1 00:00:03,200 --> 00:00:07,680 Speaker 1: Welcome to the NFL Legends Podcast, an NFL podcast for 2 00:00:07,800 --> 00:00:13,039 Speaker 1: the players, by the players. Here is your host, fourteen 3 00:00:13,160 --> 00:00:21,120 Speaker 1: year NFL veteran and Hall of Famer A. Nius Williams. Hello, 4 00:00:21,160 --> 00:00:24,320 Speaker 1: We're welcome to the NFL Legends Podcast. I'm A Nius Williams. 5 00:00:24,320 --> 00:00:28,320 Speaker 1: Today we're going to talk about something that all legends 6 00:00:28,640 --> 00:00:31,760 Speaker 1: have to deal with at one time or another. It's 7 00:00:31,840 --> 00:00:35,199 Speaker 1: something that I'm working through right now, and that's the 8 00:00:35,280 --> 00:00:39,920 Speaker 1: death of a former teammate. Sometimes it's like losing a brother. 9 00:00:40,640 --> 00:00:43,600 Speaker 1: And today we're going to talk about it with our panel. 10 00:00:44,560 --> 00:00:46,640 Speaker 1: We have a great group of legends with us today. 11 00:00:47,440 --> 00:00:51,760 Speaker 1: J B. Brown of the Dolphins and the University of Maryland. 12 00:00:52,880 --> 00:00:57,360 Speaker 1: One of the great fullbacks in NFL history, Tony Richardson, 13 00:00:57,440 --> 00:01:02,840 Speaker 1: even though he looks more like a slot receiver and 14 00:01:02,920 --> 00:01:07,679 Speaker 1: an officer and a gentleman, the great Ed Reynolds of 15 00:01:07,760 --> 00:01:12,160 Speaker 1: the Army and the Patriots, and you guys can't see him, 16 00:01:12,160 --> 00:01:14,720 Speaker 1: but he has a beautiful sweater and a grown out 17 00:01:14,800 --> 00:01:20,440 Speaker 1: beard that's great in a match. Very well and uh 18 00:01:20,520 --> 00:01:22,520 Speaker 1: and then to close it out last week, we got 19 00:01:22,520 --> 00:01:25,880 Speaker 1: the great Max Strong, who, by the way, still looks 20 00:01:25,959 --> 00:01:30,160 Speaker 1: like a full back. Another all time great full back 21 00:01:30,240 --> 00:01:33,160 Speaker 1: out of the University of Georgia. Man, you got to 22 00:01:33,440 --> 00:01:39,399 Speaker 1: Georgia backs important rules in the Super Bowl. So as 23 00:01:39,440 --> 00:01:42,080 Speaker 1: we get started, guys, the reason we decided to bring 24 00:01:42,080 --> 00:01:46,039 Speaker 1: the subject uh to light was because of recent past 25 00:01:46,120 --> 00:01:50,080 Speaker 1: and of obviously j B and I our former teammate, 26 00:01:50,200 --> 00:01:54,280 Speaker 1: but also a legend uh teammate, our brother and friend, uh, 27 00:01:54,360 --> 00:01:58,600 Speaker 1: the Great Qualmie Lasseter Kuami was a coordinated within the 28 00:01:58,680 --> 00:02:02,520 Speaker 1: NFL Legends community. And I think everyone in this room 29 00:02:03,400 --> 00:02:06,200 Speaker 1: is feeling the loss. And this isn't the first time 30 00:02:06,240 --> 00:02:09,600 Speaker 1: it's happened to me, are you guys? What does it 31 00:02:09,639 --> 00:02:11,160 Speaker 1: feel like? What do you go through as you lose 32 00:02:11,240 --> 00:02:14,480 Speaker 1: the teammate Tony start with you? Uh. You know it's 33 00:02:14,560 --> 00:02:17,040 Speaker 1: interesting because uh, you know, playing for the Kanda City Chiefs. 34 00:02:17,200 --> 00:02:19,920 Speaker 1: Uh yeah. I actually had a really good relationship with 35 00:02:20,120 --> 00:02:23,000 Speaker 1: Derrick Thomas, let Great Derrick Thomas UM so much so. 36 00:02:23,160 --> 00:02:24,959 Speaker 1: I think back to when I took my official visit 37 00:02:25,000 --> 00:02:28,519 Speaker 1: to the University of Alabama and d T was my host. Um. 38 00:02:28,600 --> 00:02:30,480 Speaker 1: You know, I remember this day like it was you know, 39 00:02:30,600 --> 00:02:33,280 Speaker 1: yesterday was I was down in Auburn finishing my degree. 40 00:02:33,720 --> 00:02:35,720 Speaker 1: I got a call from the chiefs. Um, it was 41 00:02:35,720 --> 00:02:38,200 Speaker 1: a bad accident on Highway twenty nine. Derek was heading 42 00:02:38,240 --> 00:02:40,240 Speaker 1: to the actually was heading to the Super Bowl to 43 00:02:40,240 --> 00:02:42,359 Speaker 1: watch the Rams play. I think it's a playoff game 44 00:02:42,880 --> 00:02:44,679 Speaker 1: and um and obviously heard he was in a bad 45 00:02:44,680 --> 00:02:46,440 Speaker 1: car accident. But you know the thing about it, you 46 00:02:46,560 --> 00:02:48,560 Speaker 1: just for me. Even to this day, I still think 47 00:02:48,600 --> 00:02:51,320 Speaker 1: about all the great memories. I think about, Um, you 48 00:02:51,360 --> 00:02:54,240 Speaker 1: know DT saying shorty, shady, shouty all the time, like 49 00:02:54,680 --> 00:02:56,760 Speaker 1: he really took me in as as as a younger brother, 50 00:02:56,800 --> 00:02:58,400 Speaker 1: you know what I mean, just because you know he 51 00:02:58,440 --> 00:03:00,760 Speaker 1: had that Alabama bond. I went to Abram. We always 52 00:03:00,760 --> 00:03:02,680 Speaker 1: had that rival. We always had a dollar bet on 53 00:03:02,720 --> 00:03:05,320 Speaker 1: the game. Um. Some and so when when he passed, 54 00:03:05,320 --> 00:03:08,799 Speaker 1: I was fortunate to eulogize him, and um, the best 55 00:03:08,840 --> 00:03:11,240 Speaker 1: tribute I knew I could do was to where Alabama had. 56 00:03:11,400 --> 00:03:20,560 Speaker 1: I would never put on Alabama had again. But my my, 57 00:03:20,560 --> 00:03:23,000 Speaker 1: my big brother. Yeah, it was definitely tough. But I 58 00:03:23,040 --> 00:03:24,720 Speaker 1: still thinking all the great times and the great memories 59 00:03:24,720 --> 00:03:28,080 Speaker 1: we have. Wow, what about you Mac Well, it brings 60 00:03:28,080 --> 00:03:30,760 Speaker 1: the mind just a guy that was he mean's all 61 00:03:30,800 --> 00:03:34,320 Speaker 1: pros Hall of Famer. Uh Cortez Kennedy Uh, he's a 62 00:03:34,320 --> 00:03:36,600 Speaker 1: guy that just passed away about a year or so 63 00:03:36,680 --> 00:03:40,280 Speaker 1: ago from uh, you know, just had heart complications whatever. 64 00:03:40,560 --> 00:03:42,080 Speaker 1: And he was a guy. That man. When I first 65 00:03:42,120 --> 00:03:44,360 Speaker 1: got to Seattle, I mean the year before I got there, 66 00:03:44,760 --> 00:03:48,200 Speaker 1: the team was two and fourteen, and he was the 67 00:03:48,360 --> 00:03:51,480 Speaker 1: NFL Defensive Player of the year. He had to be 68 00:03:51,520 --> 00:03:56,880 Speaker 1: a right, right, he was two and fourth he was 69 00:03:56,920 --> 00:03:59,040 Speaker 1: the defensive player of the year. That was the only 70 00:03:59,080 --> 00:04:01,440 Speaker 1: guy next to I think Steve Larger I had ever 71 00:04:01,480 --> 00:04:04,160 Speaker 1: heard of out of Seattle Bear from Georgia. And so 72 00:04:04,200 --> 00:04:06,600 Speaker 1: when I get there and uh, you know, I meet 73 00:04:06,640 --> 00:04:10,960 Speaker 1: this man who already had much respect for and you know, 74 00:04:10,960 --> 00:04:12,680 Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know how he's gonna treat me. 75 00:04:12,680 --> 00:04:14,400 Speaker 1: You know, he's gonna treat me like a rookie or whatever. 76 00:04:14,920 --> 00:04:16,880 Speaker 1: And uh, he just invited me over to his house. 77 00:04:17,360 --> 00:04:19,640 Speaker 1: You know, That's something he did like all the time 78 00:04:19,960 --> 00:04:22,480 Speaker 1: during during the summer, at the end of training camp, 79 00:04:22,480 --> 00:04:24,760 Speaker 1: he would invite all the coaches and all the players 80 00:04:25,200 --> 00:04:27,760 Speaker 1: over to his house to kind of celebrate the end 81 00:04:27,800 --> 00:04:29,760 Speaker 1: of training camp getting ready to go into the season. 82 00:04:30,320 --> 00:04:34,280 Speaker 1: And uh, just he was the nicest guy. Um, he 83 00:04:34,320 --> 00:04:37,200 Speaker 1: was very unassuming. He probably had this great, you know, 84 00:04:37,320 --> 00:04:40,800 Speaker 1: huge personality and was obviously a phenomenal player you know, 85 00:04:40,920 --> 00:04:43,520 Speaker 1: in the game, was dominant and everybody looked at him 86 00:04:43,560 --> 00:04:45,640 Speaker 1: that way. But off the field, he was a totally 87 00:04:46,200 --> 00:04:49,160 Speaker 1: different He was a general giant. And uh I played 88 00:04:49,200 --> 00:04:51,479 Speaker 1: probably with I played with him probably longer than I 89 00:04:51,520 --> 00:04:55,880 Speaker 1: played with any other uh teammate of my fifteen year career, 90 00:04:56,440 --> 00:04:59,320 Speaker 1: and uh, it was just I remember just getting a 91 00:04:59,400 --> 00:05:03,760 Speaker 1: call and just, uh, you know, just thinking to myself, Wow, man, 92 00:05:03,800 --> 00:05:05,600 Speaker 1: there's there's no way he's one of those guys you 93 00:05:05,680 --> 00:05:09,039 Speaker 1: have thought would just be around forever. He's just real 94 00:05:09,120 --> 00:05:11,680 Speaker 1: jovial or like to crack jokes all the time. And 95 00:05:11,800 --> 00:05:14,479 Speaker 1: so he's a guy that that I dearly miss, but 96 00:05:14,680 --> 00:05:17,400 Speaker 1: I appreciate just the example that he set for all 97 00:05:17,440 --> 00:05:20,400 Speaker 1: of us, Uh, just to give back to our to 98 00:05:20,440 --> 00:05:22,880 Speaker 1: our fellow players, how to be a good teammate, how 99 00:05:22,920 --> 00:05:25,080 Speaker 1: to be a good pro, and just how to live 100 00:05:25,080 --> 00:05:29,320 Speaker 1: your life the right way. Well what about you, jb Uh. 101 00:05:29,480 --> 00:05:32,680 Speaker 1: There was a stretch where I probably lost uh five 102 00:05:32,760 --> 00:05:35,359 Speaker 1: or six former teammates who had been with the Dolphins. 103 00:05:36,120 --> 00:05:38,919 Speaker 1: One of them was he played with me in the secondary. 104 00:05:38,920 --> 00:05:44,600 Speaker 1: His name was Jervis Williams. Um. But when Kwamie's wife 105 00:05:44,600 --> 00:05:47,920 Speaker 1: called me, my heart sunk. Um. I just I put 106 00:05:47,920 --> 00:05:50,120 Speaker 1: the I dropped the phone. My wife said what's wrong 107 00:05:50,160 --> 00:05:52,359 Speaker 1: and then we just sat there in silence for like 108 00:05:52,440 --> 00:05:57,560 Speaker 1: thirty minutes. So, um, it's the human side. You know. 109 00:05:57,560 --> 00:05:59,600 Speaker 1: People ask me about what I missed about playing in 110 00:05:59,600 --> 00:06:02,080 Speaker 1: the NFL, and people say, you missed the money. I said, no, 111 00:06:02,120 --> 00:06:04,120 Speaker 1: I missed the human side. I missed all that. I mean, 112 00:06:04,120 --> 00:06:06,240 Speaker 1: we spent so much time together. You know, we're in 113 00:06:06,279 --> 00:06:09,000 Speaker 1: the meetings. You know, quam Me sitting over there, crack 114 00:06:09,080 --> 00:06:12,320 Speaker 1: you know, qualmy and joke. I mean, he always had 115 00:06:12,360 --> 00:06:15,039 Speaker 1: something clever to say. So I told his wife, I said, 116 00:06:15,080 --> 00:06:17,480 Speaker 1: you know, we only played one year and we recently 117 00:06:17,600 --> 00:06:21,480 Speaker 1: reconnected in the last ten years, and it's like we 118 00:06:21,480 --> 00:06:24,159 Speaker 1: were always brothers. We always knew each other. You know. 119 00:06:24,200 --> 00:06:26,719 Speaker 1: I would talk to him like twice a week. They 120 00:06:26,839 --> 00:06:29,080 Speaker 1: just called me, did you see this? Did you see that? 121 00:06:29,160 --> 00:06:31,560 Speaker 1: You know, we just just talking. I mean it wasn't 122 00:06:31,560 --> 00:06:33,520 Speaker 1: about football or anything like that. We were just it 123 00:06:33,560 --> 00:06:36,960 Speaker 1: was the human side. So that's what I really missed. 124 00:06:39,880 --> 00:06:42,719 Speaker 1: I like, like JB. I had two teammates that I 125 00:06:42,880 --> 00:06:45,320 Speaker 1: was close to. One we played in the same position 126 00:06:45,640 --> 00:06:50,760 Speaker 1: position Larry McGrew and mostly to two po and they 127 00:06:50,800 --> 00:06:54,000 Speaker 1: both caught it. The infant called me off God because 128 00:06:54,160 --> 00:06:58,280 Speaker 1: when you didn't expect it because they were such good 129 00:06:58,320 --> 00:07:01,480 Speaker 1: people as one point, but they always stayed in shape, 130 00:07:01,520 --> 00:07:04,120 Speaker 1: you know, Larry and they both played that sea together. 131 00:07:04,560 --> 00:07:06,400 Speaker 1: And it was funny when you came to New England. 132 00:07:06,839 --> 00:07:09,400 Speaker 1: You know, going into Boston at that time was just 133 00:07:09,520 --> 00:07:12,800 Speaker 1: difficult because as a young guy, especially a young black 134 00:07:12,960 --> 00:07:15,160 Speaker 1: black guy coming into Boston, you were told the first 135 00:07:15,200 --> 00:07:17,880 Speaker 1: thing you're told when you would come in Boston and 136 00:07:18,160 --> 00:07:22,560 Speaker 1: don't go to South Boston. And then Larry and Mosley 137 00:07:22,640 --> 00:07:24,680 Speaker 1: would be there and say, look, man, it's gonna be 138 00:07:24,720 --> 00:07:27,200 Speaker 1: all right. Everything that's good. You can handle this. We 139 00:07:27,280 --> 00:07:30,920 Speaker 1: came from l A to Boston. I came from Hawaii 140 00:07:31,200 --> 00:07:35,640 Speaker 1: to Boston and was very successful and just people always 141 00:07:35,680 --> 00:07:38,200 Speaker 1: had couraging words, good guys, and I always had a 142 00:07:38,200 --> 00:07:40,920 Speaker 1: smile to give you. You know, if you ever came 143 00:07:40,960 --> 00:07:44,080 Speaker 1: in a bad move, you sit beside mostly a Larry 144 00:07:44,200 --> 00:07:46,360 Speaker 1: and your next day, you know, you're laughing. That's the 145 00:07:46,440 --> 00:07:50,080 Speaker 1: kind of individuals they were, and the way they passed 146 00:07:50,080 --> 00:07:52,880 Speaker 1: and how they passed it just caught you off guard. 147 00:07:53,080 --> 00:07:55,040 Speaker 1: And so it was similar to when j B did 148 00:07:55,120 --> 00:07:57,920 Speaker 1: called me about Acquirement, because I just got the no 149 00:07:58,080 --> 00:07:59,960 Speaker 1: correm me. But it's almost like we knew each other 150 00:08:00,000 --> 00:08:04,440 Speaker 1: a whole time because the way his personality was. But 151 00:08:04,480 --> 00:08:07,440 Speaker 1: we were also both from Virginia, so you know, we 152 00:08:07,600 --> 00:08:10,360 Speaker 1: Virginia's take practice. We're a lot, we're a lot older 153 00:08:10,400 --> 00:08:13,440 Speaker 1: than the rest of you from wherever y'all from Virginia 154 00:08:14,280 --> 00:08:19,760 Speaker 1: four Virginia was around a hundred years and for you 155 00:08:19,840 --> 00:08:25,160 Speaker 1: even the country, and Inquirement was very good at his 156 00:08:25,280 --> 00:08:30,960 Speaker 1: history and extraordinarily special individual. You know, it's interesting when 157 00:08:30,960 --> 00:08:33,880 Speaker 1: I think about the initial one obviously lately is losing 158 00:08:34,400 --> 00:08:38,520 Speaker 1: quami transitioning and j B. I I got a text 159 00:08:38,800 --> 00:08:41,400 Speaker 1: probably for a couple of my teammates, for my teammates, 160 00:08:42,559 --> 00:08:46,640 Speaker 1: and I found myself like you guys were quiet. You know, 161 00:08:46,679 --> 00:08:48,760 Speaker 1: I left the house and I just wanted I just 162 00:08:48,800 --> 00:08:53,320 Speaker 1: had my vehicle just for a while, just thinking. And 163 00:08:53,559 --> 00:08:56,080 Speaker 1: you know, we're supposed to be these strong guys man 164 00:08:57,000 --> 00:09:01,800 Speaker 1: that don't cry necessarily. And and because you played a 165 00:09:01,960 --> 00:09:07,439 Speaker 1: rough sport and just said quiet, didn't know and I'm 166 00:09:07,480 --> 00:09:09,160 Speaker 1: a pastor, and I talked about that in a second, 167 00:09:09,640 --> 00:09:11,839 Speaker 1: but it's a it's a part of life that I hate. 168 00:09:12,840 --> 00:09:15,360 Speaker 1: I really believe from scripture we were never intended to die. 169 00:09:16,200 --> 00:09:18,120 Speaker 1: So the elephant in the room in any funeral is 170 00:09:18,160 --> 00:09:23,040 Speaker 1: would never be comfortable, uh seeing people pass, and so 171 00:09:23,120 --> 00:09:24,920 Speaker 1: sitting in the car for a while, and then now 172 00:09:25,040 --> 00:09:28,319 Speaker 1: thinking the back of my teammates, uh, one of things, 173 00:09:28,440 --> 00:09:31,840 Speaker 1: all any legends that's listening just people in general. You're 174 00:09:31,880 --> 00:09:35,800 Speaker 1: gonna always remember whether it's a family member or now 175 00:09:35,880 --> 00:09:39,480 Speaker 1: our family, brothers in the brotherhood. So you think about this. 176 00:09:39,640 --> 00:09:45,320 Speaker 1: So now I go to Dave Dorson, my roommate. Uh uh, 177 00:09:45,400 --> 00:09:52,480 Speaker 1: Andrea Waters my roommate, right, Reggie White, huge impact on 178 00:09:52,640 --> 00:09:56,439 Speaker 1: my life. And then now Quami. So when I think 179 00:09:56,480 --> 00:10:00,480 Speaker 1: about that, they are going, man, are we gonna missed? 180 00:10:00,559 --> 00:10:05,120 Speaker 1: We have these emotions. I now choose to remember Dave 181 00:10:05,240 --> 00:10:08,160 Speaker 1: do her some words and niss be a professional. I 182 00:10:08,240 --> 00:10:12,120 Speaker 1: choose to remember Andre Waters and niece, you can play well, 183 00:10:12,280 --> 00:10:14,839 Speaker 1: you can you can dominate in this game. I choose 184 00:10:14,880 --> 00:10:17,800 Speaker 1: to remember Reggie White saying, man, you could still honor 185 00:10:17,880 --> 00:10:21,280 Speaker 1: God and keep Christ first. And then quam me every 186 00:10:21,320 --> 00:10:25,760 Speaker 1: time I see him, Hey, double lead this team, leave man. 187 00:10:26,880 --> 00:10:29,439 Speaker 1: So you just these things and every time I think 188 00:10:29,480 --> 00:10:33,000 Speaker 1: of them instead of thinking about them gone. There's all 189 00:10:33,000 --> 00:10:35,960 Speaker 1: of a sudden my fire has lit even more when 190 00:10:35,960 --> 00:10:38,440 Speaker 1: I said this, because as you guys were talking, I 191 00:10:38,520 --> 00:10:42,360 Speaker 1: heard each one of the voices, and that's what I 192 00:10:42,440 --> 00:10:46,680 Speaker 1: choose to to celebrate with their lives. It just quam 193 00:10:46,760 --> 00:10:49,679 Speaker 1: me every time and encourage and worry man, every time. 194 00:10:50,440 --> 00:10:53,520 Speaker 1: It's crazy. Every time. He just he just he made 195 00:10:53,520 --> 00:10:57,920 Speaker 1: me laugh. He made me think every time. And so 196 00:10:58,040 --> 00:11:01,560 Speaker 1: as we as we as we so part of the people, 197 00:11:01,600 --> 00:11:04,319 Speaker 1: the public is going to hear this, right. So the 198 00:11:04,480 --> 00:11:07,480 Speaker 1: other part now transitioning as a pastor, I go through 199 00:11:07,520 --> 00:11:10,920 Speaker 1: I just gotta call yesterday. Uh, a wife and mother 200 00:11:11,480 --> 00:11:16,199 Speaker 1: member of my church just was diagnosed now put place 201 00:11:16,240 --> 00:11:20,400 Speaker 1: in hospice. So not a husband who's been there, the 202 00:11:20,480 --> 00:11:25,040 Speaker 1: daughters and going through all of that. Uh. How important 203 00:11:25,080 --> 00:11:29,400 Speaker 1: is it the properly process our feelings when you're dealing 204 00:11:29,480 --> 00:11:32,120 Speaker 1: with with loss, because that's another thing, man, How do 205 00:11:32,160 --> 00:11:34,240 Speaker 1: you process it? To me? I think for me, it was, 206 00:11:34,760 --> 00:11:36,680 Speaker 1: you know, obviously was my faith because I you know, 207 00:11:36,720 --> 00:11:39,079 Speaker 1: I mentioned Derrick Thomas, but I also lost lou Bush, 208 00:11:39,080 --> 00:11:42,080 Speaker 1: I lost checks to mcglockner. Um, I lost Wayne Simmon 209 00:11:42,160 --> 00:11:43,880 Speaker 1: and I think for me, it's just it's a maturity 210 00:11:43,920 --> 00:11:46,800 Speaker 1: thing because I think when I was younger, um, when deed, 211 00:11:46,800 --> 00:11:49,560 Speaker 1: when Derek when he passed, it really bothered me for 212 00:11:49,600 --> 00:11:51,959 Speaker 1: a long, long long time, and it still kind of 213 00:11:52,080 --> 00:11:53,679 Speaker 1: it affects me. But like you said, it affects you 214 00:11:53,760 --> 00:11:56,360 Speaker 1: in a positive way now because you think about Derek 215 00:11:56,400 --> 00:11:58,960 Speaker 1: Thomas the person to man, and he helped me develop, 216 00:11:59,040 --> 00:12:01,920 Speaker 1: Like charity was one thing that DT did, and he 217 00:12:01,960 --> 00:12:03,559 Speaker 1: would do a lot of things where even the cameras 218 00:12:03,640 --> 00:12:05,599 Speaker 1: running around. So when I came to Kansas City, he 219 00:12:05,600 --> 00:12:08,040 Speaker 1: would like, you know, follow me, I'll show you the way. 220 00:12:08,080 --> 00:12:10,720 Speaker 1: So I think as you get older, you mature, you 221 00:12:10,800 --> 00:12:12,880 Speaker 1: just start to realize that, you know, it's a part 222 00:12:12,880 --> 00:12:14,640 Speaker 1: of life. It's a part of life. Like you said 223 00:12:14,679 --> 00:12:17,280 Speaker 1: that you never really expected for you never expected even 224 00:12:17,320 --> 00:12:20,920 Speaker 1: if you know that um, that someone is ill, even 225 00:12:20,920 --> 00:12:23,360 Speaker 1: when you get that call, it still affects you even 226 00:12:23,360 --> 00:12:25,120 Speaker 1: if you know and if you expect it. So I 227 00:12:25,120 --> 00:12:28,120 Speaker 1: think for me, it's just understanding that it's okay to be. 228 00:12:28,160 --> 00:12:30,640 Speaker 1: It's okay to cry, it's okay to share some tears, 229 00:12:30,960 --> 00:12:32,679 Speaker 1: it's okay to say hey, brother. Like me and Mac 230 00:12:32,720 --> 00:12:35,480 Speaker 1: talked just yesterday and I could tell, I could feel 231 00:12:35,520 --> 00:12:37,160 Speaker 1: that it was still was still affecting on like, hey, 232 00:12:37,160 --> 00:12:39,120 Speaker 1: but I'm here for you and that's good to open 233 00:12:39,200 --> 00:12:40,800 Speaker 1: up to. Another brother said, man, if you need a hug, 234 00:12:40,840 --> 00:12:43,439 Speaker 1: I got you back. And that's that's one thing is 235 00:12:43,480 --> 00:12:45,880 Speaker 1: I'm learning, as you know, as a forty seven year 236 00:12:45,880 --> 00:12:48,839 Speaker 1: old man. Now who I'm getting old? Getting older? Should 237 00:12:48,880 --> 00:12:59,040 Speaker 1: I say? But I did a great beard over. But 238 00:12:59,080 --> 00:13:00,679 Speaker 1: you know, as a as a you just started to 239 00:13:00,679 --> 00:13:02,760 Speaker 1: realize that forty seven years old man, I can I 240 00:13:02,760 --> 00:13:04,360 Speaker 1: can sit and I can go into my quiet place. 241 00:13:04,400 --> 00:13:07,280 Speaker 1: I can cry, um, and it's okay, and I need to. 242 00:13:07,280 --> 00:13:09,880 Speaker 1: You know, I have young nesviews. They need to see 243 00:13:10,000 --> 00:13:12,000 Speaker 1: uncle Tony crime. You know, they need to see that. 244 00:13:12,360 --> 00:13:14,760 Speaker 1: You know, it's a strong African American man. It's okay 245 00:13:14,760 --> 00:13:16,800 Speaker 1: to cry and say that, Hey, this hurt me. You know, 246 00:13:17,000 --> 00:13:23,200 Speaker 1: so jb Um, I took strength. I've taken a lot 247 00:13:23,240 --> 00:13:27,480 Speaker 1: of strength from his wife. I mean, she's she's amazing. 248 00:13:27,840 --> 00:13:29,839 Speaker 1: I thought she's amazing when Kwami was alive, I said, 249 00:13:29,880 --> 00:13:36,280 Speaker 1: because she put up with Jill. But let's let's let's 250 00:13:36,360 --> 00:13:41,320 Speaker 1: get but um, you know, handling grief, I've lost a 251 00:13:41,360 --> 00:13:43,959 Speaker 1: lot of teammates lost a lot of family members. Um, 252 00:13:44,040 --> 00:13:49,600 Speaker 1: and uh, you know it's uh, I do cry like you. 253 00:13:50,160 --> 00:13:54,079 Speaker 1: I cried when Kwamie, my wife saw me, she cried. 254 00:13:54,120 --> 00:13:58,079 Speaker 1: And when he's suppose sitting that crime. But UM, I 255 00:13:58,200 --> 00:13:59,839 Speaker 1: take from what you said in this. I remember the 256 00:14:00,640 --> 00:14:02,800 Speaker 1: good times. I remember even if they were some bad times, 257 00:14:02,840 --> 00:14:05,360 Speaker 1: I remember them too. I put it all together and 258 00:14:06,080 --> 00:14:08,840 Speaker 1: that helps me, UM deal with it big time. And 259 00:14:08,880 --> 00:14:11,600 Speaker 1: that's what I focus on. You know, when he was here, 260 00:14:11,960 --> 00:14:13,880 Speaker 1: you know what we went through, what we did, what 261 00:14:14,000 --> 00:14:16,600 Speaker 1: we talked about, all of that and M that brings 262 00:14:16,640 --> 00:14:19,720 Speaker 1: me through and I can appreciate that. It's interesting you 263 00:14:19,760 --> 00:14:23,040 Speaker 1: start thinking about you know, I have four brothers and 264 00:14:23,080 --> 00:14:26,160 Speaker 1: two sisters, and sometimes you realize that you're closer than 265 00:14:26,200 --> 00:14:28,400 Speaker 1: your teammates. Then, I mean I shared more stuff with 266 00:14:28,440 --> 00:14:32,360 Speaker 1: some of my teammates and share with my brothers. When 267 00:14:32,360 --> 00:14:34,760 Speaker 1: you think about and the bad times, like I called 268 00:14:34,800 --> 00:14:36,800 Speaker 1: my teammates sometimes before I called my brother when we 269 00:14:36,840 --> 00:14:39,760 Speaker 1: spent so much time together. Right, Yeah, I never sent 270 00:14:39,840 --> 00:14:41,800 Speaker 1: correct on that. I still do that to this day. 271 00:14:42,280 --> 00:14:46,000 Speaker 1: Stuff on my team back Mac. Yeah, I think for me, 272 00:14:46,600 --> 00:14:49,440 Speaker 1: think a couple of things come to mind. UM. Number one, 273 00:14:49,480 --> 00:14:53,360 Speaker 1: when I got the call, I cried like a baby. Honestly. 274 00:14:53,440 --> 00:14:56,840 Speaker 1: I called my wife and she thought that somebody else 275 00:14:56,880 --> 00:15:00,280 Speaker 1: in my family had passed away. She was like, oh, 276 00:15:00,800 --> 00:15:02,600 Speaker 1: tell me it's not your dad, your mom and me 277 00:15:03,480 --> 00:15:07,440 Speaker 1: because I was weeping on that level. Um. You know, 278 00:15:07,520 --> 00:15:10,320 Speaker 1: sometimes you you feel grief so deep you can't even 279 00:15:10,360 --> 00:15:13,040 Speaker 1: say anything, and all I could do was just cry. 280 00:15:13,080 --> 00:15:15,160 Speaker 1: I was like, you know, it took me about five 281 00:15:15,200 --> 00:15:18,280 Speaker 1: minutes to bring myself to say it, even say his name. 282 00:15:19,360 --> 00:15:21,800 Speaker 1: I said, no, Kwamie passed away, and I was like, 283 00:15:22,080 --> 00:15:24,680 Speaker 1: I just even to this day, I'm still trying to 284 00:15:24,680 --> 00:15:27,320 Speaker 1: wrap my mind around that, but it was It was 285 00:15:27,320 --> 00:15:31,240 Speaker 1: good for me to do that though, um, because um, 286 00:15:31,240 --> 00:15:34,240 Speaker 1: what people mean something to you. It strikes you on 287 00:15:34,280 --> 00:15:37,240 Speaker 1: the level that you don't even know that you have. 288 00:15:37,560 --> 00:15:43,120 Speaker 1: Sometimes it's so deep. And Kwamie was definitely a friend 289 00:15:43,120 --> 00:15:47,120 Speaker 1: on that level for me, and so just crying for him, 290 00:15:47,120 --> 00:15:50,000 Speaker 1: it was just it was cleansing too. I needed to. 291 00:15:50,040 --> 00:15:52,920 Speaker 1: I need to go through that. I realized that, Um, 292 00:15:52,960 --> 00:15:55,000 Speaker 1: like you said that, being you know, playing this game, 293 00:15:55,000 --> 00:15:58,360 Speaker 1: were talked to some sort of stuff our emotions. You know, 294 00:15:58,400 --> 00:16:00,240 Speaker 1: I don't even want you to bend over when you 295 00:16:00,320 --> 00:16:03,240 Speaker 1: tired because you don't want to show weakly stand up 296 00:16:03,280 --> 00:16:06,880 Speaker 1: and breathe to breathe, Like, I don't even know if 297 00:16:06,920 --> 00:16:12,640 Speaker 1: that's good for me, but okay, so but you know 298 00:16:12,680 --> 00:16:15,280 Speaker 1: it's okay to show weakness. You know it's okay too, 299 00:16:15,600 --> 00:16:17,560 Speaker 1: It's not. I don't think it's a sign of weakness. Actually, 300 00:16:17,560 --> 00:16:19,680 Speaker 1: I think it's a sign of strength. And I think 301 00:16:19,720 --> 00:16:24,040 Speaker 1: the other thing just going to quamis memorial. Um. I 302 00:16:24,120 --> 00:16:25,800 Speaker 1: was like, I was just blown the way I knew 303 00:16:25,800 --> 00:16:30,520 Speaker 1: he was leaving a powerful legacy behind just the work 304 00:16:30,560 --> 00:16:33,320 Speaker 1: he's done with the Legends community, how much he cared 305 00:16:33,320 --> 00:16:37,640 Speaker 1: about former players and making sure that they got resources 306 00:16:37,640 --> 00:16:42,160 Speaker 1: and benefits that they needed, and he did that a 307 00:16:42,160 --> 00:16:45,320 Speaker 1: lot of different ways. Um, but just all the other 308 00:16:45,360 --> 00:16:49,320 Speaker 1: things he was involved in that people celebrated, I was like, wow, 309 00:16:49,720 --> 00:16:51,640 Speaker 1: it also made me just really think about you know, 310 00:16:51,640 --> 00:16:56,120 Speaker 1: when somebody passes away, well, we can learn something from anybody. 311 00:16:56,440 --> 00:16:58,880 Speaker 1: You can. There's something's a lesson in there for all 312 00:16:58,920 --> 00:17:01,640 Speaker 1: of us whoever attend, and that that funeral, that more, 313 00:17:01,760 --> 00:17:03,880 Speaker 1: that's something in there for you, And that's what it 314 00:17:04,000 --> 00:17:06,239 Speaker 1: was for me. I was like, man, he lived his 315 00:17:06,280 --> 00:17:12,880 Speaker 1: life um for others, serving others and that really inspired me. 316 00:17:13,560 --> 00:17:15,160 Speaker 1: I was like, man, we need to do a better job. 317 00:17:15,240 --> 00:17:18,760 Speaker 1: I think even today, just letting people know how they 318 00:17:19,280 --> 00:17:22,040 Speaker 1: mean to us right now, in and now, instead of 319 00:17:22,080 --> 00:17:25,240 Speaker 1: waiting till you know they're not here anymore. You can't, 320 00:17:25,320 --> 00:17:28,440 Speaker 1: you can't say those things and just really appreciating, you know, 321 00:17:28,640 --> 00:17:30,960 Speaker 1: the good that you see in other people, you know what. 322 00:17:31,680 --> 00:17:34,480 Speaker 1: To that end, Mac to this day, all of us 323 00:17:34,560 --> 00:17:37,320 Speaker 1: who played real close from the NFL on my team 324 00:17:37,320 --> 00:17:41,280 Speaker 1: in New England and that the Giants and my family 325 00:17:41,320 --> 00:17:44,560 Speaker 1: members men, we all would never get off the phone 326 00:17:44,600 --> 00:17:47,560 Speaker 1: without saying we love you. You do that every time 327 00:17:47,600 --> 00:17:51,879 Speaker 1: I talked to you and causing looking always And I 328 00:17:51,880 --> 00:17:54,159 Speaker 1: mean I grew up in that generation. I had a 329 00:17:54,240 --> 00:17:56,560 Speaker 1: father never told us he loved it. We knew it. 330 00:17:57,240 --> 00:18:01,560 Speaker 1: He never said that, Yeah it's real. You know. One 331 00:18:01,560 --> 00:18:05,440 Speaker 1: of the things we go through various stages of emotions 332 00:18:05,640 --> 00:18:07,480 Speaker 1: when it comes down to losing love. And I have 333 00:18:07,480 --> 00:18:10,040 Speaker 1: a quick question for you guys, how do you get 334 00:18:10,080 --> 00:18:12,960 Speaker 1: yourself to laugh at the good stuff, the fun stuff, 335 00:18:13,240 --> 00:18:16,840 Speaker 1: the stuff that reminds you why you loved that teammate 336 00:18:16,960 --> 00:18:20,159 Speaker 1: a former teammate so much. It's easy for me all 337 00:18:20,200 --> 00:18:22,000 Speaker 1: I gotta do is go back to my text messages. 338 00:18:25,480 --> 00:18:29,679 Speaker 1: Kwamie was the key. You know, these those apps that 339 00:18:29,760 --> 00:18:31,639 Speaker 1: you can you know you can you can take a 340 00:18:31,640 --> 00:18:35,160 Speaker 1: picture of somebody in that draw the little stuff, all that. Man, 341 00:18:36,840 --> 00:18:41,000 Speaker 1: I swear if we somehow gather all of that, all 342 00:18:41,000 --> 00:18:45,119 Speaker 1: of those pictures of of just different Gary Cobbs sleeping 343 00:18:45,160 --> 00:18:47,800 Speaker 1: in the meat. Yeah, it's not coming out of agree, 344 00:18:47,880 --> 00:18:49,520 Speaker 1: it's not coming out of his nose and out of 345 00:18:49,560 --> 00:18:54,399 Speaker 1: his about Kwamie drew, you know, texting everybody but everybody cracking. 346 00:18:55,640 --> 00:19:01,560 Speaker 1: You had nothing better. I used to wait to catch you. 347 00:19:03,359 --> 00:19:12,960 Speaker 1: It's gonna be something good and I was like, good man. 348 00:19:13,000 --> 00:19:15,320 Speaker 1: I was like, it's gonna be something good man, I 349 00:19:15,320 --> 00:19:19,240 Speaker 1: can't wait, and uh, he just babe me laugh all 350 00:19:19,640 --> 00:19:22,320 Speaker 1: the time. If I want, if I wanted, you know, 351 00:19:22,440 --> 00:19:24,560 Speaker 1: like you said, if I want that, you think about him, 352 00:19:24,600 --> 00:19:26,760 Speaker 1: you look at him, you see I see that picture, 353 00:19:26,800 --> 00:19:30,800 Speaker 1: you start laughing because if Kuami, any time you saw 354 00:19:30,920 --> 00:19:32,920 Speaker 1: any time I saw I turned around and see qua, 355 00:19:33,080 --> 00:19:38,800 Speaker 1: I just started laughing. He said. I mean when we 356 00:19:38,800 --> 00:19:43,880 Speaker 1: were teammates, he would egg on. It was Tommy Knight 357 00:19:44,240 --> 00:19:47,119 Speaker 1: and Ty Howard and you know they would always be 358 00:19:47,200 --> 00:19:49,639 Speaker 1: arguing who's better when my staffs were better yours And 359 00:19:49,680 --> 00:19:50,960 Speaker 1: he'd be right in a minute. And then he looked 360 00:19:50,960 --> 00:19:55,280 Speaker 1: at me and started laughing. That was y'all. Remember the 361 00:19:55,320 --> 00:19:59,639 Speaker 1: meeting we had when Quambi first came the benefits you 362 00:19:59,640 --> 00:20:04,159 Speaker 1: should do. Wait, wait a minute, he said, I got it. 363 00:20:04,200 --> 00:20:06,520 Speaker 1: I got he said. He said, you can't do that. 364 00:20:06,600 --> 00:20:09,040 Speaker 1: He said, what, don't tell me what I can't do, 365 00:20:09,080 --> 00:20:13,280 Speaker 1: because I already got it. Said this is what y'all 366 00:20:13,359 --> 00:20:17,280 Speaker 1: need to do. I'll never forget that. I want to 367 00:20:17,280 --> 00:20:19,520 Speaker 1: talk to Karms. Tell me about that benefit because he 368 00:20:19,600 --> 00:20:23,520 Speaker 1: explained it better than the benefits guys, And I was like, yeah, 369 00:20:23,560 --> 00:20:25,359 Speaker 1: this is He's a great asset to our team. And 370 00:20:25,359 --> 00:20:27,320 Speaker 1: he said, you can fill it out yourself. He said, 371 00:20:27,320 --> 00:20:31,200 Speaker 1: you're right, you can fill it out yourself. Quick question, 372 00:20:31,320 --> 00:20:33,720 Speaker 1: is there a specific story you like to share about 373 00:20:33,800 --> 00:20:36,840 Speaker 1: having going through this in the past, And his story 374 00:20:36,920 --> 00:20:41,640 Speaker 1: comes come to minding and you guys, you know, when 375 00:20:41,640 --> 00:20:44,040 Speaker 1: I think about Reggie White, I think about as big 376 00:20:44,080 --> 00:20:46,480 Speaker 1: as he was. He was a preacher of the gospel 377 00:20:47,119 --> 00:20:49,199 Speaker 1: and he's walking around. They told me sometimes in the 378 00:20:49,200 --> 00:20:52,600 Speaker 1: locker room in Philadelphia with the Bible and a towel, 379 00:20:52,600 --> 00:20:57,719 Speaker 1: wrapped around him and uh, his imposing figures like you know, 380 00:20:58,520 --> 00:21:01,159 Speaker 1: are you gonna get saved? You're gonna let him get 381 00:21:01,160 --> 00:21:04,800 Speaker 1: ahole of you? Whats which one? You understand? So many 382 00:21:04,880 --> 00:21:09,199 Speaker 1: lives that that I can just see him and uh 383 00:21:09,359 --> 00:21:14,199 Speaker 1: at the Pro Bowl baptized and Larry Centers. Uh Ed 384 00:21:14,400 --> 00:21:16,960 Speaker 1: was working at NFL security at that time. That was 385 00:21:17,080 --> 00:21:20,840 Speaker 1: an amazing time. That's a story and probably another podcast 386 00:21:20,920 --> 00:21:27,280 Speaker 1: in and of itself. Absolutely, but any stories come to mind. Guys, Well, 387 00:21:27,280 --> 00:21:34,080 Speaker 1: I think what um Cortez? I mean just general Giant, Yeah, yeah, 388 00:21:34,119 --> 00:21:37,159 Speaker 1: I mean he looked at him the way he played 389 00:21:37,320 --> 00:21:38,840 Speaker 1: and then you see him out the feed like two 390 00:21:38,840 --> 00:21:43,280 Speaker 1: different people. I mean, but he was just a guy 391 00:21:43,400 --> 00:21:47,560 Speaker 1: that I think anybody can relate to. Um. You know, 392 00:21:47,600 --> 00:21:50,560 Speaker 1: sometimes we can only we sometimes we get in circles 393 00:21:50,600 --> 00:21:52,800 Speaker 1: and we can talk. You know, we have our football speaker. 394 00:21:52,880 --> 00:21:57,920 Speaker 1: We talked telling stories and people who aren't necessarily who've 395 00:21:57,960 --> 00:22:00,400 Speaker 1: never played the game, they've never been in the locker 396 00:22:00,480 --> 00:22:03,560 Speaker 1: room or been in a huddle. It sounds far into them. 397 00:22:03,680 --> 00:22:05,520 Speaker 1: My wife would be like that sometimes she Oh, you 398 00:22:05,600 --> 00:22:09,320 Speaker 1: get you with your friends, I'm gonna take off minutes 399 00:22:09,359 --> 00:22:11,720 Speaker 1: later before I get your back. You know what I'm saying. 400 00:22:12,160 --> 00:22:17,680 Speaker 1: But had an opportunity and he really saw people like 401 00:22:17,680 --> 00:22:20,320 Speaker 1: like that and he would just bring them into the conversation, 402 00:22:20,920 --> 00:22:22,760 Speaker 1: make them a part of it. Well, they didn't they 403 00:22:22,760 --> 00:22:25,120 Speaker 1: didn't feel like outside, oh that's those guys over there, 404 00:22:25,160 --> 00:22:28,399 Speaker 1: that's you know, pro football players or what that teammates. 405 00:22:28,960 --> 00:22:31,040 Speaker 1: He would bring them in and make them not make 406 00:22:31,080 --> 00:22:36,440 Speaker 1: them feel ostracized or left out. And I remember I 407 00:22:36,520 --> 00:22:38,640 Speaker 1: used to just take note of that, and I was like, man, 408 00:22:38,640 --> 00:22:40,359 Speaker 1: that's what That's how I want to be. You know, 409 00:22:40,440 --> 00:22:42,280 Speaker 1: you you can make a decision and what type of player, 410 00:22:42,359 --> 00:22:44,960 Speaker 1: what type of person you want to be sometimes and 411 00:22:45,000 --> 00:22:46,560 Speaker 1: I just watching him do that, I was like, that, 412 00:22:46,680 --> 00:22:48,920 Speaker 1: that's how I want to be. I want to hopefully 413 00:22:49,000 --> 00:22:51,399 Speaker 1: be able to help it bring in not just relate 414 00:22:51,440 --> 00:22:53,640 Speaker 1: to people who are like me, for people who don't 415 00:22:53,720 --> 00:22:57,760 Speaker 1: understand me, who aren't like me. So, you know, j B, 416 00:22:58,000 --> 00:23:00,680 Speaker 1: what what would be your advice to let who are 417 00:23:00,680 --> 00:23:05,560 Speaker 1: currently going through something like this are well eventually go 418 00:23:05,680 --> 00:23:10,800 Speaker 1: through something like this. Yeah, maximize the presents, you know, uh, 419 00:23:10,960 --> 00:23:14,560 Speaker 1: you know, take every relationship that you have, UM, and 420 00:23:14,640 --> 00:23:18,240 Speaker 1: uh maximize you know, love on people, UM and just 421 00:23:18,520 --> 00:23:23,160 Speaker 1: you know, I think I appreciate the NFL more now 422 00:23:23,200 --> 00:23:25,840 Speaker 1: than when I play because of stuff like this, and 423 00:23:25,880 --> 00:23:27,480 Speaker 1: because of the brotherhood. You want to come to the 424 00:23:27,520 --> 00:23:30,080 Speaker 1: super Bowl, I want to go to events how everybody 425 00:23:30,119 --> 00:23:32,040 Speaker 1: just you know, it just warms your heart when you 426 00:23:32,240 --> 00:23:35,320 Speaker 1: just get together. We laugh, we joke, we talk about 427 00:23:35,320 --> 00:23:38,200 Speaker 1: our health, we talk about our kids, we talk about 428 00:23:38,280 --> 00:23:41,080 Speaker 1: what's going on in our lives, and we extend to 429 00:23:41,200 --> 00:23:44,800 Speaker 1: one another, you know, and we stay in touch. And 430 00:23:44,880 --> 00:23:46,800 Speaker 1: that's the advice, you know, just love on one another. 431 00:23:46,920 --> 00:23:49,600 Speaker 1: And um, you know, it's the human side to this 432 00:23:50,040 --> 00:23:53,320 Speaker 1: is much more than the human and the the social 433 00:23:53,440 --> 00:23:56,040 Speaker 1: and the spiritual side is much more to this than 434 00:23:56,160 --> 00:23:58,720 Speaker 1: the physical side actually playing the game to me, So 435 00:23:59,280 --> 00:24:03,639 Speaker 1: you know, Tony, when it comes down to, uh, what 436 00:24:03,840 --> 00:24:06,520 Speaker 1: you go through in terms of how is the Legends 437 00:24:06,560 --> 00:24:10,359 Speaker 1: community and just what ja I think? I think, I 438 00:24:10,440 --> 00:24:12,639 Speaker 1: think that's what you're doing. Just going to say that 439 00:24:12,800 --> 00:24:15,360 Speaker 1: this is it allows you to teach you to lean 440 00:24:15,400 --> 00:24:18,080 Speaker 1: on your brotherhood. Because the thing about it, like we're 441 00:24:18,080 --> 00:24:21,080 Speaker 1: in Atlanta down and we're obviously this is where a 442 00:24:21,080 --> 00:24:23,480 Speaker 1: big heat mat as a number of brothers that you know, 443 00:24:23,840 --> 00:24:26,960 Speaker 1: players that live here, and you just realize, like man, 444 00:24:27,040 --> 00:24:28,720 Speaker 1: we might not. I might I might see some guys 445 00:24:28,720 --> 00:24:31,159 Speaker 1: I ain't seen in five or six years, but I 446 00:24:31,200 --> 00:24:34,600 Speaker 1: still remember, and we still tell those stories and we 447 00:24:34,680 --> 00:24:36,720 Speaker 1: think about that brotherhood that we shared. I think that's 448 00:24:36,720 --> 00:24:38,840 Speaker 1: the thing that we created with the Legends community, is 449 00:24:38,880 --> 00:24:41,439 Speaker 1: that that we could we should lean on our brothers, 450 00:24:41,480 --> 00:24:44,200 Speaker 1: because no one else in the world understands like two 451 00:24:44,240 --> 00:24:46,119 Speaker 1: of days, Like you said, it's a whole different language, 452 00:24:46,600 --> 00:24:48,920 Speaker 1: the two of days. You know, having to go out 453 00:24:48,960 --> 00:24:51,240 Speaker 1: there with your ankle almost tore off the bone, but 454 00:24:51,320 --> 00:24:52,760 Speaker 1: guess what, You're gonna tape it up because you don't 455 00:24:52,760 --> 00:24:54,760 Speaker 1: want to let your brother down. That's the same sense 456 00:24:54,760 --> 00:24:57,600 Speaker 1: where I'm like when I saw Mac yesterday and thankfully 457 00:24:57,600 --> 00:24:59,879 Speaker 1: we were in the hallway by ourselves, I could feel it, 458 00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:01,520 Speaker 1: can feel his pain. I was just like, man, I'm 459 00:25:01,560 --> 00:25:03,199 Speaker 1: here for you, bro, you know what I mean. And 460 00:25:03,200 --> 00:25:05,440 Speaker 1: that's the thing that we need to just continue to 461 00:25:05,440 --> 00:25:07,720 Speaker 1: to build and say, man, you know what, You've already 462 00:25:07,720 --> 00:25:09,679 Speaker 1: paid the price that it costs nothing to be a 463 00:25:09,680 --> 00:25:12,000 Speaker 1: part of his brotherhood. You've already paid the price that's 464 00:25:12,000 --> 00:25:13,960 Speaker 1: from your blood. At the time you signed that contract. 465 00:25:14,160 --> 00:25:16,600 Speaker 1: Tommy did a two days maybe the time I had 466 00:25:16,600 --> 00:25:22,920 Speaker 1: to knock you out. But yeah, I was saying love, 467 00:25:23,080 --> 00:25:26,119 Speaker 1: you can have a Barbecui sandwich after the game by bad, 468 00:25:26,200 --> 00:25:27,480 Speaker 1: But right now I don't have to go ahead and 469 00:25:27,480 --> 00:25:30,000 Speaker 1: give you one. But the brotherhood I want to say 470 00:25:30,000 --> 00:25:31,600 Speaker 1: this too. When I played you Arizona, I was only 471 00:25:31,640 --> 00:25:33,439 Speaker 1: that one year, but I learned from a niss On 472 00:25:33,680 --> 00:25:35,399 Speaker 1: how to do just that, how to love on your 473 00:25:35,400 --> 00:25:38,320 Speaker 1: teammates and how to show them that you genuinely cared. 474 00:25:38,320 --> 00:25:41,320 Speaker 1: This guy genuinely cared about all of us, and you 475 00:25:41,440 --> 00:25:45,639 Speaker 1: taught me something that was dead. Of course, is the 476 00:25:45,680 --> 00:25:50,040 Speaker 1: other thing. How do it's one thing us? How has 477 00:25:50,119 --> 00:25:52,840 Speaker 1: connected with Legends and the Legends community. How do you 478 00:25:52,880 --> 00:25:56,240 Speaker 1: think it helped families get through this? Well? I think 479 00:25:57,080 --> 00:25:59,480 Speaker 1: you see the changes that it is created within that 480 00:25:59,560 --> 00:26:03,760 Speaker 1: individ is your player at that time that you look 481 00:26:03,800 --> 00:26:06,399 Speaker 1: at the spouse and they like they lit up. You know, 482 00:26:06,440 --> 00:26:09,199 Speaker 1: you gotta glow about them because they're they're so happy 483 00:26:09,240 --> 00:26:12,879 Speaker 1: to see back that person and that's in that moment, 484 00:26:13,160 --> 00:26:16,560 Speaker 1: and that has been tremendous. I mean, I've seen that 485 00:26:16,680 --> 00:26:21,320 Speaker 1: the transition, the transformations of guys coming into the Legends 486 00:26:21,320 --> 00:26:24,439 Speaker 1: lounge or they come in with their head down. You 487 00:26:24,480 --> 00:26:27,119 Speaker 1: know or they were hesitant to even do it, or 488 00:26:27,119 --> 00:26:30,000 Speaker 1: whether they deserve to be in the Legends community. And 489 00:26:30,040 --> 00:26:33,320 Speaker 1: by the time they leave, their whole different individual and 490 00:26:33,320 --> 00:26:35,239 Speaker 1: they're so at peace and they're so happy, and they 491 00:26:35,240 --> 00:26:38,800 Speaker 1: didn't realize. You don't realize what you did or accomplished 492 00:26:38,840 --> 00:26:41,560 Speaker 1: until you sit around with all the others who recognize 493 00:26:41,600 --> 00:26:44,200 Speaker 1: what you accomplished. Because you know, you said, you see 494 00:26:44,200 --> 00:26:46,280 Speaker 1: a guy like I remember you. Remember when you play, 495 00:26:46,440 --> 00:26:48,840 Speaker 1: you were tough, you're a good football player, but you 496 00:26:48,880 --> 00:26:50,800 Speaker 1: know what, I always thought you were a better person, 497 00:26:50,840 --> 00:26:53,439 Speaker 1: and then you proved me right tonight. They just light up, 498 00:26:54,680 --> 00:26:57,800 Speaker 1: and yeah, I think the other part about that that's 499 00:26:57,800 --> 00:27:01,159 Speaker 1: a great point is that you know, you you speak 500 00:27:01,200 --> 00:27:04,399 Speaker 1: life and to to other people. When you do that, 501 00:27:04,440 --> 00:27:06,640 Speaker 1: when you encourage them, you know, that's the think that's 502 00:27:06,640 --> 00:27:08,159 Speaker 1: what the Legends Commune has been about. You know, this 503 00:27:08,280 --> 00:27:11,560 Speaker 1: is just saying happy wife, happy life. You know, they 504 00:27:11,600 --> 00:27:14,280 Speaker 1: should have some kind of saying for happy husband or 505 00:27:14,320 --> 00:27:18,560 Speaker 1: something like that, because we create the atmosphere in our homes. 506 00:27:19,080 --> 00:27:22,639 Speaker 1: We just do just because we have that intensity and 507 00:27:22,680 --> 00:27:26,560 Speaker 1: we have that leadership just even ordained by God. And 508 00:27:26,720 --> 00:27:30,280 Speaker 1: I think as we go, so go our families. I mean, 509 00:27:30,480 --> 00:27:33,720 Speaker 1: if we're we're happy, wife's gonna be happy, kids are 510 00:27:33,720 --> 00:27:37,040 Speaker 1: gonna be doing well. I mean, things are not gonna 511 00:27:37,040 --> 00:27:40,320 Speaker 1: be perfect, but that individual, as long as we can 512 00:27:40,359 --> 00:27:43,560 Speaker 1: build that guy up, it makes all the difference in 513 00:27:43,560 --> 00:27:46,960 Speaker 1: the world to his family. Wow. I want to thank 514 00:27:47,000 --> 00:27:49,720 Speaker 1: each of you guys for the honesty about such a 515 00:27:49,760 --> 00:27:53,200 Speaker 1: tough subject. This is the reason we do these podcasts 516 00:27:53,760 --> 00:27:56,520 Speaker 1: to talk about not only the good stuff, but the 517 00:27:56,680 --> 00:28:00,639 Speaker 1: tough stuff that all legends go through. Thank for listening. 518 00:28:01,080 --> 00:28:07,080 Speaker 1: The best is yet to come. Appreciate you guys, right. 519 00:28:10,800 --> 00:28:14,800 Speaker 1: This has been the NFL Legends podcast. To provide feedback 520 00:28:14,880 --> 00:28:18,080 Speaker 1: or request a topic for discussion, email us at NFL 521 00:28:18,200 --> 00:28:30,080 Speaker 1: Legends at nfl dot com.