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Speaker 1: The offseason is officially here and the Mets can look

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Speaker 1: to be active not only on the.

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Speaker 2: Free agent market, but also on the trade market.

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Speaker 1: So today me and James are gonna get via ten

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Speaker 1: more like eleven or twelve players that we think the

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Speaker 1: Mets could realistically trade for. We need pitching, we need

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Speaker 1: center field, we need bullpen. This team didn't make the playoffs.

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Speaker 1: There's a lot of improvements that need to be made

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Speaker 1: before we get going into this list. Make sure you

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Speaker 1: I think the top place we have to start with

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Speaker 1: this number one guy. We've mentioned him before, as long

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Speaker 1: as he's still available, Trek Scoogle number one target.

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Speaker 2: Met's got to go after him. Number one target by

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Speaker 2: leaps bounds, far and away, different galaxy from the other targets.

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Speaker 2: One because he's that good of a picture. Two because

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Speaker 2: just oddly feels realistic. The way that we were linked

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Speaker 2: to Schooble the second that rumor came out. Will Sammon

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Speaker 2: on the athletic, the way that people in the Mets

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Speaker 2: world keep mentioning it, keep bringing it up, The way

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Speaker 2: that for some reason the Tigers seem to be making

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Speaker 2: going to be on a one year deal, he will

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Speaker 2: be very attainable in terms of prospect costs. Every single

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Speaker 2: thing lines up for this to be the quintessential move

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Speaker 2: the Mets make this offseason to wash away the embarrassment

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Speaker 2: feeling like they're actually a World Series contender.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, how many times did you guys say Mets need nace,

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Speaker 2: This is the ace.

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Speaker 1: If it's not Paul Skeens, it's Trek Scouble. Those are

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Speaker 1: the two best pitchers in baseball. It's clear, and especially

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Speaker 1: like Garret Crochet is amazing, top five pitcher in the league.

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Speaker 2: Schooble is still a class ahead of Garrett Crochet. He

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Speaker 1: And while there is the fear, like you mentioned, with

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Speaker 1: that one year contract, maybe he doesn't sign an extension.

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Speaker 1: Nothing's guaranteed. The Mets have the ability, like you said,

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Speaker 1: that might not be as expensive as people are making

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Speaker 1: it out to be. Like obviously there's people on Twitter

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Speaker 2: And we should be confident enough from the Mets perspective

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Speaker 1: So all that's if there was ever a guy to

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Speaker 1: Like we know that the Cohen era at times has

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Speaker 1: They're not trading for Paul Skins.

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Speaker 2: And there's also some people out there weird contingency, both

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Speaker 1: Or we want to push those plans back to another season,

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Speaker 1: It's a lot easier to keep him there than if

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Speaker 1: And I do think the Mets would give him that

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Speaker 2: Works for everybody. Just again, before we move on, let's

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Speaker 2: like I think Brandon sprot would be an absolute perfect

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Speaker 2: Jet Williams is someone that you could also put into

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Speaker 2: Hall and Joey Ortiz, both guys who are like fringe

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Speaker 1: And Tongue to make it actually happen, and I think

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Speaker 1: Yeah, whatever it takes, honestly to get it done. As

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Speaker 2: No, it's this is this would be really a black

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Speaker 2: it just should be like, why does this guy still

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Speaker 1: So like hunter Green, when all things are clicking, is

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Speaker 2: This one's going to cost an arm and two legs,

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Speaker 2: He's that good. There's tons of risk involved. It would

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Speaker 2: just what it comes down to it. At the same time,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, ownership doesn't care about winning baseball games. I think

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Speaker 2: And again i'd found the Hunter Green number twenty nine

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Speaker 2: And Freddie Prowlton may a lot of changes here that

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Speaker 2: Five hundred innings in three years. Like, that's one of

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Speaker 2: He's a good, very good picture. If he's your one,

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Speaker 2: Maybe we pull this one off? Why not? Right?

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Speaker 1: See what terror schoobl and Freddy Prawulta would cost us

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Speaker 1: for thirty five, Frankie Montas two for thirty four. I mean,

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Speaker 1: like these these contracts are so free for a guy

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Speaker 1: like Sandy, who, unlike any of the guys that we

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Speaker 1: just mentioned, has the ability to go back to being

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Speaker 1: a frontline starter. He might not ever be that cy

437
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Speaker 1: young ace guy again, but the fact that he does

438
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Speaker 1: throw ninety eight still throws a bunch of strikes.

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Speaker 2: Another one that you mentioned, you would love to have

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Speaker 2: Sandy as number two in your rotation. You'd feel great.

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Speaker 2: Would you rather just as a pitcher for the next

442
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Speaker 2: I get. I mean just for the next year, Sandy

443
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Speaker 2: or Freddy Peralta, probably Freddy Peralta. I think Freddy Perlta.

444
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Speaker 2: I can feel confident in that. And I would say

445
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Speaker 2: that Sandy probably costs more to trade than Freddy, and

446
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Speaker 2: but you do get that extra year. But also with

447
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Speaker 2: I mean, I don't know, I'm sure this comes into

448
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Speaker 2: the conversation with a lot of the executives right now

449
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Speaker 2: with the lockout looming, you probably do give so much

450
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Speaker 2: more credence to this year than another year. Like that

451
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Speaker 2: second year of control for Sandy probably doesn't hold as

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Speaker 2: much weight as would in a different offseason.

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Speaker 1: Especially because if they miss a month, you're like, oh, great,

454
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Speaker 1: one less month of the guy I just traded for.

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Speaker 2: And again it's not simple, it's not a one to

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Speaker 2: one comparison. But guys did opt out of twenty twenty

457
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Speaker 2: season because not the same thing, and then they still

458
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Speaker 2: got that that year where they got that that still

459
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Speaker 2: was acknowledged on their contract. So I they do think

460
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Speaker 2: that's interesting because Sandy, with with the factor of two

461
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Speaker 2: years control, costs a little bit more. Also, I don't

462
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Speaker 2: know exactly what the Marlins would want and That's where

463
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Speaker 2: I'm in a weird spot with trying to like pick

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Speaker 2: out a proposal for them.

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Speaker 1: Ronnie Mauricio, Why do they want Ryan Marisio. The reason

466
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Speaker 1: I say that is because, well, what they have, no,

467
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Speaker 1: they have no infield prospects whatsoever.

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Speaker 2: They're infield.

469
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Speaker 1: They have tons of infielders that but Ronnie does the

470
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Speaker 1: thing that the Rays loved in the past, which is

471
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Speaker 1: major league ready player. All you need to do is

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Speaker 1: make the adjustment at the major league level, which they

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Speaker 1: Peter Bendix did great with the Rays did great this

474
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Speaker 1: year with the Marlins.

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Speaker 2: If you can get and Ronnie Maurisio.

476
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Speaker 1: In terms of like these MLB ready players, we're looking

477
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Speaker 1: at Max Egzavilo. There's one of the highest ceilings there is.

478
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Speaker 1: He can hit the ball harder than almost anybody in baseball.

479
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Speaker 1: So maybe just a few quick little tweaks to his

480
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Speaker 1: game and you feel like you have a guy who

481
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Speaker 1: could be a I don't want to say cornerstone, but

482
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Speaker 1: someone that you help build around.

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Speaker 2: With this Marlins organization, I still think with that you

484
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Speaker 2: certainly need to give more than just Ryan. Oh it

485
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Speaker 2: wasn't just him, but I'm saying I think they want

486
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Speaker 2: a major league ish ready players. That's what they I

487
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Speaker 2: think are gonna be targeting, like for A or guys

488
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Speaker 2: who could be in Triple A making their major leagues

489
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Speaker 2: in the next year or two. I think that even

490
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Speaker 2: with that, you probably still have to give up one

491
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Speaker 2: of our next tier of pitching prospects, one of the

492
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Speaker 2: wener Sansucci. Will Watson's like that one of those guys

493
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Speaker 2: definitely in the mix for that as well. We're also

494
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Speaker 2: I again, you tell me that return. I think that

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Speaker 2: that's commensurate with different frontline starting pitcher packtor we've seen

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Speaker 2: the last few years. I do think that's something that

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Speaker 2: I'd be kind of okay with.

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Speaker 1: Like should I'd love to give him Viventos, but I

499
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Speaker 1: doubt they're gonna take him not anymore.

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Speaker 2: I mean get like I Wenre is probably the one

501
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Speaker 2: guy from that list I just said if I want

502
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Speaker 2: to hold the most. I do like Will Watson a

503
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Speaker 2: lot too, but I think he is a little bit

504
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Speaker 2: less about Tucci Tucci. I like Tuc Tucci. I need

505
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Speaker 2: to see it. I gotta see that changer from tucc.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I think that we saw a little bit more in college,

508
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Speaker 2: and we've seen the pro so far. Maybe the mest

509
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Speaker 2: just wanted to have him perfect the two before we

510
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Speaker 2: get the three, while knowing that you need the three

511
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Speaker 2: to take the next step. So maybe this year double

512
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Speaker 2: A like the big qu for twoc is. I want

513
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Speaker 2: to call him touch. I think we just figure out.

514
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Speaker 2: I think that that's the cue this year. Like, you

515
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Speaker 2: gotta start seeing change up now that you're in upper minors,

516
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Speaker 2: because you can't just you can get away with the

517
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Speaker 2: lower miners. You probably still get away with double A

518
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Speaker 2: with elite fastball slier combo, but we need to see more.

519
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Speaker 2: But I'm kind of falling in level Wenger, especially the

520
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Speaker 2: fact that Wenger has like the horse build. Like I

521
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Speaker 2: I love a guy like Will Watson with the low,

522
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Speaker 2: the low slow fastball and the slider building off it.

523
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Speaker 2: But I always get scared about what future workloads look

524
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Speaker 2: like and home run rates look like for guys for

525
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Speaker 2: a six, one, one eighty with great shape fastballs, they're

526
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Speaker 2: only ninety four miles now.

527
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Speaker 1: Is just very funny because we have a guy on

528
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Speaker 1: this list that's the exact same build exactly literally the

529
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Speaker 1: same guys.

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Speaker 2: We'll just talk about him real quick. Throw them in

531
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Speaker 2: and we were doing the pictures part of this first,

532
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Speaker 2: and I guess we'll get other positions after. Yeah, Joe Ryan,

533
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Speaker 2: we know that Will Watson.

534
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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's the Will Watson build that's being really really

535
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Speaker 1: generous to Will Watson, disrespectful to Joe Ryan, who's the build. Yeah,

536
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Speaker 1: the build is the same, the quality of pictures not

537
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Speaker 1: the same. Because Joe Ryan is a top twenty pitcher

538
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Speaker 1: in the game. He's really really good. The fastball is fantastic,

539
00:21:33,320 --> 00:21:36,119
Speaker 1: gives up home runs. We like everything that you just mentioned.

540
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Speaker 1: Worry about their ability, get worried about durability. That being said,

541
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Speaker 1: he's going to be available. Twins are going to be selling.

542
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Speaker 1: They got the weird ownership thing going on. They stink,

543
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Speaker 1: like I can't imagine that they're they're dying to keep

544
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Speaker 1: Joe Ryan around. But also at the same time, the

545
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Speaker 1: Twins ever want to compete. They're like two signings away

546
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Speaker 1: from winning the ALE Central.

547
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Speaker 2: I mean he made they may have even one signing

548
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Speaker 2: away from the ALE Central. Like seriously, they might be

549
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Speaker 2: like one reliever in one just position player of a

550
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Speaker 2: random position and away from winning days because they got

551
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Speaker 2: bald Delli his stink out of there. So and just

552
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Speaker 2: also just for clarification, like the Twins also could trade

553
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Speaker 2: Pabo Lopez de Marbins also could trade Edward Cabrera. But

554
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Speaker 2: we've heard very little about those guys on the trade front,

555
00:22:12,840 --> 00:22:15,240
Speaker 2: and those guys also have more control than Sandy and

556
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Speaker 2: Joe Ryan were mentioning, So I think it's worth highlighting

557
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Speaker 2: those two. But focusing this attention on Sandy and Joe

558
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Speaker 2: Ryan Ryan is fun. I think that we're almost at

559
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Speaker 2: a point where Joe Ryan has super maybe he's already

560
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Speaker 2: superseded with his talent actually is in terms of the

561
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Speaker 2: picture he is. We love philosoity in the Mets Stuff podcast,

562
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Speaker 2: we love stuff in the Met Step podcast. And while

563
00:22:33,640 --> 00:22:37,240
Speaker 2: Joe Ryan has sensational fastball shape, he's had trouble in

564
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Speaker 2: his career sustaining plus philosophy. And when he's had the

565
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Speaker 2: most philosophy his career in twenty twenty four, that's also

566
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Speaker 2: when he got hurt. He missed the last two months

567
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Speaker 2: of that season. This year he's just stayed in the

568
00:22:45,920 --> 00:22:48,960
Speaker 2: whole season slightly better. Velosity couldn't get back to the

569
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Speaker 2: ninety four to ninety five from twenty four this year

570
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Speaker 2: was more than ninety two to ninety four and he's

571
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Speaker 2: still still the only picture. I still think he's the

572
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Speaker 2: top twenty guy in the game, but he to me

573
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Speaker 2: is bucketed with Freddie Peralta similarly has the more secondary

574
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Speaker 2: stuff that's helped him get to that spot.

575
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Speaker 3: Though.

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Speaker 1: Do you remember who Joe Ryan was originally traded for

577
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Speaker 1: twins go into the Rays any idea? Was it?

578
00:23:08,240 --> 00:23:08,840
Speaker 2: Nelson Cruise?

579
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Speaker 1: Nelson Cruz and one of your boys in the relief

580
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Speaker 1: one of my boys in relief? I remember Orleans who

581
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Speaker 1: Calvin fauche Ah fun one That was Joe Ryan.

582
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Speaker 2: Also, just to ties back to Will Watson, he had

583
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Speaker 2: the same hipster prospect pedigree that Will Watson's starting to

584
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Speaker 2: get now with the people who are like this is

585
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Speaker 2: something that isn't again the time for Joe Ryan, who

586
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Speaker 2: was even more hipsters. I think publicly we weren't as

587
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Speaker 2: focused on fastball shape yet that was when we were

588
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Speaker 2: just also like high fastballs kill sinkers, like that was

589
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Speaker 2: the prospect way for Joe Ryan. Like twenty eighteen twenty nineteen,

590
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Speaker 2: when he was starting to get famous, that was also

591
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Speaker 2: when we kind of felt like the Razer are trying

592
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Speaker 2: to lose their fastball in terms of acquisitions where they

593
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Speaker 2: were like, why are they making this trade? Everyone loves

594
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Speaker 2: Joe Ryan, but it's it's a fun system. But I'm

595
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Speaker 2: I don't know how confident I am in giving Joe

596
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Speaker 2: Ryan a huge extension. You also don't have to because

597
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Speaker 2: he hap un til twenty twenty eight.

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Speaker 1: And that's why I think the Mets would be interested

599
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Speaker 1: in is he could be a frontline starter without having

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Speaker 1: to ever pay him a lot of money or at.

601
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Speaker 2: Least get a lot more day than on him before

602
00:24:06,400 --> 00:24:07,960
Speaker 2: we have to consider paying him a lot of money.

603
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Speaker 1: Because he's gonna hit free agency at like thirty one

604
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Speaker 1: or thirty two, I think, so it's a little less

605
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Speaker 1: enticing than some of these other guys for extensions.

606
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Speaker 2: He's arbitration eligible right now. So yes, yeah, all right,

607
00:24:19,200 --> 00:24:21,560
Speaker 2: let's talk about some hitters. Wait, oh, four, will you

608
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Speaker 2: want to trade for Joe Ryan similar package to what

609
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Speaker 2: you said for Sandy? Yeah. I think he might be

610
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Speaker 2: a tiny bit more truthfully, because he got two full

611
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Speaker 2: years of control on probably but like twenty six, twenty seven,

612
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Speaker 2: not for agents for twenty eight. That's the same thing

613
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Speaker 2: as Sandy. No Sandy, oh yeah, oh yeah, two full

614
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Speaker 2: years yeah right, yeah, I think they're comparable. I think

615
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Speaker 2: Joe Ryan slight more.

616
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Speaker 1: You might get one better prospect or maybe more prospect

617
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Speaker 1: capital rather than MLB ready guys.

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Speaker 2: It depends what the Twins want. I think young prospects too.

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Speaker 2: Like Joe Ryan's a guy where I could see the

620
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Speaker 2: Twins just just to just to say it's just asking

621
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Speaker 2: fairly and payya yeah, because they're like, give us, give

622
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Speaker 2: us the fun. Seventeen year old you got yeah, eighteen now,

623
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Speaker 2: Oh he's eighteen now. So I do think that would

624
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Speaker 2: be someone that where there's a that name could come up.

625
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Speaker 2: I think the Mets, honestly though, still would balk if

626
00:25:05,800 --> 00:25:07,480
Speaker 2: anybody brought him up. I do I agree?

627
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Speaker 4: All right?

628
00:25:08,280 --> 00:25:11,359
Speaker 2: Now for hitters bats, I want to tell Marte I

629
00:25:11,480 --> 00:25:13,040
Speaker 2: want him so bad. I want him so bad.

630
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Speaker 1: Can tell Barte is criminally, criminally underrated in Major League

631
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Speaker 1: Baseball and we're he's starting to get the respect that

632
00:25:20,760 --> 00:25:24,040
Speaker 1: he deserves, which I'm happy about. But like the the

633
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Speaker 1: fun stats always like to read out, it's like, do

634
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Speaker 1: you know, can tell Marte was seventh in WRC plus

635
00:25:27,840 --> 00:25:30,159
Speaker 1: this year in Major League Baseball one forty five. That

636
00:25:30,240 --> 00:25:32,600
Speaker 1: was ahead of Pete Alonzo Freddi Freeman, Corbyn carov Lad

637
00:25:32,800 --> 00:25:36,240
Speaker 1: Junior who's a superstar, Raffield Dever's like he had a

638
00:25:36,280 --> 00:25:40,159
Speaker 1: better WRC plus and Jose Ramirez like that's These are elite,

639
00:25:40,160 --> 00:25:43,800
Speaker 1: elite players. The only guys better are like Sodo cal Rawley,

640
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Speaker 1: Shoeo Tani Judge. He also plays a completely acceptable second base.

641
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Speaker 1: It's not good, it's not bad, but when you hit

642
00:25:50,280 --> 00:25:53,080
Speaker 1: like Cantel Marte, you don't really mind it. The two

643
00:25:53,240 --> 00:25:56,000
Speaker 1: big issues with him One, Diamonbacks probably might not want

644
00:25:56,040 --> 00:25:57,760
Speaker 1: to trade him. We know there was the weird rumors

645
00:25:57,800 --> 00:26:01,120
Speaker 1: about his commitment into the team in the second half

646
00:26:01,119 --> 00:26:04,440
Speaker 1: of the season, but Heraldo Perdomo squashed those. Also, he

647
00:26:04,560 --> 00:26:07,160
Speaker 1: costs a lot of money and he's injury prone. Those

648
00:26:07,200 --> 00:26:09,240
Speaker 1: are kind of the big elephants in the room.

649
00:26:10,280 --> 00:26:13,640
Speaker 2: And it's it's the injuries that are just always kind

650
00:26:13,680 --> 00:26:17,000
Speaker 2: of there. It's really just annoying. TICKI tak nonsense? Can

651
00:26:17,080 --> 00:26:19,200
Speaker 2: I can I read you out the history of Catamart

652
00:26:19,240 --> 00:26:22,000
Speaker 2: says injuries every single reason he's missed a game in

653
00:26:22,080 --> 00:26:24,119
Speaker 2: his major league career. Hit me all right, this can

654
00:26:24,160 --> 00:26:28,959
Speaker 2: take a while, so you gotta strap in foot, foot, groin, hamstring, ankle,

655
00:26:29,200 --> 00:26:32,840
Speaker 2: lower body, hand back back. That was just twenty twenty

656
00:26:32,840 --> 00:26:33,720
Speaker 2: five and twenty twenty four.

657
00:26:35,359 --> 00:26:37,640
Speaker 1: I mean a lot of operation here, got a lot

658
00:26:37,640 --> 00:26:39,399
Speaker 1: of muscle sounds like, not a lot of water, not

659
00:26:39,480 --> 00:26:39,840
Speaker 1: a lot.

660
00:26:39,720 --> 00:26:49,920
Speaker 2: Of stretching, illness, knee, quad, back, undisclosed, hamstring, hamstring, hand hip, hamstring, hamstring, wrist, back, hamstring, leg,

661
00:26:50,240 --> 00:26:53,080
Speaker 2: back growing. Just get this guy stretching and he'll be healthy.

662
00:26:53,680 --> 00:26:55,879
Speaker 2: I hate how often you hear the word hamstring in

663
00:26:55,920 --> 00:26:59,280
Speaker 2: a situation like that, because that's the one that's the killer. Yeah,

664
00:26:59,280 --> 00:27:03,200
Speaker 2: because Katubar sneaky old as well. He's like thirty two, Yeah,

665
00:27:03,280 --> 00:27:06,000
Speaker 2: turn thirty two. So you're still kind of like hoping

666
00:27:06,200 --> 00:27:09,720
Speaker 2: that you get the elite version of catel Marte. But again,

667
00:27:09,760 --> 00:27:11,359
Speaker 2: like you said at the top, this year, his ops

668
00:27:11,400 --> 00:27:13,920
Speaker 2: for the season was nestled between Wan Sother and Corban Carrol,

669
00:27:14,000 --> 00:27:16,480
Speaker 2: Like this is a super elite hither at the end

670
00:27:16,480 --> 00:27:18,840
Speaker 2: of the day, one that's not really available very often.

671
00:27:18,960 --> 00:27:20,680
Speaker 1: No, and we don't know if he is, but it's

672
00:27:20,680 --> 00:27:21,720
Speaker 1: a name that I want to throw out there, and

673
00:27:21,720 --> 00:27:24,200
Speaker 1: I'll always throw out let's trade salaries. We'll give you

674
00:27:24,240 --> 00:27:26,440
Speaker 1: brandon Nimo in some prospects you give us Kaitel Marte.

675
00:27:27,080 --> 00:27:28,879
Speaker 2: I think that is where this one becomes interesting. I

676
00:27:28,960 --> 00:27:30,760
Speaker 2: hoping you want to bring up the Nemo aspect, because

677
00:27:31,040 --> 00:27:33,359
Speaker 2: Catel Marte is in the He's only in the second

678
00:27:33,440 --> 00:27:35,080
Speaker 2: year of a sixty year, one hundred and seventeen million

679
00:27:35,080 --> 00:27:37,840
Speaker 2: dollars extension, so he's due five for one hundred straight

680
00:27:37,920 --> 00:27:39,920
Speaker 2: up after this with some some escalator.

681
00:27:39,960 --> 00:27:42,440
Speaker 1: He's a way better player than Neimo and Nimo. Even

682
00:27:42,480 --> 00:27:44,480
Speaker 1: in a world where the dinmebacks say yes, Nimo would

683
00:27:44,480 --> 00:27:46,240
Speaker 1: have to say yes too because he's got no trade clause.

684
00:27:46,320 --> 00:27:49,120
Speaker 2: But my crazy part no trade clause is oh, okay,

685
00:27:49,160 --> 00:27:51,160
Speaker 2: I didn't know Cantel does two. Katel had a five

686
00:27:51,240 --> 00:27:53,840
Speaker 2: team no trade list, and then he has full note

687
00:27:53,960 --> 00:27:56,640
Speaker 2: trade protection starting twenty twenty six via ten to five rights.

688
00:27:56,680 --> 00:27:58,200
Speaker 2: There you go, all right, ten to five rights for

689
00:27:58,240 --> 00:27:59,480
Speaker 2: you guys when the player is in the league for

690
00:27:59,520 --> 00:28:01,479
Speaker 2: ten years and it's with one team for five There

691
00:28:01,560 --> 00:28:04,720
Speaker 2: we go simple. But yeah, I love Goodell, yeah tells.

692
00:28:04,760 --> 00:28:08,080
Speaker 2: But also I love I love looking at the escalators

693
00:28:08,119 --> 00:28:10,280
Speaker 2: that like the little little bonuses guys getting their contracts

694
00:28:10,320 --> 00:28:13,520
Speaker 2: for things. Kathel Marte gets money for play appearances, so

695
00:28:13,720 --> 00:28:16,280
Speaker 2: every year he gets five hundred K for five hundred

696
00:28:16,280 --> 00:28:18,399
Speaker 2: play appearances, another five hundred K for five to fifty,

697
00:28:18,720 --> 00:28:21,240
Speaker 2: and seven to fifty K for six hundred and sev

698
00:28:21,240 --> 00:28:22,560
Speaker 2: fifty here for six to twenty five. So if cou

699
00:28:22,600 --> 00:28:24,600
Speaker 2: Tell Marte gets six or twenty five play appearances, you

700
00:28:24,720 --> 00:28:26,520
Speaker 2: just made two and a half million dollars. Yeah, that's great.

701
00:28:26,600 --> 00:28:28,080
Speaker 2: I'd love to pay him that extra two million. That

702
00:28:28,119 --> 00:28:31,640
Speaker 2: means he's playing. And the Nimo aspect is interesting because

703
00:28:31,680 --> 00:28:33,080
Speaker 2: we've said before, Hi, We're gonna say a lot of

704
00:28:33,080 --> 00:28:35,040
Speaker 2: this offseason. I think that the Mets want to trade

705
00:28:35,040 --> 00:28:37,440
Speaker 2: Brandon Nemo. I think they almost have to. It's a

706
00:28:37,520 --> 00:28:39,920
Speaker 2: it's a contract that David Stearns didn't sign, the contract

707
00:28:39,960 --> 00:28:42,720
Speaker 2: that David Stearns wouldn't sign, and to player that Brandon

708
00:28:42,800 --> 00:28:44,840
Speaker 2: was still a good year. Brandon was still a good player. Brandon.

709
00:28:44,920 --> 00:28:47,000
Speaker 2: You don't lose because of Brandon Nemo. But in terms

710
00:28:47,040 --> 00:28:50,960
Speaker 2: of seeking flexibility with a roster, that's a spot where

711
00:28:50,960 --> 00:28:52,840
Speaker 2: you'd love to have some You'd love to just have

712
00:28:53,640 --> 00:28:56,360
Speaker 2: more athletic corner outfielders. As crazy as to say it's

713
00:28:56,360 --> 00:28:59,120
Speaker 2: horrible and left field this year, Yeah, he grated, Fine,

714
00:28:59,160 --> 00:29:00,840
Speaker 2: we know we see the pub but grads being fine,

715
00:29:00,840 --> 00:29:03,680
Speaker 2: But we know that these teams have different defensive metrics

716
00:29:03,720 --> 00:29:05,720
Speaker 2: and OAA drs the inside because you know how flawed

717
00:29:05,720 --> 00:29:07,160
Speaker 2: those are and those have been developed by Again it's

718
00:29:07,160 --> 00:29:09,680
Speaker 2: the public sphere and just watching brand them will run.

719
00:29:09,760 --> 00:29:11,800
Speaker 2: You know, you can get a more athletic corner outfielder,

720
00:29:11,880 --> 00:29:14,560
Speaker 2: so if you could attach him, they're basically they do

721
00:29:14,760 --> 00:29:16,800
Speaker 2: very similar amount of money for it and then we'll

722
00:29:16,880 --> 00:29:18,960
Speaker 2: do it for a fewer years. So if you flip

723
00:29:19,000 --> 00:29:21,120
Speaker 2: that with the Diambacks could also use nowfielder and they

724
00:29:21,160 --> 00:29:23,360
Speaker 2: can sell like hey, and they have in field depth

725
00:29:23,400 --> 00:29:25,160
Speaker 2: relatively in their systems, you can kind of sell that

726
00:29:25,280 --> 00:29:28,000
Speaker 2: and then being like we're going to add again pitching

727
00:29:28,040 --> 00:29:30,320
Speaker 2: prospects that we have similar talk about the Will Watson

728
00:29:30,360 --> 00:29:33,160
Speaker 2: talk about the Santucci's maybe throwing one of the rhymers

729
00:29:33,200 --> 00:29:35,000
Speaker 2: of the Ewings, if you even have to go that far.

730
00:29:35,120 --> 00:29:38,120
Speaker 2: With the salaries matching like it is something that I'm

731
00:29:38,160 --> 00:29:40,400
Speaker 2: sure this conversation will happen behind the scenes, yes.

732
00:29:40,400 --> 00:29:44,240
Speaker 1: And hopefully it goes in our favor. Another salary conversation.

733
00:29:44,480 --> 00:29:48,680
Speaker 1: Talk trade guy here, Louis Robert Junior. You guys heard

734
00:29:48,880 --> 00:29:51,480
Speaker 1: me and James, but I was, I was so damn

735
00:29:51,560 --> 00:29:54,760
Speaker 1: loud about how badis yeah Louis Robert. I said, I'd

736
00:29:54,800 --> 00:29:57,760
Speaker 1: drive more Ciento's Chicago and back, like I I'll do anything.

737
00:29:58,280 --> 00:30:00,920
Speaker 1: I still think this guy ange of scenery. He is

738
00:30:01,040 --> 00:30:04,240
Speaker 1: going to go back to being an all star caliber player.

739
00:30:04,360 --> 00:30:07,360
Speaker 1: All the under the hood stuff looks fantastic. Was actually

740
00:30:07,400 --> 00:30:09,440
Speaker 1: pretty good last year. The under the hood stuff played

741
00:30:09,720 --> 00:30:12,400
Speaker 1: best of his career. Yeah, played elite defense, got on base,

742
00:30:12,720 --> 00:30:15,680
Speaker 1: hit the ball hard. He probably just looks around and goes,

743
00:30:15,720 --> 00:30:17,720
Speaker 1: where did all my friends go? Because he was he

744
00:30:17,840 --> 00:30:18,400
Speaker 1: was brought up.

745
00:30:18,680 --> 00:30:19,320
Speaker 2: The team won.

746
00:30:19,600 --> 00:30:22,160
Speaker 1: Then they said, wait, we need to bring in Tony LaRussa.

747
00:30:22,440 --> 00:30:25,360
Speaker 1: He poisoned the White Sox, along with Jerry Reinstorf being

748
00:30:25,360 --> 00:30:27,800
Speaker 1: an idiot and everybody else an organization still using pen

749
00:30:27,920 --> 00:30:30,800
Speaker 1: and paper, their pencils in paper. And then all of

750
00:30:30,840 --> 00:30:33,040
Speaker 1: a sudden, Luisa Bear is the only guy from those

751
00:30:33,080 --> 00:30:35,120
Speaker 1: teams that had success on this roster. I'm sure he

752
00:30:35,200 --> 00:30:36,720
Speaker 1: wants to get the fuck out of there.

753
00:30:37,160 --> 00:30:40,000
Speaker 2: I want him on the Mets. And Luis Robert is

754
00:30:40,080 --> 00:30:42,200
Speaker 2: still an elite defensive player, so you have that floor.

755
00:30:42,280 --> 00:30:44,640
Speaker 2: And again, the twenty million dollars was a sticking point.

756
00:30:44,680 --> 00:30:46,240
Speaker 2: For Louis ro Bear, and we talked about him a

757
00:30:46,240 --> 00:30:48,560
Speaker 2: lot at the trade deadline, and if you look at

758
00:30:48,600 --> 00:30:50,720
Speaker 2: the free agent market this year, you're probably not getting

759
00:30:51,320 --> 00:30:53,840
Speaker 2: a player that is has a two win floor for

760
00:30:53,920 --> 00:30:56,760
Speaker 2: twenty million dollars. That probably is actually basically with the cost.

761
00:30:56,920 --> 00:30:59,720
Speaker 2: Like I don't think Trent Grisham's getting to twenty million

762
00:30:59,720 --> 00:31:01,160
Speaker 2: dollars the year, but he's probably going to get not

763
00:31:01,280 --> 00:31:03,320
Speaker 2: much less than that, and you probably give multiple years.

764
00:31:03,360 --> 00:31:04,800
Speaker 2: That's a little bit more risk, even though I don't

765
00:31:05,040 --> 00:31:06,280
Speaker 2: know if it's that big of a risk, but this

766
00:31:06,320 --> 00:31:09,000
Speaker 2: is Luis Robert. I think it's a two wind floor

767
00:31:09,360 --> 00:31:10,800
Speaker 2: and I think it's a five or six win ceiling.

768
00:31:10,880 --> 00:31:12,360
Speaker 2: I still think that's in there because you're getting a

769
00:31:12,400 --> 00:31:14,600
Speaker 2: lead center field defense and he's had He just had

770
00:31:14,640 --> 00:31:16,239
Speaker 2: the best Chase Raates career, just had the best walk

771
00:31:16,320 --> 00:31:18,160
Speaker 2: rate of his career. His bast s beat is still

772
00:31:18,200 --> 00:31:20,360
Speaker 2: super elite, his sprint speed is still super elite. Like

773
00:31:20,400 --> 00:31:22,600
Speaker 2: this is a premier athlete who's still in the prime

774
00:31:22,600 --> 00:31:25,440
Speaker 2: of his career. You have a unique opportunity to buy

775
00:31:25,520 --> 00:31:27,800
Speaker 2: low right now. And I think that's something that was

776
00:31:27,880 --> 00:31:30,760
Speaker 2: considered the deadline and should be strongly considered again given

777
00:31:30,800 --> 00:31:32,240
Speaker 2: the Mets gaping hole at centerfield.

778
00:31:32,320 --> 00:31:34,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, he could be. He could be a difference maker

779
00:31:34,160 --> 00:31:36,360
Speaker 1: in this team. He could really change not only offensively,

780
00:31:36,400 --> 00:31:39,160
Speaker 1: but more so defensively, what this team looks like. Do

781
00:31:39,240 --> 00:31:41,160
Speaker 1: you think that Mark Fiantos is still in these table?

782
00:31:43,080 --> 00:31:45,960
Speaker 2: Is that true? You'd make yes? I think I would

783
00:31:46,000 --> 00:31:47,600
Speaker 2: like to know you guys in the comments, what you

784
00:31:47,640 --> 00:31:49,840
Speaker 2: would do about Luis Robert because we don't how device

785
00:31:49,880 --> 00:31:52,000
Speaker 2: if that was in July, after what we saw from

786
00:31:52,000 --> 00:31:54,240
Speaker 2: the Mets down the stretch and Mark Viento, especially in September,

787
00:31:54,520 --> 00:31:56,160
Speaker 2: why would you guys think about the Mark Fianzo's for

788
00:31:56,240 --> 00:31:58,080
Speaker 2: Luis Robert Junior? Swat? I mean I do I do

789
00:31:58,200 --> 00:32:00,240
Speaker 2: Ronnie for him too? Like either one of those? Okay?

790
00:32:00,320 --> 00:32:02,040
Speaker 2: With what about as we get down to some of

791
00:32:02,040 --> 00:32:03,800
Speaker 2: the more fun younger Chris, would you do like a

792
00:32:03,840 --> 00:32:07,720
Speaker 2: Clifford than a Ewing? No too much? Which one of

793
00:32:07,760 --> 00:32:11,719
Speaker 2: those do you like more? Clifford? I still can't get

794
00:32:11,760 --> 00:32:12,280
Speaker 2: you in on Ewing.

795
00:32:12,360 --> 00:32:12,479
Speaker 4: Huh.

796
00:32:12,600 --> 00:32:13,880
Speaker 2: It's not that I'm not in on Ewing.

797
00:32:13,960 --> 00:32:16,720
Speaker 1: It's just seeing what Clifford like, the the underlying stuff

798
00:32:16,800 --> 00:32:19,760
Speaker 1: after in Triple A feels like he could be again

799
00:32:19,840 --> 00:32:22,040
Speaker 1: we say this is the laziest compounder but Lucas Duda,

800
00:32:22,160 --> 00:32:23,040
Speaker 1: but maybe a little better.

801
00:32:23,400 --> 00:32:24,880
Speaker 2: It could be like a better vision of Markantas.

802
00:32:24,960 --> 00:32:28,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, literally, a better version of him j ewings the people.

803
00:32:29,000 --> 00:32:30,320
Speaker 1: I just I'm gonna need a little more on him.

804
00:32:30,320 --> 00:32:32,800
Speaker 2: Still, yep, I moved on you a couple another hither.

805
00:32:32,840 --> 00:32:34,239
Speaker 2: I think this is the last big hit we're going

806
00:32:34,280 --> 00:32:36,320
Speaker 2: to talk about, and this one I don't really want

807
00:32:36,320 --> 00:32:38,600
Speaker 2: to talk about because this means something else will not happen.

808
00:32:38,680 --> 00:32:42,240
Speaker 2: But Wilson Contreres on the Cardinals. Wilson contrast, has said

809
00:32:42,240 --> 00:32:44,000
Speaker 2: a few times he doesn't want to be traded, But

810
00:32:44,080 --> 00:32:46,200
Speaker 2: at the same time, we've heard the Cardinals say that

811
00:32:46,280 --> 00:32:49,120
Speaker 2: they're going to tear this motherfucker down from the scenes.

812
00:32:49,200 --> 00:32:51,720
Speaker 2: The Cardinals, after having an off season where they signed

813
00:32:51,760 --> 00:32:54,160
Speaker 2: no baseball players, might have to do that again while

814
00:32:54,200 --> 00:32:56,600
Speaker 2: trading every single member of their core that has any value.

815
00:32:56,640 --> 00:32:59,800
Speaker 2: And oddly, Wolston Craist is a guy that has kind

816
00:32:59,840 --> 00:33:00,760
Speaker 2: of significant value.

817
00:33:01,120 --> 00:33:04,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, Contreras was low key good. He's made the he's

818
00:33:04,400 --> 00:33:07,000
Speaker 1: made the change from catcher to first base. Still could catch,

819
00:33:07,080 --> 00:33:09,920
Speaker 1: by the way in a pitch, totally an emergency catcher.

820
00:33:10,320 --> 00:33:12,640
Speaker 1: But when you look at you know, hitters at first

821
00:33:12,680 --> 00:33:15,120
Speaker 1: base this year, Wilsonchreris is like around the top ten

822
00:33:15,360 --> 00:33:18,800
Speaker 1: WRC plus, still put up twenty homers, eighty RBIs walle that.

823
00:33:18,840 --> 00:33:19,920
Speaker 2: Stills a missing time with injury.

824
00:33:20,040 --> 00:33:23,160
Speaker 1: Yes, walks enough, doesn't strike out a ton. He's just

825
00:33:23,280 --> 00:33:26,720
Speaker 1: he's a good baseball player. Obviously, Pete Alonzo is way better.

826
00:33:26,760 --> 00:33:29,040
Speaker 1: Pete had the highest WRC plus off any qualified first

827
00:33:29,080 --> 00:33:32,200
Speaker 1: basemen in baseball this season, so there is a difference.

828
00:33:32,240 --> 00:33:33,320
Speaker 2: There is a drop off here.

829
00:33:33,760 --> 00:33:37,280
Speaker 1: Wilskonterreres wouldn't be such a dramatic drop off for what

830
00:33:37,400 --> 00:33:38,960
Speaker 1: we would have to pay him and also what we.

831
00:33:38,960 --> 00:33:41,880
Speaker 2: Would give up, which pretty much wouldn't be that much. No,

832
00:33:42,000 --> 00:33:44,480
Speaker 2: Wilson Contreras has two years and thirty six and a

833
00:33:44,480 --> 00:33:46,320
Speaker 2: half million left to to him, and that's what the

834
00:33:46,320 --> 00:33:48,240
Speaker 2: club option the following year for seventeen and a half

835
00:33:48,280 --> 00:33:51,040
Speaker 2: million dollars, and that signed through thirty six years old,

836
00:33:51,120 --> 00:33:53,400
Speaker 2: which is the sticking point. We've talked to you guys

837
00:33:53,400 --> 00:33:55,840
Speaker 2: a lot about with wanting to resign pi Alonzo being

838
00:33:55,880 --> 00:33:57,160
Speaker 2: like we all know, he looks like a thirty five

839
00:33:57,200 --> 00:33:59,160
Speaker 2: thirty six now we're training for a guy thirty five

840
00:33:59,200 --> 00:34:01,959
Speaker 2: to thirty six. The same time, Wilson Contreras still has

841
00:34:01,960 --> 00:34:04,160
Speaker 2: the elite bat speed. He's still showing the elite bat

842
00:34:04,200 --> 00:34:04,640
Speaker 2: to ball.

843
00:34:04,720 --> 00:34:05,239
Speaker 4: You're over here.

844
00:34:05,280 --> 00:34:08,279
Speaker 2: Wilskentreras has never been a bad hitter. And the other

845
00:34:08,360 --> 00:34:11,080
Speaker 2: element about Wilson Contraras that's interesting is that we knew

846
00:34:11,120 --> 00:34:13,640
Speaker 2: about the how do you want to call this? The

847
00:34:13,840 --> 00:34:15,799
Speaker 2: way the Mets clubhouse kind of evolved over the year.

848
00:34:15,880 --> 00:34:18,840
Speaker 2: The clicks, yeah, the clicks of it. Wilson Contreras is

849
00:34:18,880 --> 00:34:21,000
Speaker 2: a player that, for lack of a better term, has

850
00:34:21,040 --> 00:34:23,680
Speaker 2: some shit to him. This guy is not going to

851
00:34:23,760 --> 00:34:25,880
Speaker 2: let players take it easy. He's someone that is a

852
00:34:25,960 --> 00:34:27,960
Speaker 2: bit of that raw rock guy. He's a kind of

853
00:34:28,080 --> 00:34:29,480
Speaker 2: a bit of a high head. We saw the TI

854
00:34:29,600 --> 00:34:31,080
Speaker 2: raid he had with an umpire towards the end of

855
00:34:31,120 --> 00:34:34,759
Speaker 2: the season. He's he's a little nuts that. There's some

856
00:34:34,840 --> 00:34:36,719
Speaker 2: people who think want that for the Mets. So I

857
00:34:36,719 --> 00:34:38,520
Speaker 2: could see some people being like, I'm scared of throwing,

858
00:34:38,680 --> 00:34:41,200
Speaker 2: you know, throwing a match into this into this gasoline

859
00:34:41,239 --> 00:34:43,359
Speaker 2: the point that we poured over the Mets club pass here.

860
00:34:43,440 --> 00:34:46,759
Speaker 2: But I can see there being some value in what

861
00:34:46,920 --> 00:34:48,719
Speaker 2: that could bring and that's of course, if the Mets

862
00:34:48,719 --> 00:34:50,400
Speaker 2: don't bring back Pete Alonso. We want only if the

863
00:34:50,400 --> 00:34:52,480
Speaker 2: Mets back Alonso. We want Pelonzo. We're on the record

864
00:34:52,520 --> 00:34:54,759
Speaker 2: both want Pilonzo back in the Mets. But justin and

865
00:34:54,800 --> 00:34:56,640
Speaker 2: we're gonna have another episode for you guys soon about

866
00:34:57,120 --> 00:34:59,640
Speaker 2: every other first base option that could possibly exist if

867
00:34:59,640 --> 00:35:02,120
Speaker 2: we don't back to the Alonzo. And it'd be foolish

868
00:35:02,200 --> 00:35:04,439
Speaker 2: not to mention Wilson Conceris with them one hundred percent.

869
00:35:04,640 --> 00:35:06,880
Speaker 1: Last two guys here that will briefly talk about not

870
00:35:07,080 --> 00:35:09,040
Speaker 1: nearly as cool, but I'm gonna get the Mets of

871
00:35:09,040 --> 00:35:09,520
Speaker 1: the podcast.

872
00:35:09,560 --> 00:35:10,319
Speaker 2: We got to get weird.

873
00:35:10,520 --> 00:35:13,360
Speaker 1: On the pitching side, James bullpen arm, Carlos as Stevez.

874
00:35:13,920 --> 00:35:17,040
Speaker 1: We might need a closer. Here's a chance if Edwin

875
00:35:17,440 --> 00:35:19,080
Speaker 1: need an and we still need a seven man no

876
00:35:19,200 --> 00:35:21,560
Speaker 1: matter what, Carlos Steves could do either.

877
00:35:21,400 --> 00:35:25,279
Speaker 2: Of those roles. Well, Carloso Stevens sneaky led the league

878
00:35:25,280 --> 00:35:27,440
Speaker 2: and saves this year. Did he really would? Yeah? Led

879
00:35:27,440 --> 00:35:29,320
Speaker 2: the league saves this year. You would never know it.

880
00:35:29,400 --> 00:35:32,160
Speaker 2: And Carlos Steves still sits ninety six, still gets up

881
00:35:32,160 --> 00:35:34,040
Speaker 2: in ninety eight, ninety nine. He doesn't have to face

882
00:35:34,080 --> 00:35:37,520
Speaker 2: Francisco Lindor, so that's good, huge plus for Carlos Steve's

883
00:35:37,520 --> 00:35:39,359
Speaker 2: I mean, he had a good year by YRN whip.

884
00:35:39,440 --> 00:35:41,200
Speaker 2: He still has good stuff. Like I said, it's not

885
00:35:41,440 --> 00:35:44,040
Speaker 2: like the best profile lever. Carlos Steves and we say

886
00:35:44,080 --> 00:35:46,000
Speaker 2: this all the time doesn't really get them many swings

887
00:35:46,040 --> 00:35:48,120
Speaker 2: and misses, which is why I wouldn't really love having

888
00:35:48,160 --> 00:35:50,480
Speaker 2: him as my closer. But a team like the Royals

889
00:35:50,520 --> 00:35:53,399
Speaker 2: always kind of likes to add talent. Again, the Royals

890
00:35:53,400 --> 00:35:55,160
Speaker 2: are one of the teams of baseball that absolutely tries

891
00:35:55,200 --> 00:35:57,879
Speaker 2: to win as much as they can given the revenue, Yes,

892
00:35:57,960 --> 00:35:59,600
Speaker 2: given the revenue they create. So I don't know if

893
00:35:59,600 --> 00:36:02,320
Speaker 2: they dump Carls the Stevas, but he's due to eleven

894
00:36:02,360 --> 00:36:03,959
Speaker 2: million for one year, so it could be a Jeff

895
00:36:04,000 --> 00:36:06,759
Speaker 2: McNeil for Carlos a Steves swap, and maybe you throwing

896
00:36:06,800 --> 00:36:08,840
Speaker 2: a prospect or you kicking the money for McNeil to

897
00:36:08,880 --> 00:36:10,920
Speaker 2: make him cost the SAME's a Stevas. If the Royals

898
00:36:11,160 --> 00:36:13,319
Speaker 2: are going to be starting Michael Massey possibly at second base,

899
00:36:13,600 --> 00:36:16,400
Speaker 2: want to upgrade there so and it's it's a situation

900
00:36:16,520 --> 00:36:19,239
Speaker 2: where they might know he's not an elite reliever. We

901
00:36:19,560 --> 00:36:21,680
Speaker 2: know that Jeffkins does not an elite second baseman anymore.

902
00:36:21,719 --> 00:36:24,120
Speaker 2: But it's kind of just deal from what you can

903
00:36:24,280 --> 00:36:26,160
Speaker 2: for either guy, and it's it's we just want to

904
00:36:26,160 --> 00:36:27,480
Speaker 2: throw them out there because we wanted to find a

905
00:36:27,560 --> 00:36:30,279
Speaker 2: reliever that was making enough money on a smaller market

906
00:36:30,320 --> 00:36:32,560
Speaker 2: team where a team could want to trade them. Last

907
00:36:32,600 --> 00:36:34,640
Speaker 2: guy we're gonna throw out here. That is your guy.

908
00:36:34,719 --> 00:36:36,759
Speaker 2: This is my guy. This is my chaos baby that

909
00:36:36,840 --> 00:36:39,920
Speaker 2: I'm trying to start. I think Garret Mitchell might be available.

910
00:36:40,160 --> 00:36:44,359
Speaker 1: Like looking at the way that this Brewers roster pans out,

911
00:36:44,920 --> 00:36:47,440
Speaker 1: Garrett Mitchell doesn't really have a spot, which is kind

912
00:36:47,480 --> 00:36:50,080
Speaker 1: of crazy to say. But they like Isaac Collins, they

913
00:36:50,160 --> 00:36:53,880
Speaker 1: like Blake Perkins, They've got Chorio, they've got South Freelick.

914
00:36:54,120 --> 00:36:56,319
Speaker 1: They play Jake Bowers every single day like they they

915
00:36:56,480 --> 00:36:59,080
Speaker 1: use that Alfield spot and it's very, very flexible. Garret

916
00:36:59,160 --> 00:37:01,319
Speaker 1: Mitchell's had injury hit, which is a reason to get

917
00:37:01,400 --> 00:37:02,719
Speaker 1: rid of him for the Brewers. You don't want to

918
00:37:02,760 --> 00:37:05,160
Speaker 1: keep a guy around who's not gonna play serious injury

919
00:37:05,440 --> 00:37:07,880
Speaker 1: serious injury history. He dropped in the draft because he

920
00:37:07,920 --> 00:37:09,800
Speaker 1: has diabetes. I don't know how much that plays into it.

921
00:37:09,880 --> 00:37:11,759
Speaker 1: But he did drop in the draft, didn't also have

922
00:37:11,760 --> 00:37:14,759
Speaker 1: a college injury. Maybe tell you the shoulder is something

923
00:37:14,800 --> 00:37:16,880
Speaker 1: back then I think he did. But also the diabetes thing.

924
00:37:16,960 --> 00:37:18,800
Speaker 1: People were a little bit worried about it because he

925
00:37:18,880 --> 00:37:20,400
Speaker 1: was like, yeah, he was a top ten talent, like

926
00:37:20,440 --> 00:37:22,000
Speaker 1: coming out of the draft considered wise.

927
00:37:22,480 --> 00:37:24,160
Speaker 2: But he fell to the Brewers later on.

928
00:37:24,800 --> 00:37:27,839
Speaker 1: And we know that the metsinya centerfielder, and if you're

929
00:37:27,840 --> 00:37:31,279
Speaker 1: gonna play Tyrone Taylor, here's a perfect platoon option. Garrett Mitchell,

930
00:37:31,400 --> 00:37:34,000
Speaker 1: left handed bat, play center field, good defense, good athlete.

931
00:37:34,360 --> 00:37:36,200
Speaker 2: It's risky. I don't know what it would cost you.

932
00:37:36,320 --> 00:37:38,839
Speaker 1: Again, he's just starting to become arbitration eligible this year,

933
00:37:38,960 --> 00:37:40,800
Speaker 1: so this is also maybe the Brewers don't want to

934
00:37:40,800 --> 00:37:42,879
Speaker 1: pay him, but it may be more so twenty twenty

935
00:37:42,960 --> 00:37:45,759
Speaker 1: seven offseason they consider trading him and moving on. Just

936
00:37:45,840 --> 00:37:47,160
Speaker 1: a name I want to throw out there as an

937
00:37:47,239 --> 00:37:51,520
Speaker 1: interesting former top prospect guy who hasn't really gotten the

938
00:37:51,719 --> 00:37:52,600
Speaker 1: chance to prove.

939
00:37:52,480 --> 00:37:54,879
Speaker 2: Himself yet at the major league level. Yeah, again, there's

940
00:37:54,920 --> 00:37:57,320
Speaker 2: no reason for the Brewis to trade him, want to

941
00:37:57,320 --> 00:37:59,840
Speaker 2: clarify that, but just the fact that this year Isaac

942
00:38:00,239 --> 00:38:03,440
Speaker 2: and Blake Perkins both prove themselves those they're both athletic,

943
00:38:03,680 --> 00:38:06,000
Speaker 2: switch hitting guys who can blame me. Collins isn't like

944
00:38:06,080 --> 00:38:08,480
Speaker 2: really truly centerfielder, but he can play center in a pinch.

945
00:38:08,520 --> 00:38:11,000
Speaker 2: Perkins is a plus defensive center fielder, and that they

946
00:38:11,080 --> 00:38:13,239
Speaker 2: still have Charia who could play centerfield, and they still

947
00:38:13,280 --> 00:38:15,040
Speaker 2: have South really who can play center field. And Brewers

948
00:38:15,120 --> 00:38:17,399
Speaker 2: just kind of shit these guys out. It's very easy.

949
00:38:17,440 --> 00:38:19,160
Speaker 2: And we talked to you guys reasoning about how Nick

950
00:38:19,239 --> 00:38:21,480
Speaker 2: Morbi though kind of is really looking to be this

951
00:38:21,640 --> 00:38:23,520
Speaker 2: archae type for the Mets, like the first development of

952
00:38:23,560 --> 00:38:26,279
Speaker 2: our own little South Blake Perkins type of player that

953
00:38:26,400 --> 00:38:28,640
Speaker 2: probably will be on this forthy man roster next year.

954
00:38:28,719 --> 00:38:31,560
Speaker 2: So that's another part here. But Mitchell's just it's like

955
00:38:31,640 --> 00:38:33,799
Speaker 2: a better version of the Jose Series trade. Yes, where

956
00:38:33,840 --> 00:38:36,560
Speaker 2: you're betting on attributes, you're betting on what you think

957
00:38:36,640 --> 00:38:38,480
Speaker 2: is still talent and pedigree. It's the guy that he's

958
00:38:38,520 --> 00:38:40,799
Speaker 2: actually really good when he plays small sample. He has

959
00:38:40,880 --> 00:38:42,800
Speaker 2: been very good baseball player in Major League Baseball. But

960
00:38:42,880 --> 00:38:44,920
Speaker 2: you do wonder if again it's also a lead basbee,

961
00:38:44,920 --> 00:38:46,640
Speaker 2: which we love. He also he's good in not swinging

962
00:38:46,680 --> 00:38:48,840
Speaker 2: the pitches at a streikes and he does make proper

963
00:38:48,880 --> 00:38:52,359
Speaker 2: swing decisions and canon for an arm, which we need

964
00:38:52,520 --> 00:38:54,640
Speaker 2: more of those. We felt this year how much not

965
00:38:54,760 --> 00:38:57,480
Speaker 2: having good arms in our outfield hurt this team time

966
00:38:57,560 --> 00:39:01,080
Speaker 2: over time. He's an athlete, he can run, he's he's

967
00:39:01,120 --> 00:39:03,240
Speaker 2: someone you take a risk on, and you could probably

968
00:39:03,320 --> 00:39:06,800
Speaker 2: get away with trading just you know, anyone in the

969
00:39:06,840 --> 00:39:09,440
Speaker 2: lower minors that is of interest. Also David Surtin's first

970
00:39:09,520 --> 00:39:12,239
Speaker 2: round pick. By the way, Ah, David Surms first round pick,

971
00:39:12,680 --> 00:39:15,160
Speaker 2: first round pick. We have forgotten to give up give

972
00:39:15,200 --> 00:39:16,480
Speaker 2: a trade package for some of these guys.

973
00:39:16,480 --> 00:39:18,239
Speaker 1: But do think like Wilson Conturius, you could trade kind

974
00:39:18,280 --> 00:39:19,880
Speaker 1: of like nothing for him, Yeah, pretty much not take

975
00:39:19,920 --> 00:39:20,280
Speaker 1: the money.

976
00:39:20,520 --> 00:39:20,719
Speaker 4: Yeah.

977
00:39:20,719 --> 00:39:22,400
Speaker 2: And Gary Mitch you can also kind of probably get

978
00:39:22,400 --> 00:39:26,160
Speaker 2: away with trades like almost Jeremy Rodriguez type guys. Yeah,

979
00:39:26,239 --> 00:39:28,200
Speaker 2: someone who's toolsy. Maybe someone will't even know about you.

980
00:39:28,200 --> 00:39:30,600
Speaker 2: Other maybe one of like the recent kind of toolsy

981
00:39:30,680 --> 00:39:32,880
Speaker 2: draft picks like the Cam Loman or the Peter Cusack

982
00:39:32,920 --> 00:39:35,120
Speaker 2: could be a Boston Barrow. I don't know. It could

983
00:39:35,160 --> 00:39:37,400
Speaker 2: be something that's interesting for the Brewers just to make

984
00:39:37,680 --> 00:39:39,000
Speaker 2: another Gary Mitchell in three years.

985
00:39:38,920 --> 00:39:42,000
Speaker 1: Yes, exactly, just figure it out and then just because

986
00:39:42,080 --> 00:39:45,000
Speaker 1: we're agents of chaos. Jay ram said he's not signing

987
00:39:45,000 --> 00:39:47,879
Speaker 1: an extension unless the Guardians proved to him that they're

988
00:39:47,880 --> 00:39:50,040
Speaker 1: trying to win. If you ask for a trade, I

989
00:39:50,120 --> 00:39:52,799
Speaker 1: know a team that definitely will come knocking param.

990
00:39:53,800 --> 00:39:56,160
Speaker 2: Definitely, and you can put Brett Baidy as the feature

991
00:39:56,200 --> 00:39:57,920
Speaker 2: to that package so that you could tell the Guardians

992
00:39:58,080 --> 00:40:01,200
Speaker 2: similar to what happened Lindor as he meant is here

993
00:40:01,200 --> 00:40:03,040
Speaker 2: you guys go start there at the position you're good

994
00:40:03,080 --> 00:40:05,160
Speaker 2: to be metros to like here you go, he's gonna

995
00:40:05,160 --> 00:40:07,160
Speaker 2: take you on a tong. Sure it's gonna be three

996
00:40:07,200 --> 00:40:10,680
Speaker 2: win player next year. Like you could a major U

997
00:40:10,680 --> 00:40:12,160
Speaker 2: executive be like, you know, if we could just fill

998
00:40:12,200 --> 00:40:14,080
Speaker 2: in the pieces around Brett Bailey, well we'll get the

999
00:40:14,120 --> 00:40:17,080
Speaker 2: same amount of production as Jose Ramirez and if it's

1000
00:40:17,160 --> 00:40:19,720
Speaker 2: if it's even kind of available again similar to Schooble,

1001
00:40:19,800 --> 00:40:21,880
Speaker 2: similar Dodga Green, somebody cats Al Marte. When the lead

1002
00:40:21,920 --> 00:40:24,479
Speaker 2: players are available, the Davis Serons front office has proven

1003
00:40:24,480 --> 00:40:26,399
Speaker 2: they're going to go out and get them. Steve Comb,

1004
00:40:26,480 --> 00:40:28,080
Speaker 2: we know, we know, we just guys just watched the

1005
00:40:28,080 --> 00:40:29,560
Speaker 2: World Series you need dogs if you want to win

1006
00:40:29,600 --> 00:40:32,360
Speaker 2: World Series games. That's what the Mets need. Dogs. Ozarimir

1007
00:40:32,400 --> 00:40:33,840
Speaker 2: is the biggest dog in the league almost.

1008
00:40:33,640 --> 00:40:35,560
Speaker 1: And that was like thirty plus minutes of us giving

1009
00:40:35,640 --> 00:40:39,080
Speaker 1: you ten guys that we think the Mets could one

1010
00:40:39,760 --> 00:40:41,919
Speaker 1: trade for this offseason. We'd love to know if there's

1011
00:40:41,920 --> 00:40:44,480
Speaker 1: anybody we missed down the comment section on YouTube, let

1012
00:40:44,560 --> 00:40:46,040
Speaker 1: us know. Make sure you are subscribed to the Mets

1013
00:40:46,120 --> 00:40:48,480
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1014
00:40:48,520 --> 00:40:51,319
Speaker 1: audio side Apple Podcast, Spotify, Google drops the.

1015
00:40:51,360 --> 00:40:53,439
Speaker 2: Rating, drops the review, download and subscribe. You can follow

1016
00:40:53,520 --> 00:40:56,759
Speaker 2: James on social media at Jameshan. I'm Draftnickmark for the scene.

1017
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Speaker 2: Thank you guys for listening, Thank you for watching. We'll

1018
00:40:58,560 --> 00:41:00,799
Speaker 2: catch you on in the next episode. See you next time.

1019
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Speaker 2: He's outa comments the h