WEBVTT - Mike Massimino

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<v Speaker 1>My name is Craig Ferguson. The name of this podcast

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<v Speaker 1>is joy. I talked to interest in people about what

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<v Speaker 1>brings them happiness. Make mass Amino has done something that

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<v Speaker 1>I've always wanted to do, and he's beat the space.

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<v Speaker 2>Here's Mike. Do you wear headphones when you're in space?

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<v Speaker 3>You need to be able to communicate with the ground,

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<v Speaker 3>with each other. So sometimes we would not big ones

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<v Speaker 3>like this.

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<v Speaker 2>No big head We had a little ones like earbuds.

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<v Speaker 2>Ye're like, no, maybe now they do that.

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<v Speaker 3>We have these old kind of like the thing you know,

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<v Speaker 3>like Janet Jackson would wear and are singing, you know, Madonna,

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<v Speaker 3>one thing like that.

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<v Speaker 1>Like that, not the just I'm talking about the communication gear. Yeah, no,

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<v Speaker 1>I get it.

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<v Speaker 2>Some of us.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, you do whatever you want up there really

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<v Speaker 3>as long as the camera's not on. But the cameras

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<v Speaker 3>are so low I think the cameras, yeah, but you

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<v Speaker 3>can you can turn off. But but the little here

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<v Speaker 3>it's kind of like a little mic headset, so you

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<v Speaker 3>can wear a headset or you're yeah, you have to

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<v Speaker 3>have something now in your space suit when you're spacewalk

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<v Speaker 3>and you wear a snoopy cap because it makes it

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<v Speaker 3>look like Snoopy the dog. And then you have headphones

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<v Speaker 3>on your you know, but they're not big like this, right,

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<v Speaker 3>there's just little headphones and there microphones that got colmcap

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<v Speaker 3>is well.

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<v Speaker 1>And do you have to when you finished talking? Do

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<v Speaker 1>you have to say beep when you're finished talking?

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<v Speaker 3>No, that happens naturally. But I think they got rid

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<v Speaker 3>of that thing. They got rid of the They got

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<v Speaker 3>rid of the beep. Last time I was down there,

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<v Speaker 3>they called it a quindar. They were a guy that

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<v Speaker 3>can look up what the hell that means.

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<v Speaker 1>I thought quindar was a medical name for a lady's

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<v Speaker 1>personal equipment.

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<v Speaker 3>It might be man, that's why they called it that.

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<v Speaker 3>But a little beep that was called a just called

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<v Speaker 3>a quindar. And how was there a couple of years ago.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm like, what's going There's no beep and they know

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<v Speaker 3>we don't. I think why they did that back in

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<v Speaker 3>the day was it was like an actual city. When

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<v Speaker 3>you'd cue the mic, it was a signal that was

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<v Speaker 3>sent to kind of clear the line. It's like it

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<v Speaker 3>was an antiquated thing. So they have just like a

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<v Speaker 3>beep and we're like clear the lines. So now the

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<v Speaker 3>message is coming. Nothing's coming in this direction.

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<v Speaker 2>This is gone.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, you're talking to a guy in space. If

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<v Speaker 1>you don't get I agree with you, I agree with me.

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<v Speaker 2>That all.

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<v Speaker 1>Now listen, Mike, I'm talking to you. And right in

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<v Speaker 1>front of me, right here is a book called Moonshaw right. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>And it says it's written by you. Now I know

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<v Speaker 1>you for a couple of years. You wrote a whole

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<v Speaker 1>book go by yourself.

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<v Speaker 2>Knowing you a long time. Actually, I mean it's show.

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<v Speaker 2>It was an nine. Oh wow. It was my first

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<v Speaker 2>late night appearance and it was an I. So it

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<v Speaker 2>was fourth.

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<v Speaker 3>That's fourth over fourteen years, ten years ago. So you

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<v Speaker 3>were saying, did I write this by myself? Yeah, you

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<v Speaker 3>know I wanted to, I thought because I had written

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<v Speaker 3>another book. I had his co writer named Tanner Colby.

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<v Speaker 3>He was great. He wrote a book with Trevanoah as well,

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<v Speaker 3>and he wrote helped me with my first book. And

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<v Speaker 3>so I was like, now I can branch out on

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<v Speaker 3>my own. And my agent said, I don't think that's

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<v Speaker 3>a good idea. I'm calling Tanner.

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<v Speaker 2>So he got it.

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<v Speaker 3>It was a little bit different than the way we

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<v Speaker 3>worked together the first time. It was more me writing

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<v Speaker 3>and than him kind of looking at the stories and

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<v Speaker 3>telling me what he needed. And as before I told

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<v Speaker 3>him stories and it was then he had someone transpose it,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, and he would write it from that.

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<v Speaker 2>So a little bit different. But no, I did have help.

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<v Speaker 2>I think it's good to have help. Definitely.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it's going to be better with especially with someone

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<v Speaker 3>who's talented as Tanner.

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<v Speaker 2>And I love the guy. He's so much fun to

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<v Speaker 2>work with, so all the resources in the co everything. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>why not? All right?

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<v Speaker 1>So I'm not an astronaut's guide to achieving the impulsible, right,

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<v Speaker 1>all right? So here here's my question. Then, what did

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<v Speaker 1>you learn when you were becoming an astronaut? First of all,

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<v Speaker 1>here's the thing. I know this, but you're not a pilot.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm a private pilot. You're a private right but you

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<v Speaker 2>know you or I am, Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>But probably more accomplished than I am in there in

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<v Speaker 3>the private pilot realm.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know by that. I haven't flow that. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>like VFR single engine.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, that's what I did.

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<v Speaker 3>You do that before you went a space raft. I

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<v Speaker 3>did that before before it was an astronaut. I got

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<v Speaker 3>my pilot's since once we became astronauts. We got to

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<v Speaker 3>fly in T thirty eight's, so I have a thousand

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<v Speaker 3>hours of co pilot in a T thirty eight high

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<v Speaker 3>performance jet. So it's a mock airplane. It could go,

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<v Speaker 3>but we would cruise, you know, about zero point nine

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<v Speaker 3>to one mock, so five hundred miles an hour up

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<v Speaker 3>high at forty one thousand feet.

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<v Speaker 2>It could go high. Did you do the sine wave

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<v Speaker 2>thing to do to witlessness?

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<v Speaker 3>You could do that in that plane or any airplane

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<v Speaker 3>as a matter of fact, my pend Oh yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>that would make your cough. You gotta be careful. But

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<v Speaker 3>that airplane that we used to use was a KC

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<v Speaker 3>one thirty five, and then they started using a d

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<v Speaker 3>C eight. NASA did and then they turned it over

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<v Speaker 3>to a contractor. There's a company that does that.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a company in Vegas.

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<v Speaker 3>Is on there, you know, I don't want to mispronounce

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<v Speaker 3>there and they get it wrong, but there's a zero

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<v Speaker 3>maybe zero G or something. They do this where people,

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<v Speaker 3>paying customers can go and I think, you, yeah, you're

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<v Speaker 3>just go on his airplane. And I don't know if

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<v Speaker 3>it's different than what we did. The parabolos are probably similar.

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<v Speaker 3>To what we did when we were training.

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<v Speaker 2>Did you throw up before slaving? Did it?

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<v Speaker 3>I did not, But I wanted to medicated. We would

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<v Speaker 3>medicate for these things. Yeah, so this is so they

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<v Speaker 3>would give us. An Essa gave me. He would give

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<v Speaker 3>us this thing. It's called scope dex and what it

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<v Speaker 3>was it was scopolamine, which is like an anti nausea drug, right,

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<v Speaker 3>but that apparently makes you a little sleepy. So they

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<v Speaker 3>didn't like that idea. So they would combine that with

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<v Speaker 3>Texa dream or something like Yeah Dexi's midnight runners. So

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<v Speaker 3>they would give that combined to us. So let's go

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<v Speaker 3>A couple of years ago, I was doing a I

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<v Speaker 3>was doing like a commercial video ad for Lego, and

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<v Speaker 3>they wanted to build Legos and zero gravity. So they're

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<v Speaker 3>find me if we're gonna go out, we're gonna do this.

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<v Speaker 3>They couldn't get the airplane here in America, I don't know.

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<v Speaker 3>We went out to France, to Bordeaux and flew with

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<v Speaker 3>this with a French different it's more European very you're

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<v Speaker 3>doing it. It was a little bit different, but it

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<v Speaker 3>was it was so anyway. So I go to my

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<v Speaker 3>now like I go to a doctor, here, you know

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<v Speaker 3>in New York have like a family doctors. Yeah, doctor

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<v Speaker 3>bask and I need some scolpe decks. She's like, what

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<v Speaker 3>I need? Uh, the sculpt because what is that? I

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<v Speaker 3>go it's She goes, that's not anything real. That's just

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<v Speaker 3>something they gave you, guys.

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<v Speaker 2>You can't get that. Yeah, it's like it was, I

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<v Speaker 2>mean it was a real pill. What they did? I wondered.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, you're right because they would give it to

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<v Speaker 3>us in a little like a see through capsule, and

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<v Speaker 3>you saw these two things floating around in it, so

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<v Speaker 3>they kind of made their own concoction. She goes, I

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<v Speaker 3>can't get I can't get that for you.

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<v Speaker 1>So it was just like so it's basically a guy

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<v Speaker 1>on the way the aircraft going angy one you want.

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<v Speaker 2>But we had it in space. I flew it.

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<v Speaker 3>I took it before I flew in space as well.

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<v Speaker 3>So that was a really good anti nausea drug. But

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<v Speaker 3>still I felt a.

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<v Speaker 1>Little did you get up? You get up on the

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<v Speaker 1>shuttles on a shuttle twice? That's so that's like a

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<v Speaker 1>powerful takeoff, right.

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<v Speaker 3>There was a lot of power. Shuttle is was huge

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<v Speaker 3>can comparison to like the SpaceX vehicle were you're really

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<v Speaker 3>just putting putting a few people in it. Shuttle can

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<v Speaker 3>carry seven passengers and a lot of cargo like something

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<v Speaker 3>like double space telescope and big pieces of the of

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<v Speaker 3>the space station. So when you take when you take

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<v Speaker 3>gs the G forces to go to orbit or similar,

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<v Speaker 3>no matter what a space craft you're in, you get

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<v Speaker 3>a max of three g's.

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<v Speaker 2>That's for about two and a half minutes. That's it.

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<v Speaker 3>So like in a in a in a high performance

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<v Speaker 3>jet you can go much higher than it's only for

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<v Speaker 3>a split second, right, because if you sustain a high

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<v Speaker 3>G actually yeah, you can get to you right. So

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<v Speaker 3>but with this you run your back. So the reason

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<v Speaker 3>you could pass out in a high performance jet doing

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<v Speaker 3>it like a six G turn is that the you're

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<v Speaker 3>kind of sitting in a chair more or less right,

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<v Speaker 3>and the lot the I can't believe it's going to

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<v Speaker 3>say vector, we can you know, you know what I mean,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, a small audience. So the vector So the vector,

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<v Speaker 3>as you understand, of course, the gravity vector now is

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<v Speaker 3>is going through your head, down through your vertical so

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<v Speaker 3>it's vertical exactly. So that's sucks the blood out of

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<v Speaker 3>your head. And you can pass out right in space.

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<v Speaker 3>You're lying on your back for that reason, so that

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<v Speaker 3>the gravity vector is going for your for your chest,

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<v Speaker 3>so you feel it in your chest. I feel like

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<v Speaker 3>there were three big dudes sitting on me, none in

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<v Speaker 3>a good way, in a good way. So it remind

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<v Speaker 3>me of my playground days as a child.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm going to get to that because you and I

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<v Speaker 1>are of a similar vintage.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, I think almost exactly. I'm sixty one, now, that's

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<v Speaker 3>what I am sixteen?

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<v Speaker 2>Right? What do you think about that? Is that?

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<v Speaker 1>All right?

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<v Speaker 2>I gotta be honest.

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<v Speaker 1>As long as I don't look in the mirror, I

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<v Speaker 1>don't notice anything to me. As long as I don't

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<v Speaker 1>look in the mirror, and I'm talking about looking in

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<v Speaker 1>the mirror, particularly below the neck, I'm like, what the

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<v Speaker 1>hell hell's happening because the gravity vector is pilling. I've

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<v Speaker 1>got some of that super strong American gravity working on

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<v Speaker 1>at least one of my testicles.

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<v Speaker 2>Better not to look. You don't need to be looking

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<v Speaker 2>at it. I was thinking about that.

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<v Speaker 1>So if I ever get plastic surgery, I'm going to

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<v Speaker 1>start with my balls.

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<v Speaker 2>Really, what are you going to do? Well?

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<v Speaker 1>I thought i'd get them plumped and you know, a

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<v Speaker 1>lift because here's what I thought. I know that wheel,

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<v Speaker 1>but here's what I thought, because look, it's your balls. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>like if they if they screw it up, it's not

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<v Speaker 1>gonna look at any worse. It can't look at it.

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<v Speaker 1>That's a very sensitive area though. I'd leave those things alone,

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<v Speaker 1>all right. I want to mess with that. Yeah, no, no, no,

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<v Speaker 1>no no, yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm not an expert in this area, but I leave

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<v Speaker 3>it alone.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, it's very important that you get massive people

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<v Speaker 1>under your podcast ball to do that.

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<v Speaker 2>No, I don't want to let him mess with that.

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<v Speaker 2>I want to do that now, all right.

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<v Speaker 1>Fair enough, but you know you can achieve the impossible,

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<v Speaker 1>make your screwed them look good after the age of six.

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<v Speaker 1>But here's the thing. You and I are a similar vintage. Right,

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<v Speaker 1>so when I'm when I'm a kid, I'm seven years old. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>so you're the same. Yeah, And I see I'm allowed

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<v Speaker 1>because of the time difference. It's on in the middle

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<v Speaker 1>of the night in British television, Scotch television. I see

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<v Speaker 1>these guys land on the moon. Yeah, and I'm like,

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<v Speaker 1>I want to be an American. That's when I say

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<v Speaker 1>that I'm.

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<v Speaker 2>I was like, I'm gonna be and you are in America.

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<v Speaker 1>I have an America now, Yeah, And I was like,

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<v Speaker 1>whatever these guys are doing, that's that's I'm into that.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. I never I never went to space.

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<v Speaker 1>I never did it, but I thought, whatever these people

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<v Speaker 1>are doing, I want to be part of that. Yeah, now,

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<v Speaker 1>I can guess. And that had a big effect on

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<v Speaker 1>you when you were a kid too.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, absolutely exactly what you said, Greig. I remember looking

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<v Speaker 3>at that TV said a little bit earlier than you did.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, time wise, Yeah, it was private thing for you,

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<v Speaker 2>and it was like probably about it.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know, we you know, we could look this up,

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<v Speaker 3>I guess. But it's around eight o'clock, nine o'clock when

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<v Speaker 3>that first walk.

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<v Speaker 2>And see, that's why I love America as well.

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<v Speaker 1>It was like we got a live prime time right,

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<v Speaker 1>we got to let the world adjust.

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<v Speaker 2>That's what fun. Everybody else we need time.

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<v Speaker 1>We want primetime TV audience for America say that.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, that's another reason, yeah, to come to America. But

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<v Speaker 3>I remember saying that. I was like, I not only

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<v Speaker 3>wanted to grow up to do that, I want to

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<v Speaker 3>grow up to be those guys. I wanted to be

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<v Speaker 3>like Neil Armstrong, right, I did. Yeah, I met him.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, he's he's awesome. He was.

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<v Speaker 3>He was just great. So the first time I met him, Craig,

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<v Speaker 3>do you have time for a story here?

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<v Speaker 2>So I met him.

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<v Speaker 3>It was my first week as an astronaut. Can you imagine.

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<v Speaker 3>He was in town for his physical, his annual physical,

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<v Speaker 3>and our training coordinator reached out to was, Hey, you

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<v Speaker 3>want to come speak to these new astronauts. So he

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<v Speaker 3>said sure. So he was. He was almost like painfully shy. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>and he didn't even talk about the moon. He talked

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<v Speaker 3>about flying the X fifteen and so on. And then

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<v Speaker 3>we went to Q and A. We asked him about

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<v Speaker 3>the moon landing. Of course my first question was about that.

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<v Speaker 3>But I saw him the next day in the cafeteria

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<v Speaker 3>and I go up through I hat to like say

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<v Speaker 3>something to him. I didn't want to bother going up

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<v Speaker 3>to him, so I introduced myself and I said, Neil,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, I asked you something. How did you come

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<v Speaker 3>up with that thing you said on the moon? You know,

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<v Speaker 3>I think he said on one small set from man

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<v Speaker 3>one shine leaf. I was like, did your wife tell

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<v Speaker 3>you to say that? How did you come up with that.

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<v Speaker 3>Did you hire a publicist? And he looks at me,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, kind of awkwardly. He says, no, Mike, I

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<v Speaker 3>didn't think about it until I landed on the moon.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm like, really yeah, And I'm like, that's exactly what

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<v Speaker 3>I said. Are you kidding me? And he says, Mike,

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<v Speaker 3>if I didn't land on the moon, there'd be no

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<v Speaker 3>reason to say anything.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh.

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<v Speaker 3>And then he got serious with me, Craig, and he said, look,

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<v Speaker 3>you're new to this business, Mike, but you know this

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<v Speaker 3>is a serious business, and bad things happen when you

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<v Speaker 3>get distracted. Stick to your job, stick to business and

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<v Speaker 3>worry about all that publicity stuff. After he's like you

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<v Speaker 3>got it, I'm like, I got it. So years later, Craig,

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<v Speaker 3>I got asked to send the first tweet from space.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh that's right, first week from space. Right, and we

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<v Speaker 3>have our final press conference and I get asked, what

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<v Speaker 3>have you thought about what you're going to tweet? And

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<v Speaker 3>I'm like, I channeled the armstrong man. I can picture

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<v Speaker 3>my imo. I feel like I had a crew cut

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<v Speaker 3>like he did. Yeah, I just channeled him, and I said,

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<v Speaker 3>I'm not thinking about that. We've got to get the

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<v Speaker 3>space first. If we don't get the space, there's gonna

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<v Speaker 3>be no reason to tweet anything. I'm not worrying about

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<v Speaker 3>that at all. I wait till we got I'll worry

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<v Speaker 3>about that when we get there. So we get to space.

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<v Speaker 3>I open up the computer and I'm looking at that

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<v Speaker 3>screen and I realized, Craig, that advice I got from

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<v Speaker 3>our hero was the worst advice I ever got in

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<v Speaker 3>my life. I couldn't think of a damn thing. And

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<v Speaker 3>then I'm saying to myself, there's no way he thought

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<v Speaker 3>of that.

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<v Speaker 2>On the moon. Everyone was listening. Everyone, you're saying, you listening.

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<v Speaker 2>Everyone around the world won here totally. Everyone knew where

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<v Speaker 2>he was, who he was, and what he was going

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<v Speaker 2>to say.

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<v Speaker 3>Here I am float up. A few people knew who

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<v Speaker 3>I was, but no one's really paying attention. You didn't

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<v Speaker 3>know where I was. No one's listening, you know, space, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>but I didn't know what. And I'm saying, no one's

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<v Speaker 3>paying attention to me. And I can't think of a thing.

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<v Speaker 3>He must have lied to me. You know what I

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<v Speaker 3>wanted to tweet. I wanted to tweat curse you, Neil.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm sure you didn't do that I didn't do that.

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<v Speaker 3>I wrote what So what I did is I whatever

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<v Speaker 3>came to mind I put it. Launch was awesome. I'm

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<v Speaker 3>feeling great and enjoining the view. The adventure of a

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<v Speaker 3>lifetime has begun. That was on a Monday. On Saturday.

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<v Speaker 3>They made fun of me on Saturday Night Live on

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<v Speaker 3>Weekend up Dates. Seth Myers is there. I didn't notice

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<v Speaker 3>what was going on. I'm in space working and he goes, hey,

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<v Speaker 3>we have the first tweet from space, and here it is.

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<v Speaker 3>Launch was awesome. In forty years, we've gone from one

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<v Speaker 3>giant leap from mankind to launch was awesome. And then

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<v Speaker 3>he continues and he says, I assume if we if

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<v Speaker 3>we ever find life in the universe, I assume this

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<v Speaker 3>is how we'll be notified. And it shows my little

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<v Speaker 3>Twitter thing that says, geez dudes, aliens, I don't.

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<v Speaker 2>Notice is the way fair.

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<v Speaker 3>The way I found fent out about this was my kids,

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<v Speaker 3>who are like in middle school in high school. They

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<v Speaker 3>are apparently very excited about this, and so they sent me.

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<v Speaker 3>They sent me some email and like, Dad, they made

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<v Speaker 3>fun of you on Saturday Night.

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<v Speaker 2>Loud, which is kind of awesome, and you gave me a.

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<v Speaker 3>Lot of credit and they're like all the kids at

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<v Speaker 3>school loved it. Keep up the good work. I finally

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<v Speaker 3>got somebody that.

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<v Speaker 1>Got to your kids, so they weren't compressed that you

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<v Speaker 1>were going to space.

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<v Speaker 3>Did not, they didn't, but they were excited to get that.

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<v Speaker 3>I got made fun of for the first tweek, but

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<v Speaker 3>I got that advice from Neil Armstrong.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, it's funny. I've met a few of the

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<v Speaker 2>guys that have been on the moon, and a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of them have you know, most of them have gone.

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<v Speaker 2>I just lost a couple.

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<v Speaker 3>Yea, well that didn't ken maddingly Yeah, who didn't walk

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<v Speaker 3>on the moon but went to the moon twice and

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<v Speaker 3>then it didn't land.

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<v Speaker 2>And Frank Borman yeah, Paula wait just recently died too. Yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I mean buzz is still he's still around. He's still

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<v Speaker 2>around and crazy aer than a bed bug. But you're

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<v Speaker 2>going to see Charlie Duke later this week.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, if you're in town, you may want to come

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<v Speaker 3>by tomorrow whatever, but he's going to be having to

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<v Speaker 3>see him.

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<v Speaker 2>He's he was on a policy giving me Jim lovel Yes,

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<v Speaker 2>he's still around. Yeah, an amazing character. Do you know what.

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<v Speaker 2>I have a story about that.

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<v Speaker 1>So I went to the Living Legends of Aviation dinner

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<v Speaker 1>in California a few years ago.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, have you ever been to that thing? No, I've

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<v Speaker 2>never been. I've never been this. I mean it's crazy.

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<v Speaker 1>Was there and Car there and Tom Cruise is there,

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<v Speaker 1>and it's like all these like celebrity.

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<v Speaker 2>Pilots are there, you know, and never Morton is there.

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<v Speaker 1>It's crazy and it's all these like, you know guys

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<v Speaker 1>that flew choppers are nam It's like, it's crazy. And

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<v Speaker 1>the person that was being onner, Jim Lovel's being on

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<v Speaker 1>her nice for you know, bringing the Paul thirteen around

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<v Speaker 1>the moon and bringing it back. And Sally sellen Burger

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<v Speaker 1>is getting is giving him the owner. So so Sully

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<v Speaker 1>gets up and he says that he said, I never

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<v Speaker 1>met uh, never met Jim before this evening, only just

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<v Speaker 1>met him backstage. But he is the gentleman who told

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<v Speaker 1>me everything you need to know about aviation.

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<v Speaker 2>M H. I was like, and he's he said, and

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<v Speaker 2>here's what it is.

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<v Speaker 1>No matter how bad things are, no matter how close

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<v Speaker 1>death may appear, you gotta sound cool on the radio.

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<v Speaker 2>You think about it. We have a problem you know.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean it's not.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like you used to me have a problem and

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<v Speaker 1>then selling burger is like this is a bunch of

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<v Speaker 1>It's like, no, I'm going to be in the huts.

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<v Speaker 1>Say again, going the huts And what did I mean

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<v Speaker 1>that piece of flying? I'm amazing.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>I think people think that that was something to do

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<v Speaker 1>with like the plane can do that on his own

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<v Speaker 1>or something. I mean what that man did without plane

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<v Speaker 1>in the huts, and that's an easy piece of flying.

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<v Speaker 1>The decisions he made unbelievable so quickly. Good training, good training.

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<v Speaker 3>But the way he was able to make those that

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<v Speaker 3>quickly because there wasn't much time. He lost both those

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<v Speaker 3>engines and.

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<v Speaker 1>It was like it was unprecedented, was like a huge

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<v Speaker 1>flock of birds went through the engines.

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<v Speaker 3>And he says he looked back at LaGuardia and all

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<v Speaker 3>he saw between him and the field was humanity, people

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<v Speaker 3>in the bronx, people living.

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<v Speaker 2>And it's like, that's not going to want to miss it.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, And I mean, if you if we had a

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<v Speaker 3>couple of days to figure this out, maybe we'd come

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<v Speaker 3>up with the right solution. Yeah, he had seconds, and

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<v Speaker 3>he came up with it. That's really the thing that's

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<v Speaker 3>amazing of how quickly.

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<v Speaker 2>You did the right thing.

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<v Speaker 1>Get I mean, if you're traveling at high speeds and

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<v Speaker 1>you know what you were doing for a living back

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<v Speaker 1>then you're traveling at high speeds all the time.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, how fast does that space station go? That's

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<v Speaker 2>seventeen five hundred miles an hour. I mean that's crazy.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean it doesn't look like he's doing that because you're.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, no sense of it, right, No, there's no turbulence,

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<v Speaker 3>there's no wind, there's nothing, and there's no your visual cues,

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<v Speaker 3>like you know, as I timed it right as you

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<v Speaker 3>were coming we hit Baja California, set the timer hit

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<v Speaker 3>Miami eleven minutes later. So you know, that's pretty fast

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<v Speaker 3>coast and the coast, but you have no sensation of it.

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<v Speaker 3>You don't, you don't feel anything. And even coming back,

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<v Speaker 3>so we were coming back from more a bit on the

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<v Speaker 3>shuttle and you kind of got into this area in

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<v Speaker 3>the atmosphere where it's like being in a cloud, like

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<v Speaker 3>the partials are particles are excited, and it's just it

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<v Speaker 3>was just gray outside, right, and it's like being in

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<v Speaker 3>a cloud, no sensation of movement because there's no there's

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<v Speaker 3>no turbulence. There's still no atmosphere out there, still too high,

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<v Speaker 3>but you're still you're picking up the outer particles, but

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<v Speaker 3>you don't have you don't feel anything. It's still smooth,

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<v Speaker 3>no sensation of motion, nothing, nothing out the window. And

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<v Speaker 3>I look at the velocity indicator was still going about

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<v Speaker 3>twelve thousand miles an hour. Wow, but no sense of

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<v Speaker 3>it other than what the Struman said.

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<v Speaker 2>That's insane.

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<v Speaker 1>And of course that they shuttle landed with like, there's

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<v Speaker 1>no flaps on that thing, right.

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<v Speaker 3>They had a body flap, they had they had controls,

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<v Speaker 3>but there's no power.

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<v Speaker 1>No power on it. That's the flying brick they used

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<v Speaker 1>to call it. Correct, Yeah, yeah, yep. And it had

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<v Speaker 1>really very low lifted drag ratio so it came in,

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<v Speaker 1>had to come in really almost just like drop out

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<v Speaker 1>of the sky like a brick.

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<v Speaker 2>Yep.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, So let's get let's get back to seven

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<v Speaker 1>year old Mikey, little Mikey in the playground.

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<v Speaker 2>He wants to be an astronaut. So how do you

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<v Speaker 2>go from where'd you grow up again?

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<v Speaker 3>Franklin Square, New York. So that's right just outside of

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<v Speaker 3>Queens right by Belmont Racetrack, that area.

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<v Speaker 2>It's the Paris of America. It's a great place to

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<v Speaker 2>grow up. But yes, I didn't know it's the Paris

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<v Speaker 2>of America. Yeah, America.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, that's right. Yes, what I have to say.

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<v Speaker 1>You know that when I first came to America. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>in nineteen seventy five, I'm thirteen years old.

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<v Speaker 2>I go to a.

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<v Speaker 1>Bowling alley with my cousins. We go to a bowling

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<v Speaker 1>alley in smith tywn Long No, that's okay, yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>that's right. So I go to smith Then, Long Island.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm thirteen years old, my god, and I'm from Scotland,

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<v Speaker 1>right from Scotland, Smithtown, Long Island. Yeah, I'm in a

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<v Speaker 1>bowling alley and someone says, do you want a root beer?

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<v Speaker 1>And I went, I didn't even know. I fucking I

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<v Speaker 1>thought it was like beer made out of potatoes or something,

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<v Speaker 1>so it's possible.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, So so you want a root beer?

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<v Speaker 1>I went yeah, and someone gave me a an American

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<v Speaker 1>sized beverage. So it's about the size of where I

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<v Speaker 1>live in Scotland. It's a root beer over crushed ice

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<v Speaker 1>and a bowling alley. Yeah, And every time I taste

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<v Speaker 1>root beer. I still remember that. I taste the root

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<v Speaker 1>beer and I'm.

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<v Speaker 2>Like, God, damn, these people are fucking amazing. This is crazy.

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<v Speaker 2>So first you see moving on the moon.

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<v Speaker 3>You want to come to America, right, and you're and

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<v Speaker 3>you get there and go to a bowling at.

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<v Speaker 2>Bowling alley, root beer over crushed ice. That was right, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>that was right. That's total vindication. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>So how do you get from seven year old Mikey

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<v Speaker 1>in Queens right to NASA sitting on the space shuttle

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<v Speaker 1>like ten nine eight six five four three two one, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and then boom or you don't even go to one

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<v Speaker 1>do They's like ten.

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<v Speaker 2>One and lift offft they lift off? They yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>lift off like the Saturn five stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes.

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<v Speaker 2>Ignition, yeah, engines, there would be.

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<v Speaker 3>It would be ignition sequence start at six. It would

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<v Speaker 3>be ten nine eight seven six, Ignition sequence start three

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<v Speaker 3>two one and lift You know how I know that

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<v Speaker 3>I did. I was a have a very exciting news

0:21:37.200 --> 0:21:39.199
<v Speaker 3>This is old news, but I was the voice of

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<v Speaker 3>missing mission control in the most recent Beavis and butt

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<v Speaker 3>Head movie Beavis and butt had do the universe. Mike,

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<v Speaker 3>judge me do that. So I got to so we

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<v Speaker 3>got behead and space right when they went to space

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<v Speaker 3>in the cartoon movie. I got to so but yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>they still do it like that. Ten and the lift offs.

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<v Speaker 3>That's what you say at zero, you say lift off?

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<v Speaker 3>And so yeah, all right, so you seven. Let's get

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<v Speaker 3>back to the place seven years old. Right, So little

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<v Speaker 3>Mikey then, Mikey's smart? Is he smart?

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<v Speaker 2>Kid? Is he? All right? Yes? He was smart?

0:22:09.760 --> 0:22:10.040
<v Speaker 1>Is he?

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<v Speaker 2>He was?

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<v Speaker 3>He liked math. He I'm talking about. I like math

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<v Speaker 3>when I was a little kid. Yeah, so that's gonna

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<v Speaker 3>go to math. I was a good student. I wasn't

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<v Speaker 3>a real genius or anything. But you worked hard. I

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<v Speaker 3>worked my I met my my fourth grade teacher after

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<v Speaker 3>I became an astronaut, all right, and I go back

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<v Speaker 3>to my elementary gat. So missus oco and so she was,

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<v Speaker 3>so she'll working. She was a very young teacher when

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<v Speaker 3>she was my teacher in fourth grade. And she said, oh,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, I told my kids, and I have two sons,

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<v Speaker 3>and I told him I was going to have lunch

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<v Speaker 3>with a former student who is now an astronaut. I go, oh, school,

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<v Speaker 3>and I go what they say? He goes, well, he

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<v Speaker 3>must have been smart, mom, And I go what you say.

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<v Speaker 3>And she said, well, I said, well, I'm sure he

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<v Speaker 3>was bright, but if he was really smart, I would

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<v Speaker 3>have remembered, is what she said. And she goes, I

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<v Speaker 3>went on to tell him that sometimes the smartest isn't

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<v Speaker 3>the most important thing now, and it's how you work

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<v Speaker 3>and work hard and.

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<v Speaker 2>Absolutely do the right thing and so on.

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<v Speaker 3>Right, so, absolutely the words of missus Oco, I was

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<v Speaker 3>probably bright, but I wasn't the smartest kid in that class.

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<v Speaker 1>But you know, it's like when people talk about when

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<v Speaker 1>people go to Hollywood and they think that they're going

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<v Speaker 1>to make it because it's super talented, and yeah, of

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<v Speaker 1>course you're talented.

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<v Speaker 2>Everybody he is talented here here is like talent.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like the driver's license, you know, it's like everybody's

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<v Speaker 1>fucking talented. Yeah, what have you got? Do you have

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<v Speaker 1>a work ethic that people want to hang out with you?

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<v Speaker 1>Are you're going to fucking be on time? You're going

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<v Speaker 1>to be a douchebagh? Are you going to get the

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<v Speaker 1>work done? Are you going to prepare so that nobody's

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<v Speaker 1>waiting around for you to figure out out?

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<v Speaker 2>Right? And it feels to me like maybe you have

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<v Speaker 2>that ethic as well, right, it's a work.

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<v Speaker 3>I agree, and the little bit I know like through

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<v Speaker 3>you as as my friend and other people that are

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<v Speaker 3>in the entertainment business. It's the same thing because there

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<v Speaker 3>are so many great people that can do it. But

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<v Speaker 3>all those things apply and people don't always realize that.

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<v Speaker 3>But the entertainment business is relentlessly competitive. Man, You've got

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<v Speaker 3>to want it so bad to do that, which is

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<v Speaker 3>it shows you have to have that passion, which is

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<v Speaker 3>what I had for the space Permo that I.

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<v Speaker 2>Was going to say it's going to be.

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<v Speaker 1>I think being an astronaut is probably pretty competitive as

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<v Speaker 1>well as a little.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, there's thousands of people that want to do it,

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<v Speaker 3>and you're gonna I got told I got rejected three times. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>I got I kind of forgot about I thought it

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<v Speaker 3>was impossible. I went and saw the right stuff. You

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<v Speaker 3>must have seen that. That's my favorite movie.

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<v Speaker 2>That's a great movie. That's out of my favorite bit.

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<v Speaker 1>It is you damn right, you damn right.

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<v Speaker 2>It is sounds dangerous, It is dangerous. Count me in.

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<v Speaker 3>I quoted that movie the whole that was We quoted

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<v Speaker 3>that movie on the on the launch pad.

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<v Speaker 2>It was just the greatest movie.

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<v Speaker 3>I love that movie and the book by Tom Wolf,

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<v Speaker 3>and that rekindled my interest. And then I went to

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<v Speaker 3>grad school trying to pursue the stream. I got rejected

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<v Speaker 3>ice out right. Third time I got an interview and

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<v Speaker 3>got rejected.

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<v Speaker 1>So you you applied directly to NASA.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, everyone can. You can't as well. You're an American citizen,

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<v Speaker 3>you can apply.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I feel like I might have missed the boat

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<v Speaker 2>a little bit. I don't know.

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<v Speaker 3>Man, Well, now with all these you know the commercial opportunities,

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<v Speaker 3>and you paid it, but maybe I don't know you

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<v Speaker 3>maybe the price comes down or maybe, like I mean,

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<v Speaker 3>you would you know, you're a celebrity and you have

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<v Speaker 3>a great interest in flying you.

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<v Speaker 2>Someone will take me up. Someone.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't see why not you call someone at NASA.

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<v Speaker 1>He's asked, I don't think NASA is the way to go.

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<v Speaker 3>That's taxpayers money, billionaire. But then they got to you know, hey,

0:25:42.880 --> 0:25:44.679
<v Speaker 3>why are you flying that guy? They won't fly me

0:25:44.680 --> 0:25:47.960
<v Speaker 3>anymore neither. You got to have a mission. I guess

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<v Speaker 3>up there, Ah, that are a.

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<v Speaker 1>Very wealthy friend, Like, yeah, I don't have any wealthy friends.

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<v Speaker 2>You're the righteous guy, I know. Yeah, you're right, you're

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<v Speaker 2>out of look yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, so I'm just trying to all right, so you

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<v Speaker 1>applied to NASA, right, So what did you study at school?

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<v Speaker 2>Mathematics?

0:26:04.480 --> 0:26:07.600
<v Speaker 3>I was an engineering student. I was an industrial engineer

0:26:07.600 --> 0:26:10.680
<v Speaker 3>as an undergrad, and in grad school, mechanical engineering is

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<v Speaker 3>what I studied.

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<v Speaker 2>All right.

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<v Speaker 1>So you're a mechanical engineer, yes, qualified mechanical engineer, and

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<v Speaker 1>you eventually get accepted in the space program.

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<v Speaker 2>Ye. So but you're not going to be flying the

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<v Speaker 2>bird up there, so what are you going to be doing?

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<v Speaker 3>So back then, in the Shuttle days, there was actually

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<v Speaker 3>two categories of astronauts. One was the astronaut pilot, and

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<v Speaker 3>those were the traditional military test pilots.

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<v Speaker 1>That's the guys who say beep when they finished talking.

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<v Speaker 1>That's right, guys, sounds dangerous. Those guys, the test pilots,

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<v Speaker 1>All the test pilots, they would be competitive for the

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<v Speaker 1>pilot job, and they were trained to fly the Shuttle,

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<v Speaker 1>to do the landings, to work all the all the

0:26:49.359 --> 0:26:50.919
<v Speaker 1>flying part of it. Because that was almost like a

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<v Speaker 1>completely different training flow than what mission specialists went through,

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<v Speaker 1>which is what I was so mission specialists was kind

0:26:57.119 --> 0:26:59.760
<v Speaker 1>of like a grab bag. So all the civilians also

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<v Speaker 1>some pilots too, who are military pilots, but we're not

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<v Speaker 1>selected as pilots.

0:27:04.160 --> 0:27:07.280
<v Speaker 3>They could be selected as mission mission specialists. We are

0:27:07.320 --> 0:27:11.320
<v Speaker 3>the scientist engineers and we were trained to do spacewalks

0:27:11.320 --> 0:27:14.640
<v Speaker 3>and robotics and work experiments and also work the systems

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<v Speaker 3>on the Space Shuttle to help.

0:27:16.920 --> 0:27:19.480
<v Speaker 1>So you have a work and knowledge of how to

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<v Speaker 1>repair and maintain the Space Shuttle.

0:27:22.160 --> 0:27:22.760
<v Speaker 2>Is that the idea?

0:27:23.160 --> 0:27:25.520
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, Well for us, it's like so it's like doing

0:27:26.359 --> 0:27:28.400
<v Speaker 3>the repair of it came in if you have damage

0:27:28.440 --> 0:27:29.960
<v Speaker 3>like in orbit and you need to go out and

0:27:29.960 --> 0:27:31.480
<v Speaker 3>do a space walk to do that. But it's mainly

0:27:31.560 --> 0:27:35.600
<v Speaker 3>just just working the systems. Work in communications, work in

0:27:35.600 --> 0:27:38.960
<v Speaker 3>the cooling systems, working all the different things for rendezvous.

0:27:39.200 --> 0:27:41.000
<v Speaker 3>It's not just a too. You have a pilot. They

0:27:41.000 --> 0:27:42.399
<v Speaker 3>don't have a pilot and cold pilot. We had a

0:27:42.440 --> 0:27:45.160
<v Speaker 3>commander and pilot don't wanted to go to col pilot.

0:27:45.200 --> 0:27:47.200
<v Speaker 3>Apparently if you have a commander and you have a pilot,

0:27:47.240 --> 0:27:48.760
<v Speaker 3>and then you had a bunch of missing specialists. So

0:27:48.800 --> 0:27:51.720
<v Speaker 3>we would help with the rendezvous. We would work the

0:27:51.760 --> 0:27:55.199
<v Speaker 3>Space Shuttle robot arm we would do the spacewalks, be

0:27:55.280 --> 0:27:59.520
<v Speaker 3>primarily responsible for the experiments, but also know enough about

0:27:59.520 --> 0:28:01.760
<v Speaker 3>the space I'll say that we could be helpful. We

0:28:01.760 --> 0:28:03.560
<v Speaker 3>were also trained as flight engineer. So you have the

0:28:03.560 --> 0:28:06.639
<v Speaker 3>two people up front were flying, and then a person

0:28:06.680 --> 0:28:08.760
<v Speaker 3>in the middle, like and the old airplanes just have

0:28:08.800 --> 0:28:11.800
<v Speaker 3>like yeah the game. So you had yeah, that person,

0:28:11.840 --> 0:28:13.399
<v Speaker 3>you had another person next to them. You have two

0:28:13.600 --> 0:28:17.560
<v Speaker 3>MISSUS specialists behind the pilots who had assist with helping

0:28:17.600 --> 0:28:21.520
<v Speaker 3>with emergencies and reminding of you in the check.

0:28:21.480 --> 0:28:24.959
<v Speaker 1>You go like checklists to go through, like at the

0:28:25.000 --> 0:28:27.520
<v Speaker 1>start of a mission, like you do this one you do.

0:28:27.640 --> 0:28:30.320
<v Speaker 1>Everyone talks to each other, do you check the checklist?

0:28:30.600 --> 0:28:33.159
<v Speaker 3>All that stuff, especially in the Shuttle dates, it was

0:28:33.200 --> 0:28:37.600
<v Speaker 3>all manually flown. Everything was done manually. And the pilot

0:28:37.640 --> 0:28:40.160
<v Speaker 3>on my first light Dwane Carry Digger, this guy from

0:28:40.520 --> 0:28:43.240
<v Speaker 3>Air Force, Digger Carry was an A ten pilot and

0:28:43.240 --> 0:28:46.360
<v Speaker 3>then an F sixteen pilot, a military test but cool guy,

0:28:46.560 --> 0:28:49.680
<v Speaker 3>really cool haircut. So Digger good friend of mine. I

0:28:49.720 --> 0:28:51.120
<v Speaker 3>asked him a couple of years ago, how much of

0:28:51.160 --> 0:28:54.680
<v Speaker 3>your training to fly in space did you not use

0:28:54.720 --> 0:28:56.960
<v Speaker 3>in space as training as a pilot because they had

0:28:57.000 --> 0:29:00.320
<v Speaker 3>to know every emergency they had The percent he did

0:29:00.320 --> 0:29:04.200
<v Speaker 3>not use. He said, ninety nine point nine percent of

0:29:04.240 --> 0:29:06.160
<v Speaker 3>the stuff that I used that I was trained for

0:29:06.240 --> 0:29:09.320
<v Speaker 3>I never used in space because typically everything goes okay.

0:29:09.160 --> 0:29:11.200
<v Speaker 2>Well I mean that, But that's learning the fly a plane,

0:29:11.200 --> 0:29:11.920
<v Speaker 2>isn't it You learned.

0:29:11.960 --> 0:29:14.840
<v Speaker 1>That's why it's so terrifying, because you learn all the

0:29:14.880 --> 0:29:18.560
<v Speaker 1>scary stuff and you know, probably never use it. That's right,

0:29:18.640 --> 0:29:20.880
<v Speaker 1>you know, but you better know it. You better know it.

0:29:21.360 --> 0:29:24.080
<v Speaker 3>But now with the newer systems like the SpaceX Falcon

0:29:24.120 --> 0:29:28.040
<v Speaker 3>for example, right, that is not the Dragon and Falcons launchy,

0:29:28.120 --> 0:29:32.280
<v Speaker 3>but the Dragon spaceship that is so automated that it's

0:29:32.320 --> 0:29:35.840
<v Speaker 3>it's a completely different situation. You don't have to know

0:29:35.920 --> 0:29:38.280
<v Speaker 3>all these things like we did with it. It reduces

0:29:38.320 --> 0:29:41.720
<v Speaker 3>the training flow down to hard time. With that, I'll

0:29:41.760 --> 0:29:43.680
<v Speaker 3>tell you why. Because of redundancies.

0:29:43.960 --> 0:29:49.800
<v Speaker 1>If everything is in automated, so an automated redundancy program

0:29:49.880 --> 0:29:51.840
<v Speaker 1>kicks and if one system fails, and then if that

0:29:51.920 --> 0:29:55.440
<v Speaker 1>system feels typically in aviation, it's like three redundancies. Right,

0:29:55.720 --> 0:30:00.000
<v Speaker 1>But if they were running through the same program, Yeah,

0:30:00.400 --> 0:30:04.600
<v Speaker 1>I feel like that isn't three redundancies, that's one redundancy.

0:30:04.600 --> 0:30:07.280
<v Speaker 3>Well, the pilot is still the is still the backup there,

0:30:07.600 --> 0:30:09.960
<v Speaker 3>they still get trained to handle some things, right. But

0:30:10.040 --> 0:30:13.160
<v Speaker 3>what we found like there were things like we would say, oh,

0:30:13.480 --> 0:30:15.960
<v Speaker 3>astronauts need to and the new spaceship need to control

0:30:16.040 --> 0:30:18.640
<v Speaker 3>these one hundred things, and and he would come back

0:30:18.640 --> 0:30:21.480
<v Speaker 3>and he say, wow, for like, let's say ninety of

0:30:21.520 --> 0:30:25.680
<v Speaker 3>these things, there's a greater chance of you killing yourself

0:30:25.720 --> 0:30:30.080
<v Speaker 3>as opposed to the automation. Hand. Okay, we the automation,

0:30:30.240 --> 0:30:32.360
<v Speaker 3>but there's always there's a few things that that people

0:30:32.520 --> 0:30:34.440
<v Speaker 3>will always be able to do. I think as the

0:30:34.640 --> 0:30:36.840
<v Speaker 3>as the backup to the backup to the backup.

0:30:36.760 --> 0:30:41.240
<v Speaker 1>Has technology changed, like the AI changed the space program immensely,

0:30:41.400 --> 0:30:41.960
<v Speaker 1>it has it?

0:30:42.160 --> 0:30:45.200
<v Speaker 3>I think so, yes, it makes easier, it does, yeah,

0:30:45.200 --> 0:30:47.880
<v Speaker 3>And I think it does make it safer because it's

0:30:48.040 --> 0:30:50.960
<v Speaker 3>your The design of the spaceships are safer too. The

0:30:51.000 --> 0:30:55.440
<v Speaker 3>Shuttle was a dangerous spaceship. The odds of total destruction

0:30:55.520 --> 0:30:57.480
<v Speaker 3>and loss of crew were one out of seventy five.

0:30:57.600 --> 0:30:58.280
<v Speaker 2>We saw that.

0:30:58.320 --> 0:31:00.800
<v Speaker 3>We saw that twice, right, major accidents, and you would

0:31:00.840 --> 0:31:03.120
<v Speaker 3>keep losing them if you kept flying them, eventually something

0:31:03.160 --> 0:31:03.720
<v Speaker 3>else would happen.

0:31:03.720 --> 0:31:04.440
<v Speaker 2>They were getting old.

0:31:04.600 --> 0:31:09.240
<v Speaker 1>That's an unaccepted level that is not good.

0:31:09.280 --> 0:31:10.800
<v Speaker 2>You know, no, that's not good, right.

0:31:11.280 --> 0:31:13.600
<v Speaker 3>So, but the newest you think of it, the shuttle,

0:31:14.160 --> 0:31:18.000
<v Speaker 3>it had its its thermal protection system was exposed, which

0:31:18.040 --> 0:31:20.280
<v Speaker 3>is how we lost the second, the second Space Shuttle.

0:31:20.640 --> 0:31:22.960
<v Speaker 3>Even your borch you had to come back to the

0:31:23.040 --> 0:31:25.200
<v Speaker 3>launch site or you had to go across the ocean

0:31:25.560 --> 0:31:28.320
<v Speaker 3>to make it to you needed a runway where and

0:31:28.360 --> 0:31:32.120
<v Speaker 3>you couldn't separate from the stack until after until after

0:31:32.160 --> 0:31:33.880
<v Speaker 3>a few minutes. You could not just get out of

0:31:33.920 --> 0:31:36.080
<v Speaker 3>there when it was a problem. You couldn't abort from

0:31:36.120 --> 0:31:39.400
<v Speaker 3>the stack got full. That's a flying bomb. It's a

0:31:39.400 --> 0:31:42.600
<v Speaker 3>flying bombing. Only the only even the only abortion earraws

0:31:42.600 --> 0:31:44.960
<v Speaker 3>we had was after the solid rocket boosters left, and

0:31:44.960 --> 0:31:47.600
<v Speaker 3>that was two minutes in. There was no abort before then.

0:31:47.640 --> 0:31:49.920
<v Speaker 3>You would, did you when you're going up? You sweat

0:31:49.920 --> 0:31:52.120
<v Speaker 3>for the first couple of minutes, Yeah, the first couple

0:31:52.160 --> 0:31:53.960
<v Speaker 3>of the It was more you know what it really was.

0:31:54.000 --> 0:31:56.480
<v Speaker 3>It was scary looking at that spaceship man after me

0:31:56.720 --> 0:31:59.840
<v Speaker 3>on my first one way to yeah, standing outside of it.

0:32:00.000 --> 0:32:01.800
<v Speaker 3>You know, we arrived there was a night launched my

0:32:01.840 --> 0:32:03.720
<v Speaker 3>first one, and we got out there in the middle

0:32:03.720 --> 0:32:06.600
<v Speaker 3>of the night and you know it was dark, which is,

0:32:06.760 --> 0:32:11.000
<v Speaker 3>you know, so scary and darker, and it's no one

0:32:11.040 --> 0:32:13.240
<v Speaker 3>around the place is deserted because they put fuel in there,

0:32:13.280 --> 0:32:16.400
<v Speaker 3>and because you have a bomb sitting there, you know,

0:32:16.400 --> 0:32:17.760
<v Speaker 3>and they won't get out of there. There's only a

0:32:17.800 --> 0:32:22.000
<v Speaker 3>few people and we get it's all lit up really

0:32:22.000 --> 0:32:24.040
<v Speaker 3>brightly and all the support structures. It looks like a

0:32:24.040 --> 0:32:26.520
<v Speaker 3>space ship. And it's this smoke coming off of it.

0:32:26.520 --> 0:32:29.480
<v Speaker 3>It's just a water vapor. Yeah, and yeah, and you

0:32:29.600 --> 0:32:32.000
<v Speaker 3>hear these really you hear that, and you hear like

0:32:32.080 --> 0:32:35.360
<v Speaker 3>this groans. I think it's like the crygenic fuel going. Yeah,

0:32:35.480 --> 0:32:39.680
<v Speaker 3>and it looked like it looked like an angry beast, right,

0:32:39.800 --> 0:32:42.720
<v Speaker 3>and it sounded angry. And looking up at that thing,

0:32:42.720 --> 0:32:44.840
<v Speaker 3>and that night, and after all these years of you know,

0:32:44.920 --> 0:32:46.640
<v Speaker 3>you were saying, since we were little kids dreaming of

0:32:46.680 --> 0:32:48.760
<v Speaker 3>doing this, you know, it hit me maybe this wasn't

0:32:48.800 --> 0:32:52.960
<v Speaker 3>such a good idea, right, Yeah. I had to get

0:32:53.000 --> 0:32:54.760
<v Speaker 3>on once I Once I got on, I was okay.

0:32:54.920 --> 0:32:56.640
<v Speaker 3>And that was once you get in there, it seems normal,

0:32:56.840 --> 0:32:59.320
<v Speaker 3>really weird. It's like thinking about it is worse than

0:32:59.320 --> 0:33:01.600
<v Speaker 3>doing it. But we were all well trained. We had

0:33:01.600 --> 0:33:03.120
<v Speaker 3>stuff to think about and stuff to do, and we

0:33:03.160 --> 0:33:06.720
<v Speaker 3>had emergency placards, and the emergency placards were like, right,

0:33:07.000 --> 0:33:09.680
<v Speaker 3>once we took off, I realized I had no control

0:33:09.680 --> 0:33:10.240
<v Speaker 3>over this thing.

0:33:10.280 --> 0:33:10.960
<v Speaker 2>It's either going to be.

0:33:11.000 --> 0:33:12.640
<v Speaker 3>A good day or a bad day, right, And I

0:33:12.640 --> 0:33:14.440
<v Speaker 3>was looking at that placard which tells us what to

0:33:14.520 --> 0:33:17.320
<v Speaker 3>you know, unstrapped, remove your calm, pull the green apple

0:33:17.360 --> 0:33:20.360
<v Speaker 3>which is oxygen, all these things. I'm like, this is

0:33:20.440 --> 0:33:21.840
<v Speaker 3>just something there to read while.

0:33:21.640 --> 0:33:22.800
<v Speaker 2>We died, you know.

0:33:23.600 --> 0:33:25.560
<v Speaker 3>And that was like my suggestion was like, why don't

0:33:25.560 --> 0:33:27.400
<v Speaker 3>you get a couple of magazines or something up here,

0:33:27.400 --> 0:33:28.600
<v Speaker 3>because this.

0:33:28.480 --> 0:33:29.320
<v Speaker 2>Ain't going to help you.

0:33:29.200 --> 0:33:30.440
<v Speaker 3>You know, this is not what I want to be

0:33:30.480 --> 0:33:32.400
<v Speaker 3>looking at my last couple of seconds here.

0:33:32.800 --> 0:33:35.720
<v Speaker 1>So you get There's one thing you talked to me about.

0:33:36.120 --> 0:33:38.520
<v Speaker 1>You do the rendezvous in space, and it just occurd

0:33:38.560 --> 0:33:43.040
<v Speaker 1>to me. If you're traveling the super high speed seventeen

0:33:43.080 --> 0:33:46.360
<v Speaker 1>thousand miles an hour so fast, and you're connecting with

0:33:46.440 --> 0:33:50.400
<v Speaker 1>another vessel that is traveling at that correct so if

0:33:50.400 --> 0:33:53.160
<v Speaker 1>that goes wrong, that's a fucking mess.

0:33:53.240 --> 0:33:57.080
<v Speaker 3>Right away, you're flying in formation at that speed. And

0:33:57.240 --> 0:34:00.360
<v Speaker 3>it was a manually flown rendezvous with the show. So

0:34:00.400 --> 0:34:03.360
<v Speaker 3>these pilots, man these pilots like the guys you were

0:34:03.400 --> 0:34:06.440
<v Speaker 3>saying at that aviation event that you're at, these are

0:34:06.480 --> 0:34:07.560
<v Speaker 3>the best pilots.

0:34:07.160 --> 0:34:10.360
<v Speaker 2>In the world that are doing this stuff. I'm so crazy.

0:34:10.920 --> 0:34:13.759
<v Speaker 2>But you're flying in formation at seventeen thou five miles

0:34:13.800 --> 0:34:14.120
<v Speaker 2>an hour.

0:34:14.280 --> 0:34:16.879
<v Speaker 1>So when you do it with another another space ship,

0:34:16.920 --> 0:34:19.440
<v Speaker 1>our space ship comes up at that point, do you

0:34:19.440 --> 0:34:23.440
<v Speaker 1>get a sense of perception about the speed or because

0:34:23.440 --> 0:34:25.000
<v Speaker 1>they are traveling the same speed, they've.

0:34:24.800 --> 0:34:27.520
<v Speaker 3>Traveled in the same so it's all relative and it's

0:34:27.719 --> 0:34:29.359
<v Speaker 3>it's like kind of you know, you travel, if you've

0:34:29.400 --> 0:34:32.040
<v Speaker 3>flown in formation with another airplorant, you're going quite fast

0:34:32.719 --> 0:34:34.759
<v Speaker 3>relative to that other airplane. Your whole world's that other

0:34:34.800 --> 0:34:37.719
<v Speaker 3>airplane doing that. And you might look at the air

0:34:37.760 --> 0:34:41.440
<v Speaker 3>speed and scare yourself because you're flying, but it's kind

0:34:41.440 --> 0:34:43.719
<v Speaker 3>of like that. You don't realize that you're going that

0:34:43.719 --> 0:34:44.360
<v Speaker 3>that quickly.

0:34:44.480 --> 0:34:47.000
<v Speaker 1>That's amazing. And you were up there for a long time, right,

0:34:48.360 --> 0:34:51.320
<v Speaker 1>not by today's standards. It was twelve days and fourteen

0:34:51.360 --> 0:34:53.680
<v Speaker 1>days my two missions. Right now, these guys are up

0:34:53.680 --> 0:34:56.440
<v Speaker 1>in there six months. We had one dude, my friend

0:34:56.480 --> 0:34:59.360
<v Speaker 1>Scott Kelly, was there for nearly a year. Frank Rubio

0:34:59.480 --> 0:35:01.480
<v Speaker 1>just returned after a year. He got stuck there for

0:35:01.480 --> 0:35:04.759
<v Speaker 1>a while. A year, Yeah, over a year in space. Like,

0:35:04.880 --> 0:35:07.000
<v Speaker 1>first of all, what exercises you doing it?

0:35:07.080 --> 0:35:07.600
<v Speaker 2>Keep it?

0:35:08.040 --> 0:35:10.120
<v Speaker 3>So when we were there, we we you know, a

0:35:10.120 --> 0:35:12.919
<v Speaker 3>couple of weeks is of that bunch of a big deta.

0:35:13.000 --> 0:35:14.920
<v Speaker 3>You're not you're not going to atrophy laying around for

0:35:15.120 --> 0:35:17.520
<v Speaker 3>It's kind of like you're in bedrestling in zero gravity.

0:35:17.719 --> 0:35:20.400
<v Speaker 3>We were space walking, that's exercise. And we had like

0:35:20.640 --> 0:35:22.840
<v Speaker 3>we'd like these sterr bands, try to keep some of

0:35:22.880 --> 0:35:25.200
<v Speaker 3>your muscle and you know, the things you pull on,

0:35:25.280 --> 0:35:27.440
<v Speaker 3>you know. And then and we had a bike to

0:35:27.520 --> 0:35:31.960
<v Speaker 3>ride ergometer, a stationary kind of peloton type thing. Yeah,

0:35:32.280 --> 0:35:34.719
<v Speaker 3>it was a NASA's own invention. Yeah, peloton would have

0:35:34.719 --> 0:35:37.719
<v Speaker 3>been a step up. There's something like that now probably, Yeah,

0:35:38.040 --> 0:35:40.239
<v Speaker 3>they probably have a Starbucks up there now. You can't

0:35:40.280 --> 0:35:44.040
<v Speaker 3>get good coffee when I was an astronaut, though, you

0:35:44.080 --> 0:35:45.120
<v Speaker 3>don't want to be dependent on.

0:35:45.239 --> 0:35:49.319
<v Speaker 1>I also think being a little caffeinated in space and

0:35:49.400 --> 0:35:51.080
<v Speaker 1>you really didn't get nothing to do, it's probably not

0:35:51.120 --> 0:36:01.359
<v Speaker 1>a great.

0:36:00.160 --> 0:36:02.240
<v Speaker 2>Let me as this. You're talking about doing space walks.

0:36:02.239 --> 0:36:04.040
<v Speaker 1>You've done space walks, yes, So you go out this

0:36:04.120 --> 0:36:05.920
<v Speaker 1>is a vehicle traveling at seventeen thousand miles A.

0:36:05.960 --> 0:36:07.000
<v Speaker 2>No, yes, quite fast.

0:36:07.040 --> 0:36:09.319
<v Speaker 1>So you're getting out of this vehicle, right, you are

0:36:09.360 --> 0:36:13.759
<v Speaker 1>also traveling at seventeen an hour. Yes, no, but you're

0:36:13.760 --> 0:36:17.920
<v Speaker 1>not experiencing any sense of motion because there's no friction.

0:36:18.280 --> 0:36:21.280
<v Speaker 3>There's yeah, and there's no reference either. Looking at the planets,

0:36:21.320 --> 0:36:23.160
<v Speaker 3>you're like, oh, that's but it's so far. It's you know,

0:36:23.200 --> 0:36:25.040
<v Speaker 3>far away from you. So it's kind of when you're

0:36:25.080 --> 0:36:27.000
<v Speaker 3>flying and you come up to a cloud, right, you know,

0:36:27.280 --> 0:36:29.200
<v Speaker 3>you think you're going maybe you're going you know, and

0:36:29.239 --> 0:36:31.080
<v Speaker 3>then all of a sudden you come up to this cloud.

0:36:31.120 --> 0:36:33.720
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's gone. Yeah, that's like freeze.

0:36:34.239 --> 0:36:36.120
<v Speaker 3>Well, if you're in if you got stuff going by

0:36:36.160 --> 0:36:39.160
<v Speaker 3>in a cloud, WHOA, what's going on here? It's like,

0:36:39.280 --> 0:36:41.800
<v Speaker 3>I'm going fast right when you're out in the open space,

0:36:42.000 --> 0:36:44.680
<v Speaker 3>you don't necessarily still get it right, yeah, So that

0:36:44.800 --> 0:36:46.400
<v Speaker 3>we don't have any turbulence or any of that. So

0:36:46.440 --> 0:36:48.839
<v Speaker 3>there's no queue to let your brain know that you're

0:36:48.840 --> 0:36:51.560
<v Speaker 3>going fast. So you're not except for the indication on

0:36:51.600 --> 0:36:52.200
<v Speaker 3>that instrument.

0:36:52.320 --> 0:36:55.680
<v Speaker 1>So what about the psychological lyumpire. I mean you were

0:36:55.760 --> 0:36:57.360
<v Speaker 1>up there for a couple of weeks. That's even a

0:36:57.360 --> 0:37:00.760
<v Speaker 1>couple of minutes. For me, it would be. There's questions

0:37:00.800 --> 0:37:03.400
<v Speaker 1>you ask yourself, Man, you I mean you, you're like,

0:37:03.640 --> 0:37:07.200
<v Speaker 1>who am I? Where am I? In the sense of things? Here,

0:37:07.280 --> 0:37:11.040
<v Speaker 1>I'm like, you get to see the universe and like

0:37:11.080 --> 0:37:13.279
<v Speaker 1>you get a sense of how small you are and

0:37:13.360 --> 0:37:16.400
<v Speaker 1>the and how small our planet is the sense of things.

0:37:16.880 --> 0:37:19.120
<v Speaker 1>Did it do a number on you or any of

0:37:19.160 --> 0:37:22.080
<v Speaker 1>your buddies? Psychologically? The people do the Do they even

0:37:22.120 --> 0:37:23.520
<v Speaker 1>debrief you with that stuff?

0:37:23.760 --> 0:37:24.640
<v Speaker 2>We don't. It's not.

0:37:24.800 --> 0:37:27.000
<v Speaker 3>You may talk amongst yourselves, but it's not. It's more

0:37:27.080 --> 0:37:29.960
<v Speaker 3>something that's of interest to people outside of NASA.

0:37:30.080 --> 0:37:32.120
<v Speaker 2>I think when they ask us about that, it's interesting.

0:37:32.160 --> 0:37:35.719
<v Speaker 3>But I never felt small man, because you look this

0:37:35.800 --> 0:37:38.200
<v Speaker 3>planet we have, it is beautiful.

0:37:38.320 --> 0:37:40.840
<v Speaker 2>It is right compared to.

0:37:40.880 --> 0:37:45.040
<v Speaker 1>The other planets frozen crap.

0:37:46.360 --> 0:37:49.120
<v Speaker 3>I mean really, the worst place that you can imagine

0:37:49.160 --> 0:37:52.399
<v Speaker 3>on our planet is a paradise on Mars man, compared to.

0:37:52.440 --> 0:37:55.520
<v Speaker 2>You, right, although I've had this idea for Mars.

0:37:56.040 --> 0:37:58.600
<v Speaker 1>See you think like I think, we go to Mars

0:37:59.680 --> 0:38:05.520
<v Speaker 1>it's off a bunch of nukes, yeah, and create an atmosphere.

0:38:05.520 --> 0:38:07.719
<v Speaker 2>What do you think did it work? I don't know.

0:38:07.760 --> 0:38:10.520
<v Speaker 2>I just thought it might be cool, but at.

0:38:10.480 --> 0:38:15.680
<v Speaker 3>Least yeah, yeah, I don't know.

0:38:16.040 --> 0:38:16.400
<v Speaker 2>I don't know.

0:38:17.520 --> 0:38:20.160
<v Speaker 1>Maybe put some like water in the bombs and then

0:38:20.400 --> 0:38:22.400
<v Speaker 1>like that would get an atmosphere, you know, you know it's.

0:38:23.440 --> 0:38:25.480
<v Speaker 3>I don't know if that would work or not, but

0:38:25.560 --> 0:38:28.239
<v Speaker 3>it's it's it's that outside of the box thinking is

0:38:28.280 --> 0:38:31.920
<v Speaker 3>what we need. Well, not necessarily, but that's that's very creative.

0:38:32.160 --> 0:38:36.080
<v Speaker 3>Have you asked anyone beside me about this that you submitted?

0:38:36.160 --> 0:38:36.600
<v Speaker 2>Maybe it is.

0:38:36.920 --> 0:38:40.359
<v Speaker 1>Look, I'm asking you because you have a degree, I do,

0:38:40.600 --> 0:38:43.480
<v Speaker 1>you went to college, You've written books, and I'm going

0:38:43.520 --> 0:38:45.600
<v Speaker 1>to ask you because I know we can side tracked

0:38:45.640 --> 0:38:49.000
<v Speaker 1>with little Mike becoming an astronaut. So you get a

0:38:49.000 --> 0:38:51.280
<v Speaker 1>book by the way, too, Well it's a book about

0:38:51.280 --> 0:38:54.719
<v Speaker 1>her becoming a national But interestingly, because I talked to

0:38:54.760 --> 0:38:56.680
<v Speaker 1>you when you come in, I saw you were wearing

0:38:56.680 --> 0:38:58.640
<v Speaker 1>a suit. Now I'm like, there was a fancy suit,

0:38:58.680 --> 0:39:00.920
<v Speaker 1>and I'm like, very fancy. Yes you look fancy. And

0:39:00.920 --> 0:39:04.360
<v Speaker 1>you tell me you were speaking to a bunch of businessmen. Yes, motivation,

0:39:04.680 --> 0:39:05.880
<v Speaker 1>you do a lot of that now.

0:39:05.880 --> 0:39:08.359
<v Speaker 3>I do. Yeah, I do a few of those a month.

0:39:08.640 --> 0:39:11.239
<v Speaker 3>I've got three this week, So it's a busy week

0:39:11.239 --> 0:39:11.440
<v Speaker 3>for that.

0:39:11.600 --> 0:39:14.759
<v Speaker 1>So and you talk to people about decision, make it

0:39:14.840 --> 0:39:15.400
<v Speaker 1>under pressure.

0:39:15.440 --> 0:39:18.040
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, all kinds of things. Today, it was about leadership,

0:39:18.160 --> 0:39:20.240
<v Speaker 3>like how we ok leadership promoting people.

0:39:20.360 --> 0:39:22.600
<v Speaker 2>Were you in charge when you were in the Space Station.

0:39:22.840 --> 0:39:25.600
<v Speaker 3>No, I was not the commander of the spaceship, but

0:39:25.680 --> 0:39:28.360
<v Speaker 3>I wasn't for other projects that I worked on at NASA.

0:39:28.400 --> 0:39:30.719
<v Speaker 3>For my space walks, I was the lead on my spacewalks.

0:39:30.760 --> 0:39:33.759
<v Speaker 3>So the commander of the of the Space Shuttle was

0:39:33.920 --> 0:39:35.520
<v Speaker 3>it was our commander who was a pilot. It was

0:39:35.560 --> 0:39:38.400
<v Speaker 3>commander of the missions for the space station. Though it

0:39:38.440 --> 0:39:40.640
<v Speaker 3>doesn't have to be a military test pilot who's in charge.

0:39:40.640 --> 0:39:42.920
<v Speaker 3>But I never was at the space station, but we

0:39:42.960 --> 0:39:45.080
<v Speaker 3>had other you know, like I was. I was the

0:39:45.160 --> 0:39:47.400
<v Speaker 3>lead guy from my spacewalks and for other projects that

0:39:47.440 --> 0:39:50.080
<v Speaker 3>I worked on. So I talked about some of the

0:39:50.160 --> 0:39:52.200
<v Speaker 3>lessons that I learned there about leadership.

0:39:52.239 --> 0:39:54.640
<v Speaker 2>Tell me about that. Then, what did you learn about leaders.

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<v Speaker 3>So I learned this from Alan Bean, who was the

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<v Speaker 3>fourth person to walk on them. I think I'm at

0:40:00.880 --> 0:40:03.080
<v Speaker 3>them and you might he's an artist as well.

0:40:03.160 --> 0:40:06.200
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, I'm pretty sure amazing person. Yeah, So he drew.

0:40:06.320 --> 0:40:10.200
<v Speaker 3>He painted these amazing landscapes of his experiences. And very

0:40:10.280 --> 0:40:13.040
<v Speaker 3>nice man. He passed unfortunately a few years ago.

0:40:14.200 --> 0:40:14.839
<v Speaker 2>I didn't mean him.

0:40:14.880 --> 0:40:17.799
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, but he told me that the key to being

0:40:17.840 --> 0:40:19.759
<v Speaker 3>a good leader was to find a way to care

0:40:19.840 --> 0:40:23.759
<v Speaker 3>for and admire everyone on your team. So you have

0:40:23.800 --> 0:40:26.200
<v Speaker 3>to figure out a way for every one of those

0:40:26.239 --> 0:40:28.840
<v Speaker 3>everyone who you're who's looking up to you, that you're leading,

0:40:29.280 --> 0:40:32.000
<v Speaker 3>figure out a way to care for and admire each

0:40:32.040 --> 0:40:34.120
<v Speaker 3>one of them. And they have to know that you

0:40:34.239 --> 0:40:37.600
<v Speaker 3>care about them. And if you find someone that you

0:40:37.880 --> 0:40:40.960
<v Speaker 3>just don't like, right, don't think of it is that

0:40:41.000 --> 0:40:43.040
<v Speaker 3>you don't like them. Think of it as if you

0:40:43.080 --> 0:40:45.520
<v Speaker 3>don't know them well enough, and take the time to

0:40:45.560 --> 0:40:48.239
<v Speaker 3>get to know them and get that good thought. I

0:40:48.320 --> 0:40:50.120
<v Speaker 3>call it in the book I write about it is

0:40:50.120 --> 0:40:52.480
<v Speaker 3>like your bank of good thoughts. Try to get a

0:40:52.480 --> 0:40:55.279
<v Speaker 3>good thought about everybody. So when they do something that

0:40:55.400 --> 0:40:58.560
<v Speaker 3>might aggravate you, or they do something wrong, go there

0:40:58.600 --> 0:41:00.960
<v Speaker 3>first for that good thought before you address the problem.

0:41:01.120 --> 0:41:04.120
<v Speaker 2>You live your life like that. I try.

0:41:04.280 --> 0:41:06.400
<v Speaker 3>I try to do that, and I have a different

0:41:06.400 --> 0:41:07.120
<v Speaker 3>approach in the car.

0:41:07.200 --> 0:41:10.160
<v Speaker 1>That's a different approach in the car.

0:41:10.440 --> 0:41:13.080
<v Speaker 2>The driver. Yeah, that's what I'm not going to scream

0:41:13.120 --> 0:41:15.000
<v Speaker 2>at him or you know, you know what I mean.

0:41:15.400 --> 0:41:17.239
<v Speaker 2>But you never know who the driver is. You never

0:41:17.280 --> 0:41:18.719
<v Speaker 2>know what it could be you next to me, you know,

0:41:18.880 --> 0:41:21.120
<v Speaker 2>you know what I could be in it. I always I.

0:41:21.160 --> 0:41:24.160
<v Speaker 1>Always try to think that maybe it's like a nurse

0:41:24.280 --> 0:41:27.720
<v Speaker 1>or a doctor and he or she is like getting

0:41:27.760 --> 0:41:30.600
<v Speaker 1>somewhere or just come from something really hard, or you know,

0:41:30.760 --> 0:41:32.879
<v Speaker 1>like try and get it in perspective. Yes, I don't

0:41:32.920 --> 0:41:35.480
<v Speaker 1>always manage that. I got to be honest, It depends.

0:41:36.239 --> 0:41:39.200
<v Speaker 1>I drive around a lot here in New York. I

0:41:39.200 --> 0:41:41.200
<v Speaker 1>don't really drive here, and I don't mind it.

0:41:41.280 --> 0:41:44.320
<v Speaker 3>But you've got to have patients because people are working.

0:41:44.880 --> 0:41:47.520
<v Speaker 3>People are either there driving people, places are unloading things.

0:41:47.520 --> 0:41:49.920
<v Speaker 3>People are in there, living out there in the streets. Man, well,

0:41:50.000 --> 0:41:51.920
<v Speaker 3>you don't want to hold them up. It's God understand.

0:41:51.960 --> 0:41:54.680
<v Speaker 1>It's a funny thing about New York. I mean, it's funny.

0:41:54.680 --> 0:41:56.839
<v Speaker 1>I was talking to a friend of mine. I said,

0:41:56.880 --> 0:41:58.719
<v Speaker 1>you know, I'm moving back to New York because I'm

0:41:58.760 --> 0:42:00.879
<v Speaker 1>in New York, like a really yeah. And a lot

0:42:00.920 --> 0:42:02.879
<v Speaker 1>of the time I'm in New York and so up

0:42:02.880 --> 0:42:06.880
<v Speaker 1>near you. Actually yeah, yeah, all right, so you.

0:42:06.920 --> 0:42:09.200
<v Speaker 3>Probably don't want to give away your address in the

0:42:09.239 --> 0:42:10.640
<v Speaker 3>general area.

0:42:10.719 --> 0:42:13.520
<v Speaker 2>I'm on the Upper east Side right right.

0:42:13.400 --> 0:42:16.319
<v Speaker 3>It's if I knew about the Upper east Side. I

0:42:16.440 --> 0:42:19.200
<v Speaker 3>never wanted to go to space. Don't you love that greatest?

0:42:19.400 --> 0:42:23.800
<v Speaker 3>It is like Disneyland greatest neighbor steroids for older people.

0:42:23.960 --> 0:42:25.719
<v Speaker 2>Unbelievable. I love it. I'm telling you.

0:42:25.719 --> 0:42:27.719
<v Speaker 1>You can get to a drug store, you can get

0:42:27.719 --> 0:42:31.400
<v Speaker 1>a big old nice people. This Dorman everywhere, keeping an

0:42:31.400 --> 0:42:33.319
<v Speaker 1>eye on Dorman are everywhere.

0:42:33.440 --> 0:42:36.040
<v Speaker 2>It's awesome. You know what those dogs? You know what

0:42:36.160 --> 0:42:37.200
<v Speaker 2>I discovered here?

0:42:37.280 --> 0:42:39.560
<v Speaker 1>You you like to drive. So here's the thing I discovered.

0:42:40.280 --> 0:42:44.200
<v Speaker 1>It's a parking ticket twice a week, sixty five bucks.

0:42:44.280 --> 0:42:46.759
<v Speaker 2>That's it to park on the street. Yeah, but you

0:42:46.840 --> 0:42:49.920
<v Speaker 2>only get a parking ticket twice a week. Yes, that's

0:42:49.960 --> 0:42:51.840
<v Speaker 2>the cheapest fucking parking in New York. This is a

0:42:51.880 --> 0:42:52.400
<v Speaker 2>true statement.

0:42:52.480 --> 0:42:55.760
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so you just illegally park pay your tickets.

0:42:55.960 --> 0:42:57.439
<v Speaker 2>This is and you may not even get a ticket.

0:42:57.560 --> 0:42:59.399
<v Speaker 2>You might not you might not even have to pay.

0:42:59.600 --> 0:43:02.799
<v Speaker 2>You might not get it anyway. Look absolutely right. But

0:43:02.840 --> 0:43:05.319
<v Speaker 2>I still I park on the street a lot. I

0:43:05.320 --> 0:43:05.600
<v Speaker 2>have to.

0:43:05.800 --> 0:43:07.719
<v Speaker 3>I have spots in the garage, but I also park

0:43:07.760 --> 0:43:09.720
<v Speaker 3>on the street lot. To me, it's like a hobby.

0:43:10.280 --> 0:43:13.239
<v Speaker 3>Where to park when you know I know that I

0:43:13.239 --> 0:43:15.160
<v Speaker 3>have the streets memorized. Now you know where it is,

0:43:15.200 --> 0:43:17.840
<v Speaker 3>where the hydrant is, where the driveways are, and you

0:43:18.080 --> 0:43:18.759
<v Speaker 3>like something to do.

0:43:19.400 --> 0:43:22.480
<v Speaker 1>Hobby, got to know. So I said to someone, I

0:43:22.600 --> 0:43:24.279
<v Speaker 1>spent a lot more time in New York. Like, no,

0:43:24.440 --> 0:43:26.760
<v Speaker 1>for tax reasons, I can't spend all my year.

0:43:26.640 --> 0:43:30.120
<v Speaker 2>In New York, but I spent. Yeah, but I found

0:43:30.120 --> 0:43:32.840
<v Speaker 2>out about that too, so I you know, I'm less

0:43:32.840 --> 0:43:35.000
<v Speaker 2>than one hundred and eighty days a year in New

0:43:35.080 --> 0:43:36.120
<v Speaker 2>York City. Genius.

0:43:36.560 --> 0:43:39.480
<v Speaker 1>But I said to someone I'm going back to New York.

0:43:39.719 --> 0:43:41.800
<v Speaker 1>And he said, you hate people. Why would you go

0:43:41.840 --> 0:43:43.000
<v Speaker 1>to a place that's full of people.

0:43:43.080 --> 0:43:44.279
<v Speaker 2>I said, it's New York.

0:43:44.400 --> 0:43:50.759
<v Speaker 1>Everybody hates people in New York, where, amongst their own times.

0:43:49.719 --> 0:43:51.560
<v Speaker 3>No one takes offense to that.

0:43:52.440 --> 0:43:53.200
<v Speaker 2>Get out of the way.

0:43:53.239 --> 0:43:57.080
<v Speaker 1>You get out of the way, Okay, okay, yeah, it's

0:43:57.520 --> 0:43:58.400
<v Speaker 1>it's the way it is.

0:43:58.520 --> 0:43:58.800
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

0:43:59.120 --> 0:44:02.479
<v Speaker 1>And I was I was talking to Eleana Douglas today,

0:44:02.480 --> 0:44:04.640
<v Speaker 1>you know, the actress, and Ileana Duncan's.

0:44:04.200 --> 0:44:06.080
<v Speaker 2>A great actress and real New Yorker.

0:44:06.520 --> 0:44:09.120
<v Speaker 1>And I said to her, I think what happens is

0:44:09.280 --> 0:44:11.880
<v Speaker 1>if you are like if you come to New York

0:44:12.800 --> 0:44:15.040
<v Speaker 1>because I lived in LA for twenty three years. Yeah,

0:44:15.120 --> 0:44:18.839
<v Speaker 1>she lived in LA for like fourteen years. But if

0:44:18.880 --> 0:44:21.279
<v Speaker 1>you're a New Yorker, it doesn't matter what. It's kind

0:44:21.280 --> 0:44:23.600
<v Speaker 1>of like the I R S like, it doesn't matter

0:44:23.600 --> 0:44:26.279
<v Speaker 1>where you go. It it doesn't matter where you go,

0:44:26.400 --> 0:44:27.360
<v Speaker 1>They're going to come and get you.

0:44:27.440 --> 0:44:30.799
<v Speaker 2>And yeah, oh god, yeah yeah yeah, yeah. Yeah.

0:44:30.800 --> 0:44:32.719
<v Speaker 1>It's like I tried living in Scotland. I'm like, yeah,

0:44:32.719 --> 0:44:33.800
<v Speaker 1>but you're an American syst.

0:44:33.840 --> 0:44:38.640
<v Speaker 3>Yeah you're like, no, well that's very n I'm not

0:44:38.719 --> 0:44:42.000
<v Speaker 3>a CPA or anything. But I am amazed that the

0:44:42.120 --> 0:44:45.600
<v Speaker 3>creative ways that they'll get money from. My God, no

0:44:45.640 --> 0:44:47.479
<v Speaker 3>one can afford to live here yet. How many people

0:44:47.480 --> 0:44:49.600
<v Speaker 3>do we have? Ten million? Yeah here and.

0:44:49.880 --> 0:44:52.880
<v Speaker 2>Know, yeah, I don't know how it's done. Yeah, how

0:44:52.960 --> 0:44:55.319
<v Speaker 2>we do it? You know, you just have to take

0:44:55.440 --> 0:44:56.600
<v Speaker 2>turns living here.

0:44:56.640 --> 0:44:59.719
<v Speaker 1>You just have to find out how much they're going

0:44:59.760 --> 0:45:01.680
<v Speaker 1>to let you've been here, and it's like I take

0:45:01.760 --> 0:45:05.120
<v Speaker 1>a little less, and then that's.

0:45:04.960 --> 0:45:05.440
<v Speaker 2>What it is.

0:45:05.920 --> 0:45:08.440
<v Speaker 1>So now then at this point in your life, you

0:45:08.520 --> 0:45:12.440
<v Speaker 1>know the same age, and I kind of I'm not retired.

0:45:12.440 --> 0:45:14.960
<v Speaker 1>I couldn't retire. I tried sort of retire. It drove me,

0:45:15.400 --> 0:45:18.080
<v Speaker 1>It threw me crazy. I hated you know, I started

0:45:18.080 --> 0:45:21.440
<v Speaker 1>doing like home improvement and all that.

0:45:21.880 --> 0:45:22.480
<v Speaker 2>It's awful.

0:45:22.560 --> 0:45:26.560
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's overrated, putting up shelves and stuff that. It's

0:45:26.719 --> 0:45:30.520
<v Speaker 1>it's it with my wife. Well that's nice, it's great, Yeah,

0:45:30.560 --> 0:45:36.040
<v Speaker 1>but too much. I started ir Yeah, I've noticed that

0:45:36.239 --> 0:45:38.360
<v Speaker 1>if I'm there too long, it's kind of like, don't

0:45:38.400 --> 0:45:41.959
<v Speaker 1>you Yeah, Now.

0:45:43.520 --> 0:45:48.920
<v Speaker 2>I didn't marry you for lunch, so what do you?

0:45:48.960 --> 0:45:51.120
<v Speaker 2>What do you do? Like? You do the speaking engagements? Now?

0:45:51.200 --> 0:45:53.120
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I really like and that yeah, and and that

0:45:53.239 --> 0:45:55.840
<v Speaker 3>stuff has been you know, we talked about leadership or teamwork,

0:45:55.880 --> 0:45:57.840
<v Speaker 3>whatever we're going to talk about. And that's how the

0:45:57.880 --> 0:46:00.680
<v Speaker 3>book came about, was through that stuff. In that speaking

0:46:01.040 --> 0:46:03.160
<v Speaker 3>what resonated with you at the Autist should probably have

0:46:03.200 --> 0:46:04.520
<v Speaker 3>a podcast every realized book.

0:46:04.800 --> 0:46:05.359
<v Speaker 2>I tried it.

0:46:06.719 --> 0:46:08.000
<v Speaker 3>I did it with a buddy of mine. It was

0:46:08.000 --> 0:46:10.719
<v Speaker 3>called this Other Astronaut, Garrett Reasman. It was called two

0:46:10.719 --> 0:46:13.160
<v Speaker 3>Funny Astronauts. Yeah, because the two of us. And it

0:46:13.280 --> 0:46:16.040
<v Speaker 3>was all right, But that's that's to keep making them.

0:46:16.080 --> 0:46:17.880
<v Speaker 3>You gotta keep making We did like twenty five of

0:46:17.920 --> 0:46:19.680
<v Speaker 3>them like, ah that we're out of it. So we

0:46:20.200 --> 0:46:22.479
<v Speaker 3>kind of like that. But but I do. I teach

0:46:22.520 --> 0:46:24.479
<v Speaker 3>at Columbia. I'm on the faculty there.

0:46:24.640 --> 0:46:27.480
<v Speaker 2>That's a pretty fancy joke. You wear a fancy suit

0:46:27.520 --> 0:46:27.799
<v Speaker 2>to that.

0:46:28.080 --> 0:46:29.960
<v Speaker 3>Uh yeah, not really, though it's kind of it's a

0:46:29.960 --> 0:46:32.640
<v Speaker 3>little more the fancy suits for more of the speaking engagements.

0:46:32.680 --> 0:46:36.000
<v Speaker 2>But but I'm a professor there. Yep.

0:46:36.280 --> 0:46:38.680
<v Speaker 1>That's so, are you, doctor, Mike? I am why I

0:46:38.760 --> 0:46:41.760
<v Speaker 1>got my PhD. So that's very impressive. Maybe you should

0:46:41.800 --> 0:46:47.560
<v Speaker 1>do advice on TV. No, I don't know. I uh

0:46:47.800 --> 0:46:48.359
<v Speaker 1>don't to Mike.

0:46:48.640 --> 0:46:51.239
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I'm trying make him do advice on your podcast.

0:46:51.560 --> 0:46:52.560
<v Speaker 2>Get any advice here?

0:46:52.600 --> 0:46:56.160
<v Speaker 1>All right, So here's here's the thing, dog to Mike. Right, So,

0:46:56.800 --> 0:47:00.400
<v Speaker 1>sometimes I feel so insignificant and small, all in the

0:47:00.480 --> 0:47:05.680
<v Speaker 1>vastness of the universe, right, and I worry about God

0:47:06.160 --> 0:47:09.440
<v Speaker 1>and if he's there or she's there or you know,

0:47:09.600 --> 0:47:12.760
<v Speaker 1>and I just I have a lot of existantial anks.

0:47:12.800 --> 0:47:16.040
<v Speaker 1>Now you've been a space doctor, Mike, Yes, how should

0:47:16.080 --> 0:47:16.879
<v Speaker 1>I cope with that?

0:47:17.200 --> 0:47:19.799
<v Speaker 3>I would worry so much about that. I would try

0:47:19.840 --> 0:47:22.839
<v Speaker 3>to enjoy the planet while you can't. Ah, right, And

0:47:23.160 --> 0:47:25.759
<v Speaker 3>I don't think we're insignificant. I think that looking at

0:47:25.800 --> 0:47:28.600
<v Speaker 3>our planet from space and then you know, you look out.

0:47:28.600 --> 0:47:30.600
<v Speaker 3>We were talking about those other planets out there. I

0:47:30.640 --> 0:47:32.920
<v Speaker 3>mean you look to the blackness in the other direction.

0:47:33.360 --> 0:47:35.280
<v Speaker 3>You know, we've checked out the neighborhood. We've got nowhere

0:47:35.280 --> 0:47:36.960
<v Speaker 3>to go. We've got to make this planet work. And

0:47:37.000 --> 0:47:39.439
<v Speaker 3>it's fragile. You can see the thinness of the atmosphere,

0:47:39.640 --> 0:47:43.000
<v Speaker 3>but it is an absolute paradise. And Jim Lovell, we

0:47:43.040 --> 0:47:45.600
<v Speaker 3>mentioned him earlier, Yes, I was telling him about this.

0:47:45.680 --> 0:47:48.480
<v Speaker 3>I go, you know, it's like looking into heaven. It's beautiful.

0:47:48.560 --> 0:47:50.320
<v Speaker 3>You know, you look at our I can't imagine anything

0:47:50.440 --> 0:47:52.799
<v Speaker 3>like it. Yeah, anywhere else, you know, I think there's

0:47:52.840 --> 0:47:56.000
<v Speaker 3>life other places, but it's so beautiful. And he said,

0:47:56.280 --> 0:47:58.480
<v Speaker 3>Jim level told me, goes, Mike, you know a lot

0:47:58.480 --> 0:48:01.720
<v Speaker 3>of people hope that when they die they'll go to heaven.

0:48:02.280 --> 0:48:06.440
<v Speaker 3>I'm convinced where we were all born there, and so

0:48:07.000 --> 0:48:09.600
<v Speaker 3>I think we should. After that experience I had of

0:48:09.640 --> 0:48:13.200
<v Speaker 3>looking in space and looking at the planet, we're really

0:48:13.239 --> 0:48:15.200
<v Speaker 3>we really have it pretty good here. Even if you

0:48:15.200 --> 0:48:17.600
<v Speaker 3>don't live on the uppers side, we have it. We

0:48:17.600 --> 0:48:19.399
<v Speaker 3>should try to and that's what I would that would

0:48:19.400 --> 0:48:21.960
<v Speaker 3>be my advice to try to be amazed by what

0:48:22.000 --> 0:48:24.480
<v Speaker 3>we have right now around us. And there's a lot

0:48:24.480 --> 0:48:26.800
<v Speaker 3>of crap going on. I'm sure you know there's a

0:48:26.800 --> 0:48:29.120
<v Speaker 3>lot of bad things going on, but we are really

0:48:29.120 --> 0:48:32.520
<v Speaker 3>given an opportunity here to live on in a beautiful paradise.

0:48:32.600 --> 0:48:35.480
<v Speaker 2>Are you a religious man? I'm a spiritual person.

0:48:35.480 --> 0:48:38.399
<v Speaker 3>I'm kind of a fallen Catholic at this point, but

0:48:39.080 --> 0:48:42.200
<v Speaker 3>I believe I should believe there's a.

0:48:42.560 --> 0:48:45.400
<v Speaker 2>That's but here's what I yeah, I got one for you.

0:48:45.480 --> 0:48:48.239
<v Speaker 3>Are you Craig if I can ask, I know it's

0:48:48.239 --> 0:48:48.800
<v Speaker 3>your a podcast.

0:48:49.280 --> 0:48:53.800
<v Speaker 1>A religious person, I think religion is a human vanity, right, okay,

0:48:53.239 --> 0:48:57.279
<v Speaker 1>but I think the idea of a divine nature of

0:48:57.320 --> 0:48:58.240
<v Speaker 1>the universe totally.

0:48:58.280 --> 0:48:58.719
<v Speaker 2>I'm with you.

0:48:58.760 --> 0:49:00.799
<v Speaker 3>I think there's something going on, so at at least

0:49:00.840 --> 0:49:03.040
<v Speaker 3>that's wearing interpret things. It allows me to interpret things.

0:49:03.120 --> 0:49:06.240
<v Speaker 1>So I heard, I read this thing about the early

0:49:06.920 --> 0:49:13.400
<v Speaker 1>Christian mystics, pre Roman Christian desert mothers and fathers, Saint

0:49:13.440 --> 0:49:20.200
<v Speaker 1>Anthony Abbe Pima, origin of Alexandria, and the Vagaries of Pontus,

0:49:20.600 --> 0:49:21.440
<v Speaker 1>a lot of different people.

0:49:21.560 --> 0:49:27.640
<v Speaker 2>I think, fancy, Yes, you're Catholic, so maybe you should.

0:49:27.680 --> 0:49:28.560
<v Speaker 2>But here's the thing.

0:49:28.880 --> 0:49:31.640
<v Speaker 1>Well, they were pre Catholic, though they were pre Church Christians,

0:49:32.520 --> 0:49:38.440
<v Speaker 1>pre Roman Church Christians. The Origin of Alexandria said God

0:49:39.360 --> 0:49:44.759
<v Speaker 1>is in silence. Silence is God. And I was thinking

0:49:44.800 --> 0:49:46.759
<v Speaker 1>about that, and I was watching a YouTube thing with.

0:49:46.800 --> 0:49:48.480
<v Speaker 2>One of my boys when I was little, and it

0:49:48.520 --> 0:49:50.200
<v Speaker 2>was one of those YouTube things.

0:49:50.200 --> 0:49:53.200
<v Speaker 1>It was extrapolating from like a blade of grass all

0:49:53.200 --> 0:49:54.960
<v Speaker 1>the way out to the size of the university.

0:49:55.000 --> 0:49:56.560
<v Speaker 2>It was like animated and all that. One of these things.

0:49:56.600 --> 0:49:58.400
<v Speaker 1>He ended up watching my ten year old kids, and

0:49:59.719 --> 0:50:02.200
<v Speaker 1>it was talking about the black holes in the universe

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<v Speaker 1>and the life of the universe, and that the universe really,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, when it comes down to it, in the

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<v Speaker 1>and it'll be about mostly black holes, mostly black holes

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<v Speaker 1>which are completely silent and nothing happens there. An Origin

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<v Speaker 1>of Alexandria two thousand years ago said God is silence

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<v Speaker 1>and there's nothing happening.

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<v Speaker 2>That's what it is.

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<v Speaker 1>So I think the science and theology, which is not

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<v Speaker 1>dogmatic but a genuine quest to try and explain your existence,

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<v Speaker 1>I think they're both the same thing.

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<v Speaker 3>I happen to agree with you. I think that there's

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<v Speaker 3>no reason why they need to be in conflict. And

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<v Speaker 3>I think the more we learn, the closer we get

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<v Speaker 3>to the truth. And I think that's that's what we'll

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<v Speaker 3>find out. I think that I think the truth is

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<v Speaker 3>what we're seeking. And when we go to space actually

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<v Speaker 3>when we're exploring, observing, trying to figure out what's going on,

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<v Speaker 3>and I think it'll bring us back to that, bring

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<v Speaker 3>up it is. And there's no reason why I can't

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<v Speaker 3>coexist and agree. It doesn't have to. I think that's right.

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<v Speaker 1>And I think the only reason that the only times

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<v Speaker 1>that doesn't agree is when you get people that are

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<v Speaker 1>not prepared to accept new information. Yes, so you go, well,

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<v Speaker 1>well we have new information. I talked to it before

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<v Speaker 1>one of my kids was born. I was talked about

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<v Speaker 1>my first boy was born. I was talking to the

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<v Speaker 1>obstetrician and I said to her, so, you know, she

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<v Speaker 1>was explaining something.

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<v Speaker 2>About the baby this and that thing, and I was like,

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<v Speaker 2>oh God.

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<v Speaker 1>And she said, I the thing that, and the heartbeat

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<v Speaker 1>this and thating like that. And I said, how much

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<v Speaker 1>of this stuff that you you know of the progress

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<v Speaker 1>from you know, conception to birth, how much of it

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<v Speaker 1>do we actually know about? She said, well, if you'd

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<v Speaker 1>asked me that you know, fifteen years ago, i'd have

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<v Speaker 1>said we know about fifty or sixty percent, Yeah, she said,

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<v Speaker 1>But now we've learned so much more, I'd say we

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<v Speaker 1>know about ten percent.

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<v Speaker 2>I love it.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and I love it. Oh my god. That's a

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<v Speaker 1>real scientific answer. Yes, the more you know, the less

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<v Speaker 1>you find out what you don't know. Right, absolutely, so,

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<v Speaker 1>if you walk away from the experience you have in

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<v Speaker 1>your life, right, you've been in space, You've seen what

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<v Speaker 1>very few human beings have been prevalent enough to see,

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<v Speaker 1>and you've walked away with it, not only in type,

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<v Speaker 1>but with with.

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<v Speaker 2>Like, I feel like you're an optimistic person. I feel

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<v Speaker 2>like a yeah, I would like to think that. Yeah. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>So when the time comes for Mike's corporal tabernacle, for

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<v Speaker 1>the realm of which you physically possessed right now, what

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<v Speaker 1>do you what do you think happens?

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<v Speaker 2>What do you think happens when it's time to shuffle

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<v Speaker 2>off this mortal when we die? Yeah? Yeah, I don't know.

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<v Speaker 3>That's a great answer. I mean, I don't know, and

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<v Speaker 3>I hope it's good, but I don't. I don't know,

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<v Speaker 3>and we don't I don't you know, we have a

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<v Speaker 3>belief maybe of what happens. People have certain beliefs. So

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<v Speaker 3>that's why I think we got to make the most

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<v Speaker 3>of this. We've got to think, you know, and I

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<v Speaker 3>I do believe we're in a paradise. And and Dan Brown,

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<v Speaker 3>the author so that you know, DaVinci Code Guy, was

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<v Speaker 3>having a similar conversation with him, and he said, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>like God has given us a paradise to live, and

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<v Speaker 3>everyone wants to die and go to heaven.

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<v Speaker 2>Like this place sucks. I want out. This is terrible.

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<v Speaker 3>But if you look at it, gave us this beautiful

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<v Speaker 3>if you believe in God and you and you think

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<v Speaker 3>of the creation that we have, it is a beautiful

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<v Speaker 3>place with opportunities to do good and to help people,

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<v Speaker 3>and to to create laughter and intertain people like you do,

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<v Speaker 3>and to to have a you know, to love people

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<v Speaker 3>and be nice and enjoy well, it's a wonderful place.

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<v Speaker 3>What what would be different about heaven than what we

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<v Speaker 3>could have here if you look at it here.

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<v Speaker 1>But what you'd have to do is everyone have to

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<v Speaker 1>live in there everywhere.

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<v Speaker 3>That's really you're getting us in trouble with you. We

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<v Speaker 3>gotta we gotta restrict this podcast to a certain zip.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean other people are gonna.

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<v Speaker 2>Come for us. You know that's right.

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<v Speaker 1>The West Village go, fuck you, well, fuck you West

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<v Speaker 1>Upper west Side.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, we gotta go, Mike. It was a pleasure,

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<v Speaker 2>and I do want to plug your book one very much.

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<v Speaker 1>Moonshot and NASA Astronauts Guide to Achieving the.

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<v Speaker 2>Impossible, Craig is great scene. Let me see you make

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<v Speaker 2>always a pleasure.