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Speaker 1: Hey, everyone, welcome back to Bachler Happy Hour. I'm Joe

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Speaker 1: and we are here today with Justin Glaize.

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Speaker 2: Justin. I love when I could just say the last

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Speaker 2: name and just smooth.

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Speaker 3: You have a good name.

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Speaker 2: Welcome, Welcome to Bachler Happy Hour.

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Speaker 4: Thanks for having me, guys.

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Speaker 1: Of course, I think this is uh, I don't know,

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Speaker 1: is this the first time that you've I've we've ever

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Speaker 1: been across from each other on a podcast.

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Speaker 4: It actually maybe I'm thinking about it. Yeah, just shocking.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we'll see how this goes.

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Speaker 2: Okay, so you.

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Speaker 1: Go back on Bachelor in Paradise. This is your Is

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Speaker 1: this your second or third time on the show?

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Speaker 5: Me like that, Joe second, Okay, that's what I thought.

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Speaker 2: That's that's what I thought.

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Speaker 1: I was like, pretty sure, but things got a little

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Speaker 1: mixed up because we had that fucking season off.

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Speaker 2: So I was like, you know, you.

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Speaker 3: You also on your season of Paradise, you left and

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Speaker 3: then you came back.

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Speaker 2: That's what it is.

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Speaker 6: That's what it is.

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Speaker 1: Fair fair, fair, Yeah, I mean technically, I mean listen,

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Speaker 1: I went on twice as well, so I have no

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Speaker 1: room to.

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Speaker 2: Speak not as well.

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Speaker 3: You're the only one here that went on twice. Huh,

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Speaker 3: you're the only one here that went on twice.

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Speaker 2: Well Justin went on.

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Speaker 3: No, he went on one time. He's only been on

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Speaker 3: Paradise once.

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Speaker 2: Well, now he's been on twenty Oh.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, sorry, we're a little brain fried.

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Speaker 1: What was so we know that you were in a

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Speaker 1: relationship with Susie prior to going on I guess just

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Speaker 1: before going on becheler in Paradise? What made you want

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Speaker 1: to go on? I mean you you're single at this point.

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Speaker 1: You guys had a break up. How long ago was

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Speaker 1: the breakup prior to going on the show?

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Speaker 3: Uh?

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Speaker 5: So we broke up in June of twenty twenty four, I.

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Speaker 7: Guess that would have been right, and then we like

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Speaker 7: kind of semi.

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Speaker 5: Got back together, but we kept things like super private,

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Speaker 5: so we you know, kind of tried things out for

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Speaker 5: a few months after that and then officially broke up. Well,

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Speaker 5: we were broken up for several months after June, like

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Speaker 5: through late fall, early winter, and then got back together

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Speaker 5: for a little bit and then broke up early at

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Speaker 5: the like the beginning of the year.

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Speaker 1: Okay, okay, And were you in a space where you're like,

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Speaker 1: I'm ready to start dating potentially get engaged.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean I had after that breakup, I hadn't

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Speaker 5: put a lot of work in on myself, you know,

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Speaker 5: even through dating Susie. You know, we were in couples therapy,

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Speaker 5: individual therapy and stuff like that.

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Speaker 4: So it felt like I.

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Speaker 5: Had made a lot of changes to myself, you know,

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Speaker 5: my way of thinking, my lifestyle, and so yeah, I

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Speaker 5: felt as ready as I've ever felt were another serious

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Speaker 5: as serious as my relationship was with Susie, you know,

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Speaker 5: where we were having conversations about marriage and kids and

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Speaker 5: things like that. It's the first relationship I've been in

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Speaker 5: were going to happen, you know, in my life. And

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Speaker 5: so you couple that with the work that I put

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Speaker 5: in on myself, I definitely I felt like I was

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Speaker 3: Going into paradise, you're ready for that next stage of life.

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Speaker 3: Was there any other preparation you did or anything you

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Speaker 3: did to get ready for it? And then was your

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Speaker 3: hope to find the person that you will spend the

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Speaker 3: was that kind of what you maybe expected to find.

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Speaker 5: Well, I guess, to answer your first question, the only

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Speaker 5: other prep I mean, stayed in therapy, Uh, prep to

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Speaker 5: got a trainer, you know, got to get yourself right.

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Speaker 4: And then honestly, I was just so focused.

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Speaker 5: So I was just like staying busy with work, working out, painting,

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Speaker 5: Like I didn't give them any names of who I

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Speaker 4: Like I really didn't care.

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Speaker 5: You know, I knew what my intentions were going in

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Speaker 5: and if somebody matched up with that, great, and if not,

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Speaker 5: it was like, I'll see myself.

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Speaker 4: Out of here and get back to life.

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Speaker 2: What why did you and Sissie break up?

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Speaker 5: You know, there were a lot of little things that

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Speaker 5: and I think it actually kind of made the breakup tougher.

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Speaker 5: I feel like it's almost easier when somebody does something

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Speaker 5: is why we broke up, right, But you know, it's

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Speaker 5: odd and it's hard because as similar of people as

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Speaker 5: Susie and I are, Like, I've never been more compatible

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Speaker 5: And I think that, you know, it's a result of

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Speaker 4: Both which are different between me and Susie, you know.

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Speaker 5: Our upbringings and our relationship backgrounds which have molded like who.

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Speaker 4: We each individually are.

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Speaker 5: And so you know, I think we had a hard

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Speaker 5: I'm a very logical person, for instance, and she's a

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Speaker 2: Right.

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Speaker 5: So it's like two people can be so similar and

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Speaker 4: And that's kind of the point that we got to.

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Speaker 4: And like I said to me, it's almost.

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Speaker 5: Harder because it's like, damn, like we're this close, you know,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's tough. Would you say the breakup was more

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Speaker 5: I mean we had definitely you know, again, there's I

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Speaker 5: like that, right, and so I you know, and I

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Speaker 5: don't think either is better or worse, right, Like I

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Speaker 5: and what you need at a certain in your life,

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Speaker 5: I guess, but you know, I sorry, that's a long

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Speaker 5: winded answer. More more or less it was it was mutual.

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Speaker 5: I mean, Susie brought up the conversation, you know, like

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Speaker 5: I'm like, oh, we can get through it. We can

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Speaker 5: for me, I hold such high value in like what

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Speaker 5: I call like that X factor of just being best friends.

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Speaker 5: Right Like Susie's my best friend, and I've never had

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Speaker 5: a relationship like that, and I know that I need

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Speaker 8: And so.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, but ultimately it.

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Speaker 5: Was like nobody was like blindsided, like oh my god,

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Speaker 5: like where's this coming from. It was kind of like

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, okay. So you pivoting to first day of Paradise,

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Speaker 1: there my head, I would panic. That was like, what

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Speaker 1: the fuck am I doing back here?

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Speaker 2: Where?

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Speaker 1: Where is your headspace? When you're like down, You're like,

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Speaker 1: all right here I am. And it's also it's a

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Speaker 1: new format, So did that that like make you feel better?

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Speaker 2: New location? Everything like that?

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Speaker 4: It's funny.

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Speaker 5: I actually just saw earlier today somebody said that Justin

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Speaker 5: was giving Joe first day on the beach, because that's

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Speaker 5: exactly how I felt.

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Speaker 4: I was like, bro, what is this?

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Speaker 5: I mean, honestly, the new format was cool, right, Like

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Speaker 5: I mean it was the air conditioning. They had me

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Speaker 5: I'm good. It was interesting, I mean format wise, it

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Speaker 5: like the og location. It was weird, like we barely

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Speaker 3: You know, you're saying it's giving like Bachelor in Resort,

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Speaker 5: No, totally, like there you know, the day beds on

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Speaker 3: Was nobody in the last like wow, exactly.

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Speaker 4: So the location was cool. But I remember when I

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Speaker 7: You know, I really had only known Jonathan, you know, everyone.

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Speaker 5: Else I had never I mean, well Kyle was on

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Speaker 5: So I really kind of felt like an outcast. I

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Speaker 5: where is everyone?

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Speaker 2: You know?

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Speaker 4: I just I felt so out of place.

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Speaker 2: Yeah that's so, that's that's a tough that's a tough place. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Okay, so then you kind of you hit it off

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Speaker 3: Who are you chatting with other than Lexi? Like who

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Speaker 7: Yeah, so I've really only pulled Lexi and Alex.

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Speaker 4: When I knew I had a date card going in.

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Speaker 5: So I was like, okay, I need to like put

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Speaker 5: mean I had kind of like side conversations with people,

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Speaker 4: That's really what I was trying to do on that date.

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Speaker 5: So she had told me a couple Yeah, she had

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and we definitely see that Lexi is struggling with

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Speaker 5: You know, it's not something I would want to be

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Speaker 4: Like, hey, let's call it what it like.

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Speaker 2: Like?

443
00:20:58,040 --> 00:20:59,959
Speaker 5: And without that communication, it was hard for me to know,

444
00:21:00,359 --> 00:21:02,520
Speaker 5: and so eventually I did bring it up, but I

445
00:21:02,520 --> 00:21:04,040
Speaker 5: think it was after this conversation.

446
00:21:04,160 --> 00:21:05,960
Speaker 4: So all those things that I was kind of making

447
00:21:06,000 --> 00:21:06,400
Speaker 4: note of.

448
00:21:06,440 --> 00:21:08,800
Speaker 5: And like kind of side comments about maybe waiting for

449
00:21:08,840 --> 00:21:10,639
Speaker 5: other guys to come, they were all kind of adding

450
00:21:10,720 --> 00:21:13,480
Speaker 5: up where it didn't come out of nowhere to me,

451
00:21:13,560 --> 00:21:16,840
Speaker 5: but it still caught me by surprise, like all right, like,

452
00:21:16,880 --> 00:21:19,439
Speaker 5: I guess, you know this is this is weird, but

453
00:21:19,480 --> 00:21:21,080
Speaker 5: I understand where you're coming from.

454
00:21:21,119 --> 00:21:21,520
Speaker 4: I think the.

455
00:21:23,320 --> 00:21:27,000
Speaker 5: More difficult part of that conversation for me was, you know,

456
00:21:27,040 --> 00:21:30,160
Speaker 5: I understand the trepidation as it relates to Susie coming in.

457
00:21:30,560 --> 00:21:33,880
Speaker 5: But to your point, Serena like, it then became about, well,

458
00:21:34,040 --> 00:21:36,240
Speaker 5: I know you're in La trying to grow your business,

459
00:21:36,280 --> 00:21:38,520
Speaker 5: and I'm in Atlanta, and I have no clue plans

460
00:21:38,520 --> 00:21:40,600
Speaker 5: of moving from Atlanta. I don't know if we want

461
00:21:40,640 --> 00:21:42,639
Speaker 5: the same things out of life. And so I was

462
00:21:42,680 --> 00:21:46,199
Speaker 5: kind of like, hey, your feelings are valid. I get it,

463
00:21:46,520 --> 00:21:48,600
Speaker 5: but to be fair, we haven't had those conversations. You

464
00:21:48,640 --> 00:21:51,280
Speaker 5: haven't asked me if I'm open to relocating. You haven't

465
00:21:51,320 --> 00:21:54,240
Speaker 5: asked me you know what I want out of you know, family, why,

466
00:21:54,359 --> 00:21:54,880
Speaker 5: how many kids?

467
00:21:54,920 --> 00:21:55,240
Speaker 4: Whatever?

468
00:21:55,280 --> 00:21:57,359
Speaker 5: I was like, I want to have those conversations, but

469
00:21:57,400 --> 00:21:59,679
Speaker 5: it's hard to build up to those more meaningful conversations

470
00:21:59,680 --> 00:22:02,560
Speaker 5: when you're really not around much for us to like

471
00:22:02,640 --> 00:22:05,240
Speaker 5: have those small special moments to get more comfortable with

472
00:22:05,280 --> 00:22:08,360
Speaker 5: each other, you know. And and that's where she she did,

473
00:22:08,560 --> 00:22:09,760
Speaker 5: you know, I give a credit. She was like, hey,

474
00:22:09,760 --> 00:22:12,240
Speaker 5: like sorry, like I am spiraling right now, like I'm projecting,

475
00:22:12,680 --> 00:22:14,119
Speaker 5: you know, I tend to do that, you know, And

476
00:22:14,160 --> 00:22:16,400
Speaker 5: so she apologized for and I understood. I'm like, hey,

477
00:22:16,480 --> 00:22:18,600
Speaker 5: like I get it. This is a very high stress environment.

478
00:22:19,280 --> 00:22:21,160
Speaker 5: But it did kind of that part kind of caught

479
00:22:21,200 --> 00:22:22,040
Speaker 5: me by surprise.

480
00:22:30,200 --> 00:22:34,800
Speaker 2: Was there an option for you to pivot? Like, was

481
00:22:34,840 --> 00:22:35,800
Speaker 2: there anyone else?

482
00:22:36,040 --> 00:22:39,200
Speaker 1: Like would you were you potentially like maybe I'll go

483
00:22:39,640 --> 00:22:41,159
Speaker 1: see us something's there with Alex?

484
00:22:41,320 --> 00:22:42,600
Speaker 2: Was there anyone else on the beach?

485
00:22:43,359 --> 00:22:43,560
Speaker 4: Yeah?

486
00:22:43,600 --> 00:22:46,679
Speaker 5: I mean so during that conversation as well, you know,

487
00:22:46,800 --> 00:22:49,560
Speaker 5: she made a comment where she was like, I think

488
00:22:49,600 --> 00:22:53,399
Speaker 5: that maybe you should talk to other girls. You know,

489
00:22:53,400 --> 00:22:54,960
Speaker 5: She's like, maybe I want to talk to other guys.

490
00:22:55,200 --> 00:22:57,080
Speaker 5: And I was like, hey, totally. I was like, I'm

491
00:22:57,080 --> 00:23:00,119
Speaker 5: not a psychopath. We've known each other for four days,

492
00:23:00,160 --> 00:23:02,600
Speaker 5: like you know what I mean. Feel free. But again,

493
00:23:02,640 --> 00:23:04,840
Speaker 5: it was it was a bit frustrated.

494
00:23:04,480 --> 00:23:07,040
Speaker 2: Because that conversation, that conversation was in there.

495
00:23:07,280 --> 00:23:09,800
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I told her.

496
00:23:09,880 --> 00:23:11,920
Speaker 5: I was like, I was like, hey, I trust me.

497
00:23:12,320 --> 00:23:14,320
Speaker 5: I was like, you can talk to whoever. And and

498
00:23:14,359 --> 00:23:16,520
Speaker 5: in fact, like over the course of those past couple

499
00:23:16,560 --> 00:23:20,000
Speaker 5: of days, guys were pulling her and having conversations, but

500
00:23:20,080 --> 00:23:22,960
Speaker 5: after every conversation she would come back to me, which

501
00:23:22,960 --> 00:23:25,560
Speaker 5: was reassuring to me. And you know, new guys would

502
00:23:25,600 --> 00:23:26,600
Speaker 5: come in or you know.

503
00:23:26,640 --> 00:23:27,240
Speaker 4: Sam came in.

504
00:23:27,320 --> 00:23:29,200
Speaker 5: I was like, oh, like I could see him taking

505
00:23:29,240 --> 00:23:31,040
Speaker 5: you on a date and She's like, oh, dear God,

506
00:23:31,040 --> 00:23:32,600
Speaker 5: please know you know. So she would make comments where

507
00:23:32,600 --> 00:23:34,200
Speaker 5: I'm like, oh, maybe she's not interested in people.

508
00:23:34,560 --> 00:23:37,760
Speaker 4: I don't know. I thought, you know, I don't know,

509
00:23:37,800 --> 00:23:38,560
Speaker 4: But I told her.

510
00:23:38,600 --> 00:23:42,000
Speaker 5: I was like, hey, like I know myself, I'm genuinely

511
00:23:42,040 --> 00:23:44,399
Speaker 5: just not interested, not because I'm like latching on to you,

512
00:23:44,440 --> 00:23:46,880
Speaker 5: Like I'm genuinely just not interested in anyone else here.

513
00:23:47,200 --> 00:23:49,080
Speaker 5: Not to say that if new girls came in that

514
00:23:49,160 --> 00:23:51,840
Speaker 5: I wouldn't explore, Like, I'm being realistic and honest with you,

515
00:23:52,119 --> 00:23:54,280
Speaker 5: but I also I'm not going to just force myself

516
00:23:54,280 --> 00:23:55,439
Speaker 5: to talk to somebody that I know I'm not going

517
00:23:55,480 --> 00:23:55,960
Speaker 5: to be interested in.

518
00:23:56,000 --> 00:23:56,800
Speaker 4: I'm not going to waste my.

519
00:23:56,760 --> 00:23:59,280
Speaker 5: Time right and there's nobody here that I see a

520
00:23:59,359 --> 00:24:03,760
Speaker 5: romantic connection aside from you, So why even divert my

521
00:24:03,800 --> 00:24:06,880
Speaker 5: attention and go off? I was like, but that being said,

522
00:24:06,960 --> 00:24:09,080
Speaker 5: just let me know what you need from me to

523
00:24:09,160 --> 00:24:11,440
Speaker 5: show you that I'm still interested, while also giving you

524
00:24:11,440 --> 00:24:13,640
Speaker 5: your space to do whatever you want to do.

525
00:24:14,160 --> 00:24:15,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that's fair.

526
00:24:16,880 --> 00:24:20,000
Speaker 1: Okay, so Susie's down there, you guys end up having

527
00:24:20,960 --> 00:24:24,080
Speaker 1: like a heartfelt conversation. She tears up a little bit.

528
00:24:25,280 --> 00:24:26,760
Speaker 1: What does that do to your headspace.

529
00:24:29,800 --> 00:24:34,040
Speaker 5: I mean it was definitely sad as predicted, right, Like

530
00:24:34,080 --> 00:24:36,840
Speaker 5: it was. On one hand, it was great to see

531
00:24:36,840 --> 00:24:39,720
Speaker 5: a familiar face, right, you know, it was kind of

532
00:24:39,800 --> 00:24:42,800
Speaker 5: like that best friendship doesn't leave, right, you know, we're

533
00:24:42,800 --> 00:24:45,679
Speaker 5: no longer romantically involved, but it's like we still got

534
00:24:45,720 --> 00:24:46,639
Speaker 5: our inside jokes.

535
00:24:46,640 --> 00:24:48,720
Speaker 7: It's still it's still me and you, right, like we

536
00:24:48,760 --> 00:24:49,720
Speaker 7: know each other so well.

537
00:24:50,440 --> 00:24:52,639
Speaker 4: But again I think we were.

538
00:24:52,800 --> 00:24:54,639
Speaker 5: It was just like a conversation that needed to happen,

539
00:24:54,640 --> 00:24:56,680
Speaker 5: to break the ice and just be like, hey, we're

540
00:24:56,680 --> 00:24:57,160
Speaker 5: both here.

541
00:24:58,040 --> 00:24:58,760
Speaker 4: It is what it is.

542
00:24:58,800 --> 00:25:03,119
Speaker 5: This is gonna be tough, and so, you know, it

543
00:25:03,200 --> 00:25:08,560
Speaker 5: was definitely an emotional conversation, and I think more so

544
00:25:08,640 --> 00:25:11,879
Speaker 5: I like was just concerned about her being comfortable. I

545
00:25:11,880 --> 00:25:14,080
Speaker 5: know she like it was super awkward when she came in.

546
00:25:14,640 --> 00:25:16,920
Speaker 5: You know, I know we both had high hopes for paradise,

547
00:25:16,960 --> 00:25:19,560
Speaker 5: and at that point I was like, damn, like, it

548
00:25:19,600 --> 00:25:21,639
Speaker 5: really feels like she's getting the short into the stick already.

549
00:25:21,680 --> 00:25:22,720
Speaker 4: Like I knew Pickens were.

550
00:25:22,560 --> 00:25:24,880
Speaker 3: Slim, so I'm like, yeah, well even just the way

551
00:25:24,920 --> 00:25:28,240
Speaker 3: to feel fair, like the time and way she came

552
00:25:28,359 --> 00:25:32,280
Speaker 3: in obviously wasn't Susie's choice, like they sent her in,

553
00:25:32,359 --> 00:25:34,520
Speaker 3: but like even just like coming in at night, not

554
00:25:34,640 --> 00:25:36,480
Speaker 3: coming in like I think like morning with the date

555
00:25:36,520 --> 00:25:39,000
Speaker 3: cards always a little easier because there's no door metam. Okay,

556
00:25:39,000 --> 00:25:40,960
Speaker 3: I'm gonna pull a few people. I'm gonna take someone

557
00:25:41,040 --> 00:25:43,359
Speaker 3: like you have that structure where it's just kind of

558
00:25:43,400 --> 00:25:46,560
Speaker 3: sent into just like a free night, and I would

559
00:25:46,560 --> 00:25:49,119
Speaker 3: imagine that is hard to navigate.

560
00:25:48,920 --> 00:25:52,960
Speaker 4: Right, and like everyone's tired, like it's raining. Yeah, yeah,

561
00:25:53,080 --> 00:25:54,080
Speaker 4: this is tough.

562
00:25:54,520 --> 00:25:56,440
Speaker 2: Like how many nights did it rain? It looked like

563
00:25:56,480 --> 00:25:58,200
Speaker 2: it was raining on you guys every night.

564
00:25:58,680 --> 00:26:01,360
Speaker 3: The rain is a problem, like you've.

565
00:26:01,200 --> 00:26:04,400
Speaker 5: Read night Like we couldn't. I mean obviously my date

566
00:26:04,440 --> 00:26:09,000
Speaker 5: got canceled. All the cocktail parties at my time, like

567
00:26:09,000 --> 00:26:14,040
Speaker 5: like there wasn't a single night that wasn't affected by

568
00:26:14,080 --> 00:26:14,440
Speaker 5: the rain.

569
00:26:15,000 --> 00:26:18,159
Speaker 3: Yeah, even in like the intro credits, we see like

570
00:26:18,280 --> 00:26:21,800
Speaker 3: some people are dry and some people are in the rain.

571
00:26:22,160 --> 00:26:25,760
Speaker 5: Yeah, it was crazy astreaka rains.

572
00:26:25,920 --> 00:26:28,240
Speaker 3: All right, before we jump to the rose ceremony, can

573
00:26:28,280 --> 00:26:31,199
Speaker 3: we just quickly touch on you have a conversation with

574
00:26:31,280 --> 00:26:34,960
Speaker 3: Lexi what appears to be at the cocktail party kind

575
00:26:35,000 --> 00:26:39,679
Speaker 3: of close to the rose ceremony timing wise, where she

576
00:26:39,880 --> 00:26:41,760
Speaker 3: says like I know that I wanted to take a

577
00:26:41,760 --> 00:26:45,200
Speaker 3: step back romantically, but I talked to Susie. We see

578
00:26:45,200 --> 00:26:49,280
Speaker 3: their conversation. Susie reishures for like, nothing's weird, It's all good,

579
00:26:49,960 --> 00:26:52,159
Speaker 3: and she then says to you like, I'm back in,

580
00:26:52,440 --> 00:26:55,080
Speaker 3: like I want to keep exploring. I feel way better.

581
00:26:55,800 --> 00:26:57,800
Speaker 3: Where's your head at after that conversation.

582
00:26:59,680 --> 00:27:03,679
Speaker 5: Well, well, during the conversation, I was like, man, this

583
00:27:03,720 --> 00:27:06,640
Speaker 5: sounds great, right, like this is everything I want to hear.

584
00:27:07,359 --> 00:27:08,800
Speaker 5: And then I kind of took a step back and

585
00:27:08,800 --> 00:27:09,560
Speaker 5: I was like, wait a.

586
00:27:09,480 --> 00:27:16,800
Speaker 8: Minute for Roses tonight, Yeah, I said, so, you know,

587
00:27:16,840 --> 00:27:20,040
Speaker 8: once it kind of sank in, I was like, man, okay,

588
00:27:20,080 --> 00:27:22,320
Speaker 8: this is you know, and I didn't I think because

589
00:27:22,359 --> 00:27:25,120
Speaker 8: of the rain, Like I just didn't have an opportunity

590
00:27:25,520 --> 00:27:28,360
Speaker 8: to have a follow up conversation with.

591
00:27:28,200 --> 00:27:30,320
Speaker 4: Her to you know, and I didn't.

592
00:27:30,440 --> 00:27:32,639
Speaker 5: I didn't want to press her or anything like during

593
00:27:32,680 --> 00:27:35,560
Speaker 5: that conversation because you know, it all sounded good. But

594
00:27:36,359 --> 00:27:40,320
Speaker 5: I do remember kind of being like, okay, just twenty

595
00:27:40,320 --> 00:27:41,959
Speaker 5: four hours prior, like you wanted to put a pin

596
00:27:42,040 --> 00:27:45,040
Speaker 5: in this and it wasn't even just about this, and

597
00:27:45,119 --> 00:27:48,360
Speaker 5: I was like, I understand that you admittedly like spiraled

598
00:27:48,359 --> 00:27:50,280
Speaker 5: a bit, but it wasn't that it was just about

599
00:27:50,280 --> 00:27:53,200
Speaker 5: the Susie factor, right, It was all the other things

600
00:27:53,200 --> 00:27:55,879
Speaker 5: that got thrown out that were calls for concern on

601
00:27:56,000 --> 00:27:58,639
Speaker 5: her end, where I was like, okay, so post this

602
00:27:58,640 --> 00:28:01,000
Speaker 5: conversation with Susan that I wasn't there, so I don't

603
00:28:01,040 --> 00:28:04,479
Speaker 5: know what transpired, but like, post that conversation, now you

604
00:28:04,560 --> 00:28:09,640
Speaker 5: have no hesitation about us, like geographically relationship, like none

605
00:28:09,640 --> 00:28:10,520
Speaker 5: of them anymore.

606
00:28:11,320 --> 00:28:14,480
Speaker 4: So that that was kind of like a.

607
00:28:14,560 --> 00:28:18,439
Speaker 5: Humh moment for me of like how sudden of a

608
00:28:18,480 --> 00:28:21,240
Speaker 5: one eighty it was, you know, and it'd be different

609
00:28:21,320 --> 00:28:25,920
Speaker 5: if like I was really feeling like she was also

610
00:28:26,000 --> 00:28:28,520
Speaker 5: pursuing me and like something was there. But the whole

611
00:28:28,560 --> 00:28:31,160
Speaker 5: time it kind of felt like pulling teeth to get

612
00:28:31,200 --> 00:28:33,520
Speaker 5: something from her. And this was like I mean it's

613
00:28:33,560 --> 00:28:35,280
Speaker 5: little things, right, like this was the first time that

614
00:28:35,680 --> 00:28:37,480
Speaker 5: she threw a leg up on me or like was

615
00:28:37,600 --> 00:28:40,320
Speaker 5: kind of like physical and touchy with me, right, And

616
00:28:40,360 --> 00:28:42,840
Speaker 5: I was just like, man, like this is what I want.

617
00:28:43,000 --> 00:28:45,720
Speaker 4: But where has anything like this been this whole time?

618
00:28:46,200 --> 00:28:46,480
Speaker 2: Right?

619
00:28:47,120 --> 00:28:47,880
Speaker 4: You know you think.

620
00:28:47,720 --> 00:28:50,880
Speaker 1: If do you think if that if that had been there,

621
00:28:51,680 --> 00:28:55,400
Speaker 1: you wouldn't have done what you did by giving totally

622
00:28:55,400 --> 00:28:59,600
Speaker 1: grows totally totally, because that'll because it could be painted

623
00:28:59,640 --> 00:29:03,320
Speaker 1: as like, because Susie was going home, you felt so bad.

624
00:29:03,360 --> 00:29:06,640
Speaker 2: No matter what your connection in the house was, you were.

625
00:29:06,600 --> 00:29:08,400
Speaker 4: No no, no no.

626
00:29:08,760 --> 00:29:12,520
Speaker 5: So I mean it was such a split second decision.

627
00:29:12,920 --> 00:29:17,000
Speaker 5: But in my brain, I was like, Okay, Well, one hand,

628
00:29:17,040 --> 00:29:19,040
Speaker 5: there's this person that I've known for four or five

629
00:29:19,160 --> 00:29:22,080
Speaker 5: days that isn't really giving me any rhythm here. I

630
00:29:22,120 --> 00:29:25,120
Speaker 5: can't really get a true pulse as to how she

631
00:29:25,200 --> 00:29:27,480
Speaker 5: feels about me. This person could really flip flop and

632
00:29:27,480 --> 00:29:31,560
Speaker 5: play me tomorrow when new guys come in. Aside from

633
00:29:31,560 --> 00:29:34,040
Speaker 5: that cocktail party conversation, I have no real reason to

634
00:29:34,040 --> 00:29:37,040
Speaker 5: believe that she really wants to pursue something with me

635
00:29:37,120 --> 00:29:40,240
Speaker 5: long term. Right, So there's a ton of question marks here.

636
00:29:40,800 --> 00:29:42,520
Speaker 5: And she did just tell me everything that I've been

637
00:29:42,520 --> 00:29:45,120
Speaker 5: wanting to hear, so I could believe it, or I

638
00:29:45,120 --> 00:29:48,840
Speaker 5: could listen to my intuition that like is coincidental timing

639
00:29:48,840 --> 00:29:51,080
Speaker 5: with this road ceremony. So that's on one hand, and

640
00:29:51,120 --> 00:29:54,160
Speaker 5: on this other hand, I have this person that I

641
00:29:54,320 --> 00:29:56,680
Speaker 5: has been my best friend for an entire year, who

642
00:29:56,760 --> 00:29:58,880
Speaker 5: has continued to be my best friend through dating her

643
00:29:58,920 --> 00:30:01,080
Speaker 5: for over a year, right, who I have so much

644
00:30:01,120 --> 00:30:04,560
Speaker 5: love and admiration and respect for, who is one of

645
00:30:04,560 --> 00:30:06,920
Speaker 5: the most selfless people that I know, who I feel

646
00:30:06,920 --> 00:30:10,240
Speaker 5: I got the short end of the stick and often

647
00:30:10,320 --> 00:30:12,480
Speaker 5: does in life when she tries to put herself on

648
00:30:12,520 --> 00:30:14,479
Speaker 5: the back burner and do things for other people. And

649
00:30:14,520 --> 00:30:18,720
Speaker 5: I have an opportunity to embody one of the most

650
00:30:18,720 --> 00:30:22,120
Speaker 5: admirable characteristics that I know she has that I strive

651
00:30:22,240 --> 00:30:24,320
Speaker 5: to have, right, And I could give her this opportunity

652
00:30:24,720 --> 00:30:28,160
Speaker 5: to ultimately self sacrifice and give her a chance at

653
00:30:28,160 --> 00:30:29,800
Speaker 5: life because I don't think she got a fair one.

654
00:30:29,840 --> 00:30:32,120
Speaker 5: You know, Jeremy's the only guy that pulled her like

655
00:30:32,160 --> 00:30:36,160
Speaker 5: I felt so bad, and so I weighed those things out,

656
00:30:36,280 --> 00:30:38,840
Speaker 5: and that's ultimately what led to my decision was like, Hey,

657
00:30:38,880 --> 00:30:41,520
Speaker 5: I can help this person out or I can take

658
00:30:41,520 --> 00:30:43,320
Speaker 5: the risk with these question.

659
00:30:43,160 --> 00:30:43,720
Speaker 4: Marks that I have.

660
00:30:44,200 --> 00:30:46,760
Speaker 3: Right, And there had to have been also that question

661
00:30:46,840 --> 00:30:49,640
Speaker 3: with Lexi of Okay, if I give my ros Lexi,

662
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Speaker 3: we both stay, Susie stays two. We're all on this

663
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Speaker 3: beach together. Is this going to be? You know, a

664
00:30:54,880 --> 00:30:55,440
Speaker 3: never ending?

665
00:30:55,480 --> 00:30:59,800
Speaker 7: Is shoe like for yeah, exactly. And here's the thing,

666
00:30:59,840 --> 00:31:03,720
Speaker 7: like if and I was willing to see that through.

667
00:31:03,640 --> 00:31:08,400
Speaker 5: Like had Jeremy given his rose to Susie, you know,

668
00:31:08,720 --> 00:31:12,560
Speaker 5: obviously I would give my rose to Lexi and pray

669
00:31:12,640 --> 00:31:14,640
Speaker 5: for the best that you know, and take her at

670
00:31:14,680 --> 00:31:16,280
Speaker 5: her word that it would no longer be an issue

671
00:31:16,320 --> 00:31:17,560
Speaker 5: and that we could all coexist.

672
00:31:17,680 --> 00:31:19,920
Speaker 4: But obviously that's not what happened.

673
00:31:21,000 --> 00:31:25,320
Speaker 3: So you make the decision to offer Susie your rose.

674
00:31:27,320 --> 00:31:29,960
Speaker 3: Were you surprised by her reaction?

675
00:31:32,880 --> 00:31:34,800
Speaker 4: Yes, that was very surprised.

676
00:31:35,680 --> 00:31:38,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, you look surprised, and she looked surprised, and everyone

677
00:31:38,240 --> 00:31:38,920
Speaker 3: looks surprised.

678
00:31:39,600 --> 00:31:41,840
Speaker 4: M Yeah, yeah, I agree.

679
00:31:41,960 --> 00:31:44,560
Speaker 5: I think it was a big surprise to all parties

680
00:31:44,680 --> 00:31:47,240
Speaker 5: involved and not involved.

681
00:31:47,640 --> 00:31:50,960
Speaker 3: Why do you think that she said no to your rose?

682
00:31:52,720 --> 00:31:57,600
Speaker 5: You know, initially I had no clue because I thought

683
00:31:57,640 --> 00:32:00,400
Speaker 5: that it was clear as they to me, like where

684
00:32:00,440 --> 00:32:02,760
Speaker 5: my intentions were and what I was trying to do

685
00:32:03,000 --> 00:32:04,080
Speaker 5: by offering that up.

686
00:32:06,840 --> 00:32:07,520
Speaker 4: So I was.

687
00:32:07,520 --> 00:32:10,640
Speaker 5: Really really taken aback, and I remember just like I

688
00:32:10,720 --> 00:32:12,800
Speaker 5: kind of blacked out, like I just felt numb after

689
00:32:12,840 --> 00:32:16,240
Speaker 5: that and just wanted to like escape, like I just

690
00:32:16,240 --> 00:32:20,360
Speaker 5: wanted to disappear. It was just such a hard feeling

691
00:32:20,360 --> 00:32:28,400
Speaker 5: to describe. But you know, thinking back on it later

692
00:32:28,480 --> 00:32:36,040
Speaker 5: that night, you know my feelings aside again just knowing

693
00:32:36,480 --> 00:32:39,000
Speaker 5: Susie's heart and who she is, I was like, man,

694
00:32:39,120 --> 00:32:43,080
Speaker 5: because I wasn't able to have a conversation with her beforehand, right,

695
00:32:43,560 --> 00:32:45,960
Speaker 5: and I wasn't able to like tell.

696
00:32:45,800 --> 00:32:47,600
Speaker 4: Her what I wanted to try to do for her.

697
00:32:47,680 --> 00:32:50,720
Speaker 5: So this I have to put myself in her shoes, like, oh,

698
00:32:50,760 --> 00:32:53,280
Speaker 5: she's probably expecting me to give this rose to Lexi, right,

699
00:32:53,360 --> 00:32:56,800
Speaker 5: And so if I know Susie, of course, like here

700
00:32:56,840 --> 00:32:59,440
Speaker 5: I am trying to do something selfless for someone who

701
00:32:59,480 --> 00:33:02,560
Speaker 5: is selfless, And what would this selfless thing be for

702
00:33:02,600 --> 00:33:04,600
Speaker 5: her to do? Not accept the rose because she wouldn't

703
00:33:04,640 --> 00:33:07,440
Speaker 5: want to step on Lexi's toes? Yeah right, she wouldn't

704
00:33:07,480 --> 00:33:11,320
Speaker 5: want to take a rose for somebody, from somebody that

705
00:33:11,360 --> 00:33:13,440
Speaker 5: she feels like deserved it, right, because she doesn't really

706
00:33:13,520 --> 00:33:15,040
Speaker 5: know the ins and outs of you know, I told

707
00:33:15,080 --> 00:33:16,880
Speaker 5: her a little bit about what my concerns were, but

708
00:33:16,920 --> 00:33:19,800
Speaker 5: she doesn't know the ins and outs of you know,

709
00:33:20,400 --> 00:33:23,760
Speaker 5: the relationship with myself and Lexi. So when I thought

710
00:33:23,800 --> 00:33:25,560
Speaker 5: back on I was like, oh, she's probably just doesn't

711
00:33:25,560 --> 00:33:26,640
Speaker 5: want to step on her toes?

712
00:33:28,320 --> 00:33:32,800
Speaker 1: So yeah, was there any part of that It doesn't

713
00:33:32,840 --> 00:33:34,960
Speaker 1: come across this way, but was there any part of

714
00:33:35,000 --> 00:33:38,600
Speaker 1: that move that was potentially like, hey, maybe we could

715
00:33:38,640 --> 00:33:40,680
Speaker 1: see if we could rekindle.

716
00:33:42,200 --> 00:33:45,080
Speaker 5: No, because I mean I hadn't thought too too far ahead,

717
00:33:45,080 --> 00:33:46,840
Speaker 5: but I knew that the next week.

718
00:33:48,160 --> 00:33:49,080
Speaker 4: Guys were coming in.

719
00:33:49,720 --> 00:33:52,960
Speaker 5: So I'm looking around and I'm like, They're like, there's

720
00:33:53,040 --> 00:33:56,720
Speaker 5: if do the math. There's no girls, right, And so

721
00:33:57,080 --> 00:33:58,520
Speaker 5: I didn't know exactly what I was gonna do, but

722
00:33:58,560 --> 00:34:00,120
Speaker 5: I knew I wasn't gonna like twittle my thumbs for

723
00:34:00,160 --> 00:34:02,000
Speaker 5: the next two or three days whenever the next row

724
00:34:02,040 --> 00:34:04,840
Speaker 5: ceremony was. So I was, like, I said, self sacrifice.

725
00:34:04,840 --> 00:34:07,360
Speaker 5: I was gonna send myself home. I wasn't just hang

726
00:34:07,400 --> 00:34:09,919
Speaker 5: around the beach like I was getting get out of there.

727
00:34:10,239 --> 00:34:14,480
Speaker 3: Yeah. What was it like seeing Laxi at the premiere

728
00:34:14,520 --> 00:34:17,480
Speaker 3: party for Bachelor and Paradise the other night? Where do

729
00:34:17,520 --> 00:34:18,160
Speaker 3: I stand now?

730
00:34:20,600 --> 00:34:23,680
Speaker 5: I mean post show, I have tried to reach out

731
00:34:23,680 --> 00:34:28,439
Speaker 5: to her twice I have not gotten a response back.

732
00:34:29,840 --> 00:34:33,480
Speaker 5: So there were no one. There were no words spoken

733
00:34:33,520 --> 00:34:34,480
Speaker 5: at the premiere bar.

734
00:34:34,880 --> 00:34:39,640
Speaker 3: Wow, okay, the silent treatment. Do you think that she

735
00:34:40,000 --> 00:34:44,160
Speaker 3: was standing up there expecting you to be giving her

736
00:34:44,320 --> 00:34:46,720
Speaker 3: the rose totally.

737
00:34:46,480 --> 00:34:50,239
Speaker 5: And you know, again, like I I feel bad for

738
00:34:50,320 --> 00:34:52,440
Speaker 5: how that all went down. I mean, I stand by

739
00:34:52,440 --> 00:34:54,520
Speaker 5: the choice that I made, Like I don't have any

740
00:34:54,600 --> 00:34:58,799
Speaker 5: regrets about it, but I do feel bad, and I

741
00:34:58,840 --> 00:35:01,840
Speaker 5: do wish that we could have had a conversation beforehand.

742
00:35:01,840 --> 00:35:05,200
Speaker 5: We just we weren't allowed to write because at that point,

743
00:35:05,200 --> 00:35:08,040
Speaker 5: I really would have been like, Hey, here are my concerns.

744
00:35:08,080 --> 00:35:09,839
Speaker 4: Like the conversation that we.

745
00:35:09,880 --> 00:35:12,680
Speaker 5: Just had earlier tonight sounds great, It's everything that I've

746
00:35:12,680 --> 00:35:15,440
Speaker 5: wanted to hear, but and I would have pressed a

747
00:35:15,440 --> 00:35:17,240
Speaker 5: little bit more, right, But I didn't have the opportunity

748
00:35:17,320 --> 00:35:22,080
Speaker 5: to do that, So nobody saw coming what I pulled, right,

749
00:35:22,239 --> 00:35:24,520
Speaker 5: And so you know, post show, there's a lot of

750
00:35:24,560 --> 00:35:27,920
Speaker 5: things that I knew were confusing to her that she

751
00:35:27,960 --> 00:35:30,800
Speaker 5: didn't understand, and I wanted to have the opportunity to

752
00:35:30,920 --> 00:35:33,560
Speaker 5: kind of fill her in or what led up to

753
00:35:33,600 --> 00:35:36,879
Speaker 5: that decision and kind of tell her, you know, what

754
00:35:36,920 --> 00:35:39,280
Speaker 5: my concerns were. And I had also heard some things

755
00:35:39,280 --> 00:35:42,600
Speaker 5: post show that confirmed my intuition and some suspicions that

756
00:35:42,640 --> 00:35:43,759
Speaker 5: I had, and so I kind of wanted to just

757
00:35:43,800 --> 00:35:45,600
Speaker 5: put it out there, like, Hey, this is what I

758
00:35:45,640 --> 00:35:48,200
Speaker 5: was feeling during the show. This is also what I've heard.

759
00:35:48,280 --> 00:35:49,680
Speaker 5: These are all the things that led me to the

760
00:35:49,719 --> 00:35:52,520
Speaker 5: decision that I made. And just you know, I have

761
00:35:52,640 --> 00:35:56,240
Speaker 5: that dialogue. But you know, I totally understand not wanting

762
00:35:56,280 --> 00:35:58,160
Speaker 5: to have that conversation.

763
00:35:58,280 --> 00:36:02,480
Speaker 7: I guess, like I respect that from her, but I tried.

764
00:36:03,800 --> 00:36:06,680
Speaker 1: I think like if if she would have told you

765
00:36:06,880 --> 00:36:11,480
Speaker 1: to have that conversation at breakfast and you guys end

766
00:36:11,600 --> 00:36:14,279
Speaker 1: up having a great day together and then you give

767
00:36:14,320 --> 00:36:20,239
Speaker 1: the rose to Susie, I'd be like, Okay, that's you

768
00:36:20,280 --> 00:36:23,760
Speaker 1: didn't have to do that. At the cocktail party, before

769
00:36:23,800 --> 00:36:27,000
Speaker 1: the rose ceremony, you have that conversation for like the

770
00:36:27,040 --> 00:36:30,520
Speaker 1: first time. It's kind of like, yeah, it would be

771
00:36:30,680 --> 00:36:34,520
Speaker 1: very hard for me to not think, like you do

772
00:36:34,560 --> 00:36:36,000
Speaker 1: you just want the rose?

773
00:36:36,560 --> 00:36:38,839
Speaker 5: Right, And that's what I'm saying, Like, you know, all day,

774
00:36:38,920 --> 00:36:41,719
Speaker 5: I'm you know, I'm looking for something and you know,

775
00:36:42,000 --> 00:36:43,239
Speaker 5: I don't remember if it was that day or the

776
00:36:43,280 --> 00:36:45,719
Speaker 5: day prior. But you know, as I said earlier, I

777
00:36:45,880 --> 00:36:49,200
Speaker 5: was doing all these little things to try to really

778
00:36:49,239 --> 00:36:52,200
Speaker 5: pursue this person as I would in the real world. Right,

779
00:36:52,280 --> 00:36:54,400
Speaker 5: Like I know, she has a lot of dietary restrictions,

780
00:36:54,400 --> 00:36:57,040
Speaker 5: and so I would run around the resort and you know,

781
00:36:57,239 --> 00:36:59,000
Speaker 5: talk to the people taking orders and try to make

782
00:36:59,040 --> 00:37:00,920
Speaker 5: sure her stuff was like and free. And when she

783
00:37:01,040 --> 00:37:03,920
Speaker 5: was having health issues, you know, I would try to

784
00:37:03,920 --> 00:37:05,719
Speaker 5: step in where I could without overstepping of like can

785
00:37:05,760 --> 00:37:07,080
Speaker 5: I get you anything? Should we go in the pool

786
00:37:07,080 --> 00:37:08,880
Speaker 5: so it's a little bit cooler on your body, like

787
00:37:08,920 --> 00:37:12,040
Speaker 5: all these little things. And you know, eventually I was like, okay,

788
00:37:12,160 --> 00:37:13,960
Speaker 5: let me take a step back because I don't want

789
00:37:13,960 --> 00:37:15,359
Speaker 5: to be doing too much here if I don't feel

790
00:37:15,360 --> 00:37:18,040
Speaker 5: it being reciprocated, even in the slightest.

791
00:37:18,560 --> 00:37:19,880
Speaker 4: So I kind of remember taking.

792
00:37:19,640 --> 00:37:22,440
Speaker 5: A step back to see how she would kind of

793
00:37:22,480 --> 00:37:26,000
Speaker 5: maneuver throughout you know, the cast or whatever. And that's

794
00:37:26,040 --> 00:37:28,560
Speaker 5: the least we talked that day, was like the least

795
00:37:28,600 --> 00:37:31,000
Speaker 5: we had talked the entire time. So I'm like, all right,

796
00:37:31,560 --> 00:37:33,839
Speaker 5: you know, and Joe, to your point, it's like if

797
00:37:33,880 --> 00:37:35,719
Speaker 5: we had had that conversation earlier in the day and

798
00:37:35,719 --> 00:37:37,040
Speaker 5: then the rest of the day, I'm like, okay, so

799
00:37:37,480 --> 00:37:40,439
Speaker 5: I believe this, you know, we're making strides here, then

800
00:37:40,640 --> 00:37:42,280
Speaker 5: I'm sure I would have made a different decision.

801
00:37:42,280 --> 00:37:43,160
Speaker 4: But at the eleventh hour.

802
00:37:43,200 --> 00:37:47,319
Speaker 5: It's really hard to buy it and like go all

803
00:37:47,360 --> 00:37:50,720
Speaker 5: in on this person when someone else is sitting across

804
00:37:50,719 --> 00:37:52,560
Speaker 5: from me that you know I really still care about.

805
00:37:52,560 --> 00:37:54,920
Speaker 5: But I'm like, hey, get a fair shot at this.

806
00:37:55,160 --> 00:37:57,279
Speaker 5: You know, I was able to you know, I was

807
00:37:57,320 --> 00:37:59,880
Speaker 5: able to come into paradise without having you there and

808
00:38:00,960 --> 00:38:02,799
Speaker 5: you know, try to pursue somebody and like that's an

809
00:38:02,800 --> 00:38:04,000
Speaker 5: opportunity that I went for her.

810
00:38:04,440 --> 00:38:07,759
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, and like it's not like it's really not

811
00:38:07,840 --> 00:38:09,520
Speaker 1: working out for you, so why not give it to

812
00:38:09,560 --> 00:38:11,840
Speaker 1: somebody that you actually cared about.

813
00:38:12,120 --> 00:38:13,440
Speaker 4: I get it exactly.

814
00:38:13,920 --> 00:38:19,359
Speaker 3: It was wild. You are such a comedic, lighthearted, like

815
00:38:19,520 --> 00:38:22,680
Speaker 3: vibrant person to see you on this season from what

816
00:38:22,719 --> 00:38:25,239
Speaker 3: we've seen so far, like we really are seeing a

817
00:38:25,320 --> 00:38:27,359
Speaker 3: more serious side of you because you were just put

818
00:38:27,360 --> 00:38:28,640
Speaker 3: in a much more serious situation.

819
00:38:30,040 --> 00:38:31,879
Speaker 4: Yeah. Trust me, I'd love to be having more fun.

820
00:38:32,800 --> 00:38:34,879
Speaker 4: I'd love to be cracking jokes.

821
00:38:35,520 --> 00:38:39,040
Speaker 1: Justin We really appreciate you coming on. I love talking

822
00:38:39,080 --> 00:38:42,200
Speaker 1: to you and wish you nothing but the best.

823
00:38:42,680 --> 00:38:44,440
Speaker 4: Appreciate you guys. Thanks for having me.

824
00:38:44,560 --> 00:38:47,160
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826
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