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Speaker 1: we'll get to you. This is the first installment of
Speaker 1: a recurring segment and the segments called we need to
Speaker 1: jingle for it. It's called um Chester gets rich off Bitcoin. Now, Chester,
Speaker 1: this is really a story about walife. I'm gonna putting
Speaker 1: like a slot machine down there. Yeah, it's cashing out coins.
Speaker 1: Can you build a little something? Yeah, I think it's
Speaker 1: a slot machine. And then something to signify a Walleye boat. Okay,
Speaker 1: so if you could hear an engine, you know, like
Speaker 1: a outboard, and you kind of got the colt pissing
Speaker 1: out and messing by through through the headphones like left
Speaker 1: to right, him hauling asked by, and then a sound
Speaker 1: of like cascading money out of slot machine. They'll introduce
Speaker 1: Chester gets rich off Bitcoin, The Continuing Adventures of Chester
Speaker 1: the investor. Come that's it, come off. Chester once a
Speaker 1: Walleye bolt, real bad. And so he sent how much
Speaker 1: money off to bitcoin right now? About four grand? No?
Speaker 1: Initially initially like a hundred bucks. Yeah, and that was
Speaker 1: with him one weekend, and what shot up to like
Speaker 1: five dollars and I called you a liar, you know,
Speaker 1: I called you something. I think, Yeah, your hundred bucks
Speaker 1: turned into four hundred bucks. This is I'm not giving
Speaker 1: investment advice here. I still think he's I still think
Speaker 1: he's gonna get screwed in the end. But no way.
Speaker 1: And over the weekend he made like a lot of money. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, um, over over this week this last weekend.
Speaker 1: I'm going back, going back still to when when when
Speaker 1: we all caught COVID over you've already had it. But yeah,
Speaker 1: over the weekend, I probably made I don't know, like
Speaker 1: over three hundred bucks. And you didn't believe me. And
Speaker 1: you know I believed you, but I didn't. I was
Speaker 1: still ignorant. I'm still way ignorant. I was even more
Speaker 1: ignorant then about cryptocurrencies. And I said, I bet you
Speaker 1: can't get it back. I don't know why I said that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and I you know that my favorite quote, tell me, honey, um,
Speaker 1: the skeptical skepticism is the chastity of the intellect. So
Speaker 1: I was skeptical and the chest was raking all this money,
Speaker 1: and I was super jealous, and I said, I want
Speaker 1: to see that money bounce back into your bank account.
Speaker 1: And then what happened. I took it out and it
Speaker 1: went in my bank account. And while it was sitting
Speaker 1: I think I lost ten blocks on the bat two,
Speaker 1: didn't I? Yeah, you said, you give me ten bucks
Speaker 1: to put it back and see if I got it right, Um,
Speaker 1: while I was sitting in my bank account, I definitely
Speaker 1: lost some money by sitting dormant, by sitting even though
Speaker 1: they give you like point o interest on that stuff. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but I got it back in there, and uh, I
Speaker 1: want me to bitcoin right now? Is in a pretty
Speaker 1: new stage. Would you rather get You can do it
Speaker 1: one of two ways. I give you twenty and you
Speaker 1: owe me ten. I give you seven and I owe
Speaker 1: you three. Give me seven. Then when I get that
Speaker 1: Walleye boat, you just pay for gas. Okay. So so
Speaker 1: you took it out in order to prove that it
Speaker 1: wasn't that you hadn't. I thought you got scammed on
Speaker 1: a weird website. No, I thought. I was like, oh,
Speaker 1: we just heard of a guy selling AMMO. He said, up,
Speaker 1: you know, no one can find AMMO. We heard from
Speaker 1: an individual about him going to some website and this
Speaker 1: wasn't the name of the website. But the website is
Speaker 1: like bullets are us, you know, and lo and behold
Speaker 1: he has all the ammal that no one can find.
Speaker 1: So he plays a big order and his credit card
Speaker 1: gets processed and no m O shows up. M hmm,
Speaker 1: I gotta look out for that cast. So I thought
Speaker 1: you fell prey to that by this Walleye boat scam. No, no,
Speaker 1: I did not. I just listen to my mother, who
Speaker 1: is very smart, smarter than me, and uh, he said,
Speaker 1: you should start dabbling in bitcoin. And uh he said
Speaker 1: if you put some money into it, that you can
Speaker 1: still feel comfortable. You can still sleep if you lose it.
Speaker 1: You know, your wife gets when you sleep when I
Speaker 1: have COVID, and I slept too much. Yes, that is true. Um,
Speaker 1: but so I'm dabbling in it, and uh, every day, Steve,
Speaker 1: it's getting a little bit closer to that Walleye boat.
Speaker 1: So now at this point, but then you went and
Speaker 1: put more money in. I don't want to get too
Speaker 1: deep into your personal finances, but you're in deep now.
Speaker 1: I had some cash sitting in a drawer and uh
Speaker 1: literally yea, and I took it out of there and
Speaker 1: I put that in bitcoin. And I've been just slowly
Speaker 1: putting you know, a hunter bucks in here and there,
Speaker 1: and uh, Bitcoin right now is pretty level. I think
Speaker 1: a lot of people are new to it. So people
Speaker 1: are getting in bitcoin, they're making some quick cash and
Speaker 1: they're selling. But just as of recent a lot of
Speaker 1: people have been putting it into cold storage. Big companies
Speaker 1: like even like Fortune companies are starting to dabble in bitcoin.
Speaker 1: Tesla bought one point five billion and they make they
Speaker 1: make like another one point five billion off of that already. Well,
Speaker 1: he turned around and then he turned around. Elon Musk
Speaker 1: turned around and suggested that it does seem a little high,
Speaker 1: so that kind of sabotaged his own deal apparently, and
Speaker 1: said that the decision to do that, I think he said,
Speaker 1: the decision to do that wasn't really reflective of his
Speaker 1: u He said something to the effect of um to
Speaker 1: suggest that it was other other individuals were pushing for
Speaker 1: that move more aggressively than he was. Got Yeah, I
Speaker 1: had heard like he like they make I think last
Speaker 1: really made like seven million off of car sales. And
Speaker 1: it just in the short time that he's had that
Speaker 1: that money in bitcoin, he's made over a billion dollars.
Speaker 1: It's kind of scary, dude, man, imagine how many freaking
Speaker 1: Walleye boats that is. It's a lot. Someone should divide
Speaker 1: that out. What's the walleye boat cost? I mean, what boat?
Speaker 1: You want your own? Walleye lake? Yeah, yeah, I am
Speaker 1: trying to get like a nice simple eighteen foot land
Speaker 1: with the motor on it, and that's all I need.
Speaker 1: So then you're gonna quit your investment. That would be
Speaker 1: hard to do. I think I'm crazy for wanting to
Speaker 1: buy a Walleye boat off of it. So when the
Speaker 1: time comes, I'll consult with different people and go from there.
Speaker 1: Will I be included on who you consult with? I
Speaker 1: think you should include me too. All right, Well that's
Speaker 1: his bottle wallet boat. You know I need. I need
Speaker 1: a Walleye boat. Partner, he did the old fashioned way.
Speaker 1: He just went down and bought them boat. Yeah, that's true.
Speaker 1: You didn't get tangled up crypto occurrencies, al right, Chester,
Speaker 1: You can go back to whatever you're doing. All right?
Speaker 1: Oh well, I'm sorry. How much more it might blow
Speaker 1: up so much that you can just peel off, peel
Speaker 1: off what you need. I've only made like a little
Speaker 1: over a thousand bucks is all um total, But it's
Speaker 1: we haven't made it yet. Well, I haven't put it
Speaker 1: in my bank account. But because you could wake up
Speaker 1: and it could be gone. It could. But it's just
Speaker 1: going up and down right now. And I'm trying not
Speaker 1: to like look at it very much because I know
Speaker 1: in the long run. I think I think it's going
Speaker 1: to pay off. And I'm dabbling. I'm not like invested,
Speaker 1: just just a dabbler. A thank you, Chester. You bet
Speaker 1: you should go visit that crypto mine in Butte, Montana.
Speaker 1: You know why, Bill, that's what you know. Bill Gates
Speaker 1: is down on it because of the amount of electricity
Speaker 1: it takes to do the computations, and the fact that
Speaker 1: he's not into these anonymous, uh, these anonymous, untraceable, unretractable,
Speaker 1: terrorist style exchanges of money. Yeah. I agree, that's kind
Speaker 1: of sketchy, but I'm just trying to buy a Walleye boat. Yeah, Steve,
Speaker 1: it isn't isn't your mantra, don't hate the player, hate
Speaker 1: the game. That's correct, Okay, I think that applies here.
Speaker 1: I stold that from Clay. I'm not that Clay Nucam
Speaker 1: made it up. I stole it from him when he
Speaker 1: revealed to me that he's getting the He was lined
Speaker 1: up to get the vaccination in Arkansas on what I
Speaker 1: felt was pretty dubious grounds, which it didn't work out
Speaker 1: for him in the end anyways. But he was getting
Speaker 1: it as a public you know, as a basketball coach
Speaker 1: for a schools. It's what he's getting it now. He well,
Speaker 1: he was supposed to get it quite a while ago
Speaker 1: and it initially fell through. All right, uh Yanni, do
Speaker 1: your correction corrections? Wow, wow back. I don't know what
Speaker 1: episode it was, but we read an email from a
Speaker 1: fella that had had found a new use for the
Speaker 1: su Vi kitchen appliance. Why why is that funny? Because
Speaker 1: it didn't even occur to me until you brought it up,
Speaker 1: Like how I thought it was genius? But then when
Speaker 1: he brought it up to be courtly like, how not
Speaker 1: a good idea it is? Oh yeah, no, yeah, I
Speaker 1: think all of us in the room are guilty because
Speaker 1: I was like, that's genius. Nobody called it out. Everybody's like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: a great idea, Like, you know, next time the kids
Speaker 1: have a cold pool, I'm gonna just drop my Subervie
Speaker 1: machine in there. This fella had a had a birthing
Speaker 1: pool set up in his house and um just was
Speaker 1: struggling with keeping it warm, and he had by idea
Speaker 1: to stick of Suvie wand in there and and it
Speaker 1: kept the water nice. My father heard there's a building inspector. Yeah,
Speaker 1: who heard this? So he's up on safety, and he said,
Speaker 1: there's a lot of reasons, a lot of failures that
Speaker 1: could happen that you don't plug stuff in and stick
Speaker 1: it in the tub with you exactly. And he said,
Speaker 1: is that appliance meant for that application? And thus we
Speaker 1: should not talk about it or promote it. Da dada dada.
Speaker 1: So there you go. Don't use a suvie wand to
Speaker 1: warm up your bathtub water or um a clothes iron
Speaker 1: m that would not work either. Don't drop plugged in
Speaker 1: stuff into your tub with you. I I And when
Speaker 1: Yad he brought this up, I initially was um, I
Speaker 1: was I rolling. I was I rolling about the need
Speaker 1: to clarify because I don't know how it really goes,
Speaker 1: Like can you imagine let me let's just say, heaven forbid, right,
Speaker 1: what winds up happening? Where does the judge wind up
Speaker 1: being helmet? So you're saying that this that you listen
Speaker 1: to like some knuckleheads on a podcast who are not
Speaker 1: like baby experts or bath experts or electricians, and it's
Speaker 1: called like like the slogan is like hunt fish listen,
Speaker 1: but you took birthing advice from them, and now you
Speaker 1: want to hold them liable. Dismissed, Yeah, where would he be, like,
Speaker 1: by God, the buck stops here. An example that will
Speaker 1: be held accountable for this transgression anyway, pointed out you
Speaker 1: really wanted to go that far. Yeah, you just have
Speaker 1: to worry about your own conscience. That's what Yanni brought up.
Speaker 1: He doesn't want it on his He doesn't want on him. Yeah,
Speaker 1: well it's off, you know, Yanni? Uh oh Kuran? Real quick?
Speaker 1: What was the general um? Speaking of feedback, we got
Speaker 1: another feedback thing here after the renewable what was that
Speaker 1: episode called There's no free Lunch with with renewable Energy?
Speaker 1: You said, there's a lot of people writing in. Was
Speaker 1: it um generally? Was it all over the place? There
Speaker 1: was there like a was there like a consensus um?
Speaker 1: There were it was kind of all over the place.
Speaker 1: He was at Corey. Corey forwarded me Cory's are all right?
Speaker 1: Community manager? He forwarded me kind of the most I
Speaker 1: don't know, salient of both sides, And it was a
Speaker 1: bit all over the place. Yeah, there were there were
Speaker 1: folks who We're really glad that we were just even
Speaker 1: engaging the topic to begin with. There are folks who
Speaker 1: just kind of railed on us not asking hard enough,
Speaker 1: you know, pressing enough questions, or folks disagreeing with Nell's,
Speaker 1: folks spouting off, folks thinking I mean it was it
Speaker 1: just kind of ran the gamut. But there was a
Speaker 1: lot of response to that, so it it hit, it
Speaker 1: hit somewhere they paid attention. Yeah, I think we can,
Speaker 1: you know, come back to it. At some point. They
Speaker 1: weren't being mean to the guess right. I thought the
Speaker 1: guests brought it. I thought he did a great job.
Speaker 1: I don't think he was pushing. He was not trying
Speaker 1: to remember I brought the obfuse. I'm not finishing any
Speaker 1: of my sentences right now, but asking tough questions. I
Speaker 1: think we asked the toughest of all question even to
Speaker 1: ask the question like do you feel that the renewable
Speaker 1: energy industry as it is obfew skates some of the
Speaker 1: realities about what this would really take. That's like that's
Speaker 1: like watching sixty minutes, dude. Yeah, And I mean I
Speaker 1: should get like a like a a eyes for that.
Speaker 1: I think I think his his kind of refrain and
Speaker 1: why that was the name of the podcast is that
Speaker 1: it's true, like he's it's just there's no there. There's
Speaker 1: always going to be a compromise. They're going to be
Speaker 1: a lot of things that are shitty if we as
Speaker 1: a society continue to live the way that we do.
Speaker 1: You know, like you guys are listening to this podcast
Speaker 1: right now on your phone or on your computer, and
Speaker 1: that's battery and that's like it's I mean, it's the
Speaker 1: way that we are living right now. So if we're
Speaker 1: going to not make those changes, we you know, we
Speaker 1: got to do something. So Ela must thinks we're gonna
Speaker 1: to go and populate other planets if we want to
Speaker 1: keep this human race going. It's kind of I don't
Speaker 1: even care about the human race as long as we
Speaker 1: all blink out at the same time. I just don't
Speaker 1: want to have to go on then everybody else gets
Speaker 1: a stick around. I don't think it's gonna happen in
Speaker 1: our life times, but I guess some bad fomo if
Speaker 1: that happened. Man, if I knew it was just gonna
Speaker 1: be like remember that movie um Melancholia with that asteroid
Speaker 1: They like, you watch half the movie and you don't
Speaker 1: know what's gonna happen. You know that everybody's acting like
Speaker 1: extremely weird and it eventually realized that they know at
Speaker 1: some specific second the Earth will be destroyed by an
Speaker 1: asteroid and everybody gets to go at the exact same moment.
Speaker 1: That's the way to do it. UM scrap metal. The
Speaker 1: guy wrote in how they're making it way harder for
Speaker 1: like drug addicts and derrelics to turn in scrap metal.
Speaker 1: It's hard on crackheads now. So when you go in
Speaker 1: now to a scrappyard, you gotta provide an address. They
Speaker 1: don't pay cash for and weirdly they don't pay cash
Speaker 1: for anything but steal. It cuts down a construction theft
Speaker 1: because you've got a place to send the check coreas
Speaker 1: you to have an address. The eliminating I think it's
Speaker 1: I think it's prey judicial, but eliminating vagrants who might
Speaker 1: just be wanting to make some drug stealing. And he
Speaker 1: says that a lot of scrapyards have repeat customers. And
Speaker 1: he once watched, he's from a scrapyard, he watched a
Speaker 1: minivan come rolling in with a thirty six inch diameter
Speaker 1: piece of cast iron sewage pipe stamp city property. He
Speaker 1: said that the um the cops were there before they
Speaker 1: could even unload it. Scrap is high right now, three
Speaker 1: bucks a pound from number one copper steel is a
Speaker 1: hundred fifty a ton for low grade. He was this
Speaker 1: guy that wrote in was getting big into scrap himself,
Speaker 1: but his mom doesn't like him leaving it all over
Speaker 1: the yards. He's got to get his own place and
Speaker 1: he'll get back into the business. The super cold weather
Speaker 1: in Texas killed tons of stuff, tons of animals, All
Speaker 1: those exotics that are from like Africa, Asia wiped him out.
Speaker 1: In fact, if you watched the episode we did on
Speaker 1: on Netflix, we have an episode where we go Neil
Speaker 1: guy hunting. I go with Jesse Griffith's and we're on
Speaker 1: a on a big ranch. We're hunting with a guy.
Speaker 1: Wasn't you remember that guy's name that went out with
Speaker 1: us to accompany us help us out. It was with
Speaker 1: an A. I believe Amando Mondo. Amando, Yeah, but I
Speaker 1: think they called him Mondo for short. Well there to Armando,
Speaker 1: but Mondo called him that ranch. I was talking to
Speaker 1: the guy there um the family that owns it. So
Speaker 1: far they found this is days ago. So far they
Speaker 1: just randomly accounted up eighty six dead nil guy that
Speaker 1: throws a death and weirdly some of them, Uh, kind
Speaker 1: of came up and like died against a house on
Speaker 1: the tile like that. There's like some solar radiant heat
Speaker 1: or something coming off that thing. How they found it?
Speaker 1: I have no idea, Like why they would what about
Speaker 1: the orcs and stuff? Some dead ones, but they can
Speaker 1: handle it better. It's just far fewer. And he said
Speaker 1: he hasn't done like an exhaustive survey. It's just that
Speaker 1: just laying all over place. God, it's crazy. Yeah. This
Speaker 1: article here points out that they've died on both high
Speaker 1: and low fence, which makes sense because like why does
Speaker 1: you know? And this what'sn't this picture of all these
Speaker 1: dead creators they got? What kind of animal? Look? That's
Speaker 1: what another body mind? Um? I was telling me. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he said his body's place. All I believe he used
Speaker 1: the word all the axes dear? Is that right? Geez?
Speaker 1: That's the place that wit knows about. I don't know about.
Speaker 1: Oh no, I was I was talking about Matt. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: the same place all the axes deer died. Yeah, there's
Speaker 1: a zoo down there. They had to bring the flamingos inside.
Speaker 1: That was interesting. They're like inside a restaurant. Um. Yeah, crazy,
Speaker 1: you gotta wonder, like what you do with all that
Speaker 1: rot who was pointing out that they wanted to go
Speaker 1: down and get all the backstraps. Yeah, I know we're
Speaker 1: saying that, just go down. If you woke up one
Speaker 1: day and there's eighty six dead Neil Guy, man, what's
Speaker 1: that times two D seventy two freaking backstraps you'd have
Speaker 1: if you went out and got them all. Yeah that
Speaker 1: imagine a full freezer with nothing but Neil Guy backstraps.
Speaker 1: But what's that? What's that gonna do to the industry
Speaker 1: down there? I mean it's gotta be I mean in
Speaker 1: terms of whatever industry there is is around, in terms
Speaker 1: of whatever industry there is around. Uh, those hunts, I
Speaker 1: mean it's got a kick its teeth in. You know
Speaker 1: Jesse Griffith's restaurant, and um, he sells a lot of
Speaker 1: this stuff. So imagine that's going to complicate his world.
Speaker 1: And then he only boy I don't know what he's
Speaker 1: doing right now, but he only buys produced from Texas.
Speaker 1: Stuff's all frozen, man. Yeah. And then all those people
Speaker 1: without like acts that like their fridges and can't cook.
Speaker 1: He was running. He turned his he turned um, his
Speaker 1: restaurant basically into like he had like a social media
Speaker 1: feed going about what they have, what key people can
Speaker 1: come get, what they have in, what they're out of,
Speaker 1: just trying to like feed people and use up stuff.
Speaker 1: So it was almost like this like ticker tape of
Speaker 1: information about what you can come down and get and
Speaker 1: who's got what? Guy, were vulnerable animals? Aren't we as
Speaker 1: bad as you? Guy? This is the weirdest thing. A
Speaker 1: guy rode in. Cal who's not here right now is
Speaker 1: the singer from ram Jam. If you go to YouTube
Speaker 1: and look up the Black Betty, remember that song whoa
Speaker 1: Black Betty? Have you ever read the lyrics of that song? No,
Speaker 1: my god, does that guy look like Cal? Someone wrote
Speaker 1: in pointing out the bass player. Look, but he's wrong.
Speaker 1: It's a singer, is Cal? I don't. I don't see it, dude,
Speaker 1: it's break and cal Man. Do you see it? Said
Speaker 1: it's Cal. There's a screenshot that's not That's not the
Speaker 1: right guy. God is it? The basis could tell I,
Speaker 1: Oh so it is the base guy. Oh my I
Speaker 1: I was looking at that trying to figure out what
Speaker 1: he was playing. It's kind of like a mix between
Speaker 1: Cal and uh Corey, Brittany's husband. Oh yeah, okay, yeah,
Speaker 1: that is a base And I'm bad at music, man,
Speaker 1: I can't tell an instrument. I'm looking at um looks
Speaker 1: just like them. But that song is a weird song.
Speaker 1: It's a dead ringer. Everyone go to a minute or
Speaker 1: second on the ram jam Black Betty. The song is
Speaker 1: weird because he's talking about a woman named black Betty. Okay,
Speaker 1: and he likes her lot and really does she really
Speaker 1: does it for him. But since she has a child
Speaker 1: who goes blind, I thought it was goes wild and
Speaker 1: blind and blind. Dude, it's a horrible song, but it
Speaker 1: is cal big hit. This is a good one. Dude
Speaker 1: rowing in about Uh. He's a tree surgeon. He wrote
Speaker 1: the six He knew I used to be a tree surgeon,
Speaker 1: so he thought it appealed to me. But a guy,
Speaker 1: a fellow tree surgeon, guy had a nipple ring. And
Speaker 1: the guy slid down a tree a little bit one time,
Speaker 1: and a bark and a chunk of bart grabbed that
Speaker 1: nipple ring tore his nipple right off. Another guy wrote it,
Speaker 1: I don't know if this is true or not. I
Speaker 1: have a hard time with this. We're talking a long
Speaker 1: time ago about how you can sell Like I know
Speaker 1: for a fact that Buck Bowden sold a well how
Speaker 1: big was that moose? It's like a seventies some inch moose.
Speaker 1: Giant sold it for it like tens of thousands of
Speaker 1: dollars to a to Cabella's for their collection, and he
Speaker 1: even knows where it sits now. He would he would
Speaker 1: carry this big giant moose head around the rack he
Speaker 1: carried around he's at a show. So if you go
Speaker 1: to a show, like what's that thing in Harrisburg called
Speaker 1: the famous one? Yeah, that's where I met Buck Bolten.
Speaker 1: So there's these sporting like these outdoor shows, right, and
Speaker 1: outfitters will have boots and they always have like a
Speaker 1: little photo album. A lot of them have like all
Speaker 1: kinds of taxes during the mouse Like you go to box,
Speaker 1: just Bucks sitting there at a folding on a folding
Speaker 1: chair with a photo album laid in front of him
Speaker 1: like nothing like just doesn't like not a marketer, not
Speaker 1: a marketer. And so I was, I asked, I feel
Speaker 1: like talking to that guy. So I went and talk
Speaker 1: to him a long time. He said he used to
Speaker 1: have this big moose he'd carry around. But he brought
Speaker 1: it to Harrisburg and some guys came up and asked
Speaker 1: a bunch of questions about it. They left, and another
Speaker 1: guy came up and made the purchase because they wanted
Speaker 1: to put it in a sporting get store. Is in
Speaker 1: the Harrisburg. I don't know he could tell where it is.
Speaker 1: I can't remember where. He said it wound up best
Speaker 1: parlor whatever is there. This guy is saying he found
Speaker 1: a porcupine albino. He says Cabell has offered him seventy
Speaker 1: grand and his grandpa. What the hell was it? His
Speaker 1: dad says his dad turned it down. Oh that's where
Speaker 1: I get incredulous. He says he monitored it on a
Speaker 1: pile of sticks and pine cones instead. Yeah, I mean,
Speaker 1: I feel like his dash would call in just so
Speaker 1: I could say, really, seventy k huh, let's see, I
Speaker 1: want to see a picture of this uh albino. I'm
Speaker 1: sure if he's listening, sure you'll send it in. If
Speaker 1: he writes in, maybe his PAPPI will talk to us
Speaker 1: on the phone. We can grill him. We can grill him.
Speaker 1: I'm actually looking at pictures of albino. Maybe there's a
Speaker 1: story that goes along with it. That's worth seventy dollars.
Speaker 1: I don't know. Well, maybe it's Elon musk No, but
Speaker 1: he's saying that it's his retirement plan. There's Chester's Walleye
Speaker 1: boat get like a freaking full electronics package and everything. Man,
Speaker 1: you probably put two engines on that soccer. Uh, this show.
Speaker 1: I gotta report this because this makes us look good.
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Speaker 1: This guy was up along the Muscle Shell River in
Speaker 1: Montana and finds like it had burned. There was a
Speaker 1: there's a prairie fire, and the prairie fire had stripped
Speaker 1: away all the grass and sage and whatnot from this
Speaker 1: little patch. And lo and behold, there sits a little tombstone.
Speaker 1: No explanation about the tombstone. He was super curious about
Speaker 1: and took a picture of the tombstone. Then he even
Speaker 1: called the Office of the Land and the Administration, the
Speaker 1: Administrative Office of the Land Management Agency. They didn't know.
Speaker 1: Then we got talking about my new favorite book life
Speaker 1: and death at the mouth of the muscle shell. He
Speaker 1: goes and gets the book, reads it and finds a
Speaker 1: very thorough explanation of what happened to this dude. But
Speaker 1: that was unsolved for fifteen years. This is fifteen years ago.
Speaker 1: That keeping them up at night, keeping them up at
Speaker 1: night for fifteen years. Who wants to sum up what
Speaker 1: happened to the guy? The guy's body in that book.
Speaker 1: The amount of people shooting each other fiddling with guns,
Speaker 1: it's oh, all the time. Yeah, it must be three
Speaker 1: or four times there's someone's fiddling around the gun and
Speaker 1: like shoots himself or shoots his body or whatever. Yeah,
Speaker 1: well we didn't have hunters safety courses. Yeah. So this
Speaker 1: fella whose name was Constant Cassneil Cassnell. It's spelled q
Speaker 1: u E s n E l L. I don't know.
Speaker 1: This guy was five six, Yeah, it's it's one of
Speaker 1: the interesting things about Constant is that he was he
Speaker 1: was a short fellow. Uh, he was a tinsmith from
Speaker 1: Montreal and had listed enlisted in in Boston. But anyway,
Speaker 1: it sounds like they there was a raid. Some sue
Speaker 1: raided their stock and had their stock run around everywhere
Speaker 1: and this fellow and another fellow went where must have
Speaker 1: been right there. I don't know if they were shepherding
Speaker 1: the stock or what um, but somehow they were part
Speaker 1: of this being rated upon. And uh they found his
Speaker 1: body with a whole bunch of arrows sticking in it
Speaker 1: back and arm, and it looked as though, if I
Speaker 1: don't really know how he's extrapolating this information from what
Speaker 1: he could see, but he's saying that some of the
Speaker 1: arrows in the hands and uh, we're evidently shot while
Speaker 1: he had his gun to his face in the act
Speaker 1: of firing at them, disabling him so he cannot use
Speaker 1: his gun a breech loader, causing him to turn and run.
Speaker 1: He's like just and so they're saying that, like, ye,
Speaker 1: the angle of the arrow was as though he was
Speaker 1: holding a rifle, aiming and shooting. I think that's what
Speaker 1: he's suggesting. Well, he might not be keen to is
Speaker 1: the um elaborate ways in which bodies would be sort
Speaker 1: of mutilated in symbolic ways and like things done to
Speaker 1: bodies to like send messages or to impact one's experience
Speaker 1: in the afterlife. So who knows. I also just feel
Speaker 1: that like sure they might have hit him as he
Speaker 1: was in the motion of shooting that rifle. But to
Speaker 1: say that someone's like taking a stick bow, I don't
Speaker 1: know what range, and they're like actively trying to shoot
Speaker 1: a guy's forearm or hand to disable him. Like that's
Speaker 1: some pretty accurate stuff, you know, And like it's not
Speaker 1: like you're at the range, you know, shooting at at
Speaker 1: a target that's not moving. You're like in part of
Speaker 1: a raid and you're like, oh, I'm gonna hit it.
Speaker 1: Hit him in the wrist, and so you can't shoot
Speaker 1: at me anymore. Skeptic. The skepticism is the chance to
Speaker 1: do the intellect. John m Maybe they're really bad shots,
Speaker 1: and that's as good as it. I mean, they got
Speaker 1: him in the hand, and they were yeah exactly, they
Speaker 1: were firing arrows. Yeah, and they happened to hit him
Speaker 1: in their arms or he was hiding behind a stone
Speaker 1: mm hmmm, and that's all that was sticking up. That
Speaker 1: could be too, But I wouldn't underestimate those bows, because um,
Speaker 1: we're gonna have we're working having Michael punk back on
Speaker 1: about his new book that's coming out, The Fat about
Speaker 1: the Fetterman fight and they killed I think the Sioux
Speaker 1: called it like the Battle of One in the Hand.
Speaker 1: But they killed something like eighty four eighty four US
Speaker 1: soldiers with bows. I mean, granted they had there was
Speaker 1: two thousand against eighty four, but killed him with bows,
Speaker 1: man like mostly I guess there was some firearms. They
Speaker 1: mostly did it with that. So, but you'd also read
Speaker 1: about bodies being left with a hundred arrows in them,
Speaker 1: which I think is like you're basically saying to someone, yeah,
Speaker 1: you're super dead. You're saying to someone like, man, this
Speaker 1: is like kind of like where we live. Appreciate you're
Speaker 1: not coming round. M hm, go on, That's all I
Speaker 1: had about Constant. Yeah, that's pretty damn cool, though, well
Speaker 1: is getting shot up for finding that tomb stone and
Speaker 1: then learning about it just by reading a book. Because
Speaker 1: you know what especially interesting about it is that everything
Speaker 1: that happened, not everything, the vast majority of everything that
Speaker 1: happens in that book is underwater. Yeah, it's under for Peg,
Speaker 1: as an enterprising fellow would get himself a scuba tank
Speaker 1: and go down and look around and find cool stuff.
Speaker 1: Dig around down there. Okay, moving on, We're gonna talk
Speaker 1: about turkeys. But as a segue to turkey talking. And
Speaker 1: it's almost like I almost hesitate to bring this up
Speaker 1: because it Uh, let me, let me put this question, Jason,
Speaker 1: do you know what I want? Do you know what
Speaker 1: Seth is gonna present for us? Yeah? Do what do
Speaker 1: do you feel? Um? Are you like just do you
Speaker 1: love turkeys and you're just interested in all things turkeys?
Speaker 1: Or do you feel like this negates something or do
Speaker 1: you feel that it like does this diminish the work
Speaker 1: of a turkey caller? Or is this just why not
Speaker 1: know about everything? That's true? No? I think I think
Speaker 1: it's something we strive for, like some of what we're
Speaker 1: gonna listen to, like man, you know, I hate the
Speaker 1: sound of a box sometimes, but like man, that's really
Speaker 1: boxy sound. And so it's just it makes me think, like,
Speaker 1: how do we sound more like that? Even though we
Speaker 1: all know what we've been doing works and we had
Speaker 1: a little pre conversation before you got here, like you know,
Speaker 1: cadence is important, you know some of the other stuff
Speaker 1: that doesn't matter as much as the sound, um, you know.
Speaker 1: And then I don't want to necessarily get ahead of ourselves.
Speaker 1: But like the seventies seven yelper hand coming up like
Speaker 1: you know, we've always been oh, seven and nine, no, yo,
Speaker 1: you know, one lesson, you're not gonna call in the
Speaker 1: bird ten yelps, you're not gonna call the bird in
Speaker 1: like seven and nine. And then you hear this real
Speaker 1: hand out there just going down. So it's like it
Speaker 1: always makes you think, but I think is a you know,
Speaker 1: a guy that tries to sound as much like the
Speaker 1: real thing, like you always strive to like, hey, yeah,
Speaker 1: she might sound off, but I think a lot of
Speaker 1: real hands aren't great turkey colors. That what got me
Speaker 1: interested in finding out about like looking this stuff up
Speaker 1: is I found that it was more helpful to me
Speaker 1: to go on YouTube like and learning about learning turkey calling, right,
Speaker 1: It was almost more helpful for me to go on
Speaker 1: YouTube and just find hands, yep, find video of hands
Speaker 1: making noise, because oftentimes, like so often when you're out
Speaker 1: in the woods and you hear turkeys, they're not doing
Speaker 1: the playbook. They're not always doing the playbook that you're doing,
Speaker 1: Like you have an idea of the playbook, but then
Speaker 1: you're like you'll be sitting there in the darks sometime
Speaker 1: and just hear some hand just like open a tree
Speaker 1: going nuts. And you would feel funny doing that yep yep,
Speaker 1: like and this this hand on YouTube that if you
Speaker 1: heard a person out in the woods did the raunchieste
Speaker 1: does seventy seven yelp in a row sequence, you'd be like,
Speaker 1: what is that dude doing? Yeah, that's that's a guy. Yeah,
Speaker 1: or you'd say, you know, after thirty four, you'd be like,
Speaker 1: that's not a dude. Yeah, that guy that he'd have
Speaker 1: passed out by Now. It's really interesting, man, it's really
Speaker 1: interesting to go watch stuff they do. But then it's
Speaker 1: worth bringing this up to uh, you know, the tent
Speaker 1: legion that that it's kind of like a this famous
Speaker 1: turkey hunt book by this guy, Colonel Tom Kelly. Uh
Speaker 1: philis subject matter expert. You're Tom Kelly expert. No, Ben
Speaker 1: has just been showing it down my throat for the
Speaker 1: last few months, so um, hardy to avoid. It's a
Speaker 1: good book about turkeys. But in it he tells the
Speaker 1: story where he's out in the woods one day and
Speaker 1: he's watching a group of I can't remember how if
Speaker 1: he's watching. He's watching either a group of Hends or
Speaker 1: a group of Toms going about their business, and a
Speaker 1: hen shows up near him, and sets to just yelping
Speaker 1: her ass off. Okay, it's like spring. And he said
Speaker 1: the gobblers didn't even pick up their head. So in
Speaker 1: terms of you know, there's a big thing about like
Speaker 1: what mood are they in? Yeah, like what do they
Speaker 1: got going on? So if you do something and it
Speaker 1: doesn't respond in your heads, like he doesn't think I'm
Speaker 1: a hen, right, yeah, but then that trick them. But
Speaker 1: then here's a hand standing there and they're like their head.
Speaker 1: Mike Chamberlain was saying that their testosterone levels changed daily
Speaker 1: up and down, and one day I have that problem.
Speaker 1: One day, one day their testosterone might be low and
Speaker 1: you call to them and they don't give a ship.
Speaker 1: But the next day you're on that same and his
Speaker 1: testosterone levels have risen and he's like interested. Yeah, it
Speaker 1: sounds like a bull elk man, I got it. I
Speaker 1: got a little idea I'm hatching right now, testosterone injections
Speaker 1: for turkeys, but corn out with testosterone keep me breaking
Speaker 1: two logs. Yeah, I see. I've always been like, I've
Speaker 1: always subscribed to the idea, Like, you know, their hand
Speaker 1: up and if they got there for sure, thing like
Speaker 1: they're not interested, but I'd be curious in that example
Speaker 1: you shared, like when the real hen was next to him,
Speaker 1: like it wasn't truly just a flock of Tom's or
Speaker 1: were they locked down on a hand um, Because if they,
Speaker 1: I would I would got to read the tent legion.
Speaker 1: I would throw a fit. I would pack my calls
Speaker 1: up and go home if it was nothing but Tom's
Speaker 1: over there. No hens locked down and they didn't even
Speaker 1: look at me. I'm all right, I'm I'm out of here.
Speaker 1: You're having to change I've been having. I had a
Speaker 1: big fight with Clay Nucom down in Texas where we
Speaker 1: went out one day, bright, early in the morning to rattlebuxing.
Speaker 1: Okay um, we had reason to believe based on Yanni
Speaker 1: rattling a couple basically into the truck with them, we
Speaker 1: had a reason to believe that on this property, ratling
Speaker 1: worked very well. We go out in the morning and nothing,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, damn, what's going on? You know? Then
Speaker 1: we go in the middle of the day and one
Speaker 1: after the other and I don't think it's at their
Speaker 1: testospherone level spiked. I argued to Clay that I'm like,
Speaker 1: for lack of a better word, I think bucks are
Speaker 1: bored at two o'clock, and I think in the morning
Speaker 1: they're kind of like, oh, the dolls are doing this,
Speaker 1: they're moving around, stuff's going on. And then everybody's just
Speaker 1: laying around board off their asses, and they hear a
Speaker 1: rattle and he's in The dolls are bedded, and he's like,
Speaker 1: I'd run over there real quick. I'm not gonna miss
Speaker 1: out on something exciting. Yeah, I'm thinking, which Clay thought
Speaker 1: that was a stupid idea. I'm thinking he's already checked
Speaker 1: the betting area. He knows all those doughs are not
Speaker 1: in heat, and he's like, whoa, somebody's fighting over hot
Speaker 1: over here. So maybe not board, but you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying, His mood change, his circumstances changed in some
Speaker 1: kind of predictable fashion at a certain time of day.
Speaker 1: Maybe they're testosterone rises with the temperature. Mine doesn't. Okay,
Speaker 1: seth share Uh, I don't know how you want to
Speaker 1: do this. I want to play. So this is like
Speaker 1: you got some good ones. I have a couple. Um here,
Speaker 1: let's do this first. Which one of you boys, Derek
Speaker 1: or Jayson, Which one of you boys wants to um
Speaker 1: give us like a conservative hunter sits in the woods
Speaker 1: and goals yep, yep, yep, yep. Am I gonna use
Speaker 1: your collar yawnies. It doesn't matter to me, man, whatever
Speaker 1: one you think it's gonna be the most conservative for
Speaker 1: you sitting in the woods, I'm not using either of yours.
Speaker 1: I mean used to meat coal. Okay. This is a
Speaker 1: conservative turkey hunter who's like, man, I gotta play it cool.
Speaker 1: I don't want to give these turkeys the wrong idea. Okay,
Speaker 1: now is that like that's probably still like they're just
Speaker 1: out of the tree or still in the tree, like
Speaker 1: real quick, I call that conservative. Al right now, SA's
Speaker 1: gonna share with us like some some turkey noises. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so I love these things. This first one just totally
Speaker 1: debunks the the like, don't call too much. Seven to nine, yep, Cadence,
Speaker 1: just not stop. It's like having a kazoo out in
Speaker 1: the woods. That's the hunter. That's the hunter. I love it.
Speaker 1: So after hearing that, you know, maybe you could call
Speaker 1: a little bit more. Yeah, because if they don't come
Speaker 1: in your eyes, like I'm gonna give him the sigh
Speaker 1: of the treatment. Yeah, no, one's I don't know. Maybe
Speaker 1: some people are. Maybe some people are like, dude, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna pour the coals to it. There is there are
Speaker 1: I can't remember the guy's name, someone that Jay Scott
Speaker 1: hunted with, uh Yargust. Maybe you guys know that name.
Speaker 1: He was like, there's so many guys that have been
Speaker 1: like national turkey calling in championships, but I believe the
Speaker 1: guy's name is Billy Argus. And that was the first
Speaker 1: guy that Jay I think had heard and that I
Speaker 1: had heard where like even in the dark on the
Speaker 1: tree set up. His attitude is pour the coals to him,
Speaker 1: just talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk
Speaker 1: and be like, no, I am the only hand you
Speaker 1: need to be focused on right here me and just
Speaker 1: hammer at him. And he had great success. I like
Speaker 1: that guy, that's your style. Yeah, I don't the whole
Speaker 1: like be quiet, be patient, that's that's not good. I
Speaker 1: want to be like that hand. I just want to
Speaker 1: run that call as much as possible. Hit. That's what
Speaker 1: another one seth Okay, So this one is a hand
Speaker 1: that if if I heard this, hen let's say I'm
Speaker 1: in Pennsylvania and I'm walking through the woods and I
Speaker 1: hear this, I'm like, that is a dude on a
Speaker 1: box call and he sounds terrible. Um, this this turkey's
Speaker 1: clocks are more like squeaks. Like some sound good, but
Speaker 1: you'll hear a couple. They're just like squeaks. H m hmm.
Speaker 1: Like every once in a while there's one in there.
Speaker 1: It's just like a squeak, and I'd be like, that's dude,
Speaker 1: just like messed up a little bits like there's a
Speaker 1: problem with his box called. Yeah. So yeah, real turkey,
Speaker 1: you got another good one. Hits one more good one,
Speaker 1: you'll be I'll clean this all up, right Phil, This one,
Speaker 1: this one's just a hand that gob that's gobbling. Oh,
Speaker 1: which is interesting. That's the hunter turkey. That's a hand,
Speaker 1: that's a hand. Yeah. And if I heard that in
Speaker 1: the Turkey Woods with you know, a bunch of pressure
Speaker 1: around me, be like, that's a dude on one of
Speaker 1: those gobbles things. So that's a real turkey. This this
Speaker 1: is right here. It's almost like a Jake gobble too,
Speaker 1: kind of halfhearted. Okay. One of the things we wanted
Speaker 1: to do in head into this is uh and headed
Speaker 1: in talking about some of this is um, we're trying
Speaker 1: to get our favorite turkey biologist, Mike Chamberlain. What's this
Speaker 1: what's his Instagram thing called super Interesting Man? Oh? I
Speaker 1: love his posts Wild Turkey Doc, dude. They should have
Speaker 1: it be that he's the only person that can be
Speaker 1: on Instagram, Like Instagram should just be his thing and
Speaker 1: everybody has to follow it. Yeah, because it's like it's
Speaker 1: just like information, useful, applicable information. I like how he
Speaker 1: apologizes to for like being too long, Like he knows,
Speaker 1: he knows like how much people can tolerate and how
Speaker 1: much they want to read. A lot of times I'll
Speaker 1: be like, all right, a little bit longer this Tuesday.
Speaker 1: He only gives you one a week. Yeah, what's this
Speaker 1: thing called? Is handles? Wild Turkey Doc? Yeah just one
Speaker 1: word and yeah, I highly recommend checking them out. Instagram
Speaker 1: should be called wild Turkey dock. And when you go,
Speaker 1: it's just his stuff. No, you can't start like an
Speaker 1: account and start putting your own stupid stuff up there.
Speaker 1: It's just his stuff. So Karan asked him a question.
Speaker 1: We're here because I don't think we asked this before.
Speaker 1: Uh Karan wanted. We wanted to ask him mainly, Um,
Speaker 1: what is going through a turkey's mind when it's being
Speaker 1: called at right. We do all the talking about like
Speaker 1: mimicking the sounds, but what might be on the turkey,
Speaker 1: like the one receiving the noise? What does it really cape?
Speaker 1: Is it really sitting there being like m mm hmmm,
Speaker 1: is that a person or what? Yeah? Or is it
Speaker 1: like is it telling me to come? Is it telling
Speaker 1: me to go and telling me that there's a good
Speaker 1: food over there? Right? Yeah? Does this sound like sex
Speaker 1: sex sex sex sex or food? Food? Food? That's old
Speaker 1: Betty Lou over there. I remember her from last year.
Speaker 1: Steve is dying to know what on earth is going
Speaker 1: through a turkey's mind when it's called at well, that
Speaker 1: is a good question. Unfortunately, we can't interview turkeys, so
Speaker 1: it's hard to know with certainty what they think or
Speaker 1: perceive when we call to them. But what we do
Speaker 1: know is that turkeys at least partially recognize each other
Speaker 1: based on their calls. We also know that, because of
Speaker 1: the way hearing works in birds, that they perceive calls
Speaker 1: differently than we do. So you kind of need to
Speaker 1: think about, so how does a turkey here? If you
Speaker 1: understand how they hear, then I think it helps kind
Speaker 1: of navigate, Well, what are they perceiving. So turkeys they
Speaker 1: don't have an external ear like we do, so they
Speaker 1: don't and have flaps on the outside of their ears
Speaker 1: that help funnel sound into their inner ear canals. You
Speaker 1: can see the ear canal on the side of their head.
Speaker 1: It's kind of just blow and behind their eyes. But
Speaker 1: without an external ear flap, they have to come up
Speaker 1: or or they have to use different ways of determining
Speaker 1: direction and distance to sounds. So what what turkeys do
Speaker 1: is a sound comes into one ear, and the ear
Speaker 1: registers the volume of the sound, and the other ear
Speaker 1: acts independently to register a different volume to that sound.
Speaker 1: And if you watch turkeys, you'll see them do this.
Speaker 1: They constantly are turning their heads. That allows them to
Speaker 1: determine because they can figure out through that volume adjustment
Speaker 1: where is the sound coming from left, right, up, down,
Speaker 1: And as they turn their head, it helps them kind
Speaker 1: of refine where exactly is that sound coming from. And
Speaker 1: turkey h owners will tell you know, they have this
Speaker 1: uncanny ability to just pinpoint the exact distance to a sound.
Speaker 1: And the way they do that is because those sounds
Speaker 1: are coming in their ears and being registered by the
Speaker 1: brain differently than we hear sound, and because we also
Speaker 1: know that birds in general hear different frequencies in calls
Speaker 1: than we do. We call to a bird and there's
Speaker 1: a very simple you help you, help you, help you up,
Speaker 1: or whatever sound we make, and they hear that differently
Speaker 1: because they can perceive different frequencies than we can. So
Speaker 1: you you kind of factor that into the equation, combined
Speaker 1: with the way that they hear sounds in the in
Speaker 1: their ears, and that allows them to perceive much more
Speaker 1: complex messages in calls than us humans are capable of perceiving.
Speaker 1: So we don't really know. Again, I've never been able
Speaker 1: to interview a tom to ask him, but we do
Speaker 1: know that birds in general and turkeys obviously hear their
Speaker 1: world differently than we do. So we know because of
Speaker 1: how cute they're hearing is and because of the way
Speaker 1: they're hearing works, they can pinpoint direction of sound with precision.
Speaker 1: And a person once told me it was a famous
Speaker 1: turkey researcher that imprinted birds and watch their behavior. He
Speaker 1: told me that turkeys have an incredible sense of place,
Speaker 1: and what he meant by that was they hear a
Speaker 1: sound and they know exactly, not only the direction from
Speaker 1: which that sound came, but where that sound originated from
Speaker 1: on the landscape. They essentially have a GPS and they
Speaker 1: can pinpoint that call or that sound came from that spot,
Speaker 1: and they can go to that spot. And we see
Speaker 1: this really commonly in some of our research where we
Speaker 1: are tracking hunters and turkey simultaneously. So we we have
Speaker 1: tom's that are running around with GPS units on, and
Speaker 1: we have hunters that are carrying a GPS in their jacket.
Speaker 1: It's bizarre, but turkey hunters have we know this occurs,
Speaker 1: but we've had numerous situations where a person ends up
Speaker 1: calling to a bird from a spot, leaves because the
Speaker 1: turkey doesn't show up, and three or four hours later,
Speaker 1: the bird ends up at the exact same spot the hunter,
Speaker 1: and that just tells you that the bird knew exactly
Speaker 1: where that call was coming from. It just wasn't in
Speaker 1: his routine that morning to walk over to that sound.
Speaker 1: He said, you know what, I'll go check that out
Speaker 1: a few hours from now, because my morning routine is
Speaker 1: I'm going over here and do this and then I'll
Speaker 1: get back to to that sound. So to take a
Speaker 1: little detour, Yeah, yeah, yeah, And I've actually put some
Speaker 1: maps out on social media showing what that looks like.
Speaker 1: It's really crazy. They they'll end up hours down the
Speaker 1: road right where you were sitting. Wow. Yeah, that's that's why.
Speaker 1: That's why God made naps. Like I'll often make mistaken
Speaker 1: of having my naps somewhere else, Like you go off
Speaker 1: to a good nap spot. What you should do is
Speaker 1: your last call session at nap time. You should pick
Speaker 1: a good spot. I'll sometimes do this, like a good
Speaker 1: little Heidi spot where you can call nothing calms and
Speaker 1: then take your nap right there. I'm gonna write a
Speaker 1: book about that. I'll tell you a story about choosing
Speaker 1: a bad nap spot. Please. Yanni was there. This was
Speaker 1: what two seasons ago when we took Maggie and Tracy
Speaker 1: hunt turkey for the show. Um the turkey that Maggie
Speaker 1: and Yanni were after we called to and then he
Speaker 1: ended up drifting away and we laid down and took
Speaker 1: a nap, and I woke up to a turkey putton
Speaker 1: and opened my eyes and the turkeys standing two ft
Speaker 1: from Maggie. Oh, he had come. He had come and
Speaker 1: was standing like she could have reached over and smacked
Speaker 1: the bird just like Dr Chamberlain was saying, no, kid
Speaker 1: man just walked right into us. There's a bunch of
Speaker 1: people sleeping there. You know what else I'm thinking about
Speaker 1: as he's answering his question, is this idea that you
Speaker 1: know when when we look at dear what dear c right,
Speaker 1: like when you look at your setup camo and all that,
Speaker 1: Like you're looking at you, you have like an idea
Speaker 1: of what it looks like. But then you get into
Speaker 1: how deer's eyes are or duck's eyes are or whatever.
Speaker 1: Their experience is probably totally different. Like you can't even
Speaker 1: you'll never maybe not ever, I can't foresee where you
Speaker 1: would look through a thing that shows you what it sees.
Speaker 1: But from all indications are it is not seeing what
Speaker 1: you see, and so you're you're you're sort of like extrapolating,
Speaker 1: you know. I think that's why trial and air is
Speaker 1: so expensive. You can't just look and be like that's hidden.
Speaker 1: It's it has to be more like I've done this thing,
Speaker 1: and here's how the animals respond, and I've done this thing.
Speaker 1: Here's how Andrew respond. I don't know what it is.
Speaker 1: I can't replicate it, but I'm learning that this type
Speaker 1: of thing really gets their attention, you know, this type
Speaker 1: of thing they just look right through. Um. Abernathey, who's
Speaker 1: a biologist, was saying one time he would talk about
Speaker 1: iridescence on birds and bird he's I know he's talking
Speaker 1: about what they hear, but he's talking about bird vision.
Speaker 1: And um he thinks that when a turkey looks at
Speaker 1: a turkey, it just is not seeing what you see
Speaker 1: in terms of the iridescence on those feathers. So when
Speaker 1: they so, when they're looking at like a foam decoy
Speaker 1: versus a real bird, it might not even look close.
Speaker 1: Even though all right, it looks like another turkey, it's
Speaker 1: not not what he says. He thinks that fan is
Speaker 1: just screaming at that turkey. I agree, I would. I
Speaker 1: think it's like fireworks going on. And then like now
Speaker 1: back at home, like the big things like real turkey
Speaker 1: like stuff for decoys, you carry like a full mounted
Speaker 1: bird around with you and then that way you get
Speaker 1: the full you know, you got a real bird sitting there.
Speaker 1: But I wonder if you see, like you said, it
Speaker 1: comes back to testing, like you have to test that
Speaker 1: over and over and over out in the field to
Speaker 1: see if it works any better. He he was very early,
Speaker 1: long time ago, this Abernath. He started messing around with
Speaker 1: real turkey feather decoys and he just took a decoy
Speaker 1: and got a hot glue gun and glued the feathers
Speaker 1: onto the thing. And he had one with him when
Speaker 1: I was hunting with him in Florida, and I can't
Speaker 1: hear what he said. He said something like, thirty two
Speaker 1: turkeys have seen this decoin, they're all dead. That works.
Speaker 1: What constitutes a quote unquote good call versus a bad call?
Speaker 1: We have Well, let's say we as a human being,
Speaker 1: I can listen to a call and think, oh, that
Speaker 1: sounded pretty good, But we have absolutely no idea what
Speaker 1: a turkey thinks is a good call or a bad call.
Speaker 1: And any turkey hunter can tell you this. If they've
Speaker 1: hunted enough that you'll use one call and get no
Speaker 1: response whatsoever, and you take a different call out of
Speaker 1: your vest, and all of a sudden there's a bird
Speaker 1: that's gobbling and he's right there. Why didn't he call
Speaker 1: to the first call and he did to the second?
Speaker 1: Or another experience we've all had is you start calling
Speaker 1: and suddenly there's a bird a hen that's nearby and
Speaker 1: she's mad as hell, and she approaches you and starts
Speaker 1: cutting at you and yelping at you. And we don't
Speaker 1: know what she's thinking, but presumably because we know they
Speaker 1: recognize each other based on their calls, she either doesn't
Speaker 1: recognize you and wonders why you're there, or she thinks
Speaker 1: she recognizes you and she doesn't want you there. I mean,
Speaker 1: that's the two logical assumptions I have. Either way, for
Speaker 1: whatever reason, that call caused her to get upset, and
Speaker 1: she comes and tries to find you so that she
Speaker 1: can tell you that she's upset. So we don't really know.
Speaker 1: I mean, I can call okay now. But I killed
Speaker 1: turkeys years ago. When my calling sucked, I thought he sucked,
Speaker 1: but there was a bird out there that didn't agree
Speaker 1: with me, and I thought, hey, that sounds pretty good.
Speaker 1: And I think a lot of it goes back to
Speaker 1: the ecology of the bird. Because a hen, she's thinking
Speaker 1: in her mind, she's geared to reproduce and lay a
Speaker 1: nest and hatch in the spring. She has grown up
Speaker 1: around other turkeys, and she recognizes their calls and she
Speaker 1: recognizes what they look like. That's the other way that
Speaker 1: that we think turkeys recognize each other is based on
Speaker 1: their heads, which is one reason why you'll often see
Speaker 1: turkeys when they're fighting, they're pecking at each other's heads
Speaker 1: because that's their form of recognition. So you have a
Speaker 1: hen who's geared towards reproduction and she is going to
Speaker 1: be by herself and spend part of the spring alone.
Speaker 1: She's been gregarious prior to that, meaning she's been in
Speaker 1: a group prior to that, and she recognizes everybody in
Speaker 1: her group. The tom's, on the other hand, they're geared
Speaker 1: towards reproduction solely, and their fitness improves by breeding more hens.
Speaker 1: So the more hens I can breed, the more fit
Speaker 1: I am. So in his mind, he may not care
Speaker 1: whether he's hearing Sally or Janet or Susan or whoever.
Speaker 1: He's just thinking, I can reproduce with that sound, and
Speaker 1: that's a good thing. So it makes sense that tom's
Speaker 1: would be more responsive to a wider variety of calls,
Speaker 1: you know, a crappy call or you know a world champion,
Speaker 1: Grand champion caller, because they're thinking with reproduction on them,
Speaker 1: you know, on the mind. That's the way I kind
Speaker 1: of I kind of look at it. Given how acute
Speaker 1: turkey hearing is, you know, do we do we need
Speaker 1: to screech at them at the figuratively the top of
Speaker 1: our lungs and we when we call to them. Do
Speaker 1: we really need to be like that loud and obnoxious. Um, well,
Speaker 1: they're going to be some people that disagree with this,
Speaker 1: but no, no, we don't. There are situations where using
Speaker 1: a really loud call when you're trying to locate a bird,
Speaker 1: maybe the winds blowing, or you're you're trying to project
Speaker 1: sound in the environment at distance to hope that he
Speaker 1: can hear you. Yes, that's grounds for squawking away. But
Speaker 1: if you're fairly close to a bird, and when I
Speaker 1: say fairly close several hundred yards, you don't need to
Speaker 1: call loudly. This bird can hear very very subtle sounds.
Speaker 1: And we've all probably been in this situation where you
Speaker 1: you're scratching the leaves, or you reach over to pick
Speaker 1: up your call all and you make a noise and
Speaker 1: a bird gowls. I tend to call louder than I
Speaker 1: think I probably need to. And the reason I say
Speaker 1: that is one of the best turkey hunters that I've
Speaker 1: ever been around he calls so soft that I can
Speaker 1: barely hear him when I'm sitting with him. And that's
Speaker 1: that's the truth. It's crazy. And before I started hunting
Speaker 1: with this guy, I tended to call much louder than
Speaker 1: he he does, and I was successful. It worked, but
Speaker 1: sometimes it didn't. And when this guy calls, he calls
Speaker 1: so softly and so subtly that I'm serious that you
Speaker 1: I'm sitting ten yards from him. It's it's so soft
Speaker 1: that I can barely hear the notes, and yet birds
Speaker 1: come right to us. In fact, I don't even call
Speaker 1: when I hunt with this guy anymore. I just let
Speaker 1: him call because what few times we hunted together last year,
Speaker 1: we had birds in front of us almost every single time,
Speaker 1: so it was like, well, you do the calling. I've
Speaker 1: also been in situations where I made calls and just
Speaker 1: scratched in the leaves or did something really subtle, really quiet,
Speaker 1: and birds are responding from hundreds of yards away. And
Speaker 1: then kind of back to some of the other things
Speaker 1: we've talked about. That allows a bird, because they can
Speaker 1: hear so well, that allows them that GPS at internal GPS,
Speaker 1: to figure out that's where that scratching and the leaves
Speaker 1: came from I'm going over there and I'll check that out.
Speaker 1: I do think in general we tend to call too
Speaker 1: much because the bird, once they hear you, they know
Speaker 1: where you're at. They know, okay, well that call came
Speaker 1: from right over there. So once the bird realizes you're there,
Speaker 1: in my opinion, you're better off to call quietly, if
Speaker 1: at all, once they've responded, because they know you're there
Speaker 1: and they know exactly how to get to you on
Speaker 1: their own terms, which unfortunately often ends up with them
Speaker 1: winning and us losing. But they know how to get
Speaker 1: to where you are with precision. Man, I'll tell you
Speaker 1: all this talk about the randomness of it or they're
Speaker 1: crazy noises there is because I've just seen it so
Speaker 1: many times. People that are just so good, like Jason,
Speaker 1: you know what you've talked to guys uck right, Like
Speaker 1: I've just I've gone out hunt with guys up where
Speaker 1: I've gone out and hunted all morning on a place okay,
Speaker 1: with whatever results, sometimes good, sometimes not. But then guy,
Speaker 1: I'll be in the afternoon like, oh, let's gonn take
Speaker 1: a walk, and he let's go out and like starts calling,
Speaker 1: you know, to get a gobble, and it's like someone
Speaker 1: putting like a ton of pressure squeezing a zip man,
Speaker 1: because he just keep like very quietly, just like going going, going, going, going, going,
Speaker 1: going going, and all of a a sudden, like it's like
Speaker 1: the thing just like can't like he lays it out
Speaker 1: in the way that the bird just cannot help itself.
Speaker 1: Like when dude goes out, he's going to call in
Speaker 1: a turkey morning or afternoon? Is he tricking you with timing?
Speaker 1: So like the old times, the old timers, like the
Speaker 1: old timers like we were always the young bucks, like
Speaker 1: get up, you want to hear all the birds on
Speaker 1: the rust. Just get that, you know that fun in
Speaker 1: And then the old timer he's like back at camp
Speaker 1: eating breakfast, drinking his coffee. He's gonna let all of
Speaker 1: us come back, take our nap. He's gonna go out
Speaker 1: noon and kill the bird. This isn't the old This
Speaker 1: isn't the old noon trick. This is like the this
Speaker 1: is like the four or five o'clock. Not he's just
Speaker 1: gonna get him. He's just a good he just like
Speaker 1: I don't know, he's good. Talks turkey experience. That's what
Speaker 1: it comes down to. Does he do anything different, Like
Speaker 1: you don't know, it's just the mood. I think it's
Speaker 1: like a lot of mood reading. Also, the dude lives
Speaker 1: on the property, right, Yeah, so he kind of knows
Speaker 1: like where people are, people meeting. Probably had some of
Speaker 1: the GPS trackers on that second and you didn't know it.
Speaker 1: So like we're just gonna keep but now, you know,
Speaker 1: kind of going back to what he said, like you know,
Speaker 1: even like scratching the leaves, like is there something that
Speaker 1: like a jake? You know, like do the different birds
Speaker 1: as they mature, do they start to hear different? Can
Speaker 1: they differentiate between like sounds? Like That's one of the
Speaker 1: things I've always I'm just kind of the nerd out
Speaker 1: there under the tree, like why can't I get this
Speaker 1: three year old bird to break away? But you have
Speaker 1: these jakes come running in. You know, of course they're
Speaker 1: they're hand up or whatnot. But you always wonder like
Speaker 1: is they mature, do they become smarter or do their
Speaker 1: ears become better? Or is it just truly uh, you know,
Speaker 1: I'm in any to breed all these hands, so I'm
Speaker 1: not worried about that hand that's over there in the brush. Um,
Speaker 1: you know, like, how do you break that code? Um,
Speaker 1: But that's why you know, I kind of mentioned timing
Speaker 1: because you know turkey hunting timing is here, like, go
Speaker 1: let all those hens go lay Now you have a board,
Speaker 1: asked Tom sitting out in the field or you know,
Speaker 1: I don't got anything to do. So now you strike
Speaker 1: them up at mid day, and that Tom more so
Speaker 1: than elk, more so than any other animal, just because
Speaker 1: the way that they have to lay on that on
Speaker 1: that clutch eggs. You know, it's like, Bam, you can
Speaker 1: get that Tom that you fought with all morning for
Speaker 1: the last week straight, but you go hit him at
Speaker 1: noon and that thing's gonna come in just like that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I feel like it's we talked about this before, but
Speaker 1: it's like to not go out at daybreak feels dishonorable.
Speaker 1: I don't like it. Yeah, but then there's a lot
Speaker 1: said just like lay around, go out there at ten.
Speaker 1: But you feel like you're coming in in the middle
Speaker 1: of a conversation. I agree. Yeah, So tell people what's
Speaker 1: going on with Phelps game calls man, So, um, we
Speaker 1: announced what it was almost two weeks ago. Now that uh, yeah,
Speaker 1: you're my new boss. Can I call you? Boss. I
Speaker 1: would first say that we're colleagues, colleagues, co workers. We're
Speaker 1: co workers, so we we we're gonna be able to
Speaker 1: talk about turkey calls. Right, let's be the first time
Speaker 1: I can finally like talk about the turkey call. So
Speaker 1: August seventeenth, type me and dirt drove over last year
Speaker 1: or no, it's just me this time August talk about
Speaker 1: this turkey call line that we had tried to launch
Speaker 1: I think two years ago and never really got feet
Speaker 1: off the ground. And um, I was here and I
Speaker 1: think Garrett at that time went took out the breakfast. Hey,
Speaker 1: would you ever be interested in, you know, talking about
Speaker 1: selling folps game calls? And I remember that distinctly. No,
Speaker 1: I'm not interested. You did, Yeah, I never heard that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: So I tell Garrett, No, Dirk Durham, were you there
Speaker 1: for that conversation. We're sitting out there at the at
Speaker 1: the Western on the sidewalk eating breakfast, and I don't know.
Speaker 1: We approached you and you were like, uhh no, so
Speaker 1: wait wait wait we got wait like four more hours.
Speaker 1: So then you're not a man of convictions. No, no, well,
Speaker 1: I you know it's like it's maybe playing your cards right,
Speaker 1: like you don't want to just come out like heck, yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm looking to maybe move on or do something. I
Speaker 1: thought maybe you sent the guys out to like go
Speaker 1: feel out films testing waters a little bit. So I'm like, no,
Speaker 1: not really, I'm I'm kind of happy where we're at.
Speaker 1: I'd love to, you know, get this project going with
Speaker 1: you guys though, And then fast forward like four hours later,
Speaker 1: we go to lunch with Josh and Garrett and Josh
Speaker 1: brings the question up. I'm like, yeah, I mean i'd
Speaker 1: be willing to entertain it, like what it looks like,
Speaker 1: it's not just and then it got some legs from there,
Speaker 1: and um, I remember like on the mountain all September, uh,
Speaker 1: like I was with Yanni in Colorado and they're like yeah, Josh,
Speaker 1: like yeah, you onnly. I don't know if he knows yet,
Speaker 1: like you know, we don't need to talk about it,
Speaker 1: so like we're sitting here hunting, like I don't know
Speaker 1: if your honest knows at this time I'm supposed to
Speaker 1: say anything. And then by time we get like to
Speaker 1: New Mexico, Um, like I'm sending like trying to sign
Speaker 1: PDF so that we can open the books up, and
Speaker 1: so it was throughout the fall. I've spent pretty much
Speaker 1: the last four or five months in my life like
Speaker 1: getting this deal kind of straight with everybody, and uh yeah,
Speaker 1: and now we're here with kind of what launched this
Speaker 1: whole thing and releasing the Meat Eater X folks Um
Speaker 1: Turkey co line. Yeah, and you're gonna, um, you're staying
Speaker 1: on board. That was a stipulation. Oh yeah, yeah, no,
Speaker 1: And that's remember you're saying you'd signed a twenty year contract.
Speaker 1: I wanted to. I'm worried they said five years. And
Speaker 1: I think I'm gonna once they got everything from me there,
Speaker 1: gonna kick me to the curtain. I'm just but no,
Speaker 1: it's good. Um, you know. I I'm one of those guys.
Speaker 1: I described the situation like, you know, back with Howie
Speaker 1: Mandel around, like let's make a deal, Like I'm the guy.
Speaker 1: As soon as that got like six figures on the board,
Speaker 1: I was running, you know. And so it's like I
Speaker 1: put a lot of work in and with the kids
Speaker 1: kind of growing up and stuff, it's like, man, I
Speaker 1: would you know what the help that the meatter team
Speaker 1: can give me? And it's still like, you know, whether
Speaker 1: we want to dive deep into it, like the financial side,
Speaker 1: like every year, like no matter how successful were, it's like, man,
Speaker 1: here we are again, like getting ready for next year
Speaker 1: and like the bank accounts draw you know, to produce
Speaker 1: that next year. And it was a little bit of like, man,
Speaker 1: we're doing a great job. We have We're turning big
Speaker 1: numbers everyhere. But it's just like the financial stress and
Speaker 1: so like talking with you know, the team getting through there,
Speaker 1: I'm like, man, I think this is where I want
Speaker 1: to go. I want to have a little bit more
Speaker 1: of my life back. Um, all my kids know is
Speaker 1: this business is we me and me, my wife have
Speaker 1: you know, with what friends and family have built this thing.
Speaker 1: And it's just basically I want to you enjoy this
Speaker 1: this little bit and and still do a lot of
Speaker 1: the cool stuff. And um, you know, I had two diabetics.
Speaker 1: My wife and my son are both Type one like
Speaker 1: juvenile on set, and so like I couldn't leave my
Speaker 1: state job. Like there were all these things and and
Speaker 1: like it couldn't have been more perfect. Like when we
Speaker 1: started talking to the meat Eater team, like man, you know,
Speaker 1: the benefits are good, this is good, this is good,
Speaker 1: and it's just gonna work out. As we've mentioned in
Speaker 1: some of the other things, like it's the right team,
Speaker 1: I think to grow this thing and do some cool stuff.
Speaker 1: So when I would tell people about what we're leading
Speaker 1: up to, and I would talk about how, you know,
Speaker 1: how you guys are such renowned callers and in somebody's
Speaker 1: kind of revolutionized the elk calling in a way and
Speaker 1: also grew up hunting like the hard elk yea like
Speaker 1: hunting the shittiest elk in the world. Yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: and like learned how to do that. But I'm really
Speaker 1: known to be the Yeah, it's really really tough elk.
Speaker 1: And I don't like the like the well go ahead.
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't want to throw any of the
Speaker 1: big hunters under the bus, you know. But you see,
Speaker 1: the back when we were growing up, the you know,
Speaker 1: the sportsman's channel, the the outdoor channel hunters, the big
Speaker 1: elk hunters we all looked up to. You can I
Speaker 1: mention names like you like the wild Primost. Yeah, they
Speaker 1: would go and film it at these famous ranches. Now
Speaker 1: there's anything wrong with going to the famous ranches, but yeah,
Speaker 1: so they you know, they were the elk hunters, like
Speaker 1: I looked up to Will like I watched as soon
Speaker 1: as the truth came out, Like I was driving to
Speaker 1: my local Sunbirds, I was buying the DVD, so I
Speaker 1: go popping in and watch it. And then as I
Speaker 1: grew up like spots where we were successful. You know,
Speaker 1: Dirk isn't in the same stuff. I mean, but he
Speaker 1: probably some of the other hardest elk in the world
Speaker 1: to hunt, aside from the coastal jungle. But you would
Speaker 1: watch these, you know, proclaimed olk hunters come and just
Speaker 1: get their butts kicked on the coast. You know, everything
Speaker 1: there wants to bite you, eat you. It's wet, it's
Speaker 1: and you know, people have just struggled on the coast
Speaker 1: to kill these you know, tiny st rows of belts
Speaker 1: in the world. You know, their bodies are huge, but
Speaker 1: we've got these little you know, I've killed meal deer
Speaker 1: that are bigger than most of my bulls I killed
Speaker 1: my backyard. But they are hard, hard elk to hunt,
Speaker 1: and so in the I mean, the densities are so
Speaker 1: much look like everything about it you can't see there.
Speaker 1: It's not like, oh, here comes the three hundred of
Speaker 1: them out into the alfalfa field. You know, it's just
Speaker 1: like a different kind of Yeah. And I grew up,
Speaker 1: you know, hunting industrial Timberland, So it wasn't any of
Speaker 1: the you know hunting down on the hayfield or down
Speaker 1: the off off of field. That was you know, beaten brush,
Speaker 1: you know, down on the bottom of big canyons, you know,
Speaker 1: Devil's club, anything that would bite you, poke you stab you, um,
Speaker 1: you know, ferns up to your chein. It was just that.
Speaker 1: That's how we grew up elk hunting. And you know,
Speaker 1: it's like I loved it, but it was definitely tough,
Speaker 1: especially you know, getting to start hunting milk all over
Speaker 1: the West. Now, I'm like, man, that was that was
Speaker 1: tough compared to some of the other stufe. You might
Speaker 1: as well just leave your binoculars in your truck. Um,
Speaker 1: it's just that kind of hunt. And he's Washington every year.
Speaker 1: I haven't. I've got a lot of pressure to come
Speaker 1: back though, Like it's, oh, yeah, you gotta go to
Speaker 1: all these other states and draw these tags and do this,
Speaker 1: and and there's a lot of pressure on me, I think,
Speaker 1: to eventually come back. And that was the last time
Speaker 1: you hunt in Washington. Two. You don't have this little
Speaker 1: you don't have little local honey hooles. So I I
Speaker 1: take that back, like for myself the last time two
Speaker 1: thirteen when when some hunting partners or stuff will get
Speaker 1: like a muzzler tag and I've got time, will go
Speaker 1: out and so, um, you know, my wife drew a
Speaker 1: good tag and seventeen so I hunted there. But you know,
Speaker 1: it's only had so much time up until now with vacation,
Speaker 1: you know, and trying to squeeze the hunts in. So um, yeah,
Speaker 1: I'll eventually come back and hunt, you know home. I
Speaker 1: have a hunted with my dad um and my uncle's
Speaker 1: um for a long time. Um, you know, aside from
Speaker 1: like a weekend trip maybe to just go out with them.
Speaker 1: So I want to get back and you do that
Speaker 1: once before they get too old. When I talk to
Speaker 1: people about it too, I would say, like, man, he
Speaker 1: built the business in his backyard, you know, And I
Speaker 1: mean and by that, I mean he built a business
Speaker 1: in his backyard. No, it was I shouldn't even tell
Speaker 1: on myself because it's a little embarrassing, but it was
Speaker 1: just that it was the way we had to do it.
Speaker 1: Like we'd go to package calls and you know, my
Speaker 1: mom or my wife. They were doing the majority of
Speaker 1: the packaging. Um, and like they would go into my
Speaker 1: closet like I had I had, uh, you know, like
Speaker 1: my racks of finished calls were like sitting in my closet,
Speaker 1: like here's the here's the clothes that I wear to work,
Speaker 1: and then here's like the calls that we need to
Speaker 1: send out. Like as it grew, and that was just
Speaker 1: kind of what we had to do. We we started
Speaker 1: it all in the thirty six. By thirty it was
Speaker 1: literally my garage. We kicked all the vehicles out, kicked
Speaker 1: everything out, all the four wheelers, everything, and like no,
Speaker 1: this is and we're gonna do this. We're gonna do
Speaker 1: it this way, and we made it work. Some appointed
Speaker 1: out didn't he realized this, but it Someone pointed out
Speaker 1: to me too, Um that the customer service number was
Speaker 1: your cell phone is still we're in the process of
Speaker 1: getting that transferred over. But if if you call the
Speaker 1: number on the back of the packaging, and that's why
Speaker 1: I would always pretend like we're bigger than we were,
Speaker 1: right because you use an accent when you answer, Let
Speaker 1: me transfer that to Jason. If you need to talk
Speaker 1: to him. You know, like people are always surprised, like, oh,
Speaker 1: I didn't expect to get you on the line. I'm like, yeah,
Speaker 1: the customer service must afforded, like have the calls forwarded
Speaker 1: to me right now or something, because he didn't want
Speaker 1: to look that podunk that your cell phone number, but
Speaker 1: now my cell phone number. We're working on getting that
Speaker 1: change because it lives on all of our packaging. So
Speaker 1: it was easier just to get me a new phone number. Hious.
Speaker 1: He's not lying a body of mine, and I totally
Speaker 1: go get some fellows game calls. He had I don't
Speaker 1: know what what it was, but he had something. I said,
Speaker 1: he had a problem. I said, you should just call
Speaker 1: it the customer service. I'm sure they'll take care of you.
Speaker 1: And then he got back to me He's like, you know,
Speaker 1: I think I talked to Jason himself. I'm gonna I'm
Speaker 1: gonna just auto for it everything to Dirk, like quite
Speaker 1: a few of those two. So yeah, they're they're handled
Speaker 1: to start to handle most of the email customer service stuff.
Speaker 1: Though my numbers on there for some of that stuff,
Speaker 1: for like for dealers, but some people I think they
Speaker 1: just call numbers until they get somebody and they're like,
Speaker 1: who hey man saw on the internet. Yeah, but you
Speaker 1: know it was just cool. It's cool to be part
Speaker 1: of the family. Um, we were able to bring everybody along. Um,
Speaker 1: and a lot of people, I think, and maybe I
Speaker 1: can clear up from our side. Maybe you guys don't care,
Speaker 1: but like a lot of our followers may be different
Speaker 1: than than the meat followers. And I think the most
Speaker 1: asked question is, oh, you guys are gonna change. We're
Speaker 1: gonna become, you know, meat eater ish. And I've I've
Speaker 1: told everybody like it's been more important to you guys,
Speaker 1: and it has to me because I want to be
Speaker 1: able to like do some of the cool stuff you
Speaker 1: do or like why do you guys this post is cool?
Speaker 1: And like it's been more important to the people I've
Speaker 1: dealt with that we stay phelps game calls, we we
Speaker 1: is are a quick wit. We use our um you know,
Speaker 1: like you guys marketing, don't. They don't think we have
Speaker 1: quick No, No, I think you do, but like they
Speaker 1: want to. Yeah, I want to know what becoming meat
Speaker 1: eater ish means. I don't know what that. I don't
Speaker 1: know what they expect from that, but like it's been
Speaker 1: told to us multiple times, like we want you guys
Speaker 1: to make a post and maybe have a misspelled word
Speaker 1: or you know, like you want you to the polished me.
Speaker 1: You guys know how to spell and from them too good.
Speaker 1: There's probably some software you can do the just mixture
Speaker 1: that all the words get to spell man. Know. So
Speaker 1: it's you're gonna start throwing around salient. I don't. Actually,
Speaker 1: so you guys in all your big words like super
Speaker 1: intimidating for for a guy from Po. Uh so, no, no,
Speaker 1: uh so you always been into elk, but how long
Speaker 1: have you been into turkey hunt? I end up talking
Speaker 1: to somebody this morning. I probably my passion was probably
Speaker 1: higher for turkeys early on than it was for elk.
Speaker 1: It was more, it was more attainable. Um you know,
Speaker 1: I would grew up a rifle elk hunter. Um so
Speaker 1: as a kid, like calling to turkeys was the thing.
Speaker 1: And so I remember in junior high like I was
Speaker 1: a nerd that would sit and print off like a
Speaker 1: hundred page report on like calling turkeys, and like read
Speaker 1: through it and then try to mimic you know, what
Speaker 1: was out there. And so you know, my first passion
Speaker 1: may have been turkeys before I got crazy into elk calling. Um,
Speaker 1: you know, my my turkey call collection, Like I still
Speaker 1: have a big Ammo case full of just all the
Speaker 1: turkey calls. I would buy way more than I needed
Speaker 1: and and um around home. It was tough though, because
Speaker 1: we have probably the hardest turkey in the world to hunt.
Speaker 1: And I'm I'm saying that without doing a bunch of research.
Speaker 1: But in the Washington State, they have three species. We
Speaker 1: have the Easterns, the Rio, and the Merriam. They decided
Speaker 1: to put the Easterns on the west side of the
Speaker 1: state where I live, where it's wet and very very
Speaker 1: poor light reproduction rate. UM, so a lot of what's
Speaker 1: left there. But I mean, we would spend our entire
Speaker 1: March April just trying to find one or two birds
Speaker 1: to hunt. Um. And so just finding him was a
Speaker 1: tough part. Calling him in and killing was actually way
Speaker 1: easier than finding him because the hand numbers were so low.
Speaker 1: You just start crying kind on a yelp, and that
Speaker 1: bird was at your feet. Um. And so we kind of,
Speaker 1: you know, cut our teeth on some of those those
Speaker 1: birds that were extremely tough to hunt. And then as
Speaker 1: I got older, got a car I got to drive
Speaker 1: over to eastern Washington. The places is pretty damn good,
Speaker 1: and like, all right, this is what real turkey hunt
Speaker 1: supposed to be. You know, you could get on a bird,
Speaker 1: switch birds, you know, four or five times in the
Speaker 1: morning and get a ton of experience real quick. It's
Speaker 1: it's interesting how turkeys went for so many people in
Speaker 1: the country, particularly in the West and in the far north,
Speaker 1: where he didn't have like our dads weren't didn't hunt turkeys,
Speaker 1: you know. So in Michigan, I remember early on, I
Speaker 1: remember when I still lived there, that there'd be draw
Speaker 1: tags right now. You hunt the whole, you know, pretty
Speaker 1: much matter where you living, get a turkey tag and hunt.
Speaker 1: But being like a big deal, like someone got a
Speaker 1: turkey tag, they're driving up north to turkey. And I
Speaker 1: left around that time, so I never hunted turkeys as
Speaker 1: a kid. And then even when I moved to Western Montana,
Speaker 1: I remember when the unit's out there, I put in
Speaker 1: one year and drew a tag when it was like
Speaker 1: they were giving out like twenty tags up in the region,
Speaker 1: one or two or something portions of it, right and
Speaker 1: and no one knew about it, and drawn the thing
Speaker 1: and no like no being raised in the north and
Speaker 1: living out west, sort of like no institutional knowledge about it, right,
Speaker 1: it wasn't raised by a turkey hunter, and and so
Speaker 1: many guys in the Southeast and areas of the South,
Speaker 1: it just has always been a thing. They never missed
Speaker 1: the seasons. But in these places where turkeys had to
Speaker 1: be reintroduced or flat out introduced, it was as much.
Speaker 1: So I feel like I've kind of almost discovered it
Speaker 1: and study it in a way where even though I've
Speaker 1: been doing it for a long time now, it's like
Speaker 1: still feels kind of new. There's still an excitement about it. Um.
Speaker 1: I think I didn't kill my first turkey. I mean,
Speaker 1: I'm forty seven now, so I've been hunting turkeys every
Speaker 1: year very avidly for twenty years, which sounds like, oh,
Speaker 1: that's long career of turkey hunting, But to me, it
Speaker 1: still feels new because I just like grow up with it,
Speaker 1: you know. Yeah, I've I've been so busy on the
Speaker 1: big game side, Like I haven't turkey hunted for like
Speaker 1: the last six years, um, you know, And so I'm
Speaker 1: excited to get a chance to get back out there
Speaker 1: and spend a couple of weeks chasing birds again. But yeah,
Speaker 1: it's it's the same way, like more even more so
Speaker 1: than elk, like nobody being an arch real hunter and
Speaker 1: knowing how to call to them, Like Turkey was completely foreign.
Speaker 1: We had nobody local that hunted him. Nobody knew how
Speaker 1: to give us any tips. And so it's like you
Speaker 1: just went to the internet, like hey, how do you
Speaker 1: what do you do? How do you make sounds? Once again,
Speaker 1: Will Primos in the Truth was like, all right, I
Speaker 1: can learn something from these guys and and try to
Speaker 1: employ some of this and and came up with their
Speaker 1: own strategies. But heck, I don't even know. I mean,
Speaker 1: we've killed a lot of birds and we're really successful,
Speaker 1: but I don't even know if I'm if we're doing
Speaker 1: it right or whatever right is. Um, you know, we're
Speaker 1: just super aggressive like elk hunters. We get close, we
Speaker 1: scare bird, we get closer, we try it, and who
Speaker 1: knows if it's right. I'm gonna get yelled at for this.
Speaker 1: There's probably gonna slap me, But like to me, it's
Speaker 1: it's like elk hunting in in the spring, Like we
Speaker 1: use the same exact strategies. We locate them, we go
Speaker 1: get close. Aside from not having to you know, fluff
Speaker 1: the wind checker, um, it's pretty much the same game,
Speaker 1: um for a lot of parts. And so I love
Speaker 1: that that being able to talk kind of control the
Speaker 1: bird and then be able to be aggressive remy warrants
Speaker 1: blood pressure is rising, right, he doesn't like that, but
Speaker 1: but I get it, yeah, because it's a it's an
Speaker 1: audio experience, um not grow. When we first started hunting
Speaker 1: turkeys and the I guess the mid nineties, uh, we did,
Speaker 1: like I guess anybody would you know, we go out
Speaker 1: and get a box call. I remember going out. We
Speaker 1: were so naive about it back then, getting a box calling,
Speaker 1: going out and not having chalk and pull over. I'm
Speaker 1: not kidding you, man, sitting there with my brother pulverizing
Speaker 1: sandstone with rocks into a dust that we could then
Speaker 1: rub on there to try to get some more notes
Speaker 1: out of it. I'm not joking, man, and then typically
Speaker 1: just losing patients and then doing belly crawls. Oh yeah.
Speaker 1: And it was fun over time because at first, like
Speaker 1: we would go out and we would glass them up
Speaker 1: and just kind of hang like almost like if you're
Speaker 1: you know again, like to go to the elk. Thing
Speaker 1: would be like the strategy of like kind of finding
Speaker 1: or heard seeing what they're doing, and trying to just
Speaker 1: like make something happen by nudging out in front of them.
Speaker 1: We would go out and and just try to like
Speaker 1: do stuff, ditch crawl and bush them, bush whack them,
Speaker 1: and then gradually being like, holy sh it, you can
Speaker 1: call these things in and how much and just how
Speaker 1: much fun it became and to be where now, Um,
Speaker 1: I just don't I don't bush whack them, Like I
Speaker 1: don't bush whack them? Is there anything not that I won't?
Speaker 1: But it's not Maybe I kind of won't. You killed
Speaker 1: a cripple one year? Do you hear that jumped up?
Speaker 1: But that was crippled. See, even as a call maker,
Speaker 1: like as much as I want to show the calls off,
Speaker 1: there's something that I absolutely love about being able to
Speaker 1: sneak in on a on a flock of turkeys. Um,
Speaker 1: you know, And I'm gonna put this claim out there.
Speaker 1: It's not necessarily the safest way, because who knows if
Speaker 1: somebody's calling do them. But if you know you're in
Speaker 1: a patch of timber or a wooded area, you know,
Speaker 1: or an area that there's not a bunch of other
Speaker 1: turkey hunters. Um, I love to like do that call
Speaker 1: and you know, sneak calling sneak and calling sneak and
Speaker 1: then you know, eventually you know, kind of fool their
Speaker 1: eyes and ears as well aside from calling. So I
Speaker 1: still as much I do, like you said, love to
Speaker 1: call him in I there's still something about like tracking
Speaker 1: a turkey down and like beating his maybe his best defense, sneaky,
Speaker 1: sneaky hunter if you can sneak up to within shotgun
Speaker 1: range of a turkey. I'm bill for being sneaky at
Speaker 1: the right size and stature. No, it's it's fun. I
Speaker 1: love calling them, but um, you know it's like there's
Speaker 1: there's part of me it still sometimes like especially once
Speaker 1: they get me a couple of times, I'm frustrated. I'm
Speaker 1: just gonna go track you down and kill you. What.
Speaker 1: When we were working on so we set to a
Speaker 1: project a while ago of doing um because we're all
Speaker 1: huge like here us folks that spell real good, are slow,
Speaker 1: slow witted, are oh boy, very interested in turkey hunting,
Speaker 1: And so we hit out an idea to try to
Speaker 1: start trying to like work up that we would have
Speaker 1: like a line of turkey calls that and I think
Speaker 1: we talked about would be that, Um, I like to
Speaker 1: think about and then doing it stuffing like gets people
Speaker 1: up and running for me, because earlier I was telling
Speaker 1: the story of just trying to like figure it out,
Speaker 1: you know, and learn how to be like basically proficient
Speaker 1: because you could be a phenomenal caller that I was
Speaker 1: talking about, guys up being a phenomenal caller. But I'm
Speaker 1: almost kind of surprised by the fact that every spring,
Speaker 1: I like, dumb ask me, like, every spring, I'm able
Speaker 1: to kill a handful of turkeys by a combination of, um,
Speaker 1: understanding the birds work in the habitat right, like taking
Speaker 1: their mood, but also just being able to do the
Speaker 1: like at the right time the right amount of calling,
Speaker 1: you know. And that's been hard to learn, man. And
Speaker 1: I think that the and and learning how to like
Speaker 1: just get like basically proficient at calls can be a
Speaker 1: challenging process. Um, I like trying to be pretty open
Speaker 1: about the fact that, like it's not like I just
Speaker 1: pick them up and kick ass, but I've got to
Speaker 1: the point where with the right stuff I can make
Speaker 1: the right noise and kill turkeys. And I think that's
Speaker 1: that's important to note, is everybody picks one up and
Speaker 1: if they need to be the best. It's like, as
Speaker 1: you know, as the interview earlier, you just need to
Speaker 1: I think cadence is important and as you mentioned, you know,
Speaker 1: being in the right spot at the right time, making
Speaker 1: the right decisions, um, being you know, extremely patient. Like
Speaker 1: I'm not very patient, so it's it's ruined a lot
Speaker 1: of turkey hunts for me or where I would have
Speaker 1: been successful quicker. But yeah, I don't think you need
Speaker 1: to be able to pick these up and be the
Speaker 1: best caller out there. You don't need to be you know,
Speaker 1: willing or able to go you know, take first or
Speaker 1: second on the stage or whatever it may be. You
Speaker 1: just need to be able to make the sounds and
Speaker 1: be more confident in making the sounds. That was the
Speaker 1: point I wanted to make, man, is uh, getting to
Speaker 1: that level of confidence where when you're in a good situation, um,
Speaker 1: having the confidence and then do what you need to
Speaker 1: do because like you just don't want to do it
Speaker 1: and have like some crazy sound that's just so far
Speaker 1: off it's not gonna work. But getting to where you're comfortable, like,
Speaker 1: at the right moment, I'll be able to do it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: there's a lot of cocky. Yeah. I think a lot
Speaker 1: of guys will get set up and they're so scared
Speaker 1: to make a sound. They're like, well, we'll just take
Speaker 1: our chances, like if that bird decides to walk by,
Speaker 1: will kill him. If not, we're just not gonna make
Speaker 1: a sound, you know. Um, And they'll just be silent.
Speaker 1: And I'm like, well, you at least need to get
Speaker 1: to the point where on whether it's a box, a pot, like,
Speaker 1: you know something, you need to be able to at
Speaker 1: least make a sound so that bird knows you're there
Speaker 1: and and draws their attention to U spot. Otherwise just
Speaker 1: sitting there. You know, your chances are are really low.
Speaker 1: I think you know, I'm actually wearing my meat or
Speaker 1: T shirt right now. That shows the probability of a
Speaker 1: turkey just walking by you if you do nothing. What's that?
Speaker 1: What's the percentage? It just depends, but it winds up
Speaker 1: being in this scenario, I think you have like a
Speaker 1: nine percent chance that he'll just walk by, younge. It's
Speaker 1: like all the computations to figure out, um it's distance
Speaker 1: from you. You just sit there and it's distance from you.
Speaker 1: And if you factor in this all these kind of things,
Speaker 1: what the odds it will pass within shotgun range at
Speaker 1: various distances as it goes about it roost. It's coming
Speaker 1: from a fixed a fixed point you call, you crawl
Speaker 1: into seventy yards? This is the question. You can see
Speaker 1: that we have a lot of different that's that, that's
Speaker 1: this computated Yeah, that's a turkey on there. That's a
Speaker 1: computation the same thing. And be that you crawl within
Speaker 1: seventy yards of a turkey on its roost and do nothing?
Speaker 1: What are the odds that will pass within shotgun range?
Speaker 1: So thirty yards on either side of you? Yeah, I
Speaker 1: think it was like nine. Or I had a guy
Speaker 1: I was cleaning fish one day in Michigan and there's
Speaker 1: a guy looking at this shirt and he says, you
Speaker 1: know that's wrong, And he's the one that sent I
Speaker 1: can't remember one of these around here's the one he sent. Oh,
Speaker 1: I didn't know that those aren't from the same purpose.
Speaker 1: He's like, he goes, I see what they're doing, but
Speaker 1: I do it that way. And he sent us a
Speaker 1: new formula. It's somewhere around here. Either way, it's it's
Speaker 1: better to try to do something. It's better to try something.
Speaker 1: In order to try something, you gotta have the confidence
Speaker 1: to do it. So when you're going to talk about
Speaker 1: making calls, a little bit like what like how you
Speaker 1: make them? What the hell is the turkey call? So
Speaker 1: like specifics because I mean, I talk through the whole
Speaker 1: walk through the whole arsenal. So there's there's multiple ways
Speaker 1: to get to what sounds like a turkey. And I'm
Speaker 1: not gonna you know, I'm not gonna say that I
Speaker 1: developed any of this. It's trying to perfect it and
Speaker 1: make it sound right and most of all easy to use.
Speaker 1: But in this lineup, we've got a box call, which
Speaker 1: is maybe the oldest form of calling turkeys out there.
Speaker 1: You know, two pieces of wood, um, the friction between
Speaker 1: them making a turkey sound, a yelp sound, cluck per um.
Speaker 1: We've got diaphragms, which I think are probably the most
Speaker 1: popular out there. Um you know think so, I think, well,
Speaker 1: I think they're the most used. Um, maybe they're not
Speaker 1: the most popular, but they're the most used. Um, I
Speaker 1: think they were. They're the one that everybody aspires to
Speaker 1: because it's hands that's where I was gonna get. I mean,
Speaker 1: we're calling the burden. Like I've only ever called one
Speaker 1: bird into the gun with the box call, and I
Speaker 1: was scared to death. But it would only answer that
Speaker 1: one call because there's so much movement, Like you can't
Speaker 1: sit there and not make movement. Same with a pot call,
Speaker 1: like it works great, Um, but you gotta have set
Speaker 1: somebody up on the air side of the tree or
Speaker 1: away from you, or some deflection so that they're not
Speaker 1: looking at where the guns at. Um. But you got
Speaker 1: the diaphragms, and we've got the pot calls. So it's
Speaker 1: kind of when you look at the three if you
Speaker 1: just stick to the I mean there's other things too,
Speaker 1: like wingbone calls and all like little spring loaded boxes.
Speaker 1: But if you take those the standards, it's kind of
Speaker 1: amazing if you look at them, the wildly different technological
Speaker 1: approaches to produce similar sounds. Those similar sounds, like you
Speaker 1: think that they would all look like a lot like
Speaker 1: each other, but they're real different, look different. But I
Speaker 1: think that the imagine to help me here, Jason. But
Speaker 1: like the components are friction and then a chamber, Yeah,
Speaker 1: a sound chamber. Friction aside from the diaphragm, like there
Speaker 1: were just but all the other ones technically can fall
Speaker 1: into that group of like the slot calls, the pushpins,
Speaker 1: you know, all of that, um you know wingbone. Back
Speaker 1: in the day, I tried to make some you know,
Speaker 1: wingbone calls, and I mean that's that's just like air, um,
Speaker 1: you know, going through the three different leg sections. A
Speaker 1: guy sent me some beautiful wingbone pretty it's fun to mess.
Speaker 1: They sound good. I haven't given it the amount of time,
Speaker 1: but he sent me a video of him doing it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he does nice little clocks on it. Got you. I've
Speaker 1: always wondered like if there's a uh you know, correlation
Speaker 1: between like how good they look and how good they sound,
Speaker 1: or because they can make him beautiful, But like does
Speaker 1: I think it's like it's like an it's like an
Speaker 1: artisan thing. Man, he like makes artism calls, but then
Speaker 1: he has gone out and killed turkeys with them. But
Speaker 1: it's it's very much. Um yeah, it's like it's more
Speaker 1: about craft. Yeah, yeah, I think than than than functionality.
Speaker 1: But it is interesting. You take a turkey's wingbone, chop
Speaker 1: it all up, reassemble it and suck on it and
Speaker 1: make like a turkey sound. Yeah, it's cool. I mean,
Speaker 1: you can all do that with a hollow stick probably too. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they've they've manufactured wingbone calls. To what you're doing on
Speaker 1: wingbo calls, you're basically like you're everything else is, you know,
Speaker 1: their mouth calls. You're blowing on a wingbone call, you're
Speaker 1: basically puckering and sucking. Yeah, it's like a reverse kiss almost. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's like you put your mouth on this little tube
Speaker 1: and go. Yeah. I had said something going aside one
Speaker 1: time to do it, and I'm like it was just
Speaker 1: too too deep. And I'm like, man, you can only
Speaker 1: make certain sounds, and I'm just gonna stick with these ones.
Speaker 1: So I wouldn't it be interesting if you could go
Speaker 1: back in time for seventeen fifty, right, and I know,
Speaker 1: you know, you know, you know, you know, like the
Speaker 1: Frontiersman and Boone's Air, like they ate a lot of turkeys.
Speaker 1: You know, they did a lot of roof shooting and whatnot.
Speaker 1: But were those guys sitting out there sucking on wingbone
Speaker 1: calls or they have been and I shoot him out
Speaker 1: of the tree man the dark. I ain't back then
Speaker 1: when it's I think they're shooting out of the tree.
Speaker 1: They just want to eat them and mess around with them.
Speaker 1: This call and now it's frowned upon legal in most states.
Speaker 1: I think it was. Abernathy was telling me the story
Speaker 1: about an area where there was historically like very few turkeys.
Speaker 1: And he was saying that someone he knew or some
Speaker 1: relative at his has a story where they saw a
Speaker 1: turkey in a tree and came home all excited. They
Speaker 1: went back and shot the turkey down out of the
Speaker 1: tree and brought it home and it was a buzzard.
Speaker 1: But it's like, that's how rare turkeys were. Man, I
Speaker 1: don't as much as you guys just laughed. I don't
Speaker 1: want to know if I want to tell this next story.
Speaker 1: Oh please, I'm a buzzard shooter. When I was young. Um,
Speaker 1: one of the areas we've had lots of turkeys. I
Speaker 1: was probably high school senior, junior in high school. UM,
Speaker 1: me and my wife were going on a bike ride
Speaker 1: or something kind of just to go check on the turkeys.
Speaker 1: And sure enough, something flushed up into a tree and oh,
Speaker 1: there's birds here, Like you back out. I'm gonna run
Speaker 1: home and get a shotgun and I'll come back out.
Speaker 1: And that bird had dropped back down in the field
Speaker 1: and they kind of snuck through the field and that
Speaker 1: was stinky old buzzard. Man. But as you know, it
Speaker 1: was season, it was everything was and you know, ended
Speaker 1: up shooting my first buzzard. I don't want to go
Speaker 1: into detail, but I've had occasion to smell a buzzard
Speaker 1: and it's all their worldly orders. Oh they're disgusting. That's
Speaker 1: not good an So yeah, back to the call. So yeah,
Speaker 1: we've got the three different calls. Um, you know, when
Speaker 1: you go into a box call, you're trying to pair
Speaker 1: up two woods that worked well together. You know, you
Speaker 1: could have put walnut on the walnut. You could put
Speaker 1: you know, cherry walnut. And we're kind of the standards.
Speaker 1: You can get into the exotics. But um, like man,
Speaker 1: I think when we sat out, when we set out
Speaker 1: to make this call, we wanted it to be good looking.
Speaker 1: But then also more importantly for me and us, is
Speaker 1: it for it to sound good. And so there's a
Speaker 1: there's a nostalgia to box calls where they bring out
Speaker 1: there's the ornateness to them. Like oftentimes people touch a
Speaker 1: box calling, the first thing they comment on is it
Speaker 1: it's beautiful. Yeah, and I mean, well the listeners can't
Speaker 1: see this thing right now. Um, but I mean this
Speaker 1: is I keep my ear turned to the Turkey world
Speaker 1: and like pay attention to box Like this thing is
Speaker 1: is a piece of art, the one that we put
Speaker 1: together in it and it more importantly, it just sounds good.
Speaker 1: And so um is Steven mentioned earlier like one of
Speaker 1: the things you have to do to get this call
Speaker 1: to operate is you need to get the lid to
Speaker 1: grab to the sidewall of the box. Um. And so
Speaker 1: we use chalk to do so. And then um, as
Speaker 1: you swipe I'm looking at the calls, the right handed
Speaker 1: callor I'm gonna swip the paddle right to left, it
Speaker 1: will make contact higher up the box. Um. So you
Speaker 1: need that to be a little bit thicker because we
Speaker 1: need to get less vibration out of this sidewall. And
Speaker 1: then as it gets down towards the bottom, we we'll
Speaker 1: hear that call start to break over and that's where
Speaker 1: it gets thinner. People at people at home. Imagine if
Speaker 1: somehow you don't know what this is, Imagine you have
Speaker 1: a rectangular box with a wooden lid. Yep, but then
Speaker 1: the lid is fixed at one point, so the lid
Speaker 1: can just kind of slide back and forth. So we're
Speaker 1: sliding the lid across the lip of the box. And
Speaker 1: so you just be down right excited and then not
Speaker 1: to pat myself on the back. But these things come
Speaker 1: out of some you know, some routers, some three D routers,
Speaker 1: as close as possible. But there's no when you're building
Speaker 1: a call out of wood. It's not like this latex,
Speaker 1: which I can take every piece of latex speck it out.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, it's point three inches exact. It's uniform wood
Speaker 1: as wood. And so here's the big crux of building
Speaker 1: a wood call that sounds good is that this thing
Speaker 1: might have grains that goes perfectly straight down the sidewall.
Speaker 1: It might have some sap wood in it, it might
Speaker 1: have some figure in am. I have a burrel on
Speaker 1: one side, and so here I am. After they'll come
Speaker 1: off of the machine. You have to literally tune one
Speaker 1: of these hand by hand, you know, one after another,
Speaker 1: each side by hand to get it both sides to
Speaker 1: run like a turkey. What does that process look like
Speaker 1: when you're doing that? So I get it's kind of
Speaker 1: like if you can imagine me being very angry at first, um,
Speaker 1: because I'm gonna I'm running the box way harder than
Speaker 1: I should. I'm really just trying to get that chalk
Speaker 1: to like bite into the grain and really just like
Speaker 1: fill the call up with chalk. And then you're listening,
Speaker 1: Like as you do it over time, you you get
Speaker 1: a pretty good ear for it. Like if it sounds
Speaker 1: like it's scratchy, like the box call I have is
Speaker 1: not tuned on the left side, So if I start
Speaker 1: to hear like wood versus would like a scratchy it's
Speaker 1: typically in the paddle. UM, So I'll take the paddle off,
Speaker 1: or I'll stand the paddle and try to get it
Speaker 1: to smooth out, or maybe there's like a little bit
Speaker 1: of a chunk out of the paddle. Um. If it's
Speaker 1: not like if the timing is not right, like hide
Speaker 1: to low, and like in Cadence, it's typically on the sidewall,
Speaker 1: so I'll go mess with the sidewall and then out
Speaker 1: a section and and it's kind of it's really an
Speaker 1: art to kind of hand tune these things. Now, we
Speaker 1: could set up the machine to just do all this perfectly,
Speaker 1: but once again it's would um. And so for me
Speaker 1: rather than throwing half of these boxes in the garbage,
Speaker 1: because I don't want to put your name, the meat
Speaker 1: eater name, or the Phelps name on them. I don't
Speaker 1: want to toss these all. What we do is we
Speaker 1: do kind of a conservative build on a box call.
Speaker 1: Give me a lot of meat in that wall, and
Speaker 1: all slowly stand my way into a call that sounds good.
Speaker 1: How long does it take you to tune one? Um,
Speaker 1: it really depends. Some of them will give me like
Speaker 1: a five to ten minute fit, like need a lot
Speaker 1: of work. Sometimes it's just a real quick you know,
Speaker 1: thirty swipes, ten swipes to get the angle right, and
Speaker 1: we're we will swipe, swipe, check and we're out in
Speaker 1: a minute. And you too, You always tune one wall. No,
Speaker 1: so on my personal call I brought here, I just
Speaker 1: tuned the right side because I'm right handed caller. That's
Speaker 1: the side I play most. Whether I'm I'm kind of
Speaker 1: the I don't know what you call us the tomahawk chop,
Speaker 1: like running it this way, or if I'm running it
Speaker 1: kind of flat style. Um, so the right side is
Speaker 1: what I play typically. But on every call we send out,
Speaker 1: we try to tune them to two different turkeys left
Speaker 1: and right, and make sure that both sides play um,
Speaker 1: and and everybody's a little bit different. Um. I kind
Speaker 1: of have a group of pre tuners that get me
Speaker 1: close so that I'm not so that I'm not doing
Speaker 1: the entire legwork myself, because five D seems like a
Speaker 1: big number. Maybe a small number, but it seems like
Speaker 1: it's a million when you're when it comes to like
Speaker 1: five box calls needing tuned, UM, that number becomes exponentially
Speaker 1: bigger than it really is one of your counting box calls.
Speaker 1: So if you want to touch something touched by the
Speaker 1: actual Jason Phelps right now, pull a fingerprint off. Oh
Speaker 1: I know all the mouth calls have been in his mouth?
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, we pretun all those. That's a that's a
Speaker 1: little call humor, that's no old that's an old call joke.
Speaker 1: The mouth calls have not been and felps his mouth.
Speaker 1: And then one of the things I do why we're
Speaker 1: we've got the time is is like tuning a box call,
Speaker 1: like showing up here to Montana and what relative humidity
Speaker 1: going to Washington to relative humidity. Um, there's a spring
Speaker 1: under the screw which the box call pivots on that
Speaker 1: can rattle around and rotate even in shipping or from
Speaker 1: you may need to adjust that and so well, I
Speaker 1: don't recommend you take your box call and get your
Speaker 1: Phillips head screw driver out before you start to play it.
Speaker 1: There is always some minor tweaking on that screw um
Speaker 1: if the call seems to be too high pitch and
Speaker 1: it doesn't break over, if you run the screw clockwise
Speaker 1: and actually tighten it, you will start to get your
Speaker 1: back end earlier, so you'll get the two you know,
Speaker 1: the second part of the note before you're all the
Speaker 1: way parallel. Um. If your call is too tight, then
Speaker 1: you can loosen it and it will actually make the
Speaker 1: call higher pitch. UM. So there's it's kind of as
Speaker 1: I mentioned earlier, So the tunings me standing it and
Speaker 1: then really adjusting the screw um for the box called
Speaker 1: it we designed. Um A good starting place is the screw,
Speaker 1: the the the brass crew all the way down and
Speaker 1: then come out three quarters of a turn. It's kind
Speaker 1: of going to get you in that ballpark, and we
Speaker 1: started adjusting from there. UM. So like I always cringe,
Speaker 1: it's people like getting out and tune in their calls
Speaker 1: right off the bat. But that's if things are just
Speaker 1: out of whack. Um, that's that's a good place to
Speaker 1: get back to because just a slight turn, not even
Speaker 1: a whole quarter turn on a box call huge, huge, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean the eighth of a turn would would change
Speaker 1: the call when I was tuning them from not working
Speaker 1: to speak in like Perry Turkey, it's crazy that a
Speaker 1: little bit of just changing the angle that that leads
Speaker 1: hitting hitting the boxes is what matters. No idea is that,
Speaker 1: like I would you know, my tendencies to get in there,
Speaker 1: I don't know, quarter half crank. I mean like I'll
Speaker 1: get to the bottom of this and that's where it's.
Speaker 1: You know, you can nerd out on these things because
Speaker 1: that eighth of a turn matters, or you know, the
Speaker 1: difference in the wood matters, or you know, I got
Speaker 1: to the point where, oh we got sap wood on
Speaker 1: one side, we need to come out a little bit
Speaker 1: more because it's a a bit tighter grain or whatever
Speaker 1: it needs to be. Like you just start to learn.
Speaker 1: But um, yeah, those things were meant to be, you know,
Speaker 1: tweaked a little bit by the end user based on location, humidity, um.
Speaker 1: And then we also want to note, um, the box
Speaker 1: call is tough to run at least ours being you know,
Speaker 1: pure wood doesn't have the waterproof chalk or anything. They're
Speaker 1: they're kind of the first call that gets put away
Speaker 1: in a plastic bag, you know, when the rain hits.
Speaker 1: So that call kind of just it's a it's a
Speaker 1: fair weather call, um, but it does have it's got
Speaker 1: that distance. And I just love the sound of a
Speaker 1: well tuned box call. Um. I know a lot of
Speaker 1: guys like you and just trying to you know, when
Speaker 1: you can't get nothing going on, just trying to get
Speaker 1: a gobble too, because you just get a loud piercing,
Speaker 1: you know, and you're just trying to try and something. Man,
Speaker 1: they'll pull that, they'll pull that one out. Just try
Speaker 1: to make something happen. Talk about the before we leave
Speaker 1: the box call, that one thing that we wanted in
Speaker 1: the design of it was compact yep. Box calls can
Speaker 1: sometimes be unruly how big they are, Like they don't
Speaker 1: even make pockets in your vest that will fit some
Speaker 1: of the ones that are out there. But this one's
Speaker 1: nice where you could just you know, putting your pant
Speaker 1: pocket if you wanted to. Ye nine inches long and
Speaker 1: about one one seven inches white, So it's it's a
Speaker 1: nice compact side that that still gets a good high note. Um.
Speaker 1: You know, like you had mentioned, you got those old
Speaker 1: fifteen inch like boat paddles that are just you know,
Speaker 1: you're out there just big old swipes and and they're
Speaker 1: just tough to hunt with. Um, how many? How many
Speaker 1: of those are we gonna have? The sky's the limit?
Speaker 1: Like we just we we kind of hit with this
Speaker 1: just like here is how many you want to pick up? Two?
Speaker 1: We can We'll just we'll have to figure out a
Speaker 1: better system, but we can or I'm gonna have to
Speaker 1: hire somebody that's like a box call tuner. But we
Speaker 1: know the first five have been um, yeah, and so
Speaker 1: then we've got the pot calls. Um. I think I
Speaker 1: don't know if you honest was a bigger um cheerleader
Speaker 1: for the smaller pots, if it was Steve, But I
Speaker 1: know we didn't go with a full size pot. No, No,
Speaker 1: I were either. We're in we're in a line together again.
Speaker 1: So you know most of your pots are like because
Speaker 1: my turkey best has a small little the pocket heard
Speaker 1: why we have a slightly smaller pot call just so
Speaker 1: Steve can fit these in his vest um. They're a
Speaker 1: little bit smaller, like the way it feels in your head,
Speaker 1: they're easier to hold. Um. There's a lot of good
Speaker 1: reasons for it. And then we kind of went back
Speaker 1: and forth, do we bring out a slate, do we
Speaker 1: bring out of glass at crystal? And we ultimately ended
Speaker 1: up on a slate over glass and then a UM
Speaker 1: crystal over slate UM inside of a walnut pot. Yeah. Man,
Speaker 1: that's the thing that explain it to people, how it's
Speaker 1: got how they're not laminated. Where do you describe like
Speaker 1: what how there's multiple surfaces that live inside there. So
Speaker 1: what you need is is it's kind of that sound
Speaker 1: chamber and is is you guys, nobody can see this,
Speaker 1: but these both all have like dimensions that we were
Speaker 1: as we were prototyping these um. The distance you set
Speaker 1: that soundboard underneath the playing surface affects your breakover, it
Speaker 1: affects your notes, it affects everything that this call produces.
Speaker 1: And so the height you there's a pedestal that's actually
Speaker 1: like on this call um that the sounding board is
Speaker 1: glued to, and we change the height of that pedestal.
Speaker 1: The higher it is, the higher pitch, the lower it
Speaker 1: is that the debt or the call gets UM. And
Speaker 1: so we we need to set that um so that
Speaker 1: we can I don't know what how you everybody's kind
Speaker 1: of got the own their own place they play on
Speaker 1: these but on the edges. Yeah, so the edge, I
Speaker 1: would say on most calls, you probably come in like
Speaker 1: a half inch off the edge, you know, kind of
Speaker 1: as a And so that's where I played and kind
Speaker 1: of tuned all these calls to where most people will
Speaker 1: play on that perimeter, but you know, a little bit
Speaker 1: off the edge. UM. And so you just kind of
Speaker 1: trying to find two surfaces that complement each other. You know,
Speaker 1: there's aluminum, there's there's you know, people use real wood
Speaker 1: sound boards. UM. There's all kinds of of soundboards and
Speaker 1: tops that you can play with UM. But crystal is
Speaker 1: really consistent. It gives that sharper high note UM and
Speaker 1: then it kind of comes down and hits that slate,
Speaker 1: which kind of gives it a more mellow back end
Speaker 1: versus the slate. It's got that mellow front end, but
Speaker 1: then you use the glass to kind of give it
Speaker 1: a little bit of of a pep. And so it's
Speaker 1: we tested a bunch of these glass crystal slate, and
Speaker 1: I think we just wanted to kind of stay with
Speaker 1: the typical at least in the start. Um A good
Speaker 1: glass slash crystal call and A and a good slate
Speaker 1: call I always carry too. And that's that same configuration
Speaker 1: because one I leave stuff laying out in the woods
Speaker 1: and I gotta go back and try to find that
Speaker 1: tree where I was sitting, UM, and that keeps me
Speaker 1: busy while you know, I still have something in my
Speaker 1: arsenal when I leave one laying out in the woods.
Speaker 1: And too. The rain issue is different because when you
Speaker 1: get traditional like you know, slate like traditional, it's like
Speaker 1: slate like out of the earth. Right when it gets wet,
Speaker 1: it's hard to monkey with um glass, is uh? Or
Speaker 1: you know the crystal service, you just like dry that
Speaker 1: thing off, or if you have a waterproof striker or
Speaker 1: an all weather striker, you can just keep playing that
Speaker 1: thing right through. Yeah, so this little bit bulletproof, but
Speaker 1: the crystal's wet as long as you're strikers a waterproof striker,
Speaker 1: you see crystal with an aluminium like with an aluminium striker,
Speaker 1: that doesn't matter. I mean, it's all easy to dry.
Speaker 1: It's that issue. I messed this too. I've even taken
Speaker 1: like I've even held mine up just taking a lighter.
Speaker 1: I just flick the lighter on there, and I thinks
Speaker 1: back to brand new maybe yep, So you can you know,
Speaker 1: play that. And then, you know, preps a big thing.
Speaker 1: Like we're sending these calls out and non prepped it's like,
Speaker 1: well that's a huge part of you know, whatever way
Speaker 1: you scratch or prep the call, you want to run
Speaker 1: the striker in the opposite direction, you know, not with
Speaker 1: the scratches. And so inside these calls it was very important.
Speaker 1: I think you called me up and say, hey, we
Speaker 1: need some sort of instructions in here. And so now
Speaker 1: when we ship the calls, like we will give very
Speaker 1: detailed instructions about the approximate location. You know, if it's
Speaker 1: a crystal, you should take the you know, provided conditioning stone,
Speaker 1: if it's a slate, you know, use the you know,
Speaker 1: provided scouring pad um, and we give exact locations on
Speaker 1: on where to scratch the call up to get that
Speaker 1: good sound. Yeah, like meaning if you open like if
Speaker 1: you open up of these crystal calls and you take
Speaker 1: your striker and you're like it doesn't work, like it
Speaker 1: won't work. You have to create and a braided like
Speaker 1: sanded spot and people will kind of hunt around on there,
Speaker 1: and it's not It's never gonna be the same for
Speaker 1: two people, right like, because just everything about sort of
Speaker 1: how you hold your hands, you configuration, how you work
Speaker 1: the striker, it's never gonna be the same for two people.
Speaker 1: So you're gonna you might explore around and find a
Speaker 1: couple little different spots that you like, um to get
Speaker 1: the sounds you want. And then on top of that,
Speaker 1: you'll sort of learn what you can get away with
Speaker 1: in terms of how frequently you need to refresh it.
Speaker 1: But things you've got to figure out. Two is if
Speaker 1: you even if you have like if your hands are sweaty,
Speaker 1: if you got you know, just your natural oil skin
Speaker 1: oils on your fingers, you get that stuff on slate, man,
Speaker 1: it's like tough. Yeah, And so you kind of learned
Speaker 1: how to it's good just to learn how to do
Speaker 1: it because it's not like you prep it once. And
Speaker 1: then that if if you just you got this call
Speaker 1: and you open it's like, oh it's pretty prepped. There's
Speaker 1: still maintenance. Yep. When I sit down the woods in
Speaker 1: the morning. Man, before I do anything, I'll be sitting
Speaker 1: in the dark. Before I do anything, I'd go through
Speaker 1: my little conditioning ritual to make sure that thing is
Speaker 1: ready to start. Crank, get some noise on, and like
Speaker 1: before you make a sound, like you know, the striker tip,
Speaker 1: it'll eventually go up just from running through some of that.
Speaker 1: You know, you try to clean it off, but it's
Speaker 1: like you know, you scratching your scou scour pad just
Speaker 1: to make sure that things ready to go. So you
Speaker 1: don't you know, slide as you mentioned earlier, when the
Speaker 1: call is not conditioned. If that once that striker doesn't
Speaker 1: have any bite anymore either, you'll just kind of slide
Speaker 1: across the call and it it won't produce sounds. So
Speaker 1: there's we provide all of that with these calls so
Speaker 1: that they can be conditioned. Instructions and make sure that
Speaker 1: you know the call war were one right, Yeah, you
Speaker 1: get like slommy grease on the end of that strikes done. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I don't understand when my kids take one or run
Speaker 1: around the house for an hour, it never works. I
Speaker 1: think it's just I think it's just a greasy little
Speaker 1: hands that they're done for like, but yeah, you gotta
Speaker 1: take like a mill off the end of that striker
Speaker 1: to get it back to life. I think they got
Speaker 1: it up their nose and stuff. I don't know what
Speaker 1: they do to them and they make them that work.
Speaker 1: So yeah, the conditioning thing, and like the crystal call, man,
Speaker 1: it's got like it's it's beautiful. It's got like the
Speaker 1: sound board has a design. Um, it's like it's collateral damage.
Speaker 1: I mean, you're gonna obscure the crystal and obscure the
Speaker 1: thing when you start monkeying with getting your thing. The
Speaker 1: slate is way different and that the same thing you
Speaker 1: used to wash your dishes. But you still gotta you
Speaker 1: still gotta take care of the surface. Yeah. But one thing,
Speaker 1: I mean, these specific calls, like we laser etch the slate,
Speaker 1: like they're gonna they're gonna get damaged in the in
Speaker 1: the prep of this call, no matter what you do. Um,
Speaker 1: So don't you know, just just scratch over the top
Speaker 1: of the meat eater phelps name or across the bird
Speaker 1: um to get that prepped. Um. You know it's not
Speaker 1: meant to last forever for me personally. Um, in my
Speaker 1: kind of calling, you know, wanting to learn how to
Speaker 1: like kill turkey's good, I wind up having I think
Speaker 1: in terms of labor versus output, practice versus output. I
Speaker 1: had the greatest advances learning how on pot calls, where, um,
Speaker 1: you know a box call, they're great, there's like very
Speaker 1: good turkey hunters just use box calls, right, But they're
Speaker 1: they're they're loud, which is one of the big selling points.
Speaker 1: Like vlue. You know, they have a high volume. Um,
Speaker 1: and some people can get a lot of some people
Speaker 1: can get developed quite a vocabulary with it, but anyone
Speaker 1: could pick one up and start making like a loud yelp.
Speaker 1: Not anyone. Most people learning the rest of the vocabulary
Speaker 1: is a little harder, and learning how to do just
Speaker 1: subtle sounds like you know, you got a bird hung
Speaker 1: up at fifty yards and you can't see them good,
Speaker 1: and you're sort of trying to make something happen before
Speaker 1: something goes wrong. It might not be the best bet
Speaker 1: just to be like, yeah, you're just kind of telling
Speaker 1: it you're here, right and trying to keep it around. UM.
Speaker 1: I think that in the time I spent massing with it,
Speaker 1: I was more quickly. I was more able to learn
Speaker 1: how to do the basic calls like here's a yelp,
Speaker 1: here's a clock right, here's a purr on that on
Speaker 1: that medium, over other things. And then I in my mind,
Speaker 1: for me like the real master, like the thing that's
Speaker 1: like the most alluring because you learn how the mouth call,
Speaker 1: and you could do the entire vocabulary and never move
Speaker 1: your hand. But that's like the kind of thing you
Speaker 1: got to dedicate yourself to. Yeah, you know where the
Speaker 1: pot call, as you mentioned, you can pick that up
Speaker 1: and I think anybody can run it within about five
Speaker 1: minutes of an instructions or at least starting to sound
Speaker 1: like a turkey like the mouth call takes some some dedication. No,
Speaker 1: you gotta be like, you know what, man, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: spend years like I don't mind, I'm gonna drive around
Speaker 1: in my car, drive around in my truck, and I'm
Speaker 1: gonna learn how to do this, and then when you
Speaker 1: get there, you're there. Yea, you know, but it's a
Speaker 1: journey to learn how I mean. And and you know
Speaker 1: the crazy thing is that's being guys and turkey call
Speaker 1: guys like I don't know what it is, and I
Speaker 1: wish I could figure out what it is, but we
Speaker 1: get got hey, I can run this out call, but
Speaker 1: I can't run a tricky Callor hey, I can run
Speaker 1: the tricky calls, but I can't run your out calls.
Speaker 1: And it's like, you know, but ultimately, as you alluded
Speaker 1: to a little bit earlier, is you know, these calls.
Speaker 1: We wanted design calls that were easy to use, but
Speaker 1: then also calls at the very experienced caller would be
Speaker 1: you know, happy to use. And so it's it's tough
Speaker 1: to kind of strike that, you know, and we develop
Speaker 1: it through materials, through the cuts, um, all of that.
Speaker 1: And so ultimately we brought out four Turkey calls. They
Speaker 1: come into three pack, which is yours, which is a
Speaker 1: Jake Break Steve, Steve and Ella Jake break. Love that
Speaker 1: term Jake break yep. Um, we've got love them, Jakes,
Speaker 1: We've got you. This is which Jakes have saved a
Speaker 1: lot of Turkey hunts. Man. They eat the same two,
Speaker 1: don't they. Yeah. And my kids this year, like he's
Speaker 1: you know, he had his first Turkey season last year,
Speaker 1: and um, I he'll be this will be a second
Speaker 1: Turkey season depending on where I go. My daughter will
Speaker 1: have her first Turkey season this year. And uh, you know,
Speaker 1: I know that the jake's out there will hopefully help
Speaker 1: them get over that initial hump. Yeah, no, jake's are fun.
Speaker 1: I haven't introduced to them the idea that it's not
Speaker 1: the perfect turkey that'll be they'll be happy with the jake. Uh.
Speaker 1: And then so Jannice is lat via ego. It's the
Speaker 1: heaviest call in the group. Um, he used a little
Speaker 1: thicker latex. Explain that. So what you get with the
Speaker 1: heavier latex is a little more volume, a little more
Speaker 1: long distance calling, a little heavier cutting. And then just
Speaker 1: by adding um, heavier latex, you also get a little
Speaker 1: bit deeper turkey. You know, an older boss hand. Um sound,
Speaker 1: it's a it's we need more air, a little more air.
Speaker 1: It's not gonna light up, you know, as you mentioned earlier,
Speaker 1: like if you want to do a little soft purr,
Speaker 1: it might you know, that perr might be mid the
Speaker 1: loud volume by time you get it to to fire off.
Speaker 1: Where you know, like with your call or the meater's
Speaker 1: choice or the easy cluck, or you could do really
Speaker 1: subtle light clucks. You can still do it. A good
Speaker 1: color can still do it on your honest's call. It's
Speaker 1: just gonna be it's almost to that box, like if
Speaker 1: you want to reach the Turkey three canyons over, Like
Speaker 1: you can yelp on that thing and get that volume
Speaker 1: out of it. But you find that people can generally
Speaker 1: learn easier on the lighter latex typically. Um, it's just
Speaker 1: they get sound and so they they're they're maybe not frustrated.
Speaker 1: Now that doesn't necessarily mean learning. Like you might have
Speaker 1: just a heavy mouth guy that just wants to put
Speaker 1: all the air and as lung as the the call,
Speaker 1: and so even though he's not an experienced caller, he
Speaker 1: may preferrer honest is over. And that's where it's like
Speaker 1: it's all over the board, like trying to find you know,
Speaker 1: we get there the email, Hey I'm a new hunter.
Speaker 1: What should I use? And it's like I'd like to
Speaker 1: put you in this for eight, but you might be
Speaker 1: the complete opposite and want something else. That's why it
Speaker 1: gets good to have, you know, to get a handful
Speaker 1: of at once and just start messing with them. Yeah
Speaker 1: U so yeah, he has got a cutter's cut on it.
Speaker 1: Um really really raspy. Um. I like that call. And
Speaker 1: then the latex should also withstand that heavier calling yeah,
Speaker 1: a little bit longer before it kind of plays out.
Speaker 1: It's a little more durable UM where you know Steve,
Speaker 1: Steve's call UM has a lighter piece of latex on
Speaker 1: top with what we consider a combo cut with some
Speaker 1: proof as you're playing read, so it's a little lighter,
Speaker 1: but it achieves that higher pitch easier, UM without putting
Speaker 1: a bunch of air to it. UM. And then the
Speaker 1: meter's choice once again, we're using prof as the backing read,
Speaker 1: the playing read, and then we've got um. It's kind
Speaker 1: of a modified bat wing is what we're calling it
Speaker 1: something UM so really easy that and then we still
Speaker 1: get that rasp out of it. And then the single
Speaker 1: call by itself is is easy clucker where we put
Speaker 1: a ghost cut in it and uh, really really easy
Speaker 1: to use, easy to get your kiki runs out of
Speaker 1: and stuff your immature turkeys. Um. But it's typically the
Speaker 1: most easy for a new caller to run uh dirt.
Speaker 1: I didn't know, like you don't even strike me as this,
Speaker 1: but um current had it down that you were a
Speaker 1: saxophone player. Not a lot of people know that about me.
Speaker 1: It's like you're Chevy Chase of Bill Clinton Man Bill Clinton,
Speaker 1: Hey my saxophone. Let me show you something. Yeah, growing
Speaker 1: up in a little town of Weipe, I was in
Speaker 1: the band from junior high school through my sophomore year,
Speaker 1: and I sold my sacks and about a three thirty
Speaker 1: eight wind meg. Does uh that be a read instrument
Speaker 1: and a diaphragm call being like a read? Um? Right? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Like we're like, oh, this is easy. I used to
Speaker 1: play saxophone. Um, it's different. Yeah, but it's there's some
Speaker 1: some weird nuances between diaphragms and and saxophone reads. Uh,
Speaker 1: quality construction. Like if you buy the cheap sax reads,
Speaker 1: they don't seem to work as good. You just can't
Speaker 1: get the sweet sweet tones and melodies and something you know,
Speaker 1: brand X brand whatever. A lot of guys will kind
Speaker 1: of pick up a diaphragm and be like, ah, first
Speaker 1: time in their mouth, doesn't sound good. I can't do it.
Speaker 1: But experimenting a little bit, you you find that not
Speaker 1: all diaphragms are built the same. Same with saxophone reads.
Speaker 1: One of my buddies would lend me a read here,
Speaker 1: try one of these. You'd have a really nice Rico
Speaker 1: read or something, and I'd throw that baby in and
Speaker 1: I was like, Wow, all of a sudden just got
Speaker 1: way better. Yeah. So I kind of feel the same
Speaker 1: thing about diaphragms, whether it's Turkey calls, elk calls, Like
Speaker 1: there's a quality issue, not all not all created equals. Yeah,
Speaker 1: some of them, like those sacks reads would absorb water
Speaker 1: really fast and then they just kind of fall apart.
Speaker 1: So I don't know if they're making them out of
Speaker 1: cheap bamboo or or what, but there's definitely a difference.
Speaker 1: Do you play anymore? I haven't played one since sophomore
Speaker 1: in high school. I bet I could probably still play
Speaker 1: one if I had one in front of me. Um,
Speaker 1: how long does it take to put when you guys
Speaker 1: decided making new call holls, how long does it actually
Speaker 1: take to get it right before you can start selling
Speaker 1: it to people? It just really depends, um, you know,
Speaker 1: whether it's a box calls or a little more finicky.
Speaker 1: You know. So if we're gonna bring a new ballox
Speaker 1: call out, and and this is where I don't know
Speaker 1: if we want to talk production versus like if I
Speaker 1: was to build one is way different. Um, Like my
Speaker 1: whole thought process, the whole machining process, Like I used
Speaker 1: to build box calls and pot calls out my shop,
Speaker 1: Like I would chuck, you know, the back of ours
Speaker 1: don't have a hole in the center. I would drill
Speaker 1: a hole through any piece of walnut, spent it down
Speaker 1: to a circle, you know, build the shape. And I
Speaker 1: sold lots of pot calls back in the day. I
Speaker 1: built a couple of boxes where I would you know,
Speaker 1: hand chisel out the sides and sand everything down. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and so I had built box calls. But getting your
Speaker 1: mind right to build five hundred a thousand, two thousand
Speaker 1: is a completely different animal. Like you need to be
Speaker 1: on the conservative side so that when you do get
Speaker 1: that weird piece of wood. Um. So like, for instance,
Speaker 1: the walnut we bought is a lot more of a
Speaker 1: pain in my ass than the purple heart. The purple
Speaker 1: hearts all straight as an arrow, everything's perfect where the
Speaker 1: wall and that was kind of all over the place,
Speaker 1: and so you're like, you know, you had to mess
Speaker 1: with it or each one had to be tuned. Um.
Speaker 1: You know, in the future, I think we will I
Speaker 1: more select grade of lumbers so we're not dealing with
Speaker 1: knots and issues, especially when it comes to calls. You know,
Speaker 1: some of these calls are beautiful because they do have
Speaker 1: a swirl here there. Um. But for for um, you know,
Speaker 1: music instruments, Um, we should probably stick to the But
Speaker 1: I would say, now with with everything we we know, um,
Speaker 1: the designs we've got, um, you know, if we were
Speaker 1: to do something new, would probably you know, a month
Speaker 1: or two, get the materials, make some changes and get
Speaker 1: something out Um these I'll tell you. I want to
Speaker 1: tell you why I'm asking, But now you're making seems
Speaker 1: like it's not a good idea. I want to do
Speaker 1: a thing where we find a tree that we really like,
Speaker 1: shop that tree down right, and then go through take
Speaker 1: people through the whole process, remill it, dry it right,
Speaker 1: and then out of that will come box calls. All right,
Speaker 1: we could do that, no problem, and you could get
Speaker 1: a box call that you've watched it from the tree
Speaker 1: to the call. Yep, I think we do a series
Speaker 1: of calls that comes one tree. How many would we
Speaker 1: get off one tree, a black walnut, if it's old enough,
Speaker 1: A lot, uh, a lot of you could do. You
Speaker 1: could do this whole production round out of one big
Speaker 1: black walnut, just the place I think we have in Seth.
Speaker 1: You said he would be able to grade because he
Speaker 1: was trained up in forestry. Do you know that? So
Speaker 1: I want structural selector bat Well, that's the money tree
Speaker 1: usually high value. But it's like to tell the guy
Speaker 1: that we're getting it triple triple stumpage. That would be
Speaker 1: timber timber trespass. Uh Seth worked on a thing one
Speaker 1: time to where stolen trees explained this stuth. Yeah, we
Speaker 1: when we were when I was in college, we had
Speaker 1: a we did like this. It was I forget what
Speaker 1: class was in, but we had a lab where we like,
Speaker 1: there was a timber it was an actual timber trespass. Um,
Speaker 1: but we like mimic the timber trestpass where someone like
Speaker 1: a logger had gone on to the neighboring property and
Speaker 1: cut a bunch of trees and then you have to
Speaker 1: go in and like measure indentations in the soil when
Speaker 1: the tree was dropped and just trying to figure out
Speaker 1: how much volume was taking. Yeah, it's like, um, um,
Speaker 1: what's that word I'm looking for? Damn it. It's like
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Speaker 1: Who's actually winning this? Uh we're not gonna the results
Speaker 1: are still out. Yeah, yeah, we're not going to talk
Speaker 1: about this short term battle that we're in. Well do
Speaker 1: you give because I know you guys have like your
Speaker 1: own allies, like people who follow your own like signature
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Speaker 1: open his mouth and it's a what color, Dirk red,
Speaker 1: I know he's been Dirk's mouth. Yeah. Alright, So again,
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Speaker 1: videos about the calls. Um. You know it's funny when
Speaker 1: we're filming those. I was getting I had a gobbler ripping.
Speaker 1: Did you really in a place where there are no gobblers?
Speaker 1: Well they're there a little bit. That's how good there
Speaker 1: you trying to point in the right direction and then
Speaker 1: that way later that evening when you guys wrapped probably
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Speaker 1: Thanks for having us. Thanks Jason Phelps Dirk during him
Speaker 1: famous saxophonist turned Turkey collar just say your saxophone is
Speaker 1: in some pawn shop right now. It is definitely alright, guys.
Speaker 1: Thanks a lot,