WEBVTT - Ep. 63: Ryan Lampers Q&A and 2023 Season Recap of What Worked

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome back to another episode of Cutting the Distance Today.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm here with Ryan Lampers. He's back. I think he's

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<v Speaker 1>the first guest to be on three times, but I

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<v Speaker 1>always enjoy our conversations. And we're gonna go back. We're

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<v Speaker 1>gonna look at some q and a's from some of

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<v Speaker 1>you out there. We're gonna go back look at his

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<v Speaker 1>twenty three season kind of anything that it was different,

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<v Speaker 1>kind of what he had to do, or like any

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<v Speaker 1>little nuggets he can pull out of those hunts for us,

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<v Speaker 1>and then dive into what worked and what then, and

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<v Speaker 1>then also jump into some health and fitness topics and

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<v Speaker 1>then his recent wolfund that he was just on, and

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<v Speaker 1>then what he has coming up moving into next year.

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<v Speaker 1>It's always a pleasure to have you on the show.

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<v Speaker 2>Ryan, Welcome, Thank you, Jason much appreciate it. Excited to

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<v Speaker 2>be back. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, we were trying to record this yesterday and you

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<v Speaker 1>were on a on a wolf hunt and kind of

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<v Speaker 1>pushed us back. So I'm glad to be able to

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<v Speaker 1>to have you jump on and get on the podcast today,

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<v Speaker 1>and we're gonna I'm gonna save some of my questions

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<v Speaker 1>for you on the wolf hunt as we get into

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<v Speaker 1>the podcast on some of your your food choices you

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<v Speaker 1>made on the wolf hunt kind of your strategy and

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<v Speaker 1>you know, to to kind of double up on you know,

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<v Speaker 1>is it winter range deer scouting and trying to get

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<v Speaker 1>a wolf hunt like kind of you know, making sure

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<v Speaker 1>each trip has multiple reasons and meanings. So we'll jump

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<v Speaker 1>into that in a little bit, But first we're gonna

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<v Speaker 1>jump right into listener Q and A. Once again, if

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<v Speaker 1>you have questions for me or my guests, please email

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<v Speaker 1>them to us at CTD at phelpsgame Calls dot com,

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<v Speaker 1>or social media messaging, emails, you know, any of that,

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<v Speaker 1>and we'll do our best to get them on here.

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<v Speaker 1>So the first question comes. It was pretty much the

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<v Speaker 1>same question from both Jonathan you'r st hopefully I didn't

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<v Speaker 1>butcher butcher his name too bad? And Lucas Johnson. What

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<v Speaker 1>does your off season look like as far as workouts,

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<v Speaker 1>your season prep, scouting, and nutrition.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I guess we're an off season, right, I don't.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know that there's an off season.

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<v Speaker 1>There's not the Yeah, I was gonna say, our off

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<v Speaker 1>season used to be like November to about July and August,

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<v Speaker 1>but now it seems like we've figured out a way

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<v Speaker 1>to fill those fill those in.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean there's a few gaps, and we're in

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<v Speaker 2>the gap right now. I'd say, yeah, good question. I think, Uh,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, I've been asked us a lot, and I

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<v Speaker 2>don't have really anything exciting to talk about when it

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<v Speaker 2>comes to exercise and all that kind of thing. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>I've got a home gym downstairs. I try to keep

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<v Speaker 2>up with my wife. She gets down there early every morning.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, this time of year when I'm not hunting,

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<v Speaker 2>I spend a good amount of time down there. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>we've got a rower, all kinds of equipment that we

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<v Speaker 2>can get after it on. But my number one, and

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<v Speaker 2>I think it always will be, always has been routine,

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<v Speaker 2>is just hiking. Hiking with weight. You know where I

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<v Speaker 2>live out here in the country, so we've got all

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<v Speaker 2>kinds of space to just roam, and we've got a

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<v Speaker 2>little loop here. We can take it a mile and

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<v Speaker 2>three quarters with a weighted backpack, or we can take

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<v Speaker 2>the longer route or go up on the hill behind

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<v Speaker 2>us and put in a good handful of miles. And

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<v Speaker 2>you know, that is and always will be I think

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<v Speaker 2>my most effective way of preparing for the next hunt,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, the future future hunts that I have. It's

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<v Speaker 2>it's just what you do in the mountains. It's the

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<v Speaker 2>most important. And you get a lot out of hiking

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<v Speaker 2>with weight. You know, I think just going out and

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<v Speaker 2>putting a ton of miles on without weight is good.

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<v Speaker 2>But I'm just throwing you know, anywhere from just twenty

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<v Speaker 2>five to sometimes go up to sixty pounds on the

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<v Speaker 2>back and going for it, and so that that really

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<v Speaker 2>helps me out. I think it keeps your core strong,

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<v Speaker 2>just keeps those muscles tuned in. Those are the ones

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<v Speaker 2>that you really need to function well on the mountain.

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<v Speaker 1>So there's like no secret. You're not like getting up

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<v Speaker 1>every morning, you slamming down you know your pre workout.

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<v Speaker 1>You're not working out for an hour and a half

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<v Speaker 1>in the gym and then you know, doing cardio. It's

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<v Speaker 1>just it's what you need to do to be There's

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<v Speaker 1>no secret workouts or you're not you know, crossfitting every day.

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<v Speaker 1>It's just doing the functional what you're going to be

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<v Speaker 1>doing in the mountains is it is workouts.

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<v Speaker 2>You get up early and we put some time in downstairs.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, I love the rower. We've just got a

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<v Speaker 2>cheap old rower downstairs, and I like getting on that

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<v Speaker 2>thing and just crushing it for forty minutes. It really

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<v Speaker 2>gets your art right up and it puts the screws

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<v Speaker 2>to you. So I love that. But then just throwing around,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, pushing and pulling heavy things. That really helps

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<v Speaker 2>in the off season as well. You know, I definitely

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<v Speaker 2>don't lift like I used to. Used to do a

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<v Speaker 2>lot more in the gym and things like that, but

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not a CrossFit guy. I don't. I don't have

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<v Speaker 2>any secrets there, you know. I just try to stay

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<v Speaker 2>in as good a shape as I can, and most

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<v Speaker 2>of that comes from, like we said, there's not a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of off season now, so we're always spending time

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<v Speaker 2>in the mountains. We're always having weight on our backs.

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<v Speaker 2>Now I'm cheating a little bit these days, you know.

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<v Speaker 2>I turned fifty this year, and last few years we've

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<v Speaker 2>started using pack animals a little bit more. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>We've used things like a lamas, which gets a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of the weight off your back. Now I'm into the

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<v Speaker 2>goats and I'm using those a ton. I'll go. When

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<v Speaker 2>I do my walks, I just take the ghats and

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<v Speaker 2>they come with me. And just to keep them in shape,

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<v Speaker 2>because now a big part of my off season is

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<v Speaker 2>making sure my animals are in shape to keep up

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<v Speaker 2>with me. And so that's been a lot of fun,

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<v Speaker 2>and that's kind of a new thing that I'm doing now.

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<v Speaker 2>But as far as nutrition, you know, it's always the

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<v Speaker 2>same again, nothing real secret. We just try to eat

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<v Speaker 2>clean throughout the year, you know, during the haunts. Outside

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<v Speaker 2>of the haunts, my wife keeps me on track with that,

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<v Speaker 2>trying not to pound, you know, too much sugar. We

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<v Speaker 2>weren't out like one hundred percent off all sugar. We've

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<v Speaker 2>got kids, you know, we don't We don't do it

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<v Speaker 2>to the extreme. But I think eating clean to the

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<v Speaker 2>best of your abilities really helps and it definitely keep

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<v Speaker 2>the inflammation down. And you know, we've talked about inflammation

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<v Speaker 2>almost too exhaustion these days, me and my wife. But

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<v Speaker 2>it's important and I feel like that's what's really helped

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<v Speaker 2>me in these later years. I feel better now than

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<v Speaker 2>I felt in my twenties by a mile. You know.

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<v Speaker 2>When I go out and do ten days and we're

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<v Speaker 2>crushing miles, double digit miles every day, I don't come

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<v Speaker 2>back sore anymore. And a lot of that is some

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<v Speaker 2>of the supplements I take. You know, I do a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of turmeric and CBD and stuff like that. No

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<v Speaker 2>secrets there. But then I'm not pounding all this this

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<v Speaker 2>extra sugar during the hunks, so I'm trying to keep

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<v Speaker 2>from inflaming my joints to where I just don't feel good.

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<v Speaker 2>And then yeah, just clean eating in the off season

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<v Speaker 2>and things like that, So no secrets there. Really I

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<v Speaker 2>like it.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's you know, I'm the yoyo where I eat

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<v Speaker 1>bad and then eat really like the extreme. And yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>mental clarity like your inflammation, your knees, your joints, your hips,

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<v Speaker 1>like everything goes away and you feel better and then

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<v Speaker 1>you always wonder why you relapse back into that. But yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>definitely clean eating. And then for me, it's it's just

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<v Speaker 1>as much of a mental game when you're eating clean

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<v Speaker 1>there there's no fog a you know, clear mind.

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<v Speaker 2>And yeah, yeah, you have to talk a little bit

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<v Speaker 2>with some of your things too. You've talked, you've probably

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<v Speaker 2>talked in the podcast about doing carnivore every once in

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<v Speaker 2>a while and kind of mixing it up and things

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<v Speaker 2>like that. That's always been really interesting to me.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Yeah, and I I now, I I've i've you know,

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<v Speaker 1>working with your wife. She's she's now my doctor had

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<v Speaker 1>some you know. I don't beat the drum. I don't

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<v Speaker 1>think I've even talked on the podcast about like testosterone,

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<v Speaker 1>Like we talked and I'm, man, why the hell am

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<v Speaker 1>I wanting to go to bed at seven thirty? Like

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<v Speaker 1>when we were running the business early on, Like there

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<v Speaker 1>were days you'd go to bed at twelve or one,

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<v Speaker 1>just when your work was done. You were done, right,

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<v Speaker 1>and like, what is going on? And got with got

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<v Speaker 1>with doctor Hill and yeah, testosterone like in the high

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<v Speaker 1>two hundreds for a forty year old guy, and it's

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<v Speaker 1>like what and uh of change my life?

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<v Speaker 2>You know.

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<v Speaker 1>And I don't know whether it's a tribute to eating

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<v Speaker 1>well or it's probably both. You know, got on some

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<v Speaker 1>testosterone and feel amazing, and then that helped with the

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<v Speaker 1>inflammation in itself, like just getting the hormones balanced and

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<v Speaker 1>you know, and then I I kind of she thought

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<v Speaker 1>I should change my diet a little bit where I

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<v Speaker 1>was eating real heavy carnivore. And there's a lot of unknowns,

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<v Speaker 1>right if you're doing carnivore, like can you have elevated

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<v Speaker 1>treglisserides and elevated LDLs and is it still safe? And

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<v Speaker 1>she just got real worried because what without really knowing,

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<v Speaker 1>She's like, well, maybe we should not eat so much

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<v Speaker 1>fatty meat. And so we've we've made some changes. But

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<v Speaker 1>I feel amazing doing it. I just don't want to

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<v Speaker 1>like feel amazing but then kick over of a heart

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<v Speaker 1>attack because I got some numbers way out in left field.

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<v Speaker 1>But yeah, it's that combination. The last six months has

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<v Speaker 1>been amazing, like just getting hormones balanced back out eating,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, and everybody says, well, what are you eating?

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<v Speaker 1>Because I've lost about sixty pounds in the last you know,

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<v Speaker 1>six months. And it's just like I think of it,

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<v Speaker 1>there's no specific diet. It's just like close to the earth, right,

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<v Speaker 1>like it comes out of the ground, if it lives

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<v Speaker 1>on the ground, like it checks all the boxes and

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<v Speaker 1>that it's just like clean eating. I'm not afraid to

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<v Speaker 1>have a few blueberries or strawberries here, I'm not afraid

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<v Speaker 1>to eat sweet potatoes, but like if the rice has

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<v Speaker 1>got to go through a factory and get stripped of

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<v Speaker 1>its husks and stuff like, and now I'm very extreme

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<v Speaker 1>because it's easy for me to relapse and go back.

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<v Speaker 1>And you know, if it lives on the ground, you

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<v Speaker 1>know a lot of deer and elk. But just I

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<v Speaker 1>feel amazing right now.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, and that's and that's something to talk about too.

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't even think about it when you mentioned like

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<v Speaker 2>your regimen, but you know, finding a good doctor I

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<v Speaker 2>think is really important, especially when you get up there

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<v Speaker 2>in age. You know a lot of dudes, guys and gals.

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<v Speaker 2>Hormones are a big, big thing. And you know a

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<v Speaker 2>lady like my wife who does a lot of blood

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<v Speaker 2>work and test people's hormones and tries to regulate them

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<v Speaker 2>and get them dialed in. It's really important. Like it's

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<v Speaker 2>amazing how you can go from like you said, I

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<v Speaker 2>want to go to bed, really just waking up up

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<v Speaker 2>without that drive, without that just that winning drive to go.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, all all that changes when you dial in

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<v Speaker 2>your hormones a little bit, whether it's the stops around

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<v Speaker 2>or mestrigon for ladies. So we're very blessed to know

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<v Speaker 2>Doc Hill because she gets us to that perfect point

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<v Speaker 2>where you just crush it, you feel like crushing it,

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<v Speaker 2>You wake up feeling good. You've got that winning hormone drive.

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<v Speaker 2>And today it's shocking how many guys out there have

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<v Speaker 2>low test you know, it's it's just like unbelievable, even

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<v Speaker 2>guys in their twenties, you know, twenties, thirties. It's not

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<v Speaker 2>like it used to be. Guys are just whatever. If

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<v Speaker 2>it's environmental, who knows, you know, the verdict isn't in

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<v Speaker 2>yet on what's causing this, but a lot of guys

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<v Speaker 2>are suffering from lack tesk.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Yeah, my cousin, you know, very athletic, very active,

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<v Speaker 1>lifts weights all the time, that he was at similar

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<v Speaker 1>numbers to me at like mid thirties, and it's just

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<v Speaker 1>why and how come? But uh yeah, I feel great,

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<v Speaker 1>you know. With the changes, it's it's all kind of

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<v Speaker 1>dialed in, and like you know, Hillary asks you these

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<v Speaker 1>lists of questions like before and after kind of gauge,

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<v Speaker 1>and I said, it was weird, like you didn't realize

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<v Speaker 1>how bad it was until you got to see like

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<v Speaker 1>the instant change on it. And like my my best

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<v Speaker 1>analogy was like before my weekend looked like well I

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<v Speaker 1>might accomplish these one or two things, and I want

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<v Speaker 1>to sit and watch like hunting on YouTube or or

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<v Speaker 1>sit around the rest of day. Now it's like, put

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<v Speaker 1>twenty things on my list and make sure they're checked

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<v Speaker 1>off before the end of the day. Like this motivation,

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<v Speaker 1>this drive that I used to always have is like

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<v Speaker 1>back versus you know, kind of being a lazy ass

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<v Speaker 1>around home on the weekends. It's like you've got this

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<v Speaker 1>drive again to just crank, crank through and get things done.

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<v Speaker 1>So it's mental as well as you know, the physical changes.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean, Closter, it's the winning hormone for us, guys.

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<v Speaker 2>We need it and it needs to be at a

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<v Speaker 2>certain level for us to just crush it in life.

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<v Speaker 2>And you know, it's very important. So if anybody gets

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<v Speaker 2>anything out of this podcast, it's like, man, you know

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<v Speaker 2>you're feeling rotten and you're off season. You know, you're

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<v Speaker 2>just like you said, you're just wanting to sit down

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<v Speaker 2>end of the day, just watch movies and eat junk

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<v Speaker 2>food and not motivated to go crush it in the mornings.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, maybe go find yourself a really good doctor

0:12:13.679 --> 0:12:17.040
<v Speaker 2>who take your blood through it. Look at your panels,

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<v Speaker 2>see what's missing.

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<v Speaker 1>Yep, yep. The next question comes from my financial advisor,

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<v Speaker 1>Jeff Bloomquist. He put what are your top three things

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<v Speaker 1>that you attribute to your consistent success of killing more

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<v Speaker 1>mature animals. And it doesn't have to be three, just

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<v Speaker 1>kind of what are your top approaches And and I'm

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<v Speaker 1>very careful, like we all do this for different and

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<v Speaker 1>and maybe I shouldn't even have to explain this, but

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<v Speaker 1>we all we're all out there, like if your goal

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<v Speaker 1>is just to put a spike in the freezer, we're

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<v Speaker 1>we're not saying that's not the goal. But Ryan, any

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<v Speaker 1>of you, you know, any of you do or don't

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<v Speaker 1>know it, Like, it's very easy to look at what

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<v Speaker 1>he does and realize, like, all right, that that top

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<v Speaker 1>level animal, and that's what you're out there for. You're

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<v Speaker 1>pursuing that challenge. And so this is geared towards when

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<v Speaker 1>you get to the level of having all these other

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<v Speaker 1>accomplishments or abilities below you, like when you target mature animals.

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<v Speaker 1>And I would say there's different levels to that, right

0:13:07.559 --> 0:13:09.360
<v Speaker 1>where some guy might be like I want a four

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<v Speaker 1>and a half year old dear that scores this, Like

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<v Speaker 1>Ryan goes out there with an expectation or a challenge

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<v Speaker 1>to kill, you know, very a top five percenter kind

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<v Speaker 1>of what what what what do you attribute that success

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<v Speaker 1>to at that level.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you know, I think I think it's different for everybody.

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<v Speaker 2>I think for me, I just know that I have

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<v Speaker 2>a drive that might be a little bit more intense

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<v Speaker 2>than some of the folks around me, you know, some

0:13:36.880 --> 0:13:39.360
<v Speaker 2>of the other folks that I've hunted with. Even I

0:13:39.400 --> 0:13:43.040
<v Speaker 2>don't really want to settle, and so my drive is

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<v Speaker 2>just a competition with myself too really do whatever it takes. Literally,

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<v Speaker 2>however far it takes to hike, however many days it takes,

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<v Speaker 2>that's always kind of on the table, and I try

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<v Speaker 2>to set these hunts up for that. I always try

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<v Speaker 2>to do tending trips so that I've got the time

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<v Speaker 2>to make this thing happen. And you know, while you're

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<v Speaker 2>in the field, is I think, the willingness to put

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<v Speaker 2>my body through whatever, go wherever. I'm not afraid to

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<v Speaker 2>go down to the bottom, you know, twenty five hundred

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<v Speaker 2>feet down and then right back up to the top.

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<v Speaker 2>It means I might have a slight opportunity to seal

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<v Speaker 2>the deal on a mature animal. So I think drive

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<v Speaker 2>is the one thing that's really hard to explain. My

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<v Speaker 2>drive is just very intense when I'm out there. This

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<v Speaker 2>is My favorite thing to do in life, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>is to do this thing, and that's target mature animals

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<v Speaker 2>out through the mountains. And then a lot of it

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<v Speaker 2>is also, you know, just all the time that you

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<v Speaker 2>put into the off season. You know, whether it's your

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<v Speaker 2>map work, you're scouting, you're dialing into meals that you're

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<v Speaker 2>going to take with you, the gear that you take

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<v Speaker 2>with you, all these different things just kind of all

0:14:56.120 --> 0:15:01.640
<v Speaker 2>add up to being well prepared out there, and you know,

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<v Speaker 2>in the end, you're not getting pulled out of the

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<v Speaker 2>mountains prior to you sealing the deal or something trivial.

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<v Speaker 2>You know something. I'm also very lucky, and I love

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<v Speaker 2>to like prop my wife up as much as I can,

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<v Speaker 2>but the reality of it is, I wouldn't be able

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<v Speaker 2>to do any of this if I didn't have an

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<v Speaker 2>amazing wife who literally can She's so independent if she

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<v Speaker 2>needs to be, she can take care of anything when

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<v Speaker 2>I'm out there. So there's really no problems that I

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<v Speaker 2>have to deal with when I'm in the mountains. I'm

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<v Speaker 2>not out there worried about much. You know, if there

0:15:37.520 --> 0:15:40.160
<v Speaker 2>is an issue, I'm lucky if she even tells me

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<v Speaker 2>about it. On my en reach you know, she just

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<v Speaker 2>takes care of it. So you know, a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>the success comes from just having a partner that is

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<v Speaker 2>at that level, you know, and then having the drive

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<v Speaker 2>and all the preparedness around that. I think really has

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<v Speaker 2>helped me in this in this thing.

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<v Speaker 1>So let me let me see if I can get

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<v Speaker 1>to the inside of your head. So this drive that

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<v Speaker 1>you talk about, this competition maybe with yourself or not

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<v Speaker 1>wanting to let yourself down. So I mean, is there

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<v Speaker 1>ever a time is during a hunt where you even

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<v Speaker 1>have to like, come on, don't let yourself down, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>or is it just not even a question anymore where

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<v Speaker 1>you're just this is what needs to be done, We're

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<v Speaker 1>going you don't even have that conversation with yourself anymore.

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<v Speaker 1>Or is there some like thought like is that really

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<v Speaker 1>the best play? Or you just like we're gonna go

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<v Speaker 1>over there and see what happens, and yeah, how does

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<v Speaker 1>that conversation you know, because that's I think if somebody's

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<v Speaker 1>not at your level, that's a lot of what pops up.

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<v Speaker 1>Right there's like, well, I really don't know if climbing

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<v Speaker 1>down in that three thousand feet really gives me a

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<v Speaker 1>better opportunity or a chance, you know, until you'll talk

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<v Speaker 1>yourself out of it.

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<v Speaker 2>And I think I don't think there's any twenty year

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<v Speaker 2>old that is going to have that because they don't

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<v Speaker 2>have the experiences built up. You know, as you as

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<v Speaker 2>you do more hunts and you have these things happen

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<v Speaker 2>like I can't tell you how many times, and you've

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<v Speaker 2>had the same thing happen many, many, many times as well.

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<v Speaker 2>It's just you keep working at it. It can happen

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<v Speaker 2>so fast, and with elk hunting, it's it's like to

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<v Speaker 2>the utmost degree, it just happens in a matter of

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<v Speaker 2>like thirty seconds. You go from this low like man,

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<v Speaker 2>this is this ever really going to happen, and you're

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<v Speaker 2>just fighting with yourself like I don't know. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>maybe these next four days are there just kind of

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<v Speaker 2>a waste because we haven't had any luck. And then

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<v Speaker 2>about three minutes from that point, you just arrowed a

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<v Speaker 2>bull and he's down. And it's it happens like that

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<v Speaker 2>so often. And I think once it's happened to you

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<v Speaker 2>a few times or a couple dozen times, you just

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<v Speaker 2>it's always there. You just know, like success can happen

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<v Speaker 2>at any point out there, even when it's the slowest

0:17:41.160 --> 0:17:44.000
<v Speaker 2>of slow, and you know, the weather's been junkie, and

0:17:44.040 --> 0:17:46.879
<v Speaker 2>your bulls aren't talking, and there's people everywhere. You know,

0:17:47.480 --> 0:17:50.600
<v Speaker 2>all it takes is just a few minutes and things

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<v Speaker 2>turn on a dime. And when you had that experience,

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<v Speaker 2>I think that just gets ingrained into you, like you

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<v Speaker 2>don't get down as much because you know, like one

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<v Speaker 2>more ridge, you know, next Cooley, you can go last

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<v Speaker 2>across and pick up that one buck and that's all

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<v Speaker 2>it took. And so it's hard to explain to people,

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<v Speaker 2>but I think, you know, we've just been doing this

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<v Speaker 2>a very long time, so I don't have the mental

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<v Speaker 2>that I had that I have now. I didn't have

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<v Speaker 2>that back in my twenties. You know, I was more

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<v Speaker 2>willing to give up and just get down, like this

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<v Speaker 2>hunt is not worth being out here, you know, I

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<v Speaker 2>might as well go somewhere else. But now as you've

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<v Speaker 2>got gained all this experience, you just you just know

0:18:36.080 --> 0:18:38.480
<v Speaker 2>it can turn on a dime. So yeah, that's a

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<v Speaker 2>big part of it.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. I think one of the tough you mentioned, like

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<v Speaker 1>the slow you know, the slow times and there I

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<v Speaker 1>think it's different, like if you're on a hunt that

0:18:46.119 --> 0:18:48.280
<v Speaker 1>is just on fire the whole time, but just opportunities

0:18:48.280 --> 0:18:50.159
<v Speaker 1>not coming like that will keep people more involved. But

0:18:50.200 --> 0:18:52.679
<v Speaker 1>in the end, those super slow hunts that you finally

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<v Speaker 1>find your first elk on the eighth day and you

0:18:54.800 --> 0:18:57.480
<v Speaker 1>still kill it. Like, the results still the same. Right,

0:18:57.560 --> 0:18:59.760
<v Speaker 1>we went there, We accomplished what we wanted to, but

0:19:00.600 --> 0:19:02.720
<v Speaker 1>the hunt ahead of time was different. I think that's

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<v Speaker 1>what you know, what you had mentioned kind of kind

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<v Speaker 1>of resonates with me, is that I'm still able on

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<v Speaker 1>you know, six or seven days. Yeah, you get down

0:19:10.640 --> 0:19:12.320
<v Speaker 1>a little bit, but you keep kind of grinding, and

0:19:12.359 --> 0:19:14.399
<v Speaker 1>you know that in the end there's the possibility this

0:19:14.440 --> 0:19:15.919
<v Speaker 1>is still going to end up in the same spot

0:19:16.000 --> 0:19:19.280
<v Speaker 1>of the very action packed hunt or the it's the

0:19:19.320 --> 0:19:23.000
<v Speaker 1>same result. And and we've proven that we had twenty

0:19:23.080 --> 0:19:25.040
<v Speaker 1>chances throughout the hunt, but none of them you're able

0:19:25.040 --> 0:19:28.560
<v Speaker 1>to capitalize on where you capitalize on the one it

0:19:28.560 --> 0:19:31.000
<v Speaker 1>it Yeah, it works into your mental game and then

0:19:31.000 --> 0:19:33.480
<v Speaker 1>in future hunts you're like, well this, I've been here before.

0:19:33.720 --> 0:19:35.600
<v Speaker 1>I don't need to quit, Like we've been in this

0:19:35.680 --> 0:19:37.879
<v Speaker 1>exact situation and know how it's going to play out

0:19:37.960 --> 0:19:38.760
<v Speaker 1>or can play out.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, I think and this is so cliche to say,

0:19:41.880 --> 0:19:44.080
<v Speaker 2>but you know, I think if you find yourself throughout

0:19:44.080 --> 0:19:46.960
<v Speaker 2>the day on a hunt just continually saying things like

0:19:47.400 --> 0:19:50.439
<v Speaker 2>how this sucks, Like, man, this is never going to happen.

0:19:50.640 --> 0:19:55.479
<v Speaker 2>You know, this is brutal. You're just you're you're screwing

0:19:55.520 --> 0:19:58.440
<v Speaker 2>with your head. And you know that's one thing that

0:19:58.560 --> 0:20:01.920
<v Speaker 2>I found now, you trying to stay positive is very important.

0:20:02.880 --> 0:20:05.639
<v Speaker 2>Just knowing that it could happen, and just expecting it

0:20:05.680 --> 0:20:08.640
<v Speaker 2>could happen at any point. It's all on your head.

0:20:09.040 --> 0:20:11.199
<v Speaker 2>But if you do, if you are out there and

0:20:11.240 --> 0:20:13.439
<v Speaker 2>you have a hunt partner that's just so down and

0:20:13.520 --> 0:20:16.639
<v Speaker 2>sour and always like looking for a reason why it

0:20:16.720 --> 0:20:20.000
<v Speaker 2>sucks to be out there and throughout the day, it's

0:20:20.080 --> 0:20:25.320
<v Speaker 2>just a lot of negativity. That is a surefire recipe

0:20:25.400 --> 0:20:28.920
<v Speaker 2>to have a hunt fail and either pull you out

0:20:28.920 --> 0:20:32.119
<v Speaker 2>of the mountains early or you're just not doing what

0:20:32.160 --> 0:20:34.560
<v Speaker 2>you should be doing. You know, you should be positive

0:20:34.600 --> 0:20:37.400
<v Speaker 2>and you should be willing to just know that, man,

0:20:37.440 --> 0:20:39.880
<v Speaker 2>it's just could be that ridge, it could be one

0:20:39.920 --> 0:20:42.800
<v Speaker 2>more hole, it could be tomorrow, weather could turn. I mean,

0:20:43.760 --> 0:20:46.160
<v Speaker 2>you should be out there expecting it to happen and

0:20:46.480 --> 0:20:49.439
<v Speaker 2>waking up and again cliche, but waking up and just

0:20:49.760 --> 0:20:51.840
<v Speaker 2>this is the day that it's going to happen. And

0:20:51.880 --> 0:20:54.760
<v Speaker 2>with that comes success for sure.

0:20:55.320 --> 0:20:58.320
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and we take it to the point where it's

0:20:58.359 --> 0:21:01.359
<v Speaker 1>like overly positive, overly optimistic. You might not see a

0:21:01.400 --> 0:21:03.320
<v Speaker 1>deer in your area for the last seven days, but

0:21:03.359 --> 0:21:05.119
<v Speaker 1>you wake up tell your buddy like, hey, this is

0:21:05.119 --> 0:21:06.760
<v Speaker 1>a day we kill a big you know, we both

0:21:06.800 --> 0:21:08.760
<v Speaker 1>we double up or we kill big bucks. And it's like,

0:21:09.640 --> 0:21:11.160
<v Speaker 1>I won't to say it's a little fake, but you're

0:21:11.200 --> 0:21:13.119
<v Speaker 1>just like you're you're just reminding yourself like this is

0:21:13.119 --> 0:21:14.840
<v Speaker 1>a day we're going to get up, like you know,

0:21:14.880 --> 0:21:19.840
<v Speaker 1>maybe maybe pick everybody up and keep them going. And yeah,

0:21:19.680 --> 0:21:22.160
<v Speaker 1>the positive mental and we've we've talked about a ton

0:21:22.200 --> 0:21:24.960
<v Speaker 1>on here is having good hunting partners where if one

0:21:24.960 --> 0:21:26.640
<v Speaker 1>guy does get down, the other guy won't let him

0:21:26.640 --> 0:21:28.440
<v Speaker 1>get two down, and you're able to feed off of

0:21:28.480 --> 0:21:31.879
<v Speaker 1>each other. And and it's it's definitely worked in the

0:21:31.920 --> 0:21:34.040
<v Speaker 1>past to kind of keep somebody going or not want to.

0:21:34.400 --> 0:21:35.800
<v Speaker 1>And you know, the worst thing you'd want of somebody.

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<v Speaker 1>You're trying to talk somebody to quit and they say, oh,

0:21:37.560 --> 0:21:39.320
<v Speaker 1>let's go, like it's over. But if that guy is

0:21:39.560 --> 0:21:43.480
<v Speaker 1>you know, mentally strong at that time. It's It definitely helps.

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<v Speaker 2>People over the years. I'm sure you have as well

0:21:47.960 --> 0:21:52.040
<v Speaker 2>that are just negative people. Right. It may be fun

0:21:52.080 --> 0:21:54.560
<v Speaker 2>at times, but they're just negative people. That's the last

0:21:54.560 --> 0:21:58.119
<v Speaker 2>guy I want my hunting camp. I just I just

0:21:58.160 --> 0:22:01.040
<v Speaker 2>walk away from that. I'll always love you, know, I have.

0:22:01.359 --> 0:22:03.199
<v Speaker 2>I have a very small list of guys that I

0:22:03.280 --> 0:22:06.359
<v Speaker 2>hunt with today. I still love hunting by myself. I

0:22:06.400 --> 0:22:09.119
<v Speaker 2>really love enjoy hunting with my daughter, but I've got

0:22:09.119 --> 0:22:10.920
<v Speaker 2>a small group that I hunt with. And the guys

0:22:10.920 --> 0:22:14.280
<v Speaker 2>that I hunt with now, you know, some of their

0:22:14.840 --> 0:22:17.719
<v Speaker 2>skills are just that they never quit. They never give up.

0:22:17.760 --> 0:22:19.879
<v Speaker 2>They're not ones to say, I'm I just want to

0:22:19.880 --> 0:22:22.320
<v Speaker 2>give up and go back, let's just get out of here.

0:22:22.720 --> 0:22:24.520
<v Speaker 2>These these guys that I hunt with now, they don't

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<v Speaker 2>do that. They will go that extra mile and they

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<v Speaker 2>will go wherever it takes to make success happen. So

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<v Speaker 2>I think that's extremely important, and it's a hard thing

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<v Speaker 2>to kind of weed out those guys that could be

0:22:38.240 --> 0:22:43.800
<v Speaker 2>just too negative. But success is determined by having a

0:22:43.840 --> 0:22:46.680
<v Speaker 2>really good hunt partner sometimes for sure.

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<v Speaker 1>Next question comes from sentiment out of Tall Timber productions.

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<v Speaker 1>Have your tactics evolved or change over the last decade

0:23:06.480 --> 0:23:09.119
<v Speaker 1>or so, Archie L Hunting. Have you found yourself changing

0:23:09.160 --> 0:23:10.679
<v Speaker 1>the way you did it or is it still pretty

0:23:10.960 --> 0:23:12.359
<v Speaker 1>consistent how you started?

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<v Speaker 2>Do you really want me to talk about this Felks

0:23:14.280 --> 0:23:16.240
<v Speaker 2>Felks game calls you.

0:23:16.920 --> 0:23:18.880
<v Speaker 1>I know you're we're going to talk up a little

0:23:18.880 --> 0:23:21.280
<v Speaker 1>bit about Raken and a little bit more spot and stocking.

0:23:21.320 --> 0:23:22.600
<v Speaker 3>But let's yeah, let's hear it.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it has changed. It has changed a lot, and

0:23:25.680 --> 0:23:29.080
<v Speaker 2>a lot of the change has come from where I

0:23:29.119 --> 0:23:31.520
<v Speaker 2>am now versus where I used to be. You know,

0:23:31.600 --> 0:23:33.639
<v Speaker 2>I came from your neck of the woods. You know,

0:23:33.680 --> 0:23:38.760
<v Speaker 2>we were Washington guys and uh thick country hunt rosies and

0:23:38.760 --> 0:23:42.399
<v Speaker 2>in timber and very much a calling game, you know,

0:23:42.640 --> 0:23:45.439
<v Speaker 2>very much a calling game. And so I was. I

0:23:45.600 --> 0:23:49.280
<v Speaker 2>was basically taught like the best way to get big

0:23:49.320 --> 0:23:52.200
<v Speaker 2>bulls in was to pick a fight, you know, leaving

0:23:52.240 --> 0:23:55.280
<v Speaker 2>the cow calls to the other guys and going in

0:23:55.359 --> 0:23:58.840
<v Speaker 2>with just these threatening bugles and picking fights with the

0:23:58.960 --> 0:24:01.320
<v Speaker 2>with the herb bal And I learned that in Washington.

0:24:01.359 --> 0:24:03.600
<v Speaker 2>I learned it in the north country of Idaho, where

0:24:03.640 --> 0:24:07.760
<v Speaker 2>it's just absolutely so thick that that's that's the best

0:24:07.800 --> 0:24:13.160
<v Speaker 2>method for getting these big bulls in. Now, since then,

0:24:13.520 --> 0:24:17.119
<v Speaker 2>I have changed, you know, I've moved over here to Montana,

0:24:17.280 --> 0:24:20.040
<v Speaker 2>and even when I was still a Washingtonian, I I

0:24:20.080 --> 0:24:22.159
<v Speaker 2>started hunting areas that were a little more open and

0:24:22.480 --> 0:24:24.560
<v Speaker 2>where I was able to glass more. And you know,

0:24:24.680 --> 0:24:28.160
<v Speaker 2>these days, I find myself seeking out those type places.

0:24:28.280 --> 0:24:30.760
<v Speaker 2>You know, I'm not hunting the thick, thick country as

0:24:30.840 --> 0:24:34.879
<v Speaker 2>much anymore. I'm looking for states. I'm looking for opportunity

0:24:34.920 --> 0:24:37.600
<v Speaker 2>hunts where I can go try to glass up more

0:24:37.640 --> 0:24:40.000
<v Speaker 2>bulls or even just you know, I can still be

0:24:40.040 --> 0:24:42.360
<v Speaker 2>out there, and I'm you know, I chuck a lot

0:24:42.400 --> 0:24:45.800
<v Speaker 2>of location bugles out just to get an idea where

0:24:45.840 --> 0:24:48.280
<v Speaker 2>the bulls are, find the herd, you know, find the

0:24:48.320 --> 0:24:50.760
<v Speaker 2>best bull and then I put a lot of work

0:24:50.800 --> 0:24:54.800
<v Speaker 2>into glassing and trying to figure out a strategy on

0:24:54.880 --> 0:24:59.240
<v Speaker 2>how I can either get in between, you know, or

0:24:59.320 --> 0:25:01.439
<v Speaker 2>just figure out a to get an arrow in that

0:25:01.480 --> 0:25:05.080
<v Speaker 2>bowl in more open country. So I really enjoy this

0:25:05.240 --> 0:25:08.800
<v Speaker 2>time where I'm chasing you know, her bulls in open country.

0:25:09.080 --> 0:25:13.200
<v Speaker 2>I'm not calling as much, not even close. I'm still

0:25:13.240 --> 0:25:15.440
<v Speaker 2>doing a lot of location googles just to find them

0:25:15.440 --> 0:25:18.560
<v Speaker 2>because they're always there's always pockets timber, and you know

0:25:18.640 --> 0:25:21.920
<v Speaker 2>they they love being in that timber. But I don't

0:25:21.960 --> 0:25:24.159
<v Speaker 2>try to work bullth in as much as I used to,

0:25:24.480 --> 0:25:27.720
<v Speaker 2>for sure, and I think that's been probably the biggest

0:25:27.800 --> 0:25:32.199
<v Speaker 2>change for me, especially with the bigger hurtles. But I

0:25:32.240 --> 0:25:35.120
<v Speaker 2>really do enjoy calling, calling elkin. It's a lot of fun.

0:25:36.160 --> 0:25:37.840
<v Speaker 2>But man, the spot and stole game for me right

0:25:37.880 --> 0:25:39.040
<v Speaker 2>now is kind of where I'm at.

0:25:40.200 --> 0:25:42.639
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, no, and I'm I'm in the same boat where

0:25:42.720 --> 0:25:46.840
<v Speaker 1>you know, growing up hunting almost exclusively Southwest Washington, we

0:25:46.960 --> 0:25:48.800
<v Speaker 1>called everything in and it seemed I don't want to

0:25:48.800 --> 0:25:51.040
<v Speaker 1>say easy, but it almost seemed easy. At times you'd

0:25:51.080 --> 0:25:53.000
<v Speaker 1>located and got in tight and you could eventually get

0:25:53.080 --> 0:25:58.520
<v Speaker 1>him to close the distance. As times went on, it

0:25:58.520 --> 0:26:00.880
<v Speaker 1>seems like you're trying to force us. We're pegging around

0:26:00.920 --> 0:26:03.359
<v Speaker 1>hole at times. Now we've still got them cranked up.

0:26:03.400 --> 0:26:05.679
<v Speaker 1>We've killed a lot of great bulls, but it's just

0:26:06.080 --> 0:26:09.320
<v Speaker 1>not even when we started hunting out of state, and

0:26:09.520 --> 0:26:11.679
<v Speaker 1>you know, over the West, it seemed easier just ten

0:26:11.760 --> 0:26:13.800
<v Speaker 1>years ago. And I don't know if it's if we're

0:26:13.840 --> 0:26:17.159
<v Speaker 1>to blame pressure the calling industry everybody out there calling,

0:26:17.320 --> 0:26:18.800
<v Speaker 1>you know, whether you got a tag or not, Like

0:26:18.880 --> 0:26:21.480
<v Speaker 1>I don't. I'll shoulder some of it. But the elk

0:26:21.680 --> 0:26:25.000
<v Speaker 1>aren't as callable as they used to be.

0:26:25.080 --> 0:26:27.280
<v Speaker 2>You've turned a lot of into pretty dang good callers.

0:26:27.320 --> 0:26:29.919
<v Speaker 2>There's a lot more better, like really good callers out

0:26:29.920 --> 0:26:33.120
<v Speaker 2>there in the woods these days. He'll fool yeah, for sure,

0:26:33.200 --> 0:26:34.160
<v Speaker 2>there's some really good deal.

0:26:35.280 --> 0:26:37.840
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. And as much as it hurts, we've turned into

0:26:37.840 --> 0:26:40.600
<v Speaker 1>a little bit more of a I ten years ago

0:26:40.600 --> 0:26:42.720
<v Speaker 1>out of never question should I bugle right now, or

0:26:42.720 --> 0:26:44.560
<v Speaker 1>should I col call or should I go silent? And

0:26:44.600 --> 0:26:46.640
<v Speaker 1>now that's like my common routine, Like do I really

0:26:46.720 --> 0:26:48.720
<v Speaker 1>want to be agle here? Because it hasn't worked the

0:26:48.800 --> 0:26:51.159
<v Speaker 1>last sure four or five times, and things are privy

0:26:51.200 --> 0:26:53.639
<v Speaker 1>to it and heading the other way. And you know,

0:26:53.760 --> 0:26:56.320
<v Speaker 1>like this year is the first year ever I located

0:26:56.320 --> 0:27:00.000
<v Speaker 1>a bowl, went completely silent and snuck into forty yards.

0:27:00.119 --> 0:27:01.800
<v Speaker 1>It's like, as much as it hurts me to say

0:27:02.320 --> 0:27:05.120
<v Speaker 1>I knew as a hunter, like I've got this skill set,

0:27:05.160 --> 0:27:06.959
<v Speaker 1>maybe not near as good as you were. Barn here

0:27:07.040 --> 0:27:08.880
<v Speaker 1>guys a spot in stock all the time, but it's

0:27:08.920 --> 0:27:10.960
<v Speaker 1>just it's an animal that I just can't let see

0:27:11.040 --> 0:27:13.280
<v Speaker 1>here or smell me right, Like, it's a very simple equation.

0:27:13.640 --> 0:27:15.600
<v Speaker 1>Don't let him see you here, You're smell you. You're gonna

0:27:15.600 --> 0:27:18.480
<v Speaker 1>be all right, and just put a you know, put

0:27:18.480 --> 0:27:21.359
<v Speaker 1>the sneak on him, put a you know, put his

0:27:21.520 --> 0:27:23.720
<v Speaker 1>head behind a log or a standing tree that was

0:27:23.760 --> 0:27:25.680
<v Speaker 1>big enough for me to hide behind and walk into

0:27:25.720 --> 0:27:29.400
<v Speaker 1>forty yards. And it is getting different. I would say,

0:27:29.400 --> 0:27:31.399
<v Speaker 1>I'm in the same boat as much. I still try

0:27:31.400 --> 0:27:33.440
<v Speaker 1>to at least force it early in a hunt, like

0:27:33.440 --> 0:27:34.600
<v Speaker 1>I'm going to call these things in.

0:27:35.640 --> 0:27:38.560
<v Speaker 2>But you know, like this, it's important to have all

0:27:38.640 --> 0:27:41.240
<v Speaker 2>the tools in your toolbox, right sure, I think you

0:27:41.280 --> 0:27:44.280
<v Speaker 2>know you want to be really competent in your in

0:27:44.320 --> 0:27:48.199
<v Speaker 2>your calling. You know, this year's bull just happened to

0:27:48.200 --> 0:27:50.280
<v Speaker 2>be a bull that it was in much more open

0:27:50.320 --> 0:27:53.280
<v Speaker 2>country still September. But you know I got in between

0:27:53.400 --> 0:27:54.920
<v Speaker 2>him and his betting area and I was able to

0:27:54.920 --> 0:27:57.600
<v Speaker 2>get an arrow in this bowl. Last year. You know,

0:27:57.760 --> 0:28:00.960
<v Speaker 2>I went in trying to be silent, silent. I just

0:28:01.119 --> 0:28:04.000
<v Speaker 2>wasn't able to get in to where this bull was betted.

0:28:05.000 --> 0:28:07.240
<v Speaker 2>And uh, and I called that bull in. You know,

0:28:07.600 --> 0:28:10.000
<v Speaker 2>I got in tight, just like the old days. That

0:28:10.080 --> 0:28:14.200
<v Speaker 2>worked so well, I got in tight, made just an

0:28:14.240 --> 0:28:19.959
<v Speaker 2>absolute uh you know, monster threatening mule at him, and

0:28:20.000 --> 0:28:22.280
<v Speaker 2>he came tearing in, ready to ready to kill me,

0:28:22.800 --> 0:28:25.080
<v Speaker 2>and that worked in that situation. So, you know, I

0:28:25.080 --> 0:28:27.480
<v Speaker 2>don't want to eliminate any of the strategies. I think.

0:28:27.600 --> 0:28:29.960
<v Speaker 2>I think having them all in your toolbox is really important.

0:28:30.000 --> 0:28:31.840
<v Speaker 2>And you know, there's going to be times in the

0:28:31.880 --> 0:28:34.800
<v Speaker 2>future where I calf call a bull in uh that's

0:28:34.840 --> 0:28:37.160
<v Speaker 2>what's going to work that day. And so I think

0:28:37.440 --> 0:28:40.640
<v Speaker 2>just you know, not putting anything aside. Everything's got to

0:28:40.680 --> 0:28:43.120
<v Speaker 2>be on the table. But I'm trying, definitely trying to

0:28:43.120 --> 0:28:45.000
<v Speaker 2>do less calling in a lot of the areas that

0:28:45.040 --> 0:28:45.600
<v Speaker 2>I'm on now.

0:28:46.720 --> 0:28:48.520
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, And I think being you know, being a skilled

0:28:48.600 --> 0:28:51.040
<v Speaker 1>hunter in that situation is recognizing like what you should

0:28:51.040 --> 0:28:53.080
<v Speaker 1>maybe do, like are they in a good stockable spot,

0:28:53.200 --> 0:28:55.480
<v Speaker 1>and recognizing that, like that's more important than being a

0:28:55.480 --> 0:28:58.680
<v Speaker 1>good caller having all these tools that you're not you're

0:28:58.720 --> 0:29:01.200
<v Speaker 1>not you know, leaning on your caring primarily, or you're

0:29:01.240 --> 0:29:03.000
<v Speaker 1>not just leaning on your spot in stock like at

0:29:03.000 --> 0:29:05.440
<v Speaker 1>any time if that situation, you know it dictates you

0:29:05.440 --> 0:29:08.800
<v Speaker 1>should be doing this or should try this, you know,

0:29:08.960 --> 0:29:11.200
<v Speaker 1>being able to do that or execute it. Well, yeah,

0:29:11.360 --> 0:29:13.200
<v Speaker 1>I agree, if you have all those tools and don't

0:29:13.200 --> 0:29:15.960
<v Speaker 1>limit yourself to one style of elkonny.

0:29:16.000 --> 0:29:18.160
<v Speaker 2>Absolutely, And you know, I look forward to one of

0:29:18.160 --> 0:29:19.880
<v Speaker 2>these years, I'm going to get back to the to

0:29:20.000 --> 0:29:22.760
<v Speaker 2>the old haunts that I used to hunt. And I

0:29:22.760 --> 0:29:25.720
<v Speaker 2>don't know about Washington, but Idaho, you know some of

0:29:25.760 --> 0:29:28.720
<v Speaker 2>the thick country, and and I guarantee there's going to

0:29:28.800 --> 0:29:30.320
<v Speaker 2>be times where I want to pick a fight, or

0:29:30.360 --> 0:29:33.440
<v Speaker 2>at least pick a fight with you know, a limb

0:29:33.520 --> 0:29:37.680
<v Speaker 2>and start raking. I really like rake and too. It

0:29:37.800 --> 0:29:40.280
<v Speaker 2>works so well for so many years back in the day.

0:29:42.240 --> 0:29:44.200
<v Speaker 2>I don't know if it works as well now in

0:29:44.240 --> 0:29:46.840
<v Speaker 2>those places in Washington we're raking in a bull. I

0:29:46.880 --> 0:29:49.920
<v Speaker 2>think a lot more guys are doing it, but you know,

0:29:50.000 --> 0:29:51.680
<v Speaker 2>they may be keyed into a little bit more than

0:29:51.680 --> 0:29:54.320
<v Speaker 2>they used to be. But yeah, all the tools, I

0:29:54.320 --> 0:29:57.600
<v Speaker 2>think they're important to have and and no one situation

0:29:57.760 --> 0:29:58.760
<v Speaker 2>is always going to be the same.

0:29:58.920 --> 0:30:03.360
<v Speaker 1>So, yeah, we had you on back on episode thirty

0:30:03.360 --> 0:30:05.400
<v Speaker 1>five what we did the spring Bear episode. So this

0:30:05.480 --> 0:30:07.960
<v Speaker 1>question may have the answer in there, I'm sure, but

0:30:08.000 --> 0:30:10.080
<v Speaker 1>maybe you can give like a real quick cliff note version.

0:30:10.560 --> 0:30:13.400
<v Speaker 1>How do you go about locating spring bears early in

0:30:13.440 --> 0:30:15.440
<v Speaker 1>the season. This comes from Parker Batista.

0:30:16.200 --> 0:30:19.880
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, early season. I love that very very front end

0:30:19.960 --> 0:30:23.240
<v Speaker 2>because it's just my opinion, but I feel like that

0:30:23.440 --> 0:30:26.600
<v Speaker 2>is your absolute best time to locate those older bores.

0:30:27.840 --> 0:30:29.880
<v Speaker 2>I don't know what the science shows, I don't know

0:30:30.320 --> 0:30:34.160
<v Speaker 2>what the professionals say, but it feels like and maybe

0:30:34.320 --> 0:30:36.800
<v Speaker 2>maybe you got some data this, Jason, but I am

0:30:36.840 --> 0:30:40.320
<v Speaker 2>fine in the biggest bores, Like the biggest ones on

0:30:40.360 --> 0:30:43.600
<v Speaker 2>the mountain are the first ones I see, and after that,

0:30:43.920 --> 0:30:46.840
<v Speaker 2>you know, come to mediums and then the thousand cubs

0:30:46.840 --> 0:30:49.200
<v Speaker 2>are kind of the last to show. Has that been

0:30:49.240 --> 0:30:51.000
<v Speaker 2>a case for you, because it sure has for me.

0:30:51.320 --> 0:30:53.480
<v Speaker 2>I always feel like that it's always going to be

0:30:53.880 --> 0:30:56.880
<v Speaker 2>one of the days in April where we just, you know,

0:30:56.920 --> 0:30:59.280
<v Speaker 2>we lay eyes on that first bear. He's usually a monster.

0:31:00.080 --> 0:31:02.600
<v Speaker 2>And you know where I like to focus my efforts

0:31:02.640 --> 0:31:05.240
<v Speaker 2>is in you know, big drainages with a lot of water.

0:31:06.840 --> 0:31:08.800
<v Speaker 2>I like to be there just ahead of green up

0:31:09.080 --> 0:31:12.880
<v Speaker 2>and those big bores. Man, I've found in the places

0:31:12.880 --> 0:31:16.280
<v Speaker 2>that I've hunted them, they just they really it almost

0:31:16.360 --> 0:31:18.280
<v Speaker 2>is like they're on that green line where the green

0:31:18.360 --> 0:31:21.040
<v Speaker 2>is just coming up. Sometimes even above it a little

0:31:21.040 --> 0:31:22.800
<v Speaker 2>bit like you don't even know what they're doing up

0:31:22.800 --> 0:31:26.880
<v Speaker 2>there eating, you know, avalanche lilies and things like that.

0:31:26.960 --> 0:31:29.480
<v Speaker 1>But yeah, I wish I had as much spring bear experience,

0:31:29.480 --> 0:31:31.960
<v Speaker 1>but I've hunted five times. It's all been in Washington,

0:31:32.040 --> 0:31:34.040
<v Speaker 1>down in the Blues, and we get to such a

0:31:34.120 --> 0:31:36.680
<v Speaker 1>late start May. Fifteenth year, I drew it was the

0:31:36.720 --> 0:31:39.200
<v Speaker 1>COVID year where they didn't even evidently they thought we

0:31:39.240 --> 0:31:42.120
<v Speaker 1>were gonna get COVID out in the woods, and then

0:31:42.120 --> 0:31:43.400
<v Speaker 1>we didn't want to give it to the bears, so

0:31:43.440 --> 0:31:46.640
<v Speaker 1>they made us start really late. And so all of

0:31:46.680 --> 0:31:49.280
<v Speaker 1>our experience has been more that mid May with still

0:31:49.400 --> 0:31:51.800
<v Speaker 1>kind of fighting that snow line, you know, pretty low

0:31:52.880 --> 0:31:55.640
<v Speaker 1>at least the one year we did have early, I

0:31:55.640 --> 0:31:57.720
<v Speaker 1>think those bigger bores we've seen them earlier in the trips,

0:31:57.720 --> 0:31:59.400
<v Speaker 1>and then as we went back trip after trip and

0:31:59.560 --> 0:32:01.959
<v Speaker 1>tried to make it happened, I think the bears were

0:32:01.960 --> 0:32:03.520
<v Speaker 1>getting smaller. So I would agree with that. I just

0:32:03.560 --> 0:32:06.000
<v Speaker 1>don't have as near as much experience, like into that

0:32:06.080 --> 0:32:09.479
<v Speaker 1>early April early May time frame where we're typically if

0:32:09.480 --> 0:32:11.640
<v Speaker 1>we're starting right off the bat, it's middle of the May,

0:32:11.760 --> 0:32:14.360
<v Speaker 1>and usually we elect to wait a little bit because

0:32:14.760 --> 0:32:16.960
<v Speaker 1>there is so much snow where the access is so hard.

0:32:17.240 --> 0:32:22.440
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, for sure. Yeah, I think you know where

0:32:22.480 --> 0:32:25.360
<v Speaker 2>I really like to focus my efforts for big bores

0:32:25.840 --> 0:32:30.960
<v Speaker 2>early season. I love that April timeframe, and I don't

0:32:30.960 --> 0:32:34.360
<v Speaker 2>want to be too late in the season, like May

0:32:34.440 --> 0:32:36.600
<v Speaker 2>is great too, and then into June. Some guys love

0:32:36.680 --> 0:32:38.440
<v Speaker 2>hunting the rut. I just like being on the front end,

0:32:38.640 --> 0:32:41.680
<v Speaker 2>you know, just best opportunity. You don't see as many bears.

0:32:42.200 --> 0:32:45.959
<v Speaker 2>But I really like that time where almost everything is brown,

0:32:46.040 --> 0:32:48.320
<v Speaker 2>it's just a little bit of green, just barely starting

0:32:48.360 --> 0:32:51.320
<v Speaker 2>to show up. I just that's that's the time frame

0:32:51.320 --> 0:32:52.640
<v Speaker 2>for me where I feel like I'm going to have

0:32:52.680 --> 0:32:55.600
<v Speaker 2>my best luck at the biggest bear on the mountain.

0:32:56.040 --> 0:33:01.760
<v Speaker 1>So, okay, gotcha. Last question. I'm not privy, do it.

0:33:01.800 --> 0:33:04.760
<v Speaker 1>Maybe you are tell us more about the trekking pole

0:33:04.800 --> 0:33:07.200
<v Speaker 1>glassing method. Maybe go Hunt had just talked about it.

0:33:07.560 --> 0:33:09.360
<v Speaker 1>I don't know if there's a specific method or something

0:33:09.360 --> 0:33:12.360
<v Speaker 1>different than than typical, but enlighten me.

0:33:12.440 --> 0:33:13.240
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I don't know either.

0:33:13.320 --> 0:33:15.560
<v Speaker 1>That came from That came from Nate Stevens.

0:33:15.640 --> 0:33:18.640
<v Speaker 2>Okay, I don't know. I'm not sure what what they

0:33:18.680 --> 0:33:22.360
<v Speaker 2>talked about. Over at go hunt, Yeah, trek and pull

0:33:22.400 --> 0:33:25.240
<v Speaker 2>glassing thing. I'm assuming it's just running your nyls on

0:33:25.280 --> 0:33:27.280
<v Speaker 2>top of the trekker, right, I do.

0:33:27.280 --> 0:33:30.520
<v Speaker 1>It all the time, I would think, yeah, yeah, or

0:33:30.560 --> 0:33:32.640
<v Speaker 1>on top of your bowcam or whatever you've got, you

0:33:32.680 --> 0:33:33.640
<v Speaker 1>can lean into the ground.

0:33:33.680 --> 0:33:36.320
<v Speaker 2>It's a real quick way to just like get solid

0:33:36.360 --> 0:33:38.320
<v Speaker 2>real fast and not have to pull the tripod out

0:33:38.360 --> 0:33:40.560
<v Speaker 2>and get your binos on the tripod. So no, I

0:33:40.680 --> 0:33:44.720
<v Speaker 2>use it all the time. And uh no, I mean

0:33:45.080 --> 0:33:47.840
<v Speaker 2>it's almost just as good as a tripod in many cases.

0:33:48.040 --> 0:33:51.240
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but does your do the peak design? Do the

0:33:51.280 --> 0:33:53.680
<v Speaker 1>sissy sticks have a thread in the top yet like

0:33:53.680 --> 0:33:56.560
<v Speaker 1>the old Eastern trekking poles did, where you can like

0:33:56.640 --> 0:33:59.000
<v Speaker 1>thread them on and use it. I don't know if

0:33:59.000 --> 0:34:01.600
<v Speaker 1>that's patented, but something you guys should look into for sure.

0:34:01.840 --> 0:34:04.080
<v Speaker 1>They had that like five eight stud that would like

0:34:04.080 --> 0:34:06.000
<v Speaker 1>you have a cap that would go over your trekking

0:34:06.040 --> 0:34:10.520
<v Speaker 1>poll and then you could just dread your your holder

0:34:10.560 --> 0:34:12.640
<v Speaker 1>on when you didn't want to use them, that cap

0:34:12.680 --> 0:34:15.080
<v Speaker 1>would come back down. Just throw that out for you guys.

0:34:15.080 --> 0:34:16.839
<v Speaker 1>I didn't know if you guys did, or I knew

0:34:16.880 --> 0:34:19.719
<v Speaker 1>an old set of Easton's I had did have those,

0:34:19.800 --> 0:34:22.400
<v Speaker 1>but it made it slick back when I had my

0:34:22.440 --> 0:34:24.160
<v Speaker 1>binos hooked up and you could just thread them on

0:34:24.200 --> 0:34:25.600
<v Speaker 1>real quick and then you don't have to worry about

0:34:25.600 --> 0:34:28.200
<v Speaker 1>like holding on or you know, you could if you're

0:34:28.200 --> 0:34:29.520
<v Speaker 1>going to set up for a little bit longer.

0:34:29.800 --> 0:34:30.480
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, there you go.

0:34:31.040 --> 0:34:33.360
<v Speaker 1>I'll pass that on. I don't know if you're going

0:34:33.400 --> 0:34:35.280
<v Speaker 1>to answer these questions or not. It was a pretty

0:34:35.320 --> 0:34:37.520
<v Speaker 1>popular question. But now that you're not in Washington, are

0:34:37.520 --> 0:34:39.880
<v Speaker 1>you willing to give up your meal deer and Roosevelt

0:34:39.880 --> 0:34:41.160
<v Speaker 1>elk hunting spots?

0:34:41.520 --> 0:34:44.920
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, surprising how many people have reached out with that one, Jason.

0:34:45.560 --> 0:34:47.760
<v Speaker 2>But it was more like right after I left Washington,

0:34:48.200 --> 0:34:50.000
<v Speaker 2>there was a lot of guys like really thinking that

0:34:50.040 --> 0:34:53.000
<v Speaker 2>I would just give them the spots. So you know,

0:34:53.840 --> 0:34:56.360
<v Speaker 2>my best hunting buddy who I've hunted with more than anybody,

0:34:56.400 --> 0:34:59.960
<v Speaker 2>and that's Joey Pyron, he's still over there in Washington.

0:35:01.600 --> 0:35:04.879
<v Speaker 2>He he knows all the spots. We used to hunt

0:35:04.880 --> 0:35:08.680
<v Speaker 2>these spots together and for years I I told him,

0:35:08.719 --> 0:35:11.120
<v Speaker 2>I was like, because he kind of he got into

0:35:11.120 --> 0:35:13.200
<v Speaker 2>this waterfowl thing. He does a lot of fishing. Now

0:35:13.200 --> 0:35:15.000
<v Speaker 2>he doesn't do the big game hunting that we used

0:35:15.000 --> 0:35:18.560
<v Speaker 2>to do. It's gonna hate me airing this out there

0:35:18.600 --> 0:35:21.759
<v Speaker 2>for him, but it's true. He needs to hunt big

0:35:21.800 --> 0:35:25.440
<v Speaker 2>game more. But I told him, like, look, there's a

0:35:25.440 --> 0:35:28.640
<v Speaker 2>little window here. You better keep getting after these spots.

0:35:28.680 --> 0:35:30.480
<v Speaker 2>You know, we have some really good old hunts that

0:35:30.520 --> 0:35:32.560
<v Speaker 2>we used to hunt. Otherwise I'm gonna have to give

0:35:32.640 --> 0:35:34.600
<v Speaker 2>him up. So he's got a little bit more time.

0:35:34.640 --> 0:35:36.759
<v Speaker 2>If he doesn't start taking advantage of his time over

0:35:36.800 --> 0:35:38.680
<v Speaker 2>there into these places where he used we used to

0:35:38.760 --> 0:35:41.640
<v Speaker 2>kill big bucks, I might start having to give these

0:35:41.680 --> 0:35:46.000
<v Speaker 2>spots up. But yeah, at this point, you know, I

0:35:46.719 --> 0:35:49.279
<v Speaker 2>have plans, like I really will. I will come back

0:35:49.320 --> 0:35:51.239
<v Speaker 2>to Washington one of these years. I want to just

0:35:51.280 --> 0:35:54.239
<v Speaker 2>come back and hunt some of the older you know,

0:35:54.360 --> 0:35:57.400
<v Speaker 2>in late October there like we used to. And I

0:35:57.480 --> 0:35:59.359
<v Speaker 2>really want to go back and see if anybody has

0:35:59.400 --> 0:36:01.440
<v Speaker 2>found these air there is you know it, really I'm

0:36:01.440 --> 0:36:04.640
<v Speaker 2>really curious about that. I've heard there's a lot more

0:36:04.719 --> 0:36:07.520
<v Speaker 2>hunters over there stomping around in the mountains these days

0:36:07.520 --> 0:36:10.080
<v Speaker 2>than there used to be. So yeah, you know, it

0:36:10.160 --> 0:36:13.080
<v Speaker 2>really intrigues me to see how things have changed and

0:36:13.160 --> 0:36:15.120
<v Speaker 2>if there are still some big old bucks and these

0:36:15.480 --> 0:36:19.640
<v Speaker 2>really secluded places, but no, selfishly, those those areas are

0:36:19.680 --> 0:36:23.600
<v Speaker 2>probably going to be just for us folks that have

0:36:23.640 --> 0:36:24.240
<v Speaker 2>been there before.

0:36:25.280 --> 0:36:27.839
<v Speaker 1>Yep, yep, I don't blame. And then somebody else wanted

0:36:27.840 --> 0:36:29.920
<v Speaker 1>to know about your hair held routine on ten day

0:36:29.960 --> 0:36:30.880
<v Speaker 1>backpack trips.

0:36:30.880 --> 0:36:33.520
<v Speaker 2>But if you've seen the videos, you know there is

0:36:33.560 --> 0:36:37.080
<v Speaker 2>no routine. It's it drives my wife crazy, Like the

0:36:37.160 --> 0:36:39.080
<v Speaker 2>dreadlocks I have to rip out at the end of

0:36:39.080 --> 0:36:42.640
<v Speaker 2>the trip, just drives you crazy. My daughter's trying to

0:36:42.640 --> 0:36:45.080
<v Speaker 2>get me to pack a hair brush. It's just it's

0:36:45.160 --> 0:36:49.080
<v Speaker 2>just nonsense. It embarrasses them, but it's kind of why

0:36:49.080 --> 0:36:55.400
<v Speaker 2>I do it. So no, no routine, no brushing.

0:36:53.520 --> 0:36:55.640
<v Speaker 1>And say, if your daughter starts, is your daughter starts

0:36:55.640 --> 0:36:57.279
<v Speaker 1>to backpack with you more and more, she'll have to

0:36:57.280 --> 0:36:59.280
<v Speaker 1>pack the brush and you can just take advantage of just.

0:36:59.120 --> 0:37:01.080
<v Speaker 2>Tried to get that brush in my hair. She definitely

0:37:01.120 --> 0:37:04.960
<v Speaker 2>packs her brush on the trips that we take, so yeah,

0:37:04.960 --> 0:37:06.240
<v Speaker 2>I just keep it out of my hair.

0:37:07.520 --> 0:37:10.040
<v Speaker 1>All right. Well, I appreciate answering all those questions. Ryan

0:37:11.200 --> 0:37:13.640
<v Speaker 1>a little longer version of our typical question and answer

0:37:13.680 --> 0:37:16.040
<v Speaker 1>for our guests, but we went out specifically looking for these.

0:37:16.320 --> 0:37:19.280
<v Speaker 1>Once again, you have questions for me or my guests,

0:37:19.640 --> 0:37:22.399
<v Speaker 1>please feel free to email them to us at CTD

0:37:23.000 --> 0:37:25.000
<v Speaker 1>at Phelps game Calls dot Com, or hit us up

0:37:25.000 --> 0:37:28.719
<v Speaker 1>on social media, send us a message and we'll we'll

0:37:28.719 --> 0:37:43.160
<v Speaker 1>do our best to get those thrown in. Stole a

0:37:43.160 --> 0:37:44.879
<v Speaker 1>little bit of my thunder there with some of their questions.

0:37:44.880 --> 0:37:46.400
<v Speaker 1>We're going to talk about health and fitness. You know,

0:37:46.480 --> 0:37:49.560
<v Speaker 1>your training, diet, but we really covered that, and so

0:37:49.800 --> 0:37:52.480
<v Speaker 1>we're just gonna kind of jump into kind of your

0:37:52.480 --> 0:37:55.640
<v Speaker 1>season recap twenty three. You know, I think we go

0:37:55.719 --> 0:37:58.040
<v Speaker 1>all the way back. We were both on Mexico kus

0:37:58.080 --> 0:38:01.359
<v Speaker 1>deer hunts. I don't think on the episode thirty five

0:38:01.400 --> 0:38:03.040
<v Speaker 1>on the Bear Hunt we even really got into that.

0:38:03.160 --> 0:38:05.760
<v Speaker 1>So have you start with like your CU's Whitetail trip,

0:38:06.000 --> 0:38:08.520
<v Speaker 1>your spring bear season, and then we kind of fast

0:38:08.520 --> 0:38:11.319
<v Speaker 1>forward to it our old season used to be our

0:38:11.360 --> 0:38:15.120
<v Speaker 1>fall seasons where you went Alaska, Moose, Alaska, Blacktail, Montana,

0:38:15.160 --> 0:38:16.840
<v Speaker 1>elk and deer, and just kind of give us a

0:38:16.920 --> 0:38:19.720
<v Speaker 1>rundown of those six hunts and if there was any

0:38:19.960 --> 0:38:22.359
<v Speaker 1>anything technical or tactical that you did specific to those

0:38:22.440 --> 0:38:26.399
<v Speaker 1>hunts or maybe change in you know, elk behavior or

0:38:26.440 --> 0:38:29.040
<v Speaker 1>deer behavior moose that kind of you had to adapt

0:38:29.120 --> 0:38:32.239
<v Speaker 1>to and change to it. That kind of maybe helped

0:38:32.239 --> 0:38:33.560
<v Speaker 1>you out on those hunts.

0:38:33.960 --> 0:38:36.000
<v Speaker 2>So we're going back to Mexico. Is that where we're

0:38:36.000 --> 0:38:36.399
<v Speaker 2>going to start.

0:38:36.560 --> 0:38:38.200
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, we'll start. Yeah, we'll start in Mexico. I

0:38:38.200 --> 0:38:40.440
<v Speaker 1>don't think we ever talked about that here on cutting

0:38:40.480 --> 0:38:41.320
<v Speaker 1>the distance. Yeah.

0:38:41.360 --> 0:38:44.399
<v Speaker 2>So, you know, it was my first year down there,

0:38:44.480 --> 0:38:49.319
<v Speaker 2>you know, acrossing the border. I've hunted queues on the

0:38:49.360 --> 0:38:52.320
<v Speaker 2>north side of it for a few years, handful of years,

0:38:52.680 --> 0:38:54.560
<v Speaker 2>and just had an absolute blast. This is the first

0:38:54.560 --> 0:38:58.080
<v Speaker 2>opportunity that I've ever had to get across the order

0:38:58.120 --> 0:39:00.840
<v Speaker 2>and go down and chase cues, and we had a blast.

0:39:00.960 --> 0:39:03.239
<v Speaker 2>You know, this was a place where, you know, I

0:39:03.239 --> 0:39:08.200
<v Speaker 2>didn't really know what to expect. There were four of us, myself, Brian,

0:39:08.400 --> 0:39:12.400
<v Speaker 2>Brad and Hunter went down and it just felt like

0:39:12.400 --> 0:39:14.440
<v Speaker 2>a wilderness where we were. It was so wild and

0:39:14.440 --> 0:39:18.560
<v Speaker 2>there's just nothing around, you know, getting way back into

0:39:18.560 --> 0:39:22.200
<v Speaker 2>this country, that felt like just nobody's looking at this

0:39:22.760 --> 0:39:25.239
<v Speaker 2>these places and not many people have seen it. And

0:39:25.320 --> 0:39:29.000
<v Speaker 2>so you know, came down to glass and honestly, and

0:39:29.080 --> 0:39:31.759
<v Speaker 2>for most cues deer hunters, I think they degree you know,

0:39:32.120 --> 0:39:35.560
<v Speaker 2>just spending time behind the glass can't be stated, you

0:39:35.600 --> 0:39:40.120
<v Speaker 2>know enough, because uh, really good glass. I always run

0:39:40.160 --> 0:39:43.160
<v Speaker 2>the higher power by knows when I'm down there, a

0:39:43.160 --> 0:39:45.719
<v Speaker 2>little bit more power spot or when I'm down there,

0:39:46.640 --> 0:39:49.480
<v Speaker 2>you've got to be so diligent with Cou's deer. You know,

0:39:49.600 --> 0:39:52.440
<v Speaker 2>every time I end a cues deer hunt, it's the

0:39:52.480 --> 0:39:57.200
<v Speaker 2>same thing. I walk away thinking, Man, it was all

0:39:57.320 --> 0:40:00.040
<v Speaker 2>about the time spent behind the glass, because those the

0:40:00.160 --> 0:40:02.319
<v Speaker 2>little buggers just disappear on you. I mean, you could

0:40:02.320 --> 0:40:05.440
<v Speaker 2>be literally staring at a at a great buck, take

0:40:05.480 --> 0:40:07.279
<v Speaker 2>your eyes out of the glass, go back, and he's

0:40:07.320 --> 0:40:09.719
<v Speaker 2>going forever and you just have no idea where he

0:40:09.840 --> 0:40:15.040
<v Speaker 2>vanished to. But I think being being very patient is

0:40:15.120 --> 0:40:18.680
<v Speaker 2>a big virtue in Inku's deer hunting. If you don't

0:40:18.719 --> 0:40:22.359
<v Speaker 2>have a lot of patients, might be a tough, tough

0:40:22.400 --> 0:40:25.000
<v Speaker 2>trip for you. So the particular trip that I went

0:40:25.080 --> 0:40:27.680
<v Speaker 2>down on this was not a high density area. I

0:40:27.719 --> 0:40:33.440
<v Speaker 2>saw very few deer, very few bucks overall, which was

0:40:33.480 --> 0:40:36.480
<v Speaker 2>a little bit shocking, but it was cool anyway. We

0:40:36.480 --> 0:40:39.320
<v Speaker 2>were still finding good mature bucks, just not many deer

0:40:40.160 --> 0:40:43.120
<v Speaker 2>in general. Now, I don't know if it was because

0:40:43.239 --> 0:40:45.520
<v Speaker 2>it was it was a very wet year last year.

0:40:45.560 --> 0:40:49.799
<v Speaker 2>There was water everywhere, and so you know, obviously kind

0:40:49.800 --> 0:40:51.359
<v Speaker 2>of makes sense that they'd be spread out a little

0:40:51.360 --> 0:40:53.960
<v Speaker 2>bit more. They're not so focused on these certain drainages.

0:40:55.160 --> 0:40:57.080
<v Speaker 2>I don't know, we'll see because we're going to the

0:40:57.120 --> 0:40:59.080
<v Speaker 2>same place this year and we're going to check it out.

0:40:59.520 --> 0:41:04.680
<v Speaker 2>But I think with Cou's deer, I always come away with, Uh,

0:41:04.760 --> 0:41:06.680
<v Speaker 2>it's all about the time spent behind the glass. And

0:41:06.719 --> 0:41:09.560
<v Speaker 2>if you're not a very diligent glasser, if you're not

0:41:09.719 --> 0:41:13.040
<v Speaker 2>willing to just keep those things you know, slammed onto

0:41:13.040 --> 0:41:15.879
<v Speaker 2>your head like just all day long, willing to do that,

0:41:16.320 --> 0:41:17.759
<v Speaker 2>you're probably not going to see the deer.

0:41:18.080 --> 0:41:19.160
<v Speaker 3>And uh yep.

0:41:19.640 --> 0:41:21.839
<v Speaker 2>You know, we've hunted with those guys that don't see

0:41:21.880 --> 0:41:24.000
<v Speaker 2>many and they just end up letting you do all

0:41:24.000 --> 0:41:25.480
<v Speaker 2>the work and find them.

0:41:25.560 --> 0:41:28.799
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Yeah, I'm I'm in the same boat like I've.

0:41:29.880 --> 0:41:32.400
<v Speaker 1>I feel like I'm three times as good a glasser

0:41:32.600 --> 0:41:34.120
<v Speaker 1>now that I've qu's deer hunted. When I come back

0:41:34.120 --> 0:41:35.680
<v Speaker 1>to meal, your hunt like this is easy now at

0:41:35.680 --> 0:41:38.879
<v Speaker 1>this point because of the strategies we put together down there.

0:41:38.960 --> 0:41:40.680
<v Speaker 1>You know, you're either always in your biyos and I

0:41:40.719 --> 0:41:42.920
<v Speaker 1>love setting up spots where if I climb up the mountain,

0:41:43.280 --> 0:41:46.000
<v Speaker 1>I've got some good shoot shooting lanes five hundred. But

0:41:46.080 --> 0:41:48.400
<v Speaker 1>then my glassing kind of goes across canyons, right, so

0:41:48.440 --> 0:41:51.239
<v Speaker 1>I'm able to have a hunt that morning or that night,

0:41:51.320 --> 0:41:53.879
<v Speaker 1>but then my glassing goes from a wolf or not here.

0:41:53.960 --> 0:41:57.279
<v Speaker 1>Now I'm glassing for the for a stalk, and I

0:41:57.360 --> 0:42:00.440
<v Speaker 1>usually go from tens. I didn't bring like twelves or

0:42:00.480 --> 0:42:03.240
<v Speaker 1>fifteens or eighteens. I went from tens right into my spotter.

0:42:03.640 --> 0:42:07.040
<v Speaker 1>And so my my glassing requires me to be in

0:42:07.040 --> 0:42:11.720
<v Speaker 1>that spotting scope all day and just sit and walk

0:42:11.800 --> 0:42:14.719
<v Speaker 1>and walk the spotter. And similar to what you said,

0:42:14.719 --> 0:42:17.040
<v Speaker 1>there were times where I would spot a deer try

0:42:17.080 --> 0:42:18.719
<v Speaker 1>to like get somebody on them. So I'm looking for

0:42:18.800 --> 0:42:21.000
<v Speaker 1>landmarks and trying, and then I would look back in there,

0:42:21.000 --> 0:42:24.040
<v Speaker 1>I'm like, damn it, it left, but it hadn't left.

0:42:24.120 --> 0:42:26.680
<v Speaker 1>I just couldn't respot the deer or was just stand

0:42:26.719 --> 0:42:29.520
<v Speaker 1>it like you just couldn't pick it up, or you know,

0:42:29.600 --> 0:42:31.759
<v Speaker 1>last year a buck was pushing a dough and so

0:42:31.760 --> 0:42:34.360
<v Speaker 1>then you're kind of really fastly tracking them around the

0:42:34.360 --> 0:42:40.640
<v Speaker 1>clear cut and you'd lose them at times. And or

0:42:40.840 --> 0:42:42.880
<v Speaker 1>what we found on that time was we've been glassing

0:42:42.880 --> 0:42:44.719
<v Speaker 1>this clearcut only seven hundre dards a way not too

0:42:44.800 --> 0:42:48.680
<v Speaker 1>extremely far with the spotting scope, and that buck went

0:42:48.719 --> 0:42:50.560
<v Speaker 1>and found all these five or six dos for us

0:42:50.560 --> 0:42:52.120
<v Speaker 1>on the hillside. We had never seen a deer on

0:42:52.440 --> 0:42:56.520
<v Speaker 1>and it was just it's it's glassing at a different level.

0:42:56.520 --> 0:42:59.400
<v Speaker 1>But I love it because I I it makes me

0:42:59.480 --> 0:43:02.280
<v Speaker 1>better glass. It lets me know that you're looking for ears,

0:43:02.280 --> 0:43:05.040
<v Speaker 1>you're looking for horns, you're looking for a leg kicked

0:43:05.080 --> 0:43:08.200
<v Speaker 1>out in a bed like it just it prepares you

0:43:08.200 --> 0:43:10.120
<v Speaker 1>for when I come home black till hunting or meal deer.

0:43:11.000 --> 0:43:12.319
<v Speaker 1>Like it's nothing for me to just sit in my

0:43:12.320 --> 0:43:14.520
<v Speaker 1>spotter for an hour compared to five hours at a

0:43:14.560 --> 0:43:17.560
<v Speaker 1>time down there. And yeah, it definitely makes you a better,

0:43:17.880 --> 0:43:18.480
<v Speaker 1>better glasser.

0:43:18.600 --> 0:43:21.600
<v Speaker 2>I mean, those little ghosts, they could just be standing

0:43:21.880 --> 0:43:24.200
<v Speaker 2>all over hillside and if you're not really tuned in,

0:43:24.640 --> 0:43:27.560
<v Speaker 2>you'll just run your bionos right over them. What I

0:43:27.680 --> 0:43:30.120
<v Speaker 2>what I find unique is you know, they're so similar

0:43:30.200 --> 0:43:33.399
<v Speaker 2>to a mal deer. I hate that they're white tailing,

0:43:33.560 --> 0:43:38.120
<v Speaker 2>just but they're so similar because you know how and

0:43:38.480 --> 0:43:40.560
<v Speaker 2>for whatever reason. Some some of the biggest bucks that

0:43:40.600 --> 0:43:43.440
<v Speaker 2>we've seen, they will statue for so long, Jason, Like,

0:43:43.760 --> 0:43:46.359
<v Speaker 2>you can watch a buck statue up for forty five

0:43:46.400 --> 0:43:49.279
<v Speaker 2>minutes and he doesn't move a muscle and he's just

0:43:49.960 --> 0:43:52.279
<v Speaker 2>he's just there. He's in the in the you know,

0:43:52.880 --> 0:43:55.439
<v Speaker 2>in the oak brush or whatever. And if you're looking

0:43:55.440 --> 0:43:58.400
<v Speaker 2>for movement or if you're looking for the backside of

0:43:58.400 --> 0:44:00.440
<v Speaker 2>the deer things that are obvious, you're going to go

0:44:00.560 --> 0:44:04.080
<v Speaker 2>right over that buck. So you really got to slow

0:44:04.120 --> 0:44:06.640
<v Speaker 2>it down, really got to pay attention to the details

0:44:06.640 --> 0:44:09.760
<v Speaker 2>with coos deer. And they're so tiny, yeah, so tiny.

0:44:10.160 --> 0:44:12.560
<v Speaker 1>Yep, Yeah, we see the same thing. Like even though

0:44:12.560 --> 0:44:13.640
<v Speaker 1>you're in the middle of the rut, like some of

0:44:13.640 --> 0:44:15.800
<v Speaker 1>those bigger bucks, they just yeah, they just sit and

0:44:15.840 --> 0:44:17.600
<v Speaker 1>I'm like, why aren't you chasing? Why aren't you moving?

0:44:17.640 --> 0:44:20.520
<v Speaker 1>But they'll sit there for for twenty twenty five minutes

0:44:20.560 --> 0:44:22.759
<v Speaker 1>and just look or you know, pay attention to what's

0:44:22.800 --> 0:44:23.760
<v Speaker 1>going on the hillside.

0:44:23.840 --> 0:44:26.000
<v Speaker 2>And yeah, and when they get in those okts, like

0:44:26.040 --> 0:44:28.319
<v Speaker 2>some of the biggest bucks we found have just been

0:44:28.760 --> 0:44:30.839
<v Speaker 2>in thek t is for whatever reason. They love it

0:44:31.440 --> 0:44:34.000
<v Speaker 2>and you're just looking for something a little bit unique

0:44:34.239 --> 0:44:37.680
<v Speaker 2>you know, you know those everything is up, you know, vertical,

0:44:37.719 --> 0:44:39.440
<v Speaker 2>and then you're just looking for an antler off to

0:44:39.520 --> 0:44:42.200
<v Speaker 2>the side and they will just statue in that stuff.

0:44:42.239 --> 0:44:45.160
<v Speaker 2>And like you said, the doz, I mean they just disappear,

0:44:45.360 --> 0:44:48.279
<v Speaker 2>they lay down and you're looking for years go and

0:44:48.360 --> 0:44:48.920
<v Speaker 2>that's about it.

0:44:49.040 --> 0:44:51.560
<v Speaker 1>Yep. Yeah, I'm excited. We're going to a new a

0:44:51.600 --> 0:44:54.080
<v Speaker 1>new ranch this year that not we have. We were

0:44:54.080 --> 0:44:55.759
<v Speaker 1>at a ranch that had maybe a higher density it

0:44:55.760 --> 0:44:58.160
<v Speaker 1>sounds like, but maybe not the up end of Bucks.

0:44:58.160 --> 0:44:59.879
<v Speaker 1>So we're gonna we're gonna mix it up this year,

0:45:00.120 --> 0:45:01.880
<v Speaker 1>go try a little different area and see if we

0:45:01.880 --> 0:45:05.360
<v Speaker 1>can't maybe find some bigger, bigger Bucks. And I'm excited.

0:45:05.400 --> 0:45:08.440
<v Speaker 1>It sounds like. The nice thing about Mexico is private

0:45:08.520 --> 0:45:12.200
<v Speaker 1>land public like compared to up here north of the border.

0:45:13.000 --> 0:45:14.840
<v Speaker 1>You know, there's always a chance somebody else's hunted it, right,

0:45:14.840 --> 0:45:16.319
<v Speaker 1>It's like if you have a general tag, you can

0:45:16.320 --> 0:45:19.080
<v Speaker 1>go hunt somebody's private or if it's public any like

0:45:19.360 --> 0:45:21.680
<v Speaker 1>Mexico's nice because if you don't have one of the

0:45:21.719 --> 0:45:24.279
<v Speaker 1>four tags, that's good for that ranch, Like nobody can

0:45:24.320 --> 0:45:25.799
<v Speaker 1>dare hunt that the rest of the year, like it's

0:45:25.960 --> 0:45:27.880
<v Speaker 1>left alone and we're going to spot. I don't think

0:45:27.880 --> 0:45:29.920
<v Speaker 1>it's been hunted for like six years anyways. And then

0:45:30.600 --> 0:45:32.239
<v Speaker 1>so we're gonna see. We'll see what it.

0:45:32.480 --> 0:45:35.360
<v Speaker 3>We'll see what it's.

0:45:35.520 --> 0:45:38.239
<v Speaker 2>It's Uh, it's kind of a slower hunt. It's a

0:45:38.280 --> 0:45:40.040
<v Speaker 2>great time to go down to, right, it's kind of

0:45:40.040 --> 0:45:42.760
<v Speaker 2>the off season. Yep, it's always a little bit warmer.

0:45:42.840 --> 0:45:44.920
<v Speaker 2>It's usually in the minus temps here in Montana at

0:45:44.920 --> 0:45:47.760
<v Speaker 2>that time. So just a fun time to get down there.

0:45:48.920 --> 0:45:51.759
<v Speaker 2>You know, I never, handfully, years ago, I never expected

0:45:51.800 --> 0:45:55.200
<v Speaker 2>that I'd ever even hunt Mexico. Always wanted to, always

0:45:55.200 --> 0:45:57.480
<v Speaker 2>thought about, you know, opportunity to go hunts an oora

0:45:57.560 --> 0:46:01.319
<v Speaker 2>or whatever. But last year was my first opportunity to

0:46:01.360 --> 0:46:04.640
<v Speaker 2>do it, and I'm I'm addicted. I absolutely love it. Yeah,

0:46:04.680 --> 0:46:05.279
<v Speaker 2>a lot of fun.

0:46:05.400 --> 0:46:08.799
<v Speaker 1>That's awesome. And so from Cou's Deer you rolled into

0:46:08.880 --> 0:46:13.240
<v Speaker 1>spring Bear, which coming into this year, real low snow

0:46:13.320 --> 0:46:16.239
<v Speaker 1>packed pretty deep. Howd that pan out for it? And

0:46:16.280 --> 0:46:17.359
<v Speaker 1>did it change a hunt at all?

0:46:17.560 --> 0:46:17.759
<v Speaker 2>Yeah?

0:46:17.800 --> 0:46:18.000
<v Speaker 1>It was.

0:46:18.120 --> 0:46:20.320
<v Speaker 2>It was a tough year, honestly. You know, the crew

0:46:20.360 --> 0:46:23.640
<v Speaker 2>had a real rough go. You know, on the front end,

0:46:25.000 --> 0:46:30.880
<v Speaker 2>you say the snow was wanky. We ended up we struggled.

0:46:31.040 --> 0:46:34.400
<v Speaker 2>Like the first bear I took, I think I was gosh,

0:46:34.440 --> 0:46:36.520
<v Speaker 2>I want to say, I was like sixteen days into

0:46:36.560 --> 0:46:38.439
<v Speaker 2>it before I took that first bear, and I took

0:46:38.480 --> 0:46:41.160
<v Speaker 2>a one of the best bears I've ever taken, just

0:46:41.200 --> 0:46:45.120
<v Speaker 2>an absolute stud. But I had to spend a lot

0:46:45.160 --> 0:46:47.960
<v Speaker 2>of time, and we had bears that would spot and

0:46:48.239 --> 0:46:50.680
<v Speaker 2>they just disappear on us, you know how it goes.

0:46:50.760 --> 0:46:54.920
<v Speaker 2>And they were moving off of those south facers so fast.

0:46:54.960 --> 0:46:57.600
<v Speaker 2>They just weren't putting in the time. They weren't giving

0:46:57.719 --> 0:47:00.480
<v Speaker 2>us time to get to them before they just move off.

0:47:00.520 --> 0:47:03.279
<v Speaker 2>They were traveling. It was kind of just a weird

0:47:03.360 --> 0:47:05.680
<v Speaker 2>year like that. I hadn't seen that for a while.

0:47:05.719 --> 0:47:08.480
<v Speaker 2>But in the end, Yeah, I took a couple of

0:47:08.480 --> 0:47:12.440
<v Speaker 2>good bears, had a good season overall. I ended up

0:47:12.480 --> 0:47:15.440
<v Speaker 2>with the wolf on the first trip and a cat

0:47:15.480 --> 0:47:18.239
<v Speaker 2>at the same time, So I think we talked about that.

0:47:18.320 --> 0:47:21.080
<v Speaker 2>But yeah, yeah, that was that was a heck of

0:47:21.120 --> 0:47:26.359
<v Speaker 2>a trip. It really it really like it forced us

0:47:26.400 --> 0:47:28.480
<v Speaker 2>to be diligent on that one because it was it

0:47:28.520 --> 0:47:31.680
<v Speaker 2>was a tough go. Yeah, we had to put in

0:47:31.719 --> 0:47:33.799
<v Speaker 2>a lot of effort, a lot of work to fill

0:47:33.840 --> 0:47:34.759
<v Speaker 2>those tags.

0:47:35.480 --> 0:47:41.400
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so now you're you get to our fall seasons. Alaska.

0:47:41.600 --> 0:47:43.480
<v Speaker 1>Moose was first on the on the dark Heads.

0:47:43.560 --> 0:47:45.600
<v Speaker 2>Actually we went up and did a little black tail

0:47:45.640 --> 0:47:49.320
<v Speaker 2>trip up in Alaska with my daughter before them. Yeah,

0:47:49.360 --> 0:47:52.120
<v Speaker 2>so that was an August trip. So we went up

0:47:52.160 --> 0:47:55.239
<v Speaker 2>there in August and uh, kind of a first for me,

0:47:55.400 --> 0:47:59.600
<v Speaker 2>something I wanted to do, but went up there. Good crew,

0:47:59.640 --> 0:48:03.480
<v Speaker 2>a guy, as you know, I met a couple we

0:48:03.520 --> 0:48:06.600
<v Speaker 2>had met up in Fairbanks the prior year when we

0:48:06.640 --> 0:48:11.400
<v Speaker 2>were at mooseh Dalton and his wife Tabitha, and we

0:48:11.440 --> 0:48:15.600
<v Speaker 2>hooked up for a hunt and went out not really

0:48:15.600 --> 0:48:19.120
<v Speaker 2>knowing what to expect, just kind of located a pothole

0:48:19.800 --> 0:48:22.719
<v Speaker 2>and went after it. Landed on a pothole in some

0:48:22.840 --> 0:48:26.799
<v Speaker 2>alpine country in southeast and and we had a heck

0:48:26.840 --> 0:48:29.480
<v Speaker 2>of a trip. My daughter absolutely loved it. You know.

0:48:29.520 --> 0:48:34.520
<v Speaker 2>I prepared her for the worst, you know, weatherwise, just

0:48:34.560 --> 0:48:36.480
<v Speaker 2>made sure I let her know, like this could be

0:48:36.520 --> 0:48:38.120
<v Speaker 2>a trip or we don't see the sun for a

0:48:38.160 --> 0:48:40.320
<v Speaker 2>while and it's going to be slippery, it's going to

0:48:40.360 --> 0:48:42.319
<v Speaker 2>be steep, you know, just just be ready for that.

0:48:42.440 --> 0:48:45.200
<v Speaker 2>And Jason, we got there and we had five straight

0:48:45.280 --> 0:48:48.440
<v Speaker 2>days of sunshine and beautiful weather. It was fairly warm,

0:48:49.120 --> 0:48:51.480
<v Speaker 2>and we had deer on the mountain. They were shining

0:48:51.560 --> 0:48:55.600
<v Speaker 2>like diamonds. They were red coated. She took She filled

0:48:55.600 --> 0:48:58.239
<v Speaker 2>both her tags. I filled both mine. We all feel

0:48:58.280 --> 0:49:01.320
<v Speaker 2>our tags that we had ended up with seven bucks

0:49:01.600 --> 0:49:04.640
<v Speaker 2>and had one of the funnest trips you could possibly have.

0:49:04.760 --> 0:49:09.600
<v Speaker 2>And my daughter just absolutely loved that trip. And you know,

0:49:09.640 --> 0:49:11.440
<v Speaker 2>it's funny. I was talking to Delton the other day

0:49:11.480 --> 0:49:13.240
<v Speaker 2>and he's like, Hey, you want to do that trip again?

0:49:13.280 --> 0:49:16.000
<v Speaker 2>And I was like, no, I don't. I don't ever

0:49:16.000 --> 0:49:18.200
<v Speaker 2>want to be that trip again because we're going to

0:49:18.280 --> 0:49:19.920
<v Speaker 2>go back and it's going to be a letdown. We

0:49:20.000 --> 0:49:23.800
<v Speaker 2>had the best we could possibly have on this trip,

0:49:23.880 --> 0:49:26.160
<v Speaker 2>Like it could not have gone any better. We're going

0:49:26.239 --> 0:49:27.879
<v Speaker 2>to go back and we're going to be a little

0:49:27.920 --> 0:49:30.000
<v Speaker 2>bummed out because the weather's going to be sour and

0:49:30.400 --> 0:49:32.160
<v Speaker 2>we're not going to see the quality bucks that we

0:49:32.200 --> 0:49:34.600
<v Speaker 2>saw on that trip. So I was like, you know, Dulton,

0:49:34.600 --> 0:49:36.959
<v Speaker 2>it's one of those hunts that it went so well,

0:49:37.000 --> 0:49:39.880
<v Speaker 2>I just I'll go somewhere else. I'm just going to

0:49:39.960 --> 0:49:42.279
<v Speaker 2>leave it. Yeah, yep, I'm going to leave it. And

0:49:42.520 --> 0:49:46.560
<v Speaker 2>I think that was that was really like a quality

0:49:46.640 --> 0:49:50.280
<v Speaker 2>hunt with my daughter because we had a country with Steve,

0:49:50.360 --> 0:49:52.560
<v Speaker 2>but we didn't have to put the miles on. That

0:49:52.719 --> 0:49:56.200
<v Speaker 2>absolutely just crushed her soul. And we had, you know,

0:49:56.320 --> 0:50:00.319
<v Speaker 2>opportunities to get fairly close on these bucks. We went

0:50:00.360 --> 0:50:03.600
<v Speaker 2>in with rifles and and you know, it was just

0:50:03.680 --> 0:50:06.400
<v Speaker 2>a good opportunity for her to get behind the glass

0:50:06.440 --> 0:50:08.239
<v Speaker 2>and her to pick up these bucks on our own

0:50:09.040 --> 0:50:11.839
<v Speaker 2>and made good shots and and have just a heck

0:50:11.880 --> 0:50:14.239
<v Speaker 2>of an experience. And we got it all on that one.

0:50:14.360 --> 0:50:16.120
<v Speaker 1>So yeah, that's awesome.

0:50:16.200 --> 0:50:17.879
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, she really enjoyed it.

0:50:19.040 --> 0:50:21.719
<v Speaker 3>And then came home, reloaded.

0:50:21.320 --> 0:50:23.960
<v Speaker 2>Road went for moose and that was a trip with

0:50:25.000 --> 0:50:28.319
<v Speaker 2>Brady Miller, myself and Brian Call and we went up.

0:50:29.000 --> 0:50:32.320
<v Speaker 2>This was year two in a row, totally different location,

0:50:32.480 --> 0:50:35.840
<v Speaker 2>new area, and uh again we had a heck of

0:50:35.880 --> 0:50:40.640
<v Speaker 2>a trip. It was a lot tougher area than the

0:50:40.760 --> 0:50:43.400
<v Speaker 2>area we'd hunted in the past, much more open, but

0:50:44.120 --> 0:50:48.840
<v Speaker 2>this place was thick. We found some bulls, not many.

0:50:49.480 --> 0:50:52.040
<v Speaker 2>We ended up getting a great bowl. Brady took a

0:50:52.080 --> 0:50:55.080
<v Speaker 2>great bowl. It took us quite a bit of work

0:50:55.120 --> 0:50:58.319
<v Speaker 2>to get this bull out. It was miles in and

0:50:58.640 --> 0:51:00.520
<v Speaker 2>you know, I know, the smart thing to do is

0:51:00.600 --> 0:51:04.120
<v Speaker 2>not kill a bull moose too far from your pickup

0:51:04.320 --> 0:51:09.080
<v Speaker 2>or your boat or but we did and we were

0:51:09.120 --> 0:51:10.640
<v Speaker 2>just like, we're going to do whatever it takes to

0:51:10.640 --> 0:51:14.200
<v Speaker 2>get this bull out and we did. You know, we

0:51:14.320 --> 0:51:17.640
<v Speaker 2>got it out of there. We had some bear issues, unfortunately,

0:51:18.440 --> 0:51:22.560
<v Speaker 2>our first load out was taken from us. Went back

0:51:23.280 --> 0:51:26.319
<v Speaker 2>with load two and yeah, a bear got on and

0:51:26.600 --> 0:51:29.600
<v Speaker 2>took three of the bags and buried it. As we

0:51:29.640 --> 0:51:34.279
<v Speaker 2>got close back to the first drop, we kind of

0:51:34.320 --> 0:51:36.120
<v Speaker 2>hit a meadow that we had across through before we

0:51:36.440 --> 0:51:38.759
<v Speaker 2>got to where we dropped the meat, and yeah, we

0:51:38.760 --> 0:51:40.960
<v Speaker 2>had a bear that there was one piece of meat

0:51:41.040 --> 0:51:42.879
<v Speaker 2>just out in the middle, like out in the middle

0:51:42.920 --> 0:51:45.319
<v Speaker 2>of this meadow. That were like, how we didn't that

0:51:45.360 --> 0:51:47.080
<v Speaker 2>didn't fall out of our pack, Like how did that

0:51:47.120 --> 0:51:51.040
<v Speaker 2>get there? It started kind of looping around and looking.

0:51:51.160 --> 0:51:54.000
<v Speaker 2>I saw this area within the meadow that was just

0:51:54.040 --> 0:51:56.239
<v Speaker 2>all shredded and he had buried all that meat in there.

0:51:56.280 --> 0:52:00.360
<v Speaker 2>So we had to make a new pickup point for

0:52:00.440 --> 0:52:02.880
<v Speaker 2>the plane and all that. But it's quite an experience,

0:52:03.160 --> 0:52:05.240
<v Speaker 2>had a heck of a go I learned a lot,

0:52:05.440 --> 0:52:08.800
<v Speaker 2>you know, totally new country from where we'd hunted prior.

0:52:08.960 --> 0:52:14.080
<v Speaker 2>So already looking forward, to next year. Every year, I'm

0:52:14.080 --> 0:52:16.000
<v Speaker 2>trying to figure out the cheapest way to do these

0:52:16.080 --> 0:52:19.640
<v Speaker 2>mouse hunts and uh and that's been a challenge. They're

0:52:19.680 --> 0:52:22.200
<v Speaker 2>not you know there, they cost you a little bit,

0:52:22.239 --> 0:52:25.640
<v Speaker 2>but uh man, they are a lot of fun, a

0:52:25.640 --> 0:52:27.480
<v Speaker 2>lot of work. Though a lot of work. There's nothing

0:52:27.520 --> 0:52:30.399
<v Speaker 2>easy about a moose hunt. So I would I would

0:52:30.440 --> 0:52:33.960
<v Speaker 2>recommend it to anybody who you know, is getting up

0:52:34.000 --> 0:52:35.960
<v Speaker 2>there in years and thinks they're going to do it

0:52:36.000 --> 0:52:38.640
<v Speaker 2>when they get, you know, into their sixties, it probably

0:52:38.640 --> 0:52:41.719
<v Speaker 2>ain't gonna happen. Moving moose meat is not easy, So

0:52:42.320 --> 0:52:44.439
<v Speaker 2>I want to get it in while I can body

0:52:44.480 --> 0:52:46.840
<v Speaker 2>is still to do it.

0:52:47.280 --> 0:52:50.200
<v Speaker 1>And then you normal fall season rules around. You've got

0:52:50.239 --> 0:52:53.160
<v Speaker 1>your Montana, elk and deer tags right, yeah, yep, yep,

0:52:53.680 --> 0:52:57.200
<v Speaker 1>And so you come home, uh September and roll right

0:52:57.239 --> 0:52:57.840
<v Speaker 1>into your elk.

0:52:57.719 --> 0:52:59.800
<v Speaker 2>Hunt, right into the elk hunt. Yeah. I went and

0:52:59.840 --> 0:53:03.640
<v Speaker 2>did that. Had had a ton of phone, put a

0:53:03.680 --> 0:53:07.440
<v Speaker 2>lot of days into my archery elk season and found

0:53:07.480 --> 0:53:11.279
<v Speaker 2>a really quality bull that I wanted. And it was

0:53:11.360 --> 0:53:14.680
<v Speaker 2>sixteen days that I went after this thing and I

0:53:14.719 --> 0:53:18.440
<v Speaker 2>finally see the deal on this just absolute heavy horned

0:53:18.560 --> 0:53:23.520
<v Speaker 2>stud of an old bull that I wanted, and that

0:53:23.560 --> 0:53:25.400
<v Speaker 2>trick couldn't have gone any better I had it. It

0:53:25.480 --> 0:53:28.080
<v Speaker 2>was all to myself, Jason. There was no film crew,

0:53:28.520 --> 0:53:31.080
<v Speaker 2>There was no camera guys, you know, there was none

0:53:31.120 --> 0:53:33.000
<v Speaker 2>of that. There was no hunting partners. It was just

0:53:33.080 --> 0:53:36.920
<v Speaker 2>me and I really enjoyed that. It was a lot

0:53:36.960 --> 0:53:37.279
<v Speaker 2>of fun.

0:53:38.080 --> 0:53:43.840
<v Speaker 1>That's awesome in that sixteen days. So if I didn't know, you're, like,

0:53:43.880 --> 0:53:46.000
<v Speaker 1>what took so long? Or if people did it was

0:53:46.000 --> 0:53:48.279
<v Speaker 1>it was it a balance of like getting him in

0:53:48.280 --> 0:53:51.360
<v Speaker 1>the right spot or just failed attempts or just shadowing

0:53:51.440 --> 0:53:54.360
<v Speaker 1>not to screw it up, or was he moving major

0:53:54.400 --> 0:53:58.600
<v Speaker 1>distance between days? Like what happened within that sixteen days.

0:53:58.600 --> 0:54:00.520
<v Speaker 2>So within that sixteen days, Like I didn't find this

0:54:00.560 --> 0:54:03.360
<v Speaker 2>bull right away. Now, this was a bull that we

0:54:03.400 --> 0:54:06.640
<v Speaker 2>think we may have seen in the summer but in

0:54:06.680 --> 0:54:09.520
<v Speaker 2>some of our scouting, but we're not one hundred percent sure.

0:54:09.520 --> 0:54:14.239
<v Speaker 2>You never know. I think the front end of that,

0:54:14.360 --> 0:54:15.920
<v Speaker 2>I wanted to just see as many bulls as I

0:54:15.920 --> 0:54:20.200
<v Speaker 2>possibly could. So I was very non willing to commit

0:54:20.280 --> 0:54:22.440
<v Speaker 2>to a bull, you know. I wanted to put in

0:54:22.480 --> 0:54:26.560
<v Speaker 2>a week, a week's worth of glassing and just looking

0:54:26.600 --> 0:54:31.319
<v Speaker 2>around and scouting because I had the time, So I

0:54:31.360 --> 0:54:33.520
<v Speaker 2>didn't want I just didn't want to hunt to end

0:54:33.680 --> 0:54:37.399
<v Speaker 2>too early. And so a lot of that sixteen days

0:54:37.440 --> 0:54:39.080
<v Speaker 2>was just me trying to find the right bull, in

0:54:39.120 --> 0:54:41.560
<v Speaker 2>the right scenario, in the right situation. And you know,

0:54:41.640 --> 0:54:44.600
<v Speaker 2>this was a this was a battle of public and private.

0:54:44.800 --> 0:54:49.040
<v Speaker 2>You know, we were you'd see bulls out on private

0:54:49.120 --> 0:54:51.680
<v Speaker 2>like you always do, and and I usually don't hunt

0:54:51.760 --> 0:54:55.560
<v Speaker 2>too close to private, but this time I was, and

0:54:55.600 --> 0:54:58.600
<v Speaker 2>I wanted to. I wanted that challenge. And yeah, there

0:54:58.600 --> 0:55:01.279
<v Speaker 2>were some times when I finally found this bull, I

0:55:01.320 --> 0:55:04.640
<v Speaker 2>was about ten days in and and at that point,

0:55:04.960 --> 0:55:09.040
<v Speaker 2>this bull was literally traveling, traveling five miles from where

0:55:09.040 --> 0:55:11.680
<v Speaker 2>he would bed to where he would feed, and he

0:55:11.680 --> 0:55:15.000
<v Speaker 2>would run all night. And so there's this huge distance

0:55:15.080 --> 0:55:19.600
<v Speaker 2>between between that and you know, he would some days

0:55:19.640 --> 0:55:21.480
<v Speaker 2>he'd call a lot, some days he wouldn't call hardly

0:55:21.520 --> 0:55:24.840
<v Speaker 2>at all in his travel from uh feed area to

0:55:24.840 --> 0:55:27.920
<v Speaker 2>betting area. And there was a lot of different It

0:55:27.960 --> 0:55:30.920
<v Speaker 2>was a maze of koolies that he would travel. He

0:55:31.040 --> 0:55:35.319
<v Speaker 2>wasn't always doing the same one twice. I find it

0:55:35.360 --> 0:55:38.200
<v Speaker 2>funny when people say that Ali, He's going to go

0:55:38.280 --> 0:55:41.560
<v Speaker 2>through this one spot every single time. Man I've never

0:55:41.560 --> 0:55:44.800
<v Speaker 2>found that to be the case. I I they always

0:55:44.840 --> 0:55:47.000
<v Speaker 2>do something a little bit differently, especially when you're trying

0:55:47.000 --> 0:55:49.320
<v Speaker 2>to get him with a boat. So you know, sometimes

0:55:49.360 --> 0:55:51.400
<v Speaker 2>I just picked the wrong candy, you know, trying to

0:55:51.400 --> 0:55:53.600
<v Speaker 2>get in front of him. And I did not feel

0:55:53.600 --> 0:55:54.920
<v Speaker 2>like this was a bull that I was ever going

0:55:54.960 --> 0:55:57.800
<v Speaker 2>to be able to call in. It was fairly open country,

0:55:57.840 --> 0:56:00.480
<v Speaker 2>he had a lot of cows with him, and the

0:56:00.520 --> 0:56:02.560
<v Speaker 2>way he's cool, he's laid out. I had a really

0:56:02.560 --> 0:56:05.640
<v Speaker 2>good opportunity if I picked the right one that I

0:56:05.640 --> 0:56:08.600
<v Speaker 2>would get a nice close shot. So I played that

0:56:08.640 --> 0:56:10.759
<v Speaker 2>game over and over and over, and I screwed it

0:56:10.840 --> 0:56:13.359
<v Speaker 2>up more times than I succeeded. But in the end

0:56:14.160 --> 0:56:15.960
<v Speaker 2>I finally got it right. I picked the right one

0:56:16.920 --> 0:56:18.640
<v Speaker 2>and it was a day that he was just fired

0:56:18.719 --> 0:56:21.799
<v Speaker 2>up because there was another big old studhurd bull with

0:56:21.840 --> 0:56:24.040
<v Speaker 2>his cows not too far away. It just kept him

0:56:24.080 --> 0:56:27.520
<v Speaker 2>going the whole time. And I stealed the deal that day.

0:56:27.560 --> 0:56:31.640
<v Speaker 2>But yeah, just a great bull stud bowl. But I

0:56:31.680 --> 0:56:33.960
<v Speaker 2>really wasn't willing to settle at that point. Once I

0:56:34.000 --> 0:56:35.880
<v Speaker 2>found that bull man, it was it was like I

0:56:35.960 --> 0:56:38.360
<v Speaker 2>was going to do whatever it took to to go

0:56:38.440 --> 0:56:41.640
<v Speaker 2>after him so.

0:56:40.719 --> 0:56:42.759
<v Speaker 1>And that in that six days where you actually were

0:56:42.800 --> 0:56:45.880
<v Speaker 1>hunting him, Like, do you go at it aggressively or

0:56:45.880 --> 0:56:47.960
<v Speaker 1>are you playing the long play? Like my goals not

0:56:47.960 --> 0:56:49.680
<v Speaker 1>to let him see me, not to ever bump them,

0:56:49.680 --> 0:56:51.879
<v Speaker 1>not to let him smell me, Like you're staying. You're

0:56:51.920 --> 0:56:54.160
<v Speaker 1>making sure that you're not going to screw it up

0:56:54.160 --> 0:56:55.720
<v Speaker 1>for that time or in the future.

0:56:55.800 --> 0:57:02.040
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I think I play it extremely slow and extremely patient.

0:57:03.120 --> 0:57:05.160
<v Speaker 2>You know. I know there's times to be aggressive, but

0:57:06.760 --> 0:57:09.520
<v Speaker 2>I am very, very lucky. I know how lucky I

0:57:09.560 --> 0:57:12.160
<v Speaker 2>am to have the time to spend out there, and

0:57:12.200 --> 0:57:13.960
<v Speaker 2>the last thing I want to do is screw up

0:57:13.960 --> 0:57:17.040
<v Speaker 2>an opportunity on a big bull or buck, whatever it is.

0:57:17.080 --> 0:57:21.560
<v Speaker 2>So I play the slow game frustratingly probably to others,

0:57:21.600 --> 0:57:26.800
<v Speaker 2>But I am really, really, really conservative, especially on the

0:57:26.840 --> 0:57:30.160
<v Speaker 2>spot and stock stuff. You know, a little bit more

0:57:30.280 --> 0:57:32.760
<v Speaker 2>aggressive when it comes to calling, but when I'm just

0:57:32.800 --> 0:57:34.680
<v Speaker 2>doing the spot in stock thing, I really want to

0:57:34.720 --> 0:57:38.320
<v Speaker 2>make sure that I'm not blowing this bull out, really

0:57:38.320 --> 0:57:40.680
<v Speaker 2>focused on keeping the wind right. If it's fifty to fifty,

0:57:40.680 --> 0:57:43.040
<v Speaker 2>I'm not doing it, you know. And all that changes

0:57:43.080 --> 0:57:45.080
<v Speaker 2>if my time is more limited, you know, if I

0:57:45.080 --> 0:57:47.480
<v Speaker 2>only have a weekend. Man, I'm going to be the

0:57:47.480 --> 0:57:50.800
<v Speaker 2>most aggressive guy in the woods that day. But when

0:57:50.800 --> 0:57:55.400
<v Speaker 2>you have the time, and I did, Man, I was

0:57:55.440 --> 0:57:58.120
<v Speaker 2>taken all the precautions. So there was times where my

0:57:58.240 --> 0:57:59.800
<v Speaker 2>day would be over as soon as he got to

0:57:59.880 --> 0:58:01.840
<v Speaker 2>his betting area, because this is a bull that would

0:58:01.880 --> 0:58:04.440
<v Speaker 2>not make a peep. He wouldn't moan, he wouldn't do

0:58:04.720 --> 0:58:09.200
<v Speaker 2>anything once he hit that bed, just wouldn't say anything,

0:58:09.280 --> 0:58:12.160
<v Speaker 2>give me no opportunities to sneak into him. And he

0:58:12.240 --> 0:58:14.240
<v Speaker 2>had a huge group of cows, so there.

0:58:14.160 --> 0:58:16.960
<v Speaker 1>Was Yeah, that was a problem as well, and he

0:58:17.080 --> 0:58:19.560
<v Speaker 1>wouldn't come out of the betting area till late. Until

0:58:19.560 --> 0:58:21.720
<v Speaker 1>he was just late over the wind would be wrong.

0:58:21.600 --> 0:58:23.800
<v Speaker 2>And they were practically run. They'd get up about three

0:58:23.800 --> 0:58:26.360
<v Speaker 2>point thirty and they would basically, I mean they would

0:58:26.400 --> 0:58:29.680
<v Speaker 2>just fly to back to that feed zone and they

0:58:29.720 --> 0:58:32.280
<v Speaker 2>would go from public back onto private. Once they go

0:58:32.400 --> 0:58:36.040
<v Speaker 2>onto the private, it's game over. And the other direction

0:58:36.120 --> 0:58:37.480
<v Speaker 2>as well, I had to wait for them to get

0:58:37.520 --> 0:58:40.800
<v Speaker 2>onto the public. So it was Yeah, it was a

0:58:40.880 --> 0:58:41.680
<v Speaker 2>chess game for sure.

0:58:41.840 --> 0:58:44.000
<v Speaker 1>A lot of fun, gotcha. And and the other thing

0:58:44.000 --> 0:58:46.320
<v Speaker 1>that probably weighs in your decision is that you were

0:58:46.320 --> 0:58:48.320
<v Speaker 1>in a spot where there weren't people, right, if there

0:58:48.320 --> 0:58:50.000
<v Speaker 1>are other people around, you may had to be more

0:58:50.000 --> 0:58:53.120
<v Speaker 1>aggressive or tried to capitalize on their screw ups or

0:58:53.120 --> 0:58:56.040
<v Speaker 1>then messing things up. So that's another bonus. So being

0:58:56.160 --> 0:58:58.200
<v Speaker 1>able to go deeper, get into these areas it's not

0:58:58.240 --> 0:59:00.320
<v Speaker 1>comfortable to be in or survive in for for a

0:59:00.400 --> 0:59:00.880
<v Speaker 1>long time.

0:59:01.240 --> 0:59:03.640
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, that's a good at luxury good factor.

0:59:03.720 --> 0:59:06.680
<v Speaker 2>I mean the fact that if there were people there

0:59:06.840 --> 0:59:09.760
<v Speaker 2>and I felt like this bull is in jeopardy of

0:59:09.760 --> 0:59:13.000
<v Speaker 2>getting arrowed by somebody else, Yeah, your aggression is going

0:59:13.080 --> 0:59:16.280
<v Speaker 2>to go up one hundred percent. I would have I

0:59:16.280 --> 0:59:17.920
<v Speaker 2>would have went out it a lot differently, but I

0:59:17.960 --> 0:59:20.320
<v Speaker 2>had nobody in the area. There was nobody in there,

0:59:21.480 --> 0:59:24.120
<v Speaker 2>and it just felt like my best opportunity is to

0:59:24.120 --> 0:59:26.840
<v Speaker 2>play the slow game. So that's what I did on

0:59:26.880 --> 0:59:30.000
<v Speaker 2>that bowl and could have been very different. If there were,

0:59:30.440 --> 0:59:32.680
<v Speaker 2>you know, another group of guys chasing that same bowl.

0:59:32.720 --> 0:59:35.800
<v Speaker 2>I probably would have been a lot more aggressive, for sure.

0:59:36.040 --> 0:59:38.160
<v Speaker 2>But all those factors kind of weigh in on how

0:59:38.200 --> 0:59:41.640
<v Speaker 2>you approach each and every you know, mature bowl that

0:59:41.640 --> 0:59:44.040
<v Speaker 2>you're going for. It's it's always a little bit different.

0:59:44.400 --> 0:59:47.400
<v Speaker 2>But that's why I hunt nonethelested animals and these these

0:59:47.600 --> 0:59:50.800
<v Speaker 2>somewhat remote places. This one, this area was pretty remote,

0:59:52.800 --> 0:59:54.640
<v Speaker 2>but you know it was only it was only a

0:59:54.640 --> 0:59:57.680
<v Speaker 2>few miles in and and then it took me, you know,

0:59:57.760 --> 1:00:01.200
<v Speaker 2>seven eight miles in, but you know, it was it

1:00:01.240 --> 1:00:03.560
<v Speaker 2>was pretty remote. It just wasn't anybody there.

1:00:03.840 --> 1:00:07.960
<v Speaker 1>So gotcha, gotcha, And then you got to Yeah, I

1:00:08.000 --> 1:00:09.800
<v Speaker 1>don't know what you did early October, but then I

1:00:09.840 --> 1:00:12.080
<v Speaker 1>know you and Paley went back out for you guys's

1:00:12.160 --> 1:00:14.640
<v Speaker 1>Montana deer hunt. It was that. Was there anything in between?

1:00:14.680 --> 1:00:16.760
<v Speaker 1>There was it. We had a bit of a rest there.

1:00:16.880 --> 1:00:19.880
<v Speaker 2>She had drawn a buck analog tax, so we went out.

1:00:19.920 --> 1:00:21.960
<v Speaker 2>We had one day to do it. We went out there.

1:00:22.000 --> 1:00:25.480
<v Speaker 2>We had we had a busy schedule. So yeah, we

1:00:25.480 --> 1:00:27.880
<v Speaker 2>went out there for a day, not too far from

1:00:27.920 --> 1:00:31.000
<v Speaker 2>the house here, and and got her her first buck. Antelope.

1:00:31.000 --> 1:00:34.600
<v Speaker 2>That was a ton of fun. You know, antelope are

1:00:34.640 --> 1:00:36.560
<v Speaker 2>you are just different? You know, it's not like the

1:00:36.560 --> 1:00:39.400
<v Speaker 2>biggest challenge in the world. But when you're hunting with

1:00:39.440 --> 1:00:42.240
<v Speaker 2>your kid and you get to go through all the things,

1:00:42.240 --> 1:00:44.120
<v Speaker 2>you know, crawling in on a buck, trying to get

1:00:44.160 --> 1:00:46.919
<v Speaker 2>as tidy as you can, and just playing the patience, game,

1:00:47.000 --> 1:00:49.200
<v Speaker 2>playing the wind. All those things just ends up being

1:00:49.640 --> 1:00:51.280
<v Speaker 2>one of the funnest hunts of the year, even though

1:00:51.280 --> 1:00:53.680
<v Speaker 2>it just lasted the day, And so we got her

1:00:53.680 --> 1:00:56.720
<v Speaker 2>a really nice buck and you know, being last day

1:00:56.800 --> 1:01:00.560
<v Speaker 2>it was November, I want to say twelve. There's something

1:01:00.600 --> 1:01:03.600
<v Speaker 2>like that. You know, those sheets come off pretty easy

1:01:03.640 --> 1:01:06.720
<v Speaker 2>at that time of the year. And he was already

1:01:06.720 --> 1:01:09.720
<v Speaker 2>missing one of his sheets. Uh, and then pale when

1:01:09.760 --> 1:01:11.880
<v Speaker 2>we got up to it. She went to move it

1:01:12.240 --> 1:01:14.840
<v Speaker 2>and she grabbed that one sheath and she tried to

1:01:14.840 --> 1:01:17.400
<v Speaker 2>move a little bit and popped right off. And we

1:01:17.480 --> 1:01:19.800
<v Speaker 2>got to talk about that and when they lose those

1:01:19.840 --> 1:01:21.960
<v Speaker 2>things and how they regrow and all that kind of thing.

1:01:22.040 --> 1:01:26.040
<v Speaker 2>So fun experience. And then yeah, after that, we went

1:01:27.880 --> 1:01:31.880
<v Speaker 2>you know November we always hunt here in our home state,

1:01:32.840 --> 1:01:34.800
<v Speaker 2>and we had a great trip, you know, Me and Uh,

1:01:35.240 --> 1:01:38.040
<v Speaker 2>this was our maiden voyage with our new goats this year.

1:01:38.600 --> 1:01:40.760
<v Speaker 2>I'd been putting a lot of time in hiking them

1:01:40.760 --> 1:01:43.600
<v Speaker 2>out around the house here on trails and getting them

1:01:43.600 --> 1:01:46.720
<v Speaker 2>in shape, and this was a trip that we got

1:01:46.720 --> 1:01:49.600
<v Speaker 2>to take them out. It took all six and me,

1:01:49.760 --> 1:01:52.440
<v Speaker 2>Kim and Paley went out and had three deer tags,

1:01:52.480 --> 1:01:55.160
<v Speaker 2>filled them all. I had a ton of fun. My

1:01:55.280 --> 1:01:59.720
<v Speaker 2>daughter impressed me even more than she did the last time.

1:01:59.760 --> 1:02:01.600
<v Speaker 2>You know, she made a perfect shot on a buck

1:02:01.640 --> 1:02:06.600
<v Speaker 2>that she glassed up herself, and she actually passed on

1:02:06.640 --> 1:02:09.040
<v Speaker 2>it because it was the first day when she first

1:02:09.080 --> 1:02:12.680
<v Speaker 2>found it, which is pretty good. Kind of warms your heart,

1:02:12.760 --> 1:02:16.000
<v Speaker 2>you know, a fourteen year old she's passing on bucks,

1:02:16.000 --> 1:02:20.440
<v Speaker 2>pretty good bucks, just wanting to see what's over the

1:02:20.480 --> 1:02:23.240
<v Speaker 2>next bridge, you know. So we spent the whole next

1:02:23.320 --> 1:02:27.000
<v Speaker 2>day out there looking at quite a few bucks, probably

1:02:27.040 --> 1:02:30.760
<v Speaker 2>another dozen deer that day, and by the end of

1:02:30.760 --> 1:02:32.680
<v Speaker 2>the day she determined, you know what that buck that

1:02:32.720 --> 1:02:36.040
<v Speaker 2>I passed on was was one that she was pretty

1:02:36.040 --> 1:02:38.560
<v Speaker 2>excited about. So we went back and we relocated it,

1:02:40.000 --> 1:02:43.479
<v Speaker 2>had him bet it up, and I let her take

1:02:43.560 --> 1:02:48.200
<v Speaker 2>betted buck shots. Now she's such a good shooter that, yeah,

1:02:48.240 --> 1:02:51.800
<v Speaker 2>this thing never even never even got up again, two

1:02:51.840 --> 1:02:54.640
<v Speaker 2>in a row for her on betted bucks. But had

1:02:54.640 --> 1:02:56.360
<v Speaker 2>a heck of a time, and you know, we were again,

1:02:56.400 --> 1:02:59.480
<v Speaker 2>We're very lucky on the weather this year, Jason. I mean,

1:03:00.080 --> 1:03:03.400
<v Speaker 2>I don't remember a November in Montana where we were

1:03:03.440 --> 1:03:05.440
<v Speaker 2>dealing with weather in the upper forties and in the

1:03:05.480 --> 1:03:08.400
<v Speaker 2>fifties right now, we were still getting the ruddy bucks.

1:03:08.400 --> 1:03:13.280
<v Speaker 2>But man, you're expecting like wind. We had no wind ever,

1:03:14.120 --> 1:03:16.800
<v Speaker 2>and like we had one little snowstorm come through, but

1:03:16.840 --> 1:03:19.200
<v Speaker 2>for the most part, it was sunny. It was warm,

1:03:19.880 --> 1:03:23.480
<v Speaker 2>unseasonably warm for November, and it was almost too easy,

1:03:23.680 --> 1:03:25.480
<v Speaker 2>and we had a heck of a heck of a

1:03:25.520 --> 1:03:28.080
<v Speaker 2>fun time. But glassed up a ton of deer and

1:03:28.400 --> 1:03:30.000
<v Speaker 2>you know, just another hunt that I got to spend

1:03:30.000 --> 1:03:33.640
<v Speaker 2>time with Payley and just try to teach her everything

1:03:34.080 --> 1:03:36.880
<v Speaker 2>that I possibly can about glassing a deer, where to look,

1:03:37.400 --> 1:03:39.560
<v Speaker 2>what to do when we see him, like asking her

1:03:39.680 --> 1:03:42.480
<v Speaker 2>questions about how do you think we should approach this buck,

1:03:43.080 --> 1:03:45.280
<v Speaker 2>things like that, and it's just ends up being a

1:03:45.320 --> 1:03:46.240
<v Speaker 2>good learning experience.

1:03:46.520 --> 1:03:48.960
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Yeah, that's my That's one of my favorite things,

1:03:49.000 --> 1:03:51.560
<v Speaker 1>you know, taking my son hunted. You know, he's fourteen,

1:03:51.600 --> 1:03:54.440
<v Speaker 1>and you know, like asking him, like, there's a deer here,

1:03:54.480 --> 1:03:55.960
<v Speaker 1>we want to go shoot that one light and then

1:03:56.320 --> 1:03:58.200
<v Speaker 1>you might pick the wrong route or maybe pick the

1:03:58.280 --> 1:04:00.800
<v Speaker 1>right route. And then is just throughout the week he's

1:04:00.840 --> 1:04:02.480
<v Speaker 1>starting to pick like better outs. So I'm gonna go

1:04:02.480 --> 1:04:04.080
<v Speaker 1>there so he can't see me the whole way and

1:04:04.080 --> 1:04:05.160
<v Speaker 1>then I'm like, well, how do you know you're going

1:04:05.200 --> 1:04:06.520
<v Speaker 1>to be close enough? He's like, let me see your

1:04:06.600 --> 1:04:08.479
<v Speaker 1>range finder, you know, and so he can like shoot

1:04:08.520 --> 1:04:10.320
<v Speaker 1>the two spots. He's like, well, it's not a straight line,

1:04:10.320 --> 1:04:12.960
<v Speaker 1>but it should be about here, you know. Or he's like, well,

1:04:13.000 --> 1:04:14.480
<v Speaker 1>if I had on X, I'd be able to just

1:04:14.520 --> 1:04:16.440
<v Speaker 1>look how far that ridge is to where I think

1:04:16.440 --> 1:04:18.160
<v Speaker 1>he's at, you know, And so it's cool to like

1:04:18.240 --> 1:04:21.240
<v Speaker 1>see it start to click in his head versus just

1:04:21.320 --> 1:04:24.200
<v Speaker 1>doing what Dad says. He's like, all right, I'm going

1:04:24.280 --> 1:04:26.040
<v Speaker 1>to start figuring. I'm going to start giving you my

1:04:26.080 --> 1:04:28.520
<v Speaker 1>answers and then confirm it her or give me some

1:04:28.560 --> 1:04:32.600
<v Speaker 1>other advice. And for him, you know, same with my wife,

1:04:32.640 --> 1:04:34.160
<v Speaker 1>she shoots a lot of bedded bucks because for me,

1:04:34.160 --> 1:04:36.400
<v Speaker 1>it's absolutely easier if that thing's not moving to just

1:04:36.440 --> 1:04:39.320
<v Speaker 1>get the gun, you know, dialed in like you're you're

1:04:39.360 --> 1:04:42.000
<v Speaker 1>such a good shot. But that's one thing I found

1:04:42.040 --> 1:04:43.680
<v Speaker 1>with my son we need to work on. It is

1:04:43.720 --> 1:04:47.040
<v Speaker 1>like target acquisition, you know, where it's like us, we've

1:04:47.040 --> 1:04:48.840
<v Speaker 1>did it so many times, like it very quickly. If

1:04:48.880 --> 1:04:50.520
<v Speaker 1>a deer takes off one hundred yards, I'll have it

1:04:50.600 --> 1:04:52.440
<v Speaker 1>in the scope very quickly and at least have a

1:04:52.520 --> 1:04:55.440
<v Speaker 1>chance where we had a white tail zipping around like

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<v Speaker 1>Hunter couldn't get on it. It's like that's like that

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<v Speaker 1>was a weak link and the game where yeah, maybe

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<v Speaker 1>maybe we shouldn't be making it such a hurry, but

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<v Speaker 1>at times, if it's the right animal and that's your

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<v Speaker 1>only opportunity, you need to try to capitalize. But yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>that's target acquisition is our big down for right now.

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<v Speaker 1>You do everything else right right to that time, and

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<v Speaker 1>then you can't get the gun on them when they're

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<v Speaker 1>in there.

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<v Speaker 2>That's tough. Yeah, that's that's the same with Paley. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>target acquisition. You know, you know, you and I are

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<v Speaker 2>really good at I mean, you could have it at

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<v Speaker 2>ten power and get your rifle you know, immediately on

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<v Speaker 2>that that deer at whatever one hundred yards, two hundred yards.

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<v Speaker 2>But you know, Paley's really good about backing that thing

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<v Speaker 2>all the way back out to four and then finding

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<v Speaker 2>it and then just swilling it in and she's gotten

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<v Speaker 2>really good at that, so she's figured it out. But yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I love I love having that opportunity to just ask

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<v Speaker 2>her questions, like, so, what's your gut tell you we

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<v Speaker 2>should do right here, like where do you think that

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<v Speaker 2>buck went? You know, in these places that we've already

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<v Speaker 2>been to, and she's getting pretty good starting to figure

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<v Speaker 2>it out.

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<v Speaker 1>Awesome. Yeah, that kind of wraps up, wrap up your

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<v Speaker 1>season some of the the you know how to's or

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<v Speaker 1>what mattered on these specific hunts and what's next. So

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<v Speaker 1>I know we'll I probably won't get to see this

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<v Speaker 1>year at the Western Hunt because these show promoters decided

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<v Speaker 1>to put everything on the same exact week this year,

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<v Speaker 1>So I don't know if I do the short straw off.

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<v Speaker 1>It's just because I live Fortunately, that's really an unfortunately

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<v Speaker 1>on Western Washington. I'm gonna get stuck at the Portland show.

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<v Speaker 1>Derek's gonna be out there, but you'll probably be at

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<v Speaker 1>the at the Western Hunt. And then you've got some

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<v Speaker 1>pretty exciting stuff coming up on the Bear.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, we're doing a little bear instructional.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's kind of something different than than I never

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<v Speaker 2>wanted to do this. Let me put that out of

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<v Speaker 2>there right now.

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<v Speaker 3>This is not my thing.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't like it in front of people. I don't

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<v Speaker 2>like eyeballs on me. But somehow the fella's talking me

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<v Speaker 2>into this. So we're doing a little Western Bear Tour

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<v Speaker 2>involves three states, so we're doing one in Missoula, we're

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<v Speaker 2>doing one in Boise, and we're doing one down in

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<v Speaker 2>Salt Lake City. And these are all in the month

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<v Speaker 2>of March. They are two day events and we're gonna

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<v Speaker 2>have a lot of fun with it. This is kind

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<v Speaker 2>of a total immersion into bear hunting. You know, we're

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<v Speaker 2>gonna talk about everything, and you know, for for guys

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<v Speaker 2>interested in I don't need to go through all the

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<v Speaker 2>details of it, but you know, go to Tree Lane

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<v Speaker 2>Academy dot net and you can kind of see what

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<v Speaker 2>the Western Bear Tour encompasses. It's very detailed on everything

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<v Speaker 2>that we're going to talk about, you know, everything from

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<v Speaker 2>just having Q and a's to very very detailed discussions

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<v Speaker 2>on everything bear. And that's gonna involve me, Mark Livessey,

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<v Speaker 2>Brian Call, and Brad Hunt. And yeah, we're gonna have

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<v Speaker 2>fun with this. It's gonna be I mean, I'm gonna

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<v Speaker 2>be nervous as heck just getting in front of that

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<v Speaker 2>many folks talking about stuff, but I'm gonna do it.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm gonna, i guess, get out of my comfort zone

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<v Speaker 2>and do this thing.

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<v Speaker 1>So Yeah, that'll be fun and different. It seems like

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<v Speaker 1>bear hunting is a topic of a lot of it's

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<v Speaker 1>either picking up steam or and what I am going

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<v Speaker 1>to sign you guys up for, what you don't know

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<v Speaker 1>is I'm gonna sign you guys up to come talk

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<v Speaker 1>with the WDFW commissioners when you're done with your little

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<v Speaker 1>bear tour and you can like summarize what you found

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<v Speaker 1>about bear hunters and people wanting to get into it

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<v Speaker 1>for them.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, we should do that, right man, guys over in Washington.

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<v Speaker 2>But yeah, I think I think overall we're gonna have

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of fun with this. I think anybody who attends,

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<v Speaker 2>they're going to get a lot out of it. We're

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<v Speaker 2>gonna have a little movie night in there too. Brian's

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<v Speaker 2>put putting together some some films that'll be seen there.

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<v Speaker 2>And yeah, two day kind of all immersion into bear

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<v Speaker 2>be things.

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<v Speaker 1>So yeah, and a guy being lucky enough to attend

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<v Speaker 1>three of your hunt summits now I believe maybe two.

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<v Speaker 1>If it's anything like your guys's Western hunt summits, like

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<v Speaker 1>this thing, should you guys knock it out of the park,

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<v Speaker 1>it'll be well worth the time. So head over to

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<v Speaker 1>the what's the link again, Ryan, It's for people to

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<v Speaker 1>check out and find out some more information.

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<v Speaker 2>So if you go to Tree Lane Academy dot net,

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<v Speaker 2>there's a link there that takes it to the Western

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<v Speaker 2>Bear Tour page there and all the sign all the

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<v Speaker 2>information is there for it, and there's different passes that

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<v Speaker 2>you can kind of look at as far as what

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<v Speaker 2>you're looking for, but a lot of information.

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<v Speaker 1>Nice. Nice. I was lucky enough I was gonna guarantee

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<v Speaker 1>I was gonna do some idahospring bear hunting this year.

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<v Speaker 1>But I was lucky enough to draw one of the

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<v Speaker 1>state wide houndhunter permits, So I'm stoked to go over there.

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<v Speaker 1>I'll get to chase some cats really, and then I

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<v Speaker 1>might just end up running behind some you know, following

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<v Speaker 1>the dogs around on that bear season as well. While

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<v Speaker 1>I got my like one year past to hunt Idaho.

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<v Speaker 1>That's so cool animals behind a hound.

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<v Speaker 2>So I can't wait to hear about it.

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<v Speaker 3>And I'm excited, yea excited excited for that.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, we all know how much Ryan loves to talk

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<v Speaker 1>to people. So if you're at Western Hunt, you guys

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<v Speaker 1>can go find him, probably in the peak booth and

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<v Speaker 1>if you don't see him around there, you can probably

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<v Speaker 1>check one of the tants. He likes to hang out

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<v Speaker 1>there and get away from people in the in the

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<v Speaker 1>tents and then go out go check out his his

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<v Speaker 1>bear summit that they're going to do in those three locations.

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<v Speaker 1>And and if you want to learn more about deer Elk,

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<v Speaker 1>he's got the Western Hunt summits. I believe both deer

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<v Speaker 1>elk are mixed or archery. I don't remember how they're

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<v Speaker 1>all broken up now. Usually just go to the Elk one,

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<v Speaker 1>but yeah, there are lots of ways to get there Ryan,

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<v Speaker 1>And don't let him fool you. He he loves to

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<v Speaker 1>He loves to talk to you guys, just more on

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<v Speaker 1>a one on one, not so much in in a

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<v Speaker 1>group setting.

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<v Speaker 2>That's it. Yeah, I can handle it when it's just

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<v Speaker 2>like a one on one and we're talking. That's why

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<v Speaker 2>you know. I do these summits and and they're a

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<v Speaker 2>ton of fun. But I don't like differn presentations. I

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<v Speaker 2>do like having conversations in the backdrop though. Yeah. Western

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<v Speaker 2>Hunt Expo is is kind of next and uh, that's

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<v Speaker 2>the that's the show that we're going to be doing.

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<v Speaker 2>And we always have a ton of fun down there.

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<v Speaker 2>You my wife go down with the kids and we

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<v Speaker 2>will be hanging at the Peaks Booth this.

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<v Speaker 1>Year, so yep, yep, And unfortunately I will be in No.

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<v Speaker 1>I always have a great time at Portland as well.

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<v Speaker 1>It's just sometimes it kind of sucks. The Western Hunt's

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<v Speaker 1>such a good show. But but well, we'll have to

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<v Speaker 1>catch you on the next Western Hunt show. Hopefully the

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<v Speaker 1>promoters get their stuff together and not over schedule on

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<v Speaker 1>top of each other. But as always, Ryan really appreciate

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<v Speaker 1>having you on. Great, great answers on all those questions,

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<v Speaker 1>and then it's always nice to kind of relive your season,

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<v Speaker 1>so appreciate it and good luck on everything coming forward.

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<v Speaker 1>And twenty four.

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<v Speaker 2>Yep, thanks Jason, you as well.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah yeah bye here