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Speaker 1: This is straight Fire with Jason McIntyre.

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Speaker 2: What is up, Drake Fire, fam, It's me Jason McIntyre.

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Speaker 2: Straight Fire for Friday, February twenty eight. The month has

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Speaker 2: come to an end. March is upon us. I know

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Speaker 2: you're excited. I'm excited for March Madness. Now it's time

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Speaker 2: to you know, be able to name more than Cooper

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Speaker 2: Flag in the college basketball ranks. You know we're gonna

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Speaker 2: We've done a lot of Lakers stuff this week, you know,

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Speaker 2: coming off the vacation and obviously the Big Game Tuesday

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Speaker 2: previewing it talked about Lakers with Bucker. So we'll save

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Speaker 2: Lakers for a little bit later and open with the big, big,

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Speaker 2: huge seismic matchup in the East, Celtics Calves. It is

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Speaker 2: a big one tonight. I still believe the Celtics are

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Speaker 2: the best team. The Calves have been the better team

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Speaker 2: this regular season. But again that doesn't mean a whole

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Speaker 2: hell of a lot. This is where it gets interest

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Speaker 2: and it's this is what makes the NBA so utterly

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Speaker 2: fascinating is these side stories, these subplots that emerge, and

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Speaker 2: you know we're already on words. Kevin Durant gonna play

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Speaker 2: next year, what's up with Paul George next year? And now,

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Speaker 2: because those are the two big horses, we're at the

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Speaker 2: face of the NBA discussion. It's like you could set

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Speaker 2: your clockvy February. What are we gonna talk about? Oh,

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Speaker 2: All Star Game sucks, ratings down? Who's the face of

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Speaker 2: the league? Lebron is old step sold you know, it's

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Speaker 2: all this normal stuff. But Jason Tatum, the great Jason Tatum,

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Speaker 2: who I will remind everybody for the Celtics led them

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Speaker 2: playoff run. He was phenomenal. I know Jylen Brown got MVP.

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Speaker 2: That's fine. I don't care. You know, Jalen Brown's a

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Speaker 2: very nice player. Jason Tatum is the better player than

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Speaker 2: Jalen Brown, period. I mean it's not I don't think

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Speaker 2: it's a huge gap. Tatum's better. But what's really interesting

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Speaker 2: is he was kind of sort of benched in the Olympics.

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Speaker 2: Is in a tough spot. You know, Kadie the veteran,

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Speaker 2: makes it tough to get minutes. And then you look

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Speaker 2: around the league and who was it was it Patrick Beverly.

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Speaker 2: Somebody was disrespecting Tatum. He's not very good. And then

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Speaker 2: Rob g found a recent interview where his trainer, who

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Speaker 2: was a guest from the Pot I think two years ago,

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Speaker 2: Drew Hanlan, maybe it was last year, Drew Handlin, excellent guest,

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Speaker 2: you know, said Tatum's gonna be one of the all

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Speaker 2: time greats. And this is what's funny, Guys. If you

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Speaker 2: look at the numbers for a guy like Luca and

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Speaker 2: a guy like Tatum in their first five six years

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Speaker 2: And then you look at playoff success and you're like, oh,

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Speaker 2: damn wait, Jason Tatum's been to wait the finals, the

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Speaker 2: conference finals, Like, how what's he doing? Like we forget

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Speaker 2: guys the likes of Michael Jordan, Carl Malowe. These guys

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Speaker 2: couldn't do. The guys in the nineties, guys that you love,

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Speaker 2: Kobe Bryant all the air balls. He was thrown up

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Speaker 2: as a young guy, like a lot of guys started

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Speaker 2: top of the class. Do you remember when he dunked on

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Speaker 2: but it was like, oh, Jason Tatum is here. I mean,

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Speaker 2: I had them winning a title in one of my

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Speaker 2: fifteen brackets. But you know, Tatum is kind of a

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Speaker 2: superstar in my mind. A lot of people don't say

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Speaker 2: he's a top five player. I have him is definitely

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Speaker 2: top five. And then as Trader comes out and is

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Speaker 2: saying nice stuff about him, and of course there's a

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Speaker 2: lot of pushback, and then Jason Tatum spoke and Rob

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Speaker 2: g found this quote that I was kind of bewildered by. Rob.

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Speaker 2: You want to read the quote for us? Sure?

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Speaker 3: So JT caught up with Michael Lee of the Washington Post,

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Speaker 3: longtime rider there, and he was asked if he feels

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Speaker 3: like he's properly appreciated in NBA circles. Here's what Tatam said, quote, Honestly, no,

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Speaker 3: if you took the name and the face away from

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Speaker 3: all my accomplishments and you're just like, this is what

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Speaker 2: I mean, Rob that that's crazy his numbers. So in

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Speaker 2: The guy's putting up by twenty six to thirty points

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Speaker 2: have is the sizzle and Rob. I you know, I

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Speaker 2: different than any other sports culture that swag and showing

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Speaker 2: back to Alan Iverson, right, Alan Iverson, I mean he

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Speaker 2: was an awesome player, obviously went to the finals once,

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Speaker 2: people tried to put Allen Iverson as one of the best,

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Speaker 2: he tried so hard, Like people love Russell Wills, Russell Westbrook.

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Speaker 2: It is very strange like Anthony Edwards is being talked

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Speaker 2: Edwards dunks on, people talks trash, curses in interviews, has

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Speaker 2: basketball culture rewards these guys who were peacockying and celebrating

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Speaker 2: opposed to Tatum, who's just kind of a quiet superstar,

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Speaker 2: puts up massive numbers, goes to the playoffs every year.

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Speaker 2: I mean, look at Tatum. The last three years played

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Speaker 2: I mean, that's like another season for most players, that's

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Speaker 2: it's kind of dumb and annoying. But it is interesting.

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Speaker 2: If you look at Magic and Larry, you know they

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Speaker 2: so weird that a superstar, a legit superstar like Jason Tatum,

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Speaker 2: doesn't really get the love that he should. It stinks,

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Speaker 2: but it's the NBA culture.

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Speaker 2: I will say Rob, the one guy who kind of

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Speaker 2: but he's got thirty five foot three pointers. He a

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Speaker 2: flurry of threes. He makes impossible shots. He's got a

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Speaker 2: no flash, no sizzle, all time leader in assists, all

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Speaker 2: Like can you be successful by just scoring and winning

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Speaker 2: does that even work anymore? And we're a weird, you

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Speaker 2: know point in the NBA, where again, culture has taken

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Speaker 2: so I don't know, Rob, it's a little disappointing. I

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Speaker 2: maintain that the league right now, the top five guys

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Speaker 2: unequivocally Luca Weemin, Yama, Jokic, Giannis, and I have Jason

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Speaker 2: But I think Jason Tatum right now, I would take

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Speaker 2: Jason Tatum right now over Lebron, you know, as my one.

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Speaker 2: You know, if you're picking your like number three guy, well,

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Speaker 2: doesn't really struggle at all. He puts up massive numbers.

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Speaker 2: I know, he plays a lot of minutes and he's

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Speaker 2: on a winning team. But guy's a superstar. Rob.

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Speaker 3: Jmack, you are so right. You can't turn left right

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Speaker 3: now like you would just tip over. Everything you said

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Speaker 3: was one hundred percent accurate. And I want to throw

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Speaker 3: some names and some numbers at you, just to put

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Speaker 3: in perspective what Jason Tatum has done in his NBA career.

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Speaker 3: And again, I am a through and through Purple and

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Speaker 3: Gold Laker fan. If anyone is supposed to hate Jason Tatum, it's.

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Speaker 2: Me, all right, Yeah, that's you.

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Speaker 3: That's me SGA, who by all account is gonna win

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Speaker 3: the NBA MVP this year in a runaway landslide. I

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Speaker 3: know SGA is kind of only recently burst on the scene.

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Speaker 3: He is already to twenty six years old. At the

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Speaker 3: end of this season, he'll be a three time All Star,

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Speaker 3: a three time first team All NBA, and to be

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Speaker 3: determined in the postseason. Okay, Jason Tatum, depending on how

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Speaker 3: these playoffs shakes out, at twenty six, will be a

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Speaker 3: NBA champion, six time All Star, four time first Team

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Speaker 3: All NBA, one time third team All NBA. And if

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Speaker 3: you don't want to just bring up the Championship. He's

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Speaker 3: been to the Eastern Conference finals five times. He will

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Speaker 3: have been to the finals twice.

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Speaker 2: How many conference finals trips for SGA that'll be zero?

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Speaker 2: Oh interesting? Okay? And then the other one.

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Speaker 3: And this one's gonna blow your mind, especially because I

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Speaker 3: know this is your guy, Luca Donches.

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Speaker 2: I think Luca's great.

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Speaker 3: I think Luca at worst is the third best player

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Speaker 3: in the league. You have number one.

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Speaker 2: We can argue semantics at that point.

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Speaker 3: Luca, when this season is over, entering the playoffs at

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Speaker 3: age twenty six, will be five time All Star, five

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Speaker 3: time First Team All NBA. He have made the finals once,

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Speaker 3: made the Western Finals once. As great as Luca is

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Speaker 3: and he is phenomenal. If I'm just comparing resumes, Tatum's

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Speaker 3: Jason Tatum will have as many first Team All NBA

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Speaker 3: You can't just dismiss that. You opened up the rant

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Speaker 3: Like you can't just say, well, if if if Athony

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Speaker 3: You want to play in an up temple, We're gonna

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Speaker 2: It would be remiss if we did not mention the

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Speaker 2: I love that movie. But Gene Hackman's Hoosiers is considered

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Speaker 2: of the players come in and he's like, oh boy,

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna have to clean this shit up and instantly

427
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Speaker 2: kicking guys out who are goofing off and I just,

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Speaker 2: you know, as a guy who coaches his kids. And

429
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Speaker 2: you know, I don't know if I mentioned this on

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Speaker 2: the pod, but I did get offered a high school

431
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Speaker 2: basketball coaching job not far here. We go about a

432
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Speaker 2: year ago, well maybe like eight months ago, and I

433
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Speaker 2: briefly entertained it. But I don't even have kids in

434
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Speaker 2: high school, So what's the point. I just love hoops

435
00:22:25,359 --> 00:22:28,199
Speaker 2: and watching Hackman the way he does that in some

436
00:22:28,240 --> 00:22:30,040
Speaker 2: of the drills that he did. I'm not gonna lie.

437
00:22:30,040 --> 00:22:32,600
Speaker 2: When my kids were I don't know, third grade, I

438
00:22:32,640 --> 00:22:35,280
Speaker 2: would set up chairs on the basketball court and they'd

439
00:22:35,280 --> 00:22:36,879
Speaker 2: have to dribble around them and go in for the layup.

440
00:22:36,920 --> 00:22:38,760
Speaker 2: Not just straight layups, you have to go around the

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Speaker 2: chairs like in Hoosiers now Rob. I know some people

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Speaker 2: push back on like Hoosiers, Rudy, these like eighties sports

443
00:22:45,119 --> 00:22:48,960
Speaker 2: movies that feel like they're in the sixties. People think

444
00:22:48,960 --> 00:22:52,720
Speaker 2: they're a little overrated. I like Hoosiers. I think it's

445
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Speaker 2: really good.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I do too, and quickly, I don't want to

447
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Speaker 3: be remissry to bring this up. I would love to

448
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Speaker 3: see you be the next Guylie, but I think you

449
00:23:00,080 --> 00:23:03,760
Speaker 3: can win. I think you could I think you would

450
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Speaker 3: have more success.

451
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Speaker 2: They the college guys respect Doug because he obviously, you know,

452
00:23:10,800 --> 00:23:12,880
Speaker 2: played at a super high level. Me, I just love

453
00:23:12,920 --> 00:23:16,280
Speaker 2: hoops and it's it's so funny. Somebody, Damn, I can't

454
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Speaker 2: believe I'm saying this. So there's this significant basketball tournament

455
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Speaker 2: in our area that I'd never heard of for youth sports,

456
00:23:26,840 --> 00:23:29,000
Speaker 2: and they're like, no club teams allowed, but you can

457
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Speaker 2: field your own team and bring it to the tournament.

458
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Speaker 2: And so I read this. They sent it to me

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Speaker 2: because I'm like the commissioner of a league, and I

460
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Speaker 2: was like, holy cow, this could be so fun. So

461
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Speaker 2: we're actually putting together a team to enter this. It's

462
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Speaker 2: like the fiftieth anniversary of some tournament. Now we could

463
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Speaker 2: get smoked, and you know me, I don't really like losing.

464
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Speaker 2: So we are, shall we say, recruiting somehow some good

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Speaker 2: young girls basketball players that my daughter knows. So but anyway,

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Speaker 2: it's like I love coaching. I highly recommend the Gene

467
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Speaker 2: Hackman movie Hoo's Yours. I consider it a Gene Hackman movie,

468
00:24:03,160 --> 00:24:03,760
Speaker 2: that's fair to say.

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Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, Hoosiers is one of those movies where, like

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Speaker 3: you said, there are there is some slow build in

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Speaker 3: that movie and let's be honest, right and that and

472
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Speaker 3: that's not unusual for movies made at that time because

473
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Speaker 3: it was nons of a sports movie. It's more of

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Speaker 3: a story, right like. That's that's what those movies were

475
00:24:21,520 --> 00:24:23,320
Speaker 3: like than when they were made back then. It's not

476
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Speaker 3: like what you would see today where the sport is

477
00:24:26,760 --> 00:24:28,800
Speaker 3: the highlight, right like that. That's kind of what we've

478
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Speaker 3: morphed into with movies like you know, Creed and some

479
00:24:32,640 --> 00:24:36,520
Speaker 3: of these other ones like that and for boxing, yeah, Hoosiers,

480
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Speaker 3: And we were texting back and forth.

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Speaker 2: I don't know if we're gonna have time to do this, but.

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Speaker 3: As great as it is, and it's a beloved film,

483
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Speaker 3: and I don't want to bash Gene Hackman on his

484
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Speaker 3: deathbed because Gene Hackman is one of the greatest enemy

485
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Speaker 3: of the stay as you mentioned, is a phenomenal movie

486
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Speaker 3: underrated by the way Heartbreakers with him and Jennifer Love

487
00:24:53,880 --> 00:24:54,920
Speaker 3: hewittt that.

488
00:24:54,880 --> 00:24:58,800
Speaker 2: Way Jennifer Love Hewett and anything. Yes, great, great Janie Hackmen.

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Speaker 3: It's funny place like a a tobacco tycoon and he's

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Speaker 3: talking to a movie. But I must say, and maybe

491
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Speaker 3: it's I'm showing my age on this one. I don't

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Speaker 3: know if Hoosier is in my top five of basketball

493
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Speaker 3: movies of all time.

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Speaker 2: Okay, let's hear him.

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Speaker 3: Okay, so the top three without having to think about

496
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Speaker 3: it in no order. He got game that's good above

497
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Speaker 3: the rim, white men can't jump that.

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Speaker 2: That's that's I can't I can't find anything other than

499
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Speaker 2: those three. What about Coach Carter?

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Speaker 3: That would that's one that's in the mystry. Like after that,

501
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Speaker 3: I go, okay, I got coach Coach Carter's there. I

502
00:25:36,040 --> 00:25:37,800
Speaker 3: don't know if you remember the movie The Sixth Man

503
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Speaker 3: with Marlon Wayne's is a college basketball and his brother

504
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Speaker 3: dies and he plays as a ghost, and.

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Speaker 2: Then if my god, there's no way that's better than

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Speaker 2: it's a fun Okay, we'll fly that away. The way

507
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Speaker 2: his brothers shout out to those guys are good blue

508
00:25:52,359 --> 00:25:57,440
Speaker 2: chips show. Okay, now that's good. Nick nick nolty, right, Nicky.

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Speaker 3: And then depending if you view it as a basketball

510
00:26:00,600 --> 00:26:02,360
Speaker 3: movie or if you view it as like a romantic

511
00:26:02,400 --> 00:26:04,920
Speaker 3: love story, love in basketball is a good movie.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's good. That's I don't know that that's better

513
00:26:08,600 --> 00:26:12,840
Speaker 2: than Hoosiers. Just the the warmth of who dealing with

514
00:26:12,840 --> 00:26:14,680
Speaker 2: all this stuff. I thought that was great. Now it's

515
00:26:14,720 --> 00:26:16,840
Speaker 2: funny I mentioned coach Carter. I showed that to my kids.

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Speaker 2: They really liked it. It had good subplots, better ones,

517
00:26:19,880 --> 00:26:22,400
Speaker 2: you know, the kids trusted at a party, the shooting,

518
00:26:22,880 --> 00:26:25,359
Speaker 2: all the bad stuff. But the basketball was kind of

519
00:26:25,400 --> 00:26:28,840
Speaker 2: good in it. That a young Channing Tatum. That's right. Yeah, no,

520
00:26:28,920 --> 00:26:31,120
Speaker 2: that's a good good call by So Hoosiers doesn't crack

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Speaker 2: your top five. Interesting.

522
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Speaker 3: So if we say, like if we mentioned coach Carter,

523
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Speaker 3: he got game above the ram, blue chips, white man

524
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Speaker 3: can jump, then that's five right there.

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Speaker 2: Hoosiers has to be in there. I will remove above

526
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Speaker 2: the room because is that Tupac. That is Tupac Tupac

527
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Speaker 2: Leon Duayanne Martin. I don't know who Leon is. You

528
00:26:48,600 --> 00:26:52,880
Speaker 2: don't know cool runnings Leon? No, I don't. Oh my god.

529
00:26:53,480 --> 00:26:54,119
Speaker 2: We will get.

530
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Speaker 3: Leon on the show because he knows you. He's actually

531
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Speaker 3: a friend of mine. He is one of the most

532
00:26:59,119 --> 00:27:03,080
Speaker 3: dedicated and fans in the world. Like he goes to

533
00:27:03,200 --> 00:27:06,399
Speaker 3: almost all the games. He's always sitting there with Spike

534
00:27:06,480 --> 00:27:08,720
Speaker 3: and Tracy Morgan. He's like in the third fourth row

535
00:27:09,640 --> 00:27:14,240
Speaker 3: and based on my conversation with him, he can legitimately ball.

536
00:27:15,080 --> 00:27:17,479
Speaker 3: So when they were filming above the rim, like you know,

537
00:27:17,520 --> 00:27:18,640
Speaker 3: when he's wearing the quarturoy.

538
00:27:18,760 --> 00:27:20,560
Speaker 2: Oh dude, I think he came on the podcast like

539
00:27:20,600 --> 00:27:21,320
Speaker 2: a couple of years ago.

540
00:27:21,440 --> 00:27:24,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, like he can legitimately play ball. So if we

541
00:27:24,520 --> 00:27:26,119
Speaker 3: want to get him on again and just talk about

542
00:27:26,119 --> 00:27:28,360
Speaker 3: your knicks before we flame out in the postseason because

543
00:27:28,359 --> 00:27:30,399
Speaker 3: I picked the next to win the championship, you know,

544
00:27:30,440 --> 00:27:31,480
Speaker 3: it might not be a bad idea.

545
00:27:32,080 --> 00:27:34,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, not a bad idea. All right, Well, that takes

546
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Speaker 2: us another weekend. We will come back Monday with some

547
00:27:37,480 --> 00:27:42,520
Speaker 2: very spicy Combine takes. I can't wait. Combine probably a

548
00:27:42,520 --> 00:27:44,280
Speaker 2: lot of the weekend. You know, I got kids sports

549
00:27:44,320 --> 00:27:48,080
Speaker 2: as usual and marches upon us. Gosh, I'm so excited.

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Speaker 2: All right, talk to you that