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Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to Normally, the show with normalist takes

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Speaker 1: for when the news gets weird. I am Carol Markowitz,

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Speaker 1: Mary Catherine ham Is on vacation and I've got the

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Speaker 1: amazing Bridget Fantasy sitting in with me today. Brigid is

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Speaker 1: a writer, comedian, host of the show's Dumpster Fire and

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Speaker 1: Walkin's Welcome And these are her words because Hi, we're

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Speaker 1: about the same age. A geriatric mommy, high Bridget, so

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Speaker 1: nice to have you on.

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Speaker 2: Why do you have to make us a geriatric mommy?

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Speaker 3: It's a medical term. I didn't make it up. You

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Speaker 3: have at least children that are teens, right, yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 3: mine's four.

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Speaker 1: I'm like, all right, Jerry, you know I think it

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Speaker 1: keeps you youthful and.

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Speaker 4: Totally does Yeah, I'm just owning the term. I'm just

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's right.

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Speaker 1: You're recuperating it from the people who misuse it against you.

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Speaker 1: So we're recording this on Wednesday, April firs. It's April

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Speaker 1: Fool's Day, like the worst day of the year on

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Speaker 1: social media. Have you fallen for any April Fools jokes today?

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Speaker 5: No?

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Speaker 4: I think April Fool's Day is for psychopaths. I've always

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Speaker 4: hated April Fool's Day with every part of my being,

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Speaker 4: and anyone who partakes in it is a psychopath.

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Speaker 3: That's my kind of general theory.

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Speaker 2: All right.

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Speaker 1: I mean I felt, for one, a Jeet pay said

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Speaker 1: that's awesome. You were so good at it, and he

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, And he's not a psychopath.

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Speaker 2: But I hear you, I hear no.

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Speaker 4: Well, I think it's also I think it's also a

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Speaker 4: People can kind of say what they want to say,

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Speaker 4: but they can't say it on this day.

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Speaker 3: So I have people pass for that or or people to.

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Speaker 4: Make you know, kind of offensive or lude.

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Speaker 1: Jokes and be like, oh what, it was just April

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Speaker 1: Fool's Day, right, I mean, I see people doing that

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Speaker 4: You're right, Maybe people are their day to be like, oh,

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Speaker 1: All right, Well, we're gonna get to the news. We're

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Speaker 1: gonna open it up with the birthright citizenship case that

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Speaker 1: is in SCOTUS right now. Today Trump showed up to

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Speaker 2: Why do you imagine that might be?

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Speaker 3: I don't know.

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Speaker 4: That's I mean, it's crazy to me that no one's

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Speaker 3: I almost feel like I would attend if I was president.

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Speaker 2: I think I don't want to know.

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Speaker 1: There is, you know, a longstanding kind of policy to

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Speaker 1: Donald Trump is his own ballgame. He's like, I'd never

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Speaker 1: even heard of that. Norm What are you guys even

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Speaker 4: But this Court has proven over and over again that

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think vote again the as tariffs.

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Speaker 1: Right, and look, the swing votes on this case look

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Speaker 4: So you are of the opinion that illegal or not,

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Speaker 4: if you're born here, no, you should be granted citizens right, No, No,

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Speaker 4: I should I should clarify if you're here illegally or

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Speaker 1: Rule that some people like if you're here legally and

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Speaker 4: like I on her Sally was on my podcast actually

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Speaker 3: Our Constitution is in a suicide pact.

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Speaker 4: So it shouldn't be that we just get to have

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Speaker 4: are trying to say that the eighteen nineties ruling was

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Speaker 1: Can you imagine in like eighteen sixty eight, they thought

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Speaker 4: My feeling too, just the kind of normy feeling that

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Speaker 3: I think it's interesting because I think the average.

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Speaker 4: Normy they don't want someone who was born here and

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Speaker 4: But moving forward, it seems like birthrate tourism should not

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Speaker 1: It's just us on the internet who are arguing this

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Speaker 4: I kind of feel like it's it's always I feel

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Speaker 3: Now we have yes and Hollywood is dead. By the way,

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Speaker 2: Hollywood is dead.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, but are they going to investigate like ilan Omar's

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Speaker 1: We are back on Normally, where Bridget just had a

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Speaker 1: Whatever's going on in new media reminds me a lot

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Speaker 4: I I've had these pieces just lying around. I had

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Speaker 4: really something just to ground me and what I was doing,

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Speaker 4: because there is so much pressure when you're in the

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Speaker 4: media space to try and chase the numbers. And I

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Speaker 4: have to always remember one, it's not about me. It's

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Speaker 4: about connecting to people, which is always what I'm trying

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Speaker 4: to do endlessly and imperfectly. Making sense of the world

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Speaker 4: very publicly is not easy when you're making sense trying

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Speaker 4: to make sense of the world publicly, and there are

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Speaker 4: all of these other incentives like money involved, and like

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Speaker 4: the power numbers and analytics. It can feel very hopeless

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Speaker 4: and frustrating. And then I would see these influencers and

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Speaker 4: they were all saying, which to me, undermines their own

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Speaker 4: influence by saying, oh, we see where the under forty

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Speaker 4: population is going on XYZ topic, usually Israel. And to me,

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Speaker 4: I say, well, then do you not have any influence

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Speaker 4: at all? So you're just going to pivot in that

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Speaker 4: direction because you think they're right, or you're saying that

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Speaker 4: that's what's popular.

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Speaker 3: Do you know how many things have been popular throughout.

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Speaker 4: History that we're wrong, so we're just you don't have

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Speaker 4: And then it makes me question do these people believe

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Speaker 4: anything at all? Right? But then instead of looking outward,

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Speaker 4: I always have to look inward and say, what is

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Speaker 4: my purpose?

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Speaker 3: What do I value? What do I believe?

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Speaker 4: My transition from being very liberal to where I would

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Speaker 4: say probably sent or right at this point, I didn't.

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Speaker 3: Just react to the left.

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Speaker 4: I was very very intentional and making sure that I

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Speaker 4: wasn't only just reacting to the left, and I engaged

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Speaker 4: with a lot of right wing media, and I think

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Speaker 4: a lot of people who came from the left just

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Speaker 4: reacted and didn't necessarily engage with it. So I really

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Speaker 4: remember I remember a long time ago Ben Shapiro actually

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Speaker 4: had something where you said, what are your values?

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Speaker 3: And I was like values, huh?

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Speaker 1: Like what are my piero always making you think about it?

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Speaker 2: Values?

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Speaker 4: What a strange and interesting concept, and what are my

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Speaker 4: values in relation to?

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Speaker 3: What is this amazing thing?

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Speaker 4: Like I read the Federalist papers, which I hadn't read

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Speaker 4: probably since high school. I just went back into the

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Speaker 4: great gift we were given in this country and under

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Speaker 4: trying to understand what conservatives were trying to conserve. Also

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Speaker 4: living through the never Trump was pushing back against Trump,

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Speaker 4: and it was It's been a It's been just very

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Speaker 4: interesting and confusing, and I've been wrong about a lot

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Speaker 4: of things, and I will continue to be wrong about more.

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Speaker 3: But I have found that that kind.

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Speaker 4: Of spidey sense of saying you're not alone and you're

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Speaker 4: not crazy, that instinct is usually usually I tap into

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Speaker 4: something way bigger than I even expected to when I

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Speaker 4: put a piece like that out, and you won't be

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Speaker 4: chasing the opinions of children probably. I mean, it's it's

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Speaker 4: funny because we were all neglected by our.

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Speaker 1: Like we've been are our parents, and so it's like

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Speaker 1: people are like, you know, I we we had.

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Speaker 4: I don't feel like the older generation and chase our

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Speaker 4: opinion at all.

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Speaker 3: They just kind of looked at us and let be.

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Speaker 4: But because they were just neglecting us completely for many

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Speaker 4: of us, so they didn't.

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Speaker 3: They didn't.

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Speaker 4: They were old enough to understand that you Okay, I

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Speaker 4: was young, I was a hippie, I was I thought

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Speaker 4: all these things. Now I got older, I have bills

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Speaker 4: to bay. I'm a shamed I think you change. And

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Speaker 4: I can let the twenty year olds be twenty year olds,

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Speaker 4: but I don't.

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Speaker 3: I don't need to. I don't need to chase them.

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Speaker 4: I can listen to what they're saying and try and

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Speaker 4: hear them and try and understand them. And I can

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Speaker 4: try and urge them to resist the instinct to become

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Speaker 4: a victim because I've also been there, and I can

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Speaker 4: teach them what I know about recovery and being a

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Speaker 4: you know.

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Speaker 2: Wild child.

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Speaker 3: Will say, I guess politely.

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Speaker 4: That I and trying to make sense of America right now,

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Speaker 4: But they're gonna That's not how influence works, right, you know.

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Speaker 4: Influence doesn't work by like trying to be cool.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, there's no way to actually be cool. So don't.

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Speaker 1: I think it's the same with people who are chasing

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Speaker 1: the young people and trying to cater their opinions to them.

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Speaker 1: I see them as the same as like the people

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Speaker 1: who try to dress.

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Speaker 2: Like young people. Like everybody sees through it. Just stop it.

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Speaker 3: It's like the mom trying to be cool for her kids.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, like you a parent, right, And also the

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Speaker 1: kids do not think that's cool.

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Speaker 2: They think it's cringe, very very cringe, and.

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Speaker 3: The kids see through it.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely.

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Speaker 6: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: The kids are not like, oh my mom is so

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Speaker 1: cool wearing the same outfits as me.

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Speaker 3: Not at all, not at all. No, most kids would

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Speaker 3: rather have their parents be really annoying dogs.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, definitely, even if they are like, oh mom, you're

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Speaker 4: such a dog, it's better than like the love that

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Speaker 4: like smoking cigarettes with their kids or whatever.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, thank you so much for coming on Bridget. She

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Speaker 2: is Bridget Fantasy.

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Speaker 1: Check her out on Walkins, Welcome and Dumpster Fire. Thank you, Bridget.

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Speaker 2: You are awesome. We talk about you a lot on normally.

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