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Speaker 1: Hi, everybody, It's me Rosie O'Donnell and this is Onward

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Speaker 1: and we have a wonderful podcast for you today. I'm

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Speaker 1: happy to be up and about. I was out for

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Speaker 1: about a week with COVID for the first time. You know,

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Speaker 1: I was always kind of proud of the fact that

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Speaker 1: I hadn't never gotten it, but there it is. My

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Speaker 1: turn was up. I got it and happy that it

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Speaker 1: was mild. You know, I was tiring, but mild and

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Speaker 1: still got a little bit of a throat thing going on.

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Speaker 1: You might be able to hear, but I am no

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Speaker 1: longer contagious hip hip hooray. A lot of news going

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Speaker 1: on this week, a lot of celebrity news. Drew Barrymore

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Speaker 1: was when the hot seat over the decision she made

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Speaker 1: that was it was a lot of press, negative press

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Speaker 1: that she got. And you know, everyone's allowed to change

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Speaker 1: their mind when they take a breath and they realize, well,

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Speaker 1: maybe let me listen to other people's point of view

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Speaker 1: and understand it, reframe it and make a different decision.

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Speaker 1: And I think it's wonderful that she did that. And

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Speaker 1: you know, as a result, other shows now say that

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Speaker 1: they're not going to cross the picket line either, like

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Speaker 1: the talk. And I believe Jennifer Hudson. And that's all

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Speaker 1: because Drew stood up. You know, you can't be the

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Speaker 1: one who crosses the picket line and ruins the actors

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Speaker 1: and writers' ability, the workers of show business to do

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Speaker 1: what they do. So I don't know. I'm Union strong

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Speaker 1: and I'm Drew Barrymore strong, and I think that she

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Speaker 1: did the right thing, so so good for her. And

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Speaker 1: you know, Union strong people, Union strong not asking for

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Speaker 1: anything unreasonable. It's just so that we can continue to

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Speaker 1: exist in the industry that we helped create. There you go,

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Speaker 1: all right. So today is a friend of mine. You

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Speaker 1: know her, you love her. She is the reason that

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Speaker 1: I tested myself for COVID because I was going to

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Speaker 1: see her for lunch, and everybody always makes sure to

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Speaker 1: test before because she lost half her lung had it

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Speaker 1: taken out with cancer. And she's doing great now and

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Speaker 1: she's performing in Vegas on October six that I'm going,

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Speaker 1: and I hope that you will too. She's here here,

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Speaker 1: she is Kathy Griffin. Well, look who's here, Kathy Griffin. Hello,

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Speaker 1: Kathy Griffin. Griffin o' donald o Donald Griffin, tell them

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Speaker 1: the genesis of that h You know, I don't really remember,

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Speaker 1: but I know this.

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Speaker 2: It's every time you call me.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well I always call people their last name.

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Speaker 2: But as oh, absolutely, it's an endearment for me. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: but as if I don't know your voice as it

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Speaker 2: you need to identify yourself like you're a telemarketer.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, grifin O'Donnell Donald Griffin. I just want to see

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Speaker 1: how you do it, you know. Yeah, I know, I

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Speaker 1: don't know. I've done it for a long time, but

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Speaker 1: until you pointed it out, I didn't realize it. They

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Speaker 1: put one of my specials, I know. Yeah, you talk

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Speaker 1: like this is your impression of o'donald. Jack it up

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Speaker 1: a little. I jack it up a little.

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Speaker 2: I ambellish, you know, embellishment.

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Speaker 1: But your embellishments are delightful. Oh hey, I'm just happy

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Speaker 1: to be back on stage. First of all, let's talk

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Speaker 1: about your miraculous, resurgent, emergent, amazing performance in Vegas that

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Speaker 1: you already did and you're going back very soon.

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Speaker 2: Yes, on Friday, October sixth, I'll be at the Mirage

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Speaker 2: in Las Vegas, and I cannot wait, so on June twelfth,

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Speaker 2: ro I did my first show in five year.

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Speaker 1: Now, tell me how it came about.

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Speaker 2: First of all, Okay, so basically, the Trump scandal happened

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Speaker 2: six years ago, you know, and I've been you know,

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Speaker 2: of has tentacles to this day. Then I got cancer,

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Speaker 2: So my voice is a bit altered. I'm kind of

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Speaker 2: I've had this kind of scratchy voice and now it's

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Speaker 1: Fantastic.

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Speaker 2: That is the best part. I had lung cancer even

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Speaker 2: though I've never smoked.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, isn't that wild? I know, do they know a percent?

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Speaker 1: What's the percentage of people who get that who've never smeked?

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Speaker 2: It's getting much higher, especially for women.

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Speaker 2: Because of pollution, they asked me if I had been

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Speaker 1: pesticides and think we were emerged in a cloud. Yes,

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Speaker 3: Right.

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Speaker 1: They would just drive drive right down the middle of

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Speaker 1: the street. Yes, and we would wipe piper. Yes, and

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Speaker 2: We didn't know any better.

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Speaker 1: And is that raid on in there? Is that?

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Speaker 2: Someone asked me if it was possibly from smoke doing

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Speaker 2: clubs at the beginning of my career. I'm not sure,

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Speaker 2: but I got it. It's more common to women. And

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Speaker 2: the audience at Vegas was very forgiving.

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Speaker 1: Right, because you talk about it right up front.

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Speaker 3: Right.

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Speaker 1: I gotta say right up front because I don't want

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Speaker 1: people to wonder why I have this voice or it

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Speaker 2: Like I have a bad cough or something. But you know,

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Speaker 2: and I also do a lot of jokes about cancer

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Speaker 2: because I say to the audience, clap if you have

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Speaker 2: been touched in any way, your family, yourself, your loved

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Speaker 2: ones by cancer, and of course the whole place clap.

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Speaker 1: Sure.

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Speaker 2: So as our mutual friend friend Dresher knows and when

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Speaker 2: she wrote Cancer Schmancer, there's actually a lot of comedy

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Speaker 1: And you know, they know that the reason I haven't

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Speaker 1: And do you do you bring that up again or

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Speaker 2: Or you know what's funny, bro, I actually don't mention

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Speaker 1: That's fantastic.

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Speaker 2: It's not even on purpose. I just have done that.

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Speaker 2: I made a whole movie about the scandal called Cathy

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Speaker 2: Griffin A Hell of a Story.

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Speaker 1: You can see it on Amazon. I think it's even

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Speaker 2: News, like obviously the mug shot coming out, I would

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Speaker 2: definitely acknowledge it if I had a show show, But

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Speaker 2: in this particular show, he just doesn't come up. And

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Speaker 2: I'm kind of just too busy talking about cancer. And

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Speaker 2: about that. I've been diagnosed with complex PTSD, which I

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Speaker 2: know sounds funny and it should only be for combat veterans,

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Speaker 2: talk about my therapies for that, because it's a lot

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Speaker 2: one of my therapies, I'm just going to tell you

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Speaker 2: make fun of me.

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Speaker 1: I will.

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Speaker 2: You can get all Long Island on me.

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Speaker 1: I can and I can take it all, right, Griffin

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Speaker 1: o'donald says, go okay, So I get on all fours, huh.

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Speaker 1: And part of my therapy is I do something called

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Speaker 1: so I do. And when you put your head up,

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Speaker 2: And you know what, Let me tell you something. After

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Speaker 2: my cancer, my PTSD was so bad. I I'm not

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Speaker 1: I remember this fit I got it. It was so scary.

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Speaker 2: I covered in flop sweat. Yes, I got a resting tremor,

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Speaker 1: Can I ask a question real quick? The PTSD was

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Speaker 1: definitely from the Trump situation, But do you think it

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Speaker 2: Absolutely?

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Speaker 2: I think I thought when they took out my half,

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Speaker 2: I thought I was going to go back to being

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Speaker 2: until I found an amazing female doctor named doctor Anka Barboo.

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Speaker 2: She helped me go from a voice which you saw

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Speaker 1: I actually sounded like this. Yes, and that will mess

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Speaker 1: with your head. Yes.

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Speaker 2: So I think frankly, from being such a happy workaholic

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Speaker 2: ringing for five years.

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Speaker 1: Now, what would happen when you would call and say,

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Speaker 1: you know, I'm interested in working again, that people would

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Speaker 1: just say no? It would you know?

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Speaker 3: I mean?

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Speaker 2: It was everything from you know, I didn't have an

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Speaker 2: agent or a publicist or manager.

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Speaker 1: Oh wait, I should tell you this. Okay.

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Speaker 2: I had a publicist for a while and I found

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Speaker 2: out he was one of these qanons.

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Speaker 1: Oh god, So how did you end up with a

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Speaker 1: QAnon publicist? First of all, leave it to me, okay.

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Speaker 2: So I'm looking on the TikTok and by the.

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Speaker 1: Way, I am very bitter about you. Why let me

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Speaker 1: tell you? Why tell me?

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Speaker 2: Because I work my ass off for that freaking TikTok.

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Speaker 2: I'm doing skits, I'm putting hair and makeup on.

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Speaker 1: You know what you do?

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Speaker 2: You wake up with your no makeup and you just

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Speaker 2: talk to people two million followers. All right, I'm doing cartwheels.

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Speaker 2: I got my lips tattooed. How was that painful?

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Speaker 1: Very painful? Well, let me say they look very good

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Speaker 1: right now.

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Speaker 2: Well, you know I don't always have to publisticod anymore,

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Speaker 2: and so for me, it's actually been a great thing.

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Speaker 2: It's called lip blushing. But I had like giant swollen

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Speaker 2: A little bit, Uh, huh, and they go in there

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Speaker 1: You know, I don't know anyone who loves to work

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Speaker 2: I mean all those shows, I love them, by the way,

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00:22:07,480 --> 00:22:12,160
Speaker 2: but you know, those shows ran internationally did very well,

439
00:22:12,800 --> 00:22:15,080
Speaker 2: and I think when you have someone with that kind

440
00:22:15,119 --> 00:22:18,720
Speaker 2: of financial business ethos, they're not going to do it

441
00:22:18,720 --> 00:22:23,160
Speaker 2: any other way. And so for somebody like me, when

442
00:22:23,200 --> 00:22:26,159
Speaker 2: I would make an enemy of someone like a Leslie

443
00:22:26,240 --> 00:22:28,560
Speaker 2: Moonvez who used to be the head of CBS, and

444
00:22:28,600 --> 00:22:31,480
Speaker 2: I would tussle with him and confront him about certain things,

445
00:22:32,359 --> 00:22:35,840
Speaker 2: and he says, Okay, Kathy Griffin's on the shit list,

446
00:22:36,520 --> 00:22:38,560
Speaker 2: and then the board of directors backs him up.

447
00:22:39,160 --> 00:22:42,480
Speaker 1: Then I go, gosh, that's why I haven't.

448
00:22:42,240 --> 00:22:44,600
Speaker 2: Worked at CBS in fifteen years or whatever. And I

449
00:22:44,640 --> 00:22:47,080
Speaker 2: would tussle with a guy named Jeff Zucker, who is

450
00:22:47,240 --> 00:22:49,359
Speaker 2: the head of NBC and then the head of the

451
00:22:49,359 --> 00:22:52,399
Speaker 2: head of a CNN. Well, Jeff had issues with me

452
00:22:52,920 --> 00:22:56,320
Speaker 2: because I used to personally ask for a raise for

453
00:22:56,440 --> 00:22:59,119
Speaker 2: Kathy Griffin my life on the d list. Because NBC

454
00:22:59,240 --> 00:23:04,119
Speaker 2: owns Bravo and now Comcast, I think I can't even remember.

455
00:23:04,240 --> 00:23:06,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's so many now, right.

456
00:23:06,320 --> 00:23:09,680
Speaker 2: But you know, so I think I've learned my lesson.

457
00:23:09,720 --> 00:23:11,760
Speaker 2: It's not a great lesson to learn, but let me

458
00:23:11,760 --> 00:23:14,800
Speaker 2: tell you, I'm just a lot less confrontational because at

459
00:23:14,800 --> 00:23:18,160
Speaker 2: this point I don't mean to sound lazy, but it's

460
00:23:18,240 --> 00:23:20,399
Speaker 2: kind of like how I'm starting to feel about feminism

461
00:23:20,440 --> 00:23:22,280
Speaker 2: and I'm going to get blown back for this. Yeah,

462
00:23:22,320 --> 00:23:25,359
Speaker 2: but I'm kind of like, can the young women take over? Like,

463
00:23:25,440 --> 00:23:28,320
Speaker 2: can the younger chicks be like getting in trouble with executives?

464
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Speaker 1: Because I feel like I still am and well, do

465
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Speaker 1: you know, can I think I told you this once.

466
00:23:33,800 --> 00:23:37,280
Speaker 1: I have never talked to any of those kinds. I

467
00:23:37,400 --> 00:23:39,520
Speaker 1: never went to the head of you know, I would

468
00:23:39,520 --> 00:23:42,159
Speaker 1: call my agent and say, Nancy, could you please do this?

469
00:23:42,280 --> 00:23:44,520
Speaker 1: Could you do that? Could you I never in my

470
00:23:44,640 --> 00:23:49,160
Speaker 1: life would consider calling Jeff Zucker or any of them.

471
00:23:49,480 --> 00:23:51,359
Speaker 2: I don't know ever in my life had an agent

472
00:23:51,400 --> 00:23:53,480
Speaker 2: that would do it for me. So they just took

473
00:23:53,520 --> 00:23:56,639
Speaker 2: the no, and I went like CNN, for example, New

474
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Speaker 2: Year's Eve, which I very much missed doing that gig.

475
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Speaker 1: Sure, it was just fun and I just loved Anderson

476
00:24:03,280 --> 00:24:05,880
Speaker 1: and I would honestly be thinking of jokes all year round.

477
00:24:05,960 --> 00:24:07,040
Speaker 1: It was just so much fun.

478
00:24:07,560 --> 00:24:10,000
Speaker 2: And you know that broadcast went from ninety minutes to

479
00:24:10,040 --> 00:24:13,199
Speaker 2: four and a half hours. And I, you know, asked

480
00:24:13,320 --> 00:24:15,600
Speaker 2: my agents to get me raised and the answer was no.

481
00:24:16,320 --> 00:24:18,920
Speaker 2: And I would personally call Jeff and we would tussle,

482
00:24:19,040 --> 00:24:21,439
Speaker 2: and you know, all sorts of things would happen on

483
00:24:21,440 --> 00:24:23,600
Speaker 2: those calls. I mean one time I had my mother,

484
00:24:23,800 --> 00:24:26,680
Speaker 2: my ninety nine year old mother called Jeff Sucker as

485
00:24:26,760 --> 00:24:28,720
Speaker 2: like a comedy bit to try to get a raise.

486
00:24:29,119 --> 00:24:33,520
Speaker 2: Like I tried everything with these guys, and sometimes.

487
00:24:33,040 --> 00:24:35,719
Speaker 1: It would work, and sometimes it wouldn't right, And I

488
00:24:35,760 --> 00:24:38,920
Speaker 1: think sometimes when it would work, I think they still

489
00:24:38,920 --> 00:24:42,439
Speaker 1: resented me, you know, Like, yes, I went to a

490
00:24:42,480 --> 00:24:45,719
Speaker 1: guy named Peter Roth who was the head of Warner Brothers,

491
00:24:46,280 --> 00:24:48,520
Speaker 1: because I thought I deserved a raise on that show.

492
00:24:48,520 --> 00:24:55,119
Speaker 1: Suddenly Susan and I couldn't get a raise, and so

493
00:24:53,520 --> 00:24:59,080
Speaker 1: I called this before even emails are texting, I think.

494
00:24:59,480 --> 00:25:01,520
Speaker 1: And I went into his office one day at the

495
00:25:01,600 --> 00:25:04,040
Speaker 1: end of the day at like six thirty pm, and

496
00:25:04,040 --> 00:25:05,520
Speaker 1: you had an appointment. No.

497
00:25:05,600 --> 00:25:07,480
Speaker 2: I called him in and I said, there's an emergency.

498
00:25:07,480 --> 00:25:09,240
Speaker 2: I need to talk to you.

499
00:25:09,240 --> 00:25:12,920
Speaker 1: You called him personally. Wow, there's an emergency. I need

500
00:25:12,960 --> 00:25:13,399
Speaker 1: to talk to you.

501
00:25:13,520 --> 00:25:15,520
Speaker 2: And I think, I said, or I may not be

502
00:25:15,560 --> 00:25:18,160
Speaker 2: able to come to work tomorrow, Oh.

503
00:25:18,040 --> 00:25:20,840
Speaker 1: Honey, And you played ard ball this I did with

504
00:25:20,960 --> 00:25:22,680
Speaker 1: the head guys, Yes.

505
00:25:23,119 --> 00:25:25,920
Speaker 2: Like an idiot, like I really thought. I mean, look,

506
00:25:25,920 --> 00:25:26,560
Speaker 2: it kind of works.

507
00:25:26,560 --> 00:25:27,080
Speaker 1: So I went in.

508
00:25:27,640 --> 00:25:31,040
Speaker 2: I had all my stats. I said, look, this, that

509
00:25:31,119 --> 00:25:33,040
Speaker 2: and the other. Here's why I think I deserve a raise.

510
00:25:33,040 --> 00:25:33,439
Speaker 1: I wouldn't.

511
00:25:33,440 --> 00:25:35,680
Speaker 2: I wouldn't go in with no stats. I went, this

512
00:25:35,720 --> 00:25:37,119
Speaker 2: is what I'm earning, this is what I'm doing on

513
00:25:37,160 --> 00:25:39,600
Speaker 2: the road, this is my level of visibility.

514
00:25:39,840 --> 00:25:40,800
Speaker 1: This is my Q score.

515
00:25:40,840 --> 00:25:43,480
Speaker 2: If you don't know what Q scores are, it's your

516
00:25:44,000 --> 00:25:47,160
Speaker 2: television scores on how recognizable you are and how likable.

517
00:25:47,560 --> 00:25:50,840
Speaker 2: I'm always more recognizable than likable. But I went in

518
00:25:51,240 --> 00:25:52,520
Speaker 2: and I said, we're going to do this like a

519
00:25:52,600 --> 00:25:55,280
Speaker 2: used car sale. And he kept saying, we're not doing this.

520
00:25:55,480 --> 00:25:58,199
Speaker 2: Talent doesn't do this. So I brought cocktail in actions

521
00:25:58,240 --> 00:26:00,359
Speaker 2: with me. I said, I'm going to write a number,

522
00:26:00,840 --> 00:26:02,240
Speaker 2: and then you're going to write a number. Were to

523
00:26:02,359 --> 00:26:05,000
Speaker 2: switch napkins, and he kept saying, I'm not going to

524
00:26:05,080 --> 00:26:07,359
Speaker 2: do this with you, and so he goes, look, maybe

525
00:26:07,359 --> 00:26:09,840
Speaker 2: tomorrow i'll call your agent, and I knew the agent

526
00:26:09,920 --> 00:26:12,160
Speaker 2: was kind of done negotiating, and the answer was zero.

527
00:26:12,680 --> 00:26:15,240
Speaker 2: So I wrote a number and then I gave it

528
00:26:15,280 --> 00:26:17,199
Speaker 2: to him and he said, you're crazy. And I just

529
00:26:17,320 --> 00:26:20,840
Speaker 2: kept making him laugh and doing bits and I mean everything,

530
00:26:20,840 --> 00:26:24,399
Speaker 2: the cartwheels, and finally I got the rais and I

531
00:26:24,440 --> 00:26:26,439
Speaker 2: got more than double of what I was making in

532
00:26:26,560 --> 00:26:29,040
Speaker 2: the room. You got what I did, and he said,

533
00:26:29,040 --> 00:26:31,280
Speaker 2: you wore me down. He said, you were so funny,

534
00:26:31,280 --> 00:26:34,159
Speaker 2: and you wore me down. So that was one incident

535
00:26:34,240 --> 00:26:37,199
Speaker 2: where it actually went well. I like Peter Roth. I

536
00:26:37,240 --> 00:26:41,119
Speaker 2: don't know if he thinks I'm difficult, too expensive, but

537
00:26:41,520 --> 00:26:44,600
Speaker 2: that was one time it kind of worked. But remember

538
00:26:44,680 --> 00:26:48,000
Speaker 2: how long agoes that. That was like twenty five years ago.

539
00:26:48,560 --> 00:26:50,560
Speaker 2: So I think I thought, oh, I can do this

540
00:26:50,600 --> 00:26:53,919
Speaker 2: with Comedy Central, I can do this with HBO, you know,

541
00:26:54,200 --> 00:26:57,119
Speaker 2: and the agents would just kind of take a no,

542
00:26:57,400 --> 00:27:00,560
Speaker 2: because sometimes the agents, you know, they're kind of more

543
00:27:00,560 --> 00:27:03,800
Speaker 2: in bed with the check signer than just little Dalist

544
00:27:03,920 --> 00:27:05,040
Speaker 2: Kathy Griffin.

545
00:27:04,880 --> 00:27:07,040
Speaker 1: Or there are other clients that they want to protect too.

546
00:27:07,080 --> 00:27:08,840
Speaker 1: They don't want to pissol off the head guy.

547
00:27:09,080 --> 00:27:11,440
Speaker 2: And I was never the big client, you know. I mean, look,

548
00:27:11,440 --> 00:27:15,679
Speaker 2: you had giant contracts, and so I think your agent

549
00:27:16,000 --> 00:27:19,160
Speaker 2: really knew, like, hey, there's really big money coming in

550
00:27:19,240 --> 00:27:22,840
Speaker 2: from the Rosy Empire, frankly, and you know, my little

551
00:27:22,880 --> 00:27:25,760
Speaker 2: Dalist empire. I made a good buck, but I never

552
00:27:25,880 --> 00:27:28,639
Speaker 2: was getting the five million a year or any anything

553
00:27:28,680 --> 00:27:32,639
Speaker 2: close to that. So I tussled a lot, and I

554
00:27:32,680 --> 00:27:35,280
Speaker 2: think I was kind of just raised that way anyway.

555
00:27:35,400 --> 00:27:37,520
Speaker 2: So it was like a combination of how I just

556
00:27:37,760 --> 00:27:42,400
Speaker 2: was as a person. But I really I had thought, Okay.

557
00:27:42,119 --> 00:27:45,320
Speaker 1: This is it. If I dance enough, they're going to

558
00:27:45,400 --> 00:27:47,880
Speaker 1: give me what the guys get. We'll be right back

559
00:27:47,880 --> 00:28:11,879
Speaker 1: with Kathy Griffin. Do you think since the cancer and

560
00:28:11,960 --> 00:28:16,280
Speaker 1: since what you call the cancelation, that you've changed like

561
00:28:16,440 --> 00:28:19,560
Speaker 1: you would you do that now? I would not do no, honestly.

562
00:28:20,080 --> 00:28:23,200
Speaker 2: The nice thing is knock on wood. Our mutual dear friend,

563
00:28:23,280 --> 00:28:27,840
Speaker 2: Susie Rman, your girlfriend approved, you.

564
00:28:27,960 --> 00:28:29,360
Speaker 1: Can do part it well.

565
00:28:29,359 --> 00:28:32,960
Speaker 2: She and I are still good friends. And you know, look,

566
00:28:33,160 --> 00:28:35,960
Speaker 2: I am very proud that I worked as hard as

567
00:28:35,960 --> 00:28:38,360
Speaker 2: I did, and I'm proud that I'm good with money.

568
00:28:38,640 --> 00:28:40,880
Speaker 1: You really are. You live a beautiful now. You don't

569
00:28:40,920 --> 00:28:43,360
Speaker 1: have children, you got a lot of adults, you're married,

570
00:28:43,640 --> 00:28:48,360
Speaker 1: but you know you have a very successful celebrity life.

571
00:28:48,400 --> 00:28:51,160
Speaker 2: I think I'm very lucky. I always say I only

572
00:28:51,240 --> 00:28:53,560
Speaker 2: have two talents. I'm funny and I'm good with money.

573
00:28:53,960 --> 00:28:57,400
Speaker 2: And so I'm in a position where I don't have

574
00:28:57,560 --> 00:29:01,080
Speaker 2: to take a crappy gig, and I won't, but I'll

575
00:29:01,080 --> 00:29:03,040
Speaker 2: never be in a position where I can demand what

576
00:29:03,160 --> 00:29:05,280
Speaker 2: the guy's got, you know. I mean, I think about

577
00:29:05,280 --> 00:29:07,360
Speaker 2: the guys I came up with, you know, Ray Romano,

578
00:29:08,120 --> 00:29:12,320
Speaker 2: David Spade, Kevin James, you know, kind of the guys

579
00:29:12,360 --> 00:29:15,440
Speaker 2: who are like around circling when we were all just

580
00:29:15,480 --> 00:29:16,000
Speaker 2: doing sets.

581
00:29:16,280 --> 00:29:19,080
Speaker 1: Sure, yes, they were around with me as well. We're

582
00:29:19,080 --> 00:29:22,160
Speaker 1: in we're the same age. So yeah, all those guys, yes,

583
00:29:22,640 --> 00:29:25,280
Speaker 1: but you know, they had tremendous success on a sitcom,

584
00:29:25,400 --> 00:29:28,560
Speaker 1: all of them. They had. David was of course on SNL,

585
00:29:28,600 --> 00:29:32,000
Speaker 1: but the other two had successful sitcoms for many years.

586
00:29:32,080 --> 00:29:36,080
Speaker 1: And you know, it's hard sometimes to compare yourself to

587
00:29:36,200 --> 00:29:39,719
Speaker 1: other people. I find it for me, it's very unhelpful

588
00:29:40,080 --> 00:29:42,920
Speaker 1: because there's no way that you know what's going on

589
00:29:43,040 --> 00:29:46,600
Speaker 1: in someone's life or world or but the blatant, you know,

590
00:29:47,360 --> 00:29:51,840
Speaker 1: anti woman sentiment is still there. Yeah, you know, we're

591
00:29:51,880 --> 00:29:53,760
Speaker 1: not at equal pay really anywhere.

592
00:29:53,880 --> 00:29:57,240
Speaker 2: No, No, And I certainly am not bitching because, like

593
00:29:57,280 --> 00:29:59,320
Speaker 2: you said, I have a great life and I'm very

594
00:29:59,320 --> 00:30:02,000
Speaker 2: grateful for that. But I am discouraged that there isn't

595
00:30:02,000 --> 00:30:06,960
Speaker 2: more progress made, and I what discourages me the most

596
00:30:07,040 --> 00:30:09,200
Speaker 2: is I don't want younger women to go through what

597
00:30:09,240 --> 00:30:12,120
Speaker 2: I did, where you have one meeting with an executive

598
00:30:12,160 --> 00:30:15,040
Speaker 2: and they're pissed off at you for twenty freaking years,

599
00:30:15,440 --> 00:30:17,160
Speaker 2: like some of these guys are pissed off at me

600
00:30:17,240 --> 00:30:20,280
Speaker 2: to this day, and I'm thinking, oh, my gosh, I

601
00:30:20,320 --> 00:30:23,080
Speaker 2: asked for a raise fifteen years ago, you know, or whatever,

602
00:30:23,680 --> 00:30:27,560
Speaker 2: and you know, just a lot of bizarre, spiteful behavior.

603
00:30:27,680 --> 00:30:32,960
Speaker 2: Like yes, when I the year Trump was elected, I

604
00:30:33,200 --> 00:30:34,520
Speaker 2: was my I think it might have been my last

605
00:30:34,600 --> 00:30:37,320
Speaker 2: year on cn ANAM. Yeah, that's right, of course it was.

606
00:30:37,800 --> 00:30:41,440
Speaker 2: And Jeff Zucker called me and he said, okay, I'll

607
00:30:41,440 --> 00:30:45,040
Speaker 2: give you one Trump joke an hour. And I said, Jeff,

608
00:30:45,080 --> 00:30:50,480
Speaker 2: he's you've never done this before. I said, it sounds

609
00:30:50,600 --> 00:30:52,400
Speaker 2: like you're being a posty and you're scared of him.

610
00:30:52,480 --> 00:30:55,760
Speaker 2: By the way, hence me having enemies with executives, because

611
00:30:55,800 --> 00:30:58,560
Speaker 2: that's how I talk to them. And I said, you know,

612
00:30:59,160 --> 00:31:02,320
Speaker 2: do we have a four to our broad broadcast and

613
00:31:02,480 --> 00:31:05,880
Speaker 2: he's in the news like constantly, but for his own

614
00:31:05,920 --> 00:31:09,520
Speaker 2: bizarre behavior, but also the world is watching it. This

615
00:31:09,600 --> 00:31:12,440
Speaker 2: is a global broadcast and I said, look, I don't

616
00:31:12,480 --> 00:31:13,960
Speaker 2: want to do four and a half hours on Trump

617
00:31:14,000 --> 00:31:16,560
Speaker 2: at all. But I said, I'm just kind of surprised.

618
00:31:17,120 --> 00:31:18,719
Speaker 2: I said, you know, I know you guys all had

619
00:31:18,720 --> 00:31:20,920
Speaker 2: this big meeting with Trump, but he's first elected. And

620
00:31:20,960 --> 00:31:23,840
Speaker 2: I saw the videos of Diane Sawyer walking in and

621
00:31:24,200 --> 00:31:26,800
Speaker 2: Jake Tapper walking in and what did he say in

622
00:31:26,840 --> 00:31:27,280
Speaker 2: that meeting?

623
00:31:27,520 --> 00:31:27,760
Speaker 1: Right?

624
00:31:27,920 --> 00:31:31,200
Speaker 2: And he wouldn't tell me. And then I said, well,

625
00:31:31,240 --> 00:31:33,000
Speaker 2: I'll do the best I can, but my job is

626
00:31:33,040 --> 00:31:33,520
Speaker 2: to be funny.

627
00:31:33,560 --> 00:31:34,440
Speaker 1: And that's how you hired me.

628
00:31:35,080 --> 00:31:37,400
Speaker 2: And then Jeff Zucker for the first and last time,

629
00:31:37,480 --> 00:31:40,479
Speaker 2: actually showed up at the platform, no kidding, and I

630
00:31:40,560 --> 00:31:43,640
Speaker 2: just thought that was very odd, Like, I think you

631
00:31:43,680 --> 00:31:45,880
Speaker 2: guys can trust me. The ratings have only gone up,

632
00:31:46,480 --> 00:31:50,240
Speaker 2: you know, and so stuff like that. It still sticks

633
00:31:50,240 --> 00:31:53,560
Speaker 2: with me because I'm shocked at the length certain people go,

634
00:31:54,600 --> 00:31:57,000
Speaker 2: certain people have gone to quote put me in my place,

635
00:31:57,600 --> 00:32:00,440
Speaker 2: and that is something that is that ways have on me,

636
00:32:00,560 --> 00:32:03,120
Speaker 2: because I don't think it should be like that. Now,

637
00:32:03,200 --> 00:32:04,840
Speaker 2: do you want it to be better for the younger women?

638
00:32:05,000 --> 00:32:13,040
Speaker 1: Do you think since your really tremendously visible happy state

639
00:32:13,080 --> 00:32:17,280
Speaker 1: of mind, I mean, you look so happy, you look happy,

640
00:32:17,360 --> 00:32:19,960
Speaker 1: You look like so much better than last year. Yeah,

641
00:32:20,080 --> 00:32:24,400
Speaker 1: you feel like you're more able to take on the life.

642
00:32:24,440 --> 00:32:27,440
Speaker 1: And and and I think, and if you could, if

643
00:32:27,440 --> 00:32:30,840
Speaker 1: you would explain, like what did it feel like when

644
00:32:30,880 --> 00:32:36,040
Speaker 1: you walked out into the sold out Mirage Theater and

645
00:32:36,120 --> 00:32:38,240
Speaker 1: the people weren't great? Like what what did it feel

646
00:32:38,280 --> 00:32:40,240
Speaker 1: like to get back in the water on a huge

647
00:32:40,240 --> 00:32:44,520
Speaker 1: wave and surf a huge Vegas casino and kill it? Well,

648
00:32:44,560 --> 00:32:47,960
Speaker 1: I've been trying it to cry, okay, because honestly, it

649
00:32:48,040 --> 00:32:49,200
Speaker 1: felt like I was home.

650
00:32:49,000 --> 00:32:51,040
Speaker 2: For the first time in five years. As well, I

651
00:32:51,240 --> 00:32:55,200
Speaker 2: felt like I was home. The audience was so loving.

652
00:32:55,360 --> 00:32:59,360
Speaker 2: They were standing, they were clapping, and I understand they

653
00:32:59,480 --> 00:33:01,800
Speaker 2: I hadn't even open my mouth yet they were clapping

654
00:33:01,840 --> 00:33:05,920
Speaker 2: because I think I appreciate very much when people think

655
00:33:05,960 --> 00:33:09,440
Speaker 2: I'm alive and thriving or whatever people say, and that's

656
00:33:09,720 --> 00:33:12,800
Speaker 2: the truth. And I think the folks that come to

657
00:33:12,840 --> 00:33:16,400
Speaker 2: my shows, there's an understanding that I've been through kind

658
00:33:16,440 --> 00:33:19,600
Speaker 2: of the mill and you're honest about I talk about it.

659
00:33:19,680 --> 00:33:23,800
Speaker 2: And also I really enjoy talking about it because, as

660
00:33:23,840 --> 00:33:28,040
Speaker 2: I said, at this point, between COVID or between like

661
00:33:28,080 --> 00:33:32,120
Speaker 2: I said, cancer or recovery, who hasn't been through the mill, right,

662
00:33:32,200 --> 00:33:35,480
Speaker 2: And so I will always make fun of celebrities, and

663
00:33:35,560 --> 00:33:39,080
Speaker 2: celebrity culture will always fascinate me. But you know, I've

664
00:33:39,160 --> 00:33:42,080
Speaker 2: kind of moved away from talking about the Kardashians all

665
00:33:42,120 --> 00:33:47,040
Speaker 2: the time or talking about this celebrity. Now I talk

666
00:33:47,080 --> 00:33:48,680
Speaker 2: about some of it, and certainly if I've had a

667
00:33:48,760 --> 00:33:51,160
Speaker 2: run in with somebody that's that's funny to me, I'll

668
00:33:51,160 --> 00:33:54,800
Speaker 2: try to make it funny or but you know, I

669
00:33:54,840 --> 00:33:57,560
Speaker 2: am talking a little more about stuff I've been through

670
00:33:58,040 --> 00:34:00,720
Speaker 2: in a way hopefully that the audience can relate to.

671
00:34:01,200 --> 00:34:03,800
Speaker 2: And so that show is so meaningful to me because

672
00:34:04,720 --> 00:34:08,879
Speaker 2: you know, it showed such support and obviously for five

673
00:34:09,000 --> 00:34:13,200
Speaker 2: years I really doubted if any support was there because

674
00:34:13,239 --> 00:34:16,040
Speaker 2: the business was sending me a message that was kind

675
00:34:16,040 --> 00:34:18,600
Speaker 2: of like, no, thank you, You're not welcome here. And

676
00:34:18,640 --> 00:34:22,120
Speaker 2: it's a business I love. I haven't been treated so

677
00:34:22,200 --> 00:34:24,000
Speaker 2: great by it. It's something it can be a crappy

678
00:34:24,040 --> 00:34:27,120
Speaker 2: boyfriend sometimes, but it's a business I love, and like

679
00:34:27,160 --> 00:34:30,319
Speaker 2: I said, I live to make people laugh. So to

680
00:34:30,360 --> 00:34:32,880
Speaker 2: have that taken from me for five years, yes.

681
00:34:33,160 --> 00:34:35,600
Speaker 1: Was like a whole And so were there little clubs

682
00:34:35,600 --> 00:34:37,359
Speaker 1: you could go to could you do an open mic night,

683
00:34:37,440 --> 00:34:40,000
Speaker 1: could you walk into the improve and say give me

684
00:34:40,080 --> 00:34:42,960
Speaker 1: ten or I Well, I've never really done well in

685
00:34:43,000 --> 00:34:46,560
Speaker 1: clubs because sometimes if I'm like sandwich between the two

686
00:34:46,600 --> 00:34:49,799
Speaker 1: bro comics, it's kind of a tough vibe because I'm

687
00:34:49,840 --> 00:34:52,640
Speaker 1: more of a storyteller, and you know, my joke is

688
00:34:52,640 --> 00:34:54,840
Speaker 1: it takes me ten minutes to even finish saying hello,

689
00:34:55,480 --> 00:34:58,400
Speaker 1: and so I'm better in a little long form situation.

690
00:34:58,600 --> 00:35:01,400
Speaker 1: But I did one thing, like one time, I just

691
00:35:01,440 --> 00:35:04,000
Speaker 1: did five Mondays at the laugh Factory and it was

692
00:35:04,120 --> 00:35:06,759
Speaker 1: just me and it was when the other comics were done.

693
00:35:06,800 --> 00:35:08,600
Speaker 1: I think I did a ten PM show or something

694
00:35:09,120 --> 00:35:13,000
Speaker 1: and those were fantastic. Now that was prior to my cancer,

695
00:35:13,239 --> 00:35:15,640
Speaker 1: it was even prior to COVID Wow. But I just

696
00:35:15,840 --> 00:35:18,360
Speaker 1: literally put on a different set of PJS every Monday,

697
00:35:18,920 --> 00:35:20,720
Speaker 1: went there, danced around.

698
00:35:21,040 --> 00:35:23,440
Speaker 2: I did a different hour every single week.

699
00:35:23,440 --> 00:35:26,640
Speaker 1: Which people don't understand how hard that is to do

700
00:35:26,760 --> 00:35:31,319
Speaker 1: another hour every week. I mean, these comedians, some of

701
00:35:31,360 --> 00:35:38,239
Speaker 1: them are so unbelievably productive, Like I could not do

702
00:35:38,280 --> 00:35:42,280
Speaker 1: that takes me a lot an hour a week. Cat, No, honey,

703
00:35:42,320 --> 00:35:44,640
Speaker 1: I couldn't. But thank you for believing in me. But

704
00:35:45,440 --> 00:35:49,000
Speaker 1: I'm you know, I'm definitely going to start doing it again,

705
00:35:49,320 --> 00:35:53,120
Speaker 1: going to go to Wendy Leibman's. Wendy's so funny. She's

706
00:35:53,160 --> 00:35:55,839
Speaker 1: so great. I loved her back way back when her

707
00:35:55,880 --> 00:35:57,520
Speaker 1: delivery is so many.

708
00:35:57,680 --> 00:35:59,320
Speaker 2: She never seen her bomb I'm not kidding.

709
00:35:59,440 --> 00:36:01,960
Speaker 1: Never rights so funny, she really is. And she has

710
00:36:02,000 --> 00:36:04,520
Speaker 1: a club in the valley that she books. So I

711
00:36:04,680 --> 00:36:07,239
Speaker 1: talked to her on the TikTok Yes and I'm like,

712
00:36:07,560 --> 00:36:09,720
Speaker 1: could I ever just come down? She's like, of course,

713
00:36:09,920 --> 00:36:10,120
Speaker 1: you know.

714
00:36:10,880 --> 00:36:13,719
Speaker 2: Now for me, I have to say yeah. For me,

715
00:36:14,160 --> 00:36:17,479
Speaker 2: that's called burning tickets. So, for example, if my last

716
00:36:17,480 --> 00:36:19,000
Speaker 2: time I played in La I got to play the

717
00:36:19,040 --> 00:36:21,080
Speaker 2: Kodak Theater. I think it's now called the Hollywood and

718
00:36:21,120 --> 00:36:23,640
Speaker 2: Highland Theater where they have the Oscars. It's one of

719
00:36:23,680 --> 00:36:25,680
Speaker 2: my favorite theaters to play in the world. It's just

720
00:36:25,760 --> 00:36:29,120
Speaker 2: gorgeous and the acoustics are amazing, thirty three hundred capacity,

721
00:36:29,840 --> 00:36:32,799
Speaker 2: And frankly, if I go and do a pop up

722
00:36:32,800 --> 00:36:36,520
Speaker 2: at a club, there's three hundred people that might go.

723
00:36:36,719 --> 00:36:37,120
Speaker 1: You know what.

724
00:36:37,239 --> 00:36:39,239
Speaker 2: I like Kathy Griffin, but I kind of just saw

725
00:36:39,280 --> 00:36:42,480
Speaker 2: her two months ago. So that's kind of where I'm

726
00:36:42,480 --> 00:36:45,839
Speaker 2: coming from. Is I have a dream of going back

727
00:36:45,880 --> 00:36:47,879
Speaker 2: to the great venues that I could play five years

728
00:36:47,920 --> 00:36:51,200
Speaker 2: ago on my last tour. Kathy Griffin, laugh your head off,

729
00:36:51,440 --> 00:36:56,680
Speaker 2: and I love you know, the Masonic in San Francisco.

730
00:36:57,320 --> 00:37:01,040
Speaker 2: I would love to play Carnegie Hall again. I have

731
00:37:01,120 --> 00:37:04,920
Speaker 2: a dream of playing Radio City again, and so I'm

732
00:37:05,000 --> 00:37:07,800
Speaker 2: trying desperately to work up to that. And I will say,

733
00:37:08,360 --> 00:37:10,759
Speaker 2: I think the reason I sold out in Vegas, and

734
00:37:10,800 --> 00:37:12,880
Speaker 2: I think the reason I'm selling well for the October

735
00:37:12,920 --> 00:37:15,880
Speaker 2: sixth show is people haven't seen me in five years, correct.

736
00:37:16,200 --> 00:37:18,640
Speaker 2: And I was so touched because at the show in

737
00:37:18,719 --> 00:37:22,320
Speaker 2: June I heard from someone that came from Paris, Wow,

738
00:37:22,600 --> 00:37:26,000
Speaker 2: someone that came from Dublin, multiple people from all over

739
00:37:26,000 --> 00:37:28,920
Speaker 2: the country. And I have never had that that Well,

740
00:37:28,960 --> 00:37:30,319
Speaker 2: first of all, I used to do tours there were

741
00:37:30,360 --> 00:37:33,480
Speaker 2: like eighty cities in a year. But I find that

742
00:37:33,680 --> 00:37:36,960
Speaker 2: so moving and so touching that frankly, i'd kind of

743
00:37:37,040 --> 00:37:38,560
Speaker 2: rather hold up and see.

744
00:37:39,080 --> 00:37:39,319
Speaker 5: See.

745
00:37:39,360 --> 00:37:43,320
Speaker 1: I don't know yet if I can sell these theaters again. Yeah.

746
00:37:43,640 --> 00:37:45,919
Speaker 1: I never think of it that way. But again, I'm

747
00:37:45,920 --> 00:37:47,919
Speaker 1: not a business well you know, I'm not as good

748
00:37:47,920 --> 00:37:50,480
Speaker 1: with money as you. I'm not as you know, I mean,

749
00:37:50,520 --> 00:37:53,239
Speaker 1: I don't get ostentatious things, and I don't have any

750
00:37:53,239 --> 00:37:55,799
Speaker 1: interest in fashion, so that helps. You know, I've got

751
00:37:55,800 --> 00:37:59,160
Speaker 1: a fashion bill, you do, You got a high one right?

752
00:37:59,200 --> 00:38:01,400
Speaker 2: Become a fashion yeah. I don't know why, but it

753
00:38:01,520 --> 00:38:02,000
Speaker 2: just happened.

754
00:38:02,080 --> 00:38:04,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I see you when all these designer clothes

755
00:38:04,480 --> 00:38:05,120
Speaker 1: and all this.

756
00:38:05,360 --> 00:38:07,600
Speaker 2: You know who's fault that is Bete Midler?

757
00:38:07,840 --> 00:38:08,960
Speaker 1: No kidding. Yeah.

758
00:38:09,040 --> 00:38:11,040
Speaker 2: When Bette Midler was on Cathograph of My Life on

759
00:38:11,080 --> 00:38:13,279
Speaker 2: the D List, she showed up for the part where

760
00:38:13,280 --> 00:38:15,160
Speaker 2: we were just kind of hanging out and she had

761
00:38:15,200 --> 00:38:19,160
Speaker 2: this insanely gorgeous Vivian Westwood dress, and I, of course,

762
00:38:19,200 --> 00:38:21,239
Speaker 2: being a comic, I go bust her balls. I'm like,

763
00:38:21,400 --> 00:38:22,920
Speaker 2: what do you think we're going to funeral? What the

764
00:38:22,920 --> 00:38:25,200
Speaker 2: hell you were a designer for? And she goes, what

765
00:38:25,239 --> 00:38:27,239
Speaker 2: are you talking about? You should be wearing this at

766
00:38:27,239 --> 00:38:30,480
Speaker 2: this stage of the game. And I always remember saying

767
00:38:30,480 --> 00:38:31,799
Speaker 2: that at this stage of the game.

768
00:38:32,040 --> 00:38:35,080
Speaker 1: And if you remember, Bet reached an age where she

769
00:38:35,120 --> 00:38:39,360
Speaker 1: became glam she was doing beautiful hair and makeup. She dresses,

770
00:38:39,360 --> 00:38:42,160
Speaker 1: and bet doesn't play. So when she's out in like

771
00:38:42,200 --> 00:38:44,960
Speaker 1: her New York social scene, which is no joke, she

772
00:38:45,400 --> 00:38:50,240
Speaker 1: runs with the Mockers as a New York restoration prodcas yes, yes,

773
00:38:50,440 --> 00:38:53,040
Speaker 1: and so I kind of took that to heart, and

774
00:38:53,160 --> 00:38:56,600
Speaker 1: Joan was like that, and you know, you know, Phyllis

775
00:38:56,680 --> 00:38:58,960
Speaker 1: kind of Phyllis kind of was like that, and so

776
00:38:59,080 --> 00:39:02,359
Speaker 1: you know, I'm trying to perpetuate this image that I'm

777
00:39:02,440 --> 00:39:05,280
Speaker 1: kind of like the grand Dame of stand up comedy.

778
00:39:05,960 --> 00:39:08,040
Speaker 1: And I have a new character I'm working on called

779
00:39:08,120 --> 00:39:13,520
Speaker 1: Kitty Carrington Colby Griffin, and she is in very expensive

780
00:39:13,560 --> 00:39:17,279
Speaker 1: designer clothing and designer momus and she hangs out with

781
00:39:17,360 --> 00:39:20,680
Speaker 1: designers and she's had a storied life where she's had

782
00:39:20,719 --> 00:39:24,160
Speaker 1: many lovers and they've been rich and poor, and naturally

783
00:39:24,160 --> 00:39:27,640
Speaker 1: she prefers rich and so like that's the sort of

784
00:39:27,640 --> 00:39:30,120
Speaker 1: stuff that I, frankly in my real life where I

785
00:39:30,120 --> 00:39:32,440
Speaker 1: started wearing this stuff. I started thinking of this character,

786
00:39:33,200 --> 00:39:36,720
Speaker 1: and as I'm developing her, I don't know anything could happen,

787
00:39:37,040 --> 00:39:38,759
Speaker 1: but I might even do a Q and A with

788
00:39:38,840 --> 00:39:41,960
Speaker 1: this character in Vegas as just a fun little way to.

789
00:39:42,000 --> 00:39:42,960
Speaker 2: Kind of mix things up.

790
00:39:43,680 --> 00:39:45,480
Speaker 1: So there you go. That's how my head works.

791
00:39:45,880 --> 00:39:48,319
Speaker 2: I go from buying nice stuff to tell it to

792
00:39:48,400 --> 00:39:51,480
Speaker 2: doing whatever Bet said. Because some of the divas like

793
00:39:51,560 --> 00:39:54,880
Speaker 2: Stevie Nicks lover. Are you ready for this? Yes, she

794
00:39:55,080 --> 00:39:58,160
Speaker 2: gave me a personalized makeup kit.

795
00:39:58,480 --> 00:39:58,880
Speaker 1: Wow.

796
00:39:59,080 --> 00:40:02,560
Speaker 2: She saw me and Sti Colbert and she said, I

797
00:40:02,600 --> 00:40:06,480
Speaker 2: didn't like your palette and I said okay, And so

798
00:40:06,520 --> 00:40:10,920
Speaker 2: she had her makeup artist go out and shop. And

799
00:40:10,920 --> 00:40:13,279
Speaker 2: I have the list in Stevie's handwriting to this day

800
00:40:13,280 --> 00:40:16,359
Speaker 2: of every product. And let me tell you something that

801
00:40:16,400 --> 00:40:19,040
Speaker 2: has been my palette because I am not like what

802
00:40:19,080 --> 00:40:21,640
Speaker 2: am I going to argue with Stevie? No, now you suggesting,

803
00:40:21,719 --> 00:40:24,719
Speaker 2: I argue, I am not. She sounds like you were suggesting,

804
00:40:25,040 --> 00:40:26,120
Speaker 2: but I argue just.

805
00:40:26,040 --> 00:40:28,839
Speaker 1: Like a one wing dove. I would never. I would never.

806
00:40:29,680 --> 00:40:33,279
Speaker 1: But listen, she she's a friend of yours though you.

807
00:40:33,640 --> 00:40:37,600
Speaker 2: Met her, and she's someone that very much stood by

808
00:40:37,680 --> 00:40:41,040
Speaker 2: me as you did, and a couple of times publicly,

809
00:40:41,600 --> 00:40:45,080
Speaker 2: the last time she, you know, played the Hollywood Bowl,

810
00:40:45,360 --> 00:40:49,760
Speaker 2: she dedicated Landslide to me, and that was meaningful because

811
00:40:49,920 --> 00:40:52,200
Speaker 2: I know there's a lot of like showbiz executive e

812
00:40:52,360 --> 00:40:54,600
Speaker 2: types that go to the Bowl and that was just

813
00:40:54,640 --> 00:40:56,960
Speaker 2: so meaningful to me that she did that, because you know,

814
00:40:56,960 --> 00:41:00,120
Speaker 2: it's a stamp of approval that some people were you're

815
00:41:00,160 --> 00:41:02,919
Speaker 2: not willing to do, and so that means a lot.

816
00:41:03,600 --> 00:41:06,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, how is your marriage? How is Randy?

817
00:41:06,200 --> 00:41:09,000
Speaker 2: It's good. My husband, Randy is also my tour manager.

818
00:41:09,040 --> 00:41:10,759
Speaker 2: Don't judge works out.

819
00:41:11,040 --> 00:41:11,920
Speaker 1: I think he's great.

820
00:41:12,040 --> 00:41:15,960
Speaker 2: He's great, and he is eighteen years younger, so that's

821
00:41:16,000 --> 00:41:20,760
Speaker 2: okay as well. We've been together twelve years and he's great.

822
00:41:20,960 --> 00:41:24,560
Speaker 2: We have been getting back to work, which is great

823
00:41:24,560 --> 00:41:26,640
Speaker 2: to see him in his element as well, because he's

824
00:41:26,760 --> 00:41:30,840
Speaker 2: a fantastic TM tour manager, right, and so he coordinates

825
00:41:30,880 --> 00:41:33,359
Speaker 2: with the venue and obviously with these new managers, he's

826
00:41:33,360 --> 00:41:37,600
Speaker 2: the point person. And what's great about that is having

827
00:41:37,680 --> 00:41:40,879
Speaker 2: Randy there and then these new managers, I don't have

828
00:41:40,960 --> 00:41:43,960
Speaker 2: to do those calls anymore. Right, That's what this management

829
00:41:44,000 --> 00:41:46,319
Speaker 2: company has promised me. They said, you will never have

830
00:41:46,400 --> 00:41:49,719
Speaker 2: to call an executive again. We're not going to let

831
00:41:49,760 --> 00:41:52,279
Speaker 2: them call you at home because sometimes they have your

832
00:41:52,320 --> 00:41:55,560
Speaker 2: phone number and then they try to get in that way,

833
00:41:55,640 --> 00:41:57,880
Speaker 2: Oh can you do this extra work for free or

834
00:41:57,920 --> 00:42:01,439
Speaker 2: can you you know whatever? And so having that kind

835
00:42:01,520 --> 00:42:05,200
Speaker 2: of those kind of barriers is actually helpful to me because,

836
00:42:05,440 --> 00:42:07,080
Speaker 2: like I said, I'm used to kind of getting in

837
00:42:07,160 --> 00:42:11,520
Speaker 2: the mud myself which ultimately has not been necessarily fruitful.

838
00:42:12,120 --> 00:42:15,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, different direction as you go on onward, right onward

839
00:42:16,000 --> 00:42:20,479
Speaker 1: in our into our adult life. Last third, you really

840
00:42:20,520 --> 00:42:22,560
Speaker 1: do you love the right? I love the road and

841
00:42:22,600 --> 00:42:24,560
Speaker 1: I love being on the road with Ran. Now would

842
00:42:24,560 --> 00:42:27,360
Speaker 1: you go on a tour bus with all your dogs?

843
00:42:27,520 --> 00:42:28,160
Speaker 1: What would you do?

844
00:42:28,360 --> 00:42:29,839
Speaker 2: I would? We like to mix it up.

845
00:42:30,160 --> 00:42:31,160
Speaker 1: So I will say.

846
00:42:31,239 --> 00:42:33,080
Speaker 2: One thing that makes me sad is I do think

847
00:42:33,160 --> 00:42:35,120
Speaker 2: there are quite a few markets that I just couldn't

848
00:42:35,120 --> 00:42:37,280
Speaker 2: play anymore because of the Trump scandal.

849
00:42:37,040 --> 00:42:38,480
Speaker 1: Like Texas.

850
00:42:38,520 --> 00:42:41,200
Speaker 2: Well, Texas is an open carey state, as is Florida,

851
00:42:41,920 --> 00:42:46,439
Speaker 2: and that gives me real worries. Sure, I still think

852
00:42:46,480 --> 00:42:51,360
Speaker 2: it is shocking and appalling that people in those states

853
00:42:51,400 --> 00:42:56,440
Speaker 2: have voted to make it possible for anyone to walk

854
00:42:56,520 --> 00:43:00,000
Speaker 2: into a theater where a comedian is doing a show

855
00:43:00,160 --> 00:43:05,320
Speaker 2: by herself and bringing a firearm. That is terrifying, terrifying,

856
00:43:05,520 --> 00:43:09,480
Speaker 2: mind blowing to me, only because I don't think the

857
00:43:09,520 --> 00:43:12,000
Speaker 2: person's with the firearm is the one who's having it

858
00:43:12,040 --> 00:43:13,960
Speaker 2: there to defend people. I think the person with the

859
00:43:13,960 --> 00:43:17,400
Speaker 2: firearm wants to use it. And you know, we're in

860
00:43:17,440 --> 00:43:20,160
Speaker 2: a time when people do that stuff in a way

861
00:43:20,400 --> 00:43:23,279
Speaker 2: to make a statement, et cetera. So you know, it

862
00:43:23,360 --> 00:43:25,759
Speaker 2: makes me sad because I think at the last time

863
00:43:25,800 --> 00:43:29,080
Speaker 2: I played Houston, I played Jones Hall, which is where

864
00:43:29,080 --> 00:43:33,000
Speaker 2: the Symphony plays, a gorgeous theater, and yet there was

865
00:43:33,040 --> 00:43:35,200
Speaker 2: a guy outside with a Trump shirt and a knife

866
00:43:35,200 --> 00:43:36,640
Speaker 2: waiting around asking for me.

867
00:43:37,520 --> 00:43:38,520
Speaker 1: And it's on video.

868
00:43:39,080 --> 00:43:43,080
Speaker 2: And you know, the Dallas Symphony Hall is amazing. I'd

869
00:43:43,080 --> 00:43:45,520
Speaker 2: love to play there again, so we'll see. I'm open

870
00:43:45,560 --> 00:43:48,440
Speaker 2: to all of it. And you know, when I did

871
00:43:48,440 --> 00:43:50,520
Speaker 2: the show in Vegas, I had just a ridiculous amount

872
00:43:50,560 --> 00:43:53,200
Speaker 2: of security, and I think, frankly, that makes everybody feel better,

873
00:43:53,800 --> 00:43:54,800
Speaker 2: and even the audience.

874
00:43:55,440 --> 00:43:58,480
Speaker 1: And I would love to put together at least a

875
00:43:58,520 --> 00:44:02,080
Speaker 1: dozen cities, but you know, I would have to see

876
00:44:02,120 --> 00:44:04,800
Speaker 1: where I'm welcome, frankly, And look, the scary thing is,

877
00:44:04,840 --> 00:44:08,640
Speaker 1: you don't know until you're on sale. So what I

878
00:44:08,680 --> 00:44:11,440
Speaker 1: try to do Texas and Florida, I'm not sure. Let

879
00:44:11,480 --> 00:44:13,000
Speaker 1: me talk it to the man. What about the old

880
00:44:13,040 --> 00:44:16,160
Speaker 1: the casino towns, what about going from You know, that's

881
00:44:16,200 --> 00:44:18,560
Speaker 1: a tough market for me because and really, because you

882
00:44:18,680 --> 00:44:19,640
Speaker 1: do so well in Vegas.

883
00:44:19,680 --> 00:44:22,920
Speaker 2: It was I was the queen of the Riverbow casinos.

884
00:44:22,960 --> 00:44:27,080
Speaker 2: You know right, yes, those they're almost all in Trump country,

885
00:44:27,320 --> 00:44:29,600
Speaker 2: like the Deep South, Like I don't know that I

886
00:44:29,640 --> 00:44:31,959
Speaker 2: would go to lafiy at Louisiana now because I don't

887
00:44:32,000 --> 00:44:34,839
Speaker 2: know that they would welcome me, you know, And that

888
00:44:34,880 --> 00:44:38,000
Speaker 2: makes me sad because I do hear, and I guess

889
00:44:38,040 --> 00:44:39,360
Speaker 2: one of the things that makes me sad. What I

890
00:44:39,360 --> 00:44:41,879
Speaker 2: see in social media is when a Trumper comes on

891
00:44:42,239 --> 00:44:44,720
Speaker 2: my TikTok or my Instagram or whatever and they say,

892
00:44:45,080 --> 00:44:46,680
Speaker 2: you know, I used to like you, but now you're

893
00:44:46,719 --> 00:44:49,759
Speaker 2: so ugly and disgusting and blah blah blah, and I think,

894
00:44:49,800 --> 00:44:52,320
Speaker 2: you know what they're being honest. Some of these women

895
00:44:52,360 --> 00:44:55,120
Speaker 2: did used to come to my shows and they loved

896
00:44:55,200 --> 00:44:57,239
Speaker 2: me because I kind of, you.

897
00:44:57,160 --> 00:44:59,280
Speaker 1: Know, in front of the Kardashians or whatever.

898
00:44:59,520 --> 00:45:03,200
Speaker 6: Yes would, yeah, of A part of how I would,

899
00:45:03,239 --> 00:45:05,320
Speaker 6: And that was always my thing is I'm going to

900
00:45:05,440 --> 00:45:08,600
Speaker 6: kind of give you a while being dalist, a look

901
00:45:08,680 --> 00:45:11,239
Speaker 6: behind the veil and see what's really going on and

902
00:45:11,280 --> 00:45:14,200
Speaker 6: make fun of all of it. And remember, making fun

903
00:45:14,239 --> 00:45:16,520
Speaker 6: of Hollywood is absolutely punching up.

904
00:45:16,920 --> 00:45:19,040
Speaker 1: Yes, no, totally, And I thought making fun.

905
00:45:18,920 --> 00:45:21,440
Speaker 2: Of a president was punching up. I still do, but

906
00:45:21,600 --> 00:45:25,360
Speaker 2: you know, things changed in a very seismic way for me,

907
00:45:25,800 --> 00:45:28,160
Speaker 2: So I would honestly have to be quite mindful about

908
00:45:28,200 --> 00:45:29,279
Speaker 2: where I would be able to go.

909
00:45:29,800 --> 00:45:31,040
Speaker 1: But also let's see where.

910
00:45:30,840 --> 00:45:32,440
Speaker 2: The office are. I don't think I'm going to get

911
00:45:32,480 --> 00:45:33,520
Speaker 2: offers from those places.

912
00:45:33,640 --> 00:45:36,839
Speaker 1: Yeah, well you never know. Well listen, we're already done.

913
00:45:36,840 --> 00:45:39,160
Speaker 1: Our time is up. Oh my goodness, it was quick

914
00:45:39,200 --> 00:45:42,160
Speaker 1: and easy and fun. But will you come back after

915
00:45:42,280 --> 00:45:46,000
Speaker 1: your October sixth gig and talk about how that went,

916
00:45:46,040 --> 00:45:47,759
Speaker 1: because I'm coming. I have tickets to that.

917
00:45:48,040 --> 00:45:51,640
Speaker 2: I am so excited you're coming. Yes, and I promised

918
00:45:51,640 --> 00:45:53,040
Speaker 2: to give you a lot many good laughs.

919
00:45:53,200 --> 00:45:55,520
Speaker 1: And yes, I'll come back whenever you want. Okay, perfect,

920
00:45:55,600 --> 00:45:58,520
Speaker 1: Kathy Griffin. I love you. I'm glad that you're looking,

921
00:45:58,719 --> 00:46:00,960
Speaker 1: feeling and being so much better.

922
00:46:01,200 --> 00:46:01,799
Speaker 3: I love you.

923
00:46:01,840 --> 00:46:04,799
Speaker 1: All Right, honey, we are going to take a little break,

924
00:46:04,800 --> 00:46:25,160
Speaker 1: come back with questions. Don't go away, and I hope

925
00:46:25,160 --> 00:46:28,440
Speaker 1: you enjoyed our little conversation, me and Kathy Griffin, and

926
00:46:28,440 --> 00:46:31,600
Speaker 1: we have some questions from you, the loyal listeners. Thank

927
00:46:31,600 --> 00:46:34,360
Speaker 1: you so much for leaving us a little voice memo.

928
00:46:34,560 --> 00:46:36,239
Speaker 1: And here's question number one.

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Speaker 4: Roll it hi, Rosie.

930
00:46:38,160 --> 00:46:41,280
Speaker 3: This is Rachel Windhause from Saint Louis, Missouri.

931
00:46:41,600 --> 00:46:45,959
Speaker 4: I can't believe I'm calling. I never call, but I'm a.

932
00:46:45,960 --> 00:46:47,200
Speaker 1: Huge span of yours.

933
00:46:47,880 --> 00:46:50,719
Speaker 4: I watched your talk show.

934
00:46:50,800 --> 00:46:54,680
Speaker 3: And I was always so inspired how your entire life

935
00:46:54,719 --> 00:46:59,040
Speaker 3: has been about following your dreams and making them come true.

936
00:46:59,320 --> 00:47:02,080
Speaker 3: I too had a d to be a writer, and

937
00:47:02,120 --> 00:47:04,480
Speaker 3: I've made that dream come true.

938
00:47:05,120 --> 00:47:05,960
Speaker 4: The reason I'm.

939
00:47:05,800 --> 00:47:09,520
Speaker 3: Calling today is to respond to the question you posed

940
00:47:09,640 --> 00:47:14,720
Speaker 3: about if you and Chelsea should discuss your mother daughter

941
00:47:14,800 --> 00:47:18,160
Speaker 3: struggles and relationship on the podcast. And I want to

942
00:47:18,200 --> 00:47:22,480
Speaker 3: tell you a little bit about my own experience. My

943
00:47:22,600 --> 00:47:26,239
Speaker 3: mother was a therapist when I grew up and was

944
00:47:26,280 --> 00:47:27,560
Speaker 3: a pretty successful one.

945
00:47:27,640 --> 00:47:28,120
Speaker 1: She wrote a.

946
00:47:29,360 --> 00:47:32,480
Speaker 3: Self help book that sold a quarter of a million

947
00:47:32,520 --> 00:47:34,840
Speaker 3: copies and was on Oprah.

948
00:47:34,880 --> 00:47:37,759
Speaker 4: And she was an excellent therapist who has loved.

949
00:47:39,280 --> 00:47:41,640
Speaker 3: But we had a lot of struggles in our own

950
00:47:42,360 --> 00:47:46,640
Speaker 3: mother and daughter relationship that I never really talked about

951
00:47:47,800 --> 00:47:51,360
Speaker 3: until I decided to write a memoir a few years ago.

952
00:47:52,520 --> 00:47:55,400
Speaker 4: And she was the first person I had read.

953
00:47:55,200 --> 00:47:58,440
Speaker 3: The draft, and I wouldn't have published it without her approval.

954
00:47:58,760 --> 00:48:03,560
Speaker 3: But what it led to for us with such a

955
00:48:03,600 --> 00:48:08,399
Speaker 3: healing and path of recovery and has really changed our

956
00:48:08,560 --> 00:48:13,440
Speaker 3: relationship and deciding to be the public about it and

957
00:48:13,760 --> 00:48:16,680
Speaker 3: have it be a huge part of my memoir has

958
00:48:16,719 --> 00:48:20,000
Speaker 3: really helped many other people as well.

959
00:48:21,000 --> 00:48:21,480
Speaker 4: As we know.

960
00:48:21,680 --> 00:48:27,279
Speaker 3: Mother daughter relationship can be very complicated, but they can

961
00:48:27,320 --> 00:48:30,120
Speaker 3: also be beautiful and healing and wonderful.

962
00:48:30,160 --> 00:48:32,880
Speaker 4: So I encourage you in Chelsea.

963
00:48:32,640 --> 00:48:36,440
Speaker 3: If you both feel ready to take the step that

964
00:48:36,480 --> 00:48:39,400
Speaker 3: it could bring you closer and at the same time

965
00:48:39,719 --> 00:48:41,439
Speaker 3: help so many others out there.

966
00:48:42,800 --> 00:48:46,120
Speaker 4: Thank you again for all you do. I'm a huge fan.

967
00:48:46,600 --> 00:48:47,839
Speaker 2: Bye.

968
00:48:48,080 --> 00:48:51,839
Speaker 1: What a wonderful Little Voice memoir. Thank you so much

969
00:48:51,880 --> 00:48:56,520
Speaker 1: for that. That's so so beautiful. I you know, I've

970
00:48:56,560 --> 00:49:01,920
Speaker 1: been thinking about it a lot, and I think maybe

971
00:49:02,000 --> 00:49:04,480
Speaker 1: when we have a little more time under our belt,

972
00:49:04,560 --> 00:49:08,320
Speaker 1: me and Chelse, you know, it would be when we

973
00:49:08,320 --> 00:49:11,920
Speaker 1: we're both feeling very very strong. I think that that

974
00:49:12,040 --> 00:49:14,120
Speaker 1: might be a good time, you know, to do it.

975
00:49:14,160 --> 00:49:17,040
Speaker 1: And I said to her, you know, we can record

976
00:49:17,080 --> 00:49:19,960
Speaker 1: it and then we decide no one else hears it,

977
00:49:20,080 --> 00:49:22,319
Speaker 1: just you and me, and then we decide if we

978
00:49:22,400 --> 00:49:26,160
Speaker 1: think that it's something that could be beneficial and helpful

979
00:49:26,239 --> 00:49:30,239
Speaker 1: to other people and to both Chelsea and myself. You know,

980
00:49:30,840 --> 00:49:35,319
Speaker 1: I mean, I think a lot about motherless daughters, you know,

981
00:49:35,480 --> 00:49:38,759
Speaker 1: And that's what I am, right. So I grew up

982
00:49:39,239 --> 00:49:44,440
Speaker 1: without a mom, and I wasn't so good at the

983
00:49:44,480 --> 00:49:49,680
Speaker 1: separation from mom phase of children's relationship. Now I was ten,

984
00:49:49,800 --> 00:49:52,360
Speaker 1: So I didn't go through that pushing my mother away

985
00:49:52,480 --> 00:49:57,520
Speaker 1: and trying to take it on my own identity. I didn't,

986
00:49:57,800 --> 00:50:00,520
Speaker 1: you know, I didn't see that in my family because

987
00:50:00,560 --> 00:50:02,520
Speaker 1: there was no mom there to do it too. And

988
00:50:03,320 --> 00:50:08,440
Speaker 1: the trauma of a dead parent is so profound on

989
00:50:08,520 --> 00:50:12,680
Speaker 1: a child's psyche and on the family. So I think

990
00:50:12,719 --> 00:50:17,680
Speaker 1: that I have a lot of things that I did

991
00:50:17,760 --> 00:50:22,120
Speaker 1: wrong as a parent that you know, I wish I

992
00:50:22,120 --> 00:50:26,520
Speaker 1: could fix. And I guess I'm trying to do that

993
00:50:26,520 --> 00:50:31,520
Speaker 1: that now as I'm more able to own, you know,

994
00:50:31,560 --> 00:50:34,680
Speaker 1: what my side of the street is, so to speak, right,

995
00:50:35,440 --> 00:50:37,600
Speaker 1: And I think that that's you know, this is going

996
00:50:37,640 --> 00:50:40,719
Speaker 1: to be a healing, a healing journey that we're on,

997
00:50:41,040 --> 00:50:45,480
Speaker 1: and I'm thrilled to be even at the very beginning

998
00:50:45,520 --> 00:50:47,920
Speaker 1: stages of it, and I'm hoping that it lasts for

999
00:50:47,960 --> 00:50:50,799
Speaker 1: a long time. So thank you so much for your

1000
00:50:50,880 --> 00:50:55,320
Speaker 1: kind words, and you are thoughtful pros And I would

1001
00:50:55,360 --> 00:50:57,279
Speaker 1: love to know what the name of your memoir is

1002
00:50:58,160 --> 00:51:01,959
Speaker 1: and thank you very much. All right, we got one more.

1003
00:51:02,360 --> 00:51:07,239
Speaker 5: Here we go, Hi, Rosie, It's Leslie calling from Houston,

1004
00:51:07,680 --> 00:51:10,680
Speaker 5: and I'm sure you'll pick up on my Texas accent

1005
00:51:10,719 --> 00:51:11,480
Speaker 5: pretty easily.

1006
00:51:12,680 --> 00:51:13,560
Speaker 1: I was.

1007
00:51:14,040 --> 00:51:17,760
Speaker 5: I've been a follower and for a long long time,

1008
00:51:17,800 --> 00:51:22,719
Speaker 5: and watched your show back in the in the nineties

1009
00:51:23,200 --> 00:51:26,400
Speaker 5: and ninety six. I guess is when started. But I

1010
00:51:26,520 --> 00:51:31,000
Speaker 5: used to record your show every day. The recorder was

1011
00:51:31,040 --> 00:51:35,600
Speaker 5: set my VHS recorder. I think I'll probably still have

1012
00:51:35,960 --> 00:51:39,280
Speaker 5: some of those tapes, even though I don't have a

1013
00:51:39,400 --> 00:51:45,279
Speaker 5: VHS player anymore. But anyway, I one day I was

1014
00:51:45,400 --> 00:51:51,640
Speaker 5: watching and I saw a tribute to Lori Beachman in

1015
00:51:51,760 --> 00:51:55,080
Speaker 5: memoriam of Lori Beachman because she had just passed away,

1016
00:51:57,440 --> 00:52:00,880
Speaker 5: and she's saying it was a bit of her, a

1017
00:52:00,920 --> 00:52:03,720
Speaker 5: clip of her singing on a clear day on your show,

1018
00:52:04,440 --> 00:52:08,959
Speaker 5: and what a bright light she was and just such

1019
00:52:09,000 --> 00:52:16,800
Speaker 5: a so sparkling and real and nowadays, well through the years,

1020
00:52:17,560 --> 00:52:23,879
Speaker 5: if I'm ever down, I'll often go to YouTube and

1021
00:52:23,960 --> 00:52:27,680
Speaker 5: find her video of singing, her singing on a clear

1022
00:52:27,800 --> 00:52:33,439
Speaker 5: day on your show, and it always makes me happy

1023
00:52:33,560 --> 00:52:35,839
Speaker 5: and makes me sad because she's not here, but makes

1024
00:52:35,880 --> 00:52:39,560
Speaker 5: me happy because what a great talent she was and

1025
00:52:39,640 --> 00:52:45,200
Speaker 5: I can just feel her, you know, coming through her music.

1026
00:52:45,400 --> 00:52:48,719
Speaker 5: So I wanted her family to know. I'm sure they do,

1027
00:52:48,920 --> 00:52:54,520
Speaker 5: but she really still lives on and others and she

1028
00:52:54,600 --> 00:52:58,160
Speaker 5: still makes a difference in people's lives. So thank you

1029
00:52:58,239 --> 00:53:04,640
Speaker 5: for bringing Laurie b to my awareness and man, bringing

1030
00:53:04,719 --> 00:53:08,240
Speaker 5: Broadway to all of us. I haven't gotten to Broadway

1031
00:53:08,280 --> 00:53:11,440
Speaker 5: as much as I'd like to, and so it was

1032
00:53:11,480 --> 00:53:15,040
Speaker 5: always very much appreciated that you brought Broadway to us.

1033
00:53:15,120 --> 00:53:18,440
Speaker 1: So thank you so much. Take care well, thank you

1034
00:53:18,520 --> 00:53:21,480
Speaker 1: what a wonderful voice memory you left. I really do

1035
00:53:21,560 --> 00:53:27,000
Speaker 1: appreciate that. Yeah, Laurie was amazing, what a phenomenal performer

1036
00:53:27,120 --> 00:53:30,640
Speaker 1: and singer, and I loved every time we got to

1037
00:53:30,719 --> 00:53:34,000
Speaker 1: have her on the show. And yeah, people talk about

1038
00:53:34,040 --> 00:53:38,040
Speaker 1: her still. People you know, ask about her, and you know,

1039
00:53:38,120 --> 00:53:41,239
Speaker 1: she was a tremendous bright light and just watch her

1040
00:53:41,320 --> 00:53:44,600
Speaker 1: sing on stage or perform in a Broadway show was

1041
00:53:45,239 --> 00:53:49,719
Speaker 1: just magical. And you know, I miss her. I'm sure

1042
00:53:49,719 --> 00:53:54,800
Speaker 1: everyone does who knew her, And you know, I know

1043
00:53:54,920 --> 00:53:58,880
Speaker 1: her family will greatly appreciate you sharing how much she

1044
00:53:59,000 --> 00:54:01,880
Speaker 1: means to you. You know, that's all that we hope

1045
00:54:01,880 --> 00:54:04,600
Speaker 1: for right when we're passed away, when we're gone, when

1046
00:54:04,600 --> 00:54:09,400
Speaker 1: we're no longer here, right, that people remember you and

1047
00:54:09,520 --> 00:54:11,960
Speaker 1: that you might bring a smile to someone's face. You know,

1048
00:54:12,920 --> 00:54:17,680
Speaker 1: that's a pretty good legacy to leave, right there. Lori Beachman, Well,

1049
00:54:17,719 --> 00:54:21,880
Speaker 1: thank you everybody. Listen. Next week special show a conversation

1050
00:54:22,000 --> 00:54:25,560
Speaker 1: with Lyle Menendez. He of course is serving a life

1051
00:54:25,640 --> 00:54:30,799
Speaker 1: without the possibility of parole sentence in prison and he's

1052
00:54:30,840 --> 00:54:34,560
Speaker 1: been in there for thirty four years, and we talk

1053
00:54:34,680 --> 00:54:37,480
Speaker 1: about his case, about the new evidence and about the

1054
00:54:37,520 --> 00:54:43,440
Speaker 1: habeas that's been filed to try to get resentencing for

1055
00:54:43,600 --> 00:54:48,400
Speaker 1: manslaughter instead of what they got, which was life without

1056
00:54:48,440 --> 00:55:05,640
Speaker 1: the possibility of parole. Lyelmanz next week. Don't miss it.