Speaker 1: Bulet Cap Show special guest in here. Come on the
Speaker 1: very first day of my new career. Yes, as a bipper. Yes,
Speaker 1: I decided to cancel the podcast. I'm gonna move to
Speaker 1: San Francisco, Yes, and I'm going to pays very well. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna play the odds game. I'm a bit
Speaker 1: everybody look for every rental and hopefully I hit like
Speaker 1: a you know, a nice you know, hopefully Draymond's slipping
Speaker 1: one day. Draymond ain't gonna be slipping, obviously. Draymond is
Speaker 1: never going to slip. Never, He's never going to slip.
Speaker 1: He's always ready for action. A Draymond was at your
Speaker 1: concert at the Roxy. That's my brother. Super nice guy. Yes,
Speaker 1: great guy. I saw him out back and chopped it
Speaker 1: up with him. He did a video saying hi to
Speaker 1: my son. Yeah, so talk to me about your conference.
Speaker 1: Talked to him since he knocked out Jordan Poole. Ain't
Speaker 1: never but a little bit of straighten it. Yeah. You know,
Speaker 1: I feel like families fight, friends fight, things happen, you know,
Speaker 1: and you know they just you know, they had to
Speaker 1: get some just get a little bit of frustration up.
Speaker 1: That's all it was. It wasn't nothing too crazy. So
Speaker 1: how bad does he want to be a Laker? I
Speaker 1: don't know. You would have to call and he's your
Speaker 1: he's your friend, he's not my friend. We don't talk
Speaker 1: about those things. I gotta ask. I don't because at
Speaker 1: your concert, he was sitting next to Lebron James and
Speaker 1: his wife. He loves it in La Jordan Poole wasn't
Speaker 1: at your concert, you know, Kamingo wasn't there. You know,
Speaker 1: Draymond and Lebron were there. You know. Well, if that,
Speaker 1: if that does happen, right, let's say that does happen,
Speaker 1: which I don't think it will happen. When that does happen,
Speaker 1: let's see, I don't think it will. I think he'll
Speaker 1: be a warrior. You don't think that. You're just saying
Speaker 1: that because we're being work. I think he'll be a warrior.
Speaker 1: You're full of shit. Let's say let's say that does happen. Okay, Okay,
Speaker 1: how do you see that working. I think if Russell
Speaker 1: Westbrook is gone, okay, and they give him like comparable
Speaker 1: salary to what he's making now, which I think is
Speaker 1: like twenty seven million dollars, yeah, they could probably afford
Speaker 1: to get another player. I mean, I'm not mad Ron
Speaker 1: Draymond and A D. I'm not mad at the at
Speaker 1: the front court of A D and Draymond. Yeah, I'm
Speaker 1: not mad at it. But the problem with the Lakers
Speaker 1: is they still don't have nobody who can shoot. They
Speaker 1: don't have no shooters. So it's like, could we get
Speaker 1: Draymond and Jordan Poole. I think he could push it
Speaker 1: if you put some shooting. I said. We like, I'm
Speaker 1: a fucking Laker fan. I'm a Lebron You are a
Speaker 1: Lakers I'm not. I'm a Sun's fan like the Sons.
Speaker 1: You just root for him because you're from there. No,
Speaker 1: you're a Laker fan. Listen Bootleg keV podcast. No, no, no,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna tell you what he does Lebron. Let me
Speaker 1: tell you what he does when he's not in Phoenix.
Speaker 1: He wears Lakers gear, He goes to Lakers game that
Speaker 1: he celebrates Lakers wins. He just don't let y'all see
Speaker 1: the ship because he got this Phoenix monkey on his back.
Speaker 1: He's a liar. I'm telling you the truth. I've seen
Speaker 1: him in this suite with a Lebron James Laker jersey
Speaker 1: on You haven't, Yes, I have. I've never worn a
Speaker 1: Lebron Lakers jer I'm probably making it up, but I've
Speaker 1: seeing you in the suite rooting for the Lakers. I
Speaker 1: have every Lebron jersey in my except the Lakers. No,
Speaker 1: I have one. So you see that, yall? He has
Speaker 1: the fucking jersey. But he wears the jersey to the games.
Speaker 1: I've seen it. I have it for collection purposes. I mean,
Speaker 1: I'm I'm Lebron is like my my favorite player ever. Okay,
Speaker 1: so if you go into my office, I have like
Speaker 1: a Lebron toy. So what do you think your sons
Speaker 1: are gonna do this year? Because they lost you some
Speaker 1: money last year and a little bit of embarrassment. I
Speaker 1: think it's gonna be rough. He's gonna be rough because
Speaker 1: DeAndre Ayden don't want to be there. Jay Crowder is
Speaker 1: trying to get the fuck up out of there. Should
Speaker 1: have got Kadi. We tried. I don't think you tried
Speaker 1: hard enough. You're probably right. We should have just said, whatever,
Speaker 1: what do you want? Give me what he wants. He's
Speaker 1: a goat. Hopefully by January fifteenth he's unhappy there and
Speaker 1: Ayton is tradable and then we we fucking make the swap.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go. I'm gonna go in the state Lakers.
Speaker 1: So this the Sun's So what that tells me is
Speaker 1: you are a Laker fan growing up because of Kobe.
Speaker 1: But then the Warriors got good and you're like, it's
Speaker 1: convenient because I'm from the Hey, let's go Warriors. You
Speaker 1: were very close. You were very very close. I know
Speaker 1: a lot of people first the first half, yes, but
Speaker 1: it was the we believe Warriors team for me with
Speaker 1: Baron Davis, Matt Barnes, Stephen Jackson, Michael Petrice. Yeah, it
Speaker 1: was that, Jason Richardson, it was that team. Was Beadrin's
Speaker 1: on that team, the center, the white guy from think
Speaker 1: he was. I think he was on that team. But
Speaker 1: that's when I became a real Warriors fan. You were
Speaker 1: a Warriors fan for like that run and then they
Speaker 1: sucked again. But even when they sucked, the rocket So
Speaker 1: Marta Ellis, I rocked with early early Steph. Then Clay came,
Speaker 1: Draymond came. I remember me and Bam went to the series.
Speaker 1: When they first went to the playoffs and played the
Speaker 1: Spurs in the second round, I think it was around
Speaker 1: twenty fourteen, twenty fifteen, somewhere around there. But that's when
Speaker 1: we kind of started to see like, okay, the Warriors
Speaker 1: is about I remember that serious when they first made
Speaker 1: it to the second round. That's when we kind of knew,
Speaker 1: like the Warriors, Mark was the coach, Yes, sir, and
Speaker 1: they got my boy out of there, and it ain't
Speaker 1: brought him back since. Yes, it's crazy he hasn't got
Speaker 1: another job. Yeah, I think he offended the wrong people. Yes,
Speaker 1: or the NBA is mildly racist. At least we know
Speaker 1: that's why he didn't get hired by the Suns because
Speaker 1: the owners. I'm kidding the our coach is black and
Speaker 1: towards our GM. Hey, that doesn't mean the owner can't
Speaker 1: be racist. Oh he's a piece of shit and he's
Speaker 1: out of there. I hope Jeff Bezos PI is the team.
Speaker 1: They're saying, if Jeff Bezos by the team, it's going downhill.
Speaker 1: What does that mean? We got to we'll always be
Speaker 1: in the luxury tax. You know, you guys, he'll be
Speaker 1: the richest owner in the league by far, but just
Speaker 1: living the luxury tax, like y'all do, you guys will
Speaker 1: be flying spaceships to the games. I like it. You know,
Speaker 1: you'd just be two in the future to win. I
Speaker 1: gotta don't see it. Well, listen, man, I gotta give
Speaker 1: you props. The new album is out, thank you. It's
Speaker 1: he Got a Boone to pick with you too, It's
Speaker 1: a mixtape. Why because you called Freddy Gibbs album of
Speaker 1: the Year over minds. I think his album is better
Speaker 1: than yours. Okay, your opinion, I think you got. I
Speaker 1: think I got you around five. Okay. I put the
Speaker 1: list together the other day. You're about five. So who's
Speaker 1: the four before me? I got Freddie Kendrick, Push your
Speaker 1: T and j I D and then Simba. That's disrespectful.
Speaker 1: You know what's disrespectful is the songs you keep losing
Speaker 1: or leaving off these fucking projects. I can't get shit
Speaker 1: cleared now. You got this fucking was it Black Jesus? Oh? Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's the oldest song. Yeah, but that ship should be honest,
Speaker 1: it's crazy. It comes soon. Let me tell you something.
Speaker 1: But I respect your opinion. You know you're up there.
Speaker 1: I put the list together, like literally, what makes what
Speaker 1: makes those albums better? I just think that they're I
Speaker 1: just think they're better. I don't know, what, do you
Speaker 1: want me to lie to you better? Because they're more
Speaker 1: like you're friends with them. No, you're I'm closer friends
Speaker 1: with you than everybody, but Freddy, like I love you, bro,
Speaker 1: like I'm waving your flag all the time. I know
Speaker 1: I wave your flag over the tome. I want to
Speaker 1: put you. They're definite. I'm not. J I D. Has
Speaker 1: been on my show once. He's a nice guy. I'm
Speaker 1: not what makes j I D's album better than Mane.
Speaker 1: I just think front to back it's it's just I
Speaker 1: just think it's strong. Yeah, but you don't have a reason,
Speaker 1: you just I think j I D's album conceptually super crazy.
Speaker 1: He's got a song called Mom and Them on there.
Speaker 1: I just think it's like to me j I D's album,
Speaker 1: And I think that the top three or four albums
Speaker 1: of the year are all pretty close. Like some days
Speaker 1: I might feel like it's Push, or some days I
Speaker 1: might feel like it's Kendrick. I think the top three
Speaker 1: is like Freddie, Kendrick Push in any order. But then
Speaker 1: I think it's like j I D. It's you, It's
Speaker 1: Denzel Curry Joey Badasses album, his album is Dope Convey's album,
Speaker 1: Benny Tannatos the j I D Two with j I
Speaker 1: D's album I Just Want to also also also, your
Speaker 1: Ship's a mixtape, yeah, DJ Drama host it. Yeah, but
Speaker 1: what's a mixtape compared to album? I agree? I agree.
Speaker 1: I'm just I'm just so. I would say that, uh,
Speaker 1: you are. I just feel like some shit got left
Speaker 1: off this project. N The only thing that really got
Speaker 1: left was it was a beat we couldn't get clear.
Speaker 1: I would say this, I think that your album is great,
Speaker 1: and I think that you have some of the more
Speaker 1: like dope relatable shit, and I think that there are
Speaker 1: I think that some of the like records I don't
Speaker 1: prefer on the album or probably like the Keyglock record
Speaker 1: I love, Yeah, I don't, I don't know, just not
Speaker 1: crazy about it. That's the record. There's the Jeffrey Dude
Speaker 1: on that record. Yeah, but I didn't like that record
Speaker 1: when you played it for me before Keyglock was on it.
Speaker 1: I like it. I think it's a great performance record.
Speaker 1: It brings a lout of energy. The album is dope though. No, No,
Speaker 1: it's a great album. I know. I'm not saying it's not.
Speaker 1: I'm saying, I'm trying to make you like the song.
Speaker 1: It's not that I hate it, It's just that I
Speaker 1: just like, I don't know, I feel like I can't
Speaker 1: wait for nothing. It is one of my favorite songs
Speaker 1: of the year. I told you like just on some yo.
Speaker 1: Let's talk about this, Okay. Can I open the cabinet
Speaker 1: a bit, open it up, let's go. Are you sure
Speaker 1: I'm ready? Doctor Drake cut a verse. I heard the verse. Yes,
Speaker 1: didn't make the album? No, what that doesn't mean it's
Speaker 1: not coming. Got tricks up to sleeve. Well, you did
Speaker 1: two parts to the song. You get the first part.
Speaker 1: They got to push three. It might be a four,
Speaker 1: might be a five. There's a few people that like
Speaker 1: that beat so that they've rapped to it. Mm hmmm.
Speaker 1: So I feel like we had a time today where
Speaker 1: you could keep making your album. So Doctor Dre was
Speaker 1: supposed to be on the on the song? Is he
Speaker 1: supposed to be on that song or maybe when that's coming? Well?
Speaker 1: I heard him on that song, but was it that version?
Speaker 1: I heard him on the version I feel like person,
Speaker 1: So what's it like? Uh, by the way, did you
Speaker 1: help him write the record? No? He he like the
Speaker 1: way Dre works is like a collaborative thing. He might
Speaker 1: take a line or two here, take certain things, but
Speaker 1: he kind of knows what he wants to say, right,
Speaker 1: So it's just more so like you kind of just like, so,
Speaker 1: did you help him with the verse? No? No, no no, no,
Speaker 1: I didn never met all with the verse. I just
Speaker 1: pulled up one day and actually the verse we're talking
Speaker 1: I never end up broke. Yes, yes, never ended up broke.
Speaker 1: He actually laid the verse. It was him and them
Speaker 1: joints and I came to the studio one day and
Speaker 1: he played it and you know, we're figuring it out
Speaker 1: exclusively right here on the bootleg keV Show. This is
Speaker 1: the first time I've ever said this. I gotta get
Speaker 1: permission to open the cabinet a little. You know, well,
Speaker 1: you know you you're my brother, so I'm all for it.
Speaker 1: I mean, I think that like having Dre obviously co
Speaker 1: sign is crazy because he doesn't co sign a lot
Speaker 1: of people. How did uh that a relationship originally start?
Speaker 1: So Dre has a nephew who's a producer as well.
Speaker 1: His name is Keon, right, and I met Keon at
Speaker 1: the studio session. He was like, gonna take you to
Speaker 1: meet my uncle. We ended up jumping on the phone.
Speaker 1: He was like, after the super Bowl, I want to
Speaker 1: link up with you and put some music together. Super
Speaker 1: Bowl passed. About two days later. He hit me, told
Speaker 1: me to pull up to the crib. I told everybody
Speaker 1: in the studio I was going to the bathroom, and
Speaker 1: I never came back. Wow. So I left the studio
Speaker 1: and I went to Dre's house and I was over
Speaker 1: there for about four days working. I heard his speakers
Speaker 1: at his house are crazy. It's immaculate. Everything is like incredible,
Speaker 1: and it's so crazy. Is as loud as the speakers are.
Speaker 1: When you close the door to the studio, you can't
Speaker 1: hear nothing. It's just so you just like isolated. Oh
Speaker 1: I got you, I got you. The room so quiet,
Speaker 1: like it's like you close the door, like imagine if
Speaker 1: we closed that door, Yeah, you wouldn't hear nothing. You
Speaker 1: could still like you could if that was his studio
Speaker 1: and you could turn the music all the way up
Speaker 1: the podcast, you wouldn't hear What the fuck? And then
Speaker 1: what's crazy is he has that same set up built
Speaker 1: in about like two or three different studios. Shout out
Speaker 1: to dream Man. The Goat, the Goat, the Greatest shut Out. So,
Speaker 1: how many records did y'all do together? We have a few. Wow,
Speaker 1: we have a record that's really, really, really good. I
Speaker 1: wish he drop it. Is it on him to drop
Speaker 1: it that one? Yeah? Yeah, yeah, okay, Yeah, it's really
Speaker 1: really good. I can get it come out soon. I
Speaker 1: think he's working on something. Yeah, I mean I've heard, yeah,
Speaker 1: I've heard that. You've u there's some potential stuff in
Speaker 1: the works for you with a lot of artists. Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 1: There was a particular record that I really liked of
Speaker 1: yours that I told Caston. I was like, man, I'm
Speaker 1: just gonna ask him for the song and just make
Speaker 1: it a bootleg keV single west Side Griselda. But he
Speaker 1: said that that verse might make some big ship. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I put the verse somewhere else because we couldn't get
Speaker 1: the sample clear That be the thing, man, These damn
Speaker 1: simple clearances. Like some of my best verses is like
Speaker 1: always over a sample, and it's so tough to clear
Speaker 1: these samples. Sometimes it's tough, and like if you're like
Speaker 1: you're on atlant so like I feel like that sample
Speaker 1: clearances Atlantic and they're like they just shoot for the
Speaker 1: moon on how much they want to. Robin Thick made
Speaker 1: it hard for everybody he did. Robin Thick made it
Speaker 1: hard for because they won that lawsuit against him, right,
Speaker 1: Robin Dick made it hard for us. And uh, what
Speaker 1: was the other lawsuit that it was Robin Thick blurred
Speaker 1: lines and it was another one, the Bruno Mars or no, no,
Speaker 1: it was, Uh, it was another one. I can't remember
Speaker 1: which one when it was, but it was another one.
Speaker 1: But the Robin Thick one was. That was the one. Hey, yeah,
Speaker 1: big time, good for that, big time, big time. But
Speaker 1: sometimes I feel like, you know, like, for instance, I
Speaker 1: had a record that it's on the project, but it's
Speaker 1: a different beat behind it, right, And I feel like
Speaker 1: if the original beat was on it, it was out
Speaker 1: of here records. I felt like it was it would
Speaker 1: have been a big, massive record if the original beat
Speaker 1: was what it was, it was a sample and it
Speaker 1: was a sample from a big album. And the writer
Speaker 1: who passed away, not gonna say his name, passed away.
Speaker 1: And I think twenty sixteen he told his wife to
Speaker 1: never clear music after he passes. He wants his music
Speaker 1: to live on the way that he made it. But
Speaker 1: I felt like the way to keep the music living
Speaker 1: on is too and the way to keep money in
Speaker 1: your family's pockets. Yeah, but I ain't feel bad. I
Speaker 1: felt bad because the record is this mass. But at
Speaker 1: the same time I heard like everybody's tried to clear
Speaker 1: the record. Like I talked to two Chains and he
Speaker 1: like had the same sample with the same song that
Speaker 1: was Man, he couldn't get it clear. Lizzo, oh you
Speaker 1: know what the two change shit. I wish that would
Speaker 1: have been on your album sell Itself. Yeah, yeah, I
Speaker 1: wish that would have been on your album. Why because
Speaker 1: it was supposed to be and that shit was that
Speaker 1: shits so hard, And I feel like it was just
Speaker 1: an album cut on the fucking Two Chain's album as
Speaker 1: to where if it was a the album left on,
Speaker 1: for sure, y'all would have shot a fucking video to it.
Speaker 1: Yet Stove got Cooks on it. I feel like, I
Speaker 1: think that's a great rap record. That song so fucking hard.
Speaker 1: It's a great rap. But that's the problem with it
Speaker 1: was like at the end of his album. But that's
Speaker 1: the problem with streaming today. It's like everything is so
Speaker 1: curated to hear one specific sound. You would have shot
Speaker 1: that music video though I would have shot the video
Speaker 1: for sure. That song's hard, but I understand why he
Speaker 1: did it, you know, like change. I mean, you guys
Speaker 1: got three songs now, yeah, got three that's out. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm sure we got great chemistry though, because
Speaker 1: I think, like I think with Changs, I bring out
Speaker 1: kind of like his rap side. You know, everybody knows
Speaker 1: him for like the Big Chang Chains is a lyricist
Speaker 1: for Shane's Get Busy, and I always just love to
Speaker 1: hear him rap. So every time, like we make something
Speaker 1: pop Paul was like the first like fun just entertaining record.
Speaker 1: But every time we make something we try to go Bimie.
Speaker 1: Both of y'all were going in. It was going in
Speaker 1: on big Onie for sure. Yeah that's big. You've kind
Speaker 1: of like had the biggest people in and out of
Speaker 1: the music industry get behind you, Lebron, going and on
Speaker 1: and on. But like, what do you I think that Well?
Speaker 1: I always tell people about you when I say why
Speaker 1: you're great, is that you be saying the illess shit,
Speaker 1: but you say it in a way that's so relatable
Speaker 1: and so like easy. You don't understand how I'm number five.
Speaker 1: Listen man, when everybody else is so confusing, do you
Speaker 1: want me to lie to you? I'm just saying everybody
Speaker 1: else is so confusing. But you just said here and said, Okay,
Speaker 1: I break it down in a way that's so relatable.
Speaker 1: So what's more relatable than results? Take time? It's very relatable.
Speaker 1: And five and I don't even know what the fuck
Speaker 1: I was gonna says she was good to say. I
Speaker 1: was one just Fridge your guy. No, it is Indrix
Speaker 1: big time. It's not even that he's my guy. He's
Speaker 1: I told him because Fred is my guy to shut
Speaker 1: out to Fred. I love Fred. Fred has always shown
Speaker 1: me he had a couple of records that we're gonna
Speaker 1: make the album that I was really worried about because
Speaker 1: if they would have made the album, I was very
Speaker 1: worried about, like the direction of the project. If these
Speaker 1: two records would have made the album and they didn't
Speaker 1: make the album, Okay, And like I purposely, like I
Speaker 1: had probably seventy five percent of his album already, but
Speaker 1: like purposely didn't listen to everything in order. Why didn't
Speaker 1: you like those two songs? It must have been commercial, Yeah,
Speaker 1: you don't like commercial music. Yeah, it was a Forrell
Speaker 1: record on a swale record. Okay, let me ask you this,
Speaker 1: what's the most successful record on Fred's new project? Too Much?
Speaker 1: I think that that's the record they're pushing. But I
Speaker 1: think streaming wise, I think the one record that's going
Speaker 1: up is the uh, the fucking Anderson Pac record. The
Speaker 1: one I keep hearing is the money Bag record. So
Speaker 1: that record is a single. You don't like that record,
Speaker 1: do you? I like it, but I don't love it.
Speaker 1: I love it. It's dope. I love it. I love
Speaker 1: that record. Shut out to Fred for making that record.
Speaker 1: That's dope ass record. But I'm starting to gauge what
Speaker 1: it is you look for. So you you hate commercial shiit? No,
Speaker 1: that's not true. You do I like commercial ship? No?
Speaker 1: You do? I do? You do? You just said you
Speaker 1: don't like the Jeffrey record. That doesn't mean I love bro.
Speaker 1: I DJ the same like. I DJ all the ignorant
Speaker 1: shit BRO like. I just don't particularly enjoying that record.
Speaker 1: But that's because you're not. Also, I didn't like I
Speaker 1: also didn't like the record on the last album, The
Speaker 1: fucking fucking did not even follow me. I hated that record.
Speaker 1: I didn't really like that record. That record was to me,
Speaker 1: that record was a stretch. It didn't feel natural. The
Speaker 1: key Block record feels natural to you. I just I'm
Speaker 1: just not crazy about it. I'm with that, Yeah, with that.
Speaker 1: I love that record though, performers record, if you come
Speaker 1: to the show coming tonight, you'll like it tonight. I
Speaker 1: bet I will. Yeah. But who else has been like
Speaker 1: the most random person that's like just tapped in, Like
Speaker 1: whether it's someone who just reposted you or DMD or
Speaker 1: that Mike Tyson tired yesterday, Mike Tyson and styles p oh.
Speaker 1: I saw that yeah with the Andrew Martinez. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: that was dope. And I recently ran into Akon in Atlanta.
Speaker 1: Great hair. Oh man, he's going crazy. Yeah, I love hair.
Speaker 1: He's going crazy. I'm interviewing him tomorrow, tell him. I said,
Speaker 1: what's up? I will. But I ran into Acon in
Speaker 1: Atlanta and he was like, yeah, man, you know I've
Speaker 1: been seeing your freestyles. I'm gonna check out your project.
Speaker 1: So literally about four hours goes by and my phone
Speaker 1: ringing his Acon. I was just about to get on
Speaker 1: stage in Atlanta. I had like twenty minutes before I
Speaker 1: got on stage, and he was like, yo, He's like, man,
Speaker 1: this fucking albums incredible. He was like, I ain't heard
Speaker 1: nothing like this in five years, which y'all understand why
Speaker 1: keV got me at five. He said, I haven't heard
Speaker 1: nothing like this in five years. This is some real
Speaker 1: fucking rap records. Like you talking some real shit, some
Speaker 1: relatable shit, right, which y'all understand why keV asked me
Speaker 1: at five. But he was like, this ship isn't fucking incredible.
Speaker 1: I'm like, damn cut, I really appreciate that because I
Speaker 1: grew up like literally watching you, like, learning how to
Speaker 1: write hooks, listening a kon of t pain. So the
Speaker 1: fact that he rocked with it and bulet Kiv did it,
Speaker 1: I do. What do you mean? I love the album?
Speaker 1: You said it was number five? That's great you like it?
Speaker 1: You don't love it? If I bro, I love every
Speaker 1: other album in my top ten I have, so after that,
Speaker 1: I have, like, Joey, what other album I love I loved?
Speaker 1: I love the Kodak Black album. So that's ko. Kodak
Speaker 1: got a great Kodex album. Is hard. Kodek's a generation
Speaker 1: of talent I think he doesn't get. I'm really looking
Speaker 1: forward to hearing what this Little Baby album sounds like two. Yeah,
Speaker 1: My Turn was like a classic, So I think it
Speaker 1: was a classic. I think My Turn is. Yeah. I
Speaker 1: think we're gonna look back and it's gonna be uh
Speaker 1: regarded as a classic for sure. I can't argue that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think I don't think it's a classic now, but
Speaker 1: I think, like overtime, over time, I be like, damn,
Speaker 1: I you know what I'm saying. Yeah, I just think, like,
Speaker 1: you know, yeah, shout out to Baby. Yeah. Who else
Speaker 1: is dope this year? What albums did you like? Future
Speaker 1: had the best album of the year? To me, I
Speaker 1: respect the opinion, just to me. Yeah, to me. Besides
Speaker 1: results take saying so you got them, you got your
Speaker 1: number two then, motherfucker, I got me in one ship,
Speaker 1: I got me. You know, just dropped a great album,
Speaker 1: punk and few. Oh the Migos is really good. The
Speaker 1: uh yeah, no, it's album Herbo's dope. Yeah no. The
Speaker 1: I'm very sad about the Bingos breakup, to be honest,
Speaker 1: but what happened. I don't know. They're all related, bro,
Speaker 1: So I don't get it. You know what happened? Tell
Speaker 1: people to happen. I don't know what happened. I mean,
Speaker 1: I think it was all about money, contracts, QC. Ship.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know, but I love I
Speaker 1: love man, damn so sad. I love how they recreated
Speaker 1: the RAYK. I think it's good why. I think some
Speaker 1: times certain things run his course. But they're related. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but I think my thing is if they break up
Speaker 1: and it's like amicable, they're not, It's fine. Off Set
Speaker 1: is not related to them, He's not on Takeoff is related.
Speaker 1: I thought they related in some I think Vos Takeoff's nephew. Correct,
Speaker 1: I think is Takeoff's uncle. Yes, okay, one of them.
Speaker 1: But off Set was the homie. Are we sure? Yes?
Speaker 1: Are we sure? Yes? They're all related, all related? Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know they're all related. They can't all be related. No, No,
Speaker 1: they can't all be related. Google it, dwighted, they can't.
Speaker 1: They can't all be related. They're all related. They're not.
Speaker 1: Quavo and Takeoff is related, off Sets the homie? What
Speaker 1: was the homie? Look it up? I guarantee you. Wow,
Speaker 1: I told you we're both from well. I knew that
Speaker 1: they were related. Damn No, that's a great album though. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Now I listened to it yesterday. It was real good rock.
Speaker 1: Marciano has a album with Alchemists. Yeah, Stove got cooking
Speaker 1: up some dope shit too. I just seen him the
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Speaker 1: I'm ready, man. I've been talking to Alchemists, me and
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Speaker 1: me and you always have these talks about kind of
Speaker 1: like you're you have a pretty unique path to where
Speaker 1: you are right now. Yes, most like you're a new artist,
Speaker 1: but you're not a new artist. I'm a new artist. Well,
Speaker 1: you're a new artist to the world, but I feel
Speaker 1: like your grind is not new for sure, Like kind
Speaker 1: of give us a little bit of background on just
Speaker 1: like give me. Let's start out, like when you were
Speaker 1: running around with DJ a man. Oh wow, so you
Speaker 1: were managing artists too. Yeah, So before I actually wanted
Speaker 1: to be an artist, I was managing artists, right. So
Speaker 1: it was an artist named Young Kirk. Shout out to
Speaker 1: Young Kirk. A lot of people know Kurt music. You
Speaker 1: remember the Nigga Ma Mama that goes. So Kurt had
Speaker 1: like a bunch of songs and we would running around
Speaker 1: and I was just telling this story earlier, like Kurt
Speaker 1: was like not the most friendly person, you know, So
Speaker 1: it was kind of tough to like get them to
Speaker 1: talk to program directors and promoters and so I naturally
Speaker 1: had to go do that work, which kind of made
Speaker 1: me more of a people person and understood how to
Speaker 1: talk to people and deal with people in the industry.
Speaker 1: So me and Kurt ran into some differences, and I
Speaker 1: started doing my own thing and just me naturally seeing
Speaker 1: what it took to kind of like cut through, I
Speaker 1: applied that to what it was I was doing. The
Speaker 1: problem was my music was just terrible at the time.
Speaker 1: So people rocked with me as a person, but the
Speaker 1: music wasn't all the way there. So I will notice that.
Speaker 1: I will notice when I play my music and somebody
Speaker 1: else would play something, I'd be like, damn, I shit
Speaker 1: wasn't hitting like that got around a bunch of different songwriters,
Speaker 1: a bunch of different producers, signed my first deal at Columbia,
Speaker 1: immediately realized I wasn't a priority in the building. When
Speaker 1: I realized I wasn't a priority in the building, about
Speaker 1: a week later, it was a regime change where everybody
Speaker 1: who signed me over there and brought me in left
Speaker 1: and went to a new label. So I was stuck
Speaker 1: on this label being a traditional rapper that got signed
Speaker 1: through writing a song for somebody else, and they wanted
Speaker 1: me to make music that type of way, what did
Speaker 1: you write a song for? I can't tell you that.
Speaker 1: I can't tell that, but it's a well known rapper
Speaker 1: wrote no from New York though not nuts legend, not Nuts.
Speaker 1: So I was writing a song and they wanted me
Speaker 1: to continue to do that, but it was like no,
Speaker 1: it was like some melody, younger, new guy. So so
Speaker 1: I kept going and I did that because I was
Speaker 1: basically broke at the time. I used all my money
Speaker 1: moving out here, right, So I was running around buying
Speaker 1: people drinks, buying tables every night, thinking this is what
Speaker 1: it get me known, wasting a bunch of fucking money.
Speaker 1: Artists don't ever think buying DJs and buying table, buying
Speaker 1: DJ's drinks and buying it doesn't matter. It's gonna change
Speaker 1: your career. It only when your music is. Actually it's
Speaker 1: gotta be dopey. Get the music first and then do that. Actually.
Speaker 1: Like if I'm and someone and a rapper comes up
Speaker 1: to me and gets me a drink, I hate it, yeah,
Speaker 1: because now I feel like you're using me. No, I
Speaker 1: just feel like I know this guy thinks I'm going
Speaker 1: to play a song now, and you feel like he's
Speaker 1: using you. I'm not gonna play the songs, so I'd
Speaker 1: almost rather just you keep the drink exactly, you know.
Speaker 1: So I went through that whole phase and then around
Speaker 1: twenty nineteen I ran into Dallas Martin. Yeah, and Dallas
Speaker 1: is like, he's like the A and R. That's like
Speaker 1: always taking the chance, right. He sign like he's not
Speaker 1: really just signing you because of your following or because
Speaker 1: you gotta hit record. He's signing you because he believes
Speaker 1: and he's trying to change the trajectory of things of
Speaker 1: how they may be. Yeah. I feel like that's how
Speaker 1: people should get signed, based off of the gut, based
Speaker 1: off the music, not off the metrics. The problem is
Speaker 1: is people like Boulet Kiv that caused my album number
Speaker 1: five and all these others get stringed because of what
Speaker 1: he just said, but does neither here nor there. So
Speaker 1: people like Dallas got to take a chance on me
Speaker 1: because people like Boulet Kiv calls my album number five. Okay,
Speaker 1: So shouts out to Dallas Morton for taking that chance,
Speaker 1: because without him, I just be number five show. Shout
Speaker 1: out to Dallas, You're a dick. Jesus. I was gonna
Speaker 1: say though, like I always have, like Uh. I love
Speaker 1: Bay Area music, yeah, but I always feel like the
Speaker 1: music that gets embraced out of the Bay it almost
Speaker 1: only gets embraced if it sounds a certain way regional.
Speaker 1: Like we have a guy named John Coston who we
Speaker 1: probably both know he's a slimy bastard. Shout out to John.
Speaker 1: I love him, yeah, but like I'm taught the slimiest
Speaker 1: of the slimiest. But like you know, when I'm talking
Speaker 1: to him about like yourself or guys like Larussell, I
Speaker 1: feel like the excitement's not there as opposed to if
Speaker 1: I'm talking to him about like they want us to
Speaker 1: put guns in the video. I don't know, I just
Speaker 1: it's just frustrating because I'm like, yo, sometimes I feel like,
Speaker 1: how is it? In my opinion, you and l Russell,
Speaker 1: in my opinion, are like the next like Jay Z
Speaker 1: and Nike knas Like Larrussell's gonna change the music industry
Speaker 1: based off of his business model. The music is good,
Speaker 1: like you're just like I think the new Hove, you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. And I feel like up until
Speaker 1: like everybody outside of the Bay was fucking with you,
Speaker 1: it didn't feel like the people inside of the Bay
Speaker 1: were fucking with you. You You know, Coca Cola was the
Speaker 1: first cola to be a brand. They didn't take heat
Speaker 1: of pepsi too much when it first came around, right,
Speaker 1: So pepsi had to become the drink of the generation.
Speaker 1: So related to a new demographic. And what's going on
Speaker 1: is me and Larussell are relating to a different demographic
Speaker 1: than what typically you see in the Bay, right. So
Speaker 1: because of that, you're gonna get clashed, You're gonna get
Speaker 1: a little pushedback because people have been doing it one
Speaker 1: way for so long. They look at it like who
Speaker 1: the fuck are y'all right to come change what the
Speaker 1: fuck is going on? And that's cool. Oh, we're not
Speaker 1: trying to change what's going on. He's trying to offer
Speaker 1: some balance. We just want to relate to a broader audience.
Speaker 1: And me and the Russell talk about this a lot.
Speaker 1: Same thing with Rex light Rise, who's incredible. Yeah, same
Speaker 1: thing with a little Kayla. You know, like everybody's looking
Speaker 1: to expand we're tired of being the city that just
Speaker 1: get looked at as like the little cousin of La, right,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, It's like we're bigger than that.
Speaker 1: We could be bigger as well, but sometimes our music
Speaker 1: doesn't translate because well, you guys don't also like make
Speaker 1: like traditional at least what we look at as Bay
Speaker 1: Area records. Yeah, you know what I'm saying. And to me,
Speaker 1: that's like I think that that is why I love
Speaker 1: the Bay because I love the area music. But I
Speaker 1: also feel like it is also what makes the ceiling
Speaker 1: a little bit harder to break through, because it is
Speaker 1: a bit regional facts and you know, like being down here,
Speaker 1: Like I remember last year, it was a bunch of
Speaker 1: people that felt like I was actually from La right,
Speaker 1: you know, people that actually see me into Bay working
Speaker 1: and put it work in for years like oh yeah, nigga.
Speaker 1: But it's like, nah, I'm just trying to expand it.
Speaker 1: I'm trying to do something different than just we all
Speaker 1: get hot, go to petalum or, go to Fresno, go
Speaker 1: to Sacramento, go to Seattle. Boom come back after that?
Speaker 1: What comes after that? Right? Why can't we be on
Speaker 1: the level of a Kendrick Even if Bootleg keV caused
Speaker 1: the album Number five and Kendrick Number two, Why can't
Speaker 1: we be on the level of a Freddy Gibbs, even
Speaker 1: though Bootleg keV calls it number five, Why can't we
Speaker 1: be on a level We get it, We get it,
Speaker 1: you know. So we got to make bigger records and
Speaker 1: we got to stick together because people like Bootleg keV
Speaker 1: hasn't called the project number one, but he has went
Speaker 1: till the Russell's backyard. So we we we appreciate that.
Speaker 1: If I stayed in the hotel, we love Crest, we
Speaker 1: love that. Shout out to l Russell too, because he's
Speaker 1: doing amazing ship. By the way, the Hampton in right
Speaker 1: across the street from that seven eleven in Balcross. He
Speaker 1: was in Valo Verla. My hotel that for two nights
Speaker 1: was in Vallejo in the Crane World. It was fucking lit.
Speaker 1: You know. We was at what's the name of that
Speaker 1: liquor store, King's Liquor. Yeah, it's great. I got the
Speaker 1: mac dre soda. Yeah, is a very cultural place. No,
Speaker 1: it's great. Yeah, we had good food there, great Asian
Speaker 1: were you and the Russell? I mean everybody's been asking
Speaker 1: you're gonna do a new like you're gonna do an
Speaker 1: album with him? Yeah, we're talking about it. It's it's
Speaker 1: timing it's just trying to figure it out. Like he
Speaker 1: got a lot going on. I got a lot going on.
Speaker 1: We've definitely been like talking a lot more. Anytime I'm
Speaker 1: in the Bay, always go over to his spot. We
Speaker 1: always link up, but it's like every time we link up,
Speaker 1: it's more of like a it's more of like a
Speaker 1: conversation than it is about music, because we're so inspired
Speaker 1: about being innovative that were always trying to think of
Speaker 1: like what's the next move for the future, more so
Speaker 1: than making a song. So it's it's definitely gonna come.
Speaker 1: It's just timing. Who else from the Bay? Are you
Speaker 1: fucking with? JR? Dope? Yeah, that's my boy right there.
Speaker 1: I just brought him out in Vegas, Young Jr. He's dope.
Speaker 1: I like Little Rex Life RAJ. Who else I've been
Speaker 1: listening to? Also like that kid. I think his name
Speaker 1: is dB by the Bag, but I think he's not
Speaker 1: like Stockton or something like that up right now. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's dope. It's a few people that's dope Blaster. It's
Speaker 1: a few people I rock with that's got some great
Speaker 1: shit going on. You said on your intro that somebody
Speaker 1: had told you needed to do a song with Kafani Canard.
Speaker 1: Canard was the program director at Cammelle when I was
Speaker 1: living in the Bay Area and I was bringing him
Speaker 1: records that were not the typical sounding Bay record but
Speaker 1: they were good records. He would tell me that I
Speaker 1: need a Bay Area sounding record or a feature from
Speaker 1: Kafani if I wanted to be played. And I thought
Speaker 1: that was a very small minded way of looking at
Speaker 1: things because it was like, Okay, so you're just gonna
Speaker 1: dictate what people want to hear. How about you at
Speaker 1: least get a record to shot. That's why I hate
Speaker 1: when DJ be like I don't like the record. It's like, okay,
Speaker 1: but what if the people do. He's just not gonna
Speaker 1: play it because you don't like it, Like that's not fair. Also,
Speaker 1: if you're a DJ, you have to understand that, like
Speaker 1: there's a if you hear a record, you got to
Speaker 1: understand like who the records for, and you also kinda
Speaker 1: like you like unless it's a bad record. You can
Speaker 1: you cannot like a song like I like your song
Speaker 1: with Key Glock and Jeffrey, or it's a good record,
Speaker 1: I just personally don't love it, But that doesn't mean
Speaker 1: it's a bad record. I recognize like what it is, like, oh,
Speaker 1: this is hard, Like you're not the type of person
Speaker 1: that won't play it because you don't like like if
Speaker 1: somebody came here and be like play Simba and Key,
Speaker 1: I know you will play it. There's certain DJs is
Speaker 1: like I don't like the record, I don't have it,
Speaker 1: and they have it in the system, and I just
Speaker 1: be thinking that's just like some Yeah, I mean listen, man,
Speaker 1: I think like DJ's are very important, but I also
Speaker 1: think that like they're not as important as they were
Speaker 1: like a decade ago in terms of like radio radio.
Speaker 1: I'm radio specific. See that's where my mind be fucked
Speaker 1: up because I think I'm with you on that. But
Speaker 1: I think there's a way that they can be And
Speaker 1: I think because they be so stuck in traditional ways
Speaker 1: and not trying to innovate what the DJs looks like today,
Speaker 1: they get stagnant. Right, So it's a lot of DJs
Speaker 1: that can kind of because if you look at it right,
Speaker 1: streaming tells people what to play, so it kind of
Speaker 1: fucks up the discovery process for artists. So if you
Speaker 1: get DJs linking up with artists, now, DJs can help
Speaker 1: break artists. Artists can help break DJs. I just don't
Speaker 1: know if a DJ breaking your record in wherever it is,
Speaker 1: I don't know how much that actually correlates to like
Speaker 1: people giving a fuck anymore. And I'm on the radio
Speaker 1: every day in fifteen cities. I'm telling you, I just
Speaker 1: don't know if it matters. Like to me, it's the
Speaker 1: final phase in like making a hit record a hit record,
Speaker 1: because you're never gonna like chart really high on Billboard
Speaker 1: without radio play. But like I feel like in terms
Speaker 1: of like garnering people's interests, garnering fans, streams, all that shit,
Speaker 1: I'm not sure what radio brings to the table unless
Speaker 1: you are like in power rotation across the fucking country,
Speaker 1: which means your song's already moving anyway. Yeah, I agree,
Speaker 1: But I think because like if somebody plays your song
Speaker 1: at like eight pm on a Friday night, yeah that's dope.
Speaker 1: It's cool for like an ig repost, but like the
Speaker 1: chances depending on what city it's in, Like, But that's
Speaker 1: why I said, I think it has to be an
Speaker 1: attachment with the DJ and the artist because DJ's helped
Speaker 1: the discovery process, right, Yeah, I think I think I
Speaker 1: actually think like a DJ playing your shit in a
Speaker 1: big club over and over again is even probably like
Speaker 1: a little bit more effective than somebody playing radio. That's
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. Yeah, so it's not just radio, it's
Speaker 1: having that artist to DJ relationship to where my DJ
Speaker 1: right Erie shut out Hiller Erie, Like, now, okay, what
Speaker 1: was it four months ago? We would only do things
Speaker 1: in the Bay right right, So now we've been on
Speaker 1: tour every night when he starts to set out, he's
Speaker 1: playing never so now when Utah, when Denver, wh in
Speaker 1: all these different places. So the more he gets booked,
Speaker 1: it helps me. The more I get booked, it helps him.
Speaker 1: I think it's the artist the DJ relationship which can
Speaker 1: help break up artists today versus it kind of being
Speaker 1: like this divisive thing of I work for the radio
Speaker 1: and you need to make a radio record. Well. Also
Speaker 1: like radio personalities for the most part, are really entitled dickheads, yeah,
Speaker 1: who feel like they matter more than they do for sure,
Speaker 1: And I'm a radio guy, and it's like, but you're
Speaker 1: deeper than the radio guy. But I'm saying, like it
Speaker 1: is not in my best interest to share on my
Speaker 1: own profession, But you can sit here and have a
Speaker 1: conversation with anybody. Most of them can't, right, because these
Speaker 1: motherfuckers wasn't the coolest growing up, or they didn't come
Speaker 1: from certain environments that we did. So it's different with you.
Speaker 1: Because you could do a podcast, you can jump on
Speaker 1: Real ninety two three, you could jump on BT, you
Speaker 1: could do whatever it is you need to do to
Speaker 1: get the job done. Everybody can't do that. So that
Speaker 1: little bit of authority that they have at radio, they
Speaker 1: try to hold on to that ship as long as
Speaker 1: they can because that's all they fucking got. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I see so many guys like, uh, Midwest DJ. I
Speaker 1: was just talking to my boy about IM, like, Yo,
Speaker 1: why is the dude still carrying himself? Like it's O two? Yeah,
Speaker 1: Like what's happening? It's twenty two. I literally was just
Speaker 1: in the city. I'm not gonna say the name of
Speaker 1: the city, but I was in the city three nights
Speaker 1: ago and they was we was listening to the radio
Speaker 1: and he was like, how this record in the city
Speaker 1: right now? And it was Meek Meal I'm a Boss,
Speaker 1: And I was like, bro, where the fuck have you been?
Speaker 1: The last that was ten years ago? Like at least
Speaker 1: played the intro like she's explaining a boss Like it
Speaker 1: was like, what the fuck is going on? Yeah, so
Speaker 1: it is it's hard. Yeah were you Were you ever
Speaker 1: trying to make those records like dude, Definitely, Yeah, definitely, definitely.
Speaker 1: I still attempted sometimes. I Mean, the thing is, it's
Speaker 1: like you could do it, but it's gotta be or gang,
Speaker 1: gotta be organ Like dude, when Two Chains did I'm Different,
Speaker 1: it didn't sound like Two Change was jocking fucking la.
Speaker 1: It just sounded like he made a hit. You know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying exactly. When Yo Gotti hopped on Act,
Speaker 1: it was like, this ship is natural. It just got
Speaker 1: to be done right. And I think sometimes as West
Speaker 1: Coast artists, it's a little different for us because our
Speaker 1: music moves a little faster, and the sound of today
Speaker 1: is more so of a trap sound, which is slower, yeah,
Speaker 1: the national sound. Yeah. So some of the records that
Speaker 1: work over in the South doesn't work over here, But
Speaker 1: some of the records work over here doesn't work over there.
Speaker 1: So I think that's why Roddy was so that so
Speaker 1: great because but not only was it that you could
Speaker 1: understand them. Yeah, So a lot of times, like us
Speaker 1: being from the West, we don't comprehend with the southern
Speaker 1: accent as well. Roddy made it to where you could
Speaker 1: kind of like get it right away no matter where
Speaker 1: you was at. Shout out to the rich guy too, man,
Speaker 1: my boy Roddy Rich. Yeah, he was one of the
Speaker 1: later features that got added right. Yeah, but because me
Speaker 1: and him had a record before. Remember I played it
Speaker 1: for you a long time ago, and we couldn't get
Speaker 1: that one clear, I'd have to say, you guys are
Speaker 1: pretty much you got the same an r same, he
Speaker 1: had the same man or he was cool got you.
Speaker 1: It was cool before that because he had did something
Speaker 1: for one of the homies back before I even had
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Speaker 1: one A, one B. That's interesting Future all time? For me?
Speaker 1: He's the greatest club artist of all time. No, he's
Speaker 1: a lyricist, and he's a lyric he's one of the
Speaker 1: best songs. He's one of the best songwriters ever. But
Speaker 1: for me is lyrics that relate to my life. Truth,
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Speaker 1: twenty ten or twenty eleven, but either way, go No,
Speaker 1: he's not a decade run and it's pretty crazy and
Speaker 1: he's it's wild, still going, still going. And the new album,
Speaker 1: like he had dropped a few albums recently that I
Speaker 1: was like, but the new album, the new album was
Speaker 1: the one. Yeah, that was great. He ain't ship for sure,
Speaker 1: and he's probably like top six or seven most influential
Speaker 1: guy ever in rap, top five. I wouldn't be mad
Speaker 1: at five he got my album at five. I mean
Speaker 1: he could at least put future she's top five most
Speaker 1: influential because it's like it's it's probably like he was
Speaker 1: your top five most influential in hip hop. I think
Speaker 1: it's Tupac and I'm just not in no order Tupac
Speaker 1: Hove actually not no, no, no no, not jay Z. I'm sorry.
Speaker 1: Tweet jay Z's not tough. Wait wait wait wait, hold on,
Speaker 1: I'm thinking in order, no wonder my album's number top
Speaker 1: five influential. I was leasting them off in my head
Speaker 1: in order. I think it's POC. I think like overall
Speaker 1: in the game, like all time, like who made it
Speaker 1: okay to really rap rock him? And I know that's
Speaker 1: like some old head ship to say because that's before
Speaker 1: my time. But he was like the first dude with
Speaker 1: you on that because before rock Him, nobody was really
Speaker 1: doing this right. Everywhere people walking on this Tupac, rock Him, Hove,
Speaker 1: Kanye and Lila Wayne. I can't argue that because Kanye,
Speaker 1: I cannot argue has changed music hip hop like four times.
Speaker 1: I cannot argue that. And then it's like future Chief
Speaker 1: Keith Drake Drake even now, I can't even say that
Speaker 1: because musically he didn't want to get slipped on ace Hood.
Speaker 1: I can't. Great guy, great, great physicus. So many people
Speaker 1: stole ace Hood style. Yeah, people have made careers off
Speaker 1: of ace Hood. So listen, don't say a statement like
Speaker 1: that and not tell me who's stolen his style. A
Speaker 1: lot of people give me one name. You do the
Speaker 1: the Migos flow. The Migos flow comes from an ace
Speaker 1: Hood style. Really, Yes, I guess I'm not listening to
Speaker 1: listen to early ace Hood and listen to We're not
Speaker 1: Gonna put in the top. I'm not saying you can
Speaker 1: put them wherever you want to put them. What I'm
Speaker 1: saying is he gets slept on has taken his style
Speaker 1: and ran with it. There's early Meek Meals songs that
Speaker 1: feel like I'm not seeing Meek store. They came at
Speaker 1: the same time, so they kind of fed off each other.
Speaker 1: But that style of hustle hard definitely under throwing my pocket,
Speaker 1: numbing up profit, but not double up with my profit.
Speaker 1: That whole flow came from Acehood the same way niggas
Speaker 1: wrapped today. All right, well, a Hood gets his flowers today.
Speaker 1: Shut very underrated, discography too, very underrated, very underrated, shut out,
Speaker 1: most fit rapper, most fit. That motherfucker's yoked more than fifty. Yeah,
Speaker 1: what did you see fifty hanging upside down at the
Speaker 1: Super Bowl TV? Pushing weight on you? Though, man, Now,
Speaker 1: Ace Hood is like a fucking specimen pause Like that
Speaker 1: motherfucker is like a goddamn He's like the Rock. Have
Speaker 1: you seen him lately? No, he's fucking jacked, really like Jack.
Speaker 1: It's like it's like he should he should be like
Speaker 1: fighting or playing football or something. He's fucking I knew
Speaker 1: he was always like a fit. No, no, no, he's
Speaker 1: like no, he fake guy. It's like him and method
Speaker 1: man is him in the Rock? No, I'm talking about
Speaker 1: hip hop like method Man is also pretty about him
Speaker 1: and Diesel. I think Vin Diesel is probably more flabbyer
Speaker 1: than Thehthood for sure. Yeah, what about the Rock and
Speaker 1: Vin Diesel? The Rock is a fucking alien. Did you
Speaker 1: see the baby that they was passing around in the crowd? Oh,
Speaker 1: I think he meant the baby. I'm like, yeah, a
Speaker 1: baby's kind of in all right shape. I guess yeah,
Speaker 1: they crowdsurfed the baby. That was a newborn baby just
Speaker 1: getting passed through a crowd to go to the Rock.
Speaker 1: And the Rocks just like, this is weird. That was
Speaker 1: some ship super well. That kid's parents need to be detained.
Speaker 1: How do you feel about artists saying that they're blackball nowadays?
Speaker 1: Speaking of the baby, some of them more. But what
Speaker 1: does that mean? I think blackballed is when you've pissed
Speaker 1: a certain person off that has the authority to make
Speaker 1: a call to stop your emergence. I think it can
Speaker 1: stop your momentum, for sure. But I think if you
Speaker 1: have real fans, I don't think. But that's the problem.
Speaker 1: Most people don't have real fans. They have fans of songs,
Speaker 1: so when the sound dies out, so do they, and
Speaker 1: they never build an underbelly. That's why I appreciate my
Speaker 1: dog Jodan Lucas for taking me on this tour because
Speaker 1: he's fans, yes, and it's allowing me to convert them
Speaker 1: into Symber fans, and they're learning about me. And that's
Speaker 1: why you got a guy like Tory who's always had
Speaker 1: like that super strong or following. But Toy is a
Speaker 1: different thing. See, but I'm saying Tory can say, you know,
Speaker 1: I've been blackballed from Playlist, which has definitely happened, but
Speaker 1: it doesn't matter because he's still had the best selling
Speaker 1: album of the week. But he's an anomaly because that
Speaker 1: motherfucker's talented show and everybody's not that talented. Most people
Speaker 1: aren't as talented. Everybody ain't got that talent to be
Speaker 1: able to wiggle through that ship. So some people they
Speaker 1: kind of forced to take a back seat because they
Speaker 1: can't do some of them things that he could do.
Speaker 1: So he's he makes timeless music consistently like anomally. He's
Speaker 1: an alien talented level person for sure. Everybody ain't got that.
Speaker 1: That's real. Everybody ain't got that. And if you don't
Speaker 1: have that and you're trying to cut through and you
Speaker 1: didn't piss the wrong people off, going to be to Yeah,
Speaker 1: I understand like what Russ was saying, because Russ was like,
Speaker 1: you can't be blackball if there's the internet. He's right,
Speaker 1: but he's also there's no context. Sometimes just say there's
Speaker 1: no context to he's right, but that doesn't mean that
Speaker 1: somebody can't stand in the way of opportunity that will
Speaker 1: lave it like like elevate your whole entire ship, like,
Speaker 1: which is why he is right and saying if you
Speaker 1: have a core fan base, you'll be fine. Nobody can
Speaker 1: blackball you, but you can if someone doesn't put you
Speaker 1: on rap Cavear office. And I'm not saying that's ever happened.
Speaker 1: I don't want to put that on car or anybody
Speaker 1: over there. But somebod doesn't put you on a playlist
Speaker 1: on purpose because something you did or you said, or
Speaker 1: they don't like you and I and that's the only
Speaker 1: reason they didn't put you on it. That playlist could
Speaker 1: be the difference between an extra five million streams and
Speaker 1: everybody's every The way everybody built their career is different.
Speaker 1: So Russ had the ability to build his career through
Speaker 1: SoundCloud and touring and building out and making different type
Speaker 1: of records that somebody liked. The baby wouldn't get off
Speaker 1: if he was in that position, you know what. And
Speaker 1: the baby also came up with like a pretty solid
Speaker 1: core foundation. No, for sure. But I'm just saying it's
Speaker 1: gonna be tougher for somebody like the Baby than it
Speaker 1: would be for us, right right. And there's a whole
Speaker 1: bunch of different reasons that go into that. But everybody's
Speaker 1: My whole point is everybody's journey is different, So you
Speaker 1: just can't say that someone can't be black Ball. I
Speaker 1: think I think both sides are correct because there's context
Speaker 1: to both sides. It's two sides. You know what else
Speaker 1: is important? Something you said earlier when you were tourn
Speaker 1: with your artists. You're managing, you kind of have to
Speaker 1: have people like want you to win. Oh yeah, like
Speaker 1: people kind of have like either they have to like you,
Speaker 1: or you gotta be Kanye West for sure. For sure,
Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying. Toy is an anomaly or you
Speaker 1: gotta be NBA Young Boy, where it's like it doesn't anomaly,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, it's nothing you can do
Speaker 1: NBA Young Boy just dropped the album what was it Friday?
Speaker 1: I think he's put out one hundred and ten songs
Speaker 1: this year. Okay, so listen to this, right NBA. Young
Speaker 1: boy just put an album out Friday. Yeah, he just
Speaker 1: announced another one today. It's crazy. There's nothing you could
Speaker 1: do about it. Dwight. Is he helping keep the lights
Speaker 1: on over there? He's contributing to those lights. Cardi ain't
Speaker 1: dropped in a while. Shit shut out to Cardi because
Speaker 1: she been flaming them versus oh my god, that tomorrow too,
Speaker 1: versus crazy she killed that and she just killed the
Speaker 1: munch beat. I haven't I saw she got on it.
Speaker 1: I didn't hear it. Yeah, she's been killing versus Yeah
Speaker 1: she's I'm excited to hear some new Cardi. You know
Speaker 1: what I say about Cardi. Cardi delivers records. I don't
Speaker 1: know if she's writing or not writing. I don't give
Speaker 1: a fuck. She's delivering records, delivered so hard. It doesn't matter.
Speaker 1: She doesn't. She doesn't have to write if she don't
Speaker 1: want to. Yeah, and I'm sure you have you been
Speaker 1: helping people with the pen behind the scenes. I haven't
Speaker 1: been lately, but in the past, you know, that's kind
Speaker 1: of I got my name though. Yeah, But lately, no,
Speaker 1: I haven't. I really haven't been in the studio in
Speaker 1: like the last few months, a couple of months. I
Speaker 1: got in the other day because I'm working on some
Speaker 1: stuff with the Warriors and I had a few features
Speaker 1: to do. But and it was fun because I haven't
Speaker 1: been in there in a minute, and I was kind
Speaker 1: of liking results take time Molde to where I was
Speaker 1: trying to make songs or Draymond's disk to Jordan pull No, no,
Speaker 1: that's not coming. But it was fun to be in
Speaker 1: the studio though. So I'm excited to get back in
Speaker 1: and like being on the road. It's made me understand
Speaker 1: different tempos and different sonics and like why certain records
Speaker 1: hit a certain way they do. So I'm starting to
Speaker 1: look for a different type of production going into this
Speaker 1: next project. What is something you've learned from just being
Speaker 1: around Joiner for a month? Man a lot bro I
Speaker 1: would say he's got the best videos in the game.
Speaker 1: He's got one of the best minds in the game.
Speaker 1: His team is great. They're very focused, they pay attention
Speaker 1: to detail, very close. They're very concerned about how the
Speaker 1: fans received the show, even the music. They're always thinking
Speaker 1: of ways to be innovative and on brand. But one
Speaker 1: thing I remember after I think it was like the
Speaker 1: third night. I kept like because I would kill, I'll
Speaker 1: be killing every show and then I'll walk out. And
Speaker 1: then it was one night where they was they was
Speaker 1: like chatting like shim sim I walked off the stage
Speaker 1: and he was like, yo, He's like, you gotta start
Speaker 1: going out there taking pictures. But I'm thinking, like I'm thinking,
Speaker 1: like shit, I gotta get out the way suit, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean. He's like, nah, go out there
Speaker 1: taking You don't want to be the guy who while
Speaker 1: the headliners closing there's like a line of people trying
Speaker 1: to take a picture exactly. That's how away from his shine.
Speaker 1: He was like, nah, you gotta take the pictures. So
Speaker 1: the next day I start taking the pictures and I
Speaker 1: start watching my following go up. He came to me
Speaker 1: the next day he was like, you gotta tell him
Speaker 1: to tag you in the pictures. Yeah, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean. And that's how you get them die hard. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Like I went up like I think like one hundred
Speaker 1: and twenty thousand followers just in the last month just
Speaker 1: on the road album coming out. Yeah, yeah, Yeah, that
Speaker 1: shit's crazy. It's been dope, bro, it's been a great
Speaker 1: and you've been killing it on the scene. Shit, it's
Speaker 1: crazy because you got the End the Game record. That
Speaker 1: is my son's favorite song, really, yes, mad my eight
Speaker 1: year old. Yeah, he's like loves that fucking song. It's dope.
Speaker 1: We actually just got word that the NBA is going
Speaker 1: to be doing something with that this season as well.
Speaker 1: Nice and that's right here on the botlet giving a
Speaker 1: song on your on your album, No it's out there, yeh.
Speaker 1: Space Jamship was dope. Yep. Yeah. I feel like those
Speaker 1: records do well because they're like all purpose records, and
Speaker 1: me sometimes as an artist, I'd be so concerned about
Speaker 1: building out who the simber fan is. I naturally try
Speaker 1: to run away from them records on projects they like
Speaker 1: build the fan base out, But I'm slowly starting to
Speaker 1: see how they perform on the road, so I'm like,
Speaker 1: I need to mix this in a little more. So
Speaker 1: you the first project came out in December twenty twenty. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we just got the newest Yeah, the Gangs the Grills, Yeah,
Speaker 1: number number five album of the year. Correct. The fifth
Speaker 1: best album of the year. Yeah, yeah, what an accomplishment
Speaker 1: it is. It is a great accomplishing. I wrote all
Speaker 1: those verses to be number five, guys. I mean that's
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Speaker 1: for a little bit, and we're about to get to Atlanta,
Speaker 1: get to Miami, get to New York, go to Santa
Speaker 1: Monica and get in with the Alchemists. Yeah yes, get
Speaker 1: in with Dre, getting with Drag yeah yeah, get in
Speaker 1: with a bunch of people. And I'm trying to I'm
Speaker 1: trying to push something out like summer so before. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but I'm gonna be dropping music singles. Yeah, it might
Speaker 1: drop a four pack, a couple of two packs, but
Speaker 1: the next project for sure, trying to get it out
Speaker 1: before summer. For you, what do you feel like is
Speaker 1: the biggest uphill battle being and don't say having your
Speaker 1: album be number five, just being an artist and toda
Speaker 1: day's landscape that is more on the lyrical side, that
Speaker 1: is more like I always compare you to Jay Z
Speaker 1: because I feel like you remind me so much of
Speaker 1: him in terms of talent, but also in terms of persona. Like,
Speaker 1: you guys are not trying really hard. You're just cool motherfuckers.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. You're likable. But what is
Speaker 1: the biggest challenge? Just being Simba and in today's hip
Speaker 1: hop game, like like talk about that sometimes living in
Speaker 1: the future too much. I've recently seen Kanye say something
Speaker 1: where he was like, I might not be right. I'm
Speaker 1: just not right right now. You know what I mean
Speaker 1: to say, He's wrong about a couple of years right now.
Speaker 1: What I don't know. The White Lives Matter. That was
Speaker 1: a stretch, Okay, I got a take on that. Okay,
Speaker 1: we'll get to that. Finish your finish your point, and
Speaker 1: then we'll go there. Okay. Sometimes I feel like I
Speaker 1: live in the future so much to where I'm thinking
Speaker 1: so far beyond what's going on right now. I'm not
Speaker 1: seeing what I can do to better my situation at
Speaker 1: the moment. I'm always kind of thinking first, so I
Speaker 1: drop a project and instead of like coming up with
Speaker 1: all these different content ideas to continue to push the project.
Speaker 1: I'm already on Okay, this works for tour. They like
Speaker 1: these drums, they like these sonics. This needs to be
Speaker 1: the next sound. But I'm already moved on, Like Christmas
Speaker 1: then already passed in my head. I already bought my
Speaker 1: son gifts and now I'm getting everybody. So I'm in January,
Speaker 1: you know. And sometimes it's it hinders you because you
Speaker 1: missing what's going on right in front of you. So
Speaker 1: I feel like that's one thing. And also like being
Speaker 1: from the Bay and trying to be somebody that's doing
Speaker 1: something a little different than what typically goes on in
Speaker 1: the Bay is an uphill battle because sometimes you go
Speaker 1: through these like who the fuck does he think he is?
Speaker 1: Versations right, you know, issues to where it's just like
Speaker 1: I don't think I'm better than nobody. I'm just trying
Speaker 1: to expand what the fuck it is we're doing all
Speaker 1: the way around the board, right, And sometimes they could
Speaker 1: get taken the wrong way, But I would say those
Speaker 1: are the two three. I mean, if you think of
Speaker 1: like the biggest rapper commercially besides MC hammer, Yeah, and
Speaker 1: the forty obviously longevity, but it's g easy in terms
Speaker 1: of just success now maybe not currently, it's not like
Speaker 1: on fire, but I mean just peak, peak fame. You
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying from the bay, from the Bay,
Speaker 1: peak fame. And I'm not telling you put mc hammer
Speaker 1: too short? Yeah? What easy over too short? What do
Speaker 1: you mean he headlined a a fucking eighteen thousand c
Speaker 1: fucking tour. If you're using your white privilege right now, No, no, no,
Speaker 1: we're just talking about. What are you talking about? You'd
Speaker 1: put g easy over too short? Yeah? Peak, you're fucking crazy,
Speaker 1: peak fame hit fucking crazy? What you're fucking crazy? No, no no, no,
Speaker 1: I'm not talking about you know how many people know
Speaker 1: too short. I'm not talking about fame. I'm not talking
Speaker 1: about longevity. I mean like, who had the highest peak?
Speaker 1: Gezy never had the peak? It too short? That that's
Speaker 1: not true. Too short made the world say bitch, oh
Speaker 1: my god, what are you talking about? Listen, what are
Speaker 1: you talking about? Nah, what are we talking about? I'm
Speaker 1: talking about peak peak, We're talking about Gez is never
Speaker 1: bigger than too short. That's not true. No, at a moment, no, no,
Speaker 1: I can't. I can't agree with you. No, I love
Speaker 1: too short. Too short is the coach you're getting into
Speaker 1: one of my fad I'm not disagree. I said, Okay,
Speaker 1: if we're taking that's why I said E forty with
Speaker 1: the longevity. But if we're talking about who had the craziest,
Speaker 1: like too like, we're talking about this motherfucker's got a
Speaker 1: diamond record, fine diamond, Pitt Bull got diamond records, and
Speaker 1: maybe e Vanilli got diamond record. Listen, pit Bull is
Speaker 1: arguably the biggest rapper from Miami. Ever, now, I'm not
Speaker 1: saying I love Pippules music is probably the biggest pop
Speaker 1: star from Miami. But he's not the biggest rapper. He's
Speaker 1: also a rapper. Hey, he's a pop star, So what's
Speaker 1: a drake? It's g easy. So you can't compare fucking
Speaker 1: G eazy to cultural as too short. I'm not saying
Speaker 1: too short is not the culture. And I'm not saying
Speaker 1: too short isn't culturally more relevant and important. I'm not
Speaker 1: saying too short is bigger, bro. I'm not saying, listen,
Speaker 1: bigger than the culture. How about we compare the sales. Yeah,
Speaker 1: let's see. I just said, Okay, just too short to
Speaker 1: of have a diamond single. It doesn't matter. It's blow
Speaker 1: the whistle diamond. It might be I don't know. Let's
Speaker 1: look that up. Is blow the whistle diamond Dwight. This
Speaker 1: is a crazy conversation, KIV. You're you're crazy right now?
Speaker 1: I am? Now about this? How about this? What's this?
Speaker 1: Name of g Z? Record me myself and I no limit?
Speaker 1: What do you want me to do? Name with two short?
Speaker 1: Rigor blow the whistle? Getting it? Oh? You're gonna do that?
Speaker 1: What do you want You're gonna do that? Okay? Cocktails?
Speaker 1: Let's see what we're doing cuss words? What do you
Speaker 1: want me to do? I see what you're doing? Too short? Bro?
Speaker 1: As a kid, and this is no offense to g
Speaker 1: because I fuck with you. I love too short. Gee,
Speaker 1: we're talking about I love to not bigger than too short.
Speaker 1: I'm not saying overall. I mean, like at the peak, no,
Speaker 1: who was who was doing arenas from the bay? Imagine
Speaker 1: fucking too short with social media in the nineties. Bro,
Speaker 1: We're not we can't we can't do that, okay, but
Speaker 1: we can imagine Gezy with social media, right, So we
Speaker 1: can't take that away? Okay? Okay? So can I just
Speaker 1: ask you one question, who's headlined arenas in the United
Speaker 1: States outside of the Bay. Since MC hammer, I'm asking
Speaker 1: from the Bay a rapper. It's only one answer. It's
Speaker 1: GZ from the Bay this headline. But jeez, he's a
Speaker 1: pop star and he's a rapper. No, he's a pop star. Okay,
Speaker 1: that's fair. Rap music, bro, he's a pop star. Okay,
Speaker 1: But but but can you answer the question to the answer?
Speaker 1: I just I just answered answered. I don't know a rapper,
Speaker 1: but was who is it? So answer the question? Who's
Speaker 1: the rapper? Pop star? G Okay, she's the same guy
Speaker 1: who brought forty on the Road. I am Sue on
Speaker 1: the Road, Kaylanne on the Road, Peelo on the Road,
Speaker 1: brought the Bay up like it's people who wouldn't have
Speaker 1: a sustainable career. Since MC hammer, we can agree that
Speaker 1: the only rapper to headline arena is across the country
Speaker 1: since I'm Hammer, Because you got people like I'm not
Speaker 1: going to hammer. I need to do my research. I
Speaker 1: gotta do my research. I can't just who was it?
Speaker 1: Who else? I don't know right off the bat. But
Speaker 1: he's a pop star and he's a rapper, rapper, He's
Speaker 1: a pop star. He's a rapper. He's a pop star.
Speaker 1: Bro name one rapper that could fucking make me myself
Speaker 1: a nun uh uh fucking Drake could make that song. Man.
Speaker 1: Drake's a pop star, Okay, Drake's also around breaks, a legends,
Speaker 1: a phenomenal rap. He's incredible. He's a top tier, top
Speaker 1: tier for sure, But he's a pop star. Logic could
Speaker 1: have made myself know he fucking wouldn't logic. He made
Speaker 1: the suicide record that ship was hard, but it wouldn't
Speaker 1: mean myself and I. So, so you're saying he could
Speaker 1: make that because he had no So he's cool enough
Speaker 1: as G to sell it, how G because because he
Speaker 1: made a song that win. Who's a better rapper? G
Speaker 1: or logic? I think logic is better? Okay yeah, lyrically logic.
Speaker 1: He's a pop star bro, but he's a rapper. He
Speaker 1: raps on pop records. No No Limit is a rap song,
Speaker 1: Random is a rap song? What are we talking about?
Speaker 1: Was Cardi B song Man? West Coast is a rap song? So,
Speaker 1: so I won, just so we know you didn't win.
Speaker 1: He didn't win. I'm gonna do my research because of
Speaker 1: what I didn't say. Was. I did not say too
Speaker 1: Short wasn't bigger in the culture and more important, I
Speaker 1: didn't say that. I'm saying metrically at their peak, it's gazy,
Speaker 1: and he made records that weren't. And but he also
Speaker 1: made some barrier shiit he made by calm down and
Speaker 1: you might you're right. He is white, so he had
Speaker 1: a lot of too Short can't do some of that
Speaker 1: ship gzn. He's a pop star, bro, I don't listen
Speaker 1: we we. I was trying to bring the conversation around
Speaker 1: to saying that g was huge because he made non
Speaker 1: traditional Bay music like No Limit is not it's eighty
Speaker 1: a BPNs. Yes, but think about okay, think if a
Speaker 1: black person made the same music. Mad, You're right, I
Speaker 1: wouldn't work. I'm not saying you're you're right. I agree fully.
Speaker 1: So he's a pop star. He's a white rap rapper
Speaker 1: because rappers don't have the privilege to do what pop
Speaker 1: stars do. Eminem is a white rapper. Who if somebody
Speaker 1: imagine if somebody like Eminem or just as if some
Speaker 1: doesn't get the I agree, But we can't just take
Speaker 1: them out of You can't ignore the numbers. That's all
Speaker 1: I'm saying I'm right saying they're enhanced because of a
Speaker 1: certain demographic. You're right, That's what I'm saying. Can it
Speaker 1: be true that both of us are right? No, because
Speaker 1: I'm top five on the Albums of the Year, so
Speaker 1: somebody gotta win. So we're both right, We're both right.
Speaker 1: We'll agree to disagree. White Lives Matter. Tell me your
Speaker 1: take on Kanye's T shirt. Okay, a white man owns
Speaker 1: the slogan black Lives Matter? What if Kanye owns the
Speaker 1: slogan white Lives Matter? Can I break some news right now? Okay,
Speaker 1: my best friend in the entire world is a black man?
Speaker 1: Ramses owns White Lives Matter? Is he linked with Kanye? No? Well,
Speaker 1: I don't know. Kanye don't own it, but a black
Speaker 1: man does. A black man owns White lives matter? Right now?
Speaker 1: So Kanye is promoting black businesses? Yeah, I mean I
Speaker 1: don't think Kanye knew that because he just bought the
Speaker 1: fun What if he did know? You don't think it's
Speaker 1: a little like a like Uh, I'm not saying greet right,
Speaker 1: I'm just saying, instead of us all bashed, let's see
Speaker 1: what's the madness behind it? Like, does he own this slogan.
Speaker 1: I know Candice Owens has a documentary coming out about
Speaker 1: all the money Black Lives Matters stole from people? Is
Speaker 1: this merch for that? So my thing is is a
Speaker 1: couple of things can be right. One, Black Lives Matter
Speaker 1: the organization, Yes, clearly bullshit some bullshit, yes, right, Yes,
Speaker 1: I donated. I Also I'm glad I talked to Killer
Speaker 1: Mike when all that was happening, because he told me
Speaker 1: who to give money to, and I give it to
Speaker 1: like not like I gave it to money went to
Speaker 1: Joe Biden whoever went So that's true, right, Yes, the
Speaker 1: fucking foundation is obviously corrupt. Yes. What also is true
Speaker 1: is the term Black Lives Matter is factual, and the
Speaker 1: reason why it became a thing was because it is
Speaker 1: pretty evident that in the United States, black lives have
Speaker 1: never been valued in the same way white lives have
Speaker 1: been valued. Right, So I think in the spawn of
Speaker 1: like Black Lives Matter becoming this movement that a lot
Speaker 1: of old white people associated with riots and violence and shit,
Speaker 1: white Lives Matter became the opposite, or All Lives Matter
Speaker 1: became like the super like crazy redneck trump maga hat
Speaker 1: wearing ass thing. To say, so the term white lives
Speaker 1: matter is also true. White lives matter, sure they do.
Speaker 1: All lives matter, all lives, of course, all lives. But
Speaker 1: I just think that that when you say white lives matter,
Speaker 1: it's not just them, like what Kanye said on Tucker Carlson.
Speaker 1: I said it because it's true, like he's not wrong,
Speaker 1: But at the same time, like the symbolism of wearing that,
Speaker 1: I think that's where it gets combative because it's like
Speaker 1: exactly what you're saying. It comes across as you're going
Speaker 1: against just to do it just But I don't think
Speaker 1: at the level Kanye's that, and you know, I could
Speaker 1: be wrong that he would just do that. To do that,
Speaker 1: I think there's definitely some type of method behind it,
Speaker 1: and there's something coming behind I don't know what it is.
Speaker 1: But what I'm going to say is until I fully know,
Speaker 1: I'm not just going to develop an opinion and just
Speaker 1: be like, oh, fuck Kanye because he wore a white
Speaker 1: Lives manager, I want to see what's the medic behind it. Now,
Speaker 1: if it's solely him just being a dick, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean, and want to be eco bad of,
Speaker 1: then I'm not for that. But if it is something
Speaker 1: behind it, the way he's trying to change the narrative,
Speaker 1: let's see how. And I understood like his reasoning for
Speaker 1: wearing the Trump hat because I think he is I
Speaker 1: didn't get that. So I understood it because he essentially
Speaker 1: was saying, you don't have to like the Democratic Party
Speaker 1: has taking advantage of the black vote forever. For sure.
Speaker 1: The whole reason why Joe Biden is a president is
Speaker 1: because I think it was the South Carolina. Has anybody
Speaker 1: seen Kamala Harris? She's from your city, right, has anybody
Speaker 1: seen her? I don't know, man, I haven't seen her
Speaker 1: since she was Yes, Joe, we did it. We did it, Joe,
Speaker 1: I haven't seen her. I'd like to see you outside.
Speaker 1: But I think him wearing the Maga hat was a
Speaker 1: point to be made that hey, we're not automatic, like
Speaker 1: think freely, think to yourself just because you're black. But
Speaker 1: that's Kanye, Yeah, that's Kanye. I think sometimes he's so
Speaker 1: much of a Ford thinker, right, it gets the message
Speaker 1: gets lost because of the way it's communicated at times.
Speaker 1: I don't think he means any harm. I think he's
Speaker 1: a disruptor, right, I think he's a creative genius. I
Speaker 1: just think sometimes he communicates his message in a confusing
Speaker 1: way to certain people. But I don't think we should
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Speaker 1: Have you ever like heard of Kanye fucking with your
Speaker 1: shit at all? Or I worked with Kanye? You've worked
Speaker 1: with him? Yeah? I worked on Donda for four days
Speaker 1: in the Mercedes ben Stadium. Wow, what the best experiences
Speaker 1: in my life. That's why I said I can't just
Speaker 1: bash him because you've been around him. You know him
Speaker 1: is something to it, Like he's always thinking forty that's
Speaker 1: when he was living there, right, Yeah, Yeah, he was
Speaker 1: there for forty Well, he was there for like a month,
Speaker 1: but I was there for four days. And watch him
Speaker 1: write a song, go in another room doing melody, Go
Speaker 1: in another room and design a building. Going to cafeteria
Speaker 1: and have a meeting with Belinciaga about what the fashion
Speaker 1: show needs to look like in twenty twenty five. Yeah,
Speaker 1: go to rehearsals, go to choreography, go back in the
Speaker 1: room and tell them joints to make a beat. Take
Speaker 1: a certain part of that beat and send it to
Speaker 1: eighty eight keys. Like he's he's just a creative guy,
Speaker 1: you know. So it's like I can't being around somebody
Speaker 1: like that. It's hard to just say they're coming from
Speaker 1: a place of malice, that's fair. You know, you kind
Speaker 1: of gotta see it all the way through because you
Speaker 1: might not have the full information contact. Yeah, so I
Speaker 1: gotta wait and see. I don't I don't know. I
Speaker 1: can't just make an opinion being around Kanye and Doctor Dre. Yeah,
Speaker 1: creative processes I've heard on each side are insane, Like,
Speaker 1: what was the biggest difference I heard Dre's perfectionists like
Speaker 1: a crazy perfectionist. Dre is somebody I would say that
Speaker 1: it was where he wants to go and take time
Speaker 1: to get there. Kanye is somebody that takes time to
Speaker 1: get to where he doesn't want to go. Don't know
Speaker 1: where he want to go yet, Like the journey is
Speaker 1: the journey free right, right, So he might always known, yeah,
Speaker 1: Like he might hear a beat and like, for instance,
Speaker 1: I did a certain melody in a cadence right, and
Speaker 1: I did a rap to it. He didn't like the words,
Speaker 1: but he liked the cadence right. And then he heard
Speaker 1: a specific beat and he only liked about four bars
Speaker 1: of the beat, and then he took that four bars,
Speaker 1: sent it to another producer, and then changed it. So
Speaker 1: you ever noticed when his songs that play for like
Speaker 1: eight bars and then do something like doom doom, doom,
Speaker 1: doom doom do then it change. That's like four or
Speaker 1: five different producers all on one idea. So he might
Speaker 1: take one part of this beat, one part of this beat,
Speaker 1: one part of his beat, and figure out way how
Speaker 1: to mess him and then do the song on top
Speaker 1: of that and still bringing a Mike Dean or a
Speaker 1: Travis Scott or somebody like that to take it to
Speaker 1: the next level. So with him, it's just constant creativity.
Speaker 1: But Dre is like, I know where I'm going, Like
Speaker 1: I know how this need to sound, I know how
Speaker 1: this need to feel, I know what I want to say,
Speaker 1: I know what I want to do. He takes his
Speaker 1: time to get there. With Kanye, is just free lance
Speaker 1: till we figure it out. From what I've seen. Wow,
Speaker 1: that's dope. I mean because both of those guys are
Speaker 1: We always hear about the processes being so incredible, some
Speaker 1: of the greatest to ever do it. What is your
Speaker 1: top five rap albums of all time? Simba Top five
Speaker 1: rap albums no order, in no order and no order
Speaker 1: fifty Get Rich of Dad Trying. Oh yeah, Kanye was
Speaker 1: the college dropout, jay Z the blueprint, okay over reasonable
Speaker 1: doubt hunh Yeah, I'm a blueprint guy. That's fair. That's fair.
Speaker 1: Doug Motivation one on one, great album. I think Thug
Speaker 1: Motivation one on one is better than ye Madic. I
Speaker 1: respect your opinion. I don't agree, but I respect it.
Speaker 1: Why don't you agree? I just like Illmatic e Maadics.
Speaker 1: Why because everybody says it's a classic. I mean, now,
Speaker 1: he's my favorite MC of all time. When was the
Speaker 1: last time he lives in Deal Madic? Yesterday? I was
Speaker 1: listening to New York State of Mind is a fucking
Speaker 1: hip hop er, that's all. What do you want for me? Man?
Speaker 1: It's a hip hoper, man, it's ten songs, it's a
Speaker 1: hipoper no I love, I love listen TM one on
Speaker 1: one is fucking exquisite. I listen to that album more
Speaker 1: than I Madic. I think still Madic is better than
Speaker 1: yill Madic. You see, the thing is is there's a
Speaker 1: song on still Matic called Brave Heart Party feature Mary J.
Speaker 1: Blige that is one of the worst NOA songs ever,
Speaker 1: And it's just that song's fucking terrible, and just the
Speaker 1: fact that that is on Steal Maatic takes it out
Speaker 1: of the conversation. In fact, it's such a terrible song
Speaker 1: that when they repressed Steal Madic like two years later,
Speaker 1: they took it off. Have you ever heard of someone
Speaker 1: doing that? Imagine the song being so shitty that there
Speaker 1: are certain versions you buy and it's just not there anymore.
Speaker 1: It's almost like the Trey song song on teflon Don. Fuck,
Speaker 1: that song's garbage. It's like the only it's like the
Speaker 1: the only song on teflon Don. That's like I got you. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I would say you got one more college drop Thug Motivation,
Speaker 1: Get rich Get Richard Trying, and future Monster Monster. I mean,
Speaker 1: he is your favorite rapper, right, so it'd only be
Speaker 1: right if you had him included in your top five.
Speaker 1: Not quite an album though it was on that pit
Speaker 1: for a very long time. Album. That's just during the
Speaker 1: time we call everything mixed tapes because it was free
Speaker 1: to U blot. That's fair. I respect it. I got
Speaker 1: to get rid of that Trying in my top five,
Speaker 1: I got. I got the Reasonable Doubt though over Blueprint,
Speaker 1: and I have I have late registration over Blue Guy
Speaker 1: because I'm somebody that likes simplistic lyricism, so I felt
Speaker 1: like Reasonable Doubt was so lyrical, like it's a hard
Speaker 1: listen for me. But Blueprint it's like very digestible. Also,
Speaker 1: I got Doggie Style in there. Doggy Styles definitely, Yeah,
Speaker 1: definitely in the top It's up there for sure. And
Speaker 1: then my beautiful dark twist of Fantasy that's one of
Speaker 1: the greatest hip hop's albums. I actually think it's the
Speaker 1: greatest ever. It's not my favorite Kanye album, but it
Speaker 1: might be. It's probably it might be the most perfect
Speaker 1: album the rappers ever made. It might be. I think
Speaker 1: that is like one of the greatest album But like
Speaker 1: you said, it's not my personal favorite. My personal Kanye
Speaker 1: favorite is college dropout or I look, really, registration. What
Speaker 1: was the next one? Graduating? Graduation? College drop out and
Speaker 1: graduation is my favorite. Yeah that's fair, all right? So
Speaker 1: the album is out? Yeah, results take time, number five
Speaker 1: album in the world compared to Blueleg if the top
Speaker 1: five album of the year man top five? Thanks, I'm
Speaker 1: just you know, kid out here number five. I mean,
Speaker 1: there's plenty of years Lebron was fitting MVP voting. It's
Speaker 1: not fair. How you be the best player in the
Speaker 1: world and you're just number five. Sounds like what I'm
Speaker 1: going through here at the Bootleg cam show. Ladies and gentlemen.
Speaker 1: You could be the best in the world and be
Speaker 1: number five. So the number five album of the year
Speaker 1: is out, you could go support it. Yeah, and maybe
Speaker 1: it's in your top one. Yeah, yeah, it could be.
Speaker 1: It could be. It's you. It's your favorite album. I
Speaker 1: think it's one. Yeah, I don't. I don't think it's
Speaker 1: a project out with that much balance. And then you
Speaker 1: got Futures album number two Yeah yeah, and Fred and
Speaker 1: Kendrick and j I D. Push Your T's album was
Speaker 1: crazy and Push your T. Yeah, I just said, what
Speaker 1: was it like getting pushed on on that record? Because
Speaker 1: that record it was dope, man, because you know me
Speaker 1: and push knew each other for a minute. Yeah, so
Speaker 1: it was it was it was dope because it took
Speaker 1: us a minute to find the right record to do.
Speaker 1: But once we kind of like, once I made that.
Speaker 1: I'm glad you put the original first though, because I
Speaker 1: love I love the verse that got left off the
Speaker 1: Pusher one. Yeah. Yeah, first verse, the first verse the
Speaker 1: best verse because it's so relatable to Cali. Yeah, like
Speaker 1: that's but that's originally when I was writing the song,
Speaker 1: I was writing it from a perspective of I was
Speaker 1: originally about to make it this comparison between La and
Speaker 1: the Bay, right, That's what I felt like, And it
Speaker 1: first took a turn into like all the things we
Speaker 1: do to get money to never end up broke. That's
Speaker 1: tight there, it is, Manok. The tours about the end.
Speaker 1: By the time this comes out, the tour be over. Definitely. Man,
Speaker 1: thank you to my brother Jodan Lucas. You know, that's
Speaker 1: that's become my real homie while we've been on this road.
Speaker 1: I appreciate him like a motherfucker man. He's taught me
Speaker 1: a lot, gave me a big opportunity, helped me gain
Speaker 1: a lot of new fans. Tours been great. I'm excited
Speaker 1: to get back in the studio and just bro, can
Speaker 1: we get some merch? Yeah? About that? What's up with
Speaker 1: the merch? Bro? I'm like over here trying to like, yo,
Speaker 1: can I like, there's no fucking merch? What are you doing?
Speaker 1: You're on tour. You should be selling t shirts every
Speaker 1: fucking tour stop. The merch got fucked up. The merch
Speaker 1: got fucked up? Was that because of Atlantic. It was
Speaker 1: nothing to do with Atlantic. It was the company that
Speaker 1: we decided to run with ended up fucking the merch up,
Speaker 1: and it was a long back order and this whole thing.
Speaker 1: So we went with a new company and got new
Speaker 1: designs and we'll be having you guys missed out on
Speaker 1: a lot of money on the road. Yeah, I'm not
Speaker 1: really worried about the money though. The money well, you know,
Speaker 1: but you also it's kind of cool to know that
Speaker 1: there's like somebody in Saint Louis or whatever the fuck
Speaker 1: for sure, but I don't never want to give people
Speaker 1: some ship just to make money off of them. I
Speaker 1: want people to have a quality T shirt, quality Swiss
Speaker 1: suit or whatever. I'm assuming The merch was just was it?
Speaker 1: Was it like you said, it was a supply chain thing. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but it just wasn't right. It didn't It didn't come
Speaker 1: out right, didn't look good. The quality didn't really look
Speaker 1: look as great as we were told it would look.
Speaker 1: And me, I wouldn't want to sell people something that
Speaker 1: I wouldn't wear, you know what I mean. I mean,
Speaker 1: if I'm not gonna wear it, why would I sell
Speaker 1: it to you? And I just felt like it wasn't
Speaker 1: something I would wear. So that's beautiful, man. That quality
Speaker 1: control make it separate you from a lot of people. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so we got we got some merch on the way though,
Speaker 1: it'll be here. Let's put the album cover. No, no, no,
Speaker 1: we got some We got some ship. You could wear
Speaker 1: it to the club, all right, some fly ship there
Speaker 1: it is Simba appreciate you. Shout out to the Bootleg
Speaker 1: podcast I love this guy right here, Top five album
Speaker 1: of the year. Come on, let's get it.