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Speaker 2: And the official Dallas Cowboys at.

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Speaker 1: Now Here are Bill Jones, Everson Walls, and Mickey Spagnola.

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Speaker 3: Mercifully, it is the last day of twenty twenty four.

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Speaker 3: We are looking ahead of twenty twenty five on this

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Speaker 3: edition of Mixshots, brought to you by Miller Lite, Bill Jones,

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Speaker 3: Everson Walls and Mickey Spagnola. We're gonna have predictions for

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Speaker 3: twenty twenty.

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Speaker 2: Five on this auction of Oh my gag Shots.

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Speaker 4: What do you think of that? What's gonna happen in

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Speaker 4: twenty I.

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Speaker 2: Don't like those.

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Speaker 5: It's gonna start tomorrow.

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Speaker 4: Yep, the year is going to start tomorrow. There's one prediction.

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Speaker 4: We're off to a rousing starter.

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Speaker 1: Jerry said when he was on today, he said something

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Speaker 1: to the effect that, yeah, let's just get through twenty

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Speaker 1: twenty four.

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Speaker 5: This has not been a good year.

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Speaker 4: Now we get just twelve hours to.

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Speaker 5: Go for many reasons.

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Speaker 3: Right, all right, So Jerry was on the radio today

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Speaker 3: and Mickey, you have come with clarity on what's going

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Speaker 3: to happen. That's right for Sunday when the Cowboys take

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Speaker 3: on the Washington Commanders of the regular season finale at

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Speaker 3: noon at a And.

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Speaker 1: As Jerry pointed out, I'm not under any unusual time

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Speaker 1: frame to make a decision on the coaching staff or

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Speaker 1: to announce it. Who knows he might have made the decision.

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Speaker 3: Already, tried.

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Speaker 4: Everybody may know what's going on.

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Speaker 5: But he does, but he doesn't have to say.

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Speaker 1: And he continued to speak out of both sides of

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Speaker 1: his mind, talking about all the good things that Mike

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Speaker 1: McCarthy did, but saying that, well, I don't have to

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Speaker 1: say anything just yet.

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Speaker 5: We have to evaluate.

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Speaker 4: So you were saying, he talked out of both sides

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Speaker 4: of his mouth.

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Speaker 3: So he said all the good things, did he did

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Speaker 3: he ever talk out of the other side.

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Speaker 5: Of his mouth about bad things? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: The injuries, Oh all right, and pointed that out, which

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Speaker 1: you know, it's it's part of the story this year

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Speaker 1: that just kind of gets eliminated. Uh, you know, it's

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Speaker 1: it's one of these deals. And like I like to say,

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Speaker 1: everybody likes to put something in a big box and

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Speaker 1: put a bow on top without looking inside the box

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Speaker 1: to see what you got. And you know, I'm watching

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Speaker 1: the game last night, and all I kept seeing and

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Speaker 1: hearing was all the injuries San Francisco had, the injuries

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Speaker 1: Detroit had.

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Speaker 2: I felt sorry for the guy, and I don't.

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Speaker 1: See that when they do the Cowboys games. Nope, you

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Speaker 1: know so what that you lost six Pro bowlers and

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Speaker 1: one more that didn't go on injured reserve. That's what

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Speaker 1: I'm saying, Yeah and so, yeah, it's part of the

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Speaker 1: story of this season that can't be ignored.

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Speaker 5: So and he did point that out. What do you

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Speaker 5: have to have different?

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Speaker 1: Well, I got to have my Pro Bowl quarterback on

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Speaker 1: the field, and I've got to have an offensive line.

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Speaker 5: He goes.

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Speaker 1: If I made a mistake. I assumed that we could

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Speaker 1: put young guys in on the offensive line and it

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Speaker 1: would just take off and be as good as ever.

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Speaker 1: And he goes, and there were growing pains there. He goes,

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Speaker 1: I got to have my defensive ends that I lost

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Speaker 1: all season long, And oh what about the cornerbacks and

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Speaker 1: the linebackers and so and now the wide receiver, by

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Speaker 1: the way, and you had the other wide receiver out.

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Speaker 4: For four weeks.

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Speaker 1: No Cooks was out seven seven games at.

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Speaker 3: Least from late September until November, right.

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Speaker 1: From the first Giants game to Yeah, and my other

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Speaker 1: so some of that matters, And I think it has

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Speaker 3: By the way, that was also the toughest stretch of

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Speaker 3: the season, when Michael Parsons was.

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Speaker 1: Out right those four games, and.

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Speaker 3: Then leading up to last week's game, when after Micah

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and pressures too, by the way.

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Speaker 4: And the schedule got easier during this stretch too, right,

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Speaker 3: But all you gotta do even just look at the

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Speaker 3: the postseason, which we went through this last week. And

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Speaker 3: I'll quickly go through it here. Eagles, Commanders, they both

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Speaker 3: he will be Lions, Vikings Packers have their quarterbacks.

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Speaker 1: And stop right there. Vikings had a sugar plum Land

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Speaker 1: in their lap. They had no idea Sam Darnold was.

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Speaker 3: Going to do what he who used to be Baker

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Speaker 3: Mayfield's teammate in Carolina, and which gets me to Tampa

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Speaker 3: Bay has their quarterback, Baker Mayfield, and the Rams clinched

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Speaker 3: their division and they've got their quarterback, Matthew Stafford.

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Speaker 4: And we could do the same process.

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Speaker 3: And the AFC as well, where the Bills have their quarterback,

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Speaker 3: the Ravens, the Steelers, the Bengals are still threatening because because.

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Speaker 4: They because they have their quarterback.

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Speaker 3: The Texans have their quarterback, are limping to the finish line.

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Speaker 4: And oh, by the way, the Chiefs, the Chargers, and

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Speaker 4: the Broncos all have their starting quarterbacks. So there you go.

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Speaker 1: And that's the story of twenty twenty four.

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Speaker 3: It might be the story of every season in the NFL.

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Speaker 3: And got your starting quarterback, you are still have a shot.

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Speaker 3: Going back to Jeff Hostetler and the Giants Everson where

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Speaker 3: we saved Jeff.

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Speaker 4: Let's there you go.

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Speaker 6: We were special. We were special, and we're like Philly,

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Speaker 1: And for those that want to point point out that,

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Speaker 1: special quarterbacks to play with them. And that factored into

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Speaker 6: You've got that guy Cook is running right but off

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Speaker 2: It's definitely because he's playing off.

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Speaker 1: Of his quarterback, because Josh Allen can run his butt.

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Speaker 3: The offensive line has something to do with it, Yes, absolutely,

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Speaker 3: which gets back to what Jerry apparently said about the

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Speaker 3: think pretty lairing HiT's depending on the young guys.

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Speaker 5: Just assuming that it was going to be.

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Speaker 3: But at some point, when you've got two future Hall

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Speaker 1: And despite that, they had a running back run for

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Speaker 1: And you have to go back to twenty I did

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Speaker 1: this twenty nineteen last time the Cowboys had somebody rush

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Speaker 1: for as much as Rico Dado has, because while Pollard

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Speaker 5: So you have to go back to z.

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Speaker 3: Which but having said that, on the other side on Sunday,

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Speaker 3: they were celebrating running back who.

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Speaker 1: By the way, but he had a running quarterback.

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Speaker 3: But more importantly than the running quarterback is they have

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Speaker 6: So the way I always look at it is the

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Speaker 6: defense always gives them another chance. Soarkley has always had

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Speaker 1: Who was Dickerson quarterback that year?

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Speaker 6: Little shorting uh from from Canada?

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Speaker 4: The quarterback, short quarterback.

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Speaker 2: You'll come up.

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Speaker 6: Okay, I'm gonna do that.

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Speaker 4: Short quarterback.

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Speaker 3: So it was handed to three Rams. I'm not going

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Speaker 3: to put the year in or anything. It's just short quarterback.

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Speaker 3: I misspelled Canada.

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Speaker 2: But Rams.

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Speaker 3: Let's see if it comes up here list of Rams

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Speaker 1: There it'll be Doug Flutie or something.

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Speaker 4: Short quarterback. Let us go back through the list of

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Speaker 4: the quarterbacks.

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Speaker 2: Eighty five.

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Speaker 3: Most schemes.

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Speaker 5: When he set the singles.

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Speaker 2: Okay, I was going for when I you know, played

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Speaker 5: Yeah, eighty three.

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Speaker 3: Yeah fair Norm Van Brocklyn was short Eddie LeBaron play

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Speaker 1: Yeah, eighty three, I was going eighty five.

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Speaker 4: We're talking Peter Brock, the short quarterback from Canada. Peter Brock.

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Speaker 2: I think that might have been him. Yeah, it was

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Speaker 4: Peter Brock. Let me look you up here. That's no,

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Speaker 4: he's an A but Canada he played football.

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Speaker 2: That's where it was.

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Speaker 3: Remember he's from He's from the province of Alabama.

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Speaker 2: We're going back up to Canada.

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Speaker 4: Oh wait, wait, what you know where he played college.

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Speaker 2: In Canada?

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Speaker 4: They can't think of an Alabama school.

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Speaker 2: Oh not Jackson.

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Speaker 6: Yes, not Jackson You are.

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Speaker 5: Champions.

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Speaker 4: It all comes back to Jacksonville State. That's the story

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Speaker 6: That's the story of the month. We pops up every

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Speaker 6: every day this month.

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Speaker 1: They won their bowl games.

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Speaker 4: Oh that's funny.

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Speaker 1: Uh.

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Speaker 3: He was a two time CFL Most Outstanding Player, Peter Brock,

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Speaker 3: and it was the Rams quarterback in eighty five.

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Speaker 2: Answer your question, said Chris.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, he did in eighty four though, so.

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Speaker 4: So that would be Jeff Kemp and Vincent. Four is

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Speaker 4: when he broke that record.

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Speaker 5: I thought it was eighty.

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Speaker 4: Who was there Jeff Kemp.

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Speaker 3: He ran for eighteen hundred yards in eighty three though,

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Speaker 3: and of course the Jeff Kemp, the son of Jack Camp.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, and all those yards were against the Cowboys

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Speaker 1: two in eighty three if you count the playoff game.

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Speaker 2: Half of them.

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Speaker 4: Okay, so what were we talking about?

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Speaker 2: Nothing? Nothing better than Jacksonville State.

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Speaker 1: Oh, we were talking about the benefits of having your

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Speaker 1: starting quarterback on the field playing well for the playoffs.

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Speaker 1: So so last night didn't change anything, right.

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Speaker 4: That meaningless Detroit.

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Speaker 1: It was a meaningless game, right, except they knew going

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Speaker 1: to play San Francisco decks.

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Speaker 4: Oh yeah, so there was meeting because there's a third

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Speaker 1: Yeah there last right now Arizona's ahead of them.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, but now the Rams don't have to win in

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Speaker 3: the season finale.

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Speaker 1: and his plans were that, yeah, you know, third down.

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Speaker 4: Rushing the quarterback.

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Speaker 1: But I'm gonna try to convince him he's gonna play

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Speaker 1: a little more linebacker. Right well, that was fining good

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Speaker 1: until Sam Williams went down, and that was finding good

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Speaker 1: until DeMarcus Lawrence went down, and that was finding good

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Speaker 1: until Marshawn Neeland went down.

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Speaker 5: So u and then he goes down.

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Speaker 1: But the idea was to make him a versatile defensive player,

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Speaker 1: so teams didn't know that he's starting off right there.

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Speaker 5: I'm gonna put him at linebacker and you don't know

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Speaker 5: what he's going to do.

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Speaker 6: So right now, he's playing like t J. Watts basically,

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Speaker 6: that's what he's saying.

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Speaker 2: And you don't want that. You want him to play.

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Speaker 1: I mean, he's a stand up defensive end.

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Speaker 2: You want to be more Fred Wanner and.

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Speaker 1: I mean, if you watch event what Philadelphia was doing.

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Speaker 1: Oh my lord, they had two three guys taking him

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Speaker 1: on and nobody else took advantage in that game, and

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Speaker 1: that's what they needed.

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Speaker 2: I thought.

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Speaker 6: I think the way they're playing defense now, and I

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Speaker 6: know they had a tough game against Philly, I'm not

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Speaker 6: going to judge them on the Philly game. I'm gonna

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Speaker 6: judge them on what I saw in Tampa and leading

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Speaker 6: up to Tampa, because you know, the Philadelphia game is

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Speaker 6: what it is. I think our defense is just below

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Speaker 6: what we were last year, and I think that's a

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Speaker 6: good thing when you're talking about the transition that they made,

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Speaker 6: and especially coming off those first say eight games that

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Speaker 6: we played, to see them improve with the personnel that

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Speaker 6: they have. I got to give him some love. I

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Speaker 6: have to give him some love because they have kept

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Speaker 6: us in games. They are active, and half the time

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Speaker 6: you don't even know who these guys are. And that's

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Speaker 6: the good thing about it. He's playing with guys who

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Speaker 6: don't have nearly the talent. And I'm talking about coach Zimmer.

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Speaker 6: He's playing guys with not near the talent from the

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Speaker 6: ones that we lost.

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Speaker 1: Speaking of not knowing the guys games, I gotta find it.

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Speaker 5: Talk about something. Oh, I think it. I can't even believe.

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Speaker 2: So in.

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Speaker 1: Two thousand, when the Cowboys played the final game of

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Speaker 1: the season at Tennessee, Tennessee had a.

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Speaker 5: Whole lot to play for.

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Speaker 1: The Cowboys were on their way to finishing five and eleven.

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Speaker 1: And this is a little off track.

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Speaker 4: But it may custom that.

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Speaker 1: It made me think because the question now this week

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Speaker 1: is is Trey Lance going to start the final game?

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Speaker 5: So it made me think.

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Speaker 1: Remember I brought up maybe it was yesterday, Reggie Colliers

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Speaker 1: started the last game eighty six. Well, starting the last

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Speaker 1: game in two thousand was Anthony Wright because Randall Cuddingham

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Speaker 1: said he had a strained hamstring. Well, it was cold, game,

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Speaker 1: didn't mean anything. Troy was already out with a concussion back,

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Speaker 1: so they started Anthony Wright and went back and I

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Speaker 1: just looked it up, read my story after the game

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Speaker 1: that I wrote, and they were playing all these backup

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Speaker 1: guys because everybody wanted to see the backup guys. And

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Speaker 1: I said, well, this is what you get when you

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Speaker 1: play backup guys.

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Speaker 5: Right.

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Speaker 1: One of the guys in that game, playing defensive tackle

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Speaker 1: was named Noel Scarlet. Scarlet defensive tackle that was the

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Speaker 1: only game I think he played all season long, right,

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Speaker 1: and that was the only game he played in his

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Speaker 1: NFL career. But that's what it got down to, right,

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Speaker 1: and replacement players and basically, no, you know what I said,

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Speaker 1: This was a preseason game in December, and that's what

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Speaker 1: And it was on Christmas night. Nobody wanted to play.

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Speaker 1: I'll guarantee you.

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Speaker 3: Uh, and Anthony Wright in that game.

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Speaker 5: And Anthony Wright, yeah, he's.

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Speaker 3: Because he was five out of twenty for thirty five

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Speaker 3: yards and two interceptions, and I think that four times.

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Speaker 1: He had two fumble So they had four turnovers.

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Speaker 3: Three carries nine yards and then Tennessee had a great defense.

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Speaker 1: Well yeah, they had a they were going to get

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Speaker 1: the number one seed I think that year in the AFC.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, so.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you want you want to see.

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Speaker 5: You Okay, you know now now this game.

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Speaker 1: There's a chance they may do it. I got I

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Speaker 1: had nothing against giving it a shot. But then two

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Speaker 1: things could take place. One, he plays so poorly that

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Speaker 1: you might.

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Speaker 2: You will go all those sink all the way there.

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Speaker 1: Right, But what if he plays well, it's a free

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Speaker 1: agent and somebody else goes, huh, well, maybe I'll pay

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Speaker 1: him five million dollars to be maybe my backup when

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Speaker 1: the Cowboys could be thinking, well, maybe you know, I

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Speaker 1: can sign them for my backup quarterback if he plays well.

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Speaker 1: But if he plays poorly, well, he's no more than

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Speaker 1: the third guy.

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Speaker 5: Once again, in a game that you.

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Speaker 1: Don't have all your receivers out there, maybe what if

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Speaker 1: Brendon Cooks doesn't play and you got Tolbert Brooks, Turpin

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Speaker 1: and Flinoy out there.

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Speaker 3: Well, if Brandon Cooks doesn't play, then those three receptions

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Speaker 3: will go to one other.

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Speaker 2: Those three.

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Speaker 5: And the two inters.

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Speaker 3: And that's nothing against Brandon Cooks because I think he's

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Speaker 3: rte fully cable doing more.

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Speaker 1: But that's all he's been here. They knew that's what

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Speaker 1: they had to cover. I think about having into double

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Speaker 3: Mixshots and Mickey. You're talking earlier about Rico Dowdell going

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Speaker 3: over one thousand yards, and he's at what now, one

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Speaker 3: thousand seven?

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Speaker 5: I believe it is what I said.

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Speaker 4: I can't remember what you said.

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Speaker 2: He did say seven, okay.

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Speaker 4: One thousand.

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Speaker 3: Now he's you said, he's one short one yard, he's

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Speaker 3: one thousand. Tony Pollard in two thousand and two, twenty

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Speaker 3: twenty two had one thousand and seven yards. In twenty

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Speaker 3: twenty three he had one thousand and five yards, And

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Speaker 3: so Pollard, I mean, doubtell, is how far away from.

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Speaker 1: One yard being more than anybody since zek and twenty?

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Speaker 3: Kay?

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Speaker 4: So he's at one thousand and six or seven?

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Speaker 5: Seven?

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Speaker 2: Okay?

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Speaker 4: So he's tied with Pollard right now?

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Speaker 3: Yes, okay, which led me to look up what Pollard

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Speaker 3: has done. Of course, the decision the Cowboys had to

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Speaker 3: make after last season was whether or not to re

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Speaker 3: sign Tony Pollard in pre agency. He signed with Tennessee

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Speaker 3: three years, twenty four million dollars. And I just looked

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Speaker 3: up his numbers for this season, and Tony Pollard is

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Speaker 3: sitting at he played. He has played in fifteen games,

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Speaker 3: fifteen starts, one thousand and seventeen yards, very similar to

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Speaker 3: his numbers here with Dallas on two hundred and thirty

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Speaker 3: eight carries and five touchdowns.

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Speaker 1: And they've both played the same amount of games. Because

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Speaker 1: I think Rico missed that's.

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Speaker 3: Right, he missed one. Yeah, that's right. Mysterious illness.

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Speaker 1: So everybody I remember that, Yeah right, everybody with didn't

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Speaker 1: like the committee? Raise your hand now because you got

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Speaker 1: a thousand yard Russier And.

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Speaker 3: How many yards per carry does Dad'll have?

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Speaker 4: Do you have his stats in front of you?

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Speaker 5: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: I just closed it. We never closed a subject here, right,

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Speaker 2: You know that, bough You know.

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Speaker 3: That because out I mean, Pollard is at four point

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Speaker 3: three yards per tend Now it is apples and oranges

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Speaker 3: when you compare Tennessee. Does things freak those a certain way?

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Speaker 5: In the cow point seven?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yards are carried now he only has one rushing touchdown.

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Speaker 5: Pollard has seven. But they paid dearly for it, right.

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Speaker 3: Three years, three years, twenty four million is the total value.

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Speaker 5: So that average is eight million.

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Speaker 4: And eight million a year, and that was the going rate.

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Speaker 3: Basically, why did Derrick Henry get nine million a year

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Speaker 3: something like that in Tennessee?

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Speaker 1: And and and you know what, I finally looked up

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Speaker 1: Saquon and his was in that three year.

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Speaker 5: Thirty some whatever.

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Speaker 1: But the guarantees they've given him to reduce his cap

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Speaker 1: charge now the void year and I think the void

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Speaker 1: years like twenty twenty eight, twenty twenty nine, somewhere in

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Speaker 1: there is forty some million dollars.

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Speaker 4: They're going to pay the piper at some point at

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Speaker 4: some point.

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Speaker 1: Now, Now, if it pays off then and you win,

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Speaker 1: you say, okay, you know, do like the Rams. So

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Speaker 1: what we had, you know season the next year, but

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Speaker 1: we won the Super Bowl. So and they did AJ

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Speaker 1: Brown's contract the same way too. By the way, Philadelphia,

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00:36:22,680 --> 00:36:25,520
Speaker 1: there's going to be a huge payoff when he's done

673
00:36:25,800 --> 00:36:30,720
Speaker 1: for the voided year. So, however, you want to do business,

674
00:36:30,719 --> 00:36:35,360
Speaker 1: if it works, as as Parcells said, if it works,

675
00:36:35,520 --> 00:36:36,080
Speaker 1: it's right.

676
00:36:36,719 --> 00:36:37,680
Speaker 5: Does it you're wrong?

677
00:36:37,800 --> 00:36:40,719
Speaker 3: And as we've talked about before and as far as

678
00:36:40,719 --> 00:36:44,640
Speaker 3: these quarterback contracts, the key thing on the Dak contract

679
00:36:44,920 --> 00:36:49,600
Speaker 3: where it has a bigger cap hit for this team

680
00:36:50,040 --> 00:36:52,920
Speaker 3: than other teams that have signed quarterbacks in that same

681
00:36:53,160 --> 00:36:57,279
Speaker 3: range that those quarterbacks on their second contract. Dak on

682
00:36:57,360 --> 00:37:01,399
Speaker 3: his third contract, so you already had had money from

683
00:37:01,400 --> 00:37:05,720
Speaker 3: the second contract built into these extended years on Deck's deal,

684
00:37:06,239 --> 00:37:09,160
Speaker 3: and so it's counting more against the cap than what

685
00:37:09,680 --> 00:37:12,320
Speaker 3: a Jalen hurts in Philadelphia.

686
00:37:11,840 --> 00:37:16,200
Speaker 1: And he's another one at the end of that contract,

687
00:37:16,600 --> 00:37:21,400
Speaker 1: it's in the cap hit is astronomical. So they're hoping

688
00:37:21,440 --> 00:37:23,839
Speaker 1: they don't get there or he's been that.

689
00:37:23,960 --> 00:37:26,120
Speaker 3: Well, they'll be to a point we do with the

690
00:37:26,160 --> 00:37:29,000
Speaker 3: COT they'll be at a point where on his third contract,

691
00:37:29,040 --> 00:37:31,160
Speaker 3: they're going to be in the same salary cap situation

692
00:37:31,239 --> 00:37:32,399
Speaker 3: the Cowboys are in right.

693
00:37:32,320 --> 00:37:36,760
Speaker 1: Now, because no one's taken less, especially if you play well.

694
00:37:37,800 --> 00:37:39,840
Speaker 1: By the way, you know, we went over who the

695
00:37:39,840 --> 00:37:44,279
Speaker 1: Cowboys had to play this coming season. I went and

696
00:37:44,960 --> 00:37:48,319
Speaker 1: kind of looked everything up and did the records. So

697
00:37:48,600 --> 00:37:52,440
Speaker 1: they got to play ten games against teams with winning records,

698
00:37:53,080 --> 00:37:57,320
Speaker 1: and nine or ten of those games will be playoff

699
00:37:57,880 --> 00:38:03,319
Speaker 1: games against layoff teams this year. But if Arizona ends

700
00:38:03,400 --> 00:38:07,680
Speaker 1: up in third place in the in the West, their

701
00:38:08,520 --> 00:38:14,000
Speaker 1: strength of schedule will be zero point five four nine

702
00:38:14,880 --> 00:38:15,880
Speaker 1: winning percentage.

703
00:38:16,160 --> 00:38:17,839
Speaker 5: That would be the teams they have to.

704
00:38:17,800 --> 00:38:20,759
Speaker 1: Play, which is more than this year. Right now, it's

705
00:38:20,760 --> 00:38:24,240
Speaker 1: at five oh eight. So it doesn't get any easier

706
00:38:24,560 --> 00:38:27,960
Speaker 1: getting the third place schedule because of the two divisions

707
00:38:28,280 --> 00:38:29,160
Speaker 1: they have to play.

708
00:38:29,880 --> 00:38:35,160
Speaker 3: And again, can you remind us NFC North NFC North Okay,

709
00:38:35,200 --> 00:38:36,240
Speaker 3: that features.

710
00:38:35,880 --> 00:38:38,080
Speaker 1: Three right play Soda Green Bay.

711
00:38:37,960 --> 00:38:39,600
Speaker 4: Three playoff Bounty Chicago.

712
00:38:40,080 --> 00:38:43,319
Speaker 1: So those those four teams right now are forty two

713
00:38:43,400 --> 00:38:50,920
Speaker 1: and twenty one, and then the AFC West Kansas City Chargers, Denver,

714
00:38:51,160 --> 00:38:54,600
Speaker 1: which all could be playoff teams, and then the Raiders

715
00:38:54,640 --> 00:38:57,160
Speaker 1: and they're thirty seven and twenty seven right now.

716
00:38:57,800 --> 00:39:01,080
Speaker 3: So what you're saying is, in all likely hood, the

717
00:39:01,120 --> 00:39:08,359
Speaker 3: winner of the NFC East next year will be a

718
00:39:08,400 --> 00:39:11,800
Speaker 3: ten win team, nine ten win team because everyone everyone

719
00:39:11,840 --> 00:39:14,160
Speaker 3: has to play the same schedule virtually, right.

720
00:39:14,880 --> 00:39:15,000
Speaker 2: Uh.

721
00:39:15,320 --> 00:39:16,399
Speaker 4: And so we know.

722
00:39:16,320 --> 00:39:21,480
Speaker 3: Philadelphia is not winning the NFC East next year, so Dallas,

723
00:39:21,520 --> 00:39:27,439
Speaker 3: because no one ever repeats, no One last team, No,

724
00:39:27,800 --> 00:39:31,400
Speaker 3: we're talking twenty years, two thousand and four is the

725
00:39:31,440 --> 00:39:32,359
Speaker 3: last time we've had.

726
00:39:32,239 --> 00:39:34,080
Speaker 4: A WOW winner in the NFS.

727
00:39:35,520 --> 00:39:36,719
Speaker 5: That's good, it's amazing.

728
00:39:37,280 --> 00:39:38,680
Speaker 3: So all you got to do is get to ten

729
00:39:38,719 --> 00:39:41,320
Speaker 3: wins to win the NFC East next year, probably because

730
00:39:41,360 --> 00:39:44,719
Speaker 3: of the tough schedule ad and like it's the same

731
00:39:44,760 --> 00:39:45,279
Speaker 3: every year.

732
00:39:45,320 --> 00:39:51,520
Speaker 1: And then Philadelphia, what hap these guys, Well you got

733
00:39:51,520 --> 00:39:53,719
Speaker 1: to be awfully good to play that schedule, and that's

734
00:39:53,760 --> 00:39:55,239
Speaker 1: what happened to them this year too.

735
00:39:56,080 --> 00:39:58,480
Speaker 3: Do you think those teams will be just as good

736
00:39:58,520 --> 00:39:59,960
Speaker 3: next year as what they are this year?

737
00:40:00,880 --> 00:40:02,440
Speaker 4: Not all of them. No, they won't be.

738
00:40:02,640 --> 00:40:05,640
Speaker 1: They'll be in That's what injuries catch up with.

739
00:40:05,719 --> 00:40:09,360
Speaker 2: That's what the NFC, I mean, Philadelphia.

740
00:40:09,080 --> 00:40:12,360
Speaker 3: That's why this schedule formula is in existence to even

741
00:40:12,440 --> 00:40:13,000
Speaker 3: things out.

742
00:40:13,160 --> 00:40:17,200
Speaker 1: Now Philadelphia's got to play those same of course exactly conferences,

743
00:40:17,239 --> 00:40:21,040
Speaker 1: but they got to play the NFC West first place.

744
00:40:21,520 --> 00:40:23,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, which is what the Cowboys had to do this shi,

745
00:40:24,120 --> 00:40:24,520
Speaker 3: which is.

746
00:40:25,640 --> 00:40:32,600
Speaker 1: So that's the why am I blanking out for West?

747
00:40:33,239 --> 00:40:37,960
Speaker 1: The Rams, right, and then the NFC South, Not big deal, right,

748
00:40:38,040 --> 00:40:39,040
Speaker 1: it's Tampa.

749
00:40:38,719 --> 00:40:39,520
Speaker 4: Bay, Tampa Bay.

750
00:40:39,640 --> 00:40:42,759
Speaker 5: Right, Now, Cowboys get New Orleans and then the a

751
00:40:42,960 --> 00:40:43,279
Speaker 5: f C.

752
00:40:43,560 --> 00:40:47,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, well we don't do well. Yeah, that's just a pushover.

753
00:40:48,160 --> 00:40:53,120
Speaker 1: Believe you just passed over or beat them forty whatever.

754
00:40:53,840 --> 00:40:55,840
Speaker 1: And then they got to play first place in the

755
00:40:55,880 --> 00:40:59,640
Speaker 1: a f C East, which is Buffalo, So that's a

756
00:40:59,719 --> 00:41:02,600
Speaker 1: tough one. But the other two not that much different

757
00:41:02,640 --> 00:41:07,080
Speaker 1: than who you gotta play, especially when you got Detroit, Minnesota,

758
00:41:07,320 --> 00:41:12,799
Speaker 1: Green Bay, Kansas City Chargers, and probably Denver, although they've

759
00:41:12,800 --> 00:41:16,760
Speaker 1: got to win, and does somebody have to lose for Denver's.

760
00:41:16,960 --> 00:41:20,200
Speaker 3: Denver if Denver wins over Kansas City, which has nothing

761
00:41:20,239 --> 00:41:20,800
Speaker 3: to play.

762
00:41:20,560 --> 00:41:25,760
Speaker 1: For Denver's in which is a remarkable job by Sean Payton,

763
00:41:26,040 --> 00:41:28,440
Speaker 1: by the way, which, by the way, with a rookie quarterback.

764
00:41:28,760 --> 00:41:29,680
Speaker 4: How about Miami?

765
00:41:30,239 --> 00:41:31,000
Speaker 2: And you know why?

766
00:41:31,719 --> 00:41:35,960
Speaker 6: Defense, Defense, That's why this doesn't scare me.

767
00:41:36,120 --> 00:41:37,600
Speaker 2: Oh we gotta play, dude.

768
00:41:37,640 --> 00:41:40,480
Speaker 6: You put a good defense out there, you got a

769
00:41:40,640 --> 00:41:44,319
Speaker 6: chance every time. I don't care what your offense looks like.

770
00:41:44,600 --> 00:41:47,719
Speaker 6: I'm not just like my boy said, it's nothing. I've

771
00:41:47,760 --> 00:41:52,920
Speaker 6: heard something I've done. I've seen it happen. These guys

772
00:41:53,719 --> 00:41:57,680
Speaker 6: good teams. Yes, everybody talks about reputations. Yes, but if

773
00:41:57,680 --> 00:42:00,000
Speaker 6: you come up there and you do like Mike Tyson,

774
00:42:00,360 --> 00:42:03,080
Speaker 6: hit somebody in the mouth and see where that game play.

775
00:42:03,000 --> 00:42:06,720
Speaker 3: Goes, you know about along the lines to the defense,

776
00:42:06,760 --> 00:42:07,560
Speaker 3: Go ahead, Mackey.

777
00:42:07,480 --> 00:42:11,120
Speaker 1: I was going to say, to emphasize this point. In

778
00:42:11,160 --> 00:42:16,520
Speaker 1: two thousand and three, when the Cowboys got a wild

779
00:42:16,600 --> 00:42:21,319
Speaker 1: card berth somehow, somehow, some way, Bill Parcells first year, Yeah,

780
00:42:21,760 --> 00:42:24,840
Speaker 1: Quincy Carter was the quarterback. Yeah, Troy Hambrick was the

781
00:42:24,920 --> 00:42:25,480
Speaker 1: running back.

782
00:42:26,440 --> 00:42:26,560
Speaker 5: Uh.

783
00:42:27,120 --> 00:42:29,840
Speaker 1: And I think one of the leading receivers was Richie

784
00:42:29,920 --> 00:42:41,160
Speaker 1: Anderson the fullback. Think about it, I let that sink in.

785
00:42:39,440 --> 00:42:40,680
Speaker 5: The defense.

786
00:42:43,040 --> 00:42:47,399
Speaker 1: Third against the run, first against the past number one

787
00:42:47,560 --> 00:42:49,800
Speaker 1: defense thanks to Mike Zimmer.

788
00:42:49,880 --> 00:42:52,400
Speaker 3: I was going to say, who is the defensive coordinator

789
00:42:52,400 --> 00:42:55,400
Speaker 3: by Zimmer and by which leads me perfectly into what

790
00:42:55,480 --> 00:42:56,480
Speaker 3: I was about to say.

791
00:42:57,320 --> 00:42:59,160
Speaker 4: I think one.

792
00:42:59,000 --> 00:43:02,000
Speaker 3: Coach for sure that Jerry Jones would like to bring

793
00:43:02,080 --> 00:43:03,320
Speaker 3: back is Mike Simmer.

794
00:43:03,520 --> 00:43:08,080
Speaker 1: Yes, and I think it'll come down to did he

795
00:43:08,239 --> 00:43:12,200
Speaker 1: enjoy this? Does he want to continue to coach?

796
00:43:12,320 --> 00:43:13,680
Speaker 5: I think you and.

797
00:43:16,040 --> 00:43:17,759
Speaker 2: I don't think he's been through a season like this.

798
00:43:17,680 --> 00:43:19,239
Speaker 5: But I'm hoping I can get through this.

799
00:43:19,400 --> 00:43:23,160
Speaker 1: It was pretty emotional just yesterday Zim as well as

800
00:43:23,200 --> 00:43:26,760
Speaker 1: he did and he said they asked him about coming back,

801
00:43:26,880 --> 00:43:29,640
Speaker 1: and he said, well, one of the things I did

802
00:43:30,040 --> 00:43:34,680
Speaker 1: I did it for my son. Yeah, Adam passed away

803
00:43:34,680 --> 00:43:35,279
Speaker 1: two years ago.

804
00:43:35,320 --> 00:43:38,640
Speaker 3: Couple of years of October twenty two reached out to

805
00:43:38,680 --> 00:43:43,360
Speaker 3: him and Adam, and then Adam had coached with his dad,

806
00:43:44,200 --> 00:43:47,439
Speaker 3: starting in Cincinnati and then with all throughout the time

807
00:43:47,440 --> 00:43:51,440
Speaker 3: at Minnesota and had been growing up here. I mean,

808
00:43:51,640 --> 00:43:53,880
Speaker 3: Adam was thirty eight years old when he passed away,

809
00:43:55,160 --> 00:43:57,120
Speaker 3: and so he grew up here, went to Colinville, heretage,

810
00:43:57,120 --> 00:43:59,960
Speaker 3: and he was on the Cowboys sideline or sudden passing.

811
00:44:02,400 --> 00:44:03,160
Speaker 5: And then and.

812
00:44:03,120 --> 00:44:06,640
Speaker 1: Then somebody had to ask a follow up question, well

813
00:44:06,640 --> 00:44:09,480
Speaker 1: why did this meet so much to you by your son,

814
00:44:09,760 --> 00:44:14,359
Speaker 1: And he got pretty emotional talking about, well, he would

815
00:44:14,360 --> 00:44:15,440
Speaker 1: have been here with me.

816
00:44:16,080 --> 00:44:16,919
Speaker 2: Did he make it through?

817
00:44:17,880 --> 00:44:20,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, he did, and he was great talking about it,

818
00:44:20,160 --> 00:44:22,279
Speaker 3: And I thought it. I thought it was really We

819
00:44:22,400 --> 00:44:25,760
Speaker 3: used it last night on the news because it really

820
00:44:25,840 --> 00:44:29,600
Speaker 3: showed people didn't didn't realize what has gone on. And

821
00:44:29,760 --> 00:44:33,160
Speaker 3: of course Mike's life going back to his his his

822
00:44:33,200 --> 00:44:37,000
Speaker 3: wife fifteen years ago sudden passing when he was an

823
00:44:37,040 --> 00:44:38,520
Speaker 3: assistant coach at Cincinnati.

824
00:44:38,800 --> 00:44:39,080
Speaker 2: Wow.

825
00:44:39,520 --> 00:44:42,719
Speaker 3: Uh, And but he was I thought he said it

826
00:44:42,800 --> 00:44:46,839
Speaker 3: beautifully about how he needed to get back on.

827
00:44:46,719 --> 00:44:47,800
Speaker 4: The field this season.

828
00:44:48,840 --> 00:44:52,040
Speaker 3: He's been coping with his son's death for two years now.

829
00:44:52,200 --> 00:44:53,960
Speaker 4: And uh, and how.

830
00:44:55,560 --> 00:44:58,040
Speaker 3: He've talked about the season opener in Cleveland, how being

831
00:44:58,239 --> 00:45:01,160
Speaker 3: back on the field and just being in that environment

832
00:45:01,320 --> 00:45:04,680
Speaker 3: and people even from the other team coming up to him,

833
00:45:05,040 --> 00:45:07,640
Speaker 3: staff members saying how great it is to see him back,

834
00:45:07,760 --> 00:45:13,240
Speaker 3: and then going through the season, and he talked about

835
00:45:13,320 --> 00:45:16,759
Speaker 3: how Adam loved the Cowboys. You know, when Adam was

836
00:45:16,760 --> 00:45:20,880
Speaker 3: a kid, Adam was a kid. You know, Zim came before,

837
00:45:21,719 --> 00:45:24,359
Speaker 3: and so Adam would have been ten years old then,

838
00:45:24,960 --> 00:45:27,560
Speaker 3: and so as a kid, as a teenager, you know,

839
00:45:27,600 --> 00:45:30,279
Speaker 3: he was always around, you know, on the sideline that

840
00:45:30,360 --> 00:45:33,320
Speaker 3: training camp whatever. Even when the Cowboys were in training

841
00:45:33,360 --> 00:45:37,640
Speaker 3: camp in San Antonio, he was in school at Trinity University, hanging.

842
00:45:37,400 --> 00:45:38,200
Speaker 4: Around down there.

843
00:45:38,320 --> 00:45:43,880
Speaker 3: And I thought it was beautiful the way Mike talked

844
00:45:43,880 --> 00:45:47,640
Speaker 3: about it, and he got emotional talking about it, and

845
00:45:47,640 --> 00:45:48,319
Speaker 3: I thought it was.

846
00:45:48,480 --> 00:45:51,319
Speaker 1: Just kind of finished, just in time, because yeah, he

847
00:45:51,480 --> 00:45:55,719
Speaker 1: got and I was right there with him because I

848
00:45:55,800 --> 00:46:01,000
Speaker 1: knew Adam, you know, knew his wife, his whole story.

849
00:46:02,640 --> 00:46:07,880
Speaker 1: Because after the two thousand and six season, Parcells wasn't

850
00:46:07,960 --> 00:46:12,640
Speaker 1: sure if he was coming back, and Mike's contract was up,

851
00:46:13,520 --> 00:46:16,600
Speaker 1: and he got an offer to go to Atlanta with

852
00:46:19,680 --> 00:46:23,040
Speaker 1: the coach that used to be at Louisville ended.

853
00:46:22,880 --> 00:46:23,720
Speaker 4: Up Bobby Petrino.

854
00:46:23,840 --> 00:46:27,840
Speaker 1: Patrino, and Petrino had offered the job as the defensive

855
00:46:27,880 --> 00:46:32,000
Speaker 1: coordinat so he had to decide do I take what

856
00:46:32,160 --> 00:46:34,359
Speaker 1: I know or do I stay here and see what

857
00:46:34,480 --> 00:46:37,640
Speaker 1: Parcell's going to do, because he might have had a

858
00:46:37,760 --> 00:46:41,319
Speaker 1: chance to be the head coach here because he had

859
00:46:41,360 --> 00:46:45,800
Speaker 1: gotten interviewed the year before by Nebraska and he didn't

860
00:46:46,080 --> 00:46:48,200
Speaker 1: like the way it looked and he turned it down.

861
00:46:48,760 --> 00:46:50,719
Speaker 5: So he goes to Atlanta.

862
00:46:51,000 --> 00:46:54,760
Speaker 1: Patrino, I don't know, four games left in the season,

863
00:46:54,880 --> 00:46:59,520
Speaker 1: quit to go to Arkansas. He was weird and unless

864
00:46:59,600 --> 00:47:03,280
Speaker 1: his whole staff that he hired there.

865
00:47:02,800 --> 00:47:04,360
Speaker 2: You know, the motorcycle rider.

866
00:47:04,520 --> 00:47:10,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, and so he goes to Cincinnati next and I

867
00:47:10,160 --> 00:47:15,640
Speaker 1: think they had to play Atlanta like that season and

868
00:47:15,800 --> 00:47:18,839
Speaker 1: somebody asked him about his experience it Atlanta.

869
00:47:19,200 --> 00:47:20,960
Speaker 5: Oh, look it up online.

870
00:47:21,320 --> 00:47:27,600
Speaker 1: He went off on Patrino like you never in whatever

871
00:47:27,800 --> 00:47:30,520
Speaker 1: machine you guys have to bleep the words out.

872
00:47:31,719 --> 00:47:34,320
Speaker 5: It would have run out of bleeps. I swear to

873
00:47:35,160 --> 00:47:36,920
Speaker 5: he just unloaded.

874
00:47:37,280 --> 00:47:38,719
Speaker 2: Well before we I know, we gotta go.

875
00:47:38,800 --> 00:47:42,759
Speaker 6: But uh, there are times when you get an apology

876
00:47:43,200 --> 00:47:46,319
Speaker 6: or you get to release something, let it out.

877
00:47:46,719 --> 00:47:47,799
Speaker 2: Sometimes you feel better.

878
00:47:48,520 --> 00:47:50,319
Speaker 6: Sometimes you feel bad, as much as you might want

879
00:47:50,360 --> 00:47:52,440
Speaker 6: to hold it in, and you think you're holding in

880
00:47:52,480 --> 00:47:53,600
Speaker 6: for your own sake and.

881
00:47:53,760 --> 00:47:55,239
Speaker 2: Don't want to involve anybody else.

882
00:47:55,440 --> 00:47:58,080
Speaker 6: When you let it out, sometimes it feels good, and

883
00:47:58,160 --> 00:48:00,480
Speaker 6: you'd be surprised about how good it. I had a

884
00:48:00,520 --> 00:48:03,800
Speaker 6: guy apologize to me one day about something that happened

885
00:48:03,920 --> 00:48:07,040
Speaker 6: a long time ago, and man, I told him it

886
00:48:07,080 --> 00:48:07,600
Speaker 6: was all good.

887
00:48:07,640 --> 00:48:10,840
Speaker 2: But as I started thinking about it, I felt better.

888
00:48:11,400 --> 00:48:12,480
Speaker 2: I felt better.

889
00:48:12,239 --> 00:48:15,520
Speaker 6: Because he apologized, and you let it go, Yes, I did.

890
00:48:16,200 --> 00:48:18,759
Speaker 2: I had already let it go, but the fact that.

891
00:48:18,880 --> 00:48:21,399
Speaker 6: He apologized to me, I had let it go without

892
00:48:21,440 --> 00:48:23,759
Speaker 6: him apologizing, but then he apologized, and.

893
00:48:23,719 --> 00:48:26,279
Speaker 2: I was like, nah, man, don't worry about it. And

894
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Speaker 2: I didn't realize how good I felt. I did not

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Speaker 2: realize how good that out there felt. Some sure them

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Speaker 2: it felt the same way.

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Speaker 1: And I think when we resume on Thursday, we can

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Speaker 1: talk more about the assistant coaches, talking about their unknown

899
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Speaker 1: of not knowing where you're going. I thought all of them,

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Speaker 1: or John Fossil. John Fossil was really good at it

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00:48:48,400 --> 00:48:52,520
Speaker 1: because he grew up in that situation with his dad right.

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Speaker 1: I think he told me he he'd lived twelve different

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Speaker 1: places as a kid growing up, dad chasing the coaching

904
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Speaker 1: and how how tough it is. You don't get immune

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Speaker 1: to it, but you kind of know how to deal

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Speaker 1: with it. And I think all the guys were really

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Speaker 1: good talking about that.

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Speaker 2: Anybody heard anything about al Harris being.

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Speaker 3: How somebody should He's always, he's always, he's gonna.

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Speaker 1: He's a defensive coordinator and no.

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Speaker 3: Matter what happens here, he's getting he'll land, uh safely

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Speaker 3: somewhere and in a good place. But I would think

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Speaker 3: he's a good chance he will still be here if

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Speaker 3: they keep you know.

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Speaker 5: That that would be a priority if I was coming.

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Speaker 3: And that all the factors into it, I think, the

917
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Speaker 3: whole the whole coaching staff, and when when they're all

918
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Speaker 3: up to your point from earlier, uh and why you

919
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Speaker 3: in a just in a general sense, I feel like

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Speaker 3: that keeping that continuity is important.

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Speaker 6: You know, Uh, you can teach these young no name

922
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Speaker 6: guys and no disrespect to them, they just people don't

923
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Speaker 6: know them. But if you can teach guys with this

924
00:50:02,280 --> 00:50:05,800
Speaker 6: little experience and you get guys who have been here

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Speaker 6: that realize I got to step up and play better.

926
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Speaker 6: Olsa being one of those guys you know, it just

927
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Speaker 6: gives you pause, it does. It gives you a little

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Speaker 6: bit of an optimism.

929
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Speaker 1: But when we come back on Thursday, you're gonna have

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Speaker 1: to talk about playing for Ernie Startner.

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Speaker 2: Oh cool, cool, I'm ready.

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Speaker 3: I'm ready, all right, So happy New Year everybody, and

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Speaker 3: we won't be.

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Speaker 4: Here tomorrow, but we will be here on Thursday.

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Speaker 5: This season, it's not done yet.

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Speaker 4: I Noon twenty twenty five is straight ahead.

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Speaker 2: Go Cowboys.

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