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Speaker 1: Welcome to NFL Daily, where we're just pumped at sweater

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Speaker 1: season again. I'm Greg rosenthalm here in the Chris Westling

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Speaker 1: podcast studio. Yes, I know a rainy Los Angeles day

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Speaker 1: with my friend Jordan Rodrieg.

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Speaker 2: I know you walked in in your green sweater as

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Speaker 2: my gray sweater on. We both got like the subconscious memo,

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Speaker 2: it's below what sixty eight degrees in LA right now?

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Speaker 1: Chris, You know, no one likes to hear Los Angeles

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Speaker 1: people like celebrate when it actually gets a little cooler,

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Speaker 1: a little rainier. But it's beautiful here. It's a beautiful

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Speaker 1: time in the season. Like we think we know some things,

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Speaker 1: we don't know anything. I was gonna mention what's coming

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Speaker 1: up on the news, but those things aren't really beautiful.

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Speaker 1: It's like injuries and a head coach losing his job.

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Speaker 1: But we're going to talk a little TNF with the

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Speaker 1: Steelers and the Bengals later and we're going to play

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Speaker 1: a game. Jordan, I know you love to play games.

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Speaker 1: In this game is would you?

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Speaker 2: I do love to play games, Greg.

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Speaker 1: Like, what kind are you? Like? A board game?

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Speaker 2: So I am I'm a big time settlers of Catan

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Speaker 2: fan slash player. My sister, my twin sister, Maddie. She's

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Speaker 2: actually the reigning champion. Between myself and her, I have

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Speaker 2: been training. She's abroad on a research vessel. She's a scientist,

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Speaker 2: so for most of the year, so I can get

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Speaker 2: my reps in and you can play online and stuff

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Speaker 2: like that, just to get your your practices and all

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Speaker 2: of that. That's my number one board game.

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Speaker 1: I think I love a lot of people who are big,

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Speaker 1: you know, board game people. I'm not one of those people.

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Speaker 1: But I did play one game of Sellers of Catan

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Speaker 1: when I was younger.

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Speaker 2: I feel like that that game would just make you

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Speaker 2: really mad.

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Speaker 1: I don't have the patience I liked to risk. That

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Speaker 1: was when I was like twelve.

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Speaker 2: I'll tell you this, fans, fans of Settlers of Catan

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Speaker 2: will exactly what I'm talking about when I say this.

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Speaker 2: Greg Rosenthal and I will never play against each other

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Speaker 2: and Settlers of Kids and because of that, we will

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Speaker 2: have a long and beautiful friendship.

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Speaker 1: Okay, I'm looking forward to never playing with you. Let's

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Speaker 1: talk news. We mentioned it on the doubleheader night. It

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Speaker 1: just felt like Brian Callahan's firing with the Titans. Did

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Speaker 1: not deserve to be sandwiched into this glorious night of

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Speaker 1: football upsets, and so we decided we'll talk about it here.

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Speaker 1: One of the least surprising firings. At least we knew

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Speaker 1: it was coming at some point this season. We didn't

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Speaker 1: know when it happens on a Tuesday afternoon. It comes

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Speaker 1: from the team itself. I find that interesting. Absolutely no

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Speaker 1: national reporters had it, no local reporters had it. In fact,

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Speaker 1: Adam Schefter was like on air being asked about it

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Speaker 1: like half an hour before or something like that and said,

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Speaker 1: I don't see that happening, And so that indicates to me,

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Speaker 1: maybe it comes from from the very top. And no

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Speaker 1: one really had a bet on what ownership was thinking there.

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Speaker 1: It was not ownership though that spoke about Brian Callahan's firing.

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Speaker 1: Let's listen to team president and president of football operations,

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Speaker 1: Chad Brinker.

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Speaker 3: We were looking for growth in this football team. And

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Speaker 3: that's what this is about right now, is we're not

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Speaker 3: seeing enough growth from this football team. We're one to

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Speaker 3: five and we got to be better in this and

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Speaker 3: I want to acknowledge the fact that we're all frustrated.

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Speaker 3: We understand that you the fan, You're frustrated with everything

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Speaker 3: that's going on, but I can We're doing everything we can.

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Speaker 3: We will do everything we can to build a football

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Speaker 3: program that you can be proud of.

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Speaker 1: So I don't know if Chad Brinker ultimately made this decision.

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Speaker 1: We don't know. He's the one that's answering all the questions.

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Speaker 1: Adam Amy. Adam Strunk was not there at the press conference,

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Speaker 1: which is typical. Owners aren't often there at the firings.

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Speaker 1: Mike Burganzi was there the general manager. I do though,

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Speaker 1: by the conspiracy theory that they did it before Mike

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Speaker 1: Rabel came to town, specifically, like they did not want Mike

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Speaker 1: Rabel to be coming in there and reminding them of

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Speaker 1: past dysfunction while Brian Callahan was still there. So maybe

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Speaker 1: they get the fired coach bump this week to try

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Speaker 1: to take out their old faux Mike Rabil. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I buy that. Actually, I do buy that. I think

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Speaker 2: that from listeners and viewers who think Noah team couldn't

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Speaker 2: possibly be thinking about that specific type of detail when

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Speaker 2: making massive and potentially franchise altering decisions, Yes they can,

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Speaker 2: and they often do. This was interesting to me. I

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Speaker 2: think that the players probably knew something was up before

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Speaker 2: any of the rest of us did, because I don't

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Speaker 2: think Jeffrey Simmons, who's been a cornerstone of that franchise

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Speaker 2: for a little while now, who is still a great player,

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Speaker 2: would come so far out as to say how flat

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Speaker 1: Well maybe he helped, you know, put it over the

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Speaker 2: Just feel like a player like that knows when people

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Speaker 2: and can feel when other people are starting to get

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Speaker 2: also some sort of awkward. Brian Callahan's father, Bill is

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Speaker 2: on the staff and reportedly left the team as well

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Speaker 2: in light of the news that is his son the

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Speaker 2: head coach got fired. So kind of awkward dynamics all

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Speaker 2: around there. But now you know, the Titans are back

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Speaker 2: to where they've been multiple times over the last couple

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Speaker 2: of seasons, especially an achronus with their GM higher, with

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Speaker 2: their quarterback draft. Everything is like it's sort of Bearsian

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Speaker 2: of the last several seasons where you would almost get

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Speaker 2: everything lined up and then something would happen and you

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Speaker 2: won't be lined up with all three positions of power

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Speaker 1: Yeah, they've they've never been lined up. They're you know,

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Speaker 1: in the on the shortlist of the most dysfunctional franchises

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Speaker 1: in the league. Let's go through it. John Robinson and

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Speaker 1: thirteen months later, they fired Mike Rabel after he has

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Speaker 1: you know, they ownership chose the new GM ran Carthon.

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Speaker 1: That is when they hire Brian Callahan. That that's only

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Speaker 1: which is almost unprecedented. So that's that's ownership saying that

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Speaker 1: they made a pretty big mistake. They announced that Brian

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Speaker 1: Callahan was involved in the hiring of the new GM

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Speaker 1: Mike Borganzi, so as recently as January, unless they were

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Speaker 1: these situations, it could have always been this guy Chad Brinker,

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Speaker 2: Common denominator of all of this, even.

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Speaker 1: He only goes back a couple of years. But yes,

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Speaker 1: he admitted he has full personnel control. So it's not

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Speaker 1: the GM Borganzh who comes from the Chiefs. He has

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Speaker 1: And then it's like, oh, it's not my fault. I

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And that's part of the reason why failure compounds

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Speaker 2: in buildings that just seem so out of sync and

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Speaker 2: other part of it is if you are evaluating players,

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Speaker 1: You've got that's crazy, But I don't.

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Speaker 2: Think people understand. And I sort of saw this firsthand

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Speaker 2: a year. It's like the continuity matters. Continuity matters so

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Speaker 2: same scouts year over year, but they're being told to

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Speaker 2: You are either listening to a new coach who and

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Speaker 2: in some cases, in some buildings, you are dictating to

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Speaker 2: It's just not It does not spell success when failure compounds.

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Speaker 2: The number one reason is because they are not developing

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Speaker 2: It's part of the reason why gms who maybe aren't

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Speaker 2: But you're you're establishing at least a bench a bunch

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Speaker 1: So they make Mike McCoy the interim head coach. I

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Speaker 1: think more than anything, it was just Brian Callahan didn't

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Speaker 1: have it like we're making all the reasons why the

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Speaker 1: Titans as an organization hasn't had it for a while.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, he is a fault for some of this too.

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Speaker 2: I mean he did not.

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Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, he's at fault more than anyone. I

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Speaker 1: never really understood the hire to begin with. He clearly

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Speaker 1: his dad, who was a great offensive line coach. Although

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Speaker 1: the offensive line I would say is the most single

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Speaker 1: it didn't work with Tennessee. But you just you never

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Speaker 1: you saw that again and again that it was just

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Speaker 1: a really poorly run offense. They didn't win games, they

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Speaker 1: didn't show progress, So all that like makes sense. Mike

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Speaker 1: a very depressing time. The last couple of years he

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Speaker 4: Or come on, man, what kind of question is that

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Speaker 2: I don't know who it was, but it was very blunt.

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Speaker 1: In that game. But I think it speaks to where

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Speaker 2: been thinking about since training camp. We all should be

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Speaker 2: thinking about and talking about as it pertains to can

436
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Speaker 2: Carson Wentz actually like not Carson Wentz up a game,

437
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Speaker 2: you know or has he heard it? Like it banged

438
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Speaker 2: up Max Brosmer, their backup who basically they he was

439
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Speaker 2: the only backup that stayed on the team. They overhauled

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Speaker 2: their higher quarterbacks room late into training camp to bring

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Speaker 2: Carson Winson. They kept Max Brosmer in when I was

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Speaker 2: there for training camp. Not only was he throwing the

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Speaker 2: ball really well, but like the coaching staff like this

444
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Speaker 2: kid's got something and the coaching staff is buying in

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Speaker 2: on his development.

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Speaker 5: Now.

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Speaker 2: I'm not saying he's gonna come out here and be

448
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Speaker 2: the future. I'm not saying that at all. Please don't

449
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Speaker 2: be in my comments section, But and I put him

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Speaker 2: on the Future Hits list for that reason, and I

451
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Speaker 2: got I caught heat for it, because why the hell

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Speaker 2: am I putting don't don't I know JJ McCarthy's on

453
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Speaker 2: this team, Why the hell am I putting Max Brosmer

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Speaker 2: for the Minnesota Vikings choice and all of that fair.

455
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Speaker 2: But he's got something to him and the coaches see

456
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Speaker 2: it and they like it, and they want him to

457
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Speaker 2: keep They want him to stick around, and they want

458
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Speaker 2: to develop it.

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Speaker 1: I was getting excited in London when when he was

460
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Speaker 1: worming up on the sideline, we thought it was Bras time,

461
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Speaker 1: but it didn't happen. Wentz stayed in that game. The

462
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Speaker 1: more interesting part for me is if JJ McCarthy is

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Speaker 1: back on the practice field, and maybe they'll use the

464
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Speaker 1: injury as an excuse. They're bringing him back slowly, but

465
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Speaker 1: if he is on the practice field and he's not starting,

466
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Speaker 1: it is really taking a more aggressive Hey, we're trying

467
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Speaker 1: to develop this kid long term, but we kind of

468
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Speaker 1: decided he is not ready to go right now and

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Speaker 1: he is not going to be starting games when he

470
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Speaker 1: is able, which was kind of my suspicion over the

471
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Speaker 1: last couple of weeks anyways, and it's different, but I

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Speaker 1: think we have to support quarterbacks having different development arcs,

473
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Speaker 1: yes and timeline, So we definitely would have been surprised

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Speaker 1: going into the season to find out that this is

475
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Speaker 1: how it was going. But we'll see. Maybe it will

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Speaker 1: be McCarthy this week and this will all be a

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Speaker 1: waste of time. Surprising news this week, Eagles pass rusher

478
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Speaker 1: Zadarius Smith retired out of nowhere and he signed with

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Speaker 1: the team four weeks ago. Made a big impact, i

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Speaker 1: would say, in the first couple of games and has

481
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Speaker 1: been playing plenty there without Nolan Smith, so they are

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Speaker 1: very thin in terms of their edge rush group. It

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Speaker 1: is becoming a major problem for them. They have a

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Speaker 1: Zizo Jalari, they have Jlyx Hunt, but they are just

485
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Speaker 1: not getting much heat. So it just makes you think

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Speaker 1: that Howie Roseman's going to make a move there, maybe

487
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Speaker 1: a move at cornerback. More than that in a little bit.

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Speaker 1: And then finally I noticed Chauncey Gardner Johnson was released

489
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Speaker 1: from the practice squad, and since we are the official

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Speaker 1: podcast tracking all the doings of CJ GJ are Great, producer,

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Speaker 1: Eric decided he'd put together something combining a couple of

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Speaker 1: clips from the last few weeks. Let's be real, every

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Speaker 1: team that's gotten Chauncey Gardner Johnson since has gotten sick

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Speaker 1: of him pretty quickly.

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Speaker 2: But it's always it's getting shorter and short, it's getting shorter.

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Speaker 1: The Eagles had him for a year and then they

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Speaker 1: let him go to the Lions, who had him for

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Speaker 1: a year, and to be fair to you know, CJGG,

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Speaker 1: the Eagles took him back once getting add a little

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Speaker 1: spicy defense you CJ. Gardner Johnson who did not play

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Speaker 1: well or fit in in Houston. Yeah, but you don't

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Speaker 1: go to the Ravens kicking that noise.

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Speaker 2: How many weeks is he there?

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Speaker 1: I feel like he's gonna have learned and he's a

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Speaker 1: good player. Oh yeah, I'm gonna say, all right, there

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Speaker 1: we go weeks left. We'll be there through this left

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Speaker 1: and then I'm gonna give him one more year, thirty

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Speaker 1: weeks left. I just think it's a solid year.

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Speaker 2: And at any point but.

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Speaker 1: This is and then it'll kind of expire. That second

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Speaker 1: clip was from seven days ago, so I was only

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Speaker 1: twenty nine weeks off. That was rough.

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Speaker 2: That's okay, you know what his agents, we start the

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Speaker 2: counter is the agent.

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Speaker 1: Told Pro Football Talk that they wanted a spot with

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Speaker 1: a clearer path to plane, and once the Ravens made

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Speaker 1: another trade for a safety Aloie Gilman, the path to

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Speaker 1: plane was really no longer there, and so he gone.

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Speaker 2: I need someone to not let me put off getting

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Speaker 2: a haircut for quite long in the future. Real shaggy

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Speaker 2: September over here.

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Speaker 1: I mean, yes, that those two clips from September and

523
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Speaker 1: quiet October, so much happens. I love a little shaggy September.

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Speaker 1: Let's take a break. We're going to play a little

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Speaker 1: game of would you wrap there? In just a few minutes,

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Speaker 1: tak a little TNF two back on NFL Daily and

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Speaker 1: we're gonna play a quick game of would you rather?

528
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Speaker 1: And we're approaching the trade deadline. We're still pretty far

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Speaker 1: away November fourth, but I've already gotten a lot of trades.

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Speaker 2: Mm h. This is great for you. You love this.

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Speaker 1: I love trade season. And if you think about this

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Speaker 1: season in particular, there's a lot of teams at the

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Speaker 1: bottom definite sellers. Titans, Raiders, Saints, Browns, Jets. That's a

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Speaker 1: lot of potential sellers. Considering we're only six weeks in.

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Speaker 1: We still got a few more weeks. There's more possible

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Speaker 1: teams out there, Like would the Ravens and Bengals ever

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Speaker 1: be sellers? I mean if the Ravens Cardinals, Yeah, if

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Speaker 1: they took on some l so we're gonna play some

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Speaker 1: Would you rather mine were somewhat focused on jamming some

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Speaker 1: some trade content?

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Speaker 2: So I'm gonna shocked by this information.

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Speaker 1: I'm just gonna throw out one which has just like

543
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Speaker 1: a little bit of backing, you know, information behind it,

544
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Speaker 1: but is more just spicy and fun. Would you rather

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Speaker 1: Aj Brown? Or actually, let's go AJ Brown and a

546
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Speaker 1: fourth round pick? Or Christian Gonzales of the Patriots?

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Speaker 2: Whoa, oh man.

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Speaker 1: This is partly informed by Mike Rabel and the Patriots

549
00:27:28,119 --> 00:27:30,680
Speaker 1: seeming to be like a little annoyed all the time

550
00:27:30,720 --> 00:27:34,480
Speaker 1: about Christian injuries, about injuries and about injured players in general.

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Speaker 2: This wasnese not actually humanly helped. Let's be annoyed about that.

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Speaker 1: And yeah, and Mike Rabel made it pretty clear in

553
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Speaker 1: Tennessee he would get sick of and sometimes get rid

554
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Speaker 1: of players who would miss practice with soft tissue injuries,

555
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Speaker 1: which is what christ so to me, it doesn't make

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Speaker 1: a ton of sense to trade him. But if you would,

557
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Speaker 1: the Patriots have been connected with AJ Brown. And this

558
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Speaker 1: is just a way of the large your conversation and look,

559
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Speaker 1: teams are having it around the league, like could AJ

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Speaker 1: Brown be available? I think there's a lot of teams

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Speaker 1: that think either AJ Brown or DeVante Smith could be

562
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Speaker 1: available at some point. To me, AJ Brown would make

563
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Speaker 1: more sense of those two. And so there's an interesting

564
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Speaker 1: need combo here. I think the Eagles would do that trade.

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Speaker 1: But which would you rather?

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Speaker 2: I would rather have? If I'm a team that's in

567
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Speaker 2: contention possibility like at a Hey, I'm a buyer and

568
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Speaker 2: I'm looking to see if you know, after the deadline

569
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Speaker 2: I can make a real run. Would I would take

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Speaker 2: AJ Brown? If I had a quarterback and if I

571
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Speaker 2: had a pass heavy or even balanced attack like I'm

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Speaker 2: looking at. You know, there's a couple teams in Los

573
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Speaker 2: Angeles that might be into having AJ Brown on their roster.

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Speaker 2: There are teams all over the NFC. There's a Buffalo

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Speaker 2: Bills team.

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Speaker 1: If he was available, he'd have a fantastic market.

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Speaker 2: Yes, there'd be a Buffalo Bills team that might be

578
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Speaker 2: super interested in having a receiver finally, a number one

579
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Speaker 2: receiver like AJ Brown on the team, and maybe even

580
00:29:05,920 --> 00:29:08,960
Speaker 2: having a player such as that on your roster kills

581
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Speaker 2: the entire section of the playbook that's all gadget plays.

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Speaker 2: How about that? Wouldn't that be something for the Buffalo Bills. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: I think I would pick AJ Brown. I love Christian Gonzales,

584
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Speaker 2: you know this, but I think that I would rather.

585
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Speaker 2: If I'm looking to actually make a push, I'm looking

586
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Speaker 2: at scoring points, run blocking, I pick Aj a little.

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Speaker 1: Maybe I'm overrating Christian Azal because I threw in a

588
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Speaker 1: fourth with AJ Brown, Because I just figured Gonzalez is

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Speaker 1: going to get a big contract after this season. He'll

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Speaker 1: be eligible, yeah, for the first time. So the big

591
00:29:41,080 --> 00:29:44,520
Speaker 1: contract wait the Patriots out is coming. But the big

592
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Speaker 1: contract would be coming for AJ Brown too. You can't

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Speaker 1: trade for him and not give him even another upgrade,

594
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Speaker 1: although he just got one. He's already getting paid a

595
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Speaker 1: lot of money. But the difference in years I just

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Speaker 1: think about. Yes, I guess what top like number one

597
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Speaker 1: wide receivers are earth on the market a little bit

598
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Speaker 1: more than number one cornerbacks. But I think if you

599
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Speaker 1: were just putting cornerbacks on the open market in a vacuum,

600
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Speaker 1: everyone's just available. I would guess Christian Gonzalez would be

601
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Speaker 1: a top five cornerback in the entire NFL, and maybe

602
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Speaker 1: AJ Brown is a top five receiver too, But at

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Speaker 1: that age and you have cost control for him, like

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Speaker 1: for five six years, I would think that would be

605
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Speaker 1: like an extremely attractive trade target that Patriots fans would

606
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Speaker 1: go crazy if they traded him.

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Speaker 2: But if you are again you're talking trade deadlines, yesally Greg,

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Speaker 2: So you're not really thinking necessarily about twenty twenty six.

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Speaker 2: If you're a team that is aggressive to buy at

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Speaker 2: the trade deadline, you are thinking about this January and

611
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Speaker 2: potentially this February. That's what you're thinking about. All the

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Speaker 2: other stuff can come after that, but that's what you're

613
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Speaker 2: thinking about. Is breaking through that final window of contention,

614
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Speaker 2: that final little ceiling and getting into like the real

615
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Speaker 2: contention area versus playoff contention. You have to make some

616
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Speaker 2: big moves in order to get to that point. And

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Speaker 2: that's why I think a team would and and potentially

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Speaker 2: will even make this move if he's available, because he

619
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Speaker 2: could take he can take your receiver's room from an

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Speaker 2: A to an A plus a B to an A

621
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Speaker 2: plus hell a C to an A depending on your

622
00:31:18,480 --> 00:31:21,880
Speaker 2: passing attack and your quarterback. If you bring him into

623
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Speaker 2: your building.

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Speaker 1: Well, imagine AJ Brown is the one you're talking about.

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Speaker 1: You need to get quarterback. How would Drake May? He

626
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Speaker 1: would he would qualify. Think, Oh, I mean I want

627
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Speaker 1: this to be in the trade. This is that's yes,

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Speaker 1: that's the trade. That's what I'm saying. Which, so you're

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Speaker 1: so back I think that, I think I could see

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Speaker 1: that happening. I wouldn't want it. I actually would rather

631
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Speaker 1: have Christian Gondals personally because of the long term, long

632
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Speaker 1: term thing. Hard to find a good young cornwork. All right,

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Speaker 1: give me one.

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Speaker 2: Okay, this is kind of related to not just this

635
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Speaker 2: head coaching vacancy, but a couple of others who have

636
00:31:53,200 --> 00:31:56,840
Speaker 2: been on shaky ground over the last year or so.

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Speaker 2: Would you rather you're starting in twenty twenty six. You're

638
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Speaker 2: not coming in now, You're starting in twenty twenty six.

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00:32:03,080 --> 00:32:06,240
Speaker 2: Rosters as is okay, so don't do the free agent

640
00:32:06,280 --> 00:32:09,480
Speaker 2: math or anything. Rosters are as is. Would you rather

641
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Speaker 2: take over the Tennessee Titans, the New York Jets, the

642
00:32:14,840 --> 00:32:17,760
Speaker 2: Miami Dolphins, or the New York Giants?

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Speaker 1: In Ownership counts.

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00:32:20,760 --> 00:32:24,720
Speaker 2: Ownership, everything counts, But you are making roster and coaching decisions.

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Speaker 1: Oh I'm drunk with power. Yeah, well you'd like this one. Yeah,

646
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Speaker 1: you can eliminate the Dolphins and the Jets quickly. I

647
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Speaker 1: think because they don't have quarterbacks that I would want

648
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Speaker 1: Jackson Dart is a consideration ownership. You know, these are

649
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Speaker 1: teams that have done a lot of losing. Ultimately, I

650
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Speaker 1: think you'd feel better about the Giants ownership, like over

651
00:32:50,720 --> 00:32:53,800
Speaker 1: the you know, the longest of stretches, so that that's

652
00:32:53,840 --> 00:32:57,600
Speaker 1: a positive for them. You know, I'm gonna have a

653
00:32:57,640 --> 00:32:59,280
Speaker 1: lot of confidence that I'm going to be the one

654
00:32:59,320 --> 00:33:02,520
Speaker 1: to really fix things, and I can fix some camboard.

655
00:33:02,600 --> 00:33:04,320
Speaker 1: I think I would take over the Titans of it

656
00:33:04,360 --> 00:33:05,160
Speaker 1: just because of camboard.

657
00:33:05,360 --> 00:33:07,960
Speaker 2: That's that's an interesting one. I actually thought you would

658
00:33:07,960 --> 00:33:12,080
Speaker 2: pick that one. I actually would pick the Dolphins because

659
00:33:12,240 --> 00:33:15,040
Speaker 2: I if I'm looking at the roster as is what

660
00:33:15,200 --> 00:33:17,840
Speaker 2: I see. If I am a GM or whoever the

661
00:33:17,840 --> 00:33:20,720
Speaker 2: person in control is going to be, I will get

662
00:33:20,720 --> 00:33:23,520
Speaker 2: to hire my own head coach at that point, and

663
00:33:23,680 --> 00:33:26,160
Speaker 2: intern there hasn't already been a move to make that

664
00:33:26,200 --> 00:33:29,959
Speaker 2: move prior to twenty twenty six. Okay, I will I

665
00:33:30,040 --> 00:33:34,360
Speaker 2: see a roster full of big time tradable assets from

666
00:33:34,400 --> 00:33:38,560
Speaker 2: the quarterback to the edge rushers to the receivers. Still

667
00:33:38,720 --> 00:33:39,240
Speaker 2: if you want to.

668
00:33:39,280 --> 00:33:41,400
Speaker 1: But you said, like for the rest of this season

669
00:33:41,440 --> 00:33:43,200
Speaker 1: or next no, no, next season, Well those guys are

670
00:33:43,240 --> 00:33:43,800
Speaker 1: all gone.

671
00:33:43,960 --> 00:33:46,920
Speaker 2: But I'm saying you have this whatever core is there, now,

672
00:33:46,960 --> 00:33:48,240
Speaker 2: this is what you have to work with. That's what

673
00:33:48,280 --> 00:33:51,960
Speaker 2: I'm saying. Don't think agency or whatever. Like I see

674
00:33:52,680 --> 00:33:57,360
Speaker 2: a complete rebuild, and I see a huge load of

675
00:33:57,400 --> 00:34:00,920
Speaker 2: picks coming in, draft picks coming in because of all

676
00:34:00,960 --> 00:34:04,600
Speaker 2: of these players who would then be deemed as tradable

677
00:34:05,640 --> 00:34:07,880
Speaker 2: to completely overhaul and rebuild that entire proce.

678
00:34:07,920 --> 00:34:10,479
Speaker 1: See we we we see things differently because they would

679
00:34:10,480 --> 00:34:12,840
Speaker 1: be last on my list. I don't see any players

680
00:34:13,320 --> 00:34:15,640
Speaker 1: that I really want long term. There are not many

681
00:34:15,760 --> 00:34:19,440
Speaker 1: like Jalen and Waddle. Like there's one Patrick Paul, somebody,

682
00:34:19,520 --> 00:34:20,000
Speaker 1: there's two.

683
00:34:20,640 --> 00:34:23,440
Speaker 2: Somebody would trade for Tua, sure.

684
00:34:23,360 --> 00:34:25,719
Speaker 1: But not not that much. And you'd have to you

685
00:34:25,840 --> 00:34:27,800
Speaker 1: have to take a dead cap hit and everything to

686
00:34:28,120 --> 00:34:29,920
Speaker 1: get rid of him. I don't think you're going to

687
00:34:29,960 --> 00:34:33,440
Speaker 1: get much the pass rushers, even pretending they're on the

688
00:34:33,440 --> 00:34:34,960
Speaker 1: team next year, which they're not going to be.

689
00:34:35,960 --> 00:34:37,960
Speaker 2: This is the parameter, right, But even then he gave

690
00:34:37,960 --> 00:34:40,359
Speaker 2: me a J Brown, a fourth round pick. You play

691
00:34:40,400 --> 00:34:42,560
Speaker 2: in the parameters of my game, So I will never

692
00:34:42,600 --> 00:34:43,479
Speaker 2: play settlers of Cata.

693
00:34:44,800 --> 00:34:48,200
Speaker 1: I would put him, you know, even if you're getting

694
00:34:48,200 --> 00:34:49,960
Speaker 1: the stuff that you would get for him, like this year,

695
00:34:50,000 --> 00:34:52,080
Speaker 1: for instance, because I think Chubb and Jalen Phillips will

696
00:34:52,120 --> 00:34:54,759
Speaker 1: be available in trades. I just I don't know if

697
00:34:54,760 --> 00:34:56,879
Speaker 1: it's much. The longer I thought about it, though, after

698
00:34:56,920 --> 00:35:00,040
Speaker 1: I answered quickly because my initial instinct is just just

699
00:35:00,160 --> 00:35:02,839
Speaker 1: take the team with the best quarterback. Yeah, I don't

700
00:35:02,840 --> 00:35:04,759
Speaker 1: think that's right, because I think the Jets and the

701
00:35:04,800 --> 00:35:12,440
Speaker 1: Giants ultimately have way more foundational pieces that I like.

702
00:35:12,560 --> 00:35:16,920
Speaker 1: I kind of like the Jets offensive line, like their vacuum.

703
00:35:17,000 --> 00:35:20,759
Speaker 1: They're two young tackles, that's like a really nice starting point.

704
00:35:20,760 --> 00:35:23,279
Speaker 1: You have Garrett Wilson, you have Sauce Gardner. It's a

705
00:35:23,280 --> 00:35:26,920
Speaker 1: lot to overcome. The Giants I think are the pick. Actually,

706
00:35:26,920 --> 00:35:28,759
Speaker 1: though for me, now that I came all the way

707
00:35:28,760 --> 00:35:31,279
Speaker 1: back around, I'm not sure how I feel about Jackson Dart,

708
00:35:31,280 --> 00:35:34,160
Speaker 1: but I get to see what happens, and you know,

709
00:35:34,200 --> 00:35:36,880
Speaker 1: you took them late enough that you can still have

710
00:35:36,960 --> 00:35:39,760
Speaker 1: eyes wide open at quarterback. But you have Molik Neighbors,

711
00:35:39,800 --> 00:35:43,600
Speaker 1: you have Andrew Thomas, you have Abdell Carter, you have

712
00:35:43,640 --> 00:35:47,440
Speaker 1: Brian Burns, you have Dexter Lawrence. Ultimately, you have at

713
00:35:47,520 --> 00:35:51,400
Speaker 1: least a history that they used to win some games.

714
00:35:51,560 --> 00:35:52,600
Speaker 2: That was my second pick.

715
00:35:52,680 --> 00:35:52,919
Speaker 1: Blue.

716
00:35:53,080 --> 00:35:56,520
Speaker 2: The Giants were my second pick because of all of

717
00:35:56,560 --> 00:35:59,120
Speaker 2: the players that you just said, minus perhaps Jackson Dark

718
00:35:59,120 --> 00:36:00,440
Speaker 2: because I would not want it to take over a

719
00:36:00,440 --> 00:36:04,080
Speaker 2: team and inherit a quarterback who wasn't like a lights

720
00:36:04,080 --> 00:36:07,080
Speaker 2: out Jayden Daniel's superstar, like you know.

721
00:36:07,080 --> 00:36:08,600
Speaker 1: We'll see how he looks the rest of the year

722
00:36:08,719 --> 00:36:10,240
Speaker 1: and then we'll just replace him.

723
00:36:10,360 --> 00:36:11,920
Speaker 2: And yeah, that's what I'm saying, is like you could

724
00:36:11,920 --> 00:36:14,879
Speaker 2: always you could always move from somebody who isn't necessarily

725
00:36:14,920 --> 00:36:17,920
Speaker 2: a top five pick. You can always reputationally and optically

726
00:36:17,960 --> 00:36:19,600
Speaker 2: move on from that player. So it's good. I just

727
00:36:19,600 --> 00:36:21,000
Speaker 2: wouldn't want to inherit the quarterback.

728
00:36:21,080 --> 00:36:23,840
Speaker 1: That's fair. Although after that last game, I mean my

729
00:36:23,960 --> 00:36:28,440
Speaker 1: mind is open. That game was good enough to change.

730
00:36:28,760 --> 00:36:31,160
Speaker 2: We don't know if he's gonna make it to next year. Cope,

731
00:36:31,200 --> 00:36:32,080
Speaker 2: he stays healthy.

732
00:36:32,239 --> 00:36:34,879
Speaker 1: That one game. That one game was good enough though

733
00:36:35,440 --> 00:36:38,799
Speaker 1: to change I think, like the math of Jackson Dark.

734
00:36:38,840 --> 00:36:42,160
Speaker 1: Like if we were redoing the draft right now just

735
00:36:42,239 --> 00:36:44,319
Speaker 1: based off that one game, I think it would be

736
00:36:44,880 --> 00:36:47,279
Speaker 1: like you have to move off your points. That game

737
00:36:47,320 --> 00:36:49,160
Speaker 1: was good enough at an NFL level, and he did

738
00:36:49,200 --> 00:36:51,000
Speaker 1: so many different really good things in that game, like

739
00:36:51,200 --> 00:36:53,080
Speaker 1: he would be a top five pick. He would no

740
00:36:53,120 --> 00:36:54,200
Speaker 1: longer be a late pick.

741
00:36:54,239 --> 00:36:57,440
Speaker 2: I love this because I remember, and fairly so. I

742
00:36:57,440 --> 00:36:59,360
Speaker 2: think at the time you comped him to Tim Tebow

743
00:36:59,400 --> 00:37:00,760
Speaker 2: because because.

744
00:37:00,760 --> 00:37:03,120
Speaker 1: I just went that was a team TEPO performance. You

745
00:37:03,560 --> 00:37:04,680
Speaker 1: mean in terms of the stack.

746
00:37:04,840 --> 00:37:06,560
Speaker 2: Eric's been great to sun up some of the tapes

747
00:37:06,600 --> 00:37:08,440
Speaker 2: we could we could go through the transcript, so yes,

748
00:37:08,480 --> 00:37:11,600
Speaker 2: later on, but I remember texting you during this this

749
00:37:11,719 --> 00:37:15,440
Speaker 2: last game that their their win and saying, see not

750
00:37:15,560 --> 00:37:16,120
Speaker 2: Tim Tebo.

751
00:37:16,320 --> 00:37:18,719
Speaker 1: Yes, I mean very much not Tim Tebow in that game.

752
00:37:19,440 --> 00:37:22,160
Speaker 1: I'm going to do a little different type of would

753
00:37:22,160 --> 00:37:24,279
Speaker 1: you rather We're going to go back to the trade candidates.

754
00:37:24,440 --> 00:37:26,879
Speaker 1: But first this is more of just a life one,

755
00:37:26,960 --> 00:37:30,200
Speaker 1: all right, you have the option.

756
00:37:30,480 --> 00:37:33,040
Speaker 2: Remember I'm already getting hit twenty times in my lifetime

757
00:37:33,080 --> 00:37:34,000
Speaker 2: by Miles Garrett.

758
00:37:34,200 --> 00:37:37,800
Speaker 1: It's closer to that one. All right, you have the option,

759
00:37:38,080 --> 00:37:41,279
Speaker 1: and we actually have a drop ready here. You have

760
00:37:41,440 --> 00:37:46,240
Speaker 1: the option to listen to this drop in a soundproof booth.

761
00:37:46,480 --> 00:37:53,960
Speaker 2: Baker Ball Cathe sod rolling manbe baker Ball Caith Sadrobe

762
00:37:54,400 --> 00:37:56,520
Speaker 2: no baker Bole Cathe.

763
00:37:56,640 --> 00:37:58,440
Speaker 1: So just keep that plane.

764
00:37:59,239 --> 00:38:03,520
Speaker 2: Listen to this keeps while in a soundproof booth baker

765
00:38:03,880 --> 00:38:05,080
Speaker 2: Ball for.

766
00:38:05,120 --> 00:38:10,759
Speaker 1: Twenty four hours straight, while watching the Baker Mayfield Scramble

767
00:38:10,880 --> 00:38:16,280
Speaker 1: from Sunday on a huge television in which the soundproof booth,

768
00:38:16,320 --> 00:38:20,280
Speaker 1: you will be given exactly two salads from the huddle

769
00:38:20,800 --> 00:38:24,000
Speaker 1: at ten hour intervals. You can choose the ingredients of

770
00:38:24,040 --> 00:38:28,520
Speaker 1: the salads. I know you like that, okay or okay.

771
00:38:28,680 --> 00:38:30,880
Speaker 2: Ball yeah, please stop?

772
00:38:31,040 --> 00:38:35,080
Speaker 1: Okay. So it would be twenty three hours fifty nine

773
00:38:35,120 --> 00:38:39,600
Speaker 1: minutes more of that, but then you're watching the scramble

774
00:38:40,080 --> 00:38:42,760
Speaker 1: or you're back in the soundproof booth for twenty four hours,

775
00:38:43,120 --> 00:38:46,560
Speaker 1: but you have to listen to a specially curated podcast

776
00:38:47,000 --> 00:38:51,560
Speaker 1: by Eric collecting every single mention and discussion of Drake

777
00:38:51,680 --> 00:38:56,440
Speaker 1: may since the inception of NFL Daily. You don't have

778
00:38:56,520 --> 00:38:59,640
Speaker 1: to clap for when you like good points, but every

779
00:38:59,680 --> 00:39:04,719
Speaker 1: time you do a bag of trapper beef jerky magically

780
00:39:05,000 --> 00:39:09,120
Speaker 1: appears for sustenance, So it's which would you rather?

781
00:39:09,239 --> 00:39:12,520
Speaker 2: This is so personally curated. I don't know whether to

782
00:39:12,560 --> 00:39:17,680
Speaker 2: be horrified or feel very special? Right, thank you? Oh

783
00:39:17,680 --> 00:39:19,040
Speaker 2: I do love a huddle sour.

784
00:39:20,920 --> 00:39:22,360
Speaker 1: Okay, I thought that would be.

785
00:39:22,440 --> 00:39:26,400
Speaker 2: Playing the sound. Stop playing the sound.

786
00:39:27,160 --> 00:39:29,600
Speaker 1: It's twenty four hours. What if I threw in with

787
00:39:29,719 --> 00:39:32,880
Speaker 1: the drake May deal. You can also get the bucks,

788
00:39:33,040 --> 00:39:35,800
Speaker 1: you know every Sunday as like an assience. I picked that, Okay,

789
00:39:35,840 --> 00:39:37,640
Speaker 1: so good. I just think that I want you to

790
00:39:37,680 --> 00:39:40,319
Speaker 1: have to listen to all the drake May the beef jerky.

791
00:39:40,360 --> 00:39:42,600
Speaker 1: Anytime you clap, you have to clap to a good point.

792
00:39:42,600 --> 00:39:47,880
Speaker 2: But yeah, good job, Greg, Thank you right the whole time, Greg,

793
00:39:48,000 --> 00:39:49,279
Speaker 2: Drake May Drake May.

794
00:39:49,320 --> 00:39:51,840
Speaker 1: Greg. No, No, we've got We've got time to go.

795
00:39:51,880 --> 00:39:52,880
Speaker 1: All right, you're up.

796
00:39:53,920 --> 00:39:58,160
Speaker 2: Oh that was so fun. Okay, I took your This

797
00:39:58,200 --> 00:40:02,880
Speaker 2: is another like very person only detailed one. I you know,

798
00:40:03,080 --> 00:40:04,920
Speaker 2: I cherish our friendship, and so I thought about you

799
00:40:04,960 --> 00:40:09,840
Speaker 2: specifically when designing this one, mostly based on your stature.

800
00:40:11,040 --> 00:40:12,719
Speaker 1: Would you like to talk about that a lot?

801
00:40:12,960 --> 00:40:17,560
Speaker 2: Complete? A pass behind attempt to pass behind the Raiders

802
00:40:17,640 --> 00:40:22,640
Speaker 2: offensive line or against the Broncos defensive line.

803
00:40:22,680 --> 00:40:26,800
Speaker 1: Oh wait, you have to complete complete a pass behind

804
00:40:27,520 --> 00:40:28,920
Speaker 1: behind the Raiders offense.

805
00:40:29,080 --> 00:40:29,200
Speaker 5: One.

806
00:40:29,200 --> 00:40:34,840
Speaker 2: I'd rather either do that or attempt to pass against

807
00:40:34,840 --> 00:40:36,320
Speaker 2: the Broncos defensive.

808
00:40:36,000 --> 00:40:37,839
Speaker 1: Okay, well, I would just go Raiders because I would

809
00:40:37,840 --> 00:40:40,800
Speaker 1: hope that you know, we're playing the Titans or something

810
00:40:40,840 --> 00:40:42,000
Speaker 1: like that. I don't know who we're playing.

811
00:40:42,080 --> 00:40:43,600
Speaker 2: Jeffrey Simmons right in your face.

812
00:40:43,600 --> 00:40:44,720
Speaker 1: I mean, that wouldn't be great.

813
00:40:44,800 --> 00:40:47,960
Speaker 2: I mean interior pressure for a lower stature quarterback.

814
00:40:48,040 --> 00:40:53,800
Speaker 1: But basically, the Browns defense is a worst case scenario.

815
00:40:53,960 --> 00:40:56,279
Speaker 1: If you're picking the defensive line, I least want to

816
00:40:56,320 --> 00:40:59,080
Speaker 1: go against. You know, they're in the top five certainly,

817
00:40:59,320 --> 00:41:01,480
Speaker 1: So I just feel like I'm going to roll with

818
00:41:01,520 --> 00:41:03,839
Speaker 1: the Raiders. I feel like silver and black I would

819
00:41:03,880 --> 00:41:07,319
Speaker 1: look good. It's slimming, it's cool. I feel like you

820
00:41:07,360 --> 00:41:10,200
Speaker 1: put sixty percent G on the back of a Raiders jersey.

821
00:41:10,960 --> 00:41:12,520
Speaker 1: That's selling. Yeah, you know.

822
00:41:12,719 --> 00:41:16,200
Speaker 2: I also feel like, because you I would know that

823
00:41:16,280 --> 00:41:19,240
Speaker 2: you would want to just for a minute, put yourself

824
00:41:19,280 --> 00:41:22,880
Speaker 2: into Geno Smith's shoes, his cleats, feel his I mean,

825
00:41:22,960 --> 00:41:25,080
Speaker 2: not this year. You'd want to feel just a small

826
00:41:25,120 --> 00:41:28,000
Speaker 2: percentage of his pain. Take that away from him, you know,

827
00:41:28,320 --> 00:41:30,840
Speaker 2: take it upon your shoulders. It was in that moment.

828
00:41:30,960 --> 00:41:33,080
Speaker 2: You know, you only see one pair of footprints leaving

829
00:41:33,120 --> 00:41:34,920
Speaker 2: the field that day, Greg, It's in that moment that

830
00:41:34,960 --> 00:41:35,600
Speaker 2: you carried him.

831
00:41:36,280 --> 00:41:38,840
Speaker 1: I would do anything to help him out because he

832
00:41:38,920 --> 00:41:41,400
Speaker 1: is not having fun playing football right now. You can

833
00:41:41,440 --> 00:41:44,520
Speaker 1: see it. They got the shackles on him. It's not

834
00:41:44,640 --> 00:41:48,279
Speaker 1: going well. And yeah, you can kind of. Yeah, just

835
00:41:48,400 --> 00:41:51,520
Speaker 1: imagine what it's like for you know, watching Dylan Gabriel

836
00:41:51,680 --> 00:41:53,960
Speaker 1: every week and then like subtract like four or four

837
00:41:54,000 --> 00:41:58,000
Speaker 1: more inches he's what five ten, five eleven, Yeah, it

838
00:41:58,040 --> 00:42:01,920
Speaker 1: would it would be comical. I will wrap up with

839
00:42:02,560 --> 00:42:05,200
Speaker 1: a more of a trade deadline. He won again because

840
00:42:05,200 --> 00:42:07,600
Speaker 1: they didn't want to get you know, some talking in this.

841
00:42:08,080 --> 00:42:10,640
Speaker 1: There's a lot of interesting players potentially available, and so

842
00:42:10,680 --> 00:42:12,319
Speaker 1: I just thought I would give you some of the

843
00:42:12,320 --> 00:42:15,880
Speaker 1: offensive skill guys who would you want the most? So

844
00:42:16,400 --> 00:42:25,240
Speaker 1: I'll give you Chris Olava or Jacoby Myers or Breese

845
00:42:25,280 --> 00:42:30,880
Speaker 1: Hall or Rashid Shaheed. Those are some of the most

846
00:42:30,960 --> 00:42:36,239
Speaker 1: interesting skill position players I think will be available for

847
00:42:36,400 --> 00:42:38,440
Speaker 1: various prices during the trade deadline.

848
00:42:38,560 --> 00:42:41,040
Speaker 2: Jalen Waddle an option at all, No, you.

849
00:42:40,960 --> 00:42:42,439
Speaker 1: Could throw that in if you really want.

850
00:42:42,640 --> 00:42:45,600
Speaker 2: Okay, I'd probably take Jalen Waddle. Okay, Chris o Lave

851
00:42:45,960 --> 00:42:49,840
Speaker 2: would be good. I worry about the the concussion history,

852
00:42:49,920 --> 00:42:53,280
Speaker 2: obviously as a human, I worry about that. For him.

853
00:42:53,880 --> 00:42:56,239
Speaker 2: Rashid Shaheed's got some pop. I think I would take

854
00:42:56,280 --> 00:42:59,480
Speaker 2: Jalen Waddle though, if I was going to choose, especially

855
00:42:59,480 --> 00:43:02,120
Speaker 2: if I'm looking at the parameters in context of the

856
00:43:02,120 --> 00:43:06,560
Speaker 2: trade deadline, like I said, buying to win now, Yeah,

857
00:43:06,640 --> 00:43:10,000
Speaker 2: that's I think I would want that speed and versatility

858
00:43:10,280 --> 00:43:11,640
Speaker 2: on my on my roster.

859
00:43:11,800 --> 00:43:15,080
Speaker 1: I think I think they'll wind up not really making

860
00:43:15,160 --> 00:43:17,840
Speaker 1: him available, but I'm I'm making him available to you,

861
00:43:17,960 --> 00:43:20,160
Speaker 1: so that that's a totally fair answer. I could see that.

862
00:43:20,200 --> 00:43:24,480
Speaker 1: It's interesting to watch a lobby and Shaheed. Shaheed's running

863
00:43:24,960 --> 00:43:29,440
Speaker 1: more diverse routes these days. Like he beat Carlton Davis,

864
00:43:29,960 --> 00:43:32,560
Speaker 1: you know, on press coverage last week with a really

865
00:43:32,640 --> 00:43:36,440
Speaker 1: nice move and we were talking about too too out.

866
00:43:36,440 --> 00:43:38,319
Speaker 1: Well before the show, you're saying you can't you know,

867
00:43:38,480 --> 00:43:40,840
Speaker 1: you can't teach that sort of speed. Well, like Brashid

868
00:43:40,880 --> 00:43:43,919
Speaker 1: Shaheed's got that sort of speed. Literally the fastest player

869
00:43:43,960 --> 00:43:46,200
Speaker 1: in the NFL this year. In terms of, you know,

870
00:43:46,239 --> 00:43:49,360
Speaker 1: miles per hour on the on that long touchdown, and

871
00:43:49,440 --> 00:43:51,680
Speaker 1: some size to him and a little bit of versatility.

872
00:43:52,840 --> 00:43:55,439
Speaker 1: Albbs happens to be coming off one of the worst

873
00:43:55,480 --> 00:43:57,600
Speaker 1: games of his career, so maybe it's tough, but it

874
00:43:58,000 --> 00:44:00,440
Speaker 1: had me go back to watch those targets because he

875
00:44:00,600 --> 00:44:03,560
Speaker 1: is not He's not bringing in the contested catches he had.

876
00:44:03,880 --> 00:44:06,000
Speaker 1: I would say three drops in that game, like PFF

877
00:44:06,040 --> 00:44:08,960
Speaker 1: for instance, only gave him one. He's not quite as

878
00:44:09,000 --> 00:44:11,520
Speaker 1: explosive or maybe as confident as he used to be.

879
00:44:11,560 --> 00:44:14,680
Speaker 1: His yards per catch under ten. He's an interesting player.

880
00:44:14,719 --> 00:44:16,719
Speaker 1: I think as a trade deadline approaches, if I was

881
00:44:16,719 --> 00:44:19,560
Speaker 1: picking one of these players to most likely actually get dealt,

882
00:44:19,560 --> 00:44:21,319
Speaker 1: I think it would be Jacoby Myers, just because he's on.

883
00:44:21,320 --> 00:44:24,440
Speaker 2: The well and he there was all that buzz beforehand

884
00:44:24,600 --> 00:44:27,280
Speaker 2: before the season you wanted to get to be traded.

885
00:44:27,320 --> 00:44:30,200
Speaker 2: So yeah, I have no reason to believe that won't

886
00:44:30,200 --> 00:44:32,160
Speaker 2: eventually happen with the Raider season going the way that

887
00:44:32,239 --> 00:44:32,560
Speaker 2: it is.

888
00:44:33,239 --> 00:44:36,319
Speaker 1: Our friend Adam as you know, he's got good connections

889
00:44:36,320 --> 00:44:40,000
Speaker 1: and yeah, look, I think any Saints player, for the

890
00:44:40,040 --> 00:44:42,560
Speaker 1: most part, except for the really young players, are going

891
00:44:42,640 --> 00:44:44,840
Speaker 1: to be available for the right price. But there's a

892
00:44:44,840 --> 00:44:48,320
Speaker 1: couple of guys on that team, like Pete Werner, their linebacker,

893
00:44:48,480 --> 00:44:51,879
Speaker 1: or Carl Granderson who you almost expect to get dealt

894
00:44:52,160 --> 00:44:54,520
Speaker 1: I don't think a guy like Shaheed or even a

895
00:44:54,600 --> 00:44:57,400
Speaker 1: Lave would go unless someone comes in and gives a

896
00:44:57,400 --> 00:44:57,879
Speaker 1: big price.

897
00:44:58,000 --> 00:45:00,480
Speaker 2: Unless two two out Well is not available move and

898
00:45:00,520 --> 00:45:01,440
Speaker 2: I believe he will be.

899
00:45:01,640 --> 00:45:04,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, he would be available, but he would have cost

900
00:45:05,160 --> 00:45:07,959
Speaker 1: second rounder minimum maybe at first. I mean, he's gonna

901
00:45:07,960 --> 00:45:11,320
Speaker 1: get a big contract, good big second contract. I wondered

902
00:45:11,360 --> 00:45:14,799
Speaker 1: if Jordan Addison could ever be available, just because the

903
00:45:14,840 --> 00:45:18,200
Speaker 1: contracts structure. They need him this year, but also you

904
00:45:18,239 --> 00:45:20,319
Speaker 1: know he's had the suspensions and things that are always

905
00:45:20,360 --> 00:45:23,440
Speaker 1: popping up. David and Joku I think will be available.

906
00:45:23,719 --> 00:45:24,480
Speaker 2: I see that one.

907
00:45:24,520 --> 00:45:28,200
Speaker 1: There's some interesting offensive linement like the entire Rounds interior

908
00:45:28,239 --> 00:45:30,360
Speaker 1: line I think could be available. Kevin Zeitler or the

909
00:45:30,360 --> 00:45:33,080
Speaker 1: Titans I think could be available. It'll be interesting. We'll

910
00:45:33,080 --> 00:45:35,080
Speaker 1: get into it more when we get clear.

911
00:45:35,200 --> 00:45:37,640
Speaker 2: Your favorite to the deadline, Your favorite time of year?

912
00:45:38,640 --> 00:45:40,160
Speaker 2: Great Season, Part two.

913
00:45:40,200 --> 00:45:46,000
Speaker 1: Our TNF preview. It is in Cincinnati Thursday night. Steelers

914
00:45:46,040 --> 00:45:50,920
Speaker 1: are five and a half point favorites going to Cincinnati,

915
00:45:51,160 --> 00:45:56,399
Speaker 1: and yeah, Joe Flacco who started for the Bengals only suddenly, yes,

916
00:45:56,640 --> 00:46:01,000
Speaker 1: six days after arriving there is gonna start another game

917
00:46:01,320 --> 00:46:04,319
Speaker 1: four days after the first start. It's outrageous, at least

918
00:46:04,320 --> 00:46:05,480
Speaker 1: according to Mike Tomlin.

919
00:46:05,640 --> 00:46:07,360
Speaker 5: You know, to be honest, it was shocking to me.

920
00:46:09,200 --> 00:46:11,440
Speaker 5: Andrew Berry must be a lot smarter than me or us,

921
00:46:12,920 --> 00:46:15,759
Speaker 5: because it doesn't make sense to me to trade a

922
00:46:15,840 --> 00:46:18,720
Speaker 5: quarterback that you think enough of to make your opening

923
00:46:18,760 --> 00:46:22,360
Speaker 5: day starter to a division opponent that's hurting in that area.

924
00:46:23,360 --> 00:46:24,840
Speaker 5: But that's just my personal feelings.

925
00:46:25,440 --> 00:46:28,440
Speaker 1: Who Okay, someone is not a fan of Andrew Berry

926
00:46:28,760 --> 00:46:32,680
Speaker 1: because I feel like Mike Tomlin would not make that

927
00:46:32,800 --> 00:46:35,680
Speaker 1: point at a criticism for something that is worthy of

928
00:46:35,719 --> 00:46:38,520
Speaker 1: being critique this specific move if you want to from

929
00:46:38,560 --> 00:46:40,600
Speaker 1: Mike Tomlin, if he didn't have a little more of

930
00:46:40,680 --> 00:46:43,120
Speaker 1: something there that he's just not a fan of how

931
00:46:43,200 --> 00:46:45,240
Speaker 1: Andrew Berry and the Browns do business.

932
00:46:45,320 --> 00:46:47,120
Speaker 2: Someone wanted to face Jake Browning.

933
00:46:48,400 --> 00:46:49,680
Speaker 1: Come on, that's fair.

934
00:46:49,760 --> 00:46:52,840
Speaker 2: He knows Joe Flaco so well at this point that

935
00:46:52,920 --> 00:46:55,560
Speaker 2: dude wanted Jake Browning ball. I know you're still a believer.

936
00:46:55,800 --> 00:46:57,240
Speaker 1: No, I'm not I'm definitely not.

937
00:46:57,320 --> 00:46:59,920
Speaker 2: No, but he that guy really wanted Jake Browning.

938
00:47:00,480 --> 00:47:03,120
Speaker 1: I don't think it's that. I think he's questioning like

939
00:47:03,280 --> 00:47:06,880
Speaker 1: the integrity of the Browns and how they operate. And

940
00:47:07,280 --> 00:47:08,960
Speaker 1: I saw a lot of people answered it's like, oh,

941
00:47:09,040 --> 00:47:11,400
Speaker 1: well you got something for Joe Flacco, like that's a

942
00:47:11,440 --> 00:47:13,920
Speaker 1: clear win, Like of course you would do that. Like

943
00:47:14,000 --> 00:47:15,640
Speaker 1: what are you even talking about? You can't be worried

944
00:47:15,640 --> 00:47:18,239
Speaker 1: you're not gonna win your division anyways. Okay, let's calm

945
00:47:18,280 --> 00:47:20,719
Speaker 1: down about Oh they got something, they got something about, Hey,

946
00:47:20,719 --> 00:47:22,920
Speaker 1: we got trade research. You got a fifth to a

947
00:47:23,000 --> 00:47:26,719
Speaker 1: sixth round pick swap that's worth nothing, like that is

948
00:47:26,760 --> 00:47:29,600
Speaker 1: worth next to nothing and whatever people make a big

949
00:47:29,640 --> 00:47:31,320
Speaker 1: deal of like, oh we got something for him, and

950
00:47:31,360 --> 00:47:34,000
Speaker 1: it's some like pick swap that you're gonna give up

951
00:47:34,000 --> 00:47:35,880
Speaker 1: a million times on Day three of the draft when

952
00:47:35,920 --> 00:47:38,560
Speaker 1: you're just like moving, it's just like calm down. I

953
00:47:38,960 --> 00:47:41,600
Speaker 1: kind of like Mike Tomlin saying, like, are we even

954
00:47:41,600 --> 00:47:43,759
Speaker 1: trying to win at playing football here? Or we just

955
00:47:44,200 --> 00:47:45,760
Speaker 1: are we just like playing math?

956
00:47:46,239 --> 00:47:50,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, because he sometimes he does make comments about other organizations,

957
00:47:50,320 --> 00:47:53,239
Speaker 2: but it's never over like it's always very there's a

958
00:47:53,239 --> 00:47:56,480
Speaker 2: lot of like subtext to wade through, and there's like

959
00:47:56,560 --> 00:48:00,319
Speaker 2: hints and clues, bits and pieces, but never like I'm

960
00:48:00,360 --> 00:48:04,040
Speaker 2: going to call you by your name kind of a

961
00:48:04,080 --> 00:48:07,120
Speaker 2: thing like that was wild to me. I still, I

962
00:48:07,160 --> 00:48:10,120
Speaker 2: do think there's something too, not really wanting to see

963
00:48:10,160 --> 00:48:13,000
Speaker 2: the more veteran quarterback, especially one who's so familiar with

964
00:48:13,040 --> 00:48:17,359
Speaker 2: the Steelers and the defense they have always run. That's

965
00:48:17,440 --> 00:48:20,840
Speaker 2: changing a little bit now, but still is Mike Tomlin's

966
00:48:20,840 --> 00:48:24,040
Speaker 2: defense twenty five times, twenty two in the regular season

967
00:48:24,040 --> 00:48:26,080
Speaker 2: and three times in the playoffs. These Joe Flacco has

968
00:48:26,120 --> 00:48:26,920
Speaker 2: faced the Steelers.

969
00:48:26,960 --> 00:48:27,280
Speaker 1: Wow.

970
00:48:27,360 --> 00:48:30,640
Speaker 2: Blaco is eleven and eleven in the regular season against

971
00:48:30,640 --> 00:48:33,440
Speaker 2: the Steelers and one to two in the playoffs. In

972
00:48:33,520 --> 00:48:35,799
Speaker 2: the twenty two regular season meetings. This courtesy of my

973
00:48:35,800 --> 00:48:38,880
Speaker 2: colleague Mike de Fabo at the Athletic he's completed sixty

974
00:48:38,920 --> 00:48:41,759
Speaker 2: one percent of his passes with twenty seven touchdowns and

975
00:48:41,960 --> 00:48:45,640
Speaker 2: twelve interceptions for a passer rating of eighty five point four.

976
00:48:45,800 --> 00:48:48,200
Speaker 2: When he's at a passer rating of ninety eight or higher,

977
00:48:48,680 --> 00:48:51,960
Speaker 2: he's been seven to zero including the playoffs against the Steelers.

978
00:48:52,160 --> 00:48:54,200
Speaker 2: So yeah, I think he wanted Jake Browning.

979
00:48:54,360 --> 00:48:57,839
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean let's calm down though, Like I know.

980
00:48:57,840 --> 00:48:59,919
Speaker 2: It's like Joe Flacco, It's like seventy year old Joe.

981
00:49:00,400 --> 00:49:02,800
Speaker 1: Get that. No, I mean, let's come down. Those numbers

982
00:49:02,800 --> 00:49:05,200
Speaker 1: are doing a lot of work from you know, ten

983
00:49:05,200 --> 00:49:07,040
Speaker 1: to fifteen years previous when they were.

984
00:49:08,080 --> 00:49:10,560
Speaker 2: Seventy year old Joe Flago. But he still he knows

985
00:49:10,640 --> 00:49:11,040
Speaker 2: this group.

986
00:49:11,320 --> 00:49:13,799
Speaker 1: He played well last week. I think the Bengals are

987
00:49:13,840 --> 00:49:15,719
Speaker 1: putting a lot into what happened in the second half

988
00:49:15,800 --> 00:49:19,400
Speaker 1: of last week. But he did show up there and

989
00:49:19,440 --> 00:49:22,680
Speaker 1: that Jamar Chase touchdown was a thing of beauty. And

990
00:49:22,719 --> 00:49:25,080
Speaker 1: we find out after the game that it was inaudible

991
00:49:25,239 --> 00:49:28,960
Speaker 1: called by Jamar Chase. I mean, I haven't heard that happen.

992
00:49:29,120 --> 00:49:31,320
Speaker 1: I love. It also makes you wonder, like what exactly

993
00:49:31,360 --> 00:49:34,680
Speaker 1: is Zach Taylor doing there that the wide receiver is

994
00:49:34,719 --> 00:49:37,640
Speaker 1: going into the huddle and just calling plays because Flacco

995
00:49:37,719 --> 00:49:40,160
Speaker 1: and Chase and Higgins. Flacco was saying it was so

996
00:49:40,200 --> 00:49:41,960
Speaker 1: cool to see how good they are on the field,

997
00:49:42,000 --> 00:49:43,919
Speaker 1: like he literally had in practice with them, He had

998
00:49:44,120 --> 00:49:47,000
Speaker 1: twelve practice snaps with them during the week and to

999
00:49:47,040 --> 00:49:48,879
Speaker 1: see what they could do on the field, and they

1000
00:49:48,880 --> 00:49:50,879
Speaker 1: were just talking about, hey, this could work, that could

1001
00:49:50,880 --> 00:49:53,200
Speaker 1: work and they're out there just like calling plays by themselves.

1002
00:49:53,239 --> 00:49:55,319
Speaker 1: And I think he got rid of the ball very

1003
00:49:55,360 --> 00:49:57,520
Speaker 1: quickly in the second half of that game. He was

1004
00:49:57,600 --> 00:50:00,239
Speaker 1: decisive and he looked better in that one half than

1005
00:50:00,280 --> 00:50:02,320
Speaker 1: he had at any point for the Browns this season.

1006
00:50:02,440 --> 00:50:05,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, he gives the great receivers a chance, and he's

1007
00:50:05,480 --> 00:50:08,120
Speaker 2: not really like he's playing kind of like fit mode

1008
00:50:08,120 --> 00:50:11,239
Speaker 2: football right now. He literally has nothing to lose. These

1009
00:50:11,239 --> 00:50:14,239
Speaker 2: teams are trading him around basically being like, can you

1010
00:50:14,360 --> 00:50:16,719
Speaker 2: help us get the ball to our pass catchers so

1011
00:50:17,480 --> 00:50:20,200
Speaker 2: that they don't stop showing up to our building? Like,

1012
00:50:20,719 --> 00:50:22,919
Speaker 2: get these guys the ball. And that's what he's going

1013
00:50:23,000 --> 00:50:25,000
Speaker 2: to do. And with as sort of banged up and

1014
00:50:25,080 --> 00:50:27,920
Speaker 2: limited as they've been the Steelers have been in the secondary,

1015
00:50:28,120 --> 00:50:31,360
Speaker 2: Joey Porter Junior obviously came back last week, still a

1016
00:50:31,400 --> 00:50:33,759
Speaker 2: little bit banged up from the injury. Jalen Ramsey was

1017
00:50:33,760 --> 00:50:36,120
Speaker 2: dealing with the hamstring but played really well last week

1018
00:50:37,320 --> 00:50:40,240
Speaker 2: on a short week. I think that, Yeah, you're probably

1019
00:50:40,320 --> 00:50:42,400
Speaker 2: kind of annoyed that this is the guy who's at

1020
00:50:42,480 --> 00:50:44,960
Speaker 2: least going to give his pass catcher a shot, right.

1021
00:50:45,640 --> 00:50:48,040
Speaker 1: I do think he's an upgrade ultimately, they have so

1022
00:50:48,080 --> 00:50:51,400
Speaker 1: many other problems on their team, and so I'm curious

1023
00:50:51,440 --> 00:50:55,160
Speaker 1: what you think about Aaron Rodgers coming off potentially this

1024
00:50:55,320 --> 00:50:58,560
Speaker 1: game in years. Yeah, potentially his best game since the Packers.

1025
00:50:58,680 --> 00:51:00,719
Speaker 1: He did have some great box score games with the

1026
00:51:00,800 --> 00:51:03,719
Speaker 1: Jets last year, but eye test wise, I thought he

1027
00:51:03,840 --> 00:51:06,719
Speaker 1: kept stacking really good play after really good play. He

1028
00:51:06,760 --> 00:51:09,280
Speaker 1: had the wow plays, but overall he was just really composed.

1029
00:51:09,440 --> 00:51:11,839
Speaker 1: And he's going up against a Bengals defense which might

1030
00:51:11,840 --> 00:51:16,640
Speaker 1: not have Trey Hendrickson and just benched their inside linebacker

1031
00:51:16,880 --> 00:51:20,360
Speaker 1: Logan Wilson, who had gotten multiple long term contracts and

1032
00:51:20,440 --> 00:51:22,919
Speaker 1: is only twenty nine years old, and they benched them

1033
00:51:23,160 --> 00:51:26,360
Speaker 1: for a rookie, Barrett Carter. So they're playing two rookies

1034
00:51:26,360 --> 00:51:30,120
Speaker 1: at linebacker, neither of Rogers, neither of whom played well

1035
00:51:30,200 --> 00:51:32,520
Speaker 1: last week. By the way, Demetrius Knight really hasn't played

1036
00:51:32,520 --> 00:51:35,080
Speaker 1: well all season. So how about that chess match for

1037
00:51:35,239 --> 00:51:39,240
Speaker 1: Rogers against this al Golden defense which has been playing

1038
00:51:39,280 --> 00:51:40,600
Speaker 1: hard but not consistent.

1039
00:51:40,760 --> 00:51:44,200
Speaker 2: When I went back and watched the Steelers this Alto

1040
00:51:44,280 --> 00:51:47,759
Speaker 2: into the Steelers this last game, yeah, I agree with you.

1041
00:51:47,800 --> 00:51:50,960
Speaker 2: I think other than that sort of garbage time of

1042
00:51:51,000 --> 00:51:53,640
Speaker 2: the season, Rams game where the Rams came to the

1043
00:51:53,680 --> 00:51:56,799
Speaker 2: Metal Lands when he was still a jet and made

1044
00:51:56,800 --> 00:51:58,399
Speaker 2: it kind of a game at the end of the game.

1045
00:51:58,480 --> 00:52:00,399
Speaker 2: Other than that game, this is the best game I've

1046
00:52:00,400 --> 00:52:03,200
Speaker 2: seen from Rogers in a while, and it really was

1047
00:52:03,320 --> 00:52:06,360
Speaker 2: the second half. And what I saw from Aaron Rodgers

1048
00:52:06,440 --> 00:52:09,560
Speaker 2: in that game was a lot of the last couple

1049
00:52:09,560 --> 00:52:12,520
Speaker 2: of years have really been punctuated by like there have

1050
00:52:12,560 --> 00:52:15,920
Speaker 2: been mistakes all over the field, himself included, and he's

1051
00:52:15,960 --> 00:52:18,719
Speaker 2: always looking around and getting angry, and he's angry at

1052
00:52:18,719 --> 00:52:22,480
Speaker 2: the sideline, and he's angry at team and he's just angry. Well,

1053
00:52:22,640 --> 00:52:25,640
Speaker 2: in this game, early on, he misses a long pass

1054
00:52:25,680 --> 00:52:31,120
Speaker 2: attempt to DK Metcalf. It was wildly underthrown, like egregiously underthrown.

1055
00:52:31,200 --> 00:52:32,839
Speaker 2: So that's the thing where you're like, Okay, this is

1056
00:52:32,840 --> 00:52:35,560
Speaker 2: probably why in part he's not really throwing the ball

1057
00:52:35,640 --> 00:52:38,359
Speaker 2: down down the field anymore. But he didn't. He got mad.

1058
00:52:38,400 --> 00:52:40,920
Speaker 2: He was mad at himself, clearly, like he sort of

1059
00:52:40,920 --> 00:52:45,279
Speaker 2: internalized it in a way that to me, I've only

1060
00:52:45,280 --> 00:52:48,040
Speaker 2: been watching him externalize it for the last couple of years,

1061
00:52:48,040 --> 00:52:51,919
Speaker 2: and instead he folded back into what the game plan

1062
00:52:52,000 --> 00:52:54,839
Speaker 2: clearly was and will be moving forward, which is hit

1063
00:52:54,920 --> 00:52:57,279
Speaker 2: yak plays and get the ball out fast, which he

1064
00:52:57,280 --> 00:53:00,960
Speaker 2: always does, but depend on the guys to get yards

1065
00:53:01,000 --> 00:53:03,719
Speaker 2: after the catch, whether it's DK Metcalf who's touchdown later

1066
00:53:03,760 --> 00:53:05,600
Speaker 2: in the game was off of a yards after the

1067
00:53:05,640 --> 00:53:08,239
Speaker 2: catch play on a quick throw by Aaron Rodgers where

1068
00:53:08,320 --> 00:53:10,959
Speaker 2: he was excuse me, on a movement throw by Aaron

1069
00:53:11,040 --> 00:53:14,040
Speaker 2: Rodgers where he was bootlegging out, which is great because

1070
00:53:14,080 --> 00:53:16,640
Speaker 2: he looks better moving now than he has in quite

1071
00:53:16,640 --> 00:53:19,480
Speaker 2: some time. He doesn't look twenty, but he definitely looks

1072
00:53:19,480 --> 00:53:20,120
Speaker 2: better than we've.

1073
00:53:20,080 --> 00:53:21,640
Speaker 1: A lot of plays a last week.

1074
00:53:21,520 --> 00:53:23,000
Speaker 2: A lot of plays on the move. They're moving his

1075
00:53:23,040 --> 00:53:25,920
Speaker 2: spot around and he's getting yards after catch plays to

1076
00:53:25,960 --> 00:53:28,799
Speaker 2: guys like Jalen Warren who is playing a little yards

1077
00:53:29,000 --> 00:53:30,960
Speaker 2: after the catch receiver as well as running the ball

1078
00:53:31,280 --> 00:53:34,120
Speaker 2: and DK Metcalf, And I think, and especially including the

1079
00:53:34,120 --> 00:53:37,600
Speaker 2: tight ends and the way that they're protecting, especially last week,

1080
00:53:37,760 --> 00:53:40,120
Speaker 2: and the way that they're moving his launch point, I

1081
00:53:40,200 --> 00:53:42,359
Speaker 2: think that that bodes well. This bodes well for Aaron

1082
00:53:42,400 --> 00:53:46,600
Speaker 2: Rodgers and the Steelers. If he again he had the

1083
00:53:46,680 --> 00:53:49,000
Speaker 2: confidence and he'd let that thing sail and it was

1084
00:53:49,719 --> 00:53:54,000
Speaker 2: several feet before where he intended to put it, and

1085
00:53:54,040 --> 00:53:56,560
Speaker 2: I think seeing that and then being like, Okay, I

1086
00:53:56,560 --> 00:53:58,799
Speaker 2: got to come back to Arthur Smith's game plan here

1087
00:53:59,080 --> 00:54:01,040
Speaker 2: and actually adhering to it, I think it worked.

1088
00:54:01,239 --> 00:54:04,239
Speaker 1: And the play has essentially ended for Rogers this year

1089
00:54:04,280 --> 00:54:07,440
Speaker 1: when he's gotten pressure quickly, even last week, like the

1090
00:54:07,520 --> 00:54:10,279
Speaker 1: numbers under pressure have been bad. And I don't think

1091
00:54:10,280 --> 00:54:12,759
Speaker 1: their offensive line played well at all against Cleveland pass

1092
00:54:12,800 --> 00:54:16,000
Speaker 1: pro wise, but that's a much tougher matchup and they

1093
00:54:16,080 --> 00:54:18,720
Speaker 1: game planned around it so well. We talked to Miles

1094
00:54:18,719 --> 00:54:21,360
Speaker 1: Garrett talked about it in the post game that it

1095
00:54:21,400 --> 00:54:24,160
Speaker 1: didn't matter. So if you have a bad pass protection

1096
00:54:24,239 --> 00:54:26,200
Speaker 1: group and I'm still waiting to see what the Steelers

1097
00:54:26,239 --> 00:54:28,440
Speaker 1: group is, like, I mean, this is the perfect matchup

1098
00:54:28,440 --> 00:54:32,160
Speaker 1: for you. The Bengals just have no juice if Hendrickson

1099
00:54:32,280 --> 00:54:33,759
Speaker 1: is not on the field, and even if he is

1100
00:54:33,800 --> 00:54:36,120
Speaker 1: on the field, they don't have a ton of juice.

1101
00:54:36,160 --> 00:54:38,680
Speaker 1: And you mentioned the tight ends. They have gone to

1102
00:54:38,719 --> 00:54:44,160
Speaker 1: the Darnel Washington offense like he love it. He's dominating snaps.

1103
00:54:44,239 --> 00:54:47,080
Speaker 1: Pat Freiremouth is tight end three there now by quite

1104
00:54:47,120 --> 00:54:50,720
Speaker 1: a distance. So it's Washington playing eighty percent of the snaps.

1105
00:54:50,760 --> 00:54:53,080
Speaker 1: John Wis Smith's gonna be on the field quite a bit,

1106
00:54:53,120 --> 00:54:56,800
Speaker 1: and they're using Washington really as an extra offensive lineman,

1107
00:54:56,840 --> 00:55:00,799
Speaker 1: but also detaching him. And I really think he is

1108
00:55:00,840 --> 00:55:03,480
Speaker 1: the third most important person on that offense to DK

1109
00:55:03,560 --> 00:55:05,799
Speaker 1: Metcalf and Aaron Rodgers, and he might be just as

1110
00:55:05,840 --> 00:55:10,000
Speaker 1: important as DK Metcalf. It's it's crazy. So it's an

1111
00:55:10,040 --> 00:55:13,120
Speaker 1: uphill battle for the Bengals. Although you know, Thursday night

1112
00:55:13,200 --> 00:55:15,520
Speaker 1: in the division at home, if you're into those sort

1113
00:55:15,560 --> 00:55:18,880
Speaker 1: of numbers, it is pretty rare for like a team

1114
00:55:18,920 --> 00:55:21,000
Speaker 1: to go on the road winning the division on these

1115
00:55:21,000 --> 00:55:24,240
Speaker 1: short rest, especially in the AFC North. Yeah, the Bengals

1116
00:55:24,239 --> 00:55:25,960
Speaker 1: have complained about it for years, and they got a

1117
00:55:25,960 --> 00:55:26,959
Speaker 1: home game here this week.

1118
00:55:26,960 --> 00:55:28,600
Speaker 2: And I will say I did get a kick out

1119
00:55:28,600 --> 00:55:31,960
Speaker 2: of Aaron Rodgers' response to Evan Washburn, who asked him,

1120
00:55:32,120 --> 00:55:34,520
Speaker 2: what was it like for you to come down and

1121
00:55:34,640 --> 00:55:37,880
Speaker 2: you know, experience some AFC North football after this last game,

1122
00:55:38,440 --> 00:55:40,239
Speaker 2: And Rogers sort of looks at him and is like, well,

1123
00:55:40,280 --> 00:55:43,480
Speaker 2: I've been playing NFC North football for woo and so

1124
00:55:43,719 --> 00:55:47,080
Speaker 2: it's like, okay, So he's not I think I think

1125
00:55:47,080 --> 00:55:49,640
Speaker 2: he's feeling it a little bit, and he's not really

1126
00:55:49,640 --> 00:55:51,920
Speaker 2: phased by any of this. They already have such a

1127
00:55:52,000 --> 00:55:54,840
Speaker 2: gap thanks in part to some of the injuries around

1128
00:55:54,840 --> 00:55:57,680
Speaker 2: the division, especially at quarterback, they already have such a gap.

1129
00:55:58,040 --> 00:56:00,839
Speaker 2: These are games you cannot losebous, so you cannot play

1130
00:56:00,880 --> 00:56:03,400
Speaker 2: down to your opponent. If they can literally just hit

1131
00:56:03,440 --> 00:56:05,520
Speaker 2: the floor of their potential in this game, I think

1132
00:56:05,560 --> 00:56:06,839
Speaker 2: they have no problems in this team.

1133
00:56:06,960 --> 00:56:08,680
Speaker 1: Five and a halfs a lot. I would maybe take

1134
00:56:08,719 --> 00:56:12,080
Speaker 1: the Bengals there. And yeah, if the Steelers win this game,

1135
00:56:12,960 --> 00:56:14,799
Speaker 1: they should win the division. I mean they should win

1136
00:56:14,840 --> 00:56:16,040
Speaker 1: the division regardless.

1137
00:56:16,080 --> 00:56:18,480
Speaker 2: They have a seventy two percent chance right now before

1138
00:56:18,480 --> 00:56:19,399
Speaker 2: this game of winning the.

1139
00:56:19,320 --> 00:56:23,400
Speaker 1: Division, right, And like, yeah, he isn't really raiding the

1140
00:56:23,440 --> 00:56:26,000
Speaker 1: AFC North because he showed up for just in time

1141
00:56:26,000 --> 00:56:28,200
Speaker 1: for Joe Burrow to get hurt, Lamar Jackson to get hurt,

1142
00:56:28,320 --> 00:56:31,040
Speaker 1: for both those teams defenses to absolutely stink, and for

1143
00:56:31,080 --> 00:56:34,880
Speaker 1: the Browns to be the Browns, but a particularly depressing

1144
00:56:35,280 --> 00:56:38,120
Speaker 1: version of the Browns. And oh, by the way, the

1145
00:56:38,160 --> 00:56:42,000
Speaker 1: Steelers defense has been getting better and better Nick Kerberg.

1146
00:56:42,040 --> 00:56:44,719
Speaker 1: No matter how good you think Nick Kerberg is, he's

1147
00:56:44,760 --> 00:56:47,600
Speaker 1: probably better. There's a pretty strong argument to be made

1148
00:56:47,640 --> 00:56:49,680
Speaker 1: that like He's not just the best pass rusher on

1149
00:56:49,719 --> 00:56:52,040
Speaker 1: this team. I think that's I think that's clear right now.

1150
00:56:52,080 --> 00:56:54,440
Speaker 1: He's better than TJ. Watt, but he you know, he's

1151
00:56:54,480 --> 00:56:56,200
Speaker 1: top five in the league just in terms of that,

1152
00:56:56,320 --> 00:56:57,359
Speaker 1: like pure skill set.

1153
00:56:57,400 --> 00:57:02,279
Speaker 2: They're sending more blitzes. Jalen had a couple of hits

1154
00:57:02,360 --> 00:57:05,480
Speaker 2: quarterback hits because of the blitzes that they're starting to

1155
00:57:05,520 --> 00:57:08,200
Speaker 2: do safety blitzer or send that slot player in for

1156
00:57:08,239 --> 00:57:12,960
Speaker 2: extra pressure too. That actually really compliments Nick Herbig super well.

1157
00:57:13,080 --> 00:57:15,440
Speaker 2: You could see how well that those two kind of

1158
00:57:15,440 --> 00:57:16,960
Speaker 2: work off of each other. It's not just how he

1159
00:57:17,000 --> 00:57:19,919
Speaker 2: works with the rest of the defensive line and they

1160
00:57:19,960 --> 00:57:22,800
Speaker 2: I know, they were like really penalized last week too.

1161
00:57:23,240 --> 00:57:26,040
Speaker 2: I don't really mind that. I just saw more like

1162
00:57:26,200 --> 00:57:29,120
Speaker 2: juice from this defense, you know, and getting guys back

1163
00:57:29,160 --> 00:57:32,280
Speaker 2: helps obviously, but I just saw just more from them

1164
00:57:32,600 --> 00:57:34,680
Speaker 2: and like just that like that feeling that kind of

1165
00:57:34,760 --> 00:57:36,640
Speaker 2: jumps off the screen that you can't really quantify.

1166
00:57:36,840 --> 00:57:39,600
Speaker 1: Yes, I saw that too in London that you know,

1167
00:57:39,640 --> 00:57:42,960
Speaker 1: their defense came out to a slow start, to put

1168
00:57:42,960 --> 00:57:45,200
Speaker 1: it nicely, to start the season, but I think they've

1169
00:57:45,240 --> 00:57:48,160
Speaker 1: been getting better and better as they go. Who knows

1170
00:57:48,200 --> 00:57:50,720
Speaker 1: Bengals defense is you know that I know the webin

1171
00:57:50,800 --> 00:57:54,880
Speaker 1: on the text thread with the Wesleyan brothers, and you

1172
00:57:54,960 --> 00:57:58,120
Speaker 1: know they've noticed that DJ Turner is playing well, like

1173
00:57:58,200 --> 00:58:00,960
Speaker 1: Dax Hill is playing well, like they've been hard. I

1174
00:58:00,960 --> 00:58:03,440
Speaker 1: think they can make this thing interesting. But yeah, ultimately

1175
00:58:03,520 --> 00:58:05,600
Speaker 1: it'd be surprising if the Steelers did not win. We

1176
00:58:05,680 --> 00:58:12,920
Speaker 1: will be recapping that game on Thursday. Yeah, let's forget

1177
00:58:12,960 --> 00:58:14,520
Speaker 1: even playing the music out.

1178
00:58:14,840 --> 00:58:16,040
Speaker 2: I picked the other one.

1179
00:58:16,480 --> 00:58:18,120
Speaker 1: We will be back.

1180
00:58:18,200 --> 00:58:19,160
Speaker 2: I chose the Bear.

1181
00:58:19,680 --> 00:58:23,280
Speaker 1: You will be back, Jordan, and this Baker. This drop

1182
00:58:23,320 --> 00:58:25,280
Speaker 1: will probably be back too, because we'll be talking about

1183
00:58:25,320 --> 00:58:29,920
Speaker 1: the Buccaneers and every single game other than TNF, previewing

1184
00:58:29,960 --> 00:58:32,800
Speaker 1: it all from the studio on Wednesday.

1185
00:58:32,960 --> 00:58:37,920
Speaker 2: We will see that Baker. Oh my god, that's really annoying.

1186
00:58:38,600 --> 00:58:40,920
Speaker 2: Ball Keith sun rolling Ben