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Speaker 2: We've got some higher or lower to go to. We

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Speaker 2: gotta I'll tell you about this Thursday at Razzles. We

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Speaker 2: lot to get to there. The NFL wrapped up week

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Speaker 2: number ten on Monday night. It was the Dolphins and

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Speaker 2: the Rams in La. Dolphins coming out on top in

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Speaker 2: this game and in many ways. This game to me

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Speaker 2: was kind of emblematic of really a lot of things

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Speaker 2: that happened in this week and then kind of backing

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Speaker 2: up bigger picture this season, and that is teams that

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Speaker 2: the Rams scored fifteen points, five field goals, not a

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Speaker 2: Jalen Waddle and Tyreek Hill going. Jalen Waddle had three

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Speaker 2: catches for fifty seven yards. He had two for fifty

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Speaker 2: five on the opening drive. Tyreek Hill three catches sixteen

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Speaker 2: He's one of the great vertical threats in the NFL.

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Speaker 2: They just cannot get the ball down the field. That

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Speaker 2: long pass to Jalen Waddle was on a broken play.

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Speaker 2: Other than that, they really could not get the ball

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Speaker 2: down the field, and Tyreek Hill is right now on

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Speaker 2: pace for eight hundred and seventy three yards and four touchdowns.

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Speaker 2: So when you think about what he's done, you know,

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Speaker 2: in his career, that's just shocking to me. Thirty seven catches,

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Speaker 2: back to back seventeen hundred yard seasons. He's averaged over

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Speaker 2: fifteen yards a catch last year, the year before, fourteen

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Speaker 2: so that's basically six and a half targets per game.

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Speaker 2: He was averaging the prior two seasons over ten targets

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Speaker 2: being utilized down all of it. And Tyreek kills a

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Speaker 2: guy that a lot of people, certainly from a fantasy standpoint,

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Speaker 2: and it really is. You think about the Atlanta Falcons.

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Speaker 2: missed field goals as well. And so two miss field

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Speaker 2: It's very strange. Minnesota won a game in which Sam

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Speaker 2: Big day in the office, big big day. But to me,

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Speaker 2: As we talked about offense being down, completion percentages up,

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Speaker 2: that if somebody was out there listening and did a deep,

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Speaker 2: feels that way, But it seems that way too when

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Speaker 2: you look at it. Dolphins, now, believe it or not, folks,

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Speaker 2: The Bengals are still very much alive. So right now,

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Speaker 2: Amazingly in the AFC. Now you've got four two loss

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Speaker 2: the Rams. You know, that's a big loss. The Rams

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Speaker 2: The Falcons have a two game lead in their division,

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Speaker 2: Things are starting to take shape here and we still have,

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Speaker 2: but things have really already separated. And that was a

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Speaker 2: Rams to lose that one at home. And again, field goals,

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Speaker 2: you can't kick threes. Threes are better than nothing, obviously,

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Speaker 2: but when you're a team that is settling for nothing

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Speaker 2: in the National Football League. And that's that's clearly, that's

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Speaker 2: Last night I finished after the after the game, I

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Speaker 2: was able to watch the finale of Penguin g Man.

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Speaker 2: What a program, What a show, What an unbelievable ending,

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Speaker 2: tough not as is it a it's rememory. He's a villain.

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Speaker 2: It's not a light story, that's for sure, but incredible.

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Speaker 2: I reckon couldn't recommend that show anymore highly that people

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Speaker 2: go out there and check out the Penguin. All right,

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Speaker 2: Brown standpoint. Players are off today because remember we had

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Speaker 2: the New Orleans Saints. And the Saints are a team

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Speaker 2: and we'll meet them obviously tomorrow on the program. But

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Speaker 2: the Saints, they sit at three and seven this season,

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Speaker 2: make a coaching change, and they win. Prior to that

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Speaker 2: coaching change, they had lost six in a row, actually

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Speaker 2: seven in a row. Wow. They started off two to zero.

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Speaker 2: They beat the Panthers forty seven to ten and then

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Speaker 2: They have their bye week the following week. But obviously

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Speaker 2: this is a game gettable for the Cleveland Browns, and

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Speaker 2: anytime you can win, you know, that's something that can

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Speaker 2: can still shock the world and get to ten and seven.

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Speaker 2: So a very very strange, strange year that has happened

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Speaker 2: the NFL, and it's certainly a very very interesting thing

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Speaker 2: been a little bit of a strange year, certainly offensively.

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Speaker 2: And Browns fans you're listening this, you know, it's been

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Speaker 2: a very strange year for our Cleveland Browns as well. Uh,

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Speaker 2: Dak Prescott, We're gonna get the go go around the

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Speaker 2: to drop like flies in certain situations. It's just it's nuts.

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Speaker 2: The teams that have are in a good spot right

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Speaker 2: now aren't just in a good spot. They're in a

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Speaker 2: great spot because number one, they all have good records,

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Speaker 2: their quarterbacks are healthy, things are looking good for those

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Speaker 2: on in the program. But that's where everything is right now.

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Speaker 2: great gibbe walking up the stairs. He's got big meetings. Yes,

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Speaker 5: at at eight fifty twenty of thirty two. NFL teams

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Speaker 2: who joins us now, mister Shook, how are.

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Speaker 2: All right, First, before we get into real NFL stuff,

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Speaker 2: What's going on?

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Speaker 6: Well, i'll tell you what. We're in twenty twenty five.

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Speaker 6: We've drafted a new quarterback and we are eight and three, baby,

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Speaker 2: Okay, good, all right, Maybe that's a harbinger of things

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Speaker 2: What do you kind of make of this season? And

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Speaker 6: No, it hasn't happened. I think the consistency has been

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Speaker 6: that was, you know, the NFL leader in passing yards. Now,

433
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Speaker 6: I had issues with his style of play in Houston

434
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Speaker 6: at times, namely running out of clean pockets. But you know,

435
00:21:30,840 --> 00:21:32,720
Speaker 6: people like to overlook that because he still put up

436
00:21:32,720 --> 00:21:35,680
Speaker 6: the numbers and everything else. But now that you look

437
00:21:35,720 --> 00:21:37,760
Speaker 6: at it, you know, again with the privilege of hindsight,

438
00:21:38,359 --> 00:21:40,320
Speaker 6: you could see that that some of these things could

439
00:21:40,320 --> 00:21:42,760
Speaker 6: have happened. I think that, you know the story of

440
00:21:42,880 --> 00:21:45,160
Speaker 6: him in Cleveland is it was a play that never

441
00:21:45,359 --> 00:21:47,159
Speaker 6: had an opportunity to get off the ground. You know,

442
00:21:47,200 --> 00:21:49,440
Speaker 6: even last season he's lunded to the short amount of

443
00:21:49,480 --> 00:21:50,959
Speaker 6: games that he had because of an injury, and then

444
00:21:50,960 --> 00:21:52,520
Speaker 6: he comes back again this year and his arm is

445
00:21:52,520 --> 00:21:54,520
Speaker 6: not the same. It just doesn't have, you know, the

446
00:21:54,520 --> 00:21:56,840
Speaker 6: same ability that he had before. He's mobile wise and

447
00:21:56,880 --> 00:21:59,679
Speaker 6: mobility wise, he's just not there anymore. All of the

448
00:21:59,720 --> 00:22:02,320
Speaker 6: power that I guess made him a very good quarterback,

449
00:22:02,359 --> 00:22:05,840
Speaker 6: if not great, are gone. And it's unfortunate, but we've

450
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Speaker 6: seen declined in players before. Having said that, because of

451
00:22:09,000 --> 00:22:11,720
Speaker 6: what the Browns gave up and because of the associated risk,

452
00:22:11,760 --> 00:22:13,760
Speaker 6: knowing that there was probably going to be a suspension involved,

453
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Speaker 6: I do think it still stands as probably the worst

454
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Speaker 6: trade in NFL history, But you don't entirely blame them

455
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Speaker 6: for that because at the time, like we said, a

456
00:22:20,920 --> 00:22:23,359
Speaker 6: number of different teams were on board with that. So

457
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Speaker 6: you kind of live with the outcome of the decision.

458
00:22:26,320 --> 00:22:27,919
Speaker 6: And the most important thing now is how do you

459
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Speaker 6: move forward? Because I think that we've all realized that

460
00:22:30,560 --> 00:22:32,840
Speaker 6: there is no trying to make this work, and now

461
00:22:32,840 --> 00:22:34,880
Speaker 6: it's about how do you, you know, keep this team

462
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Speaker 6: afloat and answer the biggest problem that now exists.

463
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Speaker 2: Talking with Nick Shuk, Nick Shuck, how would you want

464
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Speaker 2: to move forward? Kevin Stans saying, you know, Jameis Winston's

465
00:22:45,400 --> 00:22:47,920
Speaker 2: our starter going forward. You've got dtr on a fifth

466
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Speaker 2: round rookie deal going into He's in his second year,

467
00:22:50,359 --> 00:22:52,160
Speaker 2: would be in his third year next year. How would

468
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Speaker 2: you want to see these final eight games go? You know,

469
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Speaker 2: given that at some point it is likely that the

470
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Speaker 2: postseason will be fully off the table.

471
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Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean, I'll just tell you now, it's off

472
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Speaker 6: the table. The way that the schedule sets up.

473
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Speaker 7: I could see them on paper looking at a situation

474
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Speaker 7: where like New Orleans I thought was the one game

475
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Speaker 7: where it was like, all right, I could see them

476
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Speaker 7: winning it, and then they get the internet coach bump

477
00:23:13,760 --> 00:23:15,320
Speaker 7: and get a win over the Falcons last weekend, which

478
00:23:15,320 --> 00:23:16,280
Speaker 7: has then throwing that into.

479
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Speaker 6: Question for me. Pittsburgh, Denver, Pittsburgh, Kansas City, Cincinnati, Miami Baltimore.

480
00:23:20,480 --> 00:23:23,600
Speaker 6: Those are all difficult games, okay, and this team has

481
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Speaker 6: not played well enough for me to believe that they'll

482
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Speaker 6: that they should be favored or as somebody who predicts

483
00:23:28,359 --> 00:23:30,840
Speaker 6: games every week, I don't know if I'll be feeling

484
00:23:30,880 --> 00:23:32,720
Speaker 6: confident enough to pick them in any of those games.

485
00:23:32,760 --> 00:23:34,800
Speaker 6: Having said that, this is the league that's very difficult

486
00:23:34,840 --> 00:23:36,840
Speaker 6: to predict. You can just look at my predictions record

487
00:23:36,880 --> 00:23:38,800
Speaker 6: this year, which is like an all time low. Usually

488
00:23:38,840 --> 00:23:40,920
Speaker 6: I'm like a top five predictor. In this year, I'm

489
00:23:40,920 --> 00:23:44,399
Speaker 6: struggling mightily because you know, games happened like last night

490
00:23:44,440 --> 00:23:46,200
Speaker 6: where the Rams, who are on a hot streak, lose

491
00:23:46,240 --> 00:23:48,240
Speaker 6: to the Dolphins and you look like, you know, basically

492
00:23:48,280 --> 00:23:50,080
Speaker 6: put forth one of their worst games of the season.

493
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Speaker 6: So when it comes to predicting how this season plays out,

494
00:23:52,880 --> 00:23:54,639
Speaker 6: it's not going to be pretty, I don't think, but

495
00:23:55,119 --> 00:23:57,440
Speaker 6: I do think that you could gain something out of that.

496
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Speaker 6: At quarterback. You know, I'm I'm sure you can agree

497
00:24:00,800 --> 00:24:03,600
Speaker 6: with this or confirm this, but outside at least it

498
00:24:03,640 --> 00:24:06,880
Speaker 6: seems as if that organization is still very high on DTR.

499
00:24:07,040 --> 00:24:08,840
Speaker 6: I feel like we will see him at some point.

500
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Speaker 6: You have to, especially if you have a season where

501
00:24:11,200 --> 00:24:12,800
Speaker 6: you don't have really anything on the line in terms

502
00:24:12,800 --> 00:24:15,800
Speaker 6: of postseason chances, why not get him some reps. But

503
00:24:15,840 --> 00:24:17,959
Speaker 6: I think the important thing for that is putting him

504
00:24:17,960 --> 00:24:20,879
Speaker 6: the right situation, which starts the offensive line's health. And

505
00:24:20,920 --> 00:24:22,640
Speaker 6: they've gotten in a better place in the last couple

506
00:24:22,640 --> 00:24:25,399
Speaker 6: of weeks. It started with the Baltimore game, where you

507
00:24:25,440 --> 00:24:27,239
Speaker 6: know you see Jawan Jones at left tackle, you get

508
00:24:27,280 --> 00:24:29,920
Speaker 6: Wyatt Teller back, you know you have Jack Conklin in there.

509
00:24:30,040 --> 00:24:31,760
Speaker 6: Post it comes back from injury, like, you want to

510
00:24:31,760 --> 00:24:33,439
Speaker 6: get close as close to your starting five as you

511
00:24:33,520 --> 00:24:36,560
Speaker 6: can before you put DTR back in that position and

512
00:24:36,600 --> 00:24:39,359
Speaker 6: then prepare him over the course of a week to play.

513
00:24:39,600 --> 00:24:41,640
Speaker 6: And I think at some point you're going to see

514
00:24:41,640 --> 00:24:44,119
Speaker 6: that happen. Because while everybody loves Jamis for who he

515
00:24:44,160 --> 00:24:45,960
Speaker 6: is and what he brings to the table, what are

516
00:24:45,960 --> 00:24:48,399
Speaker 6: you gaining from him other than confirmation that he is

517
00:24:48,560 --> 00:24:50,680
Speaker 6: a backup that could be a plus backup for the

518
00:24:50,720 --> 00:24:53,280
Speaker 6: long term. Nothing really, so you might as well figure

519
00:24:53,280 --> 00:24:55,760
Speaker 6: out what you have in quarterback at quarterback in DTR.

520
00:24:56,040 --> 00:24:57,440
Speaker 6: So I think you will see him at some point,

521
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Speaker 6: and I think that that should be an obligation from

522
00:25:00,240 --> 00:25:03,280
Speaker 6: a franchise development standpoint. You should be that should be

523
00:25:03,359 --> 00:25:05,160
Speaker 6: on the checklist. We're going to see him play again

524
00:25:05,320 --> 00:25:07,400
Speaker 6: and figure out, you know, what you think you might

525
00:25:07,400 --> 00:25:10,359
Speaker 6: have in him and try to help his growth. Otherwise,

526
00:25:10,840 --> 00:25:13,760
Speaker 6: stay as healthy as possible. I mean, the defense for

527
00:25:13,760 --> 00:25:15,560
Speaker 6: the most part, saved for some blown coverage is against

528
00:25:15,560 --> 00:25:17,880
Speaker 6: the Chargers. They've been solid. You know, Jim Schwartz still

529
00:25:17,880 --> 00:25:21,199
Speaker 6: has that group together. You trade Zadarius Smith's so now

530
00:25:21,200 --> 00:25:22,800
Speaker 6: you got to, you know, test out who else you

531
00:25:22,880 --> 00:25:24,280
Speaker 6: might want to, you know, work in there and see

532
00:25:24,320 --> 00:25:25,040
Speaker 6: who's going to be there.

533
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Speaker 4: For the long run.

534
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Speaker 6: But it's all about vetting your team now and figuring out,

535
00:25:27,600 --> 00:25:29,200
Speaker 6: all right, what pieces do we want to keep around.

536
00:25:29,200 --> 00:25:30,639
Speaker 6: We know we have a Miles Scarett, we know we

537
00:25:30,640 --> 00:25:32,560
Speaker 6: have in a number of other key contributors, but we're

538
00:25:32,600 --> 00:25:34,800
Speaker 6: not the guys that are in between, not necessarily on

539
00:25:34,840 --> 00:25:37,000
Speaker 6: the bubble, but in between. That's the value in the

540
00:25:37,040 --> 00:25:38,639
Speaker 6: season in which you know that you're not going to

541
00:25:38,680 --> 00:25:40,200
Speaker 6: make the playoffs, you can at least get a bunch

542
00:25:40,240 --> 00:25:42,520
Speaker 6: of games to test these guys out and set a

543
00:25:42,600 --> 00:25:45,879
Speaker 6: roadmap forward again with a plan that eventually you're going

544
00:25:45,920 --> 00:25:48,200
Speaker 6: to have somebody else playing quarterback that's not Winston, could

545
00:25:48,240 --> 00:25:50,240
Speaker 6: be dtr could be somebody else. You kind of have

546
00:25:50,280 --> 00:25:51,360
Speaker 6: to figure that out right now.

547
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Speaker 2: Yeah, talking with Nick Shook around the NFL Rider fall,

548
00:25:54,960 --> 00:25:59,320
Speaker 2: I'm on X at the Nick Shook So we know

549
00:25:59,440 --> 00:26:01,560
Speaker 2: whether the bran and obviously you know there are some

550
00:26:01,600 --> 00:26:03,320
Speaker 2: good young pieces on both sides of the ball you

551
00:26:03,359 --> 00:26:05,399
Speaker 2: want to see develop over these final eight games. But

552
00:26:05,440 --> 00:26:06,720
Speaker 2: as we kind of take a step back and we

553
00:26:06,760 --> 00:26:08,919
Speaker 2: look at this league, and I was talking about it earlier,

554
00:26:10,200 --> 00:26:12,919
Speaker 2: just again a strange week. You know, you have teams

555
00:26:12,920 --> 00:26:14,959
Speaker 2: winning games that have happened multiple times about the year

556
00:26:14,960 --> 00:26:17,119
Speaker 2: where all they've done is kickfield goals. Minnesota did it

557
00:26:17,160 --> 00:26:19,840
Speaker 2: most recently this week. Last night you were mentioning the

558
00:26:19,920 --> 00:26:21,520
Speaker 2: Rams they couldn't get the ball in the end zone.

559
00:26:21,560 --> 00:26:24,679
Speaker 2: It feels like scoring it and maybe it's just anecdotally,

560
00:26:24,760 --> 00:26:27,040
Speaker 2: but it feels like scoring is down, feels like passing

561
00:26:27,119 --> 00:26:30,240
Speaker 2: is down. What's kind of going on with this league

562
00:26:30,320 --> 00:26:32,040
Speaker 2: as you see it, and do you have any kind

563
00:26:32,080 --> 00:26:35,240
Speaker 2: of reasons for why we're seeing very what I would

564
00:26:35,280 --> 00:26:41,600
Speaker 2: call lackluster consistent offensive play. You know, I think scoring

565
00:26:41,720 --> 00:26:44,760
Speaker 2: is down and passing was down, especially early in the season.

566
00:26:44,800 --> 00:26:46,120
Speaker 2: I think some of that had to do with health

567
00:26:46,160 --> 00:26:47,080
Speaker 2: of your key players.

568
00:26:47,760 --> 00:26:49,800
Speaker 6: I think about Justin Herbert. He got off to a

569
00:26:49,920 --> 00:26:51,960
Speaker 6: very slow start this season with a new offense with

570
00:26:52,000 --> 00:26:54,920
Speaker 6: Greg Roman calling the plays there for Jim Harvoff's staff,

571
00:26:55,200 --> 00:26:57,520
Speaker 6: but he also lost both of his starting tackles in

572
00:26:57,560 --> 00:26:59,720
Speaker 6: like Week two, he had an ankle injury that limited

573
00:26:59,720 --> 00:27:01,880
Speaker 6: his most ability and he was struggling. But now over

574
00:27:01,920 --> 00:27:03,439
Speaker 6: the last months he's playing like one of the best

575
00:27:03,520 --> 00:27:05,800
Speaker 6: quarterbacks in the NFL, and the Chargers are benefiting as

576
00:27:05,800 --> 00:27:08,920
Speaker 6: a result. You also have the outcomes that nobody could predict,

577
00:27:09,080 --> 00:27:11,280
Speaker 6: like Sam Darnold having a good year save for this

578
00:27:11,320 --> 00:27:13,640
Speaker 6: past weekend in which he threw three interceptions and looked

579
00:27:13,640 --> 00:27:15,640
Speaker 6: like the Sam Jarnald of Bold and the Vikings needed

580
00:27:15,640 --> 00:27:17,560
Speaker 6: a bunch of field goals to beat the Jaguars. Like

581
00:27:17,600 --> 00:27:20,400
Speaker 6: it's just a weird season. In that regard, CJ. Stroud

582
00:27:20,720 --> 00:27:22,920
Speaker 6: has rarely had time to throw all season. I think

583
00:27:22,920 --> 00:27:25,040
Speaker 6: he's been sacked the most of any quarterback in the NFL,

584
00:27:25,280 --> 00:27:26,880
Speaker 6: and it wasn't until Sunday night in the first half

585
00:27:26,880 --> 00:27:29,000
Speaker 6: that he actually got some time to throw and again

586
00:27:29,040 --> 00:27:30,960
Speaker 6: became the CJ. Stroud that we knew. So it's just

587
00:27:31,000 --> 00:27:32,160
Speaker 6: a lack of consistency.

588
00:27:32,200 --> 00:27:32,440
Speaker 4: Really.

589
00:27:32,480 --> 00:27:35,960
Speaker 6: Even Philadelphia, like their carryover from their meltdown last year

590
00:27:35,960 --> 00:27:38,240
Speaker 6: affected them offensively to the first six or seven weeks

591
00:27:38,280 --> 00:27:40,200
Speaker 6: of the season before they started to find their stride.

592
00:27:40,320 --> 00:27:42,199
Speaker 6: That was coupled with the loss of AJ Brown and

593
00:27:42,200 --> 00:27:44,640
Speaker 6: DeVonta Smith to injuries. He gets both of them back,

594
00:27:44,640 --> 00:27:47,440
Speaker 6: Sakwon Barkley goes off and suddenly that offense is rolling again.

595
00:27:47,480 --> 00:27:50,560
Speaker 6: So it's a lot of volatility. Jordan Love gets hurt

596
00:27:50,600 --> 00:27:52,560
Speaker 6: a couple of times, they have to go with maligue.

597
00:27:52,560 --> 00:27:55,280
Speaker 6: Willis like, it's just a lot of volatility in quarterback

598
00:27:55,280 --> 00:27:58,080
Speaker 6: availability and the health of the players that are tasked

599
00:27:58,080 --> 00:28:01,520
Speaker 6: with protecting them or catching passes from them. Even in Pittsburgh,

600
00:28:01,640 --> 00:28:04,119
Speaker 6: Justin Field starts the season because Russell Wilson's hurt, and

601
00:28:04,119 --> 00:28:05,960
Speaker 6: then Russell Wilson comes back in and he's led them

602
00:28:06,000 --> 00:28:08,960
Speaker 6: the three straight wins, and people are talking about the

603
00:28:08,960 --> 00:28:11,960
Speaker 6: Steelers as a legitimate contender now, but you're gonna get

604
00:28:11,960 --> 00:28:13,560
Speaker 6: to good with the bad with him. Dak Prescott, you

605
00:28:13,720 --> 00:28:15,280
Speaker 6: got good and bad with him too because you had

606
00:28:15,280 --> 00:28:17,240
Speaker 6: no weapons to go to except for Ceedee Lamb. Then

607
00:28:17,280 --> 00:28:19,920
Speaker 6: he gets hurt as well. The Jets have been a disaster,

608
00:28:20,040 --> 00:28:22,239
Speaker 6: even though Aaron Rodgers is healthy. Like it's just been

609
00:28:22,280 --> 00:28:24,640
Speaker 6: all over the place. It's been extremely difficult to predict.

610
00:28:24,800 --> 00:28:26,840
Speaker 6: And then you've got the rookies involved. Bo Nicks is

611
00:28:26,920 --> 00:28:29,639
Speaker 6: kind of steadily ascending with the Broncos, who have been

612
00:28:29,680 --> 00:28:31,679
Speaker 6: carried by their defense early in the season, and they've

613
00:28:31,720 --> 00:28:33,520
Speaker 6: kind of figured out where he's his strengths lie, which

614
00:28:33,560 --> 00:28:35,760
Speaker 6: is out in the perimeter and as a creator. And

615
00:28:35,800 --> 00:28:38,040
Speaker 6: then you've got Jaden Daniels is having a fantastic season

616
00:28:38,080 --> 00:28:41,240
Speaker 6: for the most part, but was limited really significantly for

617
00:28:41,280 --> 00:28:43,120
Speaker 6: the first time I've seen since way back in Week

618
00:28:43,160 --> 00:28:45,120
Speaker 6: one by the Steelers defense that had a great game plan.

619
00:28:45,240 --> 00:28:47,520
Speaker 6: So it's a chess match. It's always been a chess match.

620
00:28:47,680 --> 00:28:50,160
Speaker 6: I just feel like defenses have been ahead of offenses

621
00:28:50,160 --> 00:28:51,920
Speaker 6: more often this year than in years past, but I

622
00:28:51,920 --> 00:28:54,240
Speaker 6: think a lot of offenses have been limited by health issues.

623
00:28:54,440 --> 00:28:57,840
Speaker 6: Both a quarterback, sometimes the offensive line, sometimes those around them,

624
00:28:58,080 --> 00:29:00,480
Speaker 6: and some of the familiar suspects that were to seeing

625
00:29:00,480 --> 00:29:03,120
Speaker 6: produced have kind of drifted into the middle pack. I mean,

626
00:29:03,160 --> 00:29:04,760
Speaker 6: when I do QB Index every week, I have a

627
00:29:04,800 --> 00:29:07,440
Speaker 6: ton of volatility in my rankings because guys are all

628
00:29:07,440 --> 00:29:09,560
Speaker 6: over the place. And I look at like Kirk Cousins

629
00:29:09,600 --> 00:29:11,560
Speaker 6: is up to thirteen this week, but like he's been

630
00:29:11,560 --> 00:29:14,120
Speaker 6: in the bottom teams before, and Jalen Hurts fell out

631
00:29:14,120 --> 00:29:16,120
Speaker 6: of the top ten weeks ago, and Jordan Love's been

632
00:29:16,200 --> 00:29:18,280
Speaker 6: up and down, and you just Dak Prescott went from

633
00:29:18,280 --> 00:29:20,520
Speaker 6: being like a top six guy to number twenty because

634
00:29:20,760 --> 00:29:23,680
Speaker 6: they're just struggling and he's not able to elevate them.

635
00:29:23,720 --> 00:29:26,880
Speaker 6: So it's just been a ton of volatility in performance

636
00:29:26,880 --> 00:29:29,160
Speaker 6: from week to week. And I guess that's what you know,

637
00:29:29,200 --> 00:29:31,880
Speaker 6: that's manufactured parody. That's what makes the NFL good, and

638
00:29:31,920 --> 00:29:33,560
Speaker 6: that's why we keep tuning in. But I'll tell you what,

639
00:29:33,600 --> 00:29:35,480
Speaker 6: it's frustrating for people who are trying to pick games

640
00:29:35,520 --> 00:29:37,360
Speaker 6: because it's really hard to predict them right now.

641
00:29:37,440 --> 00:29:39,600
Speaker 2: It is very hard this year. Talking with Nick Shook,

642
00:29:39,920 --> 00:29:42,520
Speaker 2: I mean, we know that the Browns were a team

643
00:29:42,520 --> 00:29:46,520
Speaker 2: that had serious aspirations and fell short. But I'd argue

644
00:29:46,520 --> 00:29:50,320
Speaker 2: that Dallas and the Jets are just right there in

645
00:29:50,400 --> 00:29:52,920
Speaker 2: terms of falling short of their expectations. What do you

646
00:29:53,040 --> 00:29:55,760
Speaker 2: make and now Dallas without Dak, but what do you

647
00:29:55,760 --> 00:29:58,240
Speaker 2: make of what's going on with the New York Jets?

648
00:29:58,600 --> 00:29:59,160
Speaker 3: Oh Man?

649
00:29:59,640 --> 00:30:02,800
Speaker 6: That is is the Lebron effect when it goes south.

650
00:30:03,920 --> 00:30:06,720
Speaker 6: It is you know, you get a veteran who you

651
00:30:06,720 --> 00:30:08,840
Speaker 6: think is gonna be the missing piece, is gonna lead

652
00:30:08,840 --> 00:30:10,400
Speaker 6: you to a championship, and you go all in on

653
00:30:10,440 --> 00:30:12,840
Speaker 6: the short title window and it just falls apart. And

654
00:30:12,880 --> 00:30:15,400
Speaker 6: I think it really started defensively. They lost some edge

655
00:30:15,480 --> 00:30:18,080
Speaker 6: rushers in the offseason. You know, they lose guys like

656
00:30:18,120 --> 00:30:20,720
Speaker 6: Bryce Huff who made an impact for them. Hassan Reich

657
00:30:20,800 --> 00:30:23,200
Speaker 6: doesn't show up until a couple of weeks ago. They

658
00:30:23,280 --> 00:30:25,680
Speaker 6: lack consistency on the defensive side of the ball. They're

659
00:30:25,720 --> 00:30:27,480
Speaker 6: not making plays because that was their strength over the

660
00:30:27,560 --> 00:30:30,040
Speaker 6: last few years. It was well, they have playmakers on

661
00:30:30,080 --> 00:30:32,400
Speaker 6: offense and they have a really good defense. They're just

662
00:30:32,440 --> 00:30:34,160
Speaker 6: a quarterback away, and then they get the quarterback with

663
00:30:34,240 --> 00:30:37,640
Speaker 6: the defense kind of disintegrates in small pieces and isn't

664
00:30:37,680 --> 00:30:39,719
Speaker 6: able to hold up their end of the bargain, and

665
00:30:39,840 --> 00:30:41,840
Speaker 6: a short leash on a coach that probably got fired

666
00:30:41,880 --> 00:30:44,600
Speaker 6: too quickly because they weren't producing instead of giving them

667
00:30:44,600 --> 00:30:46,840
Speaker 6: some patience. And now you're just seeing the effects of

668
00:30:46,880 --> 00:30:49,200
Speaker 6: all of that, combined with the fact that they can't

669
00:30:49,200 --> 00:30:53,000
Speaker 6: protect Aaron Rodgers. Tyron Smith, who you know, veteran offensive tackle,

670
00:30:53,080 --> 00:30:56,560
Speaker 6: great career in the NFL, but has regressed pretty significantly,

671
00:30:56,640 --> 00:30:58,760
Speaker 6: has had a ton of injuries in his career, does

672
00:30:58,800 --> 00:31:00,680
Speaker 6: not look like the guy he used to be in Dallas,

673
00:31:00,720 --> 00:31:03,080
Speaker 6: and has struggled all season to protect him so much

674
00:31:03,120 --> 00:31:05,480
Speaker 6: that Olufashanu ends up replacing him in their most recent

675
00:31:05,520 --> 00:31:07,360
Speaker 6: game that left tackle the rookie out of Penn State,

676
00:31:07,880 --> 00:31:10,520
Speaker 6: and their entire offense has suffered as a result. Rogers

677
00:31:10,640 --> 00:31:12,240
Speaker 6: time to throw has been like two tenths of the

678
00:31:12,280 --> 00:31:14,680
Speaker 6: second faster than it was over his previous four seasons.

679
00:31:14,720 --> 00:31:17,760
Speaker 6: Combined like the offense is just undercut by the fact

680
00:31:17,800 --> 00:31:20,440
Speaker 6: that they can't protect well. Their scheme isn't very good.

681
00:31:20,680 --> 00:31:22,320
Speaker 6: The thing will Hack had lost his job and would

682
00:31:22,320 --> 00:31:24,640
Speaker 6: have lost his job entirely and been unemployed. It's not

683
00:31:24,760 --> 00:31:26,920
Speaker 6: being Rogers' friend, and so he just gets demoted and

684
00:31:27,520 --> 00:31:30,440
Speaker 6: loses his title, and all the changes are just like

685
00:31:30,520 --> 00:31:32,560
Speaker 6: throwing spaghetti at the wall and hoping, you know, some

686
00:31:32,680 --> 00:31:34,680
Speaker 6: of it sticks, and at three and seven, much of

687
00:31:34,720 --> 00:31:37,200
Speaker 6: it has not stuck, especially in the division, which they're

688
00:31:37,240 --> 00:31:39,000
Speaker 6: essentially out of the race with Buffalo eight and too.

689
00:31:39,120 --> 00:31:41,360
Speaker 6: So I don't know where they go from here. Because

690
00:31:41,360 --> 00:31:43,520
Speaker 6: they have some young pieces on defense, they've got talent

691
00:31:43,560 --> 00:31:46,120
Speaker 6: at receiver and Garrett Wilson, they go get DeVante Adams

692
00:31:46,120 --> 00:31:48,000
Speaker 6: that has not worked out well. Him and Rodgers have

693
00:31:48,160 --> 00:31:50,560
Speaker 6: not been on the same page. But again, you know,

694
00:31:50,600 --> 00:31:53,480
Speaker 6: it's it's the tried and true lesson. It starts up front.

695
00:31:53,520 --> 00:31:55,360
Speaker 6: If you can't protect well and you can't block well,

696
00:31:55,440 --> 00:31:58,160
Speaker 6: everything's going to be difficult. Especially the same thing goes

697
00:31:58,160 --> 00:31:59,600
Speaker 6: for if you can't stop the run and you can't

698
00:31:59,600 --> 00:32:02,000
Speaker 6: get up the passer with the front four, the same

699
00:32:02,000 --> 00:32:03,840
Speaker 6: thing is going to be an issue. So I think

700
00:32:03,840 --> 00:32:05,720
Speaker 6: that's really where it starts for them. They invested in

701
00:32:05,800 --> 00:32:07,160
Speaker 6: the off season and try to get better of there.

702
00:32:07,200 --> 00:32:09,280
Speaker 6: It has not produced the results that they hoped for.

703
00:32:09,760 --> 00:32:12,240
Speaker 6: And Dallas they just lacked weapons. I mean, they had

704
00:32:12,240 --> 00:32:15,120
Speaker 6: a quiet offseason. We knew that they were rack weapons

705
00:32:15,600 --> 00:32:18,360
Speaker 6: and they're paying for their lack of activity in the

706
00:32:18,360 --> 00:32:22,200
Speaker 6: off season unfortunately, and this is basically what they look

707
00:32:22,240 --> 00:32:24,520
Speaker 6: like on paper. You know, Mike colleague Greg Rosenthal put

708
00:32:24,600 --> 00:32:26,040
Speaker 6: them on the list as teams that are going to

709
00:32:26,080 --> 00:32:28,360
Speaker 6: blow up this year and disappoint significantly, and he was

710
00:32:28,360 --> 00:32:30,600
Speaker 6: absolutely right, and especially now if they don't have a quarterback.

711
00:32:30,640 --> 00:32:33,800
Speaker 6: They just they lacked teeth in their attack on the

712
00:32:33,840 --> 00:32:35,240
Speaker 6: offensive side of the ball, and they've been hurt a

713
00:32:35,280 --> 00:32:37,040
Speaker 6: lot on the defensive side of the ball. You know,

714
00:32:37,080 --> 00:32:39,360
Speaker 6: they just got Mike Camparsons back last week. He made

715
00:32:39,400 --> 00:32:41,200
Speaker 6: an impact, but it only played like fifty three percent

716
00:32:41,200 --> 00:32:43,560
Speaker 6: of snaps, and you know, that's basically what you're gonna do.

717
00:32:43,560 --> 00:32:45,200
Speaker 6: You're gonna a guy on a pitch countany he's coming

718
00:32:45,240 --> 00:32:47,360
Speaker 6: back from an injury and he can't make up for

719
00:32:47,560 --> 00:32:50,080
Speaker 6: you know, all eleven guys in the field. So they're

720
00:32:50,200 --> 00:32:52,600
Speaker 6: on the disappointing teams. You know, you go on the

721
00:32:52,680 --> 00:32:55,280
Speaker 6: AFC side and you look at Cincinnati at four and six,

722
00:32:55,400 --> 00:32:57,440
Speaker 6: I think that's one team that could actually amount a run.

723
00:32:57,520 --> 00:32:59,800
Speaker 6: The way that they lost that game to Baltimore was heartbreaking,

724
00:33:00,120 --> 00:33:02,160
Speaker 6: but I think that they are talented enough. They Joe

725
00:33:02,160 --> 00:33:04,600
Speaker 6: Burrow is having a great year, but their defense has

726
00:33:05,120 --> 00:33:07,440
Speaker 6: not been consistent enough for them, and He's had to

727
00:33:07,520 --> 00:33:08,880
Speaker 6: kind of carry them. But I think they have enough

728
00:33:08,880 --> 00:33:11,719
Speaker 6: talents and maybe make a run. But again, what happens

729
00:33:11,760 --> 00:33:14,000
Speaker 6: every year, We get like four to five new playoff

730
00:33:14,040 --> 00:33:16,560
Speaker 6: teams every year because of that manufactured parody that makes

731
00:33:16,560 --> 00:33:18,720
Speaker 6: the NFL so interesting, and we're seeing it happen again.

732
00:33:19,560 --> 00:33:21,400
Speaker 2: You're talking AFC North a little bit there. You mentioned

733
00:33:21,440 --> 00:33:25,440
Speaker 2: the Bengals. Ravens obviously are a very very talented offense.

734
00:33:25,480 --> 00:33:27,600
Speaker 2: That defense does feel like it could be an achilles

735
00:33:27,640 --> 00:33:30,120
Speaker 2: heel in the playoffs. But I got to ask you

736
00:33:30,120 --> 00:33:33,680
Speaker 2: about the Steelers because I'll be honest, I thought that

737
00:33:33,800 --> 00:33:36,160
Speaker 2: just getting Russell Wilson, I thought Justin Field's played well

738
00:33:36,160 --> 00:33:39,680
Speaker 2: early this year Russell Wilson, that between Fields or Wilson,

739
00:33:39,720 --> 00:33:41,320
Speaker 2: it was gonna be a massive upgrade over what they

740
00:33:41,320 --> 00:33:42,880
Speaker 2: had last year, and they were able to win games.

741
00:33:42,880 --> 00:33:44,960
Speaker 2: They just know how to win. They may not be

742
00:33:45,000 --> 00:33:47,000
Speaker 2: the most talented team, but they just know how to

743
00:33:47,040 --> 00:33:48,400
Speaker 2: win and that's what they do. What do you make

744
00:33:48,440 --> 00:33:50,240
Speaker 2: of the Steelers sitting here at seven and two?

745
00:33:51,400 --> 00:33:54,000
Speaker 6: Yeah, what you just said is exactly why I scoffed

746
00:33:54,000 --> 00:33:56,320
Speaker 6: at the whole idea that Mike Tomlin might be on

747
00:33:56,360 --> 00:33:57,760
Speaker 6: a hot seat at the end of last year, Like

748
00:33:57,800 --> 00:34:00,560
Speaker 6: I remember he closed his press conference lost the Bills

749
00:34:00,600 --> 00:34:02,880
Speaker 6: in the playoffs, or he was asked about only having

750
00:34:02,880 --> 00:34:05,280
Speaker 6: one year less than this deal, and he just walked away.

751
00:34:05,320 --> 00:34:07,040
Speaker 6: And I was like, that's exactly what you should do,

752
00:34:07,160 --> 00:34:10,359
Speaker 6: because you have earned the right to walk away from

753
00:34:10,400 --> 00:34:12,719
Speaker 6: a question like that. You have turned teams that are

754
00:34:12,800 --> 00:34:15,160
Speaker 6: mediocre in any other market, in any other franchise, and

755
00:34:15,160 --> 00:34:19,120
Speaker 6: gotten them to the playoffs purely off of coaching and

756
00:34:19,680 --> 00:34:21,120
Speaker 6: figuring out a way to make it work on the

757
00:34:21,120 --> 00:34:23,080
Speaker 6: defensive side of the ball. And what you're seeing again

758
00:34:23,520 --> 00:34:26,080
Speaker 6: is a coach who has a very good defense, has

759
00:34:26,160 --> 00:34:27,879
Speaker 6: a lot of talent. They went and added more talent

760
00:34:27,920 --> 00:34:30,000
Speaker 6: wh they got Preston Smith's to the deadline. Then you've

761
00:34:30,000 --> 00:34:32,399
Speaker 6: got a coach who works in tandem with a GM

762
00:34:32,400 --> 00:34:34,640
Speaker 6: who gives him not one, but two options at quarterback.

763
00:34:34,920 --> 00:34:36,279
Speaker 6: And then he's like, you know, we're gonna go with

764
00:34:36,280 --> 00:34:38,800
Speaker 6: the kid that can run more. Maybe isn't as consistent

765
00:34:38,880 --> 00:34:41,760
Speaker 6: or as effective of a passer because Russ isn't entirely healthy.

766
00:34:41,880 --> 00:34:43,640
Speaker 6: We have a full season to figure this out and

767
00:34:43,680 --> 00:34:46,000
Speaker 6: they coach them to success and they win games that way.

768
00:34:46,040 --> 00:34:48,239
Speaker 6: They're ugly, they lean on their defense, they play ball

769
00:34:48,280 --> 00:34:51,080
Speaker 6: control and it works and then Russ comes in and

770
00:34:51,120 --> 00:34:53,799
Speaker 6: opens up the passing game. Now, the crazy thing about

771
00:34:53,840 --> 00:34:56,840
Speaker 6: them is, I like they're one of the most consistent

772
00:34:56,840 --> 00:34:59,200
Speaker 6: teams in the NFL right now. Obviously the record indicates

773
00:34:59,239 --> 00:35:01,600
Speaker 6: that we have. I've not seen enough bad from Russell

774
00:35:01,600 --> 00:35:04,080
Speaker 6: Wilson yet to tank a game, but like they win

775
00:35:04,120 --> 00:35:07,440
Speaker 6: over Washington, he was wildly inconsistent. I mean, missus guys

776
00:35:07,520 --> 00:35:09,800
Speaker 6: over the middle of the field, then drop dimes on

777
00:35:10,239 --> 00:35:13,680
Speaker 6: pickins and Mike Williams another new addition for a key touchdown.

778
00:35:13,800 --> 00:35:15,839
Speaker 6: Like that's who they've been with him for the most part,

779
00:35:16,000 --> 00:35:18,640
Speaker 6: very much a second half of the game team. But

780
00:35:18,680 --> 00:35:20,799
Speaker 6: that those teams are scary because their defense is good

781
00:35:20,880 --> 00:35:22,400
Speaker 6: enough to keep them in games and then figure it

782
00:35:22,400 --> 00:35:25,239
Speaker 6: out on offense, and that stuff usually travels well. And

783
00:35:25,280 --> 00:35:26,440
Speaker 6: I think they're going to be in the flight all

784
00:35:26,440 --> 00:35:28,080
Speaker 6: the way through. I would put him as a Super

785
00:35:28,080 --> 00:35:30,040
Speaker 6: Bowl contender. But they're one of those teams that you're

786
00:35:30,080 --> 00:35:31,520
Speaker 6: not going to want to run into in the playoffs,

787
00:35:31,560 --> 00:35:34,759
Speaker 6: provided they stay healthy. And again that just points to

788
00:35:34,920 --> 00:35:38,800
Speaker 6: consistency and continuity from a front office level all the

789
00:35:38,840 --> 00:35:40,880
Speaker 6: way down to head coaching, and they've done. They've been

790
00:35:40,920 --> 00:35:42,640
Speaker 6: one of the best franchises at it in the history

791
00:35:42,760 --> 00:35:44,520
Speaker 6: of the NFL. You know, we know about how they've

792
00:35:44,560 --> 00:35:48,399
Speaker 6: only had three coaches since the sixties. It's intentional continuity

793
00:35:48,640 --> 00:35:51,080
Speaker 6: and it's paying off in droves for them right now.

794
00:35:51,120 --> 00:35:52,919
Speaker 6: And they're going to be a tough out no matter

795
00:35:53,000 --> 00:35:53,680
Speaker 6: who they face.

796
00:35:55,200 --> 00:35:56,440
Speaker 2: All Right, We're going to get you out of here

797
00:35:56,440 --> 00:35:58,640
Speaker 2: on this one, and I appreciate your time. All right,

798
00:35:58,680 --> 00:36:00,960
Speaker 2: give me one team that is currently not in the

799
00:36:01,000 --> 00:36:03,560
Speaker 2: AFC and one team that's currently not in the NFC,

800
00:36:03,680 --> 00:36:05,200
Speaker 2: if the season were to end today, that's going to

801
00:36:05,239 --> 00:36:05,960
Speaker 2: make the playoffs.

802
00:36:10,760 --> 00:36:13,200
Speaker 6: If the season we're to end today.

803
00:36:13,480 --> 00:36:16,359
Speaker 2: If the season, no, this somebody who's not in if

804
00:36:16,360 --> 00:36:18,640
Speaker 2: the season were over today, like for example, in the AFC,

805
00:36:19,080 --> 00:36:25,760
Speaker 2: on the outside looking in right now, would be the Colts, Bengals, Dolphins, Jets, Patriots, Browns, Titans, Raiders, Jags.

806
00:36:27,640 --> 00:36:28,600
Speaker 6: That's gonna be the Bengals.

807
00:36:29,000 --> 00:36:29,759
Speaker 4: I would agree with that.

808
00:36:30,239 --> 00:36:33,320
Speaker 6: No confidence in any of the other teams the Colts.

809
00:36:33,920 --> 00:36:36,120
Speaker 6: The Colts I think made a short sighted decision going

810
00:36:36,160 --> 00:36:38,120
Speaker 6: to Joe Flacco. As much as everybody in Cluveland loves

811
00:36:38,160 --> 00:36:40,799
Speaker 6: Joe Flaco for what he did last year, I think

812
00:36:40,800 --> 00:36:42,600
Speaker 6: that they pulled the plug on Anthony Richardson a little

813
00:36:42,600 --> 00:36:44,239
Speaker 6: too quickly, and we've kind of seen them pay for

814
00:36:44,440 --> 00:36:47,239
Speaker 6: that decision the last couple of weeks. Yeah, Denver is

815
00:36:47,280 --> 00:36:48,799
Speaker 6: going to make it interesting, but I think that they're

816
00:36:48,840 --> 00:36:50,560
Speaker 6: as it stands right now. They'd still get in there,

817
00:36:51,200 --> 00:36:52,839
Speaker 6: but they're an interesting team to watch. So I think

818
00:36:52,880 --> 00:36:55,000
Speaker 6: the Bengals one team that are probably equit best to

819
00:36:55,040 --> 00:36:57,880
Speaker 6: make a late season run to the playoffs. Miami, don't

820
00:36:58,120 --> 00:37:00,160
Speaker 6: take your eyes off of them just yet. That went

821
00:37:00,239 --> 00:37:02,680
Speaker 6: last night was pretty big for them. Yeah, could figure

822
00:37:02,680 --> 00:37:04,279
Speaker 6: it out. The schedule sets up that they could make

823
00:37:04,280 --> 00:37:06,319
Speaker 6: a run on the back half of the season. But

824
00:37:06,680 --> 00:37:08,440
Speaker 6: I would put more stock on the Bengals right now

825
00:37:08,480 --> 00:37:11,840
Speaker 6: just because Joe Burnle's playing great football. On the NFC side.

826
00:37:12,120 --> 00:37:13,919
Speaker 6: One of my teams that they have what Tampa Bay

827
00:37:14,000 --> 00:37:15,240
Speaker 6: is one of those teams that's.

828
00:37:16,280 --> 00:37:19,239
Speaker 2: Right now on the outside looking in. Niners at five

829
00:37:19,280 --> 00:37:22,720
Speaker 2: and four, Bears, Rams, Seahawks at four and five, Bucks

830
00:37:22,719 --> 00:37:26,240
Speaker 2: at four and six, Cowboys three and six, Saints, Panthers Giants.

831
00:37:26,680 --> 00:37:29,040
Speaker 2: I mean the Niners. Niners are going to make the playoffs.

832
00:37:29,440 --> 00:37:31,160
Speaker 6: Yeah, the Niners of the team that I would pick

833
00:37:31,440 --> 00:37:34,879
Speaker 6: with the most confidence. But this Bucks team, I like them.

834
00:37:35,080 --> 00:37:37,840
Speaker 6: I like what they do. I think they've they've paid

835
00:37:37,880 --> 00:37:41,000
Speaker 6: for poor coaching decisions situationally over the last couple of weeks,

836
00:37:41,040 --> 00:37:44,520
Speaker 6: especially that overtime lost to Kansas City. They lost Chris Godwin,

837
00:37:44,520 --> 00:37:47,200
Speaker 6: which is a massive loss. But they get Mike Evans

838
00:37:47,200 --> 00:37:49,759
Speaker 6: back soon. Baker's playing good football there. They are an

839
00:37:49,800 --> 00:37:51,799
Speaker 6: offensive team, and if he gets Mike Evans back, it's

840
00:37:51,800 --> 00:37:53,920
Speaker 6: going to be a boost. Investments in Bucky Irving and

841
00:37:54,280 --> 00:37:56,640
Speaker 6: even Sean Tucker are one of my favorite on heralded

842
00:37:56,680 --> 00:37:58,800
Speaker 6: running backs, right next to Ray Davis in the NFL.

843
00:37:58,880 --> 00:38:01,239
Speaker 6: Right now. They they you know, they've kind of gotten

844
00:38:01,239 --> 00:38:02,839
Speaker 6: their ground game going a little bit too. So I

845
00:38:03,000 --> 00:38:05,600
Speaker 6: like them, but confidence wise, like, if I'm putting my

846
00:38:05,600 --> 00:38:07,200
Speaker 6: life on the line, I'm gonna go to San Francisco

847
00:38:07,200 --> 00:38:09,279
Speaker 6: because they're gonna They're a second half team. They've been

848
00:38:09,360 --> 00:38:11,759
Speaker 6: the second half team throughout the entirety of the Kyle

849
00:38:11,800 --> 00:38:13,799
Speaker 6: Shanahan era, and I think they're going to figure it out.

850
00:38:14,160 --> 00:38:15,839
Speaker 6: And if they don't win, the NFC West, they'll get

851
00:38:15,880 --> 00:38:17,920
Speaker 6: in as a wildcard team, and they're right behind Arizona,

852
00:38:18,000 --> 00:38:19,680
Speaker 6: so it would go to San Francisco. But keep an

853
00:38:19,680 --> 00:38:20,520
Speaker 6: eye on the Buccaneers.

854
00:38:20,840 --> 00:38:22,719
Speaker 2: It feels like the Bucks are going to have to

855
00:38:22,800 --> 00:38:25,479
Speaker 2: win their division to get in, and they're currently down

856
00:38:25,520 --> 00:38:27,440
Speaker 2: two to the Falcons and lost both head to heads,

857
00:38:27,440 --> 00:38:30,520
Speaker 2: so they're really down three. They've got out they bye

858
00:38:30,520 --> 00:38:32,600
Speaker 2: week this week, then they go at Giants. They could

859
00:38:32,600 --> 00:38:36,160
Speaker 2: win that at Panthers, could win that home, Raiders at

860
00:38:36,280 --> 00:38:39,480
Speaker 2: Chargers at Cowboys home, Panthers home Saints. I mean, they

861
00:38:39,520 --> 00:38:41,040
Speaker 2: have one hard game left, which is the.

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Speaker 6: Chargers are all those are all wins except for Chargers,

863
00:38:44,120 --> 00:38:47,520
Speaker 6: I think, and divisional games get weird. But if they

864
00:38:47,560 --> 00:38:49,800
Speaker 6: do get healthier on the offensive side of the ball,

865
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Speaker 6: you know, losing Tristan Wurfs in that game really hurt

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00:38:52,320 --> 00:38:55,400
Speaker 6: them in their most recent loss. They're really just a

867
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Speaker 6: scrappy bunch and so I would definitely definitely keep an

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Speaker 6: eye on them outside on the outside looking in as

869
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Speaker 6: a team that could make a late season push.

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Speaker 2: Falcons have at Broncos bye week, home, Chargers at Vikings

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00:39:08,440 --> 00:39:11,359
Speaker 2: at Raiders home, Giants at Commanders home Panthers. So theirs

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00:39:11,400 --> 00:39:13,480
Speaker 2: isn't bad either, given that they've got a three game lead,

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00:39:13,680 --> 00:39:15,279
Speaker 2: that's gonna be a fun one. Well, Nick Schuck, this

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00:39:15,400 --> 00:39:17,440
Speaker 2: was always this is a blast as it always is.

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00:39:17,880 --> 00:39:21,520
Speaker 2: Appreciate the unfortunate at times, the tough, honesty, and also

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00:39:21,560 --> 00:39:24,000
Speaker 2: the perspective on the league. And everybody follow him on

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Speaker 2: X at the Nick Schuck, Nick Shook, everybody.

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Speaker 6: Appreciate you as always, great time talking.

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Speaker 2: All right, man, keep it rolling. Eight and three. Let's

880
00:39:33,040 --> 00:39:36,000
Speaker 2: go keep this young quarterback locked in, go get a championship.

881
00:39:36,080 --> 00:39:36,520
Speaker 2: Let's do it.

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00:39:36,680 --> 00:39:40,279
Speaker 6: Yeah, keep that for Noah Conrad on Twitch. Everybody's that's

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Speaker 6: a Nick Shook on Twitch. But Noah Conrad is the

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Speaker 6: name of the star. Watch out for him.

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Speaker 2: Watch out for Noah Conrad leading the team to the

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Speaker 8: Now.

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00:40:35,520 --> 00:40:38,200
Speaker 2: The Bears have reportedly part of ways with offensive coordinator

899
00:40:38,239 --> 00:40:40,359
Speaker 2: Shane Waldron per Adam Schefter.

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Speaker 4: Gibbe. Yeah, Hi, good to see you.

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Speaker 2: Good to see you.

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Speaker 4: You come sitting here if you I know, I figure

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Speaker 4: in the two o'clock hour, we'll shift some things around.

904
00:40:51,360 --> 00:40:53,640
Speaker 4: Uh way to fall on that grenade, buddy.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm surprised the eber Flus is still there. I

906
00:40:56,520 --> 00:41:01,640
Speaker 2: guess they're trying to keep it together. It's and again

907
00:41:01,719 --> 00:41:04,320
Speaker 2: now you have you're gonna have a quarterback in Caleb

908
00:41:04,400 --> 00:41:08,560
Speaker 2: Williams who most likely is going to have be on

909
00:41:08,640 --> 00:41:11,440
Speaker 2: his third offensive coordinator at the start of his second season.

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00:41:12,120 --> 00:41:14,840
Speaker 2: That's always that's a tough situation for young quarterbacks. And

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00:41:14,840 --> 00:41:17,000
Speaker 2: I think you know, we certainly saw that here with Baker.

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00:41:17,040 --> 00:41:18,319
Speaker 4: Baker every year it was.

913
00:41:18,280 --> 00:41:21,319
Speaker 2: A new play caller for him, and that's that's very,

914
00:41:21,400 --> 00:41:24,520
Speaker 2: very difficult till his final two seasons. Cowboys owner and

915
00:41:24,560 --> 00:41:27,720
Speaker 2: general manager Jerry Jones not happy about complaints about the curtain.

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00:41:27,800 --> 00:41:29,400
Speaker 2: He said, that's the least of our problems there in

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00:41:29,440 --> 00:41:31,080
Speaker 2: the sun. We know where the sun is. That should

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00:41:31,080 --> 00:41:33,160
Speaker 2: be an advantage for us. I mean, if you guys

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00:41:33,160 --> 00:41:36,680
Speaker 2: are blinded, that's not good. I'm not sure about it.

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00:41:37,360 --> 00:41:39,800
Speaker 2: He also announced that Dak Prescott is out for the

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00:41:39,880 --> 00:41:42,080
Speaker 2: year and Cooper Rush will be the starter moving forward.

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00:41:43,040 --> 00:41:44,680
Speaker 2: I don't know about you, guys, I've seen plenty of

923
00:41:44,719 --> 00:41:48,480
Speaker 2: Cooper Rush. I'd like, this, is Trey Lance any good?

924
00:41:48,480 --> 00:41:50,240
Speaker 2: And if not, then what are we even doing here

925
00:41:50,440 --> 00:41:53,120
Speaker 2: at this Like, at least find out let him? Can

926
00:41:53,120 --> 00:41:55,480
Speaker 2: he play in this league or not? Cooper Rush. Cooper

927
00:41:55,560 --> 00:41:59,000
Speaker 2: rush Is line this past week is one of the

928
00:41:59,080 --> 00:42:02,719
Speaker 2: craziest stats lines I've ever seen in my life. And

929
00:42:02,800 --> 00:42:05,560
Speaker 2: I really don't even know, honestly what to make of it.

930
00:42:06,440 --> 00:42:08,399
Speaker 2: Cooper Rush, let me pulls up. So I'm pretty sure

931
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Speaker 2: I have this right. I think he averaged two yards

932
00:42:11,239 --> 00:42:16,200
Speaker 2: per attempt in this game, thirteen of twenty three for

933
00:42:16,200 --> 00:42:19,120
Speaker 2: forty five yards.

934
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Speaker 4: That's gonna make Ceedee Lamb really happy. No, Ceedee Lamb isn't.

935
00:42:23,520 --> 00:42:26,880
Speaker 2: He had six catches for twenty one yards, the longest

936
00:42:26,880 --> 00:42:29,479
Speaker 2: reception of the day was six yards. Their longest pass

937
00:42:29,520 --> 00:42:35,839
Speaker 2: completion of the day was ten yards. They had one

938
00:42:35,880 --> 00:42:40,319
Speaker 2: reception of ten yards out of seventeen catches. Here's my

939
00:42:40,760 --> 00:42:42,840
Speaker 2: that's insane to me. This goes back to this that

940
00:42:42,880 --> 00:42:45,880
Speaker 2: feels like I could be I have the possibility of

941
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Speaker 2: doing it.

942
00:42:46,160 --> 00:42:49,359
Speaker 4: But this goes back to Dak Prescott does have some

943
00:42:49,480 --> 00:42:50,480
Speaker 4: injury pasted.

944
00:42:50,840 --> 00:42:56,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, Like you know this, it's hard when you can't

945
00:42:56,960 --> 00:42:59,759
Speaker 2: You can't when you pay a quarterback that much, you

946
00:42:59,760 --> 00:43:02,719
Speaker 2: can't have a great backup. It just doesn't work. And

947
00:43:03,200 --> 00:43:06,080
Speaker 2: the truth is your season's likely over anyway. I mean

948
00:43:06,160 --> 00:43:09,480
Speaker 2: Dak Prescott the year before played he played full seasons,

949
00:43:09,480 --> 00:43:11,120
Speaker 2: and two of the last three he had a twelve

950
00:43:11,120 --> 00:43:13,759
Speaker 2: game season in there as well. Last year he threw

951
00:43:13,840 --> 00:43:16,960
Speaker 2: for forty five and sixteen yards, thirty six touchdowns and

952
00:43:17,080 --> 00:43:22,040
Speaker 2: nine picks, like second in the AP in the MVP voting.

953
00:43:23,280 --> 00:43:24,719
Speaker 2: You gotta pay him, and you pay him that like

954
00:43:24,800 --> 00:43:27,160
Speaker 2: it just you have to. You can't have Why would

955
00:43:27,160 --> 00:43:29,680
Speaker 2: you allocate more money to that room. You got young

956
00:43:29,680 --> 00:43:31,920
Speaker 2: guys on rookie deals. Obviously that's all you can do.

957
00:43:33,320 --> 00:43:36,360
Speaker 2: I don't know, I mean, it goes it's or betteran

958
00:43:36,360 --> 00:43:39,000
Speaker 2: minimump Rush better in minimum for sure?

959
00:43:39,040 --> 00:43:41,880
Speaker 4: What do you how do you not have an insurance

960
00:43:41,920 --> 00:43:42,719
Speaker 4: policy on this?

961
00:43:44,120 --> 00:43:46,040
Speaker 2: So Cooper Rush when he stepped in for Dak in

962
00:43:46,160 --> 00:43:49,359
Speaker 2: twenty twenty two went they went four and one. Maybe

963
00:43:49,360 --> 00:43:51,120
Speaker 2: they were thinking, okay, he was able to get us

964
00:43:51,120 --> 00:43:52,839
Speaker 2: through there. He could do it. He's five and two

965
00:43:52,880 --> 00:43:57,200
Speaker 2: all time as a starter, sixty percent completions, nine touchdowns,

966
00:43:57,239 --> 00:44:00,000
Speaker 2: six picks, rating of seventy nine, and he knows the offense.

967
00:44:00,040 --> 00:44:03,160
Speaker 2: They're obviously comfortable with them. But yeah, it's not great.

968
00:44:03,760 --> 00:44:05,960
Speaker 2: But that's kind of unfortunately, that's just the world that

969
00:44:06,080 --> 00:44:08,399
Speaker 2: you live in. When you have the quarterbacks that make

970
00:44:08,440 --> 00:44:13,040
Speaker 2: that much money, there aren't good backups. There just aren't.

971
00:44:14,480 --> 00:44:16,600
Speaker 4: Well now you're looking at.

972
00:44:17,000 --> 00:44:23,480
Speaker 2: Trying to think, like the backup for Lamar is Josh Johnson. Oh,

973
00:44:23,520 --> 00:44:27,760
Speaker 2: I know, if he went down to I mean curtains.

974
00:44:28,200 --> 00:44:30,920
Speaker 2: So it just that's unfortunately, that's the way that you

975
00:44:31,000 --> 00:44:33,799
Speaker 2: got to do it in the NFL. I just think

976
00:44:33,840 --> 00:44:37,000
Speaker 2: that you should rethink that because you only have so

977
00:44:37,080 --> 00:44:37,959
Speaker 2: much money give back.

978
00:44:38,040 --> 00:44:42,279
Speaker 4: Yeah, but you haven't eighteen week seasons, I know.

979
00:44:42,480 --> 00:44:45,840
Speaker 2: But I think the thought is if you're if you

980
00:44:45,960 --> 00:44:48,799
Speaker 2: have that guy with that salary. If you have the guy,

981
00:44:49,520 --> 00:44:55,120
Speaker 2: even if he gets hurt, that's probably it. Like there

982
00:44:55,160 --> 00:44:57,080
Speaker 2: isn't somebody who's gonna come in and Steward you do

983
00:44:57,080 --> 00:44:59,640
Speaker 2: a super He seems are thinking super Bowl, you know

984
00:44:59,680 --> 00:45:01,359
Speaker 2: what I mean? Like, if you've got Lamar, you've got

985
00:45:01,400 --> 00:45:05,560
Speaker 2: Dak Prescott, you've got Joe Burrow, you're not paying a

986
00:45:05,600 --> 00:45:08,759
Speaker 2: backup because if those guys go down that they're the franchise.

987
00:45:08,960 --> 00:45:12,480
Speaker 2: That's it, and you can't afford to really you'd rather

988
00:45:12,520 --> 00:45:15,319
Speaker 2: have that, you know, that money going to try to

989
00:45:15,320 --> 00:45:17,880
Speaker 2: help out the roster overall.

990
00:45:17,640 --> 00:45:21,719
Speaker 4: Speak, Oh Dallas cowboy fan might have a different opinion today.

991
00:45:21,000 --> 00:45:23,000
Speaker 2: But what are they gonna do this season anyway?

992
00:45:23,120 --> 00:45:26,040
Speaker 4: Well, number one, we signed Ezekiel Elliott over Derrick Henry.

993
00:45:26,320 --> 00:45:28,960
Speaker 2: Well, that was they should have spent. But then again,

994
00:45:29,480 --> 00:45:32,799
Speaker 2: that's money that should have been spent there, but not

995
00:45:32,840 --> 00:45:36,480
Speaker 2: on a backup quarterback because it doesn't matter. Adam Schefter saying,

996
00:45:36,560 --> 00:45:39,000
Speaker 2: upon appeal, the NFL hearing officer Jordy Nelson, love that

997
00:45:39,040 --> 00:45:41,680
Speaker 2: Jordy Nelson's doing this has rescinded the sixteen thousand dollars

998
00:45:41,760 --> 00:45:44,840
Speaker 2: fine levied against Ravens lending backer Roquan Smith for his

999
00:45:44,880 --> 00:45:47,920
Speaker 2: alleged unnecessary roughness on Chris Godwin on the play that

1000
00:45:48,040 --> 00:45:51,000
Speaker 2: ended the Bucks with the Bucks wide receiver dislocating his ankle.

1001
00:45:51,040 --> 00:45:53,880
Speaker 2: Per source. They made such a big deal about the

1002
00:45:53,920 --> 00:45:56,279
Speaker 2: hip drop tackle, it has not really been a big deal.

1003
00:45:56,440 --> 00:45:58,760
Speaker 2: You hate to see injuries, but at the same time,

1004
00:45:59,600 --> 00:46:02,359
Speaker 2: you know your your job is to get the guy

1005
00:46:02,440 --> 00:46:04,640
Speaker 2: to the ground. I mean, that's that's the job of tackling.

1006
00:46:04,680 --> 00:46:07,000
Speaker 2: I think I was shocked that in you know, Nick

1007
00:46:07,040 --> 00:46:09,640
Speaker 2: Bosa didn't just drop his weight and he would have pulled,

1008
00:46:09,719 --> 00:46:11,759
Speaker 2: yanked Baker down and allowed that play to be made.

1009
00:46:11,760 --> 00:46:13,560
Speaker 2: They went on to win the game. But maybe that's

1010
00:46:13,600 --> 00:46:15,400
Speaker 2: what he was worried about, was a fine or a

1011
00:46:15,520 --> 00:46:16,960
Speaker 2: penalty for doing that.

1012
00:46:17,080 --> 00:46:18,400
Speaker 4: I'm sure it's in their minds.

1013
00:46:18,480 --> 00:46:21,279
Speaker 2: It's gotta be. I mean, unfortunately, it's gotta be. It's

1014
00:46:21,280 --> 00:46:25,480
Speaker 2: gotta be. Calves twelve and oh, best start in franchise history.

1015
00:46:25,520 --> 00:46:28,000
Speaker 2: They beat the Bulls one, nineteen one thirteen. They're playing.

1016
00:46:28,040 --> 00:46:29,879
Speaker 2: It's awesome. I mean, this is one of the best

1017
00:46:29,880 --> 00:46:33,480
Speaker 2: starts in league history. They won twelve and twenty days

1018
00:46:33,680 --> 00:46:36,040
Speaker 2: they've got it's the most by a new coach with

1019
00:46:36,080 --> 00:46:38,440
Speaker 2: the new team. Ever, it's the most by the Calves

1020
00:46:38,440 --> 00:46:41,000
Speaker 2: ever right to start a season, I mean, eighth.

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00:46:40,800 --> 00:46:43,760
Speaker 9: Best in league history, eighth best start in league history.

1022
00:46:44,080 --> 00:46:46,800
Speaker 2: There it is top eight all time. The Warriors' best

1023
00:46:46,840 --> 00:46:52,280
Speaker 2: was what like twenty four to twenty five four. That's outrageous.

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00:46:53,200 --> 00:46:55,960
Speaker 4: What year was that, Kevin, go like seventy three years

1025
00:46:55,960 --> 00:46:56,520
Speaker 4: they lost us?

1026
00:46:56,760 --> 00:46:58,080
Speaker 9: Like, yeah, those years they.

1027
00:46:57,960 --> 00:47:00,239
Speaker 2: Lost us fifteen, sixteen.

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00:47:00,120 --> 00:47:01,879
Speaker 9: Yep, after they win seventy three and nine and beat

1029
00:47:01,920 --> 00:47:03,720
Speaker 9: the Bulls record for best record.

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00:47:04,440 --> 00:47:09,480
Speaker 2: Jeez, Louise, listen. I mean, if you're if you're the Calves,

1031
00:47:09,480 --> 00:47:12,520
Speaker 2: all you gotta do is go sixty two and eight

1032
00:47:12,600 --> 00:47:14,239
Speaker 2: right the rest of the way, and you can set

1033
00:47:14,280 --> 00:47:18,440
Speaker 2: the record some good odds. Twelve and oh you're on pace,

1034
00:47:19,120 --> 00:47:23,200
Speaker 2: go twelve and oh five more times. Okay, great, so

1035
00:47:23,560 --> 00:47:26,919
Speaker 2: be sading. It's sixty and oh. It's fun. Yeah, fun.

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Speaker 4: The goal is to score points, kids, and score more

1037
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Speaker 4: than the other team.

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00:47:30,640 --> 00:47:33,200
Speaker 2: I gotta tell you, I do miss the days when

1039
00:47:34,440 --> 00:47:37,920
Speaker 2: local basketball and local baseball were just if you had

1040
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Speaker 2: a television, you had the ability to watch them.

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00:47:40,320 --> 00:47:41,520
Speaker 4: It's quite the challenge.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't I don't quite I don't quite get.

1043
00:47:46,120 --> 00:47:48,080
Speaker 2: It's a Bummer, I would have loved one like or

1044
00:47:48,080 --> 00:47:51,440
Speaker 2: there need to be more national games, should be it

1045
00:47:51,680 --> 00:47:53,440
Speaker 2: should be easier. I don't know, especially for a team

1046
00:47:53,440 --> 00:47:56,160
Speaker 2: that twelve and oh they should be you know, and

1047
00:47:56,239 --> 00:47:58,160
Speaker 2: when Lebron was with the Heat or even with the

1048
00:47:58,239 --> 00:48:01,439
Speaker 2: lay of they're on national team every week at least once.

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00:48:01,480 --> 00:48:03,240
Speaker 2: This cave seem needs to be on national television.

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00:48:03,280 --> 00:48:05,840
Speaker 9: Brian Winhurst did tell the Really Big Show this morning

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00:48:05,960 --> 00:48:08,239
Speaker 9: that you can look for the Cavs to maybe being

1052
00:48:08,640 --> 00:48:10,960
Speaker 9: put in two more national games here coming up.

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Speaker 2: had returned to Munich over this past weekend. What happened?

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00:49:31,560 --> 00:49:33,920
Speaker 2: How was it? Give us some stories? It seemed like

1075
00:49:34,040 --> 00:49:35,640
Speaker 2: just pure joy.

1076
00:49:36,800 --> 00:49:40,120
Speaker 8: It was absolutely pure joy. The amount of people that

1077
00:49:40,160 --> 00:49:45,200
Speaker 8: I got to see, friends, teammates, coaches, just catching up

1078
00:49:45,400 --> 00:49:47,600
Speaker 8: and talking about what they've been doing, what they're.

1079
00:49:47,400 --> 00:49:50,520
Speaker 3: Going to be doing, and of course seven a few beers.

1080
00:49:50,560 --> 00:49:51,799
Speaker 3: It was really just.

1081
00:49:51,760 --> 00:49:54,279
Speaker 8: A wonderful experience being out there. And then of course

1082
00:49:54,320 --> 00:49:56,919
Speaker 8: the NFL games it's really a lot like the Super Bowl.

1083
00:49:56,920 --> 00:49:57,040
Speaker 7: You know.

1084
00:49:57,080 --> 00:50:00,080
Speaker 8: I got a chance to do the color for one

1085
00:50:00,080 --> 00:50:01,799
Speaker 8: of the London games this year and it was a

1086
00:50:01,800 --> 00:50:02,480
Speaker 8: great experience.

1087
00:50:02,520 --> 00:50:05,360
Speaker 3: I loved it. But the NFL really pulls out all.

1088
00:50:05,239 --> 00:50:07,120
Speaker 8: The stops when they go out to Munich and it

1089
00:50:07,120 --> 00:50:09,440
Speaker 8: feels like a Super Bowl. I mean with all the

1090
00:50:10,680 --> 00:50:14,319
Speaker 8: entertainment they had, they had MGK performing at halftime. They

1091
00:50:14,360 --> 00:50:17,160
Speaker 8: really want to make sure that they understand we love

1092
00:50:17,200 --> 00:50:20,399
Speaker 8: you Germany. We know that there's huge football fans and

1093
00:50:20,440 --> 00:50:23,439
Speaker 8: that the NFL is a huge market, and they're trying

1094
00:50:23,440 --> 00:50:25,880
Speaker 8: to go all out so that every experience out in

1095
00:50:25,920 --> 00:50:27,560
Speaker 8: Germany is one to remember.

1096
00:50:29,000 --> 00:50:32,000
Speaker 2: I mean the crowd singing, like with less than two

1097
00:50:32,000 --> 00:50:35,319
Speaker 2: minutes ago in a one score game, just belting out.

1098
00:50:35,360 --> 00:50:37,920
Speaker 2: I think it was Neil Diamond at the time, was incredible.

1099
00:50:37,960 --> 00:50:39,759
Speaker 2: That crowd was just nuts.

1100
00:50:40,520 --> 00:50:43,399
Speaker 8: Yeah, this is not an inexperienced crowd. These guys are

1101
00:50:43,480 --> 00:50:46,799
Speaker 8: used to do in decades of Octoberfest, where everybody gets

1102
00:50:46,840 --> 00:50:49,799
Speaker 8: together they sing along. Obviously, Germany has a huge and

1103
00:50:49,960 --> 00:50:52,960
Speaker 8: rich soccer tradition, so they're used to getting together as

1104
00:50:53,000 --> 00:50:56,760
Speaker 8: a crowd and singing. So it was really really unique,

1105
00:50:56,800 --> 00:50:58,840
Speaker 8: I would say from an NFL experience, because if you

1106
00:50:58,880 --> 00:51:02,000
Speaker 8: go out there, obviously they really know the game well,

1107
00:51:02,160 --> 00:51:03,560
Speaker 8: so they know how to cheer, and they know when

1108
00:51:03,600 --> 00:51:06,120
Speaker 8: to cheer. But then they throw in the little soccer

1109
00:51:06,160 --> 00:51:07,680
Speaker 8: culture and then you get a little bit of the

1110
00:51:07,680 --> 00:51:10,640
Speaker 8: German flare with everybody getting together and singing all their

1111
00:51:10,680 --> 00:51:14,600
Speaker 8: favorite Octoberfest songs. It's really something that you need to

1112
00:51:14,640 --> 00:51:17,319
Speaker 8: do at least once if you're an NFL fan of

1113
00:51:17,440 --> 00:51:19,719
Speaker 8: just the moment it's up there. To me, with an

1114
00:51:19,760 --> 00:51:22,800
Speaker 8: experience like going to the super Bowl, it's.

1115
00:51:22,640 --> 00:51:25,040
Speaker 2: Probably a little more honestly raucous and a little more

1116
00:51:25,040 --> 00:51:27,439
Speaker 2: exciting from a crowd standpoint than the Super Bowl, which

1117
00:51:27,480 --> 00:51:30,880
Speaker 2: is a lot of corporate sponsors. This is people just

1118
00:51:31,040 --> 00:51:34,120
Speaker 2: getting after it. Would you say that the Munich game

1119
00:51:34,239 --> 00:51:39,640
Speaker 2: has more beer consumption than the average game here in America.

1120
00:51:40,760 --> 00:51:43,759
Speaker 8: Now that's a tough one because the average game in

1121
00:51:43,760 --> 00:51:45,880
Speaker 8: America they're drinking a lot of beer too. But I

1122
00:51:45,880 --> 00:51:49,680
Speaker 8: think the Germans it's kind of their favorite pastime, right,

1123
00:51:49,760 --> 00:51:52,920
Speaker 8: it's kind of part of the culture. I mean the

1124
00:51:52,960 --> 00:51:56,640
Speaker 8: way that they sell their steins, the beer and one

1125
00:51:56,719 --> 00:52:01,319
Speaker 8: leader steins, which is like three beers. It's pretty hard

1126
00:52:01,320 --> 00:52:03,320
Speaker 8: to not drink a lot of beer when everybody in

1127
00:52:03,360 --> 00:52:05,840
Speaker 8: the crowd's got a pretzel the size of a hubcap.

1128
00:52:06,120 --> 00:52:09,279
Speaker 8: And a skin in of beer that's worth three for

1129
00:52:09,320 --> 00:52:12,400
Speaker 8: every time you go back and refill it. So it's

1130
00:52:12,440 --> 00:52:15,000
Speaker 8: a pretty cool experience. But like you said, it's just

1131
00:52:15,080 --> 00:52:17,640
Speaker 8: diehard football fans from all over Europe. And when you

1132
00:52:17,640 --> 00:52:19,640
Speaker 8: go to the Super Bowl sometimes it can be a

1133
00:52:19,640 --> 00:52:22,200
Speaker 8: little more subdued until the game is really tight or

1134
00:52:22,239 --> 00:52:23,080
Speaker 8: there's big moments.

1135
00:52:23,200 --> 00:52:24,040
Speaker 4: Yeah, because it's.

1136
00:52:23,960 --> 00:52:25,560
Speaker 8: A lot of It's an expensive ticket to go to

1137
00:52:25,600 --> 00:52:26,800
Speaker 8: the Super Bowl and so you get a lot of

1138
00:52:26,800 --> 00:52:30,319
Speaker 8: the corporate folks. But for this there's a lot of

1139
00:52:30,400 --> 00:52:32,960
Speaker 8: just die hard NFL fans that have never had a

1140
00:52:33,040 --> 00:52:34,760
Speaker 8: chance to see a game and this is the closest

1141
00:52:34,800 --> 00:52:38,520
Speaker 8: they can be, and so they're cheering from start to finish.

1142
00:52:38,560 --> 00:52:42,000
Speaker 2: Well, I have to imagine too, for you, going back

1143
00:52:42,280 --> 00:52:44,640
Speaker 2: to a place that you made your home for the

1144
00:52:44,680 --> 00:52:48,200
Speaker 2: better part of this year had to be awesome. And

1145
00:52:48,239 --> 00:52:49,879
Speaker 2: I know it's I think it's your second time back,

1146
00:52:49,920 --> 00:52:52,200
Speaker 2: but is it wild and now you just know Munich

1147
00:52:52,280 --> 00:52:54,080
Speaker 2: so well it's like a second home.

1148
00:52:54,960 --> 00:52:58,080
Speaker 8: Yeah, it's really cool, especially because I reflect back on

1149
00:52:58,160 --> 00:53:00,600
Speaker 8: a couple of years ago being out there my very

1150
00:53:00,600 --> 00:53:01,440
Speaker 8: first time in Germany.

1151
00:53:01,520 --> 00:53:03,080
Speaker 3: You and I we talked about going back.

1152
00:53:02,920 --> 00:53:05,839
Speaker 8: To the Motherland and the experience that you had when

1153
00:53:05,840 --> 00:53:08,319
Speaker 8: you went back home and for the first time.

1154
00:53:08,360 --> 00:53:10,920
Speaker 3: I shouldn't say back.

1155
00:53:10,680 --> 00:53:12,640
Speaker 8: Home, but that's what it is because that's where our

1156
00:53:12,719 --> 00:53:16,240
Speaker 8: roots are and that's an experience in and of itself.

1157
00:53:16,239 --> 00:53:19,280
Speaker 8: But then to be able to kind of enjoy football,

1158
00:53:19,320 --> 00:53:22,080
Speaker 8: which has been my identity forever. And then just to

1159
00:53:22,120 --> 00:53:25,239
Speaker 8: see how the people, the Germans, they really have just

1160
00:53:25,560 --> 00:53:28,000
Speaker 8: fallen in love with the game of football and NFL.

1161
00:53:28,080 --> 00:53:30,600
Speaker 8: And then for me being able to be the tour

1162
00:53:30,680 --> 00:53:33,520
Speaker 8: guide for some of my NFL friends that were out there,

1163
00:53:33,800 --> 00:53:35,360
Speaker 8: that's really fun. That's one of the things that I

1164
00:53:35,480 --> 00:53:36,759
Speaker 8: love to do, you know. I like to be the

1165
00:53:36,800 --> 00:53:40,600
Speaker 8: guy that gets people together and that the facilitates the

1166
00:53:40,640 --> 00:53:42,160
Speaker 8: party and shows people.

1167
00:53:41,960 --> 00:53:42,439
Speaker 3: A good time.

1168
00:53:42,520 --> 00:53:44,560
Speaker 8: So it was right up my alley being able to

1169
00:53:44,600 --> 00:53:48,320
Speaker 8: show people all my favorite restaurants and bakeries and favorite

1170
00:53:48,320 --> 00:53:50,800
Speaker 8: places to go and things to do when you're in Munich.

1171
00:53:51,560 --> 00:53:53,080
Speaker 8: And it's not hard when you're in a great city

1172
00:53:53,120 --> 00:53:53,840
Speaker 8: like Munich.

1173
00:53:54,960 --> 00:53:57,080
Speaker 2: No, it certainly isn't. You also did some work on

1174
00:53:57,160 --> 00:53:59,640
Speaker 2: Eyes and Show You met my buddy TJ now Eyes

1175
00:53:59,680 --> 00:54:01,200
Speaker 2: and on the broadcast. I know if you heard this,

1176
00:54:01,280 --> 00:54:04,200
Speaker 2: but he made it out to a few of the

1177
00:54:04,360 --> 00:54:07,120
Speaker 2: local beer gardens and court wars, Like how do you

1178
00:54:07,160 --> 00:54:08,840
Speaker 2: know about that? He's like, listen, I I can go

1179
00:54:08,840 --> 00:54:10,799
Speaker 2: out here and have a few beers. We gotta do it.

1180
00:54:10,880 --> 00:54:12,439
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, it's cool.

1181
00:54:12,440 --> 00:54:13,799
Speaker 8: And I think that's one of the things that you

1182
00:54:13,880 --> 00:54:17,879
Speaker 8: notice from the NFL people's side, you know, even the

1183
00:54:17,920 --> 00:54:20,080
Speaker 8: top level executives. I got a chance to sit next

1184
00:54:20,120 --> 00:54:24,560
Speaker 8: to some of the top executives from NFL that one

1185
00:54:24,600 --> 00:54:27,560
Speaker 8: of the guys, Brett Gosper, he was the guy that

1186
00:54:27,719 --> 00:54:29,880
Speaker 8: kind of got flight football and the Olympics and he

1187
00:54:30,000 --> 00:54:32,960
Speaker 8: kind of chooses a lot of different international locations and

1188
00:54:33,560 --> 00:54:35,160
Speaker 8: get a chance to sit next to him and chat

1189
00:54:35,160 --> 00:54:35,400
Speaker 8: with him.

1190
00:54:35,400 --> 00:54:36,319
Speaker 3: And I think for.

1191
00:54:36,320 --> 00:54:38,880
Speaker 8: Those people this feels like a vacation because typically they

1192
00:54:38,920 --> 00:54:41,040
Speaker 8: go anywhere, especially you know, Kurt and Rich and stuff.

1193
00:54:41,160 --> 00:54:43,000
Speaker 8: They can't go out in public, right, they just get mobbed.

1194
00:54:43,040 --> 00:54:46,160
Speaker 8: It's just too much. It would be way too much attention.

1195
00:54:46,320 --> 00:54:51,320
Speaker 8: But for for these folks, apparently the NFL over in Germany,

1196
00:54:51,320 --> 00:54:55,000
Speaker 8: they love these guys. But I don't know if they understand, like, hey,

1197
00:54:55,000 --> 00:54:57,120
Speaker 8: you can go up and like get their autograph and

1198
00:54:57,160 --> 00:54:59,600
Speaker 8: picture it, and they definitely keep their distance a little

1199
00:54:59,600 --> 00:55:02,120
Speaker 8: bit and maybe they don't quite exactly recognize them. They'd

1200
00:55:02,120 --> 00:55:05,680
Speaker 8: recognize them in the booth, but it gives them a

1201
00:55:05,800 --> 00:55:08,880
Speaker 8: very relaxed feeling like they're on vacation, like they're in

1202
00:55:08,920 --> 00:55:09,640
Speaker 8: a different country.

1203
00:55:09,680 --> 00:55:09,839
Speaker 6: Right.

1204
00:55:09,880 --> 00:55:11,680
Speaker 3: There's a reason a lot of the celebrities in the

1205
00:55:11,719 --> 00:55:13,279
Speaker 3: States they go and live over there, right.

1206
00:55:13,239 --> 00:55:15,120
Speaker 8: Because they're not getting hassled as much and they can

1207
00:55:15,160 --> 00:55:16,960
Speaker 8: kind of be a normal person. And so you go

1208
00:55:17,000 --> 00:55:18,960
Speaker 8: to the Hopera house, like right when you walk in

1209
00:55:19,000 --> 00:55:21,640
Speaker 8: the door, on the right side is the whole Eisen crew.

1210
00:55:21,800 --> 00:55:24,759
Speaker 8: Kurt Warner. I'm sitting there talking to TJ and Rich

1211
00:55:24,800 --> 00:55:27,200
Speaker 8: Eisen standing there, and there's several of the NFL people

1212
00:55:27,239 --> 00:55:29,160
Speaker 8: that like that would just not be able to be

1213
00:55:29,200 --> 00:55:31,040
Speaker 8: possible if you did that in the States because it

1214
00:55:31,080 --> 00:55:33,160
Speaker 8: would just be a mob of people. But here they

1215
00:55:33,200 --> 00:55:36,160
Speaker 8: are sitting there drinking a boot and chit chatting about

1216
00:55:36,239 --> 00:55:38,440
Speaker 8: the NFL and occasionally a fan would come up and stuff.

1217
00:55:38,440 --> 00:55:39,680
Speaker 3: But they were always very respectful.

1218
00:55:39,719 --> 00:55:41,880
Speaker 8: So it was just cool seeing everybody kind of let

1219
00:55:41,920 --> 00:55:43,520
Speaker 8: their hair down from the NFL side.

1220
00:55:44,440 --> 00:55:45,240
Speaker 2: That is awesome.

1221
00:55:45,280 --> 00:55:45,520
Speaker 4: All right.

1222
00:55:45,560 --> 00:55:48,319
Speaker 2: We turn our attention now back to the Browns. We've

1223
00:55:48,320 --> 00:55:50,920
Speaker 2: talked already. We know about where this season stands. But

1224
00:55:51,320 --> 00:55:53,560
Speaker 2: I have to ask you, as somebody who has gotten

1225
00:55:53,600 --> 00:55:56,080
Speaker 2: to know you for well over a decade now and

1226
00:55:56,600 --> 00:55:59,640
Speaker 2: been able to, you know, see the way that you

1227
00:55:59,680 --> 00:56:03,000
Speaker 2: went out your business and things that people know about

1228
00:56:03,000 --> 00:56:04,680
Speaker 2: and some things I think you maybe have shared after

1229
00:56:04,680 --> 00:56:07,120
Speaker 2: you've retired. But in terms of what you were willing

1230
00:56:07,160 --> 00:56:11,640
Speaker 2: to play through, to play for your team, to hear

1231
00:56:12,440 --> 00:56:14,960
Speaker 2: what Jed Wills said yesterday, just I'll leave it to

1232
00:56:14,960 --> 00:56:17,520
Speaker 2: as open ended as possible. What was your reaction to

1233
00:56:17,640 --> 00:56:19,960
Speaker 2: those comments being made publicly?

1234
00:56:20,960 --> 00:56:24,160
Speaker 8: Well, the first thing I saw was the printed quotes,

1235
00:56:24,719 --> 00:56:27,080
Speaker 8: and you know, whenever you see something like that, you

1236
00:56:27,120 --> 00:56:30,239
Speaker 8: see like a clip, You're like, Okay, I need to

1237
00:56:30,280 --> 00:56:33,080
Speaker 8: make sure before I get too excited about this, Like

1238
00:56:33,560 --> 00:56:34,400
Speaker 8: what was the context?

1239
00:56:34,400 --> 00:56:35,200
Speaker 3: What was he talking about?

1240
00:56:35,200 --> 00:56:38,320
Speaker 8: So I went and found the video of him talking

1241
00:56:38,520 --> 00:56:41,719
Speaker 8: to the media, and it didn't make it much better.

1242
00:56:42,400 --> 00:56:43,680
Speaker 3: In spite of what I had hoped.

1243
00:56:43,960 --> 00:56:46,719
Speaker 8: And so I'll first start with sort of if I

1244
00:56:46,840 --> 00:56:50,239
Speaker 8: was him or maybe one of his teammates, and I

1245
00:56:50,360 --> 00:56:52,239
Speaker 8: was standing there and they were asking me about it.

1246
00:56:52,200 --> 00:56:52,640
Speaker 3: The next day.

1247
00:56:52,680 --> 00:56:54,960
Speaker 8: You don't in the locker room, right, So trying to

1248
00:56:55,000 --> 00:56:57,520
Speaker 8: find a way to defend him and I think the

1249
00:56:57,560 --> 00:56:59,799
Speaker 8: best thing I could say on their behalf if I

1250
00:56:59,840 --> 00:57:02,200
Speaker 8: was in and there, is that maybe he didn't understand

1251
00:57:02,520 --> 00:57:07,160
Speaker 8: what he was trying to say, and that it was

1252
00:57:07,280 --> 00:57:11,680
Speaker 8: really just a Freudian slip, like what he said about

1253
00:57:12,080 --> 00:57:16,480
Speaker 8: making a business decision and then he wouldn't play through injuries.

1254
00:57:16,800 --> 00:57:20,920
Speaker 8: I don't think he understands the gravity of an NFL

1255
00:57:21,000 --> 00:57:23,320
Speaker 8: lineman like saying those things in the locker room in

1256
00:57:23,360 --> 00:57:26,000
Speaker 8: front of his teammates. And now maybe pivot a little

1257
00:57:26,000 --> 00:57:28,840
Speaker 8: bit and kind of put my own hat back on.

1258
00:57:28,960 --> 00:57:31,160
Speaker 8: And one of the things that I prided myself the

1259
00:57:31,200 --> 00:57:33,840
Speaker 8: most throughout my career was just being there for my teammates,

1260
00:57:33,880 --> 00:57:36,640
Speaker 8: even when the playoffs wasn't on the line, and even

1261
00:57:36,680 --> 00:57:38,960
Speaker 8: when you know, going out there at less than one

1262
00:57:39,000 --> 00:57:42,720
Speaker 8: hundred percent would maybe have me make a few more

1263
00:57:42,760 --> 00:57:47,080
Speaker 8: mistakes than I normally would. But it's hard to imagine

1264
00:57:47,080 --> 00:57:49,520
Speaker 8: that at this point in the season anybody is feeling

1265
00:57:49,560 --> 00:57:50,360
Speaker 8: one hundred percent.

1266
00:57:50,680 --> 00:57:52,960
Speaker 3: It's the NFL. Everybody's hurt.

1267
00:57:53,240 --> 00:57:55,600
Speaker 8: That's part of being an NFL player, learning how to

1268
00:57:55,680 --> 00:57:58,920
Speaker 8: play with pain, play through the pain, and be at

1269
00:57:58,920 --> 00:58:01,920
Speaker 8: your best. I mean, if this team ever goes on

1270
00:58:02,000 --> 00:58:07,120
Speaker 8: an NFL Super Bowl run, and Jed is potentially wherever

1271
00:58:07,160 --> 00:58:10,360
Speaker 8: he's going to be this place or somewhere else, plays

1272
00:58:10,360 --> 00:58:12,160
Speaker 8: in the super Bowl. That's a lot of games you're

1273
00:58:12,200 --> 00:58:15,000
Speaker 8: going to be really beat up. And if you're not

1274
00:58:15,400 --> 00:58:17,960
Speaker 8: willing or able to be able to go out and

1275
00:58:18,280 --> 00:58:21,439
Speaker 8: block that pain out and play good football, not only

1276
00:58:21,440 --> 00:58:24,400
Speaker 8: for yourself but for your teammates, then I'm not sure

1277
00:58:24,920 --> 00:58:28,600
Speaker 8: how you can ever be an effective lineman for anybody

1278
00:58:28,760 --> 00:58:31,040
Speaker 8: in this league, because that's just the way it is.

1279
00:58:31,080 --> 00:58:35,000
Speaker 8: Like everybody is hurt, and in order to be a

1280
00:58:35,000 --> 00:58:38,320
Speaker 8: great player, you always have to put your teammates first.

1281
00:58:38,480 --> 00:58:41,880
Speaker 8: And as alignman, all we can do is block the

1282
00:58:41,880 --> 00:58:44,200
Speaker 8: people in front of us and set the table for

1283
00:58:44,240 --> 00:58:46,320
Speaker 8: the quarterbacks, for the receivers and the running backs to

1284
00:58:46,320 --> 00:58:49,040
Speaker 8: be able to do their job. And if I'm not

1285
00:58:49,120 --> 00:58:52,120
Speaker 8: doing that and the guy out there is doing a

1286
00:58:52,200 --> 00:58:54,240
Speaker 8: worse job than I am, then I feel like I'm

1287
00:58:54,320 --> 00:58:56,680
Speaker 8: letting those guys down. And that's why I always wanted

1288
00:58:56,720 --> 00:58:59,120
Speaker 8: to be out there, no matter what I felt like,

1289
00:58:59,200 --> 00:59:02,160
Speaker 8: no matter what the say situation was, because I wanted

1290
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Speaker 8: to be there for those teammates so that they could

1291
00:59:04,800 --> 00:59:07,840
Speaker 8: do their job. Because I know Jed's in a contract year.

1292
00:59:08,320 --> 00:59:10,720
Speaker 8: But there's a lot of other people that are maybe

1293
00:59:10,800 --> 00:59:12,800
Speaker 8: this could be the last few games of their career,

1294
00:59:13,280 --> 00:59:14,840
Speaker 8: and you've got to go out and do it for

1295
00:59:14,920 --> 00:59:18,480
Speaker 8: them because this could be their last opportunity as well.

1296
00:59:18,520 --> 00:59:21,360
Speaker 8: And so the idea of making a business decision and

1297
00:59:21,520 --> 00:59:24,600
Speaker 8: deciding that you're not healthy enough to play that didn't

1298
00:59:24,600 --> 00:59:28,440
Speaker 8: sit very well with me, obviously, and I think as

1299
00:59:28,480 --> 00:59:30,720
Speaker 8: an NFL player, you got to understand that you have

1300
00:59:30,840 --> 00:59:32,640
Speaker 8: just got to find a way to play like it's

1301
00:59:32,840 --> 00:59:35,800
Speaker 8: it's part of being alignment. It's not like if I'm

1302
00:59:35,800 --> 00:59:39,160
Speaker 8: a receiver and my hamstrings at seventy percent, I physically

1303
00:59:39,200 --> 00:59:41,560
Speaker 8: can't get open because I can't run fast enough, I

1304
00:59:41,560 --> 00:59:44,080
Speaker 8: can't cut fast enough to get separation from my quarterback,

1305
00:59:44,400 --> 00:59:45,880
Speaker 8: or if I'm a running back and I can't hit

1306
00:59:45,880 --> 00:59:48,960
Speaker 8: that last year like, I'm not effective. But as alignman,

1307
00:59:49,880 --> 00:59:53,080
Speaker 8: where you're effective is with your brain, with your technique.

1308
00:59:53,120 --> 00:59:55,720
Speaker 8: And that's why you see guys playing so long, because

1309
00:59:56,040 --> 00:59:58,200
Speaker 8: when you master the technique and you're able to block

1310
00:59:58,240 --> 01:00:01,520
Speaker 8: out everything else, you're able to still do your job

1311
01:00:01,560 --> 01:00:03,400
Speaker 8: even though you're not feeling healthy. And that's why I

1312
01:00:03,440 --> 01:00:05,840
Speaker 8: was able to go out and play a bunch of snaps,

1313
01:00:05,840 --> 01:00:08,320
Speaker 8: even when I had torn ligaments in my knee and

1314
01:00:08,400 --> 01:00:11,040
Speaker 8: back spasms and all those other things. Is because in

1315
01:00:11,080 --> 01:00:13,800
Speaker 8: the end, it's about your decision making and your technique,

1316
01:00:14,120 --> 01:00:16,960
Speaker 8: Like it doesn't really matter if you're not as quick

1317
01:00:17,040 --> 01:00:19,640
Speaker 8: or as fast as you once were, Like your mind

1318
01:00:19,720 --> 01:00:21,840
Speaker 8: is what's the most important thing. And I think it

1319
01:00:21,880 --> 01:00:25,120
Speaker 8: was pretty clear hearing those things that the mistakes that

1320
01:00:25,160 --> 01:00:29,040
Speaker 8: we've seen throughout his career, lack of focus, lack of

1321
01:00:29,120 --> 01:00:33,680
Speaker 8: understanding how he fits, lack of communication. It shows up

1322
01:00:33,720 --> 01:00:36,560
Speaker 8: when he says that he doesn't feel like he's healthy

1323
01:00:36,680 --> 01:00:39,200
Speaker 8: enough to be able to go out there and play

1324
01:00:39,240 --> 01:00:42,520
Speaker 8: and block that out and still get his job done.

1325
01:00:44,760 --> 01:00:48,640
Speaker 2: Right, And it just I guess my question was you

1326
01:00:49,040 --> 01:00:51,560
Speaker 2: I knew what your mentality was going to be towards that.

1327
01:00:51,680 --> 01:00:54,480
Speaker 2: I think you you literally lived it, so it wouldn't

1328
01:00:54,480 --> 01:00:56,360
Speaker 2: be hard for anybody to figure out, you know, where

1329
01:00:56,480 --> 01:00:59,080
Speaker 2: your mind would be. But that feels like one of

1330
01:00:59,080 --> 01:01:03,560
Speaker 2: those comments that does that lead to uncomfortable conversations in

1331
01:01:03,600 --> 01:01:06,120
Speaker 2: the locker room? Does that you know, for example, if

1332
01:01:06,080 --> 01:01:08,600
Speaker 2: I think so, a young player said that while you

1333
01:01:08,680 --> 01:01:10,800
Speaker 2: were on the football team, you know, we know what

1334
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Speaker 2: Joel plays through. You know all that and has for

1335
01:01:14,080 --> 01:01:17,480
Speaker 2: years as well, Like, do you think that leads to

1336
01:01:17,800 --> 01:01:18,760
Speaker 2: a tough conversation.

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Speaker 3: I would think so.

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Speaker 8: And you wonder if at this point the writing's already

1339
01:01:25,040 --> 01:01:27,840
Speaker 8: on the wall for his time in Cleveland, and maybe

1340
01:01:27,840 --> 01:01:29,440
Speaker 8: some of the teammates are like, it's not worth our

1341
01:01:29,480 --> 01:01:34,080
Speaker 8: time because you know, he's already been benched, Dowan's been

1342
01:01:34,080 --> 01:01:36,600
Speaker 8: playing well. I don't know if he sees the field

1343
01:01:36,600 --> 01:01:39,600
Speaker 8: anymore this season. Like I don't know from from a

1344
01:01:39,600 --> 01:01:42,640
Speaker 8: locker room standpoint, if they're thinking that it's worth their

1345
01:01:43,000 --> 01:01:46,880
Speaker 8: energy and time to like even have that conversation. But certainly,

1346
01:01:47,320 --> 01:01:50,640
Speaker 8: let's just say this was, you know, player X, you

1347
01:01:50,640 --> 01:01:53,080
Speaker 8: would have to have that conversation because to be a

1348
01:01:53,120 --> 01:01:55,720
Speaker 8: great teammate, it means you're putting your teammates before yourself.

1349
01:01:56,200 --> 01:01:59,080
Speaker 8: And when you say you're making a big business decision

1350
01:01:59,240 --> 01:02:00,800
Speaker 8: and you're not gonna go out and play less than

1351
01:02:00,840 --> 01:02:04,560
Speaker 8: one hundred percent, you're telling all the teammates that my

1352
01:02:04,720 --> 01:02:08,600
Speaker 8: own pocketbook is more important than whatever else that you

1353
01:02:08,640 --> 01:02:11,240
Speaker 8: guys have going on that you have going on. And

1354
01:02:11,280 --> 01:02:13,400
Speaker 8: I would just look at Joel but Tonio and I'd say,

1355
01:02:13,400 --> 01:02:16,160
Speaker 8: you think Joel feels like he's one hundred percent, Like dude,

1356
01:02:17,040 --> 01:02:19,600
Speaker 8: like he's still going out and doing it. And that's

1357
01:02:19,680 --> 01:02:22,000
Speaker 8: why as a lineman, you get paid the way we

1358
01:02:22,040 --> 01:02:25,280
Speaker 8: get paid. That's why it's hard to find great linemen

1359
01:02:25,320 --> 01:02:27,440
Speaker 8: because to do the stuff that we got to do,

1360
01:02:27,480 --> 01:02:28,720
Speaker 8: you got to do it when you're injured.

1361
01:02:29,400 --> 01:02:33,480
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, And on so many levels, I thought the

1362
01:02:33,520 --> 01:02:36,640
Speaker 2: comment was baffling. And whoever was advising him to say that,

1363
01:02:36,760 --> 01:02:38,960
Speaker 2: I just you're in last year of your deal too.

1364
01:02:39,160 --> 01:02:41,760
Speaker 2: I mean that's a that that is a comment that

1365
01:02:41,800 --> 01:02:43,800
Speaker 2: I would imagine is going to be a part of

1366
01:02:43,800 --> 01:02:47,600
Speaker 2: his free agency process and that oh yeah, I mean

1367
01:02:47,600 --> 01:02:48,720
Speaker 2: it's not gonna be helpful to it.

1368
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Speaker 8: I don't know if anybody's ever uttered the words that

1369
01:02:51,160 --> 01:02:54,680
Speaker 8: made a business decision and it came out smelling like roses,

1370
01:02:54,680 --> 01:02:56,680
Speaker 8: because it just doesn't make sense. Like that's why I

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01:02:56,680 --> 01:02:59,880
Speaker 8: said at the beginning, like in he have possibly understood

1372
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Speaker 8: what he said when he said that, because even if

1373
01:03:02,160 --> 01:03:04,160
Speaker 8: that's what you were doing, if you were saying, eh,

1374
01:03:04,280 --> 01:03:07,600
Speaker 8: I don't want this to hurt this knee to like

1375
01:03:07,720 --> 01:03:09,520
Speaker 8: linger during the season. I want to get healthy going

1376
01:03:09,520 --> 01:03:11,840
Speaker 8: into free agency or whatever, like you still wouldn't say

1377
01:03:12,000 --> 01:03:14,959
Speaker 8: I made a business decision. You'd say, ah, I didn't

1378
01:03:14,960 --> 01:03:16,480
Speaker 8: feel like I was healthy enough to go out there

1379
01:03:16,520 --> 01:03:16,960
Speaker 8: and help.

1380
01:03:16,840 --> 01:03:17,880
Speaker 2: My team and help it.

1381
01:03:18,080 --> 01:03:20,640
Speaker 8: But right, yeah, like you always have to put the

1382
01:03:20,680 --> 01:03:22,800
Speaker 8: team first. But then he followed it up with like,

1383
01:03:22,800 --> 01:03:24,200
Speaker 8: I would never go out and play less than a

1384
01:03:24,280 --> 01:03:26,440
Speaker 8: hundred percent, no matter what it was like, So if

1385
01:03:26,480 --> 01:03:28,120
Speaker 8: you're a ninety five percent and your team's in the

1386
01:03:28,120 --> 01:03:30,960
Speaker 8: super Bowl, you're gonna sit out. Like I think, you

1387
01:03:31,040 --> 01:03:32,960
Speaker 8: have to treat every game like it is your super Bowl.

1388
01:03:33,000 --> 01:03:35,520
Speaker 8: And that's why the NFL is hard. It's not easy. Yeah,

1389
01:03:35,560 --> 01:03:38,200
Speaker 8: and sometimes it's not fun to be in alignment because you're

1390
01:03:38,200 --> 01:03:39,840
Speaker 8: not gonna feel great and you're gonna have to go

1391
01:03:39,880 --> 01:03:42,120
Speaker 8: out and sometimes you know what playoffs are not on

1392
01:03:42,160 --> 01:03:42,959
Speaker 8: the line.

1393
01:03:42,720 --> 01:03:43,800
Speaker 3: It's not the super Bowl.

1394
01:03:43,960 --> 01:03:45,680
Speaker 8: But you've got to do the things the same way

1395
01:03:45,880 --> 01:03:48,520
Speaker 8: every single time you step on that field. Otherwise you

1396
01:03:48,560 --> 01:03:50,479
Speaker 8: are going to have a hard time focusing on your job,

1397
01:03:50,800 --> 01:03:53,360
Speaker 8: getting completing my task, blocking the guy across from me.

1398
01:03:53,400 --> 01:03:55,240
Speaker 8: If you're thinking about all this other stuff.

1399
01:03:57,040 --> 01:03:59,800
Speaker 2: Right and well, hopefully and kind of to bring this

1400
01:04:00,040 --> 01:04:02,360
Speaker 2: full circle to talk about kind of real world practicality

1401
01:04:02,400 --> 01:04:05,880
Speaker 2: and practical application of what you're talking about. The Browns

1402
01:04:05,880 --> 01:04:07,800
Speaker 2: had the buy, but now they're gonna play two games

1403
01:04:07,840 --> 01:04:09,320
Speaker 2: in four days. You go down to New Orleans on

1404
01:04:09,360 --> 01:04:11,400
Speaker 2: a Sunday and then you come back to following Thursday

1405
01:04:11,920 --> 01:04:16,160
Speaker 2: and you take on the Pittsburgh Steelers here. So when

1406
01:04:16,200 --> 01:04:18,200
Speaker 2: you knew you had a stretch like that, I think

1407
01:04:18,280 --> 01:04:20,640
Speaker 2: it's very likely that most people will not be one

1408
01:04:20,720 --> 01:04:23,440
Speaker 2: hundred percent for that Thursday night or against the Pittsburgh Steelers.

1409
01:04:23,680 --> 01:04:26,080
Speaker 2: How did you prepare for that? What was kind of

1410
01:04:26,120 --> 01:04:29,280
Speaker 2: what would what was your approach to those situations?

1411
01:04:30,040 --> 01:04:31,520
Speaker 8: So when you go and you turn around and you

1412
01:04:31,560 --> 01:04:34,280
Speaker 8: play a Thursday game or you play a game on

1413
01:04:34,320 --> 01:04:36,680
Speaker 8: a short week, it becomes one hundred percent about how

1414
01:04:36,680 --> 01:04:39,280
Speaker 8: can I recover as fast as I possibly could? And

1415
01:04:39,400 --> 01:04:41,280
Speaker 8: some of the modalities that I used to do that

1416
01:04:41,520 --> 01:04:44,520
Speaker 8: helped were get in the cryo chamber, right, like try

1417
01:04:44,520 --> 01:04:46,120
Speaker 8: to speed up healing as much as you can, like

1418
01:04:46,120 --> 01:04:49,360
Speaker 8: your nutrition in your sleep obviously that's paramount, but trying

1419
01:04:49,360 --> 01:04:52,680
Speaker 8: to get into ice tub, getting a massage therapist to

1420
01:04:52,680 --> 01:04:56,160
Speaker 8: help work out any of that soreness, those knots. It's

1421
01:04:56,320 --> 01:04:59,520
Speaker 8: sometimes hard to be back to full speed, like with

1422
01:04:59,640 --> 01:05:02,200
Speaker 8: practice and running and things like that, because you're just

1423
01:05:02,360 --> 01:05:05,040
Speaker 8: banged up, but you can find other ways to get

1424
01:05:05,040 --> 01:05:08,760
Speaker 8: blood flow and to maintain the level of cardio that

1425
01:05:08,880 --> 01:05:12,320
Speaker 8: you need by I know, the Browns they have a

1426
01:05:12,360 --> 01:05:14,439
Speaker 8: bike and they've got like a stair climber and they've

1427
01:05:14,440 --> 01:05:17,280
Speaker 8: got a couple other cardio things inside of an altitude chamber.

1428
01:05:17,360 --> 01:05:20,320
Speaker 8: So doing something like that, so you could still get

1429
01:05:20,320 --> 01:05:23,400
Speaker 8: those lungs working, but you're not working your body quite

1430
01:05:23,440 --> 01:05:25,560
Speaker 8: as much, but just doing everything you could to get

1431
01:05:25,560 --> 01:05:28,400
Speaker 8: the blood flowing to get recovered as quick as possible.

1432
01:05:28,400 --> 01:05:30,680
Speaker 8: But then also you have to remember too, like there's

1433
01:05:30,760 --> 01:05:32,880
Speaker 8: the mental side of it, Like you're compressing a week

1434
01:05:32,920 --> 01:05:36,360
Speaker 8: of preparation into just a few days. So you're watching

1435
01:05:36,400 --> 01:05:38,200
Speaker 8: a little bit extra film and so you're trying to

1436
01:05:38,240 --> 01:05:41,439
Speaker 8: double dip, right, you're taking your iPad into the cold tub,

1437
01:05:42,320 --> 01:05:45,360
Speaker 8: you know, you're taking your notes that you're making, and

1438
01:05:45,400 --> 01:05:47,360
Speaker 8: you're sitting on the bike when you're doing that. So

1439
01:05:47,360 --> 01:05:49,680
Speaker 8: you're trying to do two things at once because you

1440
01:05:49,800 --> 01:05:51,680
Speaker 8: just don't have the time you normally would in a

1441
01:05:51,680 --> 01:05:52,280
Speaker 8: regular week.

1442
01:05:53,880 --> 01:05:56,200
Speaker 2: All right, have eight games to go for the Browns.

1443
01:05:56,240 --> 01:05:58,160
Speaker 2: What are a couple of things that you really hope

1444
01:05:58,160 --> 01:05:59,960
Speaker 2: to see over these final eight games?

1445
01:06:00,040 --> 01:06:04,040
Speaker 8: Yeah, well, I'd like to see them get back to

1446
01:06:04,200 --> 01:06:07,640
Speaker 8: running the football more effectively. And I'm hoping that with

1447
01:06:07,680 --> 01:06:10,120
Speaker 8: some of the linemen coming back and getting healthy and

1448
01:06:10,400 --> 01:06:12,800
Speaker 8: Nick Chubb maybe knocking off some of the rust and

1449
01:06:12,880 --> 01:06:16,120
Speaker 8: starting to get that knee feeling back to normal, They'll

1450
01:06:16,160 --> 01:06:18,560
Speaker 8: be able to be a little bit more effective running

1451
01:06:18,600 --> 01:06:22,080
Speaker 8: the ball. I think that would be huge, and I

1452
01:06:22,080 --> 01:06:24,360
Speaker 8: think that would really help the young receivers, right. I

1453
01:06:24,360 --> 01:06:26,240
Speaker 8: think at some point it would be nice to see

1454
01:06:26,320 --> 01:06:29,640
Speaker 8: DTR give him some game reps, give him some experience.

1455
01:06:29,240 --> 01:06:30,320
Speaker 3: Figure out what you got there.

1456
01:06:30,640 --> 01:06:34,320
Speaker 8: Doesn't sound like it'll be this week, but maybe Kevin

1457
01:06:34,360 --> 01:06:36,880
Speaker 8: Stefanski and company are kind of trying to figure out,

1458
01:06:36,920 --> 01:06:39,360
Speaker 8: all right, let's ease him into it. Let's start to

1459
01:06:39,360 --> 01:06:41,200
Speaker 8: give him more reps in practice so that you're not

1460
01:06:41,280 --> 01:06:43,800
Speaker 8: just throwing them in there right away. So it'll be

1461
01:06:43,840 --> 01:06:46,040
Speaker 8: interesting to see what they do there, because I guarantee

1462
01:06:46,080 --> 01:06:48,960
Speaker 8: they want to see DTR a little bit at quarterback

1463
01:06:49,000 --> 01:06:51,400
Speaker 8: to kind of figure out can he be somebody that's

1464
01:06:51,440 --> 01:06:54,240
Speaker 8: part of the plan going down the line. But I'd

1465
01:06:54,280 --> 01:06:57,240
Speaker 8: also love to continue to see the development of Cedric Tillman.

1466
01:06:57,400 --> 01:06:58,720
Speaker 8: You know, I think he's done a great job with

1467
01:06:58,720 --> 01:07:01,520
Speaker 8: the opportunity that he he's had since they traded away

1468
01:07:01,880 --> 01:07:06,160
Speaker 8: Amari Cooper, and I'd love to see him become that

1469
01:07:06,200 --> 01:07:08,480
Speaker 8: guy that we fought that he could be when we

1470
01:07:08,560 --> 01:07:10,800
Speaker 8: drafted him, but he just didn't have those opportunities. So

1471
01:07:10,840 --> 01:07:13,080
Speaker 8: I think offensively, that's what you'd love to see. And

1472
01:07:13,120 --> 01:07:16,240
Speaker 8: on defense, you know, I want him to communicate better

1473
01:07:16,320 --> 01:07:19,240
Speaker 8: in the secondary, like, let's figure out what the issues

1474
01:07:19,240 --> 01:07:21,640
Speaker 8: were at the beginning of the season and throughout this

1475
01:07:21,720 --> 01:07:24,640
Speaker 8: first part of the season, and let's shore that up,

1476
01:07:24,720 --> 01:07:27,280
Speaker 8: because this is too talented of a secondary to leave

1477
01:07:27,320 --> 01:07:30,680
Speaker 8: guys wide open. So I think if you're able to

1478
01:07:31,040 --> 01:07:33,280
Speaker 8: kind of tighten up some of those things where you

1479
01:07:33,320 --> 01:07:36,440
Speaker 8: feel good about the different units going into next season,

1480
01:07:36,760 --> 01:07:39,680
Speaker 8: I think that's really the biggest thing that you want

1481
01:07:39,720 --> 01:07:44,040
Speaker 8: to accomplish here the last half of the season, all.

1482
01:07:43,960 --> 01:07:45,880
Speaker 2: Right, half, let's talk AFC North quickly.

1483
01:07:45,960 --> 01:07:46,200
Speaker 4: Here.

1484
01:07:46,680 --> 01:07:49,720
Speaker 2: Bengals lose a wild one to the Ravens. They've lost

1485
01:07:49,760 --> 01:07:52,200
Speaker 2: a wild one if you think about it, to the Chiefs.

1486
01:07:52,240 --> 01:07:54,400
Speaker 2: They've lost a wild one to the Commanders. They lose

1487
01:07:54,440 --> 01:07:56,840
Speaker 2: this one to the Ravens. They're not out of it

1488
01:07:57,080 --> 01:08:00,480
Speaker 2: at four and six, but they still have they got

1489
01:08:00,480 --> 01:08:02,000
Speaker 2: some more to do. When you kind of look at

1490
01:08:02,000 --> 01:08:04,520
Speaker 2: this division, Steelers right now seven and two, Ravens seven

1491
01:08:04,560 --> 01:08:07,960
Speaker 2: and three, Bengals four and six, Browns obviously two and seven,

1492
01:08:08,200 --> 01:08:09,680
Speaker 2: what do you make of this division? Do you still

1493
01:08:09,720 --> 01:08:12,760
Speaker 2: think it's passible for three teams to get into the postseason?

1494
01:08:14,440 --> 01:08:16,120
Speaker 8: Well, I think it's a two horse race. I don't

1495
01:08:16,160 --> 01:08:18,080
Speaker 8: really think the Bengals are going to get into the postseason.

1496
01:08:18,120 --> 01:08:21,680
Speaker 8: I know, with Joe Burrow and their offense it can

1497
01:08:21,720 --> 01:08:24,080
Speaker 8: kind of keep them in games, but their defense has

1498
01:08:24,120 --> 01:08:26,479
Speaker 8: just been so poor this season that I don't see

1499
01:08:26,520 --> 01:08:29,240
Speaker 8: how they can win enough down the stretch to really

1500
01:08:29,280 --> 01:08:31,840
Speaker 8: make any type of noise. And you saw it again

1501
01:08:32,160 --> 01:08:36,280
Speaker 8: against the Ravens, like Burrow is gonna be Burrow, but

1502
01:08:36,520 --> 01:08:37,920
Speaker 8: if you don't have a defense that can get a

1503
01:08:37,920 --> 01:08:41,960
Speaker 8: stop occasionally down the stretch, it's really tough to win

1504
01:08:42,280 --> 01:08:45,360
Speaker 8: against good teams in the NFL and the AFC probably

1505
01:08:45,360 --> 01:08:47,680
Speaker 8: not as strong as the NFC this season, but you

1506
01:08:47,720 --> 01:08:49,600
Speaker 8: know you're going to be playing against a lot of

1507
01:08:49,640 --> 01:08:53,160
Speaker 8: quality teams down the stretch, and if you're not able

1508
01:08:53,200 --> 01:08:55,920
Speaker 8: to stop somebody, it's only going to get worse. The

1509
01:08:55,920 --> 01:08:58,880
Speaker 8: bleeding gets worse because you get more injured going down

1510
01:08:58,880 --> 01:09:02,479
Speaker 8: the stretch, Teams realize what your problems are, and they

1511
01:09:02,560 --> 01:09:05,639
Speaker 8: just spam them. They just keep throwing at whatever your

1512
01:09:05,680 --> 01:09:09,040
Speaker 8: issues are. And they don't really have any answers at

1513
01:09:09,040 --> 01:09:12,040
Speaker 8: this point. And I think for the Bengals, like it's

1514
01:09:12,120 --> 01:09:14,000
Speaker 8: just gonna be one of those seasons they look back

1515
01:09:14,040 --> 01:09:17,479
Speaker 8: on and feel like they've let one slip, because it's

1516
01:09:17,520 --> 01:09:19,880
Speaker 8: one of those seasons in Joe Burrow's prime. You got

1517
01:09:20,240 --> 01:09:22,720
Speaker 8: Jamar Chase, you got t Higgins, You've got a lot

1518
01:09:22,720 --> 01:09:25,800
Speaker 8: of talent on that offense. But because the defense was

1519
01:09:25,880 --> 01:09:29,640
Speaker 8: just so bad, they were never able to really be contenders.

1520
01:09:30,800 --> 01:09:31,840
Speaker 2: How do the Steelers do it?

1521
01:09:31,960 --> 01:09:32,200
Speaker 3: Huff?

1522
01:09:32,720 --> 01:09:35,360
Speaker 2: I mean, they just they just know how to win.

1523
01:09:35,439 --> 01:09:38,720
Speaker 2: It's crazy. It's wild. Seven and two, seven and.

1524
01:09:38,720 --> 01:09:42,840
Speaker 8: Two, Yeah, I really I don't have a lot of

1525
01:09:42,840 --> 01:09:43,400
Speaker 8: great answers.

1526
01:09:43,439 --> 01:09:45,800
Speaker 3: I know that in my mind. When they signed.

1527
01:09:45,560 --> 01:09:48,680
Speaker 8: Russell Wilson, I was like crap, you know, because that

1528
01:09:48,760 --> 01:09:50,280
Speaker 8: was the big question mark for them was you know,

1529
01:09:50,320 --> 01:09:51,960
Speaker 8: who's gonna be their quarterback? And you knew they were

1530
01:09:51,960 --> 01:09:54,599
Speaker 8: gonna have a good defense, but could they score enough

1531
01:09:54,600 --> 01:09:58,280
Speaker 8: points to be relevant? And then turns out, well, they

1532
01:09:58,280 --> 01:10:00,360
Speaker 8: didn't even really need Russell Wilson to keep them elevant.

1533
01:10:00,360 --> 01:10:04,160
Speaker 8: And then now Russell comes back, and even though he

1534
01:10:04,240 --> 01:10:06,920
Speaker 8: got sort of run out of Denver, he's still a

1535
01:10:06,920 --> 01:10:09,559
Speaker 8: good quarterback. He can still make those great throws down

1536
01:10:09,560 --> 01:10:11,479
Speaker 8: the field when he needs to. He's really good in

1537
01:10:11,560 --> 01:10:15,960
Speaker 8: that play action scheme and he fits well with play defense.

1538
01:10:16,040 --> 01:10:18,240
Speaker 8: Run the ball and then take some shots down the field.

1539
01:10:18,280 --> 01:10:20,120
Speaker 8: That's still something he can be really good at and

1540
01:10:20,560 --> 01:10:21,360
Speaker 8: extending plays.

1541
01:10:21,360 --> 01:10:21,599
Speaker 3: Though.

1542
01:10:22,560 --> 01:10:25,120
Speaker 8: I think they're one of those teams where you scratch

1543
01:10:25,160 --> 01:10:28,000
Speaker 8: your head. But when you have great coaching consistently, and

1544
01:10:28,080 --> 01:10:30,400
Speaker 8: Tom's been there a long time, he's got the trust

1545
01:10:30,400 --> 01:10:33,200
Speaker 8: of those players. They believe in him. They don't make

1546
01:10:33,200 --> 01:10:36,680
Speaker 8: the little mistakes in situations that I'll take you to.

1547
01:10:36,720 --> 01:10:38,720
Speaker 8: When I was in Germany, I was really impressed with

1548
01:10:38,760 --> 01:10:40,880
Speaker 8: Carolina because you look at their roster. They don't have

1549
01:10:40,880 --> 01:10:44,519
Speaker 8: a lot of great players, but in critical situations, they're

1550
01:10:44,520 --> 01:10:48,040
Speaker 8: not making mistakes. And the Giants, did you know, I

1551
01:10:48,040 --> 01:10:50,679
Speaker 8: think three times in the red zone the Giants turned

1552
01:10:50,680 --> 01:10:52,560
Speaker 8: the ball over or kick missed.

1553
01:10:52,439 --> 01:10:53,080
Speaker 3: A field goal.

1554
01:10:53,080 --> 01:10:55,840
Speaker 8: And the Panthers in the last two games they played

1555
01:10:55,840 --> 01:10:58,000
Speaker 8: the Saints and then they played the Giants like they

1556
01:10:58,000 --> 01:11:01,599
Speaker 8: were kind of out gained, and really, if you look

1557
01:11:01,600 --> 01:11:03,240
Speaker 8: at the stats, you're like, how did they win that game?

1558
01:11:03,280 --> 01:11:05,360
Speaker 8: But they get to the red zone, they score touchdowns,

1559
01:11:05,439 --> 01:11:08,200
Speaker 8: they don't turn the ball over, like, they're very fundamentally

1560
01:11:08,280 --> 01:11:12,759
Speaker 8: solid in situations. And you know, that's what the Steelers

1561
01:11:12,760 --> 01:11:15,000
Speaker 8: have been for a long time, and that's what the

1562
01:11:15,000 --> 01:11:17,600
Speaker 8: Patriots were forever, right as good as great as Brady was, Like,

1563
01:11:17,640 --> 01:11:19,519
Speaker 8: they wouldn't have won all those games had they not

1564
01:11:19,680 --> 01:11:23,240
Speaker 8: been a really cohesive unit that didn't make mistakes in

1565
01:11:23,280 --> 01:11:25,160
Speaker 8: the red zone. They didn't turn the football over, they

1566
01:11:25,160 --> 01:11:27,760
Speaker 8: didn't give up big plays because the communication problems in

1567
01:11:27,800 --> 01:11:31,160
Speaker 8: the secondary. And that's what makes good football teams. And

1568
01:11:31,200 --> 01:11:33,160
Speaker 8: when you combine that with good talent, that's how you

1569
01:11:33,200 --> 01:11:35,040
Speaker 8: give yourself a chance to potentially go on a long

1570
01:11:35,080 --> 01:11:35,920
Speaker 8: run in the playoffs.

1571
01:11:38,240 --> 01:11:42,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's wild. Here we are eight games to go, Steelers,

1572
01:11:43,000 --> 01:11:47,000
Speaker 2: Ravens on top, Bengals struggling, Brown struggling. It's it certainly

1573
01:11:47,080 --> 01:11:49,439
Speaker 2: has been wild. Half can't wait to see you in

1574
01:11:49,600 --> 01:11:52,719
Speaker 2: about uh what was that about? Eight days? We'll welcome

1575
01:11:52,800 --> 01:11:54,800
Speaker 2: you back here. You see your other home. You've got

1576
01:11:54,800 --> 01:11:59,120
Speaker 2: homes everywhere now, Half Lands, you got home States, you

1577
01:11:59,200 --> 01:12:00,800
Speaker 2: got real homestate. You got it all.

1578
01:12:01,520 --> 01:12:04,760
Speaker 8: It's it's it's nice to be able to travel to

1579
01:12:04,840 --> 01:12:10,120
Speaker 8: several different places that are all awesome and enjoy friends, family, football,

1580
01:12:10,720 --> 01:12:14,400
Speaker 8: and some beer every now and then and vino when I'm.

1581
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Speaker 2: With the Great Z.

1582
01:12:15,080 --> 01:12:15,519
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01:12:15,720 --> 01:12:17,599
Speaker 2: That's right, baby. Yeah, I was gonna say, you better

1584
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Speaker 2: bring your your Veno drinking shoes with you. I'm sure

1585
01:12:20,200 --> 01:12:24,599
Speaker 2: you will, all right, the Great Hof everybody, thanks so much, brother,

1586
01:12:24,680 --> 01:12:25,320
Speaker 2: I'll talk to you soon.

1587
01:12:26,000 --> 01:12:27,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, thanks for having me on Z.

1588
01:12:28,080 --> 01:12:29,920
Speaker 2: All right, when we come back, we're gonna do a

1589
01:12:29,960 --> 01:12:33,639
Speaker 2: little better or worse, higher or lower with NFL playoff

1590
01:12:33,640 --> 01:12:39,080
Speaker 2: tiers from ESPN's NFL Nation and that will probably take

1591
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Speaker 2: us to the conclusion of our glorious show. So we're

1592
01:12:41,080 --> 01:12:42,960
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Speaker 4: Good, Hi, Hello, given Seth Walder NFL Nation. Okay, put

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01:13:43,960 --> 01:13:47,000
Speaker 4: in together? Do you have a copy? Yeah? Writer? All right?

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01:13:47,080 --> 01:13:47,439
Speaker 6: Good?

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01:13:48,800 --> 01:13:53,520
Speaker 4: NFL Playoff Tiers twenty twenty four, projecting thirty two teams

1611
01:13:53,560 --> 01:13:57,679
Speaker 4: in standings. Okay, so we can go through some of these.

1612
01:13:58,800 --> 01:14:01,120
Speaker 4: If you want to take one out, you have to

1613
01:14:01,120 --> 01:14:03,599
Speaker 4: replace it with one, but you can't add more.

1614
01:14:03,760 --> 01:14:05,680
Speaker 2: That's my rule if I want to take one.

1615
01:14:06,080 --> 01:14:08,759
Speaker 4: So there's four right now? They have the true super

1616
01:14:08,760 --> 01:14:12,799
Speaker 4: Bowl contenders? Okay, they have four? You can't add a fifth?

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01:14:12,800 --> 01:14:13,160
Speaker 6: Why not?

1618
01:14:13,479 --> 01:14:15,400
Speaker 4: Because I said so those are the rules today.

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01:14:15,560 --> 01:14:18,880
Speaker 2: But I want to did I not say that you would?

1620
01:14:19,920 --> 01:14:22,120
Speaker 2: But I think there are five super Bowl conditiondn't we

1621
01:14:22,120 --> 01:14:23,720
Speaker 2: just try to do There's not aren't supposed to fill

1622
01:14:23,720 --> 01:14:25,479
Speaker 2: out the most accurate tiers we can get back.

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01:14:26,479 --> 01:14:31,719
Speaker 4: No, I'm not into that. Okay, let's have a little fun.

1624
01:14:32,120 --> 01:14:34,920
Speaker 2: Well here's what I think the Niners can win the

1625
01:14:34,920 --> 01:14:39,720
Speaker 2: Super Bowl. But I wouldn't put them in here if

1626
01:14:39,720 --> 01:14:42,879
Speaker 2: I had to remove Kansas City, Buffalo, Detroit or the Ravens.

1627
01:14:44,040 --> 01:14:45,240
Speaker 2: But they should be in that tier.

1628
01:14:45,560 --> 01:14:48,120
Speaker 4: They are a true super Bowl contender.

1629
01:14:48,400 --> 01:14:51,800
Speaker 2: Yes, they're second half team. They're very immensely talented. They've

1630
01:14:51,840 --> 01:14:53,760
Speaker 2: been in the Super Bowl what to the last three years.

1631
01:14:53,760 --> 01:14:55,560
Speaker 4: I haven't won it, but they counting that.

1632
01:14:55,840 --> 01:14:58,599
Speaker 2: This is a contender. They are absolutely a contender. They

1633
01:14:58,600 --> 01:15:00,439
Speaker 2: are a team that nobody in the NF you want, I.

1634
01:15:00,400 --> 01:15:02,559
Speaker 4: Don't know, keeps going after kickers.

1635
01:15:03,080 --> 01:15:05,800
Speaker 2: Well they listen, they just got Christian McAffrey back. I

1636
01:15:05,840 --> 01:15:07,320
Speaker 2: think they're in a pretty good I think they're in

1637
01:15:07,320 --> 01:15:08,800
Speaker 2: a pretty good spot. I would put the forty. I

1638
01:15:08,840 --> 01:15:10,479
Speaker 2: think they're only I think there are five teams that

1639
01:15:10,520 --> 01:15:12,599
Speaker 2: can win the Super Bowl, and that is a full stop.

1640
01:15:12,960 --> 01:15:15,960
Speaker 4: Really yeah, and that is so. Those are the Chiefs,

1641
01:15:16,000 --> 01:15:19,080
Speaker 4: the Bills, the Lions, the Ravens, and the Niners who

1642
01:15:19,080 --> 01:15:24,080
Speaker 4: were in Tier four. According to this Yep, okay, yep,

1643
01:15:24,439 --> 01:15:25,559
Speaker 4: I didn't see that coming.

1644
01:15:25,800 --> 01:15:26,800
Speaker 2: See isn't that more fun?

1645
01:15:26,840 --> 01:15:27,120
Speaker 4: That way.

1646
01:15:27,160 --> 01:15:29,400
Speaker 2: That's a that was a I'll let you put the

1647
01:15:29,439 --> 01:15:31,080
Speaker 2: forty nine two tier leap frog.

1648
01:15:32,320 --> 01:15:35,320
Speaker 4: I'm not I'm not budging on anything else. Tier two

1649
01:15:35,320 --> 01:15:41,519
Speaker 4: were playoff locks. Okay, Eagles, Texans, Squealers. It pains me,

1650
01:15:41,640 --> 01:15:45,599
Speaker 4: but I feel like, yeah, well number one the Texans. Yeah,

1651
01:15:45,640 --> 01:15:46,240
Speaker 4: the rest of that.

1652
01:15:46,200 --> 01:15:51,479
Speaker 2: Division division, Yeah, the Steelers schedule gets a little bit tougher,

1653
01:15:51,520 --> 01:15:53,360
Speaker 2: to be honest. Let's loo at their schedule. I think

1654
01:15:53,400 --> 01:15:56,360
Speaker 2: that there when you're the cushion they've built for themselves.

1655
01:15:56,600 --> 01:16:00,240
Speaker 4: I love the hoff I'm not sure I agree even

1656
01:16:00,280 --> 01:16:01,200
Speaker 4: them that the Bengals are.

1657
01:16:01,080 --> 01:16:04,400
Speaker 2: Out all right, I know, I think they can make it.

1658
01:16:04,439 --> 01:16:10,040
Speaker 2: So Steelers have home Ravens, Steelers a one four in

1659
01:16:10,040 --> 01:16:15,680
Speaker 2: a row. They have home Ravens at Browns at Bengals

1660
01:16:16,280 --> 01:16:20,719
Speaker 2: home Browns at Eagles at Ravens home Chiefs home Bengals.

1661
01:16:20,880 --> 01:16:22,599
Speaker 4: Do they have to play everybody in the division.

1662
01:16:22,680 --> 01:16:22,840
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1663
01:16:22,880 --> 01:16:24,920
Speaker 2: They have not played a division Yeah, they haven't had

1664
01:16:24,920 --> 01:16:27,320
Speaker 2: a division game yet. So that is not an easy schedule,

1665
01:16:28,400 --> 01:16:32,200
Speaker 2: you would say right now, looking at this schedule, that

1666
01:16:33,120 --> 01:16:36,240
Speaker 2: were the easiest game on their schedule left and.

1667
01:16:36,160 --> 01:16:38,320
Speaker 4: That's on a short week, which you throw.

1668
01:16:38,120 --> 01:16:41,360
Speaker 2: That after the Ravens. Yeah, and it's here.

1669
01:16:41,800 --> 01:16:42,320
Speaker 4: I love that.

1670
01:16:43,000 --> 01:16:46,120
Speaker 2: Then they go at Bengals home, Browns at Eagles at

1671
01:16:46,200 --> 01:16:48,640
Speaker 2: Ravens home, Chiefs home Bengals. Like this is, and the

1672
01:16:48,680 --> 01:16:50,519
Speaker 2: Bengals are gonna be playing for some wee could It

1673
01:16:50,600 --> 01:16:52,840
Speaker 2: is not an easy schedule. They're at seven and two.

1674
01:16:53,600 --> 01:16:55,640
Speaker 2: So let's just say even if they went three and

1675
01:16:55,760 --> 01:17:00,240
Speaker 2: four or three and what, that'd be three and five. Yeah,

1676
01:17:00,600 --> 01:17:02,280
Speaker 2: but still puts them at ten and seven, which is

1677
01:17:02,280 --> 01:17:03,040
Speaker 2: gonna make the playoffs.

1678
01:17:03,120 --> 01:17:05,839
Speaker 5: Eagles Ravens, Chiefs also in the span of ten days.

1679
01:17:06,000 --> 01:17:09,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, they're gonna be They're fine. They're fine there. I agree,

1680
01:17:09,080 --> 01:17:11,160
Speaker 2: they're gonna make it. Eagles are.

1681
01:17:11,560 --> 01:17:16,439
Speaker 4: They might not have their usual November December swoon. Well,

1682
01:17:17,040 --> 01:17:18,800
Speaker 4: they might have a swing. They're gonna have a They're

1683
01:17:18,840 --> 01:17:21,400
Speaker 4: actually gonna have a swoon. Normally they're playing their best

1684
01:17:21,439 --> 01:17:23,719
Speaker 4: football in November. They're gonna have flip on a switch

1685
01:17:23,880 --> 01:17:24,799
Speaker 4: and then we're all in trouble.

1686
01:17:24,920 --> 01:17:27,400
Speaker 2: I do think they're in. And then this is gonna

1687
01:17:27,400 --> 01:17:29,200
Speaker 2: be a bold one. I'm gonna move another team up.

1688
01:17:29,280 --> 01:17:32,639
Speaker 2: I'm gonna move there are rules another team up into

1689
01:17:32,680 --> 01:17:33,160
Speaker 2: the Locks.

1690
01:17:34,200 --> 01:17:36,599
Speaker 4: I mean, of course the Texans are locks.

1691
01:17:36,760 --> 01:17:42,839
Speaker 2: The Atlanta Falcons are a lock. Falcons are a locked.

1692
01:17:43,280 --> 01:17:45,080
Speaker 4: I realize that division's garbage.

1693
01:17:45,160 --> 01:17:48,519
Speaker 2: They're up three games on that division basically. And now

1694
01:17:48,560 --> 01:17:50,479
Speaker 2: the Bucks have a very easy schedule. We went over

1695
01:17:50,640 --> 01:17:53,040
Speaker 2: the first hour, but the Falcons schedule is not. They're

1696
01:17:53,040 --> 01:17:57,560
Speaker 2: at six and four right now. They've got at Broncos,

1697
01:17:57,880 --> 01:18:01,479
Speaker 2: then a bye week home Chargers at Viking, so that's tough.

1698
01:18:01,720 --> 01:18:03,160
Speaker 2: Let's say they go one and two there, so that

1699
01:18:03,160 --> 01:18:05,200
Speaker 2: would put them at seven and six. If they do

1700
01:18:05,280 --> 01:18:06,840
Speaker 2: better than that, then they would be at eight and

1701
01:18:06,880 --> 01:18:07,880
Speaker 2: five and then it's good night.

1702
01:18:07,880 --> 01:18:08,200
Speaker 3: I read.

1703
01:18:08,680 --> 01:18:10,800
Speaker 2: Then they go at Raiders. That should be a win.

1704
01:18:10,920 --> 01:18:15,599
Speaker 2: So eight wins home Giants, nine at Commander's tough home.

1705
01:18:15,960 --> 01:18:17,360
Speaker 2: I mean they've get into ten wins. I think at

1706
01:18:17,360 --> 01:18:19,280
Speaker 2: a minimum, they get the Panthers at home, and I

1707
01:18:19,320 --> 01:18:20,519
Speaker 2: think they could do better than that.

1708
01:18:20,560 --> 01:18:23,840
Speaker 4: And they've already beaten the Tampa Bay twice twice. Yeah,

1709
01:18:23,880 --> 01:18:26,280
Speaker 4: so they own the tie break, Yes, so I would

1710
01:18:26,320 --> 01:18:29,720
Speaker 4: put them in Houston. Yeah, of course, your playoff locks. Yeah,

1711
01:18:29,760 --> 01:18:32,720
Speaker 4: so those are the locks barring a complete their collapse.

1712
01:18:32,960 --> 01:18:36,160
Speaker 2: So five Super Bowl contenders, and now the Niners are

1713
01:18:36,160 --> 01:18:38,400
Speaker 2: not currently a lock, but I do think they will

1714
01:18:38,400 --> 01:18:42,320
Speaker 2: make it. Then those four, barring a collapse. I couldn't

1715
01:18:42,320 --> 01:18:46,360
Speaker 2: agree more with this one, which is Commanders, Vikings, Chargers

1716
01:18:46,520 --> 01:18:48,800
Speaker 2: who are definitely in the driver's seat, and then we're

1717
01:18:48,880 --> 01:18:52,240
Speaker 2: leaning yes, would be Packers Arizona. Now here's the problem

1718
01:18:52,960 --> 01:18:57,680
Speaker 2: is that in the NFC that means that they currently have.

1719
01:19:01,120 --> 01:19:02,559
Speaker 4: Well, that doesn't make any sense.

1720
01:19:02,680 --> 01:19:08,280
Speaker 2: You have one is Detroit. Two are the Eagles, Okay,

1721
01:19:09,200 --> 01:19:15,000
Speaker 2: three of the Falcons, four Washington, five, Vikings, six Atlanta.

1722
01:19:16,120 --> 01:19:20,840
Speaker 2: Seven is either Cardinals or no Green Bay eight with

1723
01:19:20,920 --> 01:19:24,000
Speaker 2: the Cardinals. Is that even counting the Niners? Detroit is one?

1724
01:19:24,400 --> 01:19:29,400
Speaker 2: Now Phillias two, Washington, Atlanta would be three Washington for

1725
01:19:29,600 --> 01:19:33,840
Speaker 2: Minnesota five, Packers, six, Cardinals seven, nine Ers eight. So

1726
01:19:33,920 --> 01:19:35,599
Speaker 2: one of these teams that we would say are all

1727
01:19:35,600 --> 01:19:36,760
Speaker 2: in it cannot.

1728
01:19:36,360 --> 01:19:37,240
Speaker 4: Make it correct.

1729
01:19:37,280 --> 01:19:39,240
Speaker 2: So the Packers are a game up on the Niners.

1730
01:19:39,640 --> 01:19:41,840
Speaker 2: Cardinals are a game up on the Niners. Let me

1731
01:19:41,840 --> 01:19:43,800
Speaker 2: see when they play hey to head, because they already

1732
01:19:43,800 --> 01:19:47,720
Speaker 2: beat the Niners one. So they play Week eighteen in Arizona.

1733
01:19:47,920 --> 01:19:49,479
Speaker 2: They beat the Niners head to head, though in a

1734
01:19:49,760 --> 01:19:53,760
Speaker 2: massive collapse by the Niners. Cardinals go at Seattle at

1735
01:19:53,800 --> 01:19:59,360
Speaker 2: Minnesota home. Seattle home Patriots at Panthers at Rams home Niners.

1736
01:19:59,400 --> 01:20:01,920
Speaker 2: So that's not the easiest schedule, but.

1737
01:20:01,880 --> 01:20:07,599
Speaker 4: Not tackler they did. Yeah, they're linebacker leading tackler. They

1738
01:20:07,600 --> 01:20:08,000
Speaker 4: cut him.

1739
01:20:08,200 --> 01:20:08,439
Speaker 3: Huh.

1740
01:20:09,280 --> 01:20:15,559
Speaker 2: Niners go home Seattle at green Bay at Buffalo they

1741
01:20:15,600 --> 01:20:17,840
Speaker 2: go too and one there and for sure home Bears

1742
01:20:17,880 --> 01:20:21,120
Speaker 2: home Rams at Dolphins home Lions at Cardinals. They do

1743
01:20:21,200 --> 01:20:23,200
Speaker 2: not have an easy schedule, but I still think they

1744
01:20:23,240 --> 01:20:25,000
Speaker 2: are a Super Bowl contender. They just have got to

1745
01:20:25,040 --> 01:20:28,680
Speaker 2: get in and then they'll see the Packers schedule. Packers

1746
01:20:28,720 --> 01:20:32,920
Speaker 2: go bye week was last week? Then they go bye

1747
01:20:32,920 --> 01:20:34,360
Speaker 2: week's this week is this week?

1748
01:20:34,400 --> 01:20:36,040
Speaker 3: Ten? Yeah?

1749
01:20:36,080 --> 01:20:38,120
Speaker 4: Week eleven?

1750
01:20:38,479 --> 01:20:43,880
Speaker 2: Okay, So Packers go at Bears home Niners home Dolphins

1751
01:20:44,000 --> 01:20:47,839
Speaker 2: at Lions at Seahawks, home Saints at Vikings home Bears.

1752
01:20:48,600 --> 01:20:52,839
Speaker 2: Not the easiest either with the Niners, Lions at Seattle

1753
01:20:52,880 --> 01:20:53,520
Speaker 2: at Minnesota.

1754
01:20:54,880 --> 01:20:58,720
Speaker 4: So in the first four tiers on the AFC side,

1755
01:20:58,760 --> 01:21:01,280
Speaker 4: they've got six teams. Ye, so you got one Chiefs

1756
01:21:01,320 --> 01:21:07,960
Speaker 4: to Bills, the Ravens, Texan, Squealers, Chargers. That leaves three

1757
01:21:08,000 --> 01:21:10,640
Speaker 4: teams in Tier five competing for that final spot. I

1758
01:21:11,040 --> 01:21:12,160
Speaker 4: like the Bengals chances.

1759
01:21:12,240 --> 01:21:14,400
Speaker 2: I'm going to cross the Colts off this list. Yes,

1760
01:21:14,880 --> 01:21:16,600
Speaker 2: they go to Stranger.

1761
01:21:16,240 --> 01:21:17,560
Speaker 4: Things fighting Yellowstones.

1762
01:21:17,680 --> 01:21:21,439
Speaker 2: Yeah, they go to Stranger Things come and where the

1763
01:21:21,520 --> 01:21:22,320
Speaker 2: Rams have to go to.

1764
01:21:22,680 --> 01:21:25,519
Speaker 4: I'm not sold on the Broncos and that would leave you.

1765
01:21:25,800 --> 01:21:29,000
Speaker 2: So it's Bengals Broncos. I mean, listen, you get that

1766
01:21:29,200 --> 01:21:32,880
Speaker 2: a short field goal in you're at six and four

1767
01:21:33,040 --> 01:21:35,479
Speaker 2: or two games up. That feels that probably feels pretty

1768
01:21:35,520 --> 01:21:38,640
Speaker 2: good to you there when do let me look at

1769
01:21:38,640 --> 01:21:41,559
Speaker 2: one thing real quickly, because don't the Bengals and the

1770
01:21:41,560 --> 01:21:44,280
Speaker 2: Broncos play, right? Have they played yet this year?

1771
01:21:45,600 --> 01:21:46,080
Speaker 3: They have to.

1772
01:21:46,479 --> 01:21:48,320
Speaker 4: I don't know if they've played yet.

1773
01:21:48,400 --> 01:21:52,360
Speaker 2: I'm looking right in they play the Broncos at home

1774
01:21:52,479 --> 01:21:56,160
Speaker 2: week seventeen, So the Bengals go at the Chargers, then

1775
01:21:56,200 --> 01:22:01,439
Speaker 2: a bye week home, Stealers at Cowboys at Titan home,

1776
01:22:01,479 --> 01:22:03,519
Speaker 2: Browns home, Broncos at Steelers.

1777
01:22:03,800 --> 01:22:11,400
Speaker 4: I what that week seventeen, we have a primetime game

1778
01:22:11,400 --> 01:22:15,320
Speaker 4: on Sunday night that could move. Yeah, they could put

1779
01:22:15,360 --> 01:22:18,600
Speaker 4: the Bengals Broncos in. That could be a winner to

1780
01:22:18,680 --> 01:22:19,320
Speaker 4: the playoffs.

1781
01:22:19,479 --> 01:22:22,200
Speaker 2: Could be Then they go at Steelers unless we ruin

1782
01:22:22,280 --> 01:22:26,200
Speaker 2: everybody's year their schedule. Chargers, if they can, that's gonna

1783
01:22:26,200 --> 01:22:28,080
Speaker 2: be a big game on Sunday Night football it is.

1784
01:22:28,240 --> 01:22:32,240
Speaker 2: Then they're home Steelers at Dallas at Tennessee. I feel

1785
01:22:32,240 --> 01:22:36,040
Speaker 2: like those should both be wins. Home Browns. They'll be

1786
01:22:36,040 --> 01:22:39,440
Speaker 2: favored in that game. And then it's home Broncos at Steelers.

1787
01:22:39,520 --> 01:22:43,599
Speaker 2: So their schedule is not terrible down the stretch. Let's

1788
01:22:43,600 --> 01:22:46,400
Speaker 2: see what Denver has. Denver's got a one game lead

1789
01:22:46,439 --> 01:22:51,120
Speaker 2: on them. Denver goes home Falcons. It's gonna be a

1790
01:22:51,120 --> 01:22:54,200
Speaker 2: big game for them at Raiders home Browns. Bye week

1791
01:22:54,280 --> 01:22:57,920
Speaker 2: home Colts, and then they finished top at Chargers at

1792
01:22:58,000 --> 01:23:01,640
Speaker 2: Bengals home Chiefs. Now, Chiefs might be resting everybody in

1793
01:23:01,640 --> 01:23:04,720
Speaker 2: week eighteen. They might have that one seed locked up.

1794
01:23:04,760 --> 01:23:06,599
Speaker 2: If they can keep a two game lead over the Bills,

1795
01:23:07,320 --> 01:23:09,559
Speaker 2: that'll be interesting. But yeah, that's it. I really think

1796
01:23:09,560 --> 01:23:12,760
Speaker 2: that's it. Miami by the Miami. I'll put up in

1797
01:23:12,800 --> 01:23:18,960
Speaker 2: the in the stranger things have happened, But Jets slight

1798
01:23:19,080 --> 01:23:22,640
Speaker 2: chance feels like Jets to me is rest up for

1799
01:23:22,680 --> 01:23:26,200
Speaker 2: twenty twenty five. Yes, Bears feels that it feels clean

1800
01:23:26,240 --> 01:23:28,479
Speaker 2: house of sinking ship right now with the Bears. But

1801
01:23:29,280 --> 01:23:31,719
Speaker 2: they have they have they have the talent that makes

1802
01:23:31,720 --> 01:23:34,799
Speaker 2: it feel possible so they'd go into stranger things.

1803
01:23:34,560 --> 01:23:39,320
Speaker 4: For me, I mean, Tampa Bay would have to get

1804
01:23:39,360 --> 01:23:40,920
Speaker 4: I mean, when does Evans come.

1805
01:23:40,800 --> 01:23:43,160
Speaker 2: Back after the bye week? So they got a bye

1806
01:23:43,160 --> 01:23:45,000
Speaker 2: week and then and then it's coming.

1807
01:23:44,840 --> 01:23:46,920
Speaker 4: Up maybe yeah, desperately.

1808
01:23:46,960 --> 01:23:51,440
Speaker 2: Well, their schedule is very easy, very easy, very manageable.

1809
01:23:52,080 --> 01:23:57,160
Speaker 2: Bucks go's on of this, give it. They're at four

1810
01:23:57,160 --> 01:24:01,559
Speaker 2: and six, they go at Giants that bye week this week,

1811
01:24:01,600 --> 01:24:06,240
Speaker 2: then Evans comes back at Giants, at Panthers home Raiders,

1812
01:24:06,360 --> 01:24:10,040
Speaker 2: so they should be seven and six. They should go

1813
01:24:10,080 --> 01:24:14,719
Speaker 2: three and zero in those games, then at Chargers, tough,

1814
01:24:15,200 --> 01:24:20,040
Speaker 2: at Cowboys not tough, home Panthers home Saints Division games.

1815
01:24:20,080 --> 01:24:23,400
Speaker 2: Weird stuff happens, but this is not. They're They're probably

1816
01:24:23,439 --> 01:24:25,559
Speaker 2: only going to be an underdog in one of these

1817
01:24:25,600 --> 01:24:30,880
Speaker 2: final seven games, so they could get to ten and seven,

1818
01:24:30,920 --> 01:24:34,120
Speaker 2: but that still wouldn't be enough to catch the Falcons

1819
01:24:35,320 --> 01:24:36,120
Speaker 2: barring a disaster.

1820
01:24:36,400 --> 01:24:39,040
Speaker 4: So, in a strange turn of events, does ten and

1821
01:24:39,240 --> 01:24:42,679
Speaker 4: seven guarantee you the playoffs in the NFC? No more

1822
01:24:42,720 --> 01:24:43,679
Speaker 4: so than the AFC.

1823
01:24:44,479 --> 01:24:46,640
Speaker 2: No, I think ten and seven will guarantee you in

1824
01:24:46,680 --> 01:24:48,840
Speaker 2: the AFC. I think the NFC is tougher the NFC

1825
01:24:49,000 --> 01:24:51,800
Speaker 2: right now You've got the last team in right now

1826
01:24:51,840 --> 01:24:54,479
Speaker 2: is six and three, and the Niners are at five

1827
01:24:54,479 --> 01:24:58,960
Speaker 2: and four. Niners could go five and three and they're

1828
01:24:58,960 --> 01:25:01,680
Speaker 2: ahead already. Then they beat the Bucks.

1829
01:25:01,400 --> 01:25:03,920
Speaker 4: So yeah, it's not they might you might need eleven.

1830
01:25:03,960 --> 01:25:07,160
Speaker 2: So I have a computer model here that gives playoff percentages.

1831
01:25:07,560 --> 01:25:14,120
Speaker 2: Oh fancy computer ninety nine percent, Chiefs Lions, Bills ninety seven,

1832
01:25:14,120 --> 01:25:17,960
Speaker 2: Stealers ninety five, Ravens ninety four, Houston ninety one, Minnesota

1833
01:25:18,320 --> 01:25:22,160
Speaker 2: ninety one, Philly eighty seven, Chargers, eighty six, Commanders eighty four,

1834
01:25:22,160 --> 01:25:26,200
Speaker 2: Falcons seventy six Packers, sixty nine percent Arizona, and then

1835
01:25:26,320 --> 01:25:29,479
Speaker 2: forty nine for Denver, thirty four for the Niners, thirty

1836
01:25:29,479 --> 01:25:33,400
Speaker 2: three Indianapolis, twenty eight, Tampa, nineteen for the Rams, sixteen

1837
01:25:33,479 --> 01:25:36,040
Speaker 2: percent for the Bengals, and then you get down in

1838
01:25:36,080 --> 01:25:40,160
Speaker 2: the ten percent below of Seattle, Jets, Chicago, Dallas, New Orleans, Tennessee,

1839
01:25:40,200 --> 01:25:42,680
Speaker 2: New England, Las Vegas, Carolina, Cleveland, Jacksonville, and.

1840
01:25:42,760 --> 01:25:46,120
Speaker 4: The g Ben are the g Men the worst team

1841
01:25:46,120 --> 01:25:48,599
Speaker 4: in the NFL. They might be. Oh no, they beat

1842
01:25:48,680 --> 01:25:54,640
Speaker 4: us here, so don't remind me dreadful right now. G

1843
01:25:54,840 --> 01:25:57,320
Speaker 4: Mennor Jacksonville, who's worse With.

1844
01:25:57,320 --> 01:26:04,320
Speaker 2: Mac Jones Johnsonville. Mac Jones was saying it it's very

1845
01:26:04,360 --> 01:26:08,360
Speaker 2: possible that you know, Trevor Lawrence is good, there's and

1846
01:26:08,400 --> 01:26:10,880
Speaker 2: that there's a lot of bad just going on right now.

1847
01:26:12,920 --> 01:26:14,600
Speaker 2: That's what it feels like. There's just a lot of

1848
01:26:14,600 --> 01:26:19,040
Speaker 2: bad going on right now. I get it, but this

1849
01:26:19,160 --> 01:26:21,719
Speaker 2: is wild to have. I think you could put ten

1850
01:26:21,760 --> 01:26:24,760
Speaker 2: teams that are out of it, and I'm putting the

1851
01:26:24,800 --> 01:26:25,559
Speaker 2: Jets in that list.

1852
01:26:25,840 --> 01:26:28,479
Speaker 4: Jets seemed to be a three and seven done.

1853
01:26:28,560 --> 01:26:30,439
Speaker 2: If you had the Jets that list, there are ten

1854
01:26:30,560 --> 01:26:35,000
Speaker 2: teams that are done, twenty two teams are left, and

1855
01:26:35,040 --> 01:26:38,639
Speaker 2: it really feels like of those twenty two, you've got

1856
01:26:39,080 --> 01:26:42,080
Speaker 2: a four team that really have a chance to be

1857
01:26:42,200 --> 01:26:43,360
Speaker 2: in that final fourteen.

1858
01:26:47,240 --> 01:26:48,439
Speaker 4: You're taking the Colts out of.

1859
01:26:48,439 --> 01:26:52,559
Speaker 2: The that Thearon Strange. I mean, listen, Bucks, Bucks are

1860
01:26:52,560 --> 01:26:54,800
Speaker 2: the best of that. I'd put them maybe on the

1861
01:26:54,800 --> 01:26:58,080
Speaker 2: fringe of hope and despair since we saw their schedule. Colts,

1862
01:26:58,240 --> 01:27:03,960
Speaker 2: no Rams, no Miami, Chicago, no Seattle know, but they're

1863
01:27:03,960 --> 01:27:07,360
Speaker 2: in stranger things have happened, but it's pretty I mean,

1864
01:27:07,400 --> 01:27:10,160
Speaker 2: teams just need alcer now. Injuries change everything. You look

1865
01:27:10,160 --> 01:27:13,840
Speaker 2: at backup quarterback situations. Injuries could absolutely change everything down

1866
01:27:13,840 --> 01:27:16,960
Speaker 2: the stretch. But if teams stay healthy, that's what I

1867
01:27:16,960 --> 01:27:19,040
Speaker 2: think you're gonna that's where we're gonna be at here

1868
01:27:19,520 --> 01:27:21,280
Speaker 2: as we get ready for it. So there you go,

1869
01:27:21,320 --> 01:27:23,120
Speaker 2: a little better or worse. It's good, it's good. It's

1870
01:27:23,120 --> 01:27:25,120
Speaker 2: a good discussion. It's just wild that this is you know,

1871
01:27:25,160 --> 01:27:27,519
Speaker 2: you talk parody. I think this is going to be

1872
01:27:27,520 --> 01:27:32,400
Speaker 2: the largest group of teams eliminated early we've seen in many,

1873
01:27:32,439 --> 01:27:33,000
Speaker 2: many years.

1874
01:27:33,000 --> 01:27:35,839
Speaker 4: Correct last year from a large margin.

1875
01:27:36,000 --> 01:27:38,240
Speaker 2: Last year, wasn't it like thirty of the teams were

1876
01:27:39,080 --> 01:27:40,200
Speaker 2: still totally in.

1877
01:27:40,200 --> 01:27:41,920
Speaker 4: It with like two weeks to go because no one

1878
01:27:41,920 --> 01:27:45,080
Speaker 4: made a move at the trade deadline. Everybody was still

1879
01:27:45,120 --> 01:27:46,040
Speaker 4: in it. Yeah.

1880
01:27:47,400 --> 01:27:50,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's very different this year, unfortunately. All Right, here's

1881
01:27:50,920 --> 01:27:54,040
Speaker 2: something just to think about. The NFL NERD says, we're

1882
01:27:54,040 --> 01:27:56,639
Speaker 2: about six months away from the twenty twenty five schedule release.

1883
01:27:56,680 --> 01:28:00,160
Speaker 2: Here's my first mock international schedule, including cities and eight

1884
01:28:00,280 --> 01:28:04,639
Speaker 2: mostly guesses. Houston at the Chargers in Rio de Janeiro,

1885
01:28:05,520 --> 01:28:10,480
Speaker 2: Buffalo at Pittsburgh and Dublin, Ireland, the Rams at Jacksonville

1886
01:28:10,560 --> 01:28:16,400
Speaker 2: and Wembley. Jacksonville at the Broncos in London, Tottenham, Brown's

1887
01:28:16,640 --> 01:28:22,200
Speaker 2: at Jets in London, Tottenham, Washington at Kansas City and Berlin,

1888
01:28:23,240 --> 01:28:28,040
Speaker 2: Cincinnati at Miami and madri and Dallas at Las Vegas

1889
01:28:28,040 --> 01:28:29,879
Speaker 2: in Mexico City, Mexico.

1890
01:28:32,920 --> 01:28:39,720
Speaker 4: H all right, is Roger still with the Jets?

1891
01:28:41,760 --> 01:28:44,800
Speaker 2: I don't know, I really that I don't know, could

1892
01:28:45,240 --> 01:28:45,800
Speaker 2: perhaps not?

1893
01:28:46,080 --> 01:28:47,800
Speaker 4: What does that team look like a year from now?

1894
01:28:47,920 --> 01:28:50,120
Speaker 4: Who knows? That's that's wild?

1895
01:28:50,320 --> 01:28:50,599
Speaker 6: Correct?

1896
01:28:51,000 --> 01:28:52,800
Speaker 2: Lot A lot's going to change, I think in many,

1897
01:28:52,840 --> 01:28:55,320
Speaker 2: a great many places by next year. All right, we'll

1898
01:28:55,320 --> 01:28:58,160
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1917
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1920
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1921
01:30:32,320 --> 01:30:34,080
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1922
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1923
01:30:37,960 --> 01:30:41,120
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1924
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1925
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