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Speaker 1: Welcome into the Huddle Up Podcast. Today is Wednesday, April tenth, JP, Shadrick,

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Speaker 1: don Ozer, and Jacksonville from the Miller Electric Center in

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Speaker 1: the Hundai Studios. Bucky Brooks is out in Los Angeles

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Speaker 1: and we've got a lot to get to today. First

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Speaker 1: of all, it's Josh Allen and that's the big news

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Speaker 1: coming out of Wednesday. Officially, the Taguars have agreed to

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Speaker 1: a multi year deal with Josh Allen, the Jaguars outside linebacker,

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Speaker 1: reportedly five years, one hundred and fifty million dollars, including

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Speaker 1: eighty eight million dollars guaranteed. Bucky. That bill came to

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Speaker 1: when he put up the big numbers last year, and

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Speaker 1: thirty million a year for Josh Allen.

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Speaker 2: Wow, the bag is big and kind of good for

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Speaker 2: Josh Allen.

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Speaker 3: He was forced to better himself.

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Speaker 2: He had to play on approved situation and he absolutely

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Speaker 2: proved it seventeen and a half sacks.

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Speaker 3: He is a great player.

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Speaker 2: But he's even more impressive in terms of how he

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Speaker 2: is in and around the locker room. Great person, great character,

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Speaker 2: great leadership abilities, has the work ethic that you want,

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Speaker 2: and then you put the performance into production. This had

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Speaker 2: to get done. I think it's a great sign that

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Speaker 2: the Jaguars were able to get it done, so it's

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Speaker 2: not a distraction as we head into the off season program.

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Speaker 2: Kudos to him, he made it happen. Kudos to management

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Speaker 2: for being able to get it done.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, And my thought on these, Bucky is always, you know,

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Speaker 4: you can't guarantee numbers moving.

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Speaker 5: Forward, right, like especially sacks.

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Speaker 4: Sometimes they can be circumstantials, and he's doing he has

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Speaker 4: many sacks because maybe a quarterback didn't run out of

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Speaker 4: bounds when he ran out of bounds the year before.

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Speaker 4: But to me, Josh is a safe signing, as safe

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Speaker 4: as you can be when you're essentially risking eighty eight

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Speaker 4: million guaranteed, you know. And I'm wondering if as next

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Speaker 4: personnel guy, he's been around GMS more than I have.

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Speaker 4: I think GM's always liked a signing where they can

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Speaker 4: put their head on the pillow the next night and

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Speaker 4: not worry about the guy's work ethic, not worried about approach,

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Speaker 4: not worried about what kind of player the guy is

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Speaker 4: going to want to be, just because he got paid.

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Speaker 4: And to me, Josh feels like I don't think Trent

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Speaker 4: Balky's gonna worry that Josh Allen is going to lose

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Speaker 4: his edge.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: No, I think that's a safe assessment because he's been

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Speaker 2: worried the right way. He hasn't shown any signs of

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Speaker 2: being a guy that would take time off, that he

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Speaker 3: Would get complacent.

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Speaker 2: Now that he has the money, I think, if anything,

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Speaker 2: it would push him to set bigger and better goals

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Speaker 2: and dreams for himself and for the team.

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Speaker 3: He understands what he has to do.

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Speaker 2: He understands what the expectations would be, not only with

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Speaker 2: him being a first former first round pick, but now

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Speaker 2: being one of the top pay players in the National

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Speaker 2: Football League. The expectation is that he's going to be

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Speaker 2: able to dominate, and whether that comes up in the numbers,

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Speaker 2: it needs to show up each and every week in

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Speaker 2: terms of just his presence. He has to be impactful

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Speaker 2: in terms of creating opportunities for himself or for others

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Speaker 2: to make plays.

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Speaker 3: But that's what he's always done since he's been in Jacksonville.

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Speaker 5: But it's a new kind of pressure, Buck.

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Speaker 4: I mean, it's it's before you're start of going after it,

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Speaker 4: betting on yourself now, you know, sacks can come in bunches.

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Speaker 4: Even Josh just came in bunches last year. But I

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Speaker 4: think he had three or four, three or four different

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Speaker 4: be droughts, and fans are going to be bothered by

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Speaker 4: the droughts more so there's definitely that element to me

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Speaker 4: but it's it's a new kind of expectation. Now every

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Speaker 4: game without a sack is what happened to Josh Allen,

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Speaker 4: you know, even though football people sort of know what happened.

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Speaker 4: But I think Josh can deal with that sort of thing.

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Speaker 3: Bucky, Yeah, No, it is a different it's a different deal.

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Speaker 2: It's a different set of you know, expectations, different level

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Speaker 2: of pressure. But he just came through probably the most

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Speaker 2: pressurized environment that he could be in, having to play

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Speaker 2: last year under approved deal, approved situation where he had

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Speaker 2: to get his money based on how he performed. He

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Speaker 2: more comfortable in those situations when that happens. But you're right, John,

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Speaker 2: each and every week, everyone is gonna go right to

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Speaker 3: They're gonna look and see what.

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Speaker 2: He did in terms of what numbers did he put up,

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Speaker 2: How many sacks did you have? How many tackles for

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Speaker 2: lost force, fumbles, big plays? How he has to deliver.

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Speaker 2: But that's okay. I think in a perfect world, when

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Speaker 2: Allen would be the one player on defense who has that,

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Speaker 2: and Trevor Lawrence would be the one player on offense.

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Speaker 3: Who has to carry those expectations.

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Speaker 1: Speaking of bags, maybe that'll come at some point down

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Speaker 1: the line for the quarterback as well. This is a

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Speaker 1: lettle up podcast. Well, think about the road that Josh

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Speaker 1: Allen has taken to get to this point from You know,

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Speaker 1: he was down in Alabama in high school for three

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Speaker 1: his high school career there and wasn't really recruited highly

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Speaker 1: star Yeah, I think, yeah, he was gonna go to Monmouth,

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Speaker 1: bring him to Lexington. Of course, he developed and grew

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Speaker 1: into one of the great Kentucky defensive players of all

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Speaker 1: time and a first round pick, but not that long ago,

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Speaker 1: he was just a lanky wide receiver as a sophomore

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Speaker 1: road to now John for a guy that we all

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Speaker 1: like in a door, he's great in the building. To

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Speaker 1: see this actually come through to fruition is something special.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, and I thank you.

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Speaker 4: Guys have both been around him, and probably a lot

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Speaker 4: of people listening to this have been around him because

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Speaker 4: he's a guy who doesn't mind making himself accessible to

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Speaker 4: a guy to be a good guy, but it certainly

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Speaker 4: helps when you like guys in your franchise who when

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Speaker 4: you've paid them this kind of money, they walk in

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Speaker 4: the building and you just sort of instinctively know, Hey,

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Speaker 4: that's one of the core guys, and you not only

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Speaker 4: So look, it's a good day, It's a happy day

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Speaker 4: happy or if you're Josh, then for the rest of us.

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Speaker 5: But you know Josh is buying JP.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm sure he is. I'm sure he's happy about that.

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Speaker 1: Bucky is what it is, and you need those. We've

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Speaker 1: had a over the history of this team, actually not

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Speaker 1: just recent history, first round draft picks have not signed

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Speaker 1: second deals. Well, this is a trend going the wrong

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Speaker 1: way in that regard this kind of bucks that all right,

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Speaker 1: Josh Allen was drafted here, different general manager got him in,

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Speaker 1: but he is a cornerstone piece of a franchise and

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Speaker 1: for years, decades around here, the Jags have not been

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Speaker 1: able to have those pillars of their franchise stick around.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and I think it's maybe maybe the Josh Allen

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Speaker 4: signing will finally get rid of that quote unquote stigma.

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Speaker 4: They didn't draft Evan Ingram, but they paid Evan Ingram.

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Speaker 4: It's not really and I'm just thinking from the regime

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Speaker 4: They didn't draft Evan Ingram and then once they got

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Speaker 4: him here, they paid him. They franchised Cam sort of

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Speaker 4: they've sort of gotten away from or I shouldn't say

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Speaker 4: I think I'm gonna pay Trevor at some point. So

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Speaker 4: as much as this regime has been able to control that,

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Speaker 4: I think they've put their money where their mouth is

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Speaker 4: and said we're gonna pay guys that merit being paid.

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Speaker 5: For a long time.

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Speaker 4: You know, with maybe the exception of Jalen Ramsey, there

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Speaker 4: weren't that many guys who left where he said, oh

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Speaker 4: they should have paid him. They just really weren't very

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Speaker 4: many guys. So now that they've gotten guys they should pay,

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Speaker 4: they're doing it. And I would anticipate, you know, Trayvon

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Speaker 4: a SNDS, there's gonna be more guys to pay, and

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Speaker 4: I don't think they're gonna have have that stigma for

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Speaker 4: much longer, if they even still have it.

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Speaker 2: Bucky, Yeah, No, I think this goes there's a really

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Speaker 2: good step in the right direction in terms of showing

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Speaker 4: And Devon Hamilton, by the way, got paid. So there's

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Speaker 4: guys that they have paid.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so this is not a thing where they won't

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Speaker 2: open up the check book.

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Speaker 3: It's about making sure that they're paying the right guys.

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Speaker 2: And the next guy that we will talk about being

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Speaker 2: in line to be paid will be Trevor Lawrence.

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Speaker 3: In some way, shape or form.

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Speaker 2: They're gonna have to take care of the franchise quarterback

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Speaker 2: in as we're seeing with the Josh Allen thing. You

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Speaker 2: can prolong it, but the only thing that happens when

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Speaker 2: you prolonged paying your your top guys is it only

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Speaker 2: becomes a bigger price tag. So it may frustrate some

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Speaker 2: Jacks fans, but they probably need to be on the

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Speaker 2: because the number could be astronomical if you continue to

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Speaker 5: Be pretty astronomical anyway.

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Speaker 1: Yes, relatives too, Yeah, but they're all astronomical.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I think, like I say, I think that's

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Speaker 4: next to me. The uh, you know, the rookies obviously

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Speaker 4: Josh thing felt like they were going to get it

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Speaker 4: done this offseason because in order to get a deal

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Speaker 4: like Trevor Lawrence, has done. The decks sort of have

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Speaker 4: to be cleared, meaning you have to know a lot

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Speaker 4: of your parameters with the cap. My guess is that

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Speaker 4: that what they were paying Josh and the years when

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Speaker 4: they were paying them made sense. The decks feel cleared now, Buck,

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Speaker 4: you know what I'm getting.

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Speaker 5: I mean, and.

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Speaker 4: You've been inside more than I have, which is none,

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Speaker 4: So maybe you can talk about that a little bit,

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Speaker 4: just sort of now it's about how to structure, and

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Speaker 4: you sort of needed a lot of other stuff to

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Speaker 4: be done and in the books, right.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, So now that you have Josh Allen in the books.

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Speaker 2: You know what the number is going to be. You

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Speaker 2: know what the number is going to look like over

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Speaker 2: the next few years. It makes it easier to kind

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Speaker 2: of fit in Trevor Lawrence's deal because what you have

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Speaker 2: to the big money for Trevor, because then you have

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Speaker 1: ahead to the NFL Draft that players are in the

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Speaker 1: building next week as well. This is the Huddle Up Podcast.

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Speaker 1: Welcome back to Huddle Up Podcast. Jap Shadwick, John Osier

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Speaker 1: and Bucky Brooks and the twenty twenty four NFL Draft

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Speaker 1: is almost here, but Jaguars will be on the clock

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Speaker 1: say April twenty fifth. It's the official Two Bowl Draft Party,

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Speaker 1: dot com slash Draft Party. So the players are back

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Speaker 1: of the building next week. Phase one offseason program, Bucky,

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Speaker 1: we're only a couple of weeks out now from that draft.

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Speaker 1: So what is your latest at number seventeen, Bucky, I don't.

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Speaker 1: I don't know if there's an official new mockout this

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Speaker 5: You know, you haven't checked the Crawler.

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Speaker 2: I can't remember what edition is the latest, But I

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Speaker 2: think Terry and Arnoll was the guy that I had

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Speaker 2: he would fit is just because of the versatility that

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Speaker 2: those things can come into play with Terry Arnold has

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Speaker 3: High IQ just kind of gets it in a major way.

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Speaker 3: He's a really good prospect.

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Speaker 2: He would certainly be a good pick and good fit

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Speaker 4: How surprised would you be at this point, Bucky, if

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Speaker 4: it's not corner there. I mean, I guess I've been

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Speaker 4: be fine with offensive line because I think any you know,

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Speaker 4: But I just look at the depth chart. I would

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Speaker 4: it feels like a need year. I don't know that

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Speaker 2: Yeah, even if we cast aside the knees, there'd be

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Speaker 5: And you've got Devine and Roy make money too.

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Speaker 2: I think there are options that are gonna be available.

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Speaker 3: We can talk.

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Speaker 2: We just talked about Terry Ouno. There'd be some conversation

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Speaker 2: Little thinner than you, like one hundred and seventy three

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Speaker 2: He can play press, he can play off, really versatile

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Speaker 3: So they're cornerbacks that are available for them.

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Speaker 3: We'll know they're commitment to playing bump.

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Speaker 1: All right, so we're closing in two weeks away. I'm

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Speaker 1: sure we'll ask you again next week, Bucky.

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Speaker 3: I didn't see Yeah, like, why not. It's always always

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Speaker 3: Let's when Neumark's coming out? When is Newmark coming out?

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Speaker 2: April twenty second, New Money Mark four point.

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Speaker 1: Zero Draft week?

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Speaker 3: I can't go wrong. Love that always.

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Speaker 1: Uh, Bucky, well done as always, have a great week.

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Speaker 1: We'll we'll talk to you again next week. And congratulations

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Speaker 3: Yeah, man, great, great for him.

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Speaker 2: Like man, you love to see good things happen to

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Speaker 2: I'm really excited for him and his family. He cashes

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Speaker 2: in on the bet that he had to make on himself,

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Speaker 5: Yeah, good for him. Good day, John.

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Speaker 1: How do you like your steak he's buying right?

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Speaker 5: Oh? I like it expensive? He's fine.

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Speaker 2: Oh oh like that sounds like a like a cowboy

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Speaker 2: tomahawk whatever that think that's at the bottom of the

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Speaker 2: menu that I'd never let my eyes go towards.

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Speaker 3: It sounds like that.

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Speaker 2: And look, John, I think if you had an opportunity,

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Speaker 2: I think you're just yelling him to the restaurant.

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Speaker 3: Steaks for everybody.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm ordering steak with a steak side. What's the

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Speaker 5: old steak on steak side of state?

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Speaker 1: The old Saga's champions eat crumbs, Well not today, uh.

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Speaker 5: Day eat steak steak side, a steak ass.

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Speaker 1: Bucky Brooks, John Ozier, I'm j P. Shadwick are thanks

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Speaker 1: to Brent Reeb and Joe Fortunate, and thanks to you

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Speaker 1: for listening to the Huddle Up Podcast