1 00:00:01,240 --> 00:00:05,920 Speaker 1: On Bloomberg Government. What are the political reality the president 2 00:00:05,960 --> 00:00:08,520 Speaker 1: has increasingly frustrated. I want to try to cut through 3 00:00:08,520 --> 00:00:11,960 Speaker 1: the noise politically. This is devastating. Sound on with Kevin, 4 00:00:12,560 --> 00:00:16,799 Speaker 1: the insiders, the influencers, insiders. It is no secret that 5 00:00:16,840 --> 00:00:19,439 Speaker 1: I care a lot about the consumers. There are real 6 00:00:19,560 --> 00:00:22,680 Speaker 1: questions about Dine. We still have more leverage to me, 7 00:00:22,720 --> 00:00:24,599 Speaker 1: as rickets harraffs. I think we could do with a 8 00:00:24,600 --> 00:00:27,880 Speaker 1: little less drama from the White He is sound on 9 00:00:28,080 --> 00:00:32,280 Speaker 1: with Kevin's really on Bloomberg one and one oh five 10 00:00:32,320 --> 00:00:35,279 Speaker 1: point seven a m h D two Volsom all they 11 00:00:35,320 --> 00:00:38,600 Speaker 1: got a deal, well, a three week deal and no 12 00:00:38,920 --> 00:00:43,800 Speaker 1: down payment for the wall. What that means for President Trump? 13 00:00:43,840 --> 00:00:47,879 Speaker 1: As lawmakers up on Capitol Hill right now moving the 14 00:00:47,960 --> 00:00:51,240 Speaker 1: legislation through, getting it through it should be on President 15 00:00:51,280 --> 00:00:55,560 Speaker 1: Trump's desk, if not tonight, then tomorrow. But a three 16 00:00:55,560 --> 00:00:58,880 Speaker 1: week deal, the government's going to be open until February 17 00:00:59,080 --> 00:01:00,600 Speaker 1: and then they're gonna have to go through all of 18 00:01:00,600 --> 00:01:06,360 Speaker 1: this all over again. Plus Roger Stone, he got indicted 19 00:01:06,400 --> 00:01:11,760 Speaker 1: this morning. And now well Mueller gets closer to the 20 00:01:11,760 --> 00:01:14,119 Speaker 1: White House or does he. We have all star deest today. 21 00:01:14,160 --> 00:01:19,360 Speaker 1: Michael Caputo the former presidential campaign advisor to Donald Trump 22 00:01:19,400 --> 00:01:22,200 Speaker 1: and a close friend of Roger Stone. He's going to 23 00:01:22,240 --> 00:01:25,280 Speaker 1: be on the line. And Tom Steyer, the billionaire Democrat, 24 00:01:25,440 --> 00:01:28,679 Speaker 1: on why he thinks Democrats need to focus on the 25 00:01:28,760 --> 00:01:32,600 Speaker 1: need to impeach Trump. Is that risky business heading into 26 00:01:32,600 --> 00:01:37,080 Speaker 1: this new cycle we began the day not even seven am. 27 00:01:37,160 --> 00:01:40,160 Speaker 1: We get news that Roger Stone has been indicted by 28 00:01:40,160 --> 00:01:45,280 Speaker 1: federal prosecutors, charged with seven different counts, including lying to 29 00:01:45,440 --> 00:01:50,080 Speaker 1: federal investigators about his relationships with Organization One. There's no 30 00:01:50,120 --> 00:01:53,120 Speaker 1: way to read this twenty three page indictment and not 31 00:01:53,280 --> 00:01:56,560 Speaker 1: know that organization wanted Wiki leaks and its founder, of course, 32 00:01:56,600 --> 00:02:02,080 Speaker 1: Julian Massage. He gets indicted. Meanwhile, we get a word 33 00:02:02,320 --> 00:02:08,040 Speaker 1: that the airports. The airports are now being dramatically impacted 34 00:02:08,320 --> 00:02:11,760 Speaker 1: earlier this morning by flight delays because f a A 35 00:02:11,880 --> 00:02:16,359 Speaker 1: workers are not showing up as a result of this 36 00:02:16,520 --> 00:02:20,160 Speaker 1: partial government shutdown. That put a bevy of folks up 37 00:02:20,160 --> 00:02:24,119 Speaker 1: at LaGuardia Airport Philly International Airport, which is already quite 38 00:02:24,120 --> 00:02:27,960 Speaker 1: frankly difficult to fly through new Work Airport. That that 39 00:02:28,000 --> 00:02:30,160 Speaker 1: put a lot of pressure on lawmakers up on Capitol 40 00:02:30,240 --> 00:02:33,320 Speaker 1: Hill and on the White House to get some type 41 00:02:33,320 --> 00:02:37,120 Speaker 1: of deal, and that is what we got. As we speak, 42 00:02:37,360 --> 00:02:41,320 Speaker 1: the House getting ready to finalize rubber stamp this deal 43 00:02:41,760 --> 00:02:45,200 Speaker 1: of that President Trump has agreed to some would say 44 00:02:45,240 --> 00:02:49,960 Speaker 1: begrudging lee to open the government. Reopened the government for 45 00:02:50,080 --> 00:02:54,960 Speaker 1: three weeks, but it's got no payments for the wall. 46 00:02:55,040 --> 00:02:58,160 Speaker 1: We are going to talk all about Roger Stone later 47 00:02:58,160 --> 00:02:59,920 Speaker 1: in the program, but I want to start with the 48 00:03:00,040 --> 00:03:04,120 Speaker 1: reopening of the government. The boss is here, no Oprey Springsteen, 49 00:03:04,280 --> 00:03:08,120 Speaker 1: Bloomberg Bureau Chief in Washington, D C. Craig, Gordon Craig. 50 00:03:09,760 --> 00:03:11,880 Speaker 1: I mean, how do you put put this in perspective 51 00:03:11,880 --> 00:03:16,280 Speaker 1: in terms of now the largest, the longest partial government shutdown. 52 00:03:17,080 --> 00:03:20,560 Speaker 1: It's over for now, for now? Uh sure, So pick 53 00:03:20,600 --> 00:03:23,760 Speaker 1: your word. You want capitulation, do you want cave in? 54 00:03:24,520 --> 00:03:26,160 Speaker 1: All kinds of words you could put on this. Look. 55 00:03:26,200 --> 00:03:28,200 Speaker 1: Donald Trump told us for what are we up to 56 00:03:28,240 --> 00:03:30,480 Speaker 1: thirty five days that he would not sign a bill 57 00:03:30,560 --> 00:03:32,960 Speaker 1: unless and included funding for the wall five point seven 58 00:03:32,960 --> 00:03:36,640 Speaker 1: billion dollars in all. Then yesterday they said, well, okay, 59 00:03:36,640 --> 00:03:38,800 Speaker 1: maybe not all five point seven billion, but at least 60 00:03:38,840 --> 00:03:41,720 Speaker 1: a down payment. No, no, not a downpayment, a sizeable 61 00:03:41,800 --> 00:03:44,040 Speaker 1: down payment. And how much did he get today, big 62 00:03:44,080 --> 00:03:46,960 Speaker 1: fed goose egg. So look, when you are in politics 63 00:03:47,000 --> 00:03:50,080 Speaker 1: and you stake your entire shutdown on building a five 64 00:03:50,120 --> 00:03:52,640 Speaker 1: point seven billion dollar wall and then agreed to a 65 00:03:52,680 --> 00:03:55,200 Speaker 1: deal that gets you no wall, no money for the wall, 66 00:03:55,280 --> 00:03:57,120 Speaker 1: and no hope of getting any money for the wall, 67 00:03:57,600 --> 00:04:00,320 Speaker 1: I call that a cave. Hashtag Trump cave does the 68 00:04:00,400 --> 00:04:03,600 Speaker 1: number one trending topic in the USA as we speak. 69 00:04:03,720 --> 00:04:06,720 Speaker 1: But wait here is what President Trump had to say 70 00:04:06,720 --> 00:04:08,760 Speaker 1: at the Rose Garden just a couple of hours ago 71 00:04:09,120 --> 00:04:11,800 Speaker 1: at the White House signal. Listen, I am very proud 72 00:04:11,880 --> 00:04:15,400 Speaker 1: to announce today that we have reached a deal to 73 00:04:15,680 --> 00:04:20,680 Speaker 1: end the shutdown and reopen the federal government. Craig, he says, 74 00:04:20,680 --> 00:04:23,960 Speaker 1: it's a deal. Well, it is a deal. Um, I mean, 75 00:04:24,600 --> 00:04:26,520 Speaker 1: I think the Senates already voted, the House will will 76 00:04:26,600 --> 00:04:28,240 Speaker 1: vote to take a kind of a pro form of vote. 77 00:04:28,560 --> 00:04:30,720 Speaker 1: Get this to his desk, and we get three weeks 78 00:04:30,800 --> 00:04:33,680 Speaker 1: until Friday, February fifteenth. Why did these always have to 79 00:04:33,760 --> 00:04:39,160 Speaker 1: end on a Friday? Ruin our Friday? The dream? You 80 00:04:39,240 --> 00:04:44,320 Speaker 1: might need to get out a little bit more, but um, yeah, 81 00:04:44,360 --> 00:04:46,400 Speaker 1: So look we get three the three weeks back, and 82 00:04:46,920 --> 00:04:48,560 Speaker 1: you know we're we're somewhat making light of this, but 83 00:04:48,640 --> 00:04:50,240 Speaker 1: the more serious side of this, this would have been 84 00:04:50,240 --> 00:04:53,920 Speaker 1: the second paycheck for federal workers that they didn't get. 85 00:04:54,200 --> 00:04:57,520 Speaker 1: That's real money and impacting people's lives. You mentioned the 86 00:04:58,080 --> 00:05:01,200 Speaker 1: essentially the shutdown of Laguarty Airport. Airplanes could not land 87 00:05:01,279 --> 00:05:04,080 Speaker 1: or take off. Pretty dramatic stuff. So you know, I 88 00:05:04,440 --> 00:05:07,640 Speaker 1: think it all kind of forced, uh, forced Trump's hand. 89 00:05:07,960 --> 00:05:09,680 Speaker 1: And here we are now that we've got three weeks now. 90 00:05:09,680 --> 00:05:11,520 Speaker 1: Trump would tell you that he also got them to 91 00:05:11,560 --> 00:05:14,040 Speaker 1: agree to, you know, have a conference committee and sit 92 00:05:14,040 --> 00:05:16,600 Speaker 1: down and talk about how to figure out this border 93 00:05:16,640 --> 00:05:19,880 Speaker 1: security problem, bringing experts, you know, find out what needs 94 00:05:19,920 --> 00:05:21,960 Speaker 1: to be done. Okay, sure, it sounds a lot like 95 00:05:21,960 --> 00:05:24,719 Speaker 1: a blue ribbon panel, which presidents love to do because 96 00:05:24,760 --> 00:05:27,120 Speaker 1: they don't cost anything and they also don't require you 97 00:05:27,160 --> 00:05:28,800 Speaker 1: to do anything. And it's really back down to the 98 00:05:28,800 --> 00:05:31,680 Speaker 1: politics of the wall. Democrats have been winning that fight. 99 00:05:31,720 --> 00:05:34,760 Speaker 1: That's why Nancy Pelosi and Chuck Schumer, the two congressional 100 00:05:34,839 --> 00:05:37,200 Speaker 1: leaders in the Democratic Party, did not have to ever 101 00:05:37,400 --> 00:05:40,200 Speaker 1: cave or capitulate. Um and I have a fan We're 102 00:05:40,240 --> 00:05:42,320 Speaker 1: gonna be right back in the same place three weeks 103 00:05:42,320 --> 00:05:45,520 Speaker 1: from now. The question I would ask is can you 104 00:05:45,600 --> 00:05:48,479 Speaker 1: actually shut down the government again after you've just reopened it? 105 00:05:48,480 --> 00:05:50,280 Speaker 1: And I don't think there's an appetite for I mean, 106 00:05:50,279 --> 00:05:52,599 Speaker 1: you look at these poles that have come out just 107 00:05:52,760 --> 00:05:56,040 Speaker 1: within this week alone independent voters, you know, I mean, 108 00:05:56,080 --> 00:05:59,080 Speaker 1: the frustration it's palpable. Every stafford that I was texting 109 00:05:59,120 --> 00:06:04,039 Speaker 1: with today, um Democrats, two Republicans were you know, baffled 110 00:06:04,120 --> 00:06:06,080 Speaker 1: in terms of how long this had gone on. And 111 00:06:06,160 --> 00:06:08,800 Speaker 1: to see the display at the airports, I thought it 112 00:06:08,839 --> 00:06:12,279 Speaker 1: was interesting to see the stock market actually rise on 113 00:06:12,400 --> 00:06:15,000 Speaker 1: news of the frustration and the flight delays because they 114 00:06:15,040 --> 00:06:19,600 Speaker 1: were hoping. Traders were hoping that the situation would yield 115 00:06:20,000 --> 00:06:23,440 Speaker 1: to some type of deal to be made. Daniel Liittman 116 00:06:23,520 --> 00:06:26,680 Speaker 1: is the co author of Political Playbook. He knows all 117 00:06:26,720 --> 00:06:30,960 Speaker 1: of the inner workings on Washington's Muscli Daily Morning tip 118 00:06:31,000 --> 00:06:33,240 Speaker 1: sheet and knows all of the back and forth from 119 00:06:33,240 --> 00:06:36,719 Speaker 1: all of these players. So from your take, from your reporting, Daniel, 120 00:06:38,400 --> 00:06:42,000 Speaker 1: who who wins and who loses here? I think clearly 121 00:06:42,040 --> 00:06:45,320 Speaker 1: Democrats have the upper hand and claiming victory on this, 122 00:06:45,600 --> 00:06:48,040 Speaker 1: and they probably don't want to do so too publicly 123 00:06:48,080 --> 00:06:51,800 Speaker 1: as to not antagonize Trump to you know, provoke him 124 00:06:51,839 --> 00:06:55,279 Speaker 1: to do a second shutdown. But you know, it shows 125 00:06:55,320 --> 00:06:59,480 Speaker 1: that standing firm yields results. And Speaker Pelosi did not 126 00:06:59,680 --> 00:07:03,400 Speaker 1: want to cave herself in the first month or so 127 00:07:03,640 --> 00:07:07,000 Speaker 1: of her speakership in her you know, but but do 128 00:07:07,080 --> 00:07:09,320 Speaker 1: you think not to interrupt you, but but but do 129 00:07:09,400 --> 00:07:13,480 Speaker 1: you think here I spoke with with Republican freshman members 130 00:07:14,000 --> 00:07:20,160 Speaker 1: yesterday morning and who were steadfast and wanting to support 131 00:07:20,600 --> 00:07:23,120 Speaker 1: President Trump and wanting to support the wall. And we 132 00:07:23,160 --> 00:07:25,520 Speaker 1: can look at the polls, and we rightfully do, but 133 00:07:25,600 --> 00:07:28,560 Speaker 1: there's still about thirty of the country that is with 134 00:07:28,720 --> 00:07:31,360 Speaker 1: the president. You look at and culture, You look at 135 00:07:31,440 --> 00:07:35,880 Speaker 1: these conservative commentators, they have to be frustrated at five 136 00:07:35,880 --> 00:07:39,320 Speaker 1: o'clock this afternoon on a Friday, heading into the weekend. No, Daniel, 137 00:07:39,800 --> 00:07:43,800 Speaker 1: I think they're definitely frustrated. And the and culture she 138 00:07:43,960 --> 00:07:46,840 Speaker 1: tweeted that, you know, George H. W. Bush is now 139 00:07:46,920 --> 00:07:51,400 Speaker 1: no longer the you know, weakest president. She is accusing 140 00:07:51,480 --> 00:07:55,280 Speaker 1: Trump of uh, you know, having that title. And so uh, 141 00:07:55,280 --> 00:08:00,440 Speaker 1: those conservative commentators are very angry that Trump sold them 142 00:08:00,440 --> 00:08:03,520 Speaker 1: out on this and did not stand firm. Uh. And 143 00:08:03,560 --> 00:08:06,880 Speaker 1: then there are the types of Trump allies like Mark Meadows, 144 00:08:06,880 --> 00:08:10,720 Speaker 1: who is also a very conservative member, but he is 145 00:08:10,760 --> 00:08:13,760 Speaker 1: still a you know, very close to the president, and 146 00:08:13,800 --> 00:08:16,760 Speaker 1: so he of course said this was a big victory. 147 00:08:17,080 --> 00:08:18,960 Speaker 1: You know, Trump got what he wanted. You know, we'll 148 00:08:19,000 --> 00:08:22,200 Speaker 1: resolve it, we'll secure the border. Uh. And so that's 149 00:08:22,240 --> 00:08:24,760 Speaker 1: kind of my test of you know, someone who is 150 00:08:24,840 --> 00:08:27,080 Speaker 1: very loyal to Trump. I think the word and culture 151 00:08:27,120 --> 00:08:29,800 Speaker 1: used his whimp actually sorry to be just to be clear, 152 00:08:30,280 --> 00:08:33,240 Speaker 1: um a word that was pretty unfairly labeled on Georgie's 153 00:08:33,280 --> 00:08:35,439 Speaker 1: w Bush. I mean, look, if Donald Trump thinks he 154 00:08:35,440 --> 00:08:38,000 Speaker 1: can get back to the White House with because culture 155 00:08:38,040 --> 00:08:40,240 Speaker 1: likes what he's doing, he's wrong. He's just wrong. He 156 00:08:40,480 --> 00:08:43,240 Speaker 1: he thread the needle in twenty sixteen with a very 157 00:08:43,280 --> 00:08:46,960 Speaker 1: you know, deeply conservative base. He sort of represented and 158 00:08:47,000 --> 00:08:49,199 Speaker 1: spoke for a lot of people who felt their voices 159 00:08:49,240 --> 00:08:51,000 Speaker 1: were not being heard. I do not think you can 160 00:08:51,040 --> 00:08:53,120 Speaker 1: capture that lightning in a bottle again. I don't think 161 00:08:53,480 --> 00:08:55,199 Speaker 1: he can get back to the White House with exactly 162 00:08:55,240 --> 00:08:57,360 Speaker 1: the same people he got there with last time, because 163 00:08:57,360 --> 00:09:00,000 Speaker 1: there are fewer of them. You look at these poles, 164 00:09:00,040 --> 00:09:03,760 Speaker 1: even Trump's true believer base, they don't like this, and 165 00:09:03,880 --> 00:09:05,600 Speaker 1: some of them are hanging tough of them as as 166 00:09:05,720 --> 00:09:08,000 Speaker 1: as Kevin mentioned, I do think Trump gets credit for 167 00:09:08,080 --> 00:09:10,800 Speaker 1: holding the lawmakers in Washington together. You know, they took 168 00:09:10,800 --> 00:09:12,360 Speaker 1: a couple of test votes where it could have gone 169 00:09:12,440 --> 00:09:14,120 Speaker 1: very badly for Trump, and he did. He managed to 170 00:09:14,160 --> 00:09:17,040 Speaker 1: hold the party caucuses in the House and the Senate together, 171 00:09:17,160 --> 00:09:19,000 Speaker 1: largely for his part. I do not think that is 172 00:09:19,040 --> 00:09:21,800 Speaker 1: the case for the independent voters that Kevin mentions that 173 00:09:21,920 --> 00:09:24,040 Speaker 1: helped Trump get to the White House. They don't want 174 00:09:24,080 --> 00:09:26,199 Speaker 1: to see their country not pay its workers. They don't 175 00:09:26,200 --> 00:09:27,960 Speaker 1: want to see their airports not work. They don't want 176 00:09:27,960 --> 00:09:30,080 Speaker 1: to see, you know, food not getting expected. And I 177 00:09:30,120 --> 00:09:32,559 Speaker 1: think he's running a very big risk if he used 178 00:09:32,559 --> 00:09:34,520 Speaker 1: all of his policies for the next two years to 179 00:09:34,679 --> 00:09:37,840 Speaker 1: keeping and Coulter happy. He will he can put that 180 00:09:37,920 --> 00:09:40,599 Speaker 1: in his post presidential book because he won't win, and 181 00:09:40,640 --> 00:09:42,400 Speaker 1: they don't want to see eight hundred thousand people not 182 00:09:42,440 --> 00:09:45,160 Speaker 1: getting paid. On time panel stays the Boss, the d 183 00:09:45,200 --> 00:09:47,280 Speaker 1: C bureauc Craig Gordon with me for the hour. M 184 00:09:47,360 --> 00:09:52,080 Speaker 1: Daniel Litman, co author of political playbook Coming Up. Michael Caputo, 185 00:09:52,640 --> 00:09:55,920 Speaker 1: the close friend ally of Roger Stone. He's gonna call in, 186 00:09:56,600 --> 00:09:59,400 Speaker 1: what does he think of the indictment. I'm Kevin s 187 00:09:59,480 --> 00:10:07,400 Speaker 1: really your list to Bloomberg. You're listening to Sound On 188 00:10:07,600 --> 00:10:13,000 Speaker 1: with Kevin's Really on Bloomberg and f M H D 189 00:10:13,120 --> 00:10:16,800 Speaker 1: two Boltemore. Today we have come to a way to 190 00:10:16,920 --> 00:10:20,160 Speaker 1: go forward to debate the best ways to protect our border. 191 00:10:20,240 --> 00:10:23,720 Speaker 1: I don't see this as any power play. That was 192 00:10:23,800 --> 00:10:28,880 Speaker 1: how Speaker Nancy Pelosi talking about the developments. She says 193 00:10:28,920 --> 00:10:32,480 Speaker 1: it's not a power play in terms of the three 194 00:10:32,520 --> 00:10:36,600 Speaker 1: week kicked the can down the road agreement of sorts 195 00:10:36,679 --> 00:10:41,080 Speaker 1: that lawmakers have agreed to UH to keep the government open. 196 00:10:41,360 --> 00:10:45,280 Speaker 1: Workers are gonna get paid eight hundred thousand federal employees 197 00:10:45,840 --> 00:10:48,240 Speaker 1: who are at risk of not getting paid again. The 198 00:10:48,280 --> 00:10:51,400 Speaker 1: President earlier today in the Rose Garden said that one 199 00:10:51,440 --> 00:10:54,320 Speaker 1: of the first things that he's going to do is 200 00:10:54,360 --> 00:11:00,120 Speaker 1: to make sure that those employees get get paid. We're 201 00:11:00,120 --> 00:11:04,000 Speaker 1: gonna talk much more about the UH, the government shutdown 202 00:11:04,120 --> 00:11:08,600 Speaker 1: coming to a pause, coming to an end. I don't know. Well, uh, well, 203 00:11:08,679 --> 00:11:11,120 Speaker 1: we'll we'll sort through all of that. But first we 204 00:11:11,200 --> 00:11:13,440 Speaker 1: gotta get to the other big story of the day, 205 00:11:13,440 --> 00:11:16,640 Speaker 1: and that's Roger Stone. Because he was indicted earlier today 206 00:11:16,760 --> 00:11:23,320 Speaker 1: on seven counts, including lying to investigators for how uh 207 00:11:23,360 --> 00:11:25,840 Speaker 1: for lying to investigators about his relationship in the campaign, 208 00:11:25,880 --> 00:11:29,720 Speaker 1: relationship with wiki leaks with me now joining me on 209 00:11:29,760 --> 00:11:33,760 Speaker 1: the phone, Michael Caputo, a former presidential or former campaign 210 00:11:33,760 --> 00:11:37,280 Speaker 1: advisor rather to the Trump campaign, someone who knows Roger 211 00:11:37,320 --> 00:11:40,400 Speaker 1: Stone very well, Michael, thank you for for being for 212 00:11:40,480 --> 00:11:44,880 Speaker 1: joining us on the phone, or your reaction to Roger 213 00:11:44,920 --> 00:11:51,800 Speaker 1: Stone being indicted. Well, I while now, because every Friday 214 00:11:51,920 --> 00:11:57,319 Speaker 1: was Roger Stone and uh, Roger and I would get 215 00:11:57,600 --> 00:12:01,480 Speaker 1: calls on Thursday night. You know, Um, have you heard 216 00:12:01,480 --> 00:12:06,200 Speaker 1: anything from Muller? We heard Tomorrow's day and so for 217 00:12:06,640 --> 00:12:10,920 Speaker 1: you know, many months now, Roger has been, uh has 218 00:12:10,920 --> 00:12:14,080 Speaker 1: been you know, like working Fridays. You know, it was 219 00:12:14,120 --> 00:12:17,520 Speaker 1: my last one, you know, you know, and kept going 220 00:12:17,559 --> 00:12:20,319 Speaker 1: and going and and so you know, we've seen this. 221 00:12:21,000 --> 00:12:23,760 Speaker 1: We've gone a fire drill like this six or seven times. 222 00:12:24,160 --> 00:12:27,160 Speaker 1: This time, you know, it wasn't a drill, so everybody 223 00:12:27,280 --> 00:12:29,960 Speaker 1: knew where to go and what to do. Roger, Roger 224 00:12:30,040 --> 00:12:33,600 Speaker 1: was ready, his lawyers were ready, and uh, you know, 225 00:12:33,600 --> 00:12:37,000 Speaker 1: everybody's taking their places and this will go forward. But 226 00:12:37,120 --> 00:12:41,920 Speaker 1: I was struck, Michael. I don't think he knew that 227 00:12:42,000 --> 00:12:44,680 Speaker 1: the that the raid was going to happen this morning, 228 00:12:44,720 --> 00:12:47,160 Speaker 1: and just to to to set the scene a little bit. 229 00:12:47,800 --> 00:12:53,120 Speaker 1: At about six am. Shortly thereafter, a bevy of of 230 00:12:53,320 --> 00:12:58,560 Speaker 1: FBI agents UH arrived at his Fort Lauderdale home and 231 00:12:58,640 --> 00:13:03,200 Speaker 1: presumably based on the ports, woke up Uh. And he 232 00:13:03,280 --> 00:13:07,199 Speaker 1: even said afterward after his court appearance, he was released 233 00:13:07,200 --> 00:13:09,720 Speaker 1: on a two hundred and fifty thousand dollar bond. Bail. 234 00:13:10,360 --> 00:13:13,800 Speaker 1: Uh he's allowed to travel to New York City, Washington, 235 00:13:13,920 --> 00:13:18,040 Speaker 1: D c. And and Fort Lauderdale where he resides. But 236 00:13:18,679 --> 00:13:22,480 Speaker 1: I mean, he even criticized that response. Did did you 237 00:13:22,679 --> 00:13:25,480 Speaker 1: do you think that he feels that this is it? 238 00:13:25,760 --> 00:13:28,439 Speaker 1: Do you? Or do you do you? Does he really believe? 239 00:13:29,040 --> 00:13:31,480 Speaker 1: And I guess follow up, I mean, have you spoken 240 00:13:31,520 --> 00:13:35,040 Speaker 1: with him recently but from your relationship, do you do 241 00:13:35,080 --> 00:13:37,800 Speaker 1: you think he believes that he's not going to go 242 00:13:37,840 --> 00:13:42,559 Speaker 1: to jail. I think Roger is completely confident in his innocence. 243 00:13:43,120 --> 00:13:44,840 Speaker 1: I mean, we looked at you know, I set them 244 00:13:45,080 --> 00:13:50,000 Speaker 1: on base. Second was about with me about Roger that 245 00:13:50,080 --> 00:13:53,800 Speaker 1: they will after collusion, and they really were. There were 246 00:13:53,840 --> 00:13:57,960 Speaker 1: questions about Russian and US about things. They were clearly 247 00:13:58,480 --> 00:14:03,720 Speaker 1: on their way belief and illusion. And when we didn't 248 00:14:03,800 --> 00:14:07,200 Speaker 1: find it. Here we are so many months later and 249 00:14:07,240 --> 00:14:09,520 Speaker 1: instead of they found two guys that will lie about 250 00:14:09,600 --> 00:14:12,319 Speaker 1: Rogerstone and they're making a case against him and that. 251 00:14:12,920 --> 00:14:15,480 Speaker 1: So you know, the fact is, I don't think one 252 00:14:15,640 --> 00:14:18,480 Speaker 1: to believe the Friday morning was going to be the 253 00:14:18,520 --> 00:14:21,960 Speaker 1: morning in hands, but he's been so proposed at every 254 00:14:22,000 --> 00:14:25,640 Speaker 1: Friday morning being that morning, uh that I think he 255 00:14:25,760 --> 00:14:29,760 Speaker 1: just went through the motion. He uhh, Yeah, I think 256 00:14:29,920 --> 00:14:32,320 Speaker 1: he just went through the motions. And you know, they 257 00:14:32,360 --> 00:14:34,760 Speaker 1: they got to what they looked, what they were looking 258 00:14:34,800 --> 00:14:37,800 Speaker 1: for in the courtroom today. They got him out on bail. 259 00:14:38,280 --> 00:14:40,240 Speaker 1: We know that. You know, they've been keeping people in 260 00:14:40,360 --> 00:14:43,320 Speaker 1: jail a lot. And as long as Rogers out on bail, 261 00:14:43,400 --> 00:14:46,240 Speaker 1: he can be his own spokesman. And he is his 262 00:14:46,320 --> 00:14:50,440 Speaker 1: own best spokesman. So I think he's gonna be. I 263 00:14:50,440 --> 00:14:53,400 Speaker 1: think he really wants to be right now. Considering Michael 264 00:14:53,880 --> 00:14:58,240 Speaker 1: Caputo a confident close friend of Roger Stone, uh, someone 265 00:14:58,240 --> 00:15:02,880 Speaker 1: who was a campaign advisor there during the first presidential 266 00:15:03,000 --> 00:15:06,200 Speaker 1: campaign for Donald Trump. Also you mentioned this, I mean 267 00:15:06,240 --> 00:15:11,640 Speaker 1: you have been an investigated, interviewed by the Mueller investigation. 268 00:15:12,320 --> 00:15:14,920 Speaker 1: You know this has been well documented. You and I 269 00:15:15,000 --> 00:15:17,760 Speaker 1: have talked about this before. In May of twenty sixteen, 270 00:15:17,840 --> 00:15:21,080 Speaker 1: that meeting that you and Roger had with Henry Greenberg, 271 00:15:21,200 --> 00:15:25,440 Speaker 1: Russian national who claimed to have damaging information about Hillary Clinton. 272 00:15:25,600 --> 00:15:29,640 Speaker 1: And you've said you didn't know he was a Russian, right, well, 273 00:15:29,640 --> 00:15:33,240 Speaker 1: Henry Greenberg, Uh, I say, didn't you know not took 274 00:15:33,280 --> 00:15:35,280 Speaker 1: a phone call from the guy and I and I 275 00:15:35,560 --> 00:15:38,440 Speaker 1: uh defliked him after Rogers because I was leaving the 276 00:15:38,440 --> 00:15:42,400 Speaker 1: campaign going to the convention, and uh, um, you know 277 00:15:42,440 --> 00:15:44,280 Speaker 1: that was really all went out. But you know, I 278 00:15:44,280 --> 00:15:49,120 Speaker 1: don't even know if I told Roger Henry Greenberg, and 279 00:15:49,360 --> 00:15:52,080 Speaker 1: I don't think you knew until after the meeting that 280 00:15:52,200 --> 00:15:54,880 Speaker 1: the guy was even a Russian. Um. So you know, 281 00:15:55,000 --> 00:15:58,480 Speaker 1: I mean, in the end, the Henry Greenberg meeting doesn't 282 00:15:58,520 --> 00:16:02,600 Speaker 1: make it into the into the indictment um and the 283 00:16:03,760 --> 00:16:07,960 Speaker 1: whole uh kind of a way of other allegations, but 284 00:16:08,080 --> 00:16:10,520 Speaker 1: it kind of you know, he said, he said, between 285 00:16:10,640 --> 00:16:13,920 Speaker 1: him and would pious to be Randy and Harry cor 286 00:16:15,000 --> 00:16:18,880 Speaker 1: what an interesting place for the Moller investigation to end up. 287 00:16:19,160 --> 00:16:22,160 Speaker 1: You know, at the very end of thirty five million 288 00:16:22,200 --> 00:16:25,880 Speaker 1: dollars spent and what you know, a couple of dozen 289 00:16:26,080 --> 00:16:29,240 Speaker 1: years of Yale Law School between them, you know, there 290 00:16:29,240 --> 00:16:32,200 Speaker 1: they are standing there looking at Jerry Corsey, you know, 291 00:16:32,320 --> 00:16:36,480 Speaker 1: Randy Kredito and Larry Klaiman was Steve benn And the 292 00:16:36,600 --> 00:16:40,280 Speaker 1: guy Steve Bannon when he was on the campaign, and 293 00:16:40,320 --> 00:16:42,320 Speaker 1: then of course a chief strategist in the White House 294 00:16:42,360 --> 00:16:45,360 Speaker 1: for the early part of the administration was Steve Bannon. 295 00:16:45,400 --> 00:16:48,880 Speaker 1: The guy that Roger was talking to, and that that 296 00:16:49,040 --> 00:16:50,880 Speaker 1: is not named in the APPI davit, as so many 297 00:16:50,920 --> 00:16:54,960 Speaker 1: including Bloomberg have reported today, I have I don't know 298 00:16:55,000 --> 00:16:58,720 Speaker 1: who that is, but I did see contemporating rewarding about 299 00:16:58,720 --> 00:17:02,920 Speaker 1: how um there were emails about about wiki leagues between 300 00:17:03,040 --> 00:17:06,320 Speaker 1: Roger and and Bannon, and there were some of those, 301 00:17:06,480 --> 00:17:11,400 Speaker 1: uh emails produced the media. So I mean, I don't 302 00:17:11,400 --> 00:17:16,520 Speaker 1: think that, you know, Roger was not a broadly considered 303 00:17:16,600 --> 00:17:20,320 Speaker 1: consultant on the campaign. He was really talking to the president, 304 00:17:21,040 --> 00:17:24,720 Speaker 1: um is when he was uh, well, I guess when 305 00:17:24,800 --> 00:17:27,520 Speaker 1: he and the campaign had had their both up in 306 00:17:28,040 --> 00:17:31,719 Speaker 1: late twenty fifteen. Since then the team had changed, you know, 307 00:17:31,800 --> 00:17:34,280 Speaker 1: twice in three times. But if he was talking about 308 00:17:35,359 --> 00:17:38,960 Speaker 1: he was contacting the president and anybody the President told 309 00:17:39,000 --> 00:17:42,119 Speaker 1: to talk to him. So that's I think that's the question. 310 00:17:42,160 --> 00:17:43,760 Speaker 1: I mean, if he was talking to the president, did 311 00:17:43,760 --> 00:17:47,479 Speaker 1: he say something about Julian Assange about wiki leaks? I mean, 312 00:17:47,640 --> 00:17:50,280 Speaker 1: and where do you think this investigation is? Said it? 313 00:17:50,280 --> 00:17:53,280 Speaker 1: And then I know, I gotta let you go. Well, right, uh, 314 00:17:53,520 --> 00:17:55,679 Speaker 1: Wid said time and again that he never told the 315 00:17:55,680 --> 00:17:58,960 Speaker 1: president about wiki leaks or any of these issues. Um, 316 00:17:59,040 --> 00:18:01,760 Speaker 1: and you know when and those kinds of circumstances, those 317 00:18:01,760 --> 00:18:05,760 Speaker 1: problems from the President, Roger, we're dealing far between and 318 00:18:05,760 --> 00:18:08,280 Speaker 1: and only and they seem to come at any time. 319 00:18:08,960 --> 00:18:11,119 Speaker 1: So it's not like we just prepared to preventation and 320 00:18:11,160 --> 00:18:13,480 Speaker 1: talk to the president about Wicky leaks, and not that 321 00:18:13,560 --> 00:18:16,000 Speaker 1: he would even do so on some kind of talk 322 00:18:16,040 --> 00:18:20,040 Speaker 1: to Amy story out of Jerry Corsi. Um, I don't 323 00:18:20,040 --> 00:18:23,080 Speaker 1: really believe that that ever happened, Robers said, you know, 324 00:18:23,640 --> 00:18:26,760 Speaker 1: metaphysically certain that that never happened. So if that's what 325 00:18:26,800 --> 00:18:29,480 Speaker 1: they're option here, I think they're all going to be disappointed. 326 00:18:29,480 --> 00:18:31,680 Speaker 1: I think that's what rob was talking about when he 327 00:18:31,680 --> 00:18:34,159 Speaker 1: says he will not lie in order to get the 328 00:18:34,160 --> 00:18:36,840 Speaker 1: president in the problem because he believes I think that 329 00:18:36,920 --> 00:18:39,399 Speaker 1: that's where they're pushing them, all right, Like, yeah, I 330 00:18:39,440 --> 00:18:41,600 Speaker 1: don't think it will come out of Robert. Michael Caputo, 331 00:18:41,760 --> 00:18:45,520 Speaker 1: a former advisor to the presidential campaign of Donald Trump 332 00:18:45,640 --> 00:18:47,760 Speaker 1: and joining us on the phone, and of course a 333 00:18:47,800 --> 00:18:51,399 Speaker 1: close confident to Rogerstone. Michael, thank you for calling in. 334 00:18:51,480 --> 00:18:54,680 Speaker 1: We'll talk with you later. Appreciate it. And h Craig Gordon, 335 00:18:54,760 --> 00:18:57,640 Speaker 1: DC bureau chief, just before we go to break, what'd 336 00:18:57,640 --> 00:18:59,639 Speaker 1: you think about? I mean, you did ask him the 337 00:18:59,680 --> 00:19:02,040 Speaker 1: right and the only question that really matters right here 338 00:19:02,440 --> 00:19:04,879 Speaker 1: is and you know, we'll all respected to Roger Stone 339 00:19:05,280 --> 00:19:07,920 Speaker 1: and to Michael Puto. Did Roger Stone tell the president 340 00:19:07,960 --> 00:19:11,080 Speaker 1: about his interactions with Wiki leaks uh and Wiki Leaks's 341 00:19:11,200 --> 00:19:14,119 Speaker 1: attempts to get the Russian hacked emails from the d 342 00:19:14,240 --> 00:19:16,280 Speaker 1: n C and get them to the Trump campaign. If 343 00:19:16,280 --> 00:19:18,520 Speaker 1: the answer is yes, that's a very very bad day 344 00:19:18,520 --> 00:19:20,240 Speaker 1: for Roger Stone and for Donald Trump. And if the 345 00:19:20,240 --> 00:19:23,159 Speaker 1: answer is no, as Michael Caputo says he believes it is, 346 00:19:23,200 --> 00:19:26,359 Speaker 1: and as Roger Stone quote metaphysically believes it is, okay, 347 00:19:26,400 --> 00:19:29,480 Speaker 1: well that's a different story. The brutal truth is nobody 348 00:19:29,480 --> 00:19:31,920 Speaker 1: really cares about Roger Stone as a political actor. He's 349 00:19:31,920 --> 00:19:34,080 Speaker 1: been on the scene for thirty years. He's a he's 350 00:19:34,119 --> 00:19:36,840 Speaker 1: a brilliant man and a wildly entertaining person to spend 351 00:19:36,840 --> 00:19:38,800 Speaker 1: a little time with. But as far as sort of 352 00:19:38,840 --> 00:19:42,240 Speaker 1: the guts of this investigation, it's about Donald Trump. It's 353 00:19:42,240 --> 00:19:44,480 Speaker 1: not about all the people around him and what those 354 00:19:44,480 --> 00:19:46,640 Speaker 1: people told him or didn't tell him or shared with him, 355 00:19:46,640 --> 00:19:49,800 Speaker 1: and what he knew. The The indictment hints, you know, hints, 356 00:19:49,800 --> 00:19:53,000 Speaker 1: it doesn't hint. It says, you know, senior Trump administration 357 00:19:53,119 --> 00:19:56,520 Speaker 1: or campaign officials directed Stone to to find out about 358 00:19:56,600 --> 00:19:59,800 Speaker 1: these these leaked emails. The indictment does not name those people. 359 00:19:59,840 --> 00:20:01,199 Speaker 1: We don't know who they are. I'm not going to 360 00:20:01,240 --> 00:20:03,840 Speaker 1: speculate here on sort of live radio, but to the 361 00:20:03,920 --> 00:20:07,480 Speaker 1: extent you know, if Roger Stone is getting information from 362 00:20:07,480 --> 00:20:09,879 Speaker 1: Wiki leaks and sharing it with the Trump campaign and 363 00:20:09,920 --> 00:20:12,840 Speaker 1: that information was obtained from the Russian government, again, that's 364 00:20:12,840 --> 00:20:15,320 Speaker 1: a very very bad day for somebody. Maybe that's somebody's 365 00:20:15,400 --> 00:20:17,600 Speaker 1: Roger Stone, maybe it's someone inside the Trump campaign. We 366 00:20:17,640 --> 00:20:20,280 Speaker 1: don't know, and if you know, it goes to its 367 00:20:20,280 --> 00:20:22,960 Speaker 1: fullest extent. Who knows, maybe a bad day for Donald Trump. 368 00:20:22,960 --> 00:20:25,560 Speaker 1: Added to the queue. Added to the Netflix que Get 369 00:20:25,600 --> 00:20:28,840 Speaker 1: me Roger Stone. It's a Netflix documentary it's worth your 370 00:20:28,880 --> 00:20:32,320 Speaker 1: watch this weekend. Coming up. More on the shutdown panel stays, 371 00:20:32,680 --> 00:20:35,400 Speaker 1: including the Boss d C Bureau Chief of Bloomberg News, 372 00:20:35,480 --> 00:20:43,400 Speaker 1: Craig Gordon. I'm Kevin Sarelli. You're listening to Bloomberg. You're 373 00:20:43,440 --> 00:20:48,400 Speaker 1: listening to Sound On with Kevin Surreally on Bloomberg one 374 00:20:48,560 --> 00:20:51,399 Speaker 1: and one oh five seven m h D two, Baltimore. 375 00:20:52,240 --> 00:20:54,639 Speaker 1: Welcome back. We made. It's a Friday, and what a 376 00:20:54,720 --> 00:20:59,159 Speaker 1: friday it was? The shutdown. Well, it's about to be 377 00:20:59,320 --> 00:21:03,719 Speaker 1: hit on pause a three week extension agreed to by lawmakers, 378 00:21:03,760 --> 00:21:07,399 Speaker 1: President Trump giving his blessing to reopen the government for 379 00:21:07,440 --> 00:21:11,240 Speaker 1: three weeks and no down payment on the wall. But 380 00:21:11,359 --> 00:21:14,960 Speaker 1: what happens three weeks from now is anyone's guess, whether 381 00:21:15,080 --> 00:21:18,800 Speaker 1: or not they have another government shutdown, or whether or 382 00:21:18,840 --> 00:21:24,280 Speaker 1: not the President uses national declares a national emergency to 383 00:21:24,480 --> 00:21:28,919 Speaker 1: bypass Congress in order to get the wall. We don't know. 384 00:21:28,960 --> 00:21:30,879 Speaker 1: We're gonna have to wait and see. Maybe we'll find 385 00:21:30,880 --> 00:21:33,760 Speaker 1: out on Tuesday night, should the President decide to give 386 00:21:33,800 --> 00:21:36,560 Speaker 1: a State of the Union address. Now that the government 387 00:21:36,840 --> 00:21:39,200 Speaker 1: likely will be reopened, and about six thirty, the House 388 00:21:39,200 --> 00:21:42,080 Speaker 1: will put their stamp on it, sending its President Trump's desk, 389 00:21:42,119 --> 00:21:44,399 Speaker 1: he said earlier today in the Rose Garden He's on board. 390 00:21:45,119 --> 00:21:47,879 Speaker 1: No wall though, no wall in that three week extension. 391 00:21:47,960 --> 00:21:51,880 Speaker 1: The other big story, of course, Roger Stone he posted 392 00:21:51,880 --> 00:21:56,840 Speaker 1: two dollar bail on bond in Fort Lauderdale after he 393 00:21:56,880 --> 00:22:00,639 Speaker 1: was indicted on seven counts. Seven counts include lying to 394 00:22:00,760 --> 00:22:06,919 Speaker 1: federal investigators about his relationship and communication with Wiki Leaks. 395 00:22:07,000 --> 00:22:11,639 Speaker 1: Tom Steyer is a billionaire hedge fund progressive activists. He 396 00:22:11,760 --> 00:22:15,879 Speaker 1: joins us on the line. He is also the author 397 00:22:16,400 --> 00:22:20,440 Speaker 1: or founder rather of Need to Impeach and the founder 398 00:22:20,520 --> 00:22:24,159 Speaker 1: of and president of Next Gen America. Tom. Thank you 399 00:22:24,200 --> 00:22:30,480 Speaker 1: for calling in your reaction tonight to Roger Stone. Well, Kevin, 400 00:22:31,400 --> 00:22:36,399 Speaker 1: this indictment draws a direct line between the Trump campaign 401 00:22:37,440 --> 00:22:43,919 Speaker 1: and the Wiki leak uh information about Mrs Clinton's emails, 402 00:22:44,040 --> 00:22:48,000 Speaker 1: which was hacked by agents of the Russian government. So 403 00:22:49,000 --> 00:22:53,040 Speaker 1: there is direct line between the campaign. And this is 404 00:22:53,080 --> 00:22:56,840 Speaker 1: exactly the point that Mr Trump has made repeatedly that 405 00:22:56,920 --> 00:23:00,160 Speaker 1: there was no collusion, no collusion, no collusion. Well, in fact, 406 00:23:00,200 --> 00:23:02,720 Speaker 1: it turns out there was collusion all right. But in 407 00:23:02,760 --> 00:23:06,760 Speaker 1: the twenty three page indictment, we don't know. It doesn't 408 00:23:06,840 --> 00:23:10,320 Speaker 1: name who the campaign official is that Roger Stone was 409 00:23:10,359 --> 00:23:12,919 Speaker 1: communicating with and nor does it say that he that 410 00:23:12,960 --> 00:23:15,960 Speaker 1: he told uh Donald Trump directly. What I'm hearing from you, 411 00:23:16,040 --> 00:23:21,359 Speaker 1: sir is doesn't matter, doesn't matter. He should be impeached regardless. Well, 412 00:23:21,440 --> 00:23:26,280 Speaker 1: let me say this, There isn't, there hasn't been the 413 00:23:26,359 --> 00:23:30,720 Speaker 1: final step drawn to Mr Trump personally. However, there is 414 00:23:30,760 --> 00:23:35,800 Speaker 1: a direct link to the campaign, another direct link between 415 00:23:36,520 --> 00:23:42,920 Speaker 1: felony lawbreaking and the people around Mr Trump, the people 416 00:23:42,920 --> 00:23:45,879 Speaker 1: who work for Mr Trump, the people who are longtime 417 00:23:45,960 --> 00:23:48,960 Speaker 1: associates of Mr Trump, all of whom are going to jail. 418 00:23:49,560 --> 00:23:52,480 Speaker 1: And so what you're saying, which is true, is that 419 00:23:52,560 --> 00:23:56,240 Speaker 1: this indictment does not take the final step of the 420 00:23:56,320 --> 00:24:00,160 Speaker 1: direct link to Mr Trump himself. But I would say 421 00:24:00,240 --> 00:24:02,359 Speaker 1: the only way we'll get that is to have the 422 00:24:02,440 --> 00:24:05,880 Speaker 1: kind of subpoena power that Mr Muller has or did. 423 00:24:05,880 --> 00:24:09,680 Speaker 1: The Congress of the United States has Tom Sayers to 424 00:24:09,720 --> 00:24:12,679 Speaker 1: make that final leap for you. The only somebody with 425 00:24:12,760 --> 00:24:15,879 Speaker 1: the power of the United States government behind him or 426 00:24:15,960 --> 00:24:17,880 Speaker 1: her can take that final step. But I will say, 427 00:24:18,000 --> 00:24:20,600 Speaker 1: after fifteen people who report to Mr Trump, we're all 428 00:24:20,600 --> 00:24:24,960 Speaker 1: going to jail for felonious lawbreaking. To assume that he 429 00:24:25,240 --> 00:24:26,760 Speaker 1: had nothing to do with it. Seems to me like 430 00:24:26,800 --> 00:24:29,640 Speaker 1: a very big assumption. Tom Styer, the billionaire hedge fund 431 00:24:29,640 --> 00:24:33,000 Speaker 1: manager turn progressive activists, is my guest on the line. 432 00:24:33,040 --> 00:24:35,360 Speaker 1: He also toyed with the idea of running for president. 433 00:24:35,560 --> 00:24:37,040 Speaker 1: He says he's not going to do it because he's 434 00:24:37,080 --> 00:24:42,399 Speaker 1: focusing on the his to impeach President Trump. Essentially. Craig Gordon, 435 00:24:42,560 --> 00:24:45,240 Speaker 1: my boss, the d C Bureau chief of Bloomberg News, 436 00:24:45,280 --> 00:24:48,040 Speaker 1: also with me in studio. Okay, you're listening to this, 437 00:24:48,480 --> 00:24:50,560 Speaker 1: and you and I were talking just about how there 438 00:24:50,600 --> 00:24:53,639 Speaker 1: are many progressives who agree with Mr Styer, Tom Steyer, 439 00:24:53,720 --> 00:24:58,360 Speaker 1: and they want this anger fueled and somehow No, that's right. 440 00:24:58,400 --> 00:25:01,280 Speaker 1: He's got I know, he of seven billion signatures for 441 00:25:01,359 --> 00:25:04,200 Speaker 1: his petitions to to move toward an impeachment. I guess 442 00:25:04,200 --> 00:25:05,720 Speaker 1: the question I have, as I said here and listen 443 00:25:05,720 --> 00:25:08,359 Speaker 1: to this interview, is you're saying yourself that we don't 444 00:25:08,520 --> 00:25:11,840 Speaker 1: we don't maybe have that final legal link between what 445 00:25:12,040 --> 00:25:14,960 Speaker 1: Roger Stone did or the Wikipedia the wiki wiki leaks 446 00:25:14,960 --> 00:25:17,280 Speaker 1: thing and Donald Trump, Why then are we ready to 447 00:25:17,320 --> 00:25:21,080 Speaker 1: impeach them. We'll let me say this. This is with 448 00:25:21,200 --> 00:25:25,960 Speaker 1: regard to this specific charge, Greg But we've seen Mr 449 00:25:26,040 --> 00:25:32,479 Speaker 1: Trump obstructing justice in public now for fifteen months. In 450 00:25:32,600 --> 00:25:34,879 Speaker 1: order to bring this to a close, we need the 451 00:25:34,880 --> 00:25:39,240 Speaker 1: Congress to the United States with prosecutors to put forward 452 00:25:39,280 --> 00:25:42,240 Speaker 1: a full case as part of impeachment. But there's no 453 00:25:42,320 --> 00:25:46,760 Speaker 1: reason not to start impeachment proceedings right now based on 454 00:25:47,119 --> 00:25:49,680 Speaker 1: things that we've all seen with our own eyes. I 455 00:25:49,720 --> 00:25:53,480 Speaker 1: think what's going on is, you know, to put it 456 00:25:53,480 --> 00:25:56,560 Speaker 1: in the context of Mr Trump's own words, he said, 457 00:25:57,119 --> 00:25:59,440 Speaker 1: I can murder someone on Fifth Avenue and it won't 458 00:25:59,440 --> 00:26:03,000 Speaker 1: make any differ. Prince, what I would say is he 459 00:26:03,040 --> 00:26:05,400 Speaker 1: can murder someone on Fifth Avenue and it won't make 460 00:26:05,400 --> 00:26:11,160 Speaker 1: a difference unless Robert Mueller or some other prosecutor says 461 00:26:11,200 --> 00:26:14,119 Speaker 1: it's murder, and then everything in the United States or 462 00:26:14,160 --> 00:26:16,560 Speaker 1: the I should say, the elected officials in Washington, d C. 463 00:26:16,920 --> 00:26:20,000 Speaker 1: Are gonna believe it's murder. But we've been seeing obstruction 464 00:26:20,040 --> 00:26:24,640 Speaker 1: of justice, trying to intimidate witnesses. We've seen an attempt 465 00:26:24,760 --> 00:26:29,520 Speaker 1: to prevent Mr Mueller's investigation from going forward, or day 466 00:26:29,560 --> 00:26:33,440 Speaker 1: after day, month after months. So it does take an 467 00:26:33,480 --> 00:26:36,960 Speaker 1: official inquiry run by the Congress or somebody with full 468 00:26:37,440 --> 00:26:40,600 Speaker 1: subpoena power to get it into the shape of a 469 00:26:40,800 --> 00:26:45,560 Speaker 1: full impeachable case. But that's what impeachment is is bringing 470 00:26:45,600 --> 00:26:49,360 Speaker 1: that case in public to the American people so that 471 00:26:49,440 --> 00:26:52,439 Speaker 1: we all can see what's happened, we can draw our 472 00:26:52,480 --> 00:26:55,040 Speaker 1: own conclusions. And you say, we claim seven million people, 473 00:26:55,200 --> 00:26:58,680 Speaker 1: We have seven million people. We're adding twenty thousand more 474 00:26:58,720 --> 00:27:01,879 Speaker 1: people a day. And what I'm saying is, let the 475 00:27:01,920 --> 00:27:06,600 Speaker 1: American people see it in public, not a secret criminal investigation, 476 00:27:07,000 --> 00:27:10,560 Speaker 1: but a public airing of the criminality that is part 477 00:27:10,600 --> 00:27:13,240 Speaker 1: of this White House as they one by one go 478 00:27:13,280 --> 00:27:16,840 Speaker 1: to jail and let the American people judge for themselves, 479 00:27:16,840 --> 00:27:19,680 Speaker 1: because ultimately, that's who is supposed to have the power 480 00:27:19,680 --> 00:27:21,800 Speaker 1: in the democracy, is all of the people, and we 481 00:27:22,040 --> 00:27:26,520 Speaker 1: deserve public airing for ourselves to draw the conclusion, which 482 00:27:26,560 --> 00:27:28,520 Speaker 1: I think is obvious in public. Yeah, that's well, that's 483 00:27:28,520 --> 00:27:30,360 Speaker 1: what I want to follow up on. Tom Sayer, billionaire 484 00:27:30,400 --> 00:27:34,159 Speaker 1: hedge fund manager, term progressive activists, Uh, really the driving 485 00:27:34,200 --> 00:27:36,640 Speaker 1: force on the left in terms of trying to get 486 00:27:36,640 --> 00:27:39,240 Speaker 1: impeachment proceedings. And Tom, you know this, Uh, there are 487 00:27:39,320 --> 00:27:42,640 Speaker 1: many Democrats across the country. You listed the number yourself 488 00:27:42,760 --> 00:27:44,520 Speaker 1: in terms of the petitions who agree with you, and 489 00:27:44,560 --> 00:27:47,800 Speaker 1: there's a palpable anger on the progressive left h that 490 00:27:47,840 --> 00:27:49,919 Speaker 1: agree with you. You're seeing this play out all throughout 491 00:27:49,960 --> 00:27:52,479 Speaker 1: the country. You're seeing it on the streets and major cities, 492 00:27:52,520 --> 00:27:55,760 Speaker 1: at various marches, and you also know that the right 493 00:27:55,960 --> 00:27:59,680 Speaker 1: would strongly disagree. My but but in terms of the left, 494 00:27:59,680 --> 00:28:03,720 Speaker 1: in terms of the dynamic within the Democratic Party, tonight 495 00:28:04,320 --> 00:28:08,320 Speaker 1: you saw the negotiations between Speaker Pelosi and President Trump. 496 00:28:08,520 --> 00:28:12,880 Speaker 1: Speaker Pelosi so far, sentimentarity Leader Chuck Schumer so far 497 00:28:13,560 --> 00:28:17,320 Speaker 1: have not been I would say not they're they're not 498 00:28:17,400 --> 00:28:21,160 Speaker 1: saying no, but they're not saying yes. What do you 499 00:28:21,480 --> 00:28:25,720 Speaker 1: think you're gonna have to do to get democratic leadership 500 00:28:25,800 --> 00:28:30,840 Speaker 1: to a yes? I have always thought that the power 501 00:28:30,840 --> 00:28:33,600 Speaker 1: in the democracy is supposed to be with the people. Yeah, 502 00:28:33,800 --> 00:28:37,919 Speaker 1: everything our organization does is grassroots. We're going to the people. 503 00:28:38,560 --> 00:28:41,840 Speaker 1: And I agree with you, this can't be a partisan effort. 504 00:28:42,200 --> 00:28:45,840 Speaker 1: This has to be across party lines, including, as you say, 505 00:28:46,000 --> 00:28:48,920 Speaker 1: people who you're characterizing as being on the right. My 506 00:28:49,120 --> 00:28:52,880 Speaker 1: point here is we're standing up for the rule of 507 00:28:52,960 --> 00:28:56,560 Speaker 1: law in the United States against the lawless president, and 508 00:28:56,640 --> 00:28:59,360 Speaker 1: I think it would be a fantastic thing for the 509 00:28:59,400 --> 00:29:03,480 Speaker 1: American people across every division that people try to put 510 00:29:03,520 --> 00:29:07,000 Speaker 1: amongst us, to stand up and do the right thing together, 511 00:29:07,080 --> 00:29:10,760 Speaker 1: because it's absolutely necessary. If you look at what's going 512 00:29:10,760 --> 00:29:14,680 Speaker 1: on in Washington, d C. We see a dysfunctional, divided 513 00:29:14,960 --> 00:29:19,760 Speaker 1: government at at an extreme state. If the American people 514 00:29:19,800 --> 00:29:22,280 Speaker 1: can stand up and get rid of this lawless president, 515 00:29:22,800 --> 00:29:25,520 Speaker 1: I think that would be a tremendous achievement for all 516 00:29:25,560 --> 00:29:27,440 Speaker 1: of us, and I believe it could be the first 517 00:29:27,480 --> 00:29:31,640 Speaker 1: step towards moving towards a much more cohesive America where 518 00:29:31,640 --> 00:29:35,080 Speaker 1: we agree on shared values, including the idea that nobody's 519 00:29:35,120 --> 00:29:38,240 Speaker 1: above the law. We don't want a king, We want 520 00:29:38,280 --> 00:29:41,280 Speaker 1: a president who obeys the law, regardless of whether he 521 00:29:41,480 --> 00:29:47,000 Speaker 1: or she is conservative, Liberal, Democrat, Republican. Tom Sawyer, founder 522 00:29:47,040 --> 00:29:49,240 Speaker 1: of Need to Impeach and founder and president of Next 523 00:29:49,280 --> 00:29:52,880 Speaker 1: Gen America. My guests on the phone line, appreciate your time. 524 00:29:53,280 --> 00:29:56,600 Speaker 1: Tom Sayer, Uh, come back, come and come to the bureau. Well, 525 00:29:56,640 --> 00:29:59,640 Speaker 1: we'll have you in studio. Appreciate it as always the time. 526 00:29:59,680 --> 00:30:03,040 Speaker 1: Thank you, thank you for having me and coming up. 527 00:30:03,080 --> 00:30:06,280 Speaker 1: All Star panel. Craig Gordon, the Boss d C. Bloomberg 528 00:30:06,360 --> 00:30:09,840 Speaker 1: Bureau Chief and Daniel Lippman, the co author of Politicos 529 00:30:10,160 --> 00:30:13,360 Speaker 1: must read morning tip sheet political playbook. We're gonna break 530 00:30:13,400 --> 00:30:16,640 Speaker 1: down what we just heard. Kevin Cirelli. You're listening to Bloomberg. 531 00:30:21,640 --> 00:30:26,520 Speaker 1: This is sound on with Kevin's relation on Bloomberg one 532 00:30:26,680 --> 00:30:28,640 Speaker 1: and one oh five point seven F M H D 533 00:30:28,760 --> 00:30:32,560 Speaker 1: two Boltimore. I have no idea. I've said it's personally 534 00:30:32,960 --> 00:30:35,160 Speaker 1: entirely possible that I would be Frank, but I am 535 00:30:35,240 --> 00:30:38,719 Speaker 1: highly confident that I violated no laws whatsoever in connection 536 00:30:38,800 --> 00:30:41,800 Speaker 1: with the election or anything else. And therefore I have 537 00:30:41,880 --> 00:30:45,960 Speaker 1: regarded the investigation as a politically from okivagion, which one 538 00:30:46,640 --> 00:30:48,680 Speaker 1: that was Roger Stowe a couple of weeks ago before 539 00:30:48,720 --> 00:30:51,040 Speaker 1: the holiday, when I interviewed him in the halls of 540 00:30:51,120 --> 00:30:55,360 Speaker 1: Congress because he showed up with Alex Jones outside of 541 00:30:55,520 --> 00:30:58,800 Speaker 1: a Google hearing talking about freedom of speech, and of 542 00:30:58,800 --> 00:31:00,280 Speaker 1: course I had to asked him about all of this. 543 00:31:00,400 --> 00:31:04,880 Speaker 1: He's indicted now posted bail two d bond uh in 544 00:31:04,960 --> 00:31:07,160 Speaker 1: Fort Lauderdale, and the other big story, of course, the 545 00:31:07,240 --> 00:31:09,880 Speaker 1: government set to be reopened for at least three weeks. 546 00:31:09,960 --> 00:31:13,320 Speaker 1: Daniel Littman. Everyone in Washington knows Daniel Littman, the co 547 00:31:13,480 --> 00:31:17,920 Speaker 1: author of Politico's daily must read morning tip sheet political playbook. 548 00:31:19,040 --> 00:31:23,400 Speaker 1: Where where does Washington wake up tomorrow? Daniel Lippman. I 549 00:31:23,440 --> 00:31:25,800 Speaker 1: think Washington wakes up relieve that we don't have the 550 00:31:25,840 --> 00:31:28,520 Speaker 1: shutdown that's been you know, the number one story. There's 551 00:31:28,520 --> 00:31:31,960 Speaker 1: no other story until this got resolved. Uh, and everyone 552 00:31:32,080 --> 00:31:34,440 Speaker 1: was getting exhausted by it. Uh. And we can go 553 00:31:34,560 --> 00:31:37,720 Speaker 1: back to normal course of business in Trump's Washington, which 554 00:31:37,800 --> 00:31:41,840 Speaker 1: is already completely abnormal compared to most any other administration. 555 00:31:42,040 --> 00:31:44,320 Speaker 1: But can we because you've got three weeks to get 556 00:31:44,320 --> 00:31:47,280 Speaker 1: a deal, and it seems like the major policy argument. 557 00:31:47,320 --> 00:31:50,480 Speaker 1: We even talk about Venezuela today and the situation unfolding 558 00:31:50,560 --> 00:31:54,120 Speaker 1: in Venezuela, but or or the situation with US and China. Mean, 559 00:31:54,160 --> 00:31:56,200 Speaker 1: I know you had that big scoop on ZTE and 560 00:31:56,280 --> 00:31:59,400 Speaker 1: Joe Lieberman going to be a lobbyist for the Chinese 561 00:31:59,480 --> 00:32:03,360 Speaker 1: telecom giant. But but it seems like domestically we at 562 00:32:03,440 --> 00:32:06,120 Speaker 1: least for the next three weeks. On Tuesday night, should 563 00:32:06,160 --> 00:32:08,040 Speaker 1: you decide to deliver a State of the Union address, 564 00:32:08,240 --> 00:32:12,720 Speaker 1: are gonna be talking still about the wall? In some ways, yes, 565 00:32:12,920 --> 00:32:15,440 Speaker 1: but it's hard to imagine Trump is going to shut 566 00:32:15,480 --> 00:32:17,800 Speaker 1: down the government a second time because the first time 567 00:32:17,880 --> 00:32:21,440 Speaker 1: it worked out really well for the president and so uh, 568 00:32:21,960 --> 00:32:24,040 Speaker 1: and he doesn't want to be uh. He doesn't have 569 00:32:24,080 --> 00:32:26,560 Speaker 1: another shutdown and then have to give a second time 570 00:32:26,680 --> 00:32:29,600 Speaker 1: within you know, two months. And so he's going to 571 00:32:30,000 --> 00:32:33,520 Speaker 1: get a deal of border security improvements billions of dollars 572 00:32:33,680 --> 00:32:36,600 Speaker 1: he can claim Democrats would not have given him. Uh, 573 00:32:36,680 --> 00:32:39,560 Speaker 1: And then he can keep the government reopened and move 574 00:32:39,600 --> 00:32:42,000 Speaker 1: on to something else, because this has taken a toll 575 00:32:42,080 --> 00:32:45,800 Speaker 1: on his approval ratings and has tested his loyalty of 576 00:32:45,880 --> 00:32:49,480 Speaker 1: his base. Craig Gordon, d C. Bloomberg Bureau Chief, what's 577 00:32:49,520 --> 00:32:53,440 Speaker 1: on your radar besides the shutdown? Besides Roger Stone? What 578 00:32:53,520 --> 00:32:55,720 Speaker 1: else is on your radar? When you mentioned Veezuela, it's 579 00:32:55,720 --> 00:32:58,480 Speaker 1: a pretty serious situation down there. Um, the US government 580 00:32:58,520 --> 00:33:01,000 Speaker 1: having to pull this personnel out of there. It's it's 581 00:33:01,040 --> 00:33:04,040 Speaker 1: interesting to me because, um, you know how we're all 582 00:33:04,040 --> 00:33:07,400 Speaker 1: a little numb. The United States government essentially backed a 583 00:33:07,760 --> 00:33:11,920 Speaker 1: you know, an insurgent candidate in Venezuela. They said Maduro 584 00:33:12,000 --> 00:33:14,800 Speaker 1: is not the leader anymore. Vado is. Now we say 585 00:33:14,960 --> 00:33:17,680 Speaker 1: he's the person. So that's like an unbelievably dramatic thing 586 00:33:17,720 --> 00:33:19,720 Speaker 1: that was like the seventh most interesting thing that happened 587 00:33:19,720 --> 00:33:22,680 Speaker 1: to watch this. I'm listening and I'm keeping my opinion out, 588 00:33:22,760 --> 00:33:25,200 Speaker 1: but I'm obsessed with this Venezuela story because I think 589 00:33:25,240 --> 00:33:29,800 Speaker 1: it's it's it's absolutely remarkable to have the Congress of 590 00:33:29,880 --> 00:33:34,520 Speaker 1: Venezuela elect Huangwaido and then have eleven or so countries 591 00:33:34,880 --> 00:33:39,160 Speaker 1: to back, including the US, to back uh this this 592 00:33:39,360 --> 00:33:45,080 Speaker 1: interim president. It's also remarkable that Vladimir Putin earlier, like yesterday, 593 00:33:45,320 --> 00:33:48,560 Speaker 1: picked up the telephone after President Trump announced this, and 594 00:33:48,600 --> 00:33:52,400 Speaker 1: Speaker Pelosi backed President Trump on this. It's also remarkable 595 00:33:52,440 --> 00:33:55,800 Speaker 1: that picked up the phone Craik and called Maduro right. 596 00:33:55,920 --> 00:33:57,760 Speaker 1: I mean, Daniel, let me. I mean, you can't. That's 597 00:33:57,800 --> 00:34:01,959 Speaker 1: like a spotted in playbone. Putin the Maduro best buddies. 598 00:34:02,040 --> 00:34:04,880 Speaker 1: I guess. You know. Putin is trying to have influence everywhere. 599 00:34:05,040 --> 00:34:09,239 Speaker 1: It's like Craig, I mean, as the world turns, it's 600 00:34:09,320 --> 00:34:11,799 Speaker 1: great stuff. If for if you're a journalist, probably less 601 00:34:11,800 --> 00:34:14,120 Speaker 1: great stuff of your Venezuelan um. But I'm with Dan 602 00:34:14,440 --> 00:34:17,680 Speaker 1: on the idea of the shutdown. There. You know, I 603 00:34:17,680 --> 00:34:20,399 Speaker 1: always say members of Congress are like drunken college students. 604 00:34:20,440 --> 00:34:22,640 Speaker 1: They're gonna write their paper on the night before it's 605 00:34:22,680 --> 00:34:25,400 Speaker 1: do and pull it all nighter, and so circle your 606 00:34:25,440 --> 00:34:27,880 Speaker 1: calendar on February fifteenth. It's a Friday night. As we 607 00:34:27,960 --> 00:34:29,799 Speaker 1: mentioned earlier, we're all gonna be here late as they 608 00:34:29,840 --> 00:34:32,360 Speaker 1: try to hash out a deal. The reason we can 609 00:34:32,400 --> 00:34:34,080 Speaker 1: breathe a sigh of relief because we all got our 610 00:34:34,080 --> 00:34:37,160 Speaker 1: weekend back this weekend. Uh, those federal workers got their paychecks, 611 00:34:37,200 --> 00:34:39,200 Speaker 1: will get their paychecks. But we now are going to 612 00:34:39,280 --> 00:34:41,200 Speaker 1: go into another you know, sort of three weeks log 613 00:34:41,320 --> 00:34:43,920 Speaker 1: that will only get resolved probably the final minute, and 614 00:34:44,000 --> 00:34:46,719 Speaker 1: who knows, maybe another shutdown, maybe not. I I'm a 615 00:34:46,800 --> 00:34:49,120 Speaker 1: dan on that to no no second shutdown. I hope 616 00:34:49,120 --> 00:34:51,200 Speaker 1: your kids aren't listening. Creig, I want to thank you 617 00:34:51,440 --> 00:34:55,320 Speaker 1: to the all star panel about the and the drunken 618 00:34:55,360 --> 00:34:57,719 Speaker 1: colleagues kids up in Congress. You've finally got a deal 619 00:34:57,800 --> 00:35:00,399 Speaker 1: three weeks Craig Gordon, my boss, Daniel let me my friend, 620 00:35:00,480 --> 00:35:03,920 Speaker 1: the co author of political playbook Roger Stones, and jail 621 00:35:04,280 --> 00:35:07,239 Speaker 1: are likely going he's out on bail. Michael Capudo for 622 00:35:07,440 --> 00:35:10,000 Speaker 1: calling in, and Tom Styre, I'm Kevin Currelli. You're listening 623 00:35:10,000 --> 00:35:12,040 Speaker 1: to Bloomberg. Have a good weekend.