1 00:00:01,480 --> 00:00:07,200 Speaker 1: The Around the NFL Podcast is down with the get down. 2 00:00:08,320 --> 00:00:11,320 Speaker 1: Welcome back to another edition of the Around the NFL Podcast. 3 00:00:11,400 --> 00:00:13,600 Speaker 1: My name is Dan Hansis and I am joined by 4 00:00:13,680 --> 00:00:18,200 Speaker 1: Ruebla Heroes, Mark Sessler, Chris Westling and Greg Rosa. Thought 5 00:00:18,239 --> 00:00:23,400 Speaker 1: what's up boys? Hey? Dan? Sometimes, uh, there's so much 6 00:00:23,440 --> 00:00:27,640 Speaker 1: heroism within Studio seven here that I I just lose it. 7 00:00:28,160 --> 00:00:30,520 Speaker 1: I can't deal with it. It's just you can't play 8 00:00:30,600 --> 00:00:32,720 Speaker 1: with the natural, raw emotion as a host that you 9 00:00:32,800 --> 00:00:35,800 Speaker 1: admit from show to show. The real hero is Mark Shirt, 10 00:00:36,159 --> 00:00:39,000 Speaker 1: you know, slowly drooping as the show wears on. It's 11 00:00:39,040 --> 00:00:41,560 Speaker 1: any female listeners are watching our videos out there, you 12 00:00:41,600 --> 00:00:43,760 Speaker 1: can catch a little bit of that chest there, of 13 00:00:43,800 --> 00:00:46,320 Speaker 1: that Hamburg and sound attractive at all. I mean, listen, 14 00:00:46,320 --> 00:00:48,720 Speaker 1: when you're getting dressed at like five am and you're 15 00:00:48,760 --> 00:00:51,199 Speaker 1: just pulling, you know, Linen's out of a closet, You 16 00:00:51,240 --> 00:00:52,800 Speaker 1: have no idea what it is. This is what happens. 17 00:00:52,960 --> 00:00:55,400 Speaker 1: We hear that a lot um, I guess, Greg. We 18 00:00:55,480 --> 00:00:57,160 Speaker 1: hear you say the same thing a lot about the 19 00:00:57,200 --> 00:01:00,480 Speaker 1: early morning dressing. If we could started as someone out 20 00:01:00,480 --> 00:01:03,560 Speaker 1: there that can start a Kickstarter fund to build walk 21 00:01:03,600 --> 00:01:07,319 Speaker 1: in closets separated from the bedroom for both Mark and Greg. 22 00:01:07,680 --> 00:01:09,600 Speaker 1: I think they would be appreciative and maybe they'd come 23 00:01:09,600 --> 00:01:13,240 Speaker 1: in looking dapper or flashlight. You could use your iPhone. 24 00:01:13,319 --> 00:01:16,800 Speaker 1: You know, I've tried that. I've tried all that. I've 25 00:01:16,800 --> 00:01:19,480 Speaker 1: tried all that. This is the s the Around the 26 00:01:19,560 --> 00:01:22,480 Speaker 1: NFL podcast and uh, you know, a big show today, 27 00:01:22,560 --> 00:01:25,240 Speaker 1: and you know, we we got a lot of feedback 28 00:01:25,280 --> 00:01:28,560 Speaker 1: on every episode on Twitter. The feedback we got UM 29 00:01:28,680 --> 00:01:32,920 Speaker 1: on Monday's episode was mostly related to laser beams, UM, 30 00:01:33,160 --> 00:01:35,800 Speaker 1: which you know, uh TV behind the glass. Let us 31 00:01:35,880 --> 00:01:40,119 Speaker 1: know that the video to audio transformation that we're under 32 00:01:40,400 --> 00:01:44,160 Speaker 1: lad to what sounded like an attack from a race 33 00:01:44,280 --> 00:01:47,880 Speaker 1: from way out in the solar system transformer and sect 34 00:01:47,920 --> 00:01:51,320 Speaker 1: if you will. I don't get the reference, but I 35 00:01:51,360 --> 00:01:55,360 Speaker 1: thought it was the start of that forty world ending 36 00:01:55,600 --> 00:01:58,760 Speaker 1: that Mark referenced a few episodes ago. Well, it was 37 00:01:58,880 --> 00:02:02,120 Speaker 1: much less Lobo and it was, but it was very 38 00:02:02,160 --> 00:02:05,360 Speaker 1: annoying according to the people on Twitter. So we promised 39 00:02:05,600 --> 00:02:07,640 Speaker 1: the people and and TD are on board with this 40 00:02:07,960 --> 00:02:10,440 Speaker 1: as well, that you won't hear any laser beams. Well 41 00:02:10,440 --> 00:02:13,000 Speaker 1: I promised the people. You did, Yeah, I did, Like, Hey, 42 00:02:13,320 --> 00:02:15,760 Speaker 1: that was on us. You know we'll move forward and uh, 43 00:02:15,840 --> 00:02:18,320 Speaker 1: no more laser beams. Were working through our campaign promise 44 00:02:18,440 --> 00:02:21,919 Speaker 1: no laser beams in two thousand fifteen. The biggest disappointment though, 45 00:02:22,320 --> 00:02:25,240 Speaker 1: no more laser beams. Make America great again, Come be 46 00:02:25,320 --> 00:02:30,480 Speaker 1: for president. The biggest mistake though, was all these these 47 00:02:30,520 --> 00:02:33,480 Speaker 1: insane lasers all through the show and we're trying to 48 00:02:33,520 --> 00:02:37,320 Speaker 1: talk to each other and not one Bill laser joke. Well, Mark, 49 00:02:37,360 --> 00:02:38,880 Speaker 1: I'll put that at your feet because he's your boy. 50 00:02:38,960 --> 00:02:41,320 Speaker 1: No listen, that's my fault. But it was also just 51 00:02:41,400 --> 00:02:44,120 Speaker 1: like such an assault on the senses. You know, other 52 00:02:44,160 --> 00:02:46,799 Speaker 1: than West who's quietly been lobbying for more laser beams, 53 00:02:47,240 --> 00:02:50,120 Speaker 1: you know, I blame Fox Sports for starting this whole 54 00:02:50,200 --> 00:02:53,959 Speaker 1: laser phenomenon. We don't need lasers with our sports. Sorry robots, 55 00:02:54,200 --> 00:02:56,280 Speaker 1: but yeah, get rid of them all. If Monday was 56 00:02:56,440 --> 00:02:58,120 Speaker 1: you know the show where it's like, you know, NFL, 57 00:02:59,760 --> 00:03:03,000 Speaker 1: no more train, don't need no more mama hand this 58 00:03:03,040 --> 00:03:07,000 Speaker 1: one's Hey, Fox, get rid of the robot the robot 59 00:03:07,080 --> 00:03:11,440 Speaker 1: football guy. Hey, every other station quit following Fox like 60 00:03:11,520 --> 00:03:15,079 Speaker 1: lambs to the slaughter. I'll take I'll take right there. 61 00:03:15,440 --> 00:03:17,800 Speaker 1: The worst thing, the worst Fox graphic by far is 62 00:03:17,840 --> 00:03:20,680 Speaker 1: when you get to the holiday season and they have 63 00:03:20,800 --> 00:03:23,120 Speaker 1: the score box in the corner, and it's like, okay, 64 00:03:23,120 --> 00:03:25,560 Speaker 1: it's cute too. They put like Christmas lights around the 65 00:03:25,600 --> 00:03:27,959 Speaker 1: score in the corner of the time. But then once 66 00:03:28,000 --> 00:03:30,600 Speaker 1: you get to like right before Christmas, then they start 67 00:03:30,639 --> 00:03:34,400 Speaker 1: having snow falling on the box and it's like, what's 68 00:03:34,400 --> 00:03:37,320 Speaker 1: going on here? It just gets to some box with 69 00:03:37,440 --> 00:03:39,800 Speaker 1: the info kind of like the falling snow. All right, 70 00:03:40,720 --> 00:03:44,400 Speaker 1: that's because you like lasers too, I don't. Alright, coming 71 00:03:44,480 --> 00:03:46,520 Speaker 1: up on today's show, and and we all know there's 72 00:03:46,520 --> 00:03:48,720 Speaker 1: a lot of news to get to, um as there 73 00:03:48,760 --> 00:03:51,520 Speaker 1: always is this time of year. Uh, so we'll get 74 00:03:51,560 --> 00:03:54,560 Speaker 1: to that. We're gonna talk a little bit about a 75 00:03:54,680 --> 00:03:56,880 Speaker 1: think piece. I like to call it a real a 76 00:03:56,960 --> 00:04:00,520 Speaker 1: personal piece, Greg, I would even say out our our 77 00:04:00,560 --> 00:04:04,400 Speaker 1: resident journal Mark Sessler. He went to Ohio, of course, 78 00:04:04,880 --> 00:04:07,480 Speaker 1: last week or a week before that, or perhaps a 79 00:04:07,560 --> 00:04:10,640 Speaker 1: year ago, I don't remember anymore. Uh, spoke to the 80 00:04:10,640 --> 00:04:13,400 Speaker 1: head coach of the Cleveland Browns, wrote a high octane 81 00:04:13,520 --> 00:04:18,200 Speaker 1: feature about it entitled Believe Land. So we're gonna talk 82 00:04:18,200 --> 00:04:21,400 Speaker 1: about that. And I love Mark loves talking about himself, 83 00:04:21,400 --> 00:04:24,520 Speaker 1: So this could be difficult to do that. Yeah, I 84 00:04:24,560 --> 00:04:26,920 Speaker 1: mean he's a very humble man, almost to a fault. 85 00:04:27,120 --> 00:04:28,680 Speaker 1: But we're gonna get it out of you that you 86 00:04:28,680 --> 00:04:32,880 Speaker 1: wrote this, this excellent piece, all right side. And uh then, 87 00:04:33,160 --> 00:04:37,640 Speaker 1: of course, speaking of Mark Sessler, who's here, we have 88 00:04:38,120 --> 00:04:48,719 Speaker 1: part two of the Fantasy Extravaganza. It's a big moment 89 00:04:49,440 --> 00:04:53,559 Speaker 1: as the music cues us up part two and today 90 00:04:53,640 --> 00:04:56,920 Speaker 1: we will talk about the wide receivers. Uh so we're 91 00:04:56,920 --> 00:04:59,520 Speaker 1: gonna give our wide receivers as an entire show. It 92 00:04:59,600 --> 00:05:02,280 Speaker 1: can't we your fantasy league without some stud wide receivers. 93 00:05:02,279 --> 00:05:05,159 Speaker 1: So we got the icons of fantasy football, Greg Rosenthal 94 00:05:05,400 --> 00:05:08,800 Speaker 1: and Chris Westling here and of course the NFL media 95 00:05:08,880 --> 00:05:12,080 Speaker 1: fantasy outsider Mark Cecil will head back to his corner, 96 00:05:12,200 --> 00:05:16,479 Speaker 1: which will surely be disturbing but also potentially something that 97 00:05:16,520 --> 00:05:19,000 Speaker 1: we learned something people have been I saw last night 98 00:05:19,080 --> 00:05:22,880 Speaker 1: someone was tweeting their fantasy line up to to West 99 00:05:22,920 --> 00:05:26,080 Speaker 1: but also mistakenly to me. You don't want to do that, 100 00:05:26,160 --> 00:05:28,240 Speaker 1: You don't I I don't want to see that. You 101 00:05:28,279 --> 00:05:32,160 Speaker 1: can have West can answer that question, Well, you're an influencer. 102 00:05:32,279 --> 00:05:35,080 Speaker 1: I I looked at drafts, you know, since our lash 103 00:05:35,080 --> 00:05:37,480 Speaker 1: show no one is taking the ten players that you 104 00:05:37,520 --> 00:05:40,800 Speaker 1: said not unbelievable. Well, they're guaranteed, Buss, and I think 105 00:05:40,880 --> 00:05:42,880 Speaker 1: that people know when the message is real. So we'll 106 00:05:42,880 --> 00:05:46,320 Speaker 1: head back to the fantasy corner later today, but before 107 00:05:46,320 --> 00:05:48,200 Speaker 1: any of that, we do check behind the glass. Td 108 00:05:48,920 --> 00:05:52,760 Speaker 1: um not suspended for the laser beams. Uh. He spoke 109 00:05:53,160 --> 00:05:56,440 Speaker 1: with Roger Goodell. He was truthful, which you know, maybe 110 00:05:56,440 --> 00:05:59,039 Speaker 1: Tom Brady could take some notes, and because of that 111 00:05:59,120 --> 00:06:02,760 Speaker 1: he just got hit with a fine, heavy, fine, ustly 112 00:06:02,800 --> 00:06:04,680 Speaker 1: over a million dollars. Here's what it is. Guys, I 113 00:06:04,720 --> 00:06:08,960 Speaker 1: don't see why I'm taking the fall for this, your producer, Yeah, 114 00:06:09,000 --> 00:06:11,200 Speaker 1: but I mean we worked through things of the team, 115 00:06:11,480 --> 00:06:13,839 Speaker 1: the team atmosphere. You guys, you gotta start taking the 116 00:06:13,880 --> 00:06:16,080 Speaker 1: blame when you're when you're the boss, You're the boss 117 00:06:16,120 --> 00:06:18,479 Speaker 1: of that whole group back there. You just gotta like 118 00:06:19,440 --> 00:06:23,159 Speaker 1: bad body language from TV right now. You are a 119 00:06:23,200 --> 00:06:24,839 Speaker 1: lot of there's a lot of finger pointing going on, 120 00:06:24,920 --> 00:06:27,480 Speaker 1: and you are, guys, know, when you are the guy 121 00:06:27,600 --> 00:06:30,200 Speaker 1: behind the glass leading the crew, when you are driving 122 00:06:30,240 --> 00:06:33,479 Speaker 1: around the West coast of Los Angeles and a shiny 123 00:06:33,520 --> 00:06:37,240 Speaker 1: black sports car, you have to then take the heat 124 00:06:37,279 --> 00:06:39,520 Speaker 1: it's like the quarterback and all I'm saying is all 125 00:06:39,560 --> 00:06:43,520 Speaker 1: I'm saying is never let him see you sweat. But 126 00:06:43,560 --> 00:06:45,560 Speaker 1: we don't want to show cracks to the outside. There's 127 00:06:45,560 --> 00:06:48,240 Speaker 1: a lot of weak concept going on when it when 128 00:06:48,240 --> 00:06:51,480 Speaker 1: the ship is sinking. In fairness, you do have a 129 00:06:51,480 --> 00:06:58,920 Speaker 1: shadowy League figure directly behind you. Maybe he's I'm glad 130 00:06:58,960 --> 00:07:01,920 Speaker 1: you're still here though, and we believe in you despite 131 00:07:01,920 --> 00:07:05,560 Speaker 1: the lasers. Let's do some news. That's two sacks time 132 00:07:05,640 --> 00:07:12,200 Speaker 1: in the quarterback, O'Brien Cushing. Yes. Also, we'll talk a 133 00:07:12,240 --> 00:07:15,400 Speaker 1: little later about hard knocks of course, Brian Cushing with 134 00:07:15,440 --> 00:07:20,040 Speaker 1: his big star turn as everyone's favorite eighties bully. Um, 135 00:07:20,120 --> 00:07:24,160 Speaker 1: we'll start with uh. Injury news that came came to 136 00:07:24,320 --> 00:07:29,480 Speaker 1: light on Tuesday and Wednesday, Lashawn McCoy of the Buffalo Bills. 137 00:07:29,560 --> 00:07:33,320 Speaker 1: They obviously have a big role in store for Lashawn McCoy. 138 00:07:33,360 --> 00:07:36,280 Speaker 1: They want him to carry that offense. Uh. He suffered 139 00:07:36,680 --> 00:07:40,160 Speaker 1: a strained hamstring or a hamstring injury of some kind 140 00:07:40,200 --> 00:07:44,120 Speaker 1: of practice on Tuesday. UM NFL media insider Ian Rappaport 141 00:07:44,400 --> 00:07:47,840 Speaker 1: said the mri I results showed that it's an injury 142 00:07:47,880 --> 00:07:49,880 Speaker 1: that they believe is not too serious and he could 143 00:07:49,920 --> 00:07:52,160 Speaker 1: be back in time for the regular season, or should 144 00:07:52,200 --> 00:07:54,960 Speaker 1: be back for the regular season. But still, Greg Rosenthal, 145 00:07:55,280 --> 00:07:57,240 Speaker 1: not a good sign for a Bills team that needs 146 00:07:57,240 --> 00:07:58,960 Speaker 1: this guy to be a workhorse. Give me the list 147 00:07:59,000 --> 00:08:00,800 Speaker 1: of guys who aren't expect to be back for a 148 00:08:00,800 --> 00:08:03,440 Speaker 1: week one. Everyone's always expected back for a week one 149 00:08:03,480 --> 00:08:05,800 Speaker 1: whenever they get hurt in training camp, just like everyone 150 00:08:06,120 --> 00:08:08,119 Speaker 1: hurt in the off season is expected to be ready 151 00:08:08,120 --> 00:08:10,679 Speaker 1: for training camp, and then there no one. They're not ready, 152 00:08:10,840 --> 00:08:12,560 Speaker 1: and no one really ever notices. So I don't know, 153 00:08:12,760 --> 00:08:14,240 Speaker 1: you know it's a hamstring or do they have no 154 00:08:14,320 --> 00:08:16,120 Speaker 1: idea if he's got to be ready? That was my 155 00:08:16,320 --> 00:08:18,800 Speaker 1: thought too. I look, particularly a Skans at this report. 156 00:08:19,200 --> 00:08:22,520 Speaker 1: I mean, I'm sure report said it, but what did 157 00:08:22,520 --> 00:08:27,120 Speaker 1: you say, Look, RAPPI cans scans with suspicion, you were 158 00:08:27,160 --> 00:08:30,200 Speaker 1: caught off guard. Well, since when are since winter hamstring 159 00:08:30,200 --> 00:08:33,040 Speaker 1: injuries predictable? Since when do they have a finite timetable? 160 00:08:33,559 --> 00:08:35,600 Speaker 1: And then since when have the Bills have any good 161 00:08:35,600 --> 00:08:38,840 Speaker 1: injury luck at this position? Right now as we're talking, 162 00:08:38,920 --> 00:08:42,559 Speaker 1: they are missing their top five running backs. Fred hamstring, 163 00:08:42,840 --> 00:08:48,640 Speaker 1: I mean Fred Jackson string called Fred hamstring, Bryce Brown, 164 00:08:48,760 --> 00:08:52,800 Speaker 1: Booby Thick, Carlos Williams has a mysterious illness in a 165 00:08:52,840 --> 00:08:55,280 Speaker 1: procedure that's private. He's out for a couple of weeks. 166 00:08:55,360 --> 00:08:59,400 Speaker 1: Got Ricky Seal and Bronson Hill running the ball for 167 00:08:59,440 --> 00:09:02,480 Speaker 1: buff Will get the pop star Seal he have him 168 00:09:02,520 --> 00:09:05,320 Speaker 1: go through Hill sounds like a seventies soft rock group. 169 00:09:05,400 --> 00:09:07,600 Speaker 1: I saw those names, probably better on Bronson Hill, and 170 00:09:07,640 --> 00:09:10,880 Speaker 1: I wondered if Mark Sessler had just made them up. Well, 171 00:09:10,920 --> 00:09:13,319 Speaker 1: I mean, it's crazy, they're just making up names like Cessler. 172 00:09:13,480 --> 00:09:15,480 Speaker 1: I mean, it's every one of them are hurt. And 173 00:09:15,520 --> 00:09:18,360 Speaker 1: I agree. I mean, you know that's Ian's information, so 174 00:09:18,400 --> 00:09:20,080 Speaker 1: you want to roll with it for now. But it's like, 175 00:09:20,760 --> 00:09:22,960 Speaker 1: how do they know with a hamstring injury at the time, 176 00:09:23,200 --> 00:09:26,000 Speaker 1: they recur more suspicious about Ian's reporting than I am 177 00:09:26,040 --> 00:09:29,679 Speaker 1: about his hair color. No, it's not. The source is 178 00:09:29,720 --> 00:09:31,559 Speaker 1: selling him a bill of goods. You know, Well, it's 179 00:09:32,280 --> 00:09:36,120 Speaker 1: these injuries are notorious for, like you said, reoccurring. Who 180 00:09:36,120 --> 00:09:38,440 Speaker 1: knows when he could have a set back tomorrow. And 181 00:09:38,559 --> 00:09:41,440 Speaker 1: by the way, that's not even the only injury. The 182 00:09:41,480 --> 00:09:44,480 Speaker 1: major injury the Bills are dealing with Percy Harvin his hip. 183 00:09:44,520 --> 00:09:47,000 Speaker 1: We've He's had hip issues in the past, has some 184 00:09:47,200 --> 00:09:51,840 Speaker 1: soreness that Rex Ryan disclosed has quote never really responded. 185 00:09:51,880 --> 00:09:54,120 Speaker 1: So he's getting a p RP injection, which is the 186 00:09:54,160 --> 00:09:57,200 Speaker 1: platelet rich plasma, hoping that it responds and he's able 187 00:09:57,240 --> 00:09:59,119 Speaker 1: to get on the field before the end of the preseason. 188 00:09:59,360 --> 00:10:02,240 Speaker 1: What you'd don't want to hear anything about Percy Harvin 189 00:10:02,280 --> 00:10:04,439 Speaker 1: and hip at this stage of the season. So you 190 00:10:04,480 --> 00:10:06,800 Speaker 1: don't know what's going on with Percy Harvin. Who knows 191 00:10:06,800 --> 00:10:08,800 Speaker 1: this could end up being Percy Harvin out ten to 192 00:10:08,840 --> 00:10:12,200 Speaker 1: twelve weeks. You don't know when Leshaw McCoy is gonna 193 00:10:12,200 --> 00:10:14,800 Speaker 1: be healthy. I know that Tyrod Taylor hype train is 194 00:10:14,880 --> 00:10:17,680 Speaker 1: rolling right now, but jeez, they need these guys. I 195 00:10:17,720 --> 00:10:21,360 Speaker 1: think in that practice yesterday, like fifteen guys were out 196 00:10:21,400 --> 00:10:25,240 Speaker 1: with hamstring and other soft It's like soft tissue summer. 197 00:10:25,520 --> 00:10:27,320 Speaker 1: I mean, you can't get there's so many of these 198 00:10:27,320 --> 00:10:32,080 Speaker 1: injuries around the I think there's like a guy with 199 00:10:32,120 --> 00:10:34,800 Speaker 1: a virtual reality mask and several of the scenes if 200 00:10:34,840 --> 00:10:37,080 Speaker 1: they went out and spurged on this high end performance 201 00:10:37,120 --> 00:10:39,400 Speaker 1: car like they were t d and then and it's 202 00:10:39,400 --> 00:10:42,960 Speaker 1: in the shop right now. Well, McCoy in general has 203 00:10:43,000 --> 00:10:46,960 Speaker 1: been durable. But consider me unshocked that things aren't just 204 00:10:47,040 --> 00:10:49,640 Speaker 1: going along smoothly for Percy Harvin When you say, when 205 00:10:49,679 --> 00:10:52,679 Speaker 1: was the last time anything happened smoothly for Percy Harvon? 206 00:10:52,760 --> 00:10:57,839 Speaker 1: Injuries or off the j Yeah, that's my car also 207 00:10:57,840 --> 00:11:00,240 Speaker 1: expected to be ready for a week one. Is there 208 00:11:00,240 --> 00:11:04,559 Speaker 1: an issue with it? It's perfect, it looks perfect. It's 209 00:11:04,600 --> 00:11:07,240 Speaker 1: like in uh, like Breaking Bad where all of a sudden, 210 00:11:07,280 --> 00:11:09,760 Speaker 1: Walter White showed up with a brand new, like pimped 211 00:11:09,760 --> 00:11:12,400 Speaker 1: out Dodge charger and the wife was like, you can't 212 00:11:12,400 --> 00:11:14,600 Speaker 1: do that. It's clearly makes it look like you're doing 213 00:11:14,640 --> 00:11:17,080 Speaker 1: something illegal. What's going on behind this? What are you 214 00:11:17,120 --> 00:11:23,440 Speaker 1: accusing TD of maybe dealing meth? Maybe just throwing that 215 00:11:23,440 --> 00:11:26,679 Speaker 1: out there. Uh. In other injury news, that Carolina Panthers 216 00:11:26,679 --> 00:11:29,439 Speaker 1: are expecting a lot from Kelvin Benjamin, their second year 217 00:11:29,480 --> 00:11:32,640 Speaker 1: wide receiver. Uh. He suffered a nice brain and practice 218 00:11:32,640 --> 00:11:36,320 Speaker 1: on Wednesday was taken off the field. Uh, you know 219 00:11:36,360 --> 00:11:38,520 Speaker 1: a lot. Obviously, whenever something like this happens, your first 220 00:11:38,520 --> 00:11:41,280 Speaker 1: concern is this an a c L injury Right now? 221 00:11:41,880 --> 00:11:45,200 Speaker 1: That's unclear, but they believe that an m R I 222 00:11:45,320 --> 00:11:46,920 Speaker 1: is coming up. They're gonna find out whether or not 223 00:11:47,520 --> 00:11:49,640 Speaker 1: h Benjamin is gonna be at a significant amount of time. 224 00:11:49,679 --> 00:11:52,160 Speaker 1: But this is another injury to keep tabs on because 225 00:11:52,200 --> 00:11:55,240 Speaker 1: the Panthers need Benjamin to step up this year as well. 226 00:11:55,360 --> 00:11:59,559 Speaker 1: And they also lost delve Devin Funchius in practice today 227 00:11:59,600 --> 00:12:02,880 Speaker 1: to a amstring injury. I'm just seeing as we came up, 228 00:12:02,880 --> 00:12:04,760 Speaker 1: so that I mean Kevin Benjamin was a guy we're 229 00:12:04,760 --> 00:12:07,800 Speaker 1: doing the fantasy overvalued undervalued later and I wanted to 230 00:12:07,840 --> 00:12:11,360 Speaker 1: pick an overvalued guy in the top twenty receivers. Kevin Benjamin, 231 00:12:11,400 --> 00:12:14,800 Speaker 1: even though it's West's boy, was one guy I considered strongly, 232 00:12:15,120 --> 00:12:17,960 Speaker 1: just because coming off of his season, I could see 233 00:12:18,000 --> 00:12:19,880 Speaker 1: him making a little more mental mistakes. It's not a 234 00:12:19,880 --> 00:12:22,120 Speaker 1: great passing attack. He's getting taken in the third round, 235 00:12:22,160 --> 00:12:23,680 Speaker 1: and now this is a red flag for him to 236 00:12:23,679 --> 00:12:27,120 Speaker 1: start his year. If you listed the order of importance 237 00:12:27,160 --> 00:12:29,320 Speaker 1: on the Panthers roster, he's in the top five. They 238 00:12:29,360 --> 00:12:32,000 Speaker 1: can't afford to lose him for an extended period. He 239 00:12:32,080 --> 00:12:36,720 Speaker 1: was beating number one cornerbacks like Jimmy Smith, like True 240 00:12:36,720 --> 00:12:41,880 Speaker 1: Font Brievous Sherman as a rookie, routinely beating these guys 241 00:12:41,920 --> 00:12:44,240 Speaker 1: they can't afford to lose him. I mean, we had 242 00:12:44,400 --> 00:12:48,160 Speaker 1: Benjamin the top our rookie rankings at mid season. Is 243 00:12:48,200 --> 00:12:50,760 Speaker 1: one of the best wide receivers before Beckham and some 244 00:12:50,840 --> 00:12:53,280 Speaker 1: of the others really came on he right away. I 245 00:12:53,280 --> 00:12:55,720 Speaker 1: thought he played very well and and saved that passing 246 00:12:55,720 --> 00:12:58,640 Speaker 1: attack last year you got nothing behind him and functious 247 00:12:58,679 --> 00:13:01,040 Speaker 1: if they're not in even get their path. The attack 248 00:13:01,120 --> 00:13:03,400 Speaker 1: was pretty poor last year. And if if fun just 249 00:13:03,559 --> 00:13:04,959 Speaker 1: I mean it's supposed to be just a few days 250 00:13:04,960 --> 00:13:07,120 Speaker 1: for him. It's a hamstring injury, but again you never know. 251 00:13:07,440 --> 00:13:09,360 Speaker 1: And Benjamin, I mean, he's part of the best rookie 252 00:13:09,400 --> 00:13:12,320 Speaker 1: wide receiver class in history, only class ever to have 253 00:13:12,400 --> 00:13:15,280 Speaker 1: three thousand yard receivers and that didn't even include Sammy Watkins. 254 00:13:15,480 --> 00:13:18,720 Speaker 1: So those are injuries to keep an eye on on Charlotte. 255 00:13:19,240 --> 00:13:23,560 Speaker 1: Moving on to Arizona, where the Cardinals um added a 256 00:13:23,760 --> 00:13:26,160 Speaker 1: running back to their depth chart today, a very famous 257 00:13:26,240 --> 00:13:29,840 Speaker 1: running back, UH Chris Johnson, formerly known as c J 258 00:13:30,320 --> 00:13:34,200 Speaker 1: two k Um. Bruce Arians said that uh c J 259 00:13:34,280 --> 00:13:36,640 Speaker 1: two K will where the artist formerly known as c 260 00:13:36,760 --> 00:13:39,920 Speaker 1: J two K I was expected to quote compete for 261 00:13:39,960 --> 00:13:42,280 Speaker 1: a starting role, which I don't know West. That doesn't 262 00:13:42,440 --> 00:13:44,839 Speaker 1: make me too confident about Andre Ellington. When they're bringing 263 00:13:44,920 --> 00:13:47,559 Speaker 1: up bringing in, washed up Chris Johnson off the street, 264 00:13:47,679 --> 00:13:50,720 Speaker 1: don't read anything into that. This as Bruce Arians saying, 265 00:13:51,520 --> 00:13:54,320 Speaker 1: Chris Johnson basically controls his fate here. He could play 266 00:13:54,400 --> 00:13:57,920 Speaker 1: himself off the roster, or if he looks like why 267 00:13:58,040 --> 00:14:00,760 Speaker 1: c J two k two thousand yard Christian Hunson, by 268 00:14:00,800 --> 00:14:03,160 Speaker 1: some miracle, he would get the starting job. I mean, 269 00:14:03,160 --> 00:14:06,760 Speaker 1: coaches talk about they talk about competing and to the 270 00:14:06,760 --> 00:14:08,679 Speaker 1: point where it gets tiresome for us to here, But 271 00:14:08,760 --> 00:14:10,120 Speaker 1: that's what they want. You're not gonna come in and 272 00:14:10,160 --> 00:14:12,559 Speaker 1: announce a pecking order. He basically said, we don't do 273 00:14:13,080 --> 00:14:15,560 Speaker 1: our final depth chart until everything's wrapped up and you're 274 00:14:15,600 --> 00:14:18,480 Speaker 1: heading into week one. Chris Johnson has to play differently 275 00:14:18,520 --> 00:14:20,600 Speaker 1: than he did last season to become a starting running 276 00:14:20,600 --> 00:14:23,040 Speaker 1: back in Arizona. That sounds nice, but Ellington has been 277 00:14:23,080 --> 00:14:25,040 Speaker 1: there for two and a half years. He knows the offense. 278 00:14:25,680 --> 00:14:28,800 Speaker 1: It would be a stunning uh mistake, not maybe not 279 00:14:28,840 --> 00:14:31,240 Speaker 1: a mistake, but a stunning collapse if Chris Johnson in 280 00:14:31,280 --> 00:14:32,720 Speaker 1: two weeks can beat him out. Yeah, but did you 281 00:14:32,760 --> 00:14:35,040 Speaker 1: see Ellington as didn't we learned last year? What was 282 00:14:35,040 --> 00:14:37,080 Speaker 1: he three point three yards per carry? He's not your 283 00:14:37,120 --> 00:14:40,520 Speaker 1: featured back either. They're gonna have to use the rookie 284 00:14:40,600 --> 00:14:43,000 Speaker 1: David Johnson as well, who was also hurt right now 285 00:14:43,080 --> 00:14:47,720 Speaker 1: making leave Graveyard of two? Wasn't that bad? And Chris 286 00:14:47,760 --> 00:14:50,880 Speaker 1: Johnson defense, I've been about as critical of him as anyone. 287 00:14:51,400 --> 00:14:53,480 Speaker 1: His numbers weren't bad that last year. I mean, he's 288 00:14:53,520 --> 00:14:56,400 Speaker 1: a very big, boomer bust guy. But he did catch 289 00:14:56,440 --> 00:14:59,320 Speaker 1: twenty four passes four point three yards. Because it's not 290 00:14:59,360 --> 00:15:03,040 Speaker 1: the worst down numbers. He had two good he had 291 00:15:03,080 --> 00:15:04,920 Speaker 1: two really good games. I remember the Rams game he 292 00:15:04,920 --> 00:15:06,560 Speaker 1: played really well, and then there was one later in 293 00:15:06,600 --> 00:15:08,800 Speaker 1: the season he played well. But other than that, he 294 00:15:08,920 --> 00:15:10,360 Speaker 1: was I mean, it was a lost. It was the 295 00:15:10,400 --> 00:15:12,120 Speaker 1: same guy we've been talking about for a couple of years, 296 00:15:12,160 --> 00:15:14,360 Speaker 1: where he doesn't hit the whole hard, doesn't seem to 297 00:15:14,360 --> 00:15:16,520 Speaker 1: have the same type of lateral movement and speed that 298 00:15:16,560 --> 00:15:18,880 Speaker 1: he once did. He's now basically just another guy. I 299 00:15:18,920 --> 00:15:21,280 Speaker 1: love Arians, but he called Johnson a home run on 300 00:15:21,320 --> 00:15:23,520 Speaker 1: every plate and now, come on, not in Once upon 301 00:15:23,560 --> 00:15:26,720 Speaker 1: a Time, Bruce Arians the quote that made me laugh, 302 00:15:26,720 --> 00:15:28,880 Speaker 1: although it was, you know, a little dark Uh. They 303 00:15:28,920 --> 00:15:32,440 Speaker 1: asked about Arians team, about Johnson's team physical, there was 304 00:15:32,520 --> 00:15:35,840 Speaker 1: nothing except for a bullet in his trap referring to 305 00:15:35,880 --> 00:15:38,240 Speaker 1: of course, Chris John's good that we can laugh about. God, Yeah, 306 00:15:38,440 --> 00:15:41,280 Speaker 1: I'm not gonna laugh, but it's you know, Bruce Arians 307 00:15:41,320 --> 00:15:43,560 Speaker 1: is probably the only coach that's gonna drop that little line. 308 00:15:44,200 --> 00:15:47,920 Speaker 1: Moving on, Eli Manning, the New York Giants quarterback uh 309 00:15:48,160 --> 00:15:51,600 Speaker 1: is up for a contract after this season. His people 310 00:15:51,640 --> 00:15:54,160 Speaker 1: behind the scenes are pushing hard for a deal that 311 00:15:54,200 --> 00:15:58,320 Speaker 1: could make Manning the highest paid player in the NFL. 312 00:15:58,520 --> 00:16:01,600 Speaker 1: NFL media Inside of Ian Rap report reported Monday that 313 00:16:01,680 --> 00:16:03,600 Speaker 1: the Giants are hoping to sign Manning to a Neil 314 00:16:03,760 --> 00:16:06,040 Speaker 1: New deal by the start of the season, but a 315 00:16:06,160 --> 00:16:09,880 Speaker 1: quote significant gap remains in negotiations. Now, I am not 316 00:16:09,920 --> 00:16:12,400 Speaker 1: a Giants fan and not an Eli fan, but I 317 00:16:12,440 --> 00:16:14,440 Speaker 1: can see why his people are pushing for this deal 318 00:16:14,480 --> 00:16:16,280 Speaker 1: because they think they can get it from a Giants 319 00:16:16,600 --> 00:16:19,240 Speaker 1: team that's loyal to their franchise star and two times 320 00:16:19,240 --> 00:16:21,560 Speaker 1: Super Bowl winner. But it's hard to imagine I'm getting 321 00:16:21,640 --> 00:16:24,560 Speaker 1: paid more than Aaron Rodgers and eventually Andrew Luck and 322 00:16:24,640 --> 00:16:27,440 Speaker 1: Russell Wilson and all that. I think the easy responses 323 00:16:27,480 --> 00:16:29,560 Speaker 1: to say that's laughable, that of course he's not better 324 00:16:29,560 --> 00:16:32,280 Speaker 1: than Aaron Rodgers. But there's a few factors involved here. 325 00:16:32,280 --> 00:16:34,720 Speaker 1: The salary cap has gone up ten million a year 326 00:16:34,720 --> 00:16:37,640 Speaker 1: over the last two years, and I think his agent 327 00:16:37,680 --> 00:16:40,040 Speaker 1: has come out and said that Eli is uniquely qualified 328 00:16:40,080 --> 00:16:42,960 Speaker 1: to be the Giants quarterback because he's so unflappable in 329 00:16:43,000 --> 00:16:45,480 Speaker 1: the face of the media. Those are two factors. It's 330 00:16:45,520 --> 00:16:49,040 Speaker 1: still it's still kind of I think they're just throwing 331 00:16:49,040 --> 00:16:52,600 Speaker 1: out their opening kind of bid here in in the negotiations. 332 00:16:52,760 --> 00:16:55,640 Speaker 1: I don't expect him flappable in the face of them. 333 00:16:55,680 --> 00:16:59,240 Speaker 1: If being boring was grounds for being the highest paid 334 00:16:59,320 --> 00:17:01,920 Speaker 1: quarterback in the lee, Carson Palmer would be a million 335 00:17:01,920 --> 00:17:04,720 Speaker 1: dollars a year. I mean, I'm just saying it is 336 00:17:04,920 --> 00:17:07,199 Speaker 1: that's not even your hottest take of the week on 337 00:17:07,320 --> 00:17:09,480 Speaker 1: Eli Manning. What what was it that he shouldn't even 338 00:17:09,480 --> 00:17:11,520 Speaker 1: be the highest paid player on the Giants. Odell Beckham 339 00:17:11,560 --> 00:17:13,359 Speaker 1: is a better player. I mean, why would he be 340 00:17:13,440 --> 00:17:16,240 Speaker 1: paying a guy at the end of his career who's 341 00:17:16,440 --> 00:17:19,560 Speaker 1: really rarely been a top ten quarterback to be the 342 00:17:19,640 --> 00:17:22,800 Speaker 1: number one quarter Is he one of the top ten quarterbacks? 343 00:17:23,119 --> 00:17:25,480 Speaker 1: I think part of it the entire league. No one's 344 00:17:25,520 --> 00:17:27,679 Speaker 1: saying that, but the entire league is catching up to 345 00:17:27,720 --> 00:17:29,800 Speaker 1: what quarterbacks should get paid. Look at you moving the 346 00:17:29,800 --> 00:17:32,240 Speaker 1: goal post to on. What's the end of a quarterback's career? 347 00:17:32,440 --> 00:17:34,560 Speaker 1: Tom Brady thirty eight years old. Oh, he can go 348 00:17:34,600 --> 00:17:37,480 Speaker 1: on and forever. Eli Manning thirty three. Oh, he's near 349 00:17:37,520 --> 00:17:42,880 Speaker 1: the end. It's time to pack up the suitcase. One 350 00:17:42,920 --> 00:17:45,000 Speaker 1: is Eli Manning and the other time Brady was Yeah, 351 00:17:45,040 --> 00:17:46,880 Speaker 1: one of his two Super Bowl wins, and one has 352 00:17:46,920 --> 00:17:49,800 Speaker 1: never missed the start. And his Peyton Manning's brother. There's 353 00:17:49,800 --> 00:17:53,639 Speaker 1: some high DNA there, and I think we have to 354 00:17:53,640 --> 00:17:55,600 Speaker 1: give up on the Peyton's Manning brother. But you don't. 355 00:17:55,680 --> 00:17:58,520 Speaker 1: He hasn't. He's right, he's played a full decade. I mean, 356 00:17:58,520 --> 00:18:00,320 Speaker 1: you don't find those guys. And so we your New 357 00:18:00,359 --> 00:18:01,680 Speaker 1: York and say, all right, we don't want to pay 358 00:18:01,760 --> 00:18:03,280 Speaker 1: him in you know what, what's the difference gonna be 359 00:18:03,280 --> 00:18:05,879 Speaker 1: your a couple of million dollars to make it everyone happy. 360 00:18:06,080 --> 00:18:08,119 Speaker 1: So we don't pay him, and we have Ryan nassas 361 00:18:08,119 --> 00:18:10,399 Speaker 1: our quarterback. Have a nice decade and a half in 362 00:18:10,400 --> 00:18:12,479 Speaker 1: New York City. Will it'll get done? But you know 363 00:18:12,720 --> 00:18:14,680 Speaker 1: he wants to be the highest paid quarterback. That's great. 364 00:18:14,680 --> 00:18:18,080 Speaker 1: I want to be the highest paid NFL media employee. Well, 365 00:18:18,080 --> 00:18:20,080 Speaker 1: it ain't happen an either. Eli is not a top 366 00:18:20,119 --> 00:18:23,440 Speaker 1: ten quarterback. It's probably top twelve in my opinion. But listen, 367 00:18:23,440 --> 00:18:25,080 Speaker 1: we know where this is coming from. Greg. We always 368 00:18:25,160 --> 00:18:27,480 Speaker 1: know West doesn't like Eli as a player. And it's 369 00:18:27,520 --> 00:18:30,760 Speaker 1: not personal. Um, maybe a little person. We will never 370 00:18:30,800 --> 00:18:32,200 Speaker 1: go to the Hall of Fame if he gets But 371 00:18:32,320 --> 00:18:35,000 Speaker 1: with two of the worst moments in your entire life 372 00:18:35,119 --> 00:18:39,840 Speaker 1: or engineered of my entire life, I get it. The 373 00:18:39,840 --> 00:18:43,639 Speaker 1: Patriots aren't that important, Eli Manning. Let it. You can 374 00:18:43,640 --> 00:18:45,960 Speaker 1: go back in the NBC Sports dot com archives. I 375 00:18:45,960 --> 00:18:47,960 Speaker 1: wrote a glowing piece of Eli Manning in that two 376 00:18:47,960 --> 00:18:50,600 Speaker 1: thousand and eleven playoffs. He was incredible. But that comes 377 00:18:50,680 --> 00:18:54,840 Speaker 1: up every month every six or seven years. Your your value, 378 00:18:55,000 --> 00:18:56,840 Speaker 1: if you want to talk about winds and Super Bowls, 379 00:18:56,880 --> 00:18:59,520 Speaker 1: your value is what you do over sixteen games. And 380 00:18:59,560 --> 00:19:01,840 Speaker 1: Eli and shown what he's gonna do. He's gonna be fine, 381 00:19:02,040 --> 00:19:03,640 Speaker 1: and he's gonna get you eight or nine wins. We'll 382 00:19:03,640 --> 00:19:05,600 Speaker 1: get to you to the playoffs once every six years. 383 00:19:05,680 --> 00:19:08,960 Speaker 1: That's great. Maybe you'll get one more. Greg ready to 384 00:19:09,040 --> 00:19:11,239 Speaker 1: check Eli into the old agent and feed him from 385 00:19:11,240 --> 00:19:19,760 Speaker 1: tap Yoka Ulun were free agent? All right, uh and 386 00:19:19,880 --> 00:19:23,400 Speaker 1: other news. Hard Knocks aired its second episode on Tuesday 387 00:19:23,440 --> 00:19:28,800 Speaker 1: on HBO, of course, profiling the Houston Texans. And this 388 00:19:28,800 --> 00:19:31,639 Speaker 1: this episode another very good episode. By the way, it's 389 00:19:31,640 --> 00:19:36,440 Speaker 1: blowing away the Atlanta Falcon season of two of the 390 00:19:36,480 --> 00:19:39,679 Speaker 1: best Hard Knocks. It could be special, um and Brian 391 00:19:39,720 --> 00:19:42,159 Speaker 1: Cushing to me, I wrote the recap, of course, what 392 00:19:42,280 --> 00:19:45,119 Speaker 1: you can find on the website, um I said this 393 00:19:45,200 --> 00:19:47,800 Speaker 1: is this was his big star turn episode, a very 394 00:19:47,800 --> 00:19:50,240 Speaker 1: compelling bully. And what I like about him is that 395 00:19:50,240 --> 00:19:53,680 Speaker 1: he owns it clearly. He's he doesn't mind coming off 396 00:19:53,960 --> 00:19:56,199 Speaker 1: is kind of a jerk. Um I wrote in the 397 00:19:56,240 --> 00:19:59,520 Speaker 1: piece that he's almost like an evolutionary Bill Romanowski, where 398 00:19:59,520 --> 00:20:01,919 Speaker 1: he likes to be seen as someone that you know, 399 00:20:02,040 --> 00:20:05,520 Speaker 1: picks on people, and you know, for Brian Cushing, Uh, 400 00:20:05,600 --> 00:20:08,119 Speaker 1: it seems like maybe a little bit more than an act, right, 401 00:20:08,160 --> 00:20:10,520 Speaker 1: it seems like that that's really who he is. Well, 402 00:20:10,520 --> 00:20:13,440 Speaker 1: it's great when someone turns out to be exactly what 403 00:20:13,480 --> 00:20:16,800 Speaker 1: you expected Brian Cushing to be. I mean, Damna check 404 00:20:16,880 --> 00:20:20,320 Speaker 1: pointed up point, comparing him to an eighties bully Biff Henderson. 405 00:20:20,480 --> 00:20:23,080 Speaker 1: I believe it was was one of them. And I 406 00:20:23,119 --> 00:20:25,240 Speaker 1: mean he does own it. I mean he's just being 407 00:20:25,240 --> 00:20:27,800 Speaker 1: such a jerk like knocking everyone right after the play. 408 00:20:28,160 --> 00:20:30,960 Speaker 1: It's like I didn't mean it, No I did. And 409 00:20:30,960 --> 00:20:33,520 Speaker 1: then the most obnoxious thing was him going around his 410 00:20:33,520 --> 00:20:36,800 Speaker 1: neighborhood on the little scooter pushing his kids around. I 411 00:20:36,800 --> 00:20:39,160 Speaker 1: don't remember that. That was the part that like the well, 412 00:20:39,240 --> 00:20:41,040 Speaker 1: that was h and I and I wrote in the 413 00:20:41,040 --> 00:20:43,280 Speaker 1: piece that I didn't quite like they try to all right, 414 00:20:43,280 --> 00:20:45,159 Speaker 1: now we got to get the other side of Brian Cushing. 415 00:20:45,240 --> 00:20:46,680 Speaker 1: It's like, don't show me the other side. I don't 416 00:20:46,680 --> 00:20:48,160 Speaker 1: need to see the other side. Just you know, live 417 00:20:48,200 --> 00:20:50,439 Speaker 1: with it. I like this narrative pushing. And you know 418 00:20:50,520 --> 00:20:53,359 Speaker 1: the biggest part of the episode with Cushing was his 419 00:20:53,480 --> 00:20:56,879 Speaker 1: encounter with poor Alfred Blue. Uh. He just wants America 420 00:20:56,920 --> 00:20:59,520 Speaker 1: to take him seriously as a real starting running back 421 00:20:59,760 --> 00:21:03,439 Speaker 1: and Cushing just dominates him in one on one blocking drills. 422 00:21:03,480 --> 00:21:08,919 Speaker 1: And then after he pile drives I know, I'm sorry 423 00:21:08,920 --> 00:21:13,040 Speaker 1: this guy. Go on. After he pile drives Alfred Blue 424 00:21:13,119 --> 00:21:16,200 Speaker 1: into a tackling dummy, he has this to say that 425 00:21:16,280 --> 00:21:19,040 Speaker 1: Jadeveon Clowney, who didn't ask to be in the conversation her. 426 00:21:19,040 --> 00:21:20,399 Speaker 1: First of all, you're not gonna block me. Second of all, 427 00:21:20,440 --> 00:21:22,680 Speaker 1: you don't want to fight me. Third of a man, 428 00:21:23,920 --> 00:21:26,240 Speaker 1: this guy looks like the way he just looks on 429 00:21:26,320 --> 00:21:28,360 Speaker 1: his face and that clip they just showed, it just 430 00:21:28,400 --> 00:21:31,880 Speaker 1: looks like every evil frat boy that you've ever encountered 431 00:21:31,880 --> 00:21:33,879 Speaker 1: in your life. Isn't it great? Though, it's good to 432 00:21:33,880 --> 00:21:38,639 Speaker 1: have hard knocks, it's perfect. I've had teammates like that 433 00:21:38,720 --> 00:21:42,080 Speaker 1: in sports, and they're relatively harmless as long as they 434 00:21:42,119 --> 00:21:44,600 Speaker 1: aren't the leader on the team, as long as you're 435 00:21:44,640 --> 00:21:46,520 Speaker 1: somebody on the team who can put them in their place. 436 00:21:46,760 --> 00:21:49,960 Speaker 1: So true, you if you've everybody that's played organized sports 437 00:21:49,960 --> 00:21:52,040 Speaker 1: has had that guy that he's a little bigger, he's 438 00:21:52,080 --> 00:21:55,359 Speaker 1: a little stronger um and if you don't get out 439 00:21:55,359 --> 00:21:57,280 Speaker 1: of his bad side, you're fine with him. But there 440 00:21:57,320 --> 00:21:59,280 Speaker 1: if you're one of those three or four guys, he 441 00:21:59,320 --> 00:22:01,360 Speaker 1: will be relent list with you. So you just don't 442 00:22:01,359 --> 00:22:02,960 Speaker 1: want to be one of those three or four. Wait, 443 00:22:03,000 --> 00:22:05,240 Speaker 1: what what was the thing that he compared to be? 444 00:22:05,600 --> 00:22:08,000 Speaker 1: He basically called out someone for being feminine, But it 445 00:22:08,040 --> 00:22:11,600 Speaker 1: was like the least feminine thing ever, well he was. 446 00:22:11,720 --> 00:22:15,080 Speaker 1: It was about Latte or whatever ye have the here's 447 00:22:15,080 --> 00:22:18,480 Speaker 1: the transcript DeAndre Hopkins and by the way, is awesome. 448 00:22:18,520 --> 00:22:20,639 Speaker 1: At one point he talked about how he wanted to 449 00:22:20,640 --> 00:22:22,800 Speaker 1: get a Yorkie for his man. Don't even get me 450 00:22:22,840 --> 00:22:25,560 Speaker 1: started to take it to the club. He's having some fun. 451 00:22:25,800 --> 00:22:27,920 Speaker 1: He's funny. I don't think that's fun. You don't buy 452 00:22:27,920 --> 00:22:29,600 Speaker 1: a dog so you can put it in a purse. 453 00:22:31,000 --> 00:22:34,000 Speaker 1: But but he was really enjoyed. Does strike at I 454 00:22:34,040 --> 00:22:35,560 Speaker 1: like that? He was like, guys, would you judge me? 455 00:22:35,600 --> 00:22:37,359 Speaker 1: If I got my dog in the club? He should 456 00:22:37,359 --> 00:22:39,760 Speaker 1: strike out anybody and the guys who cares about dogs. 457 00:22:39,800 --> 00:22:41,960 Speaker 1: That's not what it dogs for to be cool. His 458 00:22:43,240 --> 00:22:45,720 Speaker 1: teammate said, I would delete your number. But here's the 459 00:22:45,760 --> 00:22:49,800 Speaker 1: interaction between Hopkins and Cushing. Do you drink Latte's, Hopkins asked, 460 00:22:50,080 --> 00:22:52,200 Speaker 1: and then Cushing said, I don't even go to Starbucks. 461 00:22:52,400 --> 00:22:54,920 Speaker 1: Then Hopkins says, it's great, bro. The cousin goes, I 462 00:22:55,000 --> 00:22:57,320 Speaker 1: mean I used to, And then I realized that wasn't 463 00:22:57,320 --> 00:23:00,000 Speaker 1: a chick who says that. Well, there are all these people, 464 00:23:00,119 --> 00:23:03,879 Speaker 1: sweet script, all these people were tweeting out images of 465 00:23:03,920 --> 00:23:06,800 Speaker 1: their own like Starbucks coffees this morning, saying they felt that, 466 00:23:06,840 --> 00:23:10,280 Speaker 1: you know, some some distant heat from this guy from Cushing. 467 00:23:10,560 --> 00:23:12,359 Speaker 1: I want. I didn't get to see it because you know, 468 00:23:12,560 --> 00:23:15,360 Speaker 1: hi v HBO go and it wasn't on there last night. 469 00:23:15,400 --> 00:23:17,439 Speaker 1: And as I said, I was fishing around for shirts 470 00:23:17,440 --> 00:23:19,800 Speaker 1: in the dark this morning. So I want to find 471 00:23:19,800 --> 00:23:23,720 Speaker 1: out what was there more with the quarterbacks this week? Anything, Yes, 472 00:23:23,800 --> 00:23:26,720 Speaker 1: they did get into that a little bit. Want to well, 473 00:23:26,760 --> 00:23:30,160 Speaker 1: I like that occasionally hard knocks does tell you legitimate 474 00:23:30,440 --> 00:23:33,560 Speaker 1: football things. And one of the things I took away 475 00:23:33,560 --> 00:23:36,840 Speaker 1: from the Mallet Hoyer battle was this moment in last 476 00:23:36,840 --> 00:23:40,399 Speaker 1: week's game where Mallet does it makes a totally stupid play. 477 00:23:40,600 --> 00:23:43,800 Speaker 1: He doesn't hear the call correctly, and then he the 478 00:23:43,840 --> 00:23:46,280 Speaker 1: call makes no sense. It's a quarterback sneak on third 479 00:23:46,320 --> 00:23:51,280 Speaker 1: and four. It was third and four because he got 480 00:23:51,280 --> 00:23:53,840 Speaker 1: three yards he does he not only does he not 481 00:23:54,000 --> 00:23:56,399 Speaker 1: understand that it's a mistake that he heard it incorrectly, 482 00:23:56,560 --> 00:23:58,440 Speaker 1: he doesn't change the play. He just decides to run 483 00:23:58,560 --> 00:24:01,840 Speaker 1: and the drive ends. And afterwards O'Brien is kind of like, 484 00:24:02,280 --> 00:24:04,800 Speaker 1: what's going on here? And it and it just shows 485 00:24:04,800 --> 00:24:07,520 Speaker 1: you the difference between Mallet maybe not the most cerebral 486 00:24:07,560 --> 00:24:10,320 Speaker 1: guy and and Brian Hoyer. I was watched that game 487 00:24:10,359 --> 00:24:12,040 Speaker 1: on game Pass and I put that in my notes. 488 00:24:12,280 --> 00:24:15,200 Speaker 1: I've never seen a third and four quarterback sneak. He's 489 00:24:15,760 --> 00:24:17,480 Speaker 1: He comes off as a bit of a goon too, 490 00:24:17,560 --> 00:24:21,200 Speaker 1: because he during practice. Yeah, you know, not a bad guy, 491 00:24:21,280 --> 00:24:23,720 Speaker 1: not like Brian Cushing type, but he was saying he 492 00:24:23,760 --> 00:24:26,840 Speaker 1: would complete along pass and dude, just like he's exaggerated 493 00:24:26,880 --> 00:24:30,080 Speaker 1: celebrations like fist pumps. And then he ran a QB 494 00:24:30,240 --> 00:24:33,439 Speaker 1: draw near the goal line, in which I guess I 495 00:24:33,440 --> 00:24:35,399 Speaker 1: don't I've never been in the practice field like that, 496 00:24:35,480 --> 00:24:37,760 Speaker 1: but I guess it's not something you typically run because 497 00:24:37,760 --> 00:24:40,520 Speaker 1: they're wearing the red non contact jersey, so the defensive 498 00:24:40,520 --> 00:24:42,600 Speaker 1: players get angry. And then he dunks the ball over 499 00:24:42,640 --> 00:24:45,600 Speaker 1: the cross far well my other, oh my god. Yeah, 500 00:24:45,680 --> 00:24:48,639 Speaker 1: and that led to a quote from one of the 501 00:24:48,680 --> 00:24:51,639 Speaker 1: defensive players, Jackson, that he would give up his paycheck 502 00:24:51,680 --> 00:24:54,240 Speaker 1: if they ran that in the game, right and he well, 503 00:24:54,280 --> 00:24:57,080 Speaker 1: he also said um one of the teammates said if 504 00:24:57,080 --> 00:24:58,920 Speaker 1: he if he tries to run that again, somebody should 505 00:24:59,000 --> 00:25:03,119 Speaker 1: knock his ass and half DeAndre Hopkins you mentioned he is. 506 00:25:03,280 --> 00:25:05,119 Speaker 1: He is my favorite guy. You got, you got the 507 00:25:05,240 --> 00:25:08,080 Speaker 1: you got the Yorkshire. But you also had him killing 508 00:25:08,240 --> 00:25:11,159 Speaker 1: Hoyer for not recognizing that he was wide open on 509 00:25:11,160 --> 00:25:12,760 Speaker 1: a post route on the first play of the game. 510 00:25:13,040 --> 00:25:16,600 Speaker 1: After Hoyer makes a nice throw back shoulder two point conversion, 511 00:25:16,640 --> 00:25:19,960 Speaker 1: Hoyer runs over to him to celebrate and and Hopkins, 512 00:25:20,040 --> 00:25:21,960 Speaker 1: still thinking about the first play of the game, goes, 513 00:25:22,520 --> 00:25:25,440 Speaker 1: w tf Hoyer, you know what about that post? He's 514 00:25:25,440 --> 00:25:27,240 Speaker 1: still piste off and how he was like, oh what 515 00:25:27,240 --> 00:25:30,240 Speaker 1: what you man? You're open on that play. I'm sorry, 516 00:25:30,280 --> 00:25:32,600 Speaker 1: I didn't realize that that ain't gonna fly. You can't 517 00:25:32,640 --> 00:25:35,560 Speaker 1: miss DeAndre hard Knocks needs quarterback battles. Think it sounds good. 518 00:25:35,640 --> 00:25:38,000 Speaker 1: It always makes the season better. So yeah, everything going 519 00:25:38,040 --> 00:25:40,320 Speaker 1: great with hard Knocks so far. And uh, you know, 520 00:25:40,359 --> 00:25:42,200 Speaker 1: if you have a chance to watch it, please watch 521 00:25:42,240 --> 00:25:45,040 Speaker 1: it and then read the recaps. How about a vanity 522 00:25:45,040 --> 00:25:48,600 Speaker 1: you r l for. Let's do NFL dot com slash 523 00:25:48,800 --> 00:25:52,720 Speaker 1: hard Knocks comma, which Dan works very hard on laid 524 00:25:52,760 --> 00:25:55,919 Speaker 1: into the evenings to bring enjoyment both to the people 525 00:25:56,160 --> 00:25:59,920 Speaker 1: but to also please his ball. That's the flash Vince 526 00:26:00,040 --> 00:26:05,239 Speaker 1: will Fork's Bubbling Feet slash the most cumbersome vanity you 527 00:26:05,240 --> 00:26:07,800 Speaker 1: are a history of the Internet. Give Dan Rays slash 528 00:26:08,160 --> 00:26:10,960 Speaker 1: promotion department, open up some fundings. How did Jonathan Joseph 529 00:26:10,960 --> 00:26:13,800 Speaker 1: and Cream Jackson get away with freeballing that while playing football? 530 00:26:13,840 --> 00:26:17,679 Speaker 1: That seems wild. I've just thrown it up. Alright, alright, 531 00:26:17,720 --> 00:26:21,399 Speaker 1: next up, speaking of vanity r else, I'm very upset 532 00:26:21,400 --> 00:26:25,800 Speaker 1: about this. Speaking of freeballing, Well, that's that's another conversation. 533 00:26:25,800 --> 00:26:29,280 Speaker 1: What does that mean? Mark Sessler wrote an excellent long 534 00:26:29,359 --> 00:26:32,399 Speaker 1: form piece, or I would say an extended feature. Maybe 535 00:26:32,480 --> 00:26:34,359 Speaker 1: you know, there's the jargon. It's like a long a 536 00:26:34,440 --> 00:26:37,199 Speaker 1: t L post kind of uh a t N. By 537 00:26:37,200 --> 00:26:39,400 Speaker 1: the way, Mark, I like to go with the old 538 00:26:39,400 --> 00:26:42,359 Speaker 1: school a t L okay, completely wrong branding, all right, 539 00:26:42,400 --> 00:26:45,240 Speaker 1: I like that anyway, No, no vanity r L which 540 00:26:45,240 --> 00:26:47,640 Speaker 1: I hang on Greg a little bit. For NFL dot 541 00:26:47,640 --> 00:26:50,480 Speaker 1: Com slash believe Land seemed like a no brainer. But 542 00:26:50,520 --> 00:26:53,119 Speaker 1: beside the point. Mark wrote a great piece about his 543 00:26:53,240 --> 00:26:57,160 Speaker 1: encounter with Mike Petton at Brown's camp. Mark spent two 544 00:26:57,240 --> 00:27:00,600 Speaker 1: days there, Yeah, to practices to pro this is there. 545 00:27:00,720 --> 00:27:03,120 Speaker 1: Had a nice sit down with Mike and I'm talking 546 00:27:03,200 --> 00:27:05,120 Speaker 1: when I say sit down, this is not some gang 547 00:27:05,160 --> 00:27:08,720 Speaker 1: bang scrum. That's industry linko. By the way, when there's 548 00:27:08,760 --> 00:27:10,800 Speaker 1: a group of reporters around a player, a lot of 549 00:27:10,880 --> 00:27:14,520 Speaker 1: questionable turns what you might think not a gang bang, 550 00:27:14,600 --> 00:27:18,320 Speaker 1: but yet Mark talking to Mike Petton and uh, if 551 00:27:18,320 --> 00:27:22,840 Speaker 1: you're watching NFL, now it's a Brown's watch. Here's a 552 00:27:22,880 --> 00:27:27,320 Speaker 1: here's a shot of Mark with Mike Petton. I mean 553 00:27:27,520 --> 00:27:31,480 Speaker 1: Mark always always looks, you know, like longingly when he's 554 00:27:31,480 --> 00:27:36,240 Speaker 1: talking to a Browns player or a coach. You know, listen, 555 00:27:36,600 --> 00:27:38,359 Speaker 1: look at these shots. I was sent in to do 556 00:27:38,440 --> 00:27:40,720 Speaker 1: a job. What a journal you are. I was like, 557 00:27:40,760 --> 00:27:42,840 Speaker 1: I gotta get the job done. We're gonna we'll tweet 558 00:27:42,880 --> 00:27:46,240 Speaker 1: out those photos for the listeners of the podcast. But yeah, 559 00:27:46,400 --> 00:27:48,800 Speaker 1: Mark was tell us a little bit about your encounter 560 00:27:49,119 --> 00:27:52,000 Speaker 1: with Mike Petton, a man that you clearly admire. Well, 561 00:27:52,040 --> 00:27:54,040 Speaker 1: I mean, I think the thing I wanted to write 562 00:27:54,200 --> 00:27:57,560 Speaker 1: was because, I mean, everyone gets the perception of the 563 00:27:57,600 --> 00:28:00,879 Speaker 1: team in general, that it's just this wild train wreck 564 00:28:01,160 --> 00:28:04,920 Speaker 1: in space about to crash land for another Like, I 565 00:28:04,920 --> 00:28:07,080 Speaker 1: don't know, it's just like, what can you say about 566 00:28:07,080 --> 00:28:09,080 Speaker 1: the about the team. It's just it seems like the 567 00:28:09,480 --> 00:28:12,360 Speaker 1: books are cooked on what they are inside and out, 568 00:28:12,400 --> 00:28:14,520 Speaker 1: and so I just wanted to ask or try to 569 00:28:14,560 --> 00:28:17,320 Speaker 1: get Petton to talk honestly about, you know, how he 570 00:28:17,359 --> 00:28:19,640 Speaker 1: feels about that, because that's obviously if you're the man 571 00:28:19,720 --> 00:28:22,360 Speaker 1: in charge, that's crushing you all the time, that's coming 572 00:28:22,400 --> 00:28:25,080 Speaker 1: down on you. And what I liked about Petton in 573 00:28:25,119 --> 00:28:26,840 Speaker 1: a chance to talk about thought he's pretty honest. He 574 00:28:26,840 --> 00:28:29,160 Speaker 1: sort of said, I get it. You know, people drive 575 00:28:29,240 --> 00:28:31,240 Speaker 1: by the building and they think they're gonna expect to 576 00:28:31,280 --> 00:28:34,440 Speaker 1: see it on fire, and everyone says, there's all this unrest, 577 00:28:34,920 --> 00:28:37,960 Speaker 1: and you know, he he acknowledged that it's been difficult, 578 00:28:38,200 --> 00:28:40,880 Speaker 1: difficult transition a just to become an NFL head coach 579 00:28:40,920 --> 00:28:43,080 Speaker 1: and work with at the same time of first year 580 00:28:43,320 --> 00:28:46,120 Speaker 1: general manager. We know that's not been super smooth. But 581 00:28:46,200 --> 00:28:48,520 Speaker 1: he swatted down the idea that they can't work together, 582 00:28:48,560 --> 00:28:51,040 Speaker 1: that there's no shared vision, sort of saying that they 583 00:28:51,080 --> 00:28:54,200 Speaker 1: actually communicate daily, that they look at the roster they 584 00:28:54,240 --> 00:28:57,560 Speaker 1: have sixty seven or sixty eight new players, that most 585 00:28:57,600 --> 00:29:00,200 Speaker 1: every one of those guys was someone they agreed on. 586 00:29:00,480 --> 00:29:03,120 Speaker 1: There isn't a lot of fighting like we talked about. 587 00:29:03,120 --> 00:29:05,000 Speaker 1: He was definitely honest. You got some good quotes and 588 00:29:05,080 --> 00:29:07,959 Speaker 1: including my favorite of the piece. Let people think this 589 00:29:08,040 --> 00:29:12,160 Speaker 1: is a dumpster fire, let them think it well, I mean, 590 00:29:12,200 --> 00:29:13,840 Speaker 1: I think that was their take, is kind of like, 591 00:29:13,880 --> 00:29:15,960 Speaker 1: it's not this, it's not just us against the world, 592 00:29:15,960 --> 00:29:19,040 Speaker 1: which every team wants that dynamic. It's just we get it, 593 00:29:19,080 --> 00:29:20,520 Speaker 1: but we're gonna have to show it. But I think 594 00:29:20,520 --> 00:29:22,080 Speaker 1: he also may and they kind of did show it. 595 00:29:22,160 --> 00:29:24,720 Speaker 1: They exceeded expectations last year. It's about it good the 596 00:29:24,800 --> 00:29:28,080 Speaker 1: first year that Petton could have hoped for. Realistically, they 597 00:29:28,080 --> 00:29:30,040 Speaker 1: could take a step back record wise, and I think 598 00:29:30,040 --> 00:29:33,440 Speaker 1: that that's again the major problems that we're there are 599 00:29:33,480 --> 00:29:36,000 Speaker 1: still there. Well, so will they have the patients to 600 00:29:36,040 --> 00:29:38,320 Speaker 1: stick with him? I think that's the concern. Let's talk. 601 00:29:38,520 --> 00:29:40,720 Speaker 1: Let's talk about that and again read marks piece. We'll 602 00:29:40,920 --> 00:29:43,040 Speaker 1: send out a couple of those photos which are excellent, 603 00:29:43,080 --> 00:29:44,440 Speaker 1: with a link to the post on the around the 604 00:29:44,520 --> 00:29:47,240 Speaker 1: NFL account. Now let's talk about just real quick, we'll 605 00:29:47,240 --> 00:29:50,280 Speaker 1: go around the horn here. Out of ten your belief 606 00:29:50,920 --> 00:29:54,240 Speaker 1: that uh Cleveland can really contend for a playoffs. But 607 00:29:54,240 --> 00:29:55,640 Speaker 1: I remember this is a team that was what marks 608 00:29:55,680 --> 00:29:58,600 Speaker 1: seven and four at one point last November ended seven 609 00:29:58,680 --> 00:30:00,840 Speaker 1: and nine, So there could be something here if they 610 00:30:00,840 --> 00:30:02,920 Speaker 1: get some better quarterback play and a couple of breaks, 611 00:30:02,920 --> 00:30:05,680 Speaker 1: which the Cleveland typically doesn't. But you never know, I'll 612 00:30:05,680 --> 00:30:08,480 Speaker 1: start I think in terms of the chances that they're 613 00:30:08,520 --> 00:30:11,600 Speaker 1: an actual playoff contender in December, six out of ten 614 00:30:11,720 --> 00:30:16,600 Speaker 1: Indian Burial grounds. Wow. Six, that's pretty optimist. I don't 615 00:30:16,600 --> 00:30:18,960 Speaker 1: think it's crazy that the Browns could listen. I'm not 616 00:30:19,000 --> 00:30:21,520 Speaker 1: a big Josh McCown fan, and I hope that Johnny 617 00:30:21,520 --> 00:30:24,880 Speaker 1: Manzel becomes a dynamic NFL talent. But uh, you know, 618 00:30:25,040 --> 00:30:26,800 Speaker 1: maybe they get a little better quarterback play. You never 619 00:30:26,880 --> 00:30:30,240 Speaker 1: know what could happens. I'm gonna give it two out 620 00:30:30,280 --> 00:30:34,360 Speaker 1: of ten first round bus that's usually how they do it, 621 00:30:34,440 --> 00:30:37,120 Speaker 1: two out of time. Yeah, you know, I am a 622 00:30:37,160 --> 00:30:39,080 Speaker 1: fan of Josh McCown, but when you look at him 623 00:30:39,120 --> 00:30:42,400 Speaker 1: compared to the other quarterbacks in that conference and their 624 00:30:42,480 --> 00:30:45,120 Speaker 1: roster overall, they're still weak in several areas. I think 625 00:30:45,120 --> 00:30:47,440 Speaker 1: they're a year and a quarterback away from hitting that 626 00:30:47,520 --> 00:30:52,720 Speaker 1: contending I would give them one point one. Josh Gordon 627 00:30:52,760 --> 00:30:58,360 Speaker 1: blood alcohol content. Wow. I feel bad about this. I 628 00:30:58,440 --> 00:31:01,680 Speaker 1: thought about it because I know that Mark is sensitive 629 00:31:01,720 --> 00:31:04,160 Speaker 1: to Brown's criticism, and he thinks we pick on them 630 00:31:04,160 --> 00:31:06,320 Speaker 1: in general. I really thought they'd be better than people 631 00:31:06,360 --> 00:31:08,360 Speaker 1: expected last year. And I was thinking when someone asked 632 00:31:08,360 --> 00:31:10,560 Speaker 1: me on Twitter, who's the worst team in the NFL. 633 00:31:10,640 --> 00:31:13,479 Speaker 1: If it wasn't for Mark being around, I would consider 634 00:31:13,520 --> 00:31:15,400 Speaker 1: that the Browns would be one of the options because 635 00:31:15,400 --> 00:31:16,680 Speaker 1: I think if you look at their offense, and I 636 00:31:16,720 --> 00:31:19,440 Speaker 1: always start with offense, it's more predictable. I think it's 637 00:31:19,480 --> 00:31:21,920 Speaker 1: more important if you look at their offense on paper, 638 00:31:22,320 --> 00:31:24,160 Speaker 1: it's one of the worst offenses in the league, if 639 00:31:24,160 --> 00:31:26,560 Speaker 1: not the worst. And I think their schedules tougher, and 640 00:31:26,600 --> 00:31:28,960 Speaker 1: I think they're they're gonna They have a good coaching staff, 641 00:31:29,000 --> 00:31:32,520 Speaker 1: they have some good defensive pieces. Five six wins, all right, Yeah, 642 00:31:32,520 --> 00:31:35,640 Speaker 1: I mean I go three out of ten Rob Chizynski 643 00:31:35,960 --> 00:31:39,479 Speaker 1: chins is that I don't know. Actually, that's a little bit, uh, 644 00:31:39,600 --> 00:31:42,680 Speaker 1: that's a little bit to sive him because Chazynski did 645 00:31:42,760 --> 00:31:44,800 Speaker 1: not have it. So non three out of ten, non 646 00:31:45,040 --> 00:31:47,760 Speaker 1: Rob Chizynski, ten chins. I knew Chad was he had 647 00:31:47,800 --> 00:31:49,400 Speaker 1: no shot when didn't have the chinney. Gotta have a 648 00:31:49,400 --> 00:31:51,560 Speaker 1: strong chin to make it in the NFL, A strong 649 00:31:51,640 --> 00:31:54,240 Speaker 1: jawline as a coach. And I'll tell you what. Petton 650 00:31:54,680 --> 00:31:56,640 Speaker 1: has a nice jaw. He does. I mean, but Greg 651 00:31:56,640 --> 00:31:59,239 Speaker 1: makes a good point. You don't have Josh Gordon, who 652 00:31:59,320 --> 00:32:00,920 Speaker 1: you did have for part of last season. In the 653 00:32:01,000 --> 00:32:03,720 Speaker 1: year before, you don't have Jordan Cameron. Their skill position 654 00:32:03,760 --> 00:32:06,800 Speaker 1: players have probably gotten worse. You know, they have a 655 00:32:06,840 --> 00:32:09,240 Speaker 1: good offensive line, but that that alone, that's not gonna 656 00:32:09,280 --> 00:32:11,520 Speaker 1: it's not gonna carry you in that division. I think 657 00:32:11,560 --> 00:32:15,400 Speaker 1: the point is they the last four coaching resumes regimes 658 00:32:15,400 --> 00:32:17,360 Speaker 1: had the same problem. You gotta stick with it and 659 00:32:17,440 --> 00:32:20,760 Speaker 1: keep building. It's not that it's gonna happen this season. Alright, 660 00:32:20,840 --> 00:32:24,960 Speaker 1: So leveland Brown talk out of the way. Sessler happy, 661 00:32:25,400 --> 00:32:27,960 Speaker 1: floating on high. He asked for that plug. He's got 662 00:32:28,000 --> 00:32:34,480 Speaker 1: his plug. And now that Mark is literally the last 663 00:32:34,480 --> 00:32:38,040 Speaker 1: guy that asked for a plug. Part two of our 664 00:32:38,160 --> 00:32:51,480 Speaker 1: Fantasy extravaganzas now underway. It's victorious, Andy dufrayn uh yes, 665 00:32:51,560 --> 00:32:56,440 Speaker 1: this is part two of the Fantasy Extravaganza. On Monday's show, 666 00:32:56,480 --> 00:33:00,280 Speaker 1: we talked about the running backs and uh, the tight ends, 667 00:33:00,880 --> 00:33:03,720 Speaker 1: and now we will talk about the wide receivers. Were 668 00:33:04,480 --> 00:33:07,080 Speaker 1: you know, there's a lot of stud talent, maybe more 669 00:33:07,200 --> 00:33:09,080 Speaker 1: right now than there's ever been in the NFL. I 670 00:33:09,080 --> 00:33:10,600 Speaker 1: don't know. I don't even know that's true. I'm throwing 671 00:33:10,600 --> 00:33:12,520 Speaker 1: it out there. You can believe it. You can believe it. 672 00:33:12,560 --> 00:33:15,240 Speaker 1: I don't care. Um. So we're gonna talk about the 673 00:33:15,240 --> 00:33:18,320 Speaker 1: wide receivers today, and I'll tell you what before we 674 00:33:18,320 --> 00:33:20,880 Speaker 1: get into it. I've been working on some more taglines 675 00:33:21,280 --> 00:33:23,760 Speaker 1: because I know you guys didn't like them all. Uh. 676 00:33:23,960 --> 00:33:28,000 Speaker 1: One was profane. Uh, so I got had a bunch 677 00:33:28,000 --> 00:33:30,120 Speaker 1: of lasers in it, had some lasers in it. So 678 00:33:30,560 --> 00:33:31,920 Speaker 1: three more he came up with. You let me know 679 00:33:31,960 --> 00:33:34,520 Speaker 1: if maybe we hit on something, because the right tagline 680 00:33:34,840 --> 00:33:38,840 Speaker 1: in this crowded world of fantasy football can take a 681 00:33:38,920 --> 00:33:43,920 Speaker 1: group far. Uh. The fantasy extravaganza promise, I'll make you 682 00:33:44,000 --> 00:33:49,120 Speaker 1: proud of me, Dad, thoughts, I don't know if father's 683 00:33:49,320 --> 00:33:52,840 Speaker 1: uh most fathers really care about their son's fantasy teams. 684 00:33:52,920 --> 00:33:56,760 Speaker 1: But maybe all the fantasy extravaganza? Am I not good 685 00:33:56,840 --> 00:34:00,480 Speaker 1: enough for you? Dad? It's got a little more edge 686 00:34:00,520 --> 00:34:02,200 Speaker 1: to it. I like the attitude that brings to the 687 00:34:02,200 --> 00:34:04,120 Speaker 1: locker room, like Dan is working out some of his 688 00:34:04,240 --> 00:34:08,560 Speaker 1: own issues. Does dance centric? But yes or no better 689 00:34:08,600 --> 00:34:11,359 Speaker 1: than the first one might take. I would get off 690 00:34:11,360 --> 00:34:15,800 Speaker 1: the dance thing, all right? Last one? Uh daddy, Papa, 691 00:34:16,400 --> 00:34:21,320 Speaker 1: where are you? No? Now you found a winner. I 692 00:34:21,360 --> 00:34:23,600 Speaker 1: would go with that. That feels clear. I think that's 693 00:34:23,640 --> 00:34:26,120 Speaker 1: the winner. If those are the three options, that's that's 694 00:34:26,120 --> 00:34:28,960 Speaker 1: pretty good. Dan. You gotta separate yourself from the crew. 695 00:34:30,239 --> 00:34:37,439 Speaker 1: I don't know that many level separate from the crew. 696 00:34:37,960 --> 00:34:41,319 Speaker 1: All right, So let's get into it. The wide receivers 697 00:34:41,440 --> 00:34:46,399 Speaker 1: um that are overvalued and what we'll do here. Of course, 698 00:34:46,400 --> 00:34:49,200 Speaker 1: we've got the fantasy outsider waiting in the wings on 699 00:34:49,280 --> 00:34:52,319 Speaker 1: a street corner, cigarette in a white T shirt with 700 00:34:52,320 --> 00:34:55,399 Speaker 1: the cigarettes rolled up in the sleeve, waiting over there. 701 00:34:55,920 --> 00:34:58,560 Speaker 1: James Dean, James Dean with a computer is what they 702 00:34:58,560 --> 00:35:01,640 Speaker 1: call him. But for will start with Greg and West. 703 00:35:02,200 --> 00:35:05,839 Speaker 1: James with the computer is what they called Greg. You're 704 00:35:06,000 --> 00:35:08,960 Speaker 1: overvalued wide receiver right now where people are getting too excited, 705 00:35:09,120 --> 00:35:11,880 Speaker 1: they got a calm down. Don't take them too high. 706 00:35:12,239 --> 00:35:14,040 Speaker 1: This was hard. My first the name that I thought 707 00:35:14,280 --> 00:35:17,520 Speaker 1: was Roddy White, but then I thought, you know, everyone 708 00:35:17,560 --> 00:35:20,560 Speaker 1: knows that he's a third receiver. So I'm going Randall Cobb. Now, 709 00:35:20,640 --> 00:35:24,240 Speaker 1: Randall Cobb coming off a career season in a great offense, 710 00:35:24,280 --> 00:35:27,120 Speaker 1: but he's getting taken in the second round right around 711 00:35:27,200 --> 00:35:30,359 Speaker 1: guys like Calvin Johnson, Jordy Nelson, A J. Green just 712 00:35:30,520 --> 00:35:32,800 Speaker 1: after them, And to me, there's a huge gap between 713 00:35:32,880 --> 00:35:36,000 Speaker 1: Randall Cobb and those guys. Wouldn't surprise me if Davante Adams, 714 00:35:36,000 --> 00:35:38,960 Speaker 1: Montgomery the tight ends the running games they all take away, 715 00:35:38,960 --> 00:35:41,280 Speaker 1: and that Cob is not really as good a fantasy 716 00:35:41,320 --> 00:35:43,960 Speaker 1: player as he is a reality player, and there's so 717 00:35:44,000 --> 00:35:46,120 Speaker 1: many good receivers in the third, fourth, fifth round you 718 00:35:46,120 --> 00:35:49,360 Speaker 1: can wait, he has such a low floor or he 719 00:35:49,400 --> 00:35:51,360 Speaker 1: has such a high floor because of their offense and 720 00:35:51,360 --> 00:35:53,680 Speaker 1: because of his own talent. But I think the main 721 00:35:53,719 --> 00:35:56,400 Speaker 1: point here is those top eight guys are cut and dried, 722 00:35:56,800 --> 00:36:00,959 Speaker 1: and then there's exact huge draw up off after that. 723 00:36:00,960 --> 00:36:03,120 Speaker 1: That's exactly what I was thinking. And then you look 724 00:36:03,120 --> 00:36:05,640 Speaker 1: at the guys that are way further down, Emmanuel Sanders, 725 00:36:05,680 --> 00:36:09,239 Speaker 1: DeAndre Hopkins, outside Jeffrey even Keenan Allen down in the 726 00:36:09,239 --> 00:36:11,359 Speaker 1: fifth roend, It's like, I don't see a huge gap 727 00:36:11,400 --> 00:36:13,200 Speaker 1: between Cobb and those guys that you might as well 728 00:36:13,200 --> 00:36:15,040 Speaker 1: wait if that's how you get one thing that would 729 00:36:15,040 --> 00:36:18,239 Speaker 1: concern me about not taking the Green Bay receivers that 730 00:36:18,280 --> 00:36:21,319 Speaker 1: Cobb himself talked about Green Bay's offense speeding up and 731 00:36:21,400 --> 00:36:24,120 Speaker 1: running on high volume of plays, and they said that 732 00:36:24,200 --> 00:36:25,800 Speaker 1: he was on the field, they saw them run thirty 733 00:36:25,840 --> 00:36:28,920 Speaker 1: three in one quarter. That there's gonna be more targets, 734 00:36:28,920 --> 00:36:32,800 Speaker 1: more catches, more everything. Sixteen games played last year, catches 735 00:36:33,080 --> 00:36:39,440 Speaker 1: almost thirteen under yards and twelve touchdowns. Good production said, right, 736 00:36:39,520 --> 00:36:41,359 Speaker 1: the towns are going down. Don't buy high. I think 737 00:36:41,360 --> 00:36:44,160 Speaker 1: that's gonna be his career year. All right, Chris Wesling, 738 00:36:44,560 --> 00:36:47,800 Speaker 1: you're overvalued wide receiver. Guy getting taken one spot behind 739 00:36:47,920 --> 00:36:50,640 Speaker 1: Randall Cobb is Mike Evans. And this is to me, 740 00:36:51,680 --> 00:36:55,000 Speaker 1: the Tampa Bay Buccaneers offense is toxic for fantasy purposes. 741 00:36:55,040 --> 00:36:57,719 Speaker 1: To me, their offensive line is abysmal. They have a 742 00:36:57,760 --> 00:37:00,200 Speaker 1: quarterback who's very raw, and I do not expect him 743 00:37:00,280 --> 00:37:02,319 Speaker 1: to come in and light the world on fire. Mike 744 00:37:02,360 --> 00:37:06,919 Speaker 1: Evans also last year torched second and third quarter cornerbacks. 745 00:37:07,360 --> 00:37:10,920 Speaker 1: Unlike Sammy Watkins and Odell Beckham and Kelvin Benjamin, he 746 00:37:11,000 --> 00:37:14,680 Speaker 1: wasn't playing against number one cornerbacks. Dark Cutter has him 747 00:37:14,680 --> 00:37:16,560 Speaker 1: playing that rule this year where he's moving him around 748 00:37:16,600 --> 00:37:18,640 Speaker 1: the offense, and we'll see a lot more number one 749 00:37:18,680 --> 00:37:22,240 Speaker 1: cornerback coverage. But I could be wrong about the Buccaneers offense. 750 00:37:22,239 --> 00:37:23,920 Speaker 1: But what's that gonna hurt me? If I am wrong 751 00:37:23,960 --> 00:37:25,840 Speaker 1: about it, I can I can get someone in a 752 00:37:25,840 --> 00:37:28,160 Speaker 1: better offense. But if I'm right about the Buccaneers offense 753 00:37:28,160 --> 00:37:30,279 Speaker 1: and you're stuck with with a guy in a in 754 00:37:30,320 --> 00:37:33,120 Speaker 1: a in a really abysmal offense, I'd rather have Vincent 755 00:37:33,200 --> 00:37:36,120 Speaker 1: Jackson in the eighth round than in the second or 756 00:37:36,200 --> 00:37:40,920 Speaker 1: the third. Forget Mike Evans, Wow, Forget. I like his talent, 757 00:37:40,960 --> 00:37:45,719 Speaker 1: and he's super talent, had a monster season. But you 758 00:37:45,760 --> 00:37:47,360 Speaker 1: haven't been in this business as long as I have. 759 00:37:47,440 --> 00:37:49,560 Speaker 1: You just gotta be. You gotta have hot takes. You 760 00:37:49,640 --> 00:37:52,880 Speaker 1: gotta go like Adam Shine, and you gotta put the 761 00:37:52,920 --> 00:37:56,120 Speaker 1: oven mitts on. You gotta go into the oven because 762 00:37:56,120 --> 00:37:59,799 Speaker 1: those takes are hot. They got. It's not gonna make 763 00:37:59,800 --> 00:38:01,600 Speaker 1: any noise. By the way, I'm just a guy here. 764 00:38:01,800 --> 00:38:04,719 Speaker 1: I'm just a regular Joe and the average Joe here 765 00:38:04,760 --> 00:38:07,680 Speaker 1: in the presence of greatness and Mark and it's just 766 00:38:08,120 --> 00:38:10,799 Speaker 1: you know, I'm enjoying myself here. Let's move on now 767 00:38:10,840 --> 00:38:14,080 Speaker 1: to enjoying myself to a lesser extent. Let's move on 768 00:38:14,320 --> 00:38:17,279 Speaker 1: to undervalued wide receivers. Greg We'll start with you. I 769 00:38:17,320 --> 00:38:20,279 Speaker 1: almost feel bad for taking West's boy, but we could 770 00:38:20,280 --> 00:38:23,160 Speaker 1: only pick one here. How is John Brown going in 771 00:38:23,200 --> 00:38:25,960 Speaker 1: the eighth or ninth round? That is bananas to me. 772 00:38:26,080 --> 00:38:28,920 Speaker 1: I I see John Brown making that t Y Hilton 773 00:38:29,320 --> 00:38:33,640 Speaker 1: type leap where he's getting hundred yards, where he's a 774 00:38:33,719 --> 00:38:37,000 Speaker 1: top fifteen type of running back, and he's going number forties. 775 00:38:37,040 --> 00:38:40,359 Speaker 1: So what I love receiver wide receiver. I've been out 776 00:38:40,360 --> 00:38:42,560 Speaker 1: of the game a little bit, the fantasy game. Why 777 00:38:42,680 --> 00:38:44,759 Speaker 1: is that happening? Then? Why? Why is that he just 778 00:38:44,840 --> 00:38:47,239 Speaker 1: he misspoke? Is what happened with Because he's a little guy, 779 00:38:47,360 --> 00:38:50,760 Speaker 1: and and I don't know that seems crazy. Have three? 780 00:38:50,920 --> 00:38:52,880 Speaker 1: They have three receivers, so they'll spread it around a 781 00:38:52,880 --> 00:38:55,560 Speaker 1: little bit. And look at Larry Fitzgerald's only going one 782 00:38:55,560 --> 00:38:57,040 Speaker 1: spot ahead of John Brown. I know a lot of 783 00:38:57,040 --> 00:39:01,840 Speaker 1: people are writing off Larry Fitzgerald. I trust my eyes. 784 00:39:02,040 --> 00:39:04,359 Speaker 1: And when he was healthy and Carson Palmer was healthy 785 00:39:04,400 --> 00:39:08,120 Speaker 1: last year, Larry Fitzgerald looked like two thousand nine Larry Fitzgerald. 786 00:39:08,120 --> 00:39:10,440 Speaker 1: To me, I think this guy's got plenty left in 787 00:39:10,480 --> 00:39:12,879 Speaker 1: the thing. I would take both of these Cardinals receiver. Yeah, 788 00:39:12,920 --> 00:39:15,200 Speaker 1: I would too. When I saw that, I considered Fitzgerald 789 00:39:15,239 --> 00:39:17,160 Speaker 1: for it. That was the one when I looked at 790 00:39:17,200 --> 00:39:19,520 Speaker 1: the whole top fifty that scene. Wow, that's almost wrong. 791 00:39:19,600 --> 00:39:22,359 Speaker 1: How could John Brown not? He's very similar to me 792 00:39:22,680 --> 00:39:25,160 Speaker 1: Mark Tavis Bryant is getting taken in the fifth round. 793 00:39:25,200 --> 00:39:27,000 Speaker 1: I would rather have John Brown than with a guy 794 00:39:27,040 --> 00:39:29,640 Speaker 1: like Fitzgerald, don't we. He's done it fantasy wise, year 795 00:39:29,680 --> 00:39:32,399 Speaker 1: after year after year, and if you're not overspending for him, 796 00:39:32,480 --> 00:39:34,359 Speaker 1: those are the guys I want on my team. That's 797 00:39:34,360 --> 00:39:36,280 Speaker 1: a good year for him. By the way, Smoky Brown 798 00:39:36,480 --> 00:39:39,320 Speaker 1: just five starts last year. Appeared in sixteen games, hundred 799 00:39:39,360 --> 00:39:42,560 Speaker 1: and two targets despite just five starts. That includes Brian 800 00:39:42,640 --> 00:39:45,080 Speaker 1: Linley games. Right, yikes, but what a starts mean? For 801 00:39:45,080 --> 00:39:46,920 Speaker 1: why doesn't he was on the field a tony just 802 00:39:47,360 --> 00:39:50,160 Speaker 1: But I mean, give him sixteen starts. His target is 803 00:39:50,200 --> 00:39:53,000 Speaker 1: gonna go straight through the roof, especially if fitz gets 804 00:39:53,040 --> 00:39:56,080 Speaker 1: hurt again, which could happen. All right, Wes, you're undervalued 805 00:39:56,080 --> 00:39:59,759 Speaker 1: wide receiver. Come on, fantasy people, what are you doing? You? 806 00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:04,960 Speaker 1: Old Stullards and Simpleton's Calvin Johnson. Calvin Johnson is the 807 00:40:05,040 --> 00:40:07,719 Speaker 1: sixth best wide receiver or six wide receiver off the board. 808 00:40:07,760 --> 00:40:10,880 Speaker 1: Stop what are you doing? He's the best wide receiver 809 00:40:10,880 --> 00:40:14,480 Speaker 1: in the NFL. Stop this nonsense. Calvin Johnson's undervalued. He 810 00:40:14,480 --> 00:40:17,560 Speaker 1: should be the number one receiver. Is it? Are people 811 00:40:17,600 --> 00:40:20,520 Speaker 1: concerned about his durability? I've got him up in last season. No, 812 00:40:20,719 --> 00:40:23,279 Speaker 1: it's people stare only at last year's stats and that's 813 00:40:23,320 --> 00:40:26,600 Speaker 1: all people pay for last year's stats, and they just 814 00:40:26,840 --> 00:40:30,000 Speaker 1: wipe away last year. It's not complicated by low sell 815 00:40:30,120 --> 00:40:32,920 Speaker 1: high Calvin Johnson has been the number one ride wide 816 00:40:32,920 --> 00:40:35,680 Speaker 1: receiver for seven years. He's still in his prime. If 817 00:40:35,680 --> 00:40:37,399 Speaker 1: you have the you guys have the number six pick 818 00:40:37,440 --> 00:40:39,000 Speaker 1: in your draft, I know you're trying to get Mark 819 00:40:39,080 --> 00:40:42,880 Speaker 1: Sessler Marks a little more engaged. I mean, Kelvin Johnson 820 00:40:42,960 --> 00:40:45,360 Speaker 1: is not a crazy pick at number six. Here's so 821 00:40:45,560 --> 00:40:48,000 Speaker 1: not at all? Why it's West is absolutely right. Yes, 822 00:40:48,040 --> 00:40:50,600 Speaker 1: he hasn't quite been himself, but he's still productive. Any 823 00:40:50,640 --> 00:40:52,600 Speaker 1: when he was healthy last year, he was still Calvin 824 00:40:52,680 --> 00:40:57,080 Speaker 1: Johnson's number. Last year's stats should not guide your your 825 00:40:57,200 --> 00:41:00,640 Speaker 1: drafting philosophy. Knowing that Calvin Johnson is also should drive 826 00:41:01,080 --> 00:41:03,640 Speaker 1: and just he'll he'll turn thirty in September, so he's 827 00:41:03,640 --> 00:41:06,000 Speaker 1: not a spring chicken anymore. But you have a very 828 00:41:06,000 --> 00:41:08,400 Speaker 1: good chance of getting Calvin Johnson in the second round 829 00:41:08,719 --> 00:41:11,400 Speaker 1: and him being completely healthy and dropping a hundred and 830 00:41:11,400 --> 00:41:16,600 Speaker 1: fifteen catches for eighteen hundred yards and ten touchdownsdowns right, 831 00:41:16,640 --> 00:41:18,680 Speaker 1: and he's in an offense where for years he was 832 00:41:18,719 --> 00:41:21,160 Speaker 1: the only wide receiver they had. You've got Golden Tate 833 00:41:21,239 --> 00:41:23,480 Speaker 1: and if Eric Ebron does anything this year, and with 834 00:41:23,480 --> 00:41:25,319 Speaker 1: what they have going on in the backfield, I mean, 835 00:41:25,719 --> 00:41:28,000 Speaker 1: he's not the only one defenses can pay attention to. 836 00:41:28,080 --> 00:41:30,880 Speaker 1: Maybe you all save this for the Philosophy Show on Friday, 837 00:41:30,960 --> 00:41:33,680 Speaker 1: but I mean you could argue the top eight receivers 838 00:41:33,680 --> 00:41:36,080 Speaker 1: are all undervalued. I don't think we've had a time 839 00:41:36,120 --> 00:41:38,759 Speaker 1: in fantasy football history, for what it's worth, where you 840 00:41:38,800 --> 00:41:41,799 Speaker 1: have such safe options at the top where they're all 841 00:41:41,880 --> 00:41:44,120 Speaker 1: money in the bank and you're getting a minus B 842 00:41:44,200 --> 00:41:46,120 Speaker 1: plus pick out of all of them. There's almost no risk. 843 00:41:46,200 --> 00:41:48,880 Speaker 1: Just take those guys until they're off the board totally 844 00:41:48,920 --> 00:41:51,719 Speaker 1: barring injury. You're getting a hundred catches, fifteen hundred yards 845 00:41:51,760 --> 00:41:54,120 Speaker 1: and twelve touchdowns out of most of these eight receivers. 846 00:41:54,200 --> 00:41:57,279 Speaker 1: I mean, that's what you're looking at. Just to be clear, 847 00:41:57,360 --> 00:41:59,640 Speaker 1: on Friday show, we're gonna get through all the quarterbacks 848 00:42:00,120 --> 00:42:03,080 Speaker 1: and as Greg mentioned, the philosophy that is not in 849 00:42:03,120 --> 00:42:06,439 Speaker 1: no way related to the theology podcast which is down 850 00:42:06,520 --> 00:42:09,919 Speaker 1: the road. All right, now it's time we uh. We've 851 00:42:09,920 --> 00:42:13,600 Speaker 1: talked to the icons old regular Joe Zeuser how to 852 00:42:13,640 --> 00:42:16,640 Speaker 1: his say, and now we're going to the fantasy corner 853 00:42:16,680 --> 00:42:22,960 Speaker 1: of the old cessler Zeus Sir NFL Media fantasy outsider 854 00:42:23,560 --> 00:42:26,800 Speaker 1: Mark Sessler, Sessler's corner. What do you got for us, buddy? 855 00:42:26,840 --> 00:42:28,600 Speaker 1: All right, well, today I want to talk about the 856 00:42:28,640 --> 00:42:32,080 Speaker 1: fact that, you know, fantasy football has grown. We can 857 00:42:32,160 --> 00:42:33,680 Speaker 1: kill that music when every you know, we can take 858 00:42:33,680 --> 00:42:36,440 Speaker 1: it a little lower. It's like blowing out our ear drums. 859 00:42:36,520 --> 00:42:39,960 Speaker 1: Let's think about the listener, which we didn't do, is 860 00:42:40,040 --> 00:42:43,759 Speaker 1: baby making music. Let's take it down, not really the 861 00:42:43,760 --> 00:42:45,600 Speaker 1: tone of the piece. But you know, fly with whatever 862 00:42:45,640 --> 00:42:48,080 Speaker 1: you need to fly with, you know. So fantasy football, 863 00:42:48,120 --> 00:42:51,279 Speaker 1: it's grown obviously in this country right because we live 864 00:42:51,280 --> 00:42:55,280 Speaker 1: in a very super soft peace time environment, extremely soft. 865 00:42:55,320 --> 00:42:58,239 Speaker 1: Few are it's ridiculous, but not everyone's sitting on the 866 00:42:58,280 --> 00:43:01,200 Speaker 1: throne of ease. I have done some research and identified 867 00:43:01,560 --> 00:43:05,920 Speaker 1: for people groups who do not have time for fantasy football. Alright, 868 00:43:06,000 --> 00:43:08,880 Speaker 1: these guys don't have time for this nonsense. Let's start 869 00:43:08,960 --> 00:43:13,160 Speaker 1: with number one, Peru's Shining Path. You heard of these guys. 870 00:43:13,400 --> 00:43:17,960 Speaker 1: It's a Maoist led guerrilla faction. Well, they're working endlessly 871 00:43:18,000 --> 00:43:21,600 Speaker 1: to sack the bourgeois democracy in Latin America. Don't have 872 00:43:21,719 --> 00:43:24,759 Speaker 1: time for Joseph Randall's a DP. Don't care. How did 873 00:43:24,840 --> 00:43:28,840 Speaker 1: malism end up in Peru West? It's it's streaming everywhere, 874 00:43:28,840 --> 00:43:31,880 Speaker 1: and these guys the Shining Path are on it, alright. 875 00:43:31,960 --> 00:43:35,760 Speaker 1: Second group, another group with no time for fantasy football, 876 00:43:35,800 --> 00:43:39,680 Speaker 1: this hobby horse activity, the brother heard subculture known as Brownie's. 877 00:43:40,600 --> 00:43:43,920 Speaker 1: All right, we have one in our newsroom. He is 878 00:43:43,960 --> 00:43:46,760 Speaker 1: a Brownie. These are male fans of my Little Pony 879 00:43:46,800 --> 00:43:49,040 Speaker 1: who live and die by the creed of friendship is 880 00:43:49,120 --> 00:43:53,480 Speaker 1: now okay. While some Brownies might potentially delve into the 881 00:43:53,480 --> 00:43:58,320 Speaker 1: realm of rotisserie sports, the crossover is scant. Okay, Okay, Brownies. 882 00:43:58,400 --> 00:44:01,080 Speaker 1: Brownies have other priorities, I mean of troubled. They have 883 00:44:01,120 --> 00:44:05,480 Speaker 1: other things going on. It's not fantasyeah, that's fair. Group 884 00:44:05,560 --> 00:44:08,360 Speaker 1: number three, the Universal Church of the New World comforter. 885 00:44:08,600 --> 00:44:10,239 Speaker 1: I'm not sure if you've heard of this one, Dan, 886 00:44:10,440 --> 00:44:13,640 Speaker 1: the hard working UFO called founded in nineteen seventy three 887 00:44:13,640 --> 00:44:16,520 Speaker 1: by Alan Michael. They're too busy watching the skies for 888 00:44:16,560 --> 00:44:20,280 Speaker 1: incoming terror to care about whether Martavis Bryant has oilier 889 00:44:20,360 --> 00:44:23,279 Speaker 1: hips than Marcus Wheaton. Don't care, don't have time. They 890 00:44:23,280 --> 00:44:26,640 Speaker 1: probably should be doing fantasy sports. They better use of time, 891 00:44:26,719 --> 00:44:30,680 Speaker 1: but go talk to them about it. They're busy. One 892 00:44:30,719 --> 00:44:34,960 Speaker 1: final group covert operatives housed inside the government's mk Ultram 893 00:44:34,960 --> 00:44:39,400 Speaker 1: mind control program. All right, these clandestine types far too busy, 894 00:44:39,440 --> 00:44:42,799 Speaker 1: author and cutouts and false flags while repeatedly selling the 895 00:44:42,800 --> 00:44:45,640 Speaker 1: concept of a lone nut gunman to a flaccid, droned 896 00:44:45,640 --> 00:44:48,759 Speaker 1: out public, don't have time for rotissary sports. I thought 897 00:44:48,760 --> 00:44:51,000 Speaker 1: you would bring them up well if that when you 898 00:44:51,040 --> 00:44:53,319 Speaker 1: said people that didn't have time, you might say, like policemen, 899 00:44:53,360 --> 00:44:55,160 Speaker 1: they have too much to do. Tons of cops bear 900 00:44:55,320 --> 00:44:58,200 Speaker 1: fantasy ball. Okay, I'm I'm going deeper because these are 901 00:44:58,200 --> 00:45:01,880 Speaker 1: people with their world's perspective just not allowed them to participate. 902 00:45:01,920 --> 00:45:04,120 Speaker 1: You're staying fantasy sports a luxury these people don't have. 903 00:45:05,080 --> 00:45:09,359 Speaker 1: On the Mark Sessler Fantasy corner, the fantasy outsider. He's 904 00:45:09,400 --> 00:45:12,640 Speaker 1: always a disturbing hot take to be found. We'll come 905 00:45:12,640 --> 00:45:18,239 Speaker 1: back to you a little later. But moving on. Now, 906 00:45:18,320 --> 00:45:20,480 Speaker 1: let's talk about some otherwide receiver. I'm gonna throw out 907 00:45:20,480 --> 00:45:22,799 Speaker 1: some names now and uh outside or you can jump 908 00:45:22,880 --> 00:45:25,760 Speaker 1: in of course as well. Um on this it's undo. 909 00:45:25,960 --> 00:45:27,640 Speaker 1: Or you could just you know, have another cigarette. I 910 00:45:27,640 --> 00:45:30,000 Speaker 1: could sit this one out. Maybe it's up to you, buddy. Uh, 911 00:45:30,040 --> 00:45:32,479 Speaker 1: here we go. Wide receiver and wide receivers. You guys, 912 00:45:32,560 --> 00:45:36,840 Speaker 1: let me know. Overrated, underrated? Uh, Julian Edelman, Chris Wesling, overrated, 913 00:45:36,920 --> 00:45:39,360 Speaker 1: under or underrated? How do you feel about him? I 914 00:45:39,360 --> 00:45:43,120 Speaker 1: think you slightly overrated because he stayed healthy last year. 915 00:45:43,239 --> 00:45:45,680 Speaker 1: That's not usually his m O. He is a very 916 00:45:45,719 --> 00:45:48,480 Speaker 1: banged up individual when you look at his career, and 917 00:45:48,520 --> 00:45:51,239 Speaker 1: he's not really a high volume touchdown guy. So I 918 00:45:51,280 --> 00:45:53,160 Speaker 1: think if you're in a points per reception league, go 919 00:45:53,160 --> 00:45:55,279 Speaker 1: ahead and get him. But if you're in a standard league, 920 00:45:55,280 --> 00:45:57,359 Speaker 1: he's a little overvalued. This is where I do wish 921 00:45:57,360 --> 00:45:59,560 Speaker 1: I knew if Tom Brady was playing the first four 922 00:45:59,560 --> 00:46:01,800 Speaker 1: weeks this season, because I don't know if Julian Edelman 923 00:46:01,880 --> 00:46:04,279 Speaker 1: is in your fantasy lineup with Jimmy Garoppolo, and that's 924 00:46:04,320 --> 00:46:07,920 Speaker 1: four out of thirteen fantasy weeks. That's a third of 925 00:46:07,920 --> 00:46:09,840 Speaker 1: the season. That's pretty big. I think he's overvalued too, 926 00:46:09,840 --> 00:46:12,080 Speaker 1: because you don't want a guy coming off a career year. Essentially, 927 00:46:12,160 --> 00:46:16,920 Speaker 1: anybody worried about Julian Edelman's offseason activities. Been to a 928 00:46:16,920 --> 00:46:19,960 Speaker 1: lot of college parties, a lot of photos, taking a 929 00:46:20,040 --> 00:46:22,319 Speaker 1: lot of you know, I'm gonna be honest women. Well, 930 00:46:22,320 --> 00:46:24,759 Speaker 1: I mean, in the scope of what NFL players are 931 00:46:24,800 --> 00:46:27,040 Speaker 1: doing in the off season, it's probably mid range. I'm 932 00:46:27,080 --> 00:46:29,920 Speaker 1: not that concerned. He could be tired. So what he 933 00:46:30,000 --> 00:46:32,840 Speaker 1: did was like really tame compared to like nineteen sixty 934 00:46:32,880 --> 00:46:36,520 Speaker 1: nine what players were doing. Alright, how about Pierre Garcon 935 00:46:37,200 --> 00:46:41,880 Speaker 1: Ladies and gentlemen wildly undervalued Pierre go soone was one 936 00:46:41,880 --> 00:46:44,279 Speaker 1: of the best receivers in the league just two years ago. 937 00:46:44,600 --> 00:46:47,680 Speaker 1: He is getting buried. This is where people are way 938 00:46:47,719 --> 00:46:51,200 Speaker 1: too concerned about last year's stats, which were admittedly terrible. 939 00:46:51,400 --> 00:46:53,839 Speaker 1: But take a chance on guys who are in their 940 00:46:53,880 --> 00:46:56,359 Speaker 1: prime and have shown that they can be a top 941 00:46:56,400 --> 00:47:00,400 Speaker 1: player before and that are healthy. He's not that Gruden 942 00:47:00,480 --> 00:47:03,480 Speaker 1: admitted that that Pierre Grierson did not have a big 943 00:47:03,600 --> 00:47:06,319 Speaker 1: enough rule last year, and they spent the offseason making 944 00:47:06,360 --> 00:47:08,319 Speaker 1: sure he will have a big enough ruled issue. Here 945 00:47:08,360 --> 00:47:10,360 Speaker 1: are the two people getting taken right in front of 946 00:47:10,400 --> 00:47:13,960 Speaker 1: Pierre Grison in the tenth round, Marcus Colston, who can 947 00:47:13,960 --> 00:47:17,520 Speaker 1: barely walk across the street anymore, and DeVante Parker, a 948 00:47:17,800 --> 00:47:21,080 Speaker 1: okay rookie who's not healthy at all. All right, let's 949 00:47:21,120 --> 00:47:23,800 Speaker 1: speed round through a few of these, uh, Allen Robinson 950 00:47:23,840 --> 00:47:25,799 Speaker 1: one take from each of you guys, or one take 951 00:47:25,920 --> 00:47:28,960 Speaker 1: up for each guy. I love him, breakout candidate, but 952 00:47:28,960 --> 00:47:31,520 Speaker 1: he's getting drafted way too high that often we don't 953 00:47:31,520 --> 00:47:33,759 Speaker 1: know if that offense is gonna be good. Yet overvalued, 954 00:47:33,920 --> 00:47:38,040 Speaker 1: Greg Mike Wallace undervalued. People forget Mike Wallace is a 955 00:47:38,080 --> 00:47:41,760 Speaker 1: good receiver. He's getting taken one round ahead of Charles Johnson. 956 00:47:41,960 --> 00:47:44,400 Speaker 1: What has happened? As Mark Sessler just the only person 957 00:47:44,440 --> 00:47:49,040 Speaker 1: in these fake drafts who is drafted nothing Charles Johns. 958 00:47:49,200 --> 00:47:52,040 Speaker 1: I said, who's drafted Charles Johnson one round behind Mike Wallace? 959 00:47:52,080 --> 00:47:55,480 Speaker 1: Like these two guys are somehow equal. A lot of 960 00:47:55,480 --> 00:47:58,360 Speaker 1: stink on Wallace after last year, people getting sucked in 961 00:47:58,440 --> 00:48:02,800 Speaker 1: on things. Chris westling Tavon Austin. You're buying where he's going. 962 00:48:02,880 --> 00:48:05,479 Speaker 1: He's going, It's like barely even being drafted. Rotor World 963 00:48:05,520 --> 00:48:08,040 Speaker 1: doesn't even acknowledge these corpor in But this is one 964 00:48:08,040 --> 00:48:10,560 Speaker 1: of West's weirdest takes. Though you have been waiting for 965 00:48:10,600 --> 00:48:14,480 Speaker 1: this Tavon Austin breakout for every minute of his career. 966 00:48:14,560 --> 00:48:18,279 Speaker 1: What have you seen? You are always like less indignant. 967 00:48:18,360 --> 00:48:20,360 Speaker 1: You gotta look at the tape. You know I watched 968 00:48:20,360 --> 00:48:22,640 Speaker 1: the tape. I trust it. What have you seen from 969 00:48:22,640 --> 00:48:25,160 Speaker 1: Tavon Austin on? How many times have I mentioned Tavon 970 00:48:25,200 --> 00:48:27,919 Speaker 1: Austin to you in in our entire time knowing anything 971 00:48:29,120 --> 00:48:32,200 Speaker 1: that you think? The Rams? The Rams have said he's 972 00:48:32,239 --> 00:48:35,600 Speaker 1: a starter. Rohtor World refuses to acknowledge it. He keeps starting, 973 00:48:35,600 --> 00:48:38,439 Speaker 1: he keeps making plays. They want to get him the ball, 974 00:48:38,840 --> 00:48:43,359 Speaker 1: so Eddie behind him. You know you gotta you gotta 975 00:48:43,400 --> 00:48:47,640 Speaker 1: bit on that group. Frank Signty, Private Eye, Greg Victor Cruz, 976 00:48:48,400 --> 00:48:51,440 Speaker 1: give me a break. Don't take Victor Cruise overvalued West, 977 00:48:51,520 --> 00:48:55,880 Speaker 1: Sammy Watkins undervalued. Sammy Watkins is a stud. People are 978 00:48:55,880 --> 00:48:57,480 Speaker 1: gonna find that out. I don't care if they have 979 00:48:57,520 --> 00:49:01,279 Speaker 1: a bad quarterback or not Watkins has taken fifth or 980 00:49:01,320 --> 00:49:03,360 Speaker 1: sixth round. That's one of my favorite picks in the draft. 981 00:49:03,440 --> 00:49:09,040 Speaker 1: Fantasy Outsider outside and Nelson Agolar he's overvalued, overvalued in 982 00:49:09,120 --> 00:49:10,960 Speaker 1: that off. I think that he's gonna he's gonna put 983 00:49:11,000 --> 00:49:13,640 Speaker 1: up numbers, but it might take some time. Jordan Matthews, 984 00:49:13,640 --> 00:49:15,560 Speaker 1: forget about That's what I'm talking about. Mike Wallace is 985 00:49:15,560 --> 00:49:17,680 Speaker 1: getting taken around after him. He had the worst year 986 00:49:17,719 --> 00:49:20,799 Speaker 1: of his career last year and he had two Yeah, West, 987 00:49:20,840 --> 00:49:23,120 Speaker 1: do you want to be the guy that expects Percy 988 00:49:23,160 --> 00:49:26,279 Speaker 1: Harden to stay healthy? No? And when we put his 989 00:49:26,360 --> 00:49:28,000 Speaker 1: name on this list, we didn't know he was getting 990 00:49:28,000 --> 00:49:30,279 Speaker 1: a shot for his hip and he's been He's like 991 00:49:30,320 --> 00:49:33,480 Speaker 1: the OUCHI sixty six receiver. I mean, you could at 992 00:49:33,520 --> 00:49:35,720 Speaker 1: least take a flyer on the dude, West, your boy 993 00:49:35,760 --> 00:49:39,000 Speaker 1: Brandon Cooks, he's where he should be. I think this, 994 00:49:39,160 --> 00:49:41,759 Speaker 1: But you think he's properly valued. I think he's overvalued. 995 00:49:41,880 --> 00:49:47,279 Speaker 1: Now he's gonna catch as the number thirteen receiver in 996 00:49:47,400 --> 00:49:50,240 Speaker 1: all the land. That's the guy coming off a pretty 997 00:49:50,280 --> 00:49:55,240 Speaker 1: mediocre rookie season, undersized. He's right next to Alside Jeffrey 998 00:49:55,239 --> 00:49:58,480 Speaker 1: and he was on pace for ninety receptions as a rookie. 999 00:49:58,480 --> 00:50:01,440 Speaker 1: Before he got got outside, Jeffrey had inside towering over him. 1000 00:50:01,560 --> 00:50:03,600 Speaker 1: You got DeAndre on the other side. I'm taking those two. 1001 00:50:03,680 --> 00:50:05,080 Speaker 1: I don't have problem with Cooks where he is in 1002 00:50:05,160 --> 00:50:08,080 Speaker 1: this list. No, I like Cooks. Finally, Greg Dre d 1003 00:50:08,680 --> 00:50:12,640 Speaker 1: Andrew Johnson. Andre Johnson is undervalued. He's not cool anymore. 1004 00:50:12,680 --> 00:50:15,120 Speaker 1: Somehow playing with Andrew Luck in that offense is not 1005 00:50:15,200 --> 00:50:16,560 Speaker 1: a good thing for him. I don't get I don't 1006 00:50:16,600 --> 00:50:19,320 Speaker 1: get back. People are taking Amari Cooper over him before 1007 00:50:19,600 --> 00:50:21,560 Speaker 1: before we go back to the Sessi's corner for one 1008 00:50:21,560 --> 00:50:23,719 Speaker 1: more time, and maybe I missheard just pull him back 1009 00:50:23,760 --> 00:50:26,080 Speaker 1: the curtain in my ear TD, did you say t 1010 00:50:26,239 --> 00:50:29,080 Speaker 1: D sports car? Yeah, it's a callback so the start 1011 00:50:29,080 --> 00:50:31,000 Speaker 1: of the episode. Wait, but what was I missed? What 1012 00:50:31,080 --> 00:50:36,080 Speaker 1: it meant? Value? Other value? Oh? It doesn't exist out 1013 00:50:36,120 --> 00:50:39,879 Speaker 1: there all right? TD sports car overvalued. I've never seen 1014 00:50:40,000 --> 00:50:43,560 Speaker 1: I like the once I drove off the lot. Definitely overvalued, undervalued. 1015 00:50:43,560 --> 00:50:46,720 Speaker 1: It's getting mentioned on an international podcast when it doesn't exist. 1016 00:50:46,880 --> 00:50:49,520 Speaker 1: You're like Dez Bryan Bryan buying Bugatti. He's like the 1017 00:50:49,560 --> 00:50:52,279 Speaker 1: second he gets his contract. This happened the day after 1018 00:50:52,320 --> 00:50:54,919 Speaker 1: you got your promotion or when did this happen? Let's 1019 00:50:54,920 --> 00:50:58,000 Speaker 1: just move on, guys, corner t D Dale's meth dot 1020 00:50:58,080 --> 00:51:02,640 Speaker 1: Com backslash members. Here we go back to the corner allegedly. 1021 00:51:03,160 --> 00:51:04,759 Speaker 1: All right, listen, I you know I'm gonna keep this 1022 00:51:04,800 --> 00:51:07,719 Speaker 1: one up here. All right, we're back. We're heading back 1023 00:51:07,719 --> 00:51:11,400 Speaker 1: to the corner, back to his music. This guy he 1024 00:51:11,560 --> 00:51:14,000 Speaker 1: just put out the cigarette, put it out with his boot, 1025 00:51:14,160 --> 00:51:17,440 Speaker 1: and now he's ready to dispense more fantasy analysis. Well, 1026 00:51:17,440 --> 00:51:19,120 Speaker 1: this is something that annoys me and one of the 1027 00:51:19,120 --> 00:51:22,719 Speaker 1: reasons I jumped out of fantasy. Okay, you're still in, 1028 00:51:22,800 --> 00:51:25,239 Speaker 1: but yeah, Well in our last show we talked about it. 1029 00:51:25,320 --> 00:51:27,440 Speaker 1: You know, it's clear that anyone who's in five or 1030 00:51:27,440 --> 00:51:30,040 Speaker 1: more fantasy leagues they need to seek help now, and 1031 00:51:30,080 --> 00:51:32,160 Speaker 1: we care about you seek help. But today I want 1032 00:51:32,160 --> 00:51:35,520 Speaker 1: to talk about another massive Fantasy no no, and that 1033 00:51:35,719 --> 00:51:40,319 Speaker 1: is people that draft players that you hate. Okay, I 1034 00:51:40,400 --> 00:51:42,759 Speaker 1: spent in a terrible year in Fantasy where I got 1035 00:51:42,840 --> 00:51:45,560 Speaker 1: stuck with hines Wards, my wide receiver, and it had 1036 00:51:45,600 --> 00:51:48,200 Speaker 1: to root for him to knock the Browns down week 1037 00:51:48,239 --> 00:51:50,560 Speaker 1: after week. And I can't stand hines Ward. He was 1038 00:51:50,560 --> 00:51:52,879 Speaker 1: one of I mean, I never liked watching him play, 1039 00:51:53,360 --> 00:51:57,560 Speaker 1: can't stand his smile, and get him out of there. 1040 00:51:57,680 --> 00:51:59,640 Speaker 1: It got me out of fantasy. So my thing is 1041 00:52:00,200 --> 00:52:04,040 Speaker 1: have a hate list, all right? If you play fantasy, 1042 00:52:04,280 --> 00:52:06,239 Speaker 1: this is what you do. What's a hate list? Pick 1043 00:52:06,360 --> 00:52:09,880 Speaker 1: ten players that you refuse to draft or pick up 1044 00:52:09,920 --> 00:52:13,480 Speaker 1: at any point in the season out of pure standards 1045 00:52:13,520 --> 00:52:17,560 Speaker 1: that you have in yourself and or spite. You wouldn't 1046 00:52:17,600 --> 00:52:19,319 Speaker 1: talk to these guys if you were next to him 1047 00:52:19,360 --> 00:52:21,479 Speaker 1: at the doughnut shop. That's right. Get out of these 1048 00:52:21,560 --> 00:52:24,759 Speaker 1: messy situations. Okay, I would say unless you are an 1049 00:52:24,840 --> 00:52:28,279 Speaker 1: NFL agnostic like Wes, you might not run into this 1050 00:52:28,360 --> 00:52:30,759 Speaker 1: situation as have you. I've always had hate list for 1051 00:52:30,800 --> 00:52:34,400 Speaker 1: fantasy football, then Manning, for instance. If you don't like 1052 00:52:34,520 --> 00:52:37,160 Speaker 1: the guy, compile a list just too. If someone's too 1053 00:52:37,239 --> 00:52:40,399 Speaker 1: upsetting to see succeed, stay out of it for some 1054 00:52:43,520 --> 00:52:45,920 Speaker 1: live with some pride, Live with some pride. Get a 1055 00:52:45,920 --> 00:52:47,799 Speaker 1: hate list going and stick to it and don't veer 1056 00:52:47,920 --> 00:52:51,600 Speaker 1: from it. Number one on your hate list. Mark, I 1057 00:52:51,600 --> 00:52:55,640 Speaker 1: don't play fantasy. My list is clean. I'm pure. Mark 1058 00:52:55,680 --> 00:52:57,560 Speaker 1: and I have shared a fantasy team for the past 1059 00:52:57,600 --> 00:53:00,520 Speaker 1: four years. We name it after a female that we 1060 00:53:00,640 --> 00:53:03,200 Speaker 1: find fetching every year. Mark thinks he's out this year, 1061 00:53:03,440 --> 00:53:06,520 Speaker 1: but he's still in. Well here's the reason. If you 1062 00:53:06,600 --> 00:53:08,799 Speaker 1: drop out him freezing the out of the show every week. 1063 00:53:09,040 --> 00:53:12,359 Speaker 1: Every time we draft, he's got a microphone. I get 1064 00:53:12,400 --> 00:53:16,000 Speaker 1: blamed for the entire year for anything that happened to narrative. You. 1065 00:53:16,120 --> 00:53:18,400 Speaker 1: I think people understand that Dan can bend a narrative. 1066 00:53:18,400 --> 00:53:20,279 Speaker 1: And it's like some player that Dan picked in the 1067 00:53:20,320 --> 00:53:24,000 Speaker 1: seventh round blamed for I don't need it. All right, 1068 00:53:24,120 --> 00:53:28,000 Speaker 1: that's it for Wednesday's edition. Yeah, we head away from 1069 00:53:28,040 --> 00:53:31,279 Speaker 1: the Corner. Very disturbing place, but always fun and entertaining. Uh. 1070 00:53:31,400 --> 00:53:34,920 Speaker 1: We'll be back on Friday with one more fantasy extravaganza 1071 00:53:35,400 --> 00:53:38,160 Speaker 1: talking about the quarterbacks in our own philosophies. So make 1072 00:53:38,200 --> 00:53:39,919 Speaker 1: sure make sure I have more on that hate list 1073 00:53:40,000 --> 00:53:41,759 Speaker 1: on Friday. Okay, we'll dig into the hate list a 1074 00:53:41,760 --> 00:53:45,359 Speaker 1: little more, but until then, thank you for listening and 1075 00:53:45,600 --> 00:53:48,440 Speaker 1: watching on NFL Now and any anywhere else you can 1076 00:53:48,480 --> 00:53:50,600 Speaker 1: watch us. This is Dan Hansas signing off for the 1077 00:53:50,719 --> 00:53:54,760 Speaker 1: Quiet Storm, the Mailman, the Boss, t D and everybody 1078 00:53:54,760 --> 00:54:00,080 Speaker 1: else behind the Glass till Friday. M