WEBVTT - Gen V Season 2 Finale 0:00:00.520 --> 0:00:00.880 Warren. 0:00:01.200 --> 0:00:05.760 Today's episode Candad's spoilers for gen V season two, including 0:00:06.120 --> 0:00:25.200 the excellent episode seven and the season finale. Hello, I 0:00:25.280 --> 0:00:29.360 am is Jason and I'm Merday Night and welcome back 0:00:29.360 --> 0:00:31.120 to x Revideon of the podcast where we dive deep 0:00:31.840 --> 0:00:34.160 to your favorite shows, movies, comics of pop culture. Coming 0:00:34.159 --> 0:00:36.199 you from my heart, We're we're bringing you three episodes 0:00:36.200 --> 0:00:36.440 a week. 0:00:37.640 --> 0:00:39.879 In today's episode, me and Jason are going to be 0:00:39.920 --> 0:00:44.080 digging into the final three episodes of gen V, including. 0:00:44.120 --> 0:00:47.159 A question over whether episode seven or eight should be 0:00:47.360 --> 0:00:48.040 the finale. 0:00:48.120 --> 0:00:55.200 Ooh, but first let's get to godalkin you. So basically, 0:00:55.440 --> 0:00:57.760 last time we left off, we were at El Mirah 0:00:58.320 --> 0:01:01.920 and that is where we begin, and of course the 0:01:01.960 --> 0:01:05.640 group are able to break out again. They saved Annabeth's 0:01:05.640 --> 0:01:07.839 life and that was very good because she is secretly 0:01:07.880 --> 0:01:14.240 pre cognitive. Now, Jason question, is she pre cognitive because 0:01:14.360 --> 0:01:17.759 Marie gave her her powers? Or was she always pre cognitive? 0:01:17.880 --> 0:01:21.840 I am interested in that question. We get to see 0:01:22.560 --> 0:01:29.240 Emma and she saves Polarity aka Sweet Sweet, chases father 0:01:29.560 --> 0:01:33.200 Andre's father. He is being puppeted by Cipher, which will 0:01:33.200 --> 0:01:36.240 become a big plotline over the next couple of episodes, 0:01:36.680 --> 0:01:41.120 Cipher is sending out his best after Marie, but she 0:01:41.319 --> 0:01:45.480 is very powerful. Marie is also searching for shocking terms 0:01:45.520 --> 0:01:48.720 here and I think a comeback I did not see, 0:01:48.760 --> 0:01:52.520 and I may make an argument was a more interesting 0:01:52.960 --> 0:01:57.400 finale than the Peacemaker finale had to offer. We get 0:01:57.440 --> 0:02:02.120 a return from none other than Stan Edgar, someone I 0:02:02.280 --> 0:02:05.920 was not expecting to see and to be because of 0:02:06.080 --> 0:02:10.760 the nature of the fact that of where we first 0:02:10.919 --> 0:02:14.920 met the incredible actor. Oh my gosh, why am I 0:02:14.919 --> 0:02:20.800 forgetting his name? Oh my god, he's gonna be Charles Xavier. 0:02:20.840 --> 0:02:22.840 Why is this happening to me? The Internet? I know 0:02:22.919 --> 0:02:23.520 you can help me. 0:02:24.520 --> 0:02:26.359 Gian Carlos Posita, thank you. 0:02:26.600 --> 0:02:26.880 Yes. 0:02:27.000 --> 0:02:30.560 Because of where we originally met, Jihan Carlo Esposito, I 0:02:30.680 --> 0:02:34.040 do feel like whenever I see him, because of Breaking Bad, 0:02:34.360 --> 0:02:36.760 I immediately think pressed these TV show, So I think 0:02:36.760 --> 0:02:40.080 they did a really good job here. Unexpected to see 0:02:40.120 --> 0:02:42.919 the man who was part of you know, vot coming 0:02:42.919 --> 0:02:46.480 in as a helper, and then we learn what we 0:02:46.520 --> 0:02:50.280 had Alady suspected, which is essentially that Project Odessa has 0:02:50.320 --> 0:02:57.640 only had two successes, and they are Marie and Homelander. Obviously, that, 0:02:59.040 --> 0:03:01.240 you know, they didn't know Marie had powers when she 0:03:01.360 --> 0:03:03.960 was young, so they thought that it was a failure. 0:03:04.400 --> 0:03:06.800 Then this is the big one, guys, that has been 0:03:06.840 --> 0:03:09.440 annoying me. We get some Sam Emma time. We're gonna 0:03:09.480 --> 0:03:11.359 get a lot of it. It's gonna be very frustrating. 0:03:11.440 --> 0:03:13.639 I love this relationship in the first season. I do 0:03:13.639 --> 0:03:16.760 not think they're delivering here. I think it's very annoying. 0:03:16.800 --> 0:03:19.400 I also think Sam is not doing a good job 0:03:19.520 --> 0:03:20.960 at any kind of reconsider. 0:03:21.000 --> 0:03:23.160 I agree it's like a well, I will say that. 0:03:23.560 --> 0:03:27.239 Here's what I liked about it. It's will they won't they? 0:03:28.800 --> 0:03:33.799 In the in in theory, but it's also I kind 0:03:33.840 --> 0:03:38.400 of liked the angle of Sam isn'to Emma and Emma's 0:03:38.480 --> 0:03:41.520 just kind of over it, but is searching for a 0:03:41.600 --> 0:03:43.440 way to like let him off easy. 0:03:43.880 --> 0:03:46.760 Although at times it felt like is. 0:03:46.680 --> 0:03:47.440 That what they're doing? 0:03:47.480 --> 0:03:50.119 Like there were that it was just too ambiguous where 0:03:50.160 --> 0:03:51.440 I'm like, does she like it? 0:03:51.480 --> 0:03:51.720 Because? 0:03:51.800 --> 0:03:54.200 And now I'm like, I think the first I think 0:03:54.240 --> 0:03:57.600 in the first season it was such an interesting relationship 0:03:57.600 --> 0:03:59.800 of two people who are outside, two people who had 0:03:59.800 --> 0:04:02.640 tried their best to survive. And I do think that 0:04:02.720 --> 0:04:07.600 It's interesting to see them kind of unsure as. 0:04:07.440 --> 0:04:08.320 Real teenagers are. 0:04:08.360 --> 0:04:10.000 But at the same time, I also feel like, and 0:04:10.040 --> 0:04:11.839 this is an issue that I do think runs through 0:04:11.840 --> 0:04:13.880 these last three episodes, I also feel like. 0:04:13.840 --> 0:04:15.880 The show is slightly unsure. 0:04:17.240 --> 0:04:19.080 What to do with Sam, which I think is a 0:04:19.080 --> 0:04:21.160 shame because I just thought he was such an interesting 0:04:21.240 --> 0:04:25.039 character in the first season. We will now start to 0:04:25.080 --> 0:04:27.039 get to the meat of the season, and I want 0:04:27.080 --> 0:04:29.359 to say, lots of listeners were right about this, so 0:04:29.480 --> 0:04:31.360 giving you a lot of cheers, guys. 0:04:31.640 --> 0:04:34.000 Basically, they are starting. 0:04:33.640 --> 0:04:36.040 To notice that there are a lot of Thomas Godolkin 0:04:36.279 --> 0:04:43.039 connections with old Cipher. Is Cipher using Thomas Goadlkin's old research? 0:04:43.279 --> 0:04:44.840 What could Cipher be doing? 0:04:45.320 --> 0:04:48.880 And then somebody remembers, oh, wait, do you remember there 0:04:48.920 --> 0:04:51.760 was like a burnt up guy in his apartment? And 0:04:51.800 --> 0:04:54.960 do you remember how the beginning of the season there 0:04:55.120 --> 0:05:00.640 was Ethan Slater aka missus Ariana Grande aka Bockwoodsman from Wicked. 0:05:01.200 --> 0:05:05.000 And guess what, guys, it it probably is him in there. 0:05:07.080 --> 0:05:09.920 It's actually him, and I guess at this point they 0:05:09.960 --> 0:05:14.120 think that Cipher's plan is to use Thomas Kadawkins's body 0:05:14.200 --> 0:05:16.600 somehow try and work out some kind of plan. 0:05:16.640 --> 0:05:17.799 They don't realize the truth. 0:05:18.240 --> 0:05:23.080 Cipher then reveals his ultimate plan, which classic to early monologuing, 0:05:23.279 --> 0:05:26.720 is basically like Boom, I'm gonna kill all the week superheroes. 0:05:27.040 --> 0:05:28.760 Yes, okay, bro, what the fuck. 0:05:28.760 --> 0:05:29.680 Like that's your plan? 0:05:29.760 --> 0:05:30.279 Seems dumb? 0:05:30.360 --> 0:05:31.360 Why you worked at school? 0:05:32.920 --> 0:05:37.839 And then we obviously get the polarity showdown where he 0:05:37.880 --> 0:05:42.120 gets to take off his mask of civility and teaching 0:05:42.240 --> 0:05:44.240 and ends up kind of sticking up for his. 0:05:45.640 --> 0:05:47.320 Son who Cipher was? 0:05:47.920 --> 0:05:48.320 You know who? 0:05:48.440 --> 0:05:52.039 Cipher basically killed even though it was you know the 0:05:52.160 --> 0:05:55.479 who did what was? He forced Andre into killing himself 0:05:55.680 --> 0:05:58.240 by using his powers too much, And Marie and Kate 0:05:58.279 --> 0:06:00.920 are back friends again, another real relationship. I do not 0:06:01.080 --> 0:06:03.720 understand if I'm Kate, if I'm friends with Kate, She's 0:06:03.720 --> 0:06:05.479 getting her head chopped off, like I'm sick of her 0:06:05.560 --> 0:06:06.000 at this point. 0:06:06.240 --> 0:06:12.560 She's I am I found there, she is a betrayer, 0:06:13.000 --> 0:06:13.840 She's a mixed up. 0:06:13.839 --> 0:06:17.960 Kid, no will, she'sistic. 0:06:17.120 --> 0:06:17.920 I found there. 0:06:19.360 --> 0:06:22.520 I've found much of their relationship to actually be annoying 0:06:22.560 --> 0:06:25.279 over the course of the season, but I actually like 0:06:25.720 --> 0:06:26.719 surprising to me. 0:06:27.680 --> 0:06:33.360 I found their reunion to be Actually it hit home. 0:06:33.520 --> 0:06:37.920 I like, I actually was like I'm feeling this like 0:06:38.080 --> 0:06:40.200 I it was, I felt the emotion of that. 0:06:40.279 --> 0:06:42.680 I think that's the thing that keeps me watching this 0:06:42.800 --> 0:06:46.800 show is that the characters and the actors they do 0:06:46.920 --> 0:06:47.719 elevate it. 0:06:47.839 --> 0:06:49.680 Like a lot of times you'll be like, what is 0:06:49.720 --> 0:06:50.160 going on? 0:06:50.720 --> 0:06:53.320 Very teenage of them to be constantly falling in and 0:06:53.400 --> 0:06:56.839 out of romances and friendships and blah blah blah. But 0:06:57.880 --> 0:07:00.200 I'm also just like, at some point, you're like, this 0:07:00.360 --> 0:07:03.240 girl every single time, she's gonna betray you. 0:07:03.279 --> 0:07:07.880 Guys, Listen, I don't now I'm gonna stick up for 0:07:07.960 --> 0:07:10.080 Kate even though I agree with you. She is a betrayer, 0:07:10.160 --> 0:07:12.720 and if that happened to me, I would never forgive. 0:07:13.000 --> 0:07:13.400 That's it. 0:07:13.960 --> 0:07:17.440 I think Kate has gone with a broken power set 0:07:17.560 --> 0:07:24.640 that makes her extremely vulnerable, has gone to laudable lengths 0:07:24.680 --> 0:07:26.800 to try and make up for it, and has put 0:07:26.800 --> 0:07:30.240 herself in danger even though like her plans are pretty 0:07:30.240 --> 0:07:33.119 fucked up and bad, and she got them all thrown 0:07:33.160 --> 0:07:38.520 in prison once again. But I put herself out there. 0:07:38.320 --> 0:07:40.160 And I respect it as well. 0:07:40.200 --> 0:07:43.880 I will say, Kate, even though it is fucked up, 0:07:43.920 --> 0:07:46.080 has always been coming from a place of trying to 0:07:46.120 --> 0:07:49.160 protect her friends. That's why she's always wiping people's memories 0:07:49.200 --> 0:07:54.160 and stuff. So yes, okay, I will recap episode seven Annabath. 0:07:54.520 --> 0:07:58.400 She wakes up, she's looking for her sister, and no surprise, 0:07:58.440 --> 0:08:02.160 she's had a kind of you know, minority report styles. 0:08:02.880 --> 0:08:05.120 Pilarity basically tells. 0:08:04.840 --> 0:08:10.400 Them like, hey, this is really going not great, like 0:08:10.600 --> 0:08:13.880 I can fight him, but sure. Kate is also like this. 0:08:14.000 --> 0:08:15.160 I found very interesting. 0:08:15.800 --> 0:08:19.720 What are Marie's powers when it comes to healing soups 0:08:19.840 --> 0:08:25.800 versus healing their powers. That's a big conversation that Kate 0:08:25.920 --> 0:08:30.280 and Marie try to have. I was also disappointed this 0:08:30.560 --> 0:08:32.640 episode because we do start to get the kind of 0:08:32.679 --> 0:08:36.040 like fractures between Jordan and Marie, and I'm a big 0:08:36.200 --> 0:08:39.840 Jordan and Marie lover. Then we learn that Annabeth actually 0:08:39.880 --> 0:08:41.600 did always have original powers. 0:08:41.920 --> 0:08:44.520 She was not given her powers by Marie. 0:08:44.600 --> 0:08:48.400 She too had superpowers hers with just not as nightmarish 0:08:48.600 --> 0:08:54.079 as a blood bending. Then we get to the point 0:08:54.440 --> 0:08:58.360 where we learn that Polarity has his own scheme. He's 0:08:58.600 --> 0:09:02.120 taken his plan, He's going he's taken Cipher and he's 0:09:02.120 --> 0:09:03.320 gonna find out what happened. 0:09:03.640 --> 0:09:08.160 But remember, just like good old, good old. 0:09:08.080 --> 0:09:13.800 Charlesick Savior in the movie A Logan, there is Polarity 0:09:13.880 --> 0:09:17.480 has a degenerative illness that means that every time he 0:09:17.600 --> 0:09:19.760 uses his powers, he is kind of fucking up his 0:09:19.800 --> 0:09:22.560 brain a bit more there was there's a big seizure here. 0:09:22.600 --> 0:09:26.440 It's definitely an als kind of illness. But and I 0:09:26.480 --> 0:09:27.760 have to say, I didn't see this coming. 0:09:27.800 --> 0:09:30.600 I'm interested to see other people's conversations about this now 0:09:30.600 --> 0:09:31.480 the episode is out. 0:09:31.520 --> 0:09:33.080 I need to dig into them more. 0:09:33.120 --> 0:09:36.360 After this episode, Marie just cures. 0:09:36.120 --> 0:09:40.320 Him, right, she just cures him. 0:09:40.320 --> 0:09:42.439 And I found this to be very interesting. Jason, give 0:09:42.480 --> 0:09:44.200 me your take, because that's a huge moment. 0:09:45.400 --> 0:09:46.839 My take is that. 0:09:48.320 --> 0:09:52.000 I think that genv has done a good job of 0:09:52.120 --> 0:09:57.120 keeping the evolution of everyone's powers, including Marie's and the 0:09:57.160 --> 0:10:01.520 and the kind of synergistic way the powers work when 0:10:01.520 --> 0:10:05.400 they're all together polarities powers for instance, secondary powers. 0:10:05.480 --> 0:10:05.720 Yeah. 0:10:05.760 --> 0:10:06.640 With regards to. 0:10:06.640 --> 0:10:09.560 Cipher, I think they've done the show has done a 0:10:09.600 --> 0:10:12.360 good job of balancing it and not making it too 0:10:13.000 --> 0:10:16.080 disx machina at times, which sometimes it feels like that 0:10:17.360 --> 0:10:17.760 I was. 0:10:20.040 --> 0:10:20.920 I was surprised. 0:10:20.960 --> 0:10:23.800 I think I was surprised that at the ease with 0:10:23.920 --> 0:10:28.640 which she jumped directly to being able to do this, 0:10:31.679 --> 0:10:35.000 And I liked overall, I think it was it was pretty, 0:10:35.080 --> 0:10:37.320 it was cool, and you knew kind of where it 0:10:37.400 --> 0:10:41.600 was going once you saw that she could do this. 0:10:41.880 --> 0:10:44.280 Yeah, I thought it was really interesting. I like it 0:10:44.360 --> 0:10:48.880 because also, you know that is obviously in fiction, lots 0:10:48.880 --> 0:10:51.360 of kind of issues something I've written about, wrote about 0:10:51.360 --> 0:10:53.800 with like the magical disability Q. But this is in 0:10:54.120 --> 0:10:56.880 the this is in the scope and the space of 0:10:57.280 --> 0:11:00.480 he is dying, he has a degenerated right and this 0:11:00.640 --> 0:11:03.959 is also a black supero saving another black superhero whose 0:11:04.000 --> 0:11:05.120 son she couldn't save. 0:11:05.240 --> 0:11:06.040 I thought it was good. 0:11:06.080 --> 0:11:08.440 And like you said, I think the emotional moments in 0:11:08.520 --> 0:11:11.559 this final three episodes are really good. 0:11:12.240 --> 0:11:12.800 Really good. 0:11:12.920 --> 0:11:15.760 Without the emotional moments, I think this is almost like 0:11:15.840 --> 0:11:18.120 a beyond terrible show. 0:11:18.240 --> 0:11:20.000 But right to your point. 0:11:19.840 --> 0:11:22.000 No, I think that the best thing about it is 0:11:22.040 --> 0:11:25.840 the kids and the kids keeping caring. They really when 0:11:25.880 --> 0:11:28.640 you're describing it, you are like, okay, and then and then, 0:11:28.800 --> 0:11:29.480 but really. 0:11:29.320 --> 0:11:30.679 It's those big emotional moments. 0:11:30.720 --> 0:11:34.000 It's Jas Sinclair, it's the guy who plays Emma who 0:11:34.040 --> 0:11:37.360 I just think is so funny and brilliant. Yeah, she's 0:11:37.400 --> 0:11:42.800 so great. So as always, Cipher just really. 0:11:42.559 --> 0:11:45.640 Wants to get Marie to train. Why does he care 0:11:45.679 --> 0:11:46.040 so much? 0:11:46.160 --> 0:11:48.679 Clearly she is meant to be his big weapon in 0:11:48.720 --> 0:11:52.200 the killing weak Soups plan, But I'm also confused because 0:11:52.200 --> 0:11:56.320 I'm like, sir, you're at a school where they're just 0:11:56.440 --> 0:11:59.480 last year was like a virus that was able to 0:11:59.559 --> 0:12:01.840 kill every superhero. I feel like, couldn't you have just 0:12:01.880 --> 0:12:03.800 like done a version of that to kill. 0:12:03.679 --> 0:12:04.440 The weak kid? 0:12:04.640 --> 0:12:06.800 Like I'm not trying to say you should kill these kids, 0:12:07.240 --> 0:12:11.040 but I feel like specifically using the powers of one 0:12:11.200 --> 0:12:14.400 person who is not aligned with you is never gonna 0:12:15.240 --> 0:12:18.720 end well. But again, we get those emotional moments and 0:12:18.760 --> 0:12:21.800 it becomes about Marie having to choose her friends. 0:12:21.400 --> 0:12:23.480 And their survival over. 0:12:24.720 --> 0:12:27.080 Anything else, and that I think has been something season 0:12:27.080 --> 0:12:29.680 two has done pretty well to show kind of how 0:12:29.720 --> 0:12:33.680 complicit the kids have to be to survive. And then 0:12:34.280 --> 0:12:37.520 the reality is you get a big final fight. But 0:12:38.600 --> 0:12:42.240 the big reveal from from episode seven that I think 0:12:42.400 --> 0:12:47.000 is probably would have been good to leave for a 0:12:47.080 --> 0:12:48.800 finale reveal. 0:12:48.600 --> 0:12:50.720 And will I agree with you? And let's talk about 0:12:50.720 --> 0:12:52.160 that when we get into the discussion. 0:12:52.280 --> 0:12:53.320 Couse, I agree with you. 0:12:53.440 --> 0:12:57.160 We will say that what you learn at the end 0:12:57.200 --> 0:13:02.680 of this episode is done done that as many we 0:13:02.679 --> 0:13:06.800 were rights will be dinging in the discords. Thomas Goodolkin 0:13:07.360 --> 0:13:10.240 is in fact the one who has the puppeteering powers, 0:13:10.280 --> 0:13:12.520 and he is the one who has been puppeteering the 0:13:12.600 --> 0:13:18.520 Hamish link later version of Thomas Godolk of Cipher that 0:13:18.559 --> 0:13:22.680 we know, but the real cipher is done, done, done 0:13:22.880 --> 0:13:23.640 Ethan Slater. 0:13:23.840 --> 0:13:26.720 It is Marie heals him. 0:13:27.280 --> 0:13:31.120 Probably not a good idea, and then you realize, oh shit, 0:13:31.240 --> 0:13:33.640 it's Thomas who had the plan all along. It's box 0:13:33.679 --> 0:13:38.560 Woodman bock would box bock Woodman from Wicked box Wood 0:13:38.960 --> 0:13:43.079 that wicked guy. And yes, and he is gonna now 0:13:43.120 --> 0:13:46.640 be fully healed by Marie to to plan killing. 0:13:46.440 --> 0:13:47.600 All the soups. 0:13:48.160 --> 0:13:54.200 So good for him, good for that terrible man, and uh, 0:13:54.400 --> 0:14:00.880 good for honestly Amazon forgetting the old big big hero 0:14:01.320 --> 0:14:05.280 six kind of level stars out for this one with yeah, 0:14:05.360 --> 0:14:08.440 with Goadalkin and into the finale we work. 0:14:23.960 --> 0:14:29.000 In the finale, Uh, Tom Godalkin now up on his feet. 0:14:29.800 --> 0:14:30.080 Uh. 0:14:30.480 --> 0:14:35.960 Sends an email blast to the to the student body saying, hey, everybody. 0:14:36.000 --> 0:14:36.440 Guess what. 0:14:37.000 --> 0:14:39.560 I know that a lot of people have been frustrated 0:14:40.120 --> 0:14:43.680 at the kind of ladder, the hierarchy here at Godalkin, 0:14:43.800 --> 0:14:45.840 you where it felt like, you know, there's a select 0:14:46.400 --> 0:14:50.040 few amount of students who are able to rise to 0:14:50.080 --> 0:14:52.600 the top and get the you know, the access to 0:14:52.640 --> 0:14:57.800 the prime nil superhero deals and perhaps like a pathway 0:14:57.880 --> 0:14:58.400 to the seven. 0:14:58.640 --> 0:15:01.680 Well, guess what are opening up the doors. We're throwing 0:15:01.720 --> 0:15:02.520 it all. 0:15:02.240 --> 0:15:05.560 Open and everybody now is gonna get a chance to 0:15:06.080 --> 0:15:09.160 compete for those primes. It's not just gonna be a 0:15:09.200 --> 0:15:13.000 selection process. It's gonna be open enrollment. Come down to 0:15:13.040 --> 0:15:15.880 my office tomorrow and we're gonna hash it out. 0:15:15.920 --> 0:15:17.040 And guess what. It's a trap. 0:15:17.400 --> 0:15:20.680 Of course, our heroes, our heroes of course know it's 0:15:20.720 --> 0:15:25.360 a trap, and so they're as this is happening. They're 0:15:25.400 --> 0:15:28.880 trying to figure out, Okay, what how do we we 0:15:28.960 --> 0:15:31.960 know this is a trap And we know that Goodalkin 0:15:32.080 --> 0:15:38.840 slash Cipher is all about mutant supremacy. Right, He's gonna 0:15:38.920 --> 0:15:43.120 want to call the week in his own words, He's 0:15:43.120 --> 0:15:44.960 gonna want to call the week. And this has gotta 0:15:44.960 --> 0:15:46.560 be what this is about? How do we get in there, 0:15:46.840 --> 0:15:51.440 so they're planning to get in there. It's just as 0:15:51.480 --> 0:15:55.680 they thought. Goodalkin gathers the student body and just has 0:15:55.760 --> 0:15:58.520 everybody like killing each other willy nilly. 0:15:58.640 --> 0:16:01.080 Almosto makes sense because of what we saw with the 0:16:01.160 --> 0:16:02.520 training he was doing. 0:16:03.080 --> 0:16:06.160 I almost so like is this I feel like. 0:16:06.320 --> 0:16:08.600 And this is you know, definitely a boys you know 0:16:08.680 --> 0:16:11.560 that's problem, But like why is everyone so dramatic? 0:16:11.640 --> 0:16:13.800 Like why can't he just do like a normal version 0:16:13.840 --> 0:16:15.040 of killing off that, you know what I mean? 0:16:15.080 --> 0:16:17.960 Like, that's my favorite thing about this universe is everyone's 0:16:17.960 --> 0:16:20.360 still the most extreme version, Like you just got a 0:16:20.360 --> 0:16:21.640 bunch of kids killing each other. 0:16:21.680 --> 0:16:22.280 I feel like you. 0:16:22.240 --> 0:16:24.440 Could have come up with an easier way to do this, 0:16:24.560 --> 0:16:24.880 my guy. 0:16:25.120 --> 0:16:28.440 Yeah, And also like can't I understand some of the 0:16:28.480 --> 0:16:32.640 powers are not that cool, but like a fire power, 0:16:33.120 --> 0:16:35.480 for instance, to control fire, I think. 0:16:35.360 --> 0:16:36.080 Is pretty cool. 0:16:36.400 --> 0:16:39.160 But when I'm kidding, so, can't you find like another 0:16:39.280 --> 0:16:40.680 job for some of these people? 0:16:40.760 --> 0:16:44.040 Like they don't? It seems like such a waste anyway. 0:16:43.640 --> 0:16:46.200 It does also, Okay, I want to also let's let's 0:16:46.280 --> 0:16:48.600 check in because this was something that you know, we 0:16:48.640 --> 0:16:51.760 didn't get too into, but let's also talk about the 0:16:51.840 --> 0:16:55.400 Dolkins relationship with sister Sage and well. 0:16:55.680 --> 0:17:00.400 Listen, Okay, so this let's just like roll the justscussion 0:17:00.400 --> 0:17:04.919 into the recap as well. I will say some of 0:17:05.359 --> 0:17:12.280 episode eight, the finale, particularly the beginning when it's like 0:17:12.560 --> 0:17:16.080 and even the relationship when he was puppeting Cipher. 0:17:16.000 --> 0:17:18.080 Yes, felt like. 0:17:20.000 --> 0:17:20.040 It. 0:17:20.160 --> 0:17:23.920 It felt like kink shaving to me a little bit. 0:17:25.400 --> 0:17:30.120 Jason and I listen, like, there's you know, sexual uh 0:17:30.440 --> 0:17:34.000 proclivities on display here that I'm not personally into. That said, 0:17:34.119 --> 0:17:37.040 I found it a little bit like, hey, if you're 0:17:37.119 --> 0:17:42.000 into this kind of more SMM style sex, you're. 0:17:42.160 --> 0:17:44.520 Evil and wa was weird, right right? 0:17:44.680 --> 0:17:48.800 I feel like that's very against the general understanding of 0:17:48.840 --> 0:17:53.119 what BDSM has become posts ah, you know, fifty Shades 0:17:53.119 --> 0:17:56.119 of Gray, which was really unrepresentative but opened up a 0:17:56.160 --> 0:17:58.359 lot of normal people's minds to what it could be. 0:17:58.440 --> 0:18:01.480 I feel like that has been to talk about how 0:18:01.480 --> 0:18:04.320 consensual it is, to talk about how non evil it is, 0:18:04.359 --> 0:18:05.160 to talk about how all. 0:18:05.119 --> 0:18:06.719 Different kinds of people do it. 0:18:06.800 --> 0:18:09.720 And obviously we spoke about Pillion coming up like a 0:18:09.800 --> 0:18:12.479 dom com. So yeah, I do think I think that 0:18:12.520 --> 0:18:14.680 you and Ian were onto something with that. 0:18:14.760 --> 0:18:18.359 Catch it's not for me, Like, that's not what I know, 0:18:18.440 --> 0:18:20.399 It's not for me in my life. But I felt 0:18:20.440 --> 0:18:25.200 like they used this these kind of scenes as character 0:18:25.280 --> 0:18:30.880 builders in a way that seemed to suggest, like, hey, 0:18:31.119 --> 0:18:33.680 there was an implication of like the moral connection between 0:18:33.720 --> 0:18:36.160 the second yes and their behavior, And I do think 0:18:36.160 --> 0:18:39.280 that that is an outdated take and I felt like 0:18:39.320 --> 0:18:42.080 it went a little bit over the line into shaming 0:18:42.280 --> 0:18:43.000 essentially for me. 0:18:43.520 --> 0:18:46.639 Yeah, Also, what is the appeal. 0:18:46.320 --> 0:18:49.800 To sister stage of this relationship. That's my other thing. 0:18:49.880 --> 0:18:51.200 She's like the smartest person. 0:18:51.600 --> 0:18:56.560 She's incredibly strong and sexy and cool. And when we 0:18:56.600 --> 0:19:02.159 first saw her with are, when we first saw her 0:19:02.240 --> 0:19:06.919 with our you know, Hamish link later version, I was like, Okay, 0:19:06.960 --> 0:19:08.879 these two they are new up and comers there. But 0:19:08.920 --> 0:19:11.679 I don't know if I believe that Puppetier the Dolkin 0:19:11.800 --> 0:19:13.480 has the juice. 0:19:13.760 --> 0:19:17.800 Yes, so our heroes come up with a plan that 0:19:17.880 --> 0:19:23.600 includes climbing into the butt of butt boy. 0:19:23.960 --> 0:19:27.280 Could you be surprised his butt has been linked in 0:19:27.359 --> 0:19:30.399 every episode? Everyone to know why there were so many 0:19:30.440 --> 0:19:33.280 butt jokes and butt stuff in this season. It's been 0:19:33.400 --> 0:19:35.560 leading to this, which is obviously a riff on our 0:19:35.600 --> 0:19:38.240 big and man than asks can't he just go up 0:19:38.280 --> 0:19:41.160 the button explode him joke, which has been done many times. 0:19:41.440 --> 0:19:44.439 Kate now with her full powers thanks to Marie In 0:19:44.520 --> 0:19:47.280 what again, what was an emotional moment when Marie's like, 0:19:47.280 --> 0:19:52.000 I'm gonna heal you now manages to get one more 0:19:52.080 --> 0:20:01.000 student placed into the Hunger Games Battle Royale kill fest 0:20:01.160 --> 0:20:05.040 that Thomas Godalkin is overseeing. That is butt Boy. Butt 0:20:05.080 --> 0:20:08.280 Boy goes in and to go, what are you doing here? 0:20:08.560 --> 0:20:10.480 I'll show you what I'm doing here, and butt Boy 0:20:10.600 --> 0:20:14.040 expels all of our heroes out of the butt as 0:20:14.080 --> 0:20:19.840 Marie engages with Thomas Dawkin's uh, you know, mind controlled 0:20:19.960 --> 0:20:25.240 student body. Big fight happens. But then when it seems 0:20:25.320 --> 0:20:29.320 like they have won and they have the chance to 0:20:29.880 --> 0:20:33.480 murk Goodalkin right there, and it had me being like, 0:20:33.520 --> 0:20:40.520 why are you hesitating for now? It turns out Goodalkin 0:20:41.400 --> 0:20:47.560 has been applying his own philosophies to himself, using all 0:20:47.680 --> 0:20:51.000 this death and violence and killing to train himself so 0:20:51.119 --> 0:20:54.639 that he can now overpower Marie. He takes control of 0:20:55.200 --> 0:20:59.520 Marie and she's about to cause the blood of all 0:20:59.520 --> 0:21:02.119 her friends to burst out of their bodies. She's killing 0:21:02.200 --> 0:21:05.119 him with her mind. But then Polarity comes in, and 0:21:05.160 --> 0:21:08.200 of course Polarity has developed has realized that he has 0:21:08.240 --> 0:21:12.399 the ability to not just resist Godulkin slash Cipher, but 0:21:12.440 --> 0:21:16.320 to actually disrupt his powers. He does it, and then 0:21:16.680 --> 0:21:21.400 they take out Godulkin. They take him out, Happy Days. 0:21:21.840 --> 0:21:24.800 They go on the run, and who should contact them 0:21:24.800 --> 0:21:28.080 and find them none other than Starlighter, who says, you 0:21:28.119 --> 0:21:32.840 know what, this is the energy, you guys, This kind 0:21:32.840 --> 0:21:39.439 of shot in the arm of youthful resistance energy is 0:21:39.480 --> 0:21:42.800 exactly what we need to take on Homelander and Vought. 0:21:43.040 --> 0:21:45.320 Oh my god, Homeliner, we just kill him already. 0:21:45.320 --> 0:21:46.639 But yes, I kill it. 0:21:47.640 --> 0:21:49.240 And I think Marie is. 0:21:49.200 --> 0:21:52.280 Going to be the homeland to killer the weapon. I 0:21:52.320 --> 0:21:53.080 think it will work. 0:21:53.200 --> 0:21:54.240 But yeah, I agree with you. 0:21:54.280 --> 0:21:57.480 Like one, I feel like the funniest thing is cosmic 0:21:58.400 --> 0:21:59.960