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Speaker 1: Music Saved Me.

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Speaker 2: first time in like forever, and I just finally was like,

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Speaker 1: I'm Lynn Hoffman and welcome to the Music Saved Me Podcast,

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Speaker 1: the podcast where I get to talk with musicians about

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Speaker 1: how music and its healing powers helped save them and

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Speaker 1: discuss how music works its magic on us all in

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Speaker 1: so many ways. Now, if you like this podcast, you

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Speaker 1: might also really enjoy our companion podcast. Actually, I know

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Speaker 1: you'll enjoy it. It's hosted by my dear friend buzz Night.

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Speaker 1: It's called Taken a Walk. Please check it out wherever

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Speaker 1: you get your podcasts. Today, I am so fortunate to

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Speaker 1: get to speak with Holly Lovell, an Australian American indie

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Speaker 1: folk artist whose music is steeped in emotion, like her

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Speaker 1: song When Did I Lose You, which chronicles the confusion

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Speaker 1: of a disintegrating relationship. Her new album, called Hello Chelsea,

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Speaker 1: covers a range of topics that showcases her skill in

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Speaker 1: and healing. Holly Lovell, Welcome to Music Save Me. It's

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Speaker 1: so great to have you here.

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Speaker 3: Thank you so much for having me.

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Speaker 1: It's so well deserved. I have to say, first and foremost,

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Speaker 1: your voice is intoxicating. You know, you meet someone, you

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Speaker 1: hear their speaking voice. You're going to hear Holly speak

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Speaker 1: just I didn't even have to know the words you

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Speaker 1: were singing. I immediately felt better, and that truly speaks

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Speaker 1: to the power of your voice. Your music is also

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Speaker 1: very soulful and meditative. My first question is what was

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Speaker 2: My first connection that taught me the power of music,

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Speaker 2: I mean mom first and foremost. I mean I think

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Speaker 2: At first. My mom is deeply emotionally connected to music,

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Speaker 2: so she processes her days and emotions through music. I

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Speaker 2: what I was originally steeped in. So one of my

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Speaker 2: all time favorite emotive artists is Patty Griffin. I don't

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Speaker 3: She conveys it with.

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Speaker 2: Her voice and lets her voice break a little in

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Speaker 2: But when you know what emotions conveying, it's like beautiful.

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Speaker 3: I love that. I love that balance.

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Speaker 1: What songs are. Musicians you just mentioned one of them

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Speaker 3: I mean, Padi Griffin has to be like number one.

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Speaker 2: Funnily enough, when I first moved to Australia, I was

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Speaker 2: twelve and this artist who she's she's pretty known in

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Speaker 2: is Missy Higgins. She was just breaking onto the scene

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Speaker 2: Such a gateway into like me feeling my feelings because

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Speaker 2: So Missy Higgins, in the early days, I was really

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Speaker 2: Sometimes she don't need words.

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Speaker 1: That's so true. That is very true. Do you believe

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Speaker 2: Oh?

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Speaker 1: What has there been anything specific that you've been healed

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Speaker 2: The healing power of music for me is really in

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Speaker 2: That's okay, And then I moved back. So easy to do. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: And now, one of the things that I read about

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Speaker 2: All these artists that I love so much, the more

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Speaker 2: That's like something that when somebody tells me something like that,

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Speaker 3: So when somebody came next to something like that.

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Speaker 2: Like that, you're already like in totally different territory than

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Speaker 2: more easy topic like moving across country. You're like, oh, yeah, same,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so many It's like immediate insight.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely well, you actually just answered my last question. The

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Speaker 2: I mean I feel like I spent a long time

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Speaker 3: When you're there.

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Speaker 2: I remember walking with my grandma there and she was like,

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Speaker 1: But inspiring for sure.

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Speaker 2: I know.

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Speaker 3: That's the thing.

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Speaker 2: Like I've shared I shared the Hell a Chelsea song

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Speaker 3: I used to love it, but now it kills me.

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Speaker 2: I should have met with other songwriters that had lived

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Speaker 2: I have. And also I was like, I have to leave,

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Speaker 1: Well, in a way, it doesn't mean that you've conquered.

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Speaker 1: I mean you went there, you had a purpose, and

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Speaker 3: I made there for a period of time.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Oh my goodness. I could talk to you for hours, Holly.

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Speaker 1: I really appreciate you spending some time with us on

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Speaker 1: music saved me. Was there anything that you wanted to

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Speaker 2: I hope that you know this music finds the right years.

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Speaker 2: And I really appreciate you guys creating a space where

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Speaker 2: you can acknowledge the healing power of music and lyricism

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Speaker 2: and just that mystery that it is you know, to

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Speaker 3: It's beautiful.

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Speaker 1: Thank you. Wow, that was almost a song in and

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Speaker 1: of itself. You just poke and it was just an

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Speaker 1: honor to have you on today. And thank you and

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Speaker 1: best of luck with the new album and come back

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Speaker 1: and see us. We're not in New York.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, thank god getting it.

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Speaker 2: Thank you so much, Thank you so much.

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Speaker 3: I really appreciate it.