WEBVTT - Ep. 262: The Jake Brake 0:00:08.960 --> 0:00:13.320 This is me eater podcast coming at you shirtless, severely, 0:00:13.440 --> 0:00:17.680 bug bitten, and in my case, underwear listening un podcast. 0:00:18.239 --> 0:00:22.440 You can't predict anything presented by on X. Hunt creators 0:00:22.480 --> 0:00:26.120 are the most comprehensive digital mapping system for hunters. Download 0:00:26.120 --> 0:00:28.960 the Hunt app from the iTunes or Google play store, 0:00:29.320 --> 0:00:35.960 nor where you stand with on X. 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This is the first installment of 0:01:14.319 --> 0:01:17.040 a recurring segment and the segments called we need to 0:01:17.120 --> 0:01:22.319 jingle for it. It's called um Chester gets rich off Bitcoin. Now, Chester, 0:01:23.640 --> 0:01:25.640 this is really a story about walife. I'm gonna putting 0:01:25.600 --> 0:01:28.040 like a slot machine down there. Yeah, it's cashing out coins. 0:01:28.319 --> 0:01:30.200 Can you build a little something? Yeah, I think it's 0:01:30.200 --> 0:01:34.560 a slot machine. And then something to signify a Walleye boat. Okay, 0:01:34.600 --> 0:01:36.640 so if you could hear an engine, you know, like 0:01:36.680 --> 0:01:40.959 a outboard, and you kind of got the colt pissing 0:01:41.000 --> 0:01:43.520 out and messing by through through the headphones like left 0:01:43.560 --> 0:01:46.880 to right, him hauling asked by, and then a sound 0:01:46.920 --> 0:01:49.840 of like cascading money out of slot machine. They'll introduce 0:01:50.480 --> 0:01:54.480 Chester gets rich off Bitcoin, The Continuing Adventures of Chester 0:01:54.640 --> 0:02:05.240 the investor. Come that's it, come off. Chester once a 0:02:05.280 --> 0:02:08.200 Walleye bolt, real bad. And so he sent how much 0:02:08.200 --> 0:02:13.160 money off to bitcoin right now? About four grand? No? 0:02:13.240 --> 0:02:17.040 Initially initially like a hundred bucks. Yeah, and that was 0:02:17.120 --> 0:02:18.840 with him one weekend, and what shot up to like 0:02:18.880 --> 0:02:22.520 five dollars and I called you a liar, you know, 0:02:22.560 --> 0:02:25.959 I called you something. I think, Yeah, your hundred bucks 0:02:25.960 --> 0:02:28.440 turned into four hundred bucks. This is I'm not giving 0:02:28.480 --> 0:02:31.480 investment advice here. I still think he's I still think 0:02:31.480 --> 0:02:34.400 he's gonna get screwed in the end. But no way. 0:02:36.160 --> 0:02:39.600 And over the weekend he made like a lot of money. Yeah, 0:02:39.639 --> 0:02:43.200 I mean, um, over over this week this last weekend. 0:02:43.560 --> 0:02:47.919 I'm going back, going back still to when when when 0:02:47.960 --> 0:02:51.440 we all caught COVID over you've already had it. But yeah, 0:02:51.520 --> 0:02:54.480 over the weekend, I probably made I don't know, like 0:02:54.760 --> 0:02:56.960 over three hundred bucks. And you didn't believe me. And 0:02:57.000 --> 0:02:59.160 you know I believed you, but I didn't. I was 0:02:59.200 --> 0:03:02.079 still ignorant. I'm still way ignorant. I was even more 0:03:02.120 --> 0:03:06.799 ignorant then about cryptocurrencies. And I said, I bet you 0:03:06.840 --> 0:03:10.480 can't get it back. I don't know why I said that. Yeah, 0:03:10.600 --> 0:03:15.760 and I you know that my favorite quote, tell me, honey, um, 0:03:15.840 --> 0:03:20.680 the skeptical skepticism is the chastity of the intellect. So 0:03:20.720 --> 0:03:25.239 I was skeptical and the chest was raking all this money, 0:03:25.240 --> 0:03:27.560 and I was super jealous, and I said, I want 0:03:27.560 --> 0:03:30.079 to see that money bounce back into your bank account. 0:03:30.440 --> 0:03:33.320 And then what happened. I took it out and it 0:03:33.400 --> 0:03:35.800 went in my bank account. And while it was sitting 0:03:36.960 --> 0:03:38.600 I think I lost ten blocks on the bat two, 0:03:38.640 --> 0:03:40.320 didn't I? Yeah, you said, you give me ten bucks 0:03:40.360 --> 0:03:43.160 to put it back and see if I got it right, Um, 0:03:43.240 --> 0:03:46.400 while I was sitting in my bank account, I definitely 0:03:46.440 --> 0:03:49.880 lost some money by sitting dormant, by sitting even though 0:03:49.880 --> 0:03:53.520 they give you like point o interest on that stuff. Yeah, 0:03:54.320 --> 0:03:58.080 but I got it back in there, and uh, I 0:03:58.120 --> 0:04:01.320 want me to bitcoin right now? Is in a pretty 0:04:01.400 --> 0:04:03.600 new stage. Would you rather get You can do it 0:04:03.640 --> 0:04:05.720 one of two ways. I give you twenty and you 0:04:05.760 --> 0:04:09.680 owe me ten. I give you seven and I owe 0:04:09.720 --> 0:04:14.920 you three. Give me seven. Then when I get that 0:04:14.960 --> 0:04:17.920 Walleye boat, you just pay for gas. Okay. So so 0:04:18.240 --> 0:04:19.960 you took it out in order to prove that it 0:04:20.040 --> 0:04:22.159 wasn't that you hadn't. I thought you got scammed on 0:04:22.160 --> 0:04:28.279 a weird website. No, I thought. I was like, oh, 0:04:28.520 --> 0:04:30.880 we just heard of a guy selling AMMO. He said, up, 0:04:30.880 --> 0:04:33.440 you know, no one can find AMMO. We heard from 0:04:33.440 --> 0:04:36.400 an individual about him going to some website and this 0:04:36.480 --> 0:04:38.280 wasn't the name of the website. But the website is 0:04:38.320 --> 0:04:41.200 like bullets are us, you know, and lo and behold 0:04:41.279 --> 0:04:43.200 he has all the ammal that no one can find. 0:04:43.360 --> 0:04:46.240 So he plays a big order and his credit card 0:04:46.240 --> 0:04:48.880 gets processed and no m O shows up. M hmm, 0:04:50.200 --> 0:04:52.160 I gotta look out for that cast. So I thought 0:04:52.200 --> 0:04:57.359 you fell prey to that by this Walleye boat scam. No, no, 0:04:57.520 --> 0:05:00.479 I did not. I just listen to my mother, who 0:05:00.640 --> 0:05:05.760 is very smart, smarter than me, and uh, he said, 0:05:05.800 --> 0:05:11.359 you should start dabbling in bitcoin. And uh he said 0:05:11.480 --> 0:05:14.120 if you put some money into it, that you can 0:05:14.120 --> 0:05:17.520 still feel comfortable. You can still sleep if you lose it. 0:05:17.640 --> 0:05:21.520 You know, your wife gets when you sleep when I 0:05:21.560 --> 0:05:26.120 have COVID, and I slept too much. Yes, that is true. Um, 0:05:26.160 --> 0:05:30.360 but so I'm dabbling in it, and uh, every day, Steve, 0:05:30.400 --> 0:05:33.240 it's getting a little bit closer to that Walleye boat. 0:05:33.720 --> 0:05:35.640 So now at this point, but then you went and 0:05:35.680 --> 0:05:37.320 put more money in. I don't want to get too 0:05:37.360 --> 0:05:39.640 deep into your personal finances, but you're in deep now. 0:05:39.720 --> 0:05:42.800 I had some cash sitting in a drawer and uh 0:05:43.000 --> 0:05:50.320 literally yea, and I took it out of there and 0:05:50.360 --> 0:05:53.719 I put that in bitcoin. And I've been just slowly 0:05:53.760 --> 0:05:55.920 putting you know, a hunter bucks in here and there, 0:05:56.200 --> 0:05:59.760 and uh, Bitcoin right now is pretty level. I think 0:06:00.480 --> 0:06:02.240 a lot of people are new to it. So people 0:06:02.279 --> 0:06:05.279 are getting in bitcoin, they're making some quick cash and 0:06:05.320 --> 0:06:08.760 they're selling. But just as of recent a lot of 0:06:08.800 --> 0:06:12.920 people have been putting it into cold storage. Big companies 0:06:13.360 --> 0:06:17.799 like even like Fortune companies are starting to dabble in bitcoin. 0:06:18.240 --> 0:06:22.640 Tesla bought one point five billion and they make they 0:06:22.680 --> 0:06:27.359 make like another one point five billion off of that already. Well, 0:06:27.360 --> 0:06:30.520 he turned around and then he turned around. Elon Musk 0:06:30.640 --> 0:06:33.960 turned around and suggested that it does seem a little high, 0:06:34.120 --> 0:06:37.400 so that kind of sabotaged his own deal apparently, and 0:06:37.480 --> 0:06:40.960 said that the decision to do that, I think he said, 0:06:41.000 --> 0:06:44.120 the decision to do that wasn't really reflective of his 0:06:45.560 --> 0:06:49.560 u He said something to the effect of um to 0:06:49.680 --> 0:06:53.760 suggest that it was other other individuals were pushing for 0:06:53.839 --> 0:06:57.240 that move more aggressively than he was. Got Yeah, I 0:06:57.240 --> 0:06:59.960 had heard like he like they make I think last 0:07:00.000 --> 0:07:03.880 really made like seven million off of car sales. And 0:07:03.960 --> 0:07:06.279 it just in the short time that he's had that 0:07:06.279 --> 0:07:08.719 that money in bitcoin, he's made over a billion dollars. 0:07:09.840 --> 0:07:12.040 It's kind of scary, dude, man, imagine how many freaking 0:07:12.040 --> 0:07:15.240 Walleye boats that is. It's a lot. Someone should divide 0:07:15.240 --> 0:07:19.560 that out. What's the walleye boat cost? I mean, what boat? 0:07:19.600 --> 0:07:28.200 You want your own? Walleye lake? Yeah, yeah, I am 0:07:28.280 --> 0:07:31.400 trying to get like a nice simple eighteen foot land 0:07:31.600 --> 0:07:33.280 with the motor on it, and that's all I need. 0:07:33.440 --> 0:07:36.480 So then you're gonna quit your investment. That would be 0:07:36.520 --> 0:07:40.440 hard to do. I think I'm crazy for wanting to 0:07:40.480 --> 0:07:42.880 buy a Walleye boat off of it. So when the 0:07:42.960 --> 0:07:47.040 time comes, I'll consult with different people and go from there. 0:07:47.120 --> 0:07:49.200 Will I be included on who you consult with? I 0:07:49.200 --> 0:07:51.520 think you should include me too. All right, Well that's 0:07:51.520 --> 0:07:55.040 his bottle wallet boat. You know I need. I need 0:07:55.080 --> 0:07:57.720 a Walleye boat. Partner, he did the old fashioned way. 0:07:57.720 --> 0:07:59.920 He just went down and bought them boat. Yeah, that's true. 0:08:00.000 --> 0:08:04.800 You didn't get tangled up crypto occurrencies, al right, Chester, 0:08:04.880 --> 0:08:06.200 You can go back to whatever you're doing. All right? 0:08:06.280 --> 0:08:10.080 Oh well, I'm sorry. How much more it might blow 0:08:10.160 --> 0:08:13.239 up so much that you can just peel off, peel 0:08:13.280 --> 0:08:17.760 off what you need. I've only made like a little 0:08:17.800 --> 0:08:22.960 over a thousand bucks is all um total, But it's 0:08:23.400 --> 0:08:26.240 we haven't made it yet. Well, I haven't put it 0:08:26.280 --> 0:08:28.160 in my bank account. But because you could wake up 0:08:28.160 --> 0:08:31.120 and it could be gone. It could. But it's just 0:08:31.160 --> 0:08:33.480 going up and down right now. And I'm trying not 0:08:33.520 --> 0:08:35.880 to like look at it very much because I know 0:08:36.000 --> 0:08:37.920 in the long run. I think I think it's going 0:08:37.960 --> 0:08:40.760 to pay off. And I'm dabbling. I'm not like invested, 0:08:41.040 --> 0:08:45.160 just just a dabbler. A thank you, Chester. You bet 0:08:45.280 --> 0:08:49.920 you should go visit that crypto mine in Butte, Montana. 0:08:51.800 --> 0:08:53.520 You know why, Bill, that's what you know. Bill Gates 0:08:53.559 --> 0:08:55.520 is down on it because of the amount of electricity 0:08:55.559 --> 0:08:59.560 it takes to do the computations, and the fact that 0:08:59.640 --> 0:09:07.679 he's not into these anonymous, uh, these anonymous, untraceable, unretractable, 0:09:09.120 --> 0:09:13.959 terrorist style exchanges of money. Yeah. I agree, that's kind 0:09:13.960 --> 0:09:20.360 of sketchy, but I'm just trying to buy a Walleye boat. Yeah, Steve, 0:09:20.440 --> 0:09:23.520 it isn't isn't your mantra, don't hate the player, hate 0:09:23.520 --> 0:09:27.360 the game. That's correct, Okay, I think that applies here. 0:09:27.760 --> 0:09:29.720 I stold that from Clay. I'm not that Clay Nucam 0:09:29.760 --> 0:09:31.240 made it up. I stole it from him when he 0:09:31.280 --> 0:09:34.679 revealed to me that he's getting the He was lined 0:09:34.760 --> 0:09:39.640 up to get the vaccination in Arkansas on what I 0:09:39.679 --> 0:09:45.559 felt was pretty dubious grounds, which it didn't work out 0:09:45.559 --> 0:09:47.199 for him in the end anyways. But he was getting 0:09:47.240 --> 0:09:49.840 it as a public you know, as a basketball coach 0:09:49.880 --> 0:09:54.800 for a schools. It's what he's getting it now. He well, 0:09:54.800 --> 0:09:56.200 he was supposed to get it quite a while ago 0:09:57.040 --> 0:10:02.400 and it initially fell through. All right, uh Yanni, do 0:10:02.440 --> 0:10:09.559 your correction corrections? Wow, wow back. I don't know what 0:10:09.840 --> 0:10:14.400 episode it was, but we read an email from a 0:10:14.480 --> 0:10:17.520 fella that had had found a new use for the 0:10:17.679 --> 0:10:24.480 su Vi kitchen appliance. Why why is that funny? Because 0:10:25.200 --> 0:10:28.200 it didn't even occur to me until you brought it up, 0:10:28.280 --> 0:10:31.439 Like how I thought it was genius? But then when 0:10:31.440 --> 0:10:33.840 he brought it up to be courtly like, how not 0:10:34.000 --> 0:10:36.960 a good idea it is? Oh yeah, no, yeah, I 0:10:36.960 --> 0:10:39.480 think all of us in the room are guilty because 0:10:40.120 --> 0:10:43.320 I was like, that's genius. Nobody called it out. Everybody's like, oh, yeah, 0:10:43.559 --> 0:10:46.800 a great idea, Like, you know, next time the kids 0:10:46.800 --> 0:10:49.160 have a cold pool, I'm gonna just drop my Subervie 0:10:49.160 --> 0:10:53.000 machine in there. This fella had a had a birthing 0:10:53.080 --> 0:10:57.840 pool set up in his house and um just was 0:10:57.880 --> 0:11:00.480 struggling with keeping it warm, and he had by idea 0:11:00.520 --> 0:11:04.320 to stick of Suvie wand in there and and it 0:11:04.440 --> 0:11:09.280 kept the water nice. My father heard there's a building inspector. Yeah, 0:11:09.280 --> 0:11:13.160 who heard this? So he's up on safety, and he said, 0:11:13.200 --> 0:11:15.840 there's a lot of reasons, a lot of failures that 0:11:15.880 --> 0:11:18.600 could happen that you don't plug stuff in and stick 0:11:18.679 --> 0:11:21.840 it in the tub with you exactly. And he said, 0:11:22.960 --> 0:11:28.080 is that appliance meant for that application? And thus we 0:11:28.120 --> 0:11:31.800 should not talk about it or promote it. Da dada dada. 0:11:31.880 --> 0:11:35.080 So there you go. Don't use a suvie wand to 0:11:35.160 --> 0:11:40.360 warm up your bathtub water or um a clothes iron 0:11:41.160 --> 0:11:45.120 m that would not work either. Don't drop plugged in 0:11:45.240 --> 0:11:48.679 stuff into your tub with you. I I And when 0:11:48.720 --> 0:11:53.160 Yad he brought this up, I initially was um, I 0:11:53.280 --> 0:11:56.480 was I rolling. I was I rolling about the need 0:11:56.559 --> 0:11:58.240 to clarify because I don't know how it really goes, 0:11:58.280 --> 0:12:01.920 Like can you imagine let me let's just say, heaven forbid, right, 0:12:03.800 --> 0:12:06.720 what winds up happening? Where does the judge wind up 0:12:06.720 --> 0:12:10.920 being helmet? So you're saying that this that you listen 0:12:11.000 --> 0:12:14.360 to like some knuckleheads on a podcast who are not 0:12:14.480 --> 0:12:20.840 like baby experts or bath experts or electricians, and it's 0:12:20.880 --> 0:12:24.199 called like like the slogan is like hunt fish listen, 0:12:24.679 --> 0:12:28.080 but you took birthing advice from them, and now you 0:12:28.120 --> 0:12:35.280 want to hold them liable. Dismissed, Yeah, where would he be, like, 0:12:35.440 --> 0:12:40.880 by God, the buck stops here. An example that will 0:12:40.920 --> 0:12:46.000 be held accountable for this transgression anyway, pointed out you 0:12:46.040 --> 0:12:47.960 really wanted to go that far. Yeah, you just have 0:12:48.040 --> 0:12:51.360 to worry about your own conscience. That's what Yanni brought up. 0:12:51.840 --> 0:12:56.559 He doesn't want it on his He doesn't want on him. Yeah, 0:12:57.200 --> 0:13:02.600 well it's off, you know, Yanni? Uh oh Kuran? Real quick? 0:13:03.720 --> 0:13:06.960 What was the general um? Speaking of feedback, we got 0:13:07.000 --> 0:13:10.920 another feedback thing here after the renewable what was that 0:13:11.000 --> 0:13:15.160 episode called There's no free Lunch with with renewable Energy? 0:13:15.840 --> 0:13:18.679 You said, there's a lot of people writing in. Was 0:13:18.720 --> 0:13:24.600 it um generally? Was it all over the place? There 0:13:24.640 --> 0:13:29.920 was there like a was there like a consensus um? 0:13:29.960 --> 0:13:32.480 There were it was kind of all over the place. 0:13:32.800 --> 0:13:39.520 He was at Corey. Corey forwarded me Cory's are all right? 0:13:40.480 --> 0:13:46.120 Community manager? He forwarded me kind of the most I 0:13:46.160 --> 0:13:50.280 don't know, salient of both sides, And it was a 0:13:50.320 --> 0:13:52.280 bit all over the place. Yeah, there were there were 0:13:52.320 --> 0:13:55.079 folks who We're really glad that we were just even 0:13:55.160 --> 0:13:58.800 engaging the topic to begin with. There are folks who 0:13:59.480 --> 0:14:03.360 just kind of railed on us not asking hard enough, 0:14:03.880 --> 0:14:08.200 you know, pressing enough questions, or folks disagreeing with Nell's, 0:14:08.880 --> 0:14:12.920 folks spouting off, folks thinking I mean it was it 0:14:13.080 --> 0:14:15.520 just kind of ran the gamut. But there was a 0:14:15.559 --> 0:14:18.040 lot of response to that, so it it hit, it 0:14:18.160 --> 0:14:23.440 hit somewhere they paid attention. Yeah, I think we can, 0:14:23.480 --> 0:14:25.960 you know, come back to it. At some point. They 0:14:25.960 --> 0:14:28.040 weren't being mean to the guess right. I thought the 0:14:28.080 --> 0:14:29.920 guests brought it. I thought he did a great job. 0:14:30.040 --> 0:14:32.280 I don't think he was pushing. He was not trying 0:14:32.280 --> 0:14:35.760 to remember I brought the obfuse. I'm not finishing any 0:14:35.760 --> 0:14:40.000 of my sentences right now, but asking tough questions. I 0:14:40.040 --> 0:14:42.160 think we asked the toughest of all question even to 0:14:42.160 --> 0:14:44.880 ask the question like do you feel that the renewable 0:14:45.120 --> 0:14:49.880 energy industry as it is obfew skates some of the 0:14:49.920 --> 0:14:53.920 realities about what this would really take. That's like that's 0:14:53.960 --> 0:14:57.200 like watching sixty minutes, dude. Yeah, And I mean I 0:14:57.240 --> 0:15:00.640 should get like a like a a eyes for that. 0:15:01.840 --> 0:15:07.560 I think I think his his kind of refrain and 0:15:07.800 --> 0:15:09.800 why that was the name of the podcast is that 0:15:09.840 --> 0:15:14.000 it's true, like he's it's just there's no there. There's 0:15:14.040 --> 0:15:16.520 always going to be a compromise. They're going to be 0:15:16.600 --> 0:15:19.680 a lot of things that are shitty if we as 0:15:19.680 --> 0:15:23.480 a society continue to live the way that we do. 0:15:24.240 --> 0:15:26.760 You know, like you guys are listening to this podcast 0:15:26.880 --> 0:15:30.480 right now on your phone or on your computer, and 0:15:30.520 --> 0:15:33.600 that's battery and that's like it's I mean, it's the 0:15:33.640 --> 0:15:36.160 way that we are living right now. So if we're 0:15:36.160 --> 0:15:40.600 going to not make those changes, we you know, we 0:15:40.720 --> 0:15:43.400 got to do something. So Ela must thinks we're gonna 0:15:43.440 --> 0:15:45.480 to go and populate other planets if we want to 0:15:45.520 --> 0:15:49.080 keep this human race going. It's kind of I don't 0:15:49.080 --> 0:15:50.640 even care about the human race as long as we 0:15:50.680 --> 0:15:53.560 all blink out at the same time. I just don't 0:15:53.600 --> 0:15:55.240 want to have to go on then everybody else gets 0:15:55.240 --> 0:15:58.880 a stick around. I don't think it's gonna happen in 0:15:58.920 --> 0:16:02.240 our life times, but I guess some bad fomo if 0:16:02.280 --> 0:16:03.880 that happened. Man, if I knew it was just gonna 0:16:03.920 --> 0:16:10.119 be like remember that movie um Melancholia with that asteroid 0:16:10.760 --> 0:16:12.880 They like, you watch half the movie and you don't 0:16:12.880 --> 0:16:14.880 know what's gonna happen. You know that everybody's acting like 0:16:14.960 --> 0:16:18.720 extremely weird and it eventually realized that they know at 0:16:18.760 --> 0:16:21.040 some specific second the Earth will be destroyed by an 0:16:21.040 --> 0:16:24.880 asteroid and everybody gets to go at the exact same moment. 0:16:25.200 --> 0:16:30.200 That's the way to do it. UM scrap metal. The 0:16:30.280 --> 0:16:32.160 guy wrote in how they're making it way harder for 0:16:32.320 --> 0:16:34.920 like drug addicts and derrelics to turn in scrap metal. 0:16:35.560 --> 0:16:40.640 It's hard on crackheads now. So when you go in 0:16:40.680 --> 0:16:44.280 now to a scrappyard, you gotta provide an address. They 0:16:44.280 --> 0:16:47.080 don't pay cash for and weirdly they don't pay cash 0:16:47.120 --> 0:16:51.600 for anything but steal. It cuts down a construction theft 0:16:51.600 --> 0:16:54.400 because you've got a place to send the check coreas 0:16:54.440 --> 0:16:59.120 you to have an address. The eliminating I think it's 0:16:59.320 --> 0:17:02.960 I think it's prey judicial, but eliminating vagrants who might 0:17:03.000 --> 0:17:06.680 just be wanting to make some drug stealing. And he 0:17:06.720 --> 0:17:09.720 says that a lot of scrapyards have repeat customers. And 0:17:09.760 --> 0:17:13.800 he once watched, he's from a scrapyard, he watched a 0:17:13.840 --> 0:17:17.000 minivan come rolling in with a thirty six inch diameter 0:17:17.080 --> 0:17:21.600 piece of cast iron sewage pipe stamp city property. He 0:17:21.720 --> 0:17:24.679 said that the um the cops were there before they 0:17:24.680 --> 0:17:29.720 could even unload it. Scrap is high right now, three 0:17:29.760 --> 0:17:33.159 bucks a pound from number one copper steel is a 0:17:33.240 --> 0:17:37.240 hundred fifty a ton for low grade. He was this 0:17:37.280 --> 0:17:39.760 guy that wrote in was getting big into scrap himself, 0:17:39.760 --> 0:17:41.479 but his mom doesn't like him leaving it all over 0:17:41.520 --> 0:17:43.040 the yards. He's got to get his own place and 0:17:43.040 --> 0:17:48.800 he'll get back into the business. The super cold weather 0:17:48.840 --> 0:17:53.600 in Texas killed tons of stuff, tons of animals, All 0:17:53.600 --> 0:18:00.880 those exotics that are from like Africa, Asia wiped him out. 0:18:00.920 --> 0:18:04.320 In fact, if you watched the episode we did on 0:18:04.320 --> 0:18:06.160 on Netflix, we have an episode where we go Neil 0:18:06.160 --> 0:18:10.600 guy hunting. I go with Jesse Griffith's and we're on 0:18:10.680 --> 0:18:13.919 a on a big ranch. We're hunting with a guy. 0:18:14.000 --> 0:18:15.760 Wasn't you remember that guy's name that went out with 0:18:15.840 --> 0:18:19.919 us to accompany us help us out. It was with 0:18:20.040 --> 0:18:27.320 an A. I believe Amando Mondo. Amando, Yeah, but I 0:18:27.320 --> 0:18:32.240 think they called him Mondo for short. Well there to Armando, 0:18:32.440 --> 0:18:37.080 but Mondo called him that ranch. I was talking to 0:18:37.119 --> 0:18:41.080 the guy there um the family that owns it. So 0:18:41.200 --> 0:18:44.800 far they found this is days ago. So far they 0:18:44.880 --> 0:18:47.840 just randomly accounted up eighty six dead nil guy that 0:18:47.920 --> 0:18:53.800 throws a death and weirdly some of them, Uh, kind 0:18:53.800 --> 0:18:55.960 of came up and like died against a house on 0:18:56.000 --> 0:18:59.000 the tile like that. There's like some solar radiant heat 0:18:59.080 --> 0:19:01.960 or something coming off that thing. How they found it? 0:19:02.000 --> 0:19:05.920 I have no idea, Like why they would what about 0:19:05.960 --> 0:19:09.800 the orcs and stuff? Some dead ones, but they can 0:19:09.800 --> 0:19:12.000 handle it better. It's just far fewer. And he said 0:19:12.040 --> 0:19:14.000 he hasn't done like an exhaustive survey. It's just that 0:19:14.119 --> 0:19:19.320 just laying all over place. God, it's crazy. Yeah. This 0:19:19.440 --> 0:19:21.960 article here points out that they've died on both high 0:19:22.040 --> 0:19:24.440 and low fence, which makes sense because like why does 0:19:24.840 --> 0:19:28.040 you know? And this what'sn't this picture of all these 0:19:28.040 --> 0:19:34.720 dead creators they got? What kind of animal? Look? That's 0:19:34.720 --> 0:19:40.200 what another body mind? Um? I was telling me. Yeah, 0:19:40.200 --> 0:19:43.560 he said his body's place. All I believe he used 0:19:43.560 --> 0:19:47.920 the word all the axes dear? Is that right? Geez? 0:19:48.359 --> 0:19:51.440 That's the place that wit knows about. I don't know about. 0:19:51.480 --> 0:19:54.680 Oh no, I was I was talking about Matt. Yeah, yeah, 0:19:54.680 --> 0:20:01.560 the same place all the axes deer died. Yeah, there's 0:20:01.560 --> 0:20:04.160 a zoo down there. They had to bring the flamingos inside. 0:20:05.040 --> 0:20:14.640 That was interesting. They're like inside a restaurant. Um. Yeah, crazy, 0:20:19.280 --> 0:20:21.560 you gotta wonder, like what you do with all that 0:20:21.680 --> 0:20:23.680 rot who was pointing out that they wanted to go 0:20:23.720 --> 0:20:28.600 down and get all the backstraps. Yeah, I know we're 0:20:28.640 --> 0:20:32.760 saying that, just go down. If you woke up one 0:20:32.800 --> 0:20:36.840 day and there's eighty six dead Neil Guy, man, what's 0:20:36.840 --> 0:20:42.480 that times two D seventy two freaking backstraps you'd have 0:20:42.520 --> 0:20:44.200 if you went out and got them all. Yeah that 0:20:45.119 --> 0:20:48.639 imagine a full freezer with nothing but Neil Guy backstraps. 0:20:50.080 --> 0:20:53.359 But what's that? What's that gonna do to the industry 0:20:53.400 --> 0:20:57.480 down there? I mean it's gotta be I mean in 0:20:57.960 --> 0:21:02.520 terms of whatever industry there is is around, in terms 0:21:02.560 --> 0:21:06.919 of whatever industry there is around. Uh, those hunts, I 0:21:06.920 --> 0:21:10.040 mean it's got a kick its teeth in. You know 0:21:10.160 --> 0:21:13.480 Jesse Griffith's restaurant, and um, he sells a lot of 0:21:13.480 --> 0:21:15.720 this stuff. So imagine that's going to complicate his world. 0:21:16.000 --> 0:21:17.520 And then he only boy I don't know what he's 0:21:17.560 --> 0:21:20.240 doing right now, but he only buys produced from Texas. 0:21:21.119 --> 0:21:24.760 Stuff's all frozen, man. Yeah. And then all those people 0:21:24.760 --> 0:21:27.720 without like acts that like their fridges and can't cook. 0:21:28.320 --> 0:21:31.879 He was running. He turned his he turned um, his 0:21:32.040 --> 0:21:34.600 restaurant basically into like he had like a social media 0:21:34.680 --> 0:21:37.200 feed going about what they have, what key people can 0:21:37.240 --> 0:21:39.360 come get, what they have in, what they're out of, 0:21:40.480 --> 0:21:44.439 just trying to like feed people and use up stuff. 0:21:44.440 --> 0:21:46.359 So it was almost like this like ticker tape of 0:21:46.440 --> 0:21:49.320 information about what you can come down and get and 0:21:49.320 --> 0:21:56.000 who's got what? Guy, were vulnerable animals? Aren't we as 0:21:56.040 --> 0:22:03.040 bad as you? Guy? This is the weirdest thing. A 0:22:03.119 --> 0:22:09.840 guy rode in. Cal who's not here right now is 0:22:10.200 --> 0:22:14.160 the singer from ram Jam. If you go to YouTube 0:22:14.160 --> 0:22:16.440 and look up the Black Betty, remember that song whoa 0:22:16.680 --> 0:22:20.080 Black Betty? Have you ever read the lyrics of that song? No, 0:22:21.080 --> 0:22:24.240 my god, does that guy look like Cal? Someone wrote 0:22:24.280 --> 0:22:26.200 in pointing out the bass player. Look, but he's wrong. 0:22:26.240 --> 0:22:35.080 It's a singer, is Cal? I don't. I don't see it, dude, 0:22:35.240 --> 0:22:38.240 it's break and cal Man. Do you see it? Said 0:22:39.320 --> 0:22:48.520 it's Cal. There's a screenshot that's not That's not the 0:22:48.600 --> 0:22:54.320 right guy. God is it? The basis could tell I, 0:22:57.600 --> 0:23:01.720 Oh so it is the base guy. Oh my I 0:23:02.560 --> 0:23:03.800 I was looking at that trying to figure out what 0:23:03.840 --> 0:23:07.280 he was playing. It's kind of like a mix between 0:23:07.359 --> 0:23:12.200 Cal and uh Corey, Brittany's husband. Oh yeah, okay, yeah, 0:23:12.200 --> 0:23:15.439 that is a base And I'm bad at music, man, 0:23:15.440 --> 0:23:18.480 I can't tell an instrument. I'm looking at um looks 0:23:18.480 --> 0:23:20.200 just like them. But that song is a weird song. 0:23:23.240 --> 0:23:30.240 It's a dead ringer. Everyone go to a minute or 0:23:30.520 --> 0:23:35.000 second on the ram jam Black Betty. The song is 0:23:35.040 --> 0:23:38.760 weird because he's talking about a woman named black Betty. Okay, 0:23:39.160 --> 0:23:41.560 and he likes her lot and really does she really 0:23:41.560 --> 0:23:43.679 does it for him. But since she has a child 0:23:44.000 --> 0:23:48.480 who goes blind, I thought it was goes wild and 0:23:48.640 --> 0:23:54.600 blind and blind. Dude, it's a horrible song, but it 0:23:54.760 --> 0:23:59.200 is cal big hit. This is a good one. Dude 0:23:59.280 --> 0:24:03.280 rowing in about Uh. He's a tree surgeon. He wrote 0:24:03.280 --> 0:24:04.800 the six He knew I used to be a tree surgeon, 0:24:04.840 --> 0:24:06.920 so he thought it appealed to me. But a guy, 0:24:07.320 --> 0:24:09.320 a fellow tree surgeon, guy had a nipple ring. And 0:24:09.320 --> 0:24:11.240 the guy slid down a tree a little bit one time, 0:24:11.280 --> 0:24:13.520 and a bark and a chunk of bart grabbed that 0:24:13.600 --> 0:24:20.159 nipple ring tore his nipple right off. Another guy wrote it, 0:24:20.200 --> 0:24:21.520 I don't know if this is true or not. I 0:24:21.560 --> 0:24:23.639 have a hard time with this. We're talking a long 0:24:23.760 --> 0:24:27.080 time ago about how you can sell Like I know 0:24:27.160 --> 0:24:33.000 for a fact that Buck Bowden sold a well how 0:24:33.040 --> 0:24:35.920 big was that moose? It's like a seventies some inch moose. 0:24:36.400 --> 0:24:40.280 Giant sold it for it like tens of thousands of 0:24:40.320 --> 0:24:46.280 dollars to a to Cabella's for their collection, and he 0:24:46.320 --> 0:24:49.400 even knows where it sits now. He would he would 0:24:49.440 --> 0:24:52.639 carry this big giant moose head around the rack he 0:24:52.720 --> 0:24:54.520 carried around he's at a show. So if you go 0:24:54.560 --> 0:24:56.440 to a show, like what's that thing in Harrisburg called 0:24:56.480 --> 0:25:00.679 the famous one? Yeah, that's where I met Buck Bolten. 0:25:01.080 --> 0:25:04.800 So there's these sporting like these outdoor shows, right, and 0:25:05.280 --> 0:25:07.000 outfitters will have boots and they always have like a 0:25:07.000 --> 0:25:09.320 little photo album. A lot of them have like all 0:25:09.400 --> 0:25:11.399 kinds of taxes during the mouse Like you go to box, 0:25:11.560 --> 0:25:14.240 just Bucks sitting there at a folding on a folding 0:25:14.320 --> 0:25:18.320 chair with a photo album laid in front of him 0:25:18.320 --> 0:25:22.359 like nothing like just doesn't like not a marketer, not 0:25:22.480 --> 0:25:25.080 a marketer. And so I was, I asked, I feel 0:25:25.080 --> 0:25:26.320 like talking to that guy. So I went and talk 0:25:26.320 --> 0:25:27.919 to him a long time. He said he used to 0:25:28.000 --> 0:25:30.000 have this big moose he'd carry around. But he brought 0:25:30.080 --> 0:25:33.600 it to Harrisburg and some guys came up and asked 0:25:33.640 --> 0:25:35.919 a bunch of questions about it. They left, and another 0:25:35.960 --> 0:25:39.880 guy came up and made the purchase because they wanted 0:25:39.920 --> 0:25:41.320 to put it in a sporting get store. Is in 0:25:41.400 --> 0:25:44.680 the Harrisburg. I don't know he could tell where it is. 0:25:44.680 --> 0:25:46.480 I can't remember where. He said it wound up best 0:25:46.480 --> 0:25:48.840 parlor whatever is there. This guy is saying he found 0:25:48.840 --> 0:25:54.959 a porcupine albino. He says Cabell has offered him seventy 0:25:54.960 --> 0:25:57.119 grand and his grandpa. What the hell was it? His 0:25:57.240 --> 0:26:02.680 dad says his dad turned it down. Oh that's where 0:26:02.680 --> 0:26:08.240 I get incredulous. He says he monitored it on a 0:26:08.280 --> 0:26:13.640 pile of sticks and pine cones instead. Yeah, I mean, 0:26:13.720 --> 0:26:15.879 I feel like his dash would call in just so 0:26:15.960 --> 0:26:21.240 I could say, really, seventy k huh, let's see, I 0:26:21.240 --> 0:26:24.359 want to see a picture of this uh albino. I'm 0:26:24.400 --> 0:26:27.280 sure if he's listening, sure you'll send it in. If 0:26:27.280 --> 0:26:29.760 he writes in, maybe his PAPPI will talk to us 0:26:29.760 --> 0:26:32.919 on the phone. We can grill him. We can grill him. 0:26:33.320 --> 0:26:38.720 I'm actually looking at pictures of albino. Maybe there's a 0:26:38.760 --> 0:26:41.879 story that goes along with it. That's worth seventy dollars. 0:26:42.000 --> 0:26:47.520 I don't know. Well, maybe it's Elon musk No, but 0:26:47.560 --> 0:26:52.320 he's saying that it's his retirement plan. There's Chester's Walleye 0:26:52.320 --> 0:26:59.320 boat get like a freaking full electronics package and everything. Man, 0:26:59.760 --> 0:27:05.560 you probably put two engines on that soccer. Uh, this show. 0:27:05.600 --> 0:27:07.520 I gotta report this because this makes us look good. 0:27:08.040 --> 0:27:10.119 This show solved the mystery. Not only we saved a 0:27:10.160 --> 0:27:15.960 ton of lives by through well too, through not us, 0:27:16.160 --> 0:27:19.520 dr Adam Lazare has saved two lives so far. About tourniquets. 0:27:19.560 --> 0:27:23.560 This guy was up along the Muscle Shell River in 0:27:23.600 --> 0:27:26.720 Montana and finds like it had burned. There was a 0:27:26.800 --> 0:27:31.439 there's a prairie fire, and the prairie fire had stripped 0:27:31.480 --> 0:27:35.800 away all the grass and sage and whatnot from this 0:27:35.880 --> 0:27:40.280 little patch. And lo and behold, there sits a little tombstone. 0:27:42.280 --> 0:27:45.600 No explanation about the tombstone. He was super curious about 0:27:45.600 --> 0:27:50.760 and took a picture of the tombstone. Then he even 0:27:50.840 --> 0:27:55.000 called the Office of the Land and the Administration, the 0:27:55.000 --> 0:27:59.679 Administrative Office of the Land Management Agency. They didn't know. 0:28:00.720 --> 0:28:03.120 Then we got talking about my new favorite book life 0:28:03.160 --> 0:28:06.960 and death at the mouth of the muscle shell. He 0:28:07.040 --> 0:28:10.080 goes and gets the book, reads it and finds a 0:28:10.280 --> 0:28:14.520 very thorough explanation of what happened to this dude. But 0:28:14.680 --> 0:28:18.440 that was unsolved for fifteen years. This is fifteen years ago. 0:28:18.520 --> 0:28:20.919 That keeping them up at night, keeping them up at 0:28:21.040 --> 0:28:24.679 night for fifteen years. Who wants to sum up what 0:28:24.720 --> 0:28:29.040 happened to the guy? The guy's body in that book. 0:28:29.720 --> 0:28:34.040 The amount of people shooting each other fiddling with guns, 0:28:34.520 --> 0:28:38.880 it's oh, all the time. Yeah, it must be three 0:28:39.000 --> 0:28:41.120 or four times there's someone's fiddling around the gun and 0:28:41.160 --> 0:28:45.520 like shoots himself or shoots his body or whatever. Yeah, 0:28:45.520 --> 0:28:50.520 well we didn't have hunters safety courses. Yeah. So this 0:28:50.680 --> 0:28:58.280 fella whose name was Constant Cassneil Cassnell. It's spelled q 0:28:58.520 --> 0:29:06.440 u E s n E l L. I don't know. 0:29:07.520 --> 0:29:12.520 This guy was five six, Yeah, it's it's one of 0:29:12.520 --> 0:29:15.520 the interesting things about Constant is that he was he 0:29:15.640 --> 0:29:20.320 was a short fellow. Uh, he was a tinsmith from 0:29:20.320 --> 0:29:26.760 Montreal and had listed enlisted in in Boston. But anyway, 0:29:26.760 --> 0:29:30.920 it sounds like they there was a raid. Some sue 0:29:32.120 --> 0:29:36.800 raided their stock and had their stock run around everywhere 0:29:36.960 --> 0:29:40.480 and this fellow and another fellow went where must have 0:29:40.520 --> 0:29:43.440 been right there. I don't know if they were shepherding 0:29:43.440 --> 0:29:46.040 the stock or what um, but somehow they were part 0:29:46.080 --> 0:29:51.440 of this being rated upon. And uh they found his 0:29:51.520 --> 0:29:54.040 body with a whole bunch of arrows sticking in it 0:29:54.360 --> 0:29:57.560 back and arm, and it looked as though, if I 0:29:57.560 --> 0:30:03.080 don't really know how he's extrapolating this information from what 0:30:03.120 --> 0:30:06.560 he could see, but he's saying that some of the 0:30:06.720 --> 0:30:11.360 arrows in the hands and uh, we're evidently shot while 0:30:11.400 --> 0:30:14.640 he had his gun to his face in the act 0:30:14.760 --> 0:30:17.840 of firing at them, disabling him so he cannot use 0:30:17.920 --> 0:30:21.080 his gun a breech loader, causing him to turn and run. 0:30:21.200 --> 0:30:26.000 He's like just and so they're saying that, like, ye, 0:30:26.600 --> 0:30:29.200 the angle of the arrow was as though he was 0:30:29.240 --> 0:30:33.360 holding a rifle, aiming and shooting. I think that's what 0:30:33.400 --> 0:30:38.160 he's suggesting. Well, he might not be keen to is 0:30:38.280 --> 0:30:45.560 the um elaborate ways in which bodies would be sort 0:30:45.600 --> 0:30:51.480 of mutilated in symbolic ways and like things done to 0:30:51.560 --> 0:30:56.880 bodies to like send messages or to impact one's experience 0:30:56.880 --> 0:31:00.880 in the afterlife. So who knows. I also just feel 0:31:00.960 --> 0:31:03.280 that like sure they might have hit him as he 0:31:03.400 --> 0:31:08.520 was in the motion of shooting that rifle. But to 0:31:08.600 --> 0:31:11.760 say that someone's like taking a stick bow, I don't 0:31:11.760 --> 0:31:14.440 know what range, and they're like actively trying to shoot 0:31:14.480 --> 0:31:18.800 a guy's forearm or hand to disable him. Like that's 0:31:18.800 --> 0:31:23.360 some pretty accurate stuff, you know, And like it's not 0:31:23.400 --> 0:31:25.840 like you're at the range, you know, shooting at at 0:31:25.880 --> 0:31:28.680 a target that's not moving. You're like in part of 0:31:28.680 --> 0:31:30.360 a raid and you're like, oh, I'm gonna hit it. 0:31:30.440 --> 0:31:32.480 Hit him in the wrist, and so you can't shoot 0:31:32.520 --> 0:31:36.240 at me anymore. Skeptic. The skepticism is the chance to 0:31:36.280 --> 0:31:41.360 do the intellect. John m Maybe they're really bad shots, 0:31:41.400 --> 0:31:43.080 and that's as good as it. I mean, they got 0:31:43.160 --> 0:31:47.040 him in the hand, and they were yeah exactly, they 0:31:47.240 --> 0:31:49.120 were firing arrows. Yeah, and they happened to hit him 0:31:49.120 --> 0:31:51.640 in their arms or he was hiding behind a stone 0:31:52.520 --> 0:31:54.720 mm hmmm, and that's all that was sticking up. That 0:31:54.760 --> 0:31:58.600 could be too, But I wouldn't underestimate those bows, because um, 0:31:58.640 --> 0:32:01.480 we're gonna have we're working having Michael punk back on 0:32:01.600 --> 0:32:04.320 about his new book that's coming out, The Fat about 0:32:04.320 --> 0:32:10.280 the Fetterman fight and they killed I think the Sioux 0:32:11.600 --> 0:32:14.000 called it like the Battle of One in the Hand. 0:32:14.800 --> 0:32:19.520 But they killed something like eighty four eighty four US 0:32:19.600 --> 0:32:24.160 soldiers with bows. I mean, granted they had there was 0:32:24.200 --> 0:32:26.680 two thousand against eighty four, but killed him with bows, 0:32:26.760 --> 0:32:30.239 man like mostly I guess there was some firearms. They 0:32:30.320 --> 0:32:34.720 mostly did it with that. So, but you'd also read 0:32:34.760 --> 0:32:37.520 about bodies being left with a hundred arrows in them, 0:32:37.560 --> 0:32:40.480 which I think is like you're basically saying to someone, yeah, 0:32:40.520 --> 0:32:43.600 you're super dead. You're saying to someone like, man, this 0:32:43.680 --> 0:32:47.200 is like kind of like where we live. Appreciate you're 0:32:47.240 --> 0:32:54.280 not coming round. M hm, go on, That's all I 0:32:54.320 --> 0:32:59.920 had about Constant. Yeah, that's pretty damn cool, though, well 0:33:00.120 --> 0:33:06.720 is getting shot up for finding that tomb stone and 0:33:06.760 --> 0:33:09.200 then learning about it just by reading a book. Because 0:33:09.200 --> 0:33:12.960 you know what especially interesting about it is that everything 0:33:13.040 --> 0:33:16.320 that happened, not everything, the vast majority of everything that 0:33:16.320 --> 0:33:21.160 happens in that book is underwater. Yeah, it's under for Peg, 0:33:21.200 --> 0:33:27.080 as an enterprising fellow would get himself a scuba tank 0:33:28.520 --> 0:33:30.480 and go down and look around and find cool stuff. 0:33:32.440 --> 0:33:36.800 Dig around down there. Okay, moving on, We're gonna talk 0:33:36.840 --> 0:33:38.880 about turkeys. But as a segue to turkey talking. And 0:33:39.080 --> 0:33:40.960 it's almost like I almost hesitate to bring this up 0:33:41.000 --> 0:33:44.720 because it Uh, let me, let me put this question, Jason, 0:33:45.800 --> 0:33:46.920 do you know what I want? Do you know what 0:33:46.960 --> 0:33:51.000 Seth is gonna present for us? Yeah? Do what do 0:33:51.000 --> 0:33:54.840 do you feel? Um? Are you like just do you 0:33:54.880 --> 0:33:57.800 love turkeys and you're just interested in all things turkeys? 0:33:57.880 --> 0:34:00.560 Or do you feel like this negates something or do 0:34:00.600 --> 0:34:04.480 you feel that it like does this diminish the work 0:34:04.520 --> 0:34:07.640 of a turkey caller? Or is this just why not 0:34:07.760 --> 0:34:10.440 know about everything? That's true? No? I think I think 0:34:10.440 --> 0:34:12.560 it's something we strive for, like some of what we're 0:34:12.560 --> 0:34:14.400 gonna listen to, like man, you know, I hate the 0:34:14.440 --> 0:34:16.600 sound of a box sometimes, but like man, that's really 0:34:16.640 --> 0:34:18.920 boxy sound. And so it's just it makes me think, like, 0:34:18.960 --> 0:34:20.759 how do we sound more like that? Even though we 0:34:20.800 --> 0:34:23.319 all know what we've been doing works and we had 0:34:23.320 --> 0:34:25.320 a little pre conversation before you got here, like you know, 0:34:25.440 --> 0:34:27.680 cadence is important, you know some of the other stuff 0:34:27.719 --> 0:34:30.600 that doesn't matter as much as the sound, um, you know. 0:34:30.640 --> 0:34:33.240 And then I don't want to necessarily get ahead of ourselves. 0:34:33.239 --> 0:34:36.520 But like the seventies seven yelper hand coming up like 0:34:37.040 --> 0:34:38.960 you know, we've always been oh, seven and nine, no, yo, 0:34:39.120 --> 0:34:40.960 you know, one lesson, you're not gonna call in the 0:34:41.000 --> 0:34:42.840 bird ten yelps, you're not gonna call the bird in 0:34:42.920 --> 0:34:45.160 like seven and nine. And then you hear this real 0:34:45.239 --> 0:34:47.840 hand out there just going down. So it's like it 0:34:47.840 --> 0:34:51.040 always makes you think, but I think is a you know, 0:34:51.040 --> 0:34:52.480 a guy that tries to sound as much like the 0:34:52.520 --> 0:34:54.879 real thing, like you always strive to like, hey, yeah, 0:34:55.040 --> 0:34:57.319 she might sound off, but I think a lot of 0:34:57.360 --> 0:35:00.960 real hands aren't great turkey colors. That what got me 0:35:01.040 --> 0:35:04.799 interested in finding out about like looking this stuff up 0:35:05.320 --> 0:35:08.920 is I found that it was more helpful to me 0:35:10.200 --> 0:35:16.279 to go on YouTube like and learning about learning turkey calling, right, 0:35:17.480 --> 0:35:20.000 It was almost more helpful for me to go on 0:35:20.040 --> 0:35:24.520 YouTube and just find hands, yep, find video of hands 0:35:24.560 --> 0:35:27.879 making noise, because oftentimes, like so often when you're out 0:35:27.880 --> 0:35:33.400 in the woods and you hear turkeys, they're not doing 0:35:33.840 --> 0:35:38.520 the playbook. They're not always doing the playbook that you're doing, 0:35:39.280 --> 0:35:40.799 Like you have an idea of the playbook, but then 0:35:40.800 --> 0:35:42.640 you're like you'll be sitting there in the darks sometime 0:35:42.680 --> 0:35:45.480 and just hear some hand just like open a tree 0:35:46.840 --> 0:35:52.040 going nuts. And you would feel funny doing that yep yep, 0:35:53.440 --> 0:35:56.040 like and this this hand on YouTube that if you 0:35:56.120 --> 0:35:59.920 heard a person out in the woods did the raunchieste 0:36:00.200 --> 0:36:04.680 does seventy seven yelp in a row sequence, you'd be like, 0:36:04.800 --> 0:36:07.239 what is that dude doing? Yeah, that's that's a guy. Yeah, 0:36:07.360 --> 0:36:10.279 or you'd say, you know, after thirty four, you'd be like, 0:36:10.480 --> 0:36:16.239 that's not a dude. Yeah, that guy that he'd have 0:36:16.239 --> 0:36:19.680 passed out by Now. It's really interesting, man, it's really 0:36:19.719 --> 0:36:24.359 interesting to go watch stuff they do. But then it's 0:36:24.360 --> 0:36:28.160 worth bringing this up to uh, you know, the tent 0:36:28.320 --> 0:36:30.640 legion that that it's kind of like a this famous 0:36:30.640 --> 0:36:35.799 turkey hunt book by this guy, Colonel Tom Kelly. Uh 0:36:36.000 --> 0:36:40.520 philis subject matter expert. You're Tom Kelly expert. No, Ben 0:36:40.600 --> 0:36:42.239 has just been showing it down my throat for the 0:36:42.280 --> 0:36:46.040 last few months, so um, hardy to avoid. It's a 0:36:46.040 --> 0:36:50.400 good book about turkeys. But in it he tells the 0:36:50.480 --> 0:36:54.680 story where he's out in the woods one day and 0:36:54.680 --> 0:36:57.520 he's watching a group of I can't remember how if 0:36:57.520 --> 0:36:59.800 he's watching. He's watching either a group of Hends or 0:37:01.480 --> 0:37:06.920 a group of Toms going about their business, and a 0:37:07.040 --> 0:37:12.280 hen shows up near him, and sets to just yelping 0:37:12.280 --> 0:37:17.439 her ass off. Okay, it's like spring. And he said 0:37:17.600 --> 0:37:25.600 the gobblers didn't even pick up their head. So in 0:37:25.680 --> 0:37:27.920 terms of you know, there's a big thing about like 0:37:27.960 --> 0:37:30.319 what mood are they in? Yeah, like what do they 0:37:30.320 --> 0:37:32.719 got going on? So if you do something and it 0:37:32.760 --> 0:37:35.960 doesn't respond in your heads, like he doesn't think I'm 0:37:36.000 --> 0:37:41.600 a hen, right, yeah, but then that trick them. But 0:37:41.640 --> 0:37:44.319 then here's a hand standing there and they're like their head. 0:37:44.920 --> 0:37:48.600 Mike Chamberlain was saying that their testosterone levels changed daily 0:37:48.760 --> 0:37:52.000 up and down, and one day I have that problem. 0:37:52.040 --> 0:37:56.480 One day, one day their testosterone might be low and 0:37:56.560 --> 0:37:58.120 you call to them and they don't give a ship. 0:37:58.320 --> 0:38:00.319 But the next day you're on that same and his 0:38:00.360 --> 0:38:05.279 testosterone levels have risen and he's like interested. Yeah, it 0:38:05.320 --> 0:38:08.279 sounds like a bull elk man, I got it. I 0:38:08.320 --> 0:38:13.000 got a little idea I'm hatching right now, testosterone injections 0:38:13.000 --> 0:38:17.200 for turkeys, but corn out with testosterone keep me breaking 0:38:17.280 --> 0:38:22.920 two logs. Yeah, I see. I've always been like, I've 0:38:22.920 --> 0:38:25.239 always subscribed to the idea, Like, you know, their hand 0:38:25.320 --> 0:38:27.279 up and if they got there for sure, thing like 0:38:27.320 --> 0:38:30.120 they're not interested, but I'd be curious in that example 0:38:30.200 --> 0:38:32.000 you shared, like when the real hen was next to him, 0:38:32.040 --> 0:38:35.040 like it wasn't truly just a flock of Tom's or 0:38:35.080 --> 0:38:38.000 were they locked down on a hand um, Because if they, 0:38:38.080 --> 0:38:39.879 I would I would got to read the tent legion. 0:38:39.920 --> 0:38:41.719 I would throw a fit. I would pack my calls 0:38:41.800 --> 0:38:43.960 up and go home if it was nothing but Tom's 0:38:43.960 --> 0:38:45.680 over there. No hens locked down and they didn't even 0:38:45.719 --> 0:38:47.520 look at me. I'm all right, I'm I'm out of here. 0:38:47.520 --> 0:38:49.600 You're having to change I've been having. I had a 0:38:49.600 --> 0:38:53.040 big fight with Clay Nucom down in Texas where we 0:38:53.080 --> 0:38:58.160 went out one day, bright, early in the morning to rattlebuxing. 0:38:58.800 --> 0:39:01.920 Okay um, we had reason to believe based on Yanni 0:39:02.000 --> 0:39:04.160 rattling a couple basically into the truck with them, we 0:39:04.200 --> 0:39:06.480 had a reason to believe that on this property, ratling 0:39:06.520 --> 0:39:10.960 worked very well. We go out in the morning and nothing, 0:39:12.680 --> 0:39:15.440 and I'm like, damn, what's going on? You know? Then 0:39:15.480 --> 0:39:17.799 we go in the middle of the day and one 0:39:17.840 --> 0:39:20.839 after the other and I don't think it's at their 0:39:20.880 --> 0:39:24.200 testospherone level spiked. I argued to Clay that I'm like, 0:39:24.480 --> 0:39:26.359 for lack of a better word, I think bucks are 0:39:26.360 --> 0:39:30.880 bored at two o'clock, and I think in the morning 0:39:30.920 --> 0:39:32.680 they're kind of like, oh, the dolls are doing this, 0:39:32.760 --> 0:39:36.840 they're moving around, stuff's going on. And then everybody's just 0:39:36.920 --> 0:39:40.320 laying around board off their asses, and they hear a 0:39:40.440 --> 0:39:45.000 rattle and he's in The dolls are bedded, and he's like, 0:39:45.160 --> 0:39:46.839 I'd run over there real quick. I'm not gonna miss 0:39:46.840 --> 0:39:50.919 out on something exciting. Yeah, I'm thinking, which Clay thought 0:39:50.920 --> 0:39:54.000 that was a stupid idea. I'm thinking he's already checked 0:39:54.000 --> 0:39:56.200 the betting area. He knows all those doughs are not 0:39:56.239 --> 0:39:59.279 in heat, and he's like, whoa, somebody's fighting over hot 0:39:59.360 --> 0:40:02.200 over here. So maybe not board, but you know what 0:40:02.200 --> 0:40:07.080 I'm saying, His mood change, his circumstances changed in some 0:40:07.200 --> 0:40:10.399 kind of predictable fashion at a certain time of day. 0:40:10.960 --> 0:40:30.840 Maybe they're testosterone rises with the temperature. Mine doesn't. Okay, 0:40:30.920 --> 0:40:33.239 seth share Uh, I don't know how you want to 0:40:33.239 --> 0:40:35.600 do this. I want to play. So this is like 0:40:35.880 --> 0:40:39.920 you got some good ones. I have a couple. Um here, 0:40:40.000 --> 0:40:43.239 let's do this first. Which one of you boys, Derek 0:40:43.280 --> 0:40:45.840 or Jayson, Which one of you boys wants to um 0:40:46.000 --> 0:40:50.920 give us like a conservative hunter sits in the woods 0:40:52.400 --> 0:40:56.759 and goals yep, yep, yep, yep. Am I gonna use 0:40:56.800 --> 0:40:59.719 your collar yawnies. It doesn't matter to me, man, whatever 0:40:59.760 --> 0:41:01.440 one you think it's gonna be the most conservative for 0:41:01.480 --> 0:41:08.279 you sitting in the woods, I'm not using either of yours. 0:41:08.320 --> 0:41:13.360 I mean used to meat coal. Okay. This is a 0:41:13.400 --> 0:41:16.600 conservative turkey hunter who's like, man, I gotta play it cool. 0:41:17.160 --> 0:41:25.760 I don't want to give these turkeys the wrong idea. Okay, 0:41:26.320 --> 0:41:28.000 now is that like that's probably still like they're just 0:41:28.000 --> 0:41:29.200 out of the tree or still in the tree, like 0:41:29.239 --> 0:41:32.280 real quick, I call that conservative. Al right now, SA's 0:41:32.320 --> 0:41:35.319 gonna share with us like some some turkey noises. Yeah, 0:41:35.400 --> 0:41:38.520 so I love these things. This first one just totally 0:41:38.840 --> 0:41:45.680 debunks the the like, don't call too much. Seven to nine, yep, Cadence, 0:42:02.440 --> 0:42:04.480 just not stop. It's like having a kazoo out in 0:42:04.520 --> 0:42:29.200 the woods. That's the hunter. That's the hunter. I love it. 0:42:29.360 --> 0:42:33.960 So after hearing that, you know, maybe you could call 0:42:34.000 --> 0:42:40.600 a little bit more. Yeah, because if they don't come 0:42:40.600 --> 0:42:42.080 in your eyes, like I'm gonna give him the sigh 0:42:42.120 --> 0:42:44.239 of the treatment. Yeah, no, one's I don't know. Maybe 0:42:44.280 --> 0:42:45.879 some people are. Maybe some people are like, dude, I'm 0:42:45.880 --> 0:42:49.440 gonna pour the coals to it. There is there are 0:42:50.400 --> 0:42:52.560 I can't remember the guy's name, someone that Jay Scott 0:42:52.640 --> 0:42:56.919 hunted with, uh Yargust. Maybe you guys know that name. 0:42:57.040 --> 0:42:59.319 He was like, there's so many guys that have been 0:42:59.400 --> 0:43:02.360 like national turkey calling in championships, but I believe the 0:43:02.360 --> 0:43:05.720 guy's name is Billy Argus. And that was the first 0:43:05.719 --> 0:43:07.680 guy that Jay I think had heard and that I 0:43:07.680 --> 0:43:10.680 had heard where like even in the dark on the 0:43:10.719 --> 0:43:15.319 tree set up. His attitude is pour the coals to him, 0:43:15.680 --> 0:43:18.719 just talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk 0:43:18.719 --> 0:43:21.040 and be like, no, I am the only hand you 0:43:21.080 --> 0:43:24.319 need to be focused on right here me and just 0:43:24.520 --> 0:43:27.000 hammer at him. And he had great success. I like 0:43:27.080 --> 0:43:31.799 that guy, that's your style. Yeah, I don't the whole 0:43:31.840 --> 0:43:34.480 like be quiet, be patient, that's that's not good. I 0:43:34.520 --> 0:43:36.440 want to be like that hand. I just want to 0:43:36.520 --> 0:43:39.200 run that call as much as possible. Hit. That's what 0:43:39.239 --> 0:43:42.880 another one seth Okay, So this one is a hand 0:43:42.960 --> 0:43:46.759 that if if I heard this, hen let's say I'm 0:43:46.760 --> 0:43:50.120 in Pennsylvania and I'm walking through the woods and I 0:43:50.160 --> 0:43:52.319 hear this, I'm like, that is a dude on a 0:43:52.320 --> 0:43:58.480 box call and he sounds terrible. Um, this this turkey's 0:43:58.600 --> 0:44:12.000 clocks are more like squeaks. Like some sound good, but 0:44:12.120 --> 0:44:37.440 you'll hear a couple. They're just like squeaks. H m hmm. 0:44:41.040 --> 0:44:42.440 Like every once in a while there's one in there. 0:44:42.440 --> 0:44:44.799 It's just like a squeak, and I'd be like, that's dude, 0:44:44.840 --> 0:44:47.279 just like messed up a little bits like there's a 0:44:47.320 --> 0:44:53.520 problem with his box called. Yeah. So yeah, real turkey, 0:44:53.920 --> 0:44:55.480 you got another good one. Hits one more good one, 0:44:55.480 --> 0:44:58.160 you'll be I'll clean this all up, right Phil, This one, 0:44:58.320 --> 0:45:02.080 this one's just a hand that gob that's gobbling. Oh, 0:45:03.040 --> 0:45:22.080 which is interesting. That's the hunter turkey. That's a hand, 0:45:22.120 --> 0:45:28.239 that's a hand. Yeah. And if I heard that in 0:45:28.239 --> 0:45:30.520 the Turkey Woods with you know, a bunch of pressure 0:45:30.520 --> 0:45:31.840 around me, be like, that's a dude on one of 0:45:31.840 --> 0:45:39.719 those gobbles things. So that's a real turkey. This this 0:45:39.840 --> 0:45:54.919 is right here. It's almost like a Jake gobble too, 0:45:55.640 --> 0:45:59.439 kind of halfhearted. Okay. One of the things we wanted 0:45:59.480 --> 0:46:01.440 to do in head into this is uh and headed 0:46:01.440 --> 0:46:04.680 in talking about some of this is um, we're trying 0:46:04.680 --> 0:46:07.840 to get our favorite turkey biologist, Mike Chamberlain. What's this 0:46:07.960 --> 0:46:10.920 what's his Instagram thing called super Interesting Man? Oh? I 0:46:10.960 --> 0:46:14.719 love his posts Wild Turkey Doc, dude. They should have 0:46:14.760 --> 0:46:16.279 it be that he's the only person that can be 0:46:16.320 --> 0:46:21.600 on Instagram, Like Instagram should just be his thing and 0:46:21.640 --> 0:46:25.520 everybody has to follow it. Yeah, because it's like it's 0:46:25.560 --> 0:46:33.600 just like information, useful, applicable information. I like how he 0:46:33.640 --> 0:46:37.240 apologizes to for like being too long, Like he knows, 0:46:37.640 --> 0:46:40.440 he knows like how much people can tolerate and how 0:46:40.560 --> 0:46:43.040 much they want to read. A lot of times I'll 0:46:43.080 --> 0:46:45.320 be like, all right, a little bit longer this Tuesday. 0:46:45.320 --> 0:46:47.719 He only gives you one a week. Yeah, what's this 0:46:47.760 --> 0:46:52.719 thing called? Is handles? Wild Turkey Doc? Yeah just one 0:46:52.760 --> 0:46:56.360 word and yeah, I highly recommend checking them out. Instagram 0:46:56.360 --> 0:46:59.719 should be called wild Turkey dock. And when you go, 0:47:00.000 --> 0:47:03.960 it's just his stuff. No, you can't start like an 0:47:03.960 --> 0:47:06.279 account and start putting your own stupid stuff up there. 0:47:06.280 --> 0:47:11.680 It's just his stuff. So Karan asked him a question. 0:47:11.680 --> 0:47:13.880 We're here because I don't think we asked this before. 0:47:15.360 --> 0:47:19.880 Uh Karan wanted. We wanted to ask him mainly, Um, 0:47:19.960 --> 0:47:21.879 what is going through a turkey's mind when it's being 0:47:21.920 --> 0:47:26.680 called at right. We do all the talking about like 0:47:26.760 --> 0:47:30.960 mimicking the sounds, but what might be on the turkey, 0:47:31.080 --> 0:47:35.600 like the one receiving the noise? What does it really cape? 0:47:35.719 --> 0:47:38.479 Is it really sitting there being like m mm hmmm, 0:47:39.640 --> 0:47:44.359 is that a person or what? Yeah? Or is it 0:47:44.400 --> 0:47:46.399 like is it telling me to come? Is it telling 0:47:46.400 --> 0:47:48.719 me to go and telling me that there's a good 0:47:48.760 --> 0:47:52.240 food over there? Right? Yeah? Does this sound like sex 0:47:52.239 --> 0:47:58.239 sex sex sex sex or food? Food? Food? That's old 0:47:58.280 --> 0:48:00.719 Betty Lou over there. I remember her from last year. 0:48:03.040 --> 0:48:07.520 Steve is dying to know what on earth is going 0:48:08.080 --> 0:48:13.759 through a turkey's mind when it's called at well, that 0:48:13.920 --> 0:48:18.879 is a good question. Unfortunately, we can't interview turkeys, so 0:48:18.960 --> 0:48:23.040 it's hard to know with certainty what they think or 0:48:23.080 --> 0:48:27.680 perceive when we call to them. But what we do 0:48:27.760 --> 0:48:31.879 know is that turkeys at least partially recognize each other 0:48:31.960 --> 0:48:36.120 based on their calls. We also know that, because of 0:48:36.160 --> 0:48:41.400 the way hearing works in birds, that they perceive calls 0:48:41.480 --> 0:48:45.160 differently than we do. So you kind of need to 0:48:45.200 --> 0:48:48.560 think about, so how does a turkey here? If you 0:48:48.640 --> 0:48:53.279 understand how they hear, then I think it helps kind 0:48:53.320 --> 0:48:57.640 of navigate, Well, what are they perceiving. So turkeys they 0:48:57.640 --> 0:48:59.799 don't have an external ear like we do, so they 0:48:59.800 --> 0:49:02.760 don't and have flaps on the outside of their ears 0:49:02.800 --> 0:49:06.319 that help funnel sound into their inner ear canals. You 0:49:06.360 --> 0:49:08.640 can see the ear canal on the side of their head. 0:49:08.680 --> 0:49:12.160 It's kind of just blow and behind their eyes. But 0:49:12.600 --> 0:49:16.879 without an external ear flap, they have to come up 0:49:17.000 --> 0:49:20.480 or or they have to use different ways of determining 0:49:20.560 --> 0:49:24.680 direction and distance to sounds. So what what turkeys do 0:49:24.920 --> 0:49:28.960 is a sound comes into one ear, and the ear 0:49:29.040 --> 0:49:32.920 registers the volume of the sound, and the other ear 0:49:33.040 --> 0:49:37.280 acts independently to register a different volume to that sound. 0:49:38.000 --> 0:49:40.640 And if you watch turkeys, you'll see them do this. 0:49:40.719 --> 0:49:45.000 They constantly are turning their heads. That allows them to 0:49:45.200 --> 0:49:48.840 determine because they can figure out through that volume adjustment 0:49:49.040 --> 0:49:51.840 where is the sound coming from left, right, up, down, 0:49:52.600 --> 0:49:55.080 And as they turn their head, it helps them kind 0:49:55.080 --> 0:49:59.200 of refine where exactly is that sound coming from. And 0:49:59.480 --> 0:50:01.920 turkey h owners will tell you know, they have this 0:50:02.040 --> 0:50:07.240 uncanny ability to just pinpoint the exact distance to a sound. 0:50:08.280 --> 0:50:11.920 And the way they do that is because those sounds 0:50:11.920 --> 0:50:15.319 are coming in their ears and being registered by the 0:50:15.400 --> 0:50:19.880 brain differently than we hear sound, and because we also 0:50:19.960 --> 0:50:25.080 know that birds in general hear different frequencies in calls 0:50:25.120 --> 0:50:28.560 than we do. We call to a bird and there's 0:50:28.600 --> 0:50:31.239 a very simple you help you, help you, help you up, 0:50:31.320 --> 0:50:35.200 or whatever sound we make, and they hear that differently 0:50:35.280 --> 0:50:39.239 because they can perceive different frequencies than we can. So 0:50:39.360 --> 0:50:43.280 you you kind of factor that into the equation, combined 0:50:43.440 --> 0:50:45.680 with the way that they hear sounds in the in 0:50:45.719 --> 0:50:50.520 their ears, and that allows them to perceive much more 0:50:50.600 --> 0:50:55.960 complex messages in calls than us humans are capable of perceiving. 0:50:56.440 --> 0:50:59.319 So we don't really know. Again, I've never been able 0:50:59.360 --> 0:51:03.160 to interview a tom to ask him, but we do 0:51:03.280 --> 0:51:06.399 know that birds in general and turkeys obviously hear their 0:51:06.480 --> 0:51:10.440 world differently than we do. So we know because of 0:51:10.800 --> 0:51:13.960 how cute they're hearing is and because of the way 0:51:14.040 --> 0:51:19.799 they're hearing works, they can pinpoint direction of sound with precision. 0:51:20.400 --> 0:51:23.920 And a person once told me it was a famous 0:51:23.960 --> 0:51:28.759 turkey researcher that imprinted birds and watch their behavior. He 0:51:28.800 --> 0:51:31.480 told me that turkeys have an incredible sense of place, 0:51:31.840 --> 0:51:34.799 and what he meant by that was they hear a 0:51:34.960 --> 0:51:39.719 sound and they know exactly, not only the direction from 0:51:39.760 --> 0:51:43.560 which that sound came, but where that sound originated from 0:51:43.560 --> 0:51:47.759 on the landscape. They essentially have a GPS and they 0:51:47.880 --> 0:51:51.520 can pinpoint that call or that sound came from that spot, 0:51:52.400 --> 0:51:55.399 and they can go to that spot. And we see 0:51:55.440 --> 0:51:58.480 this really commonly in some of our research where we 0:51:58.560 --> 0:52:03.160 are tracking hunters and turkey simultaneously. So we we have 0:52:03.480 --> 0:52:06.560 tom's that are running around with GPS units on, and 0:52:06.600 --> 0:52:09.960 we have hunters that are carrying a GPS in their jacket. 0:52:11.040 --> 0:52:14.320 It's bizarre, but turkey hunters have we know this occurs, 0:52:14.360 --> 0:52:17.839 but we've had numerous situations where a person ends up 0:52:18.000 --> 0:52:23.560 calling to a bird from a spot, leaves because the 0:52:23.600 --> 0:52:27.479 turkey doesn't show up, and three or four hours later, 0:52:27.520 --> 0:52:30.000 the bird ends up at the exact same spot the hunter, 0:52:32.400 --> 0:52:36.240 and that just tells you that the bird knew exactly 0:52:36.239 --> 0:52:39.360 where that call was coming from. It just wasn't in 0:52:39.480 --> 0:52:42.360 his routine that morning to walk over to that sound. 0:52:42.400 --> 0:52:44.239 He said, you know what, I'll go check that out 0:52:44.360 --> 0:52:47.080 a few hours from now, because my morning routine is 0:52:47.560 --> 0:52:49.600 I'm going over here and do this and then I'll 0:52:50.000 --> 0:52:52.960 get back to to that sound. So to take a 0:52:53.000 --> 0:52:57.200 little detour, Yeah, yeah, yeah, And I've actually put some 0:52:57.360 --> 0:52:59.920 maps out on social media showing what that looks like. 0:53:00.040 --> 0:53:03.800 It's really crazy. They they'll end up hours down the 0:53:03.880 --> 0:53:08.480 road right where you were sitting. Wow. Yeah, that's that's why. 0:53:08.600 --> 0:53:15.800 That's why God made naps. Like I'll often make mistaken 0:53:16.000 --> 0:53:19.480 of having my naps somewhere else, Like you go off 0:53:19.520 --> 0:53:21.440 to a good nap spot. What you should do is 0:53:21.480 --> 0:53:25.600 your last call session at nap time. You should pick 0:53:25.640 --> 0:53:28.040 a good spot. I'll sometimes do this, like a good 0:53:28.080 --> 0:53:32.480 little Heidi spot where you can call nothing calms and 0:53:32.520 --> 0:53:36.440 then take your nap right there. I'm gonna write a 0:53:36.440 --> 0:53:39.360 book about that. I'll tell you a story about choosing 0:53:39.400 --> 0:53:44.480 a bad nap spot. Please. Yanni was there. This was 0:53:44.760 --> 0:53:47.600 what two seasons ago when we took Maggie and Tracy 0:53:47.680 --> 0:53:52.720 hunt turkey for the show. Um the turkey that Maggie 0:53:52.800 --> 0:53:57.600 and Yanni were after we called to and then he 0:53:57.719 --> 0:54:00.960 ended up drifting away and we laid down and took 0:54:00.960 --> 0:54:03.160 a nap, and I woke up to a turkey putton 0:54:03.280 --> 0:54:06.840 and opened my eyes and the turkeys standing two ft 0:54:06.840 --> 0:54:09.400 from Maggie. Oh, he had come. He had come and 0:54:09.480 --> 0:54:12.960 was standing like she could have reached over and smacked 0:54:12.960 --> 0:54:16.439 the bird just like Dr Chamberlain was saying, no, kid 0:54:16.560 --> 0:54:18.840 man just walked right into us. There's a bunch of 0:54:18.840 --> 0:54:22.080 people sleeping there. You know what else I'm thinking about 0:54:22.120 --> 0:54:26.960 as he's answering his question, is this idea that you 0:54:27.000 --> 0:54:30.359 know when when we look at dear what dear c right, 0:54:30.880 --> 0:54:33.960 like when you look at your setup camo and all that, 0:54:34.040 --> 0:54:36.320 Like you're looking at you, you have like an idea 0:54:36.320 --> 0:54:38.080 of what it looks like. But then you get into 0:54:38.120 --> 0:54:41.000 how deer's eyes are or duck's eyes are or whatever. 0:54:41.760 --> 0:54:44.600 Their experience is probably totally different. Like you can't even 0:54:44.440 --> 0:54:48.080 you'll never maybe not ever, I can't foresee where you 0:54:48.120 --> 0:54:50.280 would look through a thing that shows you what it sees. 0:54:51.160 --> 0:54:53.680 But from all indications are it is not seeing what 0:54:53.760 --> 0:54:58.440 you see, and so you're you're you're sort of like extrapolating, 0:54:58.760 --> 0:55:01.120 you know. I think that's why trial and air is 0:55:01.160 --> 0:55:03.280 so expensive. You can't just look and be like that's hidden. 0:55:04.480 --> 0:55:07.200 It's it has to be more like I've done this thing, 0:55:07.200 --> 0:55:09.359 and here's how the animals respond, and I've done this thing. 0:55:09.360 --> 0:55:11.600 Here's how Andrew respond. I don't know what it is. 0:55:12.600 --> 0:55:16.120 I can't replicate it, but I'm learning that this type 0:55:16.120 --> 0:55:19.680 of thing really gets their attention, you know, this type 0:55:19.719 --> 0:55:24.640 of thing they just look right through. Um. Abernathey, who's 0:55:24.680 --> 0:55:29.160 a biologist, was saying one time he would talk about 0:55:29.160 --> 0:55:32.439 iridescence on birds and bird he's I know he's talking 0:55:32.440 --> 0:55:34.280 about what they hear, but he's talking about bird vision. 0:55:35.600 --> 0:55:38.359 And um he thinks that when a turkey looks at 0:55:38.360 --> 0:55:41.720 a turkey, it just is not seeing what you see 0:55:43.200 --> 0:55:46.120 in terms of the iridescence on those feathers. So when 0:55:46.120 --> 0:55:48.360 they so, when they're looking at like a foam decoy 0:55:48.520 --> 0:55:50.520 versus a real bird, it might not even look close. 0:55:50.760 --> 0:55:52.959 Even though all right, it looks like another turkey, it's 0:55:53.040 --> 0:55:55.520 not not what he says. He thinks that fan is 0:55:55.600 --> 0:56:01.160 just screaming at that turkey. I agree, I would. I 0:56:01.200 --> 0:56:05.239 think it's like fireworks going on. And then like now 0:56:05.320 --> 0:56:07.400 back at home, like the big things like real turkey 0:56:07.480 --> 0:56:09.800 like stuff for decoys, you carry like a full mounted 0:56:09.960 --> 0:56:11.799 bird around with you and then that way you get 0:56:11.800 --> 0:56:14.120 the full you know, you got a real bird sitting there. 0:56:14.160 --> 0:56:16.440 But I wonder if you see, like you said, it 0:56:16.480 --> 0:56:18.200 comes back to testing, like you have to test that 0:56:18.320 --> 0:56:19.799 over and over and over out in the field to 0:56:19.800 --> 0:56:24.240 see if it works any better. He he was very early, 0:56:25.239 --> 0:56:27.920 long time ago, this Abernath. He started messing around with 0:56:28.239 --> 0:56:30.920 real turkey feather decoys and he just took a decoy 0:56:30.920 --> 0:56:32.800 and got a hot glue gun and glued the feathers 0:56:32.840 --> 0:56:35.680 onto the thing. And he had one with him when 0:56:35.680 --> 0:56:37.319 I was hunting with him in Florida, and I can't 0:56:37.320 --> 0:56:40.080 hear what he said. He said something like, thirty two 0:56:40.080 --> 0:56:46.880 turkeys have seen this decoin, they're all dead. That works. 0:56:48.440 --> 0:56:54.680 What constitutes a quote unquote good call versus a bad call? 0:56:55.480 --> 0:56:59.279 We have Well, let's say we as a human being, 0:56:59.360 --> 0:57:01.319 I can listen to a call and think, oh, that 0:57:01.400 --> 0:57:04.600 sounded pretty good, But we have absolutely no idea what 0:57:04.640 --> 0:57:06.959 a turkey thinks is a good call or a bad call. 0:57:07.719 --> 0:57:10.720 And any turkey hunter can tell you this. If they've 0:57:10.840 --> 0:57:14.200 hunted enough that you'll use one call and get no 0:57:14.320 --> 0:57:17.360 response whatsoever, and you take a different call out of 0:57:17.360 --> 0:57:19.360 your vest, and all of a sudden there's a bird 0:57:19.440 --> 0:57:22.480 that's gobbling and he's right there. Why didn't he call 0:57:22.640 --> 0:57:25.440 to the first call and he did to the second? 0:57:25.680 --> 0:57:30.200 Or another experience we've all had is you start calling 0:57:30.280 --> 0:57:34.040 and suddenly there's a bird a hen that's nearby and 0:57:34.160 --> 0:57:37.800 she's mad as hell, and she approaches you and starts 0:57:37.800 --> 0:57:40.160 cutting at you and yelping at you. And we don't 0:57:40.160 --> 0:57:43.640 know what she's thinking, but presumably because we know they 0:57:43.680 --> 0:57:47.280 recognize each other based on their calls, she either doesn't 0:57:47.320 --> 0:57:51.880 recognize you and wonders why you're there, or she thinks 0:57:51.920 --> 0:57:54.720 she recognizes you and she doesn't want you there. I mean, 0:57:54.760 --> 0:57:58.920 that's the two logical assumptions I have. Either way, for 0:57:59.000 --> 0:58:02.600 whatever reason, that call caused her to get upset, and 0:58:02.720 --> 0:58:05.440 she comes and tries to find you so that she 0:58:05.520 --> 0:58:08.640 can tell you that she's upset. So we don't really know. 0:58:09.160 --> 0:58:11.840 I mean, I can call okay now. But I killed 0:58:11.880 --> 0:58:15.120 turkeys years ago. When my calling sucked, I thought he sucked, 0:58:15.200 --> 0:58:17.640 but there was a bird out there that didn't agree 0:58:17.680 --> 0:58:21.400 with me, and I thought, hey, that sounds pretty good. 0:58:21.440 --> 0:58:23.880 And I think a lot of it goes back to 0:58:23.920 --> 0:58:28.200 the ecology of the bird. Because a hen, she's thinking 0:58:28.440 --> 0:58:32.440 in her mind, she's geared to reproduce and lay a 0:58:32.520 --> 0:58:37.040 nest and hatch in the spring. She has grown up 0:58:37.040 --> 0:58:41.960 around other turkeys, and she recognizes their calls and she 0:58:42.000 --> 0:58:45.000 recognizes what they look like. That's the other way that 0:58:45.000 --> 0:58:47.440 that we think turkeys recognize each other is based on 0:58:47.480 --> 0:58:50.439 their heads, which is one reason why you'll often see 0:58:50.480 --> 0:58:53.400 turkeys when they're fighting, they're pecking at each other's heads 0:58:53.560 --> 0:58:56.720 because that's their form of recognition. So you have a 0:58:56.840 --> 0:59:00.800 hen who's geared towards reproduction and she is going to 0:59:00.840 --> 0:59:04.000 be by herself and spend part of the spring alone. 0:59:04.720 --> 0:59:07.440 She's been gregarious prior to that, meaning she's been in 0:59:07.440 --> 0:59:10.800 a group prior to that, and she recognizes everybody in 0:59:10.840 --> 0:59:14.720 her group. The tom's, on the other hand, they're geared 0:59:14.760 --> 0:59:21.160 towards reproduction solely, and their fitness improves by breeding more hens. 0:59:21.200 --> 0:59:23.400 So the more hens I can breed, the more fit 0:59:23.520 --> 0:59:27.800 I am. So in his mind, he may not care 0:59:28.160 --> 0:59:32.920 whether he's hearing Sally or Janet or Susan or whoever. 0:59:34.680 --> 0:59:40.280 He's just thinking, I can reproduce with that sound, and 0:59:40.840 --> 0:59:44.080 that's a good thing. So it makes sense that tom's 0:59:44.080 --> 0:59:48.280 would be more responsive to a wider variety of calls, 0:59:48.520 --> 0:59:52.400 you know, a crappy call or you know a world champion, 0:59:52.640 --> 0:59:57.480 Grand champion caller, because they're thinking with reproduction on them, 0:59:57.480 --> 0:59:59.800 you know, on the mind. That's the way I kind 0:59:59.800 --> 1:00:03.800 of I kind of look at it. Given how acute 1:00:03.800 --> 1:00:07.280 turkey hearing is, you know, do we do we need 1:00:07.320 --> 1:00:12.320 to screech at them at the figuratively the top of 1:00:12.320 --> 1:00:14.360 our lungs and we when we call to them. Do 1:00:14.400 --> 1:00:18.800 we really need to be like that loud and obnoxious. Um, well, 1:00:18.840 --> 1:00:21.479 they're going to be some people that disagree with this, 1:00:21.760 --> 1:00:25.960 but no, no, we don't. There are situations where using 1:00:25.960 --> 1:00:29.560 a really loud call when you're trying to locate a bird, 1:00:29.720 --> 1:00:32.760 maybe the winds blowing, or you're you're trying to project 1:00:32.960 --> 1:00:36.520 sound in the environment at distance to hope that he 1:00:36.560 --> 1:00:41.240 can hear you. Yes, that's grounds for squawking away. But 1:00:41.360 --> 1:00:44.640 if you're fairly close to a bird, and when I 1:00:44.720 --> 1:00:48.320 say fairly close several hundred yards, you don't need to 1:00:48.360 --> 1:00:53.320 call loudly. This bird can hear very very subtle sounds. 1:00:53.400 --> 1:00:56.480 And we've all probably been in this situation where you 1:00:56.480 --> 1:00:59.400 you're scratching the leaves, or you reach over to pick 1:00:59.480 --> 1:01:02.400 up your call all and you make a noise and 1:01:02.640 --> 1:01:06.280 a bird gowls. I tend to call louder than I 1:01:06.320 --> 1:01:09.640 think I probably need to. And the reason I say 1:01:09.680 --> 1:01:12.800 that is one of the best turkey hunters that I've 1:01:12.840 --> 1:01:17.520 ever been around he calls so soft that I can 1:01:17.600 --> 1:01:20.680 barely hear him when I'm sitting with him. And that's 1:01:20.720 --> 1:01:24.920 that's the truth. It's crazy. And before I started hunting 1:01:24.920 --> 1:01:28.680 with this guy, I tended to call much louder than 1:01:28.720 --> 1:01:32.920 he he does, and I was successful. It worked, but 1:01:33.080 --> 1:01:37.080 sometimes it didn't. And when this guy calls, he calls 1:01:37.160 --> 1:01:40.720 so softly and so subtly that I'm serious that you 1:01:40.800 --> 1:01:44.280 I'm sitting ten yards from him. It's it's so soft 1:01:44.400 --> 1:01:48.200 that I can barely hear the notes, and yet birds 1:01:48.320 --> 1:01:51.200 come right to us. In fact, I don't even call 1:01:51.240 --> 1:01:53.240 when I hunt with this guy anymore. I just let 1:01:53.360 --> 1:01:56.600 him call because what few times we hunted together last year, 1:01:57.120 --> 1:01:59.640 we had birds in front of us almost every single time, 1:01:59.720 --> 1:02:02.080 so it was like, well, you do the calling. I've 1:02:02.120 --> 1:02:05.600 also been in situations where I made calls and just 1:02:05.640 --> 1:02:09.480 scratched in the leaves or did something really subtle, really quiet, 1:02:09.600 --> 1:02:13.440 and birds are responding from hundreds of yards away. And 1:02:13.680 --> 1:02:15.600 then kind of back to some of the other things 1:02:15.600 --> 1:02:18.960 we've talked about. That allows a bird, because they can 1:02:19.000 --> 1:02:22.840 hear so well, that allows them that GPS at internal GPS, 1:02:22.920 --> 1:02:26.000 to figure out that's where that scratching and the leaves 1:02:26.040 --> 1:02:28.840 came from I'm going over there and I'll check that out. 1:02:29.720 --> 1:02:32.760 I do think in general we tend to call too 1:02:32.840 --> 1:02:36.880 much because the bird, once they hear you, they know 1:02:36.920 --> 1:02:39.560 where you're at. They know, okay, well that call came 1:02:39.600 --> 1:02:43.440 from right over there. So once the bird realizes you're there, 1:02:44.320 --> 1:02:47.960 in my opinion, you're better off to call quietly, if 1:02:48.000 --> 1:02:51.240 at all, once they've responded, because they know you're there 1:02:51.480 --> 1:02:53.840 and they know exactly how to get to you on 1:02:53.880 --> 1:02:57.160 their own terms, which unfortunately often ends up with them 1:02:57.160 --> 1:02:59.920 winning and us losing. But they know how to get 1:03:00.080 --> 1:03:04.320 to where you are with precision. Man, I'll tell you 1:03:04.360 --> 1:03:07.960 all this talk about the randomness of it or they're 1:03:08.000 --> 1:03:11.280 crazy noises there is because I've just seen it so 1:03:11.320 --> 1:03:16.680 many times. People that are just so good, like Jason, 1:03:16.680 --> 1:03:19.040 you know what you've talked to guys uck right, Like 1:03:19.160 --> 1:03:21.720 I've just I've gone out hunt with guys up where 1:03:21.760 --> 1:03:25.000 I've gone out and hunted all morning on a place okay, 1:03:25.040 --> 1:03:29.160 with whatever results, sometimes good, sometimes not. But then guy, 1:03:29.200 --> 1:03:30.800 I'll be in the afternoon like, oh, let's gonn take 1:03:30.800 --> 1:03:37.000 a walk, and he let's go out and like starts calling, 1:03:38.120 --> 1:03:40.680 you know, to get a gobble, and it's like someone 1:03:40.680 --> 1:03:42.800 putting like a ton of pressure squeezing a zip man, 1:03:42.840 --> 1:03:49.680 because he just keep like very quietly, just like going going, going, going, going, going, 1:03:49.960 --> 1:03:53.520 going going, and all of a a sudden, like it's like 1:03:53.600 --> 1:03:56.680 the thing just like can't like he lays it out 1:03:56.680 --> 1:03:58.800 in the way that the bird just cannot help itself. 1:03:59.680 --> 1:04:01.360 Like when dude goes out, he's going to call in 1:04:01.360 --> 1:04:05.920 a turkey morning or afternoon? Is he tricking you with timing? 1:04:05.960 --> 1:04:09.600 So like the old times, the old timers, like the 1:04:09.600 --> 1:04:11.360 old timers like we were always the young bucks, like 1:04:11.400 --> 1:04:12.720 get up, you want to hear all the birds on 1:04:12.760 --> 1:04:14.920 the rust. Just get that, you know that fun in 1:04:14.960 --> 1:04:16.880 And then the old timer he's like back at camp 1:04:16.880 --> 1:04:19.880 eating breakfast, drinking his coffee. He's gonna let all of 1:04:19.960 --> 1:04:21.520 us come back, take our nap. He's gonna go out 1:04:21.600 --> 1:04:23.560 noon and kill the bird. This isn't the old This 1:04:23.600 --> 1:04:26.120 isn't the old noon trick. This is like the this 1:04:26.200 --> 1:04:29.560 is like the four or five o'clock. Not he's just 1:04:29.560 --> 1:04:31.720 gonna get him. He's just a good he just like 1:04:32.320 --> 1:04:35.720 I don't know, he's good. Talks turkey experience. That's what 1:04:35.760 --> 1:04:39.080 it comes down to. Does he do anything different, Like 1:04:40.080 --> 1:04:41.800 you don't know, it's just the mood. I think it's 1:04:41.800 --> 1:04:45.480 like a lot of mood reading. Also, the dude lives 1:04:45.520 --> 1:04:48.600 on the property, right, Yeah, so he kind of knows 1:04:48.680 --> 1:04:51.720 like where people are, people meeting. Probably had some of 1:04:51.720 --> 1:04:54.560 the GPS trackers on that second and you didn't know it. 1:04:54.640 --> 1:04:57.000 So like we're just gonna keep but now, you know, 1:04:57.080 --> 1:04:58.640 kind of going back to what he said, like you know, 1:04:58.640 --> 1:05:00.960 even like scratching the leaves, like is there something that 1:05:01.000 --> 1:05:03.800 like a jake? You know, like do the different birds 1:05:03.840 --> 1:05:05.960 as they mature, do they start to hear different? Can 1:05:05.960 --> 1:05:08.840 they differentiate between like sounds? Like That's one of the 1:05:08.880 --> 1:05:10.480 things I've always I'm just kind of the nerd out 1:05:10.480 --> 1:05:12.320 there under the tree, like why can't I get this 1:05:12.360 --> 1:05:13.880 three year old bird to break away? But you have 1:05:14.000 --> 1:05:16.360 these jakes come running in. You know, of course they're 1:05:16.400 --> 1:05:18.560 they're hand up or whatnot. But you always wonder like 1:05:18.680 --> 1:05:21.320 is they mature, do they become smarter or do their 1:05:21.320 --> 1:05:24.800 ears become better? Or is it just truly uh, you know, 1:05:25.520 --> 1:05:27.200 I'm in any to breed all these hands, so I'm 1:05:27.240 --> 1:05:29.919 not worried about that hand that's over there in the brush. Um, 1:05:29.960 --> 1:05:32.120 you know, like, how do you break that code? Um, 1:05:32.120 --> 1:05:33.960 But that's why you know, I kind of mentioned timing 1:05:34.040 --> 1:05:36.680 because you know turkey hunting timing is here, like, go 1:05:36.800 --> 1:05:39.000 let all those hens go lay Now you have a board, 1:05:39.040 --> 1:05:40.800 asked Tom sitting out in the field or you know, 1:05:41.040 --> 1:05:42.959 I don't got anything to do. So now you strike 1:05:43.040 --> 1:05:45.360 them up at mid day, and that Tom more so 1:05:45.480 --> 1:05:48.040 than elk, more so than any other animal, just because 1:05:48.080 --> 1:05:50.360 the way that they have to lay on that on 1:05:50.400 --> 1:05:52.520 that clutch eggs. You know, it's like, Bam, you can 1:05:52.520 --> 1:05:54.360 get that Tom that you fought with all morning for 1:05:54.400 --> 1:05:56.000 the last week straight, but you go hit him at 1:05:56.040 --> 1:05:58.600 noon and that thing's gonna come in just like that. Yeah, 1:05:58.600 --> 1:06:00.400 I feel like it's we talked about this before, but 1:06:00.440 --> 1:06:03.840 it's like to not go out at daybreak feels dishonorable. 1:06:03.920 --> 1:06:07.120 I don't like it. Yeah, but then there's a lot 1:06:07.200 --> 1:06:09.440 said just like lay around, go out there at ten. 1:06:10.720 --> 1:06:12.320 But you feel like you're coming in in the middle 1:06:12.320 --> 1:06:18.360 of a conversation. I agree. Yeah, So tell people what's 1:06:18.360 --> 1:06:22.320 going on with Phelps game calls man, So, um, we 1:06:22.360 --> 1:06:25.800 announced what it was almost two weeks ago. Now that uh, yeah, 1:06:25.840 --> 1:06:31.800 you're my new boss. Can I call you? Boss. I 1:06:31.840 --> 1:06:35.400 would first say that we're colleagues, colleagues, co workers. We're 1:06:35.400 --> 1:06:39.080 co workers, so we we we're gonna be able to 1:06:39.120 --> 1:06:40.760 talk about turkey calls. Right, let's be the first time 1:06:40.800 --> 1:06:43.560 I can finally like talk about the turkey call. So 1:06:43.920 --> 1:06:46.720 August seventeenth, type me and dirt drove over last year 1:06:47.000 --> 1:06:50.400 or no, it's just me this time August talk about 1:06:50.400 --> 1:06:52.480 this turkey call line that we had tried to launch 1:06:53.080 --> 1:06:54.959 I think two years ago and never really got feet 1:06:54.960 --> 1:06:58.320 off the ground. And um, I was here and I 1:06:58.320 --> 1:07:01.040 think Garrett at that time went took out the breakfast. Hey, 1:07:01.080 --> 1:07:03.240 would you ever be interested in, you know, talking about 1:07:03.240 --> 1:07:06.560 selling folps game calls? And I remember that distinctly. No, 1:07:06.880 --> 1:07:09.480 I'm not interested. You did, Yeah, I never heard that. Yeah, 1:07:09.480 --> 1:07:11.240 So I tell Garrett, No, Dirk Durham, were you there 1:07:11.240 --> 1:07:14.840 for that conversation. We're sitting out there at the at 1:07:14.920 --> 1:07:17.960 the Western on the sidewalk eating breakfast, and I don't know. 1:07:17.960 --> 1:07:20.400 We approached you and you were like, uhh no, so 1:07:20.600 --> 1:07:22.480 wait wait wait we got wait like four more hours. 1:07:22.760 --> 1:07:27.840 So then you're not a man of convictions. No, no, well, 1:07:27.880 --> 1:07:30.720 I you know it's like it's maybe playing your cards right, 1:07:30.720 --> 1:07:32.200 like you don't want to just come out like heck, yeah, 1:07:32.240 --> 1:07:34.160 I'm looking to maybe move on or do something. I 1:07:34.240 --> 1:07:36.040 thought maybe you sent the guys out to like go 1:07:36.200 --> 1:07:39.960 feel out films testing waters a little bit. So I'm like, no, 1:07:40.080 --> 1:07:42.200 not really, I'm I'm kind of happy where we're at. 1:07:42.200 --> 1:07:43.840 I'd love to, you know, get this project going with 1:07:43.840 --> 1:07:46.680 you guys though, And then fast forward like four hours later, 1:07:46.760 --> 1:07:48.800 we go to lunch with Josh and Garrett and Josh 1:07:48.800 --> 1:07:50.919 brings the question up. I'm like, yeah, I mean i'd 1:07:50.920 --> 1:07:52.720 be willing to entertain it, like what it looks like, 1:07:52.760 --> 1:07:55.560 it's not just and then it got some legs from there, 1:07:55.560 --> 1:08:00.000 and um, I remember like on the mountain all September, uh, 1:08:00.200 --> 1:08:03.080 like I was with Yanni in Colorado and they're like yeah, Josh, 1:08:03.080 --> 1:08:04.600 like yeah, you onnly. I don't know if he knows yet, 1:08:04.640 --> 1:08:06.000 like you know, we don't need to talk about it, 1:08:06.000 --> 1:08:07.560 so like we're sitting here hunting, like I don't know 1:08:07.560 --> 1:08:09.400 if your honest knows at this time I'm supposed to 1:08:09.440 --> 1:08:11.720 say anything. And then by time we get like to 1:08:11.800 --> 1:08:14.919 New Mexico, Um, like I'm sending like trying to sign 1:08:14.960 --> 1:08:16.840 PDF so that we can open the books up, and 1:08:16.880 --> 1:08:19.640 so it was throughout the fall. I've spent pretty much 1:08:19.640 --> 1:08:21.240 the last four or five months in my life like 1:08:21.280 --> 1:08:24.840 getting this deal kind of straight with everybody, and uh yeah, 1:08:25.040 --> 1:08:27.400 and now we're here with kind of what launched this 1:08:27.439 --> 1:08:31.040 whole thing and releasing the Meat Eater X folks Um 1:08:31.080 --> 1:08:34.360 Turkey co line. Yeah, and you're gonna, um, you're staying 1:08:34.360 --> 1:08:36.519 on board. That was a stipulation. Oh yeah, yeah, no, 1:08:36.880 --> 1:08:41.000 And that's remember you're saying you'd signed a twenty year contract. 1:08:40.520 --> 1:08:43.720 I wanted to. I'm worried they said five years. And 1:08:43.720 --> 1:08:45.559 I think I'm gonna once they got everything from me there, 1:08:45.560 --> 1:08:48.320 gonna kick me to the curtain. I'm just but no, 1:08:48.840 --> 1:08:51.160 it's good. Um, you know. I I'm one of those guys. 1:08:51.160 --> 1:08:53.040 I described the situation like, you know, back with Howie 1:08:53.040 --> 1:08:55.360 Mandel around, like let's make a deal, Like I'm the guy. 1:08:55.400 --> 1:08:57.679 As soon as that got like six figures on the board, 1:08:57.680 --> 1:08:59.360 I was running, you know. And so it's like I 1:08:59.400 --> 1:09:01.800 put a lot of work in and with the kids 1:09:01.880 --> 1:09:03.400 kind of growing up and stuff, it's like, man, I 1:09:03.439 --> 1:09:06.479 would you know what the help that the meatter team 1:09:06.560 --> 1:09:09.519 can give me? And it's still like, you know, whether 1:09:09.520 --> 1:09:11.759 we want to dive deep into it, like the financial side, 1:09:11.800 --> 1:09:14.920 like every year, like no matter how successful were, it's like, man, 1:09:14.960 --> 1:09:17.320 here we are again, like getting ready for next year 1:09:17.360 --> 1:09:19.880 and like the bank accounts draw you know, to produce 1:09:19.920 --> 1:09:22.360 that next year. And it was a little bit of like, man, 1:09:22.400 --> 1:09:24.200 we're doing a great job. We have We're turning big 1:09:24.240 --> 1:09:26.080 numbers everyhere. But it's just like the financial stress and 1:09:26.080 --> 1:09:28.760 so like talking with you know, the team getting through there, 1:09:28.760 --> 1:09:29.880 I'm like, man, I think this is where I want 1:09:29.880 --> 1:09:30.880 to go. I want to have a little bit more 1:09:30.880 --> 1:09:33.280 of my life back. Um, all my kids know is 1:09:33.320 --> 1:09:35.200 this business is we me and me, my wife have 1:09:35.600 --> 1:09:38.240 you know, with what friends and family have built this thing. 1:09:38.320 --> 1:09:41.000 And it's just basically I want to you enjoy this 1:09:41.000 --> 1:09:42.519 this little bit and and still do a lot of 1:09:42.520 --> 1:09:45.520 the cool stuff. And um, you know, I had two diabetics. 1:09:45.560 --> 1:09:47.400 My wife and my son are both Type one like 1:09:47.560 --> 1:09:49.920 juvenile on set, and so like I couldn't leave my 1:09:49.920 --> 1:09:52.439 state job. Like there were all these things and and 1:09:52.520 --> 1:09:54.720 like it couldn't have been more perfect. Like when we 1:09:54.720 --> 1:09:57.320 started talking to the meat Eater team, like man, you know, 1:09:57.479 --> 1:09:59.320 the benefits are good, this is good, this is good, 1:09:59.560 --> 1:10:01.880 and it's just gonna work out. As we've mentioned in 1:10:02.200 --> 1:10:03.479 some of the other things, like it's the right team, 1:10:03.560 --> 1:10:06.000 I think to grow this thing and do some cool stuff. 1:10:06.040 --> 1:10:09.559 So when I would tell people about what we're leading 1:10:09.640 --> 1:10:12.320 up to, and I would talk about how, you know, 1:10:12.720 --> 1:10:16.799 how you guys are such renowned callers and in somebody's 1:10:16.880 --> 1:10:19.000 kind of revolutionized the elk calling in a way and 1:10:19.040 --> 1:10:23.280 also grew up hunting like the hard elk yea like 1:10:23.360 --> 1:10:26.080 hunting the shittiest elk in the world. Yeah, you know, 1:10:26.439 --> 1:10:28.240 and like learned how to do that. But I'm really 1:10:28.280 --> 1:10:31.000 known to be the Yeah, it's really really tough elk. 1:10:31.439 --> 1:10:33.519 And I don't like the like the well go ahead. 1:10:33.520 --> 1:10:34.920 I mean, I don't want to throw any of the 1:10:35.200 --> 1:10:37.040 big hunters under the bus, you know. But you see, 1:10:37.080 --> 1:10:39.280 the back when we were growing up, the you know, 1:10:39.320 --> 1:10:42.160 the sportsman's channel, the the outdoor channel hunters, the big 1:10:42.160 --> 1:10:44.600 elk hunters we all looked up to. You can I 1:10:44.640 --> 1:10:48.519 mention names like you like the wild Primost. Yeah, they 1:10:48.520 --> 1:10:50.479 would go and film it at these famous ranches. Now 1:10:50.479 --> 1:10:52.439 there's anything wrong with going to the famous ranches, but yeah, 1:10:52.479 --> 1:10:54.080 so they you know, they were the elk hunters, like 1:10:54.120 --> 1:10:55.960 I looked up to Will like I watched as soon 1:10:56.000 --> 1:10:57.519 as the truth came out, Like I was driving to 1:10:57.600 --> 1:10:59.800 my local Sunbirds, I was buying the DVD, so I 1:10:59.840 --> 1:11:01.720 go popping in and watch it. And then as I 1:11:01.760 --> 1:11:03.960 grew up like spots where we were successful. You know, 1:11:04.400 --> 1:11:06.000 Dirk isn't in the same stuff. I mean, but he 1:11:06.280 --> 1:11:08.000 probably some of the other hardest elk in the world 1:11:08.000 --> 1:11:10.400 to hunt, aside from the coastal jungle. But you would 1:11:10.400 --> 1:11:13.640 watch these, you know, proclaimed olk hunters come and just 1:11:13.680 --> 1:11:16.120 get their butts kicked on the coast. You know, everything 1:11:16.120 --> 1:11:18.320 there wants to bite you, eat you. It's wet, it's 1:11:18.800 --> 1:11:22.120 and you know, people have just struggled on the coast 1:11:22.160 --> 1:11:24.360 to kill these you know, tiny st rows of belts 1:11:24.400 --> 1:11:26.200 in the world. You know, their bodies are huge, but 1:11:26.240 --> 1:11:28.200 we've got these little you know, I've killed meal deer 1:11:28.240 --> 1:11:30.240 that are bigger than most of my bulls I killed 1:11:30.280 --> 1:11:32.519 my backyard. But they are hard, hard elk to hunt, 1:11:32.560 --> 1:11:35.200 and so in the I mean, the densities are so 1:11:35.280 --> 1:11:39.679 much look like everything about it you can't see there. 1:11:39.960 --> 1:11:41.640 It's not like, oh, here comes the three hundred of 1:11:41.640 --> 1:11:43.240 them out into the alfalfa field. You know, it's just 1:11:43.320 --> 1:11:45.519 like a different kind of Yeah. And I grew up, 1:11:45.640 --> 1:11:47.800 you know, hunting industrial Timberland, So it wasn't any of 1:11:47.880 --> 1:11:50.400 the you know hunting down on the hayfield or down 1:11:50.439 --> 1:11:52.360 the off off of field. That was you know, beaten brush, 1:11:52.760 --> 1:11:54.640 you know, down on the bottom of big canyons, you know, 1:11:54.840 --> 1:11:58.519 Devil's club, anything that would bite you, poke you stab you, um, 1:11:58.640 --> 1:12:01.080 you know, ferns up to your chein. It was just that. 1:12:01.240 --> 1:12:03.720 That's how we grew up elk hunting. And you know, 1:12:03.800 --> 1:12:07.439 it's like I loved it, but it was definitely tough, 1:12:07.640 --> 1:12:10.439 especially you know, getting to start hunting milk all over 1:12:10.479 --> 1:12:12.160 the West. Now, I'm like, man, that was that was 1:12:12.280 --> 1:12:13.720 tough compared to some of the other stufe. You might 1:12:13.720 --> 1:12:16.000 as well just leave your binoculars in your truck. Um, 1:12:16.240 --> 1:12:19.160 it's just that kind of hunt. And he's Washington every year. 1:12:19.280 --> 1:12:21.160 I haven't. I've got a lot of pressure to come 1:12:21.200 --> 1:12:23.560 back though, Like it's, oh, yeah, you gotta go to 1:12:23.600 --> 1:12:25.680 all these other states and draw these tags and do this, 1:12:25.840 --> 1:12:27.400 and and there's a lot of pressure on me, I think, 1:12:27.439 --> 1:12:29.320 to eventually come back. And that was the last time 1:12:29.320 --> 1:12:32.400 you hunt in Washington. Two. You don't have this little 1:12:32.880 --> 1:12:34.960 you don't have little local honey hooles. So I I 1:12:35.120 --> 1:12:37.000 take that back, like for myself the last time two 1:12:37.000 --> 1:12:39.840 thirteen when when some hunting partners or stuff will get 1:12:39.840 --> 1:12:41.479 like a muzzler tag and I've got time, will go 1:12:41.560 --> 1:12:44.479 out and so, um, you know, my wife drew a 1:12:44.520 --> 1:12:47.240 good tag and seventeen so I hunted there. But you know, 1:12:47.320 --> 1:12:50.519 it's only had so much time up until now with vacation, 1:12:50.600 --> 1:12:53.639 you know, and trying to squeeze the hunts in. So um, yeah, 1:12:53.680 --> 1:12:56.240 I'll eventually come back and hunt, you know home. I 1:12:56.280 --> 1:12:58.599 have a hunted with my dad um and my uncle's 1:12:59.080 --> 1:13:01.080 um for a long time. Um, you know, aside from 1:13:01.080 --> 1:13:02.960 like a weekend trip maybe to just go out with them. 1:13:03.000 --> 1:13:04.560 So I want to get back and you do that 1:13:04.680 --> 1:13:06.840 once before they get too old. When I talk to 1:13:06.960 --> 1:13:08.720 people about it too, I would say, like, man, he 1:13:08.800 --> 1:13:11.240 built the business in his backyard, you know, And I 1:13:11.360 --> 1:13:14.840 mean and by that, I mean he built a business 1:13:14.840 --> 1:13:19.680 in his backyard. No, it was I shouldn't even tell 1:13:19.680 --> 1:13:21.760 on myself because it's a little embarrassing, but it was 1:13:21.880 --> 1:13:23.640 just that it was the way we had to do it. 1:13:23.760 --> 1:13:27.160 Like we'd go to package calls and you know, my 1:13:27.320 --> 1:13:29.600 mom or my wife. They were doing the majority of 1:13:29.640 --> 1:13:32.320 the packaging. Um, and like they would go into my 1:13:32.400 --> 1:13:35.040 closet like I had I had, uh, you know, like 1:13:35.160 --> 1:13:38.360 my racks of finished calls were like sitting in my closet, 1:13:38.439 --> 1:13:40.960 like here's the here's the clothes that I wear to work, 1:13:41.120 --> 1:13:42.960 and then here's like the calls that we need to 1:13:42.960 --> 1:13:44.760 send out. Like as it grew, and that was just 1:13:44.880 --> 1:13:47.040 kind of what we had to do. We we started 1:13:47.080 --> 1:13:49.160 it all in the thirty six. By thirty it was 1:13:49.200 --> 1:13:51.760 literally my garage. We kicked all the vehicles out, kicked 1:13:51.800 --> 1:13:53.760 everything out, all the four wheelers, everything, and like no, 1:13:53.920 --> 1:13:55.400 this is and we're gonna do this. We're gonna do 1:13:55.479 --> 1:13:58.479 it this way, and we made it work. Some appointed 1:13:58.520 --> 1:14:01.479 out didn't he realized this, but it Someone pointed out 1:14:01.560 --> 1:14:06.400 to me too, Um that the customer service number was 1:14:06.439 --> 1:14:11.400 your cell phone is still we're in the process of 1:14:11.439 --> 1:14:14.000 getting that transferred over. But if if you call the 1:14:14.120 --> 1:14:16.240 number on the back of the packaging, and that's why 1:14:16.240 --> 1:14:18.320 I would always pretend like we're bigger than we were, 1:14:18.479 --> 1:14:22.720 right because you use an accent when you answer, Let 1:14:22.760 --> 1:14:24.639 me transfer that to Jason. If you need to talk 1:14:24.680 --> 1:14:27.400 to him. You know, like people are always surprised, like, oh, 1:14:27.479 --> 1:14:29.760 I didn't expect to get you on the line. I'm like, yeah, 1:14:30.120 --> 1:14:33.360 the customer service must afforded, like have the calls forwarded 1:14:33.400 --> 1:14:35.000 to me right now or something, because he didn't want 1:14:35.000 --> 1:14:37.640 to look that podunk that your cell phone number, but 1:14:37.760 --> 1:14:39.920 now my cell phone number. We're working on getting that 1:14:40.040 --> 1:14:42.120 change because it lives on all of our packaging. So 1:14:42.160 --> 1:14:45.160 it was easier just to get me a new phone number. Hious. 1:14:45.439 --> 1:14:47.800 He's not lying a body of mine, and I totally 1:14:47.880 --> 1:14:50.960 go get some fellows game calls. He had I don't 1:14:50.960 --> 1:14:53.840 know what what it was, but he had something. I said, 1:14:54.160 --> 1:14:55.599 he had a problem. I said, you should just call 1:14:55.640 --> 1:14:57.720 it the customer service. I'm sure they'll take care of you. 1:14:58.240 --> 1:14:59.840 And then he got back to me He's like, you know, 1:15:00.400 --> 1:15:05.160 I think I talked to Jason himself. I'm gonna I'm 1:15:05.160 --> 1:15:07.680 gonna just auto for it everything to Dirk, like quite 1:15:07.680 --> 1:15:10.000 a few of those two. So yeah, they're they're handled 1:15:10.040 --> 1:15:12.639 to start to handle most of the email customer service stuff. 1:15:12.640 --> 1:15:15.040 Though my numbers on there for some of that stuff, 1:15:15.479 --> 1:15:19.000 for like for dealers, but some people I think they 1:15:19.040 --> 1:15:21.880 just call numbers until they get somebody and they're like, 1:15:22.360 --> 1:15:27.600 who hey man saw on the internet. Yeah, but you 1:15:27.680 --> 1:15:29.840 know it was just cool. It's cool to be part 1:15:29.920 --> 1:15:33.120 of the family. Um, we were able to bring everybody along. Um, 1:15:33.400 --> 1:15:35.680 and a lot of people, I think, and maybe I 1:15:35.720 --> 1:15:37.840 can clear up from our side. Maybe you guys don't care, 1:15:37.920 --> 1:15:40.479 but like a lot of our followers may be different 1:15:40.520 --> 1:15:43.160 than than the meat followers. And I think the most 1:15:43.240 --> 1:15:45.120 asked question is, oh, you guys are gonna change. We're 1:15:45.160 --> 1:15:48.040 gonna become, you know, meat eater ish. And I've I've 1:15:48.080 --> 1:15:50.240 told everybody like it's been more important to you guys, 1:15:50.280 --> 1:15:51.439 and it has to me because I want to be 1:15:51.560 --> 1:15:52.960 able to like do some of the cool stuff you 1:15:53.040 --> 1:15:55.200 do or like why do you guys this post is cool? 1:15:55.200 --> 1:15:57.360 And like it's been more important to the people I've 1:15:57.400 --> 1:15:59.680 dealt with that we stay phelps game calls, we we 1:16:00.040 --> 1:16:02.560 is are a quick wit. We use our um you know, 1:16:02.680 --> 1:16:04.479 like you guys marketing, don't. They don't think we have 1:16:04.600 --> 1:16:06.640 quick No, No, I think you do, but like they 1:16:06.680 --> 1:16:09.200 want to. Yeah, I want to know what becoming meat 1:16:09.200 --> 1:16:11.439 eater ish means. I don't know what that. I don't 1:16:11.479 --> 1:16:14.160 know what they expect from that, but like it's been 1:16:14.280 --> 1:16:17.160 told to us multiple times, like we want you guys 1:16:17.240 --> 1:16:19.360 to make a post and maybe have a misspelled word 1:16:19.520 --> 1:16:25.040 or you know, like you want you to the polished me. 1:16:25.240 --> 1:16:29.000 You guys know how to spell and from them too good. 1:16:29.960 --> 1:16:32.200 There's probably some software you can do the just mixture 1:16:32.280 --> 1:16:35.280 that all the words get to spell man. Know. So 1:16:35.400 --> 1:16:38.599 it's you're gonna start throwing around salient. I don't. Actually, 1:16:39.360 --> 1:16:41.280 so you guys in all your big words like super 1:16:41.360 --> 1:16:45.600 intimidating for for a guy from Po. Uh so, no, no, 1:16:46.560 --> 1:16:48.720 uh so you always been into elk, but how long 1:16:48.760 --> 1:16:51.360 have you been into turkey hunt? I end up talking 1:16:51.360 --> 1:16:54.400 to somebody this morning. I probably my passion was probably 1:16:54.479 --> 1:16:56.719 higher for turkeys early on than it was for elk. 1:16:57.439 --> 1:16:59.479 It was more, it was more attainable. Um you know, 1:16:59.520 --> 1:17:02.120 I would grew up a rifle elk hunter. Um so 1:17:02.320 --> 1:17:04.640 as a kid, like calling to turkeys was the thing. 1:17:04.720 --> 1:17:06.960 And so I remember in junior high like I was 1:17:07.040 --> 1:17:08.360 a nerd that would sit and print off like a 1:17:08.439 --> 1:17:10.760 hundred page report on like calling turkeys, and like read 1:17:10.800 --> 1:17:12.439 through it and then try to mimic you know, what 1:17:12.560 --> 1:17:14.759 was out there. And so you know, my first passion 1:17:14.840 --> 1:17:17.720 may have been turkeys before I got crazy into elk calling. Um, 1:17:18.240 --> 1:17:20.360 you know, my my turkey call collection, Like I still 1:17:20.439 --> 1:17:22.880 have a big Ammo case full of just all the 1:17:22.920 --> 1:17:24.920 turkey calls. I would buy way more than I needed 1:17:25.000 --> 1:17:28.160 and and um around home. It was tough though, because 1:17:28.240 --> 1:17:30.760 we have probably the hardest turkey in the world to hunt. 1:17:30.800 --> 1:17:32.759 And I'm I'm saying that without doing a bunch of research. 1:17:32.880 --> 1:17:35.120 But in the Washington State, they have three species. We 1:17:35.200 --> 1:17:38.320 have the Easterns, the Rio, and the Merriam. They decided 1:17:38.360 --> 1:17:39.680 to put the Easterns on the west side of the 1:17:39.680 --> 1:17:41.760 state where I live, where it's wet and very very 1:17:41.840 --> 1:17:45.040 poor light reproduction rate. UM, so a lot of what's 1:17:45.080 --> 1:17:47.880 left there. But I mean, we would spend our entire 1:17:48.560 --> 1:17:50.479 March April just trying to find one or two birds 1:17:50.560 --> 1:17:53.200 to hunt. Um. And so just finding him was a 1:17:53.240 --> 1:17:55.280 tough part. Calling him in and killing was actually way 1:17:55.360 --> 1:17:58.120 easier than finding him because the hand numbers were so low. 1:17:59.280 --> 1:18:00.760 You just start crying kind on a yelp, and that 1:18:00.840 --> 1:18:03.720 bird was at your feet. Um. And so we kind of, 1:18:03.960 --> 1:18:05.840 you know, cut our teeth on some of those those 1:18:05.880 --> 1:18:08.240 birds that were extremely tough to hunt. And then as 1:18:08.280 --> 1:18:10.000 I got older, got a car I got to drive 1:18:10.080 --> 1:18:12.680 over to eastern Washington. The places is pretty damn good, 1:18:12.720 --> 1:18:14.599 and like, all right, this is what real turkey hunt 1:18:14.640 --> 1:18:16.439 supposed to be. You know, you could get on a bird, 1:18:16.520 --> 1:18:18.240 switch birds, you know, four or five times in the 1:18:18.320 --> 1:18:21.679 morning and get a ton of experience real quick. It's 1:18:22.320 --> 1:18:25.519 it's interesting how turkeys went for so many people in 1:18:25.600 --> 1:18:29.599 the country, particularly in the West and in the far north, 1:18:29.800 --> 1:18:34.280 where he didn't have like our dads weren't didn't hunt turkeys, 1:18:34.520 --> 1:18:39.000 you know. So in Michigan, I remember early on, I 1:18:39.000 --> 1:18:41.080 remember when I still lived there, that there'd be draw 1:18:41.200 --> 1:18:44.639 tags right now. You hunt the whole, you know, pretty 1:18:44.720 --> 1:18:46.479 much matter where you living, get a turkey tag and hunt. 1:18:47.000 --> 1:18:48.880 But being like a big deal, like someone got a 1:18:48.880 --> 1:18:52.000 turkey tag, they're driving up north to turkey. And I 1:18:52.120 --> 1:18:56.040 left around that time, so I never hunted turkeys as 1:18:56.040 --> 1:18:59.479 a kid. And then even when I moved to Western Montana, 1:18:59.520 --> 1:19:03.240 I remember when the unit's out there, I put in 1:19:03.400 --> 1:19:04.880 one year and drew a tag when it was like 1:19:04.920 --> 1:19:09.360 they were giving out like twenty tags up in the region, 1:19:09.439 --> 1:19:12.640 one or two or something portions of it, right and 1:19:12.840 --> 1:19:14.840 and no one knew about it, and drawn the thing 1:19:16.520 --> 1:19:20.840 and no like no being raised in the north and 1:19:20.920 --> 1:19:25.640 living out west, sort of like no institutional knowledge about it, right, 1:19:25.720 --> 1:19:27.840 it wasn't raised by a turkey hunter, and and so 1:19:27.960 --> 1:19:30.920 many guys in the Southeast and areas of the South, 1:19:31.840 --> 1:19:34.000 it just has always been a thing. They never missed 1:19:34.040 --> 1:19:36.840 the seasons. But in these places where turkeys had to 1:19:36.880 --> 1:19:40.040 be reintroduced or flat out introduced, it was as much. 1:19:40.560 --> 1:19:44.840 So I feel like I've kind of almost discovered it 1:19:46.479 --> 1:19:49.000 and study it in a way where even though I've 1:19:49.000 --> 1:19:51.600 been doing it for a long time now, it's like 1:19:51.840 --> 1:19:54.880 still feels kind of new. There's still an excitement about it. Um. 1:19:55.160 --> 1:19:57.599 I think I didn't kill my first turkey. I mean, 1:19:57.600 --> 1:20:02.200 I'm forty seven now, so I've been hunting turkeys every 1:20:02.320 --> 1:20:06.559 year very avidly for twenty years, which sounds like, oh, 1:20:06.640 --> 1:20:09.600 that's long career of turkey hunting, But to me, it 1:20:09.640 --> 1:20:12.320 still feels new because I just like grow up with it, 1:20:12.439 --> 1:20:14.960 you know. Yeah, I've I've been so busy on the 1:20:15.000 --> 1:20:17.080 big game side, Like I haven't turkey hunted for like 1:20:17.160 --> 1:20:19.559 the last six years, um, you know, And so I'm 1:20:19.560 --> 1:20:21.479 excited to get a chance to get back out there 1:20:21.520 --> 1:20:24.240 and spend a couple of weeks chasing birds again. But yeah, 1:20:24.280 --> 1:20:27.360 it's it's the same way, like more even more so 1:20:27.560 --> 1:20:29.479 than elk, like nobody being an arch real hunter and 1:20:29.560 --> 1:20:31.759 knowing how to call to them, Like Turkey was completely foreign. 1:20:31.840 --> 1:20:34.880 We had nobody local that hunted him. Nobody knew how 1:20:34.920 --> 1:20:36.720 to give us any tips. And so it's like you 1:20:36.760 --> 1:20:38.360 just went to the internet, like hey, how do you 1:20:38.520 --> 1:20:40.760 what do you do? How do you make sounds? Once again, 1:20:40.920 --> 1:20:42.680 Will Primos in the Truth was like, all right, I 1:20:42.720 --> 1:20:44.720 can learn something from these guys and and try to 1:20:44.800 --> 1:20:46.479 employ some of this and and came up with their 1:20:46.479 --> 1:20:48.599 own strategies. But heck, I don't even know. I mean, 1:20:48.640 --> 1:20:50.360 we've killed a lot of birds and we're really successful, 1:20:50.360 --> 1:20:51.760 but I don't even know if I'm if we're doing 1:20:51.800 --> 1:20:54.800 it right or whatever right is. Um, you know, we're 1:20:54.800 --> 1:20:56.800 just super aggressive like elk hunters. We get close, we 1:20:57.000 --> 1:20:59.519 scare bird, we get closer, we try it, and who 1:20:59.560 --> 1:21:12.479 knows if it's right. I'm gonna get yelled at for this. 1:21:12.560 --> 1:21:14.760 There's probably gonna slap me, But like to me, it's 1:21:14.920 --> 1:21:18.120 it's like elk hunting in in the spring, Like we 1:21:18.240 --> 1:21:20.920 use the same exact strategies. We locate them, we go 1:21:21.080 --> 1:21:24.679 get close. Aside from not having to you know, fluff 1:21:24.720 --> 1:21:27.200 the wind checker, um, it's pretty much the same game, 1:21:27.840 --> 1:21:29.599 um for a lot of parts. And so I love 1:21:29.680 --> 1:21:31.720 that that being able to talk kind of control the 1:21:31.800 --> 1:21:34.719 bird and then be able to be aggressive remy warrants 1:21:34.760 --> 1:21:37.880 blood pressure is rising, right, he doesn't like that, but 1:21:38.400 --> 1:21:41.200 but I get it, yeah, because it's a it's an 1:21:41.240 --> 1:21:47.280 audio experience, um not grow. When we first started hunting 1:21:47.320 --> 1:21:52.680 turkeys and the I guess the mid nineties, uh, we did, 1:21:52.720 --> 1:21:54.360 like I guess anybody would you know, we go out 1:21:54.360 --> 1:21:56.880 and get a box call. I remember going out. We 1:21:56.960 --> 1:22:01.880 were so naive about it back then, getting a box calling, 1:22:01.960 --> 1:22:05.920 going out and not having chalk and pull over. I'm 1:22:05.920 --> 1:22:09.120 not kidding you, man, sitting there with my brother pulverizing 1:22:09.320 --> 1:22:16.960 sandstone with rocks into a dust that we could then 1:22:17.080 --> 1:22:18.880 rub on there to try to get some more notes 1:22:18.920 --> 1:22:24.080 out of it. I'm not joking, man, and then typically 1:22:24.520 --> 1:22:28.240 just losing patients and then doing belly crawls. Oh yeah. 1:22:28.720 --> 1:22:31.040 And it was fun over time because at first, like 1:22:31.120 --> 1:22:33.160 we would go out and we would glass them up 1:22:35.160 --> 1:22:37.639 and just kind of hang like almost like if you're 1:22:37.760 --> 1:22:39.280 you know again, like to go to the elk. Thing 1:22:39.320 --> 1:22:40.960 would be like the strategy of like kind of finding 1:22:41.080 --> 1:22:42.640 or heard seeing what they're doing, and trying to just 1:22:42.720 --> 1:22:44.880 like make something happen by nudging out in front of them. 1:22:45.439 --> 1:22:47.280 We would go out and and just try to like 1:22:47.439 --> 1:22:52.800 do stuff, ditch crawl and bush them, bush whack them, 1:22:53.479 --> 1:22:55.720 and then gradually being like, holy sh it, you can 1:22:55.800 --> 1:22:59.640 call these things in and how much and just how 1:22:59.720 --> 1:23:02.720 much fun it became and to be where now, Um, 1:23:03.920 --> 1:23:07.479 I just don't I don't bush whack them, Like I 1:23:07.520 --> 1:23:10.360 don't bush whack them? Is there anything not that I won't? 1:23:11.320 --> 1:23:14.639 But it's not Maybe I kind of won't. You killed 1:23:14.680 --> 1:23:16.439 a cripple one year? Do you hear that jumped up? 1:23:17.000 --> 1:23:19.320 But that was crippled. See, even as a call maker, 1:23:19.439 --> 1:23:21.000 like as much as I want to show the calls off, 1:23:21.080 --> 1:23:23.240 there's something that I absolutely love about being able to 1:23:23.280 --> 1:23:26.280 sneak in on a on a flock of turkeys. Um, 1:23:26.439 --> 1:23:28.680 you know, And I'm gonna put this claim out there. 1:23:28.720 --> 1:23:30.400 It's not necessarily the safest way, because who knows if 1:23:30.439 --> 1:23:32.160 somebody's calling do them. But if you know you're in 1:23:32.200 --> 1:23:34.160 a patch of timber or a wooded area, you know, 1:23:34.280 --> 1:23:35.720 or an area that there's not a bunch of other 1:23:35.760 --> 1:23:38.639 turkey hunters. Um, I love to like do that call 1:23:38.720 --> 1:23:41.320 and you know, sneak calling sneak and calling sneak and 1:23:41.360 --> 1:23:43.439 then you know, eventually you know, kind of fool their 1:23:43.479 --> 1:23:46.200 eyes and ears as well aside from calling. So I 1:23:46.240 --> 1:23:48.320 still as much I do, like you said, love to 1:23:48.360 --> 1:23:50.880 call him in I there's still something about like tracking 1:23:50.920 --> 1:23:54.879 a turkey down and like beating his maybe his best defense, sneaky, 1:23:55.160 --> 1:23:58.479 sneaky hunter if you can sneak up to within shotgun 1:23:58.640 --> 1:24:01.960 range of a turkey. I'm bill for being sneaky at 1:24:02.000 --> 1:24:08.240 the right size and stature. No, it's it's fun. I 1:24:08.320 --> 1:24:10.800 love calling them, but um, you know it's like there's 1:24:10.800 --> 1:24:12.920 there's part of me it still sometimes like especially once 1:24:12.960 --> 1:24:15.040 they get me a couple of times, I'm frustrated. I'm 1:24:15.040 --> 1:24:18.040 just gonna go track you down and kill you. What. 1:24:18.800 --> 1:24:20.680 When we were working on so we set to a 1:24:20.720 --> 1:24:23.920 project a while ago of doing um because we're all 1:24:24.040 --> 1:24:30.000 huge like here us folks that spell real good, are slow, 1:24:30.560 --> 1:24:37.800 slow witted, are oh boy, very interested in turkey hunting, 1:24:38.160 --> 1:24:39.800 And so we hit out an idea to try to 1:24:39.880 --> 1:24:41.960 start trying to like work up that we would have 1:24:42.760 --> 1:24:46.040 like a line of turkey calls that and I think 1:24:46.040 --> 1:24:49.320 we talked about would be that, Um, I like to 1:24:49.400 --> 1:24:52.360 think about and then doing it stuffing like gets people 1:24:52.439 --> 1:24:55.120 up and running for me, because earlier I was telling 1:24:55.160 --> 1:24:56.760 the story of just trying to like figure it out, 1:24:57.400 --> 1:25:01.000 you know, and learn how to be like basically proficient 1:25:01.160 --> 1:25:03.760 because you could be a phenomenal caller that I was 1:25:03.760 --> 1:25:06.400 talking about, guys up being a phenomenal caller. But I'm 1:25:06.400 --> 1:25:10.200 almost kind of surprised by the fact that every spring, 1:25:12.479 --> 1:25:17.599 I like, dumb ask me, like, every spring, I'm able 1:25:17.680 --> 1:25:24.200 to kill a handful of turkeys by a combination of, um, 1:25:25.240 --> 1:25:30.439 understanding the birds work in the habitat right, like taking 1:25:30.479 --> 1:25:34.640 their mood, but also just being able to do the 1:25:35.040 --> 1:25:37.960 like at the right time the right amount of calling, 1:25:38.520 --> 1:25:41.280 you know. And that's been hard to learn, man. And 1:25:41.360 --> 1:25:44.080 I think that the and and learning how to like 1:25:44.240 --> 1:25:48.760 just get like basically proficient at calls can be a 1:25:48.880 --> 1:25:52.599 challenging process. Um, I like trying to be pretty open 1:25:52.640 --> 1:25:54.200 about the fact that, like it's not like I just 1:25:54.240 --> 1:25:57.000 pick them up and kick ass, but I've got to 1:25:57.040 --> 1:25:59.360 the point where with the right stuff I can make 1:25:59.400 --> 1:26:03.240 the right noise and kill turkeys. And I think that's 1:26:03.479 --> 1:26:06.280 that's important to note, is everybody picks one up and 1:26:06.320 --> 1:26:08.160 if they need to be the best. It's like, as 1:26:08.600 --> 1:26:11.560 you know, as the interview earlier, you just need to 1:26:12.040 --> 1:26:14.800 I think cadence is important and as you mentioned, you know, 1:26:14.960 --> 1:26:16.599 being in the right spot at the right time, making 1:26:16.640 --> 1:26:20.800 the right decisions, um, being you know, extremely patient. Like 1:26:20.920 --> 1:26:22.880 I'm not very patient, so it's it's ruined a lot 1:26:22.920 --> 1:26:24.519 of turkey hunts for me or where I would have 1:26:24.560 --> 1:26:27.519 been successful quicker. But yeah, I don't think you need 1:26:27.560 --> 1:26:29.560 to be able to pick these up and be the 1:26:29.600 --> 1:26:31.240 best caller out there. You don't need to be you know, 1:26:31.320 --> 1:26:33.880 willing or able to go you know, take first or 1:26:33.920 --> 1:26:35.920 second on the stage or whatever it may be. You 1:26:36.040 --> 1:26:37.560 just need to be able to make the sounds and 1:26:37.840 --> 1:26:40.280 be more confident in making the sounds. That was the 1:26:40.320 --> 1:26:43.560 point I wanted to make, man, is uh, getting to 1:26:43.680 --> 1:26:48.640 that level of confidence where when you're in a good situation, um, 1:26:49.080 --> 1:26:51.000 having the confidence and then do what you need to 1:26:51.080 --> 1:26:54.640 do because like you just don't want to do it 1:26:54.720 --> 1:26:57.439 and have like some crazy sound that's just so far 1:26:57.560 --> 1:27:00.400 off it's not gonna work. But getting to where you're comfortable, like, 1:27:00.640 --> 1:27:04.639 at the right moment, I'll be able to do it. Yeah, 1:27:04.680 --> 1:27:07.280 there's a lot of cocky. Yeah. I think a lot 1:27:07.320 --> 1:27:09.559 of guys will get set up and they're so scared 1:27:09.600 --> 1:27:11.240 to make a sound. They're like, well, we'll just take 1:27:11.240 --> 1:27:13.200 our chances, like if that bird decides to walk by, 1:27:13.240 --> 1:27:15.040 will kill him. If not, we're just not gonna make 1:27:15.040 --> 1:27:17.360 a sound, you know. Um, And they'll just be silent. 1:27:17.400 --> 1:27:18.559 And I'm like, well, you at least need to get 1:27:18.600 --> 1:27:21.000 to the point where on whether it's a box, a pot, like, 1:27:21.880 --> 1:27:23.080 you know something, you need to be able to at 1:27:23.120 --> 1:27:24.960 least make a sound so that bird knows you're there 1:27:25.120 --> 1:27:26.960 and and draws their attention to U spot. Otherwise just 1:27:27.000 --> 1:27:30.000 sitting there. You know, your chances are are really low. 1:27:30.280 --> 1:27:32.439 I think you know, I'm actually wearing my meat or 1:27:32.479 --> 1:27:34.760 T shirt right now. That shows the probability of a 1:27:34.840 --> 1:27:39.280 turkey just walking by you if you do nothing. What's that? 1:27:39.360 --> 1:27:42.400 What's the percentage? It just depends, but it winds up 1:27:42.439 --> 1:27:44.320 being in this scenario, I think you have like a 1:27:44.439 --> 1:27:48.360 nine percent chance that he'll just walk by, younge. It's 1:27:48.400 --> 1:27:51.879 like all the computations to figure out, um it's distance 1:27:52.040 --> 1:27:56.840 from you. You just sit there and it's distance from you. 1:27:57.160 --> 1:27:59.679 And if you factor in this all these kind of things, 1:27:59.760 --> 1:28:02.080 what the odds it will pass within shotgun range at 1:28:02.120 --> 1:28:08.840 various distances as it goes about it roost. It's coming 1:28:08.880 --> 1:28:13.320 from a fixed a fixed point you call, you crawl 1:28:13.360 --> 1:28:15.240 into seventy yards? This is the question. You can see 1:28:15.280 --> 1:28:17.120 that we have a lot of different that's that, that's 1:28:17.200 --> 1:28:19.960 this computated Yeah, that's a turkey on there. That's a 1:28:20.040 --> 1:28:22.519 computation the same thing. And be that you crawl within 1:28:22.680 --> 1:28:25.360 seventy yards of a turkey on its roost and do nothing? 1:28:27.000 --> 1:28:29.200 What are the odds that will pass within shotgun range? 1:28:30.280 --> 1:28:34.120 So thirty yards on either side of you? Yeah, I 1:28:34.160 --> 1:28:36.679 think it was like nine. Or I had a guy 1:28:36.960 --> 1:28:39.439 I was cleaning fish one day in Michigan and there's 1:28:39.439 --> 1:28:43.840 a guy looking at this shirt and he says, you 1:28:43.920 --> 1:28:52.120 know that's wrong, And he's the one that sent I 1:28:52.200 --> 1:28:55.479 can't remember one of these around here's the one he sent. Oh, 1:28:55.560 --> 1:28:57.559 I didn't know that those aren't from the same purpose. 1:28:57.600 --> 1:28:59.640 He's like, he goes, I see what they're doing, but 1:28:59.720 --> 1:29:02.160 I do it that way. And he sent us a 1:29:02.240 --> 1:29:06.439 new formula. It's somewhere around here. Either way, it's it's 1:29:06.520 --> 1:29:12.400 better to try to do something. It's better to try something. 1:29:12.880 --> 1:29:15.080 In order to try something, you gotta have the confidence 1:29:15.160 --> 1:29:19.479 to do it. So when you're going to talk about 1:29:19.520 --> 1:29:21.760 making calls, a little bit like what like how you 1:29:21.880 --> 1:29:23.519 make them? What the hell is the turkey call? So 1:29:24.920 --> 1:29:27.280 like specifics because I mean, I talk through the whole 1:29:27.320 --> 1:29:30.040 walk through the whole arsenal. So there's there's multiple ways 1:29:30.160 --> 1:29:32.160 to get to what sounds like a turkey. And I'm 1:29:32.200 --> 1:29:34.800 not gonna you know, I'm not gonna say that I 1:29:35.680 --> 1:29:37.640 developed any of this. It's trying to perfect it and 1:29:37.720 --> 1:29:40.040 make it sound right and most of all easy to use. 1:29:40.160 --> 1:29:43.559 But in this lineup, we've got a box call, which 1:29:43.640 --> 1:29:45.880 is maybe the oldest form of calling turkeys out there. 1:29:46.000 --> 1:29:48.679 You know, two pieces of wood, um, the friction between 1:29:48.760 --> 1:29:53.479 them making a turkey sound, a yelp sound, cluck per um. 1:29:53.560 --> 1:29:55.880 We've got diaphragms, which I think are probably the most 1:29:56.280 --> 1:29:59.519 popular out there. Um you know think so, I think, well, 1:30:00.000 --> 1:30:02.720 I think they're the most used. Um, maybe they're not 1:30:02.880 --> 1:30:06.600 the most popular, but they're the most used. Um, I 1:30:06.680 --> 1:30:08.640 think they were. They're the one that everybody aspires to 1:30:08.800 --> 1:30:11.200 because it's hands that's where I was gonna get. I mean, 1:30:11.320 --> 1:30:13.880 we're calling the burden. Like I've only ever called one 1:30:13.960 --> 1:30:15.680 bird into the gun with the box call, and I 1:30:15.760 --> 1:30:17.920 was scared to death. But it would only answer that 1:30:17.960 --> 1:30:20.080 one call because there's so much movement, Like you can't 1:30:20.439 --> 1:30:23.479 sit there and not make movement. Same with a pot call, 1:30:23.560 --> 1:30:26.000 like it works great, Um, but you gotta have set 1:30:26.040 --> 1:30:27.479 somebody up on the air side of the tree or 1:30:27.520 --> 1:30:29.760 away from you, or some deflection so that they're not 1:30:29.840 --> 1:30:32.800 looking at where the guns at. Um. But you got 1:30:32.880 --> 1:30:35.599 the diaphragms, and we've got the pot calls. So it's 1:30:35.680 --> 1:30:37.560 kind of when you look at the three if you 1:30:37.640 --> 1:30:39.080 just stick to the I mean there's other things too, 1:30:39.120 --> 1:30:42.519 like wingbone calls and all like little spring loaded boxes. 1:30:42.560 --> 1:30:45.320 But if you take those the standards, it's kind of 1:30:45.400 --> 1:30:51.600 amazing if you look at them, the wildly different technological 1:30:51.760 --> 1:30:58.080 approaches to produce similar sounds. Those similar sounds, like you 1:30:58.160 --> 1:31:00.040 think that they would all look like a lot like 1:31:00.160 --> 1:31:03.320 each other, but they're real different, look different. But I 1:31:03.439 --> 1:31:06.760 think that the imagine to help me here, Jason. But 1:31:06.880 --> 1:31:13.679 like the components are friction and then a chamber, Yeah, 1:31:13.720 --> 1:31:16.880 a sound chamber. Friction aside from the diaphragm, like there 1:31:16.920 --> 1:31:20.040 were just but all the other ones technically can fall 1:31:20.080 --> 1:31:23.640 into that group of like the slot calls, the pushpins, 1:31:23.720 --> 1:31:26.479 you know, all of that, um you know wingbone. Back 1:31:26.520 --> 1:31:27.880 in the day, I tried to make some you know, 1:31:27.920 --> 1:31:31.040 wingbone calls, and I mean that's that's just like air, um, 1:31:31.160 --> 1:31:33.400 you know, going through the three different leg sections. A 1:31:33.479 --> 1:31:36.880 guy sent me some beautiful wingbone pretty it's fun to mess. 1:31:37.000 --> 1:31:40.519 They sound good. I haven't given it the amount of time, 1:31:40.800 --> 1:31:42.840 but he sent me a video of him doing it. Yeah, 1:31:42.920 --> 1:31:45.040 he does nice little clocks on it. Got you. I've 1:31:45.040 --> 1:31:48.799 always wondered like if there's a uh you know, correlation 1:31:48.840 --> 1:31:51.479 between like how good they look and how good they sound, 1:31:51.600 --> 1:31:53.160 or because they can make him beautiful, But like does 1:31:53.200 --> 1:31:55.080 I think it's like it's like an it's like an 1:31:55.160 --> 1:31:57.840 artisan thing. Man, he like makes artism calls, but then 1:31:57.880 --> 1:32:00.519 he has gone out and killed turkeys with them. But 1:32:00.640 --> 1:32:05.080 it's it's very much. Um yeah, it's like it's more 1:32:05.120 --> 1:32:08.720 about craft. Yeah, yeah, I think than than than functionality. 1:32:08.800 --> 1:32:11.040 But it is interesting. You take a turkey's wingbone, chop 1:32:11.120 --> 1:32:12.880 it all up, reassemble it and suck on it and 1:32:12.960 --> 1:32:15.960 make like a turkey sound. Yeah, it's cool. I mean, 1:32:16.120 --> 1:32:18.479 you can all do that with a hollow stick probably too. Yeah, 1:32:18.640 --> 1:32:22.320 they've they've manufactured wingbone calls. To what you're doing on 1:32:22.360 --> 1:32:26.120 wingbo calls, you're basically like you're everything else is, you know, 1:32:26.280 --> 1:32:29.160 their mouth calls. You're blowing on a wingbone call, you're 1:32:29.920 --> 1:32:34.960 basically puckering and sucking. Yeah, it's like a reverse kiss almost. Yeah, 1:32:35.040 --> 1:32:36.559 it's like you put your mouth on this little tube 1:32:36.560 --> 1:32:39.160 and go. Yeah. I had said something going aside one 1:32:39.200 --> 1:32:40.760 time to do it, and I'm like it was just 1:32:40.880 --> 1:32:43.120 too too deep. And I'm like, man, you can only 1:32:43.160 --> 1:32:45.479 make certain sounds, and I'm just gonna stick with these ones. 1:32:45.560 --> 1:32:47.040 So I wouldn't it be interesting if you could go 1:32:47.160 --> 1:32:51.360 back in time for seventeen fifty, right, and I know, 1:32:51.479 --> 1:32:53.120 you know, you know, you know, you know, like the 1:32:53.200 --> 1:32:55.960 Frontiersman and Boone's Air, like they ate a lot of turkeys. 1:32:56.760 --> 1:32:58.639 You know, they did a lot of roof shooting and whatnot. 1:32:58.960 --> 1:33:02.479 But were those guys sitting out there sucking on wingbone 1:33:02.520 --> 1:33:05.640 calls or they have been and I shoot him out 1:33:05.640 --> 1:33:07.599 of the tree man the dark. I ain't back then 1:33:07.640 --> 1:33:09.639 when it's I think they're shooting out of the tree. 1:33:10.320 --> 1:33:13.120 They just want to eat them and mess around with them. 1:33:13.120 --> 1:33:16.160 This call and now it's frowned upon legal in most states. 1:33:16.560 --> 1:33:18.840 I think it was. Abernathy was telling me the story 1:33:19.800 --> 1:33:23.639 about an area where there was historically like very few turkeys. 1:33:24.560 --> 1:33:27.160 And he was saying that someone he knew or some 1:33:27.280 --> 1:33:30.160 relative at his has a story where they saw a 1:33:30.200 --> 1:33:34.920 turkey in a tree and came home all excited. They 1:33:34.960 --> 1:33:36.800 went back and shot the turkey down out of the 1:33:36.920 --> 1:33:40.120 tree and brought it home and it was a buzzard. 1:33:43.160 --> 1:33:46.479 But it's like, that's how rare turkeys were. Man, I 1:33:46.520 --> 1:33:48.360 don't as much as you guys just laughed. I don't 1:33:48.360 --> 1:33:50.000 want to know if I want to tell this next story. 1:33:50.400 --> 1:33:56.200 Oh please, I'm a buzzard shooter. When I was young. Um, 1:33:56.400 --> 1:33:58.479 one of the areas we've had lots of turkeys. I 1:33:58.600 --> 1:34:02.080 was probably high school senior, junior in high school. UM, 1:34:02.400 --> 1:34:03.800 me and my wife were going on a bike ride 1:34:03.880 --> 1:34:05.799 or something kind of just to go check on the turkeys. 1:34:05.880 --> 1:34:09.400 And sure enough, something flushed up into a tree and oh, 1:34:09.479 --> 1:34:11.800 there's birds here, Like you back out. I'm gonna run 1:34:11.840 --> 1:34:13.920 home and get a shotgun and I'll come back out. 1:34:15.200 --> 1:34:17.040 And that bird had dropped back down in the field 1:34:17.040 --> 1:34:19.920 and they kind of snuck through the field and that 1:34:20.040 --> 1:34:24.160 was stinky old buzzard. Man. But as you know, it 1:34:24.280 --> 1:34:26.760 was season, it was everything was and you know, ended 1:34:26.800 --> 1:34:28.920 up shooting my first buzzard. I don't want to go 1:34:29.000 --> 1:34:31.879 into detail, but I've had occasion to smell a buzzard 1:34:33.160 --> 1:34:37.240 and it's all their worldly orders. Oh they're disgusting. That's 1:34:37.240 --> 1:34:39.760 not good an So yeah, back to the call. So yeah, 1:34:39.760 --> 1:34:41.720 we've got the three different calls. Um, you know, when 1:34:41.720 --> 1:34:43.559 you go into a box call, you're trying to pair 1:34:43.720 --> 1:34:45.600 up two woods that worked well together. You know, you 1:34:45.640 --> 1:34:47.519 could have put walnut on the walnut. You could put 1:34:47.600 --> 1:34:50.040 you know, cherry walnut. And we're kind of the standards. 1:34:50.080 --> 1:34:53.120 You can get into the exotics. But um, like man, 1:34:53.840 --> 1:34:56.160 I think when we sat out, when we set out 1:34:56.240 --> 1:34:58.320 to make this call, we wanted it to be good looking. 1:34:58.479 --> 1:35:01.360 But then also more importantly for me and us, is 1:35:01.640 --> 1:35:03.280 it for it to sound good. And so there's a 1:35:03.360 --> 1:35:07.479 there's a nostalgia to box calls where they bring out 1:35:09.560 --> 1:35:13.160 there's the ornateness to them. Like oftentimes people touch a 1:35:13.200 --> 1:35:14.920 box calling, the first thing they comment on is it 1:35:14.960 --> 1:35:18.880 it's beautiful. Yeah, and I mean, well the listeners can't 1:35:18.920 --> 1:35:20.920 see this thing right now. Um, but I mean this 1:35:21.120 --> 1:35:23.800 is I keep my ear turned to the Turkey world 1:35:23.840 --> 1:35:25.760 and like pay attention to box Like this thing is 1:35:26.439 --> 1:35:28.160 is a piece of art, the one that we put 1:35:28.200 --> 1:35:30.599 together in it and it more importantly, it just sounds good. 1:35:30.640 --> 1:35:33.360 And so um is Steven mentioned earlier like one of 1:35:33.439 --> 1:35:35.320 the things you have to do to get this call 1:35:35.400 --> 1:35:38.120 to operate is you need to get the lid to 1:35:38.320 --> 1:35:42.040 grab to the sidewall of the box. Um. And so 1:35:42.200 --> 1:35:45.920 we use chalk to do so. And then um, as 1:35:45.960 --> 1:35:47.800 you swipe I'm looking at the calls, the right handed 1:35:47.840 --> 1:35:49.880 callor I'm gonna swip the paddle right to left, it 1:35:49.920 --> 1:35:53.040 will make contact higher up the box. Um. So you 1:35:53.080 --> 1:35:55.320 need that to be a little bit thicker because we 1:35:55.400 --> 1:35:58.040 need to get less vibration out of this sidewall. And 1:35:58.080 --> 1:36:00.160 then as it gets down towards the bottom, we we'll 1:36:00.200 --> 1:36:02.720 hear that call start to break over and that's where 1:36:02.720 --> 1:36:05.640 it gets thinner. People at people at home. Imagine if 1:36:05.680 --> 1:36:07.720 somehow you don't know what this is, Imagine you have 1:36:07.800 --> 1:36:12.599 a rectangular box with a wooden lid. Yep, but then 1:36:12.680 --> 1:36:14.840 the lid is fixed at one point, so the lid 1:36:14.960 --> 1:36:17.479 can just kind of slide back and forth. So we're 1:36:17.960 --> 1:36:28.120 sliding the lid across the lip of the box. And 1:36:28.600 --> 1:36:31.439 so you just be down right excited and then not 1:36:31.600 --> 1:36:34.040 to pat myself on the back. But these things come 1:36:34.080 --> 1:36:37.120 out of some you know, some routers, some three D routers, 1:36:37.160 --> 1:36:40.120 as close as possible. But there's no when you're building 1:36:40.160 --> 1:36:42.000 a call out of wood. It's not like this latex, 1:36:42.080 --> 1:36:44.760 which I can take every piece of latex speck it out. 1:36:44.800 --> 1:36:48.679 Oh yeah, it's point three inches exact. It's uniform wood 1:36:48.720 --> 1:36:51.519 as wood. And so here's the big crux of building 1:36:51.600 --> 1:36:54.080 a wood call that sounds good is that this thing 1:36:54.200 --> 1:36:56.639 might have grains that goes perfectly straight down the sidewall. 1:36:56.880 --> 1:36:58.800 It might have some sap wood in it, it might 1:36:58.880 --> 1:37:01.000 have some figure in am. I have a burrel on 1:37:01.120 --> 1:37:03.360 one side, and so here I am. After they'll come 1:37:03.400 --> 1:37:05.439 off of the machine. You have to literally tune one 1:37:05.520 --> 1:37:08.679 of these hand by hand, you know, one after another, 1:37:09.080 --> 1:37:11.519 each side by hand to get it both sides to 1:37:11.600 --> 1:37:13.640 run like a turkey. What does that process look like 1:37:13.680 --> 1:37:17.200 when you're doing that? So I get it's kind of 1:37:17.240 --> 1:37:20.160 like if you can imagine me being very angry at first, um, 1:37:20.360 --> 1:37:22.599 because I'm gonna I'm running the box way harder than 1:37:22.600 --> 1:37:24.280 I should. I'm really just trying to get that chalk 1:37:24.360 --> 1:37:26.760 to like bite into the grain and really just like 1:37:26.840 --> 1:37:29.439 fill the call up with chalk. And then you're listening, 1:37:29.600 --> 1:37:31.519 Like as you do it over time, you you get 1:37:31.560 --> 1:37:33.240 a pretty good ear for it. Like if it sounds 1:37:33.320 --> 1:37:35.760 like it's scratchy, like the box call I have is 1:37:35.800 --> 1:37:37.880 not tuned on the left side, So if I start 1:37:37.960 --> 1:37:42.920 to hear like wood versus would like a scratchy it's 1:37:42.960 --> 1:37:46.599 typically in the paddle. UM, So I'll take the paddle off, 1:37:46.640 --> 1:37:47.960 or I'll stand the paddle and try to get it 1:37:48.000 --> 1:37:49.880 to smooth out, or maybe there's like a little bit 1:37:49.920 --> 1:37:52.840 of a chunk out of the paddle. Um. If it's 1:37:52.880 --> 1:37:55.400 not like if the timing is not right, like hide 1:37:55.479 --> 1:37:58.360 to low, and like in Cadence, it's typically on the sidewall, 1:37:58.600 --> 1:38:00.360 so I'll go mess with the sidewall and then out 1:38:00.680 --> 1:38:03.960 a section and and it's kind of it's really an 1:38:04.080 --> 1:38:07.680 art to kind of hand tune these things. Now, we 1:38:07.840 --> 1:38:10.880 could set up the machine to just do all this perfectly, 1:38:11.000 --> 1:38:13.439 but once again it's would um. And so for me 1:38:13.640 --> 1:38:15.639 rather than throwing half of these boxes in the garbage, 1:38:15.640 --> 1:38:17.680 because I don't want to put your name, the meat 1:38:17.680 --> 1:38:19.360 eater name, or the Phelps name on them. I don't 1:38:19.360 --> 1:38:21.360 want to toss these all. What we do is we 1:38:21.439 --> 1:38:23.479 do kind of a conservative build on a box call. 1:38:23.600 --> 1:38:25.640 Give me a lot of meat in that wall, and 1:38:25.720 --> 1:38:28.080 all slowly stand my way into a call that sounds good. 1:38:28.479 --> 1:38:30.680 How long does it take you to tune one? Um, 1:38:30.880 --> 1:38:32.560 it really depends. Some of them will give me like 1:38:32.600 --> 1:38:34.519 a five to ten minute fit, like need a lot 1:38:34.560 --> 1:38:36.760 of work. Sometimes it's just a real quick you know, 1:38:36.880 --> 1:38:39.280 thirty swipes, ten swipes to get the angle right, and 1:38:39.360 --> 1:38:42.200 we're we will swipe, swipe, check and we're out in 1:38:42.240 --> 1:38:45.360 a minute. And you too, You always tune one wall. No, 1:38:45.760 --> 1:38:48.040 so on my personal call I brought here, I just 1:38:48.120 --> 1:38:49.920 tuned the right side because I'm right handed caller. That's 1:38:49.920 --> 1:38:52.600 the side I play most. Whether I'm I'm kind of 1:38:52.680 --> 1:38:54.720 the I don't know what you call us the tomahawk chop, 1:38:55.240 --> 1:38:57.080 like running it this way, or if I'm running it 1:38:57.240 --> 1:39:00.120 kind of flat style. Um, so the right side is 1:39:00.160 --> 1:39:02.519 what I play typically. But on every call we send out, 1:39:02.560 --> 1:39:05.040 we try to tune them to two different turkeys left 1:39:05.080 --> 1:39:08.080 and right, and make sure that both sides play um, 1:39:08.680 --> 1:39:13.160 and and everybody's a little bit different. Um. I kind 1:39:13.160 --> 1:39:14.840 of have a group of pre tuners that get me 1:39:14.960 --> 1:39:18.000 close so that I'm not so that I'm not doing 1:39:18.240 --> 1:39:22.080 the entire legwork myself, because five D seems like a 1:39:22.200 --> 1:39:24.439 big number. Maybe a small number, but it seems like 1:39:24.560 --> 1:39:26.800 it's a million when you're when it comes to like 1:39:26.920 --> 1:39:30.840 five box calls needing tuned, UM, that number becomes exponentially 1:39:30.840 --> 1:39:33.679 bigger than it really is one of your counting box calls. 1:39:34.120 --> 1:39:36.360 So if you want to touch something touched by the 1:39:36.479 --> 1:39:42.000 actual Jason Phelps right now, pull a fingerprint off. Oh 1:39:42.080 --> 1:39:44.120 I know all the mouth calls have been in his mouth? 1:39:44.560 --> 1:39:49.519 Oh yeah, we pretun all those. That's a that's a 1:39:49.520 --> 1:39:52.519 little call humor, that's no old that's an old call joke. 1:39:52.800 --> 1:39:55.360 The mouth calls have not been and felps his mouth. 1:39:55.520 --> 1:39:57.479 And then one of the things I do why we're 1:39:57.760 --> 1:40:00.519 we've got the time is is like tuning a box call, 1:40:01.000 --> 1:40:05.320 like showing up here to Montana and what relative humidity 1:40:05.680 --> 1:40:09.639 going to Washington to relative humidity. Um, there's a spring 1:40:09.760 --> 1:40:12.519 under the screw which the box call pivots on that 1:40:12.720 --> 1:40:16.160 can rattle around and rotate even in shipping or from 1:40:16.640 --> 1:40:18.840 you may need to adjust that and so well, I 1:40:18.880 --> 1:40:21.120 don't recommend you take your box call and get your 1:40:21.160 --> 1:40:23.800 Phillips head screw driver out before you start to play it. 1:40:24.000 --> 1:40:29.040 There is always some minor tweaking on that screw um 1:40:29.600 --> 1:40:31.200 if the call seems to be too high pitch and 1:40:31.280 --> 1:40:34.680 it doesn't break over, if you run the screw clockwise 1:40:34.840 --> 1:40:37.519 and actually tighten it, you will start to get your 1:40:37.560 --> 1:40:39.920 back end earlier, so you'll get the two you know, 1:40:40.000 --> 1:40:41.960 the second part of the note before you're all the 1:40:42.000 --> 1:40:45.439 way parallel. Um. If your call is too tight, then 1:40:45.479 --> 1:40:47.080 you can loosen it and it will actually make the 1:40:47.120 --> 1:40:50.120 call higher pitch. UM. So there's it's kind of as 1:40:50.160 --> 1:40:51.960 I mentioned earlier, So the tunings me standing it and 1:40:52.040 --> 1:40:54.760 then really adjusting the screw um for the box called 1:40:54.800 --> 1:40:58.599 it we designed. Um A good starting place is the screw, 1:40:58.680 --> 1:41:01.600 the the the brass crew all the way down and 1:41:01.640 --> 1:41:04.280 then come out three quarters of a turn. It's kind 1:41:04.320 --> 1:41:05.680 of going to get you in that ballpark, and we 1:41:05.880 --> 1:41:09.599 started adjusting from there. UM. So like I always cringe, 1:41:09.640 --> 1:41:11.679 it's people like getting out and tune in their calls 1:41:12.160 --> 1:41:13.720 right off the bat. But that's if things are just 1:41:13.840 --> 1:41:16.120 out of whack. Um, that's that's a good place to 1:41:16.160 --> 1:41:19.639 get back to because just a slight turn, not even 1:41:19.680 --> 1:41:23.120 a whole quarter turn on a box call huge, huge, Yeah, 1:41:23.200 --> 1:41:25.439 I mean the eighth of a turn would would change 1:41:25.479 --> 1:41:27.559 the call when I was tuning them from not working 1:41:27.680 --> 1:41:31.120 to speak in like Perry Turkey, it's crazy that a 1:41:31.200 --> 1:41:33.559 little bit of just changing the angle that that leads 1:41:33.600 --> 1:41:37.640 hitting hitting the boxes is what matters. No idea is that, 1:41:38.280 --> 1:41:41.320 like I would you know, my tendencies to get in there, 1:41:41.320 --> 1:41:45.479 I don't know, quarter half crank. I mean like I'll 1:41:45.520 --> 1:41:48.800 get to the bottom of this and that's where it's. 1:41:49.360 --> 1:41:51.519 You know, you can nerd out on these things because 1:41:51.640 --> 1:41:54.360 that eighth of a turn matters, or you know, the 1:41:54.439 --> 1:41:56.400 difference in the wood matters, or you know, I got 1:41:56.479 --> 1:41:57.840 to the point where, oh we got sap wood on 1:41:57.960 --> 1:41:59.320 one side, we need to come out a little bit 1:41:59.320 --> 1:42:01.320 more because it's a a bit tighter grain or whatever 1:42:01.360 --> 1:42:03.080 it needs to be. Like you just start to learn. 1:42:03.160 --> 1:42:06.160 But um, yeah, those things were meant to be, you know, 1:42:06.240 --> 1:42:10.800 tweaked a little bit by the end user based on location, humidity, um. 1:42:11.000 --> 1:42:13.599 And then we also want to note, um, the box 1:42:13.680 --> 1:42:15.960 call is tough to run at least ours being you know, 1:42:16.000 --> 1:42:18.599 pure wood doesn't have the waterproof chalk or anything. They're 1:42:18.600 --> 1:42:20.439 they're kind of the first call that gets put away 1:42:20.479 --> 1:42:22.639 in a plastic bag, you know, when the rain hits. 1:42:22.680 --> 1:42:25.360 So that call kind of just it's a it's a 1:42:25.439 --> 1:42:28.720 fair weather call, um, but it does have it's got 1:42:28.800 --> 1:42:30.439 that distance. And I just love the sound of a 1:42:31.040 --> 1:42:33.519 well tuned box call. Um. I know a lot of 1:42:33.560 --> 1:42:35.559 guys like you and just trying to you know, when 1:42:35.560 --> 1:42:37.280 you can't get nothing going on, just trying to get 1:42:37.320 --> 1:42:39.599 a gobble too, because you just get a loud piercing, 1:42:40.400 --> 1:42:43.080 you know, and you're just trying to try and something. Man, 1:42:43.400 --> 1:42:45.960 they'll pull that, they'll pull that one out. Just try 1:42:46.000 --> 1:42:50.080 to make something happen. Talk about the before we leave 1:42:50.120 --> 1:42:52.560 the box call, that one thing that we wanted in 1:42:52.720 --> 1:42:58.160 the design of it was compact yep. Box calls can 1:42:58.240 --> 1:43:00.639 sometimes be unruly how big they are, Like they don't 1:43:00.680 --> 1:43:02.760 even make pockets in your vest that will fit some 1:43:02.880 --> 1:43:05.920 of the ones that are out there. But this one's 1:43:06.040 --> 1:43:08.360 nice where you could just you know, putting your pant 1:43:08.439 --> 1:43:11.160 pocket if you wanted to. Ye nine inches long and 1:43:11.520 --> 1:43:14.360 about one one seven inches white, So it's it's a 1:43:14.680 --> 1:43:18.040 nice compact side that that still gets a good high note. Um. 1:43:18.080 --> 1:43:19.479 You know, like you had mentioned, you got those old 1:43:19.520 --> 1:43:21.640 fifteen inch like boat paddles that are just you know, 1:43:21.680 --> 1:43:24.519 you're out there just big old swipes and and they're 1:43:24.560 --> 1:43:27.040 just tough to hunt with. Um, how many? How many 1:43:27.080 --> 1:43:30.400 of those are we gonna have? The sky's the limit? 1:43:30.479 --> 1:43:32.400 Like we just we we kind of hit with this 1:43:32.600 --> 1:43:34.519 just like here is how many you want to pick up? Two? 1:43:35.320 --> 1:43:37.120 We can We'll just we'll have to figure out a 1:43:37.200 --> 1:43:39.439 better system, but we can or I'm gonna have to 1:43:39.520 --> 1:43:41.640 hire somebody that's like a box call tuner. But we 1:43:41.720 --> 1:43:47.320 know the first five have been um, yeah, and so 1:43:47.439 --> 1:43:50.400 then we've got the pot calls. Um. I think I 1:43:50.439 --> 1:43:53.320 don't know if you honest was a bigger um cheerleader 1:43:53.400 --> 1:43:54.920 for the smaller pots, if it was Steve, But I 1:43:55.000 --> 1:43:57.519 know we didn't go with a full size pot. No, No, 1:43:57.640 --> 1:43:59.880 I were either. We're in we're in a line together again. 1:44:00.240 --> 1:44:01.920 So you know most of your pots are like because 1:44:01.960 --> 1:44:06.720 my turkey best has a small little the pocket heard 1:44:06.880 --> 1:44:09.000 why we have a slightly smaller pot call just so 1:44:09.240 --> 1:44:12.080 Steve can fit these in his vest um. They're a 1:44:12.080 --> 1:44:13.920 little bit smaller, like the way it feels in your head, 1:44:13.920 --> 1:44:16.000 they're easier to hold. Um. There's a lot of good 1:44:16.080 --> 1:44:18.439 reasons for it. And then we kind of went back 1:44:18.439 --> 1:44:20.040 and forth, do we bring out a slate, do we 1:44:20.080 --> 1:44:22.840 bring out of glass at crystal? And we ultimately ended 1:44:22.920 --> 1:44:26.320 up on a slate over glass and then a UM 1:44:26.439 --> 1:44:30.400 crystal over slate UM inside of a walnut pot. Yeah. Man, 1:44:30.479 --> 1:44:32.200 that's the thing that explain it to people, how it's 1:44:32.200 --> 1:44:35.600 got how they're not laminated. Where do you describe like 1:44:35.720 --> 1:44:38.920 what how there's multiple surfaces that live inside there. So 1:44:39.200 --> 1:44:41.360 what you need is is it's kind of that sound 1:44:41.439 --> 1:44:44.800 chamber and is is you guys, nobody can see this, 1:44:44.880 --> 1:44:47.280 but these both all have like dimensions that we were 1:44:47.360 --> 1:44:50.840 as we were prototyping these um. The distance you set 1:44:50.920 --> 1:44:54.680 that soundboard underneath the playing surface affects your breakover, it 1:44:54.800 --> 1:44:58.520 affects your notes, it affects everything that this call produces. 1:44:58.920 --> 1:45:01.519 And so the height you there's a pedestal that's actually 1:45:02.080 --> 1:45:04.760 like on this call um that the sounding board is 1:45:04.760 --> 1:45:07.240 glued to, and we change the height of that pedestal. 1:45:07.560 --> 1:45:09.280 The higher it is, the higher pitch, the lower it 1:45:09.400 --> 1:45:11.800 is that the debt or the call gets UM. And 1:45:11.880 --> 1:45:14.880 so we we need to set that um so that 1:45:15.000 --> 1:45:19.000 we can I don't know what how you everybody's kind 1:45:19.000 --> 1:45:20.720 of got the own their own place they play on 1:45:20.840 --> 1:45:23.600 these but on the edges. Yeah, so the edge, I 1:45:23.680 --> 1:45:25.960 would say on most calls, you probably come in like 1:45:26.040 --> 1:45:27.960 a half inch off the edge, you know, kind of 1:45:28.040 --> 1:45:30.360 as a And so that's where I played and kind 1:45:30.360 --> 1:45:32.280 of tuned all these calls to where most people will 1:45:32.320 --> 1:45:35.280 play on that perimeter, but you know, a little bit 1:45:35.320 --> 1:45:37.640 off the edge. UM. And so you just kind of 1:45:37.680 --> 1:45:40.120 trying to find two surfaces that complement each other. You know, 1:45:40.160 --> 1:45:44.160 there's aluminum, there's there's you know, people use real wood 1:45:44.240 --> 1:45:48.080 sound boards. UM. There's all kinds of of soundboards and 1:45:48.640 --> 1:45:51.600 tops that you can play with UM. But crystal is 1:45:51.640 --> 1:45:54.240 really consistent. It gives that sharper high note UM and 1:45:54.280 --> 1:45:55.960 then it kind of comes down and hits that slate, 1:45:56.000 --> 1:45:58.360 which kind of gives it a more mellow back end 1:45:59.040 --> 1:46:01.640 versus the slate. It's got that mellow front end, but 1:46:01.680 --> 1:46:03.160 then you use the glass to kind of give it 1:46:03.160 --> 1:46:05.000 a little bit of of a pep. And so it's 1:46:05.320 --> 1:46:08.160 we tested a bunch of these glass crystal slate, and 1:46:08.439 --> 1:46:10.120 I think we just wanted to kind of stay with 1:46:10.240 --> 1:46:13.439 the typical at least in the start. Um A good 1:46:13.560 --> 1:46:15.760 glass slash crystal call and A and a good slate 1:46:15.800 --> 1:46:19.880 call I always carry too. And that's that same configuration 1:46:20.520 --> 1:46:22.559 because one I leave stuff laying out in the woods 1:46:23.320 --> 1:46:24.680 and I gotta go back and try to find that 1:46:24.720 --> 1:46:26.880 tree where I was sitting, UM, and that keeps me 1:46:26.920 --> 1:46:28.720 busy while you know, I still have something in my 1:46:28.920 --> 1:46:30.599 arsenal when I leave one laying out in the woods. 1:46:31.120 --> 1:46:35.439 And too. The rain issue is different because when you 1:46:35.560 --> 1:46:39.720 get traditional like you know, slate like traditional, it's like 1:46:40.040 --> 1:46:43.320 slate like out of the earth. Right when it gets wet, 1:46:43.760 --> 1:46:48.120 it's hard to monkey with um glass, is uh? Or 1:46:48.360 --> 1:46:50.160 you know the crystal service, you just like dry that 1:46:50.240 --> 1:46:52.640 thing off, or if you have a waterproof striker or 1:46:52.680 --> 1:46:54.400 an all weather striker, you can just keep playing that 1:46:54.479 --> 1:46:56.800 thing right through. Yeah, so this little bit bulletproof, but 1:46:56.880 --> 1:47:00.360 the crystal's wet as long as you're strikers a waterproof striker, 1:47:01.160 --> 1:47:03.879 you see crystal with an aluminium like with an aluminium striker, 1:47:04.520 --> 1:47:06.639 that doesn't matter. I mean, it's all easy to dry. 1:47:06.680 --> 1:47:08.920 It's that issue. I messed this too. I've even taken 1:47:08.960 --> 1:47:11.360 like I've even held mine up just taking a lighter. 1:47:11.920 --> 1:47:14.200 I just flick the lighter on there, and I thinks 1:47:14.200 --> 1:47:17.000 back to brand new maybe yep, So you can you know, 1:47:17.080 --> 1:47:19.439 play that. And then, you know, preps a big thing. 1:47:19.520 --> 1:47:21.840 Like we're sending these calls out and non prepped it's like, 1:47:21.920 --> 1:47:24.519 well that's a huge part of you know, whatever way 1:47:24.560 --> 1:47:26.200 you scratch or prep the call, you want to run 1:47:26.240 --> 1:47:28.360 the striker in the opposite direction, you know, not with 1:47:28.600 --> 1:47:31.639 the scratches. And so inside these calls it was very important. 1:47:31.640 --> 1:47:33.160 I think you called me up and say, hey, we 1:47:33.240 --> 1:47:35.880 need some sort of instructions in here. And so now 1:47:36.160 --> 1:47:38.000 when we ship the calls, like we will give very 1:47:38.080 --> 1:47:41.519 detailed instructions about the approximate location. You know, if it's 1:47:41.560 --> 1:47:44.880 a crystal, you should take the you know, provided conditioning stone, 1:47:44.920 --> 1:47:47.280 if it's a slate, you know, use the you know, 1:47:47.360 --> 1:47:51.519 provided scouring pad um, and we give exact locations on 1:47:51.880 --> 1:47:53.720 on where to scratch the call up to get that 1:47:53.800 --> 1:47:59.400 good sound. Yeah, like meaning if you open like if 1:47:59.439 --> 1:48:02.519 you open up of these crystal calls and you take 1:48:02.600 --> 1:48:05.680 your striker and you're like it doesn't work, like it 1:48:05.800 --> 1:48:10.840 won't work. You have to create and a braided like 1:48:11.120 --> 1:48:14.920 sanded spot and people will kind of hunt around on there, 1:48:15.040 --> 1:48:17.760 and it's not It's never gonna be the same for 1:48:17.800 --> 1:48:21.240 two people, right like, because just everything about sort of 1:48:21.360 --> 1:48:24.000 how you hold your hands, you configuration, how you work 1:48:24.040 --> 1:48:26.120 the striker, it's never gonna be the same for two people. 1:48:26.160 --> 1:48:29.160 So you're gonna you might explore around and find a 1:48:29.240 --> 1:48:34.400 couple little different spots that you like, um to get 1:48:34.439 --> 1:48:36.320 the sounds you want. And then on top of that, 1:48:36.640 --> 1:48:38.600 you'll sort of learn what you can get away with 1:48:38.680 --> 1:48:41.479 in terms of how frequently you need to refresh it. 1:48:42.240 --> 1:48:43.920 But things you've got to figure out. Two is if 1:48:43.920 --> 1:48:45.879 you even if you have like if your hands are sweaty, 1:48:46.760 --> 1:48:49.400 if you got you know, just your natural oil skin 1:48:49.479 --> 1:48:52.640 oils on your fingers, you get that stuff on slate, man, 1:48:52.720 --> 1:48:55.599 it's like tough. Yeah, And so you kind of learned 1:48:55.640 --> 1:48:57.240 how to it's good just to learn how to do 1:48:57.400 --> 1:48:59.640 it because it's not like you prep it once. And 1:48:59.640 --> 1:49:02.439 then that if if you just you got this call 1:49:02.479 --> 1:49:04.439 and you open it's like, oh it's pretty prepped. There's 1:49:04.479 --> 1:49:07.120 still maintenance. Yep. When I sit down the woods in 1:49:07.160 --> 1:49:09.320 the morning. Man, before I do anything, I'll be sitting 1:49:09.320 --> 1:49:11.720 in the dark. Before I do anything, I'd go through 1:49:11.760 --> 1:49:15.680 my little conditioning ritual to make sure that thing is 1:49:15.680 --> 1:49:18.200 ready to start. Crank, get some noise on, and like 1:49:18.320 --> 1:49:21.000 before you make a sound, like you know, the striker tip, 1:49:21.040 --> 1:49:23.519 it'll eventually go up just from running through some of that. 1:49:23.600 --> 1:49:24.760 You know, you try to clean it off, but it's 1:49:24.760 --> 1:49:27.000 like you know, you scratching your scou scour pad just 1:49:27.080 --> 1:49:28.960 to make sure that things ready to go. So you 1:49:29.000 --> 1:49:31.360 don't you know, slide as you mentioned earlier, when the 1:49:31.560 --> 1:49:33.800 call is not conditioned. If that once that striker doesn't 1:49:33.800 --> 1:49:35.719 have any bite anymore either, you'll just kind of slide 1:49:35.720 --> 1:49:37.840 across the call and it it won't produce sounds. So 1:49:37.880 --> 1:49:39.960 there's we provide all of that with these calls so 1:49:40.000 --> 1:49:42.280 that they can be conditioned. Instructions and make sure that 1:49:42.360 --> 1:49:43.920 you know the call war were one right, Yeah, you 1:49:44.000 --> 1:49:47.479 get like slommy grease on the end of that strikes done. Yeah. 1:49:49.040 --> 1:49:51.040 I don't understand when my kids take one or run 1:49:51.080 --> 1:49:54.040 around the house for an hour, it never works. I 1:49:54.080 --> 1:49:55.880 think it's just I think it's just a greasy little 1:49:55.960 --> 1:49:58.000 hands that they're done for like, but yeah, you gotta 1:49:58.040 --> 1:49:59.839 take like a mill off the end of that striker 1:49:59.880 --> 1:50:01.200 to get it back to life. I think they got 1:50:01.280 --> 1:50:02.880 it up their nose and stuff. I don't know what 1:50:03.000 --> 1:50:04.679 they do to them and they make them that work. 1:50:05.200 --> 1:50:08.280 So yeah, the conditioning thing, and like the crystal call, man, 1:50:08.320 --> 1:50:10.200 it's got like it's it's beautiful. It's got like the 1:50:10.760 --> 1:50:16.759 sound board has a design. Um, it's like it's collateral damage. 1:50:16.800 --> 1:50:20.000 I mean, you're gonna obscure the crystal and obscure the 1:50:20.120 --> 1:50:22.560 thing when you start monkeying with getting your thing. The 1:50:22.720 --> 1:50:26.400 slate is way different and that the same thing you 1:50:26.479 --> 1:50:29.680 used to wash your dishes. But you still gotta you 1:50:29.800 --> 1:50:32.920 still gotta take care of the surface. Yeah. But one thing, 1:50:33.000 --> 1:50:36.040 I mean, these specific calls, like we laser etch the slate, 1:50:36.240 --> 1:50:39.400 like they're gonna they're gonna get damaged in the in 1:50:39.479 --> 1:50:41.800 the prep of this call, no matter what you do. Um, 1:50:41.880 --> 1:50:44.280 So don't you know, just just scratch over the top 1:50:44.360 --> 1:50:46.719 of the meat eater phelps name or across the bird 1:50:47.080 --> 1:50:49.080 um to get that prepped. Um. You know it's not 1:50:49.200 --> 1:50:53.479 meant to last forever for me personally. Um, in my 1:50:53.720 --> 1:50:57.920 kind of calling, you know, wanting to learn how to 1:50:58.040 --> 1:51:01.519 like kill turkey's good, I wind up having I think 1:51:01.560 --> 1:51:08.160 in terms of labor versus output, practice versus output. I 1:51:08.240 --> 1:51:14.080 had the greatest advances learning how on pot calls, where, um, 1:51:14.640 --> 1:51:18.479 you know a box call, they're great, there's like very 1:51:18.520 --> 1:51:21.920 good turkey hunters just use box calls, right, But they're 1:51:22.520 --> 1:51:26.479 they're they're loud, which is one of the big selling points. 1:51:26.560 --> 1:51:29.960 Like vlue. You know, they have a high volume. Um, 1:51:30.800 --> 1:51:33.400 and some people can get a lot of some people 1:51:33.439 --> 1:51:37.639 can get developed quite a vocabulary with it, but anyone 1:51:37.760 --> 1:51:40.920 could pick one up and start making like a loud yelp. 1:51:41.280 --> 1:51:44.480 Not anyone. Most people learning the rest of the vocabulary 1:51:44.840 --> 1:51:46.720 is a little harder, and learning how to do just 1:51:46.840 --> 1:51:49.960 subtle sounds like you know, you got a bird hung 1:51:50.080 --> 1:51:53.320 up at fifty yards and you can't see them good, 1:51:53.600 --> 1:51:55.719 and you're sort of trying to make something happen before 1:51:55.800 --> 1:51:58.200 something goes wrong. It might not be the best bet 1:51:58.360 --> 1:52:01.719 just to be like, yeah, you're just kind of telling 1:52:01.800 --> 1:52:04.760 it you're here, right and trying to keep it around. UM. 1:52:06.320 --> 1:52:08.360 I think that in the time I spent massing with it, 1:52:08.880 --> 1:52:11.400 I was more quickly. I was more able to learn 1:52:11.439 --> 1:52:14.360 how to do the basic calls like here's a yelp, 1:52:15.280 --> 1:52:19.479 here's a clock right, here's a purr on that on 1:52:19.640 --> 1:52:23.280 that medium, over other things. And then I in my mind, 1:52:23.360 --> 1:52:27.439 for me like the real master, like the thing that's 1:52:27.479 --> 1:52:30.680 like the most alluring because you learn how the mouth call, 1:52:31.720 --> 1:52:36.000 and you could do the entire vocabulary and never move 1:52:36.080 --> 1:52:38.280 your hand. But that's like the kind of thing you 1:52:38.360 --> 1:52:41.000 got to dedicate yourself to. Yeah, you know where the 1:52:41.040 --> 1:52:42.640 pot call, as you mentioned, you can pick that up 1:52:42.680 --> 1:52:44.760 and I think anybody can run it within about five 1:52:44.800 --> 1:52:46.800 minutes of an instructions or at least starting to sound 1:52:46.840 --> 1:52:49.400 like a turkey like the mouth call takes some some dedication. No, 1:52:49.520 --> 1:52:51.000 you gotta be like, you know what, man, I'm gonna 1:52:51.120 --> 1:52:55.559 spend years like I don't mind, I'm gonna drive around 1:52:55.600 --> 1:52:57.240 in my car, drive around in my truck, and I'm 1:52:57.240 --> 1:52:58.760 gonna learn how to do this, and then when you 1:52:58.840 --> 1:53:02.320 get there, you're there. Yea, you know, but it's a 1:53:02.400 --> 1:53:05.240 journey to learn how I mean. And and you know 1:53:05.320 --> 1:53:07.479 the crazy thing is that's being guys and turkey call 1:53:07.560 --> 1:53:09.200 guys like I don't know what it is, and I 1:53:09.240 --> 1:53:11.080 wish I could figure out what it is, but we 1:53:11.160 --> 1:53:13.200 get got hey, I can run this out call, but 1:53:13.200 --> 1:53:14.720 I can't run a tricky Callor hey, I can run 1:53:14.760 --> 1:53:16.320 the tricky calls, but I can't run your out calls. 1:53:16.360 --> 1:53:19.759 And it's like, you know, but ultimately, as you alluded 1:53:19.760 --> 1:53:22.840 to a little bit earlier, is you know, these calls. 1:53:22.960 --> 1:53:24.800 We wanted design calls that were easy to use, but 1:53:24.840 --> 1:53:27.080 then also calls at the very experienced caller would be 1:53:27.160 --> 1:53:29.160 you know, happy to use. And so it's it's tough 1:53:29.240 --> 1:53:31.000 to kind of strike that, you know, and we develop 1:53:31.040 --> 1:53:34.080 it through materials, through the cuts, um, all of that. 1:53:34.240 --> 1:53:38.000 And so ultimately we brought out four Turkey calls. They 1:53:38.040 --> 1:53:40.320 come into three pack, which is yours, which is a 1:53:40.439 --> 1:53:43.280 Jake Break Steve, Steve and Ella Jake break. Love that 1:53:43.400 --> 1:53:46.479 term Jake break yep. Um, we've got love them, Jakes, 1:53:48.479 --> 1:53:50.519 We've got you. This is which Jakes have saved a 1:53:50.560 --> 1:53:54.640 lot of Turkey hunts. Man. They eat the same two, 1:53:54.680 --> 1:53:56.760 don't they. Yeah. And my kids this year, like he's 1:53:56.800 --> 1:53:59.400 you know, he had his first Turkey season last year, 1:53:59.680 --> 1:54:03.479 and um, I he'll be this will be a second 1:54:03.479 --> 1:54:05.960 Turkey season depending on where I go. My daughter will 1:54:05.960 --> 1:54:09.760 have her first Turkey season this year. And uh, you know, 1:54:10.000 --> 1:54:13.160 I know that the jake's out there will hopefully help 1:54:13.240 --> 1:54:18.280 them get over that initial hump. Yeah, no, jake's are fun. 1:54:18.400 --> 1:54:20.439 I haven't introduced to them the idea that it's not 1:54:20.680 --> 1:54:25.360 the perfect turkey that'll be they'll be happy with the jake. Uh. 1:54:25.800 --> 1:54:28.800 And then so Jannice is lat via ego. It's the 1:54:28.840 --> 1:54:31.639 heaviest call in the group. Um, he used a little 1:54:31.680 --> 1:54:34.880 thicker latex. Explain that. So what you get with the 1:54:34.920 --> 1:54:38.280 heavier latex is a little more volume, a little more 1:54:38.320 --> 1:54:41.080 long distance calling, a little heavier cutting. And then just 1:54:41.160 --> 1:54:43.680 by adding um, heavier latex, you also get a little 1:54:43.680 --> 1:54:47.400 bit deeper turkey. You know, an older boss hand. Um sound, 1:54:47.480 --> 1:54:49.600 it's a it's we need more air, a little more air. 1:54:49.680 --> 1:54:52.120 It's not gonna light up, you know, as you mentioned earlier, 1:54:52.160 --> 1:54:53.560 like if you want to do a little soft purr, 1:54:54.040 --> 1:54:55.800 it might you know, that perr might be mid the 1:54:55.880 --> 1:54:59.080 loud volume by time you get it to to fire off. 1:54:59.160 --> 1:55:01.640 Where you know, like with your call or the meater's 1:55:01.720 --> 1:55:03.400 choice or the easy cluck, or you could do really 1:55:03.480 --> 1:55:06.160 subtle light clucks. You can still do it. A good 1:55:06.240 --> 1:55:08.040 color can still do it on your honest's call. It's 1:55:08.080 --> 1:55:10.520 just gonna be it's almost to that box, like if 1:55:10.560 --> 1:55:13.000 you want to reach the Turkey three canyons over, Like 1:55:13.120 --> 1:55:14.920 you can yelp on that thing and get that volume 1:55:14.960 --> 1:55:17.240 out of it. But you find that people can generally 1:55:17.440 --> 1:55:21.800 learn easier on the lighter latex typically. Um, it's just 1:55:21.880 --> 1:55:25.200 they get sound and so they they're they're maybe not frustrated. 1:55:25.480 --> 1:55:28.120 Now that doesn't necessarily mean learning. Like you might have 1:55:28.280 --> 1:55:29.960 just a heavy mouth guy that just wants to put 1:55:30.000 --> 1:55:31.480 all the air and as lung as the the call, 1:55:31.800 --> 1:55:33.560 and so even though he's not an experienced caller, he 1:55:33.600 --> 1:55:35.880 may preferrer honest is over. And that's where it's like 1:55:35.920 --> 1:55:38.360 it's all over the board, like trying to find you know, 1:55:38.560 --> 1:55:41.320 we get there the email, Hey I'm a new hunter. 1:55:41.440 --> 1:55:44.320 What should I use? And it's like I'd like to 1:55:44.360 --> 1:55:46.080 put you in this for eight, but you might be 1:55:46.240 --> 1:55:49.000 the complete opposite and want something else. That's why it 1:55:49.040 --> 1:55:51.040 gets good to have, you know, to get a handful 1:55:51.040 --> 1:55:53.520 of at once and just start messing with them. Yeah 1:55:53.840 --> 1:55:55.880 U so yeah, he has got a cutter's cut on it. 1:55:56.160 --> 1:56:00.800 Um really really raspy. Um. I like that call. And 1:56:00.960 --> 1:56:04.960 then the latex should also withstand that heavier calling yeah, 1:56:04.960 --> 1:56:06.920 a little bit longer before it kind of plays out. 1:56:07.040 --> 1:56:09.560 It's a little more durable UM where you know Steve, 1:56:10.000 --> 1:56:13.120 Steve's call UM has a lighter piece of latex on 1:56:13.240 --> 1:56:15.600 top with what we consider a combo cut with some 1:56:15.720 --> 1:56:18.040 proof as you're playing read, so it's a little lighter, 1:56:18.120 --> 1:56:21.040 but it achieves that higher pitch easier, UM without putting 1:56:21.040 --> 1:56:23.720 a bunch of air to it. UM. And then the 1:56:23.800 --> 1:56:26.640 meter's choice once again, we're using prof as the backing read, 1:56:26.680 --> 1:56:29.920 the playing read, and then we've got um. It's kind 1:56:29.920 --> 1:56:32.080 of a modified bat wing is what we're calling it 1:56:34.800 --> 1:56:37.560 something UM so really easy that and then we still 1:56:37.600 --> 1:56:40.760 get that rasp out of it. And then the single 1:56:40.840 --> 1:56:43.400 call by itself is is easy clucker where we put 1:56:43.440 --> 1:56:46.320 a ghost cut in it and uh, really really easy 1:56:46.360 --> 1:56:48.240 to use, easy to get your kiki runs out of 1:56:48.280 --> 1:56:51.120 and stuff your immature turkeys. Um. But it's typically the 1:56:51.200 --> 1:56:55.440 most easy for a new caller to run uh dirt. 1:56:56.680 --> 1:56:59.040 I didn't know, like you don't even strike me as this, 1:56:59.160 --> 1:57:01.920 but um current had it down that you were a 1:57:02.160 --> 1:57:05.040 saxophone player. Not a lot of people know that about me. 1:57:05.280 --> 1:57:08.880 It's like you're Chevy Chase of Bill Clinton Man Bill Clinton, 1:57:10.800 --> 1:57:14.520 Hey my saxophone. Let me show you something. Yeah, growing 1:57:14.560 --> 1:57:16.520 up in a little town of Weipe, I was in 1:57:16.600 --> 1:57:19.240 the band from junior high school through my sophomore year, 1:57:19.240 --> 1:57:21.840 and I sold my sacks and about a three thirty 1:57:21.880 --> 1:57:25.919 eight wind meg. Does uh that be a read instrument 1:57:26.440 --> 1:57:31.240 and a diaphragm call being like a read? Um? Right? Yeah? 1:57:31.440 --> 1:57:33.400 Like we're like, oh, this is easy. I used to 1:57:33.400 --> 1:57:37.400 play saxophone. Um, it's different. Yeah, but it's there's some 1:57:37.880 --> 1:57:42.040 some weird nuances between diaphragms and and saxophone reads. Uh, 1:57:42.440 --> 1:57:46.440 quality construction. Like if you buy the cheap sax reads, 1:57:47.000 --> 1:57:48.760 they don't seem to work as good. You just can't 1:57:48.840 --> 1:57:53.440 get the sweet sweet tones and melodies and something you know, 1:57:53.720 --> 1:57:56.000 brand X brand whatever. A lot of guys will kind 1:57:56.000 --> 1:57:58.120 of pick up a diaphragm and be like, ah, first 1:57:58.200 --> 1:58:00.880 time in their mouth, doesn't sound good. I can't do it. 1:58:01.680 --> 1:58:04.880 But experimenting a little bit, you you find that not 1:58:05.000 --> 1:58:08.120 all diaphragms are built the same. Same with saxophone reads. 1:58:08.560 --> 1:58:10.000 One of my buddies would lend me a read here, 1:58:10.040 --> 1:58:11.720 try one of these. You'd have a really nice Rico 1:58:11.880 --> 1:58:13.880 read or something, and I'd throw that baby in and 1:58:13.920 --> 1:58:16.280 I was like, Wow, all of a sudden just got 1:58:16.360 --> 1:58:19.160 way better. Yeah. So I kind of feel the same 1:58:19.240 --> 1:58:22.880 thing about diaphragms, whether it's Turkey calls, elk calls, Like 1:58:23.320 --> 1:58:26.880 there's a quality issue, not all not all created equals. Yeah, 1:58:26.920 --> 1:58:29.560 some of them, like those sacks reads would absorb water 1:58:29.640 --> 1:58:32.160 really fast and then they just kind of fall apart. 1:58:32.240 --> 1:58:34.000 So I don't know if they're making them out of 1:58:34.040 --> 1:58:37.960 cheap bamboo or or what, but there's definitely a difference. 1:58:38.120 --> 1:58:40.960 Do you play anymore? I haven't played one since sophomore 1:58:41.000 --> 1:58:43.280 in high school. I bet I could probably still play 1:58:43.360 --> 1:58:45.840 one if I had one in front of me. Um, 1:58:46.680 --> 1:58:48.240 how long does it take to put when you guys 1:58:48.280 --> 1:58:50.360 decided making new call holls, how long does it actually 1:58:50.400 --> 1:58:52.680 take to get it right before you can start selling 1:58:52.720 --> 1:58:56.000 it to people? It just really depends, um, you know, 1:58:56.040 --> 1:58:58.040 whether it's a box calls or a little more finicky. 1:58:58.560 --> 1:59:00.160 You know. So if we're gonna bring a new ballox 1:59:00.200 --> 1:59:02.680 call out, and and this is where I don't know 1:59:02.720 --> 1:59:04.440 if we want to talk production versus like if I 1:59:04.520 --> 1:59:07.360 was to build one is way different. Um, Like my 1:59:07.520 --> 1:59:11.480 whole thought process, the whole machining process, Like I used 1:59:11.520 --> 1:59:13.440 to build box calls and pot calls out my shop, 1:59:13.520 --> 1:59:15.760 Like I would chuck, you know, the back of ours 1:59:15.800 --> 1:59:17.480 don't have a hole in the center. I would drill 1:59:17.520 --> 1:59:19.120 a hole through any piece of walnut, spent it down 1:59:19.160 --> 1:59:21.840 to a circle, you know, build the shape. And I 1:59:22.320 --> 1:59:24.120 sold lots of pot calls back in the day. I 1:59:24.160 --> 1:59:25.960 built a couple of boxes where I would you know, 1:59:26.120 --> 1:59:29.600 hand chisel out the sides and sand everything down. Yeah, 1:59:29.720 --> 1:59:32.800 and so I had built box calls. But getting your 1:59:32.920 --> 1:59:36.880 mind right to build five hundred a thousand, two thousand 1:59:37.320 --> 1:59:39.600 is a completely different animal. Like you need to be 1:59:39.680 --> 1:59:41.360 on the conservative side so that when you do get 1:59:41.400 --> 1:59:45.160 that weird piece of wood. Um. So like, for instance, 1:59:45.200 --> 1:59:48.280 the walnut we bought is a lot more of a 1:59:48.320 --> 1:59:50.280 pain in my ass than the purple heart. The purple 1:59:50.280 --> 1:59:52.520 hearts all straight as an arrow, everything's perfect where the 1:59:52.520 --> 1:59:54.040 wall and that was kind of all over the place, 1:59:54.120 --> 1:59:56.080 and so you're like, you know, you had to mess 1:59:56.120 --> 1:59:58.120 with it or each one had to be tuned. Um. 1:59:58.480 --> 2:00:00.040 You know, in the future, I think we will I 2:00:00.520 --> 2:00:03.000 more select grade of lumbers so we're not dealing with 2:00:03.120 --> 2:00:06.360 knots and issues, especially when it comes to calls. You know, 2:00:06.440 --> 2:00:08.000 some of these calls are beautiful because they do have 2:00:08.080 --> 2:00:11.680 a swirl here there. Um. But for for um, you know, 2:00:12.440 --> 2:00:15.520 music instruments, Um, we should probably stick to the But 2:00:15.640 --> 2:00:18.440 I would say, now with with everything we we know, um, 2:00:18.520 --> 2:00:21.360 the designs we've got, um, you know, if we were 2:00:21.400 --> 2:00:23.120 to do something new, would probably you know, a month 2:00:23.240 --> 2:00:25.440 or two, get the materials, make some changes and get 2:00:25.520 --> 2:00:28.040 something out Um these I'll tell you. I want to 2:00:28.040 --> 2:00:30.120 tell you why I'm asking, But now you're making seems 2:00:30.120 --> 2:00:32.240 like it's not a good idea. I want to do 2:00:32.320 --> 2:00:35.760 a thing where we find a tree that we really like, 2:00:37.320 --> 2:00:42.200 shop that tree down right, and then go through take 2:00:42.240 --> 2:00:46.640 people through the whole process, remill it, dry it right, 2:00:48.240 --> 2:00:52.200 and then out of that will come box calls. All right, 2:00:52.240 --> 2:00:53.720 we could do that, no problem, and you could get 2:00:53.720 --> 2:00:56.360 a box call that you've watched it from the tree 2:00:56.480 --> 2:00:59.160 to the call. Yep, I think we do a series 2:00:59.200 --> 2:01:01.040 of calls that comes one tree. How many would we 2:01:01.080 --> 2:01:03.560 get off one tree, a black walnut, if it's old enough, 2:01:03.600 --> 2:01:06.280 A lot, uh, a lot of you could do. You 2:01:06.280 --> 2:01:08.560 could do this whole production round out of one big 2:01:08.600 --> 2:01:13.640 black walnut, just the place I think we have in Seth. 2:01:13.680 --> 2:01:15.080 You said he would be able to grade because he 2:01:15.160 --> 2:01:18.280 was trained up in forestry. Do you know that? So 2:01:18.360 --> 2:01:21.320 I want structural selector bat Well, that's the money tree 2:01:22.320 --> 2:01:26.400 usually high value. But it's like to tell the guy 2:01:26.480 --> 2:01:31.480 that we're getting it triple triple stumpage. That would be 2:01:31.960 --> 2:01:35.800 timber timber trespass. Uh Seth worked on a thing one 2:01:35.880 --> 2:01:41.200 time to where stolen trees explained this stuth. Yeah, we 2:01:41.480 --> 2:01:43.200 when we were when I was in college, we had 2:01:43.240 --> 2:01:45.960 a we did like this. It was I forget what 2:01:46.080 --> 2:01:48.720 class was in, but we had a lab where we like, 2:01:50.040 --> 2:01:53.720 there was a timber it was an actual timber trespass. Um, 2:01:53.920 --> 2:01:57.760 but we like mimic the timber trestpass where someone like 2:01:57.840 --> 2:02:00.440 a logger had gone on to the neighboring property and 2:02:00.440 --> 2:02:02.800 cut a bunch of trees and then you have to 2:02:02.880 --> 2:02:07.720 go in and like measure indentations in the soil when 2:02:07.760 --> 2:02:09.640 the tree was dropped and just trying to figure out 2:02:09.680 --> 2:02:15.280 how much volume was taking. Yeah, it's like, um, um, 2:02:15.440 --> 2:02:19.080 what's that word I'm looking for? Damn it. It's like 2:02:19.160 --> 2:02:26.880 a word about crime forensic. That's the world yea, and 2:02:27.000 --> 2:02:32.640 write a book about that. If you're hearing this, you 2:02:32.680 --> 2:02:34.920 can go to the meat eat the meat eater dot 2:02:35.000 --> 2:02:38.240 com slash Phelps all right, and you'll see all of 2:02:38.320 --> 2:02:40.440 what we're talking about, and we have videos about them 2:02:40.440 --> 2:02:44.320 all Um, you can we show them the materials are made, 2:02:44.960 --> 2:02:47.800 how they're used. We have videos of us using them, 2:02:47.920 --> 2:02:51.400 like the whole thing is explained out. But then they 2:02:51.480 --> 2:02:55.080 go on sale March four. If you want to find 2:02:55.120 --> 2:02:57.720 out about Jason and Dirt Durham, here you can go 2:02:57.840 --> 2:02:59.440 find those guys that Phelps dot com andever the hell 2:02:59.480 --> 2:03:02.080 you want. Can I give a shameless plug? Please don't 2:03:02.200 --> 2:03:04.960 add the Maverick to your cart. I'm trying not to 2:03:05.120 --> 2:03:07.600 get beat by Dirk's personal call. So add that pink 2:03:07.680 --> 2:03:11.800 signature called your cart whilere there buying your mercy purchases 2:03:11.840 --> 2:03:14.240 for you Jason. So, yeah, you guys have a run. 2:03:14.280 --> 2:03:18.480 Who's actually winning this? Uh we're not gonna the results 2:03:18.520 --> 2:03:21.240 are still out. Yeah, yeah, we're not going to talk 2:03:21.280 --> 2:03:23.680 about this short term battle that we're in. Well do 2:03:23.760 --> 2:03:28.120 you give because I know you guys have like your 2:03:28.160 --> 2:03:31.480 own allies, like people who follow your own like signature 2:03:31.520 --> 2:03:33.920 elk calls, But can't you just give better treatment of 2:03:34.000 --> 2:03:36.000 it on the website because you have control that Yeah, 2:03:36.040 --> 2:03:38.760 I'm gonna start like kicking in a lot of pink sales, um, 2:03:39.720 --> 2:03:41.600 cranking the price up on them. We're going to control 2:03:41.680 --> 2:03:45.840 it in your color is pink? Oh yeah yeah. And 2:03:46.000 --> 2:03:47.520 you see a new black. If you see a guy 2:03:47.600 --> 2:03:50.720 open his mouth and it's a what color, Dirk red, 2:03:52.600 --> 2:03:57.920 I know he's been Dirk's mouth. Yeah. Alright, So again, 2:03:58.080 --> 2:04:00.320 go to check all this out because this is this 2:04:00.400 --> 2:04:03.720 is interesting. It's been a really interesting process. We're super 2:04:03.760 --> 2:04:06.360 proud of it. Go to the meat eater dot com 2:04:06.440 --> 2:04:09.560 slash phelps and like I said, there's a Smorgas board, 2:04:09.800 --> 2:04:17.280 a smorge board of salient facts, a smorgus board of 2:04:17.360 --> 2:04:21.840 videos about the calls. Um. You know it's funny when 2:04:21.840 --> 2:04:24.000 we're filming those. I was getting I had a gobbler ripping. 2:04:24.360 --> 2:04:27.800 Did you really in a place where there are no gobblers? 2:04:28.520 --> 2:04:32.000 Well they're there a little bit. That's how good there 2:04:32.080 --> 2:04:35.400 you trying to point in the right direction and then 2:04:37.760 --> 2:04:41.240 that way later that evening when you guys wrapped probably 2:04:41.440 --> 2:04:45.320 all the no, there's a yeah, we had a gobbler ripping. 2:04:45.320 --> 2:04:48.440 Those fun middle the damn winter. Um. All right, go 2:04:48.600 --> 2:04:51.400 there and check it out. March four, go buy something 2:04:52.200 --> 2:04:56.520 has some fun to Spring. Thank you guys, welcome aboard, 2:04:56.800 --> 2:05:00.160 Thanks for having us. Thanks Jason Phelps Dirk during him 2:05:01.160 --> 2:05:06.440 famous saxophonist turned Turkey collar just say your saxophone is 2:05:06.480 --> 2:05:11.960 in some pawn shop right now. It is definitely alright, guys. 2:05:12.000 --> 2:05:12.440 Thanks a lot,