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Speaker 1: If you want Colts talk all year long, you're in

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Speaker 1: the right place. Caught over the medal.

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Speaker 2: Michael Pittman Junior.

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Speaker 1: In the Indiana Union Construction Industry Radio studio. Let's get

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Speaker 2: The Official Coats Podcast right here, right now front and

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Speaker 2: I mean fresh fresh from New York City, Manhattan, gal

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Speaker 2: right there, Lara Olverton on Super Bowl weekend, you were

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Speaker 2: out in New York City. I want to hear about that.

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Speaker 2: Hold that thought. We also have JJ Stakobit's with us

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Speaker 2: as usual, a great interview we're going to be looking

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Speaker 2: forward to in a couple of minutes. You can check

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Speaker 2: it out right here. Trevor sick them off from Pro

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Speaker 2: Football Focus can go over a little lay of the

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Speaker 2: land where we're at right now. Upcoming combine and a

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Speaker 2: lot of roster questions. Do that With JJ Sankowitz, I'll

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Speaker 2: get to you and your Super Bowl. I want to

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Speaker 2: know about your dietary habits with the family. But hold

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Speaker 4: Who isn't here for dietary?

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Speaker 2: I mean we're going to talk some food. It's a

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Speaker 2: I've got some good stuff to get out there when

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Speaker 2: it comes to the edibles, But not those edibles I'm

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Speaker 2: talking about. I'm talking about stuff you actually eat. But

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Speaker 4: With him forty eight hours. Very good friend of mine

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Speaker 4: So we were doing like, you know, a lot of

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Speaker 2: Exactly same thing always happened, Laria. I know what happens

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Speaker 1: Right, we're getting there, Like if you look at their

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Speaker 2: And as always, colts dot com has all the latest information. JJ,

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Speaker 2: That's wonderful. Let's go, can't wait, Let's go to Hall

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Speaker 1: Yeah to me, Reggie Wayne is it's such an encapsulation

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Speaker 1: I don't understand how we're having a thirty seven minute

437
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Speaker 1: discussion about one of the best receivers in postseason history

438
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Speaker 1: and one of the most productive receivers in regular season history.

439
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Speaker 1: If the problem with Reggie Wayne is that his quarterback

440
00:18:54,960 --> 00:18:56,760
Speaker 1: was too good, the other wide receiver on his team

441
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Speaker 1: was too good, what are we doing here?

442
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Speaker 2: Right? Right?

443
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Speaker 1: That's not Reggie. That's not Reggie's fault.

444
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Speaker 2: And like you said, Reggie, come Reggie on his behalf.

445
00:19:05,359 --> 00:19:07,520
Speaker 2: He said, Hey, I waited six or seven years to

446
00:19:07,560 --> 00:19:09,840
Speaker 2: be the number one receiver here in Indiana and then

447
00:19:09,880 --> 00:19:10,200
Speaker 2: he was.

448
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Speaker 1: So I liked that.

449
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Speaker 2: And he was one seventy receptions, fourteen three hundred and

450
00:19:15,200 --> 00:19:18,639
Speaker 2: forty five yards, eighty two touchdowns. What is going on?

451
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Speaker 2: I mean, Reggie, when you're talking about Larry Fitzgerald's up

452
00:19:21,800 --> 00:19:23,520
Speaker 2: here though, so I'm saying, like he's a walk in

453
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Speaker 2: first ballot Hall of Famer in my opinion, But Reggie's

454
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Speaker 2: up there top ten in all these categories, Lara, what

455
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Speaker 2: is going on.

456
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Speaker 4: With this thing?

457
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Speaker 2: Is it just the numbers of the year that come

458
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Speaker 2: up with these eligible players? Reggie Wayne has always been

459
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Speaker 2: in the top five almost of his career and personal statistics.

460
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Speaker 2: I'm sorry, but I'm heated about this.

461
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Speaker 4: One of the things that I've talked with Mike Chappel about,

462
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Speaker 4: even you know, prior to Reggie being on the ballot

463
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Speaker 4: this year, this is going back years, is how much

464
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Speaker 4: his playoff numbers should speak for themselves and put him

465
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Speaker 4: over the top among all of these other people that

466
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Speaker 4: you might be debating with. And I'm sorry, I just

467
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Speaker 4: look at Devin Hester and Andre Johnson getting in ahead

468
00:20:02,560 --> 00:20:06,520
Speaker 4: of Reggie and it's head scratching. It's just it's how

469
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Speaker 4: no offense to either of those guys, both great players.

470
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Speaker 4: Are those guys superior to Reggie Wayne.

471
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Speaker 1: So if the Andre Johnson argument to me seems to

472
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Speaker 1: be he played on teams that didn't have a quarterback

473
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Speaker 1: and he was always the number one guy boom and

474
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Speaker 1: he did you know, he led the league in receiving.

475
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Speaker 1: He's a two time All Pro. Andre Johnson is a

476
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Speaker 1: deserving Hall of Famer, absolutely, but it's almost like Reggie's

477
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Speaker 1: the success that the Colts had and well, you know

478
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Speaker 1: they got, you know, hall of famer at quarterback, a

479
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Speaker 1: Hall of Famer at running back, a Hall of Famer

480
00:20:39,160 --> 00:20:42,120
Speaker 1: at wide receiver in Marvin is being held against him

481
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Speaker 1: in a way that's just like so if you put

482
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Speaker 1: Reggie flipped those two guys, and Reggie Wayne was on

483
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Speaker 1: the Texans, I think he's putting up the same numbers

484
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Speaker 1: and Andre Johnson comes here, He's putting up the same numbers.

485
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Speaker 1: It's like, well, Andre Johnson can't get in. You know,

486
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Speaker 1: we gotta get Reggie Wayne in first understood like circumstances

487
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Speaker 1: if you just break off and remember what Reggie did.

488
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Speaker 1: And I'm coming from out of town, like I didn't

489
00:21:10,040 --> 00:21:13,359
Speaker 1: grow up here, but you knew who Reggie Wayne was.

490
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Speaker 1: He was always one of the players who you wanted

491
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Speaker 1: to get on your team in Madden because he's really

492
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Speaker 1: good as a kid. And like I I just don't

493
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Speaker 1: understand another playoff stuff like you mentioned, is a is

494
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Speaker 1: it Reggie's fault that he just played at a bunch

495
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Speaker 1: of playoff games he got the Colts to playoff games.

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Speaker 1: I'm just telling you won a Super Bowl because he

497
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Speaker 1: had a fifty three yard reception.

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Speaker 2: And like you said, you talked about it in the

499
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Speaker 2: first thing you said, you talked about it. He did

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Speaker 2: that with a Hall of Famer over on the other

501
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Speaker 2: side of him for six seven years. I mean, that's

502
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Speaker 2: something that has to be considered as well as postseason

503
00:21:43,840 --> 00:21:44,760
Speaker 2: statistics as well.

504
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Speaker 1: But okay, okay, So Reggie, after Marvin Harrison retired, he

505
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Speaker 1: averaged eighty five catches for eleven hundred yards per season

506
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Speaker 1: as the number one wide receiver. He spanned two quarterbacks

507
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Speaker 1: in Peyton Manning and Andrew Luck And okay, after Peyton left. Sure, yeah,

508
00:22:01,960 --> 00:22:04,400
Speaker 1: like he had that one really good year in twenty twelve,

509
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Speaker 1: But he's in He's thirty four at the rookie quarterback

510
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Speaker 1: with a rookie quarterback who he helped get off the

511
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Speaker 1: ground and helped mentor and be kind of that that

512
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Speaker 1: guiding player. Two. He led the league in receiving the

513
00:22:16,680 --> 00:22:20,160
Speaker 1: first year after Marvin Harrison retire, Get him fifteen hundred yards.

514
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Speaker 1: If that doesn't tell you how great a player he is,

515
00:22:23,600 --> 00:22:25,960
Speaker 1: then what does. But like you mentioned, Jeffrey there's this

516
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Speaker 1: log jam where Tory Holt, another deserving guy, didn't get

517
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Speaker 1: a lot of consideration. Now you're looking at you know,

518
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Speaker 1: Larry Fitzgerald's a first ballot guy. Steve Smith Junior is

519
00:22:35,680 --> 00:22:38,359
Speaker 1: going to be up there, and when does the window

520
00:22:38,440 --> 00:22:41,200
Speaker 1: open for REGGI Wayne to get in. Peter King also

521
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Speaker 1: in that same column he listed off kind of his

522
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Speaker 1: like top twelve for twenty twenty five. Adam Ventari was

523
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Speaker 1: second on his list. That's great good. Adam Vanentiy is

524
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Speaker 1: the greatest kicker of all time. Put him in the

525
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Speaker 1: Hall of fame. Reggie Wayne was twelfth.

526
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Speaker 2: Out of twelve. Yeah, and Peter King does have his

527
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Speaker 2: pulse on stuff like that.

528
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Speaker 4: Canton's just not ready for the party.

529
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Speaker 2: That's right, how about that? But but next year what

530
00:23:00,160 --> 00:23:02,480
Speaker 2: a party? Think about it? Reggie goes in with Venetarry

531
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Speaker 2: is Vantary? Is Adam Venditary? We're simply guessing here, no

532
00:23:05,920 --> 00:23:08,560
Speaker 2: insider information or trading. Is he a first ballot?

533
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Speaker 4: Yeah? I mean I think what was the debate? You said,

534
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Speaker 4: this very shortest debate was eight minutes. Yeah, I would

535
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Speaker 4: imagine the conversation for Adam Vinitieri has to go less

536
00:23:19,760 --> 00:23:19,960
Speaker 4: than that.

537
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Speaker 1: In my opinion, you'd think, except the Hall of Fame

538
00:23:23,560 --> 00:23:27,879
Speaker 1: has this like weird gate keeping thing with specialists.

539
00:23:27,720 --> 00:23:30,760
Speaker 2: Where there's two in right now is there?

540
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Speaker 1: There's there's the kicker, right uh stener Rude the punter

541
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Speaker 1: not Ray guy, but not Ray guy, but the other one?

542
00:23:38,600 --> 00:23:41,800
Speaker 1: Oh is it Ray Guy? There's a punter in and

543
00:23:41,880 --> 00:23:45,639
Speaker 1: now Devin Hester is in right And to me, like,

544
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Speaker 1: I am you know, I grew up in Chicago. I'm

545
00:23:47,720 --> 00:23:49,320
Speaker 1: probably biased. Devin Hester should have been in.

546
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Speaker 4: But you're the all time leading score in the NFL.

547
00:23:53,040 --> 00:23:56,040
Speaker 1: Like, but well so, Adam Vanitii is the greatest kicker

548
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Speaker 1: in NFL history. He won how many Super Bowls? He

549
00:23:59,040 --> 00:24:00,440
Speaker 1: should be in the Hall of Fame.

550
00:24:01,240 --> 00:24:05,679
Speaker 4: But the problem NFL records for field goals made, postseason points,

551
00:24:05,760 --> 00:24:07,080
Speaker 4: overtime field goals made.

552
00:24:07,840 --> 00:24:11,399
Speaker 1: But I feel like he should be. He absolutely should be.

553
00:24:11,720 --> 00:24:13,399
Speaker 1: But I feel like there's part of me that's like,

554
00:24:13,720 --> 00:24:15,360
Speaker 1: you know, we'll see this Peter King column a year

555
00:24:15,359 --> 00:24:18,480
Speaker 1: from today and it's like anavententarian thirty five minutes of

556
00:24:18,600 --> 00:24:22,879
Speaker 1: discussion about him for four four super bowl I'm like one.

557
00:24:22,840 --> 00:24:24,520
Speaker 4: One with two different franchises.

558
00:24:24,920 --> 00:24:28,120
Speaker 1: Adam, the Colts don't win the Super Bowl against the Bears,

559
00:24:28,160 --> 00:24:30,400
Speaker 1: probably without an invententary, the way he keeps in that game.

560
00:24:30,720 --> 00:24:32,520
Speaker 2: And how about the Baltimore game. Wow, right there, I

561
00:24:32,560 --> 00:24:33,560
Speaker 2: mean the one leading up to that.

562
00:24:34,560 --> 00:24:37,359
Speaker 1: This is the Hall of Fame should not be limited

563
00:24:37,400 --> 00:24:39,880
Speaker 1: to five modern era players per year.

564
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Speaker 2: If they're deserving, get him in, regardless of eight some

565
00:24:43,560 --> 00:24:45,160
Speaker 2: years it's nine, other years it's three.

566
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Speaker 1: That's what. So the things that the NFL Hall of

567
00:24:49,119 --> 00:24:52,080
Speaker 1: Fame does well, I think their selection committee is a

568
00:24:52,119 --> 00:24:54,600
Speaker 1: good idea where you draw from writers, you draw from

569
00:24:54,760 --> 00:24:57,719
Speaker 1: current Hall of famers, coaches, executives, you get them all

570
00:24:57,720 --> 00:25:00,000
Speaker 1: together in a room and it's a good mix of opinions.

571
00:25:00,359 --> 00:25:02,960
Speaker 1: The thing the Baseball Hall of Fame gets wrong is

572
00:25:03,080 --> 00:25:07,480
Speaker 1: they have this like huge Baseball Writers selection committee that

573
00:25:07,520 --> 00:25:10,600
Speaker 1: anyone who's been in the BBWAA for ten years gets

574
00:25:10,640 --> 00:25:13,080
Speaker 1: a Well of Fame vote. But if you covered the

575
00:25:13,560 --> 00:25:15,520
Speaker 1: Detroit Tigers for ten years and then you want to

576
00:25:15,560 --> 00:25:17,560
Speaker 1: go work for Golf Digest, you still have a vote,

577
00:25:18,240 --> 00:25:20,680
Speaker 1: and it's like, Okay, you're not even having active people

578
00:25:21,280 --> 00:25:23,879
Speaker 1: cover baseball. They've tried to, like, but that part of

579
00:25:23,920 --> 00:25:25,840
Speaker 1: it is flawed. The thing that the Baseball Hall of

580
00:25:25,880 --> 00:25:29,040
Speaker 1: Fame gets right. Is you get up to ten choices

581
00:25:29,119 --> 00:25:31,600
Speaker 1: on your ballot. You can have a Hall of Fame

582
00:25:31,680 --> 00:25:35,359
Speaker 1: class that is ten people. Theoretically, some years it'll be that,

583
00:25:35,480 --> 00:25:37,639
Speaker 1: some years it'll be one or two. This year, I

584
00:25:37,680 --> 00:25:40,720
Speaker 1: think it's three because there are three deserving people to

585
00:25:40,760 --> 00:25:43,600
Speaker 1: get in this. You look at this and it's like,

586
00:25:44,280 --> 00:25:46,680
Speaker 1: this should be eight people, but now there's this logjam.

587
00:25:47,000 --> 00:25:49,720
Speaker 1: You should honestly like a fifteen per We're we're.

588
00:25:49,560 --> 00:25:51,600
Speaker 2: Going to get back to that logjam. Another coach, great

589
00:25:51,680 --> 00:25:54,200
Speaker 2: Robert Mathis, is going to be up for induction in

590
00:25:54,280 --> 00:25:57,080
Speaker 2: the Hall of Fame with similar statistics as Dwight Freemie.

591
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Speaker 2: Dwight Freey. Good segue there, because I want to talk

592
00:26:00,240 --> 00:26:03,440
Speaker 2: about him briefly and what he did in your you've

593
00:26:03,520 --> 00:26:06,560
Speaker 2: been around here forever, you haven't what's your biggest memory

594
00:26:06,720 --> 00:26:09,040
Speaker 2: of Freeenie outside of the spin move that's off the

595
00:26:09,119 --> 00:26:11,560
Speaker 2: field and in the locker room and on the playing field.

596
00:26:12,680 --> 00:26:16,480
Speaker 4: Oh my god, it's the presence, right, It's that like

597
00:26:16,720 --> 00:26:20,280
Speaker 4: he's a guy you feel even before you see him,

598
00:26:20,400 --> 00:26:22,399
Speaker 4: like if you're on the field, if you're in the

599
00:26:22,440 --> 00:26:27,200
Speaker 4: locker room, practice field, wherever you were, like like you

600
00:26:27,400 --> 00:26:30,680
Speaker 4: knew when Dwight Freedi entered through the energy shifts. It's

601
00:26:30,720 --> 00:26:34,800
Speaker 4: the presence, it's the dynamic. It's like that everyone elevates

602
00:26:34,800 --> 00:26:39,119
Speaker 4: a little bit, right like when you're around him. I

603
00:26:39,200 --> 00:26:41,399
Speaker 4: feel like that that is that influence he had across

604
00:26:41,560 --> 00:26:45,520
Speaker 4: that defense, kind of with the attitude that he in

605
00:26:45,640 --> 00:26:50,480
Speaker 4: compliment to that Robert brought for all of the attention

606
00:26:51,200 --> 00:26:54,560
Speaker 4: that was on the offense in that era, and rightfully so,

607
00:26:56,080 --> 00:26:59,680
Speaker 4: Dwight Freeny made the case that everyone started to take

608
00:26:59,720 --> 00:27:03,200
Speaker 4: notice the defense finally, and that unit got the respect

609
00:27:03,359 --> 00:27:06,560
Speaker 4: and the admiration and the recognition that they deserve. For

610
00:27:06,760 --> 00:27:10,680
Speaker 4: how much of the success that continued in sustained success

611
00:27:10,800 --> 00:27:15,240
Speaker 4: across that decade. Yes, was awesome with Peyton and Marvin

612
00:27:15,359 --> 00:27:18,240
Speaker 4: and Reggie and Dallas and everybody who was a part

613
00:27:18,320 --> 00:27:22,840
Speaker 4: of that Edrin whatever, Joseph I, but how can you not.

614
00:27:23,200 --> 00:27:26,080
Speaker 4: That's where I feel like Dwight was the driving force

615
00:27:26,280 --> 00:27:30,720
Speaker 4: behind making sure from a national perspective, locally, I think

616
00:27:30,760 --> 00:27:34,000
Speaker 4: a lot of people loved the attitude of that defense

617
00:27:34,040 --> 00:27:37,040
Speaker 4: and they respected it. From a national perspective, that defense

618
00:27:37,160 --> 00:27:39,760
Speaker 4: was never going to get it to do without Dwight

619
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Speaker 4: Freeney and kind of bringing a level of swagger, and

620
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Speaker 4: I mean that in like a you know, a very

621
00:27:45,480 --> 00:27:48,520
Speaker 4: like just he had that kind of bravada right. You

622
00:27:48,640 --> 00:27:53,440
Speaker 4: took notice. He made everybody look again and just really

623
00:27:53,720 --> 00:27:56,040
Speaker 4: appreciate and respect what that defense was about.

624
00:27:55,920 --> 00:27:58,960
Speaker 2: Making news at Syracuse University from his second to last

625
00:27:59,040 --> 00:28:01,480
Speaker 2: year to his last year. He was an undersized guy.

626
00:28:01,600 --> 00:28:03,480
Speaker 2: I mean, this guy was not looked upon by all

627
00:28:03,520 --> 00:28:06,600
Speaker 2: the NFL you know, gurus and guys that know everything.

628
00:28:06,680 --> 00:28:08,320
Speaker 2: This is not a guy Bill polly In. He didn't

629
00:28:08,320 --> 00:28:11,000
Speaker 2: see that took him eleventh overall, and the rest is history.

630
00:28:11,040 --> 00:28:12,760
Speaker 2: He's like presence. I love the fact he went in

631
00:28:12,840 --> 00:28:15,680
Speaker 2: with Julius Peppers because think about those two dominant guys

632
00:28:15,720 --> 00:28:18,080
Speaker 2: that are coming from each you know, opposite end is

633
00:28:18,200 --> 00:28:21,920
Speaker 2: a you know, a nightmare for any quarterback thinking to

634
00:28:21,920 --> 00:28:24,040
Speaker 2: those two. But I'm glad that he got in with Royalty.

635
00:28:24,080 --> 00:28:26,399
Speaker 2: One hundred and fifty nine total sex for Peppers, one

636
00:28:26,480 --> 00:28:28,359
Speaker 2: hundred and twenty five and a half for Dwight Freeney.

637
00:28:28,480 --> 00:28:31,320
Speaker 2: So the mathis discussion will continue. Venit. Terry's going to

638
00:28:31,359 --> 00:28:33,200
Speaker 2: be in there next year. We all kind of agree

639
00:28:33,240 --> 00:28:36,040
Speaker 2: on that and knock on wood wherever it's at. Reggie Wayne,

640
00:28:36,040 --> 00:28:38,360
Speaker 2: who's from New Orleans, goes in there next year as well.

641
00:28:38,480 --> 00:28:41,200
Speaker 2: So anyway, I enjoyed the whole thing. Colt's presence and

642
00:28:41,240 --> 00:28:44,520
Speaker 2: obviously the dominance the decade plus that Peyton Manning and

643
00:28:44,560 --> 00:28:46,960
Speaker 2: everyone had them around him. They're not done. More Hall

644
00:28:46,960 --> 00:28:48,080
Speaker 2: of Fame members are coming.

645
00:28:48,320 --> 00:28:48,680
Speaker 1: You never know.

646
00:28:48,760 --> 00:28:50,360
Speaker 2: We might host a Hall of Fame game next year

647
00:28:50,440 --> 00:28:50,800
Speaker 2: or be in it.

648
00:28:51,160 --> 00:28:51,480
Speaker 1: We'll see.

649
00:28:51,560 --> 00:28:54,080
Speaker 2: That's up right, You love that? I mean, that's that's all.

650
00:28:54,560 --> 00:28:57,960
Speaker 2: You would love that. That's an extra preseason game for you,

651
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Speaker 2: an extra week of travel for you. Come on, you

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Speaker 2: love that, right? Yeah.

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Speaker 1: It cuts the summer short a little bit, so, I mean, hey,

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Speaker 1: it gives the coaches an extra week to coach though.

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Speaker 4: That's it.

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Speaker 1: That's not a bad thing.

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Speaker 2: Hey, can't wait, and we're already starting to countdown. I

658
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Speaker 2: know with you because we always talk about it. Hey,

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Speaker 2: how many Digital training camp opens up? Larra Overton will

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Speaker 2: be on and say she'll be at that. Hey, we

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Speaker 2: got one hundred and sixteen days before we're up up

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Speaker 2: at training camp. So a lot more to talk about again.

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Speaker 2: Colts Audio Network, you can find out the latest of

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Speaker 2: what we're talking about in Colts Dot com obviously all

665
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Speaker 2: the time. Now time let's throw to a friend of

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Speaker 2: the show, a guy that you've known a long time

667
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Speaker 2: from Pro Football Focus, JJ stank if it's had a

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Speaker 2: chance to sit down with Trevor Sikima and here.

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Speaker 4: It is all right.

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Speaker 1: Joining me here on the Official Colts podcast is Trevor

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Speaker 1: Sikima from Pro Football Focus. Trevor, I wanted to bring

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Speaker 1: you on just to get kind of a lay of

673
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Speaker 1: the land of the NFL as we kind of digest

674
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Speaker 1: the Super Bowl, we digest all the food that we

675
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Speaker 1: ate during the Super Bowl and the outcome of that game,

676
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Speaker 1: and just see what what the NFL landscape looks like

677
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Speaker 1: as the Colts enter it with you know, a good

678
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Speaker 1: amount of cap space, a quarterback on a rookie contract,

679
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Speaker 1: and some flexibility that Chris Ballard talked about. This team

680
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Speaker 1: hasn't had it a little bit. So I guess, just

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Speaker 1: to start off, Trevor, what's the big storyline that you

682
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Speaker 1: think fans here in Indianapolis should know that we will

683
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Speaker 1: learn kind of how it ends maybe within the next month.

684
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Speaker 1: The next month being kind of the middle of that

685
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Speaker 1: free agency week where you know, contracts can be executed,

686
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Speaker 1: but they can be agreed to beforehand. Like, what's like

687
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Speaker 1: that main thing that you think will define the twenty

688
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Speaker 1: twenty four offseason.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, as an NFL draft analyst, I'm not just saying

690
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Speaker 3: this because of my job title, but I think it's

691
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Speaker 3: really going to be that this draft coming up in

692
00:30:45,240 --> 00:30:48,640
Speaker 3: twenty twenty four is really good, and it's really good

693
00:30:48,720 --> 00:30:53,600
Speaker 3: at the premium positions quarterback, offensive tackle, pass rushers, wide receivers,

694
00:30:53,680 --> 00:30:56,400
Speaker 3: lockdown corners, like it's got it all. I think the

695
00:30:56,520 --> 00:30:58,360
Speaker 3: top one hundred of this draft is going to be

696
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Speaker 3: littered with future ANDFL starters and some Pro Bowl players,

697
00:31:02,520 --> 00:31:05,680
Speaker 3: small pro players as well. And I think that, you know,

698
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Speaker 3: to answer your question, what might we learn over the

699
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Speaker 3: next month, Well, you know, as the combine comes around

700
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Speaker 3: and we get to see some of these guys, you know,

701
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Speaker 3: put their athleticism on display for all of us to

702
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Speaker 3: kind of ooh and ah. When we get to free agency,

703
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Speaker 3: I think that we're going to see teams be less

704
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Speaker 3: aggressive than in years past because of how deep and

705
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Speaker 3: talented this upcoming draft class is. You know, when you

706
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Speaker 3: talk with general managers, you talk about team building. I

707
00:31:34,600 --> 00:31:37,680
Speaker 3: think every team in the NFL wants to be built

708
00:31:37,760 --> 00:31:40,280
Speaker 3: through the draft, right, it's a healthy way to have

709
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Speaker 3: a good team. You know, Chris Ballard is somebody who

710
00:31:43,240 --> 00:31:45,680
Speaker 3: knows that very well. He wants to build his organization

711
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Speaker 3: through the draft, but you need to supplement some of

712
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Speaker 3: your needs through free agency. And you know, part of

713
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Speaker 3: the draft game is making sure that you don't pigeonhole

714
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Speaker 3: yourself before the draft even begins, like, oh, this team

715
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Speaker 3: wasn't able to get anybody in free agency. Now they

716
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Speaker 3: have to go this direction, and all of a sudden,

717
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Speaker 3: you know, if the draft falls a certain way, a

718
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Speaker 3: guy's falling, you feel like you can't take the chance

719
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Speaker 3: because you're swung and you struck out in free agency.

720
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Speaker 3: So it's always a marrying of those two parts of

721
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Speaker 3: the offseason. But there are certainly some years more than others,

722
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Speaker 3: where if the draft class doesn't look as strong, either

723
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Speaker 3: as a whole or at certain positions, you will see

724
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Speaker 3: teams bid more or have more of a frenzy when

725
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Speaker 3: it comes to certain players in free agency. And I

726
00:32:27,120 --> 00:32:30,560
Speaker 3: think certainly guys will garner a lot of money, and

727
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Speaker 3: we'll certainly see some big names, you know, re sign

728
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Speaker 3: for a lot or maybe move places. But I think

729
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Speaker 3: as a whole. The depth of major contracts in this

730
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Speaker 3: upcoming free agency, I think is going to be less

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Speaker 3: than in previous years because a lot of teams are

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Speaker 3: gonna say, well, we don't get this guy, okay, but

733
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Speaker 3: we'll just signed some veteran and we can really hit

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Speaker 3: on it within the first three rounds of this draft.

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Speaker 3: So I feel like that's a big storyline that we're

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Speaker 3: gonna learn over the next month.

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Speaker 1: I checked out your mock draft you did on PFF

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Speaker 1: dot Com. Fans, you can go check that out, which

739
00:33:02,600 --> 00:33:05,480
Speaker 1: was really interesting to kind of have all the machinations

740
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Speaker 1: of the trades in there. But like you said, the

741
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Speaker 1: premium positions and the one that you know a lot

742
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Speaker 1: of folks here in Indianapolis are fixated on is wide receiver.

743
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Speaker 1: You got Marvin Harrison, Junior, Malik Neighbors, Roma Dunze all

744
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Speaker 1: going really high in that draft. Where's the beyond those

745
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Speaker 1: three guys when you think about that position and maybe

746
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Speaker 1: just you know, pass catchers as a whole, because you

747
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Speaker 1: had Brock Bauers going down to the Bengals a belower

748
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Speaker 1: the Colts are picking, where does the drop like how

749
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Speaker 1: big of a drop off is it from maybe those

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Speaker 1: three guys maybe if you want to include Bowers in

751
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Speaker 1: there or not to that next grouping of players in

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Speaker 1: the draft, because the Colt's picking at fifteen, you're probably

753
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Speaker 1: not getting, you know, a Marvin Harrison Junior, A Neighbors,

754
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Speaker 1: and a Douneza. But where's kind of that gap between

755
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Speaker 1: maybe the next guys in this year's draft.

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Speaker 3: No, this is it's just a really good wide receiver class.

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Speaker 3: It really is. Of course, at the very top, those

758
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Speaker 3: three guys that you mentioned their households already at this

759
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Speaker 3: point for a reason. You know, I kind of feel

760
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Speaker 3: bad from Elak, Neighbors in Romodunze because basically in any

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Speaker 3: other receiver class they'd be wide receiver one, and they're

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Speaker 3: sitting in here with the class of Marvin Harrison Junior.

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Speaker 3: And I think all three of those guys are going

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Speaker 3: to go on the top ten because of it. In

765
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Speaker 3: the NFL is really going to gravitate towards offense in

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Speaker 3: this upcoming NFL draft, especially in the top half. But

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Speaker 3: the drop off really, I don't mean this as any

768
00:34:23,840 --> 00:34:26,960
Speaker 3: slight to those guys. It's not super steep. You know,

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Speaker 3: you've got guys like Brian Thomas Junior, from LSU, Troy

770
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Speaker 3: Franklin from Oregon, Ady Mitchell from Texas, Lad McConkey from Georgia,

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Speaker 3: Ricky Piersoll from Florida, Roman Wilson from Michigan. There's a

772
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Speaker 3: ton of guys and I'm just rattling off the top

773
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Speaker 3: of my head that could be potential first round picks

774
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Speaker 3: as well, depending on what your flavor is, if you

775
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Speaker 3: want a bigger guy, if you want to shift your

776
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Speaker 3: player in the slot, if you want more of a

777
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Speaker 3: vertical threat player. So there's a lot of wide receivers

778
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Speaker 3: to choose from in this class. It really is a

779
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Speaker 3: loaded group this year. And then you know, if you

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Speaker 3: throw tight ends in, it's a little bit of a

781
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Speaker 3: different story. Brock Bauers is to me the very clear

782
00:35:04,520 --> 00:35:07,080
Speaker 3: cut tight end one in this class. He's been one

783
00:35:07,120 --> 00:35:08,880
Speaker 3: of the best players in all of college football over

784
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Speaker 3: the last three years. But the gap between him and

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Speaker 3: who I think is going to be the universal tight

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Speaker 3: end two in this class, Jatavian Sanders from Texas. He's

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Speaker 3: a big dude, man, I mean he is, you know,

788
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Speaker 3: six foot five, two hundred and fifty, two hundred and

789
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Speaker 3: fifty five pounds, runs extremely well. I mean He's not

790
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Speaker 3: just a vertical linear athlete either, Like he can change

791
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Speaker 3: direction very well, the footwork is very quick. He's a

792
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Speaker 3: former five star for a reason because of that athleticism.

793
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Speaker 3: And honestly, if he was on maybe any other team

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Speaker 3: in the country, I think that we're talking about this

795
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Speaker 3: guy as an easy first round pick. He just happened

796
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Speaker 3: to be on a Texas team that had ad Mitchell,

797
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Speaker 3: that had Jonathan Brooks to hand the ball off to,

798
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Speaker 3: that ha Xavier Worthy, that had Jordan Whittington, and it

799
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Speaker 3: was just there's only one football. So he just really

800
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Speaker 3: was kind of lower on the pecking order when it

801
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Speaker 3: came to volume of targets. But I think that he

802
00:35:58,000 --> 00:36:01,000
Speaker 3: could certainly be a bad back end of the first round,

803
00:36:01,080 --> 00:36:03,280
Speaker 3: early part of the second round tight end. His talent

804
00:36:03,360 --> 00:36:06,759
Speaker 3: definitely warrants that, and then you get a pretty big

805
00:36:06,880 --> 00:36:08,960
Speaker 3: drop off. So I think a lot of people look

806
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Speaker 3: at Bowers and they say, Wow, look at how great

807
00:36:10,960 --> 00:36:14,520
Speaker 3: Rock Bowers Isn't he is? But Jatavian Sanders is also

808
00:36:14,719 --> 00:36:17,320
Speaker 3: right there. However, the scarcity of that tight end spot

809
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Speaker 3: might make people draft him in the first round because

810
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Speaker 3: they don't want to let him get to the second

811
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Speaker 3: knowing there's probably a lot of teams in the beginning

812
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Speaker 3: of the second round they're going to want to do that.

813
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Speaker 3: And then if you miss out on those two at

814
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Speaker 3: tight end, and we start talking about all right, mid

815
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Speaker 3: round pick guys who are good football players, but you know,

816
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Speaker 3: Jaheim bel Cage, Stover, Ben sonat those guys who are

817
00:36:37,520 --> 00:36:40,920
Speaker 3: probably more third fourth round picks and aren't these immediate

818
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Speaker 3: tight end one potential types of players.

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Speaker 1: Usually the teams that are picking in the top ten,

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Speaker 1: we'll call it. You know, they usually need those premium positions,

821
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Speaker 1: right they need a quarterback, they need a wide receiver,

822
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Speaker 1: they need a left tackle, three positions that seem to

823
00:36:55,719 --> 00:36:59,120
Speaker 1: be pretty deep this year. But if you're you're picking

824
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Speaker 1: kind of outside to that, would that potentially, you know,

825
00:37:02,680 --> 00:37:05,719
Speaker 1: say you're talking about this may lead to you know,

826
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Speaker 1: less aggressive spending and free agency. If you're picking outside

827
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Speaker 1: of that, could that potentially open up a world where

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Speaker 1: wide receiver needy teams that have a top ten pick say, hey,

829
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Speaker 1: you know what, maybe we won't go after player acts

830
00:37:19,440 --> 00:37:21,839
Speaker 1: or player why. That then opens it up for those

831
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Speaker 1: teams in that you know, eleven to twenty range. Like

832
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Speaker 1: the culture you got, you know, a guy on Michael

833
00:37:26,040 --> 00:37:29,279
Speaker 1: Pittman Junior, whether he you know, comes back, you know,

834
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Speaker 1: it can be kind of a top guy there. But

835
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Speaker 1: maybe it opens up, as I'm just kind of thinking

836
00:37:32,680 --> 00:37:34,640
Speaker 1: a lot of you, maybe that opens up more opportunities

837
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Speaker 1: for veterans to change teams in that group of teams

838
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Speaker 1: that may be like just miss the playoffs a little

839
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Speaker 1: bit as opposed to teams that are farther away, who

840
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Speaker 1: could say, yeah, we'll just go get you know, a

841
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Speaker 1: Dunees with the seventh eighth overall pick.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: I wonder how it's going to play out. It's gonna

844
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Speaker 3: be interesting.

845
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Speaker 2: You know.

846
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Speaker 3: You mentioned a guy like Michael Pittman, and T Higgins

847
00:37:55,440 --> 00:37:57,279
Speaker 3: is another one that everybody likes to talk about. You know,

848
00:37:57,360 --> 00:37:59,480
Speaker 3: Mike Gavans is a free agent as well. So I mean,

849
00:37:59,520 --> 00:38:02,000
Speaker 3: it's just a handful of guys out there that you

850
00:38:02,160 --> 00:38:05,560
Speaker 3: know are going to command money because they're proven assets.

851
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Speaker 3: And I do think that that definitely has value. The

852
00:38:08,560 --> 00:38:11,200
Speaker 3: fact that you have dominated at that level like those

853
00:38:11,239 --> 00:38:13,560
Speaker 3: three guys have in the NFL, I think there's always

854
00:38:13,600 --> 00:38:15,279
Speaker 3: going to be a market for it. But it is

855
00:38:15,360 --> 00:38:18,920
Speaker 3: going to be interesting to see how every team plays out,

856
00:38:19,040 --> 00:38:21,040
Speaker 3: Like that because you mentioned Okay, well, if you don't

857
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Speaker 3: give one of those top three guys, if you're not

858
00:38:22,600 --> 00:38:26,759
Speaker 3: picking in the top ten. But Indianapolis's team that let's

859
00:38:26,760 --> 00:38:29,120
Speaker 3: say they bring Pittman back and you got a great

860
00:38:29,160 --> 00:38:31,239
Speaker 3: star in Shosh downs, maybe they still even want to

861
00:38:31,239 --> 00:38:34,000
Speaker 3: add another wide receiver that makes get even more weapons

862
00:38:34,160 --> 00:38:36,040
Speaker 3: for Anthony and Richardson. So I think they're in the market.

863
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Speaker 3: I think about a team specifically like the Buffalo.

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Speaker 1: Bills, right.

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Speaker 3: I think the Bills are a team that they are

866
00:38:41,800 --> 00:38:43,840
Speaker 3: really honing in on wide receiver. They would love to

867
00:38:43,880 --> 00:38:45,920
Speaker 3: get a wide receiver. But they're picking all the way

868
00:38:46,160 --> 00:38:48,960
Speaker 3: the back money. They're a back part of the first round,

869
00:38:49,080 --> 00:38:51,759
Speaker 3: and so they can they afford to wait, Are they

870
00:38:51,800 --> 00:38:53,319
Speaker 3: get to trade up, or are they gonna spend more

871
00:38:53,400 --> 00:38:55,479
Speaker 3: money in free agency? You know what's going to happen.

872
00:38:55,520 --> 00:38:58,160
Speaker 3: And I think there are a handful of teams where

873
00:38:58,280 --> 00:39:01,839
Speaker 3: that could be the case. Ones that are they feel

874
00:39:01,880 --> 00:39:04,160
Speaker 3: like maybe they're just a wide receiver away and are

875
00:39:04,200 --> 00:39:05,480
Speaker 3: they going to wait for that in the draft or

876
00:39:05,520 --> 00:39:06,719
Speaker 3: are they going to spend a little bit more in

877
00:39:06,760 --> 00:39:09,120
Speaker 3: free agency. I think that's going to be a fun

878
00:39:09,200 --> 00:39:11,000
Speaker 3: question that gets answered over the next month.

879
00:39:11,360 --> 00:39:13,600
Speaker 1: Trevry, we were talking before we started recording, and you

880
00:39:13,680 --> 00:39:15,440
Speaker 1: were telling me about how you were going to media,

881
00:39:15,640 --> 00:39:18,680
Speaker 1: you know, media row, radio row at the Super Bowl.

882
00:39:18,760 --> 00:39:21,800
Speaker 1: What's something that you came into or you came out of,

883
00:39:21,960 --> 00:39:24,239
Speaker 1: you know, those conversations you had with your colleagues, with

884
00:39:24,320 --> 00:39:26,719
Speaker 1: your friends and media, thinking like, huh, I didn't really

885
00:39:26,800 --> 00:39:30,800
Speaker 1: think about that, but I now really believe that about

886
00:39:31,040 --> 00:39:33,200
Speaker 1: whether it's the state of the NFL in twenty twenty three,

887
00:39:33,280 --> 00:39:37,120
Speaker 1: the state of the NFL in twenty twenty four, I.

888
00:39:37,239 --> 00:39:40,080
Speaker 3: Think that well one, nobody seemed to want to be

889
00:39:40,239 --> 00:39:43,160
Speaker 3: against Kansas City Chiefs, and with good reasons. So obviously

890
00:39:43,280 --> 00:39:46,799
Speaker 3: Kansas City wins another championship. Mahomes is on this incredible run.

891
00:39:47,320 --> 00:39:49,239
Speaker 3: The dynasty is now in full effect. So I think

892
00:39:49,320 --> 00:39:51,200
Speaker 3: obviously that was the talk of the town. It being

893
00:39:51,280 --> 00:39:54,040
Speaker 3: Super Bowl weak is essentially how do you beat the Chiefs.

894
00:39:54,080 --> 00:39:56,640
Speaker 3: But I do wonder if that becomes a major theme

895
00:39:56,719 --> 00:39:58,440
Speaker 3: now that I'm kind of saying it out loud, is

896
00:39:58,719 --> 00:40:02,560
Speaker 3: you know we go from this this Tom Brady dynasty

897
00:40:02,640 --> 00:40:05,440
Speaker 3: over the last twenty years that was just you always

898
00:40:05,520 --> 00:40:07,520
Speaker 3: knew he was looming, right, I mean, like ten Super

899
00:40:07,560 --> 00:40:10,600
Speaker 3: Bowl appearances and that, you know, twenty plus years of

900
00:40:10,719 --> 00:40:12,920
Speaker 3: him being a quarterback. It's just always felt like it

901
00:40:13,040 --> 00:40:14,640
Speaker 3: was kind of the story of how do you beat

902
00:40:14,640 --> 00:40:17,640
Speaker 3: the Patriots? Every single year it was these teams devoting

903
00:40:17,719 --> 00:40:20,880
Speaker 3: all sorts of strategies just to how you beat the Patriots.

904
00:40:20,920 --> 00:40:23,200
Speaker 3: And I know, the culture in a situation with Shane

905
00:40:23,239 --> 00:40:26,359
Speaker 3: Steichen and certainly with Anthony Richardson as well, where they're

906
00:40:26,560 --> 00:40:30,320
Speaker 3: developing and drafting and putting together a team to compete

907
00:40:30,719 --> 00:40:32,920
Speaker 3: in the AFC. And you know, it doesn't look like

908
00:40:33,640 --> 00:40:36,800
Speaker 3: the Chiefs are going to go anywhere any go anywhere

909
00:40:36,840 --> 00:40:40,160
Speaker 3: anytime soon. So are you going to see these teams

910
00:40:40,640 --> 00:40:44,200
Speaker 3: really just focus in on we're putting a group together

911
00:40:44,239 --> 00:40:46,239
Speaker 3: to be Kansas City? You know, like is Miami going.

912
00:40:46,160 --> 00:40:46,400
Speaker 2: To do that?

913
00:40:46,480 --> 00:40:48,640
Speaker 3: Or is Buffalo going to do that? You know, Baltimore

914
00:40:48,800 --> 00:40:50,560
Speaker 3: kind of did things their way this year, but it

915
00:40:50,560 --> 00:40:52,239
Speaker 3: didn't end up being good enough. Do they kind of

916
00:40:52,360 --> 00:40:54,799
Speaker 3: change what their strategy is like? So I wonder if,

917
00:40:55,520 --> 00:40:58,760
Speaker 3: especially for those AFC teams, if they're watching this Kansas

918
00:40:58,800 --> 00:41:01,160
Speaker 3: City team. Of course, you don't want to get you know,

919
00:41:01,280 --> 00:41:02,719
Speaker 3: you don't want to get carried away with it. But

920
00:41:02,719 --> 00:41:05,000
Speaker 3: at the end of the day, you know they're gonna

921
00:41:05,000 --> 00:41:06,960
Speaker 3: be sitting there waiting for you, like, this is the

922
00:41:07,000 --> 00:41:09,440
Speaker 3: team that you're probably going to have to be to

923
00:41:09,560 --> 00:41:11,680
Speaker 3: get to where you want to go. And so just

924
00:41:11,760 --> 00:41:15,040
Speaker 3: with a lot of conversations of nobody really wanting to

925
00:41:15,080 --> 00:41:18,480
Speaker 3: bet against the Chiefs despite how good of a roster

926
00:41:18,640 --> 00:41:21,600
Speaker 3: that forty nine Ers team was, I just wonder if

927
00:41:21,680 --> 00:41:24,040
Speaker 3: those conversations just start to get louder and louder, if

928
00:41:24,080 --> 00:41:26,200
Speaker 3: team's going like, Okay, yeah, we need this guy, we

929
00:41:26,280 --> 00:41:29,080
Speaker 3: need this guy. Oh and he would certainly help us

930
00:41:29,680 --> 00:41:31,640
Speaker 3: in the chess match against Kansas City. I wonder if

931
00:41:31,680 --> 00:41:33,800
Speaker 3: that's a little X factor when it comes to who.

932
00:41:33,719 --> 00:41:36,120
Speaker 1: Teams end up bringing in this, By the way, is

933
00:41:36,200 --> 00:41:39,359
Speaker 1: not normal in NFL history to have one dynasty end

934
00:41:39,760 --> 00:41:42,680
Speaker 1: and then the next one begin like a year later, Like, yeah,

935
00:41:42,840 --> 00:41:45,600
Speaker 1: Tom Brady beats Mahomes in twenty eighteen, goes on to

936
00:41:45,640 --> 00:41:48,000
Speaker 1: the Super Bowl, wins the super Bowl. The next year,

937
00:41:48,080 --> 00:41:50,520
Speaker 1: Mahomes wins this first super Bowl, and it's like, all right,

938
00:41:50,560 --> 00:41:54,719
Speaker 1: well the dynasty still continues. You you're a Florida guy,

939
00:41:55,400 --> 00:41:57,880
Speaker 1: so you had a you know, a good look at

940
00:41:57,880 --> 00:42:00,520
Speaker 1: Anthony Richardson. You're obviously a draft expert, so you had

941
00:42:00,560 --> 00:42:05,200
Speaker 1: an additional kind of set of eyes almost on Anthony Richardson.

942
00:42:06,600 --> 00:42:07,960
Speaker 1: I'm not going to say, is he the guy who

943
00:42:07,960 --> 00:42:10,680
Speaker 1: can beat Mahomes, because that is like you are so

944
00:42:10,960 --> 00:42:13,279
Speaker 1: far off in the future on that that is not

945
00:42:13,360 --> 00:42:15,359
Speaker 1: even a discussion we need to be having right now.

946
00:42:16,280 --> 00:42:19,279
Speaker 1: But the little stuff that you saw from him in

947
00:42:19,560 --> 00:42:21,760
Speaker 1: twenty twenty three, in the four games that he played

948
00:42:22,239 --> 00:42:25,080
Speaker 1: and following his career at Florida, was there anything that

949
00:42:25,239 --> 00:42:29,240
Speaker 1: surprised you in how Anthony played with the Colts compared

950
00:42:29,280 --> 00:42:31,680
Speaker 1: to the prospect that he was and the player that

951
00:42:31,719 --> 00:42:32,600
Speaker 1: he was at Florida.

952
00:42:33,360 --> 00:42:35,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think when you look at him at Florida,

953
00:42:35,400 --> 00:42:37,840
Speaker 3: I know, I'm not really surprising anybody here by saying

954
00:42:38,239 --> 00:42:41,360
Speaker 3: he was clearly a very very talented player, just the

955
00:42:41,440 --> 00:42:43,520
Speaker 3: consistency was not there for him yet. Yeah, he was

956
00:42:43,560 --> 00:42:45,640
Speaker 3: still figuring it all. Yeah, out it was his first

957
00:42:45,719 --> 00:42:47,440
Speaker 3: year as a starter, and I think if there was

958
00:42:47,520 --> 00:42:50,600
Speaker 3: something that surprised me the most, it's that he really

959
00:42:50,760 --> 00:42:52,920
Speaker 3: hit the ground running as fast as he did. And

960
00:42:53,040 --> 00:42:55,600
Speaker 3: I think that's also a nod to the job that

961
00:42:55,719 --> 00:42:58,160
Speaker 3: Shane Steiken did. You talk about a small sample size

962
00:42:58,160 --> 00:43:00,719
Speaker 3: it was just those four games for Richardson. But you know,

963
00:43:00,920 --> 00:43:04,080
Speaker 3: I looked at the concepts in the situations that he

964
00:43:04,160 --> 00:43:06,960
Speaker 3: put Richardson in to truly get the most out of

965
00:43:07,040 --> 00:43:11,320
Speaker 3: his strengths, and it really felt like Stichen was saying, Okay,

966
00:43:11,640 --> 00:43:15,200
Speaker 3: here we go, start of your career Week one, early

967
00:43:15,320 --> 00:43:17,759
Speaker 3: parts of it, like this is the baseline. We're gonna

968
00:43:18,000 --> 00:43:20,520
Speaker 3: We're gonna put together an offense for you that we

969
00:43:20,719 --> 00:43:23,480
Speaker 3: know gets the most out of your strengths and your

970
00:43:23,520 --> 00:43:26,759
Speaker 3: athletic gifts right now. A lot of rollout stuff, a

971
00:43:26,840 --> 00:43:30,840
Speaker 3: lot of play action, moving the offensive line, sale concepts,

972
00:43:30,920 --> 00:43:33,960
Speaker 3: three layer concepts, whatever. It is, just just saying like, hey,

973
00:43:34,680 --> 00:43:36,839
Speaker 3: you don't got to look at the whole defense, right

974
00:43:36,920 --> 00:43:40,080
Speaker 3: and I you know, people sometimes stay watering it down,

975
00:43:40,160 --> 00:43:42,200
Speaker 3: but this is good coaching. I mean, we saw the

976
00:43:42,280 --> 00:43:44,440
Speaker 3: Chiefs win the Super Bowl by doing things like this.

977
00:43:45,280 --> 00:43:50,040
Speaker 3: You're calling plays and teaching Richardson how to recognize Okay,

978
00:43:50,120 --> 00:43:52,080
Speaker 3: I really only got to read one defender here, you know,

979
00:43:52,160 --> 00:43:54,120
Speaker 3: like I gotta read one defender dependent off he's high

980
00:43:54,120 --> 00:43:55,960
Speaker 3: low boon, the ball goes somewhere else. And it's not

981
00:43:56,040 --> 00:43:57,800
Speaker 3: like he was hearing that for the first time, but

982
00:43:57,920 --> 00:44:00,279
Speaker 3: to be able to have the success that he did

983
00:44:00,400 --> 00:44:04,360
Speaker 3: in those early games at the NFL level. I was surprised.

984
00:44:04,440 --> 00:44:06,759
Speaker 3: It's just like how good it looked, because this is

985
00:44:06,920 --> 00:44:09,160
Speaker 3: clearly somebody who had all the talent in the world.

986
00:44:09,680 --> 00:44:13,520
Speaker 3: But I wondered why. I wondered how quickly that was

987
00:44:13,600 --> 00:44:18,520
Speaker 3: going to come to fruition at the NFL level, because again,

988
00:44:18,800 --> 00:44:21,239
Speaker 3: one year starter at the college level, you know, it

989
00:44:21,400 --> 00:44:24,200
Speaker 3: was a new coach and new offense when billion Apier

990
00:44:24,320 --> 00:44:28,759
Speaker 3: came in, and so unfamiliarity there as well. So it's

991
00:44:28,840 --> 00:44:31,080
Speaker 3: just kind of one of those situations where I love

992
00:44:31,200 --> 00:44:33,960
Speaker 3: the fact that the light came on even quicker, not

993
00:44:34,080 --> 00:44:36,640
Speaker 3: that I didn't think that it was possible, but they

994
00:44:36,719 --> 00:44:38,640
Speaker 3: came on pretty quick. And I think that those were

995
00:44:38,680 --> 00:44:42,200
Speaker 3: the signs of a really good head coach quarterback connection

996
00:44:42,600 --> 00:44:44,120
Speaker 3: the groove those two were already in.

997
00:44:44,640 --> 00:44:47,080
Speaker 1: Is there a favorite play you have that Anthony Richardson

998
00:44:47,400 --> 00:44:49,520
Speaker 1: had in twenty twenty three just from what he studied,

999
00:44:51,040 --> 00:44:54,400
Speaker 1: because for me and he ripped this throat to Josh Downs.

1000
00:44:55,360 --> 00:44:56,919
Speaker 1: I think it was against the Rams in the first

1001
00:44:56,960 --> 00:44:59,120
Speaker 1: half where nothing else is going right, and it was

1002
00:44:59,280 --> 00:45:02,080
Speaker 1: just like right the seam, right on the money on

1003
00:45:02,239 --> 00:45:04,839
Speaker 1: a line thirty yards and I'm just like, whow makes

1004
00:45:04,880 --> 00:45:06,520
Speaker 1: you sit up in your seat a little bit? Anything

1005
00:45:06,560 --> 00:45:07,399
Speaker 1: that comes to mind?

1006
00:45:08,000 --> 00:45:09,719
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I go back to you know, I

1007
00:45:10,200 --> 00:45:13,520
Speaker 3: said the words sale concept because again I remember looking

1008
00:45:13,560 --> 00:45:15,880
Speaker 3: at I can't remember which game it was, but it

1009
00:45:16,000 --> 00:45:21,120
Speaker 3: was a situation where I watched him very confidently call

1010
00:45:21,400 --> 00:45:25,080
Speaker 3: a play action roll out got him into space. You

1011
00:45:25,160 --> 00:45:27,840
Speaker 3: get him, You get him in an opportunity where okay,

1012
00:45:28,360 --> 00:45:30,279
Speaker 3: the line of scrimmage is behind me, like blitzis are

1013
00:45:30,320 --> 00:45:32,640
Speaker 3: coming from behind me. But I'm athletic enough to outrun

1014
00:45:32,719 --> 00:45:35,440
Speaker 3: to the sideline if I need to, if nobody spying me,

1015
00:45:35,560 --> 00:45:37,960
Speaker 3: I can clearly take off and run. But you could

1016
00:45:38,080 --> 00:45:40,880
Speaker 3: see him looking at all three levels of the sale

1017
00:45:40,920 --> 00:45:43,719
Speaker 3: concept and boom, he had a perfect pass and it

1018
00:45:43,920 --> 00:45:45,840
Speaker 3: was the intermediate route, so it was the one that

1019
00:45:46,000 --> 00:45:49,520
Speaker 3: was right over the cornerback who was in the shallow zone.

1020
00:45:49,880 --> 00:45:52,719
Speaker 3: It's like, man, if you are doing that, think of

1021
00:45:52,800 --> 00:45:55,239
Speaker 3: how many threats are in that play. The threat to

1022
00:45:55,360 --> 00:45:58,239
Speaker 3: run the short pass, the intermediate you know, it could

1023
00:45:58,239 --> 00:46:00,880
Speaker 3: throw the deep ball as well. So the stress that

1024
00:46:01,040 --> 00:46:04,000
Speaker 3: this player puts on defenses. It was one of those

1025
00:46:04,040 --> 00:46:06,600
Speaker 3: plays where all the lights came on, it looked brilliant,

1026
00:46:06,640 --> 00:46:09,000
Speaker 3: and you go, what do you do against that? It's

1027
00:46:09,040 --> 00:46:12,040
Speaker 3: almost like if your defensive coordinator, you just got to go, yep,

1028
00:46:12,200 --> 00:46:14,480
Speaker 3: hat tip, there we go, next play, like, let's move on.

1029
00:46:15,160 --> 00:46:15,799
Speaker 1: He got us good.

1030
00:46:15,960 --> 00:46:18,440
Speaker 3: So I cannot remember exactly which game that that was in,

1031
00:46:18,560 --> 00:46:20,960
Speaker 3: but it was one of those concepts that I remember

1032
00:46:21,040 --> 00:46:24,200
Speaker 3: watching that I just thought, Wow, he is already being

1033
00:46:24,239 --> 00:46:25,640
Speaker 3: put in a great place to succeed.

1034
00:46:26,200 --> 00:46:28,239
Speaker 1: Something Chris Ballard told me when we had him on

1035
00:46:28,320 --> 00:46:31,040
Speaker 1: our podcast back in November was that we feel like

1036
00:46:31,160 --> 00:46:33,640
Speaker 1: we know how to build around Anthony based on what

1037
00:46:33,800 --> 00:46:36,279
Speaker 1: we saw in twenty twenty three. If you're putting your

1038
00:46:36,320 --> 00:46:38,719
Speaker 1: GM hat on, what do you think that means? What

1039
00:46:39,000 --> 00:46:42,080
Speaker 1: do you think building around Anthony Richardson in twenty twenty

1040
00:46:42,160 --> 00:46:43,880
Speaker 1: four looks like for the Colts?

1041
00:46:44,360 --> 00:46:47,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that, you know, the offensive line improving

1042
00:46:47,560 --> 00:46:49,640
Speaker 3: the way that it did this past season, really bouncing

1043
00:46:49,719 --> 00:46:52,040
Speaker 3: back for that group, I think was great because obviously

1044
00:46:52,160 --> 00:46:54,160
Speaker 3: it all starts up front. You want to get the

1045
00:46:54,200 --> 00:46:56,360
Speaker 3: guy the appropriate amount of time. You don't want to

1046
00:46:56,360 --> 00:46:57,680
Speaker 3: have him panicking. You don't want to think that he

1047
00:46:57,719 --> 00:46:59,600
Speaker 3: can't get his next reads. You know that progression is

1048
00:46:59,640 --> 00:47:02,080
Speaker 3: going to come only if the offensive line is good

1049
00:47:02,120 --> 00:47:03,560
Speaker 3: in front of him. So I think that taking us

1050
00:47:03,640 --> 00:47:05,360
Speaker 3: a step in the right direction there was good. You

1051
00:47:05,440 --> 00:47:07,320
Speaker 3: got to make sure that that's going to stay solid

1052
00:47:07,400 --> 00:47:10,360
Speaker 3: through free agency, through the draft, things like that. Loved

1053
00:47:10,400 --> 00:47:14,160
Speaker 3: the addition of Josh Downs. He was somebody who I

1054
00:47:14,400 --> 00:47:17,520
Speaker 3: had ranked much higher than where he ended up getting drafted.

1055
00:47:17,560 --> 00:47:19,560
Speaker 3: I thought that he was one of the steals of

1056
00:47:19,680 --> 00:47:21,879
Speaker 3: Day two, and I think that he showed the yearly

1057
00:47:21,960 --> 00:47:24,359
Speaker 3: signs of what he can be as a slot receiver.

1058
00:47:24,520 --> 00:47:25,840
Speaker 3: So I think that he is going to be a

1059
00:47:25,920 --> 00:47:28,759
Speaker 3: best friend if you will form Anthony Richardson. I'd love

1060
00:47:28,840 --> 00:47:30,279
Speaker 3: to see them get a tight end you know. I

1061
00:47:30,360 --> 00:47:33,040
Speaker 3: know people Mocket you sometimes brought Bowers in the first

1062
00:47:33,120 --> 00:47:35,680
Speaker 3: round to them, sometimes Tavian Sanders in the second round.

1063
00:47:35,719 --> 00:47:39,120
Speaker 3: But I love, Yeah, I would love to get them

1064
00:47:39,320 --> 00:47:43,040
Speaker 3: that impact tight end player because you have an X

1065
00:47:43,239 --> 00:47:46,880
Speaker 3: factor and an ex receiver in Michael Pittman. You do

1066
00:47:46,960 --> 00:47:49,400
Speaker 3: have Alex Pears who could stretch the field a little bit,

1067
00:47:49,520 --> 00:47:51,480
Speaker 3: but you know, maybe you want to get another vertical

1068
00:47:51,520 --> 00:47:53,279
Speaker 3: threat to make sure that you're always putting stress on

1069
00:47:53,360 --> 00:47:55,959
Speaker 3: those deep safeties to make sure these guys can't creep

1070
00:47:56,000 --> 00:47:58,920
Speaker 3: down and h and muddy up the box or the

1071
00:47:59,040 --> 00:48:04,480
Speaker 3: linebacker level. But I do feel as though it's almost

1072
00:48:04,640 --> 00:48:08,719
Speaker 3: complete to what you want. I think that a consistent

1073
00:48:08,800 --> 00:48:10,719
Speaker 3: vertical threat type of a player, whether that's on the

1074
00:48:10,800 --> 00:48:13,760
Speaker 3: roster or not, I think that that is still needed

1075
00:48:13,840 --> 00:48:15,520
Speaker 3: for this offense and kind of how I would build

1076
00:48:15,560 --> 00:48:18,400
Speaker 3: around them. And then yeah, like just that solid receiving

1077
00:48:18,480 --> 00:48:21,960
Speaker 3: tight end option to always be an option there for

1078
00:48:22,120 --> 00:48:23,840
Speaker 3: him to go to in the passing game. So like

1079
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Speaker 3: Michael Pittman Junior a lot, I hope he stays in

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Speaker 3: Indianapolis because I love the connection that he and Richardson

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Speaker 3: could could have there. Love the Josh Downce connection as well.

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00:48:32,600 --> 00:48:35,919
Speaker 3: Obviously Jonathan Taylor's ha stud. But I think that those

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Speaker 3: two elements, the vertical threat and then the tight end threat,

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Speaker 3: those are the two that are missing that I look

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Speaker 3: to prioritize.

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Speaker 1: Great stuff here at Trevor. Where can our listeners find

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00:48:44,000 --> 00:48:46,600
Speaker 1: your work, whether it's online or with podcasts?

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00:48:47,360 --> 00:48:49,839
Speaker 3: Yeah, everything over at PFF dot com. When it comes

1089
00:48:49,880 --> 00:48:52,919
Speaker 3: to the rankings of these players, you guys are dipping

1090
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Speaker 3: your toes in a draft season and want to know

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00:48:55,719 --> 00:48:57,680
Speaker 3: kind of what the class is like. You can see

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00:48:57,719 --> 00:48:59,319
Speaker 3: that over at PFF dot com. You can even run

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00:48:59,320 --> 00:49:02,320
Speaker 3: your own mock draft over at the mock draft simulator

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00:49:02,360 --> 00:49:04,600
Speaker 3: that we have on the site. And then, if you

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00:49:04,800 --> 00:49:09,080
Speaker 3: are a YouTube or podcast listener NFL Stock Exchange, myself

1096
00:49:09,160 --> 00:49:12,520
Speaker 3: and Connor Rodgers were going through everything about the NFL Draft,

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00:49:12,560 --> 00:49:14,520
Speaker 3: the rankings, the mock drafts, what we're here, and the

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00:49:14,600 --> 00:49:17,680
Speaker 3: rumors covering the combine, the Pro Day visits, all that

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Speaker 3: good stuff over on the NFL Stock Exchange channel.

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Speaker 1: Awesome, well, great stuff, Trevor. I'm sure we will see

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Speaker 1: you around Indianapolis in two weeks when the combine starts.

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Speaker 1: The NFL calendar never sleeps, does it?

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00:49:28,440 --> 00:49:30,400
Speaker 3: Oh, it does not. I can't wait. It is my

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00:49:30,640 --> 00:49:33,840
Speaker 3: favorite event to go cover every single year, and I

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00:49:33,880 --> 00:49:35,279
Speaker 3: can't wait. But I appreciate you having me.

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Speaker 2: On the show. Thanks to Trevor Sikima, love the guy. Obviously,

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Speaker 2: Pro Football Focus does a heck of a job. What's

1108
00:49:42,440 --> 00:49:44,239
Speaker 2: the let's give it up. Let's put it this way.

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Speaker 2: What's the most important takeaway from that little sit down

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Speaker 2: you have with Trevor.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, the the and I kind of asked him this,

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00:49:49,880 --> 00:49:52,719
Speaker 1: but just the depth of wide receivers in this year's draft,

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00:49:52,800 --> 00:49:56,759
Speaker 1: and how that might affect teams pursuing wide receivers in

1114
00:49:56,880 --> 00:50:02,440
Speaker 1: the offseason, could potentially open up more opportunities for the

1115
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Speaker 1: Colts if they decide to go down that route to

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00:50:04,800 --> 00:50:08,279
Speaker 1: get a wide receiver. Not maybe in the draft, not

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Speaker 1: one of those like top three guys that we talked about,

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Speaker 1: but the you know, potentially if a veteran is available,

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00:50:14,520 --> 00:50:17,160
Speaker 1: or if free agency isn't as hot of a market

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Speaker 1: for wide receivers as some people may expect, that could

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Speaker 1: lead to some really interesting things in the off season,

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Speaker 1: not just here in Indianapolis, but just with player movement

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Speaker 1: in general. That was a really eye opening thing that

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Speaker 1: he just kind of put in perspective that like trio

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Speaker 1: of guys, the Marvin Harrison Junior, Romadoonze and Malik Neighbors,

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Speaker 1: how they could affect everything else when it comes to

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Speaker 1: wide receiver movement.

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Speaker 2: And obviously all the general manners in training around Indianapolis.

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Speaker 2: Or get a receiver, get a receiver, get a fifteen

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Speaker 2: at fifteen, get a receiver. Lara, what do you think

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Speaker 2: we got this combine coming up here, We got the

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Speaker 2: draft coming up here, and I'm just saying this a

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00:50:51,480 --> 00:50:54,080
Speaker 2: quick question for you some head coaching new hires in

1134
00:50:54,160 --> 00:50:56,359
Speaker 2: the building. Sometimes these new head coaches get in, they

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00:50:56,400 --> 00:50:58,960
Speaker 2: go not my system, not my type of guy, not

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Speaker 2: my and they be gone and veterans are gone. Does

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Speaker 2: Ballard go outside of the box this year inside a

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00:51:03,920 --> 00:51:07,359
Speaker 2: veteran wide receiver before this team gets to training camp?

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Speaker 4: I mean, what you can sign a veteran wide receiver?

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Speaker 2: I mean, like like McKenna, not not that I've talked about,

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00:51:15,880 --> 00:51:18,760
Speaker 2: an established When you're gonna pay, it's gonna affect yourseld.

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Speaker 1: Does you have to just sign him? Say a choir?

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00:51:22,040 --> 00:51:24,280
Speaker 2: I would say, okay, acchoir, like you're.

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00:51:24,239 --> 00:51:25,200
Speaker 4: Saying trade for one.

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00:51:25,560 --> 00:51:28,160
Speaker 2: Does a veteran presidence come in before this team breaks

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00:51:28,200 --> 00:51:31,040
Speaker 2: for training camp up in Westfield? A veteran outside of

1147
00:51:31,040 --> 00:51:33,360
Speaker 2: one that we would reach outside on Michael Pittman, outside

1148
00:51:33,400 --> 00:51:35,520
Speaker 2: Alec Pierce, outside of Josh Allens for that matter.

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Speaker 4: I mean, I think that that's certainly a possibility. I

1150
00:51:39,080 --> 00:51:42,920
Speaker 4: think that I would say right now, all options are

1151
00:51:42,920 --> 00:51:46,160
Speaker 4: on the tape. Sure, that is what I am more

1152
00:51:46,320 --> 00:51:50,680
Speaker 4: confident in anything than that, Because what we've seen in

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00:51:50,719 --> 00:51:52,640
Speaker 4: the past, when you were in a similar position, when

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00:51:52,640 --> 00:51:54,800
Speaker 4: you were in the middle of that first round. We

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00:51:54,920 --> 00:51:59,320
Speaker 4: have seen Chris make deals to get players in the building,

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00:51:59,640 --> 00:52:01,640
Speaker 4: just like you take take a look at what they

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00:52:01,680 --> 00:52:03,120
Speaker 4: did for DeForest Buckner a few years ago.

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Speaker 1: And here's the biggest reason why all options around the

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00:52:05,920 --> 00:52:07,640
Speaker 1: table is that you have a quarterback in the second

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00:52:07,719 --> 00:52:09,800
Speaker 1: year of his rookie contract. Yeah, that allows you to

1161
00:52:09,880 --> 00:52:12,360
Speaker 1: do a lot in terms of how you build your

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00:52:12,440 --> 00:52:15,400
Speaker 1: roster that you can't do when you have a veteran

1163
00:52:15,480 --> 00:52:19,080
Speaker 1: quarterback who's making a market rate. That that is just

1164
00:52:19,160 --> 00:52:21,399
Speaker 1: the reality of the NFL and how rosters are built.

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Speaker 2: Gonna be fun. We're gonna find out what this Colt

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00:52:24,040 --> 00:52:27,800
Speaker 2: roster looks like in twenty twenty four, a healthy Anthony Richardson,

1167
00:52:27,880 --> 00:52:30,960
Speaker 2: a healthy Jonathan Taylor, and after that it's gonna be

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00:52:31,040 --> 00:52:32,600
Speaker 2: up in the air because there's gonna be so much

1169
00:52:32,680 --> 00:52:35,040
Speaker 2: twirling around. This team will not look the same. We

1170
00:52:35,120 --> 00:52:38,040
Speaker 2: say that every year. Obviously some of the key components

1171
00:52:38,080 --> 00:52:40,520
Speaker 2: will be there, but hey, these guys are wheeling and dealing.

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Speaker 2: The combine coming up. A lot of late dinners over

1173
00:52:42,600 --> 00:52:45,479
Speaker 2: at Saint Almost Lakehouse, where the general managers get together

1174
00:52:45,560 --> 00:52:47,479
Speaker 2: and say, what if I send you these two guys,

1175
00:52:47,520 --> 00:52:49,560
Speaker 2: you send me that one guy. Stuff like that comes up.

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00:52:49,600 --> 00:52:51,520
Speaker 2: You see it down there. I know you're always looking

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00:52:51,560 --> 00:52:53,640
Speaker 2: over your shoulder to see who's who's talking to one

1178
00:52:53,640 --> 00:52:56,000
Speaker 2: another in the hallway at Lucas Oil. Yeah, or or

1179
00:52:56,080 --> 00:52:58,239
Speaker 2: you know at Prime later in the night, or at

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00:52:58,280 --> 00:53:00,640
Speaker 2: Prime later in the night. So I can't wait. Combine

1181
00:53:00,719 --> 00:53:02,960
Speaker 2: is coming up. But really quick, give me your closing thoughts.

1182
00:53:03,080 --> 00:53:06,800
Speaker 2: Indianapolis hosts this NBA All Star Game coming up. This

1183
00:53:06,960 --> 00:53:09,600
Speaker 2: week's Saturday Night All Star Saturday Night is at Lucas

1184
00:53:09,640 --> 00:53:12,040
Speaker 2: Oil Stadium, the All Star Game at game Bridge Field House.

1185
00:53:12,280 --> 00:53:14,319
Speaker 2: Are you interested? Are you watching? I know you used

1186
00:53:14,320 --> 00:53:15,719
Speaker 2: to work for the Pacers, so I know you got

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Speaker 2: a hand in this.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I'll kind of I'll watch some of the events

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Speaker 4: over the course of the weekend. I always think like

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Speaker 4: the celebrity game is funny, you know, I'm interested in

1191
00:53:24,160 --> 00:53:27,960
Speaker 4: like the whole like Steph Serena battle right that they've

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00:53:27,960 --> 00:53:32,080
Speaker 4: got going on, Like, I think that's really intriguing. I actually,

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Speaker 4: I don't know if this is like a hot take,

1194
00:53:33,280 --> 00:53:35,360
Speaker 4: but I actually think that some of like the dunk contest,

1195
00:53:35,440 --> 00:53:38,040
Speaker 4: the three point contest, some of that stuff is a

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00:53:38,120 --> 00:53:40,080
Speaker 4: little more exciting than the game itself.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm going on Saturday night. Yeah, I'm excited for that.

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00:53:43,440 --> 00:53:44,440
Speaker 4: You go a Little Wayne concert?

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Speaker 1: What's in the little uh?

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Speaker 4: Wayne has a concert?

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00:53:48,080 --> 00:53:49,720
Speaker 1: Well, my father in law is the one who scored

1202
00:53:49,760 --> 00:53:51,879
Speaker 1: the tickets, and I do not believe he scored Lil

1203
00:53:51,920 --> 00:53:52,520
Speaker 1: Wayne tickets.

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00:53:52,640 --> 00:53:52,799
Speaker 2: Yoh.

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Speaker 1: I would go see t Pain though. I heard te

1206
00:53:55,320 --> 00:53:56,160
Speaker 1: Pain's playing here too.

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Speaker 2: A lot of people and the celebrities will be overtaking

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00:53:58,520 --> 00:54:01,279
Speaker 2: downtown Indianapolis. Good for you, because I'm not going as

1209
00:54:01,360 --> 00:54:02,799
Speaker 2: of right now, I don't know if you're going All

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00:54:02,800 --> 00:54:05,080
Speaker 2: the Stars Saturday night. No. I want a full report

1211
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Speaker 2: next week on that gues. That would be as long

1212
00:54:07,080 --> 00:54:10,200
Speaker 2: as I could see Shaq and Charles and Ernie Johnson

1213
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Speaker 2: over there with DNT on one side. I would love

1214
00:54:12,680 --> 00:54:13,880
Speaker 2: to go down there and just sit and be a

1215
00:54:13,920 --> 00:54:15,759
Speaker 2: part of it. I won't be, but I want next

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Speaker 2: week a good run for sure.

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Speaker 1: Hey, speaking of basketball, I just logged on to Twitter

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00:54:20,880 --> 00:54:24,600
Speaker 1: here and I got a direct tweet at me from

1219
00:54:24,719 --> 00:54:28,800
Speaker 1: Evan Turner. You remember Evan Turner. So I played baseball

1220
00:54:28,840 --> 00:54:30,520
Speaker 1: with him, I grew up with him, and he tweeted

1221
00:54:30,560 --> 00:54:32,960
Speaker 1: at me at JJ Stankovitz, can you please tell at

1222
00:54:33,080 --> 00:54:36,560
Speaker 1: Andre Andrea Goadala and my app point Forward team how

1223
00:54:36,600 --> 00:54:38,759
Speaker 1: I used to do in baseball for the District ninety

1224
00:54:38,800 --> 00:54:40,879
Speaker 1: five Fire Department. That was our team in sixth grade.

1225
00:54:41,160 --> 00:54:43,280
Speaker 1: We went fifteen to know that season. That is correct.

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Speaker 1: Evan Turner was one of the best baseball players I've

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Speaker 1: ever seen, say on the podcast.

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Speaker 2: Right here the Shooteriowa State. Yeah, the kid who made

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00:54:50,320 --> 00:54:51,520
Speaker 2: the half quarter down here.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I get to beat Michigan hit the swan.

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00:54:53,160 --> 00:54:53,359
Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: No, a great baseball player. He wants stole two bases

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00:54:55,520 --> 00:54:57,400
Speaker 1: on one pitch. It's incredible.

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Speaker 2: All right, Evan Turner, If you're listening, you're probably not

1235
00:54:59,640 --> 00:55:01,520
Speaker 2: big the show. Yeah, we're gonna, well, we got a

1236
00:55:01,560 --> 00:55:03,279
Speaker 2: spot for you right here. We're gonna go over your

1237
00:55:03,320 --> 00:55:05,160
Speaker 2: twelve year old and just find out what kind of

1238
00:55:05,200 --> 00:55:08,640
Speaker 2: ballplayer that JJ Sakovitz goes. All right, guys, Combine's coming up,

1239
00:55:08,719 --> 00:55:11,160
Speaker 2: Super Bowls behind us. Good things to look forward to.

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Speaker 2: Appreciate the time. Thanks again to Trevor Sick Sick them

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00:55:13,800 --> 00:55:16,000
Speaker 2: off for sitting down with JJ Sankovitz and a lot

1242
00:55:16,080 --> 00:55:18,760
Speaker 2: more on the Colts Audio Network and of course always

1243
00:55:18,800 --> 00:55:22,600
Speaker 2: at Colts dot com, at Jjstankovitz on Twitter X at

1244
00:55:22,760 --> 00:55:24,960
Speaker 2: Lara Oberton on Twitter X that's what I call it,

1245
00:55:25,040 --> 00:55:27,239
Speaker 2: so everybody knows what we're talking about. And a big

1246
00:55:27,320 --> 00:55:29,440
Speaker 2: thank you. We are brought to you today by our

1247
00:55:29,480 --> 00:55:32,920
Speaker 2: friend Connor, who is behind the camera today. Connor, we

1248
00:55:33,040 --> 00:55:36,560
Speaker 2: appreciate you. You literally are the ones that brought everything

1249
00:55:36,640 --> 00:55:40,040
Speaker 2: to everyone and we appreciate you nothing in return. Okay,

1250
00:55:40,160 --> 00:55:42,279
Speaker 2: just to that shack, love your kid. We'll see you

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Speaker 2: next week right here on the Official Colts Podcast.