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Speaker 1: Twenty seventeen marks the anniversary of the Summer of Sam.

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Speaker 1: To mark the occasion, Pocketbooks is proud to release a

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Speaker 1: Lawrence D. Klaussner. This is an incredible story of how

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Speaker 1: a single man, David Berkowitz, dubbed Son of Sam, the

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Speaker 1: demon haunted forty four caliber killer, killed six, wounded several others,

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Speaker 1: and terrorized millions of New Yorkers over eight known attacks

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Speaker 1: from July nineteen seventy six through August nineteen seventy seven.

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Speaker 1: It's also the story of the greatest man hunt in

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Speaker 1: narrative of the men assigned to tracking down a lone killer.

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Speaker 1: The police task Force investigated more than three thousand suspects,

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Speaker 1: some of them cops, before finally making an arrest. In

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Speaker 1: the meantime, politicians watched a city writhe and panic. Newspapers

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Speaker 1: played upon the fears of their readers, and the criminal

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Speaker 1: justice system showed itself incapable of coping with the man

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Speaker 1: Lawrence D. Klausner today. Royalties earned from The cell of

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Speaker 1: this book will be shared between the victims, where their

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Speaker 1: families and the off her climb stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: on Sirius XM Triumph Channel one thirty two. Alison Jackson

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Speaker 1: Floyd disappeared on Sunday, July two thousand six. It's another hot,

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Speaker 1: humid summer in Wilmington, North Carolina. All signs led to

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Speaker 1: the likelihood that she had left the area on her

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Speaker 1: own quarter. In April two thousand and eight, a human

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Speaker 1: skull was found in a wooden area three miles from

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Speaker 1: where she was last seen, but Allison wasn't alone. It

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Speaker 1: was soon discovered that there were actually two. Her case

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Speaker 1: is still an unsolved thomas I process of elimination have

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Speaker 1: eliminated all but one potential suspect, a Port City cab

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Speaker 1: driver who was in the bar Allison disappeared from. The

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Speaker 1: case is just kind of in a stalemate. Investigations are

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Speaker 1: ongoing and there is no statute of limitations for Martin.

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Speaker 1: There is hope that the case will be sold. I'm

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Speaker 1: just really fearful that we're not going to get justice

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Speaker 1: for my sister. You know, I've talked to so many

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Speaker 1: crime victims and we all seem to agree on one thing,

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Speaker 1: and it's largely anecdotal. I don't have a statistic to

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Speaker 1: prove it. There's never been a scientific study. But everyone,

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Speaker 1: every crime victim I have ever spoken to, they know

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Speaker 1: when they get that call. They know immediately. I knew

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Speaker 1: when I was told to call my fiance's family and

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Speaker 1: Keith Gone. I knew, I knew, and I don't know

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Speaker 1: how I knew. In this case, a sister gets a

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Speaker 1: phone call from dad saying there's a problem. Allison's gone.

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Speaker 1: Did she know? I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories.

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Speaker 1: Thank you for being with us and with me. That

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Speaker 1: sister Lisa Valentino, and we are talking about the disappearance

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Speaker 1: of her beautiful sister, Alison. Lisa, thank you for being

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Speaker 1: with me. Do you remember when your dad called you?

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, it's absolutely I I was on a family

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Speaker 1: vacation with my brother, other brother, my brother and my

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Speaker 1: and my dad called us and said, you know, there's

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Speaker 1: a problem, just like you said Alison, and this, and

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Speaker 1: and immediately I knew that she was no longer living.

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Speaker 1: That was the feeling that I had within my heart,

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Speaker 1: flew to Willington with my dad. During that flight, I mean,

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Speaker 1: years seems like another lifetime ago. But I do remember

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Speaker 1: he's been sick before. It's gonna work out. And Cheryl McCallum,

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Speaker 1: director of the Cold Case Institute, and my longtime friend, Cheryl,

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Speaker 1: thank you for the my mentor for my dad you

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Speaker 1: sent me. You know, as to me, it's like he's

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Speaker 1: still here. And I wonder to you, Lisa Valentino, when

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Speaker 1: get to your dad when you first saw him, what

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Speaker 1: I just can see him and we just left my dad.

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Speaker 1: It'll be two years in October, um, but I could

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Speaker 1: what's weird, Lisa, it seems like like I have my sister.

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Speaker 1: She is a brainiac. You know, she graduated at Wharton.

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Speaker 1: funny how people can do all sorts of stellar things,

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Speaker 1: Allison's family. You remember what happened, that's that's that's who

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Speaker 1: And actually at the time that the current investigator who

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Speaker 1: Alison missing? Well that kind of so this was this

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Speaker 1: Allison had just gotten a knee job. She was assistant

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Speaker 1: saying gives me another whole series of investigatory thoughts. You know,

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Speaker 1: Cheryl McCullum, director of the Cold Case Institute. When people

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Speaker 1: remember talking to Chucky Mark's mom. He was shot riding

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Speaker 1: this case, Alison worked. She was working there at a

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Speaker 1: that is why she was there. Cheryl not as if

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Speaker 1: Cheryl Nancy, People spend so much time investigating the victim,

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Speaker 1: that she weren't that night till the end of her shift.

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Speaker 1: You know that she left when the pub was closing down. Correct,

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Speaker 1: Then what happened she steps out the door into the night. Well,

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Speaker 1: couple of different theories. One is and this is the one.

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Speaker 1: We really believe that the friends that she was with,

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Speaker 1: And he says that they he motioned for the bartender.

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Speaker 1: The bartender came over. He said, let's get Alison a cat.

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Speaker 1: She went made a phone call and a few moments

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Speaker 1: these sighting Cheryl. Again, common sense needs to play a

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Speaker 1: Why they didn't believe that there was foul play or

427
00:25:06,200 --> 00:25:09,720
Speaker 1: that she was missing, I mean, I'm laughing now, but

428
00:25:09,760 --> 00:25:14,439
Speaker 1: it's it's extremely sad. It's just incredulous. I'm thinking, like

429
00:25:14,520 --> 00:25:16,760
Speaker 1: I couldn't believe it. So we got a new detective

430
00:25:16,760 --> 00:25:19,320
Speaker 1: on the case. He was a homicide detective, but he

431
00:25:19,400 --> 00:25:23,320
Speaker 1: actually was not much better. Um he really didn't believe

432
00:25:23,400 --> 00:25:25,439
Speaker 1: that she was missing either. He thought she had left

433
00:25:25,440 --> 00:25:29,439
Speaker 1: of her own course. And guys, again, Cheryl, I do

434
00:25:29,560 --> 00:25:32,000
Speaker 1: not want to be in the position of trashing the cops.

435
00:25:32,040 --> 00:25:34,760
Speaker 1: And I'll tell you why. Some of the most decent

436
00:25:35,200 --> 00:25:38,280
Speaker 1: and honest people I have ever known and the most

437
00:25:38,320 --> 00:25:44,080
Speaker 1: hardworking have been police officers. Question and you know they

438
00:25:44,640 --> 00:25:46,320
Speaker 1: there are some bad ones. I know that, and they

439
00:25:46,359 --> 00:25:50,159
Speaker 1: make all of them look bad. But that's simply not true.

440
00:25:51,040 --> 00:25:54,080
Speaker 1: I have seen them out beating the streets right beside me.

441
00:25:54,720 --> 00:25:58,240
Speaker 1: I remember working cases for months on end. We would

442
00:25:58,280 --> 00:26:01,640
Speaker 1: go out every single day in the rain, in the cold,

443
00:26:01,960 --> 00:26:06,919
Speaker 1: looking in flop houses and brothels and doped ins, you

444
00:26:07,000 --> 00:26:10,200
Speaker 1: name it, trying to find witnesses, trying to find victims,

445
00:26:10,720 --> 00:26:14,600
Speaker 1: working through the night, having going out and having to

446
00:26:14,760 --> 00:26:17,480
Speaker 1: arrest witnesses that we're afraid to come to court, you

447
00:26:17,560 --> 00:26:21,640
Speaker 1: name it. So cops in my mind are good? Are

448
00:26:21,680 --> 00:26:24,399
Speaker 1: there bad cops? Yes? Are there cops out of their

449
00:26:24,480 --> 00:26:26,439
Speaker 1: league that don't have the training, Like here, you've got

450
00:26:26,480 --> 00:26:29,919
Speaker 1: an embezzlement cops trying to find a missing person. But

451
00:26:29,960 --> 00:26:33,600
Speaker 1: I bet you, I guarantee it. They tried right, And

452
00:26:33,800 --> 00:26:36,159
Speaker 1: I do want to say I just, I just do

453
00:26:36,200 --> 00:26:38,399
Speaker 1: you want to say that the investigator who has been

454
00:26:38,440 --> 00:26:41,680
Speaker 1: on this case for the longest amount of time, um,

455
00:26:41,840 --> 00:26:45,440
Speaker 1: and who has really been awesome? I mean, the guy

456
00:26:45,440 --> 00:26:47,639
Speaker 1: who's been there for the longest amount of time has

457
00:26:47,680 --> 00:26:50,600
Speaker 1: been great and he he has done his job. And

458
00:26:50,640 --> 00:26:53,840
Speaker 1: so I just things have changed in the Woman Can

459
00:26:53,880 --> 00:26:56,199
Speaker 1: Police department over these eleven years that this case has

460
00:26:56,240 --> 00:26:59,399
Speaker 1: been there. So so what were they tell They were

461
00:26:59,440 --> 00:27:01,960
Speaker 1: still sticking me the idea that she had just disappeared?

462
00:27:02,000 --> 00:27:04,679
Speaker 1: What about it? Cheryl? Oh, yeah, that's all they're thinking.

463
00:27:04,880 --> 00:27:07,119
Speaker 1: And Nancy, I agree with you. I mean, they're the

464
00:27:07,160 --> 00:27:10,159
Speaker 1: fault of the earth people, but they are human and

465
00:27:10,200 --> 00:27:14,120
Speaker 1: sometimes once they make their mind up, it's very difficult

466
00:27:14,160 --> 00:27:17,880
Speaker 1: to get a police officer to think differently. Again, they

467
00:27:17,920 --> 00:27:20,280
Speaker 1: thought she ran off, they thought she had been drinking,

468
00:27:20,440 --> 00:27:24,600
Speaker 1: had an affair, whatever, They weren't on this radar of

469
00:27:24,680 --> 00:27:27,600
Speaker 1: this person could have been murdered. So now where does

470
00:27:27,640 --> 00:27:31,360
Speaker 1: the case stand right now? What do we know at

471
00:27:31,400 --> 00:27:36,240
Speaker 1: this moment two thousand seventeen about what happened to Alison?

472
00:27:36,560 --> 00:27:41,119
Speaker 1: With me? Allison's sister Lisa Valentino. Lisa, do you recall

473
00:27:41,320 --> 00:27:48,920
Speaker 1: learning that your sister's remains have been found? Absolutely? Well, Actually,

474
00:27:49,080 --> 00:27:52,199
Speaker 1: I got a phone call from the people that I've

475
00:27:52,240 --> 00:27:54,919
Speaker 1: been working with down here and saying you're gonna get

476
00:27:54,920 --> 00:27:57,440
Speaker 1: a call tomorrow from law enforcement. It's breaking all over

477
00:27:57,480 --> 00:28:00,879
Speaker 1: down here that remains have been found, and I'm I

478
00:28:00,960 --> 00:28:02,720
Speaker 1: want to just warn me that you know, we believe

479
00:28:02,760 --> 00:28:05,920
Speaker 1: it's your sister. And I just I remember I was

480
00:28:06,000 --> 00:28:07,919
Speaker 1: lying in bed, it was eleven o'clock at night, and

481
00:28:07,960 --> 00:28:13,040
Speaker 1: I just was uh in shock. On the one hand, Um,

482
00:28:13,080 --> 00:28:16,480
Speaker 1: I was finally grateful to have some answers as to

483
00:28:16,560 --> 00:28:19,159
Speaker 1: where Alison was, even though I really knew in my

484
00:28:19,200 --> 00:28:22,159
Speaker 1: heart where she was. But on the other hand, I

485
00:28:22,160 --> 00:28:26,800
Speaker 1: I just you know, tremendous sadness and just you know,

486
00:28:26,880 --> 00:28:29,919
Speaker 1: I I I had no words, I had no words,

487
00:28:29,920 --> 00:28:33,159
Speaker 1: and um, sure enough, the next day we do get

488
00:28:33,200 --> 00:28:36,320
Speaker 1: a phone call. However, they couldn't identify that it was

489
00:28:36,400 --> 00:28:40,880
Speaker 1: definitely my sister. Um that that process took from April

490
00:28:40,920 --> 00:28:43,920
Speaker 1: to September because we had to have her confirmed through

491
00:28:44,000 --> 00:28:47,080
Speaker 1: d n a UM as we had no dental records,

492
00:28:47,120 --> 00:28:50,720
Speaker 1: couldn't find current centul or any type of ventil records. Um.

493
00:28:51,200 --> 00:28:53,600
Speaker 1: But I knew too. They sent me pictures of jewelry

494
00:28:53,640 --> 00:28:55,560
Speaker 1: that was found on the body, and I knew that

495
00:28:55,640 --> 00:28:59,240
Speaker 1: the jewelry was my sisters. I knew it was her. Um.

496
00:28:59,320 --> 00:29:03,280
Speaker 1: What was the jewel ry A ring and a necklace?

497
00:29:04,200 --> 00:29:08,200
Speaker 1: Um of hers? That was founded? What was so distinctive

498
00:29:08,240 --> 00:29:10,400
Speaker 1: about it? What was distinctive that made you know it

499
00:29:10,480 --> 00:29:15,200
Speaker 1: was her? I had just seen Alison prior to her disappearance,

500
00:29:15,240 --> 00:29:17,760
Speaker 1: and I just I know that ring and the necklace

501
00:29:17,760 --> 00:29:19,720
Speaker 1: that she had on. I just knew they were hers

502
00:29:19,720 --> 00:29:24,120
Speaker 1: because I had I had seen them on her. Um.

503
00:29:24,200 --> 00:29:26,440
Speaker 1: I had seen them on her previously when she had

504
00:29:26,480 --> 00:29:29,240
Speaker 1: come to my house too for a visit, which was

505
00:29:29,280 --> 00:29:31,880
Speaker 1: the last time I had seen her, So I knew

506
00:29:31,880 --> 00:29:34,320
Speaker 1: it was her. But again there again too. I gotta

507
00:29:34,360 --> 00:29:38,080
Speaker 1: tell you, this crazy thing that happens is the whole while,

508
00:29:38,240 --> 00:29:40,080
Speaker 1: even when I knew she was her and we're reading

509
00:29:40,120 --> 00:29:42,920
Speaker 1: for confirmation of Vienna, there's still that little increat maybe

510
00:29:42,920 --> 00:29:47,360
Speaker 1: they're wrong, maybe they're wrong, you know, and and then

511
00:29:47,360 --> 00:29:50,560
Speaker 1: you get the call you wanted to believe. You know,

512
00:29:50,600 --> 00:29:53,040
Speaker 1: I did the same thing. In my head. I was

513
00:29:53,080 --> 00:29:56,680
Speaker 1: making up all sorts of reasons why Keith's family was

514
00:29:56,720 --> 00:30:00,440
Speaker 1: calling me, And I almost convinced myself by the time

515
00:30:00,440 --> 00:30:02,480
Speaker 1: I could get back to the phone that there had

516
00:30:02,520 --> 00:30:05,040
Speaker 1: been a car crash and he was alive and if

517
00:30:05,040 --> 00:30:06,840
Speaker 1: I could hurry, I could get to and fix it.

518
00:30:07,640 --> 00:30:12,520
Speaker 1: And it wasn't until I saw it was my pastor actually, uh,

519
00:30:12,840 --> 00:30:14,960
Speaker 1: nobody was home, and I saw a car at the

520
00:30:15,040 --> 00:30:17,240
Speaker 1: church and pulled in to use the phone that was

521
00:30:17,280 --> 00:30:20,560
Speaker 1: before cell phones, and ran in. He happened to be

522
00:30:20,680 --> 00:30:22,840
Speaker 1: there and he called. I was on the other side

523
00:30:22,840 --> 00:30:26,800
Speaker 1: of his desk and I read upside down Bernstein's funeral home.

524
00:30:27,840 --> 00:30:30,160
Speaker 1: And it wasn't until he got off the phone that

525
00:30:30,320 --> 00:30:33,160
Speaker 1: I knew Keith had been shot dead. So you try

526
00:30:33,240 --> 00:30:36,920
Speaker 1: to tell yourself maybe this, maybe that when did you

527
00:30:37,360 --> 00:30:40,080
Speaker 1: come to the realization she had been kidnapped and murdered.

528
00:30:40,520 --> 00:30:43,280
Speaker 1: I think it all finally said in when we got

529
00:30:43,320 --> 00:30:48,760
Speaker 1: the definite d NA back in September of that year. UM.

530
00:30:48,840 --> 00:30:51,800
Speaker 1: For me, that phone call is I had all of

531
00:30:51,840 --> 00:30:54,480
Speaker 1: this emotion and that's when it was finally well released.

532
00:30:55,120 --> 00:30:59,280
Speaker 1: UM And and that's when it really when it really

533
00:30:59,360 --> 00:31:02,160
Speaker 1: hit me to this was it, this, this had happened

534
00:31:02,760 --> 00:31:04,760
Speaker 1: and she was no longer here and she met a

535
00:31:04,840 --> 00:31:09,680
Speaker 1: brutally violent unto her wife, but she really did not

536
00:31:09,840 --> 00:31:14,720
Speaker 1: deserve So sha all weigh in. Tell me about the

537
00:31:15,040 --> 00:31:19,120
Speaker 1: discovery of Alison Foy's body and what does it mean

538
00:31:19,160 --> 00:31:23,200
Speaker 1: for insically? Well, she was stabbed over forty times, Nancy

539
00:31:23,280 --> 00:31:26,160
Speaker 1: in the front and the back of her chest, in

540
00:31:26,200 --> 00:31:31,080
Speaker 1: her back. Um. The disposal site was off Carolina Beach Road,

541
00:31:31,560 --> 00:31:34,400
Speaker 1: so it's all kind of a main thoroughfare, but it's

542
00:31:34,440 --> 00:31:38,000
Speaker 1: in this little covid, this little wooded area, and it

543
00:31:38,120 --> 00:31:40,640
Speaker 1: was in the open. She hadn't been buried or anything

544
00:31:40,680 --> 00:31:45,160
Speaker 1: like that, which is critical to me. Um. And why

545
00:31:45,240 --> 00:31:46,960
Speaker 1: why do you say that, I think the same thing.

546
00:31:47,200 --> 00:31:50,800
Speaker 1: Why is it very important her body was not built

547
00:31:50,840 --> 00:31:55,360
Speaker 1: Because again she's found with another person. So you've got

548
00:31:55,400 --> 00:31:59,680
Speaker 1: two victims in the exact same area feet apart, and

549
00:31:59,720 --> 00:32:02,280
Speaker 1: that the fact they weren't buried but they have been

550
00:32:02,280 --> 00:32:06,400
Speaker 1: put there um a year apart, tells me that this

551
00:32:06,600 --> 00:32:10,240
Speaker 1: killer is not only very familiar with that area, he's

552
00:32:10,360 --> 00:32:15,080
Speaker 1: very comfortable in that area, meaning he probably revisits often

553
00:32:15,520 --> 00:32:19,040
Speaker 1: and somehow he's able to do it unseen, which tells

554
00:32:19,080 --> 00:32:22,440
Speaker 1: you another thing about him. He can go around town

555
00:32:22,800 --> 00:32:26,200
Speaker 1: and nobody focuses on him for some reason. So for example,

556
00:32:26,400 --> 00:32:29,760
Speaker 1: you know, you see a mail carrier truck, you see it,

557
00:32:29,800 --> 00:32:31,800
Speaker 1: but you don't really see it because you're used to

558
00:32:31,800 --> 00:32:35,400
Speaker 1: seeing them. You can dismiss that. You can dismiss FedEx

559
00:32:35,480 --> 00:32:38,280
Speaker 1: or a piece of delivery guy or a cable company

560
00:32:38,280 --> 00:32:42,720
Speaker 1: truck because you just whatever. So the primary suspect drives

561
00:32:42,800 --> 00:32:47,240
Speaker 1: a taxicab, so again he can part different places. He

562
00:32:47,280 --> 00:32:50,880
Speaker 1: can basically hide in plain sight. So those things are

563
00:32:50,920 --> 00:32:53,680
Speaker 1: connected to me, they're obvious to me in that regard.

564
00:32:54,000 --> 00:32:59,480
Speaker 1: For over two years, Lisa Valentino suspected her sister was

565
00:32:59,560 --> 00:33:03,760
Speaker 1: dead and ask friends and strangers, please don't give up

566
00:33:03,800 --> 00:33:07,200
Speaker 1: trying to learn what happened to my sister. Then she

567
00:33:07,360 --> 00:33:13,719
Speaker 1: learns DNA testing confirms her sister, Alison Foy, just thirty

568
00:33:13,760 --> 00:33:18,080
Speaker 1: four years old, is one of two women whose bones

569
00:33:18,120 --> 00:33:23,120
Speaker 1: were found in the woods off Carolina Beach Road. What

570
00:33:23,240 --> 00:33:27,960
Speaker 1: do you know about that area, Lisa Valentino, Carolina Beach Road?

571
00:33:28,440 --> 00:33:32,600
Speaker 1: Is it um for? Is it remote? Is it heavily wooded?

572
00:33:33,080 --> 00:33:36,240
Speaker 1: Is it near a trash dump? What is actually what

573
00:33:36,280 --> 00:33:38,480
Speaker 1: we have discovered about the area was used as a

574
00:33:38,560 --> 00:33:42,640
Speaker 1: kind of cut through area. UM a lot and also

575
00:33:43,080 --> 00:33:46,320
Speaker 1: as a sex area at the crime scene. There were

576
00:33:46,680 --> 00:33:49,600
Speaker 1: dozens and dozens of condoms and it was a place

577
00:33:49,680 --> 00:33:55,120
Speaker 1: that people would go have sex. Um there there was

578
00:33:55,160 --> 00:33:58,520
Speaker 1: a one restaurant. I wonder if they took I wonder

579
00:33:58,560 --> 00:34:02,120
Speaker 1: if they took the condo, Cheryl McCollum, just in the

580
00:34:02,200 --> 00:34:06,880
Speaker 1: remote possibility that not that I think a killer slash

581
00:34:06,960 --> 00:34:10,760
Speaker 1: rapist is going to use the condom, but just in case.

582
00:34:10,920 --> 00:34:14,319
Speaker 1: You never never know. But Nancy, I had a chance

583
00:34:14,360 --> 00:34:17,799
Speaker 1: to walk that PROMI scene with Lisa Valentino, tell me,

584
00:34:17,960 --> 00:34:20,840
Speaker 1: and it's amazing to me the track and the debris

585
00:34:20,840 --> 00:34:23,680
Speaker 1: that is still there. And I'm like you, you know,

586
00:34:23,760 --> 00:34:26,440
Speaker 1: you might want to go back, and you know, scavenge

587
00:34:26,480 --> 00:34:28,719
Speaker 1: again every now and then. Well didn't they find she

588
00:34:28,840 --> 00:34:32,719
Speaker 1: was wearing a pink sleeveless top. Didn't they find that there? Yeah?

589
00:34:32,760 --> 00:34:38,080
Speaker 1: Well absolutely not. Not only did they find that's my

590
00:34:39,000 --> 00:34:42,560
Speaker 1: I forgot how many months later was actually six weeks.

591
00:34:42,719 --> 00:34:45,400
Speaker 1: Six weeks later, I went back to visit the site,

592
00:34:45,520 --> 00:34:48,280
Speaker 1: even though it wasn't confirmed that that was my sister,

593
00:34:48,320 --> 00:34:49,920
Speaker 1: but just because I felt I had to be there

594
00:34:49,960 --> 00:34:53,319
Speaker 1: and see it. And the problem. Entering the site, there

595
00:34:53,320 --> 00:34:55,560
Speaker 1: were more there were bones sounds. I was with my

596
00:34:55,640 --> 00:34:58,680
Speaker 1: friend that he's like, what's this crime seem how to

597
00:34:58,880 --> 00:35:01,359
Speaker 1: come back? And they ended up being more remains of

598
00:35:01,360 --> 00:35:05,640
Speaker 1: my sister six weeks initially after she was already recovered. Okay,

599
00:35:05,680 --> 00:35:09,359
Speaker 1: that is very upsetting to me, Cheryl that like they

600
00:35:09,440 --> 00:35:14,440
Speaker 1: was placed there has to come and find her sister's bones.

601
00:35:14,800 --> 00:35:18,920
Speaker 1: That is that's bad for a civilian to come in

602
00:35:19,120 --> 00:35:24,240
Speaker 1: unearthed bones. Where were the bones, Lisa Valentino, That's bad.

603
00:35:25,280 --> 00:35:28,520
Speaker 1: It's almost like they were never Like it was almost

604
00:35:28,560 --> 00:35:31,640
Speaker 1: like somebody knew I was in town how because often

605
00:35:31,680 --> 00:35:34,520
Speaker 1: the press would you know, the media would say I

606
00:35:34,560 --> 00:35:37,360
Speaker 1: was coming back and we were meeting press actually to

607
00:35:37,440 --> 00:35:40,160
Speaker 1: do an interview, and we had gotten there before then

608
00:35:40,680 --> 00:35:44,800
Speaker 1: and they were just laying on top of leaves and

609
00:35:45,000 --> 00:35:49,200
Speaker 1: tying um needles as if someone had placed them there

610
00:35:50,200 --> 00:35:54,279
Speaker 1: almost like that is scary. That is very scary that

611
00:35:54,719 --> 00:35:57,920
Speaker 1: either a the crime sine text didn't find it from

612
00:35:57,920 --> 00:36:01,359
Speaker 1: the medical Examiner's office as well, or be someone had

613
00:36:01,640 --> 00:36:06,000
Speaker 1: placed that there isn't this behind a Mexican restaurant that

614
00:36:06,120 --> 00:36:09,440
Speaker 1: was closed. There's like a narrow strip of woods behind

615
00:36:09,440 --> 00:36:13,279
Speaker 1: this Mexican restaurant. Uh to describe the scene a little

616
00:36:13,280 --> 00:36:17,160
Speaker 1: bit more. Cheryl mccollumn me, it's right off the road.

617
00:36:17,239 --> 00:36:19,960
Speaker 1: So here you have this Mexican restaurant. It's got like

618
00:36:20,000 --> 00:36:23,520
Speaker 1: a driveway that you pull in. You can park right there,

619
00:36:23,560 --> 00:36:25,600
Speaker 1: and there's a patch of graphs that you can easily

620
00:36:25,719 --> 00:36:28,440
Speaker 1: chip a golf ball across. It's not far and you

621
00:36:28,640 --> 00:36:31,719
Speaker 1: then you in this little wooded line of trees. It's

622
00:36:31,719 --> 00:36:34,600
Speaker 1: not a huge wooded area, but it's it's enough trees

623
00:36:34,680 --> 00:36:38,120
Speaker 1: to give cover. And then there's this little divid there's

624
00:36:38,120 --> 00:36:41,480
Speaker 1: a COVID there and that's where the bodies were. Um,

625
00:36:41,520 --> 00:36:43,520
Speaker 1: but I'll tell you something that was fascinating to me

626
00:36:44,160 --> 00:36:46,120
Speaker 1: when we were at the crime scene. I got Lisa

627
00:36:46,160 --> 00:36:49,160
Speaker 1: to take me to the pub. I mean it's right there.

628
00:36:49,239 --> 00:36:51,399
Speaker 1: I mean it's three and a half miles. And then

629
00:36:51,680 --> 00:36:54,680
Speaker 1: from the crime scene to where the main suspect lived.

630
00:36:55,880 --> 00:36:59,000
Speaker 1: This is something that stuck out. There's a cell phone

631
00:36:59,040 --> 00:37:03,240
Speaker 1: tower at the crime scene the body disposal sight. As

632
00:37:03,280 --> 00:37:06,719
Speaker 1: she's driving me to the main suspects home. Every now

633
00:37:06,800 --> 00:37:08,960
Speaker 1: and then I look up. I can still see that tower.

634
00:37:09,280 --> 00:37:11,040
Speaker 1: I can still see it. I can still see it

635
00:37:11,680 --> 00:37:15,759
Speaker 1: from his driveway. As the crow flies you can see

636
00:37:15,760 --> 00:37:20,120
Speaker 1: that tower. So again, to me, if somebody wanted to revisit,

637
00:37:20,239 --> 00:37:22,719
Speaker 1: often straight out of their backyard is a good way

638
00:37:22,760 --> 00:37:25,080
Speaker 1: to do it. Because at this site you had no

639
00:37:25,200 --> 00:37:27,720
Speaker 1: posing of victims, You had no staging of the victims.

640
00:37:27,760 --> 00:37:31,920
Speaker 1: That was no ritual. This was literally where they were placed.

641
00:37:32,360 --> 00:37:36,200
Speaker 1: He appears to me to be like a hunter type

642
00:37:36,280 --> 00:37:39,799
Speaker 1: killer um opportunistic in a way, like he's gonna use

643
00:37:39,840 --> 00:37:46,160
Speaker 1: his cab. Once they get in the cab, he's in control. Now.

644
00:37:46,640 --> 00:37:52,080
Speaker 1: It's my understanding also that a search then ensued and

645
00:37:52,440 --> 00:37:56,680
Speaker 1: at once her bones were identified. Uh, And that was

646
00:37:56,760 --> 00:38:00,719
Speaker 1: several months later. About five months later, a search goes

647
00:38:00,800 --> 00:38:04,200
Speaker 1: down of a man that had been accused of raping

648
00:38:04,320 --> 00:38:10,520
Speaker 1: a prostitute. Is that correct, Cheryl? Correct? What happened? Well,

649
00:38:11,000 --> 00:38:16,359
Speaker 1: the third victim now comes forward, and you know they're

650
00:38:16,360 --> 00:38:19,120
Speaker 1: telling this story that he took me here to this restaurant,

651
00:38:19,440 --> 00:38:23,840
Speaker 1: he beat me. Um somehow she's able to escate him,

652
00:38:23,880 --> 00:38:29,160
Speaker 1: and it becomes the primary suspect and these other two murders,

653
00:38:29,239 --> 00:38:32,640
Speaker 1: and again he takes why why why did he become

654
00:38:32,680 --> 00:38:35,920
Speaker 1: a suspect? He gets another woman, he beats her, he

655
00:38:35,960 --> 00:38:40,080
Speaker 1: assaults her. How did he then get tied into Alison,

656
00:38:40,320 --> 00:38:42,600
Speaker 1: took her to the same place, the same Mexican restaurant,

657
00:38:42,640 --> 00:38:47,400
Speaker 1: the same area, same cab, same kind of day. How

658
00:38:47,640 --> 00:38:52,360
Speaker 1: how is he a legitimate cab driver? He probably legitimate

659
00:38:52,400 --> 00:38:56,160
Speaker 1: cab driver, but he does a twist. Instead of using

660
00:38:56,200 --> 00:38:59,359
Speaker 1: the cab company phone number, he uses his private cell

661
00:38:59,360 --> 00:39:03,080
Speaker 1: phone number. And so what law uniforms have found. Afterwards,

662
00:39:03,080 --> 00:39:05,600
Speaker 1: they interviewed a lot of the prostitutes in town. They

663
00:39:05,640 --> 00:39:08,719
Speaker 1: all knew him, and they said, yeah, we would all

664
00:39:08,840 --> 00:39:10,600
Speaker 1: you know, call him on his cell phone. He would

665
00:39:10,640 --> 00:39:12,880
Speaker 1: come pick us up and if we didn't have money

666
00:39:12,880 --> 00:39:15,160
Speaker 1: for a ride, he would give us a ride in

667
00:39:15,239 --> 00:39:18,560
Speaker 1: exchange for a sexual favor. So they would. But how well,

668
00:39:18,560 --> 00:39:21,600
Speaker 1: I don't understand when Alan, when Alison calls a cab,

669
00:39:21,840 --> 00:39:24,759
Speaker 1: how did she didn't call somebody's private cell number? Did she?

670
00:39:25,040 --> 00:39:27,480
Speaker 1: And this guy walks in and says, who asked for

671
00:39:27,480 --> 00:39:33,520
Speaker 1: a cab? Right the the bar if I may, I'm sorry.

672
00:39:34,040 --> 00:39:37,200
Speaker 1: The bar all knew him, and what they would do

673
00:39:37,200 --> 00:39:41,680
Speaker 1: down here is and he was this suspect was actually offcuty.

674
00:39:41,800 --> 00:39:43,600
Speaker 1: And this is how cab drivers down here at the

675
00:39:43,640 --> 00:39:47,000
Speaker 1: time would make extra money. They called his private cell

676
00:39:47,040 --> 00:39:50,320
Speaker 1: phone and said there's a fair here, and he would

677
00:39:50,320 --> 00:39:53,239
Speaker 1: come and pick them up there. Their taxis at the

678
00:39:53,280 --> 00:39:55,640
Speaker 1: time didn't even go back to the company's when they're

679
00:39:55,680 --> 00:40:00,040
Speaker 1: done driving. They keep them at their home. So that

680
00:40:00,239 --> 00:40:03,680
Speaker 1: is how it happened, that part of his m O nancy.

681
00:40:03,880 --> 00:40:06,239
Speaker 1: It's totally off the books. The cab company couldn't tell

682
00:40:06,320 --> 00:40:08,960
Speaker 1: law enforcement when he picked up a fair where he

683
00:40:09,040 --> 00:40:11,520
Speaker 1: dropped off a fair because they didn't know. He didn't

684
00:40:11,520 --> 00:40:13,640
Speaker 1: tell them. He was doing it all on his own.

685
00:40:14,880 --> 00:40:17,960
Speaker 1: So tell me this the one woman who lived to

686
00:40:18,000 --> 00:40:22,160
Speaker 1: tell the tale. After he takes her too, I guess

687
00:40:22,200 --> 00:40:25,640
Speaker 1: behind is the Mexican restaurant closed? I understood it was shuddered?

688
00:40:25,960 --> 00:40:31,440
Speaker 1: Is it working again? Still closed? So he takes her

689
00:40:31,480 --> 00:40:33,960
Speaker 1: back to this burial ground, so to speak. If she

690
00:40:34,040 --> 00:40:38,680
Speaker 1: manages to get away, correct she actually, I think I

691
00:40:38,760 --> 00:40:41,880
Speaker 1: think what happened was and and was that he had

692
00:40:41,960 --> 00:40:44,719
Speaker 1: pulled in to get a soda somewhere, and she was

693
00:40:44,840 --> 00:40:48,239
Speaker 1: duct tape, And I think that's what happened. Somehow did

694
00:40:48,239 --> 00:40:53,440
Speaker 1: you say, did you say duct tape? Duck paperhands? Where

695
00:40:53,560 --> 00:40:57,440
Speaker 1: du tape? She manages to kick and somehow get out

696
00:40:57,440 --> 00:40:59,560
Speaker 1: of the van and run across the street and someone

697
00:40:59,600 --> 00:41:03,279
Speaker 1: calls law enforcement and that and and they arrest him

698
00:41:03,360 --> 00:41:06,960
Speaker 1: and um, you know, they speak with her. But unfortunately

699
00:41:06,960 --> 00:41:10,520
Speaker 1: what happens is at the time that this woman, um,

700
00:41:10,600 --> 00:41:13,640
Speaker 1: who was living this life, was frightened and had been

701
00:41:13,640 --> 00:41:15,919
Speaker 1: doing drugs, and she never shows up for her quarter feet.

702
00:41:16,520 --> 00:41:21,279
Speaker 1: And so we are talking about I'm gonna go ahead

703
00:41:21,280 --> 00:41:24,040
Speaker 1: and put his name out there is Timothy ian Oney,

704
00:41:24,440 --> 00:41:28,920
Speaker 1: a former Ports City cab driver. That's who we're talking about.

705
00:41:29,239 --> 00:41:31,719
Speaker 1: So because she had been using drugs, she didn't want

706
00:41:31,719 --> 00:41:34,600
Speaker 1: to come to court. What happened then, Cheryl, he took

707
00:41:34,600 --> 00:41:37,880
Speaker 1: a plea and it was reduced to almost nothing. But again,

708
00:41:38,280 --> 00:41:41,200
Speaker 1: now you've got not just a parallel investigation, but you

709
00:41:41,239 --> 00:41:46,839
Speaker 1: mean plea for the molestation or the assault on the

710
00:41:46,920 --> 00:41:50,320
Speaker 1: woman who had been duckt taped, but because she used drugs,

711
00:41:50,320 --> 00:41:52,520
Speaker 1: didn't come to create and I believe the actual plea

712
00:41:52,640 --> 00:41:55,000
Speaker 1: was for like having sex in public or something. It

713
00:41:55,040 --> 00:41:59,400
Speaker 1: was nothing originally, Okay, So then what happen had this

714
00:41:59,560 --> 00:42:03,200
Speaker 1: parallel case going on with Alison and Angela, the two

715
00:42:03,280 --> 00:42:05,840
Speaker 1: victims found in the wooded area, but now you have

716
00:42:05,920 --> 00:42:09,720
Speaker 1: a third victim. So by any accounts, Nancy, you're talking

717
00:42:09,719 --> 00:42:13,000
Speaker 1: about a serial killer. That's what you're talking about because

718
00:42:13,040 --> 00:42:16,239
Speaker 1: he which means they're likely other victims. That tell me

719
00:42:17,080 --> 00:42:21,520
Speaker 1: what you know about the other victim, Cheryl Angela. Well,

720
00:42:21,560 --> 00:42:24,920
Speaker 1: Angela was also a prostitute at the time. Um, she

721
00:42:25,000 --> 00:42:27,959
Speaker 1: was living you know, that lifestyle as well. She may

722
00:42:28,239 --> 00:42:31,200
Speaker 1: there's some believe that she may have also been familiar

723
00:42:31,600 --> 00:42:35,160
Speaker 1: with Timothy Ione and you know, may have Willie got

724
00:42:35,160 --> 00:42:36,920
Speaker 1: in the car with him for a ride before he

725
00:42:37,000 --> 00:42:42,000
Speaker 1: also assaulted and murdered her. So again there's these these

726
00:42:42,120 --> 00:42:45,960
Speaker 1: you know, victims that didn't get the attention that possibly

727
00:42:46,000 --> 00:42:49,560
Speaker 1: they should have. Alison did, and that's the great news.

728
00:42:49,840 --> 00:42:53,800
Speaker 1: Her family was there, she didn't. Where does it stand now, Cheryl,

729
00:42:54,200 --> 00:42:58,640
Speaker 1: It's it's still open being investigated, Nancy. We're trying to

730
00:42:58,719 --> 00:43:01,040
Speaker 1: get the d A to take this case to the

731
00:43:01,040 --> 00:43:04,879
Speaker 1: grand jury. That's our number one request at this time.

732
00:43:05,400 --> 00:43:09,040
Speaker 1: He's got enough. Can I ask you what if anything

733
00:43:09,640 --> 00:43:13,120
Speaker 1: actually links him other than the third witness who did

734
00:43:13,120 --> 00:43:16,680
Speaker 1: not come to court to these two women. Can anybody

735
00:43:16,680 --> 00:43:20,000
Speaker 1: in the bar identify him as coming in saying that

736
00:43:20,080 --> 00:43:22,840
Speaker 1: who needs a cab? Can anybody say I called a

737
00:43:22,880 --> 00:43:26,160
Speaker 1: cell number to come pick her up? Can do we

738
00:43:26,200 --> 00:43:30,759
Speaker 1: have any witness like that, Well, we do, we do.

739
00:43:31,040 --> 00:43:33,839
Speaker 1: We don't have someone for sure who could say with him.

740
00:43:33,880 --> 00:43:37,560
Speaker 1: There's been sketches done, there have been other people have

741
00:43:37,600 --> 00:43:39,640
Speaker 1: come forward and said they saw a cad pulls up

742
00:43:39,640 --> 00:43:43,239
Speaker 1: in the woods um with parks one night. I mean,

743
00:43:43,280 --> 00:43:45,879
Speaker 1: there's a ton if I if I could just say this,

744
00:43:46,960 --> 00:43:51,600
Speaker 1: law enforcement believe this is the guy. I think everybody

745
00:43:51,640 --> 00:43:54,879
Speaker 1: here believes this is the guy. And there's so much

746
00:43:54,880 --> 00:44:01,359
Speaker 1: circumstantial evidence, but unfortunately there's no DNA evidence blinking him

747
00:44:01,680 --> 00:44:05,360
Speaker 1: uh to the scene. And I I know in my

748
00:44:05,440 --> 00:44:08,120
Speaker 1: heart what's gonna happen is this is it? I've basically

749
00:44:08,160 --> 00:44:10,719
Speaker 1: been told. Unless short of a miracle or a confession

750
00:44:11,360 --> 00:44:15,439
Speaker 1: or anything else, there's no you know, this is where.

751
00:44:15,640 --> 00:44:18,080
Speaker 1: This is where it kind of ends. Even with a

752
00:44:18,080 --> 00:44:20,399
Speaker 1: new witness over the last year, who was another camp

753
00:44:20,480 --> 00:44:24,000
Speaker 1: driver who finally came forward and said I saw him

754
00:44:24,040 --> 00:44:26,040
Speaker 1: at the bar. So yes, you do have that. There

755
00:44:26,120 --> 00:44:29,480
Speaker 1: was a new witness who stepped forward with more information.

756
00:44:29,520 --> 00:44:32,959
Speaker 1: But that's not enough either. That's not enough. We need

757
00:44:32,960 --> 00:44:36,640
Speaker 1: your help. We need your help to solve the murder

758
00:44:37,120 --> 00:44:42,880
Speaker 1: of Alison Foy, along with we don't know how many others.

759
00:44:43,480 --> 00:44:48,280
Speaker 1: The tip line zero three four, three three six zero

760
00:44:48,480 --> 00:44:54,160
Speaker 1: repeat zo three three three six to zero. If this

761
00:44:54,239 --> 00:44:59,560
Speaker 1: were your daughter, your sister, your wife, what you want

762
00:45:00,280 --> 00:56:36,080
Speaker 1: justice I. Nancy Grace cried his stories, signing off goodbye

763
00:45:06,000 --> 00:55:58,960
Speaker 1: to me. Sssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss saisus