1 00:00:00,440 --> 00:00:02,519 Speaker 1: Welcome to Good Game with Sarah Spain, where New Year's 2 00:00:02,560 --> 00:00:04,720 Speaker 1: Eve has passed, but we're still waiting for balls to 3 00:00:04,840 --> 00:00:09,160 Speaker 1: drop the politicians, executives and media members who won't sack 4 00:00:09,240 --> 00:00:12,360 Speaker 1: up and call out the dangerous, inhumane, abhorrent policies of 5 00:00:12,400 --> 00:00:16,880 Speaker 1: the President and his administration. It's Thursday, January First Happy 6 00:00:17,000 --> 00:00:20,400 Speaker 1: New Year's Slices. This week, we continue to revisit some 7 00:00:20,480 --> 00:00:24,000 Speaker 1: of our favorite conversations from twenty twenty five. Today, we're 8 00:00:24,079 --> 00:00:26,439 Speaker 1: running back my chat with Paige Jones, member of the 9 00:00:26,560 --> 00:00:29,720 Speaker 1: US national ski jumping team, who joined us in mid August, 10 00:00:29,720 --> 00:00:32,200 Speaker 1: to share a concerning experience she had during the body 11 00:00:32,200 --> 00:00:35,800 Speaker 1: inspection process before the season began. Jones explained why a 12 00:00:35,880 --> 00:00:39,000 Speaker 1: scandal involving altered ski jumping suits has resulted in more 13 00:00:39,080 --> 00:00:43,239 Speaker 1: intense examinations, detailed just what the heck a crotch machine is, 14 00:00:43,600 --> 00:00:46,880 Speaker 1: and astro sports governing body to better prioritize athlete comfort 15 00:00:46,920 --> 00:00:49,640 Speaker 1: and safety. Also, we've included an update from page and 16 00:00:49,680 --> 00:00:52,559 Speaker 1: an update about gender equity at the International Ski and 17 00:00:52,600 --> 00:00:53,599 Speaker 1: Snowboarding Federation. 18 00:00:53,680 --> 00:00:55,400 Speaker 2: It's at the end of the interview, so make sure 19 00:00:55,400 --> 00:00:56,160 Speaker 2: to stick around for that. 20 00:01:02,560 --> 00:01:05,000 Speaker 1: Joining us now she likes to fly downhill at sixty 21 00:01:05,000 --> 00:01:07,240 Speaker 1: miles per hour and then fly the length of a 22 00:01:07,240 --> 00:01:10,400 Speaker 1: football field, you know, for a job. She's on the 23 00:01:10,480 --> 00:01:12,720 Speaker 1: US national ski jumping team, one of the top US 24 00:01:12,800 --> 00:01:14,679 Speaker 1: women in the sport. Has been named a six national 25 00:01:14,680 --> 00:01:16,400 Speaker 1: teams and three World Championship teams. 26 00:01:16,400 --> 00:01:18,280 Speaker 2: In twenty twenty one, she became the first. 27 00:01:18,000 --> 00:01:20,800 Speaker 1: Woman to jump a large hill at a World Championships event. 28 00:01:21,040 --> 00:01:24,600 Speaker 1: She's studying biomedical engineering with a pre dental track at 29 00:01:24,680 --> 00:01:26,920 Speaker 1: University of North Dakota and she got engaged on the 30 00:01:26,920 --> 00:01:28,759 Speaker 1: side of a mountain in Slovakia a few months ago. 31 00:01:28,800 --> 00:01:30,520 Speaker 1: It's Paige Jones high page. 32 00:01:31,120 --> 00:01:32,600 Speaker 3: Hi, thank you so much for having me. 33 00:01:33,280 --> 00:01:35,160 Speaker 2: I got engaged on Safari and I thought that was 34 00:01:35,200 --> 00:01:35,760 Speaker 2: pretty rad. 35 00:01:35,840 --> 00:01:38,360 Speaker 1: But the hiking up a side of a mountain and 36 00:01:38,400 --> 00:01:40,320 Speaker 1: then popping the question is even better. 37 00:01:40,480 --> 00:01:43,039 Speaker 3: It was pretty good. What was actually the most exciting 38 00:01:43,120 --> 00:01:46,080 Speaker 3: was the hike back down. It was eventful. 39 00:01:46,920 --> 00:01:48,680 Speaker 1: I was gonna say, I feel like when someone who's 40 00:01:48,680 --> 00:01:51,120 Speaker 1: a ski jumper says exciting, what you mean is dangerous 41 00:01:51,160 --> 00:01:52,000 Speaker 1: and life threatening. 42 00:01:52,440 --> 00:01:54,960 Speaker 2: Yeah. Perfect, I'm glad that. 43 00:01:55,760 --> 00:01:57,720 Speaker 1: You know what It's like the Bachelor, they always make 44 00:01:57,760 --> 00:01:59,800 Speaker 1: him jump off a building. It'll probably only brought you 45 00:01:59,800 --> 00:02:03,720 Speaker 1: too closer. They say that people in dangerous situations together 46 00:02:03,800 --> 00:02:05,720 Speaker 1: start to feel more attached. So if you and your 47 00:02:05,760 --> 00:02:08,600 Speaker 1: fiance weren't already, you know, halfway to the altar, it 48 00:02:08,639 --> 00:02:09,400 Speaker 1: probably helped. 49 00:02:09,919 --> 00:02:12,320 Speaker 3: No truly, and he does lose, so he's also kind 50 00:02:12,320 --> 00:02:15,359 Speaker 3: of an adrenaline junkie. So together we kind of are 51 00:02:15,360 --> 00:02:16,520 Speaker 3: fine with dangerous things. 52 00:02:16,800 --> 00:02:17,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, perfect match. 53 00:02:18,520 --> 00:02:21,839 Speaker 1: We're going to get into this ongoing controversy surrounding ski 54 00:02:21,960 --> 00:02:24,160 Speaker 1: jumping suits and an experience that you had at a 55 00:02:24,160 --> 00:02:26,520 Speaker 1: recent competition. But first, I just want to go back 56 00:02:26,520 --> 00:02:29,040 Speaker 1: to your early years in the sport. I'm guessing that 57 00:02:29,120 --> 00:02:31,760 Speaker 1: most of our listeners have never even seen a ski 58 00:02:31,880 --> 00:02:34,320 Speaker 1: jump in real life, not to mention attempted to jump 59 00:02:34,360 --> 00:02:36,680 Speaker 1: off one. So how did you first get started in 60 00:02:36,720 --> 00:02:37,440 Speaker 1: this wild sport? 61 00:02:37,760 --> 00:02:40,520 Speaker 3: So? I grew up in Park City, Utah, which is 62 00:02:40,760 --> 00:02:43,120 Speaker 3: the location of a lot of the events for the 63 00:02:43,120 --> 00:02:46,160 Speaker 3: two thousand and two Winter Olympic Games. So I grew 64 00:02:46,240 --> 00:02:48,600 Speaker 3: up like right underneath the shadow of the Utalympic Park. 65 00:02:48,800 --> 00:02:51,600 Speaker 3: And in Park City they have this program called Get 66 00:02:51,639 --> 00:02:54,720 Speaker 3: Out and Play where they have like elementary school age 67 00:02:54,800 --> 00:02:57,920 Speaker 3: kids go up to the we call the UOP, but 68 00:02:58,040 --> 00:03:01,160 Speaker 3: the Utah Olympic Park to trial sports. So I tried 69 00:03:01,200 --> 00:03:06,120 Speaker 3: like ski racing, freestyle skiing, Nordic skiing, and my sister 70 00:03:06,280 --> 00:03:09,640 Speaker 3: was better at every single one than me other than 71 00:03:09,680 --> 00:03:13,120 Speaker 3: ski jumping. So I really like ski jumping at that 72 00:03:13,160 --> 00:03:14,720 Speaker 3: point in time because it's the only one I was 73 00:03:14,760 --> 00:03:18,160 Speaker 3: better at my sister then. But ski jumping is very 74 00:03:18,160 --> 00:03:21,200 Speaker 3: interesting when you're younger because you get to progress so fast. 75 00:03:21,600 --> 00:03:23,560 Speaker 3: So they start you out on a five meter hill 76 00:03:23,760 --> 00:03:26,440 Speaker 3: and then it progresses to like ten meters twenty meter, 77 00:03:27,320 --> 00:03:29,320 Speaker 3: and I think that idea of like getting to jump 78 00:03:29,360 --> 00:03:31,280 Speaker 3: bigger and bigger hills is really what drew me in 79 00:03:31,320 --> 00:03:32,240 Speaker 3: and kept me in the sport. 80 00:03:32,400 --> 00:03:34,240 Speaker 1: Yeah. I have friends who live in Park City and 81 00:03:34,280 --> 00:03:39,120 Speaker 1: their son is just a crazy skier, like doing things 82 00:03:39,160 --> 00:03:41,640 Speaker 1: that I would never try to do even at my peak, 83 00:03:41,720 --> 00:03:44,320 Speaker 1: and he's a kid, So I get that that place 84 00:03:44,400 --> 00:03:48,160 Speaker 1: sort of raises youngsters who are willing to try the 85 00:03:48,200 --> 00:03:50,880 Speaker 1: tough stuff. I actually love seeing the behind the scenes 86 00:03:50,960 --> 00:03:53,800 Speaker 1: videos of people training for dangerous sports. 87 00:03:54,360 --> 00:03:55,520 Speaker 2: Are there any quirky or. 88 00:03:55,560 --> 00:03:57,960 Speaker 1: Unique ways to practice or learn how to ski jump 89 00:03:58,000 --> 00:03:59,800 Speaker 1: without the danger when you're first starting out or when 90 00:03:59,800 --> 00:04:01,960 Speaker 1: you're you know, advancing to a bigger hill. 91 00:04:02,280 --> 00:04:04,160 Speaker 3: I honestly, like, I don't think I'll ever work out 92 00:04:04,200 --> 00:04:06,400 Speaker 3: in a public gym while I'm still a ski jumper. Like, 93 00:04:06,440 --> 00:04:08,440 Speaker 3: a lot of this stuff we do is just really funky. 94 00:04:08,920 --> 00:04:11,440 Speaker 3: I'd say probably the most interesting thing that we do. 95 00:04:11,480 --> 00:04:14,560 Speaker 3: We call them catches, but we get in our like 96 00:04:14,600 --> 00:04:17,520 Speaker 3: inrun or tuck position on a roller board, and then 97 00:04:17,680 --> 00:04:20,200 Speaker 3: we jump and our coach catches us and lifts us 98 00:04:20,320 --> 00:04:22,000 Speaker 3: above his head. So it's kind of like the dirty 99 00:04:22,080 --> 00:04:25,039 Speaker 3: dancing lift, but we do that to practice the like 100 00:04:25,160 --> 00:04:27,039 Speaker 3: take off and into the flight. 101 00:04:27,360 --> 00:04:30,360 Speaker 1: Interesting, why wouldn't there just be some sort of indoor 102 00:04:30,920 --> 00:04:34,039 Speaker 1: slide or something where you go into the little pit 103 00:04:34,120 --> 00:04:35,039 Speaker 1: full of foam. 104 00:04:35,640 --> 00:04:38,800 Speaker 3: We have where you can like do that and then 105 00:04:38,880 --> 00:04:41,880 Speaker 3: land on a pad. But what it misses is this 106 00:04:42,000 --> 00:04:44,000 Speaker 3: kind of like continuation into the flight, because when you 107 00:04:44,080 --> 00:04:46,960 Speaker 3: land and you hit a pad, you stop and ins 108 00:04:46,960 --> 00:04:49,359 Speaker 3: ski jumping. While you're in the air, you're kind of 109 00:04:49,400 --> 00:04:52,200 Speaker 3: constantly trying to rotate to stay on top of your skis, 110 00:04:52,400 --> 00:04:55,719 Speaker 3: so having the coach catch you kind of imitates that better. 111 00:04:56,080 --> 00:05:00,480 Speaker 1: That's wild, okay, all right, So Jennifer Grame and Patrick 112 00:05:00,480 --> 00:05:03,200 Speaker 1: Swayze might have been a great duo for the ski jumps. 113 00:05:03,200 --> 00:05:06,280 Speaker 2: They they never never got the chance. Tell me about 114 00:05:06,320 --> 00:05:07,599 Speaker 2: the shark socks that you wear. 115 00:05:08,080 --> 00:05:10,040 Speaker 3: That's just kind of like a fun thing that started. 116 00:05:10,120 --> 00:05:13,839 Speaker 3: I'm really into sharks, and I think that competing should 117 00:05:13,839 --> 00:05:15,839 Speaker 3: be fun. So one of my ways to kind of 118 00:05:15,920 --> 00:05:19,920 Speaker 3: keep competing fun is by wearing shark socks don my competition. 119 00:05:20,040 --> 00:05:23,080 Speaker 3: So I have quite the collection. If anybody doesn't know 120 00:05:23,120 --> 00:05:24,880 Speaker 3: what to give me for like a birthday or whatever, 121 00:05:24,960 --> 00:05:28,280 Speaker 3: shark socks is usually a pretty good get. But yeah, 122 00:05:28,320 --> 00:05:29,320 Speaker 3: just a way to keep it fun. 123 00:05:29,800 --> 00:05:32,320 Speaker 2: It does seem fun but also very scary. 124 00:05:32,960 --> 00:05:36,320 Speaker 1: What kind of mental prep do you do for competitions 125 00:05:36,400 --> 00:05:39,360 Speaker 1: and how much do you have to self regulate your 126 00:05:39,400 --> 00:05:42,640 Speaker 1: nervous system and other things before you're about to compete. 127 00:05:42,400 --> 00:05:45,679 Speaker 3: I'd say quite a lot. Ski jumping, like what really 128 00:05:45,720 --> 00:05:49,120 Speaker 3: matters takes like less than a second, which is the takeoff, 129 00:05:49,760 --> 00:05:51,719 Speaker 3: so like you have to be really locked in for 130 00:05:51,839 --> 00:05:55,800 Speaker 3: such a short period of time. For me, I'm a chatter, 131 00:05:56,120 --> 00:05:59,880 Speaker 3: so like I like to talk to everybody and anybody 132 00:06:00,040 --> 00:06:01,680 Speaker 3: up until the point where I'm actually going to go 133 00:06:01,720 --> 00:06:05,160 Speaker 3: take my jump, which kind of helps me stay not stressed. 134 00:06:05,960 --> 00:06:08,599 Speaker 3: This past season, I actually started jumping with earplugs in 135 00:06:09,680 --> 00:06:12,760 Speaker 3: so that I can't hear the announcers, because for me, 136 00:06:12,800 --> 00:06:15,120 Speaker 3: it's better if I don't know how far everybody is going, 137 00:06:15,480 --> 00:06:17,240 Speaker 3: because if I know how far people are going, then 138 00:06:17,240 --> 00:06:19,680 Speaker 3: I'm like, I have to go like ninety meters or 139 00:06:19,680 --> 00:06:22,760 Speaker 3: I'm not going to make the second round. And then 140 00:06:23,400 --> 00:06:25,840 Speaker 3: I'm also on anti anxiety medication, which has helped a 141 00:06:25,880 --> 00:06:28,680 Speaker 3: lot with the mental side of things. But yeah, I 142 00:06:28,720 --> 00:06:31,240 Speaker 3: would say a lot of people compare ski jumping to golf, 143 00:06:31,520 --> 00:06:34,159 Speaker 3: where yes, there is like a physical aspect to it, 144 00:06:34,200 --> 00:06:36,360 Speaker 3: but I'd say it's almost more mental than physical. 145 00:06:36,640 --> 00:06:37,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, it certainly feels like it. 146 00:06:37,880 --> 00:06:40,440 Speaker 1: Just putting yourself out there and trying something requires a 147 00:06:40,440 --> 00:06:43,400 Speaker 1: lot of bravery and confidence and belief in yourself that 148 00:06:43,400 --> 00:06:45,440 Speaker 1: you're going to follow through with every little detail that's 149 00:06:45,480 --> 00:06:47,800 Speaker 1: required to be in the right position and do it safely. 150 00:06:47,880 --> 00:06:49,440 Speaker 3: Right, hmm, definitely. 151 00:06:49,680 --> 00:06:52,560 Speaker 1: All right, let's talk about a little background for our 152 00:06:52,560 --> 00:06:55,560 Speaker 1: listeners on the whole controversy that's going on in ski jumping, 153 00:06:55,760 --> 00:06:58,440 Speaker 1: because the last couple of years, and I guess in 154 00:06:58,480 --> 00:07:01,279 Speaker 1: general in the sport, there's a real benefit to getting 155 00:07:01,520 --> 00:07:04,960 Speaker 1: your suit just right. And this past March there were 156 00:07:04,960 --> 00:07:08,200 Speaker 1: five male Norwegian ski jumpers and three officials that were 157 00:07:08,240 --> 00:07:11,840 Speaker 1: suspended by the International Ski and Snowboard Federation accused of 158 00:07:11,920 --> 00:07:15,240 Speaker 1: cheating by altering the crotches of the team's ski suits. 159 00:07:15,560 --> 00:07:19,040 Speaker 1: So most of our listeners probably familiar with doping, using 160 00:07:19,120 --> 00:07:21,480 Speaker 1: performance enhancing drugs to get better, but the concept of 161 00:07:21,560 --> 00:07:24,160 Speaker 1: suit doping probably pretty new to them. So can you 162 00:07:24,200 --> 00:07:27,360 Speaker 1: explain what role the suit actually plays in ski jumping 163 00:07:27,360 --> 00:07:29,640 Speaker 1: and then the advantage athletes might try to get from 164 00:07:29,720 --> 00:07:32,680 Speaker 1: cheating by adjusting the crotch or somewhere else on the suit. 165 00:07:33,000 --> 00:07:35,880 Speaker 3: Yeah, So if you've ever seen like skydiving where people 166 00:07:35,920 --> 00:07:38,400 Speaker 3: like jump out of planes with these like squirrel suits on, 167 00:07:39,040 --> 00:07:41,760 Speaker 3: that's essentially what our ski jumping suit is for us. 168 00:07:41,800 --> 00:07:43,880 Speaker 3: And obviously the closer you can make it to a 169 00:07:43,920 --> 00:07:46,680 Speaker 3: squirrel suit, the better it's going to fly. So they're 170 00:07:46,720 --> 00:07:50,320 Speaker 3: all very highly regulated their standardized preach athlete like en 171 00:07:50,400 --> 00:07:53,240 Speaker 3: seam and height measurements to kind of prevent having like 172 00:07:53,240 --> 00:07:56,920 Speaker 3: a really low crotch to catch more air. And then 173 00:07:57,160 --> 00:08:00,240 Speaker 3: the other main rule is that the suit can't beier 174 00:08:00,280 --> 00:08:04,200 Speaker 3: than four centimeters of your body anywhere, So like if 175 00:08:04,200 --> 00:08:06,600 Speaker 3: I were to get equipment controlled, they could measure like 176 00:08:06,680 --> 00:08:09,080 Speaker 3: my thigh and then measure the thigh of my suit, 177 00:08:09,120 --> 00:08:12,960 Speaker 3: and if my suit is larger than four centimeters of 178 00:08:13,000 --> 00:08:16,080 Speaker 3: my thigh, then I would like be disqualified. Ski Jumping 179 00:08:16,120 --> 00:08:18,880 Speaker 3: is a very equipment heavy sport. I would say like, 180 00:08:18,920 --> 00:08:20,400 Speaker 3: if you have a good jump and you don't have 181 00:08:20,440 --> 00:08:24,800 Speaker 3: good equipment, you're going to probably jump shorter than somebody 182 00:08:24,840 --> 00:08:27,400 Speaker 3: with a bad jump and good equipment. So it really 183 00:08:28,080 --> 00:08:30,920 Speaker 3: is make or break, especially at the higher level, So 184 00:08:31,280 --> 00:08:33,880 Speaker 3: this is more of an issue at the World Cup, 185 00:08:33,960 --> 00:08:36,480 Speaker 3: specifically within the top fifteen jumpers. 186 00:08:36,920 --> 00:08:38,880 Speaker 1: It's so interesting because I would think that it would 187 00:08:38,920 --> 00:08:41,440 Speaker 1: be you'd want to be the most aero dynamic going 188 00:08:41,520 --> 00:08:43,440 Speaker 1: down so you could get as fast as possible. But 189 00:08:43,480 --> 00:08:45,800 Speaker 1: then it makes sense that once you're actually up quote 190 00:08:45,840 --> 00:08:48,560 Speaker 1: unquote flying, you want to find ways to have the 191 00:08:48,600 --> 00:08:51,360 Speaker 1: air booy used. So, like you mentioned, those squirrel suits 192 00:08:51,360 --> 00:08:54,400 Speaker 1: sort of have wings almost, but on a ski jumping suit, 193 00:08:54,440 --> 00:08:57,640 Speaker 1: in theory, it should just be the dimensions of your body. 194 00:08:58,200 --> 00:09:01,480 Speaker 1: So specifically, the is a place that they have to 195 00:09:01,520 --> 00:09:04,440 Speaker 1: closely regulate. I was looking at the guidelines for Measuring 196 00:09:04,480 --> 00:09:07,840 Speaker 1: and Control Procedure document that producer Alex sent me, which 197 00:09:07,880 --> 00:09:11,240 Speaker 1: is very detailed, and there's a whole section called crotch control. 198 00:09:11,960 --> 00:09:13,000 Speaker 2: What does that entail? 199 00:09:13,160 --> 00:09:15,160 Speaker 1: And is this something that athletes are just like used 200 00:09:15,200 --> 00:09:17,559 Speaker 1: to in ski jumping that there's it reminds me of 201 00:09:17,600 --> 00:09:20,520 Speaker 1: the old print song. I won't say the name, but yeah, 202 00:09:20,559 --> 00:09:22,040 Speaker 1: like tell me about crotch control. 203 00:09:22,280 --> 00:09:24,440 Speaker 3: Yeah, there's a lot of crotch talk. We'll call it 204 00:09:25,800 --> 00:09:27,840 Speaker 3: the en seam if we don't want to go with 205 00:09:27,880 --> 00:09:31,480 Speaker 3: the word. Crotch is the only measurement that they're checking 206 00:09:31,520 --> 00:09:35,080 Speaker 3: on every single person prior to their jump. So before jumping, 207 00:09:35,160 --> 00:09:38,560 Speaker 3: we get something we call the crotch machine, and it 208 00:09:38,600 --> 00:09:41,240 Speaker 3: has this like little lever that comes up and they'll 209 00:09:41,240 --> 00:09:43,200 Speaker 3: put it at like what your n seam measurement is, 210 00:09:43,240 --> 00:09:44,839 Speaker 3: and the you step into the machine and then they 211 00:09:44,880 --> 00:09:48,280 Speaker 3: flick the little lever up and if it clicks, that 212 00:09:48,320 --> 00:09:50,280 Speaker 3: means that your in seam is above that and you're 213 00:09:50,320 --> 00:09:52,839 Speaker 3: good to go. But if it doesn't click, your in 214 00:09:52,960 --> 00:09:55,560 Speaker 3: seam is too low and you're immediately disqualified and you 215 00:09:55,600 --> 00:09:58,280 Speaker 3: don't even get to take a jump. So en seem 216 00:09:58,360 --> 00:10:00,160 Speaker 3: is the thing that they regulate the highest. 217 00:10:00,320 --> 00:10:03,240 Speaker 2: That's wild. The crotch machine. 218 00:10:03,440 --> 00:10:05,480 Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, the things that I don't know about 219 00:10:05,520 --> 00:10:08,920 Speaker 1: in sports that are just like normal for y'all. Okay, 220 00:10:08,960 --> 00:10:11,760 Speaker 1: And I saw a picture in the guidelines. It literally 221 00:10:11,960 --> 00:10:15,440 Speaker 1: is the equivalent of like, I don't know, like a 222 00:10:15,480 --> 00:10:19,480 Speaker 1: popsicle stick that like flips up out of the table, 223 00:10:19,600 --> 00:10:21,920 Speaker 1: And in theory, if it doesn't fully get into place 224 00:10:21,960 --> 00:10:24,720 Speaker 1: and click, then there's something in the way, which would 225 00:10:24,720 --> 00:10:28,440 Speaker 1: mean that extra fabric or that thing. So what would 226 00:10:28,480 --> 00:10:31,840 Speaker 1: people be doing that would prevent the crotch machine from clicking, 227 00:10:31,920 --> 00:10:36,000 Speaker 1: Like stuffing something in their suit or putting air or 228 00:10:36,040 --> 00:10:39,480 Speaker 1: somehow creating more space that would make the crotch lower 229 00:10:39,520 --> 00:10:41,480 Speaker 1: and therefore more able to pick up air. 230 00:10:41,920 --> 00:10:45,200 Speaker 3: So each country is making their own suits. It's not 231 00:10:45,240 --> 00:10:48,319 Speaker 3: like we order them from a company in like size small, medium, large. 232 00:10:49,480 --> 00:10:52,040 Speaker 3: So when somebody's inn seem is too low, it's because 233 00:10:52,120 --> 00:10:56,000 Speaker 3: they made it that way. It could be like their 234 00:10:56,679 --> 00:11:01,079 Speaker 3: leg length isn't long enough. They just added extra fabric 235 00:11:01,120 --> 00:11:03,040 Speaker 3: there when they were making it, et cetera. 236 00:11:03,760 --> 00:11:06,760 Speaker 1: Which brings us back to the story from in March 237 00:11:06,800 --> 00:11:09,640 Speaker 1: when those jumpers were suspended for the crotch on their 238 00:11:09,679 --> 00:11:14,600 Speaker 1: suits because essentially they made like an extra seam in 239 00:11:14,640 --> 00:11:17,360 Speaker 1: there and that was what they got caught for so 240 00:11:18,200 --> 00:11:20,840 Speaker 1: because the suit plays such a big role. Fisked, the 241 00:11:20,920 --> 00:11:23,480 Speaker 1: organization that oversees all of ski jumping, has introduced a 242 00:11:23,520 --> 00:11:25,480 Speaker 1: lot of new rules in recent years about the size 243 00:11:25,480 --> 00:11:28,040 Speaker 1: of suits, including taking measurements of athlete bodies. 244 00:11:28,520 --> 00:11:30,440 Speaker 2: And you're used to that as a ski jumper. 245 00:11:30,480 --> 00:11:32,480 Speaker 1: So can you explain what this process has looked like 246 00:11:32,640 --> 00:11:36,000 Speaker 1: during your time competing, beginning with your first year competing, 247 00:11:36,040 --> 00:11:38,400 Speaker 1: and like whether it's changed over the years. How they 248 00:11:38,440 --> 00:11:40,960 Speaker 1: make sure that they're taking measurements and regulating suits. 249 00:11:41,320 --> 00:11:44,520 Speaker 3: Yeah, so the measurements that they're taking from each athlete 250 00:11:44,559 --> 00:11:47,200 Speaker 3: that are standardized stay with you the whole season. Is 251 00:11:47,240 --> 00:11:49,920 Speaker 3: your height, your in seem your arm length and your 252 00:11:49,960 --> 00:11:53,000 Speaker 3: foot length all the rest of the measurements that kind 253 00:11:53,000 --> 00:11:56,439 Speaker 3: of just take on the spot, but those are like standardized. 254 00:11:56,480 --> 00:12:01,040 Speaker 3: Those are your measurements as a junior athlete. So I 255 00:12:01,040 --> 00:12:04,440 Speaker 3: think it's under twenty those measurements are supposed to be 256 00:12:04,480 --> 00:12:07,760 Speaker 3: retaken annually, and then after twenty it's you take them 257 00:12:07,760 --> 00:12:09,720 Speaker 3: and they're supposed to be good because theoretically you're not 258 00:12:09,760 --> 00:12:13,520 Speaker 3: growing anymore. I've been a senior athlete for I think 259 00:12:13,559 --> 00:12:15,679 Speaker 3: three years, and I've had to retake them every year 260 00:12:16,000 --> 00:12:19,840 Speaker 3: because they keep changing the procedure. So when I first 261 00:12:20,200 --> 00:12:24,400 Speaker 3: started competing internationally, it was kind of a modified version 262 00:12:24,400 --> 00:12:27,560 Speaker 3: of the crotch machine, so it would measure our height 263 00:12:27,559 --> 00:12:29,400 Speaker 3: and our crotch at the same time, and we just 264 00:12:29,400 --> 00:12:32,920 Speaker 3: like stood against a wall. And then it evolved from that. 265 00:12:33,120 --> 00:12:36,160 Speaker 3: The first change was to being measured on a table 266 00:12:36,200 --> 00:12:38,400 Speaker 3: instead of standing up, so it's kind of the same thing, 267 00:12:38,640 --> 00:12:41,480 Speaker 3: except for there was like a laser that was measuring 268 00:12:41,520 --> 00:12:44,920 Speaker 3: the height and then the crotch. And then the year 269 00:12:44,960 --> 00:12:47,520 Speaker 3: after that is when they introduced the three D body scan. 270 00:12:48,640 --> 00:12:50,920 Speaker 3: So the three D body scan, you go in, you're 271 00:12:51,280 --> 00:12:54,160 Speaker 3: in your underwear and like bra for women, and you 272 00:12:54,240 --> 00:12:57,040 Speaker 3: stand on this little platform and it like spins you 273 00:12:57,120 --> 00:13:01,240 Speaker 3: around and takes a body scan, and then on the 274 00:13:01,280 --> 00:13:03,520 Speaker 3: computer they put dots at where the bottom of your 275 00:13:03,559 --> 00:13:05,640 Speaker 3: crotches and where the top of your head is to 276 00:13:05,679 --> 00:13:10,000 Speaker 3: get the heightened enseeam measurement. And the three D body 277 00:13:10,000 --> 00:13:12,240 Speaker 3: scan is kind of where it's evolved from each year. 278 00:13:12,280 --> 00:13:14,880 Speaker 3: So the first year that was just like the normal procedure. 279 00:13:14,920 --> 00:13:17,960 Speaker 3: We go in, stand on the circle, We're good, and 280 00:13:18,000 --> 00:13:21,360 Speaker 3: then I think some teams got caught sewing stuff into 281 00:13:21,360 --> 00:13:24,000 Speaker 3: their underwear. So the next year after that it turned 282 00:13:24,000 --> 00:13:27,560 Speaker 3: into FISK provided you underwear. You had to go change 283 00:13:27,559 --> 00:13:30,040 Speaker 3: into that underwear and then get the three D body 284 00:13:30,040 --> 00:13:33,360 Speaker 3: scan done, And then evidently people were finding a way 285 00:13:33,360 --> 00:13:35,920 Speaker 3: around that, so the year after that, you had to 286 00:13:36,000 --> 00:13:39,000 Speaker 3: change into the FIST provided underwear in the presence of 287 00:13:39,040 --> 00:13:42,360 Speaker 3: a doctor, which brings us to this year. Kind of 288 00:13:42,400 --> 00:13:44,280 Speaker 3: the same deal. You have to change into the FIST 289 00:13:44,320 --> 00:13:47,200 Speaker 3: provided underwear in the presence of a doctor, but this 290 00:13:47,320 --> 00:13:51,840 Speaker 3: year there was a kind of second part inspection to it, 291 00:13:52,000 --> 00:13:55,480 Speaker 3: so we had to drop our panties and stand there 292 00:13:55,720 --> 00:13:58,720 Speaker 3: while the doctor inspected us for like three to five 293 00:13:58,800 --> 00:14:02,160 Speaker 3: seconds are like lake spread, and then once you said 294 00:14:02,200 --> 00:14:04,959 Speaker 3: like okay, you're good, then we put our underwear back 295 00:14:05,000 --> 00:14:06,720 Speaker 3: on and got our three D body scan done. So 296 00:14:06,720 --> 00:14:08,800 Speaker 3: they've escalated it quite a bit each year. 297 00:14:09,040 --> 00:14:11,200 Speaker 1: Okay, three D body scan is making me think of 298 00:14:11,240 --> 00:14:14,000 Speaker 1: like motion capture for movies, where you've got the dots 299 00:14:14,040 --> 00:14:16,160 Speaker 1: all over your body and it kind of can track 300 00:14:16,320 --> 00:14:18,560 Speaker 1: like each part of you. And it makes sense that 301 00:14:18,559 --> 00:14:21,800 Speaker 1: they would elevate to that because I noticed in the 302 00:14:21,800 --> 00:14:24,440 Speaker 1: guidelines that there were very strict rules about standing up 303 00:14:24,480 --> 00:14:27,600 Speaker 1: perfectly straight or taking a deep breath before other things, 304 00:14:27,640 --> 00:14:29,640 Speaker 1: you think about slouching, or ways that you might try 305 00:14:29,680 --> 00:14:32,320 Speaker 1: to alter the numbers so that your suit could actually 306 00:14:32,320 --> 00:14:35,320 Speaker 1: be bigger than you are. But it sounds like the 307 00:14:35,760 --> 00:14:39,320 Speaker 1: escalation in that has taken a bit of a turn 308 00:14:39,840 --> 00:14:42,520 Speaker 1: in that you were pretty comfortable with what they were 309 00:14:42,520 --> 00:14:46,520 Speaker 1: doing before, but this most recent time that you went 310 00:14:46,560 --> 00:14:51,720 Speaker 1: in ahead of this competition in France, you didn't think 311 00:14:51,720 --> 00:14:54,800 Speaker 1: the experience was in alignment with what would make athletes 312 00:14:54,840 --> 00:14:57,120 Speaker 1: most comfortable, right, So can you tell us what happened 313 00:14:57,120 --> 00:14:58,760 Speaker 1: there and why it was different? 314 00:14:59,320 --> 00:15:01,720 Speaker 3: What was different this year is always in the past, 315 00:15:01,920 --> 00:15:04,960 Speaker 3: since they've introduced like changing into the underwear, we've had 316 00:15:05,000 --> 00:15:07,960 Speaker 3: a female doctor provided for us, but this year when 317 00:15:08,000 --> 00:15:10,360 Speaker 3: we showed up, there was a male doctor there. He 318 00:15:10,440 --> 00:15:15,280 Speaker 3: said that he worked as a reproductive endocrinologist, So like 319 00:15:15,320 --> 00:15:18,800 Speaker 3: say subsection of obgi N, which I think in physicize 320 00:15:18,880 --> 00:15:22,160 Speaker 3: made it okay, But yeah, we had to strip down 321 00:15:22,960 --> 00:15:26,200 Speaker 3: pretty naked in front of this male doctor and they 322 00:15:26,240 --> 00:15:27,880 Speaker 3: asked us like all right, like do you guys feel 323 00:15:27,880 --> 00:15:30,440 Speaker 3: okay about this? And we're all like no, not really, 324 00:15:30,960 --> 00:15:33,240 Speaker 3: and they're like, okay, well, you guys can refuse that 325 00:15:33,360 --> 00:15:35,520 Speaker 3: is your choice, but then you won't be able to compete, 326 00:15:35,600 --> 00:15:37,360 Speaker 3: So it was like the illusion of choice. If we 327 00:15:37,400 --> 00:15:40,240 Speaker 3: wanted to be there and compete that weekend, then we'd 328 00:15:40,240 --> 00:15:43,000 Speaker 3: had to, you know, strip down in front of this 329 00:15:43,080 --> 00:15:43,680 Speaker 3: male doctor. 330 00:15:44,000 --> 00:15:47,640 Speaker 1: I'm so sorry that happened to you when they asked 331 00:15:47,920 --> 00:15:49,960 Speaker 1: are you okay with this? At what point in the 332 00:15:49,960 --> 00:15:52,960 Speaker 1: proceedings was it? Were you all together when you were asked? 333 00:15:53,000 --> 00:15:53,800 Speaker 1: Who was asking you? 334 00:15:53,880 --> 00:15:56,640 Speaker 3: That our whole team was there? We had this is 335 00:15:56,680 --> 00:16:00,480 Speaker 3: when we had arrived at the hill for a like 336 00:16:00,520 --> 00:16:03,560 Speaker 3: testing appointment, so it was probably like five minutes before 337 00:16:03,600 --> 00:16:04,480 Speaker 3: we were getting tested. 338 00:16:05,040 --> 00:16:06,600 Speaker 1: And as far as you knew, you were going to 339 00:16:06,680 --> 00:16:10,600 Speaker 1: have the same tests as before, including the naked search, 340 00:16:10,680 --> 00:16:14,040 Speaker 1: but you expected it to be a woman. Yeah, okay, 341 00:16:14,240 --> 00:16:16,600 Speaker 1: So it wasn't the actual practice as much as it 342 00:16:16,720 --> 00:16:18,320 Speaker 1: was that you were not given the choice to have 343 00:16:18,360 --> 00:16:23,080 Speaker 1: it administered by a female doctor. And who asked if 344 00:16:23,080 --> 00:16:25,360 Speaker 1: you were okay with it? Was it a representative from 345 00:16:25,520 --> 00:16:26,080 Speaker 1: FISTS or. 346 00:16:26,880 --> 00:16:30,320 Speaker 3: Yeah, it was the FIS equipment control personnel for the 347 00:16:30,360 --> 00:16:31,120 Speaker 3: female circuit. 348 00:16:31,720 --> 00:16:33,640 Speaker 1: We got to take a quick break more with Page 349 00:16:33,680 --> 00:16:43,880 Speaker 1: right after this, So you know, those of us not 350 00:16:43,960 --> 00:16:46,320 Speaker 1: in sports like this might be shocked at the very 351 00:16:46,360 --> 00:16:50,920 Speaker 1: idea that just being able to compete requires this level 352 00:16:51,040 --> 00:16:53,400 Speaker 1: of examination, that there's a lot of ways that your 353 00:16:53,440 --> 00:16:56,400 Speaker 1: privacy will be impacted, and that you're sort of used 354 00:16:56,400 --> 00:16:59,160 Speaker 1: to it by now. We've had other athletes come on 355 00:16:59,200 --> 00:17:01,040 Speaker 1: the show and talk about how to pee in front 356 00:17:01,040 --> 00:17:04,320 Speaker 1: of anti doping control officers or do a variety of 357 00:17:04,400 --> 00:17:07,199 Speaker 1: other bodily things in front of people, and I imagine 358 00:17:07,200 --> 00:17:10,840 Speaker 1: they're all sort of uncomfortable. But up unto this point 359 00:17:10,880 --> 00:17:14,199 Speaker 1: in this particular test, did you always feel like you 360 00:17:14,359 --> 00:17:18,159 Speaker 1: were being considered and that what was being asked of 361 00:17:18,240 --> 00:17:21,520 Speaker 1: you was necessary to the sport and handled in the 362 00:17:21,560 --> 00:17:24,400 Speaker 1: best way possible to achieve the desired result of fairness. 363 00:17:24,840 --> 00:17:27,639 Speaker 3: Yeah, like, it's in my best interest that the playing 364 00:17:27,720 --> 00:17:31,320 Speaker 3: field is as even as possible. The United States, despite 365 00:17:31,400 --> 00:17:33,640 Speaker 3: being a large country, is actually a very small country 366 00:17:33,680 --> 00:17:36,159 Speaker 3: in ski jumping. We have a lot less funding than 367 00:17:36,200 --> 00:17:39,560 Speaker 3: some of these bigger countries like Norway or Germany or Austria, 368 00:17:40,680 --> 00:17:43,120 Speaker 3: And generally what we see is these bigger countries have 369 00:17:43,200 --> 00:17:45,520 Speaker 3: more access to kind of work go around these rules. 370 00:17:45,520 --> 00:17:47,960 Speaker 3: So the stricter they are, the more it actually benefits me. 371 00:17:48,520 --> 00:17:50,680 Speaker 3: And I would say that like Over the years of 372 00:17:50,720 --> 00:17:53,640 Speaker 3: an athlete, I have gone really comfortable kind of being 373 00:17:53,680 --> 00:17:57,399 Speaker 3: in very bare minimal clothing around people, whether that's just 374 00:17:57,400 --> 00:18:00,120 Speaker 3: like in the changing room or for equipment control purposes. 375 00:18:00,600 --> 00:18:03,159 Speaker 3: But what made it different about this year, Yes, was 376 00:18:03,200 --> 00:18:06,320 Speaker 3: the male doctor, but it was also this like stand there, 377 00:18:06,400 --> 00:18:09,920 Speaker 3: spread your legs and inspection. Because like even when you're 378 00:18:10,040 --> 00:18:16,359 Speaker 3: there for like DCO doping control, they're like inspecting your genitals. 379 00:18:16,400 --> 00:18:19,560 Speaker 3: They're just there to witness basically. 380 00:18:20,200 --> 00:18:22,960 Speaker 1: So this was the first time that there was actually 381 00:18:23,000 --> 00:18:27,240 Speaker 1: somebody up close for three to five seconds inspecting your genitals. 382 00:18:27,600 --> 00:18:30,080 Speaker 3: Yeah. Before it was just they were there while we 383 00:18:30,080 --> 00:18:34,520 Speaker 3: were changing. There was no like stop pause right, yeah. 384 00:18:34,200 --> 00:18:36,639 Speaker 1: Got it was anyone else in the room with you. 385 00:18:37,080 --> 00:18:39,640 Speaker 3: Yeah. So the setup was everyone was in the same room. 386 00:18:39,760 --> 00:18:44,080 Speaker 3: I went behind a barrier where the doctor could see me, 387 00:18:44,280 --> 00:18:47,240 Speaker 3: and then my coach was able to watch the doctor 388 00:18:47,280 --> 00:18:48,840 Speaker 3: watch me, but without seeing me. 389 00:18:49,520 --> 00:18:54,800 Speaker 1: Okay, okay, this is bringing up so many thoughts about 390 00:18:54,880 --> 00:18:59,119 Speaker 1: Larry Nasser and in the US there was a really 391 00:18:59,119 --> 00:19:04,040 Speaker 1: big conversation and about trust from female athletes with doctors, 392 00:19:04,119 --> 00:19:06,720 Speaker 1: trust in their federations and the people that are put 393 00:19:06,720 --> 00:19:09,040 Speaker 1: in place to help protect them, and in the case 394 00:19:09,040 --> 00:19:11,840 Speaker 1: of Larry Nasster, there were parents in the room sometimes 395 00:19:12,280 --> 00:19:16,240 Speaker 1: as he was violating girls who didn't know either couldn't 396 00:19:16,280 --> 00:19:18,560 Speaker 1: see exactly what he was doing or were assured that 397 00:19:18,600 --> 00:19:21,800 Speaker 1: it was necessary. Did it make you feel better to 398 00:19:21,920 --> 00:19:25,760 Speaker 1: have a coach watching the doctor watch you in any way? 399 00:19:26,400 --> 00:19:30,320 Speaker 3: Not really. And also, like with the Larry Naster thing, 400 00:19:30,359 --> 00:19:34,000 Speaker 3: I think that like the US women's team felt more 401 00:19:34,040 --> 00:19:37,880 Speaker 3: affected than the other teams at the competition. I think 402 00:19:37,920 --> 00:19:40,280 Speaker 3: specifically because we kind of grew up more in a 403 00:19:40,320 --> 00:19:43,280 Speaker 3: sport environment where we did have this distrust of doctors, 404 00:19:43,359 --> 00:19:46,040 Speaker 3: like just because somebody's a doctor doesn't make them safe, 405 00:19:46,760 --> 00:19:49,359 Speaker 3: whereas in other countries, one I think it's more usual 406 00:19:49,400 --> 00:19:52,280 Speaker 3: to have a male gynecologist, and two I don't think 407 00:19:52,320 --> 00:19:55,879 Speaker 3: they have this like safe sport cloud above them at 408 00:19:55,920 --> 00:19:57,480 Speaker 3: all times, right. 409 00:19:57,520 --> 00:19:59,840 Speaker 1: I mean, having learned and heard about the extent of 410 00:19:59,840 --> 00:20:03,080 Speaker 1: what Larry Nassau was able to do over decades will 411 00:20:03,119 --> 00:20:07,160 Speaker 1: certainly make any woman an athlete in particular, much more 412 00:20:07,200 --> 00:20:11,919 Speaker 1: wary going into these situations. So you had your coach 413 00:20:12,200 --> 00:20:15,280 Speaker 1: watching the doctor, and your coach, the US team coach 414 00:20:15,720 --> 00:20:18,000 Speaker 1: is one of the few or maybe the only female 415 00:20:18,080 --> 00:20:19,520 Speaker 1: head coach on the women's circuit. 416 00:20:19,320 --> 00:20:22,800 Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, she's our assistant coach, but yeah, she is 417 00:20:22,840 --> 00:20:25,840 Speaker 3: the only female coach on the women's circuit or the 418 00:20:25,880 --> 00:20:27,000 Speaker 3: men's circuit for that matter. 419 00:20:27,240 --> 00:20:27,800 Speaker 2: Wow. 420 00:20:28,440 --> 00:20:30,639 Speaker 1: Okay, So I mean that's a little more comfortable for 421 00:20:30,680 --> 00:20:33,960 Speaker 1: you probably that there is a woman watching the proceedings. 422 00:20:34,040 --> 00:20:36,520 Speaker 1: But if you had asked, would you be allowed to 423 00:20:36,560 --> 00:20:38,960 Speaker 1: have any other chaperone or person in the room for 424 00:20:39,000 --> 00:20:39,560 Speaker 1: your safety? 425 00:20:39,800 --> 00:20:43,120 Speaker 3: I would assume. So the issue with like being an Americans, 426 00:20:43,160 --> 00:20:45,760 Speaker 3: I'm traveling all the way to Europe for these competitions, 427 00:20:46,720 --> 00:20:49,320 Speaker 3: so I wouldn't have known to bring a person because 428 00:20:49,359 --> 00:20:51,879 Speaker 3: I didn't know it was a male doctor, and you know, 429 00:20:51,920 --> 00:20:54,840 Speaker 3: paying to bring a chaperone or whatever was kind of unrealistic. 430 00:20:54,880 --> 00:20:57,040 Speaker 3: So I feel very lucky that we did have a 431 00:20:57,080 --> 00:21:00,159 Speaker 3: female staff member there, but you know, other countries might 432 00:21:00,200 --> 00:21:02,560 Speaker 3: not be as lucky. We have, like the Japanese team 433 00:21:02,600 --> 00:21:04,520 Speaker 3: traveling all the way from Asia for these things, and 434 00:21:04,560 --> 00:21:06,760 Speaker 3: I don't think they have any female staff members. 435 00:21:06,960 --> 00:21:11,120 Speaker 1: So when you arrived and they said here's what the 436 00:21:11,160 --> 00:21:13,600 Speaker 1: proceedings are going to be and here's the doctor doing it, 437 00:21:13,880 --> 00:21:16,000 Speaker 1: did one of you ask is there a woman we 438 00:21:16,040 --> 00:21:17,000 Speaker 1: can do this with instead? 439 00:21:17,080 --> 00:21:18,760 Speaker 2: And that's when they gave you that sort of illusion 440 00:21:18,760 --> 00:21:19,320 Speaker 2: of choice. 441 00:21:19,760 --> 00:21:20,440 Speaker 3: Yeah. 442 00:21:20,480 --> 00:21:22,720 Speaker 1: Wow, I'm so sorry that you had to deal with that. 443 00:21:23,760 --> 00:21:26,200 Speaker 1: What were the conversations with your coach and your teammates 444 00:21:26,200 --> 00:21:26,600 Speaker 1: after that? 445 00:21:27,160 --> 00:21:29,639 Speaker 3: We all just kind of talked about how uncomfortable it was, 446 00:21:29,800 --> 00:21:31,520 Speaker 3: And it was me who brought up I was like, 447 00:21:31,600 --> 00:21:33,520 Speaker 3: we need to like go to the media about this, 448 00:21:33,800 --> 00:21:36,760 Speaker 3: like something about this feels so like icky and wrong 449 00:21:36,800 --> 00:21:38,840 Speaker 3: that we need to like tell people. It was like 450 00:21:38,880 --> 00:21:40,960 Speaker 3: I have to go like run and tell a trusted adult, 451 00:21:41,000 --> 00:21:44,040 Speaker 3: like yeah, but yeah, we just kind of like felt 452 00:21:44,040 --> 00:21:46,720 Speaker 3: that it wasn't quite right. And actually even some of 453 00:21:46,760 --> 00:21:49,760 Speaker 3: our male teammates like sent a message in their World 454 00:21:49,760 --> 00:21:51,520 Speaker 3: Cup group chat to say like, hey, like, did you 455 00:21:51,520 --> 00:21:54,119 Speaker 3: guys know that they're not providing a female for the women? 456 00:21:54,240 --> 00:21:55,959 Speaker 3: Like I don't feel like this is quite right. So 457 00:21:56,000 --> 00:21:58,560 Speaker 3: it's not it's not just us that's kind of feeling 458 00:21:58,600 --> 00:21:58,920 Speaker 3: that way. 459 00:21:59,400 --> 00:22:02,120 Speaker 1: I'm so glad they did, because unfortunately, sometimes it does 460 00:22:02,200 --> 00:22:03,120 Speaker 1: require men. 461 00:22:02,960 --> 00:22:05,800 Speaker 2: To speak up in these instances. Did you feel like 462 00:22:05,880 --> 00:22:06,840 Speaker 2: you mentioned. 463 00:22:06,560 --> 00:22:09,800 Speaker 1: That in Europe maybe there it's not as strange. Did 464 00:22:09,840 --> 00:22:14,240 Speaker 1: you feel like this was more a matter of an 465 00:22:14,320 --> 00:22:18,520 Speaker 1: absence of thought, like they didn't even consider Oh, do 466 00:22:18,560 --> 00:22:20,560 Speaker 1: you think these women would be more comfortable with a 467 00:22:20,560 --> 00:22:24,440 Speaker 1: female doctor or do you think it was something done 468 00:22:24,440 --> 00:22:29,240 Speaker 1: with intention, Like they don't deserve to have that request. 469 00:22:29,520 --> 00:22:33,879 Speaker 1: You know, what's the thinking behind them not even for 470 00:22:33,920 --> 00:22:36,639 Speaker 1: a second in advance considering that it would make more 471 00:22:36,720 --> 00:22:38,199 Speaker 1: sense to have a female doctor do this. 472 00:22:38,720 --> 00:22:40,960 Speaker 3: I feel like they must have considered it at some point, 473 00:22:41,000 --> 00:22:44,320 Speaker 3: because up until now we've had a female doctor. I 474 00:22:44,359 --> 00:22:47,400 Speaker 3: think for FIS it was more of a convenience thing, 475 00:22:47,520 --> 00:22:49,679 Speaker 3: like it's more convenient for them to only have to 476 00:22:49,760 --> 00:22:52,600 Speaker 3: have one doctor there, and I think that's why they 477 00:22:52,600 --> 00:22:56,240 Speaker 3: invited like a male obguin trying to cover all their bases. 478 00:22:56,280 --> 00:22:57,919 Speaker 3: But I do think it is more kind of a 479 00:22:57,960 --> 00:22:58,760 Speaker 3: convenience thing. 480 00:22:59,600 --> 00:23:01,760 Speaker 1: What was the age of the athletes that we're having 481 00:23:01,800 --> 00:23:03,280 Speaker 1: to undergo this body testing? 482 00:23:03,520 --> 00:23:06,359 Speaker 3: I think our youngest athlete right now is eighteen, and 483 00:23:06,400 --> 00:23:09,480 Speaker 3: our oldest on our team is twenty three. But the 484 00:23:09,560 --> 00:23:12,440 Speaker 3: procedure is the same for underage athletes. So like any 485 00:23:12,720 --> 00:23:15,920 Speaker 3: you're eligible to compete in international competitions at age fifteen, 486 00:23:16,240 --> 00:23:18,959 Speaker 3: and the procedure would be the same for any athlete 487 00:23:19,000 --> 00:23:20,600 Speaker 3: wanting to compete at that level. 488 00:23:20,880 --> 00:23:23,479 Speaker 1: So any athletes under eighteen from another country that might 489 00:23:23,520 --> 00:23:26,920 Speaker 1: have been there to compete had to undergo this as well. Yeah, yeah, 490 00:23:26,920 --> 00:23:30,360 Speaker 1: that seems really problematic. So you reached out to producer 491 00:23:30,440 --> 00:23:32,800 Speaker 1: Alex because you saw that she'd written about and covered 492 00:23:32,840 --> 00:23:35,560 Speaker 1: ski jumping before. Did you reach out to other media 493 00:23:35,680 --> 00:23:37,239 Speaker 1: or other folks to try to see if they were 494 00:23:37,240 --> 00:23:38,199 Speaker 1: interested in talking about this? 495 00:23:38,560 --> 00:23:40,560 Speaker 3: Not really, I just figured i'd try one and see 496 00:23:40,560 --> 00:23:42,879 Speaker 3: how it went, and tried to find a woman who've 497 00:23:42,920 --> 00:23:44,119 Speaker 3: written about ski jumping. 498 00:23:44,200 --> 00:23:46,879 Speaker 1: So yeah, yeah, probably not as common as you wish 499 00:23:46,960 --> 00:23:48,520 Speaker 1: and hope for right, Well. 500 00:23:48,359 --> 00:23:50,000 Speaker 3: That's kind of difficult, but looked out. 501 00:23:50,920 --> 00:23:51,240 Speaker 2: Yeah. 502 00:23:51,280 --> 00:23:53,600 Speaker 1: Well, I'm so glad Alex brought us the story because 503 00:23:53,600 --> 00:23:57,560 Speaker 1: I do think there are elements of sports like during 504 00:23:57,600 --> 00:23:59,720 Speaker 1: this interview, I've already learned so much. I've never heard 505 00:23:59,760 --> 00:24:02,040 Speaker 1: of the crotch machine or crouch control or any of 506 00:24:02,080 --> 00:24:04,399 Speaker 1: those things, and I fully get how necessary they are, 507 00:24:04,440 --> 00:24:07,240 Speaker 1: and to your point, you actually want them. You want 508 00:24:07,240 --> 00:24:09,280 Speaker 1: these protocols in place to make sure that what you're 509 00:24:09,320 --> 00:24:11,919 Speaker 1: competing in is as fair as it can be. But 510 00:24:12,040 --> 00:24:14,760 Speaker 1: obviously there are ways to ensure that all the athletes 511 00:24:14,800 --> 00:24:17,520 Speaker 1: feel centered and taken care of in these moments. 512 00:24:17,680 --> 00:24:19,480 Speaker 2: So what's the next step? What else? 513 00:24:19,480 --> 00:24:21,240 Speaker 1: First of all, do you want people to know while 514 00:24:21,240 --> 00:24:22,840 Speaker 1: you have this opportunity on our show? 515 00:24:23,240 --> 00:24:25,600 Speaker 3: I just would like to say that I don't feel 516 00:24:25,600 --> 00:24:28,120 Speaker 3: like fairness should come at the cost of my dignity. 517 00:24:28,440 --> 00:24:30,640 Speaker 3: There has got to be some way that we can 518 00:24:30,760 --> 00:24:33,280 Speaker 3: ensure the sport is fair without like having all the 519 00:24:33,320 --> 00:24:36,600 Speaker 3: athletes strip searched. I think it might require a little 520 00:24:36,640 --> 00:24:41,439 Speaker 3: bit more funding or personnel on that front, but I 521 00:24:41,440 --> 00:24:44,159 Speaker 3: don't think taking the easy way out at the cost 522 00:24:44,200 --> 00:24:46,199 Speaker 3: of like the female athletes is the way to go. 523 00:24:46,720 --> 00:24:50,000 Speaker 1: And what next steps might you want either the US 524 00:24:50,200 --> 00:24:53,639 Speaker 1: Key Jumping Federation or other folks that help represent you 525 00:24:53,720 --> 00:24:55,760 Speaker 1: and your fellow athletes, what would you like them to do? 526 00:24:56,119 --> 00:25:00,239 Speaker 3: I think just start discussions with this specifically on kind 527 00:25:00,280 --> 00:25:02,360 Speaker 3: of the women's front of things, making sure that we're 528 00:25:02,400 --> 00:25:05,840 Speaker 3: considered in equipment decisions. A lot of the times they 529 00:25:05,880 --> 00:25:08,040 Speaker 3: make decisions for the men and it's just applied to 530 00:25:08,080 --> 00:25:12,280 Speaker 3: the women, which is unfair, particularly in suit decisions, because 531 00:25:12,280 --> 00:25:15,320 Speaker 3: their bodies are different, and we also fluctuate a lot 532 00:25:15,320 --> 00:25:18,120 Speaker 3: more than the men do, like week to week. So 533 00:25:18,560 --> 00:25:21,080 Speaker 3: I'd say that, like, I don't even know if there's 534 00:25:21,080 --> 00:25:24,200 Speaker 3: a woman on the council for FIS, that's like providing 535 00:25:24,240 --> 00:25:26,600 Speaker 3: opinions about this. But if there isn't, I think there 536 00:25:26,600 --> 00:25:28,840 Speaker 3: should be, And if they're currently is, maybe they need 537 00:25:28,840 --> 00:25:32,760 Speaker 3: to speak up a little bit more because I definitely 538 00:25:32,800 --> 00:25:34,920 Speaker 3: feel like the women are the after bat here. 539 00:25:35,840 --> 00:25:39,080 Speaker 1: Are there any other outcomes or extensions of this that 540 00:25:39,119 --> 00:25:39,879 Speaker 1: you're worried about. 541 00:25:40,440 --> 00:25:43,440 Speaker 3: I'm kind of worried about what situations the sets minor 542 00:25:43,480 --> 00:25:46,800 Speaker 3: athletes up for. Like, there are bad people and predators 543 00:25:46,840 --> 00:25:50,240 Speaker 3: out there, and I don't think like normalizing being naked 544 00:25:50,280 --> 00:25:55,399 Speaker 3: in a sports context is safe for minors. Like a 545 00:25:55,440 --> 00:25:57,920 Speaker 3: lot of us will practice for measurements before we actually 546 00:25:57,960 --> 00:26:01,600 Speaker 3: get them done, just because they do influence a lot 547 00:26:01,640 --> 00:26:04,119 Speaker 3: for your season. And I don't want there to be 548 00:26:04,160 --> 00:26:07,760 Speaker 3: a situation where a predatory coach says to a minor 549 00:26:07,800 --> 00:26:10,320 Speaker 3: athlete like, hey, like we need to practice measurements. You 550 00:26:10,359 --> 00:26:13,399 Speaker 3: strip down naked to get these measurements, Like that's just how. 551 00:26:13,280 --> 00:26:17,520 Speaker 1: It goes M. The practicing is so that you know 552 00:26:17,560 --> 00:26:19,320 Speaker 1: your coach might give you tips on like how to 553 00:26:19,400 --> 00:26:21,840 Speaker 1: stand to make sure that you're not giving them measurements 554 00:26:21,880 --> 00:26:23,240 Speaker 1: that would be disadvantageous. 555 00:26:23,480 --> 00:26:26,359 Speaker 3: Yeah, Like I like the difference between like standing all 556 00:26:26,400 --> 00:26:28,200 Speaker 3: the way straight up and like ducking your chin a 557 00:26:28,280 --> 00:26:31,679 Speaker 3: little bit can make like a centimeter difference. So just 558 00:26:31,720 --> 00:26:34,080 Speaker 3: practicing to make sure you know exactly what you're going 559 00:26:34,119 --> 00:26:35,400 Speaker 3: to do when you're walking in there. 560 00:26:36,119 --> 00:26:37,600 Speaker 1: We have to take a break when we come back. 561 00:26:37,640 --> 00:26:40,480 Speaker 1: The conclusion of my conversation with Page plus the update. 562 00:26:48,160 --> 00:26:50,919 Speaker 1: What's next for you are the Olympics on the horizon. 563 00:26:51,160 --> 00:26:53,760 Speaker 1: I don't know anything about the qualifying for that. Is 564 00:26:53,800 --> 00:26:56,080 Speaker 1: that what these events that you're currently competing in are 565 00:26:56,160 --> 00:26:56,679 Speaker 1: leading up to. 566 00:26:57,440 --> 00:27:00,760 Speaker 3: Yeah, so our Olympic qualifying period actually started last July. 567 00:27:00,920 --> 00:27:04,560 Speaker 3: We have a really really long qualifying period. All points 568 00:27:04,560 --> 00:27:08,520 Speaker 3: that are scored in Grand Prix, which are summer competitions 569 00:27:08,560 --> 00:27:12,880 Speaker 3: and World Cups, count towards qualifying quota spots for your country. 570 00:27:13,040 --> 00:27:16,800 Speaker 3: So when we qualify a quota spot, that spot isn't 571 00:27:16,880 --> 00:27:21,800 Speaker 3: necessarily yours, and then starting in December, we'll start competing 572 00:27:21,840 --> 00:27:25,800 Speaker 3: for those spots. So like right now, I have I 573 00:27:25,800 --> 00:27:29,840 Speaker 3: think like one hundred and something points, which is definitely 574 00:27:29,920 --> 00:27:31,840 Speaker 3: high enough to keep a quota spot for the US. 575 00:27:32,320 --> 00:27:35,159 Speaker 3: And that's good. And if I can continue buying results 576 00:27:35,160 --> 00:27:37,120 Speaker 3: from last season, I'll have a really good shot at 577 00:27:38,040 --> 00:27:40,160 Speaker 3: securing one of those quota spots for myself. 578 00:27:40,600 --> 00:27:44,199 Speaker 1: Amazing, congratulations on that. And then you're also in school 579 00:27:44,280 --> 00:27:45,640 Speaker 1: hoping to graduate. 580 00:27:45,240 --> 00:27:47,200 Speaker 3: Next year right the year after next year? 581 00:27:47,280 --> 00:27:50,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, okay, we've backed it up a little on 582 00:27:50,040 --> 00:27:52,520 Speaker 1: your on your LinkedIn. We were aiming for twenty twenty six, 583 00:27:52,600 --> 00:27:55,720 Speaker 1: but the ski jumping has taken priority a little. 584 00:27:55,840 --> 00:27:59,119 Speaker 3: Yeah, I had to transfer. I was originally at the 585 00:27:59,200 --> 00:28:02,320 Speaker 3: University of Utah, but transferred to the University of North 586 00:28:02,400 --> 00:28:05,080 Speaker 3: Dakota because of their online program. But that transfer did 587 00:28:05,080 --> 00:28:05,960 Speaker 3: step me back a year. 588 00:28:06,400 --> 00:28:08,680 Speaker 2: Got it? And is the eventual goal to be a 589 00:28:08,760 --> 00:28:10,080 Speaker 2: dentist it is? 590 00:28:10,200 --> 00:28:12,920 Speaker 3: Yeah, I actually just got my DAT scores back today. 591 00:28:12,960 --> 00:28:13,800 Speaker 3: I'm really excited. 592 00:28:14,359 --> 00:28:14,840 Speaker 2: How'd you do? 593 00:28:15,520 --> 00:28:16,400 Speaker 3: Really really good? 594 00:28:16,520 --> 00:28:17,120 Speaker 2: Crushed it? 595 00:28:17,359 --> 00:28:21,959 Speaker 1: Yea amazing, amazing, Well, you just seem like an incredibly 596 00:28:22,080 --> 00:28:25,359 Speaker 1: impressive woman between the biomedical engineering and the pre dental 597 00:28:25,840 --> 00:28:29,679 Speaker 1: and the ski jumping and your travels and your photography 598 00:28:29,720 --> 00:28:31,840 Speaker 1: on your install like, you seem like you're crushing life. 599 00:28:31,840 --> 00:28:33,359 Speaker 2: And you're still so young. 600 00:28:33,440 --> 00:28:35,399 Speaker 1: So we can't wait to see what you do in 601 00:28:35,440 --> 00:28:38,040 Speaker 1: the qualifying and we're so grateful you were willing to 602 00:28:38,040 --> 00:28:40,040 Speaker 1: talk about this. I think that is the biggest thing 603 00:28:40,120 --> 00:28:42,600 Speaker 1: is just athletes getting out and saying like, this is 604 00:28:42,600 --> 00:28:44,360 Speaker 1: what we need, this is what we deserve, this is 605 00:28:44,400 --> 00:28:47,680 Speaker 1: what we have dealt with, and we should improve it. 606 00:28:47,960 --> 00:28:49,280 Speaker 1: And I think that you're going to be a great 607 00:28:49,320 --> 00:28:51,040 Speaker 1: voice in helping change things going forward. 608 00:28:51,080 --> 00:28:53,000 Speaker 2: So thanks so much for talking to us about it. 609 00:28:53,520 --> 00:28:55,640 Speaker 3: Yeah, thanks so much for having me. It's you know, 610 00:28:55,720 --> 00:28:58,720 Speaker 3: sometimes hard to get a spotlight on small, niche sports 611 00:28:58,720 --> 00:29:01,200 Speaker 3: like ski jumping, so I really I really appreciate you 612 00:29:01,240 --> 00:29:03,000 Speaker 3: taking the time to kind of like actually do the 613 00:29:03,080 --> 00:29:04,520 Speaker 3: research and invite me on here. 614 00:29:05,240 --> 00:29:05,480 Speaker 2: Yeah. 615 00:29:05,520 --> 00:29:07,440 Speaker 1: Well, big thanks to Alex for bringing the story to 616 00:29:07,480 --> 00:29:09,800 Speaker 1: the show, and also to you for allowing us to 617 00:29:09,880 --> 00:29:14,080 Speaker 1: name a show inevitably the Crotch Machine one thousand percent 618 00:29:14,120 --> 00:29:19,640 Speaker 1: what we're naming the show. Thanks to Page for taking 619 00:29:19,680 --> 00:29:21,440 Speaker 1: the time and for reaching out to us to share 620 00:29:21,480 --> 00:29:25,200 Speaker 1: her story. After speaking with her in August, we contacted FIS, 621 00:29:25,240 --> 00:29:29,080 Speaker 1: the organization that oversees international ski jumping competition and creates 622 00:29:29,080 --> 00:29:31,600 Speaker 1: and enforces the protocols that Paige and her fellow athletes 623 00:29:31,640 --> 00:29:33,640 Speaker 1: are subjected to. We wanted to see if they had 624 00:29:33,680 --> 00:29:36,440 Speaker 1: any comment on the experienced Page described and to ask 625 00:29:36,480 --> 00:29:39,480 Speaker 1: a few clarifying questions. Here's what FIS said back in 626 00:29:39,520 --> 00:29:44,240 Speaker 1: August as part of their lengthy, very helpful response. FISS said, quote, 627 00:29:44,440 --> 00:29:46,880 Speaker 1: FISS is fully committed to a fair sport and to 628 00:29:46,960 --> 00:29:50,240 Speaker 1: protecting honest competitors from being harmed by any form of 629 00:29:50,320 --> 00:29:53,400 Speaker 1: fraud or manipulation. We are also committed to doing so 630 00:29:53,440 --> 00:29:56,280 Speaker 1: while showing the utmost respect for the athletes safety and 631 00:29:56,320 --> 00:29:56,840 Speaker 1: well being. 632 00:29:57,040 --> 00:29:59,240 Speaker 2: This is non negotiable. End quote. 633 00:29:59,560 --> 00:30:02,280 Speaker 1: We ask FISTS about the reason that a naked leg 634 00:30:02,360 --> 00:30:05,520 Speaker 1: spread examination is required in the first place, and they 635 00:30:05,560 --> 00:30:08,280 Speaker 1: offered some insight on that, noting quote. Over the course 636 00:30:08,280 --> 00:30:10,160 Speaker 1: of the last couple of years, there have been a 637 00:30:10,160 --> 00:30:13,560 Speaker 1: few occasions in which athletes attempted to defraud the three 638 00:30:13,640 --> 00:30:17,520 Speaker 1: D measurement process, for example by adding prosthetic like parts 639 00:30:17,560 --> 00:30:19,800 Speaker 1: to that area of the body. This was the reason 640 00:30:19,800 --> 00:30:23,280 Speaker 1: why this year's protocol was further developed end quote. As 641 00:30:23,280 --> 00:30:26,680 Speaker 1: for the evolving procedural changes and athlete rites, FISS said, 642 00:30:26,680 --> 00:30:29,440 Speaker 1: the three D body scan protocol quote gives the athlete 643 00:30:29,480 --> 00:30:32,600 Speaker 1: the possibility to refuse to undergo the procedure in case 644 00:30:32,600 --> 00:30:35,520 Speaker 1: they feel uncomfortable and postpone the measurement for a later 645 00:30:35,600 --> 00:30:40,000 Speaker 1: date with no penalties or consequences end quote. It's worth noting, though, 646 00:30:40,000 --> 00:30:43,040 Speaker 1: according to Page the chance to refuse or postpone came 647 00:30:43,160 --> 00:30:46,000 Speaker 1: on site five minutes in advance of the procedure, and 648 00:30:46,080 --> 00:30:48,920 Speaker 1: while FI set an athlete who refuses wouldn't be penalized 649 00:30:49,000 --> 00:30:52,120 Speaker 1: or have any consequences, they also wouldn't be allowed to compete, 650 00:30:52,520 --> 00:30:55,520 Speaker 1: and with prize money and Olympic qualifying points on the line, 651 00:30:55,680 --> 00:30:58,120 Speaker 1: athletes would still be impacted by opting out. 652 00:30:58,840 --> 00:30:59,520 Speaker 2: We also want to. 653 00:30:59,480 --> 00:31:01,840 Speaker 1: Clarification from FISS on the rules that are in place 654 00:31:01,880 --> 00:31:05,040 Speaker 1: for minor athletes, given that page said all athletes went 655 00:31:05,080 --> 00:31:08,440 Speaker 1: through the same procedure, even those under the age of eighteen. 656 00:31:08,880 --> 00:31:12,200 Speaker 1: Fifth wrote back to say the protocol recommends quote the 657 00:31:12,280 --> 00:31:15,040 Speaker 1: presence of a parent or legal caretaker at the moment 658 00:31:15,120 --> 00:31:17,720 Speaker 1: of the exam or in cases is not possible of 659 00:31:17,760 --> 00:31:21,160 Speaker 1: a team member preferably of the same gender as the athlete, 660 00:31:21,440 --> 00:31:24,560 Speaker 1: authorized by the parent or legal caretaker, who would also 661 00:31:24,600 --> 00:31:27,760 Speaker 1: be signatories of the consent form end quote. As for 662 00:31:27,840 --> 00:31:29,720 Speaker 1: the doctor that was provided at the event in France, 663 00:31:29,760 --> 00:31:32,640 Speaker 1: that page attended, the statement from FISS says, quote, for 664 00:31:32,720 --> 00:31:36,360 Speaker 1: that competition, FIS brought in a renowned medical doctor in fact, 665 00:31:36,400 --> 00:31:39,640 Speaker 1: with extensive experience working with women's health to perform body 666 00:31:39,680 --> 00:31:42,240 Speaker 1: inspections for the twenty twenty five twenty twenty six season. 667 00:31:42,840 --> 00:31:46,960 Speaker 1: FIST continued with that said, we absolutely respect the athlete's 668 00:31:47,000 --> 00:31:49,520 Speaker 1: feelings and understand that the presence of a male doctor 669 00:31:49,560 --> 00:31:53,240 Speaker 1: may be deemed uncomfortable by female athletes. FIS acknowledges this 670 00:31:53,360 --> 00:31:56,640 Speaker 1: kind of constructive feedback and hereby commits going forward to 671 00:31:56,680 --> 00:31:59,280 Speaker 1: offering female athletes the possibility of being examined by a 672 00:31:59,280 --> 00:32:02,240 Speaker 1: female doctor end quote. We reached out to FIS to 673 00:32:02,280 --> 00:32:05,440 Speaker 1: clarify how intentional the use of the word possibility was, 674 00:32:05,920 --> 00:32:10,560 Speaker 1: i e. Was it interchangeable with option or opportunity. Did 675 00:32:10,600 --> 00:32:13,000 Speaker 1: they mean a female doctor will be guaranteed at all 676 00:32:13,040 --> 00:32:16,120 Speaker 1: future events or that it's just a possibility that a 677 00:32:16,160 --> 00:32:19,680 Speaker 1: female doctor will be provided. FISS replied that quote, whenever 678 00:32:19,720 --> 00:32:22,760 Speaker 1: there are three D body scans scheduled for female athletes, 679 00:32:22,920 --> 00:32:24,480 Speaker 1: they will be allowed to request for it to be 680 00:32:24,480 --> 00:32:27,960 Speaker 1: conducted by a female doctor end quote. So after publishing 681 00:32:27,960 --> 00:32:30,200 Speaker 1: that episode, we also got some more information about the 682 00:32:30,200 --> 00:32:33,120 Speaker 1: people who are responsible for making these decisions. As part 683 00:32:33,160 --> 00:32:35,600 Speaker 1: of our original request to FISS, we asked about gender 684 00:32:35,640 --> 00:32:38,880 Speaker 1: representation within the organization, and a spokesperson told us that 685 00:32:38,920 --> 00:32:41,480 Speaker 1: of the twenty one people on the FIST Council, seven 686 00:32:41,520 --> 00:32:44,680 Speaker 1: were women, so not great, but also not nothing. But 687 00:32:44,720 --> 00:32:47,160 Speaker 1: then we realized they were referring to the general FIST Council, 688 00:32:47,240 --> 00:32:50,000 Speaker 1: which oversees not just ski jumping, but also alpine skiing, 689 00:32:50,080 --> 00:32:51,040 Speaker 1: cross country. 690 00:32:50,760 --> 00:32:52,320 Speaker 2: Skiing, snowboarding and more. 691 00:32:52,680 --> 00:32:54,920 Speaker 1: So we followed up, what about the gender makeup for 692 00:32:54,960 --> 00:32:58,400 Speaker 1: the ski jumping committee, and yeah, those numbers are bad. 693 00:32:58,920 --> 00:33:01,720 Speaker 1: Of the thirty one members, only for our women. In 694 00:33:01,760 --> 00:33:04,479 Speaker 1: a statement, a FIST spokesperson said that these individuals are 695 00:33:04,480 --> 00:33:07,440 Speaker 1: selected by their national association and that the four women 696 00:33:07,480 --> 00:33:09,960 Speaker 1: are quote far fewer than what we aim to have 697 00:33:10,320 --> 00:33:12,640 Speaker 1: end quote. As for Page, we checked in with her 698 00:33:12,680 --> 00:33:14,560 Speaker 1: to see if anything had changed since we last spoke, 699 00:33:14,880 --> 00:33:16,840 Speaker 1: and she said, quote, as far as I know, they've 700 00:33:16,840 --> 00:33:19,640 Speaker 1: had a female doctor available, since there isn't really any 701 00:33:19,720 --> 00:33:21,760 Speaker 1: talk of finding an alternative to the strip search and 702 00:33:21,840 --> 00:33:25,200 Speaker 1: body scan. However, I'm hoping they've updated their policy forms 703 00:33:25,240 --> 00:33:27,480 Speaker 1: to reflect the new procedure and have it in writing 704 00:33:27,600 --> 00:33:30,600 Speaker 1: somewhere to protect female athletes right to choose a female doctor. 705 00:33:30,880 --> 00:33:33,000 Speaker 1: But I don't actually know if they have Sorry, I 706 00:33:33,000 --> 00:33:34,640 Speaker 1: don't have more of an update for you. We only 707 00:33:34,640 --> 00:33:37,080 Speaker 1: do it once a year, so I haven't witnessed any changes. 708 00:33:37,440 --> 00:33:38,320 Speaker 2: End quote. 709 00:33:38,400 --> 00:33:40,440 Speaker 1: These days pages in the middle of the World Cup 710 00:33:40,440 --> 00:33:42,600 Speaker 1: season as she looks to earn points and qualify for 711 00:33:42,640 --> 00:33:45,880 Speaker 1: the upcoming Milan Courtina Olympics. 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