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Speaker 1: This One Bill's Live presented by Callida Health.

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Speaker 2: How's everyone doing this week? Chris Brown, Steve Tasker back

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Speaker 2: here on a Monday One Bill's Live. Thanks for making

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Speaker 2: us part of your afternoon as we motor our way

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Speaker 2: through the month of May, waiting for summer to still arrive.

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Speaker 2: It's not here. I don't even know if spring is

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Speaker 2: here yet.

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Speaker 1: Right, I gotta tell you your quarter zip that you

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Speaker 1: got on.

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Speaker 2: Where'd you get that? This is quite nice? This is

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Speaker 2: quite old. I know it is fiftieth.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, because I know it has its one.

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Speaker 2: Hundred one hundredth year of the NFL.

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Speaker 1: It's got the gold around the bills logos golden. He's

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Speaker 1: got a zipper on the sleeve for a phone pocket. Nice.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's pretty sharp.

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Speaker 1: I like it. Is that a like for ballpoint pen there.

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Speaker 2: On the side. No, it's probably for a like a

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Speaker 2: a listening device where you have a cord come out

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Speaker 2: for your headphones. Of course, now we have wireless headphones,

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Speaker 2: which might speak to how old this is. But that

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Speaker 2: was I don't bring it out very well.

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Speaker 1: I think you got that before I came on board

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Speaker 1: full time.

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Speaker 2: I would say that's probably accurate, because I you know,

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Speaker 2: we have such a large rotation. You and I have

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Speaker 2: Bill's paraphernalia. You probably have it. You probably far out

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Speaker 2: number me. I believe you have a whole walk in

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Speaker 2: closet of said items.

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Speaker 1: Correct, Yes, And I don't want to I don't want

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Speaker 1: to bring all our listeners and force them to listen

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Speaker 1: to our inter office workings. But we got an email

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Speaker 1: today about camp attire, right, you get it?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so we.

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Speaker 1: Get a chance we order the whole. If you've ever

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Speaker 1: been out to training camp, you know, everybody that works

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Speaker 1: for the team.

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Speaker 2: Has their outfitted the same thing on right, We're all outfitted.

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Speaker 1: There's like three different things you can wear a day

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Speaker 1: to day and like the third of the people have

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Speaker 1: one thing and a third of the people have the

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Speaker 1: other and the third you know, world dressed alike basically.

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Speaker 1: So we got that email today. Have you looked at it?

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Speaker 1: And is there anything cool? And I have placed my order?

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Speaker 1: Oh have you?

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 1: You are one of those guys. Well, I had me.

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Speaker 2: We have an option to select a backpack for our

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Speaker 2: work materials every year. I could use that, and I

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Speaker 2: really like the one they made available last year and

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Speaker 2: I ordered it and I loved it because it had

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Speaker 2: that compartment in the back of the backpack just to

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Speaker 2: slide your laptop in the back door. It's like its

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Speaker 2: own compartment, so you got more room for everything else

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Speaker 2: in the big pocket in the front.

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Speaker 1: And you say you loved it. What happened? Does kid

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Speaker 1: take it to college?

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Speaker 2: A zipper went on it for the back pocket. And

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Speaker 2: I've tried, my darness to you ever try to rethreadn

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Speaker 2: a zipper. It's possible, And so I'm like, dang, I

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Speaker 2: want to keep using this thing. So then I looked

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Speaker 2: at the new backpack that they're offering this year. Last

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Speaker 2: year's was made by Nike and it's pretty sweet. This

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Speaker 2: year's was not made by them.

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Speaker 1: Well you can't say who it was.

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Speaker 2: Well, I can't even remember, but I'm I'm getting it

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Speaker 2: anyway because it has that back pocket with the laptop.

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Speaker 2: I love that pocket.

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Speaker 1: You love the pocket, Hate the zipper, hate the zipper.

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Speaker 2: I don't know. I don't feel like I'm too rough

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Speaker 2: on of my stuff trying to make it last. Shoes

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Speaker 2: this year are they You're offered shoes every year, doesn't

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Speaker 2: mean you have to get them right. I believe the

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Speaker 2: shoes are a slight upgrade from what we had last year,

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Speaker 2: but I'm not getting them. I didn't get the shoes.

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Speaker 2: I went in other places because you only have it

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Speaker 2: a lot of Yeah, you have allotted budget.

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Speaker 1: I'll go over the budget for by a couple of

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Speaker 2: You do, okay. I think I was ten on.

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Speaker 1: There's always that one. Like last year. I got two

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Speaker 1: pair of the golf shorts because I mean, they're nice shorts.

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Speaker 1: So I got a couple of pair of those. And

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Speaker 1: I'm with you though you said it. Today we're gonna

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Speaker 1: blink our eyes and we're gonna be in training camp. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I wish because we're a very supposed to make it

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Speaker 2: At least you know it would be summer. Right, I'm

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Speaker 2: trying to now, I'm trying to now grow grass seed

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Speaker 2: where my six trees used to reside.

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Speaker 1: Attempt. Yeah, the ones you chop down.

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Speaker 2: The sun comes in the backyard and he looks and

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Speaker 2: he goes place. If he goes dead. If you grow

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Speaker 2: grass in all these places, this yard is gonna look

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Speaker 2: like a football field. Because we had an inordinate number

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Speaker 2: of trees back there. You took a bunch of well,

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Speaker 2: two were dying and we're going to fall down. So

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Speaker 2: the last thing I need is it falling on my

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Speaker 2: neighbor shed or something like that. So yoh, yeah, Like

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Speaker 2: one was at least fifty feet tall and the other

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Speaker 2: was probably like thirty feet tall, so you had somebody

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Speaker 2: else take it. Yes, those I had somebody else take down.

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Speaker 2: I took down my evergreen trees, which are well a

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Speaker 2: couple of them, we're twenty foot but they're pine trees,

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Speaker 2: you know, like not thick trunks or anything. So I

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Speaker 2: just chainsaw those and limbed them up, and the town

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Speaker 2: grabbed all that stuff. But now I'm trying to grow

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Speaker 2: grass seed, and it's like.

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Speaker 1: Does it grow in the because they always planting the

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Speaker 2: The cold weather. I'm hoping, you know, because grass grows

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Speaker 2: faster in the spring in the fall than it, you know,

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Speaker 2: the cold summer. Sometimes you don't have to mow your lawn.

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Speaker 1: For two weekdays. Cool nights makes it grow fast.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so I'm hoping that the seed reacts accordingly.

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Speaker 1: I was I was in a man. I took my

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Speaker 1: dog out last night and and vern goes out like

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Speaker 1: after dark for the last time, right, and I was

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Speaker 2: On yeah, I was, Uh, my fertilizer guy that comes

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Speaker 2: through every so often. He's like, uh, He's handing me

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Speaker 2: the receipt for the service, and he said, do you

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Speaker 2: have a small dog? And I said no, Why, he goes, well,

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Speaker 2: I just went around the side of your yard to

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Speaker 2: do the side patch of grass that you have over there,

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Speaker 2: you know, spray and everything. He's like a red fox

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Speaker 2: just jumped out of the bush. It must have been

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Speaker 2: this neighborhood. So he's taken down rabbits left, right and center.

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Speaker 2: I mean, there's plenty of food to go around. I've

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Speaker 2: so I don't have to worry about her with the fox.

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Speaker 2: You'll snap the fox's neck in it.

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Speaker 1: That, yeah, my dog is if it's a fit, it's

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Speaker 1: a coin flip between my dog and a rabbit. So

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Speaker 1: I have to watch my dog.

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Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, yeah, so I just I just didn't want

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Speaker 2: I mean, she got her shots for rabies and everything,

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Speaker 2: but you always worry about that stuff.

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Speaker 3: You know.

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Speaker 1: I've got I got a French eat, not a pit bull,

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Speaker 1: and he's Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Like I said, I'm hoping that the red fox and

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Speaker 2: the red tail hawk in our neighborhood kind of control

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Speaker 2: I'm telling.

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Speaker 1: You, I've been to your house. It's a neighborhood, but

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Speaker 1: it's wild kingdom.

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Speaker 2: Well, there's a couple of years ago they saw coyote

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Speaker 2: running around out there in Lancaster. Yeah, they used to

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Speaker 2: have a lot more.

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Speaker 1: It's up somebody's big dog.

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Speaker 2: It wasn't No, we still have some wooded areas out there.

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Speaker 2: I'm just gonna say so, I'm really hoping the red

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Speaker 2: fox and the redtail hawk get to work because we've

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Speaker 2: got to control the rabbit population. It's a little out

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Speaker 2: of control. As we know, they can multiply quickly. It's

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Speaker 2: already out of hand, and they're eating my wife's flowers.

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Speaker 2: So that is not going over well.

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Speaker 1: Vermin is is vermin I mean, you got to get

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Speaker 1: rid of it. I'm sorry for all you wildlife himbers

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Speaker 1: out there. There are certain species that you just got

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Speaker 2: So we will get to Bill's notes in a in

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Speaker 2: a quick second here, but we have to take a

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Speaker 2: phone call because I believe we have an early in

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Speaker 2: the season relationship hotline question, and I would undoubtedly guess

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Speaker 2: it has something to do with the schedule. But let's

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Speaker 2: go to Steve and Wheatfield to see if we can

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Speaker 2: help him.

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Speaker 4: What's up Steve, Hey, guys, thanks for taking my call.

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Speaker 4: I hope you can tell in the discern in my

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Speaker 4: breath here that I'm thinking there's not really any options here.

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Speaker 4: But when the schedule came out, the first thing I

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Speaker 4: did was look on November second, because that is the

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Speaker 4: day of my brother's wedding, and he asked me before

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Speaker 4: he scheduled his wedding to be his best man. Obviously,

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Speaker 4: I'm going to be there. When the schedule came out,

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Speaker 4: of course, November two is Bill Chiefs had four. I was,

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Speaker 4: I was. I was a little devastated. I'm trying to

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Speaker 4: find a way to have the game playing on my

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Speaker 4: phone when I start my speech, just to show him

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Speaker 4: like something. When I'm doing the best man speech, I

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Speaker 4: don't know.

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Speaker 5: What to do.

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Speaker 4: I'm just kind of like, dang it, like out of

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Speaker 4: all the games, you know, and I get it. Sunday

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Speaker 4: weddings are cheaper, but Sunday weddings during bill season are

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Speaker 4: going to upset some people.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so, Steve, here's my here's question number one. Do

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Speaker 2: you do you know yet when the time of the

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Speaker 2: ceremony and the time of the reception. When do those

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Speaker 2: two things begin?

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Speaker 4: So the ceremony will begin at five, okay, and the

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Speaker 4: reception starts at six?

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Speaker 2: Oh geez your host? Okay, Yeah, that's rough.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, some thing you could do. Here's there's a couple

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Speaker 1: of options here, Steve. Though it's not all, hope is

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Speaker 1: not lost. What you need to do is you either

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Speaker 1: do one of two things. You either have TVs at

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Speaker 1: the reception. You can have TV and that's all good,

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Speaker 1: but or the other way you can try to do

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Speaker 1: it is if a total blackout and just DVR it

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Speaker 1: or record it and don't have any conversations doing that

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Speaker 1: and just go watch it fresh three hours later late.

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Speaker 2: Somebody at that wedding reception is going to be keeping

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Speaker 2: track of it. You're going to get wind of it.

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Speaker 1: You can't.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that's hard to do.

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Speaker 1: You can put it. You can have announcement, have the

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Speaker 1: have the priest or the minister whoever, the efficient say something,

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Speaker 1: say hey, no Bills talk until oh wow, because we're

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Speaker 1: gonna watch it together.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, like at eight you could do a total wedding

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Speaker 2: party embargo.

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Speaker 1: Right, you can try that now, you can, you know,

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Speaker 1: and then if somebody is gonna be that guy who

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Speaker 2: All right, as you always say, Steve, planning is key.

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Speaker 2: Let's go around the NFL presented by Kalida Health, the

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Speaker 2: think during his tenure. But yeah, added some good pieces.

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Speaker 1: To that time. I thought he did. Now you know,

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Speaker 1: he missed on Zach Wilson, correct, I mean, you know

439
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Speaker 1: a lot whatever. They're hard to get those guys don't

440
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Speaker 1: come along very often, good quarterbacks. And he did make

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Speaker 1: the move for Rogers, which at the time we thought

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Speaker 1: everybody thought it's a great.

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Speaker 2: People had the Jets's division winners.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and we agreed. I mean, they were going to

445
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Speaker 1: be a tough out with Rogers, and then of course

446
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Speaker 1: it didn't. It didn't work out.

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Speaker 2: Like everything else for them. Last weekend, speaking of quarterbacks,

448
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Speaker 2: the forty nine Ers agreed to a five year, two

449
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Speaker 2: hundred and sixty five million dollar deal. It includes one

450
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Speaker 2: hundred and eighty one million guaranteed with quarterback Rock. Perty

451
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Speaker 2: contract averages fifty three million a year, matching the deal

452
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Speaker 2: signed by Tua Tongue, Ioloa and Jared Goff, which is

453
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Speaker 2: probably right where he should slide in. Josh Allen's extension,

454
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Speaker 2: signed earlier this offseason, averages fifty five million per season,

455
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Speaker 2: tied for second most in the league with Jordan Love,

456
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Speaker 2: Joe Burrow and Trevor Lawrence. Only Dak Prescott makes more

457
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Speaker 2: average annual salary. You know, Dak makes sixty million a year.

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Speaker 1: Don't care, it's crazy a thing. Yeah, he's not. He's

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Speaker 1: making sixty million a year and whenever you list him,

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Speaker 1: he's never for me, inside the top five quarterbacks in

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Speaker 1: the league. No, it's you know, Mahomes, Josh, Lamar, Joe

462
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Speaker 1: and for me it's Matt Stafford.

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Speaker 2: I don't think you'd get a lot of pushback on that.

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Speaker 1: You can say which want, but Stafford still getting it

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Speaker 1: done at his a. He's an old guy and that

466
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Speaker 1: would be the knock on him. But who, I mean,

467
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Speaker 1: who else is going to be in that? It's not

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Speaker 1: Dak Prescott. Jalen Hurts is you know, Jalen Hurts has

469
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Speaker 1: done more in less time.

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Speaker 2: He also has a better roster around him in all fairness.

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Speaker 1: But hey, Dak had some pretty good rosters too.

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Speaker 2: Yes, that is true.

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Speaker 1: I mean that, I mean you Dak. I mean who

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Speaker 1: do you take Dak Prescott or Baker? I don't know.

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Speaker 2: If you don't know, there's your question, there's your's not

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Speaker 2: my favorite.

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Speaker 1: I know, I know he's got whatever he's but still

478
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Speaker 1: that's who you're talking about, right, Really, would you take

479
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Speaker 1: Trevor Lawrence or Dak Prescott? Oh?

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Speaker 2: God, that's my choices. I mean you see the problem, right, Yes, yeah,

481
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Speaker 2: he's his second to third tier guy.

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Speaker 1: What about the guys in LA for the Chargers.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Herbert probably. I don't know. There's something missing with Herbert.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I get that. That's it. Well, there's something missing

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Speaker 1: with that too, well.

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Speaker 2: Yes, yes there is. So and he gets hurt.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean they're and he's he's top guy. Not

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Speaker 1: get it, he's the cowboys in there, you know. Okay,

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Speaker 1: all right, we can roll our eyes at him. But yeah,

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Speaker 1: I mean, come on, yeah, I it's it doesn't help

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Speaker 1: them to pay him sixty million.

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Speaker 2: I don't think it does. NFL owners meetings in Minneapolis

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Speaker 2: taking place over the next couple of days. On the

494
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Speaker 2: docket is the fate of the Tush push play after

495
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Speaker 2: it was table at the March meetings. The proposal is

496
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Speaker 2: expected to have expanded language banning pushing a teammate that's

497
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Speaker 2: a ball carrier in any fashion anywhere on the field,

498
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Speaker 2: not just on shore yardage your goal line plays. The

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Speaker 2: other big agenda item involves the Lion's proposal to seed

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Speaker 2: playoff team strictly by one loss record and not automatically

501
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Speaker 2: give the division winners the top four seeds in each conference.

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Speaker 2: There would also be reseeding after the wildcard round. And

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Speaker 2: they'll also vote on the terms to propose to the

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Speaker 2: NFLPA for players participating in flag football in the twenty

505
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Speaker 2: twenty eight Olympics in LA. So those meetings start tomorrow

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Speaker 2: and that involves our topic of discussion, which we need

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Speaker 2: to share with you at this time. Would you vote

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Speaker 2: yes or no on the NFL's upcoming vote to change

509
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Speaker 2: the playoff seeding rules and let us know why you

510
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Speaker 2: would vote one way or the other. Eight h three

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Speaker 2: oh five point fifty one eight eight eight five fifty

512
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Speaker 2: two five fifteen the numbers to get on board, so

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Speaker 2: you let us know where you would come down on that.

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Speaker 2: Leave the playoff seeding as it is one through seven

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Speaker 2: with the division winners getting the top four seeds and

516
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Speaker 2: a home playoff game. Obviously, the top seed gets to

517
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Speaker 2: buy no reseeding after the wildcard round or one through

518
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Speaker 2: seven on one loss record only, and in the event

519
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Speaker 2: of a tiebreaker, the division winner we get the tiebreaker

520
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Speaker 2: and host a playoff game. That's the only advantage they

521
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Speaker 2: would have. And then after the wildcard round you receive

522
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Speaker 2: them based on one lost record. So you let us

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Speaker 2: know which way you would vote on that, yes or no,

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Speaker 2: and tell us your reasoning behind said vote.

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Speaker 1: That means if you get a team like Minnesota who

526
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Speaker 1: pops into the playoffs at fifteen and two and gets

527
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Speaker 1: waxed in the wild card, they don't get everything gets

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Speaker 1: receded so that one of those even one of those

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Speaker 1: wildcard teams could jump up. I don't know if I

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Speaker 1: have I don't have a problem with any of this,

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Speaker 1: really no, because the league is hard to win in

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Speaker 1: and I get it too. We're all we're kind of

533
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Speaker 1: preoccupied with the difficulty of the schedule and all of that,

534
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Speaker 1: and I you know, one of the cool things about

535
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Speaker 1: doing what we do, we get a ton of research

536
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Speaker 1: sent to us, and like you talk about competitive balance,

537
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Speaker 1: there were last year teams that missed the playoffs in

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Speaker 1: the AFC where it started with the Bengals, when Bengals, Colts, Dolphins, Jets, Jaguars, Patriots, Raiders, Browns, Titans,

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Speaker 1: and the best one of those was the Bengals at

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Speaker 1: nine and eight. Everybody else was losing, had a losing record.

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Speaker 1: And I just think it's too hard to win. And

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Speaker 1: I don't care if you have the from this end

543
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Speaker 1: of the schedule, you've got the easiest schedule going forward

544
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Speaker 1: because of what they did last year. You know who

545
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Speaker 1: knows better than the Bills how that can change fast.

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Speaker 1: Your team this year is not going to be the

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Speaker 1: same as the team last year. It's hard to win.

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Speaker 1: I don't care if you start out the season with

549
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Speaker 1: the easiest schedule in the league. If you win games,

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Speaker 1: you should be rewarded for it.

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Speaker 2: Eight oh three, five point fifty one eight eight eight

552
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Speaker 2: five fifty two, five fifty those the numbers to jump

553
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Speaker 2: on board with us. We do have open lines for you.

554
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Speaker 2: Would you vote yes or no on the NFL's upcoming

555
00:27:52,800 --> 00:27:56,919
Speaker 2: vote to change the playoff seating. Let's go to the

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Speaker 2: phones and leading us off today is Judy and Buffalo.

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Speaker 2: What do you got for.

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Speaker 6: Well you don't. I don't care about the seedings. But

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Speaker 6: you know, for years I have said that our quarterback

560
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Speaker 6: is the best in the league. Unfortunately, this year they've

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Speaker 6: gotten him some some really good uh players that can

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Speaker 6: catch the ball and maybe make a difference. And also

563
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Speaker 6: on the defense, I think they've fortified the defense. So

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Speaker 6: it comes down to this, what is going on with

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Speaker 6: James Cook? Can we survive without James Cook? We have

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Speaker 6: the best line in in in the league. Maybe maybe

567
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Speaker 6: shorter one, but the best line. And can Johnson and

568
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Speaker 6: or Ray Davis make a difference if if he decides

569
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Speaker 6: to hold out or whatever's going on.

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Speaker 2: Okay, no problems, good question.

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Speaker 1: We don't know. We don't know what James Cook's thinking.

572
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Speaker 2: I'll tell you this. He knows he's got to play.

573
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Speaker 2: He's in the last year of his rookie deal. He

574
00:29:05,280 --> 00:29:07,440
Speaker 2: knows he has to play. The Bills know he has

575
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Speaker 2: to play if he wants to get the money he

576
00:29:09,320 --> 00:29:11,840
Speaker 2: wants to get, whether it's now on an extension with

577
00:29:11,920 --> 00:29:16,400
Speaker 2: the Bills or next offseason. He's got to play. You

578
00:29:16,480 --> 00:29:20,120
Speaker 2: can't git out the year. Then your contract doesn't toll.

579
00:29:20,840 --> 00:29:23,600
Speaker 2: You don't play six games, your contract doesn't toll, and

580
00:29:23,640 --> 00:29:25,320
Speaker 2: now you still have a year left on your contract

581
00:29:25,320 --> 00:29:28,480
Speaker 2: next year and running back. Running back careers are short

582
00:29:28,680 --> 00:29:31,800
Speaker 2: because it's a punishing position to play. The Bills know

583
00:29:31,880 --> 00:29:34,320
Speaker 2: he has to play games. James Cook knows he has

584
00:29:34,360 --> 00:29:37,280
Speaker 2: to play games if he's gonna increase his value. So

585
00:29:37,760 --> 00:29:40,240
Speaker 2: he may he may show up to camp and not

586
00:29:40,320 --> 00:29:43,720
Speaker 2: participate for a little while, but eventually he's gonna have

587
00:29:43,720 --> 00:29:46,239
Speaker 2: to suit up, practice, get ready for the season, and

588
00:29:46,280 --> 00:29:48,680
Speaker 2: be ready to go. It's just that simple.

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Speaker 1: The best case for James Cook. The best case scenario

590
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Speaker 1: for James Cook is that if he comes in and

591
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Speaker 1: plays and plays really well for the Bills, and the

592
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Speaker 1: Bills go on to do everything, they open dreams and

593
00:29:59,480 --> 00:30:01,520
Speaker 1: win the Super Bowl, the whole thing, and James Cook

594
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Speaker 1: as a cog in the machine. He's doing great. Because

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Speaker 1: here's the thing, He's got a better chance of doing

596
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Speaker 1: that for the Buffalo Bills because of his usage than

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Speaker 1: any place else. If he gets traded to another team

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Speaker 1: like Cincinnati or Jacksonville or whatever whatever, whatever team, and

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Speaker 1: the team gives him the ball and he doesn't ever

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Speaker 1: use him up, they're gonna use him up. He's got

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Speaker 1: to ask for touches in Buffalo. They rotated around with

602
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Speaker 1: Ray and Ray Davis, Ty Johnson, they rotated around. But

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Speaker 1: James Cook's the lead dog shining bright in that situation

604
00:30:37,240 --> 00:30:39,960
Speaker 1: is a twofold benefit for him. One, he's on a

605
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Speaker 1: great team and they're gonna get exposure, and he's gonna

606
00:30:42,160 --> 00:30:44,800
Speaker 1: get chances, and he's gonna make plays, and he's gonna

607
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Speaker 1: have the kind of numbers he had last year, which

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Speaker 1: were awesome. And secondly, he's not gonna be asked to

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Speaker 1: carry the ball three hundred and fifty times and and not.

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Speaker 1: And even if he had better numbers doing that, he's

611
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Speaker 1: used up. So you're better off hitting free agency with

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Speaker 1: a team coming in saying, man, if we used him

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Speaker 1: more than the Bills did, we're really gonna beget you know,

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Speaker 1: we'll get him. Let's go pay him and get him.

615
00:31:11,000 --> 00:31:13,600
Speaker 1: And we're gonna get that guy. And he's got tread

616
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Speaker 1: on the tires, right, So all of that stuff is

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Speaker 1: it spells good things for James Cook, but he's got

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Speaker 1: to play to get that.

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Speaker 2: I think I believe he knows he has to play

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Speaker 2: to get the big contract he wants. And look, I

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Speaker 2: wouldn't rule it out. I wouldn't rule it out happening

622
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Speaker 2: with the Bills, maybe even right before the season. Brandon

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00:31:31,960 --> 00:31:35,280
Speaker 2: Bean's done that before, where he's re signed guys in

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Speaker 2: house to contract extensions. Look, when you got to reduce

625
00:31:38,200 --> 00:31:42,680
Speaker 2: this roster down, you might be clipping some guys from

626
00:31:42,720 --> 00:31:47,920
Speaker 2: this roster with pretty respectable and sizable contracts. It may

627
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Speaker 2: create the cap space you need to get a deal

628
00:31:51,480 --> 00:31:54,840
Speaker 2: done with him now. Really the rub here is what

629
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Speaker 2: he believes his value is and what the Bills believe

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Speaker 2: his value is to the team. There's a disconnect there.

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Speaker 2: Whether they can bridge that gap remains to be seen.

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Speaker 2: But I think he knows he has to play, and

633
00:32:04,360 --> 00:32:06,320
Speaker 2: so do the Bills. We do have to take a

634
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Speaker 2: break though. We're over here, so we'll have more on that.

635
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Speaker 2: But we also want to talk playoff seating because we've

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Speaker 2: got an upcoming league vote on whether to change the

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Speaker 2: playoff seating. Your phone calls next here on One Bill's Live, Stay.

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Speaker 7: With us.

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Speaker 2: All right back here on One Bills Live Monday edition

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Speaker 2: and asking you would you vote yes or no on

641
00:32:38,920 --> 00:32:43,000
Speaker 2: the NFL's upcoming vote to change the playoff seating the

642
00:32:43,160 --> 00:32:47,240
Speaker 2: Lion's proposal that'll be before ownership either tomorrow or the

643
00:32:47,280 --> 00:32:52,920
Speaker 2: next day, would basically take out the benefit of winning

644
00:32:52,960 --> 00:32:56,239
Speaker 2: your division in terms of hosting a playoff game. You

645
00:32:56,320 --> 00:32:59,040
Speaker 2: see the teams one through seven based on one loss

646
00:32:59,080 --> 00:33:03,720
Speaker 2: record only, So if there's a quote unquote wild card

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Speaker 2: team that has a better record than a division winner,

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Speaker 2: they are seated ahead of them. Simple as that. The

649
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Speaker 2: only way a division title helps your case is if

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Speaker 2: you're in a tiebreaker with a wildcard team, and since

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Speaker 2: you win your division, you would get the seed over

652
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Speaker 2: them in a tie breaking situation. You like it, you

653
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Speaker 2: don't like it, tell us why eight oh three, oh

654
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Speaker 2: five fifty one eight eight five fifty two, five fifty

655
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Speaker 2: those are the numbers to join us, and we do

656
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Speaker 2: have open lines for you. But we go back to

657
00:33:33,160 --> 00:33:36,560
Speaker 2: the phones and to Billy and Toronto and expit's up. Billy.

658
00:33:36,760 --> 00:33:39,280
Speaker 8: Yeah, I don't like it at all. I'll tell you,

659
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Speaker 8: I'll tell you what I would do, and I don't.

660
00:33:41,440 --> 00:33:43,520
Speaker 8: I don't care. If you win the division, you win

661
00:33:43,600 --> 00:33:46,440
Speaker 8: the division and there's seven teams that have better records.

662
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Speaker 8: Let's say one division has four strong teams. I'm not

663
00:33:50,080 --> 00:33:52,840
Speaker 8: putting the division winner in the playoffs. Give me the

664
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Speaker 8: seven best teams I mean, let's face it, if a

665
00:33:56,240 --> 00:34:00,920
Speaker 8: division winner is eight to nine, big play, they've played

666
00:34:01,280 --> 00:34:04,760
Speaker 8: six of their games against their own week division. And

667
00:34:04,800 --> 00:34:07,040
Speaker 8: if they've only got an eight to nine record, I

668
00:34:07,160 --> 00:34:09,560
Speaker 8: say you go with the seven best and then just

669
00:34:09,680 --> 00:34:12,880
Speaker 8: keep receding, always top against bottom, where the top team

670
00:34:13,440 --> 00:34:16,480
Speaker 8: the top team gets the you know, the bottom scene.

671
00:34:16,480 --> 00:34:17,239
Speaker 8: That's how I see it.

672
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I get what you're saying, Billy. I was talking

673
00:34:19,960 --> 00:34:22,239
Speaker 2: about this last week when we had NFL Networks Judy

674
00:34:22,280 --> 00:34:25,560
Speaker 2: Batista on. I thought a good way to kind of

675
00:34:25,560 --> 00:34:29,640
Speaker 2: amend that proposal is to and get more people to

676
00:34:29,680 --> 00:34:33,120
Speaker 2: buy in, is to basically say, if you are a

677
00:34:33,120 --> 00:34:37,279
Speaker 2: division winner and your record is under five hundred, you

678
00:34:37,360 --> 00:34:40,000
Speaker 2: do not host a playoff game. You could still make

679
00:34:40,040 --> 00:34:42,040
Speaker 2: the playoffs by virtue of winning your division, but you

680
00:34:42,080 --> 00:34:46,200
Speaker 2: don't host a playoff game provided other teams have better

681
00:34:46,239 --> 00:34:47,719
Speaker 2: records than you, and the wildcard pool.

682
00:34:48,000 --> 00:34:54,160
Speaker 1: The division system that the league has always used lent

683
00:34:54,280 --> 00:34:58,719
Speaker 1: itself to great rivalries, which still holds some weight in

684
00:34:58,760 --> 00:35:01,719
Speaker 1: the league, even though it is a you know, the

685
00:35:01,880 --> 00:35:06,520
Speaker 1: worst draft first and the best draft last, and everything

686
00:35:06,560 --> 00:35:09,640
Speaker 1: is mixed up, and the formula. I mean, if you want,

687
00:35:09,719 --> 00:35:11,759
Speaker 1: if you want some interesting reading. Go back and look

688
00:35:11,760 --> 00:35:14,840
Speaker 1: at the formula for how they draw up the schedule.

689
00:35:15,320 --> 00:35:21,640
Speaker 1: It's it's extensive. I mean it's let's see here, I'll

690
00:35:21,680 --> 00:35:26,520
Speaker 1: read it to you. Home field schedule, inequities, inequities to

691
00:35:26,560 --> 00:35:29,600
Speaker 1: open the season. They break this down any way you

692
00:35:29,640 --> 00:35:34,200
Speaker 1: want divisions. Here we go schedule formula. First, you get

693
00:35:34,239 --> 00:35:36,920
Speaker 1: six division games. Then you get four games versus opponents

694
00:35:36,960 --> 00:35:40,120
Speaker 1: outside of division in the same conference. Then you get

695
00:35:40,120 --> 00:35:43,600
Speaker 1: four games versus opponents outside of the division opposite conference.

696
00:35:43,800 --> 00:35:46,360
Speaker 1: Then you get two games versus opponents in the same

697
00:35:46,480 --> 00:35:50,360
Speaker 1: conference based on prior year standings, and one game versus

698
00:35:50,360 --> 00:35:54,319
Speaker 1: opponent outside the conference based on prior year standings. And

699
00:35:54,560 --> 00:36:00,359
Speaker 1: all this goes into the divisions, and it's they've got

700
00:36:00,360 --> 00:36:02,160
Speaker 1: it all mapped out. That's why we know who they're

701
00:36:02,160 --> 00:36:05,160
Speaker 1: gonna play in this coming year. We just don't know

702
00:36:05,200 --> 00:36:09,680
Speaker 1: the order because it depends. Like, for instance, the Bills

703
00:36:10,040 --> 00:36:12,920
Speaker 1: next year will play the other division, which will be

704
00:36:13,040 --> 00:36:15,080
Speaker 1: I think the it won't be the South, it'll be

705
00:36:15,880 --> 00:36:18,359
Speaker 1: the North South East. Probably it won't be the East

706
00:36:18,440 --> 00:36:22,160
Speaker 1: either we played it might be the East NFC East.

707
00:36:22,400 --> 00:36:24,520
Speaker 1: So you're gonna find out, you know who you're gonna play,

708
00:36:24,520 --> 00:36:27,719
Speaker 1: except you don't know which team because if Washington finishes last,

709
00:36:27,760 --> 00:36:30,200
Speaker 1: the Bills probably won't play them, and that kind of.

710
00:36:30,200 --> 00:36:33,000
Speaker 2: Well, if you're playing that whole division, you are, oh

711
00:36:33,040 --> 00:36:35,040
Speaker 2: that's right, yeah, and home and away.

712
00:36:36,360 --> 00:36:40,719
Speaker 1: That's why they're playing the Carolina, the New Orleans and

713
00:36:40,719 --> 00:36:45,759
Speaker 1: all that stuff. This I don't know. I don't want

714
00:36:45,960 --> 00:36:49,880
Speaker 1: non divisional league yet. I think you want a division.

715
00:36:49,960 --> 00:36:52,440
Speaker 1: And if you want a division, which means you get

716
00:36:52,440 --> 00:36:54,399
Speaker 1: the Miami Dolphins, you get the Patriots, you get the Jets,

717
00:36:54,440 --> 00:36:57,799
Speaker 1: you get these rivalries you've had over the years, and

718
00:36:57,880 --> 00:37:00,400
Speaker 1: you get all that. But if you do that, go

719
00:37:00,480 --> 00:37:03,920
Speaker 1: down that road without those, I don't know what you

720
00:37:04,040 --> 00:37:04,600
Speaker 1: gain anything.

721
00:37:04,600 --> 00:37:07,479
Speaker 2: You're still gonna have divisions. Just winning your division title

722
00:37:07,520 --> 00:37:09,040
Speaker 2: is gonna mean a whole hell of a lot less.

723
00:37:09,160 --> 00:37:11,279
Speaker 2: Why even have divisions that well, you might as well

724
00:37:11,320 --> 00:37:13,560
Speaker 2: just have a thirty two team league and everybody plays

725
00:37:13,600 --> 00:37:18,440
Speaker 2: everybody and whatever. You know, Like, seriously, why to me?

726
00:37:18,719 --> 00:37:20,279
Speaker 2: That's what some people are gonna do in the room.

727
00:37:20,320 --> 00:37:23,000
Speaker 2: I think tomorrow or Wednesday they're gonna throw their hands

728
00:37:23,040 --> 00:37:24,839
Speaker 2: up and say, well, why I have divisions? Anyway? Why

729
00:37:24,880 --> 00:37:27,600
Speaker 2: you bother having divisions? If you're winning a division title

730
00:37:28,040 --> 00:37:31,000
Speaker 2: doesn't get you anything but a tiebreaker. The hell are

731
00:37:31,040 --> 00:37:31,319
Speaker 2: we doing?

732
00:37:31,520 --> 00:37:37,480
Speaker 1: You will get significant pushback. Well, listen, you'll get significant

733
00:37:37,520 --> 00:37:42,600
Speaker 1: pushback the exact moment it starts to get difficult to

734
00:37:42,640 --> 00:37:45,759
Speaker 1: sell tickets to the bills Arizona Cardinals game or the

735
00:37:45,800 --> 00:37:46,879
Speaker 1: Bill's New Orleans game.

736
00:37:47,440 --> 00:37:52,839
Speaker 2: The selling point for this playoff seeding change to the

737
00:37:52,920 --> 00:37:57,239
Speaker 2: ownership is as follows. They are pushing it under the

738
00:37:57,280 --> 00:38:02,480
Speaker 2: guise of if you don't have have teams with division

739
00:38:02,560 --> 00:38:06,400
Speaker 2: titles locked up with three games to go, like the

740
00:38:06,400 --> 00:38:11,239
Speaker 2: Bills did last year, you get more entertaining football at

741
00:38:11,239 --> 00:38:14,759
Speaker 2: the end of the season because now the Bills are

742
00:38:14,760 --> 00:38:18,000
Speaker 2: no longer just competing against the teams in their own division.

743
00:38:18,480 --> 00:38:22,520
Speaker 2: They're competing against everybody else in the AFC. And even

744
00:38:22,560 --> 00:38:25,920
Speaker 2: if the Chiefs are fifteen and one and the Bills

745
00:38:26,000 --> 00:38:30,880
Speaker 2: are fourteen and two, but the Chargers are fourteen and two, also,

746
00:38:32,280 --> 00:38:34,799
Speaker 2: you're in direct competition with them even if you win

747
00:38:34,880 --> 00:38:38,319
Speaker 2: your division under the new seeding rules, because it goes

748
00:38:38,320 --> 00:38:39,680
Speaker 2: on one loss record only.

749
00:38:40,160 --> 00:38:43,879
Speaker 1: The big carrot right now, and the one that got

750
00:38:43,920 --> 00:38:47,560
Speaker 1: taken away when they went to seven teams in the playoffs,

751
00:38:47,640 --> 00:38:50,319
Speaker 1: is the bye week you had two teams getting a buy.

752
00:38:50,719 --> 00:38:51,799
Speaker 1: Now you've only got one.

753
00:38:53,239 --> 00:38:57,760
Speaker 2: Well, right, but their whole, their whole angle and campaign

754
00:38:57,800 --> 00:39:00,120
Speaker 2: angle to get this pushed through is to tell the

755
00:39:00,120 --> 00:39:02,120
Speaker 2: the TV networks are not happy because you got people

756
00:39:02,200 --> 00:39:05,040
Speaker 2: sitting players out. You had three teams doing it last year.

757
00:39:05,160 --> 00:39:08,640
Speaker 2: Philly did it, Buffalo did it, and Kansas City did it.

758
00:39:08,760 --> 00:39:12,440
Speaker 2: They sacked guys week eighteen. And that is not what

759
00:39:12,480 --> 00:39:15,640
Speaker 2: the league wants because they know their television partners aren't happy.

760
00:39:15,680 --> 00:39:18,360
Speaker 2: You know, the ones paying tens of billions of dollars. Yeah,

761
00:39:18,400 --> 00:39:22,239
Speaker 2: so that when you push an initiative with that as

762
00:39:22,280 --> 00:39:26,560
Speaker 2: the backdrop behind it, it gets attention, ears perk up. Yeah,

763
00:39:26,680 --> 00:39:28,120
Speaker 2: because they know that's the cash cow.

764
00:39:28,320 --> 00:39:32,440
Speaker 1: I get it. I mean that's fine, But here's the and.

765
00:39:32,880 --> 00:39:35,480
Speaker 1: And I'm all for competitive football right down to Week eighteen.

766
00:39:36,000 --> 00:39:38,680
Speaker 1: I mean, who knows better than the Bills. And you

767
00:39:38,680 --> 00:39:41,480
Speaker 1: think back at that, that moment maybe one of the

768
00:39:41,480 --> 00:39:43,840
Speaker 1: great moments in fact, no, I'm not gonna say maybe

769
00:39:43,920 --> 00:39:47,800
Speaker 1: it was one of the great moments in team history.

770
00:39:48,080 --> 00:39:51,960
Speaker 1: Was the moment they broke the drought. And you can say, well,

771
00:39:52,000 --> 00:39:54,560
Speaker 1: that's not a big it was a big deal. It

772
00:39:54,680 --> 00:39:57,520
Speaker 1: was a big deal because of the way it happened

773
00:39:57,640 --> 00:40:00,279
Speaker 1: and the technology involved, and the fact that the game

774
00:40:00,320 --> 00:40:03,400
Speaker 1: of the Buffalo Bills was over and everybody in Bill's

775
00:40:03,440 --> 00:40:05,640
Speaker 1: Mafia and the team and the locker room and the

776
00:40:05,640 --> 00:40:08,799
Speaker 1: fan base and the executives and the owner all the

777
00:40:08,800 --> 00:40:12,319
Speaker 1: way down to Slick Rick in the mailroom, we were

778
00:40:12,360 --> 00:40:18,240
Speaker 1: watching that together, the fan base, the team, the players.

779
00:40:18,680 --> 00:40:21,520
Speaker 1: That was a moment above all moments when we finally

780
00:40:21,560 --> 00:40:26,200
Speaker 1: broke through. That's week eighteen, and that's what you want

781
00:40:26,200 --> 00:40:26,600
Speaker 1: and we can.

782
00:40:26,600 --> 00:40:28,880
Speaker 2: Well, that's what the NFL wants Week eighteen to be.

783
00:40:29,200 --> 00:40:32,640
Speaker 1: Right all the time, all the time. So I'm and listen,

784
00:40:32,680 --> 00:40:35,040
Speaker 1: I'll make some sacrifices for that if we can have

785
00:40:35,160 --> 00:40:36,880
Speaker 1: more of that, even if it's not for the Bills,

786
00:40:36,880 --> 00:40:40,359
Speaker 1: if it's for you know whoever, the Seahawks who care,

787
00:40:40,520 --> 00:40:46,120
Speaker 1: those moments are priceless. So I don't I think you

788
00:40:46,160 --> 00:40:51,760
Speaker 1: can tilt the scheduling and the seating and YadA YadA

789
00:40:51,760 --> 00:40:53,560
Speaker 1: on all this stuff we're talking about in a way

790
00:40:53,560 --> 00:40:57,359
Speaker 1: that makes that more likely. But dude, that's there's some

791
00:40:57,480 --> 00:41:01,440
Speaker 1: variables in there. You're not gonna you can't like script it.

792
00:41:02,239 --> 00:41:05,279
Speaker 1: And despite the tenfoil hats out there. The thing is

793
00:41:05,280 --> 00:41:05,920
Speaker 1: all scripted.

794
00:41:06,719 --> 00:41:09,279
Speaker 2: Let's squeeze in Kevin and Hamburg here before the break.

795
00:41:09,280 --> 00:41:09,959
Speaker 2: What do you got Kevin?

796
00:41:10,040 --> 00:41:12,120
Speaker 3: Hey, guys, how you doing? Thanks for taking my call. Yeah,

797
00:41:13,000 --> 00:41:16,000
Speaker 3: I don't want to see that. We've seen the last

798
00:41:16,040 --> 00:41:18,799
Speaker 3: couple of years a few times where a team who,

799
00:41:18,960 --> 00:41:22,879
Speaker 3: save example, eight to nine, like the Seahawks once were

800
00:41:23,880 --> 00:41:27,399
Speaker 3: hosts the team who's twelve and four just because the

801
00:41:27,440 --> 00:41:30,960
Speaker 3: Seahawks barely got into the playoffs and won the division

802
00:41:31,200 --> 00:41:34,720
Speaker 3: because the other team stunk anyway, and then the home

803
00:41:34,800 --> 00:41:39,920
Speaker 3: team got spanked horribly like forty to fourteen because they

804
00:41:39,960 --> 00:41:42,200
Speaker 3: weren't good enough to be in the playoffs, but because

805
00:41:42,239 --> 00:41:44,799
Speaker 3: they won the division, they got in and he got

806
00:41:44,800 --> 00:41:48,400
Speaker 3: a massacred. The game was over by a third quarter

807
00:41:48,480 --> 00:41:52,080
Speaker 3: even started. That was vomitas. And I want to bring

808
00:41:52,160 --> 00:41:53,839
Speaker 3: up about the Bill's schedule next year?

809
00:41:53,880 --> 00:41:54,759
Speaker 2: Is that right? Yeah?

810
00:41:55,840 --> 00:42:00,279
Speaker 3: Now, okay, give me correct me if I'm wrong. In eighteen,

811
00:42:01,320 --> 00:42:04,600
Speaker 3: which would be what how many we played the NFC

812
00:42:04,640 --> 00:42:08,520
Speaker 3: North Josh's first year, and then in twenty twenty two

813
00:42:09,040 --> 00:42:12,840
Speaker 3: we played the NFC NORM Packers Vikings. Well, shouldn't it

814
00:42:12,880 --> 00:42:15,440
Speaker 3: be next year that we played the NFC North again?

815
00:42:16,239 --> 00:42:19,520
Speaker 3: Just like this year, we played the NBC South in

816
00:42:19,600 --> 00:42:22,720
Speaker 3: twenty one. We played the South in seventeen, so shouldn't

817
00:42:22,760 --> 00:42:24,239
Speaker 3: next year we played the NFC North.

818
00:42:24,360 --> 00:42:25,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, we might be mistaken.

819
00:42:26,160 --> 00:42:27,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, you might be right.

820
00:42:27,480 --> 00:42:29,680
Speaker 2: I've got let's see here, twenty twenty.

821
00:42:29,360 --> 00:42:31,240
Speaker 1: Two is the point I was trying to make abowty

822
00:42:31,280 --> 00:42:33,440
Speaker 1: twenty two, the SAXT schedule. The point was that we're

823
00:42:33,440 --> 00:42:40,000
Speaker 1: going to play somebody else, and the division stuff matters

824
00:42:40,080 --> 00:42:43,040
Speaker 1: a lot because of your schedule is dictated by it.

825
00:42:43,239 --> 00:42:47,920
Speaker 2: Yeah. So yeah, twenty twenty two, you're right, they played

826
00:42:48,080 --> 00:42:53,600
Speaker 2: NFC North and they played let me see here, looks

827
00:42:53,640 --> 00:42:57,880
Speaker 2: like West. They played AFC.

828
00:42:59,120 --> 00:43:03,440
Speaker 1: They played the Bengals, they played the Ravens zones.

829
00:43:03,600 --> 00:43:09,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, so they played AFC North and NFC North, So yeah,

830
00:43:09,120 --> 00:43:11,600
Speaker 2: that would probably be next year. Then AFC North NFC

831
00:43:11,640 --> 00:43:16,760
Speaker 2: North for twenty twenty six. So yeah, I couldn't remember

832
00:43:16,760 --> 00:43:18,080
Speaker 2: off the top of my head which one it was.

833
00:43:18,680 --> 00:43:20,759
Speaker 2: We gotta we gotta take a break here, But we

834
00:43:20,800 --> 00:43:25,120
Speaker 2: are talking the rule proposal by the Lions, which is

835
00:43:25,160 --> 00:43:28,040
Speaker 2: gonna go before a vote of the NFL's ownership either

836
00:43:28,080 --> 00:43:31,960
Speaker 2: tomorrow or Wednesday in Minneapolis, to change the playoff seating

837
00:43:32,280 --> 00:43:35,680
Speaker 2: to just best one loss record one through seven division winners.

838
00:43:35,719 --> 00:43:38,319
Speaker 2: Be damned you let us know you're voting yes for

839
00:43:38,400 --> 00:43:40,759
Speaker 2: that or no? Tell us why eight oh three oh

840
00:43:40,840 --> 00:43:43,120
Speaker 2: five point fifty one eighty eight five fifty two five

841
00:43:43,239 --> 00:43:45,279
Speaker 2: fifty more of your phone calls? Next here on one

842
00:43:45,320 --> 00:43:59,040
Speaker 2: Bill's Live. All right, back here on one Bill's Live

843
00:43:59,040 --> 00:44:01,160
Speaker 2: on a Monday, Chris Brown's Task It with You, asking

844
00:44:01,160 --> 00:44:04,040
Speaker 2: you would you vote yes or no on the NFL's

845
00:44:04,160 --> 00:44:09,760
Speaker 2: upcoming vote to change the playoff seting Lion's proposal says

846
00:44:10,280 --> 00:44:13,160
Speaker 2: to heck with division winners, we're going one loss record

847
00:44:13,200 --> 00:44:17,880
Speaker 2: one through seven, let's go, and they'll be reseeding after

848
00:44:17,920 --> 00:44:21,160
Speaker 2: the wild card round. So that would have changed the

849
00:44:21,280 --> 00:44:28,160
Speaker 2: NFC playoff matchups last year after the wildcard round, because

850
00:44:29,000 --> 00:44:33,279
Speaker 2: last year in the NFC, you saw Washington win as

851
00:44:33,320 --> 00:44:37,719
Speaker 2: a sixth seed to advance to the second round. They

852
00:44:37,800 --> 00:44:43,200
Speaker 2: ended up playing Detroit, where under reseeding rules they would

853
00:44:43,239 --> 00:44:46,719
Speaker 2: have leapfroged Los Angeles, who won their first round playoff game.

854
00:44:47,320 --> 00:44:49,680
Speaker 2: But Los Angeles as a division winner was ten and

855
00:44:49,719 --> 00:44:52,560
Speaker 2: seven Washington as a wild card was twelve and five,

856
00:44:53,440 --> 00:44:56,840
Speaker 2: they would have leapfrogged them in the receedings, the Rams

857
00:44:56,880 --> 00:45:01,720
Speaker 2: would have gone to Detroit and Washington would have played Philadelphia.

858
00:45:01,840 --> 00:45:04,680
Speaker 1: If you do that, the NFC was a mess last year.

859
00:45:04,760 --> 00:45:09,000
Speaker 1: Could because Green Bay and Washington and Minnesota, all three

860
00:45:09,080 --> 00:45:13,720
Speaker 1: wild cards would have been above the South champion, NFC

861
00:45:13,800 --> 00:45:17,600
Speaker 1: South champion and the LA RAM champion. So the two

862
00:45:17,680 --> 00:45:20,120
Speaker 1: division winners in Tampa Bay and LA would have been

863
00:45:20,160 --> 00:45:22,680
Speaker 1: seven and eight seed, and Green Bay and Washington and

864
00:45:22,719 --> 00:45:25,279
Speaker 1: Minnesota would have all been up there. If you do

865
00:45:25,400 --> 00:45:28,440
Speaker 1: that right after the season, it would have really thrown

866
00:45:28,480 --> 00:45:32,120
Speaker 1: a wrench into how that came out last year. Totally

867
00:45:32,120 --> 00:45:34,920
Speaker 1: different matchups in the playoff round.

868
00:45:35,040 --> 00:45:37,799
Speaker 2: And Detroit's a team that's submitting this proposal, and they

869
00:45:37,800 --> 00:45:38,560
Speaker 2: had the one seed in.

870
00:45:38,560 --> 00:45:42,799
Speaker 1: The bye last year, right right, So I see it

871
00:45:43,120 --> 00:45:45,520
Speaker 1: in years like this, Yes, it makes a big difference.

872
00:45:45,719 --> 00:45:48,320
Speaker 2: But think about Minnesota last year. Think about Minnesota.

873
00:45:48,400 --> 00:45:48,879
Speaker 1: Last year.

874
00:45:49,120 --> 00:45:52,319
Speaker 2: Minnesota goes fourteen and three, they're in the hunt for

875
00:45:52,360 --> 00:45:55,400
Speaker 2: the one seed. In the last week of the season,

876
00:45:55,440 --> 00:45:59,400
Speaker 2: they played Detroit. They lose, and instead of having the

877
00:45:59,440 --> 00:46:01,960
Speaker 2: one seed, they have got a five seed, and they're.

878
00:46:01,760 --> 00:46:04,479
Speaker 1: On the road a bye instead of a bye at home,

879
00:46:04,600 --> 00:46:06,800
Speaker 1: they're on the road. They're on the road Week one

880
00:46:07,640 --> 00:46:12,200
Speaker 1: in LA Cross Country. That stinks and they lost. Yeah,

881
00:46:12,320 --> 00:46:16,440
Speaker 1: that stinks that Yeah, but you think also you go

882
00:46:16,520 --> 00:46:19,800
Speaker 1: up to the AFC, everything is as it was. Everything

883
00:46:19,840 --> 00:46:22,560
Speaker 1: goes right down the line. It goes from Kansas City

884
00:46:22,560 --> 00:46:25,200
Speaker 1: at fifteen and two through Buffalo and Baltimore, which are

885
00:46:25,760 --> 00:46:28,000
Speaker 1: thirteen and four, twelve and five ercent The only change

886
00:46:28,040 --> 00:46:30,800
Speaker 1: would have been Houston and LA Chargers at the fourth

887
00:46:30,800 --> 00:46:33,439
Speaker 1: seed at the as the South champions at ten and seven.

888
00:46:33,520 --> 00:46:35,400
Speaker 1: The Chargers would have flip flopped with him at eleven

889
00:46:35,400 --> 00:46:35,920
Speaker 1: and six.

890
00:46:35,760 --> 00:46:38,120
Speaker 2: So the game would have been in La instead of

891
00:46:38,120 --> 00:46:38,720
Speaker 2: that Houston.

892
00:46:39,239 --> 00:46:42,000
Speaker 1: That's right, think about think about that.

893
00:46:43,520 --> 00:46:45,480
Speaker 2: It's not nothing, it's not.

894
00:46:45,160 --> 00:46:50,680
Speaker 1: Nothing, But what's it due to my game in you know,

895
00:46:51,320 --> 00:46:53,400
Speaker 1: well last year, what's a due to my game on

896
00:46:53,520 --> 00:46:59,319
Speaker 1: opening weekend when you know, instead of playing whoever it is?

897
00:47:00,600 --> 00:47:02,360
Speaker 2: Well, well, it doesn't have as much to do with

898
00:47:02,440 --> 00:47:04,120
Speaker 2: that as it does to the end of the year.

899
00:47:04,760 --> 00:47:08,120
Speaker 2: Because the Houston Texans last year, they go into Week

900
00:47:08,160 --> 00:47:10,880
Speaker 2: eighteen and they're locked into the fourth seed. It can't

901
00:47:11,000 --> 00:47:14,880
Speaker 2: change because of what the division winners are awarded in

902
00:47:14,920 --> 00:47:18,160
Speaker 2: this adjustice. So here's an example. In the adjusted system.

903
00:47:18,239 --> 00:47:21,040
Speaker 2: Last year, if you had playoff seating goes one through

904
00:47:21,080 --> 00:47:24,319
Speaker 2: seven based on one loss record. Only the Texans going

905
00:47:24,360 --> 00:47:27,160
Speaker 2: into Week eighteen could have been the four, the five,

906
00:47:27,280 --> 00:47:31,160
Speaker 2: the six, or the seventh seed. Now you're playing a win, right,

907
00:47:31,520 --> 00:47:33,759
Speaker 2: instead of being knowing you're locked into the four. Oh,

908
00:47:33,760 --> 00:47:36,480
Speaker 2: we don't have to play everybody. The Rams last year

909
00:47:36,560 --> 00:47:39,000
Speaker 2: go into Week eighteen knowing they're either going to be

910
00:47:39,040 --> 00:47:41,680
Speaker 2: the three or the four in the NFC in the

911
00:47:41,719 --> 00:47:45,120
Speaker 2: adjusted system. Last year, if it existed, they could have

912
00:47:45,120 --> 00:47:46,799
Speaker 2: been the four, five, six, or seven.

913
00:47:47,040 --> 00:47:50,520
Speaker 1: Do the Bills go into last year when Josh famously

914
00:47:51,080 --> 00:47:54,240
Speaker 1: took one snap and came out and they lose sixteen

915
00:47:54,280 --> 00:47:59,279
Speaker 1: to twenty three to the Patriots in New England? Do

916
00:47:59,320 --> 00:48:01,279
Speaker 1: you think they pulled that out and go fourteen and

917
00:48:01,320 --> 00:48:03,440
Speaker 1: three to retain their seed.

918
00:48:04,440 --> 00:48:07,520
Speaker 2: Well, I'm trying to remember when Baltimore played their game

919
00:48:07,680 --> 00:48:12,239
Speaker 2: in Week eighteen, because the Bills had the head to

920
00:48:12,280 --> 00:48:14,480
Speaker 2: head on Baltimore. But that's the other part.

921
00:48:14,560 --> 00:48:15,600
Speaker 1: They didn't the Baltimore had.

922
00:48:15,880 --> 00:48:17,279
Speaker 2: Baltimore had the head to head on them, so they

923
00:48:17,320 --> 00:48:19,759
Speaker 2: knew they had to finish a game ahead of them.

924
00:48:20,600 --> 00:48:23,520
Speaker 2: They played a simultaneously, but Baltimore I think went into

925
00:48:23,560 --> 00:48:25,800
Speaker 2: the final week of the season at eleven and five,

926
00:48:26,640 --> 00:48:30,040
Speaker 2: so they couldn't catch Buffalo even if Buffalo lost. That's

927
00:48:30,080 --> 00:48:32,759
Speaker 2: how I remember it, I think too. Yeah, but here's

928
00:48:32,800 --> 00:48:37,160
Speaker 2: the other thing that's part of this new playoff seating rule.

929
00:48:37,480 --> 00:48:41,200
Speaker 2: They're throwing out head to heads, throwing it out it's

930
00:48:41,239 --> 00:48:44,320
Speaker 2: just going by. Yeah, I think the only tie breaker

931
00:48:44,400 --> 00:48:46,560
Speaker 2: was is the team wins the division. I'll go read

932
00:48:46,600 --> 00:48:50,719
Speaker 2: all the language again, but the tiebreaker is if you

933
00:48:50,760 --> 00:48:52,680
Speaker 2: win your division, you have the same record as somebody

934
00:48:52,719 --> 00:48:54,880
Speaker 2: else that didn't win theirs, you advance, you get the

935
00:48:54,920 --> 00:49:00,400
Speaker 2: tiebreaker edge in the seating. So yeah, it's I got

936
00:49:00,440 --> 00:49:02,200
Speaker 2: to read all the language. It's a little squirrely.

937
00:49:02,360 --> 00:49:05,279
Speaker 1: But what I want to know is, and I can't

938
00:49:05,320 --> 00:49:08,920
Speaker 1: really get it from our scenarios we're spinning out, what

939
00:49:09,120 --> 00:49:14,440
Speaker 1: does it change for the importance of division wins except that.

940
00:49:14,960 --> 00:49:16,640
Speaker 2: Well total one loss record.

941
00:49:16,400 --> 00:49:18,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, you play you play that team twice.

942
00:49:18,560 --> 00:49:22,279
Speaker 2: Yeah. It hasn't been spelled out whether conference record is

943
00:49:22,280 --> 00:49:25,279
Speaker 2: still being used as a qualifying tie breaker under this

944
00:49:25,320 --> 00:49:28,279
Speaker 2: new proposal or any of that. So we'll have to

945
00:49:28,280 --> 00:49:29,879
Speaker 2: dig into the nuts and bolts of it a little

946
00:49:29,880 --> 00:49:35,319
Speaker 2: bit more. It would change things, and I think for

947
00:49:35,400 --> 00:49:40,520
Speaker 2: the league with their television and streaming partners, knowing that

948
00:49:40,680 --> 00:49:46,080
Speaker 2: could create better Week eighteen quality of product, the owners

949
00:49:46,080 --> 00:49:47,840
Speaker 2: are going to consider it. I think there's going to

950
00:49:47,920 --> 00:49:49,160
Speaker 2: be some consideration for this.

951
00:49:49,480 --> 00:49:52,680
Speaker 1: It won't Yeah, they won't throw it out on its ear. Well,

952
00:49:52,719 --> 00:49:55,239
Speaker 1: it got put on the agenda, so you know that

953
00:49:55,320 --> 00:50:00,319
Speaker 1: somebody's talking about it. I've long said, and maybe because

954
00:50:00,320 --> 00:50:03,480
Speaker 1: we have been involved in one for a minute. The

955
00:50:03,560 --> 00:50:05,400
Speaker 1: Chiefs is a huge rivalry for the Bills. They're not

956
00:50:05,480 --> 00:50:09,280
Speaker 1: even in the division, right I don't have a problem

957
00:50:09,320 --> 00:50:12,160
Speaker 1: with that. It's one game, it's not two, you know.

958
00:50:12,760 --> 00:50:17,759
Speaker 1: I'm I'm kind of of the mind that if you're

959
00:50:17,760 --> 00:50:19,399
Speaker 1: going to do that, you know, the number one team

960
00:50:19,440 --> 00:50:23,560
Speaker 1: in the league plays the number two through the number

961
00:50:24,160 --> 00:50:29,279
Speaker 1: you know sixteen, there are seventeen ranked team from a

962
00:50:29,360 --> 00:50:32,480
Speaker 1: year before, and then the number three seed, the number

963
00:50:32,480 --> 00:50:37,560
Speaker 1: two seed plays the one and everybody through eighteen, you

964
00:50:37,600 --> 00:50:39,920
Speaker 1: know what I mean, And the bottom teams in the

965
00:50:40,000 --> 00:50:44,160
Speaker 1: league play the opposite way. They play the other way.

966
00:50:44,280 --> 00:50:47,240
Speaker 1: I don't know. It'd be hard to get that formula.

967
00:50:47,360 --> 00:50:50,080
Speaker 2: It would change the dynamics of the end of the season,

968
00:50:50,200 --> 00:50:53,200
Speaker 2: regular season play and the decisions made therein to sit

969
00:50:53,280 --> 00:50:55,279
Speaker 2: starters when you have a division locked up, because it

970
00:50:55,280 --> 00:50:57,400
Speaker 2: won't mean a hill of beans, and it's probably going

971
00:50:57,480 --> 00:51:00,920
Speaker 2: to mean you have a greater variance of potential playoff

972
00:51:00,960 --> 00:51:04,640
Speaker 2: seed that you have to account for and probably play

973
00:51:04,680 --> 00:51:06,400
Speaker 2: harder in Week eighteen as a result.

974
00:51:06,560 --> 00:51:09,160
Speaker 1: If you get into this thing like we're talking about,

975
00:51:09,200 --> 00:51:11,480
Speaker 1: and I'm exaggerating because I I have no idea the

976
00:51:11,520 --> 00:51:13,440
Speaker 1: mathematics and how it would work out. But if you

977
00:51:13,440 --> 00:51:17,239
Speaker 1: you know, ultimately your in or out on Week eighteen, right,

978
00:51:17,320 --> 00:51:19,840
Speaker 1: forget about the seeds. Ultimately you get all.

979
00:51:19,680 --> 00:51:23,319
Speaker 2: These could potentially be in the potential contential potential for

980
00:51:24,360 --> 00:51:26,480
Speaker 2: six teams to be in or out. Yeah, all or

981
00:51:26,520 --> 00:51:29,400
Speaker 2: nothing games, all or nothing games like already start the

982
00:51:29,400 --> 00:51:31,640
Speaker 2: playoffs in Week eighteen and that works like the sound

983
00:51:31,640 --> 00:51:35,080
Speaker 2: of that, And that's that's really interesting. Think about Think

984
00:51:35,080 --> 00:51:38,200
Speaker 2: about the Bills Week eighteen game in the twenty twenty

985
00:51:38,239 --> 00:51:42,799
Speaker 2: three season down in Miami. For all the marbles. The

986
00:51:42,840 --> 00:51:45,240
Speaker 2: winner of the team winner of that game wins the division.

987
00:51:45,640 --> 00:51:47,920
Speaker 2: The other team is on the road in the playoffs.

988
00:51:48,600 --> 00:51:51,760
Speaker 2: I mean they put it in prime time for a reason.

989
00:51:51,880 --> 00:51:54,000
Speaker 2: It was an all or nothing game. Got to take

990
00:51:54,000 --> 00:51:57,040
Speaker 2: a break here. But more about this when we return.

991
00:51:57,080 --> 00:51:59,960
Speaker 2: Would you vote yes or no on the NFL's upcot

992
00:52:00,000 --> 00:52:02,720
Speaker 2: I vote to change playoff seating at the owner's meetings

993
00:52:02,760 --> 00:52:04,960
Speaker 2: in Minneapolis. You let us know at aight oh three

994
00:52:05,040 --> 00:52:07,160
Speaker 2: oh five fifty. We're back for hour number two on

995
00:52:07,200 --> 00:52:09,320
Speaker 2: your phone calls. Next here on One Bill's Live, presented

996
00:52:09,320 --> 00:52:52,640
Speaker 2: by Colida Health. It's Buffalo Bill's Radio.

997
00:52:53,480 --> 00:52:58,160
Speaker 1: This this One Bill's Live presented by Calida Health.

998
00:52:58,480 --> 00:53:00,000
Speaker 2: All right, here we are our number two on a month.

999
00:53:00,320 --> 00:53:03,000
Speaker 2: Chris Brown, Steve Tasker with you. Would you vote yes

1000
00:53:03,120 --> 00:53:06,200
Speaker 2: or no on the NFL's upcoming vote to change the

1001
00:53:06,200 --> 00:53:10,600
Speaker 2: playoff seating, thereby reducing the importance of winning your division?

1002
00:53:11,280 --> 00:53:14,919
Speaker 2: One lost record carries the day, and the only help

1003
00:53:14,960 --> 00:53:18,000
Speaker 2: a division title gets you is you'd win a tiebreaker

1004
00:53:18,480 --> 00:53:21,360
Speaker 2: with a wild card team with an identical record to yours.

1005
00:53:22,040 --> 00:53:25,879
Speaker 2: Eight oh three, five fifty one eighty eight five fifty two,

1006
00:53:25,960 --> 00:53:28,440
Speaker 2: five fifty those of the numbers to join us, and

1007
00:53:28,680 --> 00:53:31,520
Speaker 2: we do have open lines for you there. Which way

1008
00:53:31,560 --> 00:53:34,040
Speaker 2: would you lean if you were one of the NFL's

1009
00:53:34,040 --> 00:53:37,759
Speaker 2: owners on this vote? Obviously we know that you have

1010
00:53:37,800 --> 00:53:40,719
Speaker 2: to have a two thirds or three quarters majority for

1011
00:53:40,920 --> 00:53:44,239
Speaker 2: vote to pass. Twenty four out of thirty two owners

1012
00:53:44,320 --> 00:53:47,600
Speaker 2: have to vote yes to get something like this to

1013
00:53:47,760 --> 00:53:50,799
Speaker 2: enact change in the league. But let us know where

1014
00:53:50,800 --> 00:53:52,920
Speaker 2: you're at on this. We've had kind of some mixed

1015
00:53:52,920 --> 00:53:54,680
Speaker 2: opinion on it through the first hour of the show.

1016
00:53:54,680 --> 00:53:56,040
Speaker 2: We want to know where you come down on it.

1017
00:53:56,040 --> 00:53:58,239
Speaker 2: Eight O three oh five to fifty one eight eight

1018
00:53:58,280 --> 00:54:01,600
Speaker 2: eight five, fifty two five fifty those the numbers to

1019
00:54:01,760 --> 00:54:06,640
Speaker 2: join us. I would like an amended version of this. Ultimately, Steve,

1020
00:54:07,280 --> 00:54:09,840
Speaker 2: I would like to see if you have a division

1021
00:54:09,880 --> 00:54:14,000
Speaker 2: winner with a sub five hundred record, you do not

1022
00:54:14,080 --> 00:54:16,640
Speaker 2: host a playoff game. You're in the playoffs because you

1023
00:54:16,640 --> 00:54:19,040
Speaker 2: want your division. You don't host a playoff game. You're

1024
00:54:19,040 --> 00:54:21,320
Speaker 2: an eight to nine team. Move to the back of

1025
00:54:21,360 --> 00:54:23,719
Speaker 2: the line. You're seed seven unless there's a division winner

1026
00:54:23,719 --> 00:54:27,600
Speaker 2: with a worse record than you, provided the wildcard teams

1027
00:54:27,600 --> 00:54:29,840
Speaker 2: are all over five hundred and have a superior record.

1028
00:54:30,200 --> 00:54:35,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't have a problem with Well, here's where

1029
00:54:35,719 --> 00:54:37,560
Speaker 1: you get into a ticket if you have if you

1030
00:54:37,600 --> 00:54:40,080
Speaker 1: just go by record in the conference and the division

1031
00:54:40,120 --> 00:54:45,880
Speaker 1: winners still get in, and it's never really happened where

1032
00:54:46,680 --> 00:54:51,319
Speaker 1: all seven of the playoff teams don't have a better

1033
00:54:51,400 --> 00:54:53,680
Speaker 1: record than the eighth, or at least a tied record

1034
00:54:53,719 --> 00:54:56,640
Speaker 1: with the eighth. You know, once in a while we've

1035
00:54:56,640 --> 00:54:59,080
Speaker 1: seen a team with a losing record get in as

1036
00:54:59,080 --> 00:55:00,000
Speaker 1: a division winner.

1037
00:55:00,160 --> 00:55:01,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, there was a Seattle team that went seven and

1038
00:55:02,000 --> 00:55:03,080
Speaker 2: nine a few years back.

1039
00:55:02,960 --> 00:55:05,440
Speaker 1: But even so they had they had the same record

1040
00:55:05,480 --> 00:55:07,680
Speaker 1: I think as the eight seed or something like that.

1041
00:55:08,560 --> 00:55:12,360
Speaker 1: I don't have a problem reseeding after the regular season

1042
00:55:12,360 --> 00:55:13,799
Speaker 1: is saying, Okay, these are the teams that are in.

1043
00:55:13,920 --> 00:55:16,279
Speaker 1: Here's how they're going to be seated. Now, now that

1044
00:55:16,360 --> 00:55:18,280
Speaker 1: this team is in with a seven and nine record,

1045
00:55:18,719 --> 00:55:20,360
Speaker 1: the seven and nine records should be at the end

1046
00:55:20,400 --> 00:55:23,960
Speaker 1: of the line, right, I'm okay with that.

1047
00:55:24,120 --> 00:55:26,200
Speaker 2: Or eight to nine now that they play seventeen, right,

1048
00:55:26,320 --> 00:55:29,279
Speaker 2: or eight and nine or whatever, seven, seven and ten.

1049
00:55:31,280 --> 00:55:37,640
Speaker 1: But yeah, you start getting dicey because of the problems

1050
00:55:37,640 --> 00:55:41,040
Speaker 1: that were proposed with the division and how they're aligned,

1051
00:55:41,400 --> 00:55:43,319
Speaker 1: and at any given point in history you might have

1052
00:55:43,400 --> 00:55:44,520
Speaker 1: four teams that stink.

1053
00:55:46,480 --> 00:55:49,360
Speaker 2: Records can sometimes be deceiving too, although in the NFL

1054
00:55:49,440 --> 00:55:50,480
Speaker 2: less so, I would think.

1055
00:55:51,040 --> 00:55:53,640
Speaker 1: But it's hard to win, even in a bad division.

1056
00:55:53,680 --> 00:55:57,120
Speaker 2: It's hard to win. But let's let's look at the

1057
00:55:57,120 --> 00:56:00,920
Speaker 2: Houston Texans for example, Okay, they play a fourth place

1058
00:56:00,920 --> 00:56:04,600
Speaker 2: schedule in CJ. Stroud's rookie year two years ago, they

1059
00:56:04,680 --> 00:56:09,520
Speaker 2: win the division. They actually win a playoff game as well.

1060
00:56:09,640 --> 00:56:13,399
Speaker 2: Last year they play a first place schedule and things

1061
00:56:13,400 --> 00:56:18,400
Speaker 2: get a little trickier for them. Yeah, they still go

1062
00:56:18,480 --> 00:56:21,640
Speaker 2: to the playoffs, and I think they still won their

1063
00:56:21,640 --> 00:56:22,600
Speaker 2: division at ten and seven.

1064
00:56:22,760 --> 00:56:25,920
Speaker 1: Yes, they won their division, and two wild card teams

1065
00:56:25,920 --> 00:56:29,080
Speaker 1: had the exact same record, but nobody that was worse

1066
00:56:29,160 --> 00:56:31,840
Speaker 1: than ten and seven their record got into the playoffs.

1067
00:56:31,840 --> 00:56:35,439
Speaker 1: On the AFC side, Cincinnati was number eight seed last

1068
00:56:35,480 --> 00:56:37,400
Speaker 1: year in the conference. They were nine to eight and

1069
00:56:37,440 --> 00:56:40,120
Speaker 1: then everybody above them was ten and seven are better.

1070
00:56:41,080 --> 00:56:43,840
Speaker 1: So it last year was fine. But if you reseed,

1071
00:56:43,920 --> 00:56:45,720
Speaker 1: it it changes everything.

1072
00:56:46,320 --> 00:56:49,600
Speaker 2: As we outlined in the first hour with the NFC playoffs,

1073
00:56:49,800 --> 00:56:53,560
Speaker 2: because Washington would have been going after the wildcard round,

1074
00:56:54,160 --> 00:56:56,920
Speaker 2: Washington would have been going to Philly and the Rams

1075
00:56:57,080 --> 00:56:59,800
Speaker 2: would have been going to Detroit by virtue of Washington's

1076
00:57:00,000 --> 00:57:01,960
Speaker 2: are record to that of Los Angeles.

1077
00:57:02,000 --> 00:57:05,960
Speaker 1: That's not right. Tampa Bay and Los Angeles would have

1078
00:57:06,000 --> 00:57:07,920
Speaker 1: been the seven and eight seed instead of the three and.

1079
00:57:08,000 --> 00:57:10,120
Speaker 2: Well you're saying at the beginning, I'm saying they want

1080
00:57:10,120 --> 00:57:13,399
Speaker 2: to reseed after the wild card round. Why wait, no, no,

1081
00:57:13,520 --> 00:57:17,480
Speaker 2: I'm well, no, it's going one through seven best record.

1082
00:57:18,040 --> 00:57:19,440
Speaker 2: Why wait, I'm just.

1083
00:57:20,080 --> 00:57:22,080
Speaker 1: After the regular season because that's when it counts.

1084
00:57:22,160 --> 00:57:24,000
Speaker 2: Well, that's what they are doing. But then, but then

1085
00:57:24,120 --> 00:57:26,640
Speaker 2: after who wins in the wildcard round, they're gonna receed again,

1086
00:57:26,840 --> 00:57:29,440
Speaker 2: is my point. So if your seven seed wins in

1087
00:57:29,520 --> 00:57:32,800
Speaker 2: every round, if your seven seed wins, you know what

1088
00:57:32,840 --> 00:57:33,160
Speaker 2: I mean.

1089
00:57:33,240 --> 00:57:36,000
Speaker 1: So I see that last year. Look at the NFC

1090
00:57:36,120 --> 00:57:39,320
Speaker 1: last year, it's crazy. You got two ten and seven

1091
00:57:39,360 --> 00:57:43,280
Speaker 1: teams seated above A four reasons twelve and five and

1092
00:57:43,320 --> 00:57:46,280
Speaker 1: A fourteen and three A receed.

1093
00:57:46,360 --> 00:57:48,520
Speaker 2: That's why the Lions are bringing it to the table.

1094
00:57:48,640 --> 00:57:53,840
Speaker 1: I the regular season should really count. All seventeen games.

1095
00:57:54,560 --> 00:57:57,520
Speaker 1: You got Buffalo and Kansas City, all these teams.

1096
00:57:57,280 --> 00:57:59,640
Speaker 2: Are really sitting down and wet they're in.

1097
00:57:59,720 --> 00:58:01,320
Speaker 1: You know, they may as well be at home watching

1098
00:58:01,360 --> 00:58:01,840
Speaker 1: on the couch.

1099
00:58:01,880 --> 00:58:04,600
Speaker 2: Now, there is value in that because by all those

1100
00:58:04,640 --> 00:58:07,120
Speaker 2: teams that rested starters, they won their first round playoff

1101
00:58:07,120 --> 00:58:10,800
Speaker 2: game last year. So coaches would say, hey, if I

1102
00:58:10,840 --> 00:58:14,280
Speaker 2: won enough games to justify sitting my players, that's what

1103
00:58:14,320 --> 00:58:14,840
Speaker 2: I get to do.

1104
00:58:15,880 --> 00:58:21,000
Speaker 1: Well, let's remind ourselves of who's the guys who are

1105
00:58:21,000 --> 00:58:23,320
Speaker 1: writing the checks, who are saying, wait a minute, we

1106
00:58:23,360 --> 00:58:25,640
Speaker 1: got a whole Sunday afternoon late in the season when

1107
00:58:25,680 --> 00:58:28,080
Speaker 1: it's at a fever pitch, and now we got no games.

1108
00:58:28,560 --> 00:58:31,160
Speaker 2: Well we got used nobody reporting playing in those games.

1109
00:58:31,240 --> 00:58:34,640
Speaker 1: They don't count, they don't matter, It doesn't matter who wins.

1110
00:58:34,760 --> 00:58:35,720
Speaker 1: That's the problem.

1111
00:58:35,880 --> 00:58:38,560
Speaker 2: Mean, you had Joe Milton playing quarterback by the Patriots

1112
00:58:38,800 --> 00:58:40,320
Speaker 2: and they're not even going to the playoffs.

1113
00:58:41,720 --> 00:58:45,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, so there's your problem, you and and listen,

1114
00:58:46,640 --> 00:58:49,800
Speaker 1: part of the problem is the fan is we're not

1115
00:58:49,880 --> 00:58:54,680
Speaker 1: getting our money's worth. You know, I gotta watch bless

1116
00:58:54,680 --> 00:58:57,960
Speaker 1: his heart, I gotta watch Mitch play against New England.

1117
00:58:59,480 --> 00:59:03,680
Speaker 1: You know, I'm we want you know, we love Mitch,

1118
00:59:04,280 --> 00:59:07,360
Speaker 1: but we want to see Josh. Right, I get it too.

1119
00:59:07,640 --> 00:59:09,920
Speaker 1: Nobody wants to see Josh. You know, get a hangnail

1120
00:59:09,960 --> 00:59:12,800
Speaker 1: in Week eighteen, has to sit down for the wild

1121
00:59:12,800 --> 00:59:15,720
Speaker 1: card round or whatever. You know, it's a risk, yes,

1122
00:59:17,200 --> 00:59:19,240
Speaker 1: but if it meant something, it's like, hey, we got

1123
00:59:19,280 --> 00:59:21,880
Speaker 1: to play, and let's go all right. If you're gonna

1124
00:59:21,920 --> 00:59:24,840
Speaker 1: get something out of the game, that's gonna help you

1125
00:59:24,880 --> 00:59:30,240
Speaker 1: in the playoffs next week, get it. If it's not there,

1126
00:59:30,640 --> 00:59:33,040
Speaker 1: if you're locked into the two seed, which the Bills

1127
00:59:33,040 --> 00:59:37,080
Speaker 1: were at the time of the game, let's just let's

1128
00:59:37,120 --> 00:59:38,439
Speaker 1: not play and say we did.

1129
00:59:39,360 --> 00:59:43,800
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, eight oh three, five fifteen. Nobody get on board.

1130
00:59:43,880 --> 00:59:50,200
Speaker 2: Let's go to Gary on a sale next. What's up Gary, Gary?

1131
00:59:50,200 --> 00:59:50,520
Speaker 1: Are you there?

1132
00:59:50,600 --> 00:59:50,760
Speaker 3: Yeah?

1133
00:59:50,840 --> 00:59:51,200
Speaker 9: Y'all doing?

1134
00:59:51,360 --> 00:59:51,560
Speaker 2: Yeah?

1135
00:59:51,800 --> 00:59:52,080
Speaker 10: Go ahead?

1136
00:59:52,200 --> 00:59:52,640
Speaker 9: Or y'all there?

1137
00:59:52,720 --> 00:59:53,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, go ahead?

1138
00:59:53,360 --> 00:59:58,720
Speaker 9: Hey guys, it's hard. I see both points, but I

1139
00:59:58,720 --> 01:00:00,959
Speaker 9: guess I've always failed. If you're low five hundred should

1140
01:00:00,960 --> 01:00:03,640
Speaker 9: be in the playoffs, but if you win your division,

1141
01:00:04,280 --> 01:00:08,080
Speaker 9: it should mean something. It's tough, but you know, you

1142
01:00:08,160 --> 01:00:10,960
Speaker 9: got teams that are winning eleven games. You know, I

1143
01:00:10,960 --> 01:00:13,400
Speaker 9: have to play on the road, So I guess I

1144
01:00:13,760 --> 01:00:15,400
Speaker 9: kind of agree if you have a better record. I

1145
01:00:15,400 --> 01:00:17,640
Speaker 9: guess if you're like two or three games better, you

1146
01:00:17,680 --> 01:00:19,600
Speaker 9: should play at their place. But if you're like a

1147
01:00:19,640 --> 01:00:21,920
Speaker 9: game or so, then I guess it'd be all right

1148
01:00:21,960 --> 01:00:24,080
Speaker 9: with me. It's it's kind of a hard answer, to

1149
01:00:24,120 --> 01:00:27,280
Speaker 9: be honest. Yeah, I'm but I don't believe.

1150
01:00:27,760 --> 01:00:30,680
Speaker 1: Go ahead, I agree it needs to be tweaked. Now

1151
01:00:30,680 --> 01:00:32,720
Speaker 1: we're we're deciding on how it should.

1152
01:00:32,400 --> 01:00:38,040
Speaker 9: Be It's tough because I agree with all points, but

1153
01:00:38,160 --> 01:00:40,560
Speaker 9: I've seen teams that, you know, a blow five hundred

1154
01:00:40,560 --> 01:00:43,360
Speaker 9: making the playoffs, and I'm like, you know, there's got

1155
01:00:43,480 --> 01:00:45,760
Speaker 9: to be something better, So hopefully come up with something good.

1156
01:00:46,120 --> 01:00:49,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, it'll be interesting to see how this vote works out,

1157
01:00:49,120 --> 01:00:52,840
Speaker 2: because to Gary's point, there are points to be man

1158
01:00:52,920 --> 01:00:56,120
Speaker 2: on both sides of it. And look, what the league

1159
01:00:56,160 --> 01:01:00,680
Speaker 2: wants is the ultimate competition every single week of the season.

1160
01:01:00,720 --> 01:01:04,200
Speaker 2: So number one, if you could get better competition in

1161
01:01:04,280 --> 01:01:08,080
Speaker 2: week eighteen across the board, because a team suddenly could

1162
01:01:08,080 --> 01:01:10,920
Speaker 2: be one of four different seeds in their conference as

1163
01:01:10,920 --> 01:01:13,200
Speaker 2: opposed to hey, we're locked in, everybody, take your foot

1164
01:01:13,200 --> 01:01:15,640
Speaker 2: off the gas. We're gonna rest up for the playoffs.

1165
01:01:16,000 --> 01:01:19,280
Speaker 2: And then secondarily, if you keep a sub five hundred

1166
01:01:19,280 --> 01:01:23,280
Speaker 2: team out of the playoffs, you arguably have better teams

1167
01:01:23,320 --> 01:01:24,440
Speaker 2: in the playoff pool.

1168
01:01:24,560 --> 01:01:29,280
Speaker 1: Also, right, here's the thing as well, if it was

1169
01:01:30,560 --> 01:01:36,240
Speaker 1: so important that you rest some guys and there's no

1170
01:01:36,320 --> 01:01:39,120
Speaker 1: buy with one team gets a buy and you could

1171
01:01:39,120 --> 01:01:43,560
Speaker 1: be anything from the two seed to the five seed

1172
01:01:46,520 --> 01:01:49,320
Speaker 1: or the two seed to the four seed, so you're

1173
01:01:49,360 --> 01:01:51,920
Speaker 1: gonna get a home playoff game because you're the division champ.

1174
01:01:53,200 --> 01:01:56,840
Speaker 1: Don't you just Hey, I don't care. I'm gonna rest

1175
01:01:56,880 --> 01:01:57,880
Speaker 1: everybody anyway I'm in.

1176
01:01:59,280 --> 01:02:03,120
Speaker 2: You know there are there are more variables though at

1177
01:02:03,160 --> 01:02:06,560
Speaker 2: play now if this goes through in terms of where

1178
01:02:06,600 --> 01:02:09,280
Speaker 2: you could end up, even as late as week eighteen.

1179
01:02:09,800 --> 01:02:12,880
Speaker 2: We're gonna pivot here though, real quick and put a

1180
01:02:12,880 --> 01:02:16,520
Speaker 2: hold and a pause on this discussion because joining us

1181
01:02:16,560 --> 01:02:21,920
Speaker 2: now is ESPN Nation reporter for the Cincinnati Bengals. Joining

1182
01:02:22,000 --> 01:02:25,800
Speaker 2: us it's Ben Baby hopping on and wanted to get

1183
01:02:25,840 --> 01:02:29,000
Speaker 2: him on because look, Bengals are one of Buffalo's opponents.

1184
01:02:29,040 --> 01:02:31,840
Speaker 2: Granted it's a little ways off, it's not until week fourteen,

1185
01:02:32,400 --> 01:02:34,760
Speaker 2: but there have been a lot of off season changes

1186
01:02:34,800 --> 01:02:38,400
Speaker 2: and some headlines made by the Bengals, probably headlines they

1187
01:02:38,440 --> 01:02:41,560
Speaker 2: don't want. So why don't we begin there?

1188
01:02:41,600 --> 01:02:41,800
Speaker 1: Ben?

1189
01:02:41,880 --> 01:02:46,000
Speaker 2: Because the Hendrix thing officially hit ugly status last week

1190
01:02:46,040 --> 01:02:49,800
Speaker 2: when he addressed reporters like yourselves, you know at OTA's,

1191
01:02:49,920 --> 01:02:52,520
Speaker 2: and basically said, yeah, I'm under contract, but I'm not

1192
01:02:52,560 --> 01:02:54,800
Speaker 2: playing on this one. So if it stays this way,

1193
01:02:54,840 --> 01:02:56,560
Speaker 2: don't expect to see me in a helmet and pads

1194
01:02:56,560 --> 01:02:58,280
Speaker 2: anytime soon. Where do we go from here?

1195
01:03:00,120 --> 01:03:02,480
Speaker 11: I think that's the great question, and we'll figure out

1196
01:03:02,480 --> 01:03:05,120
Speaker 11: where the things stand moving forward. I know when they

1197
01:03:05,240 --> 01:03:08,040
Speaker 11: granted the trade requests, you know, earlier in the offseason,

1198
01:03:08,040 --> 01:03:10,320
Speaker 11: the Bengals did they wanted trade and go see what

1199
01:03:10,360 --> 01:03:12,680
Speaker 11: that market looked like out there, and there was a

1200
01:03:12,680 --> 01:03:15,880
Speaker 11: lot of interest preliminarily. But as you go through free agency,

1201
01:03:15,920 --> 01:03:17,960
Speaker 11: as you go through the draft, now you're in a

1202
01:03:18,000 --> 01:03:21,000
Speaker 11: situation where teams that have already filled that need of

1203
01:03:21,040 --> 01:03:23,880
Speaker 11: maybe getting an elite edge rusher and also not only

1204
01:03:23,960 --> 01:03:26,360
Speaker 11: willing to give up the compensation but also pay him,

1205
01:03:26,600 --> 01:03:28,320
Speaker 11: you know, in the range that puts him in that

1206
01:03:28,400 --> 01:03:31,680
Speaker 11: top five of edge rushers around the league. You know,

1207
01:03:31,680 --> 01:03:34,880
Speaker 11: they've already used those resources, they've allocated those already in

1208
01:03:34,880 --> 01:03:38,080
Speaker 11: the offseason. That puts Hendrickson in a spot to where,

1209
01:03:38,320 --> 01:03:40,760
Speaker 11: you know, does he come back to Cincinnati easy willing

1210
01:03:40,760 --> 01:03:43,080
Speaker 11: to kind of swallow his pride, so to speak, and

1211
01:03:43,120 --> 01:03:45,120
Speaker 11: be able to play on the last year of his

1212
01:03:45,160 --> 01:03:48,720
Speaker 11: current contractor the Bengals willing to invest long term resources

1213
01:03:48,720 --> 01:03:51,520
Speaker 11: into a guy who's going to turn thirty one this December.

1214
01:03:51,560 --> 01:03:53,960
Speaker 11: I think all of those factors play a key role

1215
01:03:53,960 --> 01:03:57,320
Speaker 11: in this situation because you know, as things go deeper

1216
01:03:57,600 --> 01:03:59,840
Speaker 11: into the offseason. How much does this become a further

1217
01:04:00,000 --> 01:04:03,080
Speaker 11: di and at what point is isn't in both sides's

1218
01:04:03,080 --> 01:04:05,600
Speaker 11: best interest to maybe find some ground in the middle

1219
01:04:05,640 --> 01:04:08,040
Speaker 11: and move forward towards the twenty twenty five season.

1220
01:04:08,080 --> 01:04:12,240
Speaker 1: One of the things that came out of Hendrickson's comments

1221
01:04:12,480 --> 01:04:16,040
Speaker 1: was that he was told some things last year and

1222
01:04:16,160 --> 01:04:18,880
Speaker 1: given some expectations of what would happen if he continued

1223
01:04:18,920 --> 01:04:20,400
Speaker 1: at a high level, and as we know, I mean

1224
01:04:20,440 --> 01:04:23,200
Speaker 1: another seventeen and a half sacked season or seventeen sax season,

1225
01:04:23,720 --> 01:04:25,840
Speaker 1: he kind of held up his end of the bargain up.

1226
01:04:26,120 --> 01:04:28,960
Speaker 1: Is there any word on what was told to him

1227
01:04:29,280 --> 01:04:31,160
Speaker 1: as to what he could expect if he did that

1228
01:04:31,280 --> 01:04:32,520
Speaker 1: and why it hasn't happened.

1229
01:04:33,720 --> 01:04:35,920
Speaker 11: Yeah, I think when you when you talk to some folks,

1230
01:04:35,920 --> 01:04:38,440
Speaker 11: I think the general understanding is that perhaps, you know,

1231
01:04:38,480 --> 01:04:40,400
Speaker 11: they would have went out and maybe been a little

1232
01:04:40,400 --> 01:04:42,240
Speaker 11: bit more aggressive towards the long term deal. And I

1233
01:04:42,280 --> 01:04:46,240
Speaker 11: asked Bengals executive vice president Katie Blackburn, point back, point blank,

1234
01:04:46,280 --> 01:04:49,600
Speaker 11: excuse me at league meetings earlier this offseason, I said,

1235
01:04:49,880 --> 01:04:52,040
Speaker 11: is it just a matter of maybe y'all finding some

1236
01:04:52,120 --> 01:04:55,240
Speaker 11: ground at some point that where everyone is happy and

1237
01:04:55,440 --> 01:04:56,920
Speaker 11: they said, you know, at some point it is up

1238
01:04:56,960 --> 01:04:58,160
Speaker 11: to Hendrickson.

1239
01:04:57,640 --> 01:04:59,560
Speaker 10: To be happy. They feel like, you know, they put an.

1240
01:04:59,520 --> 01:05:02,000
Speaker 11: Offer on the t that might be what he might

1241
01:05:02,040 --> 01:05:05,000
Speaker 11: be looking for, but obviously, you know, I think it's

1242
01:05:05,040 --> 01:05:07,960
Speaker 11: not there yet. Hendrickson said that the Bengals seem to

1243
01:05:08,000 --> 01:05:10,400
Speaker 11: be more interested in a short term deal with less

1244
01:05:10,400 --> 01:05:13,400
Speaker 11: guarantees than he's looking for in a long term deal.

1245
01:05:13,600 --> 01:05:15,280
Speaker 11: I think that's the big crux of the matter here.

1246
01:05:15,320 --> 01:05:17,680
Speaker 11: How much are they willing to put in to somebody

1247
01:05:17,680 --> 01:05:20,800
Speaker 11: who's going to turn thirty one this offseason. The Bengals

1248
01:05:20,960 --> 01:05:23,440
Speaker 11: typically don't invest a lot of money into veterans once

1249
01:05:23,480 --> 01:05:26,440
Speaker 11: they turn thirty, so, you know, I think that's kind

1250
01:05:26,440 --> 01:05:29,040
Speaker 11: of the crux of the matter. And Trey a couple

1251
01:05:29,080 --> 01:05:31,880
Speaker 11: of years ago tacked on an extra year to his deal,

1252
01:05:32,440 --> 01:05:35,160
Speaker 11: and now you're looking at it and what he's doing

1253
01:05:35,200 --> 01:05:38,600
Speaker 11: cash this year around sixteen million dollars, definitely beneath what

1254
01:05:38,720 --> 01:05:41,520
Speaker 11: his market value said. So that's really why we're in

1255
01:05:41,600 --> 01:05:44,200
Speaker 11: the you know, this situation we're in at this point

1256
01:05:44,240 --> 01:05:45,040
Speaker 11: in the offseason.

1257
01:05:45,520 --> 01:05:47,760
Speaker 2: All right, So two part question here, Ben, and this

1258
01:05:47,760 --> 01:05:49,320
Speaker 2: is the last one we'll ask on the hendricks in

1259
01:05:49,320 --> 01:05:51,160
Speaker 2: front because we've got other stuff to get to. Concerning

1260
01:05:51,200 --> 01:05:54,520
Speaker 2: the Bengals, Let's say Hendrickson plays hardball, he does not

1261
01:05:54,640 --> 01:05:58,320
Speaker 2: show up, he starts missing games. How insulated are they

1262
01:05:58,520 --> 01:06:01,320
Speaker 2: at the position? I know they after Shamar Stewart in

1263
01:06:01,360 --> 01:06:03,600
Speaker 2: the first round this year. They have a first round

1264
01:06:03,640 --> 01:06:06,000
Speaker 2: drafter from a couple of years ago in Miles Murphy

1265
01:06:06,000 --> 01:06:08,240
Speaker 2: who hasn't really gotten on the field a ton you know,

1266
01:06:08,280 --> 01:06:11,680
Speaker 2: in his two years in a Bengals uniform. And what

1267
01:06:11,960 --> 01:06:13,720
Speaker 2: is the like And then the second part of the

1268
01:06:13,800 --> 01:06:17,000
Speaker 2: question is what is the likelihood that the Bengals robbed

1269
01:06:17,000 --> 01:06:19,040
Speaker 2: from Peter to pay Paul? And what I mean by

1270
01:06:19,040 --> 01:06:21,600
Speaker 2: that is maybe clip a veteran like a Jermaine Pratt

1271
01:06:21,680 --> 01:06:24,320
Speaker 2: save enough money on the cap to then pay Hendrickson.

1272
01:06:25,600 --> 01:06:27,080
Speaker 10: Yeah, you know the first question.

1273
01:06:27,280 --> 01:06:29,280
Speaker 11: If this doesn't work out and trays out on the field,

1274
01:06:29,280 --> 01:06:32,320
Speaker 11: I think there's a lot of uncertainty around what's behind

1275
01:06:32,360 --> 01:06:34,240
Speaker 11: him an edge rusher. You got to remember Sam Hubbard,

1276
01:06:34,400 --> 01:06:37,000
Speaker 11: who was playing injured last year, he retired. You have

1277
01:06:37,080 --> 01:06:39,600
Speaker 11: Joseph osideback on a one year deal. He's really the

1278
01:06:39,640 --> 01:06:42,760
Speaker 11: most proven edge rusher that you're going to have out there.

1279
01:06:42,880 --> 01:06:45,240
Speaker 11: Like you said, Miles Murphy hasn't been able to be productive.

1280
01:06:45,280 --> 01:06:47,720
Speaker 11: He's hoping to turn the corner. Shamar Stewart, by the way,

1281
01:06:47,760 --> 01:06:51,000
Speaker 11: their first round pick is still unsigned, has not signed

1282
01:06:51,000 --> 01:06:54,520
Speaker 11: his participation waiver, so he has not participated at all.

1283
01:06:54,800 --> 01:06:56,960
Speaker 11: And obviously he's a workout so far that remains for

1284
01:06:57,040 --> 01:07:00,240
Speaker 11: whatever reason, undone that deal should be done by now.

1285
01:07:00,320 --> 01:07:04,240
Speaker 11: Quite frankly, the fact that it hasn't very perplexing. And

1286
01:07:04,280 --> 01:07:07,080
Speaker 11: so you know, you're hoping that if Stewart does get done,

1287
01:07:07,120 --> 01:07:09,800
Speaker 11: and you would imagine that would be wrapped up sooner

1288
01:07:09,880 --> 01:07:10,600
Speaker 11: rather than later.

1289
01:07:11,040 --> 01:07:12,000
Speaker 10: You would have him to.

1290
01:07:11,920 --> 01:07:15,680
Speaker 11: Go alongside with the Joseph Osi, with Miles Murphy, with

1291
01:07:15,720 --> 01:07:18,560
Speaker 11: a camp sample coming off a season ending injury a

1292
01:07:18,600 --> 01:07:19,240
Speaker 11: year ago.

1293
01:07:19,560 --> 01:07:21,440
Speaker 10: Those are some of your options. I saw that in

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01:07:21,480 --> 01:07:21,960
Speaker 10: the graphic.

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01:07:22,200 --> 01:07:24,720
Speaker 11: You know, the Bills got Landa Jackson from my wife's

1296
01:07:24,720 --> 01:07:27,200
Speaker 11: hometown of Texar Canada, out of Pleasant Grove. That might

1297
01:07:27,200 --> 01:07:29,480
Speaker 11: have been a nice fit, you know, getting another guy

1298
01:07:29,520 --> 01:07:31,560
Speaker 11: deep in the draft to give you some protection, but

1299
01:07:31,680 --> 01:07:33,920
Speaker 11: right now, you know the Bengals don't have a lot

1300
01:07:34,120 --> 01:07:37,120
Speaker 11: behind him. And to the second part of your question,

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01:07:37,760 --> 01:07:40,880
Speaker 11: I think that Germaine Pratt part of the conversation is

1302
01:07:40,880 --> 01:07:43,440
Speaker 11: a very interesting one because the Bengals went out and

1303
01:07:43,520 --> 01:07:47,840
Speaker 11: drafted two linebackers in Demitorious Knight and Barrett Carter. And

1304
01:07:47,920 --> 01:07:49,880
Speaker 11: in fact, someone pointed out and one of the other

1305
01:07:49,880 --> 01:07:52,800
Speaker 11: biat reporters that Pratt's locker has now been moved, which

1306
01:07:52,840 --> 01:07:54,760
Speaker 11: is a clear indicator that they do not seem to

1307
01:07:54,760 --> 01:07:57,840
Speaker 11: have him in their long term plans. And so if

1308
01:07:57,880 --> 01:08:01,120
Speaker 11: they are able to maybe cut him, cut maybe the

1309
01:08:01,160 --> 01:08:04,360
Speaker 11: likes of Cordell Wohlssen other people on the on the

1310
01:08:04,440 --> 01:08:07,240
Speaker 11: roster so you can clear up some cash. That specific

1311
01:08:07,360 --> 01:08:10,600
Speaker 11: some cash this year that may help sweeten the pot

1312
01:08:10,680 --> 01:08:13,600
Speaker 11: to get Hendrickson on board for a couple more years.

1313
01:08:13,640 --> 01:08:15,840
Speaker 11: I think that's really where we're looking at right now

1314
01:08:15,880 --> 01:08:16,560
Speaker 11: in the offseason.

1315
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Speaker 1: If that happens and they do clear some cat by

1316
01:08:18,880 --> 01:08:21,160
Speaker 1: getting by doing away with some guys that are, you know,

1317
01:08:21,360 --> 01:08:25,200
Speaker 1: loved and respected there in Cincinnati, and their defense struggled

1318
01:08:25,280 --> 01:08:27,000
Speaker 1: last year, what's it looked like this year if all

1319
01:08:27,000 --> 01:08:28,680
Speaker 1: that happens, even with Trey Hendrickson.

1320
01:08:29,640 --> 01:08:30,400
Speaker 10: Yeah, I think.

1321
01:08:30,240 --> 01:08:32,679
Speaker 11: They're putting a lot of confidence in new coordinator Al Golden,

1322
01:08:32,880 --> 01:08:35,200
Speaker 11: And when you look at how the defense played, especially

1323
01:08:35,240 --> 01:08:38,040
Speaker 11: the secondary towards the back end of last year, once

1324
01:08:38,080 --> 01:08:41,679
Speaker 11: they simplified some things really started not having a lot

1325
01:08:41,680 --> 01:08:44,000
Speaker 11: of a lot of pre snapper reads really were pretty

1326
01:08:44,000 --> 01:08:46,080
Speaker 11: straight up and what they did, I think that's simplified

1327
01:08:46,360 --> 01:08:49,120
Speaker 11: the calls for the secondary. You hear, Cornerbill, I mean,

1328
01:08:49,120 --> 01:08:51,240
Speaker 11: we've had the luxury of being in the locker room

1329
01:08:51,640 --> 01:08:53,680
Speaker 11: this offseason, which I think is huge. I think I

1330
01:08:53,720 --> 01:08:56,360
Speaker 11: think having locker room access is so important for helping

1331
01:08:56,439 --> 01:08:58,160
Speaker 11: us to kind of tell stories of guys on the

1332
01:08:58,160 --> 01:09:00,800
Speaker 11: field and also get a better understand of why things

1333
01:09:00,840 --> 01:09:02,920
Speaker 11: aren't working and hearing it from the players perspective. I

1334
01:09:02,960 --> 01:09:05,000
Speaker 11: think that's something that is huge and we're fortunate that

1335
01:09:05,040 --> 01:09:07,720
Speaker 11: we have that locker room access here in the offseason

1336
01:09:07,760 --> 01:09:10,639
Speaker 11: and talking to Cam Taylor Brett, talking to Geno Stone,

1337
01:09:10,800 --> 01:09:13,479
Speaker 11: talking to DJ Turner, they've all echoed that. Logan Wilson

1338
01:09:13,520 --> 01:09:16,800
Speaker 11: as well, their linebacker, all echoed the fact that having

1339
01:09:16,840 --> 01:09:19,439
Speaker 11: things simplified was beneficial, and I think, to a man,

1340
01:09:19,520 --> 01:09:22,240
Speaker 11: everybody else spoken to in that locker room this offseason,

1341
01:09:22,320 --> 01:09:25,000
Speaker 11: they've all been singing the praises of new coordinator Al

1342
01:09:25,040 --> 01:09:28,599
Speaker 11: Golden and his ability to maybe make sure that guys

1343
01:09:28,600 --> 01:09:31,040
Speaker 11: can play faster. I think that's a key component. So

1344
01:09:31,160 --> 01:09:34,040
Speaker 11: even if the Bengals haven't retooled a lot of that defense,

1345
01:09:34,120 --> 01:09:36,400
Speaker 11: I think what you saw between the end of last

1346
01:09:36,439 --> 01:09:39,760
Speaker 11: year and some of the changes they made gives Cincinnati

1347
01:09:39,840 --> 01:09:42,280
Speaker 11: some confidence that they can be better on defense. And

1348
01:09:42,320 --> 01:09:44,400
Speaker 11: that has to be the case given what they've got

1349
01:09:44,439 --> 01:09:45,679
Speaker 11: on the offensive side of the ball.

1350
01:09:46,000 --> 01:09:48,719
Speaker 2: All right, next question has been a bit of a

1351
01:09:48,800 --> 01:09:52,240
Speaker 2: problem for the Bengals getting off to a fast start. Now.

1352
01:09:53,000 --> 01:09:57,400
Speaker 2: Part of the theory on why that continues to happen

1353
01:09:57,479 --> 01:09:59,519
Speaker 2: is because typically they don't play a lot of starters

1354
01:09:59,560 --> 01:10:01,680
Speaker 2: in the pre season. Ever since that Burrow injury a

1355
01:10:01,680 --> 01:10:03,479
Speaker 2: few years ago, he doesn't even suit up most of

1356
01:10:03,520 --> 01:10:07,240
Speaker 2: the time. If I remember, right, is there a change

1357
01:10:07,280 --> 01:10:11,320
Speaker 2: of plans for this upcoming preseason in an effort to

1358
01:10:11,320 --> 01:10:14,000
Speaker 2: get off to a more fortuitous start, knowing it ultimately

1359
01:10:14,000 --> 01:10:15,679
Speaker 2: cost them a playoff berth last year.

1360
01:10:16,920 --> 01:10:17,360
Speaker 10: Yeah, you know.

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01:10:17,439 --> 01:10:20,120
Speaker 11: Zach Taylor, the Bengals said coaches offseason has said that

1362
01:10:20,120 --> 01:10:22,800
Speaker 11: that's definitely something they're going to be looking at. How though,

1363
01:10:23,120 --> 01:10:26,440
Speaker 11: I do recall some similar comments being made in previous offseasons.

1364
01:10:26,439 --> 01:10:28,640
Speaker 11: And then we get to training camp in preseason and

1365
01:10:28,680 --> 01:10:30,680
Speaker 11: it ends up looking more or less like it did

1366
01:10:30,720 --> 01:10:31,639
Speaker 11: in previous years.

1367
01:10:31,880 --> 01:10:33,479
Speaker 10: I think the big component in all.

1368
01:10:33,360 --> 01:10:35,479
Speaker 11: Of this is going to be Joe Burrow's health, and

1369
01:10:35,520 --> 01:10:38,160
Speaker 11: he really I mean, it's kind of it's insane when

1370
01:10:38,160 --> 01:10:40,200
Speaker 11: you think about it. I don't know that he's ever

1371
01:10:40,240 --> 01:10:43,559
Speaker 11: started a season fully healthy in his entire career, going

1372
01:10:43,600 --> 01:10:46,439
Speaker 11: back to maybe his rookie year when everybody was operating

1373
01:10:46,520 --> 01:10:49,960
Speaker 11: under the twenty twenty COVID protocols. That's really the last

1374
01:10:49,960 --> 01:10:53,519
Speaker 11: time Burrows had a quote unquote somewhat normal offseason. Last year,

1375
01:10:53,760 --> 01:10:56,280
Speaker 11: you could tell watching them every day or watching them

1376
01:10:56,280 --> 01:10:58,200
Speaker 11: when we had that availability in the offseason and then

1377
01:10:58,240 --> 01:11:00,679
Speaker 11: a training camp, you could tell that real really wasn't

1378
01:11:00,720 --> 01:11:02,240
Speaker 11: all the way there. I think that played a big

1379
01:11:02,320 --> 01:11:04,840
Speaker 11: role in the team starting slow last year against New

1380
01:11:04,880 --> 01:11:07,400
Speaker 11: England and then Kansas City. Quite frankly, if they just

1381
01:11:07,400 --> 01:11:09,559
Speaker 11: find a way not to commit at penalty on fourth

1382
01:11:09,560 --> 01:11:12,000
Speaker 11: and twenty or whatever it is, and you know, commit

1383
01:11:12,040 --> 01:11:15,040
Speaker 11: a DPI, they probably end up winning that game, but

1384
01:11:15,200 --> 01:11:16,479
Speaker 11: they end up falling to zero to two, and then

1385
01:11:16,479 --> 01:11:19,679
Speaker 11: they lose another week in oen three. So I think

1386
01:11:19,720 --> 01:11:21,439
Speaker 11: that there's a lot of factors that go into that.

1387
01:11:21,479 --> 01:11:23,840
Speaker 11: I think Joe Burrow's health is a big component. But

1388
01:11:24,160 --> 01:11:26,360
Speaker 11: you know, Joe's been one of the guys who's really

1389
01:11:26,360 --> 01:11:30,000
Speaker 11: been pushing to be more active in preseason, getting more reps.

1390
01:11:30,360 --> 01:11:32,639
Speaker 11: I think that that locker room feels like that's probably

1391
01:11:32,680 --> 01:11:34,920
Speaker 11: going to be good for them moving forward. So the

1392
01:11:35,000 --> 01:11:37,120
Speaker 11: challenge is going to be for Zach Taylor to find

1393
01:11:37,160 --> 01:11:40,200
Speaker 11: that balance between making sure that guys are safe and healthy,

1394
01:11:40,400 --> 01:11:42,320
Speaker 11: but also that they're ready to go, because I think

1395
01:11:42,320 --> 01:11:44,920
Speaker 11: out of everybody in that building, he definitely cannot afford

1396
01:11:44,960 --> 01:11:48,360
Speaker 11: that just one win in weeks one and two throughout

1397
01:11:48,360 --> 01:11:51,200
Speaker 11: his entire tenure so far. That was a Week one

1398
01:11:51,280 --> 01:11:54,120
Speaker 11: win in twenty twenty one. Outside of that, the Bengals

1399
01:11:54,160 --> 01:11:56,320
Speaker 11: do not have a win in Week one or week

1400
01:11:56,360 --> 01:11:58,880
Speaker 11: two during Taylor's tenures. So that's something they've got to

1401
01:11:58,880 --> 01:12:00,880
Speaker 11: figure out if they want to go out and compete

1402
01:12:00,880 --> 01:12:02,080
Speaker 11: for an AMC championship.

1403
01:12:02,280 --> 01:12:05,200
Speaker 1: Do you think it's as simple as balancing the preseason

1404
01:12:05,320 --> 01:12:09,280
Speaker 1: a little better. Certainly, it's a chronic problem, right, I mean,

1405
01:12:09,320 --> 01:12:12,679
Speaker 1: you got to address it. Joe Burrow's health. Okay, that's

1406
01:12:12,680 --> 01:12:16,360
Speaker 1: one thing. Not playing him is an answer to his health, right,

1407
01:12:16,400 --> 01:12:17,760
Speaker 1: I mean, they didn't play him because the don't want

1408
01:12:17,800 --> 01:12:19,200
Speaker 1: him to get hurt, want him to stay healthy, but

1409
01:12:19,600 --> 01:12:25,040
Speaker 1: not playing him could lead to himy. Yeah, he was rusty.

1410
01:12:25,680 --> 01:12:27,080
Speaker 1: What's the word? I mean, how are they going to

1411
01:12:27,160 --> 01:12:28,719
Speaker 1: handle it? This is a twofold problem.

1412
01:12:29,720 --> 01:12:32,000
Speaker 11: Yeah, I think it's you know, when you look at

1413
01:12:32,000 --> 01:12:34,200
Speaker 11: the nature of Burrow's injuries, you talk about his health,

1414
01:12:34,200 --> 01:12:37,000
Speaker 11: it's stuff that has definitely been really serious and they

1415
01:12:37,040 --> 01:12:39,160
Speaker 11: have to kind of figure that out. When you talk

1416
01:12:39,200 --> 01:12:41,280
Speaker 11: about the calf strain and that he had, I believe

1417
01:12:41,280 --> 01:12:44,600
Speaker 11: that was twenty twenty three. You had the emergency appendectomy

1418
01:12:44,840 --> 01:12:47,960
Speaker 11: in twenty twenty two. I think it's so hard to

1419
01:12:48,040 --> 01:12:49,800
Speaker 11: keep all these injuries straight. If were bike onon OS

1420
01:12:49,800 --> 01:12:52,320
Speaker 11: twenty one coming off the ACL and then twenty four

1421
01:12:52,560 --> 01:12:54,560
Speaker 11: having the risk injury, which I think there are a

1422
01:12:54,600 --> 01:12:56,760
Speaker 11: lot of questions was of whether he was going to

1423
01:12:56,800 --> 01:12:59,160
Speaker 11: be the same quarterback, and I think he proved everybody wrong,

1424
01:12:59,240 --> 01:13:01,880
Speaker 11: including myself, which I told him point blank at some

1425
01:13:02,000 --> 01:13:04,960
Speaker 11: point during the season, because he looked so much better

1426
01:13:04,960 --> 01:13:07,200
Speaker 11: in the regular season than he did in the preseason.

1427
01:13:07,280 --> 01:13:09,800
Speaker 11: So you know, as long as something of that magnitude

1428
01:13:09,840 --> 01:13:12,360
Speaker 11: doesn't occur, I think there definitely is a way for

1429
01:13:12,400 --> 01:13:15,160
Speaker 11: them to be able to balance keeping their starters healthy,

1430
01:13:15,160 --> 01:13:18,439
Speaker 11: specifically Joe Burrow, but also making sure that they're primed

1431
01:13:18,479 --> 01:13:20,479
Speaker 11: and ready for that regular season.

1432
01:13:20,520 --> 01:13:21,800
Speaker 10: You know, I'm a big boxing guy.

1433
01:13:21,840 --> 01:13:23,799
Speaker 11: I think one of the old adages in the sport

1434
01:13:23,880 --> 01:13:25,880
Speaker 11: is that when a guy's making his ring walk, you

1435
01:13:26,000 --> 01:13:27,479
Speaker 11: like to see a little bit of sweat on him

1436
01:13:27,600 --> 01:13:29,360
Speaker 11: before they start the fight, because you know they're in

1437
01:13:29,360 --> 01:13:31,320
Speaker 11: good shape, you know they're ready to go, and they're

1438
01:13:31,360 --> 01:13:33,599
Speaker 11: ready to come out firing in round one. I think

1439
01:13:33,720 --> 01:13:36,240
Speaker 11: that analogy extends to the Bengals when you look at

1440
01:13:36,320 --> 01:13:38,200
Speaker 11: kind of the lack of juice they've had in those

1441
01:13:38,200 --> 01:13:40,120
Speaker 11: weeks one and week two. You want to make sure

1442
01:13:40,400 --> 01:13:42,400
Speaker 11: that they don't have that rust, that they're primed and

1443
01:13:42,439 --> 01:13:45,679
Speaker 11: ready to go, because there's no excuses for this franchise anymore,

1444
01:13:45,680 --> 01:13:48,320
Speaker 11: having missed the playoffs the last two years. They've resigned

1445
01:13:48,320 --> 01:13:51,080
Speaker 11: T Higgins, resigned Jamar Chase, they've got Joe Burrow playing

1446
01:13:51,080 --> 01:13:53,960
Speaker 11: at an MVP level. You've got almost all the pieces

1447
01:13:54,000 --> 01:13:56,960
Speaker 11: you need to compete at the highest level, and so

1448
01:13:57,000 --> 01:13:59,040
Speaker 11: it's up to them to figure this thing out because

1449
01:13:59,040 --> 01:14:01,880
Speaker 11: otherwise you've got to start asking some other questions about

1450
01:14:01,920 --> 01:14:03,519
Speaker 11: why this thing isn't really working.

1451
01:14:04,040 --> 01:14:05,800
Speaker 2: And then quickly before we let you go, Ben and

1452
01:14:05,800 --> 01:14:09,120
Speaker 2: thanks for the time. There is the issue with Hamilton

1453
01:14:09,240 --> 01:14:12,720
Speaker 2: County and having until the end of June to have

1454
01:14:12,760 --> 01:14:17,200
Speaker 2: an agreement on a stadium lease. Where do we see

1455
01:14:17,200 --> 01:14:20,280
Speaker 2: this going? Because we just saw the Bengals last week accusing,

1456
01:14:21,479 --> 01:14:26,720
Speaker 2: you know, government officials of playing favorites between the Bengals

1457
01:14:26,800 --> 01:14:29,879
Speaker 2: and the Browns who are also looking for a stadium agreement.

1458
01:14:31,080 --> 01:14:34,280
Speaker 2: How ugly does it get and where do we go

1459
01:14:34,960 --> 01:14:38,639
Speaker 2: if they really decide to play hardball and not sign

1460
01:14:38,680 --> 01:14:41,719
Speaker 2: a lease extension at pay Corps to buy themselves some time.

1461
01:14:43,080 --> 01:14:43,960
Speaker 10: Yeah, so, I.

1462
01:14:43,880 --> 01:14:46,120
Speaker 11: Think the biggest thing is is that there are a

1463
01:14:46,160 --> 01:14:47,559
Speaker 11: lot of parameters in place.

1464
01:14:47,360 --> 01:14:49,160
Speaker 10: For them to kind of extend things. You know, they

1465
01:14:49,240 --> 01:14:50,040
Speaker 10: could sign.

1466
01:14:50,080 --> 01:14:53,400
Speaker 11: Another agreement that basically pushes the timeline out a little

1467
01:14:53,439 --> 01:14:55,720
Speaker 11: bit further. I don't think anybody wants that at this

1468
01:14:55,840 --> 01:14:58,120
Speaker 11: point they can pick up the first of five two

1469
01:14:58,160 --> 01:15:01,240
Speaker 11: year options to extend their lease another two years. I

1470
01:15:01,320 --> 01:15:03,720
Speaker 11: know that in talking to folks in and around these

1471
01:15:03,720 --> 01:15:07,200
Speaker 11: negotiations that both sides are very keen on trying to

1472
01:15:07,200 --> 01:15:09,360
Speaker 11: get a long term deal done to keep the Bengals

1473
01:15:09,560 --> 01:15:12,719
Speaker 11: in Cincinnati. That would be what's best for everybody involved.

1474
01:15:12,720 --> 01:15:14,800
Speaker 11: When you talk to the Bengals, when you talk to

1475
01:15:15,080 --> 01:15:16,800
Speaker 11: county officials, government officials.

1476
01:15:16,520 --> 01:15:17,880
Speaker 10: I think they all want that.

1477
01:15:17,960 --> 01:15:21,000
Speaker 11: I think the big concern is how much state funding

1478
01:15:21,040 --> 01:15:22,880
Speaker 11: are they going to get, how much private funding is

1479
01:15:22,920 --> 01:15:24,479
Speaker 11: going to be involved in all of this. I think

1480
01:15:24,600 --> 01:15:27,040
Speaker 11: when you look at stating situations around the league, when

1481
01:15:27,080 --> 01:15:29,559
Speaker 11: you talk about Buffalo, we talk about Nashville, when you

1482
01:15:29,600 --> 01:15:33,599
Speaker 11: talk about Chicago, Cleveland as well, I think looking at

1483
01:15:33,640 --> 01:15:37,200
Speaker 11: that mix of how much public money is spent versus

1484
01:15:37,200 --> 01:15:39,559
Speaker 11: how much private money is spent, I think that's on

1485
01:15:39,600 --> 01:15:43,120
Speaker 11: the forefront of everybody's mind when they go through these negotiations.

1486
01:15:43,360 --> 01:15:46,160
Speaker 11: What makes things a little unique in Ohio is that

1487
01:15:46,240 --> 01:15:48,720
Speaker 11: Cleveland as well is trying to get some of that

1488
01:15:48,840 --> 01:15:51,519
Speaker 11: state dollars, and so the Bengals and the Browns both

1489
01:15:51,600 --> 01:15:54,320
Speaker 11: competing for money out of the state budget in order

1490
01:15:54,400 --> 01:15:57,680
Speaker 11: to help subsidize those stadium costs. I think there's a

1491
01:15:57,680 --> 01:16:01,240
Speaker 11: lot of debate on the nature of public versus private

1492
01:16:01,240 --> 01:16:03,960
Speaker 11: funding for some of these stadiums. You know, that's not

1493
01:16:04,080 --> 01:16:06,320
Speaker 11: part of my conversation. I think that you know, when

1494
01:16:06,360 --> 01:16:08,080
Speaker 11: you look at talking to folks, I think trying to

1495
01:16:08,080 --> 01:16:10,360
Speaker 11: figure out how that gets done, how to get it

1496
01:16:10,439 --> 01:16:12,880
Speaker 11: over the finish line, I think is going to be

1497
01:16:12,880 --> 01:16:14,880
Speaker 11: something to watch. I can tell you right now. They've

1498
01:16:14,920 --> 01:16:17,320
Speaker 11: made a lot of renovations on that stadium in recent years.

1499
01:16:17,360 --> 01:16:19,880
Speaker 11: Bengals got a new locker room last year. Our press room,

1500
01:16:20,040 --> 01:16:22,560
Speaker 11: our media press conference room right now is currently a

1501
01:16:22,640 --> 01:16:25,679
Speaker 11: makeshift one because they're renovating it ahead of the season.

1502
01:16:25,760 --> 01:16:29,120
Speaker 11: Other improvements being made on that stadium, So the type

1503
01:16:29,160 --> 01:16:31,400
Speaker 11: of work that leads you to believe they're going to

1504
01:16:31,439 --> 01:16:33,640
Speaker 11: be here at least a couple more years. But that

1505
01:16:33,800 --> 01:16:37,320
Speaker 11: June thirty deadline definitely a big one as they try

1506
01:16:37,360 --> 01:16:40,200
Speaker 11: to figure out the future of the Bengals in Hamilton County.

1507
01:16:40,200 --> 01:16:41,519
Speaker 10: But still a lot of time left.

1508
01:16:41,600 --> 01:16:45,000
Speaker 11: But the recent developments definitely not a great sign if

1509
01:16:45,000 --> 01:16:47,400
Speaker 11: we're being honest about where things currently stand.

1510
01:16:47,479 --> 01:16:50,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, not much of an offseason for Ben Baby here

1511
01:16:50,280 --> 01:16:53,240
Speaker 2: with all the balls in the air for the Bengals

1512
01:16:53,240 --> 01:16:55,559
Speaker 2: both on the field and off the field before.

1513
01:16:55,360 --> 01:16:58,040
Speaker 1: We let you go. It's really vital to this stadium

1514
01:16:58,160 --> 01:17:01,160
Speaker 1: lease because it's not only like they you know, they

1515
01:17:01,160 --> 01:17:03,800
Speaker 1: can play at Cincinnati University or whatever push comes up.

1516
01:17:03,840 --> 01:17:07,360
Speaker 1: They have no place to live there. Everyday home is

1517
01:17:07,439 --> 01:17:11,080
Speaker 1: that stadium, their practice facility, everything is on that property.

1518
01:17:11,479 --> 01:17:17,360
Speaker 1: If they can't live there, they have no place. They're homeless.

1519
01:17:18,280 --> 01:17:19,519
Speaker 1: I mean they're in a shopping cart.

1520
01:17:20,880 --> 01:17:22,720
Speaker 10: Yeah, and I agree. I mean, I think, you know,

1521
01:17:22,800 --> 01:17:23,559
Speaker 10: that's what it is.

1522
01:17:23,600 --> 01:17:25,920
Speaker 11: Probably a luxury to be able to have your headquarters

1523
01:17:26,240 --> 01:17:28,080
Speaker 11: be right there and to have be downtown. I think

1524
01:17:28,080 --> 01:17:30,760
Speaker 11: it's probably a little unique as well. You know, it's

1525
01:17:30,840 --> 01:17:33,839
Speaker 11: everything is so intertwined, like you said, when you explore

1526
01:17:33,880 --> 01:17:36,040
Speaker 11: other options, I think that makes things a little bit

1527
01:17:36,080 --> 01:17:39,280
Speaker 11: more challenging. But you know, Katie Blackburn, you know, said

1528
01:17:39,280 --> 01:17:41,799
Speaker 11: that they like the current location of being in Cincinnati.

1529
01:17:41,880 --> 01:17:44,679
Speaker 11: It's a family that's been in Cincinnati for decades now,

1530
01:17:44,720 --> 01:17:48,120
Speaker 11: ever since Paul Brown started that franchise, So, you know,

1531
01:17:48,200 --> 01:17:51,200
Speaker 11: I think the preferred thing would be to keep things.

1532
01:17:51,080 --> 01:17:53,960
Speaker 10: Where they're at. But obviously a lot of roadblocks.

1533
01:17:53,960 --> 01:17:56,360
Speaker 11: Everybody's got to overcome it, and I think it's going

1534
01:17:56,439 --> 01:17:58,240
Speaker 11: to be a very you know, as much as we

1535
01:17:58,320 --> 01:18:00,559
Speaker 11: talk about the on field stuff, I think that situation,

1536
01:18:00,880 --> 01:18:04,519
Speaker 11: the stadium situation, is probably the most interesting thing about

1537
01:18:04,560 --> 01:18:07,599
Speaker 11: this franchise and the biggest question about this franchise moving forward.

1538
01:18:08,200 --> 01:18:11,360
Speaker 2: Ben, Thanks for the time. Good luck getting some downtime

1539
01:18:11,479 --> 01:18:13,519
Speaker 2: somewhere in there, because I don't think it's gonna be

1540
01:18:13,520 --> 01:18:16,280
Speaker 2: a normal summer for you at all. Good luck they

1541
01:18:16,280 --> 01:18:17,200
Speaker 2: appreciate it never is.

1542
01:18:17,200 --> 01:18:18,160
Speaker 10: Thank y'all for having things.

1543
01:18:18,200 --> 01:18:21,680
Speaker 2: Ben appreciate you, Ben Baby, ESPN NFL Nation reporter on

1544
01:18:21,800 --> 01:18:25,160
Speaker 2: the Bengals. That guy's juggling a lot of balls in

1545
01:18:25,200 --> 01:18:29,639
Speaker 2: the air as they that team between hendrickson the stadium stuff,

1546
01:18:30,160 --> 01:18:34,960
Speaker 2: lease agreements. It's gonna be a big summer for that

1547
01:18:35,400 --> 01:18:37,280
Speaker 2: for people covering that team.

1548
01:18:37,840 --> 01:18:40,679
Speaker 1: Because of the way they run their show down there,

1549
01:18:40,680 --> 01:18:43,720
Speaker 1: and like they're just now getting the Buffalo Bills have

1550
01:18:43,920 --> 01:18:48,120
Speaker 1: had an indoor practice facility for thirty years, and before

1551
01:18:48,160 --> 01:18:49,680
Speaker 1: that they had one that wasn't as good, but at

1552
01:18:49,760 --> 01:18:50,400
Speaker 1: least they had one.

1553
01:18:50,439 --> 01:18:50,920
Speaker 2: It's a bubble.

1554
01:18:51,000 --> 01:18:54,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a bubble. So the Bengals are just now

1555
01:18:55,000 --> 01:18:59,040
Speaker 1: getting that. They also have no home away from that

1556
01:18:59,160 --> 01:19:01,519
Speaker 1: building that they play their football games in. There's no

1557
01:19:01,760 --> 01:19:04,920
Speaker 1: los and you go to most other teams and the

1558
01:19:04,960 --> 01:19:06,960
Speaker 1: Bills are a little different. They have a separate place,

1559
01:19:07,000 --> 01:19:11,200
Speaker 1: but it's just across the parking lot and you go

1560
01:19:11,240 --> 01:19:14,439
Speaker 1: to all those places, all these places, there is massive

1561
01:19:14,560 --> 01:19:17,240
Speaker 1: complexes away from the stadium out or in a way,

1562
01:19:17,280 --> 01:19:19,720
Speaker 1: particularly in a place like Cincinnati, where you could go

1563
01:19:19,760 --> 01:19:24,959
Speaker 1: across the river into Kentucky and and buy vast swaths

1564
01:19:24,960 --> 01:19:27,600
Speaker 1: of land and have your own setup, your own the

1565
01:19:27,640 --> 01:19:30,000
Speaker 1: whole thing. They just won't do it. They haven't done

1566
01:19:30,000 --> 01:19:30,880
Speaker 1: it for whatever reason.

1567
01:19:31,439 --> 01:19:32,400
Speaker 2: So I change now.

1568
01:19:32,479 --> 01:19:36,200
Speaker 1: They are tethered to the lease agreement like no other

1569
01:19:36,280 --> 01:19:37,920
Speaker 1: team is, even the Bills.

1570
01:19:38,000 --> 01:19:39,800
Speaker 2: Well, that's why they might be reluctant to sign an

1571
01:19:39,840 --> 01:19:42,360
Speaker 2: extension in an effort to get pushed, make push, come

1572
01:19:42,439 --> 01:19:43,960
Speaker 2: to shove. We got to take a break here, but

1573
01:19:44,000 --> 01:19:48,080
Speaker 2: more of your phone calls on the upcoming league vote

1574
01:19:48,439 --> 01:19:51,639
Speaker 2: on potential change to playoff seating. We want your take

1575
01:19:51,680 --> 01:19:53,559
Speaker 2: on it next here on One Bill's Live. Stay with us.

1576
01:20:09,800 --> 01:20:12,240
Speaker 2: All right, good conversation there with Ben Baby about the Bengals.

1577
01:20:12,240 --> 01:20:14,880
Speaker 2: They got a lot on their plate. I'm wondering if

1578
01:20:14,880 --> 01:20:17,479
Speaker 2: that stadium stuff becomes a distraction to the team, like

1579
01:20:17,520 --> 01:20:19,680
Speaker 2: where are we playing today? Where are we practicing? Well,

1580
01:20:19,920 --> 01:20:21,400
Speaker 2: I mean they're not gonna get asked about it, but

1581
01:20:21,800 --> 01:20:23,040
Speaker 2: they still gonna loom.

1582
01:20:24,000 --> 01:20:27,160
Speaker 1: I don't know what the rhetoric has been coming out

1583
01:20:27,160 --> 01:20:29,439
Speaker 1: of that negotiation, because I don't really you know, obviously

1584
01:20:29,520 --> 01:20:31,920
Speaker 1: we don't give too much thought to that, and you figure, ah,

1585
01:20:32,000 --> 01:20:34,479
Speaker 1: this stuff's gonna get taken care of it. Well, you

1586
01:20:34,520 --> 01:20:39,920
Speaker 1: know what, maybe not, because there's there's been there's always

1587
01:20:40,000 --> 01:20:42,760
Speaker 1: something we don't know about when you start dealing those

1588
01:20:42,840 --> 01:20:45,080
Speaker 1: levels up there where you're starting to talk about thousands

1589
01:20:45,680 --> 01:20:49,960
Speaker 1: millions of dollars in leases and how important that lease

1590
01:20:50,080 --> 01:20:54,240
Speaker 1: is to the renter, which is the Bengals, and what

1591
01:20:54,320 --> 01:20:58,280
Speaker 1: it actually does bring to the city right now, certainly

1592
01:20:58,280 --> 01:21:01,400
Speaker 1: this I mean politics being what they are, the city

1593
01:21:01,400 --> 01:21:03,320
Speaker 1: doesn't care what it does for them. They just want

1594
01:21:03,400 --> 01:21:06,640
Speaker 1: the most they can get. But man, oh man.

1595
01:21:07,240 --> 01:21:09,120
Speaker 2: It's gonna get I think it's gonna get icy.

1596
01:21:09,520 --> 01:21:13,440
Speaker 1: Doesn't everything get ugly with Cincinnati Bengals.

1597
01:21:14,520 --> 01:21:16,519
Speaker 2: Doesn't it seem like there's a fair share of that.

1598
01:21:16,640 --> 01:21:18,679
Speaker 1: Yes, former players.

1599
01:21:18,640 --> 01:21:20,840
Speaker 2: And we only briefly touched on it. Loul Aneerumo is

1600
01:21:20,880 --> 01:21:24,680
Speaker 2: not there anymore. Al Golden comes from Notre Dame to

1601
01:21:24,760 --> 01:21:27,280
Speaker 2: coach their defense. I'm not sure that's gonna be all

1602
01:21:27,320 --> 01:21:30,240
Speaker 2: hunky dory either. Let's get back to the phones, though,

1603
01:21:30,280 --> 01:21:34,280
Speaker 2: because we're talking playoff seating. The upcoming NFL owners meetings

1604
01:21:34,280 --> 01:21:37,400
Speaker 2: in Minneapolis starting tomorrow, there will be a vote put

1605
01:21:37,479 --> 01:21:40,559
Speaker 2: before them to vote yes or no on the Lion's

1606
01:21:40,680 --> 01:21:43,920
Speaker 2: proposal to change playoff seating. It just goes strictly on

1607
01:21:43,920 --> 01:21:46,600
Speaker 2: one loss record one through seven in each conference. You

1608
01:21:46,640 --> 01:21:48,280
Speaker 2: let us know if you'd vote yes or no for that.

1609
01:21:48,360 --> 01:21:50,479
Speaker 2: At eight oh three oh five point fifty to Mark

1610
01:21:50,520 --> 01:21:52,920
Speaker 2: and west senecon nex. What's up Mark, Hi.

1611
01:21:52,920 --> 01:22:00,679
Speaker 5: Guys today? Good a interesting conversation. But I'm mean towards

1612
01:22:00,720 --> 01:22:02,960
Speaker 5: more I think Brownie, what I think I heard you say,

1613
01:22:04,000 --> 01:22:08,559
Speaker 5: see what the division playoff or Matt, but tweaking it

1614
01:22:08,600 --> 01:22:11,320
Speaker 5: at the bottom there if you have a sub five

1615
01:22:11,400 --> 01:22:15,679
Speaker 5: hundred division winner. The one thing that isn't The thing

1616
01:22:15,680 --> 01:22:20,840
Speaker 5: that I don't like about straight seeding one through seven

1617
01:22:21,080 --> 01:22:25,439
Speaker 5: based on record is there's way too many variables when

1618
01:22:25,479 --> 01:22:28,840
Speaker 5: you do something like that in order to even the

1619
01:22:28,880 --> 01:22:31,960
Speaker 5: playing field. The really fair way to do it is

1620
01:22:31,960 --> 01:22:35,160
Speaker 5: if every team played the same team during the year

1621
01:22:35,640 --> 01:22:38,479
Speaker 5: and then the end result is the end result. But

1622
01:22:38,720 --> 01:22:41,360
Speaker 5: we've got teams that are playing first, second, third play

1623
01:22:41,439 --> 01:22:45,040
Speaker 5: schedules based on the previous season, and then we're not

1624
01:22:45,120 --> 01:22:49,080
Speaker 5: even taking into account strength of schedule of the year.

1625
01:22:49,160 --> 01:22:51,040
Speaker 5: As the year is going on, as in the one

1626
01:22:51,120 --> 01:22:55,200
Speaker 5: loss records of the team they're playing during the course

1627
01:22:55,280 --> 01:22:58,559
Speaker 5: of the season. So my point is this isn't there

1628
01:22:59,479 --> 01:23:02,439
Speaker 5: that in all I mean, it's sixteen gets seated before

1629
01:23:02,560 --> 01:23:06,680
Speaker 5: A ten and seventeen and A tenant seventeen played teams

1630
01:23:07,280 --> 01:23:09,400
Speaker 5: at the end of the year that won thirty more

1631
01:23:09,439 --> 01:23:12,640
Speaker 5: games that hole than the team above them, right, and

1632
01:23:12,720 --> 01:23:15,760
Speaker 5: we're not accounting for that. And of course before on

1633
01:23:15,880 --> 01:23:20,479
Speaker 5: that is also we're not putting the same thing. You know,

1634
01:23:20,720 --> 01:23:23,519
Speaker 5: X apples and oranges, who they plays, they're not playing

1635
01:23:23,560 --> 01:23:24,360
Speaker 5: the same schedule.

1636
01:23:24,479 --> 01:23:27,559
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, here's the thing, here's the rub. You don't

1637
01:23:27,560 --> 01:23:30,840
Speaker 1: play enough games, right, You're you're setting the schedule because

1638
01:23:30,880 --> 01:23:33,840
Speaker 1: of last year's results, and of course, as we all

1639
01:23:33,880 --> 01:23:38,640
Speaker 1: know well, prior results do not do not future outcomes.

1640
01:23:39,200 --> 01:23:42,599
Speaker 1: So but you're saying, and I think it's it holds

1641
01:23:42,600 --> 01:23:45,160
Speaker 1: some water that you get down the road and you

1642
01:23:45,160 --> 01:23:50,080
Speaker 1: start taking into account how strong the schedule is this year,

1643
01:23:50,080 --> 01:23:52,880
Speaker 1: and you get fifteen games into the regular season and

1644
01:23:52,920 --> 01:23:54,679
Speaker 1: you think, okay, we got a kind of good feel

1645
01:23:54,720 --> 01:23:57,559
Speaker 1: of that because this team has played a schedule that

1646
01:23:57,640 --> 01:23:59,639
Speaker 1: looked weak at the beginning of the season, but now

1647
01:23:59,680 --> 01:24:02,559
Speaker 1: turns out that's a pretty good, pretty rough schedule, and

1648
01:24:02,600 --> 01:24:04,800
Speaker 1: they've still hung in there and gotten to the playoffs,

1649
01:24:05,479 --> 01:24:09,479
Speaker 1: whereas a team that was the division champs, all of

1650
01:24:09,479 --> 01:24:13,400
Speaker 1: a sudden they're playing a different division and they're getting

1651
01:24:14,400 --> 01:24:16,760
Speaker 1: hit in the face by a bad schedule, and even

1652
01:24:16,800 --> 01:24:19,360
Speaker 1: the teams that are beating them have not won any games. Right,

1653
01:24:19,439 --> 01:24:22,200
Speaker 1: So look, get that. Look the problem is this, Here's

1654
01:24:22,200 --> 01:24:24,760
Speaker 1: why I say all that says you kind of go

1655
01:24:24,840 --> 01:24:27,720
Speaker 1: down the same road. You're gonna get there to where

1656
01:24:27,720 --> 01:24:30,040
Speaker 1: you're gonna say, well, even if we lose to this team,

1657
01:24:30,280 --> 01:24:33,680
Speaker 1: their strength to schedule puts us right back in the

1658
01:24:33,840 --> 01:24:35,679
Speaker 1: in the one or the two seed or the three seed,

1659
01:24:35,760 --> 01:24:38,320
Speaker 1: you're gonna get right back to the point where the

1660
01:24:38,360 --> 01:24:43,000
Speaker 1: strength of schedule takes away the importance of the games

1661
01:24:43,040 --> 01:24:45,759
Speaker 1: at the end of the season because of who they're playing. Yeah,

1662
01:24:46,000 --> 01:24:47,320
Speaker 1: I don't know if that that's convoluted.

1663
01:24:47,400 --> 01:24:48,080
Speaker 2: Get what I'm saying.

1664
01:24:48,560 --> 01:24:49,759
Speaker 1: You get what I'm saying, though.

1665
01:24:49,680 --> 01:24:52,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, to a certain extent. I mean I think also

1666
01:24:52,040 --> 01:24:56,200
Speaker 2: we have to remember that in the current playoff system,

1667
01:24:56,680 --> 01:24:58,880
Speaker 2: they do count strength of schedule and they do count

1668
01:24:58,880 --> 01:25:02,320
Speaker 2: strength of victory. The problem is they're tiebreakers five and six. Yeah,

1669
01:25:02,320 --> 01:25:05,400
Speaker 2: they're tiebreakers and tiebreaker five and six, which you almost

1670
01:25:05,439 --> 01:25:09,280
Speaker 2: never get to right. And then secondarily, I wanted to

1671
01:25:09,280 --> 01:25:12,400
Speaker 2: bring this up because we talk about the rotational schedule

1672
01:25:12,640 --> 01:25:15,120
Speaker 2: and the importance of a first play schedule, and how

1673
01:25:15,160 --> 01:25:19,920
Speaker 2: schedules are not equally distributed. There are inequities and they're

1674
01:25:20,200 --> 01:25:23,240
Speaker 2: unavoidable because in the NFL you don't play enough games

1675
01:25:23,439 --> 01:25:26,120
Speaker 2: to even out those inequities. There's no way to play

1676
01:25:26,200 --> 01:25:28,320
Speaker 2: the other thirty one teams in the league in one

1677
01:25:28,400 --> 01:25:31,559
Speaker 2: season because you only play seventeen games. Even if you

1678
01:25:31,640 --> 01:25:34,840
Speaker 2: took the doubling up against division opponents out, that's only

1679
01:25:34,920 --> 01:25:38,280
Speaker 2: three more opponents you would play. So you're only playing

1680
01:25:38,320 --> 01:25:41,920
Speaker 2: seventeen opponents at most in a season. It's barely half

1681
01:25:41,920 --> 01:25:44,040
Speaker 2: of the league, barely more than half the league. So

1682
01:25:44,560 --> 01:25:47,080
Speaker 2: there's no easy way to iron that out. And look,

1683
01:25:47,240 --> 01:25:49,480
Speaker 2: there are teams that are gonna be at a disadvantage

1684
01:25:49,479 --> 01:25:51,519
Speaker 2: of that. Look the Eagles go to the Super Bowl

1685
01:25:51,600 --> 01:25:54,599
Speaker 2: and lose to the Chiefs three years ago, they play

1686
01:25:54,600 --> 01:25:57,080
Speaker 2: a first place schedule the next year. In that schedule,

1687
01:25:57,080 --> 01:26:02,160
Speaker 2: they played eleven playoff teams in seventeen games. They go

1688
01:26:02,240 --> 01:26:05,360
Speaker 2: eleven and six. They crawl into the playoffs and they're exhausted,

1689
01:26:05,640 --> 01:26:07,599
Speaker 2: they lose in the first round of the playoffs, they

1690
01:26:07,600 --> 01:26:09,960
Speaker 2: come back next year, more favorable schedule, they win the

1691
01:26:09,960 --> 01:26:14,120
Speaker 2: whole damn thing. So there is something to be said

1692
01:26:14,160 --> 01:26:16,960
Speaker 2: about that strength of schedule, who you're playing, when you're

1693
01:26:16,960 --> 01:26:20,240
Speaker 2: playing them first play schedules versus last play schedules. It's

1694
01:26:20,320 --> 01:26:22,960
Speaker 2: all part of the mix. And the variables are so

1695
01:26:23,160 --> 01:26:26,439
Speaker 2: great that to just arbitrarily say one through seven make

1696
01:26:26,479 --> 01:26:29,320
Speaker 2: it happen. I think there's a drawback to that. But

1697
01:26:30,000 --> 01:26:32,479
Speaker 2: I think what make carry the day here on this vote, Steve,

1698
01:26:33,479 --> 01:26:37,759
Speaker 2: is what a one through seven, one lost record playoff

1699
01:26:37,800 --> 01:26:41,120
Speaker 2: seating will do is it will force teams to play

1700
01:26:41,120 --> 01:26:44,439
Speaker 2: their starters more in week eighteen, which means better product

1701
01:26:44,439 --> 01:26:45,720
Speaker 2: for the networks.

1702
01:26:46,160 --> 01:26:48,800
Speaker 1: And some more compelling outcomes.

1703
01:26:48,920 --> 01:26:52,120
Speaker 2: That's enough to tip the scales with the owners who

1704
01:26:52,240 --> 01:26:55,879
Speaker 2: know their cash cow are the networks and streaming services.

1705
01:26:55,960 --> 01:26:56,040
Speaker 7: Ye.

1706
01:26:56,200 --> 01:26:59,120
Speaker 2: Because they can deliver a better product one more week

1707
01:26:59,200 --> 01:27:02,240
Speaker 2: than they do already, the money keeps coming in.

1708
01:27:02,560 --> 01:27:05,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, and because the eyeballs will raise. Yes, I mean

1709
01:27:05,880 --> 01:27:09,599
Speaker 1: people want to watch those games instead of turning off games.

1710
01:27:09,600 --> 01:27:12,160
Speaker 1: With you know, Joe Milton.

1711
01:27:11,920 --> 01:27:14,120
Speaker 2: We'll ask yourself, did you watch the whole game front

1712
01:27:14,160 --> 01:27:17,120
Speaker 2: to back of Week eighteen against the Patriots last year

1713
01:27:18,120 --> 01:27:20,679
Speaker 2: with you know, no offense Mitchell Trubisky in the game.

1714
01:27:20,760 --> 01:27:23,600
Speaker 1: I know you took the second half off, but still.

1715
01:27:24,520 --> 01:27:28,599
Speaker 2: Right, I'm trying to remember all these extra names, right

1716
01:27:28,640 --> 01:27:30,000
Speaker 2: and whose number they are? What?

1717
01:27:30,640 --> 01:27:31,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know.

1718
01:27:32,240 --> 01:27:35,160
Speaker 2: I think it could they scale. Here's the thing they are.

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Speaker 2: Beholden to those networks and streaming.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna break. But here's the thing they're gonna they

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Speaker 1: can get better. They can get better, and they're gonna

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Speaker 1: put it in writing. There's not gonna be any committee

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Speaker 1: at the end of the season said well I like

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Speaker 1: this team better than there's none of this NCAAA stuff.

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Speaker 1: It's gonna be in writing and you're gonna be able

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Speaker 1: to know exactly what you're gonna get. That's one of

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Speaker 1: the things they do right. But they can tweak it

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Speaker 1: to get better, and I think we all feel it.

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Speaker 1: Let's see what they come up with.

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Speaker 2: Break time for us here. We'll check the tweet sheet

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Speaker 2: in the final segment to see what your thoughts are

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Speaker 2: there next here on One Bill's Live, Stay with us,

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Speaker 2: all right, gonna take a look at the tweet sheet

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Speaker 2: here in the final segment of the show here on

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Speaker 2: a Monday, would you vote yes or no on the

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Speaker 2: NFL's upcoming vote to change the playoff seating. Paul says,

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Speaker 2: add an eighth seed and get rid of the first

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Speaker 2: round by I think that might water it down a

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Speaker 2: little bit. More tweets sheet brought to you by Corrigan

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Speaker 2: Vince says division winners should still get home games, but

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Speaker 2: only if they have a winning record. If a division

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Speaker 2: winner doesn't have a winning record, then they should be

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Speaker 2: reseeded with all the remaining wildcard teams best record should

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Speaker 2: get that home game. That seems fair. That's kind of

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Speaker 2: what I was suggesting. Nos Ball says, no division opponents

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Speaker 2: are your immediate competitors. Win division host a game. If

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Speaker 2: we want to receive, then eliminate divisions all together and

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Speaker 2: play a balanced schedule. Like soccer. You play every AFC

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Speaker 2: team with a few cross conference games that rotate. So

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Speaker 2: your schedule if you're in the AFC, you play every

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Speaker 2: team in the AFC, and then you have two games

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Speaker 2: against NFC opponents on a rotational base.

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Speaker 1: Probably the two games that are the team's right with

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Speaker 1: you in the standings from the year before.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's not terrible.

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Speaker 1: Like I see it. It's fine.

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Speaker 2: Connor says.

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Speaker 1: It's hard to get rivalries now that.

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Speaker 2: Connor says, I absolutely think this should pass. I know

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Speaker 2: winning a division is hard to do, but we've seen

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Speaker 2: so many times teams win their division with losing records.

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Speaker 2: AFC South NFC South are two divisions who are truly bad,

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Speaker 2: and we saw it last year with the Vikings, who

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Speaker 2: deserve to play at home. That's why this thing's on

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Speaker 2: the table. I get it be interesting to see what

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Speaker 2: the vote is tomorrow or Wednesday.

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Speaker 1: I'm right where I was right before. They could do better.

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Speaker 1: They need to tweak it. I don't know if this

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Speaker 1: is it.

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Speaker 2: We'll see soon enough. That's it for us today. We'll

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Speaker 2: see you tomorrow at one