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Speaker 1: Welcome back to another episode of Cutting the Distance Today.

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Speaker 1: I'm here with Ryan Lampers. He's back. I think he's

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Speaker 1: the first guest to be on three times, but I

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Speaker 1: always enjoy our conversations. And we're gonna go back. We're

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Speaker 1: gonna look at some q and a's from some of

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Speaker 1: you out there. We're gonna go back look at his

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Speaker 1: twenty three season kind of anything that it was different,

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Speaker 1: kind of what he had to do, or like any

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Speaker 1: little nuggets he can pull out of those hunts for us,

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Speaker 1: and then dive into what worked and what then, and

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Speaker 1: then also jump into some health and fitness topics and

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Speaker 1: then his recent wolfund that he was just on, and

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Speaker 1: then what he has coming up moving into next year.

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Speaker 1: It's always a pleasure to have you on the show.

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Speaker 2: Ryan, Welcome, Thank you, Jason much appreciate it. Excited to

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Speaker 2: be back. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we were trying to record this yesterday and you

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Speaker 1: were on a on a wolf hunt and kind of

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Speaker 1: pushed us back. So I'm glad to be able to

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Speaker 1: to have you jump on and get on the podcast today,

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Speaker 1: and we're gonna I'm gonna save some of my questions

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Speaker 1: for you on the wolf hunt as we get into

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Speaker 1: the podcast on some of your your food choices you

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Speaker 1: made on the wolf hunt kind of your strategy and

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Speaker 1: you know, to to kind of double up on you know,

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Speaker 1: is it winter range deer scouting and trying to get

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Speaker 1: a wolf hunt like kind of you know, making sure

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Speaker 1: each trip has multiple reasons and meanings. So we'll jump

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Speaker 1: into that in a little bit, But first we're gonna

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Speaker 1: jump right into listener Q and A. Once again, if

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Speaker 1: you have questions for me or my guests, please email

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Speaker 1: them to us at CTD at phelpsgame Calls dot com,

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Speaker 1: or social media messaging, emails, you know, any of that,

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Speaker 1: and we'll do our best to get them on here.

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Speaker 1: So the first question comes. It was pretty much the

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Speaker 1: same question from both Jonathan you'r st hopefully I didn't

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Speaker 1: butcher butcher his name too bad? And Lucas Johnson. What

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Speaker 1: does your off season look like as far as workouts,

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Speaker 1: your season prep, scouting, and nutrition.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I guess we're an off season, right, I don't.

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Speaker 2: I don't know that there's an off season.

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Speaker 1: There's not the Yeah, I was gonna say, our off

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Speaker 1: but now it seems like we've figured out a way

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean there's a few gaps, and we're in

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Speaker 2: the gap right now. I'd say, yeah, good question. I think, Uh,

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Speaker 2: I've got a home gym downstairs. I try to keep

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Speaker 2: You know, this time of year when I'm not hunting,

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Speaker 2: we've got a rower, all kinds of equipment that we

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Speaker 2: you know, that is and always will be I think

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Speaker 1: So there's like no secret. You're not like getting up

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Speaker 1: Yep, yep. The next question comes from my financial advisor,

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Speaker 1: So let me let me see if I can get

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Speaker 2: waking up and again cliche, but waking up and just

431
00:20:49,760 --> 00:20:51,840
Speaker 2: this is the day that it's going to happen. And

432
00:20:51,880 --> 00:20:54,760
Speaker 2: with that comes success for sure.

433
00:20:55,320 --> 00:20:58,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, and we take it to the point where it's

434
00:20:58,359 --> 00:21:01,359
Speaker 1: like overly positive, overly optimistic. You might not see a

435
00:21:01,400 --> 00:21:03,320
Speaker 1: deer in your area for the last seven days, but

436
00:21:03,359 --> 00:21:05,119
Speaker 1: you wake up tell your buddy like, hey, this is

437
00:21:05,119 --> 00:21:06,760
Speaker 1: a day we kill a big you know, we both

438
00:21:06,800 --> 00:21:08,760
Speaker 1: we double up or we kill big bucks. And it's like,

439
00:21:09,640 --> 00:21:11,160
Speaker 1: I won't to say it's a little fake, but you're

440
00:21:11,200 --> 00:21:13,119
Speaker 1: just like you're you're just reminding yourself like this is

441
00:21:13,119 --> 00:21:14,840
Speaker 1: a day we're going to get up, like you know,

442
00:21:14,880 --> 00:21:19,840
Speaker 1: maybe maybe pick everybody up and keep them going. And yeah,

443
00:21:19,680 --> 00:21:22,160
Speaker 1: the positive mental and we've we've talked about a ton

444
00:21:22,200 --> 00:21:24,960
Speaker 1: on here is having good hunting partners where if one

445
00:21:24,960 --> 00:21:26,640
Speaker 1: guy does get down, the other guy won't let him

446
00:21:26,640 --> 00:21:28,440
Speaker 1: get two down, and you're able to feed off of

447
00:21:28,480 --> 00:21:31,879
Speaker 1: each other. And and it's it's definitely worked in the

448
00:21:31,920 --> 00:21:34,040
Speaker 1: past to kind of keep somebody going or not want to.

449
00:21:34,400 --> 00:21:35,800
Speaker 1: And you know, the worst thing you'd want of somebody.

450
00:21:35,840 --> 00:21:37,520
Speaker 1: You're trying to talk somebody to quit and they say, oh,

451
00:21:37,560 --> 00:21:39,320
Speaker 1: let's go, like it's over. But if that guy is

452
00:21:39,560 --> 00:21:43,480
Speaker 1: you know, mentally strong at that time. It's It definitely helps.

453
00:21:43,880 --> 00:21:46,320
Speaker 2: People over the years. I'm sure you have as well

454
00:21:47,960 --> 00:21:52,040
Speaker 2: that are just negative people. Right. It may be fun

455
00:21:52,080 --> 00:21:54,560
Speaker 2: at times, but they're just negative people. That's the last

456
00:21:54,560 --> 00:21:58,119
Speaker 2: guy I want my hunting camp. I just I just

457
00:21:58,160 --> 00:22:01,040
Speaker 2: walk away from that. I'll always love you, know, I have.

458
00:22:01,359 --> 00:22:03,199
Speaker 2: I have a very small list of guys that I

459
00:22:03,280 --> 00:22:06,359
Speaker 2: hunt with today. I still love hunting by myself. I

460
00:22:06,400 --> 00:22:09,119
Speaker 2: really love enjoy hunting with my daughter, but I've got

461
00:22:09,119 --> 00:22:10,920
Speaker 2: a small group that I hunt with. And the guys

462
00:22:10,920 --> 00:22:14,280
Speaker 2: that I hunt with now, you know, some of their

463
00:22:14,840 --> 00:22:17,719
Speaker 2: skills are just that they never quit. They never give up.

464
00:22:17,760 --> 00:22:19,879
Speaker 2: They're not ones to say, I'm I just want to

465
00:22:19,880 --> 00:22:22,320
Speaker 2: give up and go back, let's just get out of here.

466
00:22:22,720 --> 00:22:24,520
Speaker 2: These these guys that I hunt with now, they don't

467
00:22:24,560 --> 00:22:27,800
Speaker 2: do that. They will go that extra mile and they

468
00:22:27,840 --> 00:22:31,439
Speaker 2: will go wherever it takes to make success happen. So

469
00:22:31,560 --> 00:22:35,120
Speaker 2: I think that's extremely important, and it's a hard thing

470
00:22:35,200 --> 00:22:38,119
Speaker 2: to kind of weed out those guys that could be

471
00:22:38,240 --> 00:22:43,800
Speaker 2: just too negative. But success is determined by having a

472
00:22:43,840 --> 00:22:46,680
Speaker 2: really good hunt partner sometimes for sure.

473
00:22:59,000 --> 00:23:02,639
Speaker 1: Next question comes from sentiment out of Tall Timber productions.

474
00:23:03,520 --> 00:23:06,399
Speaker 1: Have your tactics evolved or change over the last decade

475
00:23:06,480 --> 00:23:09,119
Speaker 1: or so, Archie L Hunting. Have you found yourself changing

476
00:23:09,160 --> 00:23:10,679
Speaker 1: the way you did it or is it still pretty

477
00:23:10,960 --> 00:23:12,359
Speaker 1: consistent how you started?

478
00:23:12,359 --> 00:23:14,119
Speaker 2: Do you really want me to talk about this Felks

479
00:23:14,280 --> 00:23:16,240
Speaker 2: Felks game calls you.

480
00:23:16,920 --> 00:23:18,880
Speaker 1: I know you're we're going to talk up a little

481
00:23:18,880 --> 00:23:21,280
Speaker 1: bit about Raken and a little bit more spot and stocking.

482
00:23:21,320 --> 00:23:22,600
Speaker 3: But let's yeah, let's hear it.

483
00:23:23,640 --> 00:23:25,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, it has changed. It has changed a lot, and

484
00:23:25,680 --> 00:23:29,080
Speaker 2: a lot of the change has come from where I

485
00:23:29,119 --> 00:23:31,520
Speaker 2: am now versus where I used to be. You know,

486
00:23:31,600 --> 00:23:33,639
Speaker 2: I came from your neck of the woods. You know,

487
00:23:33,680 --> 00:23:38,760
Speaker 2: we were Washington guys and uh thick country hunt rosies and

488
00:23:38,760 --> 00:23:42,399
Speaker 2: in timber and very much a calling game, you know,

489
00:23:42,640 --> 00:23:45,439
Speaker 2: very much a calling game. And so I was. I

490
00:23:45,600 --> 00:23:49,280
Speaker 2: was basically taught like the best way to get big

491
00:23:49,320 --> 00:23:52,200
Speaker 2: bulls in was to pick a fight, you know, leaving

492
00:23:52,240 --> 00:23:55,280
Speaker 2: the cow calls to the other guys and going in

493
00:23:55,359 --> 00:23:58,840
Speaker 2: with just these threatening bugles and picking fights with the

494
00:23:58,960 --> 00:24:01,320
Speaker 2: with the herb bal And I learned that in Washington.

495
00:24:01,359 --> 00:24:03,600
Speaker 2: I learned it in the north country of Idaho, where

496
00:24:03,640 --> 00:24:07,760
Speaker 2: it's just absolutely so thick that that's that's the best

497
00:24:07,800 --> 00:24:13,160
Speaker 2: method for getting these big bulls in. Now, since then,

498
00:24:13,520 --> 00:24:17,119
Speaker 2: I have changed, you know, I've moved over here to Montana,

499
00:24:17,280 --> 00:24:20,040
Speaker 2: and even when I was still a Washingtonian, I I

500
00:24:20,080 --> 00:24:22,159
Speaker 2: started hunting areas that were a little more open and

501
00:24:22,480 --> 00:24:24,560
Speaker 2: where I was able to glass more. And you know,

502
00:24:24,680 --> 00:24:28,160
Speaker 2: these days, I find myself seeking out those type places.

503
00:24:28,280 --> 00:24:30,760
Speaker 2: You know, I'm not hunting the thick, thick country as

504
00:24:30,840 --> 00:24:34,879
Speaker 2: much anymore. I'm looking for states. I'm looking for opportunity

505
00:24:34,920 --> 00:24:37,600
Speaker 2: hunts where I can go try to glass up more

506
00:24:37,640 --> 00:24:40,000
Speaker 2: bulls or even just you know, I can still be

507
00:24:40,040 --> 00:24:42,360
Speaker 2: out there, and I'm you know, I chuck a lot

508
00:24:42,400 --> 00:24:45,800
Speaker 2: of location bugles out just to get an idea where

509
00:24:45,840 --> 00:24:48,280
Speaker 2: the bulls are, find the herd, you know, find the

510
00:24:48,320 --> 00:24:50,760
Speaker 2: best bull and then I put a lot of work

511
00:24:50,800 --> 00:24:54,800
Speaker 2: into glassing and trying to figure out a strategy on

512
00:24:54,880 --> 00:24:59,240
Speaker 2: how I can either get in between, you know, or

513
00:24:59,320 --> 00:25:01,439
Speaker 2: just figure out a to get an arrow in that

514
00:25:01,480 --> 00:25:05,080
Speaker 2: bowl in more open country. So I really enjoy this

515
00:25:05,240 --> 00:25:08,800
Speaker 2: time where I'm chasing you know, her bulls in open country.

516
00:25:09,080 --> 00:25:13,200
Speaker 2: I'm not calling as much, not even close. I'm still

517
00:25:13,240 --> 00:25:15,440
Speaker 2: doing a lot of location googles just to find them

518
00:25:15,440 --> 00:25:18,560
Speaker 2: because they're always there's always pockets timber, and you know

519
00:25:18,640 --> 00:25:21,920
Speaker 2: they they love being in that timber. But I don't

520
00:25:21,960 --> 00:25:24,159
Speaker 2: try to work bullth in as much as I used to,

521
00:25:24,480 --> 00:25:27,720
Speaker 2: for sure, and I think that's been probably the biggest

522
00:25:27,800 --> 00:25:32,199
Speaker 2: change for me, especially with the bigger hurtles. But I

523
00:25:32,240 --> 00:25:35,120
Speaker 2: really do enjoy calling, calling elkin. It's a lot of fun.

524
00:25:36,160 --> 00:25:37,840
Speaker 2: But man, the spot and stole game for me right

525
00:25:37,880 --> 00:25:39,040
Speaker 2: now is kind of where I'm at.

526
00:25:40,200 --> 00:25:42,639
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, and I'm I'm in the same boat where

527
00:25:42,720 --> 00:25:46,840
Speaker 1: you know, growing up hunting almost exclusively Southwest Washington, we

528
00:25:46,960 --> 00:25:48,800
Speaker 1: called everything in and it seemed I don't want to

529
00:25:48,800 --> 00:25:51,040
Speaker 1: say easy, but it almost seemed easy. At times you'd

530
00:25:51,080 --> 00:25:53,000
Speaker 1: located and got in tight and you could eventually get

531
00:25:53,080 --> 00:25:58,520
Speaker 1: him to close the distance. As times went on, it

532
00:25:58,520 --> 00:26:00,880
Speaker 1: seems like you're trying to force us. We're pegging around

533
00:26:00,920 --> 00:26:03,359
Speaker 1: hole at times. Now we've still got them cranked up.

534
00:26:03,400 --> 00:26:05,679
Speaker 1: We've killed a lot of great bulls, but it's just

535
00:26:06,080 --> 00:26:09,320
Speaker 1: not even when we started hunting out of state, and

536
00:26:09,520 --> 00:26:11,679
Speaker 1: you know, over the West, it seemed easier just ten

537
00:26:11,760 --> 00:26:13,800
Speaker 1: years ago. And I don't know if it's if we're

538
00:26:13,840 --> 00:26:17,159
Speaker 1: to blame pressure the calling industry everybody out there calling,

539
00:26:17,320 --> 00:26:18,800
Speaker 1: you know, whether you got a tag or not, Like

540
00:26:18,880 --> 00:26:21,480
Speaker 1: I don't. I'll shoulder some of it. But the elk

541
00:26:21,680 --> 00:26:25,000
Speaker 1: aren't as callable as they used to be.

542
00:26:25,080 --> 00:26:27,280
Speaker 2: You've turned a lot of into pretty dang good callers.

543
00:26:27,320 --> 00:26:29,919
Speaker 2: There's a lot more better, like really good callers out

544
00:26:29,920 --> 00:26:33,120
Speaker 2: there in the woods these days. He'll fool yeah, for sure,

545
00:26:33,200 --> 00:26:34,160
Speaker 2: there's some really good deal.

546
00:26:35,280 --> 00:26:37,840
Speaker 1: Yeah. And as much as it hurts, we've turned into

547
00:26:37,840 --> 00:26:40,600
Speaker 1: a little bit more of a I ten years ago

548
00:26:40,600 --> 00:26:42,720
Speaker 1: out of never question should I bugle right now, or

549
00:26:42,720 --> 00:26:44,560
Speaker 1: should I col call or should I go silent? And

550
00:26:44,600 --> 00:26:46,640
Speaker 1: now that's like my common routine, Like do I really

551
00:26:46,720 --> 00:26:48,720
Speaker 1: want to be agle here? Because it hasn't worked the

552
00:26:48,800 --> 00:26:51,159
Speaker 1: last sure four or five times, and things are privy

553
00:26:51,200 --> 00:26:53,639
Speaker 1: to it and heading the other way. And you know,

554
00:26:53,760 --> 00:26:56,320
Speaker 1: like this year is the first year ever I located

555
00:26:56,320 --> 00:27:00,000
Speaker 1: a bowl, went completely silent and snuck into forty yards.

556
00:27:00,119 --> 00:27:01,800
Speaker 1: It's like, as much as it hurts me to say

557
00:27:02,320 --> 00:27:05,120
Speaker 1: I knew as a hunter, like I've got this skill set,

558
00:27:05,160 --> 00:27:06,959
Speaker 1: maybe not near as good as you were. Barn here

559
00:27:07,040 --> 00:27:08,880
Speaker 1: guys a spot in stock all the time, but it's

560
00:27:08,920 --> 00:27:10,960
Speaker 1: just it's an animal that I just can't let see

561
00:27:11,040 --> 00:27:13,280
Speaker 1: here or smell me right, Like, it's a very simple equation.

562
00:27:13,640 --> 00:27:15,600
Speaker 1: Don't let him see you here, You're smell you. You're gonna

563
00:27:15,600 --> 00:27:18,480
Speaker 1: be all right, and just put a you know, put

564
00:27:18,480 --> 00:27:21,359
Speaker 1: the sneak on him, put a you know, put his

565
00:27:21,520 --> 00:27:23,720
Speaker 1: head behind a log or a standing tree that was

566
00:27:23,760 --> 00:27:25,680
Speaker 1: big enough for me to hide behind and walk into

567
00:27:25,720 --> 00:27:29,400
Speaker 1: forty yards. And it is getting different. I would say,

568
00:27:29,400 --> 00:27:31,399
Speaker 1: I'm in the same boat as much. I still try

569
00:27:31,400 --> 00:27:33,440
Speaker 1: to at least force it early in a hunt, like

570
00:27:33,440 --> 00:27:34,600
Speaker 1: I'm going to call these things in.

571
00:27:35,640 --> 00:27:38,560
Speaker 2: But you know, like this, it's important to have all

572
00:27:38,640 --> 00:27:41,240
Speaker 2: the tools in your toolbox, right sure, I think you

573
00:27:41,280 --> 00:27:44,280
Speaker 2: know you want to be really competent in your in

574
00:27:44,320 --> 00:27:48,199
Speaker 2: your calling. You know, this year's bull just happened to

575
00:27:48,200 --> 00:27:50,280
Speaker 2: be a bull that it was in much more open

576
00:27:50,320 --> 00:27:53,280
Speaker 2: country still September. But you know I got in between

577
00:27:53,400 --> 00:27:54,920
Speaker 2: him and his betting area and I was able to

578
00:27:54,920 --> 00:27:57,600
Speaker 2: get an arrow in this bowl. Last year. You know,

579
00:27:57,760 --> 00:28:00,960
Speaker 2: I went in trying to be silent, silent. I just

580
00:28:01,119 --> 00:28:04,000
Speaker 2: wasn't able to get in to where this bull was betted.

581
00:28:05,000 --> 00:28:07,240
Speaker 2: And uh, and I called that bull in. You know,

582
00:28:07,600 --> 00:28:10,000
Speaker 2: I got in tight, just like the old days. That

583
00:28:10,080 --> 00:28:14,200
Speaker 2: worked so well, I got in tight, made just an

584
00:28:14,240 --> 00:28:19,959
Speaker 2: absolute uh you know, monster threatening mule at him, and

585
00:28:20,000 --> 00:28:22,280
Speaker 2: he came tearing in, ready to ready to kill me,

586
00:28:22,800 --> 00:28:25,080
Speaker 2: and that worked in that situation. So, you know, I

587
00:28:25,080 --> 00:28:27,480
Speaker 2: don't want to eliminate any of the strategies. I think.

588
00:28:27,600 --> 00:28:29,960
Speaker 2: I think having them all in your toolbox is really important.

589
00:28:30,000 --> 00:28:31,840
Speaker 2: And you know, there's going to be times in the

590
00:28:31,880 --> 00:28:34,800
Speaker 2: future where I calf call a bull in uh that's

591
00:28:34,840 --> 00:28:37,160
Speaker 2: what's going to work that day. And so I think

592
00:28:37,440 --> 00:28:40,640
Speaker 2: just you know, not putting anything aside. Everything's got to

593
00:28:40,680 --> 00:28:43,120
Speaker 2: be on the table. But I'm trying, definitely trying to

594
00:28:43,120 --> 00:28:45,000
Speaker 2: do less calling in a lot of the areas that

595
00:28:45,040 --> 00:28:45,600
Speaker 2: I'm on now.

596
00:28:46,720 --> 00:28:48,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I think being you know, being a skilled

597
00:28:48,600 --> 00:28:51,040
Speaker 1: hunter in that situation is recognizing like what you should

598
00:28:51,040 --> 00:28:53,080
Speaker 1: maybe do, like are they in a good stockable spot,

599
00:28:53,200 --> 00:28:55,480
Speaker 1: and recognizing that, like that's more important than being a

600
00:28:55,480 --> 00:28:58,680
Speaker 1: good caller having all these tools that you're not you're

601
00:28:58,720 --> 00:29:01,200
Speaker 1: not you know, leaning on your caring primarily, or you're

602
00:29:01,240 --> 00:29:03,000
Speaker 1: not just leaning on your spot in stock like at

603
00:29:03,000 --> 00:29:05,440
Speaker 1: any time if that situation, you know it dictates you

604
00:29:05,440 --> 00:29:08,800
Speaker 1: should be doing this or should try this, you know,

605
00:29:08,960 --> 00:29:11,200
Speaker 1: being able to do that or execute it. Well, yeah,

606
00:29:11,360 --> 00:29:13,200
Speaker 1: I agree, if you have all those tools and don't

607
00:29:13,200 --> 00:29:15,960
Speaker 1: limit yourself to one style of elkonny.

608
00:29:16,000 --> 00:29:18,160
Speaker 2: Absolutely, And you know, I look forward to one of

609
00:29:18,160 --> 00:29:19,880
Speaker 2: these years, I'm going to get back to the to

610
00:29:20,000 --> 00:29:22,760
Speaker 2: the old haunts that I used to hunt. And I

611
00:29:22,760 --> 00:29:25,720
Speaker 2: don't know about Washington, but Idaho, you know some of

612
00:29:25,760 --> 00:29:28,720
Speaker 2: the thick country, and and I guarantee there's going to

613
00:29:28,800 --> 00:29:30,320
Speaker 2: be times where I want to pick a fight, or

614
00:29:30,360 --> 00:29:33,440
Speaker 2: at least pick a fight with you know, a limb

615
00:29:33,520 --> 00:29:37,680
Speaker 2: and start raking. I really like rake and too. It

616
00:29:37,800 --> 00:29:40,280
Speaker 2: works so well for so many years back in the day.

617
00:29:42,240 --> 00:29:44,200
Speaker 2: I don't know if it works as well now in

618
00:29:44,240 --> 00:29:46,840
Speaker 2: those places in Washington we're raking in a bull. I

619
00:29:46,880 --> 00:29:49,920
Speaker 2: think a lot more guys are doing it, but you know,

620
00:29:50,000 --> 00:29:51,680
Speaker 2: they may be keyed into a little bit more than

621
00:29:51,680 --> 00:29:54,320
Speaker 2: they used to be. But yeah, all the tools, I

622
00:29:54,320 --> 00:29:57,600
Speaker 2: think they're important to have and and no one situation

623
00:29:57,760 --> 00:29:58,760
Speaker 2: is always going to be the same.

624
00:29:58,920 --> 00:30:03,360
Speaker 1: So, yeah, we had you on back on episode thirty

625
00:30:03,360 --> 00:30:05,400
Speaker 1: five what we did the spring Bear episode. So this

626
00:30:05,480 --> 00:30:07,960
Speaker 1: question may have the answer in there, I'm sure, but

627
00:30:08,000 --> 00:30:10,080
Speaker 1: maybe you can give like a real quick cliff note version.

628
00:30:10,560 --> 00:30:13,400
Speaker 1: How do you go about locating spring bears early in

629
00:30:13,440 --> 00:30:15,440
Speaker 1: the season. This comes from Parker Batista.

630
00:30:16,200 --> 00:30:19,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, early season. I love that very very front end

631
00:30:19,960 --> 00:30:23,240
Speaker 2: because it's just my opinion, but I feel like that

632
00:30:23,440 --> 00:30:26,600
Speaker 2: is your absolute best time to locate those older bores.

633
00:30:27,840 --> 00:30:29,880
Speaker 2: I don't know what the science shows, I don't know

634
00:30:30,320 --> 00:30:34,160
Speaker 2: what the professionals say, but it feels like and maybe

635
00:30:34,320 --> 00:30:36,800
Speaker 2: maybe you got some data this, Jason, but I am

636
00:30:36,840 --> 00:30:40,320
Speaker 2: fine in the biggest bores, Like the biggest ones on

637
00:30:40,360 --> 00:30:43,600
Speaker 2: the mountain are the first ones I see, and after that,

638
00:30:43,920 --> 00:30:46,840
Speaker 2: you know, come to mediums and then the thousand cubs

639
00:30:46,840 --> 00:30:49,200
Speaker 2: are kind of the last to show. Has that been

640
00:30:49,240 --> 00:30:51,000
Speaker 2: a case for you, because it sure has for me.

641
00:30:51,320 --> 00:30:53,480
Speaker 2: I always feel like that it's always going to be

642
00:30:53,880 --> 00:30:56,880
Speaker 2: one of the days in April where we just, you know,

643
00:30:56,920 --> 00:30:59,280
Speaker 2: we lay eyes on that first bear. He's usually a monster.

644
00:31:00,080 --> 00:31:02,600
Speaker 2: And you know where I like to focus my efforts

645
00:31:02,640 --> 00:31:05,240
Speaker 2: is in you know, big drainages with a lot of water.

646
00:31:06,840 --> 00:31:08,800
Speaker 2: I like to be there just ahead of green up

647
00:31:09,080 --> 00:31:12,880
Speaker 2: and those big bores. Man, I've found in the places

648
00:31:12,880 --> 00:31:16,280
Speaker 2: that I've hunted them, they just they really it almost

649
00:31:16,360 --> 00:31:18,280
Speaker 2: is like they're on that green line where the green

650
00:31:18,360 --> 00:31:21,040
Speaker 2: is just coming up. Sometimes even above it a little

651
00:31:21,040 --> 00:31:22,800
Speaker 2: bit like you don't even know what they're doing up

652
00:31:22,800 --> 00:31:26,880
Speaker 2: there eating, you know, avalanche lilies and things like that.

653
00:31:26,960 --> 00:31:29,480
Speaker 1: But yeah, I wish I had as much spring bear experience,

654
00:31:29,480 --> 00:31:31,960
Speaker 1: but I've hunted five times. It's all been in Washington,

655
00:31:32,040 --> 00:31:34,040
Speaker 1: down in the Blues, and we get to such a

656
00:31:34,120 --> 00:31:36,680
Speaker 1: late start May. Fifteenth year, I drew it was the

657
00:31:36,720 --> 00:31:39,200
Speaker 1: COVID year where they didn't even evidently they thought we

658
00:31:39,240 --> 00:31:42,120
Speaker 1: were gonna get COVID out in the woods, and then

659
00:31:42,120 --> 00:31:43,400
Speaker 1: we didn't want to give it to the bears, so

660
00:31:43,440 --> 00:31:46,640
Speaker 1: they made us start really late. And so all of

661
00:31:46,680 --> 00:31:49,280
Speaker 1: our experience has been more that mid May with still

662
00:31:49,400 --> 00:31:51,800
Speaker 1: kind of fighting that snow line, you know, pretty low

663
00:31:52,880 --> 00:31:55,640
Speaker 1: at least the one year we did have early, I

664
00:31:55,640 --> 00:31:57,720
Speaker 1: think those bigger bores we've seen them earlier in the trips,

665
00:31:57,720 --> 00:31:59,400
Speaker 1: and then as we went back trip after trip and

666
00:31:59,560 --> 00:32:01,959
Speaker 1: tried to make it happened, I think the bears were

667
00:32:01,960 --> 00:32:03,520
Speaker 1: getting smaller. So I would agree with that. I just

668
00:32:03,560 --> 00:32:06,000
Speaker 1: don't have as near as much experience, like into that

669
00:32:06,080 --> 00:32:09,479
Speaker 1: early April early May time frame where we're typically if

670
00:32:09,480 --> 00:32:11,640
Speaker 1: we're starting right off the bat, it's middle of the May,

671
00:32:11,760 --> 00:32:14,360
Speaker 1: and usually we elect to wait a little bit because

672
00:32:14,760 --> 00:32:16,960
Speaker 1: there is so much snow where the access is so hard.

673
00:32:17,240 --> 00:32:22,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, for sure. Yeah, I think you know where

674
00:32:22,480 --> 00:32:25,360
Speaker 2: I really like to focus my efforts for big bores

675
00:32:25,840 --> 00:32:30,960
Speaker 2: early season. I love that April timeframe, and I don't

676
00:32:30,960 --> 00:32:34,360
Speaker 2: want to be too late in the season, like May

677
00:32:34,440 --> 00:32:36,600
Speaker 2: is great too, and then into June. Some guys love

678
00:32:36,680 --> 00:32:38,440
Speaker 2: hunting the rut. I just like being on the front end,

679
00:32:38,640 --> 00:32:41,680
Speaker 2: you know, just best opportunity. You don't see as many bears.

680
00:32:42,200 --> 00:32:45,959
Speaker 2: But I really like that time where almost everything is brown,

681
00:32:46,040 --> 00:32:48,320
Speaker 2: it's just a little bit of green, just barely starting

682
00:32:48,360 --> 00:32:51,320
Speaker 2: to show up. I just that's that's the time frame

683
00:32:51,320 --> 00:32:52,640
Speaker 2: for me where I feel like I'm going to have

684
00:32:52,680 --> 00:32:55,600
Speaker 2: my best luck at the biggest bear on the mountain.

685
00:32:56,040 --> 00:33:01,760
Speaker 1: So, okay, gotcha. Last question. I'm not privy, do it.

686
00:33:01,800 --> 00:33:04,760
Speaker 1: Maybe you are tell us more about the trekking pole

687
00:33:04,800 --> 00:33:07,200
Speaker 1: glassing method. Maybe go Hunt had just talked about it.

688
00:33:07,560 --> 00:33:09,360
Speaker 1: I don't know if there's a specific method or something

689
00:33:09,360 --> 00:33:12,360
Speaker 1: different than than typical, but enlighten me.

690
00:33:12,440 --> 00:33:13,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know either.

691
00:33:13,320 --> 00:33:15,560
Speaker 1: That came from That came from Nate Stevens.

692
00:33:15,640 --> 00:33:18,640
Speaker 2: Okay, I don't know. I'm not sure what what they

693
00:33:18,680 --> 00:33:22,360
Speaker 2: talked about. Over at go hunt, Yeah, trek and pull

694
00:33:22,400 --> 00:33:25,240
Speaker 2: glassing thing. I'm assuming it's just running your nyls on

695
00:33:25,280 --> 00:33:27,280
Speaker 2: top of the trekker, right, I do.

696
00:33:27,280 --> 00:33:30,520
Speaker 1: It all the time, I would think, yeah, yeah, or

697
00:33:30,560 --> 00:33:32,640
Speaker 1: on top of your bowcam or whatever you've got, you

698
00:33:32,680 --> 00:33:33,640
Speaker 1: can lean into the ground.

699
00:33:33,680 --> 00:33:36,320
Speaker 2: It's a real quick way to just like get solid

700
00:33:36,360 --> 00:33:38,320
Speaker 2: real fast and not have to pull the tripod out

701
00:33:38,360 --> 00:33:40,560
Speaker 2: and get your binos on the tripod. So no, I

702
00:33:40,680 --> 00:33:44,720
Speaker 2: use it all the time. And uh no, I mean

703
00:33:45,080 --> 00:33:47,840
Speaker 2: it's almost just as good as a tripod in many cases.

704
00:33:48,040 --> 00:33:51,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, but does your do the peak design? Do the

705
00:33:51,280 --> 00:33:53,680
Speaker 1: sissy sticks have a thread in the top yet like

706
00:33:53,680 --> 00:33:56,560
Speaker 1: the old Eastern trekking poles did, where you can like

707
00:33:56,640 --> 00:33:59,000
Speaker 1: thread them on and use it. I don't know if

708
00:33:59,000 --> 00:34:01,600
Speaker 1: that's patented, but something you guys should look into for sure.

709
00:34:01,840 --> 00:34:04,080
Speaker 1: They had that like five eight stud that would like

710
00:34:04,080 --> 00:34:06,000
Speaker 1: you have a cap that would go over your trekking

711
00:34:06,040 --> 00:34:10,520
Speaker 1: poll and then you could just dread your your holder

712
00:34:10,560 --> 00:34:12,640
Speaker 1: on when you didn't want to use them, that cap

713
00:34:12,680 --> 00:34:15,080
Speaker 1: would come back down. Just throw that out for you guys.

714
00:34:15,080 --> 00:34:16,839
Speaker 1: I didn't know if you guys did, or I knew

715
00:34:16,880 --> 00:34:19,719
Speaker 1: an old set of Easton's I had did have those,

716
00:34:19,800 --> 00:34:22,400
Speaker 1: but it made it slick back when I had my

717
00:34:22,440 --> 00:34:24,160
Speaker 1: binos hooked up and you could just thread them on

718
00:34:24,200 --> 00:34:25,600
Speaker 1: real quick and then you don't have to worry about

719
00:34:25,600 --> 00:34:28,200
Speaker 1: like holding on or you know, you could if you're

720
00:34:28,200 --> 00:34:29,520
Speaker 1: going to set up for a little bit longer.

721
00:34:29,800 --> 00:34:30,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, there you go.

722
00:34:31,040 --> 00:34:33,360
Speaker 1: I'll pass that on. I don't know if you're going

723
00:34:33,400 --> 00:34:35,280
Speaker 1: to answer these questions or not. It was a pretty

724
00:34:35,320 --> 00:34:37,520
Speaker 1: popular question. But now that you're not in Washington, are

725
00:34:37,520 --> 00:34:39,880
Speaker 1: you willing to give up your meal deer and Roosevelt

726
00:34:39,880 --> 00:34:41,160
Speaker 1: elk hunting spots?

727
00:34:41,520 --> 00:34:44,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, surprising how many people have reached out with that one, Jason.

728
00:34:45,560 --> 00:34:47,760
Speaker 2: But it was more like right after I left Washington,

729
00:34:48,200 --> 00:34:50,000
Speaker 2: there was a lot of guys like really thinking that

730
00:34:50,040 --> 00:34:53,000
Speaker 2: I would just give them the spots. So you know,

731
00:34:53,840 --> 00:34:56,360
Speaker 2: my best hunting buddy who I've hunted with more than anybody,

732
00:34:56,400 --> 00:34:59,960
Speaker 2: and that's Joey Pyron, he's still over there in Washington.

733
00:35:01,600 --> 00:35:04,879
Speaker 2: He he knows all the spots. We used to hunt

734
00:35:04,880 --> 00:35:08,680
Speaker 2: these spots together and for years I I told him,

735
00:35:08,719 --> 00:35:11,120
Speaker 2: I was like, because he kind of he got into

736
00:35:11,120 --> 00:35:13,200
Speaker 2: this waterfowl thing. He does a lot of fishing. Now

737
00:35:13,200 --> 00:35:15,000
Speaker 2: he doesn't do the big game hunting that we used

738
00:35:15,000 --> 00:35:18,560
Speaker 2: to do. It's gonna hate me airing this out there

739
00:35:18,600 --> 00:35:21,759
Speaker 2: for him, but it's true. He needs to hunt big

740
00:35:21,800 --> 00:35:25,440
Speaker 2: game more. But I told him, like, look, there's a

741
00:35:25,440 --> 00:35:28,640
Speaker 2: little window here. You better keep getting after these spots.

742
00:35:28,680 --> 00:35:30,480
Speaker 2: You know, we have some really good old hunts that

743
00:35:30,520 --> 00:35:32,560
Speaker 2: we used to hunt. Otherwise I'm gonna have to give

744
00:35:32,640 --> 00:35:34,600
Speaker 2: him up. So he's got a little bit more time.

745
00:35:34,640 --> 00:35:36,759
Speaker 2: If he doesn't start taking advantage of his time over

746
00:35:36,800 --> 00:35:38,680
Speaker 2: there into these places where he used we used to

747
00:35:38,760 --> 00:35:41,640
Speaker 2: kill big bucks, I might start having to give these

748
00:35:41,680 --> 00:35:46,000
Speaker 2: spots up. But yeah, at this point, you know, I

749
00:35:46,719 --> 00:35:49,279
Speaker 2: have plans, like I really will. I will come back

750
00:35:49,320 --> 00:35:51,239
Speaker 2: to Washington one of these years. I want to just

751
00:35:51,280 --> 00:35:54,239
Speaker 2: come back and hunt some of the older you know,

752
00:35:54,360 --> 00:35:57,400
Speaker 2: in late October there like we used to. And I

753
00:35:57,480 --> 00:35:59,359
Speaker 2: really want to go back and see if anybody has

754
00:35:59,400 --> 00:36:01,440
Speaker 2: found these air there is you know it, really I'm

755
00:36:01,440 --> 00:36:04,640
Speaker 2: really curious about that. I've heard there's a lot more

756
00:36:04,719 --> 00:36:07,520
Speaker 2: hunters over there stomping around in the mountains these days

757
00:36:07,520 --> 00:36:10,080
Speaker 2: than there used to be. So yeah, you know, it

758
00:36:10,160 --> 00:36:13,080
Speaker 2: really intrigues me to see how things have changed and

759
00:36:13,160 --> 00:36:15,120
Speaker 2: if there are still some big old bucks and these

760
00:36:15,480 --> 00:36:19,640
Speaker 2: really secluded places, but no, selfishly, those those areas are

761
00:36:19,680 --> 00:36:23,600
Speaker 2: probably going to be just for us folks that have

762
00:36:23,640 --> 00:36:24,240
Speaker 2: been there before.

763
00:36:25,280 --> 00:36:27,839
Speaker 1: Yep, yep, I don't blame. And then somebody else wanted

764
00:36:27,840 --> 00:36:29,920
Speaker 1: to know about your hair held routine on ten day

765
00:36:29,960 --> 00:36:30,880
Speaker 1: backpack trips.

766
00:36:30,880 --> 00:36:33,520
Speaker 2: But if you've seen the videos, you know there is

767
00:36:33,560 --> 00:36:37,080
Speaker 2: no routine. It's it drives my wife crazy, Like the

768
00:36:37,160 --> 00:36:39,080
Speaker 2: dreadlocks I have to rip out at the end of

769
00:36:39,080 --> 00:36:42,640
Speaker 2: the trip, just drives you crazy. My daughter's trying to

770
00:36:42,640 --> 00:36:45,080
Speaker 2: get me to pack a hair brush. It's just it's

771
00:36:45,160 --> 00:36:49,080
Speaker 2: just nonsense. It embarrasses them, but it's kind of why

772
00:36:49,080 --> 00:36:55,400
Speaker 2: I do it. So no, no routine, no brushing.

773
00:36:53,520 --> 00:36:55,640
Speaker 1: And say, if your daughter starts, is your daughter starts

774
00:36:55,640 --> 00:36:57,279
Speaker 1: to backpack with you more and more, she'll have to

775
00:36:57,280 --> 00:36:59,280
Speaker 1: pack the brush and you can just take advantage of just.

776
00:36:59,120 --> 00:37:01,080
Speaker 2: Tried to get that brush in my hair. She definitely

777
00:37:01,120 --> 00:37:04,960
Speaker 2: packs her brush on the trips that we take, so yeah,

778
00:37:04,960 --> 00:37:06,240
Speaker 2: I just keep it out of my hair.

779
00:37:07,520 --> 00:37:10,040
Speaker 1: All right. Well, I appreciate answering all those questions. Ryan

780
00:37:11,200 --> 00:37:13,640
Speaker 1: a little longer version of our typical question and answer

781
00:37:13,680 --> 00:37:16,040
Speaker 1: for our guests, but we went out specifically looking for these.

782
00:37:16,320 --> 00:37:19,280
Speaker 1: Once again, you have questions for me or my guests,

783
00:37:19,640 --> 00:37:22,399
Speaker 1: please feel free to email them to us at CTD

784
00:37:23,000 --> 00:37:25,000
Speaker 1: at Phelps game Calls dot Com, or hit us up

785
00:37:25,000 --> 00:37:28,719
Speaker 1: on social media, send us a message and we'll we'll

786
00:37:28,719 --> 00:37:43,160
Speaker 1: do our best to get those thrown in. Stole a

787
00:37:43,160 --> 00:37:44,879
Speaker 1: little bit of my thunder there with some of their questions.

788
00:37:44,880 --> 00:37:46,400
Speaker 1: We're going to talk about health and fitness. You know,

789
00:37:46,480 --> 00:37:49,560
Speaker 1: your training, diet, but we really covered that, and so

790
00:37:49,800 --> 00:37:52,480
Speaker 1: we're just gonna kind of jump into kind of your

791
00:37:52,480 --> 00:37:55,640
Speaker 1: season recap twenty three. You know, I think we go

792
00:37:55,719 --> 00:37:58,040
Speaker 1: all the way back. We were both on Mexico kus

793
00:37:58,080 --> 00:38:01,359
Speaker 1: deer hunts. I don't think on the episode thirty five

794
00:38:01,400 --> 00:38:03,040
Speaker 1: on the Bear Hunt we even really got into that.

795
00:38:03,160 --> 00:38:05,760
Speaker 1: So have you start with like your CU's Whitetail trip,

796
00:38:06,000 --> 00:38:08,520
Speaker 1: your spring bear season, and then we kind of fast

797
00:38:08,520 --> 00:38:11,319
Speaker 1: forward to it our old season used to be our

798
00:38:11,360 --> 00:38:15,120
Speaker 1: fall seasons where you went Alaska, Moose, Alaska, Blacktail, Montana,

799
00:38:15,160 --> 00:38:16,840
Speaker 1: elk and deer, and just kind of give us a

800
00:38:16,920 --> 00:38:19,720
Speaker 1: rundown of those six hunts and if there was any

801
00:38:19,960 --> 00:38:22,359
Speaker 1: anything technical or tactical that you did specific to those

802
00:38:22,440 --> 00:38:26,399
Speaker 1: hunts or maybe change in you know, elk behavior or

803
00:38:26,440 --> 00:38:29,040
Speaker 1: deer behavior moose that kind of you had to adapt

804
00:38:29,120 --> 00:38:32,239
Speaker 1: to and change to it. That kind of maybe helped

805
00:38:32,239 --> 00:38:33,560
Speaker 1: you out on those hunts.

806
00:38:33,960 --> 00:38:36,000
Speaker 2: So we're going back to Mexico. Is that where we're

807
00:38:36,000 --> 00:38:36,399
Speaker 2: going to start.

808
00:38:36,560 --> 00:38:38,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, we'll start. Yeah, we'll start in Mexico. I

809
00:38:38,200 --> 00:38:40,440
Speaker 1: don't think we ever talked about that here on cutting

810
00:38:40,480 --> 00:38:41,320
Speaker 1: the distance. Yeah.

811
00:38:41,360 --> 00:38:44,399
Speaker 2: So, you know, it was my first year down there,

812
00:38:44,480 --> 00:38:49,319
Speaker 2: you know, acrossing the border. I've hunted queues on the

813
00:38:49,360 --> 00:38:52,320
Speaker 2: north side of it for a few years, handful of years,

814
00:38:52,680 --> 00:38:54,560
Speaker 2: and just had an absolute blast. This is the first

815
00:38:54,560 --> 00:38:58,080
Speaker 2: opportunity that I've ever had to get across the order

816
00:38:58,120 --> 00:39:00,840
Speaker 2: and go down and chase cues, and we had a blast.

817
00:39:00,960 --> 00:39:03,239
Speaker 2: You know, this was a place where, you know, I

818
00:39:03,239 --> 00:39:08,200
Speaker 2: didn't really know what to expect. There were four of us, myself, Brian,

819
00:39:08,400 --> 00:39:12,400
Speaker 2: Brad and Hunter went down and it just felt like

820
00:39:12,400 --> 00:39:14,440
Speaker 2: a wilderness where we were. It was so wild and

821
00:39:14,440 --> 00:39:18,560
Speaker 2: there's just nothing around, you know, getting way back into

822
00:39:18,560 --> 00:39:22,200
Speaker 2: this country, that felt like just nobody's looking at this

823
00:39:22,760 --> 00:39:25,239
Speaker 2: these places and not many people have seen it. And

824
00:39:25,320 --> 00:39:29,000
Speaker 2: so you know, came down to glass and honestly, and

825
00:39:29,080 --> 00:39:31,759
Speaker 2: for most cues deer hunters, I think they degree you know,

826
00:39:32,120 --> 00:39:35,560
Speaker 2: just spending time behind the glass can't be stated, you

827
00:39:35,600 --> 00:39:40,120
Speaker 2: know enough, because uh, really good glass. I always run

828
00:39:40,160 --> 00:39:43,160
Speaker 2: the higher power by knows when I'm down there, a

829
00:39:43,160 --> 00:39:45,719
Speaker 2: little bit more power spot or when I'm down there,

830
00:39:46,640 --> 00:39:49,480
Speaker 2: you've got to be so diligent with Cou's deer. You know,

831
00:39:49,600 --> 00:39:52,440
Speaker 2: every time I end a cues deer hunt, it's the

832
00:39:52,480 --> 00:39:57,200
Speaker 2: same thing. I walk away thinking, Man, it was all

833
00:39:57,320 --> 00:40:00,040
Speaker 2: about the time spent behind the glass, because those the

834
00:40:00,160 --> 00:40:02,319
Speaker 2: little buggers just disappear on you. I mean, you could

835
00:40:02,320 --> 00:40:05,440
Speaker 2: be literally staring at a at a great buck, take

836
00:40:05,480 --> 00:40:07,279
Speaker 2: your eyes out of the glass, go back, and he's

837
00:40:07,320 --> 00:40:09,719
Speaker 2: going forever and you just have no idea where he

838
00:40:09,840 --> 00:40:15,040
Speaker 2: vanished to. But I think being being very patient is

839
00:40:15,120 --> 00:40:18,680
Speaker 2: a big virtue in Inku's deer hunting. If you don't

840
00:40:18,719 --> 00:40:22,359
Speaker 2: have a lot of patients, might be a tough, tough

841
00:40:22,400 --> 00:40:25,000
Speaker 2: trip for you. So the particular trip that I went

842
00:40:25,080 --> 00:40:27,680
Speaker 2: down on this was not a high density area. I

843
00:40:27,719 --> 00:40:33,440
Speaker 2: saw very few deer, very few bucks overall, which was

844
00:40:33,480 --> 00:40:36,480
Speaker 2: a little bit shocking, but it was cool anyway. We

845
00:40:36,480 --> 00:40:39,320
Speaker 2: were still finding good mature bucks, just not many deer

846
00:40:40,160 --> 00:40:43,120
Speaker 2: in general. Now, I don't know if it was because

847
00:40:43,239 --> 00:40:45,520
Speaker 2: it was it was a very wet year last year.

848
00:40:45,560 --> 00:40:49,799
Speaker 2: There was water everywhere, and so you know, obviously kind

849
00:40:49,800 --> 00:40:51,359
Speaker 2: of makes sense that they'd be spread out a little

850
00:40:51,360 --> 00:40:53,960
Speaker 2: bit more. They're not so focused on these certain drainages.

851
00:40:55,160 --> 00:40:57,080
Speaker 2: I don't know, we'll see because we're going to the

852
00:40:57,120 --> 00:40:59,080
Speaker 2: same place this year and we're going to check it out.

853
00:40:59,520 --> 00:41:04,680
Speaker 2: But I think with Cou's deer, I always come away with, Uh,

854
00:41:04,760 --> 00:41:06,680
Speaker 2: it's all about the time spent behind the glass. And

855
00:41:06,719 --> 00:41:09,560
Speaker 2: if you're not a very diligent glasser, if you're not

856
00:41:09,719 --> 00:41:13,040
Speaker 2: willing to just keep those things you know, slammed onto

857
00:41:13,040 --> 00:41:15,879
Speaker 2: your head like just all day long, willing to do that,

858
00:41:16,320 --> 00:41:17,759
Speaker 2: you're probably not going to see the deer.

859
00:41:18,080 --> 00:41:19,160
Speaker 3: And uh yep.

860
00:41:19,640 --> 00:41:21,839
Speaker 2: You know, we've hunted with those guys that don't see

861
00:41:21,880 --> 00:41:24,000
Speaker 2: many and they just end up letting you do all

862
00:41:24,000 --> 00:41:25,480
Speaker 2: the work and find them.

863
00:41:25,560 --> 00:41:28,799
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, I'm I'm in the same boat like I've.

864
00:41:29,880 --> 00:41:32,400
Speaker 1: I feel like I'm three times as good a glasser

865
00:41:32,600 --> 00:41:34,120
Speaker 1: now that I've qu's deer hunted. When I come back

866
00:41:34,120 --> 00:41:35,680
Speaker 1: to meal, your hunt like this is easy now at

867
00:41:35,680 --> 00:41:38,879
Speaker 1: this point because of the strategies we put together down there.

868
00:41:38,960 --> 00:41:40,680
Speaker 1: You know, you're either always in your biyos and I

869
00:41:40,719 --> 00:41:42,920
Speaker 1: love setting up spots where if I climb up the mountain,

870
00:41:43,280 --> 00:41:46,000
Speaker 1: I've got some good shoot shooting lanes five hundred. But

871
00:41:46,080 --> 00:41:48,400
Speaker 1: then my glassing kind of goes across canyons, right, so

872
00:41:48,440 --> 00:41:51,239
Speaker 1: I'm able to have a hunt that morning or that night,

873
00:41:51,320 --> 00:41:53,879
Speaker 1: but then my glassing goes from a wolf or not here.

874
00:41:53,960 --> 00:41:57,279
Speaker 1: Now I'm glassing for the for a stalk, and I

875
00:41:57,360 --> 00:42:00,440
Speaker 1: usually go from tens. I didn't bring like twelves or

876
00:42:00,480 --> 00:42:03,240
Speaker 1: fifteens or eighteens. I went from tens right into my spotter.

877
00:42:03,640 --> 00:42:07,040
Speaker 1: And so my my glassing requires me to be in

878
00:42:07,040 --> 00:42:11,720
Speaker 1: that spotting scope all day and just sit and walk

879
00:42:11,800 --> 00:42:14,719
Speaker 1: and walk the spotter. And similar to what you said,

880
00:42:14,719 --> 00:42:17,040
Speaker 1: there were times where I would spot a deer try

881
00:42:17,080 --> 00:42:18,719
Speaker 1: to like get somebody on them. So I'm looking for

882
00:42:18,800 --> 00:42:21,000
Speaker 1: landmarks and trying, and then I would look back in there,

883
00:42:21,000 --> 00:42:24,040
Speaker 1: I'm like, damn it, it left, but it hadn't left.

884
00:42:24,120 --> 00:42:26,680
Speaker 1: I just couldn't respot the deer or was just stand

885
00:42:26,719 --> 00:42:29,520
Speaker 1: it like you just couldn't pick it up, or you know,

886
00:42:29,600 --> 00:42:31,759
Speaker 1: last year a buck was pushing a dough and so

887
00:42:31,760 --> 00:42:34,360
Speaker 1: then you're kind of really fastly tracking them around the

888
00:42:34,360 --> 00:42:40,640
Speaker 1: clear cut and you'd lose them at times. And or

889
00:42:40,840 --> 00:42:42,880
Speaker 1: what we found on that time was we've been glassing

890
00:42:42,880 --> 00:42:44,719
Speaker 1: this clearcut only seven hundre dards a way not too

891
00:42:44,800 --> 00:42:48,680
Speaker 1: extremely far with the spotting scope, and that buck went

892
00:42:48,719 --> 00:42:50,560
Speaker 1: and found all these five or six dos for us

893
00:42:50,560 --> 00:42:52,120
Speaker 1: on the hillside. We had never seen a deer on

894
00:42:52,440 --> 00:42:56,520
Speaker 1: and it was just it's it's glassing at a different level.

895
00:42:56,520 --> 00:42:59,400
Speaker 1: But I love it because I I it makes me

896
00:42:59,480 --> 00:43:02,280
Speaker 1: better glass. It lets me know that you're looking for ears,

897
00:43:02,280 --> 00:43:05,040
Speaker 1: you're looking for horns, you're looking for a leg kicked

898
00:43:05,080 --> 00:43:08,200
Speaker 1: out in a bed like it just it prepares you

899
00:43:08,200 --> 00:43:10,120
Speaker 1: for when I come home black till hunting or meal deer.

900
00:43:11,000 --> 00:43:12,319
Speaker 1: Like it's nothing for me to just sit in my

901
00:43:12,320 --> 00:43:14,520
Speaker 1: spotter for an hour compared to five hours at a

902
00:43:14,560 --> 00:43:17,560
Speaker 1: time down there. And yeah, it definitely makes you a better,

903
00:43:17,880 --> 00:43:18,480
Speaker 1: better glasser.

904
00:43:18,600 --> 00:43:21,600
Speaker 2: I mean, those little ghosts, they could just be standing

905
00:43:21,880 --> 00:43:24,200
Speaker 2: all over hillside and if you're not really tuned in,

906
00:43:24,640 --> 00:43:27,560
Speaker 2: you'll just run your bionos right over them. What I

907
00:43:27,680 --> 00:43:30,120
Speaker 2: what I find unique is you know, they're so similar

908
00:43:30,200 --> 00:43:33,399
Speaker 2: to a mal deer. I hate that they're white tailing,

909
00:43:33,560 --> 00:43:38,120
Speaker 2: just but they're so similar because you know how and

910
00:43:38,480 --> 00:43:40,560
Speaker 2: for whatever reason. Some some of the biggest bucks that

911
00:43:40,600 --> 00:43:43,440
Speaker 2: we've seen, they will statue for so long, Jason, Like,

912
00:43:43,760 --> 00:43:46,359
Speaker 2: you can watch a buck statue up for forty five

913
00:43:46,400 --> 00:43:49,279
Speaker 2: minutes and he doesn't move a muscle and he's just

914
00:43:49,960 --> 00:43:52,279
Speaker 2: he's just there. He's in the in the you know,

915
00:43:52,880 --> 00:43:55,439
Speaker 2: in the oak brush or whatever. And if you're looking

916
00:43:55,440 --> 00:43:58,400
Speaker 2: for movement or if you're looking for the backside of

917
00:43:58,400 --> 00:44:00,440
Speaker 2: the deer things that are obvious, you're going to go

918
00:44:00,560 --> 00:44:04,080
Speaker 2: right over that buck. So you really got to slow

919
00:44:04,120 --> 00:44:06,640
Speaker 2: it down, really got to pay attention to the details

920
00:44:06,640 --> 00:44:09,760
Speaker 2: with coos deer. And they're so tiny, yeah, so tiny.

921
00:44:10,160 --> 00:44:12,560
Speaker 1: Yep, Yeah, we see the same thing. Like even though

922
00:44:12,560 --> 00:44:13,640
Speaker 1: you're in the middle of the rut, like some of

923
00:44:13,640 --> 00:44:15,800
Speaker 1: those bigger bucks, they just yeah, they just sit and

924
00:44:15,840 --> 00:44:17,600
Speaker 1: I'm like, why aren't you chasing? Why aren't you moving?

925
00:44:17,640 --> 00:44:20,520
Speaker 1: But they'll sit there for for twenty twenty five minutes

926
00:44:20,560 --> 00:44:22,759
Speaker 1: and just look or you know, pay attention to what's

927
00:44:22,800 --> 00:44:23,760
Speaker 1: going on the hillside.

928
00:44:23,840 --> 00:44:26,000
Speaker 2: And yeah, and when they get in those okts, like

929
00:44:26,040 --> 00:44:28,319
Speaker 2: some of the biggest bucks we found have just been

930
00:44:28,760 --> 00:44:30,839
Speaker 2: in thek t is for whatever reason. They love it

931
00:44:31,440 --> 00:44:34,000
Speaker 2: and you're just looking for something a little bit unique

932
00:44:34,239 --> 00:44:37,680
Speaker 2: you know, you know those everything is up, you know, vertical,

933
00:44:37,719 --> 00:44:39,440
Speaker 2: and then you're just looking for an antler off to

934
00:44:39,520 --> 00:44:42,200
Speaker 2: the side and they will just statue in that stuff.

935
00:44:42,239 --> 00:44:45,160
Speaker 2: And like you said, the doz, I mean they just disappear,

936
00:44:45,360 --> 00:44:48,279
Speaker 2: they lay down and you're looking for years go and

937
00:44:48,360 --> 00:44:48,920
Speaker 2: that's about it.

938
00:44:49,040 --> 00:44:51,560
Speaker 1: Yep. Yeah, I'm excited. We're going to a new a

939
00:44:51,600 --> 00:44:54,080
Speaker 1: new ranch this year that not we have. We were

940
00:44:54,080 --> 00:44:55,759
Speaker 1: at a ranch that had maybe a higher density it

941
00:44:55,760 --> 00:44:58,160
Speaker 1: sounds like, but maybe not the up end of Bucks.

942
00:44:58,160 --> 00:44:59,879
Speaker 1: So we're gonna we're gonna mix it up this year,

943
00:45:00,120 --> 00:45:01,880
Speaker 1: go try a little different area and see if we

944
00:45:01,880 --> 00:45:05,360
Speaker 1: can't maybe find some bigger, bigger Bucks. And I'm excited.

945
00:45:05,400 --> 00:45:08,440
Speaker 1: It sounds like. The nice thing about Mexico is private

946
00:45:08,520 --> 00:45:12,200
Speaker 1: land public like compared to up here north of the border.

947
00:45:13,000 --> 00:45:14,840
Speaker 1: You know, there's always a chance somebody else's hunted it, right,

948
00:45:14,840 --> 00:45:16,319
Speaker 1: It's like if you have a general tag, you can

949
00:45:16,320 --> 00:45:19,080
Speaker 1: go hunt somebody's private or if it's public any like

950
00:45:19,360 --> 00:45:21,680
Speaker 1: Mexico's nice because if you don't have one of the

951
00:45:21,719 --> 00:45:24,279
Speaker 1: four tags, that's good for that ranch, Like nobody can

952
00:45:24,320 --> 00:45:25,799
Speaker 1: dare hunt that the rest of the year, like it's

953
00:45:25,960 --> 00:45:27,880
Speaker 1: left alone and we're going to spot. I don't think

954
00:45:27,880 --> 00:45:29,920
Speaker 1: it's been hunted for like six years anyways. And then

955
00:45:30,600 --> 00:45:32,239
Speaker 1: so we're gonna see. We'll see what it.

956
00:45:32,480 --> 00:45:35,360
Speaker 3: We'll see what it's.

957
00:45:35,520 --> 00:45:38,239
Speaker 2: It's Uh, it's kind of a slower hunt. It's a

958
00:45:38,280 --> 00:45:40,040
Speaker 2: great time to go down to, right, it's kind of

959
00:45:40,040 --> 00:45:42,760
Speaker 2: the off season. Yep, it's always a little bit warmer.

960
00:45:42,840 --> 00:45:44,920
Speaker 2: It's usually in the minus temps here in Montana at

961
00:45:44,920 --> 00:45:47,760
Speaker 2: that time. So just a fun time to get down there.

962
00:45:48,920 --> 00:45:51,759
Speaker 2: You know, I never, handfully, years ago, I never expected

963
00:45:51,800 --> 00:45:55,200
Speaker 2: that I'd ever even hunt Mexico. Always wanted to, always

964
00:45:55,200 --> 00:45:57,480
Speaker 2: thought about, you know, opportunity to go hunts an oora

965
00:45:57,560 --> 00:46:01,319
Speaker 2: or whatever. But last year was my first opportunity to

966
00:46:01,360 --> 00:46:04,640
Speaker 2: do it, and I'm I'm addicted. I absolutely love it. Yeah,

967
00:46:04,680 --> 00:46:05,279
Speaker 2: a lot of fun.

968
00:46:05,400 --> 00:46:08,799
Speaker 1: That's awesome. And so from Cou's Deer you rolled into

969
00:46:08,880 --> 00:46:13,240
Speaker 1: spring Bear, which coming into this year, real low snow

970
00:46:13,320 --> 00:46:16,239
Speaker 1: packed pretty deep. Howd that pan out for it? And

971
00:46:16,280 --> 00:46:17,359
Speaker 1: did it change a hunt at all?

972
00:46:17,560 --> 00:46:17,759
Speaker 2: Yeah?

973
00:46:17,800 --> 00:46:18,000
Speaker 1: It was.

974
00:46:18,120 --> 00:46:20,320
Speaker 2: It was a tough year, honestly. You know, the crew

975
00:46:20,360 --> 00:46:23,640
Speaker 2: had a real rough go. You know, on the front end,

976
00:46:25,000 --> 00:46:30,880
Speaker 2: you say the snow was wanky. We ended up we struggled.

977
00:46:31,040 --> 00:46:34,400
Speaker 2: Like the first bear I took, I think I was gosh,

978
00:46:34,440 --> 00:46:36,520
Speaker 2: I want to say, I was like sixteen days into

979
00:46:36,560 --> 00:46:38,439
Speaker 2: it before I took that first bear, and I took

980
00:46:38,480 --> 00:46:41,160
Speaker 2: a one of the best bears I've ever taken, just

981
00:46:41,200 --> 00:46:45,120
Speaker 2: an absolute stud. But I had to spend a lot

982
00:46:45,160 --> 00:46:47,960
Speaker 2: of time, and we had bears that would spot and

983
00:46:48,239 --> 00:46:50,680
Speaker 2: they just disappear on us, you know how it goes.

984
00:46:50,760 --> 00:46:54,920
Speaker 2: And they were moving off of those south facers so fast.

985
00:46:54,960 --> 00:46:57,600
Speaker 2: They just weren't putting in the time. They weren't giving

986
00:46:57,719 --> 00:47:00,480
Speaker 2: us time to get to them before they just move off.

987
00:47:00,520 --> 00:47:03,279
Speaker 2: They were traveling. It was kind of just a weird

988
00:47:03,360 --> 00:47:05,680
Speaker 2: year like that. I hadn't seen that for a while.

989
00:47:05,719 --> 00:47:08,480
Speaker 2: But in the end, Yeah, I took a couple of

990
00:47:08,480 --> 00:47:12,440
Speaker 2: good bears, had a good season overall. I ended up

991
00:47:12,480 --> 00:47:15,440
Speaker 2: with the wolf on the first trip and a cat

992
00:47:15,480 --> 00:47:18,239
Speaker 2: at the same time, So I think we talked about that.

993
00:47:18,320 --> 00:47:21,080
Speaker 2: But yeah, yeah, that was that was a heck of

994
00:47:21,120 --> 00:47:26,359
Speaker 2: a trip. It really it really like it forced us

995
00:47:26,400 --> 00:47:28,480
Speaker 2: to be diligent on that one because it was it

996
00:47:28,520 --> 00:47:31,680
Speaker 2: was a tough go. Yeah, we had to put in

997
00:47:31,719 --> 00:47:33,799
Speaker 2: a lot of effort, a lot of work to fill

998
00:47:33,840 --> 00:47:34,759
Speaker 2: those tags.

999
00:47:35,480 --> 00:47:41,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, so now you're you get to our fall seasons. Alaska.

1000
00:47:41,600 --> 00:47:43,480
Speaker 1: Moose was first on the on the dark Heads.

1001
00:47:43,560 --> 00:47:45,600
Speaker 2: Actually we went up and did a little black tail

1002
00:47:45,640 --> 00:47:49,320
Speaker 2: trip up in Alaska with my daughter before them. Yeah,

1003
00:47:49,360 --> 00:47:52,120
Speaker 2: so that was an August trip. So we went up

1004
00:47:52,160 --> 00:47:55,239
Speaker 2: there in August and uh, kind of a first for me,

1005
00:47:55,400 --> 00:47:59,600
Speaker 2: something I wanted to do, but went up there. Good crew,

1006
00:47:59,640 --> 00:48:03,480
Speaker 2: a guy, as you know, I met a couple we

1007
00:48:03,520 --> 00:48:06,600
Speaker 2: had met up in Fairbanks the prior year when we

1008
00:48:06,640 --> 00:48:11,400
Speaker 2: were at mooseh Dalton and his wife Tabitha, and we

1009
00:48:11,440 --> 00:48:15,600
Speaker 2: hooked up for a hunt and went out not really

1010
00:48:15,600 --> 00:48:19,120
Speaker 2: knowing what to expect, just kind of located a pothole

1011
00:48:19,800 --> 00:48:22,719
Speaker 2: and went after it. Landed on a pothole in some

1012
00:48:22,840 --> 00:48:26,799
Speaker 2: alpine country in southeast and and we had a heck

1013
00:48:26,840 --> 00:48:29,480
Speaker 2: of a trip. My daughter absolutely loved it. You know.

1014
00:48:29,520 --> 00:48:34,520
Speaker 2: I prepared her for the worst, you know, weatherwise, just

1015
00:48:34,560 --> 00:48:36,480
Speaker 2: made sure I let her know, like this could be

1016
00:48:36,520 --> 00:48:38,120
Speaker 2: a trip or we don't see the sun for a

1017
00:48:38,160 --> 00:48:40,320
Speaker 2: while and it's going to be slippery, it's going to

1018
00:48:40,360 --> 00:48:42,319
Speaker 2: be steep, you know, just just be ready for that.

1019
00:48:42,440 --> 00:48:45,200
Speaker 2: And Jason, we got there and we had five straight

1020
00:48:45,280 --> 00:48:48,440
Speaker 2: days of sunshine and beautiful weather. It was fairly warm,

1021
00:48:49,120 --> 00:48:51,480
Speaker 2: and we had deer on the mountain. They were shining

1022
00:48:51,560 --> 00:48:55,600
Speaker 2: like diamonds. They were red coated. She took She filled

1023
00:48:55,600 --> 00:48:58,239
Speaker 2: both her tags. I filled both mine. We all feel

1024
00:48:58,280 --> 00:49:01,320
Speaker 2: our tags that we had ended up with seven bucks

1025
00:49:01,600 --> 00:49:04,640
Speaker 2: and had one of the funnest trips you could possibly have.

1026
00:49:04,760 --> 00:49:09,600
Speaker 2: And my daughter just absolutely loved that trip. And you know,

1027
00:49:09,640 --> 00:49:11,440
Speaker 2: it's funny. I was talking to Delton the other day

1028
00:49:11,480 --> 00:49:13,240
Speaker 2: and he's like, Hey, you want to do that trip again?

1029
00:49:13,280 --> 00:49:16,000
Speaker 2: And I was like, no, I don't. I don't ever

1030
00:49:16,000 --> 00:49:18,200
Speaker 2: want to be that trip again because we're going to

1031
00:49:18,280 --> 00:49:19,920
Speaker 2: go back and it's going to be a letdown. We

1032
00:49:20,000 --> 00:49:23,800
Speaker 2: had the best we could possibly have on this trip,

1033
00:49:23,880 --> 00:49:26,160
Speaker 2: Like it could not have gone any better. We're going

1034
00:49:26,239 --> 00:49:27,879
Speaker 2: to go back and we're going to be a little

1035
00:49:27,920 --> 00:49:30,000
Speaker 2: bummed out because the weather's going to be sour and

1036
00:49:30,400 --> 00:49:32,160
Speaker 2: we're not going to see the quality bucks that we

1037
00:49:32,200 --> 00:49:34,600
Speaker 2: saw on that trip. So I was like, you know, Dulton,

1038
00:49:34,600 --> 00:49:36,959
Speaker 2: it's one of those hunts that it went so well,

1039
00:49:37,000 --> 00:49:39,880
Speaker 2: I just I'll go somewhere else. I'm just going to

1040
00:49:39,960 --> 00:49:42,279
Speaker 2: leave it. Yeah, yep, I'm going to leave it. And

1041
00:49:42,520 --> 00:49:46,560
Speaker 2: I think that was that was really like a quality

1042
00:49:46,640 --> 00:49:50,280
Speaker 2: hunt with my daughter because we had a country with Steve,

1043
00:49:50,360 --> 00:49:52,560
Speaker 2: but we didn't have to put the miles on. That

1044
00:49:52,719 --> 00:49:56,200
Speaker 2: absolutely just crushed her soul. And we had, you know,

1045
00:49:56,320 --> 00:50:00,319
Speaker 2: opportunities to get fairly close on these bucks. We went

1046
00:50:00,360 --> 00:50:03,600
Speaker 2: in with rifles and and you know, it was just

1047
00:50:03,680 --> 00:50:06,400
Speaker 2: a good opportunity for her to get behind the glass

1048
00:50:06,440 --> 00:50:08,239
Speaker 2: and her to pick up these bucks on our own

1049
00:50:09,040 --> 00:50:11,839
Speaker 2: and made good shots and and have just a heck

1050
00:50:11,880 --> 00:50:14,239
Speaker 2: of an experience. And we got it all on that one.

1051
00:50:14,360 --> 00:50:16,120
Speaker 1: So yeah, that's awesome.

1052
00:50:16,200 --> 00:50:17,879
Speaker 2: Yeah, she really enjoyed it.

1053
00:50:19,040 --> 00:50:21,719
Speaker 3: And then came home, reloaded.

1054
00:50:21,320 --> 00:50:23,960
Speaker 2: Road went for moose and that was a trip with

1055
00:50:25,000 --> 00:50:28,319
Speaker 2: Brady Miller, myself and Brian Call and we went up.

1056
00:50:29,000 --> 00:50:32,320
Speaker 2: This was year two in a row, totally different location,

1057
00:50:32,480 --> 00:50:35,840
Speaker 2: new area, and uh again we had a heck of

1058
00:50:35,880 --> 00:50:40,640
Speaker 2: a trip. It was a lot tougher area than the

1059
00:50:40,760 --> 00:50:43,400
Speaker 2: area we'd hunted in the past, much more open, but

1060
00:50:44,120 --> 00:50:48,840
Speaker 2: this place was thick. We found some bulls, not many.

1061
00:50:49,480 --> 00:50:52,040
Speaker 2: We ended up getting a great bowl. Brady took a

1062
00:50:52,080 --> 00:50:55,080
Speaker 2: great bowl. It took us quite a bit of work

1063
00:50:55,120 --> 00:50:58,319
Speaker 2: to get this bull out. It was miles in and

1064
00:50:58,640 --> 00:51:00,520
Speaker 2: you know, I know, the smart thing to do is

1065
00:51:00,600 --> 00:51:04,120
Speaker 2: not kill a bull moose too far from your pickup

1066
00:51:04,320 --> 00:51:09,080
Speaker 2: or your boat or but we did and we were

1067
00:51:09,120 --> 00:51:10,640
Speaker 2: just like, we're going to do whatever it takes to

1068
00:51:10,640 --> 00:51:14,200
Speaker 2: get this bull out and we did. You know, we

1069
00:51:14,320 --> 00:51:17,640
Speaker 2: got it out of there. We had some bear issues, unfortunately,

1070
00:51:18,440 --> 00:51:22,560
Speaker 2: our first load out was taken from us. Went back

1071
00:51:23,280 --> 00:51:26,319
Speaker 2: with load two and yeah, a bear got on and

1072
00:51:26,600 --> 00:51:29,600
Speaker 2: took three of the bags and buried it. As we

1073
00:51:29,640 --> 00:51:34,279
Speaker 2: got close back to the first drop, we kind of

1074
00:51:34,320 --> 00:51:36,120
Speaker 2: hit a meadow that we had across through before we

1075
00:51:36,440 --> 00:51:38,759
Speaker 2: got to where we dropped the meat, and yeah, we

1076
00:51:38,760 --> 00:51:40,960
Speaker 2: had a bear that there was one piece of meat

1077
00:51:41,040 --> 00:51:42,879
Speaker 2: just out in the middle, like out in the middle

1078
00:51:42,920 --> 00:51:45,319
Speaker 2: of this meadow. That were like, how we didn't that

1079
00:51:45,360 --> 00:51:47,080
Speaker 2: didn't fall out of our pack, Like how did that

1080
00:51:47,120 --> 00:51:51,040
Speaker 2: get there? It started kind of looping around and looking.

1081
00:51:51,160 --> 00:51:54,000
Speaker 2: I saw this area within the meadow that was just

1082
00:51:54,040 --> 00:51:56,239
Speaker 2: all shredded and he had buried all that meat in there.

1083
00:51:56,280 --> 00:52:00,360
Speaker 2: So we had to make a new pickup point for

1084
00:52:00,440 --> 00:52:02,880
Speaker 2: the plane and all that. But it's quite an experience,

1085
00:52:03,160 --> 00:52:05,240
Speaker 2: had a heck of a go I learned a lot,

1086
00:52:05,440 --> 00:52:08,800
Speaker 2: you know, totally new country from where we'd hunted prior.

1087
00:52:08,960 --> 00:52:14,080
Speaker 2: So already looking forward, to next year. Every year, I'm

1088
00:52:14,080 --> 00:52:16,000
Speaker 2: trying to figure out the cheapest way to do these

1089
00:52:16,080 --> 00:52:19,640
Speaker 2: mouse hunts and uh and that's been a challenge. They're

1090
00:52:19,680 --> 00:52:22,200
Speaker 2: not you know there, they cost you a little bit,

1091
00:52:22,239 --> 00:52:25,640
Speaker 2: but uh man, they are a lot of fun, a

1092
00:52:25,640 --> 00:52:27,480
Speaker 2: lot of work. Though a lot of work. There's nothing

1093
00:52:27,520 --> 00:52:30,399
Speaker 2: easy about a moose hunt. So I would I would

1094
00:52:30,440 --> 00:52:33,960
Speaker 2: recommend it to anybody who you know, is getting up

1095
00:52:34,000 --> 00:52:35,960
Speaker 2: there in years and thinks they're going to do it

1096
00:52:36,000 --> 00:52:38,640
Speaker 2: when they get, you know, into their sixties, it probably

1097
00:52:38,640 --> 00:52:41,719
Speaker 2: ain't gonna happen. Moving moose meat is not easy, So

1098
00:52:42,320 --> 00:52:44,439
Speaker 2: I want to get it in while I can body

1099
00:52:44,480 --> 00:52:46,840
Speaker 2: is still to do it.

1100
00:52:47,280 --> 00:52:50,200
Speaker 1: And then you normal fall season rules around. You've got

1101
00:52:50,239 --> 00:52:53,160
Speaker 1: your Montana, elk and deer tags right, yeah, yep, yep,

1102
00:52:53,680 --> 00:52:57,200
Speaker 1: And so you come home, uh September and roll right

1103
00:52:57,239 --> 00:52:57,840
Speaker 1: into your elk.

1104
00:52:57,719 --> 00:52:59,800
Speaker 2: Hunt, right into the elk hunt. Yeah. I went and

1105
00:52:59,840 --> 00:53:03,640
Speaker 2: did that. Had had a ton of phone, put a

1106
00:53:03,680 --> 00:53:07,440
Speaker 2: lot of days into my archery elk season and found

1107
00:53:07,480 --> 00:53:11,279
Speaker 2: a really quality bull that I wanted. And it was

1108
00:53:11,360 --> 00:53:14,680
Speaker 2: sixteen days that I went after this thing and I

1109
00:53:14,719 --> 00:53:18,440
Speaker 2: finally see the deal on this just absolute heavy horned

1110
00:53:18,560 --> 00:53:23,520
Speaker 2: stud of an old bull that I wanted, and that

1111
00:53:23,560 --> 00:53:25,400
Speaker 2: trick couldn't have gone any better I had it. It

1112
00:53:25,480 --> 00:53:28,080
Speaker 2: was all to myself, Jason. There was no film crew,

1113
00:53:28,520 --> 00:53:31,080
Speaker 2: There was no camera guys, you know, there was none

1114
00:53:31,120 --> 00:53:33,000
Speaker 2: of that. There was no hunting partners. It was just

1115
00:53:33,080 --> 00:53:36,920
Speaker 2: me and I really enjoyed that. It was a lot

1116
00:53:36,960 --> 00:53:37,279
Speaker 2: of fun.

1117
00:53:38,080 --> 00:53:43,840
Speaker 1: That's awesome in that sixteen days. So if I didn't know, you're, like,

1118
00:53:43,880 --> 00:53:46,000
Speaker 1: what took so long? Or if people did it was

1119
00:53:46,000 --> 00:53:48,279
Speaker 1: it was it a balance of like getting him in

1120
00:53:48,280 --> 00:53:51,360
Speaker 1: the right spot or just failed attempts or just shadowing

1121
00:53:51,440 --> 00:53:54,360
Speaker 1: not to screw it up, or was he moving major

1122
00:53:54,400 --> 00:53:58,600
Speaker 1: distance between days? Like what happened within that sixteen days.

1123
00:53:58,600 --> 00:54:00,520
Speaker 2: So within that sixteen days, Like I didn't find this

1124
00:54:00,560 --> 00:54:03,360
Speaker 2: bull right away. Now, this was a bull that we

1125
00:54:03,400 --> 00:54:06,640
Speaker 2: think we may have seen in the summer but in

1126
00:54:06,680 --> 00:54:09,520
Speaker 2: some of our scouting, but we're not one hundred percent sure.

1127
00:54:09,520 --> 00:54:14,239
Speaker 2: You never know. I think the front end of that,

1128
00:54:14,360 --> 00:54:15,920
Speaker 2: I wanted to just see as many bulls as I

1129
00:54:15,920 --> 00:54:20,200
Speaker 2: possibly could. So I was very non willing to commit

1130
00:54:20,280 --> 00:54:22,440
Speaker 2: to a bull, you know. I wanted to put in

1131
00:54:22,480 --> 00:54:26,560
Speaker 2: a week, a week's worth of glassing and just looking

1132
00:54:26,600 --> 00:54:31,319
Speaker 2: around and scouting because I had the time, So I

1133
00:54:31,360 --> 00:54:33,520
Speaker 2: didn't want I just didn't want to hunt to end

1134
00:54:33,680 --> 00:54:37,399
Speaker 2: too early. And so a lot of that sixteen days

1135
00:54:37,440 --> 00:54:39,080
Speaker 2: was just me trying to find the right bull, in

1136
00:54:39,120 --> 00:54:41,560
Speaker 2: the right scenario, in the right situation. And you know,

1137
00:54:41,640 --> 00:54:44,600
Speaker 2: this was a this was a battle of public and private.

1138
00:54:44,800 --> 00:54:49,040
Speaker 2: You know, we were you'd see bulls out on private

1139
00:54:49,120 --> 00:54:51,680
Speaker 2: like you always do, and and I usually don't hunt

1140
00:54:51,760 --> 00:54:55,560
Speaker 2: too close to private, but this time I was, and

1141
00:54:55,600 --> 00:54:58,600
Speaker 2: I wanted to. I wanted that challenge. And yeah, there

1142
00:54:58,600 --> 00:55:01,279
Speaker 2: were some times when I finally found this bull, I

1143
00:55:01,320 --> 00:55:04,640
Speaker 2: was about ten days in and and at that point,

1144
00:55:04,960 --> 00:55:09,040
Speaker 2: this bull was literally traveling, traveling five miles from where

1145
00:55:09,040 --> 00:55:11,680
Speaker 2: he would bed to where he would feed, and he

1146
00:55:11,680 --> 00:55:15,000
Speaker 2: would run all night. And so there's this huge distance

1147
00:55:15,080 --> 00:55:19,600
Speaker 2: between between that and you know, he would some days

1148
00:55:19,640 --> 00:55:21,480
Speaker 2: he'd call a lot, some days he wouldn't call hardly

1149
00:55:21,520 --> 00:55:24,840
Speaker 2: at all in his travel from uh feed area to

1150
00:55:24,840 --> 00:55:27,920
Speaker 2: betting area. And there was a lot of different It

1151
00:55:27,960 --> 00:55:30,920
Speaker 2: was a maze of koolies that he would travel. He

1152
00:55:31,040 --> 00:55:35,319
Speaker 2: wasn't always doing the same one twice. I find it

1153
00:55:35,360 --> 00:55:38,200
Speaker 2: funny when people say that Ali, He's going to go

1154
00:55:38,280 --> 00:55:41,560
Speaker 2: through this one spot every single time. Man I've never

1155
00:55:41,560 --> 00:55:44,800
Speaker 2: found that to be the case. I I they always

1156
00:55:44,840 --> 00:55:47,000
Speaker 2: do something a little bit differently, especially when you're trying

1157
00:55:47,000 --> 00:55:49,320
Speaker 2: to get him with a boat. So you know, sometimes

1158
00:55:49,360 --> 00:55:51,400
Speaker 2: I just picked the wrong candy, you know, trying to

1159
00:55:51,400 --> 00:55:53,600
Speaker 2: get in front of him. And I did not feel

1160
00:55:53,600 --> 00:55:54,920
Speaker 2: like this was a bull that I was ever going

1161
00:55:54,960 --> 00:55:57,800
Speaker 2: to be able to call in. It was fairly open country,

1162
00:55:57,840 --> 00:56:00,480
Speaker 2: he had a lot of cows with him, and the

1163
00:56:00,520 --> 00:56:02,560
Speaker 2: way he's cool, he's laid out. I had a really

1164
00:56:02,560 --> 00:56:05,640
Speaker 2: good opportunity if I picked the right one that I

1165
00:56:05,640 --> 00:56:08,600
Speaker 2: would get a nice close shot. So I played that

1166
00:56:08,640 --> 00:56:10,759
Speaker 2: game over and over and over, and I screwed it

1167
00:56:10,840 --> 00:56:13,359
Speaker 2: up more times than I succeeded. But in the end

1168
00:56:14,160 --> 00:56:15,960
Speaker 2: I finally got it right. I picked the right one

1169
00:56:16,920 --> 00:56:18,640
Speaker 2: and it was a day that he was just fired

1170
00:56:18,719 --> 00:56:21,799
Speaker 2: up because there was another big old studhurd bull with

1171
00:56:21,840 --> 00:56:24,040
Speaker 2: his cows not too far away. It just kept him

1172
00:56:24,080 --> 00:56:27,520
Speaker 2: going the whole time. And I stealed the deal that day.

1173
00:56:27,560 --> 00:56:31,640
Speaker 2: But yeah, just a great bull stud bowl. But I

1174
00:56:31,680 --> 00:56:33,960
Speaker 2: really wasn't willing to settle at that point. Once I

1175
00:56:34,000 --> 00:56:35,880
Speaker 2: found that bull man, it was it was like I

1176
00:56:35,960 --> 00:56:38,360
Speaker 2: was going to do whatever it took to to go

1177
00:56:38,440 --> 00:56:41,640
Speaker 2: after him so.

1178
00:56:40,719 --> 00:56:42,759
Speaker 1: And that in that six days where you actually were

1179
00:56:42,800 --> 00:56:45,880
Speaker 1: hunting him, Like, do you go at it aggressively or

1180
00:56:45,880 --> 00:56:47,960
Speaker 1: are you playing the long play? Like my goals not

1181
00:56:47,960 --> 00:56:49,680
Speaker 1: to let him see me, not to ever bump them,

1182
00:56:49,680 --> 00:56:51,879
Speaker 1: not to let him smell me, Like you're staying. You're

1183
00:56:51,920 --> 00:56:54,160
Speaker 1: making sure that you're not going to screw it up

1184
00:56:54,160 --> 00:56:55,720
Speaker 1: for that time or in the future.

1185
00:56:55,800 --> 00:57:02,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think I play it extremely slow and extremely patient.

1186
00:57:03,120 --> 00:57:05,160
Speaker 2: You know. I know there's times to be aggressive, but

1187
00:57:06,760 --> 00:57:09,520
Speaker 2: I am very, very lucky. I know how lucky I

1188
00:57:09,560 --> 00:57:12,160
Speaker 2: am to have the time to spend out there, and

1189
00:57:12,200 --> 00:57:13,960
Speaker 2: the last thing I want to do is screw up

1190
00:57:13,960 --> 00:57:17,040
Speaker 2: an opportunity on a big bull or buck, whatever it is.

1191
00:57:17,080 --> 00:57:21,560
Speaker 2: So I play the slow game frustratingly probably to others,

1192
00:57:21,600 --> 00:57:26,800
Speaker 2: But I am really, really, really conservative, especially on the

1193
00:57:26,840 --> 00:57:30,160
Speaker 2: spot and stock stuff. You know, a little bit more

1194
00:57:30,280 --> 00:57:32,760
Speaker 2: aggressive when it comes to calling, but when I'm just

1195
00:57:32,800 --> 00:57:34,680
Speaker 2: doing the spot in stock thing, I really want to

1196
00:57:34,720 --> 00:57:38,320
Speaker 2: make sure that I'm not blowing this bull out, really

1197
00:57:38,320 --> 00:57:40,680
Speaker 2: focused on keeping the wind right. If it's fifty to fifty,

1198
00:57:40,680 --> 00:57:43,040
Speaker 2: I'm not doing it, you know. And all that changes

1199
00:57:43,080 --> 00:57:45,080
Speaker 2: if my time is more limited, you know, if I

1200
00:57:45,080 --> 00:57:47,480
Speaker 2: only have a weekend. Man, I'm going to be the

1201
00:57:47,480 --> 00:57:50,800
Speaker 2: most aggressive guy in the woods that day. But when

1202
00:57:50,800 --> 00:57:55,400
Speaker 2: you have the time, and I did, Man, I was

1203
00:57:55,440 --> 00:57:58,120
Speaker 2: taken all the precautions. So there was times where my

1204
00:57:58,240 --> 00:57:59,800
Speaker 2: day would be over as soon as he got to

1205
00:57:59,880 --> 00:58:01,840
Speaker 2: his betting area, because this is a bull that would

1206
00:58:01,880 --> 00:58:04,440
Speaker 2: not make a peep. He wouldn't moan, he wouldn't do

1207
00:58:04,720 --> 00:58:09,200
Speaker 2: anything once he hit that bed, just wouldn't say anything,

1208
00:58:09,280 --> 00:58:12,160
Speaker 2: give me no opportunities to sneak into him. And he

1209
00:58:12,240 --> 00:58:14,240
Speaker 2: had a huge group of cows, so there.

1210
00:58:14,160 --> 00:58:16,960
Speaker 1: Was Yeah, that was a problem as well, and he

1211
00:58:17,080 --> 00:58:19,560
Speaker 1: wouldn't come out of the betting area till late. Until

1212
00:58:19,560 --> 00:58:21,720
Speaker 1: he was just late over the wind would be wrong.

1213
00:58:21,600 --> 00:58:23,800
Speaker 2: And they were practically run. They'd get up about three

1214
00:58:23,800 --> 00:58:26,360
Speaker 2: point thirty and they would basically, I mean they would

1215
00:58:26,400 --> 00:58:29,680
Speaker 2: just fly to back to that feed zone and they

1216
00:58:29,720 --> 00:58:32,280
Speaker 2: would go from public back onto private. Once they go

1217
00:58:32,400 --> 00:58:36,040
Speaker 2: onto the private, it's game over. And the other direction

1218
00:58:36,120 --> 00:58:37,480
Speaker 2: as well, I had to wait for them to get

1219
00:58:37,520 --> 00:58:40,800
Speaker 2: onto the public. So it was Yeah, it was a

1220
00:58:40,880 --> 00:58:41,680
Speaker 2: chess game for sure.

1221
00:58:41,840 --> 00:58:44,000
Speaker 1: A lot of fun, gotcha. And and the other thing

1222
00:58:44,000 --> 00:58:46,320
Speaker 1: that probably weighs in your decision is that you were

1223
00:58:46,320 --> 00:58:48,320
Speaker 1: in a spot where there weren't people, right, if there

1224
00:58:48,320 --> 00:58:50,000
Speaker 1: are other people around, you may had to be more

1225
00:58:50,000 --> 00:58:53,120
Speaker 1: aggressive or tried to capitalize on their screw ups or

1226
00:58:53,120 --> 00:58:56,040
Speaker 1: then messing things up. So that's another bonus. So being

1227
00:58:56,160 --> 00:58:58,200
Speaker 1: able to go deeper, get into these areas it's not

1228
00:58:58,240 --> 00:59:00,320
Speaker 1: comfortable to be in or survive in for for a

1229
00:59:00,400 --> 00:59:00,880
Speaker 1: long time.

1230
00:59:01,240 --> 00:59:03,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a good at luxury good factor.

1231
00:59:03,720 --> 00:59:06,680
Speaker 2: I mean the fact that if there were people there

1232
00:59:06,840 --> 00:59:09,760
Speaker 2: and I felt like this bull is in jeopardy of

1233
00:59:09,760 --> 00:59:13,000
Speaker 2: getting arrowed by somebody else, Yeah, your aggression is going

1234
00:59:13,080 --> 00:59:16,280
Speaker 2: to go up one hundred percent. I would have I

1235
00:59:16,280 --> 00:59:17,920
Speaker 2: would have went out it a lot differently, but I

1236
00:59:17,960 --> 00:59:20,320
Speaker 2: had nobody in the area. There was nobody in there,

1237
00:59:21,480 --> 00:59:24,120
Speaker 2: and it just felt like my best opportunity is to

1238
00:59:24,120 --> 00:59:26,840
Speaker 2: play the slow game. So that's what I did on

1239
00:59:26,880 --> 00:59:30,000
Speaker 2: that bowl and could have been very different. If there were,

1240
00:59:30,440 --> 00:59:32,680
Speaker 2: you know, another group of guys chasing that same bowl.

1241
00:59:32,720 --> 00:59:35,800
Speaker 2: I probably would have been a lot more aggressive, for sure.

1242
00:59:36,040 --> 00:59:38,160
Speaker 2: But all those factors kind of weigh in on how

1243
00:59:38,200 --> 00:59:41,640
Speaker 2: you approach each and every you know, mature bowl that

1244
00:59:41,640 --> 00:59:44,040
Speaker 2: you're going for. It's it's always a little bit different.

1245
00:59:44,400 --> 00:59:47,400
Speaker 2: But that's why I hunt nonethelested animals and these these

1246
00:59:47,600 --> 00:59:50,800
Speaker 2: somewhat remote places. This one, this area was pretty remote,

1247
00:59:52,800 --> 00:59:54,640
Speaker 2: but you know it was only it was only a

1248
00:59:54,640 --> 00:59:57,680
Speaker 2: few miles in and and then it took me, you know,

1249
00:59:57,760 --> 01:00:01,200
Speaker 2: seven eight miles in, but you know, it was it

1250
01:00:01,240 --> 01:00:03,560
Speaker 2: was pretty remote. It just wasn't anybody there.

1251
01:00:03,840 --> 01:00:07,960
Speaker 1: So gotcha, gotcha, And then you got to Yeah, I

1252
01:00:08,000 --> 01:00:09,800
Speaker 1: don't know what you did early October, but then I

1253
01:00:09,840 --> 01:00:12,080
Speaker 1: know you and Paley went back out for you guys's

1254
01:00:12,160 --> 01:00:14,640
Speaker 1: Montana deer hunt. It was that. Was there anything in between?

1255
01:00:14,680 --> 01:00:16,760
Speaker 1: There was it. We had a bit of a rest there.

1256
01:00:16,880 --> 01:00:19,880
Speaker 2: She had drawn a buck analog tax, so we went out.

1257
01:00:19,920 --> 01:00:21,960
Speaker 2: We had one day to do it. We went out there.

1258
01:00:22,000 --> 01:00:25,480
Speaker 2: We had we had a busy schedule. So yeah, we

1259
01:00:25,480 --> 01:00:27,880
Speaker 2: went out there for a day, not too far from

1260
01:00:27,920 --> 01:00:31,000
Speaker 2: the house here, and and got her her first buck. Antelope.

1261
01:00:31,000 --> 01:00:34,600
Speaker 2: That was a ton of fun. You know, antelope are

1262
01:00:34,640 --> 01:00:36,560
Speaker 2: you are just different? You know, it's not like the

1263
01:00:36,560 --> 01:00:39,400
Speaker 2: biggest challenge in the world. But when you're hunting with

1264
01:00:39,440 --> 01:00:42,240
Speaker 2: your kid and you get to go through all the things,

1265
01:00:42,240 --> 01:00:44,120
Speaker 2: you know, crawling in on a buck, trying to get

1266
01:00:44,160 --> 01:00:46,919
Speaker 2: as tidy as you can, and just playing the patience, game,

1267
01:00:47,000 --> 01:00:49,200
Speaker 2: playing the wind. All those things just ends up being

1268
01:00:49,640 --> 01:00:51,280
Speaker 2: one of the funnest hunts of the year, even though

1269
01:00:51,280 --> 01:00:53,680
Speaker 2: it just lasted the day, And so we got her

1270
01:00:53,680 --> 01:00:56,720
Speaker 2: a really nice buck and you know, being last day

1271
01:00:56,800 --> 01:01:00,560
Speaker 2: it was November, I want to say twelve. There's something

1272
01:01:00,600 --> 01:01:03,600
Speaker 2: like that. You know, those sheets come off pretty easy

1273
01:01:03,640 --> 01:01:06,720
Speaker 2: at that time of the year. And he was already

1274
01:01:06,720 --> 01:01:09,720
Speaker 2: missing one of his sheets. Uh, and then pale when

1275
01:01:09,760 --> 01:01:11,880
Speaker 2: we got up to it. She went to move it

1276
01:01:12,240 --> 01:01:14,840
Speaker 2: and she grabbed that one sheath and she tried to

1277
01:01:14,840 --> 01:01:17,400
Speaker 2: move a little bit and popped right off. And we

1278
01:01:17,480 --> 01:01:19,800
Speaker 2: got to talk about that and when they lose those

1279
01:01:19,840 --> 01:01:21,960
Speaker 2: things and how they regrow and all that kind of thing.

1280
01:01:22,040 --> 01:01:26,040
Speaker 2: So fun experience. And then yeah, after that, we went

1281
01:01:27,880 --> 01:01:31,880
Speaker 2: you know November we always hunt here in our home state,

1282
01:01:32,840 --> 01:01:34,800
Speaker 2: and we had a great trip, you know, Me and Uh,

1283
01:01:35,240 --> 01:01:38,040
Speaker 2: this was our maiden voyage with our new goats this year.

1284
01:01:38,600 --> 01:01:40,760
Speaker 2: I'd been putting a lot of time in hiking them

1285
01:01:40,760 --> 01:01:43,600
Speaker 2: out around the house here on trails and getting them

1286
01:01:43,600 --> 01:01:46,720
Speaker 2: in shape, and this was a trip that we got

1287
01:01:46,720 --> 01:01:49,600
Speaker 2: to take them out. It took all six and me,

1288
01:01:49,760 --> 01:01:52,440
Speaker 2: Kim and Paley went out and had three deer tags,

1289
01:01:52,480 --> 01:01:55,160
Speaker 2: filled them all. I had a ton of fun. My

1290
01:01:55,280 --> 01:01:59,720
Speaker 2: daughter impressed me even more than she did the last time.

1291
01:01:59,760 --> 01:02:01,600
Speaker 2: You know, she made a perfect shot on a buck

1292
01:02:01,640 --> 01:02:06,600
Speaker 2: that she glassed up herself, and she actually passed on

1293
01:02:06,640 --> 01:02:09,040
Speaker 2: it because it was the first day when she first

1294
01:02:09,080 --> 01:02:12,680
Speaker 2: found it, which is pretty good. Kind of warms your heart,

1295
01:02:12,760 --> 01:02:16,000
Speaker 2: you know, a fourteen year old she's passing on bucks,

1296
01:02:16,000 --> 01:02:20,440
Speaker 2: pretty good bucks, just wanting to see what's over the

1297
01:02:20,480 --> 01:02:23,240
Speaker 2: next bridge, you know. So we spent the whole next

1298
01:02:23,320 --> 01:02:27,000
Speaker 2: day out there looking at quite a few bucks, probably

1299
01:02:27,040 --> 01:02:30,760
Speaker 2: another dozen deer that day, and by the end of

1300
01:02:30,760 --> 01:02:32,680
Speaker 2: the day she determined, you know what that buck that

1301
01:02:32,720 --> 01:02:36,040
Speaker 2: I passed on was was one that she was pretty

1302
01:02:36,040 --> 01:02:38,560
Speaker 2: excited about. So we went back and we relocated it,

1303
01:02:40,000 --> 01:02:43,479
Speaker 2: had him bet it up, and I let her take

1304
01:02:43,560 --> 01:02:48,200
Speaker 2: betted buck shots. Now she's such a good shooter that, yeah,

1305
01:02:48,240 --> 01:02:51,800
Speaker 2: this thing never even never even got up again, two

1306
01:02:51,840 --> 01:02:54,640
Speaker 2: in a row for her on betted bucks. But had

1307
01:02:54,640 --> 01:02:56,360
Speaker 2: a heck of a time, and you know, we were again,

1308
01:02:56,400 --> 01:02:59,480
Speaker 2: We're very lucky on the weather this year, Jason. I mean,

1309
01:03:00,080 --> 01:03:03,400
Speaker 2: I don't remember a November in Montana where we were

1310
01:03:03,440 --> 01:03:05,440
Speaker 2: dealing with weather in the upper forties and in the

1311
01:03:05,480 --> 01:03:08,400
Speaker 2: fifties right now, we were still getting the ruddy bucks.

1312
01:03:08,400 --> 01:03:13,280
Speaker 2: But man, you're expecting like wind. We had no wind ever,

1313
01:03:14,120 --> 01:03:16,800
Speaker 2: and like we had one little snowstorm come through, but

1314
01:03:16,840 --> 01:03:19,200
Speaker 2: for the most part, it was sunny. It was warm,

1315
01:03:19,880 --> 01:03:23,480
Speaker 2: unseasonably warm for November, and it was almost too easy,

1316
01:03:23,680 --> 01:03:25,480
Speaker 2: and we had a heck of a heck of a

1317
01:03:25,520 --> 01:03:28,080
Speaker 2: fun time. But glassed up a ton of deer and

1318
01:03:28,400 --> 01:03:30,000
Speaker 2: you know, just another hunt that I got to spend

1319
01:03:30,000 --> 01:03:33,640
Speaker 2: time with Payley and just try to teach her everything

1320
01:03:34,080 --> 01:03:36,880
Speaker 2: that I possibly can about glassing a deer, where to look,

1321
01:03:37,400 --> 01:03:39,560
Speaker 2: what to do when we see him, like asking her

1322
01:03:39,680 --> 01:03:42,480
Speaker 2: questions about how do you think we should approach this buck,

1323
01:03:43,080 --> 01:03:45,280
Speaker 2: things like that, and it's just ends up being a

1324
01:03:45,320 --> 01:03:46,240
Speaker 2: good learning experience.

1325
01:03:46,520 --> 01:03:48,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, Yeah, that's my That's one of my favorite things,

1326
01:03:49,000 --> 01:03:51,560
Speaker 1: you know, taking my son hunted. You know, he's fourteen,

1327
01:03:51,600 --> 01:03:54,440
Speaker 1: and you know, like asking him, like, there's a deer here,

1328
01:03:54,480 --> 01:03:55,960
Speaker 1: we want to go shoot that one light and then

1329
01:03:56,320 --> 01:03:58,200
Speaker 1: you might pick the wrong route or maybe pick the

1330
01:03:58,280 --> 01:04:00,800
Speaker 1: right route. And then is just throughout the week he's

1331
01:04:00,840 --> 01:04:02,480
Speaker 1: starting to pick like better outs. So I'm gonna go

1332
01:04:02,480 --> 01:04:04,080
Speaker 1: there so he can't see me the whole way and

1333
01:04:04,080 --> 01:04:05,160
Speaker 1: then I'm like, well, how do you know you're going

1334
01:04:05,200 --> 01:04:06,520
Speaker 1: to be close enough? He's like, let me see your

1335
01:04:06,600 --> 01:04:08,479
Speaker 1: range finder, you know, and so he can like shoot

1336
01:04:08,520 --> 01:04:10,320
Speaker 1: the two spots. He's like, well, it's not a straight line,

1337
01:04:10,320 --> 01:04:12,960
Speaker 1: but it should be about here, you know. Or he's like, well,

1338
01:04:13,000 --> 01:04:14,480
Speaker 1: if I had on X, I'd be able to just

1339
01:04:14,520 --> 01:04:16,440
Speaker 1: look how far that ridge is to where I think

1340
01:04:16,440 --> 01:04:18,160
Speaker 1: he's at, you know, And so it's cool to like

1341
01:04:18,240 --> 01:04:21,240
Speaker 1: see it start to click in his head versus just

1342
01:04:21,320 --> 01:04:24,200
Speaker 1: doing what Dad says. He's like, all right, I'm going

1343
01:04:24,280 --> 01:04:26,040
Speaker 1: to start figuring. I'm going to start giving you my

1344
01:04:26,080 --> 01:04:28,520
Speaker 1: answers and then confirm it her or give me some

1345
01:04:28,560 --> 01:04:32,600
Speaker 1: other advice. And for him, you know, same with my wife,

1346
01:04:32,640 --> 01:04:34,160
Speaker 1: she shoots a lot of bedded bucks because for me,

1347
01:04:34,160 --> 01:04:36,400
Speaker 1: it's absolutely easier if that thing's not moving to just

1348
01:04:36,440 --> 01:04:39,320
Speaker 1: get the gun, you know, dialed in like you're you're

1349
01:04:39,360 --> 01:04:42,000
Speaker 1: such a good shot. But that's one thing I found

1350
01:04:42,040 --> 01:04:43,680
Speaker 1: with my son we need to work on. It is

1351
01:04:43,720 --> 01:04:47,040
Speaker 1: like target acquisition, you know, where it's like us, we've

1352
01:04:47,040 --> 01:04:48,840
Speaker 1: did it so many times, like it very quickly. If

1353
01:04:48,880 --> 01:04:50,520
Speaker 1: a deer takes off one hundred yards, I'll have it

1354
01:04:50,600 --> 01:04:52,440
Speaker 1: in the scope very quickly and at least have a

1355
01:04:52,520 --> 01:04:55,440
Speaker 1: chance where we had a white tail zipping around like

1356
01:04:55,640 --> 01:04:58,520
Speaker 1: Hunter couldn't get on it. It's like that's like that

1357
01:04:58,600 --> 01:05:01,200
Speaker 1: was a weak link and the game where yeah, maybe

1358
01:05:01,360 --> 01:05:03,720
Speaker 1: maybe we shouldn't be making it such a hurry, but

1359
01:05:03,720 --> 01:05:05,440
Speaker 1: at times, if it's the right animal and that's your

1360
01:05:05,480 --> 01:05:09,480
Speaker 1: only opportunity, you need to try to capitalize. But yeah, yeah,

1361
01:05:09,480 --> 01:05:13,080
Speaker 1: that's target acquisition is our big down for right now.

1362
01:05:13,240 --> 01:05:15,000
Speaker 1: You do everything else right right to that time, and

1363
01:05:15,040 --> 01:05:16,480
Speaker 1: then you can't get the gun on them when they're

1364
01:05:16,480 --> 01:05:16,720
Speaker 1: in there.

1365
01:05:17,880 --> 01:05:20,440
Speaker 2: That's tough. Yeah, that's that's the same with Paley. You know,

1366
01:05:20,520 --> 01:05:22,800
Speaker 2: target acquisition. You know, you know, you and I are

1367
01:05:22,800 --> 01:05:24,280
Speaker 2: really good at I mean, you could have it at

1368
01:05:24,320 --> 01:05:27,720
Speaker 2: ten power and get your rifle you know, immediately on

1369
01:05:27,760 --> 01:05:31,120
Speaker 2: that that deer at whatever one hundred yards, two hundred yards.

1370
01:05:31,400 --> 01:05:33,640
Speaker 2: But you know, Paley's really good about backing that thing

1371
01:05:33,720 --> 01:05:36,200
Speaker 2: all the way back out to four and then finding

1372
01:05:36,280 --> 01:05:38,800
Speaker 2: it and then just swilling it in and she's gotten

1373
01:05:38,840 --> 01:05:42,280
Speaker 2: really good at that, so she's figured it out. But yeah,

1374
01:05:42,360 --> 01:05:45,680
Speaker 2: I love I love having that opportunity to just ask

1375
01:05:45,720 --> 01:05:47,880
Speaker 2: her questions, like, so, what's your gut tell you we

1376
01:05:47,880 --> 01:05:49,760
Speaker 2: should do right here, like where do you think that

1377
01:05:49,800 --> 01:05:53,840
Speaker 2: buck went? You know, in these places that we've already

1378
01:05:53,840 --> 01:05:56,520
Speaker 2: been to, and she's getting pretty good starting to figure

1379
01:05:56,520 --> 01:05:56,720
Speaker 2: it out.

1380
01:05:56,760 --> 01:06:00,360
Speaker 1: Awesome. Yeah, that kind of wraps up, wrap up your

1381
01:06:00,400 --> 01:06:03,520
Speaker 1: season some of the the you know how to's or

1382
01:06:03,560 --> 01:06:06,840
Speaker 1: what mattered on these specific hunts and what's next. So

1383
01:06:06,920 --> 01:06:09,680
Speaker 1: I know we'll I probably won't get to see this

1384
01:06:09,760 --> 01:06:12,840
Speaker 1: year at the Western Hunt because these show promoters decided

1385
01:06:12,880 --> 01:06:15,320
Speaker 1: to put everything on the same exact week this year,

1386
01:06:15,360 --> 01:06:17,800
Speaker 1: So I don't know if I do the short straw off.

1387
01:06:17,800 --> 01:06:21,240
Speaker 1: It's just because I live Fortunately, that's really an unfortunately

1388
01:06:21,280 --> 01:06:23,439
Speaker 1: on Western Washington. I'm gonna get stuck at the Portland show.

1389
01:06:23,800 --> 01:06:25,560
Speaker 1: Derek's gonna be out there, but you'll probably be at

1390
01:06:25,600 --> 01:06:28,680
Speaker 1: the at the Western Hunt. And then you've got some

1391
01:06:28,720 --> 01:06:30,439
Speaker 1: pretty exciting stuff coming up on the Bear.

1392
01:06:31,080 --> 01:06:33,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, we're doing a little bear instructional.

1393
01:06:33,480 --> 01:06:38,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's kind of something different than than I never

1394
01:06:38,040 --> 01:06:39,760
Speaker 2: wanted to do this. Let me put that out of

1395
01:06:39,760 --> 01:06:40,240
Speaker 2: there right now.

1396
01:06:40,400 --> 01:06:41,480
Speaker 3: This is not my thing.

1397
01:06:41,920 --> 01:06:43,560
Speaker 2: I don't like it in front of people. I don't

1398
01:06:43,640 --> 01:06:48,680
Speaker 2: like eyeballs on me. But somehow the fella's talking me

1399
01:06:48,720 --> 01:06:51,920
Speaker 2: into this. So we're doing a little Western Bear Tour

1400
01:06:52,880 --> 01:06:56,280
Speaker 2: involves three states, so we're doing one in Missoula, we're

1401
01:06:56,320 --> 01:06:58,320
Speaker 2: doing one in Boise, and we're doing one down in

1402
01:06:58,360 --> 01:07:01,200
Speaker 2: Salt Lake City. And these are all in the month

1403
01:07:01,240 --> 01:07:05,680
Speaker 2: of March. They are two day events and we're gonna

1404
01:07:05,680 --> 01:07:07,000
Speaker 2: have a lot of fun with it. This is kind

1405
01:07:07,000 --> 01:07:09,960
Speaker 2: of a total immersion into bear hunting. You know, we're

1406
01:07:10,000 --> 01:07:13,400
Speaker 2: gonna talk about everything, and you know, for for guys

1407
01:07:13,440 --> 01:07:15,280
Speaker 2: interested in I don't need to go through all the

1408
01:07:15,280 --> 01:07:17,920
Speaker 2: details of it, but you know, go to Tree Lane

1409
01:07:17,960 --> 01:07:20,360
Speaker 2: Academy dot net and you can kind of see what

1410
01:07:20,440 --> 01:07:24,360
Speaker 2: the Western Bear Tour encompasses. It's very detailed on everything

1411
01:07:24,360 --> 01:07:26,800
Speaker 2: that we're going to talk about, you know, everything from

1412
01:07:26,840 --> 01:07:32,040
Speaker 2: just having Q and a's to very very detailed discussions

1413
01:07:32,080 --> 01:07:35,840
Speaker 2: on everything bear. And that's gonna involve me, Mark Livessey,

1414
01:07:36,960 --> 01:07:40,720
Speaker 2: Brian Call, and Brad Hunt. And yeah, we're gonna have

1415
01:07:40,720 --> 01:07:43,280
Speaker 2: fun with this. It's gonna be I mean, I'm gonna

1416
01:07:43,280 --> 01:07:45,000
Speaker 2: be nervous as heck just getting in front of that

1417
01:07:45,600 --> 01:07:50,320
Speaker 2: many folks talking about stuff, but I'm gonna do it.

1418
01:07:50,520 --> 01:07:53,439
Speaker 2: I'm gonna, i guess, get out of my comfort zone

1419
01:07:53,440 --> 01:07:54,080
Speaker 2: and do this thing.

1420
01:07:54,160 --> 01:07:56,520
Speaker 1: So Yeah, that'll be fun and different. It seems like

1421
01:07:56,600 --> 01:08:00,440
Speaker 1: bear hunting is a topic of a lot of it's

1422
01:08:00,440 --> 01:08:02,560
Speaker 1: either picking up steam or and what I am going

1423
01:08:02,600 --> 01:08:04,040
Speaker 1: to sign you guys up for, what you don't know

1424
01:08:04,120 --> 01:08:05,520
Speaker 1: is I'm gonna sign you guys up to come talk

1425
01:08:05,560 --> 01:08:08,160
Speaker 1: with the WDFW commissioners when you're done with your little

1426
01:08:08,160 --> 01:08:10,840
Speaker 1: bear tour and you can like summarize what you found

1427
01:08:10,880 --> 01:08:12,800
Speaker 1: about bear hunters and people wanting to get into it

1428
01:08:12,920 --> 01:08:13,320
Speaker 1: for them.

1429
01:08:13,440 --> 01:08:17,439
Speaker 2: Yeah, we should do that, right man, guys over in Washington.

1430
01:08:18,120 --> 01:08:21,120
Speaker 2: But yeah, I think I think overall we're gonna have

1431
01:08:21,120 --> 01:08:23,120
Speaker 2: a lot of fun with this. I think anybody who attends,

1432
01:08:23,640 --> 01:08:26,040
Speaker 2: they're going to get a lot out of it. We're

1433
01:08:26,080 --> 01:08:28,080
Speaker 2: gonna have a little movie night in there too. Brian's

1434
01:08:28,120 --> 01:08:31,160
Speaker 2: put putting together some some films that'll be seen there.

1435
01:08:31,240 --> 01:08:35,639
Speaker 2: And yeah, two day kind of all immersion into bear

1436
01:08:35,920 --> 01:08:36,519
Speaker 2: be things.

1437
01:08:36,520 --> 01:08:40,639
Speaker 1: So yeah, and a guy being lucky enough to attend

1438
01:08:40,720 --> 01:08:42,720
Speaker 1: three of your hunt summits now I believe maybe two.

1439
01:08:43,560 --> 01:08:45,720
Speaker 1: If it's anything like your guys's Western hunt summits, like

1440
01:08:45,760 --> 01:08:47,559
Speaker 1: this thing, should you guys knock it out of the park,

1441
01:08:47,600 --> 01:08:50,120
Speaker 1: it'll be well worth the time. So head over to

1442
01:08:50,160 --> 01:08:52,600
Speaker 1: the what's the link again, Ryan, It's for people to

1443
01:08:52,680 --> 01:08:54,200
Speaker 1: check out and find out some more information.

1444
01:08:54,360 --> 01:08:56,360
Speaker 2: So if you go to Tree Lane Academy dot net,

1445
01:08:56,920 --> 01:08:59,400
Speaker 2: there's a link there that takes it to the Western

1446
01:08:59,400 --> 01:09:03,880
Speaker 2: Bear Tour page there and all the sign all the

1447
01:09:03,880 --> 01:09:06,680
Speaker 2: information is there for it, and there's different passes that

1448
01:09:06,720 --> 01:09:10,120
Speaker 2: you can kind of look at as far as what

1449
01:09:10,160 --> 01:09:12,200
Speaker 2: you're looking for, but a lot of information.

1450
01:09:13,600 --> 01:09:17,280
Speaker 1: Nice. Nice. I was lucky enough I was gonna guarantee

1451
01:09:17,280 --> 01:09:19,200
Speaker 1: I was gonna do some idahospring bear hunting this year.

1452
01:09:19,200 --> 01:09:21,560
Speaker 1: But I was lucky enough to draw one of the

1453
01:09:21,640 --> 01:09:24,360
Speaker 1: state wide houndhunter permits, So I'm stoked to go over there.

1454
01:09:24,360 --> 01:09:26,559
Speaker 1: I'll get to chase some cats really, and then I

1455
01:09:26,640 --> 01:09:29,080
Speaker 1: might just end up running behind some you know, following

1456
01:09:29,080 --> 01:09:31,519
Speaker 1: the dogs around on that bear season as well. While

1457
01:09:31,520 --> 01:09:34,320
Speaker 1: I got my like one year past to hunt Idaho.

1458
01:09:34,560 --> 01:09:36,280
Speaker 1: That's so cool animals behind a hound.

1459
01:09:36,360 --> 01:09:37,519
Speaker 2: So I can't wait to hear about it.

1460
01:09:37,520 --> 01:09:41,280
Speaker 3: And I'm excited, yea excited excited for that.

1461
01:09:41,320 --> 01:09:43,240
Speaker 1: Well, we all know how much Ryan loves to talk

1462
01:09:43,280 --> 01:09:44,840
Speaker 1: to people. So if you're at Western Hunt, you guys

1463
01:09:44,840 --> 01:09:46,920
Speaker 1: can go find him, probably in the peak booth and

1464
01:09:46,920 --> 01:09:49,439
Speaker 1: if you don't see him around there, you can probably

1465
01:09:49,479 --> 01:09:51,040
Speaker 1: check one of the tants. He likes to hang out

1466
01:09:51,040 --> 01:09:53,080
Speaker 1: there and get away from people in the in the

1467
01:09:53,160 --> 01:09:55,720
Speaker 1: tents and then go out go check out his his

1468
01:09:55,760 --> 01:09:58,120
Speaker 1: bear summit that they're going to do in those three locations.

1469
01:09:59,360 --> 01:10:01,800
Speaker 1: And and if you want to learn more about deer Elk,

1470
01:10:02,400 --> 01:10:04,760
Speaker 1: he's got the Western Hunt summits. I believe both deer

1471
01:10:04,760 --> 01:10:07,400
Speaker 1: elk are mixed or archery. I don't remember how they're

1472
01:10:07,400 --> 01:10:09,200
Speaker 1: all broken up now. Usually just go to the Elk one,

1473
01:10:09,280 --> 01:10:12,280
Speaker 1: but yeah, there are lots of ways to get there Ryan,

1474
01:10:12,439 --> 01:10:14,800
Speaker 1: And don't let him fool you. He he loves to

1475
01:10:15,120 --> 01:10:16,600
Speaker 1: He loves to talk to you guys, just more on

1476
01:10:16,680 --> 01:10:18,439
Speaker 1: a one on one, not so much in in a

1477
01:10:18,479 --> 01:10:19,080
Speaker 1: group setting.

1478
01:10:19,920 --> 01:10:22,920
Speaker 2: That's it. Yeah, I can handle it when it's just

1479
01:10:22,960 --> 01:10:24,599
Speaker 2: like a one on one and we're talking. That's why

1480
01:10:25,320 --> 01:10:27,280
Speaker 2: you know. I do these summits and and they're a

1481
01:10:27,280 --> 01:10:29,920
Speaker 2: ton of fun. But I don't like differn presentations. I

1482
01:10:29,960 --> 01:10:33,719
Speaker 2: do like having conversations in the backdrop though. Yeah. Western

1483
01:10:33,760 --> 01:10:36,519
Speaker 2: Hunt Expo is is kind of next and uh, that's

1484
01:10:36,560 --> 01:10:38,200
Speaker 2: the that's the show that we're going to be doing.

1485
01:10:38,240 --> 01:10:40,360
Speaker 2: And we always have a ton of fun down there.

1486
01:10:40,479 --> 01:10:42,680
Speaker 2: You my wife go down with the kids and we

1487
01:10:42,720 --> 01:10:44,960
Speaker 2: will be hanging at the Peaks Booth this.

1488
01:10:45,040 --> 01:10:49,320
Speaker 1: Year, so yep, yep, And unfortunately I will be in No.

1489
01:10:49,800 --> 01:10:51,479
Speaker 1: I always have a great time at Portland as well.

1490
01:10:51,479 --> 01:10:53,400
Speaker 1: It's just sometimes it kind of sucks. The Western Hunt's

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Speaker 1: such a good show. But but well, we'll have to

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Speaker 1: catch you on the next Western Hunt show. Hopefully the

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Speaker 1: promoters get their stuff together and not over schedule on

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Speaker 1: top of each other. But as always, Ryan really appreciate

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Speaker 1: having you on. Great, great answers on all those questions,

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Speaker 1: and then it's always nice to kind of relive your season,

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Speaker 1: so appreciate it and good luck on everything coming forward.

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Speaker 1: And twenty four.

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Speaker 2: Yep, thanks Jason, you as well.

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Speaker 1: Yeah yeah bye here