1 00:00:11,760 --> 00:00:14,640 Speaker 1: Good morning, peeps, and welcome to look f daily with me, 2 00:00:14,840 --> 00:00:19,000 Speaker 1: your girl Danielle Mudy recording from the Home Bunker. Folks, 3 00:00:19,040 --> 00:00:23,520 Speaker 1: if you have been watching some of c Span, which, 4 00:00:23,680 --> 00:00:25,239 Speaker 1: for the love of God, I don't know why you 5 00:00:25,280 --> 00:00:28,880 Speaker 1: would torture yourself, but it has become more and more 6 00:00:29,080 --> 00:00:36,920 Speaker 1: entertaining as our house looks like Parliament right now, with 7 00:00:37,159 --> 00:00:41,559 Speaker 1: how these Republican members are taking to the floor with 8 00:00:41,800 --> 00:00:48,880 Speaker 1: their outrageous lies, their racism, their slip of the tongue 9 00:00:48,960 --> 00:00:53,080 Speaker 1: right as referring to people of color as colored people, 10 00:00:53,320 --> 00:00:57,080 Speaker 1: because apparently we're not in the twenty first century. In 11 00:00:57,160 --> 00:00:59,200 Speaker 1: the year is not twenty twenty three, maybe it is 12 00:00:59,240 --> 00:01:03,200 Speaker 1: sixteen to twenty for the Republican Party. But as we're 13 00:01:03,320 --> 00:01:10,800 Speaker 1: watching members of Congress, these white Republican members say all 14 00:01:10,840 --> 00:01:14,800 Speaker 1: of the quiet parts out loud, air out their white 15 00:01:14,840 --> 00:01:19,960 Speaker 1: supremacist desires, air out their white nationalism. You are watching 16 00:01:20,600 --> 00:01:26,399 Speaker 1: Democrats absolutely lose their patience because I have long been saying, 17 00:01:26,959 --> 00:01:30,479 Speaker 1: why do we need to deal in civility with people 18 00:01:30,560 --> 00:01:34,200 Speaker 1: that are uncivil? Why do we need to deal in 19 00:01:34,280 --> 00:01:39,720 Speaker 1: niceties with people who are remarkably cruel? Because that is 20 00:01:39,760 --> 00:01:43,800 Speaker 1: what the Republican Party is. They are a body that 21 00:01:43,959 --> 00:01:48,000 Speaker 1: believes in cruelty, that believes in oppression, and that believes 22 00:01:48,000 --> 00:01:51,559 Speaker 1: in white supremacy. And every single time that we hear 23 00:01:51,680 --> 00:01:55,240 Speaker 1: these quote unquote slips of the tongue or we hear 24 00:01:55,320 --> 00:01:59,840 Speaker 1: members quote unquote misspeak, they are not misspeaking. They are 25 00:02:00,080 --> 00:02:02,600 Speaker 1: telling you exactly what it is that they think, what 26 00:02:02,640 --> 00:02:05,440 Speaker 1: it is that they believe, and what their vision for 27 00:02:05,520 --> 00:02:10,440 Speaker 1: America is. You know, oftentimes on this show, I say 28 00:02:10,639 --> 00:02:13,680 Speaker 1: that Republicans have no policy plan, and you know what 29 00:02:14,040 --> 00:02:18,440 Speaker 1: that is untrue. They absolutely have a policy plan. It 30 00:02:18,520 --> 00:02:22,960 Speaker 1: is to roll back every single advancement that has been 31 00:02:23,000 --> 00:02:26,840 Speaker 1: made on behalf of people of color, of LGBTQ, people 32 00:02:27,280 --> 00:02:30,920 Speaker 1: of anyone from a marginalized background, for anyone that is 33 00:02:30,960 --> 00:02:33,760 Speaker 1: not white, that is not cis, that is not hetero, 34 00:02:33,880 --> 00:02:37,119 Speaker 1: and that is not male. That is their goal. Their 35 00:02:37,160 --> 00:02:41,919 Speaker 1: goal is to drag this country kicking and screaming back, 36 00:02:42,200 --> 00:02:44,960 Speaker 1: not even to the twentieth century, dear friends, but to 37 00:02:45,000 --> 00:02:49,519 Speaker 1: the nineteenth century. That is what they want because their 38 00:02:49,639 --> 00:02:54,160 Speaker 1: vision for America does not have room for anyone else. 39 00:02:55,320 --> 00:03:00,000 Speaker 1: You know, last week I made mention of Rand Paul 40 00:03:01,000 --> 00:03:06,120 Speaker 1: talking about the fact that athletes now are able to 41 00:03:06,639 --> 00:03:11,600 Speaker 1: make money off of their likeness at universities and colleges 42 00:03:11,639 --> 00:03:14,400 Speaker 1: across the country that play sports that are bringing in 43 00:03:14,680 --> 00:03:17,880 Speaker 1: tens of millions of dollars to these teams, and ram 44 00:03:17,919 --> 00:03:21,400 Speaker 1: Paul is just outdone by it, right, and he said 45 00:03:21,440 --> 00:03:25,280 Speaker 1: a very racist comment that, of course mainstream media just 46 00:03:25,560 --> 00:03:30,240 Speaker 1: kind of allowed to fall on non listening ears. But 47 00:03:30,280 --> 00:03:34,000 Speaker 1: the reality in ram Paul's statement when he said, oh, well, 48 00:03:34,040 --> 00:03:36,840 Speaker 1: now we're just going to have a bunch of athletes 49 00:03:36,880 --> 00:03:40,000 Speaker 1: that are driving around and rolls Royce's and Bentley's and 50 00:03:40,040 --> 00:03:43,360 Speaker 1: they're acting more like rap stars than they are athletes, 51 00:03:44,680 --> 00:03:50,240 Speaker 1: the truth in that statement is that he believes, as 52 00:03:50,320 --> 00:03:53,600 Speaker 1: the entirety of the Republican Party believes that black and 53 00:03:53,680 --> 00:03:58,880 Speaker 1: brown people only need to be in service to whiteness. 54 00:04:00,280 --> 00:04:04,840 Speaker 1: They only need to be working for the advancement and 55 00:04:04,920 --> 00:04:12,920 Speaker 1: the economic advantages for white people. God forbid, right, God forbid. 56 00:04:12,960 --> 00:04:16,520 Speaker 1: You have student loan debt relief that allows you to 57 00:04:16,720 --> 00:04:19,640 Speaker 1: choose what kind of job that you get that isn't 58 00:04:19,760 --> 00:04:23,279 Speaker 1: just based on how quickly you can pay back your 59 00:04:23,320 --> 00:04:28,600 Speaker 1: loans so that interests don't occur. If you are not suffering, 60 00:04:29,360 --> 00:04:34,360 Speaker 1: then you're able to act from a place of independence, 61 00:04:34,760 --> 00:04:39,919 Speaker 1: of freedom, and your choices open up. And what I 62 00:04:40,000 --> 00:04:43,239 Speaker 1: realize is that that is not what the Republican Party wants. 63 00:04:44,160 --> 00:04:48,599 Speaker 1: Every single policy that they are instituting, whether it is 64 00:04:48,760 --> 00:04:52,520 Speaker 1: Rohn de Santis in Florida, Abbot in Texas, or these 65 00:04:52,560 --> 00:04:55,279 Speaker 1: white supremaist members of the Senate and of the House, 66 00:04:55,800 --> 00:04:58,680 Speaker 1: everything that they are offering the American people is not 67 00:04:58,800 --> 00:05:05,200 Speaker 1: about expanding opportunity. It is about erasing it, shutting doors 68 00:05:05,480 --> 00:05:11,240 Speaker 1: and windows and access completely because in their minds, that's 69 00:05:11,320 --> 00:05:15,760 Speaker 1: the only way that white people can succeed, which means 70 00:05:15,760 --> 00:05:19,640 Speaker 1: to me that you're not fucking excellent as is, because 71 00:05:19,680 --> 00:05:23,440 Speaker 1: if you have no ability to fucking compete, right then 72 00:05:23,720 --> 00:05:28,040 Speaker 1: you are mediocre at fucking best. And so when I 73 00:05:28,080 --> 00:05:32,240 Speaker 1: look at these statements that are being made and how 74 00:05:32,320 --> 00:05:37,320 Speaker 1: mainstream media is not calling them out, it is just 75 00:05:37,400 --> 00:05:44,960 Speaker 1: allowing the Republican Party to normalize white supremaist ideology and 76 00:05:45,040 --> 00:05:50,040 Speaker 1: to call it anything else is to gaslight the American public. 77 00:05:51,760 --> 00:05:56,320 Speaker 1: Coming up next my conversation with Kaivon Shroff, who is 78 00:05:56,360 --> 00:05:59,359 Speaker 1: a political influencer and attorney, and we get into a 79 00:05:59,400 --> 00:06:02,839 Speaker 1: conversation about all the ways that the recent decisions that 80 00:06:02,920 --> 00:06:06,160 Speaker 1: the Supreme Court has made with regard to affirmative Action 81 00:06:06,600 --> 00:06:14,560 Speaker 1: and student loan debt relief are going to affect future generations, folks. 82 00:06:14,600 --> 00:06:18,120 Speaker 1: I am very happy to welcome back to wok F 83 00:06:18,320 --> 00:06:22,880 Speaker 1: Daily friend of the show Kaivon Shroff. Who is a 84 00:06:24,200 --> 00:06:27,640 Speaker 1: KI I don't even I say political influencer. I say 85 00:06:27,920 --> 00:06:30,000 Speaker 1: a person that has spent over a decade in the 86 00:06:30,040 --> 00:06:34,479 Speaker 1: ivy League. I say a recent graduate of the Kennedy 87 00:06:34,560 --> 00:06:38,760 Speaker 1: Law School. And somebody who I follow you know now 88 00:06:38,800 --> 00:06:42,320 Speaker 1: on threads, but in Twitter as well and on TikTok. 89 00:06:43,640 --> 00:06:47,000 Speaker 1: An influencer in so many ways. You've written a piece. 90 00:06:47,040 --> 00:06:50,880 Speaker 1: You've wrote a couple of pieces recently with regard to 91 00:06:51,000 --> 00:06:56,320 Speaker 1: affirmative action, the first one being talking largely about this 92 00:06:56,400 --> 00:07:01,000 Speaker 1: imperfect law that we had right that we no longer 93 00:07:01,040 --> 00:07:04,560 Speaker 1: have after the six to three decision by the Supreme 94 00:07:04,600 --> 00:07:10,960 Speaker 1: Court that essentially made it illegal for universities and colleges 95 00:07:11,040 --> 00:07:15,120 Speaker 1: to be able to use race as one of the 96 00:07:15,160 --> 00:07:17,800 Speaker 1: tools of admission, right, to be able to use people's 97 00:07:17,800 --> 00:07:22,240 Speaker 1: lived experiences as one of the tools for admission into 98 00:07:23,000 --> 00:07:27,720 Speaker 1: secondary education. And in your piece, you know, you open 99 00:07:27,840 --> 00:07:32,960 Speaker 1: up with talking about the fact that as an Asian American, 100 00:07:33,720 --> 00:07:37,000 Speaker 1: you know the journey that you have had being in 101 00:07:37,160 --> 00:07:42,120 Speaker 1: higher education and going after these degrees where you see 102 00:07:42,280 --> 00:07:45,800 Speaker 1: less and less people of color, both in the student 103 00:07:45,880 --> 00:07:49,320 Speaker 1: body and also on the faculty. So before we put 104 00:07:49,360 --> 00:07:51,960 Speaker 1: on your legal hat, I wanted you to give the 105 00:07:52,080 --> 00:07:55,440 Speaker 1: audience kind of a picture into what it has been 106 00:07:55,640 --> 00:08:00,920 Speaker 1: like being in the Ivy League for the last decade, 107 00:08:01,200 --> 00:08:01,640 Speaker 1: for sure. 108 00:08:01,800 --> 00:08:04,200 Speaker 2: So I think one of the this is a very 109 00:08:04,200 --> 00:08:06,920 Speaker 2: personal Supreme Court decision for me because I can just 110 00:08:06,960 --> 00:08:09,960 Speaker 2: think of so many people and faces that I've spent 111 00:08:10,080 --> 00:08:13,720 Speaker 2: that last decade with who have added so much value 112 00:08:13,760 --> 00:08:16,240 Speaker 2: not only to my education but also to who I 113 00:08:16,280 --> 00:08:18,840 Speaker 2: am today because I got to spend that time with 114 00:08:18,960 --> 00:08:23,440 Speaker 2: them learning with them as well. So I think the 115 00:08:23,600 --> 00:08:26,200 Speaker 2: loss here is very hard to capture for a lot 116 00:08:26,200 --> 00:08:29,640 Speaker 2: of people that aren't there. But the reality is the 117 00:08:29,720 --> 00:08:35,520 Speaker 2: story of affirmative actions has been so sort of falsely portrayed, 118 00:08:35,559 --> 00:08:39,520 Speaker 2: I think largely by institutional media, but also obviously by 119 00:08:39,640 --> 00:08:42,880 Speaker 2: you know, this right wing agenda that really ultimately got. 120 00:08:42,679 --> 00:08:45,400 Speaker 3: This case through on the court, not only. 121 00:08:45,240 --> 00:08:49,160 Speaker 2: Hitting Asian Americans against other minority groups, but also just 122 00:08:49,520 --> 00:08:53,680 Speaker 2: making a false statement that somehow at Ivy League schools 123 00:08:53,679 --> 00:08:57,360 Speaker 2: at Harvard, at Brown, at Yale. You know there's all 124 00:08:57,440 --> 00:09:01,360 Speaker 2: minorities and a white guy can't get in. That's absolutely 125 00:09:01,559 --> 00:09:04,160 Speaker 2: not the case. A quick Google search of the makeup 126 00:09:04,160 --> 00:09:07,080 Speaker 2: of any of those classes will show you that that's 127 00:09:07,080 --> 00:09:09,360 Speaker 2: not true. So I think it's just alarming that that 128 00:09:09,480 --> 00:09:14,040 Speaker 2: data has not pierced through. Then you have the Supreme Court, who, 129 00:09:14,240 --> 00:09:17,160 Speaker 2: let's be clear, every single lower court and we'll get 130 00:09:17,160 --> 00:09:19,880 Speaker 2: to the legal piece later, but every single lower court 131 00:09:20,240 --> 00:09:24,319 Speaker 2: approved of Harvard's approach to admissions and what Harvard was doing. 132 00:09:24,520 --> 00:09:26,320 Speaker 3: And I think this just makes so much sense. 133 00:09:26,320 --> 00:09:28,120 Speaker 2: And I think most people, when you have a normal 134 00:09:28,160 --> 00:09:30,440 Speaker 2: discussion about it, think it makes a lot of sense. 135 00:09:30,760 --> 00:09:34,600 Speaker 2: Was considering people in their context, giving credit to a 136 00:09:34,679 --> 00:09:38,960 Speaker 2: whole range of factors, of which one factor was race. 137 00:09:39,320 --> 00:09:41,319 Speaker 3: But you never have that conversation. 138 00:09:41,520 --> 00:09:44,160 Speaker 2: For example, an image that's been burned in my brain 139 00:09:44,280 --> 00:09:48,200 Speaker 2: sort of since this decision. I gave a presentation at 140 00:09:48,240 --> 00:09:50,240 Speaker 2: Harvard Law School when I was a student there on 141 00:09:50,360 --> 00:09:52,920 Speaker 2: DEI and one of the things I wanted to, you know, 142 00:09:53,200 --> 00:09:57,840 Speaker 2: classic liberal and point out, was, you know, the geography 143 00:09:57,880 --> 00:10:00,800 Speaker 2: is a factor in diversity and including Usually we often 144 00:10:00,840 --> 00:10:03,640 Speaker 2: overlook that and get to the quick Google and looked 145 00:10:03,640 --> 00:10:06,160 Speaker 2: at Harvard Law Schools admissions website and they were bragging, 146 00:10:06,200 --> 00:10:08,800 Speaker 2: you know, we got people from forty nine states. And 147 00:10:08,840 --> 00:10:10,679 Speaker 2: I think it was surprising to some of my classmates 148 00:10:10,720 --> 00:10:13,200 Speaker 2: that not all fifty states were represented in that class 149 00:10:13,200 --> 00:10:17,200 Speaker 2: at HLS. And of course the missing state Montana. Montana 150 00:10:17,280 --> 00:10:20,320 Speaker 2: is forty third in the nation in education. It's a 151 00:10:20,400 --> 00:10:24,040 Speaker 2: deep red state, it's a mostly white state. And if 152 00:10:24,080 --> 00:10:26,920 Speaker 2: you don't think that the Harvard Missions office is bending 153 00:10:26,960 --> 00:10:29,920 Speaker 2: over backwards, turning over every rock in the country to 154 00:10:30,000 --> 00:10:33,199 Speaker 2: find a qualified applicant from Montana so that they can 155 00:10:33,240 --> 00:10:35,720 Speaker 2: say they have all fifty states in their class, you 156 00:10:35,800 --> 00:10:36,600 Speaker 2: are diluted. 157 00:10:36,679 --> 00:10:38,120 Speaker 3: That is absolutely happening. 158 00:10:38,240 --> 00:10:40,679 Speaker 2: It's happening at all schools across the country, and a 159 00:10:40,720 --> 00:10:44,400 Speaker 2: lot of these schools are often investing greater resources and 160 00:10:44,440 --> 00:10:47,400 Speaker 2: trying to get those rural recruits. Then they are finding 161 00:10:47,440 --> 00:10:51,319 Speaker 2: that you know, lower income cliche quote unquote affirmative action 162 00:10:51,559 --> 00:10:53,280 Speaker 2: student that people have in their heads. 163 00:10:53,400 --> 00:10:56,719 Speaker 3: Now, I personally, I absolutely support that. Of course, I 164 00:10:56,800 --> 00:10:57,120 Speaker 3: think we. 165 00:10:57,040 --> 00:10:59,120 Speaker 2: Should have people from all the states at a school. 166 00:10:59,160 --> 00:11:00,920 Speaker 2: At CorV Law School, and I think there is a 167 00:11:00,960 --> 00:11:03,800 Speaker 2: gap there. It speaks to our higher education crisis in 168 00:11:03,840 --> 00:11:06,680 Speaker 2: the country, that that's not the case. But I think, 169 00:11:06,720 --> 00:11:10,440 Speaker 2: you know, the conversation has been so misconstrued and boiled 170 00:11:10,440 --> 00:11:12,600 Speaker 2: down into these right wing topping points that we just 171 00:11:12,920 --> 00:11:16,400 Speaker 2: accept sort of as a given, and it's it's false. 172 00:11:17,400 --> 00:11:19,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, And I think that you know, frankly, the way 173 00:11:19,440 --> 00:11:22,320 Speaker 1: that affirmative action had been discussed since the beginning of 174 00:11:22,400 --> 00:11:26,520 Speaker 1: time has been wrong, right, which is that, oh, these 175 00:11:26,559 --> 00:11:30,360 Speaker 1: seats are set aside for people who happen to be 176 00:11:30,400 --> 00:11:33,959 Speaker 1: of color but are underqualified, And that is not the case, right. 177 00:11:34,000 --> 00:11:37,920 Speaker 1: That is, it has always been that because that the 178 00:11:38,080 --> 00:11:41,280 Speaker 1: additive of being a person of color, you have had 179 00:11:42,000 --> 00:11:46,839 Speaker 1: other obstacles, right in order to overcome to get to 180 00:11:46,880 --> 00:11:50,640 Speaker 1: this same point that a white student had no obstacles. 181 00:11:50,679 --> 00:11:53,920 Speaker 1: But you've arrived in the same place. Your journeys are different. 182 00:11:54,440 --> 00:11:58,760 Speaker 1: And I think that this desire to have an ahistorical 183 00:11:58,840 --> 00:12:03,439 Speaker 1: approach to our admissions process is one that we're not 184 00:12:03,480 --> 00:12:07,120 Speaker 1: only seeing reflected in higher education with this affirmative action case, 185 00:12:07,320 --> 00:12:10,120 Speaker 1: but we're seeing in states like Florida and in Texas 186 00:12:10,200 --> 00:12:15,000 Speaker 1: right where you're having a complete erasure right of black history, 187 00:12:15,040 --> 00:12:18,720 Speaker 1: of history outside of the lens of white, cisk hetero men, 188 00:12:19,320 --> 00:12:23,360 Speaker 1: and how this is fueling our policy decisions. I want 189 00:12:23,360 --> 00:12:25,800 Speaker 1: to give you an opportunity to talk now with your 190 00:12:25,880 --> 00:12:30,920 Speaker 1: legal hat on about what you believe the ramifications will 191 00:12:30,960 --> 00:12:34,880 Speaker 1: be following this decision and what else you think is 192 00:12:34,920 --> 00:12:38,200 Speaker 1: at stake, right, because many have talked about that this 193 00:12:38,280 --> 00:12:43,079 Speaker 1: affirmative action isn't only about education, but it's also about 194 00:12:43,200 --> 00:12:46,319 Speaker 1: hiring practices, right, and so how do you think that 195 00:12:46,320 --> 00:12:47,720 Speaker 1: that will be affected as well? 196 00:12:48,320 --> 00:12:48,520 Speaker 3: Well? 197 00:12:48,520 --> 00:12:50,640 Speaker 2: I think a lot of people in reaction to this 198 00:12:50,720 --> 00:12:53,840 Speaker 2: decision have rightly pointed out that a lot of corporations 199 00:12:53,880 --> 00:12:57,680 Speaker 2: have really often freeloaded essentially off of the higher education 200 00:12:57,880 --> 00:13:00,560 Speaker 2: institutions that have really put in the in meant to 201 00:13:00,760 --> 00:13:04,360 Speaker 2: build diverse pipelines of talent, and now that pipeline will 202 00:13:04,400 --> 00:13:08,080 Speaker 2: be less robust, absolutely as a result of this decision. 203 00:13:08,200 --> 00:13:11,080 Speaker 2: So we need corporations to, you know, put their money 204 00:13:11,080 --> 00:13:13,600 Speaker 2: where their mouth is and instead of just relying on 205 00:13:13,679 --> 00:13:15,920 Speaker 2: I'm going to go to Harvard, Yale, Princeton, whatever. 206 00:13:15,760 --> 00:13:17,880 Speaker 3: To recruit my class and I'll get a diverse set 207 00:13:17,880 --> 00:13:18,360 Speaker 3: of people. 208 00:13:18,559 --> 00:13:21,319 Speaker 2: Now they're going to have to actively find places that 209 00:13:21,360 --> 00:13:25,679 Speaker 2: they can invest in build pipelines, maybe even earlier than college, so. 210 00:13:25,880 --> 00:13:27,040 Speaker 3: I think that's one result. 211 00:13:27,200 --> 00:13:30,120 Speaker 2: I think on the admissions aspect, you're frankly not going 212 00:13:30,200 --> 00:13:33,480 Speaker 2: to see the makeup of these classes change too much 213 00:13:33,559 --> 00:13:37,319 Speaker 2: at a place like Harvard, because, as I mentioned, right, 214 00:13:37,320 --> 00:13:40,480 Speaker 2: there's all these other factors that they're considering. I think 215 00:13:40,640 --> 00:13:43,040 Speaker 2: what you will see is there won't be as explicit 216 00:13:43,160 --> 00:13:45,680 Speaker 2: conversations about race, and I think it might be a 217 00:13:45,720 --> 00:13:48,440 Speaker 2: word that's not mentioned too often in those background sort 218 00:13:48,440 --> 00:13:52,000 Speaker 2: of admissions decisions and processes. At the same time, I think, 219 00:13:52,200 --> 00:13:54,240 Speaker 2: you know, these schools have been preparing for this result. 220 00:13:54,320 --> 00:13:57,360 Speaker 3: It was pretty obvious that this rogue coort was like, had. 221 00:13:57,240 --> 00:14:00,600 Speaker 2: An absolute agenda to do this, so I think they're 222 00:14:00,640 --> 00:14:03,280 Speaker 2: ready for it. I think unfortunately, what you'll see is 223 00:14:03,280 --> 00:14:07,960 Speaker 2: a lot of BS wasted time, your rock chriscy dancing 224 00:14:08,000 --> 00:14:10,840 Speaker 2: around what we're all talking about, which is assembling a 225 00:14:10,960 --> 00:14:13,720 Speaker 2: robust and diverse class. And they'll still manage to do it. 226 00:14:13,800 --> 00:14:16,079 Speaker 2: Of course, it will be difficult, it's a little harder. 227 00:14:16,320 --> 00:14:19,040 Speaker 4: And then I think, just to your point about how 228 00:14:19,040 --> 00:14:23,320 Speaker 4: we've missed, you know, informed people about affirmative action from 229 00:14:23,360 --> 00:14:26,160 Speaker 4: the outset, I think a large part of that comes 230 00:14:26,200 --> 00:14:31,920 Speaker 4: from these sort of negatively intentioned conservatives who've weaponized diversity 231 00:14:31,960 --> 00:14:34,400 Speaker 4: and use people like Nikki Haley as a shield. 232 00:14:34,680 --> 00:14:37,040 Speaker 2: And just think of the best example that comes to mind, 233 00:14:37,280 --> 00:14:40,080 Speaker 2: and it's ironic. But of course Amy Cony Barrett is 234 00:14:40,120 --> 00:14:43,680 Speaker 2: the least qualified justice on that Supreme Court. We know 235 00:14:43,760 --> 00:14:46,480 Speaker 2: that white women have been the number one beneficiaries of 236 00:14:46,520 --> 00:14:49,480 Speaker 2: affirmative action, and that's the example of this is an 237 00:14:49,600 --> 00:14:52,640 Speaker 2: unqualified person who doesn't deserve this position. 238 00:14:52,720 --> 00:14:54,040 Speaker 3: And just because she. 239 00:14:54,080 --> 00:14:56,000 Speaker 2: Is a white woman, Trump said he was going to 240 00:14:56,040 --> 00:14:57,840 Speaker 2: put a woman on the court, as you know this 241 00:14:58,080 --> 00:15:00,280 Speaker 2: see through ploy and that's what they did. Now she 242 00:15:00,280 --> 00:15:04,080 Speaker 2: has a lifetime appointment on the bench versus Katanji Brown Jackson, 243 00:15:04,240 --> 00:15:06,920 Speaker 2: who is one of the most qualified people to sit 244 00:15:07,000 --> 00:15:09,720 Speaker 2: on that court, who actually does have a unique experience 245 00:15:09,800 --> 00:15:13,160 Speaker 2: because of her journey as a public defender, for example, 246 00:15:13,240 --> 00:15:16,320 Speaker 2: the first public defender in history on the Supreme Court. 247 00:15:16,600 --> 00:15:17,480 Speaker 3: Huge deal, but. 248 00:15:17,520 --> 00:15:20,080 Speaker 2: On every other metric, she blows those people out of 249 00:15:20,120 --> 00:15:23,360 Speaker 2: the water. So that's what we're talking about in this case. That, yes, 250 00:15:23,480 --> 00:15:25,840 Speaker 2: how powerful to have a voice laid that And even 251 00:15:25,880 --> 00:15:29,200 Speaker 2: though of course this court has delivered all these ludicrous decisions, 252 00:15:29,280 --> 00:15:32,120 Speaker 2: I mean, she's already made history, in her descent, in 253 00:15:32,160 --> 00:15:35,240 Speaker 2: her stance on the court, in her questioning in justice 254 00:15:35,400 --> 00:15:38,160 Speaker 2: very first term. So that is the beauty of affirmative action, 255 00:15:38,200 --> 00:15:39,600 Speaker 2: if you want to talk about it that way. 256 00:15:40,120 --> 00:15:42,720 Speaker 1: That's perfect, you know. And one of the things too, 257 00:15:42,960 --> 00:15:47,080 Speaker 1: notably I'm glad that you brought up amy colony Barrett, 258 00:15:47,480 --> 00:15:49,640 Speaker 1: is also the fact that the Supreme Court did not 259 00:15:49,760 --> 00:15:53,560 Speaker 1: strike down gender right as a way I want to 260 00:15:53,560 --> 00:15:57,120 Speaker 1: make clear to protect white women from being able to 261 00:15:57,320 --> 00:16:02,360 Speaker 1: take advantage of different of how we view admissions, because 262 00:16:02,520 --> 00:16:07,080 Speaker 1: gender also had been a factor as schools became integrated 263 00:16:07,080 --> 00:16:10,120 Speaker 1: with both men and women. And so I think that 264 00:16:10,160 --> 00:16:13,200 Speaker 1: it's very interesting that that wasn't something that was struck down, 265 00:16:13,320 --> 00:16:14,560 Speaker 1: but race, of course was. 266 00:16:15,080 --> 00:16:17,880 Speaker 2: And of course the other exception, that military exception that 267 00:16:17,920 --> 00:16:19,680 Speaker 2: I know a lot of people have jumped on the 268 00:16:19,760 --> 00:16:23,920 Speaker 2: idea that this policy is effective, it is important, does work, 269 00:16:24,040 --> 00:16:26,200 Speaker 2: and so when it comes to you know, black and 270 00:16:26,240 --> 00:16:28,480 Speaker 2: brown bodies putting their lives on the line for the country, 271 00:16:28,560 --> 00:16:30,760 Speaker 2: we're going to keep it. When it comes to access 272 00:16:30,800 --> 00:16:33,560 Speaker 2: to doors of success then opportunity, we're going to shut 273 00:16:33,560 --> 00:16:37,880 Speaker 2: it down. It's outrageous and again just incredibly hypocritical and transparent. 274 00:16:41,040 --> 00:16:43,000 Speaker 1: You know, I also want to get your thoughts on 275 00:16:43,560 --> 00:16:46,400 Speaker 1: the reaction, because it was it was, you know, it 276 00:16:46,440 --> 00:16:50,520 Speaker 1: was a one two punch that the Supreme Court gave 277 00:16:50,640 --> 00:16:55,520 Speaker 1: out to those that aspire to higher education. It was 278 00:16:55,760 --> 00:16:58,560 Speaker 1: the denying of a throne of action and wiping that 279 00:16:58,640 --> 00:17:05,320 Speaker 1: away after sixty years of progress. Then it was rescinding 280 00:17:05,480 --> 00:17:10,480 Speaker 1: President Biden's student loan forgiveness. Right, talk to us about 281 00:17:10,560 --> 00:17:14,480 Speaker 1: again the effects that this is going to have, particularly 282 00:17:14,720 --> 00:17:16,359 Speaker 1: on communities of. 283 00:17:16,280 --> 00:17:19,280 Speaker 3: Color, communities of color, and also women. 284 00:17:19,440 --> 00:17:22,280 Speaker 2: You know, I think there is just blatantly clear that 285 00:17:22,720 --> 00:17:26,720 Speaker 2: student loan debt disproportionally impacts students of color and women. 286 00:17:26,840 --> 00:17:29,760 Speaker 2: And then of course you add on prohibiting access to 287 00:17:29,840 --> 00:17:33,400 Speaker 2: these institutions in the first place through this affirmative action decision. 288 00:17:33,480 --> 00:17:36,000 Speaker 2: So now you can't even access these institutions, and if 289 00:17:36,000 --> 00:17:38,840 Speaker 2: you can, you probably can't afford to go. And so 290 00:17:39,280 --> 00:17:42,760 Speaker 2: it is really a war on minority education. And it's 291 00:17:42,760 --> 00:17:45,520 Speaker 2: nothing new. I mean, the target of the Republican Party 292 00:17:45,560 --> 00:17:48,879 Speaker 2: for decades and decades and decades has been robust education 293 00:17:49,000 --> 00:17:51,600 Speaker 2: in this country, and they've gone from there and used 294 00:17:51,640 --> 00:17:54,880 Speaker 2: it to really ruin I think so much of our 295 00:17:55,000 --> 00:17:56,880 Speaker 2: infrastructure and our functioning as a nation. 296 00:17:56,960 --> 00:17:59,000 Speaker 3: And it's scary to watch, you know. 297 00:17:59,080 --> 00:18:03,680 Speaker 1: And I just consistently, as a former educator, I consistently 298 00:18:03,760 --> 00:18:08,160 Speaker 1: think about the ways in which education, public education in particular, 299 00:18:08,720 --> 00:18:12,880 Speaker 1: has been the civil rights issue of our time for 300 00:18:12,920 --> 00:18:17,400 Speaker 1: so long, because education is the thing that has been 301 00:18:17,560 --> 00:18:21,320 Speaker 1: used to try and create some semblance of equity. And 302 00:18:21,359 --> 00:18:24,360 Speaker 1: so these attacks that we're seeing, from the book bands 303 00:18:24,440 --> 00:18:28,000 Speaker 1: to curriculum bands, to don't say gay to all of 304 00:18:28,040 --> 00:18:32,080 Speaker 1: these things are at the core to push people out 305 00:18:32,160 --> 00:18:36,760 Speaker 1: of public education into private institutions if they can afford 306 00:18:36,800 --> 00:18:43,240 Speaker 1: it right, or essentially continue the defunding right of public education, 307 00:18:43,560 --> 00:18:48,399 Speaker 1: which is what DeSantis said recently that if he becomes 308 00:18:48,440 --> 00:18:51,679 Speaker 1: president of the United States, he's getting rid of the IRS, 309 00:18:51,760 --> 00:18:54,840 Speaker 1: the Department of Education, the EPA, and so on and 310 00:18:54,880 --> 00:18:59,720 Speaker 1: so forth. When you look at this Republican field, you know, 311 00:19:00,359 --> 00:19:05,840 Speaker 1: but is there anyone, kaion, Is there anyone that you think, oh, 312 00:19:06,040 --> 00:19:08,280 Speaker 1: they may not, they may not blow up the country. 313 00:19:09,680 --> 00:19:12,399 Speaker 3: Absolutely not. And I think what we need to be 314 00:19:12,480 --> 00:19:13,320 Speaker 3: clear about is. 315 00:19:13,280 --> 00:19:15,639 Speaker 2: And I think this is an opportunity that's being missed 316 00:19:15,680 --> 00:19:19,520 Speaker 2: frankly in these conversations, is Republicans have framed this in 317 00:19:19,600 --> 00:19:22,000 Speaker 2: media I think largely has framed this this Here's Donald Trump, 318 00:19:22,040 --> 00:19:25,320 Speaker 2: here's Ronda Santis, and here's a bunch of other reasonable moderate, 319 00:19:25,920 --> 00:19:29,480 Speaker 2: old pipey old tiny Republicans. And that is absolutely false. 320 00:19:29,560 --> 00:19:32,360 Speaker 2: You go look at what Kristin Una is saying. He's insane. 321 00:19:32,600 --> 00:19:34,440 Speaker 3: You go look at what Nikki Haley has said. 322 00:19:34,680 --> 00:19:38,480 Speaker 2: She called for the deportation of US born Senator Rappyl 323 00:19:38,520 --> 00:19:40,680 Speaker 2: warn Off just last year, in less than. 324 00:19:40,640 --> 00:19:42,920 Speaker 3: A year, less than a year ago on. 325 00:19:42,840 --> 00:19:44,080 Speaker 1: The to wear. 326 00:19:46,520 --> 00:19:49,600 Speaker 2: I mean, if that's not an extremest person, an extremest 327 00:19:49,680 --> 00:19:52,919 Speaker 2: statement and an irresponsible statement, I don't know what is. 328 00:19:53,200 --> 00:19:56,159 Speaker 2: So let's never say she's a monitor again, please, I 329 00:19:56,160 --> 00:19:58,960 Speaker 2: mean she just was speaking right at that Mom's for 330 00:19:59,040 --> 00:20:03,560 Speaker 2: Liberty where they yeah, bubbled down on your CAMPHT quoting Hitler, 331 00:20:03,840 --> 00:20:06,280 Speaker 2: and these are where you know the moderates are speaking. 332 00:20:06,320 --> 00:20:09,600 Speaker 2: Absolutely not now, Chris Christie, you know, I think again, 333 00:20:09,720 --> 00:20:12,359 Speaker 2: another opportunity you want to share his viral hands. He 334 00:20:12,520 --> 00:20:15,160 Speaker 2: is uniquely good at sort of going after the Fox 335 00:20:15,240 --> 00:20:18,640 Speaker 2: News anchors, going after Trump directly, and it's helpful. Unfortunately, 336 00:20:18,680 --> 00:20:20,840 Speaker 2: I don't see why we can't have more of that 337 00:20:21,280 --> 00:20:25,159 Speaker 2: coming from stars on the Democratic side, frankly, But I 338 00:20:25,200 --> 00:20:27,040 Speaker 2: think at the same time, you want to look at 339 00:20:27,119 --> 00:20:29,399 Speaker 2: Chris Christy and say, this is a governor who I 340 00:20:29,440 --> 00:20:33,959 Speaker 2: think they had to raise lower the credit rating eleven 341 00:20:34,000 --> 00:20:36,200 Speaker 2: times if I'm remembering correctly. When he was governor, so 342 00:20:36,440 --> 00:20:38,760 Speaker 2: terrible in the economy. He tried to play games with 343 00:20:38,840 --> 00:20:42,960 Speaker 2: Sandy hook parents, right, wouldn't meet with them, so offensive 344 00:20:43,000 --> 00:20:46,320 Speaker 2: and disgusting at the time. He then Hurricane Sandy relief 345 00:20:46,400 --> 00:20:49,119 Speaker 2: funds did again tried to play these sort of trumpy 346 00:20:49,160 --> 00:20:51,800 Speaker 2: and political games. So I think if you say, hey, 347 00:20:51,840 --> 00:20:54,760 Speaker 2: look this has been the Republican Party forever. 348 00:20:54,920 --> 00:20:57,320 Speaker 3: Look at who Chris Christie was. He was the guy 349 00:20:57,359 --> 00:21:00,000 Speaker 3: that was the gateway to Trump, he was on his transition. 350 00:21:00,480 --> 00:21:03,720 Speaker 2: There are no reasonable people leading in this party, and 351 00:21:03,760 --> 00:21:05,720 Speaker 2: they haven't been reasonable either. 352 00:21:06,080 --> 00:21:07,080 Speaker 3: I think that's compelling. 353 00:21:07,119 --> 00:21:09,040 Speaker 2: I know a lot of people think that, you know, 354 00:21:09,320 --> 00:21:12,120 Speaker 2: we should isolate Tromp and we're gonna alienate people. 355 00:21:11,880 --> 00:21:13,680 Speaker 3: If we take that tack. I don't think so at all. 356 00:21:13,760 --> 00:21:15,399 Speaker 2: I think you know, telling the streets and being pretty 357 00:21:15,400 --> 00:21:16,680 Speaker 2: clear about it is pretty effective. 358 00:21:17,280 --> 00:21:21,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, Because you know, I continue to wonder as we 359 00:21:21,480 --> 00:21:24,959 Speaker 1: you know, make the march into the twenty twenty four cycle, 360 00:21:25,119 --> 00:21:28,399 Speaker 1: right as we're gonna have the Republican debate, or maybe 361 00:21:28,400 --> 00:21:31,359 Speaker 1: we won't have the Republican debate, because neither Donald Trump 362 00:21:31,520 --> 00:21:33,400 Speaker 1: or Ron De Santis has said that they are going 363 00:21:33,440 --> 00:21:36,480 Speaker 1: to show up for said debate, right, so I don't 364 00:21:36,520 --> 00:21:40,520 Speaker 1: know if they end up having one. But nonetheless, as 365 00:21:40,560 --> 00:21:46,440 Speaker 1: we make the march into the real presidential cycle, I'm 366 00:21:46,520 --> 00:21:50,199 Speaker 1: just curious as to what is going to be the 367 00:21:50,280 --> 00:21:54,960 Speaker 1: Democrats talking point because honestly, Kaivon, I don't feel like 368 00:21:55,960 --> 00:21:58,959 Speaker 1: it needs to be that fucking complicated, right, Like, I 369 00:21:59,040 --> 00:22:01,560 Speaker 1: feel like what we've seen, what you just laid out 370 00:22:01,840 --> 00:22:07,879 Speaker 1: just with ticking off the Republican primary clown car, just 371 00:22:07,920 --> 00:22:11,200 Speaker 1: in ticking it off, they have presented exactly who they are. 372 00:22:11,240 --> 00:22:14,159 Speaker 1: There is not a non extremist in the bunch. There 373 00:22:14,200 --> 00:22:17,560 Speaker 1: is not a non white nationalist in the bunch. And 374 00:22:17,640 --> 00:22:22,840 Speaker 1: so if you were writing right the talking points that 375 00:22:23,280 --> 00:22:27,239 Speaker 1: Democrats from Biden on down need to be beating and 376 00:22:27,359 --> 00:22:29,560 Speaker 1: hitting every single time they were in front of a 377 00:22:29,600 --> 00:22:33,720 Speaker 1: mica television or you know, or a camera phone, what 378 00:22:33,800 --> 00:22:34,400 Speaker 1: would it be. 379 00:22:35,840 --> 00:22:38,600 Speaker 2: I like the frame of let's finish the job I do, 380 00:22:38,680 --> 00:22:41,399 Speaker 2: because I think it is a consistent message, and Biden 381 00:22:41,440 --> 00:22:44,360 Speaker 2: has delivered, and so the narrative votes for me. It's 382 00:22:44,359 --> 00:22:47,000 Speaker 2: in twenty twenty, we said we're going to protect democracy, 383 00:22:47,040 --> 00:22:49,960 Speaker 2: and you know, course correct the country. Here's over three 384 00:22:50,040 --> 00:22:53,000 Speaker 2: hundred bipartisan wins that we've had. Here's some other things 385 00:22:53,000 --> 00:22:55,360 Speaker 2: that aren't bipartisan, but we're really important. And I let 386 00:22:55,359 --> 00:22:57,760 Speaker 2: the charge on, and I think the piece that you 387 00:22:57,840 --> 00:22:59,440 Speaker 2: need is so, yes, you need more time. 388 00:22:59,480 --> 00:23:01,360 Speaker 3: Here's what we're to do in the next four years. 389 00:23:01,359 --> 00:23:03,720 Speaker 2: The number one thing I think politicians forget is you 390 00:23:03,760 --> 00:23:05,520 Speaker 2: can't just take victory laps and you. 391 00:23:05,480 --> 00:23:07,080 Speaker 3: Know, recite all the things you've done. 392 00:23:07,080 --> 00:23:09,080 Speaker 2: You've got to tell people where you're going, how it's 393 00:23:09,119 --> 00:23:11,640 Speaker 2: going to benefit them more in the future. 394 00:23:12,000 --> 00:23:13,400 Speaker 3: And then two, I. 395 00:23:13,320 --> 00:23:17,040 Speaker 2: Do think Biden has done a good job showing young voters, 396 00:23:17,119 --> 00:23:20,199 Speaker 2: voters under thirty like myself, that he's willing to go 397 00:23:20,720 --> 00:23:23,159 Speaker 2: to the mat for them, and I think keeping that 398 00:23:23,320 --> 00:23:24,680 Speaker 2: up and not shying away. 399 00:23:24,720 --> 00:23:26,159 Speaker 3: And specifically two things. 400 00:23:26,480 --> 00:23:29,280 Speaker 2: One on student loan that I'm very happy that the 401 00:23:29,320 --> 00:23:30,840 Speaker 2: minute that that decision came. 402 00:23:30,680 --> 00:23:33,240 Speaker 1: Out, Yes, this minute, but you know, within hours, yeah, 403 00:23:33,320 --> 00:23:34,159 Speaker 1: Biden was out. 404 00:23:34,000 --> 00:23:35,800 Speaker 3: Thinking, here's what we're doing. We're trying it again. 405 00:23:35,920 --> 00:23:38,360 Speaker 2: With a new tool this way, and that was important 406 00:23:38,400 --> 00:23:41,080 Speaker 2: because I think one of the takeaways from that mid 407 00:23:41,200 --> 00:23:44,200 Speaker 2: term success with young voters was we want to see 408 00:23:44,359 --> 00:23:45,080 Speaker 2: you take. 409 00:23:44,960 --> 00:23:45,800 Speaker 3: Shots on good. 410 00:23:45,960 --> 00:23:48,280 Speaker 2: If they don't all hit, that's okay because we know 411 00:23:48,440 --> 00:23:50,960 Speaker 2: things are messed up. But what you absolutely can't do 412 00:23:51,040 --> 00:23:53,280 Speaker 2: is tell young voters this is how it's been. 413 00:23:53,680 --> 00:23:55,680 Speaker 3: And so we can't do that because it's not in. 414 00:23:55,680 --> 00:23:58,920 Speaker 2: Importance with precedent because everything's up in the air right now. 415 00:23:59,200 --> 00:24:01,679 Speaker 2: The rules are all set. The Republican Party is not 416 00:24:01,720 --> 00:24:04,000 Speaker 2: playing by any of them. So right I'm just saying, like, 417 00:24:04,040 --> 00:24:06,520 Speaker 2: when you talk about the Supreme Court, let's not pretend 418 00:24:06,760 --> 00:24:08,919 Speaker 2: this is a normal Supreme court. So I'm glad Biden 419 00:24:08,960 --> 00:24:11,879 Speaker 2: said this is not a normal Supreme Court. But number two, 420 00:24:12,160 --> 00:24:14,440 Speaker 2: I do think the Supreme Court is being a missed 421 00:24:14,440 --> 00:24:15,359 Speaker 2: opportunity right now. 422 00:24:15,359 --> 00:24:16,800 Speaker 3: And I'm voting to the Boston. 423 00:24:16,520 --> 00:24:20,879 Speaker 2: Globe recently, Democrats are taking the wrong lessons from their 424 00:24:20,920 --> 00:24:23,800 Speaker 2: success with young voters on this issue, because if they 425 00:24:23,800 --> 00:24:27,080 Speaker 2: don't push this, if they let those six justices, each 426 00:24:27,119 --> 00:24:30,200 Speaker 2: of who is involved in a corruption scandal, really each one, 427 00:24:30,240 --> 00:24:32,920 Speaker 2: I don't even by the way, sometimes I repost like, hey, 428 00:24:33,000 --> 00:24:34,800 Speaker 2: just a reminder, did you know Gorsas did this? 429 00:24:35,000 --> 00:24:37,320 Speaker 3: Did you know Barrett had this conflict? And a lot 430 00:24:37,320 --> 00:24:39,000 Speaker 3: of people it's new information to them. 431 00:24:39,040 --> 00:24:41,920 Speaker 2: They don't know how involved each of those justices are 432 00:24:42,560 --> 00:24:45,800 Speaker 2: in something that's pretty wildly unethical and just an example, 433 00:24:45,880 --> 00:24:49,280 Speaker 2: right Amy Cony Barrett after she was confirmed, Most of 434 00:24:49,320 --> 00:24:51,560 Speaker 2: the justices, if they have a partner that's in the law, 435 00:24:51,840 --> 00:24:55,399 Speaker 2: that lawyer stops practicing. Basically that's happened time and time again. 436 00:24:55,880 --> 00:24:58,720 Speaker 2: Her husband not only continued to practice, which there's no 437 00:24:58,800 --> 00:25:00,200 Speaker 2: bar on, but open. 438 00:25:00,240 --> 00:25:02,159 Speaker 3: A law office in DC. 439 00:25:02,480 --> 00:25:06,479 Speaker 2: And then amy Cony Barrett refused to disclose that client 440 00:25:06,560 --> 00:25:09,600 Speaker 2: list so they couldn't do any conflict checks. So you 441 00:25:09,600 --> 00:25:12,280 Speaker 2: don't know if her husband is working with people arguing 442 00:25:12,400 --> 00:25:15,480 Speaker 2: before she heard right on the court. I mean, if 443 00:25:15,480 --> 00:25:17,800 Speaker 2: that's not a red flag, I don't know what is. 444 00:25:18,119 --> 00:25:18,359 Speaker 3: Now. 445 00:25:18,560 --> 00:25:20,160 Speaker 2: One thing I do want to say is it's so 446 00:25:20,200 --> 00:25:24,640 Speaker 2: important that we draw distinction between the liberal and conservative 447 00:25:24,760 --> 00:25:27,679 Speaker 2: justices because they are not the same. And I think 448 00:25:27,760 --> 00:25:30,399 Speaker 2: it was really gross actually to see this week before 449 00:25:30,640 --> 00:25:34,359 Speaker 2: the Associated Press trying to wrap Sodamayor up in this 450 00:25:34,680 --> 00:25:39,360 Speaker 2: like cabal of corrupt justices. For here's what the scandal 451 00:25:39,520 --> 00:25:44,520 Speaker 2: was that her assistant was sending libraries institutions that were 452 00:25:44,520 --> 00:25:48,560 Speaker 2: hosting her for a book talk instructions on that Okay, 453 00:25:48,560 --> 00:25:50,320 Speaker 2: when people line up they need to have a book. 454 00:25:50,160 --> 00:25:52,200 Speaker 3: In their hand meeting that you either need to bring 455 00:25:52,240 --> 00:25:53,639 Speaker 3: a book or buy a book. 456 00:25:53,800 --> 00:25:57,920 Speaker 2: That is not using your office to sell influence and access. 457 00:25:57,920 --> 00:26:00,399 Speaker 2: It's not going on jet trips with second people. 458 00:26:00,640 --> 00:26:03,520 Speaker 1: Are those people hearing cases and those random. 459 00:26:03,440 --> 00:26:06,080 Speaker 2: Are those billionaire right wing donors that you're leaking opinions to. 460 00:26:06,160 --> 00:26:08,680 Speaker 2: I don't think so, like Alito did, so that's out righteous. 461 00:26:08,680 --> 00:26:10,240 Speaker 2: But I do think we want to see Dick Jerdan 462 00:26:10,320 --> 00:26:12,680 Speaker 2: do better. We want to see people take these shots, 463 00:26:12,720 --> 00:26:14,720 Speaker 2: like don't say you're not going to subpoena the justices. 464 00:26:14,960 --> 00:26:16,320 Speaker 3: Don't say that again. 465 00:26:16,119 --> 00:26:17,720 Speaker 2: Like I don't want to hear that ever again, that 466 00:26:17,720 --> 00:26:21,240 Speaker 2: you're not going to suit subpoena. Justice Robert's like, absolutely, 467 00:26:21,320 --> 00:26:23,800 Speaker 2: haul him in front of you know, anybody that you 468 00:26:23,880 --> 00:26:27,080 Speaker 2: can have him answer for what he's overseen, which is 469 00:26:27,119 --> 00:26:30,440 Speaker 2: the popular delegitimization of the Supreme Court. 470 00:26:30,680 --> 00:26:31,600 Speaker 3: Put this on them. 471 00:26:31,640 --> 00:26:34,320 Speaker 2: And then the beauty of this number two is for 472 00:26:34,400 --> 00:26:38,879 Speaker 2: the first time in history, because Briar has retired this 473 00:26:39,080 --> 00:26:42,320 Speaker 2: was the first term that all three liberals are women. 474 00:26:42,800 --> 00:26:45,359 Speaker 2: And the beauty of the Supreme Court to me is 475 00:26:45,400 --> 00:26:49,240 Speaker 2: that these are not supposed to be public partisan actors. 476 00:26:49,320 --> 00:26:51,720 Speaker 3: So they're not supposed to be giving tons of talks. 477 00:26:51,720 --> 00:26:54,399 Speaker 2: They're not supposed to be talking to journalists and reporters, 478 00:26:54,440 --> 00:26:56,960 Speaker 2: and so unlike the Conservatives who do this all the time, 479 00:26:57,160 --> 00:26:59,639 Speaker 2: if they just stay quiet and do their jobs and 480 00:26:59,680 --> 00:27:02,080 Speaker 2: say no comment, which they're not supposed to give. 481 00:27:02,320 --> 00:27:04,720 Speaker 3: We can build them up. We can have three rbgs 482 00:27:04,840 --> 00:27:06,120 Speaker 3: right now, right we could. 483 00:27:05,920 --> 00:27:09,600 Speaker 2: Create sort of this excitement and mythology about people like 484 00:27:09,760 --> 00:27:13,040 Speaker 2: Justice Kagan, who, by the way, refused a care basket 485 00:27:13,080 --> 00:27:16,800 Speaker 2: from her high school friends of bagels and chocolates because 486 00:27:17,000 --> 00:27:19,119 Speaker 2: she wrote them back in an email and there's receipts 487 00:27:19,160 --> 00:27:19,560 Speaker 2: to prove this. 488 00:27:19,840 --> 00:27:22,880 Speaker 3: I'm worried about the ethical reporting requirements. 489 00:27:22,320 --> 00:27:24,800 Speaker 2: Of this, So let's make clear that these are not 490 00:27:24,880 --> 00:27:27,920 Speaker 2: the same groups of people and really celebrate the three 491 00:27:27,960 --> 00:27:30,000 Speaker 2: women justices that we do have on the bench. 492 00:27:30,040 --> 00:27:30,920 Speaker 3: That will be powerful. 493 00:27:31,640 --> 00:27:34,200 Speaker 1: I think that that is great, as well as all 494 00:27:34,240 --> 00:27:37,320 Speaker 1: of your messaging points. We will have to leave it 495 00:27:37,520 --> 00:27:42,760 Speaker 1: there today, Kai von Stroff. As always, it is such 496 00:27:42,760 --> 00:27:45,520 Speaker 1: a pleasure to have you on the show and to 497 00:27:45,560 --> 00:27:48,560 Speaker 1: get your insights in frankly you know, as somebody who 498 00:27:48,720 --> 00:27:52,639 Speaker 1: is under thirty, to really get perspective on what this 499 00:27:52,760 --> 00:27:55,840 Speaker 1: Democratic Party needs to do in order not to fail 500 00:27:56,960 --> 00:28:00,840 Speaker 1: your generation, which seems like we are are already in 501 00:28:00,880 --> 00:28:03,000 Speaker 1: the process of doing well. 502 00:28:03,040 --> 00:28:04,720 Speaker 3: Thank you so much, I love coming. 503 00:28:04,520 --> 00:28:13,840 Speaker 1: On, appreciate you. That is it for me today. Dear 504 00:28:13,920 --> 00:28:17,840 Speaker 1: friends on Woke af AS always, power to the people 505 00:28:17,960 --> 00:28:21,399 Speaker 1: and to all the people power, get woke and stay 506 00:28:21,720 --> 00:28:22,400 Speaker 1: woke as fuck.