it's probably that's most people get into this business,

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00:55:59,280 --> 00:56:02,719
Speaker 2: the independent run business specifically to do that. Look at

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00:56:02,760 --> 00:56:05,719
Speaker 2: a guy like Cornell West. I mean Cornell West at

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Speaker 2: this point what he switched from People's to Green and

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Speaker 2: now he's independent like OURFK Junior.

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00:56:10,920 --> 00:56:13,320
Speaker 3: The reason is that Cornell West cares.

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Speaker 2: Deeply about ending the war in Ukraine and about some

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Speaker 2: racial justice issues which he uses his platform in his

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00:56:18,480 --> 00:56:21,120
Speaker 2: campaign to highlight. So from that point, I honestly do

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Speaker 2: think it is a success really on both of their parts.

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Speaker 2: They're also, though media really highlighting some of his siblings

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Speaker 2: that we have here. Let's put this up there on

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Speaker 2: the screen. They long have differed very much from RFK Junior,

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00:56:36,200 --> 00:56:38,719
Speaker 2: some of his literal own siblings. That Bobby might share

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00:56:38,760 --> 00:56:40,200
Speaker 2: the same name as our father, but he does not

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00:56:40,320 --> 00:56:42,960
Speaker 2: share the same values, vision, or judgment. Today's announcement is

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00:56:43,000 --> 00:56:45,640
Speaker 2: saddening for us. We denounce his candidacy. We believe it

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00:56:45,760 --> 00:56:48,960
Speaker 2: to be perilous for our country. Not the first time

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Speaker 2: that they have done something like that.

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Speaker 1: I think it takes I think it's this is very

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00:56:53,880 --> 00:56:56,040
Speaker 1: difficult for them to do though, you know, to go

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00:56:56,200 --> 00:56:58,920
Speaker 1: against their own brother in such a public way like

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Speaker 1: I think that's a very difficult thing.

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Speaker 3: For me personally.

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Speaker 2: My sister could do anything. I'm just it's not gonna happen,

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00:57:05,840 --> 00:57:07,359
Speaker 2: and I would hope vice versa.

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Speaker 3: I don't know. I think that's like a horrific and

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00:57:09,200 --> 00:57:10,480
Speaker 3: tremendous betrayal personally.

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Speaker 2: However, they could do what they want. It's a complicated family.

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Speaker 2: Who knows how close that they all are. This is

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Speaker 2: irrespective of his ode views or whatever. I do think

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Speaker 2: it is interesting that sea Pack is still scheduled to

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00:57:24,560 --> 00:57:25,240
Speaker 2: have him speak.

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Speaker 3: Let's put this up there on the screen.

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Speaker 2: They announced that RFK Junior, Vivik Ramaswami and quote other

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Speaker 2: key influence and influencers will speak at the Sea Pack

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00:57:36,360 --> 00:57:39,840
Speaker 2: Investor Summit. Here's what mattch Slapp specifically had to say.

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00:57:40,560 --> 00:57:41,000
Speaker 3: Robert F.

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Speaker 2: Kennedy Junior has a unique voice in advocating for the

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00:57:43,640 --> 00:57:46,440
Speaker 2: defunding of the weaponized bureaucracy ensuring the constitutional right of

1130
00:57:46,480 --> 00:57:49,200
Speaker 2: medical freedom. Kennedy has joined such an important event in

1131
00:57:49,240 --> 00:57:51,280
Speaker 2: a reflection of the splintering left wing coalition that has

1132
00:57:51,320 --> 00:57:54,000
Speaker 2: gone full woke Marxist to the point that traditional liberals

1133
00:57:54,040 --> 00:57:56,320
Speaker 2: don't feel welcome anymore. The breakup of the left wing

1134
00:57:56,400 --> 00:57:59,040
Speaker 2: coalition is occurring while the conservative coalition has the hopes

1135
00:57:59,080 --> 00:58:01,600
Speaker 2: of adding more blacks and Hispanics who reject gender and sanity,

1136
00:58:01,680 --> 00:58:04,080
Speaker 2: the effects of the terrible economy and the destruction of

1137
00:58:04,120 --> 00:58:08,240
Speaker 2: their once safer neighborhoods. Match Lab, chairman of Seapack stated, Now,

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00:58:08,480 --> 00:58:11,720
Speaker 2: the reason why I think that is so fascinating is

1139
00:58:11,800 --> 00:58:15,480
Speaker 2: that Seapack wants to have him on and honestly, they

1140
00:58:15,560 --> 00:58:18,360
Speaker 2: even announced it ahead of his independent run. Yeah, but

1141
00:58:18,640 --> 00:58:22,640
Speaker 2: the RNC is like, no, no, no, he's a traditional liberal.

1142
00:58:23,000 --> 00:58:26,600
Speaker 2: And I've said last time around that I specifically saw

1143
00:58:26,760 --> 00:58:29,480
Speaker 2: one MAGA influencer was like, I very honest, He's like

1144
00:58:29,560 --> 00:58:32,000
Speaker 2: I elevated RFA Junior because he was a useful cudgel

1145
00:58:32,040 --> 00:58:34,280
Speaker 2: against Biden. But now I think he's going to take

1146
00:58:34,280 --> 00:58:36,200
Speaker 2: more votes away from Trump. So I'm going to start

1147
00:58:36,240 --> 00:58:39,880
Speaker 2: elevating all the terrible like liberal beliefs that the guy has,

1148
00:58:40,000 --> 00:58:42,360
Speaker 2: and you know, I mean it's kind of honest. So

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00:58:42,600 --> 00:58:44,360
Speaker 2: I think that's the phase that we're in now. Oh,

1150
00:58:44,440 --> 00:58:47,360
Speaker 2: Republicans are going to at least very clearly Republicans who

1151
00:58:47,360 --> 00:58:49,320
Speaker 2: care about the election are about to turn a hardcore

1152
00:58:49,400 --> 00:58:50,200
Speaker 2: on RFA Junior.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it feels like this Seapack description and invitation whatever

1154
00:58:55,120 --> 00:58:57,360
Speaker 1: is from like a month ago the good Like, I

1155
00:58:57,440 --> 00:59:00,280
Speaker 1: think if this event was happening a month in the

1156
00:59:00,360 --> 00:59:03,320
Speaker 1: future and things invites had been sent out a month

1157
00:59:03,360 --> 00:59:05,280
Speaker 1: from now, I don't think he would be on the list.

1158
00:59:05,360 --> 00:59:07,720
Speaker 1: They certainly would not be like highlighting him and propping

1159
00:59:07,800 --> 00:59:10,360
Speaker 1: him up in this particular way because Seapac is very

1160
00:59:10,400 --> 00:59:13,080
Speaker 1: closely associated with like just the mainstream over the Republican

1161
00:59:13,160 --> 00:59:16,360
Speaker 1: Party and match Slap has been a big Trump booster

1162
00:59:16,640 --> 00:59:19,600
Speaker 1: and all of that stuff. So yeah, this feels like

1163
00:59:19,720 --> 00:59:22,040
Speaker 1: it's a little bit out of date. And I even

1164
00:59:22,160 --> 00:59:26,160
Speaker 1: saw in the post on Twitter underneath of this, all

1165
00:59:26,240 --> 00:59:28,480
Speaker 1: of the replies were like, he's just a liberal and

1166
00:59:28,560 --> 00:59:31,880
Speaker 1: he voted for Hillary and blah blah blah. So already

1167
00:59:32,520 --> 00:59:35,120
Speaker 1: the message has gone out and the view of RFK

1168
00:59:35,320 --> 00:59:39,000
Speaker 1: Junior among the Republican bases really shifted, which begs an

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00:59:39,040 --> 00:59:42,400
Speaker 1: important question, which is, you know, there is Donald Trump

1170
00:59:42,440 --> 00:59:46,200
Speaker 1: in particular has so much sway with the Republican base

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00:59:46,840 --> 00:59:51,440
Speaker 1: that now that he's very clearly turning on RFK. And

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Speaker 1: we have a piece here, the one from Semaphore. Guys,

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Speaker 1: this is D six gotten put D six up on this.

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Speaker 1: They have a report that says Team Trump ready's attacks

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Speaker 1: on RFK Junior. And I think we've got a quote

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01:00:06,680 --> 01:00:10,440
Speaker 1: here too that is pretty explicit how they're going to

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Speaker 1: go about this. They say, we're going to be dropping

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01:00:12,320 --> 01:00:15,800
Speaker 1: napalm after napalm on his head, reminding the public of

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01:00:15,840 --> 01:00:18,560
Speaker 1: his very liberal views dating back to twenty twelve. We

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Speaker 1: have a lot of stuff on him. So that's how

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Speaker 1: Trump world is thinking about this, and I just have

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01:00:23,600 --> 01:00:25,880
Speaker 1: to think that the view of him among Republicans is

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01:00:26,120 --> 01:00:29,480
Speaker 1: set to totally flip, because you know, he was being

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01:00:30,080 --> 01:00:33,360
Speaker 1: he was. Tucker Carlson really liked him, Steve Binnon really

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01:00:33,520 --> 01:00:35,720
Speaker 1: liked him. He went on all of these like right

1186
01:00:35,840 --> 01:00:39,120
Speaker 1: leaning or right coded podcast and talked about the issues

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01:00:39,160 --> 01:00:41,640
Speaker 1: where they had a lot of agreement and didn't talk

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01:00:41,720 --> 01:00:43,680
Speaker 1: about any of the issues were, either now or in

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01:00:43,720 --> 01:00:47,000
Speaker 1: the past, you might have some disagreement. So I wonder

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Speaker 1: if that's going to change how he's viewed among the

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Speaker 1: electorate and who he's going to actually perform well with

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Speaker 1: in terms of a general election. So this is why

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Speaker 1: I've always been skeptical of the certainty that he would

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01:00:59,840 --> 01:01:03,440
Speaker 1: take more votes away from Trump than away from Biden, because,

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01:01:03,600 --> 01:01:05,760
Speaker 1: for one thing, Trump support is way more locked in,

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01:01:06,320 --> 01:01:09,880
Speaker 1: Biden's support is way more squishy. For another thing, he's Kennedy.

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Speaker 1: The name is just really automatically associated with the Democratic Party.

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Speaker 1: And for the last thing, Republicans are great when they

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Speaker 1: decide you to like rip someone apart and you know,

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Speaker 1: brand them as a trader and someone who's anathema to

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01:01:21,360 --> 01:01:24,120
Speaker 1: their base. And that's the process that he's entered right now.

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Speaker 1: So in any case, it's still not clear to me

1203
01:01:28,400 --> 01:01:31,840
Speaker 1: how the Kennedy vote will shake down. And I also

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01:01:31,920 --> 01:01:34,040
Speaker 1: I saw a poll that recently had him in there

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01:01:34,080 --> 01:01:36,160
Speaker 1: in like a three way. He's getting a significant percentage

1206
01:01:36,160 --> 01:01:38,760
Speaker 1: of the vote, but in terms of when people actually

1207
01:01:38,800 --> 01:01:40,560
Speaker 1: go to the ballot box usually ends up being a

1208
01:01:40,600 --> 01:01:43,200
Speaker 1: lot less significant than what they're telling bolsters in advance.

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Speaker 2: Yes, that's a great point. Some of the attacks that

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01:01:45,680 --> 01:01:47,480
Speaker 2: they're reading are very funny. Quote, we are going to

1211
01:01:47,520 --> 01:01:50,560
Speaker 2: be dropping napalm after napalm on his head, reminding the

1212
01:01:50,600 --> 01:01:53,520
Speaker 2: public of his liberal views dating back to twenty twelve.

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Speaker 3: Quote, we have a lot of stuff on him.

1214
01:01:55,880 --> 01:01:59,920
Speaker 2: They previewed one Daily Caller story that was just public

1215
01:02:00,400 --> 01:02:03,320
Speaker 2: says RFK Juniors once said farmers were worse than beIN

1216
01:02:03,440 --> 01:02:07,240
Speaker 2: Loaden months after nine to eleven. To be clear, he

1217
01:02:07,400 --> 01:02:10,760
Speaker 2: was he was going to get that's context. Factory meat

1218
01:02:10,880 --> 01:02:14,840
Speaker 2: integrators are more threatening to democracy than osaam in Laten.

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Speaker 3: He's a long time I mean, perstly I would not

1220
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Speaker 3: have said it.

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Speaker 1: The Hillary vote is a tough one. Hillary, Yeah, Hillary

1222
01:02:20,640 --> 01:02:23,880
Speaker 1: is the endorsement and vote is a tough one. And

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Speaker 1: you know, if you get that out widely to the

1224
01:02:27,240 --> 01:02:29,840
Speaker 1: Republican based and people who are like right leaning, how

1225
01:02:29,880 --> 01:02:30,640
Speaker 1: do you think they're going to feel?

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Speaker 3: Also on Trump? I mean even on our show.

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Speaker 2: I'd have to go back and to watch the clip,

1228
01:02:34,000 --> 01:02:35,840
Speaker 2: but I remember we asked him about Trump and he's like, no,

1229
01:02:36,000 --> 01:02:38,040
Speaker 2: I disagree with Trump on plenty of it.

1230
01:02:38,160 --> 01:02:40,680
Speaker 3: You're not allowed to see it. You're not allowed to say.

1231
01:02:40,560 --> 01:02:43,200
Speaker 2: That whenever you are somebody who's supposed to be appealing

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01:02:43,240 --> 01:02:46,080
Speaker 2: to Republican that said, you know, look, there's maybe an

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01:02:46,160 --> 01:02:49,320
Speaker 2: independent ish group of people that are out there that

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01:02:49,440 --> 01:02:51,120
Speaker 2: might vote for him. So I don't know. I mean,

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Speaker 2: I think about so Oliver Anthony. I feel like that

1236
01:02:53,840 --> 01:02:57,640
Speaker 2: discourses just so many lifetimes ago. But I listened to

1237
01:02:57,840 --> 01:03:00,880
Speaker 2: his podcast with Joe Roe because I was like, I

1238
01:03:00,920 --> 01:03:02,320
Speaker 2: want to get it. I want to hear about this

1239
01:03:02,440 --> 01:03:05,680
Speaker 2: guy and what he has to say. And he was like, well,

1240
01:03:05,800 --> 01:03:07,440
Speaker 2: you know, Trump did a lot of bad things too,

1241
01:03:07,720 --> 01:03:10,520
Speaker 2: like Operation Warp Speed. And I was like, oh, interesting,

1242
01:03:10,760 --> 01:03:13,280
Speaker 2: So you got all over Anthony here. By his own admission,

1243
01:03:13,280 --> 01:03:15,640
Speaker 2: he's not a two party guy or whatever. But his

1244
01:03:15,760 --> 01:03:17,920
Speaker 2: only criticism he's got main Christism. He got right now

1245
01:03:18,200 --> 01:03:21,720
Speaker 2: of Trump. It was about Operation Warp Speed, the vaccine program. Yeah,

1246
01:03:21,760 --> 01:03:23,560
Speaker 2: And I was like, well, maybe there's people like him

1247
01:03:23,640 --> 01:03:24,880
Speaker 2: who vote for our page Junior.

1248
01:03:25,480 --> 01:03:28,120
Speaker 3: There's a decent percentage of people who are like those are.

1249
01:03:28,080 --> 01:03:30,880
Speaker 1: People who would probably if Push came to shop, he

1250
01:03:30,960 --> 01:03:31,800
Speaker 1: would vote for Trump.

1251
01:03:31,800 --> 01:03:34,680
Speaker 2: If Trump, So then I'm like, okay, then I definitely

1252
01:03:34,720 --> 01:03:37,440
Speaker 2: do see the Trump spoiler quote unquote element to all

1253
01:03:37,480 --> 01:03:40,480
Speaker 2: of this and a very legitimate constituency. I don't know

1254
01:03:40,520 --> 01:03:43,160
Speaker 2: how big the constituency would be, maybe six seven percent

1255
01:03:43,280 --> 01:03:45,600
Speaker 2: or whatever of the country, but it's not nothing. I mean,

1256
01:03:46,800 --> 01:03:49,760
Speaker 2: Ross Perot was able to get twenty. The question two

1257
01:03:49,880 --> 01:03:53,920
Speaker 2: comes to OURFA Junior's strategy. Parro was able to get

1258
01:03:53,920 --> 01:03:55,440
Speaker 2: a huge chunk of the vote because she said a

1259
01:03:55,520 --> 01:03:58,080
Speaker 2: ton of money and he was able to buy big spots.

1260
01:03:58,120 --> 01:04:00,960
Speaker 2: And media was also different at that time with a monoculture,

1261
01:04:01,040 --> 01:04:02,760
Speaker 2: so a lot of people were forced to watch it.

1262
01:04:02,880 --> 01:04:05,480
Speaker 2: So I'd be curious to see how he gets how

1263
01:04:05,520 --> 01:04:08,200
Speaker 2: he gets his actual message out there from now. For

1264
01:04:08,320 --> 01:04:11,160
Speaker 2: now it's been podcasting. I think that was actually successful

1265
01:04:11,160 --> 01:04:12,640
Speaker 2: to get him to the point where he is. But

1266
01:04:12,720 --> 01:04:14,000
Speaker 2: I do think he's got to He's got to take

1267
01:04:14,040 --> 01:04:15,240
Speaker 2: it to another level.

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Speaker 1: I don't know what that looks like, though, I mean

1269
01:04:16,680 --> 01:04:18,720
Speaker 1: I do think the core, you know, I listened to

1270
01:04:19,000 --> 01:04:21,160
Speaker 1: some of his speech, read some of the transcript of

1271
01:04:21,240 --> 01:04:24,280
Speaker 1: his speech. The core of his primary message is very popular.

1272
01:04:24,560 --> 01:04:27,400
Speaker 1: It's anti corruption, and it's anti Biden and anti try

1273
01:04:27,480 --> 01:04:29,640
Speaker 1: it's anti the two parties, and that is very like

1274
01:04:29,680 --> 01:04:33,120
Speaker 1: if you look at the polls, it's very popular. There

1275
01:04:33,480 --> 01:04:37,320
Speaker 1: is a historic number of people who are interested in

1276
01:04:37,360 --> 01:04:40,920
Speaker 1: a third party, who are disgusted with the two choices

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01:04:41,040 --> 01:04:43,560
Speaker 1: that are on the ballot. And you know, do I

1278
01:04:43,640 --> 01:04:46,320
Speaker 1: think that there's enough of an opportunity that RFK Junior

1279
01:04:46,360 --> 01:04:48,000
Speaker 1: would be the next person. No, I don't think that.

1280
01:04:48,560 --> 01:04:52,680
Speaker 1: But if he's able to overcome some of the logistical hurdles,

1281
01:04:53,200 --> 01:04:56,240
Speaker 1: do I think that he has an opportunity to grab

1282
01:04:56,600 --> 01:05:00,760
Speaker 1: some portion of the electorate, some non significant, some not

1283
01:05:00,960 --> 01:05:03,960
Speaker 1: insignificant portion of the electric Yeah, I absolutely do, because

1284
01:05:04,480 --> 01:05:06,360
Speaker 1: I think the fact that you have him, you have

1285
01:05:06,480 --> 01:05:10,800
Speaker 1: Cornell West, you may have this like no labels corporate candidate,

1286
01:05:11,280 --> 01:05:15,000
Speaker 1: like neither one is slavish enough to Wall Street out

1287
01:05:15,080 --> 01:05:18,240
Speaker 1: there as well. I think these are all signs of

1288
01:05:18,440 --> 01:05:21,360
Speaker 1: just the level of dissatisfaction that you have in the

1289
01:05:21,440 --> 01:05:27,080
Speaker 1: population about really Trump versus Biden again, really like I

1290
01:05:27,120 --> 01:05:30,640
Speaker 1: don't want either of these dudes. Give me something else.

1291
01:05:31,520 --> 01:05:34,640
Speaker 1: And so while the you know, electoral landscape still is

1292
01:05:34,760 --> 01:05:36,800
Speaker 1: what it is in terms of first past the posts

1293
01:05:36,800 --> 01:05:39,320
Speaker 1: and no rank choice voting and the structural barriers to

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Speaker 1: get on the ballot, I mean those are all still

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Speaker 1: probably insurmountable obstacles to any valuable third party candidate. You

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Speaker 1: know the fact that you have so many candidates who

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Speaker 1: are well known and have some funding behind them jumping

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Speaker 1: into this thing, I do think is a real sign

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Speaker 1: of just how disgusted Americans are with their total lack

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Speaker 1: of real democratic choice, either on the Republican or the Democratic.

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Speaker 3: You're very right, Rassel, All right.

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Speaker 1: Let's talk about a presidential contender. Would be somebody's looking

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Speaker 1: his shops to get in and whenever Biden is done.

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Speaker 1: That would be Gavin Newsome. Kyle Is coined the term

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Speaker 1: greasy Gavin, which I think is actually I don't mind

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Speaker 1: it not too shabby, allow, yes, not too shabby. And

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Speaker 1: part of why it fits is because very hard to

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Speaker 1: pin down what this dude actually thinks or believes outside

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Speaker 1: of his very clear belief in his own abilities and ambition.

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Speaker 1: He just issued a slew of vetos that are really

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Speaker 1: quite something. Let me go through all of them. Can

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Speaker 1: talk about him on the other side. This is not

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Speaker 1: even all of them. There are a number of others,

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Speaker 1: but these were some of the ones that stuck out

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Speaker 1: to me. So put this up on the screen. You

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Speaker 1: have a This is a Democratic legislator Alex Lee, who

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Speaker 1: says he's extremely disappointed that the governor had vetoed a

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Speaker 1: social Housing Act that would have built more social housing

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Speaker 1: in certain specified areas in California. Of course, California estate

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Speaker 1: with maybe the worst housing crisis in the entire country

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Speaker 1: in terms of affordability. Gun put this next one up

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Speaker 1: on the screen. This one might be a surprise to

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Speaker 1: a lot of folks. California Governor Gavin Newsom veto to

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Speaker 1: bill that would have decriminalized psychedelic mushrooms. And this is

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Speaker 1: you know, similar legislation has actually passed here in DC past,

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Speaker 1: an organ passed in a number of places. This is

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Speaker 1: sort of the next front after marijuata legalization is legalizing

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Speaker 1: psychedelics and also enabling research on psychedelics. There's a lot

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Speaker 1: of evidence at this point that it can be beneficial

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Speaker 1: for treatment. A lot of veterans have found a lot

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Speaker 1: of comfort and ability to overcome PTSD using psychedelic mushrooms

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Speaker 1: and other psychedelics. So vetoed that we also have put

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Speaker 1: this next one up on the screen. Veto to bill

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Speaker 1: to make free condoms available for high school students, citing

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Speaker 1: cost would have been a few million dollars. California is

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Speaker 1: facing a significant budget deficit, so that's why he's saying

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Speaker 1: no free condoms for high school students. And then this

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Speaker 1: last one we oh, this one we talked about before.

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Speaker 1: This was significant in terms of being anti labor. Vetoed

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Speaker 1: a bill that would ban driver lists big rigs. Labor

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Speaker 1: very upset over this one. Silicon Valley very happy over

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Speaker 1: this one. He had also vetoed that bill that would

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Speaker 1: have provide unemployment insurance payments for striking workers. Hollywood very

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Speaker 1: happy with him, and Hollywood donors very happy with him

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Speaker 1: over that particular veto. And then the last one we

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Speaker 1: have here is he vetoed a bill aimed at limiting

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Speaker 1: the price of insulin. It would have capped insulin copays

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Speaker 1: at thirty five dollars a month. I believe that it was.

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Speaker 1: Now he has taken and this is part of what's

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Speaker 1: so perplexing. He has taken some significant steps towards curbing

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Speaker 1: insulin costs. They're actually spinning up a public insulin program

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Speaker 1: in the state of California where they are actually going

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Speaker 1: to manufacture insulin at low cost and compete directly with

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Speaker 1: pharma in terms of insulin. So it's not like he's

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Speaker 1: done nothing here. But Sagara, when I look at all

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Speaker 1: of these things and when I try to piece together,

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01:09:00,200 --> 01:09:03,920
Speaker 1: like what is the overarching philosophy here, it really becomes

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01:09:04,040 --> 01:09:06,160
Speaker 1: very clear. It's follow the money, you know, if it

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Speaker 1: goes against We've seen him before. He really stimied this

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Speaker 1: Medicare for All push, which was something he had pretended

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Speaker 1: like he was in favor of. Well guess what, the

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Speaker 1: health insurers didn't like it, and so he had their back.

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Speaker 1: They don't like this insulin thing. He has their back again,

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Speaker 1: you know. On the labor stuff. Very clear. So the

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Speaker 1: two biggest donor sets in California and really for the

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Speaker 1: Democratic Party overall, are Silicon Valley in Hollywood. So he's

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Speaker 1: not going to get crosswise of them with regards to labor.

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Speaker 1: The condon one who knows I can get inside.

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Speaker 3: Of his head one.

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Speaker 1: But with even with psychedelics, you might think that when

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Speaker 1: like what's going on there?

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Speaker 3: I actually was curious about that one. I didn't know.

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Speaker 1: You know what, This won't surprise you, like, yeah, pharma

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Speaker 1: does not is not in favor of psychedelic legalization want

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Speaker 1: because they want to. They want you to be on

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Speaker 1: anti anxiety antidepressants for the rest of your life, and

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Speaker 1: with psychedelics, according to the early research which has been conducted,

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Speaker 1: you don't take it. You have you know, a few

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Speaker 1: doses supervised, et cetera in a certain fashion, and then

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Speaker 1: you actually may have a chance at real recovery. Not

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Speaker 1: being on a pill for the rest of your life.

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Speaker 1: That's not very profitable. So there's a big pharma angle

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Speaker 1: here in terms of the hallucinogen that.

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Speaker 2: Is extraordinarily dark. I'd heard it before, but this may

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Speaker 2: be the most you know, stunning example of that. I

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01:10:23,280 --> 01:10:25,920
Speaker 2: just think all of this he's running for president. There's

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Speaker 2: just no question. I think he's getting himself and gearing

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01:10:28,880 --> 01:10:32,000
Speaker 2: up for you know, the black Swan scenario should something

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Speaker 2: happened to Biden or Biden drop out or something.

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Speaker 3: Like yeah at the last minute, very unlikely to be clear.

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Speaker 2: But he's gearing up and then he's just going to

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Speaker 2: mount a campaign like this over the next four years.

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Speaker 2: His Sean Hannity play incredibly smart. I thought it was

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Speaker 2: with the smartest things that he's done so far, because

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Speaker 2: it shows that he can go into enemy territory. Democrats

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Speaker 2: love that, you know, like Boomer, Democratic voters like Gavin's

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01:10:52,920 --> 01:10:55,280
Speaker 2: given it back to Shawn Yeah. And then he's got

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Speaker 2: the centrist donor play. He's the governor of the most

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Speaker 2: populous state. Look, I hate to say, I think his

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01:11:00,880 --> 01:11:03,679
Speaker 2: power levels are like the highest I've ever been, despite COVID,

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Speaker 2: despite so many awful things that the man has done,

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01:11:07,080 --> 01:11:12,000
Speaker 2: but the centrist push on crime, on homelessness, combined with donor,

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01:11:12,240 --> 01:11:14,000
Speaker 2: combined with he breeds.

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Speaker 3: He can speak.

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Speaker 2: He's not unpopular like Kamala Harris. This is a serious

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Speaker 2: contender absolutely.

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Speaker 1: So you can see very clearly the lane that he

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01:11:24,000 --> 01:11:27,320
Speaker 1: wants to occupy. It's kind of the Pete buddhachicch lane.

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Speaker 1: It's like, I'm gonna be a donor, Darling. I'm gonna

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Speaker 1: have all the money in the world, tech money, Silicon

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Speaker 1: Valley money, tech money and Silicon Valley money in this thing,

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Speaker 1: Hollywood money, all the money in the Democratic Party. I'm

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Speaker 1: going to make sure those donors absolutely love me. And

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna be this like resistance Darling, because this is

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Speaker 1: what Pete always did. I'm gonna go on Fox News,

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01:11:47,880 --> 01:11:50,519
Speaker 1: I'm gonna mix it up. I have endless confidence in

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Speaker 1: my ability to joust with Rohnda Santis or Sean Hannity

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01:11:53,960 --> 01:11:55,960
Speaker 1: or whoever you put in front of me, and they

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01:11:56,040 --> 01:11:59,640
Speaker 1: both are very like verbally skilled in those arenas. I

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Speaker 1: don't think there's any denying it. And so I'm going

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Speaker 1: to have the vibes of being this like fierce resistance

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01:12:06,400 --> 01:12:10,679
Speaker 1: fighter while having this very like status quo donor friendly

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Speaker 1: traditional approach. Listen, I hate it, but a lot of

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Speaker 1: Democratic voters have really found a compelling The media absolutely

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01:12:20,080 --> 01:12:22,680
Speaker 1: eats it up, and so you know, I hate to

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Speaker 1: say it, but I do think it's a like savvy

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Speaker 1: play in terms of how he's positioning himself likely for

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty eight. But if something crazy happened twenty twenty.

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Speaker 3: That's the thing.

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Speaker 2: People are like, oh, are you saying you like Evan.

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Speaker 2: I'm not saying that at all. I don't like Avin Newsom.

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Speaker 2: I can't say Gavin Newsom, but I, as you said, Chrystl,

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Speaker 2: I understand the electorate. This is you got to put

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Speaker 2: it on your analysis hat and look at candidates who

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Speaker 2: are successful and the median voter, the median Democratic voter

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Speaker 2: in this country is a fifty five.

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Speaker 3: Year old white guy with no college degree.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, those people love Gavin. I mean, yeah, it's you

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01:12:53,080 --> 01:12:56,200
Speaker 2: got to understand their media consumption, where they're coming from,

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01:12:56,680 --> 01:13:00,000
Speaker 2: what they actually get animated by when it comes to policy,

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01:13:00,360 --> 01:13:03,080
Speaker 2: like your Thanksgiving table is a far better barometer of

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01:13:03,160 --> 01:13:06,200
Speaker 2: what actual voters and people think about politics and the

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01:13:06,240 --> 01:13:09,160
Speaker 2: type of people who they engage with on that level,

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Speaker 2: and for that, Gavin is absolutely the best position out

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Speaker 2: of any person in the field for that category.

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Speaker 1: Well, here's the other thing, is he's done enough on

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Speaker 1: the like these are all betrayals of progressives obviously, and

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Speaker 1: of labor and love veterans and all kinds of people.

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Speaker 1: But he's done enough on the other side of a

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01:13:27,720 --> 01:13:31,879
Speaker 1: coin to when he wants to talk like he's a progressive.

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Speaker 3: Good point. Twenty dollars a twenty dollars wage.

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Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, fast Fee signed a bill that gave all

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01:13:37,120 --> 01:13:39,800
Speaker 1: fast food workers at large chains twenty dollars an hour

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Speaker 1: in the state of California. And you know they have

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Speaker 1: really I think California may have the lowest uninsured rate

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01:13:45,520 --> 01:13:47,559
Speaker 1: in the country now. So it's not like he's made

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01:13:47,640 --> 01:13:50,639
Speaker 1: no progress in terms of health insurance coverage. The insolent

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01:13:50,720 --> 01:13:53,719
Speaker 1: play is another example here. The push towards the electric

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01:13:53,840 --> 01:13:57,080
Speaker 1: vehicles another example. So there are things that are that

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01:13:57,160 --> 01:13:59,559
Speaker 1: are real that he can point to when he wants

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01:13:59,640 --> 01:14:02,840
Speaker 1: a position himself as a progressive. But when it comes

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Speaker 1: down to key concerns for his base of donors, he's

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01:14:07,160 --> 01:14:09,240
Speaker 1: never going to get crosswise with them. All right. So

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01:14:09,320 --> 01:14:12,599
Speaker 1: we've got another big story that just broke yesterday, which

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Speaker 1: is that, let's go and put this up on the screen.

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Speaker 1: Joe Biden, it appears, has just been interviewed by Special

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Speaker 1: Counsel Robert Herr over that classified documents probe. This happened

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Speaker 1: over the course of two days. Here's the statement from

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Speaker 1: the White House Counsel's Office spokesperson person Ian Sam's the

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Speaker 1: President has been interviewed as part of the investigation being

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Speaker 1: led by Special Counsel Robert Hurr. The voluntary interview was

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Speaker 1: conducted the White House over two days Sunday and Monday,

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Speaker 1: and concluded Monday. As we have said from the beginning,

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Speaker 1: President in White House are cooperating with investigation as it

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01:14:43,920 --> 01:14:48,280
Speaker 1: has been appropriate. We provided relevant updates publicly, blah blah blah.

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Speaker 1: We'd prefer other questions as the Justice Department at this time.

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Speaker 1: So as a reminder, you guys probably know there were

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Speaker 1: a bunch of classified documents after the whole Trump, FBI,

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Speaker 1: mar A Lago Rate, etc. Then they found or revealed

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Speaker 1: that they had found a bunch of classified documents in

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Speaker 1: Joe Biden's home, in particular in his garage, I think,

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Speaker 1: also at an office that he had here in DC

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01:15:08,640 --> 01:15:11,080
Speaker 1: as part of one of his like think tank centers

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Speaker 1: that he put his name on, and quite a number

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Speaker 1: of documents. We don't know a whole lot about what

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Speaker 1: they contained. One thing that you know, they would point

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Speaker 1: to and I think is accurate. That's different is there

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01:15:21,560 --> 01:15:24,600
Speaker 1: doesn't appear to have been the level of obstruction and

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01:15:24,640 --> 01:15:28,040
Speaker 1: trying to hide these documents and fighting with the you know,

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Speaker 1: with the folks who were trying to bring them back

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01:15:31,040 --> 01:15:34,639
Speaker 1: when they were subpoenaed as in the Trump instance. However,

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01:15:35,560 --> 01:15:39,080
Speaker 1: this is obviously not great for him, and a reminder

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01:15:39,360 --> 01:15:43,120
Speaker 1: that you know, this is an ongoing investigation and listen,

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01:15:43,200 --> 01:15:45,479
Speaker 1: if we care about how classified documents are handled, then

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01:15:45,479 --> 01:15:47,120
Speaker 1: you got to care about him, whether it's a Democrat

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01:15:47,200 --> 01:15:48,880
Speaker 1: or Republican who is mishandling them.

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Speaker 2: And also, you know, this should be a bit of

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01:15:51,360 --> 01:15:54,200
Speaker 2: a scandal because there was a lot of questions or

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Speaker 2: where the hell is Biden?

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Speaker 3: What is he doing?

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Speaker 2: Nobody knows where the hell he has been over the

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Speaker 2: last two days. You know, during the Israel it is typical,

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Speaker 2: but it was even more than normal. Like, for example,

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Speaker 2: on the day of the attack on Israel, they were

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01:16:09,760 --> 01:16:12,120
Speaker 2: having like a White House barbecue, which was the only

1506
01:16:12,200 --> 01:16:13,479
Speaker 2: publicly scheduled thing.

1507
01:16:13,560 --> 01:16:16,080
Speaker 3: All they did was put out written statements. He appeared

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01:16:16,120 --> 01:16:16,599
Speaker 3: on camera.

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01:16:16,720 --> 01:16:19,439
Speaker 2: Then later on the next day, yesterday, the White House

1510
01:16:19,600 --> 01:16:23,360
Speaker 2: had no publicly scheduled events, and then the statement drops

1511
01:16:23,479 --> 01:16:25,280
Speaker 2: in the middle of the night, of course, during a

1512
01:16:25,360 --> 01:16:28,720
Speaker 2: major international crisis where the President sat for almost two

1513
01:16:28,880 --> 01:16:32,800
Speaker 2: whole days with this investigator. So clearly they're trying to

1514
01:16:32,880 --> 01:16:34,960
Speaker 2: bury it. And I think you've got very convenient timing

1515
01:16:35,240 --> 01:16:37,479
Speaker 2: in terms of what's going on with Israel, because it

1516
01:16:37,560 --> 01:16:40,200
Speaker 2: is a reminder that it turns out that all of

1517
01:16:40,320 --> 01:16:43,439
Speaker 2: these guys think they are above the law. They really

1518
01:16:43,560 --> 01:16:47,080
Speaker 2: believe that the classified documents are theirs. It's like a

1519
01:16:47,280 --> 01:16:51,040
Speaker 2: height of narcissism. And I don't particularly care because a

1520
01:16:51,040 --> 01:16:52,880
Speaker 2: lot of these are probably out of date or all

1521
01:16:52,920 --> 01:16:53,040
Speaker 2: of that.

1522
01:16:53,439 --> 01:16:54,759
Speaker 3: It's just more the idea.

1523
01:16:54,920 --> 01:16:57,479
Speaker 2: Like in one case with the Biden docs, they're stored

1524
01:16:57,920 --> 01:17:00,280
Speaker 2: in his garage where he keeps his Corvette, which is

1525
01:17:00,320 --> 01:17:02,639
Speaker 2: why they're safe. But just to give you an idea

1526
01:17:02,640 --> 01:17:06,839
Speaker 2: of how personal he thought, they were intermingled with files

1527
01:17:07,160 --> 01:17:10,639
Speaker 2: that described like his son's funeral, right, It's like that's

1528
01:17:10,680 --> 01:17:14,280
Speaker 2: the level of person of how personal that they felt

1529
01:17:14,320 --> 01:17:17,720
Speaker 2: that these documents were theirs and they're not. It just

1530
01:17:17,760 --> 01:17:20,559
Speaker 2: shows the staff and them and how they really believe

1531
01:17:20,640 --> 01:17:22,760
Speaker 2: that they can do whatever they want. There are so

1532
01:17:22,880 --> 01:17:24,880
Speaker 2: many things in which the president of vice presidents, some

1533
01:17:24,880 --> 01:17:27,439
Speaker 2: of these people, they really believe that they're kings.

1534
01:17:27,520 --> 01:17:31,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, because remember that Mike Pence the same.

1535
01:17:30,920 --> 01:17:31,760
Speaker 3: Thing, you know.

1536
01:17:31,880 --> 01:17:33,960
Speaker 2: It's and oh it turns that Jimmy Carter did the

1537
01:17:34,000 --> 01:17:36,439
Speaker 2: same thing, you know. And it's just so many of

1538
01:17:36,479 --> 01:17:39,880
Speaker 2: these people Hillary Hillary, Oh that's all the Hillary wok.

1539
01:17:40,520 --> 01:17:42,560
Speaker 2: It's been a long time, but that one is so

1540
01:17:42,760 --> 01:17:46,000
Speaker 2: much worse than anyone else. Gets to the whole like

1541
01:17:46,200 --> 01:17:48,519
Speaker 2: I'm special, I'm the most important personal.

1542
01:17:48,640 --> 01:17:50,200
Speaker 1: I think she should have been charged. I don't think

1543
01:17:50,200 --> 01:17:52,280
Speaker 1: hers is worse than Trump though, just in terms of

1544
01:17:52,400 --> 01:17:55,880
Speaker 1: the level of classification that he held, and now the

1545
01:17:55,920 --> 01:17:58,400
Speaker 1: reports that he was like you know, blabandos trying to

1546
01:17:58,479 --> 01:18:03,360
Speaker 1: sell like what was missile systems to Australian black volts

1547
01:18:03,960 --> 01:18:04,719
Speaker 1: clear information.

1548
01:18:05,040 --> 01:18:07,360
Speaker 2: The whole Australian billionaire thing that I'm not to say

1549
01:18:07,400 --> 01:18:10,759
Speaker 2: it's been totally debunked, but some of the reporting questions

1550
01:18:10,800 --> 01:18:13,160
Speaker 2: around that, I'm just saying in terms of that, I'm

1551
01:18:13,200 --> 01:18:16,120
Speaker 2: not denying I agree with you had bad classified information.

1552
01:18:16,520 --> 01:18:19,800
Speaker 1: They had very highly classified information. And then when they

1553
01:18:19,840 --> 01:18:21,760
Speaker 1: were like you need to give this back, he was like,

1554
01:18:22,320 --> 01:18:26,479
Speaker 1: what information? And then he's secretly out allegedly blah blah blah.

1555
01:18:26,720 --> 01:18:30,639
Speaker 1: He's telling his staff and his maintenance workers to move

1556
01:18:30,760 --> 01:18:33,720
Speaker 1: boxes around to hide the stuff. We're talking and we're

1557
01:18:33,720 --> 01:18:35,960
Speaker 1: talking about like, you know, not the not the type

1558
01:18:36,000 --> 01:18:39,360
Speaker 1: of thing that's like bullshit classified, which much of classified

1559
01:18:39,400 --> 01:18:42,639
Speaker 1: information is bullshit classified. We're talking about stuff that is like, Okay,

1560
01:18:42,960 --> 01:18:45,040
Speaker 1: if you're going to have anything be secret, this should

1561
01:18:45,080 --> 01:18:48,800
Speaker 1: be probably secret. So I do think his is an

1562
01:18:48,920 --> 01:18:52,080
Speaker 1: order of magnitude different than the she was secretary of State.

1563
01:18:52,400 --> 01:18:53,439
Speaker 3: Don't forget about the bleep.

1564
01:18:53,520 --> 01:18:56,479
Speaker 1: Yeah, but there was nothing like that was that that

1565
01:18:56,640 --> 01:18:58,679
Speaker 1: we know of. That's fair that we now listen again,

1566
01:18:58,760 --> 01:19:00,880
Speaker 1: I think she should have been charged. So I'm in

1567
01:19:01,000 --> 01:19:03,920
Speaker 1: favor of indictments all around. That's my state of position.

1568
01:19:06,840 --> 01:19:10,559
Speaker 1: Next piece we wanted to bring you here is there's

1569
01:19:10,640 --> 01:19:17,000
Speaker 1: an interesting rift that has been revealed or exacerbated or

1570
01:19:17,280 --> 01:19:20,120
Speaker 1: underscored by what's going on with Israel and Gaza right

1571
01:19:20,160 --> 01:19:23,240
Speaker 1: now within the Democratic Party. And yesterday we talked to

1572
01:19:23,280 --> 01:19:26,880
Speaker 1: you about the numbers in terms of Gallup and how

1573
01:19:27,040 --> 01:19:29,960
Speaker 1: much there has been a shift within the Democratic base

1574
01:19:30,479 --> 01:19:34,400
Speaker 1: that is reflected by a few Democratic members of Congress

1575
01:19:34,760 --> 01:19:37,400
Speaker 1: in terms of who their sympathies were taking this particular

1576
01:19:37,479 --> 01:19:40,400
Speaker 1: situation out of it, who with whom their sympathies lie

1577
01:19:40,720 --> 01:19:44,240
Speaker 1: more in the conflict between Israel and Palestine. You now

1578
01:19:44,280 --> 01:19:47,680
Speaker 1: have a majority of Democrats who say their sympathies are

1579
01:19:47,840 --> 01:19:51,479
Speaker 1: more with the Palestinians than they are with Israel. That

1580
01:19:51,640 --> 01:19:54,040
Speaker 1: is a dramatic shift over the past decade or so.

1581
01:19:54,360 --> 01:19:57,479
Speaker 1: It's a new development. I think it's led largely by

1582
01:19:58,120 --> 01:20:01,080
Speaker 1: young people who have a very different view of this

1583
01:20:01,240 --> 01:20:04,559
Speaker 1: conflict than their parents do, even you know, Democratic parents.

1584
01:20:04,840 --> 01:20:06,920
Speaker 1: As I said, it's reflected in a few of the

1585
01:20:07,479 --> 01:20:11,160
Speaker 1: younger squad members who have been elected Corey bush Rashida

1586
01:20:11,240 --> 01:20:15,320
Speaker 1: talib ilhan Omar and others at various moments depending on

1587
01:20:15,439 --> 01:20:19,080
Speaker 1: how they're feeling. And so you have also had this

1588
01:20:19,520 --> 01:20:24,679
Speaker 1: schism really open up over on the Democratic Party's party

1589
01:20:24,880 --> 01:20:29,639
Speaker 1: organ media, which is MSNBC. So you had the head

1590
01:20:29,680 --> 01:20:32,920
Speaker 1: of the ADL, the Anti Defamation League, go on Morning

1591
01:20:33,040 --> 01:20:39,400
Speaker 1: Joe and really blast the network's coverage of this current

1592
01:20:39,800 --> 01:20:44,240
Speaker 1: Israel Gaza conflict in quite unsparing terms. Let's take a

1593
01:20:44,280 --> 01:20:45,680
Speaker 1: listen to what he had to say.

1594
01:20:46,800 --> 01:20:50,040
Speaker 11: So, while I am sad and cope trying to cope,

1595
01:20:50,320 --> 01:20:53,240
Speaker 11: I'll be honest, I am angry. I am angry with

1596
01:20:53,360 --> 01:20:58,600
Speaker 11: the world that allowed the dehumanization of Israelis and sanitized

1597
01:20:59,200 --> 01:21:02,439
Speaker 11: the terrorism of I must say, I love this show,

1598
01:21:02,960 --> 01:21:05,599
Speaker 11: and I love this network, but I've got to ask

1599
01:21:05,720 --> 01:21:10,320
Speaker 11: who is writing the scripts Hamas the people who did this.

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01:21:10,479 --> 01:21:13,479
Speaker 11: They are not fighters, Jonathan, They are not militants, and

1601
01:21:13,479 --> 01:21:17,200
Speaker 11: I'm looking right at the camera. They are terrorists. It

1602
01:21:17,360 --> 01:21:24,280
Speaker 11: is a barbarian who rapes and brutalizes women, who tear

1603
01:21:24,800 --> 01:21:33,040
Speaker 11: kills children in front of their parents, and then brings

1604
01:21:33,120 --> 01:21:37,360
Speaker 11: them over to Gaza, who literally we've heard all these

1605
01:21:37,439 --> 01:21:40,320
Speaker 11: reports and we know these aren't just reports. These were

1606
01:21:40,520 --> 01:21:46,880
Speaker 11: filmed gleefully by the barbarians who committed these grotesque crimes them.

1607
01:21:47,200 --> 01:21:50,760
Speaker 11: So I just think, like, guys, get this story right,

1608
01:21:50,800 --> 01:21:55,920
Speaker 11: and all these pictures of like you know, missiles or

1609
01:21:56,000 --> 01:21:59,800
Speaker 11: the rubble in Gaza. Please talk to the Israeli mother

1610
01:22:00,320 --> 01:22:06,680
Speaker 11: and fathers who lost their children, talk to the grandchildren

1611
01:22:06,720 --> 01:22:12,200
Speaker 11: whose grandparents were seized as hostages, and please stop calling

1612
01:22:12,280 --> 01:22:13,320
Speaker 11: this a retaliation.

1613
01:22:14,040 --> 01:22:16,800
Speaker 1: So there's a lot I could say about that. I'm

1614
01:22:16,920 --> 01:22:20,600
Speaker 1: going to hold off for a moment because based on

1615
01:22:20,680 --> 01:22:25,680
Speaker 1: his commentary, you would think that MSNBC was like go Hamas, yes, right,

1616
01:22:26,040 --> 01:22:30,439
Speaker 1: yay for the murdered Israelis, that there was no images

1617
01:22:30,560 --> 01:22:34,120
Speaker 1: of the Israeli bloodshed, no compassions for the Israeli citizens.

1618
01:22:34,479 --> 01:22:36,600
Speaker 1: And what he's really alluding to here, even though he

1619
01:22:36,680 --> 01:22:39,640
Speaker 1: doesn't come out and name names, is three anchors in particular,

1620
01:22:40,240 --> 01:22:44,200
Speaker 1: Amon Moyldan, Mehdi Hassan and Ali Felshi, all of which

1621
01:22:44,280 --> 01:22:47,160
Speaker 1: have international backgrounds, many of whom have covered this conflict

1622
01:22:47,280 --> 01:22:49,519
Speaker 1: on the ground for a long time or have roots

1623
01:22:49,560 --> 01:22:52,240
Speaker 1: directly in the region. So I want to play for

1624
01:22:52,400 --> 01:22:55,719
Speaker 1: you a little bit of the commentary that he's reacting

1625
01:22:55,840 --> 01:22:59,519
Speaker 1: to to show you I think the distance between how

1626
01:22:59,560 --> 01:23:03,200
Speaker 1: he's traying it as being like Hammas talking points versus

1627
01:23:03,320 --> 01:23:06,240
Speaker 1: how they were actually speaking about the conflict let's take

1628
01:23:06,240 --> 01:23:06,600
Speaker 1: a listen to.

1629
01:23:06,560 --> 01:23:07,080
Speaker 2: Know a little of that.

1630
01:23:07,520 --> 01:23:09,280
Speaker 12: When we talk about Gaza in the West. For a

1631
01:23:09,320 --> 01:23:13,320
Speaker 12: lot of people, it's very easy to conflate Hamas, which

1632
01:23:13,360 --> 01:23:16,040
Speaker 12: is a militant group that carries out acts of vicious terror,

1633
01:23:16,080 --> 01:23:19,519
Speaker 12: as they did this weekend, with Gaza, which is a

1634
01:23:19,680 --> 01:23:24,120
Speaker 12: place that contains two point two million people Alex, half

1635
01:23:24,160 --> 01:23:26,760
Speaker 12: of them children. Half of the two point two million

1636
01:23:26,800 --> 01:23:29,120
Speaker 12: people are children, and it's one of the most densely

1637
01:23:29,240 --> 01:23:31,960
Speaker 12: populated places on planet Earth. You've got two point two

1638
01:23:32,000 --> 01:23:35,599
Speaker 12: million people crowded into one hundred and forty one square miles,

1639
01:23:35,840 --> 01:23:39,719
Speaker 12: So they automatically become the victims of Israeli airstructs because

1640
01:23:39,760 --> 01:23:42,680
Speaker 12: it's so crowded, because it's so densely populated, and it's

1641
01:23:42,760 --> 01:23:45,320
Speaker 12: basically like living Alex in an open air prison.

1642
01:23:45,479 --> 01:23:48,439
Speaker 13: Cognition of anything that has been going on, let alone,

1643
01:23:48,560 --> 01:23:50,320
Speaker 13: the only thing Americans are worried about these days are

1644
01:23:50,360 --> 01:23:53,599
Speaker 13: these so called judicial reforms going on in Israel, which

1645
01:23:53,600 --> 01:23:56,040
Speaker 13: have led to hundreds of thousands of people protesting on

1646
01:23:56,120 --> 01:23:59,120
Speaker 13: the street. But lots of Palestinians have said to me, boy,

1647
01:23:59,360 --> 01:24:01,519
Speaker 13: they wish that the those same Israelis who were out

1648
01:24:01,560 --> 01:24:05,040
Speaker 13: there protesting the so called judicial reforms would be protesting

1649
01:24:05,200 --> 01:24:10,160
Speaker 13: Israel's inhumane treatment of the Palestinians who live under Israeli occupation.

1650
01:24:10,320 --> 01:24:14,639
Speaker 7: But what is the objective of Israel invading the Gaza strip?

1651
01:24:14,800 --> 01:24:14,920
Speaker 4: Right?

1652
01:24:15,120 --> 01:24:18,439
Speaker 7: Because I emphasized this point for those of us who

1653
01:24:18,479 --> 01:24:23,479
Speaker 7: have been following this conflict for years, Israel has already

1654
01:24:23,520 --> 01:24:26,880
Speaker 7: assassinated and killed the most senior Hames militant officials. They

1655
01:24:26,920 --> 01:24:30,360
Speaker 7: have killed the spiritual leader of Hamas, They've arrested dozens

1656
01:24:30,640 --> 01:24:33,200
Speaker 7: of Hamasa. They can achieve that, they can achieve that

1657
01:24:33,240 --> 01:24:34,960
Speaker 7: they have achieved, that they've done that, They've done that,

1658
01:24:35,240 --> 01:24:38,040
Speaker 7: And my point is what you're going to see, certainly

1659
01:24:38,080 --> 01:24:42,080
Speaker 7: within Israel's security apparatus is a debate. Whether that is

1660
01:24:42,160 --> 01:24:45,639
Speaker 7: public or transparent is not going to be as clear cut.

1661
01:24:45,960 --> 01:24:48,400
Speaker 7: But Israeli military officials that I've spoken to over the

1662
01:24:48,520 --> 01:24:52,440
Speaker 7: years have debated whether or not the siege, the blockade

1663
01:24:53,040 --> 01:24:56,040
Speaker 7: was achieving israel strategic objective of trying to bring calm

1664
01:24:56,120 --> 01:24:57,559
Speaker 7: and quiet to the southern borders.

1665
01:24:57,800 --> 01:25:01,719
Speaker 1: Every one of those individuals acknowledged, and Mettie I've listened

1666
01:25:01,760 --> 01:25:04,240
Speaker 1: to a lot of his commentary. He's very clear that

1667
01:25:04,400 --> 01:25:07,400
Speaker 1: what Hammas did is an atrocity, It's a war crime.

1668
01:25:07,640 --> 01:25:10,640
Speaker 1: He's just also trying to acknowledge the war crimes that

1669
01:25:11,120 --> 01:25:13,800
Speaker 1: Israel's committing and the broader context, as we've tried to

1670
01:25:13,840 --> 01:25:16,519
Speaker 1: do very carefully here as well. And so when I

1671
01:25:16,680 --> 01:25:21,040
Speaker 1: hear the ADL dude talking about how, you know, where

1672
01:25:21,120 --> 01:25:23,880
Speaker 1: did this dehumanization of Israelis come from? It doesn't seem

1673
01:25:23,920 --> 01:25:26,479
Speaker 1: to me that Israelis are being dehumanized. It seems to

1674
01:25:26,560 --> 01:25:31,320
Speaker 1: me what he's upset about is Palestinians being humanized. And

1675
01:25:31,439 --> 01:25:34,240
Speaker 1: so when he says he said, quote, get the story right,

1676
01:25:34,600 --> 01:25:38,320
Speaker 1: and he was very upset about images of rubble in Gaza, Well,

1677
01:25:38,400 --> 01:25:41,559
Speaker 1: how are you going to tell the accurate story if

1678
01:25:41,600 --> 01:25:44,799
Speaker 1: you're not showing the images of the rubble in Gaza

1679
01:25:44,880 --> 01:25:48,439
Speaker 1: as you were, of course also highlighting and acknowledging and

1680
01:25:48,560 --> 01:25:52,840
Speaker 1: empathizing with the pain, suffering, death and carnage that was

1681
01:25:52,880 --> 01:25:54,080
Speaker 1: inflicted on the Israeli citizen.

1682
01:25:54,160 --> 01:25:54,760
Speaker 3: It's funny, Chris.

1683
01:25:54,960 --> 01:25:56,840
Speaker 2: You know, I get a lot of messages people are like,

1684
01:25:56,920 --> 01:25:58,880
Speaker 2: when are you going to speak up for Israel? And

1685
01:25:58,920 --> 01:26:00,920
Speaker 2: I'm like, I didn't know that I had to. I'm

1686
01:26:00,960 --> 01:26:03,559
Speaker 2: a citizen of the United States. I feel very bad

1687
01:26:03,720 --> 01:26:05,960
Speaker 2: and horrible. I've been to Israel, I spent a lot

1688
01:26:06,000 --> 01:26:08,760
Speaker 2: of time there. I have friends in the IDF. I

1689
01:26:09,280 --> 01:26:11,679
Speaker 2: have nothing but sympathy for so many of the people

1690
01:26:11,680 --> 01:26:14,080
Speaker 2: who are killed there. But as I said on yesterday's show,

1691
01:26:14,360 --> 01:26:16,520
Speaker 2: I also have a lot of good friends who are Palestinian,

1692
01:26:16,760 --> 01:26:19,000
Speaker 2: and so I actually consider it a blessing that I

1693
01:26:19,200 --> 01:26:21,080
Speaker 2: know people who are actually on both sides. Some of

1694
01:26:21,120 --> 01:26:23,479
Speaker 2: these people hate each other, they've never even met before.

1695
01:26:23,760 --> 01:26:26,360
Speaker 2: But my life has taken me around the world, and

1696
01:26:26,920 --> 01:26:29,320
Speaker 2: I've just learned through a lot of these conflicts. Black

1697
01:26:29,360 --> 01:26:32,360
Speaker 2: and white thinking will get to you nowhere saying oh,

1698
01:26:32,560 --> 01:26:35,840
Speaker 2: you have to just unequivocally, you know, back one side.

1699
01:26:35,920 --> 01:26:38,799
Speaker 2: I don't operate that way, not with Russia and Ukraine,

1700
01:26:39,200 --> 01:26:42,439
Speaker 2: not even when it's unpopular. You don't operate that way either.

1701
01:26:42,840 --> 01:26:45,559
Speaker 2: That's just not what we do here. Unfortunately a lot

1702
01:26:45,600 --> 01:26:47,200
Speaker 2: of our media that's how that's how they want to

1703
01:26:47,240 --> 01:26:50,960
Speaker 2: portray everything. And listen, you were being used if you

1704
01:26:51,000 --> 01:26:54,960
Speaker 2: want that, because I'm watching you know, all of this

1705
01:26:55,520 --> 01:26:58,519
Speaker 2: march towards Oh. The US has got a back up,

1706
01:26:58,520 --> 01:27:00,960
Speaker 2: the US carrier Strack Group has got to get involved

1707
01:27:01,240 --> 01:27:03,760
Speaker 2: in Gaza that is a nightmare. Now we're going to

1708
01:27:03,800 --> 01:27:06,280
Speaker 2: get into a war with Iran. There are millions of

1709
01:27:06,360 --> 01:27:09,600
Speaker 2: people who live in Iran. I lost people in the

1710
01:27:09,640 --> 01:27:13,080
Speaker 2: war in Iraq, you know, I mean known people who

1711
01:27:13,240 --> 01:27:14,920
Speaker 2: died in so many of these conflicts. This is the

1712
01:27:15,080 --> 01:27:17,599
Speaker 2: last thing that we need and the scars of Iraq

1713
01:27:17,760 --> 01:27:21,040
Speaker 2: on media. That's why I'm in this job today. I

1714
01:27:21,080 --> 01:27:23,920
Speaker 2: don't subscribe to black and white narratives any of you,

1715
01:27:24,000 --> 01:27:26,080
Speaker 2: because I think both of us are sitting here very

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01:27:26,200 --> 01:27:29,559
Speaker 2: much for that reason of watching people get killed, slaughtered,

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01:27:29,640 --> 01:27:32,760
Speaker 2: loose limbs and all that ultimately really for nothing. And

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01:27:33,200 --> 01:27:36,200
Speaker 2: it's very difficult, you know, to sit and to watch

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01:27:36,320 --> 01:27:39,200
Speaker 2: like the same beat and the war drum happen when

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01:27:40,000 --> 01:27:41,479
Speaker 2: we don't have to be that way.

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Speaker 3: So we will never cover conflict that way. And that's

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01:27:43,840 --> 01:27:46,400
Speaker 3: effectively what Jonathan and Greenblad is a one hundred.

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Speaker 1: Percent I mean, to me, the most revealing thing that

1724
01:27:49,560 --> 01:27:53,519
Speaker 1: he said is get the story right. And I think

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01:27:53,720 --> 01:27:56,920
Speaker 1: it's really and he's mad about, oh, how dare you

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01:27:57,120 --> 01:28:00,280
Speaker 1: show the suffering in Gaza? How dare you talk about

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01:28:00,479 --> 01:28:04,080
Speaker 1: anything else that's going on except for the things I

1728
01:28:04,240 --> 01:28:07,720
Speaker 1: want you to talk about, Because he wants this to

1729
01:28:07,880 --> 01:28:12,120
Speaker 1: be as disnified a narrative as the Russia Ukraine narrative is.

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01:28:12,680 --> 01:28:15,839
Speaker 1: And that's what Cablins does. I mean, even putting aside

1731
01:28:15,920 --> 01:28:22,360
Speaker 1: the extreme and understandable emotion around blood, death, war, carnage, etc.

1732
01:28:22,960 --> 01:28:24,920
Speaker 1: This is what they do with Democrats and republic This

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01:28:25,120 --> 01:28:26,920
Speaker 1: is the good guys. This is the bad guys. Let

1734
01:28:26,960 --> 01:28:29,680
Speaker 1: me give you the Disney version of American politics. That's

1735
01:28:29,760 --> 01:28:33,160
Speaker 1: all they know how to do, that's all their formats

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01:28:33,200 --> 01:28:35,800
Speaker 1: are set up to do. And so the fact that

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01:28:35,920 --> 01:28:39,640
Speaker 1: you have a few voices who happen on this particular

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01:28:39,760 --> 01:28:44,080
Speaker 1: issue to have personal experience, have reported on it for

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01:28:44,200 --> 01:28:45,920
Speaker 1: a long time. You know, if you listen to what

1740
01:28:46,000 --> 01:28:49,559
Speaker 1: Aiman said, it was very thoughtful. He clearly has deep

1741
01:28:49,680 --> 01:28:53,160
Speaker 1: knowledge about the history in the region, Compassion on both

1742
01:28:53,240 --> 01:28:57,000
Speaker 1: sides of the issue, no doubt about it. And it's

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01:28:57,080 --> 01:28:59,760
Speaker 1: a war on any kind of nuance, No, you are

1744
01:28:59,880 --> 01:29:03,679
Speaker 1: not allowed. You can only choose one side to reflect

1745
01:29:03,720 --> 01:29:04,400
Speaker 1: their humanity.

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01:29:04,640 --> 01:29:05,000
Speaker 2: That's it.

1747
01:29:05,560 --> 01:29:07,840
Speaker 1: And so I do think, even as the media is

1748
01:29:07,960 --> 01:29:11,800
Speaker 1: still overwhelmingly one sided on this issue, the fact that

1749
01:29:11,880 --> 01:29:14,120
Speaker 1: you have any sort of nuance in the New York Times,

1750
01:29:14,760 --> 01:29:18,000
Speaker 1: any sort of nuanced CNN had a few interviews that were,

1751
01:29:18,160 --> 01:29:21,479
Speaker 1: you know, with actual Palestinian voices that you have a

1752
01:29:21,520 --> 01:29:24,920
Speaker 1: few anchors on MSNBC who are able to articulate a

1753
01:29:25,000 --> 01:29:28,880
Speaker 1: different view. They see this as a real threat to

1754
01:29:29,360 --> 01:29:33,320
Speaker 1: you know, the lack hold that they've had bipartisan locke

1755
01:29:33,400 --> 01:29:36,479
Speaker 1: that they've had on American politics for you know, for

1756
01:29:36,760 --> 01:29:38,280
Speaker 1: years and years and years and years and years.

1757
01:29:38,680 --> 01:29:41,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I just you know, it's like thinking about

1758
01:29:41,280 --> 01:29:43,680
Speaker 2: how he's get the story right and all of that.

1759
01:29:44,439 --> 01:29:48,120
Speaker 2: That is pure propaganda all of us have. And what's

1760
01:29:48,240 --> 01:29:49,680
Speaker 2: crazy to me is some of the people who are

1761
01:29:49,680 --> 01:29:53,040
Speaker 2: buying into this are the exact ones who are screaming

1762
01:29:53,080 --> 01:29:55,920
Speaker 2: about oh or being propaganda guys about Ukraine. It's like

1763
01:29:55,960 --> 01:29:58,519
Speaker 2: what you think is only about Ukraine, It's about everything people.

1764
01:29:58,640 --> 01:29:59,320
Speaker 3: That's why you got to.

1765
01:29:59,280 --> 01:30:01,519
Speaker 2: Actually wake up being asked, like what you're being used

1766
01:30:01,560 --> 01:30:03,240
Speaker 2: in propagandized towards.

1767
01:30:03,120 --> 01:30:04,720
Speaker 1: They want the Disney version on this one.

1768
01:30:04,840 --> 01:30:06,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, Iraq was not Disney and we all found that

1769
01:30:06,960 --> 01:30:09,639
Speaker 2: out the hard way. Ukraine's not Disney either. We're finding

1770
01:30:09,760 --> 01:30:12,840
Speaker 2: that out the hard way right now. Afghanistan wasn't Disney.

1771
01:30:12,920 --> 01:30:15,240
Speaker 2: You know, it wasn't just all about liberating girls' schools.

1772
01:30:15,320 --> 01:30:18,200
Speaker 2: It wasn't so simple, and it wasn't so easy. It's like,

1773
01:30:18,240 --> 01:30:20,200
Speaker 2: I don't know, it's Syria, same one. It's like, yeah,

1774
01:30:20,400 --> 01:30:22,320
Speaker 2: we watched the horror of Aleppo and then we found

1775
01:30:22,320 --> 01:30:23,720
Speaker 2: out that the guy's fighting on the other side of

1776
01:30:23,760 --> 01:30:26,400
Speaker 2: freaking out Kaieda. It's like, what do you do? That's

1777
01:30:26,439 --> 01:30:29,600
Speaker 2: what That's what the actual conflict is. And until you

1778
01:30:29,960 --> 01:30:32,559
Speaker 2: understand that that, you're really not going to get anywhere.

1779
01:30:32,680 --> 01:30:35,000
Speaker 2: But you know, in some ways it's actually helpful because

1780
01:30:35,000 --> 01:30:37,160
Speaker 2: it just means that only places like us who can't

1781
01:30:37,160 --> 01:30:40,160
Speaker 2: get muzzled for saying what we actually think, are going

1782
01:30:40,240 --> 01:30:42,920
Speaker 2: to be able to prosper and survive in this. However,

1783
01:30:43,000 --> 01:30:45,320
Speaker 2: I do think it's unfortunate, you know, that people take

1784
01:30:45,400 --> 01:30:49,240
Speaker 2: margin he's such a partisan Cretan too, because this is

1785
01:30:49,360 --> 01:30:52,519
Speaker 2: all based on his ideology of censorship, of what he

1786
01:30:52,640 --> 01:30:55,040
Speaker 2: was doing with Twitter about you know, leveraging and making

1787
01:30:55,080 --> 01:30:57,560
Speaker 2: sure that any criticism of Israel in the past is

1788
01:30:58,240 --> 01:31:03,720
Speaker 2: conflated directly with anti Semitism, using his organization effectively as

1789
01:31:03,720 --> 01:31:06,799
Speaker 2: an enforcer for like the you know, like liberal elite

1790
01:31:07,160 --> 01:31:08,000
Speaker 2: in the country, and.

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01:31:08,200 --> 01:31:09,680
Speaker 3: That that's why they do it.

1792
01:31:09,760 --> 01:31:11,960
Speaker 2: They do it for this reason, because it works because

1793
01:31:12,000 --> 01:31:14,920
Speaker 2: you and you know this some the sting of that

1794
01:31:15,040 --> 01:31:18,599
Speaker 2: criticism being felt high up, you know within MSNBC.

1795
01:31:18,760 --> 01:31:20,360
Speaker 3: You know it's going to have an impact.

1796
01:31:20,520 --> 01:31:23,800
Speaker 2: You'd be lying these people uh Medi and Aiman and

1797
01:31:23,840 --> 01:31:25,760
Speaker 2: all these people, they would be lying if they said

1798
01:31:26,040 --> 01:31:27,880
Speaker 2: that that wouldn't have an impact on the way they

1799
01:31:28,000 --> 01:31:29,640
Speaker 2: have to think about that when they go on.

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Speaker 1: It's human. Even if I would not be surprised.

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01:31:32,320 --> 01:31:33,360
Speaker 3: I'm saying they will do anything.

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01:31:33,360 --> 01:31:36,320
Speaker 1: I have no inside knowledge to what sort of discussions

1803
01:31:36,360 --> 01:31:38,800
Speaker 1: have happened at Amason to be stealing. Make that clear.

1804
01:31:39,120 --> 01:31:41,200
Speaker 1: Would I be surprised if there was a direct talking

1805
01:31:41,240 --> 01:31:43,320
Speaker 1: to No, But does there even have to be a

1806
01:31:43,400 --> 01:31:46,240
Speaker 1: direct talk No, absolutely not. You think they didn't see

1807
01:31:46,280 --> 01:31:48,320
Speaker 1: that segment. Of course they saw that segment, and they

1808
01:31:48,439 --> 01:31:50,519
Speaker 1: know that there is a lot of there is a

1809
01:31:50,600 --> 01:31:52,679
Speaker 1: lot of pressure to conform. They know the things they're

1810
01:31:52,680 --> 01:31:54,719
Speaker 1: supposed to say, they know the things that they're supposed

1811
01:31:54,720 --> 01:31:58,200
Speaker 1: to highlight, and it's very difficult if you're in an

1812
01:31:58,320 --> 01:32:02,000
Speaker 1: organization over time not to at least capitulate to that

1813
01:32:02,320 --> 01:32:06,320
Speaker 1: in some respect. So respect to them for you know,

1814
01:32:06,479 --> 01:32:10,040
Speaker 1: daring to say that Gazin's also are human beings, and

1815
01:32:10,120 --> 01:32:13,040
Speaker 1: that you know this conflict didn't just start four days ago,

1816
01:32:13,560 --> 01:32:18,400
Speaker 1: that there's a broader context that doesn't justify murder of

1817
01:32:18,640 --> 01:32:22,120
Speaker 1: Israeli citizens. Literally, no one on MSNBC is saying that

1818
01:32:22,400 --> 01:32:24,840
Speaker 1: at all. I have not seen that whatsoever. They're not

1819
01:32:25,040 --> 01:32:28,559
Speaker 1: justifying Israeli death. But if you want to actually understand viewers,

1820
01:32:28,840 --> 01:32:32,120
Speaker 1: help viewers understand what's happening here, you have to give

1821
01:32:32,280 --> 01:32:35,479
Speaker 1: the history you have to people. Help people understand where

1822
01:32:35,600 --> 01:32:39,160
Speaker 1: Hamas came from and how they gained power and why

1823
01:32:39,200 --> 01:32:41,439
Speaker 1: they're in this position to start with, and the way

1824
01:32:41,560 --> 01:32:43,920
Speaker 1: that Natan Yaha's we talked to today found them to

1825
01:32:43,960 --> 01:32:46,680
Speaker 1: be a useful foil and bolstered them, and how the

1826
01:32:46,800 --> 01:32:49,360
Speaker 1: US was also complicit in helping to bring them to

1827
01:32:49,479 --> 01:32:52,519
Speaker 1: power and all of that, and understanding that you know

1828
01:32:52,560 --> 01:32:55,120
Speaker 1: the lives of people within Gaza. If you're going to

1829
01:32:55,160 --> 01:32:57,240
Speaker 1: tell complete story, you got to tell complete story, not

1830
01:32:57,320 --> 01:33:01,000
Speaker 1: quote unquote get the story right as approved by the ADL.

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01:33:01,320 --> 01:33:02,040
Speaker 3: Well there you go.

1832
01:33:02,240 --> 01:33:03,799
Speaker 2: I guess we can all agree. At least the ADL

1833
01:33:03,880 --> 01:33:07,639
Speaker 2: is bad for a long time. My Disney version, thank

1834
01:33:07,680 --> 01:33:10,360
Speaker 2: you for Yeah, that's my Disney thank you for sticking

1835
01:33:10,439 --> 01:33:11,640
Speaker 2: with us. We really appreciate it.

1836
01:33:11,640 --> 01:33:13,360
Speaker 3: It was a tough show. We try our best.

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01:33:13,439 --> 01:33:14,000
Speaker 1: We just stacked it.

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01:33:14,080 --> 01:33:16,280
Speaker 2: We've got We had a lot of important Israel developments.

1839
01:33:16,280 --> 01:33:19,000
Speaker 2: We also had a lot of important domestic developments. We'll

1840
01:33:19,000 --> 01:33:22,080
Speaker 2: see and continue to track everything. We've got counterpoints for

1841
01:33:22,160 --> 01:33:24,800
Speaker 2: everybody tomorrow. If anything breaking happens in the meantime, you

1842
01:33:24,840 --> 01:33:27,920
Speaker 2: can probably expect something. We will remain on in our

1843
01:33:27,960 --> 01:33:29,800
Speaker 2: crew and everybody's been working around the clock. Thank you

1844
01:33:29,840 --> 01:33:32,360
Speaker 2: everybody who has been supporting us, and we will see

1845
01:33:32,400 --> 01:33:33,240
Speaker 2: you all on Thursday.

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Speaker 1: See you guys Thursday.