Speaker 1: Warren.
Speaker 2: Today's episode Candad's spoilers for gen V season two, including
Speaker 2: the excellent episode seven and the season finale. Hello, I
Speaker 2: am is Jason and I'm Merday Night and welcome back
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Speaker 2: to your favorite shows, movies, comics of pop culture. Coming
Speaker 2: you from my heart, We're we're bringing you three episodes
Speaker 2: a week.
Speaker 3: In today's episode, me and Jason are going to be
Speaker 3: digging into the final three episodes of gen V, including.
Speaker 1: A question over whether episode seven or eight should be
Speaker 1: the finale.
Speaker 3: Ooh, but first let's get to godalkin you. So basically,
Speaker 3: last time we left off, we were at El Mirah
Speaker 3: and that is where we begin, and of course the
Speaker 3: group are able to break out again. They saved Annabeth's
Speaker 3: life and that was very good because she is secretly
Speaker 3: pre cognitive. Now, Jason question, is she pre cognitive because
Speaker 3: Marie gave her her powers? Or was she always pre cognitive?
Speaker 3: I am interested in that question. We get to see
Speaker 3: Emma and she saves Polarity aka Sweet Sweet, chases father
Speaker 3: Andre's father. He is being puppeted by Cipher, which will
Speaker 3: become a big plotline over the next couple of episodes,
Speaker 3: Cipher is sending out his best after Marie, but she
Speaker 3: is very powerful. Marie is also searching for shocking terms
Speaker 3: here and I think a comeback I did not see,
Speaker 3: and I may make an argument was a more interesting
Speaker 3: finale than the Peacemaker finale had to offer. We get
Speaker 3: a return from none other than Stan Edgar, someone I
Speaker 3: was not expecting to see and to be because of
Speaker 3: the nature of the fact that of where we first
Speaker 3: met the incredible actor. Oh my gosh, why am I
Speaker 3: forgetting his name? Oh my god, he's gonna be Charles Xavier.
Speaker 3: Why is this happening to me? The Internet? I know
Speaker 3: you can help me.
Speaker 4: Gian Carlos Posita, thank you.
Speaker 1: Yes.
Speaker 3: Because of where we originally met, Jihan Carlo Esposito, I
Speaker 3: do feel like whenever I see him, because of Breaking Bad,
Speaker 3: I immediately think pressed these TV show, So I think
Speaker 3: they did a really good job here. Unexpected to see
Speaker 3: the man who was part of you know, vot coming
Speaker 3: in as a helper, and then we learn what we
Speaker 3: had Alady suspected, which is essentially that Project Odessa has
Speaker 3: only had two successes, and they are Marie and Homelander. Obviously, that,
Speaker 3: you know, they didn't know Marie had powers when she
Speaker 3: was young, so they thought that it was a failure.
Speaker 3: Then this is the big one, guys, that has been
Speaker 3: annoying me. We get some Sam Emma time. We're gonna
Speaker 3: get a lot of it. It's gonna be very frustrating.
Speaker 3: I love this relationship in the first season. I do
Speaker 3: not think they're delivering here. I think it's very annoying.
Speaker 3: I also think Sam is not doing a good job
Speaker 3: at any kind of reconsider.
Speaker 2: I agree it's like a well, I will say that.
Speaker 2: Here's what I liked about it. It's will they won't they?
Speaker 2: In the in in theory, but it's also I kind
Speaker 2: of liked the angle of Sam isn'to Emma and Emma's
Speaker 2: just kind of over it, but is searching for a
Speaker 2: way to like let him off easy.
Speaker 5: Although at times it felt like is.
Speaker 1: That what they're doing?
Speaker 2: Like there were that it was just too ambiguous where
Speaker 2: I'm like, does she like it?
Speaker 1: Because?
Speaker 3: And now I'm like, I think the first I think
Speaker 3: in the first season it was such an interesting relationship
Speaker 3: of two people who are outside, two people who had
Speaker 3: tried their best to survive. And I do think that
Speaker 3: It's interesting to see them kind of unsure as.
Speaker 4: Real teenagers are.
Speaker 3: But at the same time, I also feel like, and
Speaker 3: this is an issue that I do think runs through
Speaker 3: these last three episodes, I also feel like.
Speaker 1: The show is slightly unsure.
Speaker 3: What to do with Sam, which I think is a
Speaker 3: shame because I just thought he was such an interesting
Speaker 3: character in the first season. We will now start to
Speaker 3: get to the meat of the season, and I want
Speaker 3: to say, lots of listeners were right about this, so
Speaker 3: giving you a lot of cheers, guys.
Speaker 4: Basically, they are starting.
Speaker 3: To notice that there are a lot of Thomas Godolkin
Speaker 3: connections with old Cipher. Is Cipher using Thomas Goadlkin's old research?
Speaker 4: What could Cipher be doing?
Speaker 3: And then somebody remembers, oh, wait, do you remember there
Speaker 3: was like a burnt up guy in his apartment? And
Speaker 3: do you remember how the beginning of the season there
Speaker 3: was Ethan Slater aka missus Ariana Grande aka Bockwoodsman from Wicked.
Speaker 3: And guess what, guys, it it probably is him in there.
Speaker 3: It's actually him, and I guess at this point they
Speaker 3: think that Cipher's plan is to use Thomas Kadawkins's body
Speaker 3: somehow try and work out some kind of plan.
Speaker 1: They don't realize the truth.
Speaker 3: Cipher then reveals his ultimate plan, which classic to early monologuing,
Speaker 3: is basically like Boom, I'm gonna kill all the week superheroes.
Speaker 4: Yes, okay, bro, what the fuck.
Speaker 1: Like that's your plan?
Speaker 4: Seems dumb?
Speaker 1: Why you worked at school?
Speaker 3: And then we obviously get the polarity showdown where he
Speaker 3: gets to take off his mask of civility and teaching
Speaker 3: and ends up kind of sticking up for his.
Speaker 4: Son who Cipher was?
Speaker 1: You know who?
Speaker 3: Cipher basically killed even though it was you know the
Speaker 3: who did what was? He forced Andre into killing himself
Speaker 3: by using his powers too much, And Marie and Kate
Speaker 3: are back friends again, another real relationship. I do not
Speaker 3: understand if I'm Kate, if I'm friends with Kate, She's
Speaker 3: getting her head chopped off, like I'm sick of her
Speaker 3: at this point.
Speaker 2: She's I am I found there, she is a betrayer,
Speaker 2: She's a mixed up.
Speaker 4: Kid, no will, she'sistic.
Speaker 5: I found there.
Speaker 2: I've found much of their relationship to actually be annoying
Speaker 2: over the course of the season, but I actually like
Speaker 2: surprising to me.
Speaker 5: I found their reunion to be Actually it hit home.
Speaker 2: I like, I actually was like I'm feeling this like
Speaker 2: I it was, I felt the emotion of that.
Speaker 3: I think that's the thing that keeps me watching this
Speaker 3: show is that the characters and the actors they do
Speaker 3: elevate it.
Speaker 4: Like a lot of times you'll be like, what is
Speaker 4: going on?
Speaker 3: Very teenage of them to be constantly falling in and
Speaker 3: out of romances and friendships and blah blah blah. But
Speaker 3: I'm also just like, at some point, you're like, this
Speaker 3: girl every single time, she's gonna betray you.
Speaker 2: Guys, Listen, I don't now I'm gonna stick up for
Speaker 2: Kate even though I agree with you. She is a betrayer,
Speaker 2: and if that happened to me, I would never forgive.
Speaker 5: That's it.
Speaker 2: I think Kate has gone with a broken power set
Speaker 2: that makes her extremely vulnerable, has gone to laudable lengths
Speaker 2: to try and make up for it, and has put
Speaker 2: herself in danger even though like her plans are pretty
Speaker 2: fucked up and bad, and she got them all thrown
Speaker 2: in prison once again. But I put herself out there.
Speaker 1: And I respect it as well.
Speaker 3: I will say, Kate, even though it is fucked up,
Speaker 3: has always been coming from a place of trying to
Speaker 3: protect her friends. That's why she's always wiping people's memories
Speaker 3: and stuff. So yes, okay, I will recap episode seven Annabath.
Speaker 3: She wakes up, she's looking for her sister, and no surprise,
Speaker 3: she's had a kind of you know, minority report styles.
Speaker 4: Pilarity basically tells.
Speaker 1: Them like, hey, this is really going not great, like
Speaker 1: I can fight him, but sure. Kate is also like this.
Speaker 1: I found very interesting.
Speaker 3: What are Marie's powers when it comes to healing soups
Speaker 3: versus healing their powers. That's a big conversation that Kate
Speaker 3: and Marie try to have. I was also disappointed this
Speaker 3: episode because we do start to get the kind of
Speaker 3: like fractures between Jordan and Marie, and I'm a big
Speaker 3: Jordan and Marie lover. Then we learn that Annabeth actually
Speaker 3: did always have original powers.
Speaker 1: She was not given her powers by Marie.
Speaker 3: She too had superpowers hers with just not as nightmarish
Speaker 3: as a blood bending. Then we get to the point
Speaker 3: where we learn that Polarity has his own scheme. He's
Speaker 3: taken his plan, He's going he's taken Cipher and he's
Speaker 3: gonna find out what happened.
Speaker 4: But remember, just like good old, good old.
Speaker 3: Charlesick Savior in the movie A Logan, there is Polarity
Speaker 3: has a degenerative illness that means that every time he
Speaker 3: uses his powers, he is kind of fucking up his
Speaker 3: brain a bit more there was there's a big seizure here.
Speaker 1: It's definitely an als kind of illness. But and I
Speaker 1: have to say, I didn't see this coming.
Speaker 3: I'm interested to see other people's conversations about this now
Speaker 3: the episode is out.
Speaker 1: I need to dig into them more.
Speaker 4: After this episode, Marie just cures.
Speaker 1: Him, right, she just cures him.
Speaker 3: And I found this to be very interesting. Jason, give
Speaker 3: me your take, because that's a huge moment.
Speaker 5: My take is that.
Speaker 2: I think that genv has done a good job of
Speaker 2: keeping the evolution of everyone's powers, including Marie's and the
Speaker 2: and the kind of synergistic way the powers work when
Speaker 2: they're all together polarities powers for instance, secondary powers.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 5: With regards to.
Speaker 2: Cipher, I think they've done the show has done a
Speaker 2: good job of balancing it and not making it too
Speaker 2: disx machina at times, which sometimes it feels like that
Speaker 2: I was.
Speaker 5: I was surprised.
Speaker 2: I think I was surprised that at the ease with
Speaker 2: which she jumped directly to being able to do this,
Speaker 2: And I liked overall, I think it was it was pretty,
Speaker 2: it was cool, and you knew kind of where it
Speaker 2: was going once you saw that she could do this.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I thought it was really interesting. I like it
Speaker 3: because also, you know that is obviously in fiction, lots
Speaker 3: of kind of issues something I've written about, wrote about
Speaker 3: with like the magical disability Q. But this is in
Speaker 3: the this is in the scope and the space of
Speaker 3: he is dying, he has a degenerated right and this
Speaker 3: is also a black supero saving another black superhero whose
Speaker 3: son she couldn't save.
Speaker 4: I thought it was good.
Speaker 3: And like you said, I think the emotional moments in
Speaker 3: this final three episodes are really good.
Speaker 5: Really good.
Speaker 2: Without the emotional moments, I think this is almost like
Speaker 2: a beyond terrible show.
Speaker 5: But right to your point.
Speaker 3: No, I think that the best thing about it is
Speaker 3: the kids and the kids keeping caring. They really when
Speaker 3: you're describing it, you are like, okay, and then and then,
Speaker 3: but really.
Speaker 1: It's those big emotional moments.
Speaker 3: It's Jas Sinclair, it's the guy who plays Emma who
Speaker 3: I just think is so funny and brilliant. Yeah, she's
Speaker 3: so great. So as always, Cipher just really.
Speaker 1: Wants to get Marie to train. Why does he care
Speaker 1: so much?
Speaker 3: Clearly she is meant to be his big weapon in
Speaker 3: the killing weak Soups plan, But I'm also confused because
Speaker 3: I'm like, sir, you're at a school where they're just
Speaker 3: last year was like a virus that was able to
Speaker 3: kill every superhero. I feel like, couldn't you have just
Speaker 3: like done a version of that to kill.
Speaker 4: The weak kid?
Speaker 3: Like I'm not trying to say you should kill these kids,
Speaker 3: but I feel like specifically using the powers of one
Speaker 3: person who is not aligned with you is never gonna
Speaker 3: end well. But again, we get those emotional moments and
Speaker 3: it becomes about Marie having to choose her friends.
Speaker 4: And their survival over.
Speaker 3: Anything else, and that I think has been something season
Speaker 3: two has done pretty well to show kind of how
Speaker 3: complicit the kids have to be to survive. And then
Speaker 3: the reality is you get a big final fight. But
Speaker 3: the big reveal from from episode seven that I think
Speaker 3: is probably would have been good to leave for a
Speaker 3: finale reveal.
Speaker 2: And will I agree with you? And let's talk about
Speaker 2: that when we get into the discussion.
Speaker 5: Couse, I agree with you.
Speaker 3: We will say that what you learn at the end
Speaker 3: of this episode is done done that as many we
Speaker 3: were rights will be dinging in the discords. Thomas Goodolkin
Speaker 3: is in fact the one who has the puppeteering powers,
Speaker 3: and he is the one who has been puppeteering the
Speaker 3: Hamish link later version of Thomas Godolk of Cipher that
Speaker 3: we know, but the real cipher is done, done, done
Speaker 3: Ethan Slater.
Speaker 4: It is Marie heals him.
Speaker 3: Probably not a good idea, and then you realize, oh shit,
Speaker 3: it's Thomas who had the plan all along. It's box
Speaker 3: Woodman bock would box bock Woodman from Wicked box Wood
Speaker 3: that wicked guy. And yes, and he is gonna now
Speaker 3: be fully healed by Marie to to plan killing.
Speaker 1: All the soups.
Speaker 3: So good for him, good for that terrible man, and uh,
Speaker 3: good for honestly Amazon forgetting the old big big hero
Speaker 3: six kind of level stars out for this one with yeah,
Speaker 3: with Goadalkin and into the finale we work.
Speaker 2: In the finale, Uh, Tom Godalkin now up on his feet.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 2: Sends an email blast to the to the student body saying, hey, everybody.
Speaker 5: Guess what.
Speaker 2: I know that a lot of people have been frustrated
Speaker 2: at the kind of ladder, the hierarchy here at Godalkin,
Speaker 2: you where it felt like, you know, there's a select
Speaker 2: few amount of students who are able to rise to
Speaker 2: the top and get the you know, the access to
Speaker 2: the prime nil superhero deals and perhaps like a pathway
Speaker 2: to the seven.
Speaker 5: Well, guess what are opening up the doors. We're throwing
Speaker 5: it all.
Speaker 2: Open and everybody now is gonna get a chance to
Speaker 2: compete for those primes. It's not just gonna be a
Speaker 2: selection process. It's gonna be open enrollment. Come down to
Speaker 2: my office tomorrow and we're gonna hash it out.
Speaker 5: And guess what. It's a trap.
Speaker 2: Of course, our heroes, our heroes of course know it's
Speaker 2: a trap, and so they're as this is happening. They're
Speaker 2: trying to figure out, Okay, what how do we we
Speaker 2: know this is a trap And we know that Goodalkin
Speaker 2: slash Cipher is all about mutant supremacy. Right, He's gonna
Speaker 2: want to call the week in his own words, He's
Speaker 2: gonna want to call the week. And this has gotta
Speaker 2: be what this is about? How do we get in there,
Speaker 2: so they're planning to get in there. It's just as
Speaker 2: they thought. Goodalkin gathers the student body and just has
Speaker 2: everybody like killing each other willy nilly.
Speaker 3: Almosto makes sense because of what we saw with the
Speaker 3: training he was doing.
Speaker 4: I almost so like is this I feel like.
Speaker 3: And this is you know, definitely a boys you know
Speaker 3: that's problem, But like why is everyone so dramatic?
Speaker 1: Like why can't he just do like a normal version
Speaker 1: of killing off that, you know what I mean?
Speaker 3: Like, that's my favorite thing about this universe is everyone's
Speaker 3: still the most extreme version, Like you just got a
Speaker 3: bunch of kids killing each other.
Speaker 4: I feel like you.
Speaker 1: Could have come up with an easier way to do this,
Speaker 1: my guy.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And also like can't I understand some of the
Speaker 2: powers are not that cool, but like a fire power,
Speaker 2: for instance, to control fire, I think.
Speaker 5: Is pretty cool.
Speaker 2: But when I'm kidding, so, can't you find like another
Speaker 2: job for some of these people?
Speaker 5: Like they don't? It seems like such a waste anyway.
Speaker 3: It does also, Okay, I want to also let's let's
Speaker 3: check in because this was something that you know, we
Speaker 3: didn't get too into, but let's also talk about the
Speaker 3: Dolkins relationship with sister Sage and well.
Speaker 2: Listen, Okay, so this let's just like roll the justscussion
Speaker 2: into the recap as well. I will say some of
Speaker 2: episode eight, the finale, particularly the beginning when it's like
Speaker 2: and even the relationship when he was puppeting Cipher.
Speaker 5: Yes, felt like.
Speaker 2: It.
Speaker 5: It felt like kink shaving to me a little bit.
Speaker 2: Jason and I listen, like, there's you know, sexual uh
Speaker 2: proclivities on display here that I'm not personally into. That said,
Speaker 2: I found it a little bit like, hey, if you're
Speaker 2: into this kind of more SMM style sex, you're.
Speaker 4: Evil and wa was weird, right right?
Speaker 3: I feel like that's very against the general understanding of
Speaker 3: what BDSM has become posts ah, you know, fifty Shades
Speaker 3: of Gray, which was really unrepresentative but opened up a
Speaker 3: lot of normal people's minds to what it could be.
Speaker 3: I feel like that has been to talk about how
Speaker 3: consensual it is, to talk about how non evil it is,
Speaker 3: to talk about how all.
Speaker 1: Different kinds of people do it.
Speaker 3: And obviously we spoke about Pillion coming up like a
Speaker 3: dom com. So yeah, I do think I think that
Speaker 3: you and Ian were onto something with that.
Speaker 2: Catch it's not for me, Like, that's not what I know,
Speaker 2: It's not for me in my life. But I felt
Speaker 2: like they used this these kind of scenes as character
Speaker 2: builders in a way that seemed to suggest, like, hey,
Speaker 2: there was an implication of like the moral connection between
Speaker 2: the second yes and their behavior, And I do think
Speaker 2: that that is an outdated take and I felt like
Speaker 2: it went a little bit over the line into shaming
Speaker 2: essentially for me.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Also, what is the appeal.
Speaker 1: To sister stage of this relationship. That's my other thing.
Speaker 1: She's like the smartest person.
Speaker 3: She's incredibly strong and sexy and cool. And when we
Speaker 3: first saw her with are, when we first saw her
Speaker 3: with our you know, Hamish link later version, I was like, Okay,
Speaker 3: these two they are new up and comers there. But
Speaker 3: I don't know if I believe that Puppetier the Dolkin
Speaker 3: has the juice.
Speaker 2: Yes, so our heroes come up with a plan that
Speaker 2: includes climbing into the butt of butt boy.
Speaker 3: Could you be surprised his butt has been linked in
Speaker 3: every episode? Everyone to know why there were so many
Speaker 3: butt jokes and butt stuff in this season. It's been
Speaker 3: leading to this, which is obviously a riff on our
Speaker 3: big and man than asks can't he just go up
Speaker 3: the button explode him joke, which has been done many times.
Speaker 2: Kate now with her full powers thanks to Marie In
Speaker 2: what again, what was an emotional moment when Marie's like,
Speaker 2: I'm gonna heal you now manages to get one more
Speaker 2: student placed into the Hunger Games Battle Royale kill fest
Speaker 2: that Thomas Godalkin is overseeing. That is butt Boy. Butt
Speaker 2: Boy goes in and to go, what are you doing here?
Speaker 2: I'll show you what I'm doing here, and butt Boy
Speaker 2: expels all of our heroes out of the butt as
Speaker 2: Marie engages with Thomas Dawkin's uh, you know, mind controlled
Speaker 2: student body. Big fight happens. But then when it seems
Speaker 2: like they have won and they have the chance to
Speaker 2: murk Goodalkin right there, and it had me being like,
Speaker 2: why are you hesitating for now? It turns out Goodalkin
Speaker 2: has been applying his own philosophies to himself, using all
Speaker 2: this death and violence and killing to train himself so
Speaker 2: that he can now overpower Marie. He takes control of
Speaker 2: Marie and she's about to cause the blood of all
Speaker 2: her friends to burst out of their bodies. She's killing
Speaker 2: him with her mind. But then Polarity comes in, and
Speaker 2: of course Polarity has developed has realized that he has
Speaker 2: the ability to not just resist Godulkin slash Cipher, but
Speaker 2: to actually disrupt his powers. He does it, and then
Speaker 2: they take out Godulkin. They take him out, Happy Days.
Speaker 2: They go on the run, and who should contact them
Speaker 2: and find them none other than Starlighter, who says, you
Speaker 2: know what, this is the energy, you guys, This kind
Speaker 2: of shot in the arm of youthful resistance energy is
Speaker 2: exactly what we need to take on Homelander and Vought.
Speaker 4: Oh my god, Homeliner, we just kill him already.
Speaker 5: But yes, I kill it.
Speaker 4: And I think Marie is.
Speaker 1: Going to be the homeland to killer the weapon. I
Speaker 1: think it will work.
Speaker 4: But yeah, I agree with you.
Speaker 3: Like one, I feel like the funniest thing is cosmic
Speaker 3: Kumite episode could.
Speaker 1: Have gone before.
Speaker 4: You could have still found a way to have the.
Speaker 3: Giant, crazy spectacle of the kind of kids killing each
Speaker 3: other Kumte, but left I feel like the bigger question
Speaker 3: of oh, somebody wants to kill all week soups, that's
Speaker 3: an interesting thing to go into the next season with.
Speaker 3: But instead it was like you know Godalkinstan and I
Speaker 3: guess these are kind of our boys. Now this is
Speaker 3: the new generation of the boys.
Speaker 2: Let's take a quick break and talk about all of
Speaker 2: these issues, including whether the finale should have been the finale.
Speaker 5: Be back after this war and we're back, Okay.
Speaker 2: When I was watching episode seven, I had to actually
Speaker 2: check that there was another episode in the hopper because
Speaker 2: I was like, that felt.
Speaker 5: Like and an unbelievable finale.
Speaker 2: Now here's here's my reasoning, and I'm eager to know
Speaker 2: if you if you agree. First of all, we had
Speaker 2: spent so much time with Hamish Linkletter as Cipher, and
Speaker 2: he had done such wonderful job killed like mustache twisting
Speaker 2: and being such an evil, fucking bastard and shouts to
Speaker 2: our discord all the kind of Goodalkin is the mastermind stuff?
Speaker 2: Was it? When I was watching the screener is I
Speaker 2: didn't really pick up on it. So the moment when
Speaker 2: it was revealed that Ethan Slater Thomas Godalkin was the
Speaker 2: real mastermind, the true villain of it, I was like
Speaker 2: blown away and I kind of felt like, you spend
Speaker 2: this entire season with Cipher, and.
Speaker 5: At that point I wanted I wanted it to be.
Speaker 5: I wanted it to be the end.
Speaker 2: Because I want to figure out, okay, like, well, what
Speaker 2: are we doing next? It felt like such a strong
Speaker 2: hook and and cliffhanger that I was a little disappointed
Speaker 2: at the finale and the kind of it felt a
Speaker 2: little bit paint by numbers, big fight against the bad
Speaker 2: guy to me and I listen, I am the person
Speaker 2: that said we let Homelander live too long and then
Speaker 2: it stretched it out too much. But I think you
Speaker 2: could have turned I think so Thomas Goodalkin the Fight
Speaker 2: against Goodalkin into not a whole season, but maybe a
Speaker 2: couple episodes opening opisode.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree.
Speaker 3: I also get it, like Ethan Slayer is a big
Speaker 3: Hollywood and Broadway star, But also, guys, you got to
Speaker 3: do costing that fits with the tone of the show.
Speaker 3: And if somebody can only be around an episod or
Speaker 3: a couple of episodes that may not have the biggest
Speaker 3: kind of payoff, because I do, and I get it
Speaker 3: as well. They probably didn't want to go into season three,
Speaker 3: potential season three, because I will say that Eric Kripkey
Speaker 3: has come out and been like, hey, if you guys
Speaker 3: want GENV season three got to keep watching, got to
Speaker 3: get those numbers up, you know, which we know is
Speaker 3: the game of streaming. But at the same time, like
Speaker 3: I had, felt like this season had done a really
Speaker 3: good job of continuing the emotional arcs of characters we
Speaker 3: care about, Characters like Emma getting to make new friends
Speaker 3: and starting her kind of resistance group, getting to see
Speaker 3: Marie and Jordan obviously loved that. Getting to see even
Speaker 3: though like, personally, do I watch the show and be like, kay,
Speaker 3: I would kick you down a flight of stairs?
Speaker 4: Yes?
Speaker 3: Ah, is that an incredible, interesting, complicated character with really
Speaker 3: complicated powers.
Speaker 4: Yes it is. And I think that in that final.
Speaker 3: Episode, even though you know, we get the boys nurse
Speaker 3: of like the butt boy and they're all exploding out
Speaker 3: of his butt, I also feel like episode seven could
Speaker 3: have set us on a path where I've seen a
Speaker 3: lot of people, not just us, saying that they felt overall, generally.
Speaker 1: So far this has been a stronger season than the
Speaker 1: last season.
Speaker 3: But I agree, And I agree because I think the
Speaker 3: writing of the characters and the utilization of the college
Speaker 3: setting to try and have these conversations about what's going
Speaker 3: on in the world is really interesting and good.
Speaker 1: But I definitely did not.
Speaker 3: After episode seven, I was like, oh my god, I'm
Speaker 3: so glad there's another episode, Like I'm ready to go
Speaker 3: into season three?
Speaker 1: What does it look like? And I do feel like
Speaker 1: when I was watching the finale, it.
Speaker 3: Was a bit less of a hook and more of
Speaker 3: like a crazy bombastic situation a boss time. Which also, again,
Speaker 3: like I said, I love blood Sport, I love Kickboxer,
Speaker 3: I love a Kuma Ta style movie where everyone has to.
Speaker 1: Fight each other. But that is also something.
Speaker 3: They already did earlier in this season pretty well when
Speaker 3: they were doing the training episodes, and also as well,
Speaker 3: you know, I feel like nowadays you need to be
Speaker 3: making a point.
Speaker 1: If you are making a.
Speaker 3: Statement about, you know, the way that people kill kids,
Speaker 3: I feel like there needs to be a bit more
Speaker 3: of something interesting there, whether it's to do with, you know,
Speaker 3: an analogy about war or like Bower Rayal was, it
Speaker 3: was an analogy about the notion of a badly behaved
Speaker 3: teenager and how overpopulation was killing Japan.
Speaker 1: So I think Hunger Games.
Speaker 3: You know, we know that really it's just bou Raal,
Speaker 3: But allegedly she was watching TV and she saw the
Speaker 3: you know, the mix of like a reality TV show
Speaker 3: and reporting on the Iraq War, and that kind of
Speaker 3: merged together. I think this big boss fight at the
Speaker 3: end is more just so tonally within the world of
Speaker 3: the Boys and kind of what Cipher Slash good Olkin
Speaker 3: wants that I don't necessarily think it branches out in
Speaker 3: the interesting way that they have done. Ian made a
Speaker 3: great point in the chat, it's essentially like an epilogue.
Speaker 1: It doesn't really feel.
Speaker 2: I have a question for Okay, so yes, I think
Speaker 2: we're in agreement. It felt like episode seven could have
Speaker 2: been and maybe should have been the finale. I have
Speaker 2: another question for you, and this one stretches back to
Speaker 2: the boys. Even Sister Sage, is.
Speaker 5: She smart enough?
Speaker 4: That's what if she's meant to be the smartest person
Speaker 4: I was.
Speaker 3: I was expecting her to be the mastermind because I'm
Speaker 3: kind of like, isn't she the most intelligent person on a.
Speaker 2: You know, I think of the way I think of
Speaker 2: Sister Sage, or at least my ideal version of her
Speaker 2: power set. And maybe this is just my personal thing,
Speaker 2: but when I hear smartest person on Earth, you know,
Speaker 2: it sees all the angles I want that I want
Speaker 2: that Batman debate where it's like, well, yes, yes, of
Speaker 2: course Batman would be Superman because he's thought if Superman
Speaker 2: suddenly attacked him, he's he's God, that's cool in his
Speaker 2: a patch of kryptonite like in his suit, and he's
Speaker 2: thought of all the ways that he could take him down.
Speaker 2: And you never feel that with Sage's She's get surprised
Speaker 2: in this scene, like she's she's shocked when Godalkin turns
Speaker 2: on her and doesn't want to go with her plan.
Speaker 2: And yes, she does adapt well, but she adapts in
Speaker 2: a way that feels more like a roll of a dice.
Speaker 3: Right than actually like her scheme. Because also, yeah, she's
Speaker 3: gonna be the CEO of Bought, but what does that
Speaker 3: really mean? Like that changes every single day. Ashley's getting
Speaker 3: kicked out, Everyone's getting kicked out. And I really enjoy
Speaker 3: her as a character and as a conceptual potential, like
Speaker 3: you know, is she meant to be the new Homelander
Speaker 3: or is she meant to be the new.
Speaker 1: Kind of leader?
Speaker 3: But I don't believe you're getting trapped by hyperbaric chamber
Speaker 3: Godulkin if your sister's age, that's unbelievable to me.
Speaker 1: I don't I don't think it would happen.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So I just wish there was more uh writing
Speaker 2: around her plans. So you really felt like, well, she
Speaker 2: has a backup to the backup to the backup, and
Speaker 2: a counterplan to I just assumed.
Speaker 3: And I think you're right that that doesn't fit with it,
Speaker 3: and it can easily be wreckconed in a future episode
Speaker 3: or she was active or whatever.
Speaker 4: But I think you make a good point. And let's
Speaker 4: go back to.
Speaker 3: Our very first ever conversation about this show, where you
Speaker 3: called out something that I thought was a really good
Speaker 3: point and you and Joel talked about it a lot.
Speaker 1: Which is like.
Speaker 3: This notion of like how they treat soups, how they
Speaker 3: treat people of color, the way that this show is
Speaker 3: written around kind.
Speaker 4: Of such real feeling events, but still has this absurdity
Speaker 4: to it.
Speaker 3: I do think the lack of writing around since the
Speaker 3: stage in this moment immediately made me think of that combo.
Speaker 3: So how are you feeling post finale about the show
Speaker 3: and kind of the way that it approach this stuff,
Speaker 3: Like did it just give us another space where it
Speaker 3: can be like, oh, these powerful, rich white people are oppressed,
Speaker 3: or did it like have something more interesting to say.
Speaker 5: I think it.
Speaker 2: I think it's gesturing at something more interesting just by
Speaker 2: the weight of the characters who we've focused on over
Speaker 2: the season, the Right and the rise of Polarity to
Speaker 2: being a really important part of the story and even
Speaker 2: sister Stage. But again, I could keep coming back to
Speaker 2: this frustration I have with Sage and now I'm going
Speaker 2: to put on my like, now I'm going to get
Speaker 2: completely conspiratorial. Is there something like overly like, why are
Speaker 2: we scared of like a really scheming, super super of
Speaker 2: showing like a super smart person of color, be smart,
Speaker 2: be smart in a way that's maybe manipulative, that's maybe
Speaker 2: not evil, but is so far ahead of everybody else
Speaker 2: that it's like WHOA.
Speaker 1: I think that.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 2: There are times there are times watching Stage and not
Speaker 2: just in the you know, in this season, but in
Speaker 2: thea where I'm like, she just seems like a regular
Speaker 2: kind of smart.
Speaker 3: Also, she has like a photographic memory and stuff cininically,
Speaker 3: so she could have just I'm hoping that she has
Speaker 3: been secretly just remembering everything she's seen, kind of like
Speaker 3: a you know, Lex Luthor's girlfriend in Superman, but ditzy,
Speaker 3: Like I feel like maybe she's playing.
Speaker 4: It down a bit.
Speaker 3: I also do generally think that you're onto something very
Speaker 3: smart there, because if you think about it, the idea
Speaker 3: of like a truly brilliantly intelligent black woman is just
Speaker 3: an honest truth of like every day. But in the
Speaker 3: Marvel universe, when they wanted to make a black character
Speaker 3: the most intelligent character in the world, they had to
Speaker 3: choose a young black kid in Lunella, you know, because
Speaker 3: I think they were afraid, like you say, of like, well,
Speaker 3: if we say an adult black women is smarter than
Speaker 3: Tony Stark.
Speaker 1: How are people going to react? It's like, oh my.
Speaker 3: God, guys, is that it's a shame that even has
Speaker 3: to be a conversation.
Speaker 1: But I'm gonna have to.
Speaker 3: See the Sister Sage kind of situation, Like I'm gonna
Speaker 3: have to see that evolve, because I think that they
Speaker 3: did tap into some really interesting, crazy things, like when
Speaker 3: she was lobotomizing herself and stuff so that she could
Speaker 3: like keep going. It was just like, there's so much interesting,
Speaker 3: fucked up shit they could do, and I feel like
Speaker 3: it was not delivered on in the way I expected
Speaker 3: after what they kind of set up with her in Cipher,
Speaker 3: But I'm hoping now, Thomas Cadoalkin, is you know dealt
Speaker 3: with we are gonna now see that actually in the Boys'
Speaker 3: season five, the final season of the Boys, I need that, Yes,
Speaker 3: we need to see what Sage's plan is. And also,
Speaker 3: like everyone in The Boys sucks, so I'm gonna be
Speaker 3: rooting for sister Sage, like if we end with her
Speaker 3: being in charge and Maria's killed and stuff.
Speaker 1: I'm cool. That sounds interesting, And uh yeah, I do think.
Speaker 3: I think gen VI both struggles and thrives off the
Speaker 3: fact that it is not based on the comics. I
Speaker 3: think that while we know that they have changed the
Speaker 3: comics a lot from The Boys, and I was talking
Speaker 3: about this on a scale pat recently. Thankfully, GENV is
Speaker 3: its own thing, and I think the.
Speaker 1: Peaks of it.
Speaker 3: It becomes a transcendently good version of extreme superherior programming,
Speaker 3: and it's weakness it sometimes falls back into like your
Speaker 3: cwsque expectations of And it's interesting too because the finale,
Speaker 3: i mean episode seven, in episode eight, they actually go
Speaker 3: against a lot of the rules that we have come
Speaker 3: to understand of programming. The final two episodes of TV
Speaker 3: A lot of times the big action episode is the
Speaker 3: penultimate episode, and then you have your emotional episode. So yeah, interesting,
Speaker 3: not necessarily like a perfect season of TV, but what
Speaker 3: is other than and or season two, you know, which
Speaker 3: we have found this year to be a that was
Speaker 3: crazy for that to come out at the beginning of
Speaker 3: the year. It really makes you think about TV. But
Speaker 3: I love these characters. I love Ja Sinclair. I think
Speaker 3: she should be getting all the shine for this. I
Speaker 3: would love to see her in another leading role. And yeah,
Speaker 3: it was It was a fun show to cover, and
Speaker 3: I'm glad that the Discord was into it too, because
Speaker 3: I love this show even when I can see its flaws.
Speaker 3: But the Discord has been really having some great convos.
Speaker 3: So if you are a GENV or Boys fan or
Speaker 3: have any thoughts about this season, definitely check out the
Speaker 3: Discord because we were there's been a lot of conbo.
Speaker 3: There was actually quite a lot of shock that there
Speaker 3: was not a dedicated Gen B thread when the show started,
Speaker 3: because everyone was.
Speaker 1: Like, come on, we need to talk about how this
Speaker 1: connects to the Boys, and now we know.
Speaker 2: One more thing that I wanted to mention the scene
Speaker 2: where you know good Alkin now in his healed up
Speaker 2: body out of the hyperbaric chamber. He and sister Sage
Speaker 2: have this huge feast, red wine, lobster, the whole thing.
Speaker 5: It made me think of my mom. My mom recently
Speaker 5: got a diet and gout.
Speaker 1: Oh no, your mom never got gout, Jason.
Speaker 2: She got a diagnosis of gout. And I was like, well,
Speaker 2: here's you know, mom, here's the good news about gout.
Speaker 2: You know, I said, when she called me way later
Speaker 2: than she she should have called me. She should have
Speaker 2: called me when she got the diagnosis. And when she
Speaker 2: went to the emergency room because she had pack, she
Speaker 2: waited for like a week and then she's like, it's gout.
Speaker 2: And I was like, well, here's the good news, Like,
Speaker 2: you can you can with your diet, you can get
Speaker 2: that under control.
Speaker 5: What have you been eating? Yeah, here's what my mom
Speaker 5: told me she had been eating.
Speaker 2: My mom joined this Facebook group of older ladies, and
Speaker 2: these older ladies are like the fucking uh you know
Speaker 2: kids from like the Outsiders or something like. They are
Speaker 2: sixty seventy plus ladies who are likeled in the streets.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they ting going out to eat, like doing weird meat.
Speaker 2: Yep, they're out to eat four or five nights a week,
Speaker 2: and I was like, mom, what are you eatings? This
Speaker 2: is what she told me, I meaning, she's eating lobster
Speaker 2: and she's eating a lobster again. She's eating lobster two
Speaker 2: times a week for the last eight months. And then
Speaker 2: es I get it, And then she told me, well,
Speaker 2: also she told me this like a week later. Oh yeah, well,
Speaker 2: I was also, there's this place that does lobsters. So
Speaker 2: she's eating lobster three times.
Speaker 1: A weet.
Speaker 3: Lobster poisoning or something lobster lobster and lobster roll and then.
Speaker 2: Also truffles, caviar and tins of sardines.
Speaker 1: She's trying to get gout.
Speaker 3: She's like, what's the richest, oiliest food I can eat?
Speaker 2: And watching that scene of Thomas Godalkin with red wine
Speaker 2: dripping down his chest as he's like eating incredible, clicking
Speaker 2: his fingers of caviar and like lobster grease, I can
Speaker 2: only think of my mother and think that it's a
Speaker 2: good thing that Goodalkin's out of it now because he would.
Speaker 5: Have had to deal with this.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and sister Stage, be careful, do some exercise, kai
Speaker 3: back not three loups does the night and I gotta
Speaker 3: tell you, guys, I do love Jason's mom.
Speaker 1: She's a stylish queen of energy and incredible nature. So
Speaker 1: she's probably not gonna stop eating lipster every night.
Speaker 3: But you know what, hopefully she doesn't get gout again,
Speaker 3: because I've had.
Speaker 5: She had that.
Speaker 2: Do you remember at my at my wedding party, she
Speaker 2: had that walking boot that she been yes, yes, and
Speaker 2: she thought it was a tendon problem from trying on
Speaker 2: pumps her like high he'll shoes it too, And no,
Speaker 2: it turns out that was the pre symptoms of her
Speaker 2: gout because she.
Speaker 3: Was eating some rich dinner that night at the at
Speaker 3: the wedding part.
Speaker 5: So so be careful, everybody.
Speaker 1: Watch you die.
Speaker 4: Guys speak all I have to say to you.
Speaker 2: On the next episode of xtra Vision, it's finally time
Speaker 2: we're pitching what we want to see in an X
Speaker 2: Men movie.
Speaker 3: Oh I'm so excited we've been probably can't wait.
Speaker 5: And speaking of that, just you know, quick rejoice.
Speaker 4: I was gonna say, let's do it, let's do it.
Speaker 2: Just a quick thing. Cipher in this season and goodalkin
Speaker 2: shows you how op Charles Xavier is. And we're going
Speaker 2: to talk about that when we pitch our day movie.
Speaker 2: That's it for this episode. Thanks for listening. X ray
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