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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. What does a shadowy figure

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Speaker 1: seemingly caught on home surveillance video have to do with

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Speaker 1: a young dad of four being shot dead on the road,

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Speaker 1: one of his children in the car when he innocently

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Speaker 1: the two of these connect? And how did that tire

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Speaker 1: get in the middle of the road. I Nancy Grace,

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Speaker 1: this is Crime Stories. Thank you for being with us

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Speaker 1: here at Fox Station and Serious X one eleven. Let's

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Speaker 1: News for bizarre and frightening twisted the murder of a

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Speaker 1: local father of four two months ago. The widow of

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Speaker 1: Jared Bridegain send us this video showing what she believes

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Speaker 1: is a suspicious person on her property about a week

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Speaker 1: after her husband slaying. Bridigen was driving home from his

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Speaker 1: ex wife's house in Jacksono Beach two months ago when

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Speaker 1: police said he stopped in the road to remove attire

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Speaker 1: and that's when somebody shot him multiple times with his

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Speaker 1: two year old daughter in the backseat of a suv.

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Speaker 1: It is for Jackson What a big mcolouch. He shows

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Speaker 1: us more of that video. Am spoke with Bridegan's widow.

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Speaker 1: Take a look for yourself. This is video from the

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Speaker 1: Bridegan's Knocket driveway. He was recorded around seven fifteen pm

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Speaker 1: on February twenty fourth, that's a week and a day

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Speaker 1: after Jared's murder. Here's the person. We have the video

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Speaker 1: It's not enough to identify anyone, but it is frightening

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Speaker 1: for Jared's widow, Kirston. You can clearly see that it

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Speaker 1: is a figure walking across the victim's widows yard. Now,

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Speaker 1: very often there are distortions and for instance, ring cameras

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Speaker 1: like a person. You can slow them down. You can

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Speaker 1: reach back in time to see who walked across your

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Speaker 1: front yard three weeks ago. But here you can tell

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Speaker 1: this is a person. Listen to more of what the

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Speaker 1: victim's widow has to say. So it's very concerned. It

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Speaker 1: was so soon after Jared had been murdered and now

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Speaker 1: someone was at our home. It was not okay, she

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Speaker 1: tells us. She called nine one one right away and

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Speaker 1: messaged some of her neighbors and one of my amazing

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Speaker 1: neighbors ex military team, and he and his dog and

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Speaker 1: I went through the yard checking to make sure no

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Speaker 1: one was still there. The Saint John's County Sheriff's office responded,

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Speaker 1: but there are no leads as to who or what

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Speaker 1: it was. You'll notice in the video that a neighbor

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Speaker 1: the bride again. Property deputies have since picked up patrols

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Speaker 1: watching over the home. Do you have any idea who

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Speaker 1: this may be? No, no idea. You know, it's so

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Speaker 1: this is related to Jared's murder or not. No, you know,

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Speaker 1: besides the timing, and that timing is just odd. And

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Speaker 1: this sort has ever happened before. So that's what put

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Speaker 1: me on edge, is the timing. Meanwhile, Jacksonville Beach Police

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Speaker 1: digital evidence to be analyzed. As the widow said, the

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Speaker 1: timing makes it seemed like more than a coincidence that

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Speaker 1: at night, skulking around. And can you imagine having to

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Speaker 1: deal with the murder of your husband, the father of

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Speaker 1: Why with me in Austar Pale to make sense of

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Speaker 1: what we know right now? Kathleen Murphy joining us out

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Speaker 1: of North Carolina. She's at NC Domestic Law dot com

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Speaker 1: and this is her hometown, Jacksonville Beach, Florida. Renowned psychiatrists

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Speaker 1: joining us out of the Atlanta jurisdiction, Doctor Angela Arnold,

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Speaker 1: you can find her at angela Arnold MD dot com.

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Speaker 1: Professor Forensics, Jacksonville State University, author of Blood Beneath My

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Speaker 1: Bodybacks with Joseph Scott Morgan with US death investigator Joe

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Speaker 1: Scott Morgan Butt First, I'm want to go to investigative

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Speaker 1: reporter joining us out of Orlando, Florida, our longtime colleague

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Speaker 1: Ray Caputo. Ray, what happened to father of fort Jared Brittigan? Well,

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Speaker 1: Jared was a sharing custody with his AX. So it

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Speaker 1: If you put this in Google Maps, that'll take it

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Speaker 1: you're telling me. First of all, this is what jumps

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Speaker 1: out at me and anybody on the panel. Remember this

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Speaker 1: ain't no party at High Grove. Jump in. You don't

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Speaker 1: with crumpets. Ray Caputo, you said it's a one way street. Yes, no, yes, man,

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Speaker 1: this is his routine drive home, right? Ye? How far

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Speaker 1: So he's closer to where he dropped off the kids,

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Speaker 1: but he's not on his way back, So he's three

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Speaker 1: eighteen miles. He's not far from where he dropped off

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Speaker 1: is thirty three. His wife is Kirsten Brittigan. They have

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Speaker 1: two children who were twins, Bexley and London. And how

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Speaker 1: That's why she wasn't with him. She's just a pretty

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Speaker 1: and really nobody saw anything, Nancy. You just hear several gunshots.

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Speaker 1: to Jared, Nancy is really a crime that's been happening

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Speaker 1: was an old fashioned ambush and Jared got murdered. Guys,

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Speaker 1: Time stories with Nancy Grace. I'm trying to piece everything

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Speaker 1: Arnold joining us out of Atlanta? What the little two

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Speaker 1: Family Children's Services. I won't go into how he murdered

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Speaker 1: the gym. I hope David doesn't divorce me because I've

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Speaker 1: gained weight. Didn't you say a stressed dad? Yes, he says,

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Speaker 1: stressed dad. What's laughable about that? There's no such thing

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Speaker 1: as a stressed dad because moms do everything. Oh okay, well,

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Speaker 1: I can tell you right now. My husband is way stressed.

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Speaker 1: He works, He helps me take care of the twins.

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Speaker 1: He helps me take care of my mother who lives

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Speaker 1: with us. He takes care of the dog, the cat,

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Speaker 1: the guineas right in there with me, and works crazy hours.

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Speaker 1: He's stressed out. True, he doesn't do as much around

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Speaker 1: the house and with the twins that I do. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: but still, you know, I hear what you're saying. But

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Speaker 1: I'm kind of knocked out by the fact that she

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Speaker 1: got frustrated with him because he was trying to start

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Speaker 1: a business and gained weight. She was into the gym man,

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Speaker 1: she was going over there that's one way of putting it.

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Speaker 1: She was really into it, and that's when she came

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Speaker 1: out and she had an affair. She had an affair

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Speaker 1: with the personal trainer. According to that reporter. If you

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Speaker 1: see pictures of her now, she is extremely buff. Are

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Speaker 1: we're talking about the first wife, the ex wife? Correct?

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Speaker 1: First wife, the first wife? Okay, So Ray Kaputo, is

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Speaker 1: that correct that she joins a gym and starts an

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Speaker 1: affair with a personal trainer. That's correct, Nancy. Assume these

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Speaker 1: two were going in two different directions. That's certainly putting

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Speaker 1: perfume on the pig. Going in different directions. That's Hollywood

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Speaker 1: or TV talk. We're going in another direction. She was

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Speaker 1: mad at him because he gained weight and got a

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Speaker 1: lover at the gym. I mean, he didn't gain weight.

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Speaker 1: I like her husband, who's helping her raise the children

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Speaker 1: and trying to start a business. You know. Take a

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Speaker 1: listen to more of our Forensic crime online dot com.

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Speaker 1: During the divorce negotiations, Gardner demands exclusive incupancy of the

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Speaker 1: home and primary custody. She also accuses Bright again of

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Speaker 1: threatening to take cash from their children's trust funds for

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Speaker 1: his own use. Bright again claims that he deserves primary custody, alimony,

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Speaker 1: child support, and exclusive use of their home as she

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Speaker 1: has means to live elsewhere due to her family's wealth.

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Speaker 1: Bright again also accuses Gardener of spying on him by

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Speaker 1: hiding baby monitors in the children's bedrooms. Bright again says

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Speaker 1: that even though there are monitors in plain sight, he

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Speaker 1: finds monitors under his daughter's dresser and under his son's bed.

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Speaker 1: He also accuses Gardener of attaching a tracking device to

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Speaker 1: his car and allegedly placing a voice activated recorder in

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Speaker 1: the house. And then there was the lock on the

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Speaker 1: master bedroom door. Bright again says he was not given

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Speaker 1: a key. Bright against most disturbing claim was that Gardner

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Speaker 1: unilaterally canceled their then three year old son's heart surgery

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Speaker 1: after they had waited months for the appointment. That was

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Speaker 1: a lot. Okay, how can I analyze what I discerned? Okay?

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Speaker 1: I accused his wive number one, I'm attaching tracking devices

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Speaker 1: to his car, a voice activated recorder in the home.

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Speaker 1: Tracker right, several monitors not only in plain sight, but

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Speaker 1: under a dresser and under the sun's bed. But what

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Speaker 1: also got my attention was that he says and this

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Speaker 1: is the now murder victim, that he should get alimony

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Speaker 1: and custody. That sounds like he was the one taking

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Speaker 1: care of the children. Is that what happened? He ended

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Speaker 1: up taking care of the children, Rakipeda. Well, I can't

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Speaker 1: speculate on that, Nancy, But what I can say to

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Speaker 1: add light to that is she came from a very

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Speaker 1: wealthy family and she wooed Jared. You know, some witnesses

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Speaker 1: would say with money and promise of a really good life.

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Speaker 1: So she came from a lot more money than him.

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Speaker 1: So that's what I can speculate on the alimony part

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Speaker 1: of this book. Okay, let's go to our domestic lawyer,

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Speaker 1: Kathy Murphy. When you're asking for full custody and alimony

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Speaker 1: and child support, sounds to me like she had the

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Speaker 1: money and he's taking care of the children. That would

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Speaker 1: be true, And it's also true that any gifts from

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Speaker 1: her family members could be considered income to her, and

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Speaker 1: they were living a life that far exceeded their abilities.

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Speaker 1: They were leaving living the lifestyle based on all the

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Speaker 1: gifts and the income from her family, which were substantial. Okay,

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Speaker 1: you guys, take a listen to our cut twenty two

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Speaker 1: from our friends at crime Online. The divorce battle rages

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Speaker 1: on for six years as the parents constantly spar over

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Speaker 1: everything related to their children, where would they go to school,

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Speaker 1: modifications of their custody agreements, and child support. During that time,

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Speaker 1: both bright Again and Gardner meet and marry other people.

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Speaker 1: Bright Again Mary's Kerston, whom he met on a dating app.

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Speaker 1: Gardner marries Mario Fernandez and hyphenates her name. But disagreements continue.

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Speaker 1: Stop right there, Doctor Angela Arnold her trainer. You know, Nancy,

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Speaker 1: Oftentimes people don't don't go too far. He was there.

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Speaker 1: He was He probably loved the kind of lifestyle that

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Speaker 1: she could possibly she needed that attention her. It sounds

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Speaker 1: to me like her initial husband, who has now been murdered,

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Speaker 1: the father of her twins, wasn't so impressed by the

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Speaker 1: money that the family had that he was never impressed

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Speaker 1: by that from the get go, even when she was

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Speaker 1: trying to lure him none. So she was seeking someone

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Speaker 1: who was impressed by that and who she could impress

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Speaker 1: by all of the millions that her family of origin

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Speaker 1: brought to the table. He was right there, he you know,

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Speaker 1: he was training her times to race with Nancy Grace.

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Speaker 1: Isn't it true, Ray Kiputo joining us out of Florida

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Speaker 1: that right up until the time that he was murdered,

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Speaker 1: they were still in court arguing. I mean, I think

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Speaker 1: their most recent thing was about one of the children's

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Speaker 1: breathing devices. Yeah, I mean, Nancy, this relationship had a

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Speaker 1: lot of highly flammable components. You had Jaded X's young kids,

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Speaker 1: new partners, custody issues. I mean, these two are basically

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Speaker 1: in like a six year litigation battle after they were divorced.

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Speaker 1: I mean, it was just one thing after another. Just

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Speaker 1: four months before bright Agan's murder, she the X Shannon

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Speaker 1: Gardner was fighting about a five hundred and seventy one

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Speaker 1: dollar discrepancy and fighting over a breathing machine that the

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Speaker 1: Sun used. A new motions filed just last year that

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Speaker 1: bright Agen would not allow Gardner Fernandez to borrow a

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Speaker 1: small breathing machine for their son for use at high altitude.

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00:33:11,000 --> 00:33:14,160
Speaker 1: Gardner Fernandez has a larger machine, but it's less convenient

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00:33:14,200 --> 00:33:17,800
Speaker 1: for traveling, she claims, bright Again, it's just being vindictive.

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00:33:18,280 --> 00:33:21,160
Speaker 1: A court ruled just four months before bright Again's murder

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Speaker 1: that he would pay Gardener Fernandez five hundred and seventy

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Speaker 1: one dollars but retain exclusive use of the smaller machine.

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Speaker 1: It sounds really petty to me that they're still arguing

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Speaker 1: about this six years on Kathleen Murphy and they're trying

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Speaker 1: to make it a point that they're assigned judge. But

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Speaker 1: a lot of people don't realize in domestic cases is

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Speaker 1: you have just one judge, and when you have an

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Speaker 1: opportunity of apparent being bad, it doesn't matter the worse

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Speaker 1: of that being bad. You want it brought to your

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Speaker 1: judge's attention. If you are in a litigation mode, you

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Speaker 1: want that judge to know he can't even give me

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Speaker 1: this machine, and he should be fine for not giving

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Speaker 1: me this machine, or he should be rugged if he's

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Speaker 1: got a hundred percent of it. Sounds really petty to

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Speaker 1: doctor Angela Arnold. I would be very concerned if I

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Speaker 1: found out my spouse had spying devices in the home,

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Speaker 1: spying on me. But I mean, what does that mean

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Speaker 1: to you? You're the shrink, not me. Wow, it means

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Speaker 1: to me that she, oh my goodness, she's a very

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Speaker 1: untrusting of her ex spouse and she's trying to maybe

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Speaker 1: she doesn't trust that he can take care of the

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Speaker 1: kids properly. Maybe she's trying to find out something about him,

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Speaker 1: but she doesn't trust him to. Rika Pude joining us

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Speaker 1: out of Florida. What is the very latest? Well, the

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Speaker 1: very latest is that the ex Shanna Gardner, her family

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Speaker 1: or her her she's got a very high powered criminal

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Speaker 1: discus ense attorney. And you can interpret that how you want.

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00:35:03,000 --> 00:35:06,680
Speaker 1: The defense attorney says it's simply for the twins and

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Speaker 1: to keep them safe, but some other folks are interpret

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Speaker 1: that another way that she may have something to hide. So,

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Speaker 1: Ray Caputo, you're right, she has hired a gun. She

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Speaker 1: has hired Henry Cox, the third veteran criminal defense attorney

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Speaker 1: and former president of the Florida Bar Is that right,

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Speaker 1: Ray Caputo? That is correct? Nancy. Why, Well, you've got

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Speaker 1: someone who has a lot of money and a lot

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Speaker 1: to protect. I mean, right now, no matter what happens,

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Speaker 1: there's a lot of speculation that this X may have

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Speaker 1: had something to do. I mean, certainly, all the conditions

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Speaker 1: are there, and even if she's completely innocent, that's what

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Speaker 1: a lot of folks are thinking. So she's got a

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Speaker 1: lot on the line right now. Right now, no one

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Speaker 1: has been named a suspect. Cox has stated he was

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Speaker 1: hired by Fernandez and her new husband, Mario to protect

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Speaker 1: the privacy of her twins, Abbey and Liam, as the

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Speaker 1: murder case of her ex husband, the children's bio dad,

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Speaker 1: remains unsolved. You know, I think the first step in

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Speaker 1: protecting the privacy of your children would be to takedown

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Speaker 1: pictures of them on Facebook. I mean, it's just a

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Speaker 1: suggestion to protect their privacy. Why do you need Kathleen Murphy,

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Speaker 1: a high profile defense lawyer, to protect your children's privacy.

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Speaker 1: Explain to me, you're the domestic lawyer. Explain to me

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Speaker 1: what that means. It means nothing. I don't think there's

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Speaker 1: any protection of these children. The children's grandmother, who is

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Speaker 1: a source of funds for this family, has posted every

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Speaker 1: single professional photograph of the children's service for their father

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Speaker 1: on the beach. It was a separate service, It looked

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Speaker 1: like a garden party, and it's all over the internet.

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Speaker 1: So I don't think it's for the benefit of these children.

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Speaker 1: I don't think that there's any sense. Well, we can't

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Speaker 1: go into their minds and figure out why. But I

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Speaker 1: do know her ex husband's been murdered and she has

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Speaker 1: a criminal defense attorney. Now here's another thing. The root

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Speaker 1: of all evil, according to some, is the love of money.

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Speaker 1: Let me just throw in here that when their relationship started,

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Speaker 1: Jared Brightigan and wife Shelley Gardner, her parents co founded

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Speaker 1: the Utah based company Stamping Up. It's a paper craft company,

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Speaker 1: and her parents business ballooned into a one hundred million

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Speaker 1: dollar venture. That's a lot of wooing right there, one

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Speaker 1: hundred million dollar pot to dip in to. No one

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Speaker 1: has been named a suspect, No one has been named

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Speaker 1: a person of interest at all, and we wait as

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Speaker 1: just as unfalse. Nancy Grace Crime Stories signing off, goodbye friend,