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Speaker 1: Now Here are Bill Jones, Everson Walls, and Mickey Spagnola.
Speaker 3: Mercifully, it is the last day of twenty twenty four.
Speaker 3: We are looking ahead of twenty twenty five on this
Speaker 3: edition of Mixshots, brought to you by Miller Lite, Bill Jones,
Speaker 3: Everson Walls and Mickey Spagnola. We're gonna have predictions for
Speaker 3: twenty twenty.
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Speaker 4: What do you think of that? What's gonna happen in
Speaker 4: twenty I.
Speaker 2: Don't like those.
Speaker 5: It's gonna start tomorrow.
Speaker 4: Yep, the year is going to start tomorrow. There's one prediction.
Speaker 4: We're off to a rousing starter.
Speaker 1: Jerry said when he was on today, he said something
Speaker 1: to the effect that, yeah, let's just get through twenty
Speaker 1: twenty four.
Speaker 5: This has not been a good year.
Speaker 4: Now we get just twelve hours to.
Speaker 5: Go for many reasons.
Speaker 3: Right, all right, So Jerry was on the radio today
Speaker 3: and Mickey, you have come with clarity on what's going
Speaker 3: to happen. That's right for Sunday when the Cowboys take
Speaker 3: on the Washington Commanders of the regular season finale at
Speaker 3: noon at a And.
Speaker 1: As Jerry pointed out, I'm not under any unusual time
Speaker 1: frame to make a decision on the coaching staff or
Speaker 1: to announce it. Who knows he might have made the decision.
Speaker 3: Already, tried.
Speaker 4: Everybody may know what's going on.
Speaker 5: But he does, but he doesn't have to say.
Speaker 1: And he continued to speak out of both sides of
Speaker 1: his mind, talking about all the good things that Mike
Speaker 1: McCarthy did, but saying that, well, I don't have to
Speaker 1: say anything just yet.
Speaker 5: We have to evaluate.
Speaker 4: So you were saying, he talked out of both sides
Speaker 4: of his mouth.
Speaker 3: So he said all the good things, did he did
Speaker 3: he ever talk out of the other side.
Speaker 5: Of his mouth about bad things? Yeah?
Speaker 1: The injuries, Oh all right, and pointed that out, which
Speaker 1: you know, it's it's part of the story this year
Speaker 1: that just kind of gets eliminated. Uh, you know, it's
Speaker 1: it's one of these deals. And like I like to say,
Speaker 1: everybody likes to put something in a big box and
Speaker 1: put a bow on top without looking inside the box
Speaker 1: to see what you got. And you know, I'm watching
Speaker 1: the game last night, and all I kept seeing and
Speaker 1: hearing was all the injuries San Francisco had, the injuries
Speaker 1: Detroit had.
Speaker 2: I felt sorry for the guy, and I don't.
Speaker 1: See that when they do the Cowboys games. Nope, you
Speaker 1: know so what that you lost six Pro bowlers and
Speaker 1: one more that didn't go on injured reserve. That's what
Speaker 1: I'm saying, Yeah and so, yeah, it's part of the
Speaker 1: story of this season that can't be ignored.
Speaker 5: So and he did point that out. What do you
Speaker 5: have to have different?
Speaker 1: Well, I got to have my Pro Bowl quarterback on
Speaker 1: the field, and I've got to have an offensive line.
Speaker 5: He goes.
Speaker 1: If I made a mistake. I assumed that we could
Speaker 1: put young guys in on the offensive line and it
Speaker 1: would just take off and be as good as ever.
Speaker 1: And he goes, and there were growing pains there. He goes,
Speaker 1: I got to have my defensive ends that I lost
Speaker 1: all season long, And oh what about the cornerbacks and
Speaker 1: the linebackers and so and now the wide receiver, by
Speaker 1: the way, and you had the other wide receiver out.
Speaker 4: For four weeks.
Speaker 1: No Cooks was out seven seven games at.
Speaker 3: Least from late September until November, right.
Speaker 1: From the first Giants game to Yeah, and my other
Speaker 1: Pro Bowl corner missed the first ten games of the season,
Speaker 1: so some of that matters, And I think it has
Speaker 1: to go into his evaluation of Mike McCarthy.
Speaker 3: By the way, that was also the toughest stretch of
Speaker 3: the season, when Michael Parsons was.
Speaker 1: Out right those four games, and.
Speaker 3: Then leading up to last week's game, when after Micah
Speaker 3: had returned, this team was leading the league in sacks
Speaker 3: since his return, leading the league in takeaways.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and pressures too, by the way.
Speaker 4: And the schedule got easier during this stretch too, right,
Speaker 4: And it did.
Speaker 3: But all you gotta do even just look at the
Speaker 3: quarterback position alone and see which teams have qualified for
Speaker 3: the postseason, which we went through this last week. And
Speaker 3: I'll quickly go through it here. Eagles, Commanders, they both
Speaker 3: have their quarterbacks. I'm assuming hurts his back whatever, and
Speaker 3: he will be Lions, Vikings Packers have their quarterbacks.
Speaker 1: And stop right there. Vikings had a sugar plum Land
Speaker 1: in their lap. They had no idea Sam Darnold was.
Speaker 3: Going to do what he who used to be Baker
Speaker 3: Mayfield's teammate in Carolina, and which gets me to Tampa
Speaker 3: Bay has their quarterback, Baker Mayfield, and the Rams clinched
Speaker 3: their division and they've got their quarterback, Matthew Stafford.
Speaker 4: And we could do the same process.
Speaker 3: And the AFC as well, where the Bills have their quarterback,
Speaker 3: the Ravens, the Steelers, the Bengals are still threatening because because.
Speaker 4: They because they have their quarterback.
Speaker 3: The Texans have their quarterback, are limping to the finish line.
Speaker 4: And oh, by the way, the Chiefs, the Chargers, and
Speaker 4: the Broncos all have their starting quarterbacks. So there you go.
Speaker 1: And that's the story of twenty twenty four.
Speaker 3: It might be the story of every season in the NFL.
Speaker 3: And got your starting quarterback, you are still have a shot.
Speaker 3: Going back to Jeff Hostetler and the Giants Everson where
Speaker 3: we saved Jeff.
Speaker 4: Let's there you go.
Speaker 6: We were special. We were special, and we're like Philly,
Speaker 6: we don't need.
Speaker 1: And for those that want to point point out that,
Speaker 1: you know, these other teams with the Saquon Barkley over
Speaker 1: two thousand yards Derrick Henry, but guess what, they had
Speaker 1: special quarterbacks to play with them. And that factored into
Speaker 1: their effectiveness.
Speaker 6: You've got that guy Cook is running right but off
Speaker 6: of there and I'll come and.
Speaker 2: It's definitely because he's playing off.
Speaker 1: Of his quarterback, because Josh Allen can run his butt.
Speaker 3: The offensive line has something to do with it, Yes, absolutely,
Speaker 3: which gets back to what Jerry apparently said about the
Speaker 3: offensive line if he made one mistake, that is I
Speaker 3: think pretty lairing HiT's depending on the young guys.
Speaker 5: Just assuming that it was going to be.
Speaker 3: But at some point, when you've got two future Hall
Speaker 3: of famers who are in the last part of their career,
Speaker 3: Tyron Smith and Zach Martin, You're going to have to
Speaker 3: make that transition at some point, right, and this happens
Speaker 3: to be the point where that was happening.
Speaker 1: And despite that, they had a running back run for
Speaker 1: a thousand yards that had never been given that chance.
Speaker 1: And you have to go back to twenty I did
Speaker 1: this twenty nineteen last time the Cowboys had somebody rush
Speaker 1: for as much as Rico Dado has, because while Pollard
Speaker 1: did it, Rico's got like a yard or two more
Speaker 1: than he ever had in his thousand yards situations.
Speaker 5: So you have to go back to z.
Speaker 3: Which but having said that, on the other side on Sunday,
Speaker 3: they were celebrating running back who.
Speaker 1: By the way, but he had a running quarterback.
Speaker 3: But more importantly than the running quarterback is they have
Speaker 3: an offensive line that is right up there with the Lions,
Speaker 3: the best in football.
Speaker 6: So the way I always look at it is the
Speaker 6: defense always gives them another chance. Soarkley has always had
Speaker 6: a defense to give him the ball so he can
Speaker 6: run for more yards.
Speaker 1: Who was Dickerson quarterback that year?
Speaker 6: Little shorting uh from from Canada?
Speaker 4: The quarterback, short quarterback.
Speaker 2: You'll come up.
Speaker 6: Okay, I'm gonna do that.
Speaker 4: Short quarterback.
Speaker 3: So it was handed to three Rams. I'm not going
Speaker 3: to put the year in or anything. It's just short quarterback.
Speaker 3: I misspelled Canada.
Speaker 2: But Rams.
Speaker 3: Let's see if it comes up here list of Rams
Speaker 3: starting quarterbacks.
Speaker 1: There it'll be Doug Flutie or something.
Speaker 4: Short quarterback. Let us go back through the list of
Speaker 4: the quarterbacks.
Speaker 2: Eighty five.
Speaker 3: Most schemes.
Speaker 5: When he set the singles.
Speaker 2: Okay, I was going for when I you know, played
Speaker 2: in eighty five?
Speaker 5: Yeah, eighty three.
Speaker 4: Okay, well wait a second, we got to get.
Speaker 3: Yeah fair Norm Van Brocklyn was short Eddie LeBaron play
Speaker 3: for them. Let me see eighty five.
Speaker 1: Yeah, eighty three, I was going eighty five.
Speaker 4: We're talking Peter Brock, the short quarterback from Canada. Peter Brock.
Speaker 2: I think that might have been him. Yeah, it was
Speaker 2: a weird name.
Speaker 4: Peter Brock. Let me look you up here. That's no,
Speaker 4: he's an A but Canada he played football.
Speaker 2: That's where it was.
Speaker 3: Remember he's from He's from the province of Alabama.
Speaker 2: We're going back up to Canada.
Speaker 4: Oh wait, wait, what you know where he played college.
Speaker 2: In Canada?
Speaker 4: They can't think of an Alabama school.
Speaker 2: Oh not Jackson.
Speaker 6: Yes, not Jackson You are.
Speaker 5: Champions.
Speaker 4: It all comes back to Jacksonville State. That's the story
Speaker 4: of this season.
Speaker 6: That's the story of the month. We pops up every
Speaker 6: every day this month.
Speaker 1: They won their bowl games.
Speaker 4: Oh that's funny.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 3: He was a two time CFL Most Outstanding Player, Peter Brock,
Speaker 3: and it was the Rams quarterback in eighty five.
Speaker 2: Answer your question, said Chris.
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, he did in eighty four though, so.
Speaker 4: So that would be Jeff Kemp and Vincent. Four is
Speaker 4: when he broke that record.
Speaker 5: I thought it was eighty.
Speaker 4: Who was there Jeff Kemp.
Speaker 3: He ran for eighteen hundred yards in eighty three though,
Speaker 3: and of course the Jeff Kemp, the son of Jack Camp.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, and all those yards were against the Cowboys
Speaker 1: two in eighty three if you count the playoff game.
Speaker 2: Half of them.
Speaker 4: Okay, so what were we talking about?
Speaker 2: Nothing? Nothing better than Jacksonville State.
Speaker 1: Oh, we were talking about the benefits of having your
Speaker 1: starting quarterback on the field playing well for the playoffs.
Speaker 1: So so last night didn't change anything, right.
Speaker 4: That meaningless Detroit.
Speaker 1: It was a meaningless game, right, except they knew going
Speaker 1: in it was me except maybe the Cowboys won't have
Speaker 1: to play San Francisco decks.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, so there was meeting because there's a third
Speaker 4: place schedule.
Speaker 1: Yeah there last right now Arizona's ahead of them.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but now the Rams don't have to win in
Speaker 3: the season finale.
Speaker 4: So San Francisco wins that.
Speaker 1: San Francisco has to play Arizona.
Speaker 4: Oh okay, they play each other.
Speaker 3: Oh they played for the Cowboys.
Speaker 2: I'm sure that's what's on their minds.
Speaker 1: Well, the tie breaker is going to come down to,
Speaker 1: like I don't know what tie breaker is going to.
Speaker 4: Be, and we don't, but one way or the other.
Speaker 3: The Cowboys are going to play or San Francisco next season.
Speaker 2: It's a shame that this season.
Speaker 6: I feel very good about our improvement, even though it
Speaker 6: was over teams that were kind of martin them, you know,
Speaker 6: some teams. The Tampa Bay went to me was the
Speaker 6: best win of the season. We really thought that that
Speaker 6: had put us at least on a trend upward, which
Speaker 6: I still think it's you know, we we can't ignore
Speaker 6: our streak that we had. But at the same time,
Speaker 6: I'm pretty proud of where we were versus.
Speaker 2: Where we ended up. I just have to say that.
Speaker 6: I mean, even though we did lose badly to teams
Speaker 6: that were very good doing that stretch, but we won
Speaker 6: against teams that were not so good. We won the
Speaker 6: games we were supposed to win, and it didn't seem
Speaker 6: as if we could do that when we first started
Speaker 6: having these calamities.
Speaker 3: Okay, so let's don't put a name on just in
Speaker 3: a general sense, if you were the owner slash general
Speaker 3: manager of a football team.
Speaker 2: A football team, a football.
Speaker 3: Not this football team, a football team, and what happened
Speaker 3: this season, including the injuries and what you just said.
Speaker 4: The third to last.
Speaker 3: Game of the season, probably the best game they played
Speaker 3: all year. Coming off all that, how would you handle
Speaker 3: things going forward in terms of the coaching staff.
Speaker 6: As far as the coaching staff is concerned, I think
Speaker 6: I would keep them intact and simply because you're not
Speaker 6: gonna find anyone. First of all, I always talk about
Speaker 6: the elephant in the room, and that would be Jerry.
Speaker 6: You've got to find coaches that can deal with the
Speaker 6: general manager and owner that Jerry is. But at the
Speaker 6: same time, you have to realize you're gonna have a
Speaker 6: lot of work to do. If you're changing the entire
Speaker 6: coaching staff. You got a lot of work you put
Speaker 6: in a whole new system. You're gonna have to change
Speaker 6: your If we be the whole new staff next year
Speaker 6: is not gonna be good because it's going to be
Speaker 6: an adjustment period. If we keep this staff and we
Speaker 6: continue with the trend that we were on, putting in
Speaker 6: some pieces, make sure everyone stays healthy.
Speaker 2: I still don't.
Speaker 6: See us as a super Bowl team, but I see
Speaker 6: us as a playoff team that could go deep.
Speaker 2: That's just my opinion.
Speaker 1: And and and and that's the other elephant in the room.
Speaker 1: And I heard the question today or maybe it wasn't
Speaker 1: to him when it was said, it's like, what do
Speaker 1: they have to do to win a super Bowl next year?
Speaker 1: I'm going how about playoffs? How about a division title?
Speaker 1: How about just winning one first round game? Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: not just look at the super Bowl.
Speaker 6: Well that's what That's why we picked the did we
Speaker 6: pick a We picked eighteen? We didn't pick the Cowboy
Speaker 6: because they only talked to us that way. So the
Speaker 6: only way we are seen it's super Bowl up bust
Speaker 6: every year. Now, that's the optimism you have from every team,
Speaker 6: but everyone believes when Jerry Jones says it, it's just
Speaker 6: a difference. It's just a difference.
Speaker 1: So, speaking of making transitions like that, Mike Zimmer talked
Speaker 1: about it yesterday and he said one of his regrets
Speaker 1: was he didn't do what he wanted to do defensively
Speaker 1: from the start because he thought he needed to blend
Speaker 1: in on what they had done the year before.
Speaker 3: And when we come back here on mix shots, let's
Speaker 3: talk about that and more.
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Speaker 3: So as we transitioned to Mike Zimmer before Mickey talks
Speaker 3: about what he teased just a moment ago, Mike Zimmer
Speaker 3: was asked about Darren Woodson as well, and Darren Woodson
Speaker 3: is for the third straight year a finalist.
Speaker 4: For the Pro Football Hall of Fame. It was announced
Speaker 4: over the weekend.
Speaker 1: I just wrote eight paragraphs on that, setting up what
Speaker 1: Zim had to say.
Speaker 3: So would you like to paraphrase what he had to
Speaker 3: say there or would you like to go on to.
Speaker 5: He said it?
Speaker 1: I think the first thing he said it it it
Speaker 1: he should have been in a long time ago, basically,
Speaker 1: and then talked about all the things he could do.
Speaker 1: And my point now is, you know they list him
Speaker 1: as a safety. He was a defensive player. He played safety,
Speaker 1: he played corner, he played linebacker, and I was I'll
Speaker 1: never let him off specialties. Unbelievable every year it's like,
Speaker 1: oh yeah, yeah. And then he found himself at least
Speaker 1: the outside guy on kickoff.
Speaker 4: Coverage and still like the.
Speaker 5: Cowboys, and.
Speaker 1: He led the Cowboys franchise in career tackles. Think about
Speaker 1: the defensive guys in this franchise that are in the
Speaker 1: Hall of Fame. He's got more tackles than them all.
Speaker 1: So anyway, okay, now my soapbox already.
Speaker 3: Yeah, all right, so now to what And this was
Speaker 3: the last availability of the twenty twenty four season for
Speaker 3: the coordinators with the media yesterday, and Mike Zimmer was
Speaker 3: very good and among the things he talked about was what.
Speaker 4: You were getting to a moment?
Speaker 2: YEAHO.
Speaker 1: And his point was that when he got here, he
Speaker 1: didn't think he should have reinvented the wheel and just
Speaker 1: bring in everything he wanted to do. He felt like, okay,
Speaker 1: this defense was pretty good the last couple of years,
Speaker 1: that let's use a little bit of what I want
Speaker 1: to do and keep some of the stuff they were
Speaker 1: doing sort of.
Speaker 5: I think that was the philosophy.
Speaker 1: If you think about when McCarthy got here with the
Speaker 1: offic it was like he didn't change the whole thing
Speaker 1: to be his offense. He let Kellen Moore do what
Speaker 1: they've been doing that had been successful or what dak knew.
Speaker 1: So yeah, he said that, you know, he said, I
Speaker 1: didn't come in, I wasn't stubborn, I wasn't a hard head.
Speaker 1: I probably wasn't as hard on guys as I should
Speaker 1: have been to start, and he goes, and as the
Speaker 1: season went along, he goes. I got to congratulate the
Speaker 1: players because we made somewhat of a transition and started
Speaker 1: doing things I wanted, yes, And so I thought that
Speaker 1: that was very revealing on his thoughts on.
Speaker 6: I always thought that, well, I have been thinking that
Speaker 6: Michael Parsons has a lot to do with this. We
Speaker 6: depend a lot on it, and we criticized him a
Speaker 6: lot when the defense is not playing well because he
Speaker 6: is out. He's our guy, and there are times when
Speaker 6: he was being exposed. I don't know what happened while
Speaker 6: he was injured, but it seems as if someone has
Speaker 6: given him a different mindset on how to set the edge,
Speaker 6: which is one of the plays that have been killing
Speaker 6: us all doing. You know, we've never been able to
Speaker 6: set the edge and running defense. That has changed as
Speaker 6: you see how other teams play it. We were watching
Speaker 6: other teams play it well on how they set the edge,
Speaker 6: and we were wondering, why can't we do that? Well,
Speaker 6: we started doing that, and now our defense is playing better.
Speaker 6: And I don't know what they said to Michael during
Speaker 6: that time. But to me, he's been the catalyst as
Speaker 6: to how we are setting the edge because he's the
Speaker 6: one that is playing differently now when it comes to
Speaker 6: those particular plays.
Speaker 1: And the other part of it was and I remember
Speaker 1: talking to him in the offseason about his plans for Micah,
Speaker 1: and his plans were that, yeah, you know, third down.
Speaker 4: Rushing the quarterback.
Speaker 1: But I'm gonna try to convince him he's gonna play
Speaker 1: a little more linebacker. Right well, that was fining good
Speaker 1: until Sam Williams went down, and that was finding good
Speaker 1: until DeMarcus Lawrence went down, and that was finding good
Speaker 1: until Marshawn Neeland went down.
Speaker 5: So u and then he goes down.
Speaker 1: But the idea was to make him a versatile defensive player,
Speaker 1: so teams didn't know that he's starting off right there.
Speaker 5: I'm gonna put him at linebacker and you don't know
Speaker 5: what he's going to do.
Speaker 6: So right now, he's playing like t J. Watts basically,
Speaker 6: that's what he's saying.
Speaker 2: And you don't want that. You want him to play.
Speaker 1: I mean, he's a stand up defensive end.
Speaker 2: You want to be more Fred Wanner and.
Speaker 1: I mean, if you watch event what Philadelphia was doing.
Speaker 1: Oh my lord, they had two three guys taking him
Speaker 1: on and nobody else took advantage in that game, and
Speaker 1: that's what they needed.
Speaker 2: I thought.
Speaker 6: I think the way they're playing defense now, and I
Speaker 6: know they had a tough game against Philly, I'm not
Speaker 6: going to judge them on the Philly game. I'm gonna
Speaker 6: judge them on what I saw in Tampa and leading
Speaker 6: up to Tampa, because you know, the Philadelphia game is
Speaker 6: what it is. I think our defense is just below
Speaker 6: what we were last year, and I think that's a
Speaker 6: good thing when you're talking about the transition that they made,
Speaker 6: and especially coming off those first say eight games that
Speaker 6: we played, to see them improve with the personnel that
Speaker 6: they have. I got to give him some love. I
Speaker 6: have to give him some love because they have kept
Speaker 6: us in games. They are active, and half the time
Speaker 6: you don't even know who these guys are. And that's
Speaker 6: the good thing about it. He's playing with guys who
Speaker 6: don't have nearly the talent. And I'm talking about coach Zimmer.
Speaker 6: He's playing guys with not near the talent from the
Speaker 6: ones that we lost.
Speaker 1: Speaking of not knowing the guys games, I gotta find it.
Speaker 5: Talk about something. Oh, I think it. I can't even believe.
Speaker 2: So in.
Speaker 1: Two thousand, when the Cowboys played the final game of
Speaker 1: the season at Tennessee, Tennessee had a.
Speaker 5: Whole lot to play for.
Speaker 1: The Cowboys were on their way to finishing five and eleven.
Speaker 1: And this is a little off track.
Speaker 4: But it may custom that.
Speaker 1: It made me think because the question now this week
Speaker 1: is is Trey Lance going to start the final game?
Speaker 5: So it made me think.
Speaker 1: Remember I brought up maybe it was yesterday, Reggie Colliers
Speaker 1: started the last game eighty six. Well, starting the last
Speaker 1: game in two thousand was Anthony Wright because Randall Cuddingham
Speaker 1: said he had a strained hamstring. Well, it was cold, game,
Speaker 1: didn't mean anything. Troy was already out with a concussion back,
Speaker 1: so they started Anthony Wright and went back and I
Speaker 1: just looked it up, read my story after the game
Speaker 1: that I wrote, and they were playing all these backup
Speaker 1: guys because everybody wanted to see the backup guys. And
Speaker 1: I said, well, this is what you get when you
Speaker 1: play backup guys.
Speaker 5: Right.
Speaker 1: One of the guys in that game, playing defensive tackle
Speaker 1: was named Noel Scarlet. Scarlet defensive tackle that was the
Speaker 1: only game I think he played all season long, right,
Speaker 1: and that was the only game he played in his
Speaker 1: NFL career. But that's what it got down to, right,
Speaker 1: and replacement players and basically, no, you know what I said,
Speaker 1: This was a preseason game in December, and that's what
Speaker 1: And it was on Christmas night. Nobody wanted to play.
Speaker 1: I'll guarantee you.
Speaker 3: Uh, and Anthony Wright in that game.
Speaker 5: And Anthony Wright, yeah, he's.
Speaker 3: Because he was five out of twenty for thirty five
Speaker 3: yards and two interceptions, and I think that four times.
Speaker 1: He had two fumble So they had four turnovers.
Speaker 3: Three carries nine yards and then Tennessee had a great defense.
Speaker 1: Well yeah, they had a they were going to get
Speaker 1: the number one seed I think that year in the AFC.
Speaker 2: So yeah, so.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you want you want to see.
Speaker 5: You Okay, you know now now this game.
Speaker 1: There's a chance they may do it. I got I
Speaker 1: had nothing against giving it a shot. But then two
Speaker 1: things could take place. One, he plays so poorly that
Speaker 1: you might.
Speaker 2: You will go all those sink all the way there.
Speaker 1: Right, But what if he plays well, it's a free
Speaker 1: agent and somebody else goes, huh, well, maybe I'll pay
Speaker 1: him five million dollars to be maybe my backup when
Speaker 1: the Cowboys could be thinking, well, maybe you know, I
Speaker 1: can sign them for my backup quarterback if he plays well.
Speaker 1: But if he plays poorly, well, he's no more than
Speaker 1: the third guy.
Speaker 5: Once again, in a game that you.
Speaker 1: Don't have all your receivers out there, maybe what if
Speaker 1: Brendon Cooks doesn't play and you got Tolbert Brooks, Turpin
Speaker 1: and Flinoy out there.
Speaker 3: Well, if Brandon Cooks doesn't play, then those three receptions
Speaker 3: will go to one other.
Speaker 2: Those three.
Speaker 5: And the two inters.
Speaker 3: And that's nothing against Brandon Cooks because I think he's
Speaker 3: rte fully cable doing more.
Speaker 1: But that's all he's been here. They knew that's what
Speaker 1: they had to cover. I think about having into double
Speaker 1: and triple coverage there, absolutely all right, anyway.
Speaker 3: All right, uh, let's get into more of what the
Speaker 3: coordinators talked about yesterday. Okay, and then some when mix
Speaker 3: shots continues in a moment.
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Speaker 3: Mixshots and Mickey. You're talking earlier about Rico Dowdell going
Speaker 3: over one thousand yards, and he's at what now, one
Speaker 3: thousand seven?
Speaker 5: I believe it is what I said.
Speaker 4: I can't remember what you said.
Speaker 2: He did say seven, okay.
Speaker 4: One thousand.
Speaker 3: Now he's you said, he's one short one yard, he's
Speaker 3: one thousand. Tony Pollard in two thousand and two, twenty
Speaker 3: twenty two had one thousand and seven yards. In twenty
Speaker 3: twenty three he had one thousand and five yards, And
Speaker 3: so Pollard, I mean, doubtell, is how far away from.
Speaker 1: One yard being more than anybody since zek and twenty?
Speaker 3: Kay?
Speaker 4: So he's at one thousand and six or seven?
Speaker 5: Seven?
Speaker 2: Okay?
Speaker 4: So he's tied with Pollard right now?
Speaker 3: Yes, okay, which led me to look up what Pollard
Speaker 3: has done. Of course, the decision the Cowboys had to
Speaker 3: make after last season was whether or not to re
Speaker 3: sign Tony Pollard in pre agency. He signed with Tennessee
Speaker 3: three years, twenty four million dollars. And I just looked
Speaker 3: up his numbers for this season, and Tony Pollard is
Speaker 3: sitting at he played. He has played in fifteen games,
Speaker 3: fifteen starts, one thousand and seventeen yards, very similar to
Speaker 3: his numbers here with Dallas on two hundred and thirty
Speaker 3: eight carries and five touchdowns.
Speaker 1: And they've both played the same amount of games. Because
Speaker 1: I think Rico missed that's.
Speaker 3: Right, he missed one. Yeah, that's right. Mysterious illness.
Speaker 1: So everybody I remember that, Yeah right, everybody with didn't
Speaker 1: like the committee? Raise your hand now because you got
Speaker 1: a thousand yard Russier And.
Speaker 3: How many yards per carry does Dad'll have?
Speaker 4: Do you have his stats in front of you?
Speaker 5: Yeah?
Speaker 2: I just closed it. We never closed a subject here, right,
Speaker 2: You know that, bough You know.
Speaker 3: That because out I mean, Pollard is at four point
Speaker 3: three yards per tend Now it is apples and oranges
Speaker 3: when you compare Tennessee. Does things freak those a certain way?
Speaker 5: In the cow point seven?
Speaker 1: Yeah, yards are carried now he only has one rushing touchdown.
Speaker 5: Pollard has seven. But they paid dearly for it, right.
Speaker 3: Three years, three years, twenty four million is the total value.
Speaker 5: So that average is eight million.
Speaker 4: And eight million a year, and that was the going rate.
Speaker 3: Basically, why did Derrick Henry get nine million a year
Speaker 3: something like that in Tennessee?
Speaker 1: And and and you know what, I finally looked up
Speaker 1: Saquon and his was in that three year.
Speaker 5: Thirty some whatever.
Speaker 1: But the guarantees they've given him to reduce his cap
Speaker 1: charge now the void year and I think the void
Speaker 1: years like twenty twenty eight, twenty twenty nine, somewhere in
Speaker 1: there is forty some million dollars.
Speaker 4: They're going to pay the piper at some point at
Speaker 4: some point.
Speaker 1: Now, Now, if it pays off then and you win,
Speaker 1: you say, okay, you know, do like the Rams. So
Speaker 1: what we had, you know season the next year, but
Speaker 1: we won the Super Bowl. So and they did AJ
Speaker 1: Brown's contract the same way too. By the way, Philadelphia,
Speaker 1: there's going to be a huge payoff when he's done
Speaker 1: for the voided year. So, however, you want to do business,
Speaker 1: if it works, as as Parcells said, if it works,
Speaker 1: it's right.
Speaker 5: Does it you're wrong?
Speaker 3: And as we've talked about before and as far as
Speaker 3: these quarterback contracts, the key thing on the Dak contract
Speaker 3: where it has a bigger cap hit for this team
Speaker 3: than other teams that have signed quarterbacks in that same
Speaker 3: range that those quarterbacks on their second contract. Dak on
Speaker 3: his third contract, so you already had had money from
Speaker 3: the second contract built into these extended years on Deck's deal,
Speaker 3: and so it's counting more against the cap than what
Speaker 3: a Jalen hurts in Philadelphia.
Speaker 1: And he's another one at the end of that contract,
Speaker 1: it's in the cap hit is astronomical. So they're hoping
Speaker 1: they don't get there or he's been that.
Speaker 3: Well, they'll be to a point we do with the
Speaker 3: COT they'll be at a point where on his third contract,
Speaker 3: they're going to be in the same salary cap situation
Speaker 3: the Cowboys are in right.
Speaker 1: Now, because no one's taken less, especially if you play well.
Speaker 1: By the way, you know, we went over who the
Speaker 1: Cowboys had to play this coming season. I went and
Speaker 1: kind of looked everything up and did the records. So
Speaker 1: they got to play ten games against teams with winning records,
Speaker 1: and nine or ten of those games will be playoff
Speaker 1: games against layoff teams this year. But if Arizona ends
Speaker 1: up in third place in the in the West, their
Speaker 1: strength of schedule will be zero point five four nine
Speaker 1: winning percentage.
Speaker 5: That would be the teams they have to.
Speaker 1: Play, which is more than this year. Right now, it's
Speaker 1: at five oh eight. So it doesn't get any easier
Speaker 1: getting the third place schedule because of the two divisions
Speaker 1: they have to play.
Speaker 3: And again, can you remind us NFC North NFC North Okay,
Speaker 3: that features.
Speaker 1: Three right play Soda Green Bay.
Speaker 4: Three playoff Bounty Chicago.
Speaker 1: So those those four teams right now are forty two
Speaker 1: and twenty one, and then the AFC West Kansas City Chargers, Denver,
Speaker 1: which all could be playoff teams, and then the Raiders
Speaker 1: and they're thirty seven and twenty seven right now.
Speaker 3: So what you're saying is, in all likely hood, the
Speaker 3: winner of the NFC East next year will be a
Speaker 3: ten win team, nine ten win team because everyone everyone
Speaker 3: has to play the same schedule virtually, right.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 4: And so we know.
Speaker 3: Philadelphia is not winning the NFC East next year, so Dallas,
Speaker 3: because no one ever repeats, no One last team, No,
Speaker 3: we're talking twenty years, two thousand and four is the
Speaker 3: last time we've had.
Speaker 4: A WOW winner in the NFS.
Speaker 5: That's good, it's amazing.
Speaker 3: So all you got to do is get to ten
Speaker 3: wins to win the NFC East next year, probably because
Speaker 3: of the tough schedule ad and like it's the same
Speaker 3: every year.
Speaker 1: And then Philadelphia, what hap these guys, Well you got
Speaker 1: to be awfully good to play that schedule, and that's
Speaker 1: what happened to them this year too.
Speaker 3: Do you think those teams will be just as good
Speaker 3: next year as what they are this year?
Speaker 4: Not all of them. No, they won't be.
Speaker 1: They'll be in That's what injuries catch up with.
Speaker 2: That's what the NFC, I mean, Philadelphia.
Speaker 3: That's why this schedule formula is in existence to even
Speaker 3: things out.
Speaker 1: Now Philadelphia's got to play those same of course exactly conferences,
Speaker 1: but they got to play the NFC West first place.
Speaker 3: Yeah, which is what the Cowboys had to do this shi,
Speaker 3: which is.
Speaker 1: So that's the why am I blanking out for West?
Speaker 1: The Rams, right, and then the NFC South, Not big deal, right,
Speaker 1: it's Tampa.
Speaker 4: Bay, Tampa Bay.
Speaker 5: Right, Now, Cowboys get New Orleans and then the a
Speaker 5: f C.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well we don't do well. Yeah, that's just a pushover.
Speaker 1: Believe you just passed over or beat them forty whatever.
Speaker 1: And then they got to play first place in the
Speaker 1: a f C East, which is Buffalo, So that's a
Speaker 1: tough one. But the other two not that much different
Speaker 1: than who you gotta play, especially when you got Detroit, Minnesota,
Speaker 1: Green Bay, Kansas City Chargers, and probably Denver, although they've
Speaker 1: got to win, and does somebody have to lose for Denver's.
Speaker 3: Denver if Denver wins over Kansas City, which has nothing
Speaker 3: to play.
Speaker 1: For Denver's in which is a remarkable job by Sean Payton,
Speaker 1: by the way, which, by the way, with a rookie quarterback.
Speaker 4: How about Miami?
Speaker 2: And you know why?
Speaker 6: Defense, Defense, That's why this doesn't scare me.
Speaker 2: Oh we gotta play, dude.
Speaker 6: You put a good defense out there, you got a
Speaker 6: chance every time. I don't care what your offense looks like.
Speaker 6: I'm not just like my boy said, it's nothing. I've
Speaker 6: heard something I've done. I've seen it happen. These guys
Speaker 6: good teams. Yes, everybody talks about reputations. Yes, but if
Speaker 6: you come up there and you do like Mike Tyson,
Speaker 6: hit somebody in the mouth and see where that game play.
Speaker 3: Goes, you know about along the lines to the defense,
Speaker 3: Go ahead, Mackey.
Speaker 1: I was going to say, to emphasize this point. In
Speaker 1: two thousand and three, when the Cowboys got a wild
Speaker 1: card berth somehow, somehow, some way, Bill Parcells first year, Yeah,
Speaker 1: Quincy Carter was the quarterback. Yeah, Troy Hambrick was the
Speaker 1: running back.
Speaker 5: Uh.
Speaker 1: And I think one of the leading receivers was Richie
Speaker 1: Anderson the fullback. Think about it, I let that sink in.
Speaker 5: The defense.
Speaker 1: Third against the run, first against the past number one
Speaker 1: defense thanks to Mike Zimmer.
Speaker 3: I was going to say, who is the defensive coordinator
Speaker 3: by Zimmer and by which leads me perfectly into what
Speaker 3: I was about to say.
Speaker 4: I think one.
Speaker 3: Coach for sure that Jerry Jones would like to bring
Speaker 3: back is Mike Simmer.
Speaker 1: Yes, and I think it'll come down to did he
Speaker 1: enjoy this? Does he want to continue to coach?
Speaker 5: I think you and.
Speaker 2: I don't think he's been through a season like this.
Speaker 5: But I'm hoping I can get through this.
Speaker 1: It was pretty emotional just yesterday Zim as well as
Speaker 1: he did and he said they asked him about coming back,
Speaker 1: and he said, well, one of the things I did
Speaker 1: I did it for my son. Yeah, Adam passed away
Speaker 1: two years ago.
Speaker 3: Couple of years of October twenty two reached out to
Speaker 3: him and Adam, and then Adam had coached with his dad,
Speaker 3: starting in Cincinnati and then with all throughout the time
Speaker 3: at Minnesota and had been growing up here. I mean,
Speaker 3: Adam was thirty eight years old when he passed away,
Speaker 3: and so he grew up here, went to Colinville, heretage,
Speaker 3: and he was on the Cowboys sideline or sudden passing.
Speaker 5: And then and.
Speaker 1: Then somebody had to ask a follow up question, well
Speaker 1: why did this meet so much to you by your son,
Speaker 1: And he got pretty emotional talking about, well, he would
Speaker 1: have been here with me.
Speaker 2: Did he make it through?
Speaker 3: Yeah, he did, and he was great talking about it,
Speaker 3: And I thought it. I thought it was really We
Speaker 3: used it last night on the news because it really
Speaker 3: showed people didn't didn't realize what has gone on. And
Speaker 3: of course Mike's life going back to his his his
Speaker 3: wife fifteen years ago sudden passing when he was an
Speaker 3: assistant coach at Cincinnati.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 3: Uh, And but he was I thought he said it
Speaker 3: beautifully about how he needed to get back on.
Speaker 4: The field this season.
Speaker 3: He's been coping with his son's death for two years now.
Speaker 4: And uh, and how.
Speaker 3: He've talked about the season opener in Cleveland, how being
Speaker 3: back on the field and just being in that environment
Speaker 3: and people even from the other team coming up to him,
Speaker 3: staff members saying how great it is to see him back,
Speaker 3: and then going through the season, and he talked about
Speaker 3: how Adam loved the Cowboys. You know, when Adam was
Speaker 3: a kid, Adam was a kid. You know, Zim came before,
Speaker 3: and so Adam would have been ten years old then,
Speaker 3: and so as a kid, as a teenager, you know,
Speaker 3: he was always around, you know, on the sideline that
Speaker 3: training camp whatever. Even when the Cowboys were in training
Speaker 3: camp in San Antonio, he was in school at Trinity University, hanging.
Speaker 4: Around down there.
Speaker 3: And I thought it was beautiful the way Mike talked
Speaker 3: about it, and he got emotional talking about it, and
Speaker 3: I thought it was.
Speaker 1: Just kind of finished, just in time, because yeah, he
Speaker 1: got and I was right there with him because I
Speaker 1: knew Adam, you know, knew his wife, his whole story.
Speaker 1: Because after the two thousand and six season, Parcells wasn't
Speaker 1: sure if he was coming back, and Mike's contract was up,
Speaker 1: and he got an offer to go to Atlanta with
Speaker 1: the coach that used to be at Louisville ended.
Speaker 4: Up Bobby Petrino.
Speaker 1: Patrino, and Petrino had offered the job as the defensive
Speaker 1: coordinat so he had to decide do I take what
Speaker 1: I know or do I stay here and see what
Speaker 1: Parcell's going to do, because he might have had a
Speaker 1: chance to be the head coach here because he had
Speaker 1: gotten interviewed the year before by Nebraska and he didn't
Speaker 1: like the way it looked and he turned it down.
Speaker 5: So he goes to Atlanta.
Speaker 1: Patrino, I don't know, four games left in the season,
Speaker 1: quit to go to Arkansas. He was weird and unless
Speaker 1: his whole staff that he hired there.
Speaker 2: You know, the motorcycle rider.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and so he goes to Cincinnati next and I
Speaker 1: think they had to play Atlanta like that season and
Speaker 1: somebody asked him about his experience it Atlanta.
Speaker 5: Oh, look it up online.
Speaker 1: He went off on Patrino like you never in whatever
Speaker 1: machine you guys have to bleep the words out.
Speaker 5: It would have run out of bleeps. I swear to
Speaker 5: he just unloaded.
Speaker 2: Well before we I know, we gotta go.
Speaker 6: But uh, there are times when you get an apology
Speaker 6: or you get to release something, let it out.
Speaker 2: Sometimes you feel better.
Speaker 6: Sometimes you feel bad, as much as you might want
Speaker 6: to hold it in, and you think you're holding in
Speaker 6: for your own sake and.
Speaker 2: Don't want to involve anybody else.
Speaker 6: When you let it out, sometimes it feels good, and
Speaker 6: you'd be surprised about how good it. I had a
Speaker 6: guy apologize to me one day about something that happened
Speaker 6: a long time ago, and man, I told him it
Speaker 6: was all good.
Speaker 2: But as I started thinking about it, I felt better.
Speaker 2: I felt better.
Speaker 6: Because he apologized, and you let it go, Yes, I did.
Speaker 2: I had already let it go, but the fact that.
Speaker 6: He apologized to me, I had let it go without
Speaker 6: him apologizing, but then he apologized, and.
Speaker 2: I was like, nah, man, don't worry about it. And
Speaker 2: I didn't realize how good I felt. I did not
Speaker 2: realize how good that out there felt. Some sure them
Speaker 2: it felt the same way.
Speaker 1: And I think when we resume on Thursday, we can
Speaker 1: talk more about the assistant coaches, talking about their unknown
Speaker 1: of not knowing where you're going. I thought all of them,
Speaker 1: or John Fossil. John Fossil was really good at it
Speaker 1: because he grew up in that situation with his dad right.
Speaker 1: I think he told me he he'd lived twelve different
Speaker 1: places as a kid growing up, dad chasing the coaching
Speaker 1: and how how tough it is. You don't get immune
Speaker 1: to it, but you kind of know how to deal
Speaker 1: with it. And I think all the guys were really
Speaker 1: good talking about that.
Speaker 2: Anybody heard anything about al Harris being.
Speaker 3: How somebody should He's always, he's always, he's gonna.
Speaker 1: He's a defensive coordinator and no.
Speaker 3: Matter what happens here, he's getting he'll land, uh safely
Speaker 3: somewhere and in a good place. But I would think
Speaker 3: he's a good chance he will still be here if
Speaker 3: they keep you know.
Speaker 5: That that would be a priority if I was coming.
Speaker 3: And that all the factors into it, I think, the
Speaker 3: whole the whole coaching staff, and when when they're all
Speaker 3: up to your point from earlier, uh and why you
Speaker 3: in a just in a general sense, I feel like
Speaker 3: that keeping that continuity is important.
Speaker 6: You know, Uh, you can teach these young no name
Speaker 6: guys and no disrespect to them, they just people don't
Speaker 6: know them. But if you can teach guys with this
Speaker 6: little experience and you get guys who have been here
Speaker 6: that realize I got to step up and play better.
Speaker 6: Olsa being one of those guys you know, it just
Speaker 6: gives you pause, it does. It gives you a little
Speaker 6: bit of an optimism.
Speaker 1: But when we come back on Thursday, you're gonna have
Speaker 1: to talk about playing for Ernie Startner.
Speaker 2: Oh cool, cool, I'm ready.
Speaker 3: I'm ready, all right, So happy New Year everybody, and
Speaker 3: we won't be.
Speaker 4: Here tomorrow, but we will be here on Thursday.
Speaker 5: This season, it's not done yet.
Speaker 4: I Noon twenty twenty five is straight ahead.
Speaker 2: Go Cowboys.
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