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Speaker 1: jingle for it. It's called um Chester gets rich off Bitcoin. Now, Chester,

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Speaker 1: this is really a story about walife. I'm gonna putting

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Speaker 1: like a slot machine down there. Yeah, it's cashing out coins.

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Speaker 1: the investor. Come that's it, come off. Chester once a

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Speaker 1: I could say, really, seventy k huh, let's see, I

424
00:26:21,240 --> 00:26:24,359
Speaker 1: want to see a picture of this uh albino. I'm

425
00:26:24,400 --> 00:26:27,280
Speaker 1: sure if he's listening, sure you'll send it in. If

426
00:26:27,280 --> 00:26:29,760
Speaker 1: he writes in, maybe his PAPPI will talk to us

427
00:26:29,760 --> 00:26:32,919
Speaker 1: on the phone. We can grill him. We can grill him.

428
00:26:33,320 --> 00:26:38,720
Speaker 1: I'm actually looking at pictures of albino. Maybe there's a

429
00:26:38,760 --> 00:26:41,879
Speaker 1: story that goes along with it. That's worth seventy dollars.

430
00:26:42,000 --> 00:26:47,520
Speaker 1: I don't know. Well, maybe it's Elon musk No, but

431
00:26:47,560 --> 00:26:52,320
Speaker 1: he's saying that it's his retirement plan. There's Chester's Walleye

432
00:26:52,320 --> 00:26:59,320
Speaker 1: boat get like a freaking full electronics package and everything. Man,

433
00:26:59,760 --> 00:27:05,560
Speaker 1: you probably put two engines on that soccer. Uh, this show.

434
00:27:05,600 --> 00:27:07,520
Speaker 1: I gotta report this because this makes us look good.

435
00:27:08,040 --> 00:27:10,119
Speaker 1: This show solved the mystery. Not only we saved a

436
00:27:10,160 --> 00:27:15,960
Speaker 1: ton of lives by through well too, through not us,

437
00:27:16,160 --> 00:27:19,520
Speaker 1: dr Adam Lazare has saved two lives so far. About tourniquets.

438
00:27:19,560 --> 00:27:23,560
Speaker 1: This guy was up along the Muscle Shell River in

439
00:27:23,600 --> 00:27:26,720
Speaker 1: Montana and finds like it had burned. There was a

440
00:27:26,800 --> 00:27:31,439
Speaker 1: there's a prairie fire, and the prairie fire had stripped

441
00:27:31,480 --> 00:27:35,800
Speaker 1: away all the grass and sage and whatnot from this

442
00:27:35,880 --> 00:27:40,280
Speaker 1: little patch. And lo and behold, there sits a little tombstone.

443
00:27:42,280 --> 00:27:45,600
Speaker 1: No explanation about the tombstone. He was super curious about

444
00:27:45,600 --> 00:27:50,760
Speaker 1: and took a picture of the tombstone. Then he even

445
00:27:50,840 --> 00:27:55,000
Speaker 1: called the Office of the Land and the Administration, the

446
00:27:55,000 --> 00:27:59,679
Speaker 1: Administrative Office of the Land Management Agency. They didn't know.

447
00:28:00,720 --> 00:28:03,120
Speaker 1: Then we got talking about my new favorite book life

448
00:28:03,160 --> 00:28:06,960
Speaker 1: and death at the mouth of the muscle shell. He

449
00:28:07,040 --> 00:28:10,080
Speaker 1: goes and gets the book, reads it and finds a

450
00:28:10,280 --> 00:28:14,520
Speaker 1: very thorough explanation of what happened to this dude. But

451
00:28:14,680 --> 00:28:18,440
Speaker 1: that was unsolved for fifteen years. This is fifteen years ago.

452
00:28:18,520 --> 00:28:20,919
Speaker 1: That keeping them up at night, keeping them up at

453
00:28:21,040 --> 00:28:24,679
Speaker 1: night for fifteen years. Who wants to sum up what

454
00:28:24,720 --> 00:28:29,040
Speaker 1: happened to the guy? The guy's body in that book.

455
00:28:29,720 --> 00:28:34,040
Speaker 1: The amount of people shooting each other fiddling with guns,

456
00:28:34,520 --> 00:28:38,880
Speaker 1: it's oh, all the time. Yeah, it must be three

457
00:28:39,000 --> 00:28:41,120
Speaker 1: or four times there's someone's fiddling around the gun and

458
00:28:41,160 --> 00:28:45,520
Speaker 1: like shoots himself or shoots his body or whatever. Yeah,

459
00:28:45,520 --> 00:28:50,520
Speaker 1: well we didn't have hunters safety courses. Yeah. So this

460
00:28:50,680 --> 00:28:58,280
Speaker 1: fella whose name was Constant Cassneil Cassnell. It's spelled q

461
00:28:58,520 --> 00:29:06,440
Speaker 1: u E s n E l L. I don't know.

462
00:29:07,520 --> 00:29:12,520
Speaker 1: This guy was five six, Yeah, it's it's one of

463
00:29:12,520 --> 00:29:15,520
Speaker 1: the interesting things about Constant is that he was he

464
00:29:15,640 --> 00:29:20,320
Speaker 1: was a short fellow. Uh, he was a tinsmith from

465
00:29:20,320 --> 00:29:26,760
Speaker 1: Montreal and had listed enlisted in in Boston. But anyway,

466
00:29:26,760 --> 00:29:30,920
Speaker 1: it sounds like they there was a raid. Some sue

467
00:29:32,120 --> 00:29:36,800
Speaker 1: raided their stock and had their stock run around everywhere

468
00:29:36,960 --> 00:29:40,480
Speaker 1: and this fellow and another fellow went where must have

469
00:29:40,520 --> 00:29:43,440
Speaker 1: been right there. I don't know if they were shepherding

470
00:29:43,440 --> 00:29:46,040
Speaker 1: the stock or what um, but somehow they were part

471
00:29:46,080 --> 00:29:51,440
Speaker 1: of this being rated upon. And uh they found his

472
00:29:51,520 --> 00:29:54,040
Speaker 1: body with a whole bunch of arrows sticking in it

473
00:29:54,360 --> 00:29:57,560
Speaker 1: back and arm, and it looked as though, if I

474
00:29:57,560 --> 00:30:03,080
Speaker 1: don't really know how he's extrapolating this information from what

475
00:30:03,120 --> 00:30:06,560
Speaker 1: he could see, but he's saying that some of the

476
00:30:06,720 --> 00:30:11,360
Speaker 1: arrows in the hands and uh, we're evidently shot while

477
00:30:11,400 --> 00:30:14,640
Speaker 1: he had his gun to his face in the act

478
00:30:14,760 --> 00:30:17,840
Speaker 1: of firing at them, disabling him so he cannot use

479
00:30:17,920 --> 00:30:21,080
Speaker 1: his gun a breech loader, causing him to turn and run.

480
00:30:21,200 --> 00:30:26,000
Speaker 1: He's like just and so they're saying that, like, ye,

481
00:30:26,600 --> 00:30:29,200
Speaker 1: the angle of the arrow was as though he was

482
00:30:29,240 --> 00:30:33,360
Speaker 1: holding a rifle, aiming and shooting. I think that's what

483
00:30:33,400 --> 00:30:38,160
Speaker 1: he's suggesting. Well, he might not be keen to is

484
00:30:38,280 --> 00:30:45,560
Speaker 1: the um elaborate ways in which bodies would be sort

485
00:30:45,600 --> 00:30:51,480
Speaker 1: of mutilated in symbolic ways and like things done to

486
00:30:51,560 --> 00:30:56,880
Speaker 1: bodies to like send messages or to impact one's experience

487
00:30:56,880 --> 00:31:00,880
Speaker 1: in the afterlife. So who knows. I also just feel

488
00:31:00,960 --> 00:31:03,280
Speaker 1: that like sure they might have hit him as he

489
00:31:03,400 --> 00:31:08,520
Speaker 1: was in the motion of shooting that rifle. But to

490
00:31:08,600 --> 00:31:11,760
Speaker 1: say that someone's like taking a stick bow, I don't

491
00:31:11,760 --> 00:31:14,440
Speaker 1: know what range, and they're like actively trying to shoot

492
00:31:14,480 --> 00:31:18,800
Speaker 1: a guy's forearm or hand to disable him. Like that's

493
00:31:18,800 --> 00:31:23,360
Speaker 1: some pretty accurate stuff, you know, And like it's not

494
00:31:23,400 --> 00:31:25,840
Speaker 1: like you're at the range, you know, shooting at at

495
00:31:25,880 --> 00:31:28,680
Speaker 1: a target that's not moving. You're like in part of

496
00:31:28,680 --> 00:31:30,360
Speaker 1: a raid and you're like, oh, I'm gonna hit it.

497
00:31:30,440 --> 00:31:32,480
Speaker 1: Hit him in the wrist, and so you can't shoot

498
00:31:32,520 --> 00:31:36,240
Speaker 1: at me anymore. Skeptic. The skepticism is the chance to

499
00:31:36,280 --> 00:31:41,360
Speaker 1: do the intellect. John m Maybe they're really bad shots,

500
00:31:41,400 --> 00:31:43,080
Speaker 1: and that's as good as it. I mean, they got

501
00:31:43,160 --> 00:31:47,040
Speaker 1: him in the hand, and they were yeah exactly, they

502
00:31:47,240 --> 00:31:49,120
Speaker 1: were firing arrows. Yeah, and they happened to hit him

503
00:31:49,120 --> 00:31:51,640
Speaker 1: in their arms or he was hiding behind a stone

504
00:31:52,520 --> 00:31:54,720
Speaker 1: mm hmmm, and that's all that was sticking up. That

505
00:31:54,760 --> 00:31:58,600
Speaker 1: could be too, But I wouldn't underestimate those bows, because um,

506
00:31:58,640 --> 00:32:01,480
Speaker 1: we're gonna have we're working having Michael punk back on

507
00:32:01,600 --> 00:32:04,320
Speaker 1: about his new book that's coming out, The Fat about

508
00:32:04,320 --> 00:32:10,280
Speaker 1: the Fetterman fight and they killed I think the Sioux

509
00:32:11,600 --> 00:32:14,000
Speaker 1: called it like the Battle of One in the Hand.

510
00:32:14,800 --> 00:32:19,520
Speaker 1: But they killed something like eighty four eighty four US

511
00:32:19,600 --> 00:32:24,160
Speaker 1: soldiers with bows. I mean, granted they had there was

512
00:32:24,200 --> 00:32:26,680
Speaker 1: two thousand against eighty four, but killed him with bows,

513
00:32:26,760 --> 00:32:30,239
Speaker 1: man like mostly I guess there was some firearms. They

514
00:32:30,320 --> 00:32:34,720
Speaker 1: mostly did it with that. So, but you'd also read

515
00:32:34,760 --> 00:32:37,520
Speaker 1: about bodies being left with a hundred arrows in them,

516
00:32:37,560 --> 00:32:40,480
Speaker 1: which I think is like you're basically saying to someone, yeah,

517
00:32:40,520 --> 00:32:43,600
Speaker 1: you're super dead. You're saying to someone like, man, this

518
00:32:43,680 --> 00:32:47,200
Speaker 1: is like kind of like where we live. Appreciate you're

519
00:32:47,240 --> 00:32:54,280
Speaker 1: not coming round. M hm, go on, That's all I

520
00:32:54,320 --> 00:32:59,920
Speaker 1: had about Constant. Yeah, that's pretty damn cool, though, well

521
00:33:00,120 --> 00:33:06,720
Speaker 1: is getting shot up for finding that tomb stone and

522
00:33:06,760 --> 00:33:09,200
Speaker 1: then learning about it just by reading a book. Because

523
00:33:09,200 --> 00:33:12,960
Speaker 1: you know what especially interesting about it is that everything

524
00:33:13,040 --> 00:33:16,320
Speaker 1: that happened, not everything, the vast majority of everything that

525
00:33:16,320 --> 00:33:21,160
Speaker 1: happens in that book is underwater. Yeah, it's under for Peg,

526
00:33:21,200 --> 00:33:27,080
Speaker 1: as an enterprising fellow would get himself a scuba tank

527
00:33:28,520 --> 00:33:30,480
Speaker 1: and go down and look around and find cool stuff.

528
00:33:32,440 --> 00:33:36,800
Speaker 1: Dig around down there. Okay, moving on, We're gonna talk

529
00:33:36,840 --> 00:33:38,880
Speaker 1: about turkeys. But as a segue to turkey talking. And

530
00:33:39,080 --> 00:33:40,960
Speaker 1: it's almost like I almost hesitate to bring this up

531
00:33:41,000 --> 00:33:44,720
Speaker 1: because it Uh, let me, let me put this question, Jason,

532
00:33:45,800 --> 00:33:46,920
Speaker 1: do you know what I want? Do you know what

533
00:33:46,960 --> 00:33:51,000
Speaker 1: Seth is gonna present for us? Yeah? Do what do

534
00:33:51,000 --> 00:33:54,840
Speaker 1: do you feel? Um? Are you like just do you

535
00:33:54,880 --> 00:33:57,800
Speaker 1: love turkeys and you're just interested in all things turkeys?

536
00:33:57,880 --> 00:34:00,560
Speaker 1: Or do you feel like this negates something or do

537
00:34:00,600 --> 00:34:04,480
Speaker 1: you feel that it like does this diminish the work

538
00:34:04,520 --> 00:34:07,640
Speaker 1: of a turkey caller? Or is this just why not

539
00:34:07,760 --> 00:34:10,440
Speaker 1: know about everything? That's true? No? I think I think

540
00:34:10,440 --> 00:34:12,560
Speaker 1: it's something we strive for, like some of what we're

541
00:34:12,560 --> 00:34:14,400
Speaker 1: gonna listen to, like man, you know, I hate the

542
00:34:14,440 --> 00:34:16,600
Speaker 1: sound of a box sometimes, but like man, that's really

543
00:34:16,640 --> 00:34:18,920
Speaker 1: boxy sound. And so it's just it makes me think, like,

544
00:34:18,960 --> 00:34:20,759
Speaker 1: how do we sound more like that? Even though we

545
00:34:20,800 --> 00:34:23,319
Speaker 1: all know what we've been doing works and we had

546
00:34:23,320 --> 00:34:25,320
Speaker 1: a little pre conversation before you got here, like you know,

547
00:34:25,440 --> 00:34:27,680
Speaker 1: cadence is important, you know some of the other stuff

548
00:34:27,719 --> 00:34:30,600
Speaker 1: that doesn't matter as much as the sound, um, you know.

549
00:34:30,640 --> 00:34:33,240
Speaker 1: And then I don't want to necessarily get ahead of ourselves.

550
00:34:33,239 --> 00:34:36,520
Speaker 1: But like the seventies seven yelper hand coming up like

551
00:34:37,040 --> 00:34:38,960
Speaker 1: you know, we've always been oh, seven and nine, no, yo,

552
00:34:39,120 --> 00:34:40,960
Speaker 1: you know, one lesson, you're not gonna call in the

553
00:34:41,000 --> 00:34:42,840
Speaker 1: bird ten yelps, you're not gonna call the bird in

554
00:34:42,920 --> 00:34:45,160
Speaker 1: like seven and nine. And then you hear this real

555
00:34:45,239 --> 00:34:47,840
Speaker 1: hand out there just going down. So it's like it

556
00:34:47,840 --> 00:34:51,040
Speaker 1: always makes you think, but I think is a you know,

557
00:34:51,040 --> 00:34:52,480
Speaker 1: a guy that tries to sound as much like the

558
00:34:52,520 --> 00:34:54,879
Speaker 1: real thing, like you always strive to like, hey, yeah,

559
00:34:55,040 --> 00:34:57,319
Speaker 1: she might sound off, but I think a lot of

560
00:34:57,360 --> 00:35:00,960
Speaker 1: real hands aren't great turkey colors. That what got me

561
00:35:01,040 --> 00:35:04,799
Speaker 1: interested in finding out about like looking this stuff up

562
00:35:05,320 --> 00:35:08,920
Speaker 1: is I found that it was more helpful to me

563
00:35:10,200 --> 00:35:16,279
Speaker 1: to go on YouTube like and learning about learning turkey calling, right,

564
00:35:17,480 --> 00:35:20,000
Speaker 1: It was almost more helpful for me to go on

565
00:35:20,040 --> 00:35:24,520
Speaker 1: YouTube and just find hands, yep, find video of hands

566
00:35:24,560 --> 00:35:27,879
Speaker 1: making noise, because oftentimes, like so often when you're out

567
00:35:27,880 --> 00:35:33,400
Speaker 1: in the woods and you hear turkeys, they're not doing

568
00:35:33,840 --> 00:35:38,520
Speaker 1: the playbook. They're not always doing the playbook that you're doing,

569
00:35:39,280 --> 00:35:40,799
Speaker 1: Like you have an idea of the playbook, but then

570
00:35:40,800 --> 00:35:42,640
Speaker 1: you're like you'll be sitting there in the darks sometime

571
00:35:42,680 --> 00:35:45,480
Speaker 1: and just hear some hand just like open a tree

572
00:35:46,840 --> 00:35:52,040
Speaker 1: going nuts. And you would feel funny doing that yep yep,

573
00:35:53,440 --> 00:35:56,040
Speaker 1: like and this this hand on YouTube that if you

574
00:35:56,120 --> 00:35:59,920
Speaker 1: heard a person out in the woods did the raunchieste

575
00:36:00,200 --> 00:36:04,680
Speaker 1: does seventy seven yelp in a row sequence, you'd be like,

576
00:36:04,800 --> 00:36:07,239
Speaker 1: what is that dude doing? Yeah, that's that's a guy. Yeah,

577
00:36:07,360 --> 00:36:10,279
Speaker 1: or you'd say, you know, after thirty four, you'd be like,

578
00:36:10,480 --> 00:36:16,239
Speaker 1: that's not a dude. Yeah, that guy that he'd have

579
00:36:16,239 --> 00:36:19,680
Speaker 1: passed out by Now. It's really interesting, man, it's really

580
00:36:19,719 --> 00:36:24,359
Speaker 1: interesting to go watch stuff they do. But then it's

581
00:36:24,360 --> 00:36:28,160
Speaker 1: worth bringing this up to uh, you know, the tent

582
00:36:28,320 --> 00:36:30,640
Speaker 1: legion that that it's kind of like a this famous

583
00:36:30,640 --> 00:36:35,799
Speaker 1: turkey hunt book by this guy, Colonel Tom Kelly. Uh

584
00:36:36,000 --> 00:36:40,520
Speaker 1: philis subject matter expert. You're Tom Kelly expert. No, Ben

585
00:36:40,600 --> 00:36:42,239
Speaker 1: has just been showing it down my throat for the

586
00:36:42,280 --> 00:36:46,040
Speaker 1: last few months, so um, hardy to avoid. It's a

587
00:36:46,040 --> 00:36:50,400
Speaker 1: good book about turkeys. But in it he tells the

588
00:36:50,480 --> 00:36:54,680
Speaker 1: story where he's out in the woods one day and

589
00:36:54,680 --> 00:36:57,520
Speaker 1: he's watching a group of I can't remember how if

590
00:36:57,520 --> 00:36:59,800
Speaker 1: he's watching. He's watching either a group of Hends or

591
00:37:01,480 --> 00:37:06,920
Speaker 1: a group of Toms going about their business, and a

592
00:37:07,040 --> 00:37:12,280
Speaker 1: hen shows up near him, and sets to just yelping

593
00:37:12,280 --> 00:37:17,439
Speaker 1: her ass off. Okay, it's like spring. And he said

594
00:37:17,600 --> 00:37:25,600
Speaker 1: the gobblers didn't even pick up their head. So in

595
00:37:25,680 --> 00:37:27,920
Speaker 1: terms of you know, there's a big thing about like

596
00:37:27,960 --> 00:37:30,319
Speaker 1: what mood are they in? Yeah, like what do they

597
00:37:30,320 --> 00:37:32,719
Speaker 1: got going on? So if you do something and it

598
00:37:32,760 --> 00:37:35,960
Speaker 1: doesn't respond in your heads, like he doesn't think I'm

599
00:37:36,000 --> 00:37:41,600
Speaker 1: a hen, right, yeah, but then that trick them. But

600
00:37:41,640 --> 00:37:44,319
Speaker 1: then here's a hand standing there and they're like their head.

601
00:37:44,920 --> 00:37:48,600
Speaker 1: Mike Chamberlain was saying that their testosterone levels changed daily

602
00:37:48,760 --> 00:37:52,000
Speaker 1: up and down, and one day I have that problem.

603
00:37:52,040 --> 00:37:56,480
Speaker 1: One day, one day their testosterone might be low and

604
00:37:56,560 --> 00:37:58,120
Speaker 1: you call to them and they don't give a ship.

605
00:37:58,320 --> 00:38:00,319
Speaker 1: But the next day you're on that same and his

606
00:38:00,360 --> 00:38:05,279
Speaker 1: testosterone levels have risen and he's like interested. Yeah, it

607
00:38:05,320 --> 00:38:08,279
Speaker 1: sounds like a bull elk man, I got it. I

608
00:38:08,320 --> 00:38:13,000
Speaker 1: got a little idea I'm hatching right now, testosterone injections

609
00:38:13,000 --> 00:38:17,200
Speaker 1: for turkeys, but corn out with testosterone keep me breaking

610
00:38:17,280 --> 00:38:22,920
Speaker 1: two logs. Yeah, I see. I've always been like, I've

611
00:38:22,920 --> 00:38:25,239
Speaker 1: always subscribed to the idea, Like, you know, their hand

612
00:38:25,320 --> 00:38:27,279
Speaker 1: up and if they got there for sure, thing like

613
00:38:27,320 --> 00:38:30,120
Speaker 1: they're not interested, but I'd be curious in that example

614
00:38:30,200 --> 00:38:32,000
Speaker 1: you shared, like when the real hen was next to him,

615
00:38:32,040 --> 00:38:35,040
Speaker 1: like it wasn't truly just a flock of Tom's or

616
00:38:35,080 --> 00:38:38,000
Speaker 1: were they locked down on a hand um, Because if they,

617
00:38:38,080 --> 00:38:39,879
Speaker 1: I would I would got to read the tent legion.

618
00:38:39,920 --> 00:38:41,719
Speaker 1: I would throw a fit. I would pack my calls

619
00:38:41,800 --> 00:38:43,960
Speaker 1: up and go home if it was nothing but Tom's

620
00:38:43,960 --> 00:38:45,680
Speaker 1: over there. No hens locked down and they didn't even

621
00:38:45,719 --> 00:38:47,520
Speaker 1: look at me. I'm all right, I'm I'm out of here.

622
00:38:47,520 --> 00:38:49,600
Speaker 1: You're having to change I've been having. I had a

623
00:38:49,600 --> 00:38:53,040
Speaker 1: big fight with Clay Nucom down in Texas where we

624
00:38:53,080 --> 00:38:58,160
Speaker 1: went out one day, bright, early in the morning to rattlebuxing.

625
00:38:58,800 --> 00:39:01,920
Speaker 1: Okay um, we had reason to believe based on Yanni

626
00:39:02,000 --> 00:39:04,160
Speaker 1: rattling a couple basically into the truck with them, we

627
00:39:04,200 --> 00:39:06,480
Speaker 1: had a reason to believe that on this property, ratling

628
00:39:06,520 --> 00:39:10,960
Speaker 1: worked very well. We go out in the morning and nothing,

629
00:39:12,680 --> 00:39:15,440
Speaker 1: and I'm like, damn, what's going on? You know? Then

630
00:39:15,480 --> 00:39:17,799
Speaker 1: we go in the middle of the day and one

631
00:39:17,840 --> 00:39:20,839
Speaker 1: after the other and I don't think it's at their

632
00:39:20,880 --> 00:39:24,200
Speaker 1: testospherone level spiked. I argued to Clay that I'm like,

633
00:39:24,480 --> 00:39:26,359
Speaker 1: for lack of a better word, I think bucks are

634
00:39:26,360 --> 00:39:30,880
Speaker 1: bored at two o'clock, and I think in the morning

635
00:39:30,920 --> 00:39:32,680
Speaker 1: they're kind of like, oh, the dolls are doing this,

636
00:39:32,760 --> 00:39:36,840
Speaker 1: they're moving around, stuff's going on. And then everybody's just

637
00:39:36,920 --> 00:39:40,320
Speaker 1: laying around board off their asses, and they hear a

638
00:39:40,440 --> 00:39:45,000
Speaker 1: rattle and he's in The dolls are bedded, and he's like,

639
00:39:45,160 --> 00:39:46,839
Speaker 1: I'd run over there real quick. I'm not gonna miss

640
00:39:46,840 --> 00:39:50,919
Speaker 1: out on something exciting. Yeah, I'm thinking, which Clay thought

641
00:39:50,920 --> 00:39:54,000
Speaker 1: that was a stupid idea. I'm thinking he's already checked

642
00:39:54,000 --> 00:39:56,200
Speaker 1: the betting area. He knows all those doughs are not

643
00:39:56,239 --> 00:39:59,279
Speaker 1: in heat, and he's like, whoa, somebody's fighting over hot

644
00:39:59,360 --> 00:40:02,200
Speaker 1: over here. So maybe not board, but you know what

645
00:40:02,200 --> 00:40:07,080
Speaker 1: I'm saying, His mood change, his circumstances changed in some

646
00:40:07,200 --> 00:40:10,399
Speaker 1: kind of predictable fashion at a certain time of day.

647
00:40:10,960 --> 00:40:30,840
Speaker 1: Maybe they're testosterone rises with the temperature. Mine doesn't. Okay,

648
00:40:30,920 --> 00:40:33,239
Speaker 1: seth share Uh, I don't know how you want to

649
00:40:33,239 --> 00:40:35,600
Speaker 1: do this. I want to play. So this is like

650
00:40:35,880 --> 00:40:39,920
Speaker 1: you got some good ones. I have a couple. Um here,

651
00:40:40,000 --> 00:40:43,239
Speaker 1: let's do this first. Which one of you boys, Derek

652
00:40:43,280 --> 00:40:45,840
Speaker 1: or Jayson, Which one of you boys wants to um

653
00:40:46,000 --> 00:40:50,920
Speaker 1: give us like a conservative hunter sits in the woods

654
00:40:52,400 --> 00:40:56,759
Speaker 1: and goals yep, yep, yep, yep. Am I gonna use

655
00:40:56,800 --> 00:40:59,719
Speaker 1: your collar yawnies. It doesn't matter to me, man, whatever

656
00:40:59,760 --> 00:41:01,440
Speaker 1: one you think it's gonna be the most conservative for

657
00:41:01,480 --> 00:41:08,279
Speaker 1: you sitting in the woods, I'm not using either of yours.

658
00:41:08,320 --> 00:41:13,360
Speaker 1: I mean used to meat coal. Okay. This is a

659
00:41:13,400 --> 00:41:16,600
Speaker 1: conservative turkey hunter who's like, man, I gotta play it cool.

660
00:41:17,160 --> 00:41:25,760
Speaker 1: I don't want to give these turkeys the wrong idea. Okay,

661
00:41:26,320 --> 00:41:28,000
Speaker 1: now is that like that's probably still like they're just

662
00:41:28,000 --> 00:41:29,200
Speaker 1: out of the tree or still in the tree, like

663
00:41:29,239 --> 00:41:32,280
Speaker 1: real quick, I call that conservative. Al right now, SA's

664
00:41:32,320 --> 00:41:35,319
Speaker 1: gonna share with us like some some turkey noises. Yeah,

665
00:41:35,400 --> 00:41:38,520
Speaker 1: so I love these things. This first one just totally

666
00:41:38,840 --> 00:41:45,680
Speaker 1: debunks the the like, don't call too much. Seven to nine, yep, Cadence,

667
00:42:02,440 --> 00:42:04,480
Speaker 1: just not stop. It's like having a kazoo out in

668
00:42:04,520 --> 00:42:29,200
Speaker 1: the woods. That's the hunter. That's the hunter. I love it.

669
00:42:29,360 --> 00:42:33,960
Speaker 1: So after hearing that, you know, maybe you could call

670
00:42:34,000 --> 00:42:40,600
Speaker 1: a little bit more. Yeah, because if they don't come

671
00:42:40,600 --> 00:42:42,080
Speaker 1: in your eyes, like I'm gonna give him the sigh

672
00:42:42,120 --> 00:42:44,239
Speaker 1: of the treatment. Yeah, no, one's I don't know. Maybe

673
00:42:44,280 --> 00:42:45,879
Speaker 1: some people are. Maybe some people are like, dude, I'm

674
00:42:45,880 --> 00:42:49,440
Speaker 1: gonna pour the coals to it. There is there are

675
00:42:50,400 --> 00:42:52,560
Speaker 1: I can't remember the guy's name, someone that Jay Scott

676
00:42:52,640 --> 00:42:56,919
Speaker 1: hunted with, uh Yargust. Maybe you guys know that name.

677
00:42:57,040 --> 00:42:59,319
Speaker 1: He was like, there's so many guys that have been

678
00:42:59,400 --> 00:43:02,360
Speaker 1: like national turkey calling in championships, but I believe the

679
00:43:02,360 --> 00:43:05,720
Speaker 1: guy's name is Billy Argus. And that was the first

680
00:43:05,719 --> 00:43:07,680
Speaker 1: guy that Jay I think had heard and that I

681
00:43:07,680 --> 00:43:10,680
Speaker 1: had heard where like even in the dark on the

682
00:43:10,719 --> 00:43:15,319
Speaker 1: tree set up. His attitude is pour the coals to him,

683
00:43:15,680 --> 00:43:18,719
Speaker 1: just talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk

684
00:43:18,719 --> 00:43:21,040
Speaker 1: and be like, no, I am the only hand you

685
00:43:21,080 --> 00:43:24,319
Speaker 1: need to be focused on right here me and just

686
00:43:24,520 --> 00:43:27,000
Speaker 1: hammer at him. And he had great success. I like

687
00:43:27,080 --> 00:43:31,799
Speaker 1: that guy, that's your style. Yeah, I don't the whole

688
00:43:31,840 --> 00:43:34,480
Speaker 1: like be quiet, be patient, that's that's not good. I

689
00:43:34,520 --> 00:43:36,440
Speaker 1: want to be like that hand. I just want to

690
00:43:36,520 --> 00:43:39,200
Speaker 1: run that call as much as possible. Hit. That's what

691
00:43:39,239 --> 00:43:42,880
Speaker 1: another one seth Okay, So this one is a hand

692
00:43:42,960 --> 00:43:46,759
Speaker 1: that if if I heard this, hen let's say I'm

693
00:43:46,760 --> 00:43:50,120
Speaker 1: in Pennsylvania and I'm walking through the woods and I

694
00:43:50,160 --> 00:43:52,319
Speaker 1: hear this, I'm like, that is a dude on a

695
00:43:52,320 --> 00:43:58,480
Speaker 1: box call and he sounds terrible. Um, this this turkey's

696
00:43:58,600 --> 00:44:12,000
Speaker 1: clocks are more like squeaks. Like some sound good, but

697
00:44:12,120 --> 00:44:37,440
Speaker 1: you'll hear a couple. They're just like squeaks. H m hmm.

698
00:44:41,040 --> 00:44:42,440
Speaker 1: Like every once in a while there's one in there.

699
00:44:42,440 --> 00:44:44,799
Speaker 1: It's just like a squeak, and I'd be like, that's dude,

700
00:44:44,840 --> 00:44:47,279
Speaker 1: just like messed up a little bits like there's a

701
00:44:47,320 --> 00:44:53,520
Speaker 1: problem with his box called. Yeah. So yeah, real turkey,

702
00:44:53,920 --> 00:44:55,480
Speaker 1: you got another good one. Hits one more good one,

703
00:44:55,480 --> 00:44:58,160
Speaker 1: you'll be I'll clean this all up, right Phil, This one,

704
00:44:58,320 --> 00:45:02,080
Speaker 1: this one's just a hand that gob that's gobbling. Oh,

705
00:45:03,040 --> 00:45:22,080
Speaker 1: which is interesting. That's the hunter turkey. That's a hand,

706
00:45:22,120 --> 00:45:28,239
Speaker 1: that's a hand. Yeah. And if I heard that in

707
00:45:28,239 --> 00:45:30,520
Speaker 1: the Turkey Woods with you know, a bunch of pressure

708
00:45:30,520 --> 00:45:31,840
Speaker 1: around me, be like, that's a dude on one of

709
00:45:31,840 --> 00:45:39,719
Speaker 1: those gobbles things. So that's a real turkey. This this

710
00:45:39,840 --> 00:45:54,919
Speaker 1: is right here. It's almost like a Jake gobble too,

711
00:45:55,640 --> 00:45:59,439
Speaker 1: kind of halfhearted. Okay. One of the things we wanted

712
00:45:59,480 --> 00:46:01,440
Speaker 1: to do in head into this is uh and headed

713
00:46:01,440 --> 00:46:04,680
Speaker 1: in talking about some of this is um, we're trying

714
00:46:04,680 --> 00:46:07,840
Speaker 1: to get our favorite turkey biologist, Mike Chamberlain. What's this

715
00:46:07,960 --> 00:46:10,920
Speaker 1: what's his Instagram thing called super Interesting Man? Oh? I

716
00:46:10,960 --> 00:46:14,719
Speaker 1: love his posts Wild Turkey Doc, dude. They should have

717
00:46:14,760 --> 00:46:16,279
Speaker 1: it be that he's the only person that can be

718
00:46:16,320 --> 00:46:21,600
Speaker 1: on Instagram, Like Instagram should just be his thing and

719
00:46:21,640 --> 00:46:25,520
Speaker 1: everybody has to follow it. Yeah, because it's like it's

720
00:46:25,560 --> 00:46:33,600
Speaker 1: just like information, useful, applicable information. I like how he

721
00:46:33,640 --> 00:46:37,240
Speaker 1: apologizes to for like being too long, Like he knows,

722
00:46:37,640 --> 00:46:40,440
Speaker 1: he knows like how much people can tolerate and how

723
00:46:40,560 --> 00:46:43,040
Speaker 1: much they want to read. A lot of times I'll

724
00:46:43,080 --> 00:46:45,320
Speaker 1: be like, all right, a little bit longer this Tuesday.

725
00:46:45,320 --> 00:46:47,719
Speaker 1: He only gives you one a week. Yeah, what's this

726
00:46:47,760 --> 00:46:52,719
Speaker 1: thing called? Is handles? Wild Turkey Doc? Yeah just one

727
00:46:52,760 --> 00:46:56,360
Speaker 1: word and yeah, I highly recommend checking them out. Instagram

728
00:46:56,360 --> 00:46:59,719
Speaker 1: should be called wild Turkey dock. And when you go,

729
00:47:00,000 --> 00:47:03,960
Speaker 1: it's just his stuff. No, you can't start like an

730
00:47:03,960 --> 00:47:06,279
Speaker 1: account and start putting your own stupid stuff up there.

731
00:47:06,280 --> 00:47:11,680
Speaker 1: It's just his stuff. So Karan asked him a question.

732
00:47:11,680 --> 00:47:13,880
Speaker 1: We're here because I don't think we asked this before.

733
00:47:15,360 --> 00:47:19,880
Speaker 1: Uh Karan wanted. We wanted to ask him mainly, Um,

734
00:47:19,960 --> 00:47:21,879
Speaker 1: what is going through a turkey's mind when it's being

735
00:47:21,920 --> 00:47:26,680
Speaker 1: called at right. We do all the talking about like

736
00:47:26,760 --> 00:47:30,960
Speaker 1: mimicking the sounds, but what might be on the turkey,

737
00:47:31,080 --> 00:47:35,600
Speaker 1: like the one receiving the noise? What does it really cape?

738
00:47:35,719 --> 00:47:38,479
Speaker 1: Is it really sitting there being like m mm hmmm,

739
00:47:39,640 --> 00:47:44,359
Speaker 1: is that a person or what? Yeah? Or is it

740
00:47:44,400 --> 00:47:46,399
Speaker 1: like is it telling me to come? Is it telling

741
00:47:46,400 --> 00:47:48,719
Speaker 1: me to go and telling me that there's a good

742
00:47:48,760 --> 00:47:52,240
Speaker 1: food over there? Right? Yeah? Does this sound like sex

743
00:47:52,239 --> 00:47:58,239
Speaker 1: sex sex sex sex or food? Food? Food? That's old

744
00:47:58,280 --> 00:48:00,719
Speaker 1: Betty Lou over there. I remember her from last year.

745
00:48:03,040 --> 00:48:07,520
Speaker 1: Steve is dying to know what on earth is going

746
00:48:08,080 --> 00:48:13,759
Speaker 1: through a turkey's mind when it's called at well, that

747
00:48:13,920 --> 00:48:18,879
Speaker 1: is a good question. Unfortunately, we can't interview turkeys, so

748
00:48:18,960 --> 00:48:23,040
Speaker 1: it's hard to know with certainty what they think or

749
00:48:23,080 --> 00:48:27,680
Speaker 1: perceive when we call to them. But what we do

750
00:48:27,760 --> 00:48:31,879
Speaker 1: know is that turkeys at least partially recognize each other

751
00:48:31,960 --> 00:48:36,120
Speaker 1: based on their calls. We also know that, because of

752
00:48:36,160 --> 00:48:41,400
Speaker 1: the way hearing works in birds, that they perceive calls

753
00:48:41,480 --> 00:48:45,160
Speaker 1: differently than we do. So you kind of need to

754
00:48:45,200 --> 00:48:48,560
Speaker 1: think about, so how does a turkey here? If you

755
00:48:48,640 --> 00:48:53,279
Speaker 1: understand how they hear, then I think it helps kind

756
00:48:53,320 --> 00:48:57,640
Speaker 1: of navigate, Well, what are they perceiving. So turkeys they

757
00:48:57,640 --> 00:48:59,799
Speaker 1: don't have an external ear like we do, so they

758
00:48:59,800 --> 00:49:02,760
Speaker 1: don't and have flaps on the outside of their ears

759
00:49:02,800 --> 00:49:06,319
Speaker 1: that help funnel sound into their inner ear canals. You

760
00:49:06,360 --> 00:49:08,640
Speaker 1: can see the ear canal on the side of their head.

761
00:49:08,680 --> 00:49:12,160
Speaker 1: It's kind of just blow and behind their eyes. But

762
00:49:12,600 --> 00:49:16,879
Speaker 1: without an external ear flap, they have to come up

763
00:49:17,000 --> 00:49:20,480
Speaker 1: or or they have to use different ways of determining

764
00:49:20,560 --> 00:49:24,680
Speaker 1: direction and distance to sounds. So what what turkeys do

765
00:49:24,920 --> 00:49:28,960
Speaker 1: is a sound comes into one ear, and the ear

766
00:49:29,040 --> 00:49:32,920
Speaker 1: registers the volume of the sound, and the other ear

767
00:49:33,040 --> 00:49:37,280
Speaker 1: acts independently to register a different volume to that sound.

768
00:49:38,000 --> 00:49:40,640
Speaker 1: And if you watch turkeys, you'll see them do this.

769
00:49:40,719 --> 00:49:45,000
Speaker 1: They constantly are turning their heads. That allows them to

770
00:49:45,200 --> 00:49:48,840
Speaker 1: determine because they can figure out through that volume adjustment

771
00:49:49,040 --> 00:49:51,840
Speaker 1: where is the sound coming from left, right, up, down,

772
00:49:52,600 --> 00:49:55,080
Speaker 1: And as they turn their head, it helps them kind

773
00:49:55,080 --> 00:49:59,200
Speaker 1: of refine where exactly is that sound coming from. And

774
00:49:59,480 --> 00:50:01,920
Speaker 1: turkey h owners will tell you know, they have this

775
00:50:02,040 --> 00:50:07,240
Speaker 1: uncanny ability to just pinpoint the exact distance to a sound.

776
00:50:08,280 --> 00:50:11,920
Speaker 1: And the way they do that is because those sounds

777
00:50:11,920 --> 00:50:15,319
Speaker 1: are coming in their ears and being registered by the

778
00:50:15,400 --> 00:50:19,880
Speaker 1: brain differently than we hear sound, and because we also

779
00:50:19,960 --> 00:50:25,080
Speaker 1: know that birds in general hear different frequencies in calls

780
00:50:25,120 --> 00:50:28,560
Speaker 1: than we do. We call to a bird and there's

781
00:50:28,600 --> 00:50:31,239
Speaker 1: a very simple you help you, help you, help you up,

782
00:50:31,320 --> 00:50:35,200
Speaker 1: or whatever sound we make, and they hear that differently

783
00:50:35,280 --> 00:50:39,239
Speaker 1: because they can perceive different frequencies than we can. So

784
00:50:39,360 --> 00:50:43,280
Speaker 1: you you kind of factor that into the equation, combined

785
00:50:43,440 --> 00:50:45,680
Speaker 1: with the way that they hear sounds in the in

786
00:50:45,719 --> 00:50:50,520
Speaker 1: their ears, and that allows them to perceive much more

787
00:50:50,600 --> 00:50:55,960
Speaker 1: complex messages in calls than us humans are capable of perceiving.

788
00:50:56,440 --> 00:50:59,319
Speaker 1: So we don't really know. Again, I've never been able

789
00:50:59,360 --> 00:51:03,160
Speaker 1: to interview a tom to ask him, but we do

790
00:51:03,280 --> 00:51:06,399
Speaker 1: know that birds in general and turkeys obviously hear their

791
00:51:06,480 --> 00:51:10,440
Speaker 1: world differently than we do. So we know because of

792
00:51:10,800 --> 00:51:13,960
Speaker 1: how cute they're hearing is and because of the way

793
00:51:14,040 --> 00:51:19,799
Speaker 1: they're hearing works, they can pinpoint direction of sound with precision.

794
00:51:20,400 --> 00:51:23,920
Speaker 1: And a person once told me it was a famous

795
00:51:23,960 --> 00:51:28,759
Speaker 1: turkey researcher that imprinted birds and watch their behavior. He

796
00:51:28,800 --> 00:51:31,480
Speaker 1: told me that turkeys have an incredible sense of place,

797
00:51:31,840 --> 00:51:34,799
Speaker 1: and what he meant by that was they hear a

798
00:51:34,960 --> 00:51:39,719
Speaker 1: sound and they know exactly, not only the direction from

799
00:51:39,760 --> 00:51:43,560
Speaker 1: which that sound came, but where that sound originated from

800
00:51:43,560 --> 00:51:47,759
Speaker 1: on the landscape. They essentially have a GPS and they

801
00:51:47,880 --> 00:51:51,520
Speaker 1: can pinpoint that call or that sound came from that spot,

802
00:51:52,400 --> 00:51:55,399
Speaker 1: and they can go to that spot. And we see

803
00:51:55,440 --> 00:51:58,480
Speaker 1: this really commonly in some of our research where we

804
00:51:58,560 --> 00:52:03,160
Speaker 1: are tracking hunters and turkey simultaneously. So we we have

805
00:52:03,480 --> 00:52:06,560
Speaker 1: tom's that are running around with GPS units on, and

806
00:52:06,600 --> 00:52:09,960
Speaker 1: we have hunters that are carrying a GPS in their jacket.

807
00:52:11,040 --> 00:52:14,320
Speaker 1: It's bizarre, but turkey hunters have we know this occurs,

808
00:52:14,360 --> 00:52:17,839
Speaker 1: but we've had numerous situations where a person ends up

809
00:52:18,000 --> 00:52:23,560
Speaker 1: calling to a bird from a spot, leaves because the

810
00:52:23,600 --> 00:52:27,479
Speaker 1: turkey doesn't show up, and three or four hours later,

811
00:52:27,520 --> 00:52:30,000
Speaker 1: the bird ends up at the exact same spot the hunter,

812
00:52:32,400 --> 00:52:36,240
Speaker 1: and that just tells you that the bird knew exactly

813
00:52:36,239 --> 00:52:39,360
Speaker 1: where that call was coming from. It just wasn't in

814
00:52:39,480 --> 00:52:42,360
Speaker 1: his routine that morning to walk over to that sound.

815
00:52:42,400 --> 00:52:44,239
Speaker 1: He said, you know what, I'll go check that out

816
00:52:44,360 --> 00:52:47,080
Speaker 1: a few hours from now, because my morning routine is

817
00:52:47,560 --> 00:52:49,600
Speaker 1: I'm going over here and do this and then I'll

818
00:52:50,000 --> 00:52:52,960
Speaker 1: get back to to that sound. So to take a

819
00:52:53,000 --> 00:52:57,200
Speaker 1: little detour, Yeah, yeah, yeah, And I've actually put some

820
00:52:57,360 --> 00:52:59,920
Speaker 1: maps out on social media showing what that looks like.

821
00:53:00,040 --> 00:53:03,800
Speaker 1: It's really crazy. They they'll end up hours down the

822
00:53:03,880 --> 00:53:08,480
Speaker 1: road right where you were sitting. Wow. Yeah, that's that's why.

823
00:53:08,600 --> 00:53:15,800
Speaker 1: That's why God made naps. Like I'll often make mistaken

824
00:53:16,000 --> 00:53:19,480
Speaker 1: of having my naps somewhere else, Like you go off

825
00:53:19,520 --> 00:53:21,440
Speaker 1: to a good nap spot. What you should do is

826
00:53:21,480 --> 00:53:25,600
Speaker 1: your last call session at nap time. You should pick

827
00:53:25,640 --> 00:53:28,040
Speaker 1: a good spot. I'll sometimes do this, like a good

828
00:53:28,080 --> 00:53:32,480
Speaker 1: little Heidi spot where you can call nothing calms and

829
00:53:32,520 --> 00:53:36,440
Speaker 1: then take your nap right there. I'm gonna write a

830
00:53:36,440 --> 00:53:39,360
Speaker 1: book about that. I'll tell you a story about choosing

831
00:53:39,400 --> 00:53:44,480
Speaker 1: a bad nap spot. Please. Yanni was there. This was

832
00:53:44,760 --> 00:53:47,600
Speaker 1: what two seasons ago when we took Maggie and Tracy

833
00:53:47,680 --> 00:53:52,720
Speaker 1: hunt turkey for the show. Um the turkey that Maggie

834
00:53:52,800 --> 00:53:57,600
Speaker 1: and Yanni were after we called to and then he

835
00:53:57,719 --> 00:54:00,960
Speaker 1: ended up drifting away and we laid down and took

836
00:54:00,960 --> 00:54:03,160
Speaker 1: a nap, and I woke up to a turkey putton

837
00:54:03,280 --> 00:54:06,840
Speaker 1: and opened my eyes and the turkeys standing two ft

838
00:54:06,840 --> 00:54:09,400
Speaker 1: from Maggie. Oh, he had come. He had come and

839
00:54:09,480 --> 00:54:12,960
Speaker 1: was standing like she could have reached over and smacked

840
00:54:12,960 --> 00:54:16,439
Speaker 1: the bird just like Dr Chamberlain was saying, no, kid

841
00:54:16,560 --> 00:54:18,840
Speaker 1: man just walked right into us. There's a bunch of

842
00:54:18,840 --> 00:54:22,080
Speaker 1: people sleeping there. You know what else I'm thinking about

843
00:54:22,120 --> 00:54:26,960
Speaker 1: as he's answering his question, is this idea that you

844
00:54:27,000 --> 00:54:30,359
Speaker 1: know when when we look at dear what dear c right,

845
00:54:30,880 --> 00:54:33,960
Speaker 1: like when you look at your setup camo and all that,

846
00:54:34,040 --> 00:54:36,320
Speaker 1: Like you're looking at you, you have like an idea

847
00:54:36,320 --> 00:54:38,080
Speaker 1: of what it looks like. But then you get into

848
00:54:38,120 --> 00:54:41,000
Speaker 1: how deer's eyes are or duck's eyes are or whatever.

849
00:54:41,760 --> 00:54:44,600
Speaker 1: Their experience is probably totally different. Like you can't even

850
00:54:44,440 --> 00:54:48,080
Speaker 1: you'll never maybe not ever, I can't foresee where you

851
00:54:48,120 --> 00:54:50,280
Speaker 1: would look through a thing that shows you what it sees.

852
00:54:51,160 --> 00:54:53,680
Speaker 1: But from all indications are it is not seeing what

853
00:54:53,760 --> 00:54:58,440
Speaker 1: you see, and so you're you're you're sort of like extrapolating,

854
00:54:58,760 --> 00:55:01,120
Speaker 1: you know. I think that's why trial and air is

855
00:55:01,160 --> 00:55:03,280
Speaker 1: so expensive. You can't just look and be like that's hidden.

856
00:55:04,480 --> 00:55:07,200
Speaker 1: It's it has to be more like I've done this thing,

857
00:55:07,200 --> 00:55:09,359
Speaker 1: and here's how the animals respond, and I've done this thing.

858
00:55:09,360 --> 00:55:11,600
Speaker 1: Here's how Andrew respond. I don't know what it is.

859
00:55:12,600 --> 00:55:16,120
Speaker 1: I can't replicate it, but I'm learning that this type

860
00:55:16,120 --> 00:55:19,680
Speaker 1: of thing really gets their attention, you know, this type

861
00:55:19,719 --> 00:55:24,640
Speaker 1: of thing they just look right through. Um. Abernathey, who's

862
00:55:24,680 --> 00:55:29,160
Speaker 1: a biologist, was saying one time he would talk about

863
00:55:29,160 --> 00:55:32,439
Speaker 1: iridescence on birds and bird he's I know he's talking

864
00:55:32,440 --> 00:55:34,280
Speaker 1: about what they hear, but he's talking about bird vision.

865
00:55:35,600 --> 00:55:38,359
Speaker 1: And um he thinks that when a turkey looks at

866
00:55:38,360 --> 00:55:41,720
Speaker 1: a turkey, it just is not seeing what you see

867
00:55:43,200 --> 00:55:46,120
Speaker 1: in terms of the iridescence on those feathers. So when

868
00:55:46,120 --> 00:55:48,360
Speaker 1: they so, when they're looking at like a foam decoy

869
00:55:48,520 --> 00:55:50,520
Speaker 1: versus a real bird, it might not even look close.

870
00:55:50,760 --> 00:55:52,959
Speaker 1: Even though all right, it looks like another turkey, it's

871
00:55:53,040 --> 00:55:55,520
Speaker 1: not not what he says. He thinks that fan is

872
00:55:55,600 --> 00:56:01,160
Speaker 1: just screaming at that turkey. I agree, I would. I

873
00:56:01,200 --> 00:56:05,239
Speaker 1: think it's like fireworks going on. And then like now

874
00:56:05,320 --> 00:56:07,400
Speaker 1: back at home, like the big things like real turkey

875
00:56:07,480 --> 00:56:09,800
Speaker 1: like stuff for decoys, you carry like a full mounted

876
00:56:09,960 --> 00:56:11,799
Speaker 1: bird around with you and then that way you get

877
00:56:11,800 --> 00:56:14,120
Speaker 1: the full you know, you got a real bird sitting there.

878
00:56:14,160 --> 00:56:16,440
Speaker 1: But I wonder if you see, like you said, it

879
00:56:16,480 --> 00:56:18,200
Speaker 1: comes back to testing, like you have to test that

880
00:56:18,320 --> 00:56:19,799
Speaker 1: over and over and over out in the field to

881
00:56:19,800 --> 00:56:24,240
Speaker 1: see if it works any better. He he was very early,

882
00:56:25,239 --> 00:56:27,920
Speaker 1: long time ago, this Abernath. He started messing around with

883
00:56:28,239 --> 00:56:30,920
Speaker 1: real turkey feather decoys and he just took a decoy

884
00:56:30,920 --> 00:56:32,800
Speaker 1: and got a hot glue gun and glued the feathers

885
00:56:32,840 --> 00:56:35,680
Speaker 1: onto the thing. And he had one with him when

886
00:56:35,680 --> 00:56:37,319
Speaker 1: I was hunting with him in Florida, and I can't

887
00:56:37,320 --> 00:56:40,080
Speaker 1: hear what he said. He said something like, thirty two

888
00:56:40,080 --> 00:56:46,880
Speaker 1: turkeys have seen this decoin, they're all dead. That works.

889
00:56:48,440 --> 00:56:54,680
Speaker 1: What constitutes a quote unquote good call versus a bad call?

890
00:56:55,480 --> 00:56:59,279
Speaker 1: We have Well, let's say we as a human being,

891
00:56:59,360 --> 00:57:01,319
Speaker 1: I can listen to a call and think, oh, that

892
00:57:01,400 --> 00:57:04,600
Speaker 1: sounded pretty good, But we have absolutely no idea what

893
00:57:04,640 --> 00:57:06,959
Speaker 1: a turkey thinks is a good call or a bad call.

894
00:57:07,719 --> 00:57:10,720
Speaker 1: And any turkey hunter can tell you this. If they've

895
00:57:10,840 --> 00:57:14,200
Speaker 1: hunted enough that you'll use one call and get no

896
00:57:14,320 --> 00:57:17,360
Speaker 1: response whatsoever, and you take a different call out of

897
00:57:17,360 --> 00:57:19,360
Speaker 1: your vest, and all of a sudden there's a bird

898
00:57:19,440 --> 00:57:22,480
Speaker 1: that's gobbling and he's right there. Why didn't he call

899
00:57:22,640 --> 00:57:25,440
Speaker 1: to the first call and he did to the second?

900
00:57:25,680 --> 00:57:30,200
Speaker 1: Or another experience we've all had is you start calling

901
00:57:30,280 --> 00:57:34,040
Speaker 1: and suddenly there's a bird a hen that's nearby and

902
00:57:34,160 --> 00:57:37,800
Speaker 1: she's mad as hell, and she approaches you and starts

903
00:57:37,800 --> 00:57:40,160
Speaker 1: cutting at you and yelping at you. And we don't

904
00:57:40,160 --> 00:57:43,640
Speaker 1: know what she's thinking, but presumably because we know they

905
00:57:43,680 --> 00:57:47,280
Speaker 1: recognize each other based on their calls, she either doesn't

906
00:57:47,320 --> 00:57:51,880
Speaker 1: recognize you and wonders why you're there, or she thinks

907
00:57:51,920 --> 00:57:54,720
Speaker 1: she recognizes you and she doesn't want you there. I mean,

908
00:57:54,760 --> 00:57:58,920
Speaker 1: that's the two logical assumptions I have. Either way, for

909
00:57:59,000 --> 00:58:02,600
Speaker 1: whatever reason, that call caused her to get upset, and

910
00:58:02,720 --> 00:58:05,440
Speaker 1: she comes and tries to find you so that she

911
00:58:05,520 --> 00:58:08,640
Speaker 1: can tell you that she's upset. So we don't really know.

912
00:58:09,160 --> 00:58:11,840
Speaker 1: I mean, I can call okay now. But I killed

913
00:58:11,880 --> 00:58:15,120
Speaker 1: turkeys years ago. When my calling sucked, I thought he sucked,

914
00:58:15,200 --> 00:58:17,640
Speaker 1: but there was a bird out there that didn't agree

915
00:58:17,680 --> 00:58:21,400
Speaker 1: with me, and I thought, hey, that sounds pretty good.

916
00:58:21,440 --> 00:58:23,880
Speaker 1: And I think a lot of it goes back to

917
00:58:23,920 --> 00:58:28,200
Speaker 1: the ecology of the bird. Because a hen, she's thinking

918
00:58:28,440 --> 00:58:32,440
Speaker 1: in her mind, she's geared to reproduce and lay a

919
00:58:32,520 --> 00:58:37,040
Speaker 1: nest and hatch in the spring. She has grown up

920
00:58:37,040 --> 00:58:41,960
Speaker 1: around other turkeys, and she recognizes their calls and she

921
00:58:42,000 --> 00:58:45,000
Speaker 1: recognizes what they look like. That's the other way that

922
00:58:45,000 --> 00:58:47,440
Speaker 1: that we think turkeys recognize each other is based on

923
00:58:47,480 --> 00:58:50,439
Speaker 1: their heads, which is one reason why you'll often see

924
00:58:50,480 --> 00:58:53,400
Speaker 1: turkeys when they're fighting, they're pecking at each other's heads

925
00:58:53,560 --> 00:58:56,720
Speaker 1: because that's their form of recognition. So you have a

926
00:58:56,840 --> 00:59:00,800
Speaker 1: hen who's geared towards reproduction and she is going to

927
00:59:00,840 --> 00:59:04,000
Speaker 1: be by herself and spend part of the spring alone.

928
00:59:04,720 --> 00:59:07,440
Speaker 1: She's been gregarious prior to that, meaning she's been in

929
00:59:07,440 --> 00:59:10,800
Speaker 1: a group prior to that, and she recognizes everybody in

930
00:59:10,840 --> 00:59:14,720
Speaker 1: her group. The tom's, on the other hand, they're geared

931
00:59:14,760 --> 00:59:21,160
Speaker 1: towards reproduction solely, and their fitness improves by breeding more hens.

932
00:59:21,200 --> 00:59:23,400
Speaker 1: So the more hens I can breed, the more fit

933
00:59:23,520 --> 00:59:27,800
Speaker 1: I am. So in his mind, he may not care

934
00:59:28,160 --> 00:59:32,920
Speaker 1: whether he's hearing Sally or Janet or Susan or whoever.

935
00:59:34,680 --> 00:59:40,280
Speaker 1: He's just thinking, I can reproduce with that sound, and

936
00:59:40,840 --> 00:59:44,080
Speaker 1: that's a good thing. So it makes sense that tom's

937
00:59:44,080 --> 00:59:48,280
Speaker 1: would be more responsive to a wider variety of calls,

938
00:59:48,520 --> 00:59:52,400
Speaker 1: you know, a crappy call or you know a world champion,

939
00:59:52,640 --> 00:59:57,480
Speaker 1: Grand champion caller, because they're thinking with reproduction on them,

940
00:59:57,480 --> 00:59:59,800
Speaker 1: you know, on the mind. That's the way I kind

941
00:59:59,800 --> 01:00:03,800
Speaker 1: of I kind of look at it. Given how acute

942
01:00:03,800 --> 01:00:07,280
Speaker 1: turkey hearing is, you know, do we do we need

943
01:00:07,320 --> 01:00:12,320
Speaker 1: to screech at them at the figuratively the top of

944
01:00:12,320 --> 01:00:14,360
Speaker 1: our lungs and we when we call to them. Do

945
01:00:14,400 --> 01:00:18,800
Speaker 1: we really need to be like that loud and obnoxious. Um, well,

946
01:00:18,840 --> 01:00:21,479
Speaker 1: they're going to be some people that disagree with this,

947
01:00:21,760 --> 01:00:25,960
Speaker 1: but no, no, we don't. There are situations where using

948
01:00:25,960 --> 01:00:29,560
Speaker 1: a really loud call when you're trying to locate a bird,

949
01:00:29,720 --> 01:00:32,760
Speaker 1: maybe the winds blowing, or you're you're trying to project

950
01:00:32,960 --> 01:00:36,520
Speaker 1: sound in the environment at distance to hope that he

951
01:00:36,560 --> 01:00:41,240
Speaker 1: can hear you. Yes, that's grounds for squawking away. But

952
01:00:41,360 --> 01:00:44,640
Speaker 1: if you're fairly close to a bird, and when I

953
01:00:44,720 --> 01:00:48,320
Speaker 1: say fairly close several hundred yards, you don't need to

954
01:00:48,360 --> 01:00:53,320
Speaker 1: call loudly. This bird can hear very very subtle sounds.

955
01:00:53,400 --> 01:00:56,480
Speaker 1: And we've all probably been in this situation where you

956
01:00:56,480 --> 01:00:59,400
Speaker 1: you're scratching the leaves, or you reach over to pick

957
01:00:59,480 --> 01:01:02,400
Speaker 1: up your call all and you make a noise and

958
01:01:02,640 --> 01:01:06,280
Speaker 1: a bird gowls. I tend to call louder than I

959
01:01:06,320 --> 01:01:09,640
Speaker 1: think I probably need to. And the reason I say

960
01:01:09,680 --> 01:01:12,800
Speaker 1: that is one of the best turkey hunters that I've

961
01:01:12,840 --> 01:01:17,520
Speaker 1: ever been around he calls so soft that I can

962
01:01:17,600 --> 01:01:20,680
Speaker 1: barely hear him when I'm sitting with him. And that's

963
01:01:20,720 --> 01:01:24,920
Speaker 1: that's the truth. It's crazy. And before I started hunting

964
01:01:24,920 --> 01:01:28,680
Speaker 1: with this guy, I tended to call much louder than

965
01:01:28,720 --> 01:01:32,920
Speaker 1: he he does, and I was successful. It worked, but

966
01:01:33,080 --> 01:01:37,080
Speaker 1: sometimes it didn't. And when this guy calls, he calls

967
01:01:37,160 --> 01:01:40,720
Speaker 1: so softly and so subtly that I'm serious that you

968
01:01:40,800 --> 01:01:44,280
Speaker 1: I'm sitting ten yards from him. It's it's so soft

969
01:01:44,400 --> 01:01:48,200
Speaker 1: that I can barely hear the notes, and yet birds

970
01:01:48,320 --> 01:01:51,200
Speaker 1: come right to us. In fact, I don't even call

971
01:01:51,240 --> 01:01:53,240
Speaker 1: when I hunt with this guy anymore. I just let

972
01:01:53,360 --> 01:01:56,600
Speaker 1: him call because what few times we hunted together last year,

973
01:01:57,120 --> 01:01:59,640
Speaker 1: we had birds in front of us almost every single time,

974
01:01:59,720 --> 01:02:02,080
Speaker 1: so it was like, well, you do the calling. I've

975
01:02:02,120 --> 01:02:05,600
Speaker 1: also been in situations where I made calls and just

976
01:02:05,640 --> 01:02:09,480
Speaker 1: scratched in the leaves or did something really subtle, really quiet,

977
01:02:09,600 --> 01:02:13,440
Speaker 1: and birds are responding from hundreds of yards away. And

978
01:02:13,680 --> 01:02:15,600
Speaker 1: then kind of back to some of the other things

979
01:02:15,600 --> 01:02:18,960
Speaker 1: we've talked about. That allows a bird, because they can

980
01:02:19,000 --> 01:02:22,840
Speaker 1: hear so well, that allows them that GPS at internal GPS,

981
01:02:22,920 --> 01:02:26,000
Speaker 1: to figure out that's where that scratching and the leaves

982
01:02:26,040 --> 01:02:28,840
Speaker 1: came from I'm going over there and I'll check that out.

983
01:02:29,720 --> 01:02:32,760
Speaker 1: I do think in general we tend to call too

984
01:02:32,840 --> 01:02:36,880
Speaker 1: much because the bird, once they hear you, they know

985
01:02:36,920 --> 01:02:39,560
Speaker 1: where you're at. They know, okay, well that call came

986
01:02:39,600 --> 01:02:43,440
Speaker 1: from right over there. So once the bird realizes you're there,

987
01:02:44,320 --> 01:02:47,960
Speaker 1: in my opinion, you're better off to call quietly, if

988
01:02:48,000 --> 01:02:51,240
Speaker 1: at all, once they've responded, because they know you're there

989
01:02:51,480 --> 01:02:53,840
Speaker 1: and they know exactly how to get to you on

990
01:02:53,880 --> 01:02:57,160
Speaker 1: their own terms, which unfortunately often ends up with them

991
01:02:57,160 --> 01:02:59,920
Speaker 1: winning and us losing. But they know how to get

992
01:03:00,080 --> 01:03:04,320
Speaker 1: to where you are with precision. Man, I'll tell you

993
01:03:04,360 --> 01:03:07,960
Speaker 1: all this talk about the randomness of it or they're

994
01:03:08,000 --> 01:03:11,280
Speaker 1: crazy noises there is because I've just seen it so

995
01:03:11,320 --> 01:03:16,680
Speaker 1: many times. People that are just so good, like Jason,

996
01:03:16,680 --> 01:03:19,040
Speaker 1: you know what you've talked to guys uck right, Like

997
01:03:19,160 --> 01:03:21,720
Speaker 1: I've just I've gone out hunt with guys up where

998
01:03:21,760 --> 01:03:25,000
Speaker 1: I've gone out and hunted all morning on a place okay,

999
01:03:25,040 --> 01:03:29,160
Speaker 1: with whatever results, sometimes good, sometimes not. But then guy,

1000
01:03:29,200 --> 01:03:30,800
Speaker 1: I'll be in the afternoon like, oh, let's gonn take

1001
01:03:30,800 --> 01:03:37,000
Speaker 1: a walk, and he let's go out and like starts calling,

1002
01:03:38,120 --> 01:03:40,680
Speaker 1: you know, to get a gobble, and it's like someone

1003
01:03:40,680 --> 01:03:42,800
Speaker 1: putting like a ton of pressure squeezing a zip man,

1004
01:03:42,840 --> 01:03:49,680
Speaker 1: because he just keep like very quietly, just like going going, going, going, going, going,

1005
01:03:49,960 --> 01:03:53,520
Speaker 1: going going, and all of a a sudden, like it's like

1006
01:03:53,600 --> 01:03:56,680
Speaker 1: the thing just like can't like he lays it out

1007
01:03:56,680 --> 01:03:58,800
Speaker 1: in the way that the bird just cannot help itself.

1008
01:03:59,680 --> 01:04:01,360
Speaker 1: Like when dude goes out, he's going to call in

1009
01:04:01,360 --> 01:04:05,920
Speaker 1: a turkey morning or afternoon? Is he tricking you with timing?

1010
01:04:05,960 --> 01:04:09,600
Speaker 1: So like the old times, the old timers, like the

1011
01:04:09,600 --> 01:04:11,360
Speaker 1: old timers like we were always the young bucks, like

1012
01:04:11,400 --> 01:04:12,720
Speaker 1: get up, you want to hear all the birds on

1013
01:04:12,760 --> 01:04:14,920
Speaker 1: the rust. Just get that, you know that fun in

1014
01:04:14,960 --> 01:04:16,880
Speaker 1: And then the old timer he's like back at camp

1015
01:04:16,880 --> 01:04:19,880
Speaker 1: eating breakfast, drinking his coffee. He's gonna let all of

1016
01:04:19,960 --> 01:04:21,520
Speaker 1: us come back, take our nap. He's gonna go out

1017
01:04:21,600 --> 01:04:23,560
Speaker 1: noon and kill the bird. This isn't the old This

1018
01:04:23,600 --> 01:04:26,120
Speaker 1: isn't the old noon trick. This is like the this

1019
01:04:26,200 --> 01:04:29,560
Speaker 1: is like the four or five o'clock. Not he's just

1020
01:04:29,560 --> 01:04:31,720
Speaker 1: gonna get him. He's just a good he just like

1021
01:04:32,320 --> 01:04:35,720
Speaker 1: I don't know, he's good. Talks turkey experience. That's what

1022
01:04:35,760 --> 01:04:39,080
Speaker 1: it comes down to. Does he do anything different, Like

1023
01:04:40,080 --> 01:04:41,800
Speaker 1: you don't know, it's just the mood. I think it's

1024
01:04:41,800 --> 01:04:45,480
Speaker 1: like a lot of mood reading. Also, the dude lives

1025
01:04:45,520 --> 01:04:48,600
Speaker 1: on the property, right, Yeah, so he kind of knows

1026
01:04:48,680 --> 01:04:51,720
Speaker 1: like where people are, people meeting. Probably had some of

1027
01:04:51,720 --> 01:04:54,560
Speaker 1: the GPS trackers on that second and you didn't know it.

1028
01:04:54,640 --> 01:04:57,000
Speaker 1: So like we're just gonna keep but now, you know,

1029
01:04:57,080 --> 01:04:58,640
Speaker 1: kind of going back to what he said, like you know,

1030
01:04:58,640 --> 01:05:00,960
Speaker 1: even like scratching the leaves, like is there something that

1031
01:05:01,000 --> 01:05:03,800
Speaker 1: like a jake? You know, like do the different birds

1032
01:05:03,840 --> 01:05:05,960
Speaker 1: as they mature, do they start to hear different? Can

1033
01:05:05,960 --> 01:05:08,840
Speaker 1: they differentiate between like sounds? Like That's one of the

1034
01:05:08,880 --> 01:05:10,480
Speaker 1: things I've always I'm just kind of the nerd out

1035
01:05:10,480 --> 01:05:12,320
Speaker 1: there under the tree, like why can't I get this

1036
01:05:12,360 --> 01:05:13,880
Speaker 1: three year old bird to break away? But you have

1037
01:05:14,000 --> 01:05:16,360
Speaker 1: these jakes come running in. You know, of course they're

1038
01:05:16,400 --> 01:05:18,560
Speaker 1: they're hand up or whatnot. But you always wonder like

1039
01:05:18,680 --> 01:05:21,320
Speaker 1: is they mature, do they become smarter or do their

1040
01:05:21,320 --> 01:05:24,800
Speaker 1: ears become better? Or is it just truly uh, you know,

1041
01:05:25,520 --> 01:05:27,200
Speaker 1: I'm in any to breed all these hands, so I'm

1042
01:05:27,240 --> 01:05:29,919
Speaker 1: not worried about that hand that's over there in the brush. Um,

1043
01:05:29,960 --> 01:05:32,120
Speaker 1: you know, like, how do you break that code? Um,

1044
01:05:32,120 --> 01:05:33,960
Speaker 1: But that's why you know, I kind of mentioned timing

1045
01:05:34,040 --> 01:05:36,680
Speaker 1: because you know turkey hunting timing is here, like, go

1046
01:05:36,800 --> 01:05:39,000
Speaker 1: let all those hens go lay Now you have a board,

1047
01:05:39,040 --> 01:05:40,800
Speaker 1: asked Tom sitting out in the field or you know,

1048
01:05:41,040 --> 01:05:42,959
Speaker 1: I don't got anything to do. So now you strike

1049
01:05:43,040 --> 01:05:45,360
Speaker 1: them up at mid day, and that Tom more so

1050
01:05:45,480 --> 01:05:48,040
Speaker 1: than elk, more so than any other animal, just because

1051
01:05:48,080 --> 01:05:50,360
Speaker 1: the way that they have to lay on that on

1052
01:05:50,400 --> 01:05:52,520
Speaker 1: that clutch eggs. You know, it's like, Bam, you can

1053
01:05:52,520 --> 01:05:54,360
Speaker 1: get that Tom that you fought with all morning for

1054
01:05:54,400 --> 01:05:56,000
Speaker 1: the last week straight, but you go hit him at

1055
01:05:56,040 --> 01:05:58,600
Speaker 1: noon and that thing's gonna come in just like that. Yeah,

1056
01:05:58,600 --> 01:06:00,400
Speaker 1: I feel like it's we talked about this before, but

1057
01:06:00,440 --> 01:06:03,840
Speaker 1: it's like to not go out at daybreak feels dishonorable.

1058
01:06:03,920 --> 01:06:07,120
Speaker 1: I don't like it. Yeah, but then there's a lot

1059
01:06:07,200 --> 01:06:09,440
Speaker 1: said just like lay around, go out there at ten.

1060
01:06:10,720 --> 01:06:12,320
Speaker 1: But you feel like you're coming in in the middle

1061
01:06:12,320 --> 01:06:18,360
Speaker 1: of a conversation. I agree. Yeah, So tell people what's

1062
01:06:18,360 --> 01:06:22,320
Speaker 1: going on with Phelps game calls man, So, um, we

1063
01:06:22,360 --> 01:06:25,800
Speaker 1: announced what it was almost two weeks ago. Now that uh, yeah,

1064
01:06:25,840 --> 01:06:31,800
Speaker 1: you're my new boss. Can I call you? Boss. I

1065
01:06:31,840 --> 01:06:35,400
Speaker 1: would first say that we're colleagues, colleagues, co workers. We're

1066
01:06:35,400 --> 01:06:39,080
Speaker 1: co workers, so we we we're gonna be able to

1067
01:06:39,120 --> 01:06:40,760
Speaker 1: talk about turkey calls. Right, let's be the first time

1068
01:06:40,800 --> 01:06:43,560
Speaker 1: I can finally like talk about the turkey call. So

1069
01:06:43,920 --> 01:06:46,720
Speaker 1: August seventeenth, type me and dirt drove over last year

1070
01:06:47,000 --> 01:06:50,400
Speaker 1: or no, it's just me this time August talk about

1071
01:06:50,400 --> 01:06:52,480
Speaker 1: this turkey call line that we had tried to launch

1072
01:06:53,080 --> 01:06:54,959
Speaker 1: I think two years ago and never really got feet

1073
01:06:54,960 --> 01:06:58,320
Speaker 1: off the ground. And um, I was here and I

1074
01:06:58,320 --> 01:07:01,040
Speaker 1: think Garrett at that time went took out the breakfast. Hey,

1075
01:07:01,080 --> 01:07:03,240
Speaker 1: would you ever be interested in, you know, talking about

1076
01:07:03,240 --> 01:07:06,560
Speaker 1: selling folps game calls? And I remember that distinctly. No,

1077
01:07:06,880 --> 01:07:09,480
Speaker 1: I'm not interested. You did, Yeah, I never heard that. Yeah,

1078
01:07:09,480 --> 01:07:11,240
Speaker 1: So I tell Garrett, No, Dirk Durham, were you there

1079
01:07:11,240 --> 01:07:14,840
Speaker 1: for that conversation. We're sitting out there at the at

1080
01:07:14,920 --> 01:07:17,960
Speaker 1: the Western on the sidewalk eating breakfast, and I don't know.

1081
01:07:17,960 --> 01:07:20,400
Speaker 1: We approached you and you were like, uhh no, so

1082
01:07:20,600 --> 01:07:22,480
Speaker 1: wait wait wait we got wait like four more hours.

1083
01:07:22,760 --> 01:07:27,840
Speaker 1: So then you're not a man of convictions. No, no, well,

1084
01:07:27,880 --> 01:07:30,720
Speaker 1: I you know it's like it's maybe playing your cards right,

1085
01:07:30,720 --> 01:07:32,200
Speaker 1: like you don't want to just come out like heck, yeah,

1086
01:07:32,240 --> 01:07:34,160
Speaker 1: I'm looking to maybe move on or do something. I

1087
01:07:34,240 --> 01:07:36,040
Speaker 1: thought maybe you sent the guys out to like go

1088
01:07:36,200 --> 01:07:39,960
Speaker 1: feel out films testing waters a little bit. So I'm like, no,

1089
01:07:40,080 --> 01:07:42,200
Speaker 1: not really, I'm I'm kind of happy where we're at.

1090
01:07:42,200 --> 01:07:43,840
Speaker 1: I'd love to, you know, get this project going with

1091
01:07:43,840 --> 01:07:46,680
Speaker 1: you guys though, And then fast forward like four hours later,

1092
01:07:46,760 --> 01:07:48,800
Speaker 1: we go to lunch with Josh and Garrett and Josh

1093
01:07:48,800 --> 01:07:50,919
Speaker 1: brings the question up. I'm like, yeah, I mean i'd

1094
01:07:50,920 --> 01:07:52,720
Speaker 1: be willing to entertain it, like what it looks like,

1095
01:07:52,760 --> 01:07:55,560
Speaker 1: it's not just and then it got some legs from there,

1096
01:07:55,560 --> 01:08:00,000
Speaker 1: and um, I remember like on the mountain all September, uh,

1097
01:08:00,200 --> 01:08:03,080
Speaker 1: like I was with Yanni in Colorado and they're like yeah, Josh,

1098
01:08:03,080 --> 01:08:04,600
Speaker 1: like yeah, you onnly. I don't know if he knows yet,

1099
01:08:04,640 --> 01:08:06,000
Speaker 1: like you know, we don't need to talk about it,

1100
01:08:06,000 --> 01:08:07,560
Speaker 1: so like we're sitting here hunting, like I don't know

1101
01:08:07,560 --> 01:08:09,400
Speaker 1: if your honest knows at this time I'm supposed to

1102
01:08:09,440 --> 01:08:11,720
Speaker 1: say anything. And then by time we get like to

1103
01:08:11,800 --> 01:08:14,919
Speaker 1: New Mexico, Um, like I'm sending like trying to sign

1104
01:08:14,960 --> 01:08:16,840
Speaker 1: PDF so that we can open the books up, and

1105
01:08:16,880 --> 01:08:19,640
Speaker 1: so it was throughout the fall. I've spent pretty much

1106
01:08:19,640 --> 01:08:21,240
Speaker 1: the last four or five months in my life like

1107
01:08:21,280 --> 01:08:24,840
Speaker 1: getting this deal kind of straight with everybody, and uh yeah,

1108
01:08:25,040 --> 01:08:27,400
Speaker 1: and now we're here with kind of what launched this

1109
01:08:27,439 --> 01:08:31,040
Speaker 1: whole thing and releasing the Meat Eater X folks Um

1110
01:08:31,080 --> 01:08:34,360
Speaker 1: Turkey co line. Yeah, and you're gonna, um, you're staying

1111
01:08:34,360 --> 01:08:36,519
Speaker 1: on board. That was a stipulation. Oh yeah, yeah, no,

1112
01:08:36,880 --> 01:08:41,000
Speaker 1: And that's remember you're saying you'd signed a twenty year contract.

1113
01:08:40,520 --> 01:08:43,720
Speaker 1: I wanted to. I'm worried they said five years. And

1114
01:08:43,720 --> 01:08:45,559
Speaker 1: I think I'm gonna once they got everything from me there,

1115
01:08:45,560 --> 01:08:48,320
Speaker 1: gonna kick me to the curtain. I'm just but no,

1116
01:08:48,840 --> 01:08:51,160
Speaker 1: it's good. Um, you know. I I'm one of those guys.

1117
01:08:51,160 --> 01:08:53,040
Speaker 1: I described the situation like, you know, back with Howie

1118
01:08:53,040 --> 01:08:55,360
Speaker 1: Mandel around, like let's make a deal, Like I'm the guy.

1119
01:08:55,400 --> 01:08:57,679
Speaker 1: As soon as that got like six figures on the board,

1120
01:08:57,680 --> 01:08:59,360
Speaker 1: I was running, you know. And so it's like I

1121
01:08:59,400 --> 01:09:01,800
Speaker 1: put a lot of work in and with the kids

1122
01:09:01,880 --> 01:09:03,400
Speaker 1: kind of growing up and stuff, it's like, man, I

1123
01:09:03,439 --> 01:09:06,479
Speaker 1: would you know what the help that the meatter team

1124
01:09:06,560 --> 01:09:09,519
Speaker 1: can give me? And it's still like, you know, whether

1125
01:09:09,520 --> 01:09:11,759
Speaker 1: we want to dive deep into it, like the financial side,

1126
01:09:11,800 --> 01:09:14,920
Speaker 1: like every year, like no matter how successful were, it's like, man,

1127
01:09:14,960 --> 01:09:17,320
Speaker 1: here we are again, like getting ready for next year

1128
01:09:17,360 --> 01:09:19,880
Speaker 1: and like the bank accounts draw you know, to produce

1129
01:09:19,920 --> 01:09:22,360
Speaker 1: that next year. And it was a little bit of like, man,

1130
01:09:22,400 --> 01:09:24,200
Speaker 1: we're doing a great job. We have We're turning big

1131
01:09:24,240 --> 01:09:26,080
Speaker 1: numbers everyhere. But it's just like the financial stress and

1132
01:09:26,080 --> 01:09:28,760
Speaker 1: so like talking with you know, the team getting through there,

1133
01:09:28,760 --> 01:09:29,880
Speaker 1: I'm like, man, I think this is where I want

1134
01:09:29,880 --> 01:09:30,880
Speaker 1: to go. I want to have a little bit more

1135
01:09:30,880 --> 01:09:33,280
Speaker 1: of my life back. Um, all my kids know is

1136
01:09:33,320 --> 01:09:35,200
Speaker 1: this business is we me and me, my wife have

1137
01:09:35,600 --> 01:09:38,240
Speaker 1: you know, with what friends and family have built this thing.

1138
01:09:38,320 --> 01:09:41,000
Speaker 1: And it's just basically I want to you enjoy this

1139
01:09:41,000 --> 01:09:42,519
Speaker 1: this little bit and and still do a lot of

1140
01:09:42,520 --> 01:09:45,520
Speaker 1: the cool stuff. And um, you know, I had two diabetics.

1141
01:09:45,560 --> 01:09:47,400
Speaker 1: My wife and my son are both Type one like

1142
01:09:47,560 --> 01:09:49,920
Speaker 1: juvenile on set, and so like I couldn't leave my

1143
01:09:49,920 --> 01:09:52,439
Speaker 1: state job. Like there were all these things and and

1144
01:09:52,520 --> 01:09:54,720
Speaker 1: like it couldn't have been more perfect. Like when we

1145
01:09:54,720 --> 01:09:57,320
Speaker 1: started talking to the meat Eater team, like man, you know,

1146
01:09:57,479 --> 01:09:59,320
Speaker 1: the benefits are good, this is good, this is good,

1147
01:09:59,560 --> 01:10:01,880
Speaker 1: and it's just gonna work out. As we've mentioned in

1148
01:10:02,200 --> 01:10:03,479
Speaker 1: some of the other things, like it's the right team,

1149
01:10:03,560 --> 01:10:06,000
Speaker 1: I think to grow this thing and do some cool stuff.

1150
01:10:06,040 --> 01:10:09,559
Speaker 1: So when I would tell people about what we're leading

1151
01:10:09,640 --> 01:10:12,320
Speaker 1: up to, and I would talk about how, you know,

1152
01:10:12,720 --> 01:10:16,799
Speaker 1: how you guys are such renowned callers and in somebody's

1153
01:10:16,880 --> 01:10:19,000
Speaker 1: kind of revolutionized the elk calling in a way and

1154
01:10:19,040 --> 01:10:23,280
Speaker 1: also grew up hunting like the hard elk yea like

1155
01:10:23,360 --> 01:10:26,080
Speaker 1: hunting the shittiest elk in the world. Yeah, you know,

1156
01:10:26,439 --> 01:10:28,240
Speaker 1: and like learned how to do that. But I'm really

1157
01:10:28,280 --> 01:10:31,000
Speaker 1: known to be the Yeah, it's really really tough elk.

1158
01:10:31,439 --> 01:10:33,519
Speaker 1: And I don't like the like the well go ahead.

1159
01:10:33,520 --> 01:10:34,920
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't want to throw any of the

1160
01:10:35,200 --> 01:10:37,040
Speaker 1: big hunters under the bus, you know. But you see,

1161
01:10:37,080 --> 01:10:39,280
Speaker 1: the back when we were growing up, the you know,

1162
01:10:39,320 --> 01:10:42,160
Speaker 1: the sportsman's channel, the the outdoor channel hunters, the big

1163
01:10:42,160 --> 01:10:44,600
Speaker 1: elk hunters we all looked up to. You can I

1164
01:10:44,640 --> 01:10:48,519
Speaker 1: mention names like you like the wild Primost. Yeah, they

1165
01:10:48,520 --> 01:10:50,479
Speaker 1: would go and film it at these famous ranches. Now

1166
01:10:50,479 --> 01:10:52,439
Speaker 1: there's anything wrong with going to the famous ranches, but yeah,

1167
01:10:52,479 --> 01:10:54,080
Speaker 1: so they you know, they were the elk hunters, like

1168
01:10:54,120 --> 01:10:55,960
Speaker 1: I looked up to Will like I watched as soon

1169
01:10:56,000 --> 01:10:57,519
Speaker 1: as the truth came out, Like I was driving to

1170
01:10:57,600 --> 01:10:59,800
Speaker 1: my local Sunbirds, I was buying the DVD, so I

1171
01:10:59,840 --> 01:11:01,720
Speaker 1: go popping in and watch it. And then as I

1172
01:11:01,760 --> 01:11:03,960
Speaker 1: grew up like spots where we were successful. You know,

1173
01:11:04,400 --> 01:11:06,000
Speaker 1: Dirk isn't in the same stuff. I mean, but he

1174
01:11:06,280 --> 01:11:08,000
Speaker 1: probably some of the other hardest elk in the world

1175
01:11:08,000 --> 01:11:10,400
Speaker 1: to hunt, aside from the coastal jungle. But you would

1176
01:11:10,400 --> 01:11:13,640
Speaker 1: watch these, you know, proclaimed olk hunters come and just

1177
01:11:13,680 --> 01:11:16,120
Speaker 1: get their butts kicked on the coast. You know, everything

1178
01:11:16,120 --> 01:11:18,320
Speaker 1: there wants to bite you, eat you. It's wet, it's

1179
01:11:18,800 --> 01:11:22,120
Speaker 1: and you know, people have just struggled on the coast

1180
01:11:22,160 --> 01:11:24,360
Speaker 1: to kill these you know, tiny st rows of belts

1181
01:11:24,400 --> 01:11:26,200
Speaker 1: in the world. You know, their bodies are huge, but

1182
01:11:26,240 --> 01:11:28,200
Speaker 1: we've got these little you know, I've killed meal deer

1183
01:11:28,240 --> 01:11:30,240
Speaker 1: that are bigger than most of my bulls I killed

1184
01:11:30,280 --> 01:11:32,519
Speaker 1: my backyard. But they are hard, hard elk to hunt,

1185
01:11:32,560 --> 01:11:35,200
Speaker 1: and so in the I mean, the densities are so

1186
01:11:35,280 --> 01:11:39,679
Speaker 1: much look like everything about it you can't see there.

1187
01:11:39,960 --> 01:11:41,640
Speaker 1: It's not like, oh, here comes the three hundred of

1188
01:11:41,640 --> 01:11:43,240
Speaker 1: them out into the alfalfa field. You know, it's just

1189
01:11:43,320 --> 01:11:45,519
Speaker 1: like a different kind of Yeah. And I grew up,

1190
01:11:45,640 --> 01:11:47,800
Speaker 1: you know, hunting industrial Timberland, So it wasn't any of

1191
01:11:47,880 --> 01:11:50,400
Speaker 1: the you know hunting down on the hayfield or down

1192
01:11:50,439 --> 01:11:52,360
Speaker 1: the off off of field. That was you know, beaten brush,

1193
01:11:52,760 --> 01:11:54,640
Speaker 1: you know, down on the bottom of big canyons, you know,

1194
01:11:54,840 --> 01:11:58,519
Speaker 1: Devil's club, anything that would bite you, poke you stab you, um,

1195
01:11:58,640 --> 01:12:01,080
Speaker 1: you know, ferns up to your chein. It was just that.

1196
01:12:01,240 --> 01:12:03,720
Speaker 1: That's how we grew up elk hunting. And you know,

1197
01:12:03,800 --> 01:12:07,439
Speaker 1: it's like I loved it, but it was definitely tough,

1198
01:12:07,640 --> 01:12:10,439
Speaker 1: especially you know, getting to start hunting milk all over

1199
01:12:10,479 --> 01:12:12,160
Speaker 1: the West. Now, I'm like, man, that was that was

1200
01:12:12,280 --> 01:12:13,720
Speaker 1: tough compared to some of the other stufe. You might

1201
01:12:13,720 --> 01:12:16,000
Speaker 1: as well just leave your binoculars in your truck. Um,

1202
01:12:16,240 --> 01:12:19,160
Speaker 1: it's just that kind of hunt. And he's Washington every year.

1203
01:12:19,280 --> 01:12:21,160
Speaker 1: I haven't. I've got a lot of pressure to come

1204
01:12:21,200 --> 01:12:23,560
Speaker 1: back though, Like it's, oh, yeah, you gotta go to

1205
01:12:23,600 --> 01:12:25,680
Speaker 1: all these other states and draw these tags and do this,

1206
01:12:25,840 --> 01:12:27,400
Speaker 1: and and there's a lot of pressure on me, I think,

1207
01:12:27,439 --> 01:12:29,320
Speaker 1: to eventually come back. And that was the last time

1208
01:12:29,320 --> 01:12:32,400
Speaker 1: you hunt in Washington. Two. You don't have this little

1209
01:12:32,880 --> 01:12:34,960
Speaker 1: you don't have little local honey hooles. So I I

1210
01:12:35,120 --> 01:12:37,000
Speaker 1: take that back, like for myself the last time two

1211
01:12:37,000 --> 01:12:39,840
Speaker 1: thirteen when when some hunting partners or stuff will get

1212
01:12:39,840 --> 01:12:41,479
Speaker 1: like a muzzler tag and I've got time, will go

1213
01:12:41,560 --> 01:12:44,479
Speaker 1: out and so, um, you know, my wife drew a

1214
01:12:44,520 --> 01:12:47,240
Speaker 1: good tag and seventeen so I hunted there. But you know,

1215
01:12:47,320 --> 01:12:50,519
Speaker 1: it's only had so much time up until now with vacation,

1216
01:12:50,600 --> 01:12:53,639
Speaker 1: you know, and trying to squeeze the hunts in. So um, yeah,

1217
01:12:53,680 --> 01:12:56,240
Speaker 1: I'll eventually come back and hunt, you know home. I

1218
01:12:56,280 --> 01:12:58,599
Speaker 1: have a hunted with my dad um and my uncle's

1219
01:12:59,080 --> 01:13:01,080
Speaker 1: um for a long time. Um, you know, aside from

1220
01:13:01,080 --> 01:13:02,960
Speaker 1: like a weekend trip maybe to just go out with them.

1221
01:13:03,000 --> 01:13:04,560
Speaker 1: So I want to get back and you do that

1222
01:13:04,680 --> 01:13:06,840
Speaker 1: once before they get too old. When I talk to

1223
01:13:06,960 --> 01:13:08,720
Speaker 1: people about it too, I would say, like, man, he

1224
01:13:08,800 --> 01:13:11,240
Speaker 1: built the business in his backyard, you know, And I

1225
01:13:11,360 --> 01:13:14,840
Speaker 1: mean and by that, I mean he built a business

1226
01:13:14,840 --> 01:13:19,680
Speaker 1: in his backyard. No, it was I shouldn't even tell

1227
01:13:19,680 --> 01:13:21,760
Speaker 1: on myself because it's a little embarrassing, but it was

1228
01:13:21,880 --> 01:13:23,640
Speaker 1: just that it was the way we had to do it.

1229
01:13:23,760 --> 01:13:27,160
Speaker 1: Like we'd go to package calls and you know, my

1230
01:13:27,320 --> 01:13:29,600
Speaker 1: mom or my wife. They were doing the majority of

1231
01:13:29,640 --> 01:13:32,320
Speaker 1: the packaging. Um, and like they would go into my

1232
01:13:32,400 --> 01:13:35,040
Speaker 1: closet like I had I had, uh, you know, like

1233
01:13:35,160 --> 01:13:38,360
Speaker 1: my racks of finished calls were like sitting in my closet,

1234
01:13:38,439 --> 01:13:40,960
Speaker 1: like here's the here's the clothes that I wear to work,

1235
01:13:41,120 --> 01:13:42,960
Speaker 1: and then here's like the calls that we need to

1236
01:13:42,960 --> 01:13:44,760
Speaker 1: send out. Like as it grew, and that was just

1237
01:13:44,880 --> 01:13:47,040
Speaker 1: kind of what we had to do. We we started

1238
01:13:47,080 --> 01:13:49,160
Speaker 1: it all in the thirty six. By thirty it was

1239
01:13:49,200 --> 01:13:51,760
Speaker 1: literally my garage. We kicked all the vehicles out, kicked

1240
01:13:51,800 --> 01:13:53,760
Speaker 1: everything out, all the four wheelers, everything, and like no,

1241
01:13:53,920 --> 01:13:55,400
Speaker 1: this is and we're gonna do this. We're gonna do

1242
01:13:55,479 --> 01:13:58,479
Speaker 1: it this way, and we made it work. Some appointed

1243
01:13:58,520 --> 01:14:01,479
Speaker 1: out didn't he realized this, but it Someone pointed out

1244
01:14:01,560 --> 01:14:06,400
Speaker 1: to me too, Um that the customer service number was

1245
01:14:06,439 --> 01:14:11,400
Speaker 1: your cell phone is still we're in the process of

1246
01:14:11,439 --> 01:14:14,000
Speaker 1: getting that transferred over. But if if you call the

1247
01:14:14,120 --> 01:14:16,240
Speaker 1: number on the back of the packaging, and that's why

1248
01:14:16,240 --> 01:14:18,320
Speaker 1: I would always pretend like we're bigger than we were,

1249
01:14:18,479 --> 01:14:22,720
Speaker 1: right because you use an accent when you answer, Let

1250
01:14:22,760 --> 01:14:24,639
Speaker 1: me transfer that to Jason. If you need to talk

1251
01:14:24,680 --> 01:14:27,400
Speaker 1: to him. You know, like people are always surprised, like, oh,

1252
01:14:27,479 --> 01:14:29,760
Speaker 1: I didn't expect to get you on the line. I'm like, yeah,

1253
01:14:30,120 --> 01:14:33,360
Speaker 1: the customer service must afforded, like have the calls forwarded

1254
01:14:33,400 --> 01:14:35,000
Speaker 1: to me right now or something, because he didn't want

1255
01:14:35,000 --> 01:14:37,640
Speaker 1: to look that podunk that your cell phone number, but

1256
01:14:37,760 --> 01:14:39,920
Speaker 1: now my cell phone number. We're working on getting that

1257
01:14:40,040 --> 01:14:42,120
Speaker 1: change because it lives on all of our packaging. So

1258
01:14:42,160 --> 01:14:45,160
Speaker 1: it was easier just to get me a new phone number. Hious.

1259
01:14:45,439 --> 01:14:47,800
Speaker 1: He's not lying a body of mine, and I totally

1260
01:14:47,880 --> 01:14:50,960
Speaker 1: go get some fellows game calls. He had I don't

1261
01:14:50,960 --> 01:14:53,840
Speaker 1: know what what it was, but he had something. I said,

1262
01:14:54,160 --> 01:14:55,599
Speaker 1: he had a problem. I said, you should just call

1263
01:14:55,640 --> 01:14:57,720
Speaker 1: it the customer service. I'm sure they'll take care of you.

1264
01:14:58,240 --> 01:14:59,840
Speaker 1: And then he got back to me He's like, you know,

1265
01:15:00,400 --> 01:15:05,160
Speaker 1: I think I talked to Jason himself. I'm gonna I'm

1266
01:15:05,160 --> 01:15:07,680
Speaker 1: gonna just auto for it everything to Dirk, like quite

1267
01:15:07,680 --> 01:15:10,000
Speaker 1: a few of those two. So yeah, they're they're handled

1268
01:15:10,040 --> 01:15:12,639
Speaker 1: to start to handle most of the email customer service stuff.

1269
01:15:12,640 --> 01:15:15,040
Speaker 1: Though my numbers on there for some of that stuff,

1270
01:15:15,479 --> 01:15:19,000
Speaker 1: for like for dealers, but some people I think they

1271
01:15:19,040 --> 01:15:21,880
Speaker 1: just call numbers until they get somebody and they're like,

1272
01:15:22,360 --> 01:15:27,600
Speaker 1: who hey man saw on the internet. Yeah, but you

1273
01:15:27,680 --> 01:15:29,840
Speaker 1: know it was just cool. It's cool to be part

1274
01:15:29,920 --> 01:15:33,120
Speaker 1: of the family. Um, we were able to bring everybody along. Um,

1275
01:15:33,400 --> 01:15:35,680
Speaker 1: and a lot of people, I think, and maybe I

1276
01:15:35,720 --> 01:15:37,840
Speaker 1: can clear up from our side. Maybe you guys don't care,

1277
01:15:37,920 --> 01:15:40,479
Speaker 1: but like a lot of our followers may be different

1278
01:15:40,520 --> 01:15:43,160
Speaker 1: than than the meat followers. And I think the most

1279
01:15:43,240 --> 01:15:45,120
Speaker 1: asked question is, oh, you guys are gonna change. We're

1280
01:15:45,160 --> 01:15:48,040
Speaker 1: gonna become, you know, meat eater ish. And I've I've

1281
01:15:48,080 --> 01:15:50,240
Speaker 1: told everybody like it's been more important to you guys,

1282
01:15:50,280 --> 01:15:51,439
Speaker 1: and it has to me because I want to be

1283
01:15:51,560 --> 01:15:52,960
Speaker 1: able to like do some of the cool stuff you

1284
01:15:53,040 --> 01:15:55,200
Speaker 1: do or like why do you guys this post is cool?

1285
01:15:55,200 --> 01:15:57,360
Speaker 1: And like it's been more important to the people I've

1286
01:15:57,400 --> 01:15:59,680
Speaker 1: dealt with that we stay phelps game calls, we we

1287
01:16:00,040 --> 01:16:02,560
Speaker 1: is are a quick wit. We use our um you know,

1288
01:16:02,680 --> 01:16:04,479
Speaker 1: like you guys marketing, don't. They don't think we have

1289
01:16:04,600 --> 01:16:06,640
Speaker 1: quick No, No, I think you do, but like they

1290
01:16:06,680 --> 01:16:09,200
Speaker 1: want to. Yeah, I want to know what becoming meat

1291
01:16:09,200 --> 01:16:11,439
Speaker 1: eater ish means. I don't know what that. I don't

1292
01:16:11,479 --> 01:16:14,160
Speaker 1: know what they expect from that, but like it's been

1293
01:16:14,280 --> 01:16:17,160
Speaker 1: told to us multiple times, like we want you guys

1294
01:16:17,240 --> 01:16:19,360
Speaker 1: to make a post and maybe have a misspelled word

1295
01:16:19,520 --> 01:16:25,040
Speaker 1: or you know, like you want you to the polished me.

1296
01:16:25,240 --> 01:16:29,000
Speaker 1: You guys know how to spell and from them too good.

1297
01:16:29,960 --> 01:16:32,200
Speaker 1: There's probably some software you can do the just mixture

1298
01:16:32,280 --> 01:16:35,280
Speaker 1: that all the words get to spell man. Know. So

1299
01:16:35,400 --> 01:16:38,599
Speaker 1: it's you're gonna start throwing around salient. I don't. Actually,

1300
01:16:39,360 --> 01:16:41,280
Speaker 1: so you guys in all your big words like super

1301
01:16:41,360 --> 01:16:45,600
Speaker 1: intimidating for for a guy from Po. Uh so, no, no,

1302
01:16:46,560 --> 01:16:48,720
Speaker 1: uh so you always been into elk, but how long

1303
01:16:48,760 --> 01:16:51,360
Speaker 1: have you been into turkey hunt? I end up talking

1304
01:16:51,360 --> 01:16:54,400
Speaker 1: to somebody this morning. I probably my passion was probably

1305
01:16:54,479 --> 01:16:56,719
Speaker 1: higher for turkeys early on than it was for elk.

1306
01:16:57,439 --> 01:16:59,479
Speaker 1: It was more, it was more attainable. Um you know,

1307
01:16:59,520 --> 01:17:02,120
Speaker 1: I would grew up a rifle elk hunter. Um so

1308
01:17:02,320 --> 01:17:04,640
Speaker 1: as a kid, like calling to turkeys was the thing.

1309
01:17:04,720 --> 01:17:06,960
Speaker 1: And so I remember in junior high like I was

1310
01:17:07,040 --> 01:17:08,360
Speaker 1: a nerd that would sit and print off like a

1311
01:17:08,439 --> 01:17:10,760
Speaker 1: hundred page report on like calling turkeys, and like read

1312
01:17:10,800 --> 01:17:12,439
Speaker 1: through it and then try to mimic you know, what

1313
01:17:12,560 --> 01:17:14,759
Speaker 1: was out there. And so you know, my first passion

1314
01:17:14,840 --> 01:17:17,720
Speaker 1: may have been turkeys before I got crazy into elk calling. Um,

1315
01:17:18,240 --> 01:17:20,360
Speaker 1: you know, my my turkey call collection, Like I still

1316
01:17:20,439 --> 01:17:22,880
Speaker 1: have a big Ammo case full of just all the

1317
01:17:22,920 --> 01:17:24,920
Speaker 1: turkey calls. I would buy way more than I needed

1318
01:17:25,000 --> 01:17:28,160
Speaker 1: and and um around home. It was tough though, because

1319
01:17:28,240 --> 01:17:30,760
Speaker 1: we have probably the hardest turkey in the world to hunt.

1320
01:17:30,800 --> 01:17:32,759
Speaker 1: And I'm I'm saying that without doing a bunch of research.

1321
01:17:32,880 --> 01:17:35,120
Speaker 1: But in the Washington State, they have three species. We

1322
01:17:35,200 --> 01:17:38,320
Speaker 1: have the Easterns, the Rio, and the Merriam. They decided

1323
01:17:38,360 --> 01:17:39,680
Speaker 1: to put the Easterns on the west side of the

1324
01:17:39,680 --> 01:17:41,760
Speaker 1: state where I live, where it's wet and very very

1325
01:17:41,840 --> 01:17:45,040
Speaker 1: poor light reproduction rate. UM, so a lot of what's

1326
01:17:45,080 --> 01:17:47,880
Speaker 1: left there. But I mean, we would spend our entire

1327
01:17:48,560 --> 01:17:50,479
Speaker 1: March April just trying to find one or two birds

1328
01:17:50,560 --> 01:17:53,200
Speaker 1: to hunt. Um. And so just finding him was a

1329
01:17:53,240 --> 01:17:55,280
Speaker 1: tough part. Calling him in and killing was actually way

1330
01:17:55,360 --> 01:17:58,120
Speaker 1: easier than finding him because the hand numbers were so low.

1331
01:17:59,280 --> 01:18:00,760
Speaker 1: You just start crying kind on a yelp, and that

1332
01:18:00,840 --> 01:18:03,720
Speaker 1: bird was at your feet. Um. And so we kind of,

1333
01:18:03,960 --> 01:18:05,840
Speaker 1: you know, cut our teeth on some of those those

1334
01:18:05,880 --> 01:18:08,240
Speaker 1: birds that were extremely tough to hunt. And then as

1335
01:18:08,280 --> 01:18:10,000
Speaker 1: I got older, got a car I got to drive

1336
01:18:10,080 --> 01:18:12,680
Speaker 1: over to eastern Washington. The places is pretty damn good,

1337
01:18:12,720 --> 01:18:14,599
Speaker 1: and like, all right, this is what real turkey hunt

1338
01:18:14,640 --> 01:18:16,439
Speaker 1: supposed to be. You know, you could get on a bird,

1339
01:18:16,520 --> 01:18:18,240
Speaker 1: switch birds, you know, four or five times in the

1340
01:18:18,320 --> 01:18:21,679
Speaker 1: morning and get a ton of experience real quick. It's

1341
01:18:22,320 --> 01:18:25,519
Speaker 1: it's interesting how turkeys went for so many people in

1342
01:18:25,600 --> 01:18:29,599
Speaker 1: the country, particularly in the West and in the far north,

1343
01:18:29,800 --> 01:18:34,280
Speaker 1: where he didn't have like our dads weren't didn't hunt turkeys,

1344
01:18:34,520 --> 01:18:39,000
Speaker 1: you know. So in Michigan, I remember early on, I

1345
01:18:39,000 --> 01:18:41,080
Speaker 1: remember when I still lived there, that there'd be draw

1346
01:18:41,200 --> 01:18:44,639
Speaker 1: tags right now. You hunt the whole, you know, pretty

1347
01:18:44,720 --> 01:18:46,479
Speaker 1: much matter where you living, get a turkey tag and hunt.

1348
01:18:47,000 --> 01:18:48,880
Speaker 1: But being like a big deal, like someone got a

1349
01:18:48,880 --> 01:18:52,000
Speaker 1: turkey tag, they're driving up north to turkey. And I

1350
01:18:52,120 --> 01:18:56,040
Speaker 1: left around that time, so I never hunted turkeys as

1351
01:18:56,040 --> 01:18:59,479
Speaker 1: a kid. And then even when I moved to Western Montana,

1352
01:18:59,520 --> 01:19:03,240
Speaker 1: I remember when the unit's out there, I put in

1353
01:19:03,400 --> 01:19:04,880
Speaker 1: one year and drew a tag when it was like

1354
01:19:04,920 --> 01:19:09,360
Speaker 1: they were giving out like twenty tags up in the region,

1355
01:19:09,439 --> 01:19:12,640
Speaker 1: one or two or something portions of it, right and

1356
01:19:12,840 --> 01:19:14,840
Speaker 1: and no one knew about it, and drawn the thing

1357
01:19:16,520 --> 01:19:20,840
Speaker 1: and no like no being raised in the north and

1358
01:19:20,920 --> 01:19:25,640
Speaker 1: living out west, sort of like no institutional knowledge about it, right,

1359
01:19:25,720 --> 01:19:27,840
Speaker 1: it wasn't raised by a turkey hunter, and and so

1360
01:19:27,960 --> 01:19:30,920
Speaker 1: many guys in the Southeast and areas of the South,

1361
01:19:31,840 --> 01:19:34,000
Speaker 1: it just has always been a thing. They never missed

1362
01:19:34,040 --> 01:19:36,840
Speaker 1: the seasons. But in these places where turkeys had to

1363
01:19:36,880 --> 01:19:40,040
Speaker 1: be reintroduced or flat out introduced, it was as much.

1364
01:19:40,560 --> 01:19:44,840
Speaker 1: So I feel like I've kind of almost discovered it

1365
01:19:46,479 --> 01:19:49,000
Speaker 1: and study it in a way where even though I've

1366
01:19:49,000 --> 01:19:51,600
Speaker 1: been doing it for a long time now, it's like

1367
01:19:51,840 --> 01:19:54,880
Speaker 1: still feels kind of new. There's still an excitement about it. Um.

1368
01:19:55,160 --> 01:19:57,599
Speaker 1: I think I didn't kill my first turkey. I mean,

1369
01:19:57,600 --> 01:20:02,200
Speaker 1: I'm forty seven now, so I've been hunting turkeys every

1370
01:20:02,320 --> 01:20:06,559
Speaker 1: year very avidly for twenty years, which sounds like, oh,

1371
01:20:06,640 --> 01:20:09,600
Speaker 1: that's long career of turkey hunting, But to me, it

1372
01:20:09,640 --> 01:20:12,320
Speaker 1: still feels new because I just like grow up with it,

1373
01:20:12,439 --> 01:20:14,960
Speaker 1: you know. Yeah, I've I've been so busy on the

1374
01:20:15,000 --> 01:20:17,080
Speaker 1: big game side, Like I haven't turkey hunted for like

1375
01:20:17,160 --> 01:20:19,559
Speaker 1: the last six years, um, you know, And so I'm

1376
01:20:19,560 --> 01:20:21,479
Speaker 1: excited to get a chance to get back out there

1377
01:20:21,520 --> 01:20:24,240
Speaker 1: and spend a couple of weeks chasing birds again. But yeah,

1378
01:20:24,280 --> 01:20:27,360
Speaker 1: it's it's the same way, like more even more so

1379
01:20:27,560 --> 01:20:29,479
Speaker 1: than elk, like nobody being an arch real hunter and

1380
01:20:29,560 --> 01:20:31,759
Speaker 1: knowing how to call to them, Like Turkey was completely foreign.

1381
01:20:31,840 --> 01:20:34,880
Speaker 1: We had nobody local that hunted him. Nobody knew how

1382
01:20:34,920 --> 01:20:36,720
Speaker 1: to give us any tips. And so it's like you

1383
01:20:36,760 --> 01:20:38,360
Speaker 1: just went to the internet, like hey, how do you

1384
01:20:38,520 --> 01:20:40,760
Speaker 1: what do you do? How do you make sounds? Once again,

1385
01:20:40,920 --> 01:20:42,680
Speaker 1: Will Primos in the Truth was like, all right, I

1386
01:20:42,720 --> 01:20:44,720
Speaker 1: can learn something from these guys and and try to

1387
01:20:44,800 --> 01:20:46,479
Speaker 1: employ some of this and and came up with their

1388
01:20:46,479 --> 01:20:48,599
Speaker 1: own strategies. But heck, I don't even know. I mean,

1389
01:20:48,640 --> 01:20:50,360
Speaker 1: we've killed a lot of birds and we're really successful,

1390
01:20:50,360 --> 01:20:51,760
Speaker 1: but I don't even know if I'm if we're doing

1391
01:20:51,800 --> 01:20:54,800
Speaker 1: it right or whatever right is. Um, you know, we're

1392
01:20:54,800 --> 01:20:56,800
Speaker 1: just super aggressive like elk hunters. We get close, we

1393
01:20:57,000 --> 01:20:59,519
Speaker 1: scare bird, we get closer, we try it, and who

1394
01:20:59,560 --> 01:21:12,479
Speaker 1: knows if it's right. I'm gonna get yelled at for this.

1395
01:21:12,560 --> 01:21:14,760
Speaker 1: There's probably gonna slap me, But like to me, it's

1396
01:21:14,920 --> 01:21:18,120
Speaker 1: it's like elk hunting in in the spring, Like we

1397
01:21:18,240 --> 01:21:20,920
Speaker 1: use the same exact strategies. We locate them, we go

1398
01:21:21,080 --> 01:21:24,679
Speaker 1: get close. Aside from not having to you know, fluff

1399
01:21:24,720 --> 01:21:27,200
Speaker 1: the wind checker, um, it's pretty much the same game,

1400
01:21:27,840 --> 01:21:29,599
Speaker 1: um for a lot of parts. And so I love

1401
01:21:29,680 --> 01:21:31,720
Speaker 1: that that being able to talk kind of control the

1402
01:21:31,800 --> 01:21:34,719
Speaker 1: bird and then be able to be aggressive remy warrants

1403
01:21:34,760 --> 01:21:37,880
Speaker 1: blood pressure is rising, right, he doesn't like that, but

1404
01:21:38,400 --> 01:21:41,200
Speaker 1: but I get it, yeah, because it's a it's an

1405
01:21:41,240 --> 01:21:47,280
Speaker 1: audio experience, um not grow. When we first started hunting

1406
01:21:47,320 --> 01:21:52,680
Speaker 1: turkeys and the I guess the mid nineties, uh, we did,

1407
01:21:52,720 --> 01:21:54,360
Speaker 1: like I guess anybody would you know, we go out

1408
01:21:54,360 --> 01:21:56,880
Speaker 1: and get a box call. I remember going out. We

1409
01:21:56,960 --> 01:22:01,880
Speaker 1: were so naive about it back then, getting a box calling,

1410
01:22:01,960 --> 01:22:05,920
Speaker 1: going out and not having chalk and pull over. I'm

1411
01:22:05,920 --> 01:22:09,120
Speaker 1: not kidding you, man, sitting there with my brother pulverizing

1412
01:22:09,320 --> 01:22:16,960
Speaker 1: sandstone with rocks into a dust that we could then

1413
01:22:17,080 --> 01:22:18,880
Speaker 1: rub on there to try to get some more notes

1414
01:22:18,920 --> 01:22:24,080
Speaker 1: out of it. I'm not joking, man, and then typically

1415
01:22:24,520 --> 01:22:28,240
Speaker 1: just losing patients and then doing belly crawls. Oh yeah.

1416
01:22:28,720 --> 01:22:31,040
Speaker 1: And it was fun over time because at first, like

1417
01:22:31,120 --> 01:22:33,160
Speaker 1: we would go out and we would glass them up

1418
01:22:35,160 --> 01:22:37,639
Speaker 1: and just kind of hang like almost like if you're

1419
01:22:37,760 --> 01:22:39,280
Speaker 1: you know again, like to go to the elk. Thing

1420
01:22:39,320 --> 01:22:40,960
Speaker 1: would be like the strategy of like kind of finding

1421
01:22:41,080 --> 01:22:42,640
Speaker 1: or heard seeing what they're doing, and trying to just

1422
01:22:42,720 --> 01:22:44,880
Speaker 1: like make something happen by nudging out in front of them.

1423
01:22:45,439 --> 01:22:47,280
Speaker 1: We would go out and and just try to like

1424
01:22:47,439 --> 01:22:52,800
Speaker 1: do stuff, ditch crawl and bush them, bush whack them,

1425
01:22:53,479 --> 01:22:55,720
Speaker 1: and then gradually being like, holy sh it, you can

1426
01:22:55,800 --> 01:22:59,640
Speaker 1: call these things in and how much and just how

1427
01:22:59,720 --> 01:23:02,720
Speaker 1: much fun it became and to be where now, Um,

1428
01:23:03,920 --> 01:23:07,479
Speaker 1: I just don't I don't bush whack them, Like I

1429
01:23:07,520 --> 01:23:10,360
Speaker 1: don't bush whack them? Is there anything not that I won't?

1430
01:23:11,320 --> 01:23:14,639
Speaker 1: But it's not Maybe I kind of won't. You killed

1431
01:23:14,680 --> 01:23:16,439
Speaker 1: a cripple one year? Do you hear that jumped up?

1432
01:23:17,000 --> 01:23:19,320
Speaker 1: But that was crippled. See, even as a call maker,

1433
01:23:19,439 --> 01:23:21,000
Speaker 1: like as much as I want to show the calls off,

1434
01:23:21,080 --> 01:23:23,240
Speaker 1: there's something that I absolutely love about being able to

1435
01:23:23,280 --> 01:23:26,280
Speaker 1: sneak in on a on a flock of turkeys. Um,

1436
01:23:26,439 --> 01:23:28,680
Speaker 1: you know, And I'm gonna put this claim out there.

1437
01:23:28,720 --> 01:23:30,400
Speaker 1: It's not necessarily the safest way, because who knows if

1438
01:23:30,439 --> 01:23:32,160
Speaker 1: somebody's calling do them. But if you know you're in

1439
01:23:32,200 --> 01:23:34,160
Speaker 1: a patch of timber or a wooded area, you know,

1440
01:23:34,280 --> 01:23:35,720
Speaker 1: or an area that there's not a bunch of other

1441
01:23:35,760 --> 01:23:38,639
Speaker 1: turkey hunters. Um, I love to like do that call

1442
01:23:38,720 --> 01:23:41,320
Speaker 1: and you know, sneak calling sneak and calling sneak and

1443
01:23:41,360 --> 01:23:43,439
Speaker 1: then you know, eventually you know, kind of fool their

1444
01:23:43,479 --> 01:23:46,200
Speaker 1: eyes and ears as well aside from calling. So I

1445
01:23:46,240 --> 01:23:48,320
Speaker 1: still as much I do, like you said, love to

1446
01:23:48,360 --> 01:23:50,880
Speaker 1: call him in I there's still something about like tracking

1447
01:23:50,920 --> 01:23:54,879
Speaker 1: a turkey down and like beating his maybe his best defense, sneaky,

1448
01:23:55,160 --> 01:23:58,479
Speaker 1: sneaky hunter if you can sneak up to within shotgun

1449
01:23:58,640 --> 01:24:01,960
Speaker 1: range of a turkey. I'm bill for being sneaky at

1450
01:24:02,000 --> 01:24:08,240
Speaker 1: the right size and stature. No, it's it's fun. I

1451
01:24:08,320 --> 01:24:10,800
Speaker 1: love calling them, but um, you know it's like there's

1452
01:24:10,800 --> 01:24:12,920
Speaker 1: there's part of me it still sometimes like especially once

1453
01:24:12,960 --> 01:24:15,040
Speaker 1: they get me a couple of times, I'm frustrated. I'm

1454
01:24:15,040 --> 01:24:18,040
Speaker 1: just gonna go track you down and kill you. What.

1455
01:24:18,800 --> 01:24:20,680
Speaker 1: When we were working on so we set to a

1456
01:24:20,720 --> 01:24:23,920
Speaker 1: project a while ago of doing um because we're all

1457
01:24:24,040 --> 01:24:30,000
Speaker 1: huge like here us folks that spell real good, are slow,

1458
01:24:30,560 --> 01:24:37,800
Speaker 1: slow witted, are oh boy, very interested in turkey hunting,

1459
01:24:38,160 --> 01:24:39,800
Speaker 1: And so we hit out an idea to try to

1460
01:24:39,880 --> 01:24:41,960
Speaker 1: start trying to like work up that we would have

1461
01:24:42,760 --> 01:24:46,040
Speaker 1: like a line of turkey calls that and I think

1462
01:24:46,040 --> 01:24:49,320
Speaker 1: we talked about would be that, Um, I like to

1463
01:24:49,400 --> 01:24:52,360
Speaker 1: think about and then doing it stuffing like gets people

1464
01:24:52,439 --> 01:24:55,120
Speaker 1: up and running for me, because earlier I was telling

1465
01:24:55,160 --> 01:24:56,760
Speaker 1: the story of just trying to like figure it out,

1466
01:24:57,400 --> 01:25:01,000
Speaker 1: you know, and learn how to be like basically proficient

1467
01:25:01,160 --> 01:25:03,760
Speaker 1: because you could be a phenomenal caller that I was

1468
01:25:03,760 --> 01:25:06,400
Speaker 1: talking about, guys up being a phenomenal caller. But I'm

1469
01:25:06,400 --> 01:25:10,200
Speaker 1: almost kind of surprised by the fact that every spring,

1470
01:25:12,479 --> 01:25:17,599
Speaker 1: I like, dumb ask me, like, every spring, I'm able

1471
01:25:17,680 --> 01:25:24,200
Speaker 1: to kill a handful of turkeys by a combination of, um,

1472
01:25:25,240 --> 01:25:30,439
Speaker 1: understanding the birds work in the habitat right, like taking

1473
01:25:30,479 --> 01:25:34,640
Speaker 1: their mood, but also just being able to do the

1474
01:25:35,040 --> 01:25:37,960
Speaker 1: like at the right time the right amount of calling,

1475
01:25:38,520 --> 01:25:41,280
Speaker 1: you know. And that's been hard to learn, man. And

1476
01:25:41,360 --> 01:25:44,080
Speaker 1: I think that the and and learning how to like

1477
01:25:44,240 --> 01:25:48,760
Speaker 1: just get like basically proficient at calls can be a

1478
01:25:48,880 --> 01:25:52,599
Speaker 1: challenging process. Um, I like trying to be pretty open

1479
01:25:52,640 --> 01:25:54,200
Speaker 1: about the fact that, like it's not like I just

1480
01:25:54,240 --> 01:25:57,000
Speaker 1: pick them up and kick ass, but I've got to

1481
01:25:57,040 --> 01:25:59,360
Speaker 1: the point where with the right stuff I can make

1482
01:25:59,400 --> 01:26:03,240
Speaker 1: the right noise and kill turkeys. And I think that's

1483
01:26:03,479 --> 01:26:06,280
Speaker 1: that's important to note, is everybody picks one up and

1484
01:26:06,320 --> 01:26:08,160
Speaker 1: if they need to be the best. It's like, as

1485
01:26:08,600 --> 01:26:11,560
Speaker 1: you know, as the interview earlier, you just need to

1486
01:26:12,040 --> 01:26:14,800
Speaker 1: I think cadence is important and as you mentioned, you know,

1487
01:26:14,960 --> 01:26:16,599
Speaker 1: being in the right spot at the right time, making

1488
01:26:16,640 --> 01:26:20,800
Speaker 1: the right decisions, um, being you know, extremely patient. Like

1489
01:26:20,920 --> 01:26:22,880
Speaker 1: I'm not very patient, so it's it's ruined a lot

1490
01:26:22,920 --> 01:26:24,519
Speaker 1: of turkey hunts for me or where I would have

1491
01:26:24,560 --> 01:26:27,519
Speaker 1: been successful quicker. But yeah, I don't think you need

1492
01:26:27,560 --> 01:26:29,560
Speaker 1: to be able to pick these up and be the

1493
01:26:29,600 --> 01:26:31,240
Speaker 1: best caller out there. You don't need to be you know,

1494
01:26:31,320 --> 01:26:33,880
Speaker 1: willing or able to go you know, take first or

1495
01:26:33,920 --> 01:26:35,920
Speaker 1: second on the stage or whatever it may be. You

1496
01:26:36,040 --> 01:26:37,560
Speaker 1: just need to be able to make the sounds and

1497
01:26:37,840 --> 01:26:40,280
Speaker 1: be more confident in making the sounds. That was the

1498
01:26:40,320 --> 01:26:43,560
Speaker 1: point I wanted to make, man, is uh, getting to

1499
01:26:43,680 --> 01:26:48,640
Speaker 1: that level of confidence where when you're in a good situation, um,

1500
01:26:49,080 --> 01:26:51,000
Speaker 1: having the confidence and then do what you need to

1501
01:26:51,080 --> 01:26:54,640
Speaker 1: do because like you just don't want to do it

1502
01:26:54,720 --> 01:26:57,439
Speaker 1: and have like some crazy sound that's just so far

1503
01:26:57,560 --> 01:27:00,400
Speaker 1: off it's not gonna work. But getting to where you're comfortable, like,

1504
01:27:00,640 --> 01:27:04,639
Speaker 1: at the right moment, I'll be able to do it. Yeah,

1505
01:27:04,680 --> 01:27:07,280
Speaker 1: there's a lot of cocky. Yeah. I think a lot

1506
01:27:07,320 --> 01:27:09,559
Speaker 1: of guys will get set up and they're so scared

1507
01:27:09,600 --> 01:27:11,240
Speaker 1: to make a sound. They're like, well, we'll just take

1508
01:27:11,240 --> 01:27:13,200
Speaker 1: our chances, like if that bird decides to walk by,

1509
01:27:13,240 --> 01:27:15,040
Speaker 1: will kill him. If not, we're just not gonna make

1510
01:27:15,040 --> 01:27:17,360
Speaker 1: a sound, you know. Um, And they'll just be silent.

1511
01:27:17,400 --> 01:27:18,559
Speaker 1: And I'm like, well, you at least need to get

1512
01:27:18,600 --> 01:27:21,000
Speaker 1: to the point where on whether it's a box, a pot, like,

1513
01:27:21,880 --> 01:27:23,080
Speaker 1: you know something, you need to be able to at

1514
01:27:23,120 --> 01:27:24,960
Speaker 1: least make a sound so that bird knows you're there

1515
01:27:25,120 --> 01:27:26,960
Speaker 1: and and draws their attention to U spot. Otherwise just

1516
01:27:27,000 --> 01:27:30,000
Speaker 1: sitting there. You know, your chances are are really low.

1517
01:27:30,280 --> 01:27:32,439
Speaker 1: I think you know, I'm actually wearing my meat or

1518
01:27:32,479 --> 01:27:34,760
Speaker 1: T shirt right now. That shows the probability of a

1519
01:27:34,840 --> 01:27:39,280
Speaker 1: turkey just walking by you if you do nothing. What's that?

1520
01:27:39,360 --> 01:27:42,400
Speaker 1: What's the percentage? It just depends, but it winds up

1521
01:27:42,439 --> 01:27:44,320
Speaker 1: being in this scenario, I think you have like a

1522
01:27:44,439 --> 01:27:48,360
Speaker 1: nine percent chance that he'll just walk by, younge. It's

1523
01:27:48,400 --> 01:27:51,879
Speaker 1: like all the computations to figure out, um it's distance

1524
01:27:52,040 --> 01:27:56,840
Speaker 1: from you. You just sit there and it's distance from you.

1525
01:27:57,160 --> 01:27:59,679
Speaker 1: And if you factor in this all these kind of things,

1526
01:27:59,760 --> 01:28:02,080
Speaker 1: what the odds it will pass within shotgun range at

1527
01:28:02,120 --> 01:28:08,840
Speaker 1: various distances as it goes about it roost. It's coming

1528
01:28:08,880 --> 01:28:13,320
Speaker 1: from a fixed a fixed point you call, you crawl

1529
01:28:13,360 --> 01:28:15,240
Speaker 1: into seventy yards? This is the question. You can see

1530
01:28:15,280 --> 01:28:17,120
Speaker 1: that we have a lot of different that's that, that's

1531
01:28:17,200 --> 01:28:19,960
Speaker 1: this computated Yeah, that's a turkey on there. That's a

1532
01:28:20,040 --> 01:28:22,519
Speaker 1: computation the same thing. And be that you crawl within

1533
01:28:22,680 --> 01:28:25,360
Speaker 1: seventy yards of a turkey on its roost and do nothing?

1534
01:28:27,000 --> 01:28:29,200
Speaker 1: What are the odds that will pass within shotgun range?

1535
01:28:30,280 --> 01:28:34,120
Speaker 1: So thirty yards on either side of you? Yeah, I

1536
01:28:34,160 --> 01:28:36,679
Speaker 1: think it was like nine. Or I had a guy

1537
01:28:36,960 --> 01:28:39,439
Speaker 1: I was cleaning fish one day in Michigan and there's

1538
01:28:39,439 --> 01:28:43,840
Speaker 1: a guy looking at this shirt and he says, you

1539
01:28:43,920 --> 01:28:52,120
Speaker 1: know that's wrong, And he's the one that sent I

1540
01:28:52,200 --> 01:28:55,479
Speaker 1: can't remember one of these around here's the one he sent. Oh,

1541
01:28:55,560 --> 01:28:57,559
Speaker 1: I didn't know that those aren't from the same purpose.

1542
01:28:57,600 --> 01:28:59,640
Speaker 1: He's like, he goes, I see what they're doing, but

1543
01:28:59,720 --> 01:29:02,160
Speaker 1: I do it that way. And he sent us a

1544
01:29:02,240 --> 01:29:06,439
Speaker 1: new formula. It's somewhere around here. Either way, it's it's

1545
01:29:06,520 --> 01:29:12,400
Speaker 1: better to try to do something. It's better to try something.

1546
01:29:12,880 --> 01:29:15,080
Speaker 1: In order to try something, you gotta have the confidence

1547
01:29:15,160 --> 01:29:19,479
Speaker 1: to do it. So when you're going to talk about

1548
01:29:19,520 --> 01:29:21,760
Speaker 1: making calls, a little bit like what like how you

1549
01:29:21,880 --> 01:29:23,519
Speaker 1: make them? What the hell is the turkey call? So

1550
01:29:24,920 --> 01:29:27,280
Speaker 1: like specifics because I mean, I talk through the whole

1551
01:29:27,320 --> 01:29:30,040
Speaker 1: walk through the whole arsenal. So there's there's multiple ways

1552
01:29:30,160 --> 01:29:32,160
Speaker 1: to get to what sounds like a turkey. And I'm

1553
01:29:32,200 --> 01:29:34,800
Speaker 1: not gonna you know, I'm not gonna say that I

1554
01:29:35,680 --> 01:29:37,640
Speaker 1: developed any of this. It's trying to perfect it and

1555
01:29:37,720 --> 01:29:40,040
Speaker 1: make it sound right and most of all easy to use.

1556
01:29:40,160 --> 01:29:43,559
Speaker 1: But in this lineup, we've got a box call, which

1557
01:29:43,640 --> 01:29:45,880
Speaker 1: is maybe the oldest form of calling turkeys out there.

1558
01:29:46,000 --> 01:29:48,679
Speaker 1: You know, two pieces of wood, um, the friction between

1559
01:29:48,760 --> 01:29:53,479
Speaker 1: them making a turkey sound, a yelp sound, cluck per um.

1560
01:29:53,560 --> 01:29:55,880
Speaker 1: We've got diaphragms, which I think are probably the most

1561
01:29:56,280 --> 01:29:59,519
Speaker 1: popular out there. Um you know think so, I think, well,

1562
01:30:00,000 --> 01:30:02,720
Speaker 1: I think they're the most used. Um, maybe they're not

1563
01:30:02,880 --> 01:30:06,600
Speaker 1: the most popular, but they're the most used. Um, I

1564
01:30:06,680 --> 01:30:08,640
Speaker 1: think they were. They're the one that everybody aspires to

1565
01:30:08,800 --> 01:30:11,200
Speaker 1: because it's hands that's where I was gonna get. I mean,

1566
01:30:11,320 --> 01:30:13,880
Speaker 1: we're calling the burden. Like I've only ever called one

1567
01:30:13,960 --> 01:30:15,680
Speaker 1: bird into the gun with the box call, and I

1568
01:30:15,760 --> 01:30:17,920
Speaker 1: was scared to death. But it would only answer that

1569
01:30:17,960 --> 01:30:20,080
Speaker 1: one call because there's so much movement, Like you can't

1570
01:30:20,439 --> 01:30:23,479
Speaker 1: sit there and not make movement. Same with a pot call,

1571
01:30:23,560 --> 01:30:26,000
Speaker 1: like it works great, Um, but you gotta have set

1572
01:30:26,040 --> 01:30:27,479
Speaker 1: somebody up on the air side of the tree or

1573
01:30:27,520 --> 01:30:29,760
Speaker 1: away from you, or some deflection so that they're not

1574
01:30:29,840 --> 01:30:32,800
Speaker 1: looking at where the guns at. Um. But you got

1575
01:30:32,880 --> 01:30:35,599
Speaker 1: the diaphragms, and we've got the pot calls. So it's

1576
01:30:35,680 --> 01:30:37,560
Speaker 1: kind of when you look at the three if you

1577
01:30:37,640 --> 01:30:39,080
Speaker 1: just stick to the I mean there's other things too,

1578
01:30:39,120 --> 01:30:42,519
Speaker 1: like wingbone calls and all like little spring loaded boxes.

1579
01:30:42,560 --> 01:30:45,320
Speaker 1: But if you take those the standards, it's kind of

1580
01:30:45,400 --> 01:30:51,600
Speaker 1: amazing if you look at them, the wildly different technological

1581
01:30:51,760 --> 01:30:58,080
Speaker 1: approaches to produce similar sounds. Those similar sounds, like you

1582
01:30:58,160 --> 01:31:00,040
Speaker 1: think that they would all look like a lot like

1583
01:31:00,160 --> 01:31:03,320
Speaker 1: each other, but they're real different, look different. But I

1584
01:31:03,439 --> 01:31:06,760
Speaker 1: think that the imagine to help me here, Jason. But

1585
01:31:06,880 --> 01:31:13,679
Speaker 1: like the components are friction and then a chamber, Yeah,

1586
01:31:13,720 --> 01:31:16,880
Speaker 1: a sound chamber. Friction aside from the diaphragm, like there

1587
01:31:16,920 --> 01:31:20,040
Speaker 1: were just but all the other ones technically can fall

1588
01:31:20,080 --> 01:31:23,640
Speaker 1: into that group of like the slot calls, the pushpins,

1589
01:31:23,720 --> 01:31:26,479
Speaker 1: you know, all of that, um you know wingbone. Back

1590
01:31:26,520 --> 01:31:27,880
Speaker 1: in the day, I tried to make some you know,

1591
01:31:27,920 --> 01:31:31,040
Speaker 1: wingbone calls, and I mean that's that's just like air, um,

1592
01:31:31,160 --> 01:31:33,400
Speaker 1: you know, going through the three different leg sections. A

1593
01:31:33,479 --> 01:31:36,880
Speaker 1: guy sent me some beautiful wingbone pretty it's fun to mess.

1594
01:31:37,000 --> 01:31:40,519
Speaker 1: They sound good. I haven't given it the amount of time,

1595
01:31:40,800 --> 01:31:42,840
Speaker 1: but he sent me a video of him doing it. Yeah,

1596
01:31:42,920 --> 01:31:45,040
Speaker 1: he does nice little clocks on it. Got you. I've

1597
01:31:45,040 --> 01:31:48,799
Speaker 1: always wondered like if there's a uh you know, correlation

1598
01:31:48,840 --> 01:31:51,479
Speaker 1: between like how good they look and how good they sound,

1599
01:31:51,600 --> 01:31:53,160
Speaker 1: or because they can make him beautiful, But like does

1600
01:31:53,200 --> 01:31:55,080
Speaker 1: I think it's like it's like an it's like an

1601
01:31:55,160 --> 01:31:57,840
Speaker 1: artisan thing. Man, he like makes artism calls, but then

1602
01:31:57,880 --> 01:32:00,519
Speaker 1: he has gone out and killed turkeys with them. But

1603
01:32:00,640 --> 01:32:05,080
Speaker 1: it's it's very much. Um yeah, it's like it's more

1604
01:32:05,120 --> 01:32:08,720
Speaker 1: about craft. Yeah, yeah, I think than than than functionality.

1605
01:32:08,800 --> 01:32:11,040
Speaker 1: But it is interesting. You take a turkey's wingbone, chop

1606
01:32:11,120 --> 01:32:12,880
Speaker 1: it all up, reassemble it and suck on it and

1607
01:32:12,960 --> 01:32:15,960
Speaker 1: make like a turkey sound. Yeah, it's cool. I mean,

1608
01:32:16,120 --> 01:32:18,479
Speaker 1: you can all do that with a hollow stick probably too. Yeah,

1609
01:32:18,640 --> 01:32:22,320
Speaker 1: they've they've manufactured wingbone calls. To what you're doing on

1610
01:32:22,360 --> 01:32:26,120
Speaker 1: wingbo calls, you're basically like you're everything else is, you know,

1611
01:32:26,280 --> 01:32:29,160
Speaker 1: their mouth calls. You're blowing on a wingbone call, you're

1612
01:32:29,920 --> 01:32:34,960
Speaker 1: basically puckering and sucking. Yeah, it's like a reverse kiss almost. Yeah,

1613
01:32:35,040 --> 01:32:36,559
Speaker 1: it's like you put your mouth on this little tube

1614
01:32:36,560 --> 01:32:39,160
Speaker 1: and go. Yeah. I had said something going aside one

1615
01:32:39,200 --> 01:32:40,760
Speaker 1: time to do it, and I'm like it was just

1616
01:32:40,880 --> 01:32:43,120
Speaker 1: too too deep. And I'm like, man, you can only

1617
01:32:43,160 --> 01:32:45,479
Speaker 1: make certain sounds, and I'm just gonna stick with these ones.

1618
01:32:45,560 --> 01:32:47,040
Speaker 1: So I wouldn't it be interesting if you could go

1619
01:32:47,160 --> 01:32:51,360
Speaker 1: back in time for seventeen fifty, right, and I know,

1620
01:32:51,479 --> 01:32:53,120
Speaker 1: you know, you know, you know, you know, like the

1621
01:32:53,200 --> 01:32:55,960
Speaker 1: Frontiersman and Boone's Air, like they ate a lot of turkeys.

1622
01:32:56,760 --> 01:32:58,639
Speaker 1: You know, they did a lot of roof shooting and whatnot.

1623
01:32:58,960 --> 01:33:02,479
Speaker 1: But were those guys sitting out there sucking on wingbone

1624
01:33:02,520 --> 01:33:05,640
Speaker 1: calls or they have been and I shoot him out

1625
01:33:05,640 --> 01:33:07,599
Speaker 1: of the tree man the dark. I ain't back then

1626
01:33:07,640 --> 01:33:09,639
Speaker 1: when it's I think they're shooting out of the tree.

1627
01:33:10,320 --> 01:33:13,120
Speaker 1: They just want to eat them and mess around with them.

1628
01:33:13,120 --> 01:33:16,160
Speaker 1: This call and now it's frowned upon legal in most states.

1629
01:33:16,560 --> 01:33:18,840
Speaker 1: I think it was. Abernathy was telling me the story

1630
01:33:19,800 --> 01:33:23,639
Speaker 1: about an area where there was historically like very few turkeys.

1631
01:33:24,560 --> 01:33:27,160
Speaker 1: And he was saying that someone he knew or some

1632
01:33:27,280 --> 01:33:30,160
Speaker 1: relative at his has a story where they saw a

1633
01:33:30,200 --> 01:33:34,920
Speaker 1: turkey in a tree and came home all excited. They

1634
01:33:34,960 --> 01:33:36,800
Speaker 1: went back and shot the turkey down out of the

1635
01:33:36,920 --> 01:33:40,120
Speaker 1: tree and brought it home and it was a buzzard.

1636
01:33:43,160 --> 01:33:46,479
Speaker 1: But it's like, that's how rare turkeys were. Man, I

1637
01:33:46,520 --> 01:33:48,360
Speaker 1: don't as much as you guys just laughed. I don't

1638
01:33:48,360 --> 01:33:50,000
Speaker 1: want to know if I want to tell this next story.

1639
01:33:50,400 --> 01:33:56,200
Speaker 1: Oh please, I'm a buzzard shooter. When I was young. Um,

1640
01:33:56,400 --> 01:33:58,479
Speaker 1: one of the areas we've had lots of turkeys. I

1641
01:33:58,600 --> 01:34:02,080
Speaker 1: was probably high school senior, junior in high school. UM,

1642
01:34:02,400 --> 01:34:03,800
Speaker 1: me and my wife were going on a bike ride

1643
01:34:03,880 --> 01:34:05,799
Speaker 1: or something kind of just to go check on the turkeys.

1644
01:34:05,880 --> 01:34:09,400
Speaker 1: And sure enough, something flushed up into a tree and oh,

1645
01:34:09,479 --> 01:34:11,800
Speaker 1: there's birds here, Like you back out. I'm gonna run

1646
01:34:11,840 --> 01:34:13,920
Speaker 1: home and get a shotgun and I'll come back out.

1647
01:34:15,200 --> 01:34:17,040
Speaker 1: And that bird had dropped back down in the field

1648
01:34:17,040 --> 01:34:19,920
Speaker 1: and they kind of snuck through the field and that

1649
01:34:20,040 --> 01:34:24,160
Speaker 1: was stinky old buzzard. Man. But as you know, it

1650
01:34:24,280 --> 01:34:26,760
Speaker 1: was season, it was everything was and you know, ended

1651
01:34:26,800 --> 01:34:28,920
Speaker 1: up shooting my first buzzard. I don't want to go

1652
01:34:29,000 --> 01:34:31,879
Speaker 1: into detail, but I've had occasion to smell a buzzard

1653
01:34:33,160 --> 01:34:37,240
Speaker 1: and it's all their worldly orders. Oh they're disgusting. That's

1654
01:34:37,240 --> 01:34:39,760
Speaker 1: not good an So yeah, back to the call. So yeah,

1655
01:34:39,760 --> 01:34:41,720
Speaker 1: we've got the three different calls. Um, you know, when

1656
01:34:41,720 --> 01:34:43,559
Speaker 1: you go into a box call, you're trying to pair

1657
01:34:43,720 --> 01:34:45,600
Speaker 1: up two woods that worked well together. You know, you

1658
01:34:45,640 --> 01:34:47,519
Speaker 1: could have put walnut on the walnut. You could put

1659
01:34:47,600 --> 01:34:50,040
Speaker 1: you know, cherry walnut. And we're kind of the standards.

1660
01:34:50,080 --> 01:34:53,120
Speaker 1: You can get into the exotics. But um, like man,

1661
01:34:53,840 --> 01:34:56,160
Speaker 1: I think when we sat out, when we set out

1662
01:34:56,240 --> 01:34:58,320
Speaker 1: to make this call, we wanted it to be good looking.

1663
01:34:58,479 --> 01:35:01,360
Speaker 1: But then also more importantly for me and us, is

1664
01:35:01,640 --> 01:35:03,280
Speaker 1: it for it to sound good. And so there's a

1665
01:35:03,360 --> 01:35:07,479
Speaker 1: there's a nostalgia to box calls where they bring out

1666
01:35:09,560 --> 01:35:13,160
Speaker 1: there's the ornateness to them. Like oftentimes people touch a

1667
01:35:13,200 --> 01:35:14,920
Speaker 1: box calling, the first thing they comment on is it

1668
01:35:14,960 --> 01:35:18,880
Speaker 1: it's beautiful. Yeah, and I mean, well the listeners can't

1669
01:35:18,920 --> 01:35:20,920
Speaker 1: see this thing right now. Um, but I mean this

1670
01:35:21,120 --> 01:35:23,800
Speaker 1: is I keep my ear turned to the Turkey world

1671
01:35:23,840 --> 01:35:25,760
Speaker 1: and like pay attention to box Like this thing is

1672
01:35:26,439 --> 01:35:28,160
Speaker 1: is a piece of art, the one that we put

1673
01:35:28,200 --> 01:35:30,599
Speaker 1: together in it and it more importantly, it just sounds good.

1674
01:35:30,640 --> 01:35:33,360
Speaker 1: And so um is Steven mentioned earlier like one of

1675
01:35:33,439 --> 01:35:35,320
Speaker 1: the things you have to do to get this call

1676
01:35:35,400 --> 01:35:38,120
Speaker 1: to operate is you need to get the lid to

1677
01:35:38,320 --> 01:35:42,040
Speaker 1: grab to the sidewall of the box. Um. And so

1678
01:35:42,200 --> 01:35:45,920
Speaker 1: we use chalk to do so. And then um, as

1679
01:35:45,960 --> 01:35:47,800
Speaker 1: you swipe I'm looking at the calls, the right handed

1680
01:35:47,840 --> 01:35:49,880
Speaker 1: callor I'm gonna swip the paddle right to left, it

1681
01:35:49,920 --> 01:35:53,040
Speaker 1: will make contact higher up the box. Um. So you

1682
01:35:53,080 --> 01:35:55,320
Speaker 1: need that to be a little bit thicker because we

1683
01:35:55,400 --> 01:35:58,040
Speaker 1: need to get less vibration out of this sidewall. And

1684
01:35:58,080 --> 01:36:00,160
Speaker 1: then as it gets down towards the bottom, we we'll

1685
01:36:00,200 --> 01:36:02,720
Speaker 1: hear that call start to break over and that's where

1686
01:36:02,720 --> 01:36:05,640
Speaker 1: it gets thinner. People at people at home. Imagine if

1687
01:36:05,680 --> 01:36:07,720
Speaker 1: somehow you don't know what this is, Imagine you have

1688
01:36:07,800 --> 01:36:12,599
Speaker 1: a rectangular box with a wooden lid. Yep, but then

1689
01:36:12,680 --> 01:36:14,840
Speaker 1: the lid is fixed at one point, so the lid

1690
01:36:14,960 --> 01:36:17,479
Speaker 1: can just kind of slide back and forth. So we're

1691
01:36:17,960 --> 01:36:28,120
Speaker 1: sliding the lid across the lip of the box. And

1692
01:36:28,600 --> 01:36:31,439
Speaker 1: so you just be down right excited and then not

1693
01:36:31,600 --> 01:36:34,040
Speaker 1: to pat myself on the back. But these things come

1694
01:36:34,080 --> 01:36:37,120
Speaker 1: out of some you know, some routers, some three D routers,

1695
01:36:37,160 --> 01:36:40,120
Speaker 1: as close as possible. But there's no when you're building

1696
01:36:40,160 --> 01:36:42,000
Speaker 1: a call out of wood. It's not like this latex,

1697
01:36:42,080 --> 01:36:44,760
Speaker 1: which I can take every piece of latex speck it out.

1698
01:36:44,800 --> 01:36:48,679
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, it's point three inches exact. It's uniform wood

1699
01:36:48,720 --> 01:36:51,519
Speaker 1: as wood. And so here's the big crux of building

1700
01:36:51,600 --> 01:36:54,080
Speaker 1: a wood call that sounds good is that this thing

1701
01:36:54,200 --> 01:36:56,639
Speaker 1: might have grains that goes perfectly straight down the sidewall.

1702
01:36:56,880 --> 01:36:58,800
Speaker 1: It might have some sap wood in it, it might

1703
01:36:58,880 --> 01:37:01,000
Speaker 1: have some figure in am. I have a burrel on

1704
01:37:01,120 --> 01:37:03,360
Speaker 1: one side, and so here I am. After they'll come

1705
01:37:03,400 --> 01:37:05,439
Speaker 1: off of the machine. You have to literally tune one

1706
01:37:05,520 --> 01:37:08,679
Speaker 1: of these hand by hand, you know, one after another,

1707
01:37:09,080 --> 01:37:11,519
Speaker 1: each side by hand to get it both sides to

1708
01:37:11,600 --> 01:37:13,640
Speaker 1: run like a turkey. What does that process look like

1709
01:37:13,680 --> 01:37:17,200
Speaker 1: when you're doing that? So I get it's kind of

1710
01:37:17,240 --> 01:37:20,160
Speaker 1: like if you can imagine me being very angry at first, um,

1711
01:37:20,360 --> 01:37:22,599
Speaker 1: because I'm gonna I'm running the box way harder than

1712
01:37:22,600 --> 01:37:24,280
Speaker 1: I should. I'm really just trying to get that chalk

1713
01:37:24,360 --> 01:37:26,760
Speaker 1: to like bite into the grain and really just like

1714
01:37:26,840 --> 01:37:29,439
Speaker 1: fill the call up with chalk. And then you're listening,

1715
01:37:29,600 --> 01:37:31,519
Speaker 1: Like as you do it over time, you you get

1716
01:37:31,560 --> 01:37:33,240
Speaker 1: a pretty good ear for it. Like if it sounds

1717
01:37:33,320 --> 01:37:35,760
Speaker 1: like it's scratchy, like the box call I have is

1718
01:37:35,800 --> 01:37:37,880
Speaker 1: not tuned on the left side, So if I start

1719
01:37:37,960 --> 01:37:42,920
Speaker 1: to hear like wood versus would like a scratchy it's

1720
01:37:42,960 --> 01:37:46,599
Speaker 1: typically in the paddle. UM, So I'll take the paddle off,

1721
01:37:46,640 --> 01:37:47,960
Speaker 1: or I'll stand the paddle and try to get it

1722
01:37:48,000 --> 01:37:49,880
Speaker 1: to smooth out, or maybe there's like a little bit

1723
01:37:49,920 --> 01:37:52,840
Speaker 1: of a chunk out of the paddle. Um. If it's

1724
01:37:52,880 --> 01:37:55,400
Speaker 1: not like if the timing is not right, like hide

1725
01:37:55,479 --> 01:37:58,360
Speaker 1: to low, and like in Cadence, it's typically on the sidewall,

1726
01:37:58,600 --> 01:38:00,360
Speaker 1: so I'll go mess with the sidewall and then out

1727
01:38:00,680 --> 01:38:03,960
Speaker 1: a section and and it's kind of it's really an

1728
01:38:04,080 --> 01:38:07,680
Speaker 1: art to kind of hand tune these things. Now, we

1729
01:38:07,840 --> 01:38:10,880
Speaker 1: could set up the machine to just do all this perfectly,

1730
01:38:11,000 --> 01:38:13,439
Speaker 1: but once again it's would um. And so for me

1731
01:38:13,640 --> 01:38:15,639
Speaker 1: rather than throwing half of these boxes in the garbage,

1732
01:38:15,640 --> 01:38:17,680
Speaker 1: because I don't want to put your name, the meat

1733
01:38:17,680 --> 01:38:19,360
Speaker 1: eater name, or the Phelps name on them. I don't

1734
01:38:19,360 --> 01:38:21,360
Speaker 1: want to toss these all. What we do is we

1735
01:38:21,439 --> 01:38:23,479
Speaker 1: do kind of a conservative build on a box call.

1736
01:38:23,600 --> 01:38:25,640
Speaker 1: Give me a lot of meat in that wall, and

1737
01:38:25,720 --> 01:38:28,080
Speaker 1: all slowly stand my way into a call that sounds good.

1738
01:38:28,479 --> 01:38:30,680
Speaker 1: How long does it take you to tune one? Um,

1739
01:38:30,880 --> 01:38:32,560
Speaker 1: it really depends. Some of them will give me like

1740
01:38:32,600 --> 01:38:34,519
Speaker 1: a five to ten minute fit, like need a lot

1741
01:38:34,560 --> 01:38:36,760
Speaker 1: of work. Sometimes it's just a real quick you know,

1742
01:38:36,880 --> 01:38:39,280
Speaker 1: thirty swipes, ten swipes to get the angle right, and

1743
01:38:39,360 --> 01:38:42,200
Speaker 1: we're we will swipe, swipe, check and we're out in

1744
01:38:42,240 --> 01:38:45,360
Speaker 1: a minute. And you too, You always tune one wall. No,

1745
01:38:45,760 --> 01:38:48,040
Speaker 1: so on my personal call I brought here, I just

1746
01:38:48,120 --> 01:38:49,920
Speaker 1: tuned the right side because I'm right handed caller. That's

1747
01:38:49,920 --> 01:38:52,600
Speaker 1: the side I play most. Whether I'm I'm kind of

1748
01:38:52,680 --> 01:38:54,720
Speaker 1: the I don't know what you call us the tomahawk chop,

1749
01:38:55,240 --> 01:38:57,080
Speaker 1: like running it this way, or if I'm running it

1750
01:38:57,240 --> 01:39:00,120
Speaker 1: kind of flat style. Um, so the right side is

1751
01:39:00,160 --> 01:39:02,519
Speaker 1: what I play typically. But on every call we send out,

1752
01:39:02,560 --> 01:39:05,040
Speaker 1: we try to tune them to two different turkeys left

1753
01:39:05,080 --> 01:39:08,080
Speaker 1: and right, and make sure that both sides play um,

1754
01:39:08,680 --> 01:39:13,160
Speaker 1: and and everybody's a little bit different. Um. I kind

1755
01:39:13,160 --> 01:39:14,840
Speaker 1: of have a group of pre tuners that get me

1756
01:39:14,960 --> 01:39:18,000
Speaker 1: close so that I'm not so that I'm not doing

1757
01:39:18,240 --> 01:39:22,080
Speaker 1: the entire legwork myself, because five D seems like a

1758
01:39:22,200 --> 01:39:24,439
Speaker 1: big number. Maybe a small number, but it seems like

1759
01:39:24,560 --> 01:39:26,800
Speaker 1: it's a million when you're when it comes to like

1760
01:39:26,920 --> 01:39:30,840
Speaker 1: five box calls needing tuned, UM, that number becomes exponentially

1761
01:39:30,840 --> 01:39:33,679
Speaker 1: bigger than it really is one of your counting box calls.

1762
01:39:34,120 --> 01:39:36,360
Speaker 1: So if you want to touch something touched by the

1763
01:39:36,479 --> 01:39:42,000
Speaker 1: actual Jason Phelps right now, pull a fingerprint off. Oh

1764
01:39:42,080 --> 01:39:44,120
Speaker 1: I know all the mouth calls have been in his mouth?

1765
01:39:44,560 --> 01:39:49,519
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, we pretun all those. That's a that's a

1766
01:39:49,520 --> 01:39:52,519
Speaker 1: little call humor, that's no old that's an old call joke.

1767
01:39:52,800 --> 01:39:55,360
Speaker 1: The mouth calls have not been and felps his mouth.

1768
01:39:55,520 --> 01:39:57,479
Speaker 1: And then one of the things I do why we're

1769
01:39:57,760 --> 01:40:00,519
Speaker 1: we've got the time is is like tuning a box call,

1770
01:40:01,000 --> 01:40:05,320
Speaker 1: like showing up here to Montana and what relative humidity

1771
01:40:05,680 --> 01:40:09,639
Speaker 1: going to Washington to relative humidity. Um, there's a spring

1772
01:40:09,760 --> 01:40:12,519
Speaker 1: under the screw which the box call pivots on that

1773
01:40:12,720 --> 01:40:16,160
Speaker 1: can rattle around and rotate even in shipping or from

1774
01:40:16,640 --> 01:40:18,840
Speaker 1: you may need to adjust that and so well, I

1775
01:40:18,880 --> 01:40:21,120
Speaker 1: don't recommend you take your box call and get your

1776
01:40:21,160 --> 01:40:23,800
Speaker 1: Phillips head screw driver out before you start to play it.

1777
01:40:24,000 --> 01:40:29,040
Speaker 1: There is always some minor tweaking on that screw um

1778
01:40:29,600 --> 01:40:31,200
Speaker 1: if the call seems to be too high pitch and

1779
01:40:31,280 --> 01:40:34,680
Speaker 1: it doesn't break over, if you run the screw clockwise

1780
01:40:34,840 --> 01:40:37,519
Speaker 1: and actually tighten it, you will start to get your

1781
01:40:37,560 --> 01:40:39,920
Speaker 1: back end earlier, so you'll get the two you know,

1782
01:40:40,000 --> 01:40:41,960
Speaker 1: the second part of the note before you're all the

1783
01:40:42,000 --> 01:40:45,439
Speaker 1: way parallel. Um. If your call is too tight, then

1784
01:40:45,479 --> 01:40:47,080
Speaker 1: you can loosen it and it will actually make the

1785
01:40:47,120 --> 01:40:50,120
Speaker 1: call higher pitch. UM. So there's it's kind of as

1786
01:40:50,160 --> 01:40:51,960
Speaker 1: I mentioned earlier, So the tunings me standing it and

1787
01:40:52,040 --> 01:40:54,760
Speaker 1: then really adjusting the screw um for the box called

1788
01:40:54,800 --> 01:40:58,599
Speaker 1: it we designed. Um A good starting place is the screw,

1789
01:40:58,680 --> 01:41:01,600
Speaker 1: the the the brass crew all the way down and

1790
01:41:01,640 --> 01:41:04,280
Speaker 1: then come out three quarters of a turn. It's kind

1791
01:41:04,320 --> 01:41:05,680
Speaker 1: of going to get you in that ballpark, and we

1792
01:41:05,880 --> 01:41:09,599
Speaker 1: started adjusting from there. UM. So like I always cringe,

1793
01:41:09,640 --> 01:41:11,679
Speaker 1: it's people like getting out and tune in their calls

1794
01:41:12,160 --> 01:41:13,720
Speaker 1: right off the bat. But that's if things are just

1795
01:41:13,840 --> 01:41:16,120
Speaker 1: out of whack. Um, that's that's a good place to

1796
01:41:16,160 --> 01:41:19,639
Speaker 1: get back to because just a slight turn, not even

1797
01:41:19,680 --> 01:41:23,120
Speaker 1: a whole quarter turn on a box call huge, huge, Yeah,

1798
01:41:23,200 --> 01:41:25,439
Speaker 1: I mean the eighth of a turn would would change

1799
01:41:25,479 --> 01:41:27,559
Speaker 1: the call when I was tuning them from not working

1800
01:41:27,680 --> 01:41:31,120
Speaker 1: to speak in like Perry Turkey, it's crazy that a

1801
01:41:31,200 --> 01:41:33,559
Speaker 1: little bit of just changing the angle that that leads

1802
01:41:33,600 --> 01:41:37,640
Speaker 1: hitting hitting the boxes is what matters. No idea is that,

1803
01:41:38,280 --> 01:41:41,320
Speaker 1: like I would you know, my tendencies to get in there,

1804
01:41:41,320 --> 01:41:45,479
Speaker 1: I don't know, quarter half crank. I mean like I'll

1805
01:41:45,520 --> 01:41:48,800
Speaker 1: get to the bottom of this and that's where it's.

1806
01:41:49,360 --> 01:41:51,519
Speaker 1: You know, you can nerd out on these things because

1807
01:41:51,640 --> 01:41:54,360
Speaker 1: that eighth of a turn matters, or you know, the

1808
01:41:54,439 --> 01:41:56,400
Speaker 1: difference in the wood matters, or you know, I got

1809
01:41:56,479 --> 01:41:57,840
Speaker 1: to the point where, oh we got sap wood on

1810
01:41:57,960 --> 01:41:59,320
Speaker 1: one side, we need to come out a little bit

1811
01:41:59,320 --> 01:42:01,320
Speaker 1: more because it's a a bit tighter grain or whatever

1812
01:42:01,360 --> 01:42:03,080
Speaker 1: it needs to be. Like you just start to learn.

1813
01:42:03,160 --> 01:42:06,160
Speaker 1: But um, yeah, those things were meant to be, you know,

1814
01:42:06,240 --> 01:42:10,800
Speaker 1: tweaked a little bit by the end user based on location, humidity, um.

1815
01:42:11,000 --> 01:42:13,599
Speaker 1: And then we also want to note, um, the box

1816
01:42:13,680 --> 01:42:15,960
Speaker 1: call is tough to run at least ours being you know,

1817
01:42:16,000 --> 01:42:18,599
Speaker 1: pure wood doesn't have the waterproof chalk or anything. They're

1818
01:42:18,600 --> 01:42:20,439
Speaker 1: they're kind of the first call that gets put away

1819
01:42:20,479 --> 01:42:22,639
Speaker 1: in a plastic bag, you know, when the rain hits.

1820
01:42:22,680 --> 01:42:25,360
Speaker 1: So that call kind of just it's a it's a

1821
01:42:25,439 --> 01:42:28,720
Speaker 1: fair weather call, um, but it does have it's got

1822
01:42:28,800 --> 01:42:30,439
Speaker 1: that distance. And I just love the sound of a

1823
01:42:31,040 --> 01:42:33,519
Speaker 1: well tuned box call. Um. I know a lot of

1824
01:42:33,560 --> 01:42:35,559
Speaker 1: guys like you and just trying to you know, when

1825
01:42:35,560 --> 01:42:37,280
Speaker 1: you can't get nothing going on, just trying to get

1826
01:42:37,320 --> 01:42:39,599
Speaker 1: a gobble too, because you just get a loud piercing,

1827
01:42:40,400 --> 01:42:43,080
Speaker 1: you know, and you're just trying to try and something. Man,

1828
01:42:43,400 --> 01:42:45,960
Speaker 1: they'll pull that, they'll pull that one out. Just try

1829
01:42:46,000 --> 01:42:50,080
Speaker 1: to make something happen. Talk about the before we leave

1830
01:42:50,120 --> 01:42:52,560
Speaker 1: the box call, that one thing that we wanted in

1831
01:42:52,720 --> 01:42:58,160
Speaker 1: the design of it was compact yep. Box calls can

1832
01:42:58,240 --> 01:43:00,639
Speaker 1: sometimes be unruly how big they are, Like they don't

1833
01:43:00,680 --> 01:43:02,760
Speaker 1: even make pockets in your vest that will fit some

1834
01:43:02,880 --> 01:43:05,920
Speaker 1: of the ones that are out there. But this one's

1835
01:43:06,040 --> 01:43:08,360
Speaker 1: nice where you could just you know, putting your pant

1836
01:43:08,439 --> 01:43:11,160
Speaker 1: pocket if you wanted to. Ye nine inches long and

1837
01:43:11,520 --> 01:43:14,360
Speaker 1: about one one seven inches white, So it's it's a

1838
01:43:14,680 --> 01:43:18,040
Speaker 1: nice compact side that that still gets a good high note. Um.

1839
01:43:18,080 --> 01:43:19,479
Speaker 1: You know, like you had mentioned, you got those old

1840
01:43:19,520 --> 01:43:21,640
Speaker 1: fifteen inch like boat paddles that are just you know,

1841
01:43:21,680 --> 01:43:24,519
Speaker 1: you're out there just big old swipes and and they're

1842
01:43:24,560 --> 01:43:27,040
Speaker 1: just tough to hunt with. Um, how many? How many

1843
01:43:27,080 --> 01:43:30,400
Speaker 1: of those are we gonna have? The sky's the limit?

1844
01:43:30,479 --> 01:43:32,400
Speaker 1: Like we just we we kind of hit with this

1845
01:43:32,600 --> 01:43:34,519
Speaker 1: just like here is how many you want to pick up? Two?

1846
01:43:35,320 --> 01:43:37,120
Speaker 1: We can We'll just we'll have to figure out a

1847
01:43:37,200 --> 01:43:39,439
Speaker 1: better system, but we can or I'm gonna have to

1848
01:43:39,520 --> 01:43:41,640
Speaker 1: hire somebody that's like a box call tuner. But we

1849
01:43:41,720 --> 01:43:47,320
Speaker 1: know the first five have been um, yeah, and so

1850
01:43:47,439 --> 01:43:50,400
Speaker 1: then we've got the pot calls. Um. I think I

1851
01:43:50,439 --> 01:43:53,320
Speaker 1: don't know if you honest was a bigger um cheerleader

1852
01:43:53,400 --> 01:43:54,920
Speaker 1: for the smaller pots, if it was Steve, But I

1853
01:43:55,000 --> 01:43:57,519
Speaker 1: know we didn't go with a full size pot. No, No,

1854
01:43:57,640 --> 01:43:59,880
Speaker 1: I were either. We're in we're in a line together again.

1855
01:44:00,240 --> 01:44:01,920
Speaker 1: So you know most of your pots are like because

1856
01:44:01,960 --> 01:44:06,720
Speaker 1: my turkey best has a small little the pocket heard

1857
01:44:06,880 --> 01:44:09,000
Speaker 1: why we have a slightly smaller pot call just so

1858
01:44:09,240 --> 01:44:12,080
Speaker 1: Steve can fit these in his vest um. They're a

1859
01:44:12,080 --> 01:44:13,920
Speaker 1: little bit smaller, like the way it feels in your head,

1860
01:44:13,920 --> 01:44:16,000
Speaker 1: they're easier to hold. Um. There's a lot of good

1861
01:44:16,080 --> 01:44:18,439
Speaker 1: reasons for it. And then we kind of went back

1862
01:44:18,439 --> 01:44:20,040
Speaker 1: and forth, do we bring out a slate, do we

1863
01:44:20,080 --> 01:44:22,840
Speaker 1: bring out of glass at crystal? And we ultimately ended

1864
01:44:22,920 --> 01:44:26,320
Speaker 1: up on a slate over glass and then a UM

1865
01:44:26,439 --> 01:44:30,400
Speaker 1: crystal over slate UM inside of a walnut pot. Yeah. Man,

1866
01:44:30,479 --> 01:44:32,200
Speaker 1: that's the thing that explain it to people, how it's

1867
01:44:32,200 --> 01:44:35,600
Speaker 1: got how they're not laminated. Where do you describe like

1868
01:44:35,720 --> 01:44:38,920
Speaker 1: what how there's multiple surfaces that live inside there. So

1869
01:44:39,200 --> 01:44:41,360
Speaker 1: what you need is is it's kind of that sound

1870
01:44:41,439 --> 01:44:44,800
Speaker 1: chamber and is is you guys, nobody can see this,

1871
01:44:44,880 --> 01:44:47,280
Speaker 1: but these both all have like dimensions that we were

1872
01:44:47,360 --> 01:44:50,840
Speaker 1: as we were prototyping these um. The distance you set

1873
01:44:50,920 --> 01:44:54,680
Speaker 1: that soundboard underneath the playing surface affects your breakover, it

1874
01:44:54,800 --> 01:44:58,520
Speaker 1: affects your notes, it affects everything that this call produces.

1875
01:44:58,920 --> 01:45:01,519
Speaker 1: And so the height you there's a pedestal that's actually

1876
01:45:02,080 --> 01:45:04,760
Speaker 1: like on this call um that the sounding board is

1877
01:45:04,760 --> 01:45:07,240
Speaker 1: glued to, and we change the height of that pedestal.

1878
01:45:07,560 --> 01:45:09,280
Speaker 1: The higher it is, the higher pitch, the lower it

1879
01:45:09,400 --> 01:45:11,800
Speaker 1: is that the debt or the call gets UM. And

1880
01:45:11,880 --> 01:45:14,880
Speaker 1: so we we need to set that um so that

1881
01:45:15,000 --> 01:45:19,000
Speaker 1: we can I don't know what how you everybody's kind

1882
01:45:19,000 --> 01:45:20,720
Speaker 1: of got the own their own place they play on

1883
01:45:20,840 --> 01:45:23,600
Speaker 1: these but on the edges. Yeah, so the edge, I

1884
01:45:23,680 --> 01:45:25,960
Speaker 1: would say on most calls, you probably come in like

1885
01:45:26,040 --> 01:45:27,960
Speaker 1: a half inch off the edge, you know, kind of

1886
01:45:28,040 --> 01:45:30,360
Speaker 1: as a And so that's where I played and kind

1887
01:45:30,360 --> 01:45:32,280
Speaker 1: of tuned all these calls to where most people will

1888
01:45:32,320 --> 01:45:35,280
Speaker 1: play on that perimeter, but you know, a little bit

1889
01:45:35,320 --> 01:45:37,640
Speaker 1: off the edge. UM. And so you just kind of

1890
01:45:37,680 --> 01:45:40,120
Speaker 1: trying to find two surfaces that complement each other. You know,

1891
01:45:40,160 --> 01:45:44,160
Speaker 1: there's aluminum, there's there's you know, people use real wood

1892
01:45:44,240 --> 01:45:48,080
Speaker 1: sound boards. UM. There's all kinds of of soundboards and

1893
01:45:48,640 --> 01:45:51,600
Speaker 1: tops that you can play with UM. But crystal is

1894
01:45:51,640 --> 01:45:54,240
Speaker 1: really consistent. It gives that sharper high note UM and

1895
01:45:54,280 --> 01:45:55,960
Speaker 1: then it kind of comes down and hits that slate,

1896
01:45:56,000 --> 01:45:58,360
Speaker 1: which kind of gives it a more mellow back end

1897
01:45:59,040 --> 01:46:01,640
Speaker 1: versus the slate. It's got that mellow front end, but

1898
01:46:01,680 --> 01:46:03,160
Speaker 1: then you use the glass to kind of give it

1899
01:46:03,160 --> 01:46:05,000
Speaker 1: a little bit of of a pep. And so it's

1900
01:46:05,320 --> 01:46:08,160
Speaker 1: we tested a bunch of these glass crystal slate, and

1901
01:46:08,439 --> 01:46:10,120
Speaker 1: I think we just wanted to kind of stay with

1902
01:46:10,240 --> 01:46:13,439
Speaker 1: the typical at least in the start. Um A good

1903
01:46:13,560 --> 01:46:15,760
Speaker 1: glass slash crystal call and A and a good slate

1904
01:46:15,800 --> 01:46:19,880
Speaker 1: call I always carry too. And that's that same configuration

1905
01:46:20,520 --> 01:46:22,559
Speaker 1: because one I leave stuff laying out in the woods

1906
01:46:23,320 --> 01:46:24,680
Speaker 1: and I gotta go back and try to find that

1907
01:46:24,720 --> 01:46:26,880
Speaker 1: tree where I was sitting, UM, and that keeps me

1908
01:46:26,920 --> 01:46:28,720
Speaker 1: busy while you know, I still have something in my

1909
01:46:28,920 --> 01:46:30,599
Speaker 1: arsenal when I leave one laying out in the woods.

1910
01:46:31,120 --> 01:46:35,439
Speaker 1: And too. The rain issue is different because when you

1911
01:46:35,560 --> 01:46:39,720
Speaker 1: get traditional like you know, slate like traditional, it's like

1912
01:46:40,040 --> 01:46:43,320
Speaker 1: slate like out of the earth. Right when it gets wet,

1913
01:46:43,760 --> 01:46:48,120
Speaker 1: it's hard to monkey with um glass, is uh? Or

1914
01:46:48,360 --> 01:46:50,160
Speaker 1: you know the crystal service, you just like dry that

1915
01:46:50,240 --> 01:46:52,640
Speaker 1: thing off, or if you have a waterproof striker or

1916
01:46:52,680 --> 01:46:54,400
Speaker 1: an all weather striker, you can just keep playing that

1917
01:46:54,479 --> 01:46:56,800
Speaker 1: thing right through. Yeah, so this little bit bulletproof, but

1918
01:46:56,880 --> 01:47:00,360
Speaker 1: the crystal's wet as long as you're strikers a waterproof striker,

1919
01:47:01,160 --> 01:47:03,879
Speaker 1: you see crystal with an aluminium like with an aluminium striker,

1920
01:47:04,520 --> 01:47:06,639
Speaker 1: that doesn't matter. I mean, it's all easy to dry.

1921
01:47:06,680 --> 01:47:08,920
Speaker 1: It's that issue. I messed this too. I've even taken

1922
01:47:08,960 --> 01:47:11,360
Speaker 1: like I've even held mine up just taking a lighter.

1923
01:47:11,920 --> 01:47:14,200
Speaker 1: I just flick the lighter on there, and I thinks

1924
01:47:14,200 --> 01:47:17,000
Speaker 1: back to brand new maybe yep, So you can you know,

1925
01:47:17,080 --> 01:47:19,439
Speaker 1: play that. And then, you know, preps a big thing.

1926
01:47:19,520 --> 01:47:21,840
Speaker 1: Like we're sending these calls out and non prepped it's like,

1927
01:47:21,920 --> 01:47:24,519
Speaker 1: well that's a huge part of you know, whatever way

1928
01:47:24,560 --> 01:47:26,200
Speaker 1: you scratch or prep the call, you want to run

1929
01:47:26,240 --> 01:47:28,360
Speaker 1: the striker in the opposite direction, you know, not with

1930
01:47:28,600 --> 01:47:31,639
Speaker 1: the scratches. And so inside these calls it was very important.

1931
01:47:31,640 --> 01:47:33,160
Speaker 1: I think you called me up and say, hey, we

1932
01:47:33,240 --> 01:47:35,880
Speaker 1: need some sort of instructions in here. And so now

1933
01:47:36,160 --> 01:47:38,000
Speaker 1: when we ship the calls, like we will give very

1934
01:47:38,080 --> 01:47:41,519
Speaker 1: detailed instructions about the approximate location. You know, if it's

1935
01:47:41,560 --> 01:47:44,880
Speaker 1: a crystal, you should take the you know, provided conditioning stone,

1936
01:47:44,920 --> 01:47:47,280
Speaker 1: if it's a slate, you know, use the you know,

1937
01:47:47,360 --> 01:47:51,519
Speaker 1: provided scouring pad um, and we give exact locations on

1938
01:47:51,880 --> 01:47:53,720
Speaker 1: on where to scratch the call up to get that

1939
01:47:53,800 --> 01:47:59,400
Speaker 1: good sound. Yeah, like meaning if you open like if

1940
01:47:59,439 --> 01:48:02,519
Speaker 1: you open up of these crystal calls and you take

1941
01:48:02,600 --> 01:48:05,680
Speaker 1: your striker and you're like it doesn't work, like it

1942
01:48:05,800 --> 01:48:10,840
Speaker 1: won't work. You have to create and a braided like

1943
01:48:11,120 --> 01:48:14,920
Speaker 1: sanded spot and people will kind of hunt around on there,

1944
01:48:15,040 --> 01:48:17,760
Speaker 1: and it's not It's never gonna be the same for

1945
01:48:17,800 --> 01:48:21,240
Speaker 1: two people, right like, because just everything about sort of

1946
01:48:21,360 --> 01:48:24,000
Speaker 1: how you hold your hands, you configuration, how you work

1947
01:48:24,040 --> 01:48:26,120
Speaker 1: the striker, it's never gonna be the same for two people.

1948
01:48:26,160 --> 01:48:29,160
Speaker 1: So you're gonna you might explore around and find a

1949
01:48:29,240 --> 01:48:34,400
Speaker 1: couple little different spots that you like, um to get

1950
01:48:34,439 --> 01:48:36,320
Speaker 1: the sounds you want. And then on top of that,

1951
01:48:36,640 --> 01:48:38,600
Speaker 1: you'll sort of learn what you can get away with

1952
01:48:38,680 --> 01:48:41,479
Speaker 1: in terms of how frequently you need to refresh it.

1953
01:48:42,240 --> 01:48:43,920
Speaker 1: But things you've got to figure out. Two is if

1954
01:48:43,920 --> 01:48:45,879
Speaker 1: you even if you have like if your hands are sweaty,

1955
01:48:46,760 --> 01:48:49,400
Speaker 1: if you got you know, just your natural oil skin

1956
01:48:49,479 --> 01:48:52,640
Speaker 1: oils on your fingers, you get that stuff on slate, man,

1957
01:48:52,720 --> 01:48:55,599
Speaker 1: it's like tough. Yeah, And so you kind of learned

1958
01:48:55,640 --> 01:48:57,240
Speaker 1: how to it's good just to learn how to do

1959
01:48:57,400 --> 01:48:59,640
Speaker 1: it because it's not like you prep it once. And

1960
01:48:59,640 --> 01:49:02,439
Speaker 1: then that if if you just you got this call

1961
01:49:02,479 --> 01:49:04,439
Speaker 1: and you open it's like, oh it's pretty prepped. There's

1962
01:49:04,479 --> 01:49:07,120
Speaker 1: still maintenance. Yep. When I sit down the woods in

1963
01:49:07,160 --> 01:49:09,320
Speaker 1: the morning. Man, before I do anything, I'll be sitting

1964
01:49:09,320 --> 01:49:11,720
Speaker 1: in the dark. Before I do anything, I'd go through

1965
01:49:11,760 --> 01:49:15,680
Speaker 1: my little conditioning ritual to make sure that thing is

1966
01:49:15,680 --> 01:49:18,200
Speaker 1: ready to start. Crank, get some noise on, and like

1967
01:49:18,320 --> 01:49:21,000
Speaker 1: before you make a sound, like you know, the striker tip,

1968
01:49:21,040 --> 01:49:23,519
Speaker 1: it'll eventually go up just from running through some of that.

1969
01:49:23,600 --> 01:49:24,760
Speaker 1: You know, you try to clean it off, but it's

1970
01:49:24,760 --> 01:49:27,000
Speaker 1: like you know, you scratching your scou scour pad just

1971
01:49:27,080 --> 01:49:28,960
Speaker 1: to make sure that things ready to go. So you

1972
01:49:29,000 --> 01:49:31,360
Speaker 1: don't you know, slide as you mentioned earlier, when the

1973
01:49:31,560 --> 01:49:33,800
Speaker 1: call is not conditioned. If that once that striker doesn't

1974
01:49:33,800 --> 01:49:35,719
Speaker 1: have any bite anymore either, you'll just kind of slide

1975
01:49:35,720 --> 01:49:37,840
Speaker 1: across the call and it it won't produce sounds. So

1976
01:49:37,880 --> 01:49:39,960
Speaker 1: there's we provide all of that with these calls so

1977
01:49:40,000 --> 01:49:42,280
Speaker 1: that they can be conditioned. Instructions and make sure that

1978
01:49:42,360 --> 01:49:43,920
Speaker 1: you know the call war were one right, Yeah, you

1979
01:49:44,000 --> 01:49:47,479
Speaker 1: get like slommy grease on the end of that strikes done. Yeah.

1980
01:49:49,040 --> 01:49:51,040
Speaker 1: I don't understand when my kids take one or run

1981
01:49:51,080 --> 01:49:54,040
Speaker 1: around the house for an hour, it never works. I

1982
01:49:54,080 --> 01:49:55,880
Speaker 1: think it's just I think it's just a greasy little

1983
01:49:55,960 --> 01:49:58,000
Speaker 1: hands that they're done for like, but yeah, you gotta

1984
01:49:58,040 --> 01:49:59,839
Speaker 1: take like a mill off the end of that striker

1985
01:49:59,880 --> 01:50:01,200
Speaker 1: to get it back to life. I think they got

1986
01:50:01,280 --> 01:50:02,880
Speaker 1: it up their nose and stuff. I don't know what

1987
01:50:03,000 --> 01:50:04,679
Speaker 1: they do to them and they make them that work.

1988
01:50:05,200 --> 01:50:08,280
Speaker 1: So yeah, the conditioning thing, and like the crystal call, man,

1989
01:50:08,320 --> 01:50:10,200
Speaker 1: it's got like it's it's beautiful. It's got like the

1990
01:50:10,760 --> 01:50:16,759
Speaker 1: sound board has a design. Um, it's like it's collateral damage.

1991
01:50:16,800 --> 01:50:20,000
Speaker 1: I mean, you're gonna obscure the crystal and obscure the

1992
01:50:20,120 --> 01:50:22,560
Speaker 1: thing when you start monkeying with getting your thing. The

1993
01:50:22,720 --> 01:50:26,400
Speaker 1: slate is way different and that the same thing you

1994
01:50:26,479 --> 01:50:29,680
Speaker 1: used to wash your dishes. But you still gotta you

1995
01:50:29,800 --> 01:50:32,920
Speaker 1: still gotta take care of the surface. Yeah. But one thing,

1996
01:50:33,000 --> 01:50:36,040
Speaker 1: I mean, these specific calls, like we laser etch the slate,

1997
01:50:36,240 --> 01:50:39,400
Speaker 1: like they're gonna they're gonna get damaged in the in

1998
01:50:39,479 --> 01:50:41,800
Speaker 1: the prep of this call, no matter what you do. Um,

1999
01:50:41,880 --> 01:50:44,280
Speaker 1: So don't you know, just just scratch over the top

2000
01:50:44,360 --> 01:50:46,719
Speaker 1: of the meat eater phelps name or across the bird

2001
01:50:47,080 --> 01:50:49,080
Speaker 1: um to get that prepped. Um. You know it's not

2002
01:50:49,200 --> 01:50:53,479
Speaker 1: meant to last forever for me personally. Um, in my

2003
01:50:53,720 --> 01:50:57,920
Speaker 1: kind of calling, you know, wanting to learn how to

2004
01:50:58,040 --> 01:51:01,519
Speaker 1: like kill turkey's good, I wind up having I think

2005
01:51:01,560 --> 01:51:08,160
Speaker 1: in terms of labor versus output, practice versus output. I

2006
01:51:08,240 --> 01:51:14,080
Speaker 1: had the greatest advances learning how on pot calls, where, um,

2007
01:51:14,640 --> 01:51:18,479
Speaker 1: you know a box call, they're great, there's like very

2008
01:51:18,520 --> 01:51:21,920
Speaker 1: good turkey hunters just use box calls, right, But they're

2009
01:51:22,520 --> 01:51:26,479
Speaker 1: they're they're loud, which is one of the big selling points.

2010
01:51:26,560 --> 01:51:29,960
Speaker 1: Like vlue. You know, they have a high volume. Um,

2011
01:51:30,800 --> 01:51:33,400
Speaker 1: and some people can get a lot of some people

2012
01:51:33,439 --> 01:51:37,639
Speaker 1: can get developed quite a vocabulary with it, but anyone

2013
01:51:37,760 --> 01:51:40,920
Speaker 1: could pick one up and start making like a loud yelp.

2014
01:51:41,280 --> 01:51:44,480
Speaker 1: Not anyone. Most people learning the rest of the vocabulary

2015
01:51:44,840 --> 01:51:46,720
Speaker 1: is a little harder, and learning how to do just

2016
01:51:46,840 --> 01:51:49,960
Speaker 1: subtle sounds like you know, you got a bird hung

2017
01:51:50,080 --> 01:51:53,320
Speaker 1: up at fifty yards and you can't see them good,

2018
01:51:53,600 --> 01:51:55,719
Speaker 1: and you're sort of trying to make something happen before

2019
01:51:55,800 --> 01:51:58,200
Speaker 1: something goes wrong. It might not be the best bet

2020
01:51:58,360 --> 01:52:01,719
Speaker 1: just to be like, yeah, you're just kind of telling

2021
01:52:01,800 --> 01:52:04,760
Speaker 1: it you're here, right and trying to keep it around. UM.

2022
01:52:06,320 --> 01:52:08,360
Speaker 1: I think that in the time I spent massing with it,

2023
01:52:08,880 --> 01:52:11,400
Speaker 1: I was more quickly. I was more able to learn

2024
01:52:11,439 --> 01:52:14,360
Speaker 1: how to do the basic calls like here's a yelp,

2025
01:52:15,280 --> 01:52:19,479
Speaker 1: here's a clock right, here's a purr on that on

2026
01:52:19,640 --> 01:52:23,280
Speaker 1: that medium, over other things. And then I in my mind,

2027
01:52:23,360 --> 01:52:27,439
Speaker 1: for me like the real master, like the thing that's

2028
01:52:27,479 --> 01:52:30,680
Speaker 1: like the most alluring because you learn how the mouth call,

2029
01:52:31,720 --> 01:52:36,000
Speaker 1: and you could do the entire vocabulary and never move

2030
01:52:36,080 --> 01:52:38,280
Speaker 1: your hand. But that's like the kind of thing you

2031
01:52:38,360 --> 01:52:41,000
Speaker 1: got to dedicate yourself to. Yeah, you know where the

2032
01:52:41,040 --> 01:52:42,640
Speaker 1: pot call, as you mentioned, you can pick that up

2033
01:52:42,680 --> 01:52:44,760
Speaker 1: and I think anybody can run it within about five

2034
01:52:44,800 --> 01:52:46,800
Speaker 1: minutes of an instructions or at least starting to sound

2035
01:52:46,840 --> 01:52:49,400
Speaker 1: like a turkey like the mouth call takes some some dedication. No,

2036
01:52:49,520 --> 01:52:51,000
Speaker 1: you gotta be like, you know what, man, I'm gonna

2037
01:52:51,120 --> 01:52:55,559
Speaker 1: spend years like I don't mind, I'm gonna drive around

2038
01:52:55,600 --> 01:52:57,240
Speaker 1: in my car, drive around in my truck, and I'm

2039
01:52:57,240 --> 01:52:58,760
Speaker 1: gonna learn how to do this, and then when you

2040
01:52:58,840 --> 01:53:02,320
Speaker 1: get there, you're there. Yea, you know, but it's a

2041
01:53:02,400 --> 01:53:05,240
Speaker 1: journey to learn how I mean. And and you know

2042
01:53:05,320 --> 01:53:07,479
Speaker 1: the crazy thing is that's being guys and turkey call

2043
01:53:07,560 --> 01:53:09,200
Speaker 1: guys like I don't know what it is, and I

2044
01:53:09,240 --> 01:53:11,080
Speaker 1: wish I could figure out what it is, but we

2045
01:53:11,160 --> 01:53:13,200
Speaker 1: get got hey, I can run this out call, but

2046
01:53:13,200 --> 01:53:14,720
Speaker 1: I can't run a tricky Callor hey, I can run

2047
01:53:14,760 --> 01:53:16,320
Speaker 1: the tricky calls, but I can't run your out calls.

2048
01:53:16,360 --> 01:53:19,759
Speaker 1: And it's like, you know, but ultimately, as you alluded

2049
01:53:19,760 --> 01:53:22,840
Speaker 1: to a little bit earlier, is you know, these calls.

2050
01:53:22,960 --> 01:53:24,800
Speaker 1: We wanted design calls that were easy to use, but

2051
01:53:24,840 --> 01:53:27,080
Speaker 1: then also calls at the very experienced caller would be

2052
01:53:27,160 --> 01:53:29,160
Speaker 1: you know, happy to use. And so it's it's tough

2053
01:53:29,240 --> 01:53:31,000
Speaker 1: to kind of strike that, you know, and we develop

2054
01:53:31,040 --> 01:53:34,080
Speaker 1: it through materials, through the cuts, um, all of that.

2055
01:53:34,240 --> 01:53:38,000
Speaker 1: And so ultimately we brought out four Turkey calls. They

2056
01:53:38,040 --> 01:53:40,320
Speaker 1: come into three pack, which is yours, which is a

2057
01:53:40,439 --> 01:53:43,280
Speaker 1: Jake Break Steve, Steve and Ella Jake break. Love that

2058
01:53:43,400 --> 01:53:46,479
Speaker 1: term Jake break yep. Um, we've got love them, Jakes,

2059
01:53:48,479 --> 01:53:50,519
Speaker 1: We've got you. This is which Jakes have saved a

2060
01:53:50,560 --> 01:53:54,640
Speaker 1: lot of Turkey hunts. Man. They eat the same two,

2061
01:53:54,680 --> 01:53:56,760
Speaker 1: don't they. Yeah. And my kids this year, like he's

2062
01:53:56,800 --> 01:53:59,400
Speaker 1: you know, he had his first Turkey season last year,

2063
01:53:59,680 --> 01:54:03,479
Speaker 1: and um, I he'll be this will be a second

2064
01:54:03,479 --> 01:54:05,960
Speaker 1: Turkey season depending on where I go. My daughter will

2065
01:54:05,960 --> 01:54:09,760
Speaker 1: have her first Turkey season this year. And uh, you know,

2066
01:54:10,000 --> 01:54:13,160
Speaker 1: I know that the jake's out there will hopefully help

2067
01:54:13,240 --> 01:54:18,280
Speaker 1: them get over that initial hump. Yeah, no, jake's are fun.

2068
01:54:18,400 --> 01:54:20,439
Speaker 1: I haven't introduced to them the idea that it's not

2069
01:54:20,680 --> 01:54:25,360
Speaker 1: the perfect turkey that'll be they'll be happy with the jake. Uh.

2070
01:54:25,800 --> 01:54:28,800
Speaker 1: And then so Jannice is lat via ego. It's the

2071
01:54:28,840 --> 01:54:31,639
Speaker 1: heaviest call in the group. Um, he used a little

2072
01:54:31,680 --> 01:54:34,880
Speaker 1: thicker latex. Explain that. So what you get with the

2073
01:54:34,920 --> 01:54:38,280
Speaker 1: heavier latex is a little more volume, a little more

2074
01:54:38,320 --> 01:54:41,080
Speaker 1: long distance calling, a little heavier cutting. And then just

2075
01:54:41,160 --> 01:54:43,680
Speaker 1: by adding um, heavier latex, you also get a little

2076
01:54:43,680 --> 01:54:47,400
Speaker 1: bit deeper turkey. You know, an older boss hand. Um sound,

2077
01:54:47,480 --> 01:54:49,600
Speaker 1: it's a it's we need more air, a little more air.

2078
01:54:49,680 --> 01:54:52,120
Speaker 1: It's not gonna light up, you know, as you mentioned earlier,

2079
01:54:52,160 --> 01:54:53,560
Speaker 1: like if you want to do a little soft purr,

2080
01:54:54,040 --> 01:54:55,800
Speaker 1: it might you know, that perr might be mid the

2081
01:54:55,880 --> 01:54:59,080
Speaker 1: loud volume by time you get it to to fire off.

2082
01:54:59,160 --> 01:55:01,640
Speaker 1: Where you know, like with your call or the meater's

2083
01:55:01,720 --> 01:55:03,400
Speaker 1: choice or the easy cluck, or you could do really

2084
01:55:03,480 --> 01:55:06,160
Speaker 1: subtle light clucks. You can still do it. A good

2085
01:55:06,240 --> 01:55:08,040
Speaker 1: color can still do it on your honest's call. It's

2086
01:55:08,080 --> 01:55:10,520
Speaker 1: just gonna be it's almost to that box, like if

2087
01:55:10,560 --> 01:55:13,000
Speaker 1: you want to reach the Turkey three canyons over, Like

2088
01:55:13,120 --> 01:55:14,920
Speaker 1: you can yelp on that thing and get that volume

2089
01:55:14,960 --> 01:55:17,240
Speaker 1: out of it. But you find that people can generally

2090
01:55:17,440 --> 01:55:21,800
Speaker 1: learn easier on the lighter latex typically. Um, it's just

2091
01:55:21,880 --> 01:55:25,200
Speaker 1: they get sound and so they they're they're maybe not frustrated.

2092
01:55:25,480 --> 01:55:28,120
Speaker 1: Now that doesn't necessarily mean learning. Like you might have

2093
01:55:28,280 --> 01:55:29,960
Speaker 1: just a heavy mouth guy that just wants to put

2094
01:55:30,000 --> 01:55:31,480
Speaker 1: all the air and as lung as the the call,

2095
01:55:31,800 --> 01:55:33,560
Speaker 1: and so even though he's not an experienced caller, he

2096
01:55:33,600 --> 01:55:35,880
Speaker 1: may preferrer honest is over. And that's where it's like

2097
01:55:35,920 --> 01:55:38,360
Speaker 1: it's all over the board, like trying to find you know,

2098
01:55:38,560 --> 01:55:41,320
Speaker 1: we get there the email, Hey I'm a new hunter.

2099
01:55:41,440 --> 01:55:44,320
Speaker 1: What should I use? And it's like I'd like to

2100
01:55:44,360 --> 01:55:46,080
Speaker 1: put you in this for eight, but you might be

2101
01:55:46,240 --> 01:55:49,000
Speaker 1: the complete opposite and want something else. That's why it

2102
01:55:49,040 --> 01:55:51,040
Speaker 1: gets good to have, you know, to get a handful

2103
01:55:51,040 --> 01:55:53,520
Speaker 1: of at once and just start messing with them. Yeah

2104
01:55:53,840 --> 01:55:55,880
Speaker 1: U so yeah, he has got a cutter's cut on it.

2105
01:55:56,160 --> 01:56:00,800
Speaker 1: Um really really raspy. Um. I like that call. And

2106
01:56:00,960 --> 01:56:04,960
Speaker 1: then the latex should also withstand that heavier calling yeah,

2107
01:56:04,960 --> 01:56:06,920
Speaker 1: a little bit longer before it kind of plays out.

2108
01:56:07,040 --> 01:56:09,560
Speaker 1: It's a little more durable UM where you know Steve,

2109
01:56:10,000 --> 01:56:13,120
Speaker 1: Steve's call UM has a lighter piece of latex on

2110
01:56:13,240 --> 01:56:15,600
Speaker 1: top with what we consider a combo cut with some

2111
01:56:15,720 --> 01:56:18,040
Speaker 1: proof as you're playing read, so it's a little lighter,

2112
01:56:18,120 --> 01:56:21,040
Speaker 1: but it achieves that higher pitch easier, UM without putting

2113
01:56:21,040 --> 01:56:23,720
Speaker 1: a bunch of air to it. UM. And then the

2114
01:56:23,800 --> 01:56:26,640
Speaker 1: meter's choice once again, we're using prof as the backing read,

2115
01:56:26,680 --> 01:56:29,920
Speaker 1: the playing read, and then we've got um. It's kind

2116
01:56:29,920 --> 01:56:32,080
Speaker 1: of a modified bat wing is what we're calling it

2117
01:56:34,800 --> 01:56:37,560
Speaker 1: something UM so really easy that and then we still

2118
01:56:37,600 --> 01:56:40,760
Speaker 1: get that rasp out of it. And then the single

2119
01:56:40,840 --> 01:56:43,400
Speaker 1: call by itself is is easy clucker where we put

2120
01:56:43,440 --> 01:56:46,320
Speaker 1: a ghost cut in it and uh, really really easy

2121
01:56:46,360 --> 01:56:48,240
Speaker 1: to use, easy to get your kiki runs out of

2122
01:56:48,280 --> 01:56:51,120
Speaker 1: and stuff your immature turkeys. Um. But it's typically the

2123
01:56:51,200 --> 01:56:55,440
Speaker 1: most easy for a new caller to run uh dirt.

2124
01:56:56,680 --> 01:56:59,040
Speaker 1: I didn't know, like you don't even strike me as this,

2125
01:56:59,160 --> 01:57:01,920
Speaker 1: but um current had it down that you were a

2126
01:57:02,160 --> 01:57:05,040
Speaker 1: saxophone player. Not a lot of people know that about me.

2127
01:57:05,280 --> 01:57:08,880
Speaker 1: It's like you're Chevy Chase of Bill Clinton Man Bill Clinton,

2128
01:57:10,800 --> 01:57:14,520
Speaker 1: Hey my saxophone. Let me show you something. Yeah, growing

2129
01:57:14,560 --> 01:57:16,520
Speaker 1: up in a little town of Weipe, I was in

2130
01:57:16,600 --> 01:57:19,240
Speaker 1: the band from junior high school through my sophomore year,

2131
01:57:19,240 --> 01:57:21,840
Speaker 1: and I sold my sacks and about a three thirty

2132
01:57:21,880 --> 01:57:25,919
Speaker 1: eight wind meg. Does uh that be a read instrument

2133
01:57:26,440 --> 01:57:31,240
Speaker 1: and a diaphragm call being like a read? Um? Right? Yeah?

2134
01:57:31,440 --> 01:57:33,400
Speaker 1: Like we're like, oh, this is easy. I used to

2135
01:57:33,400 --> 01:57:37,400
Speaker 1: play saxophone. Um, it's different. Yeah, but it's there's some

2136
01:57:37,880 --> 01:57:42,040
Speaker 1: some weird nuances between diaphragms and and saxophone reads. Uh,

2137
01:57:42,440 --> 01:57:46,440
Speaker 1: quality construction. Like if you buy the cheap sax reads,

2138
01:57:47,000 --> 01:57:48,760
Speaker 1: they don't seem to work as good. You just can't

2139
01:57:48,840 --> 01:57:53,440
Speaker 1: get the sweet sweet tones and melodies and something you know,

2140
01:57:53,720 --> 01:57:56,000
Speaker 1: brand X brand whatever. A lot of guys will kind

2141
01:57:56,000 --> 01:57:58,120
Speaker 1: of pick up a diaphragm and be like, ah, first

2142
01:57:58,200 --> 01:58:00,880
Speaker 1: time in their mouth, doesn't sound good. I can't do it.

2143
01:58:01,680 --> 01:58:04,880
Speaker 1: But experimenting a little bit, you you find that not

2144
01:58:05,000 --> 01:58:08,120
Speaker 1: all diaphragms are built the same. Same with saxophone reads.

2145
01:58:08,560 --> 01:58:10,000
Speaker 1: One of my buddies would lend me a read here,

2146
01:58:10,040 --> 01:58:11,720
Speaker 1: try one of these. You'd have a really nice Rico

2147
01:58:11,880 --> 01:58:13,880
Speaker 1: read or something, and I'd throw that baby in and

2148
01:58:13,920 --> 01:58:16,280
Speaker 1: I was like, Wow, all of a sudden just got

2149
01:58:16,360 --> 01:58:19,160
Speaker 1: way better. Yeah. So I kind of feel the same

2150
01:58:19,240 --> 01:58:22,880
Speaker 1: thing about diaphragms, whether it's Turkey calls, elk calls, Like

2151
01:58:23,320 --> 01:58:26,880
Speaker 1: there's a quality issue, not all not all created equals. Yeah,

2152
01:58:26,920 --> 01:58:29,560
Speaker 1: some of them, like those sacks reads would absorb water

2153
01:58:29,640 --> 01:58:32,160
Speaker 1: really fast and then they just kind of fall apart.

2154
01:58:32,240 --> 01:58:34,000
Speaker 1: So I don't know if they're making them out of

2155
01:58:34,040 --> 01:58:37,960
Speaker 1: cheap bamboo or or what, but there's definitely a difference.

2156
01:58:38,120 --> 01:58:40,960
Speaker 1: Do you play anymore? I haven't played one since sophomore

2157
01:58:41,000 --> 01:58:43,280
Speaker 1: in high school. I bet I could probably still play

2158
01:58:43,360 --> 01:58:45,840
Speaker 1: one if I had one in front of me. Um,

2159
01:58:46,680 --> 01:58:48,240
Speaker 1: how long does it take to put when you guys

2160
01:58:48,280 --> 01:58:50,360
Speaker 1: decided making new call holls, how long does it actually

2161
01:58:50,400 --> 01:58:52,680
Speaker 1: take to get it right before you can start selling

2162
01:58:52,720 --> 01:58:56,000
Speaker 1: it to people? It just really depends, um, you know,

2163
01:58:56,040 --> 01:58:58,040
Speaker 1: whether it's a box calls or a little more finicky.

2164
01:58:58,560 --> 01:59:00,160
Speaker 1: You know. So if we're gonna bring a new ballox

2165
01:59:00,200 --> 01:59:02,680
Speaker 1: call out, and and this is where I don't know

2166
01:59:02,720 --> 01:59:04,440
Speaker 1: if we want to talk production versus like if I

2167
01:59:04,520 --> 01:59:07,360
Speaker 1: was to build one is way different. Um, Like my

2168
01:59:07,520 --> 01:59:11,480
Speaker 1: whole thought process, the whole machining process, Like I used

2169
01:59:11,520 --> 01:59:13,440
Speaker 1: to build box calls and pot calls out my shop,

2170
01:59:13,520 --> 01:59:15,760
Speaker 1: Like I would chuck, you know, the back of ours

2171
01:59:15,800 --> 01:59:17,480
Speaker 1: don't have a hole in the center. I would drill

2172
01:59:17,520 --> 01:59:19,120
Speaker 1: a hole through any piece of walnut, spent it down

2173
01:59:19,160 --> 01:59:21,840
Speaker 1: to a circle, you know, build the shape. And I

2174
01:59:22,320 --> 01:59:24,120
Speaker 1: sold lots of pot calls back in the day. I

2175
01:59:24,160 --> 01:59:25,960
Speaker 1: built a couple of boxes where I would you know,

2176
01:59:26,120 --> 01:59:29,600
Speaker 1: hand chisel out the sides and sand everything down. Yeah,

2177
01:59:29,720 --> 01:59:32,800
Speaker 1: and so I had built box calls. But getting your

2178
01:59:32,920 --> 01:59:36,880
Speaker 1: mind right to build five hundred a thousand, two thousand

2179
01:59:37,320 --> 01:59:39,600
Speaker 1: is a completely different animal. Like you need to be

2180
01:59:39,680 --> 01:59:41,360
Speaker 1: on the conservative side so that when you do get

2181
01:59:41,400 --> 01:59:45,160
Speaker 1: that weird piece of wood. Um. So like, for instance,

2182
01:59:45,200 --> 01:59:48,280
Speaker 1: the walnut we bought is a lot more of a

2183
01:59:48,320 --> 01:59:50,280
Speaker 1: pain in my ass than the purple heart. The purple

2184
01:59:50,280 --> 01:59:52,520
Speaker 1: hearts all straight as an arrow, everything's perfect where the

2185
01:59:52,520 --> 01:59:54,040
Speaker 1: wall and that was kind of all over the place,

2186
01:59:54,120 --> 01:59:56,080
Speaker 1: and so you're like, you know, you had to mess

2187
01:59:56,120 --> 01:59:58,120
Speaker 1: with it or each one had to be tuned. Um.

2188
01:59:58,480 --> 02:00:00,040
Speaker 1: You know, in the future, I think we will I

2189
02:00:00,520 --> 02:00:03,000
Speaker 1: more select grade of lumbers so we're not dealing with

2190
02:00:03,120 --> 02:00:06,360
Speaker 1: knots and issues, especially when it comes to calls. You know,

2191
02:00:06,440 --> 02:00:08,000
Speaker 1: some of these calls are beautiful because they do have

2192
02:00:08,080 --> 02:00:11,680
Speaker 1: a swirl here there. Um. But for for um, you know,

2193
02:00:12,440 --> 02:00:15,520
Speaker 1: music instruments, Um, we should probably stick to the But

2194
02:00:15,640 --> 02:00:18,440
Speaker 1: I would say, now with with everything we we know, um,

2195
02:00:18,520 --> 02:00:21,360
Speaker 1: the designs we've got, um, you know, if we were

2196
02:00:21,400 --> 02:00:23,120
Speaker 1: to do something new, would probably you know, a month

2197
02:00:23,240 --> 02:00:25,440
Speaker 1: or two, get the materials, make some changes and get

2198
02:00:25,520 --> 02:00:28,040
Speaker 1: something out Um these I'll tell you. I want to

2199
02:00:28,040 --> 02:00:30,120
Speaker 1: tell you why I'm asking, But now you're making seems

2200
02:00:30,120 --> 02:00:32,240
Speaker 1: like it's not a good idea. I want to do

2201
02:00:32,320 --> 02:00:35,760
Speaker 1: a thing where we find a tree that we really like,

2202
02:00:37,320 --> 02:00:42,200
Speaker 1: shop that tree down right, and then go through take

2203
02:00:42,240 --> 02:00:46,640
Speaker 1: people through the whole process, remill it, dry it right,

2204
02:00:48,240 --> 02:00:52,200
Speaker 1: and then out of that will come box calls. All right,

2205
02:00:52,240 --> 02:00:53,720
Speaker 1: we could do that, no problem, and you could get

2206
02:00:53,720 --> 02:00:56,360
Speaker 1: a box call that you've watched it from the tree

2207
02:00:56,480 --> 02:00:59,160
Speaker 1: to the call. Yep, I think we do a series

2208
02:00:59,200 --> 02:01:01,040
Speaker 1: of calls that comes one tree. How many would we

2209
02:01:01,080 --> 02:01:03,560
Speaker 1: get off one tree, a black walnut, if it's old enough,

2210
02:01:03,600 --> 02:01:06,280
Speaker 1: A lot, uh, a lot of you could do. You

2211
02:01:06,280 --> 02:01:08,560
Speaker 1: could do this whole production round out of one big

2212
02:01:08,600 --> 02:01:13,640
Speaker 1: black walnut, just the place I think we have in Seth.

2213
02:01:13,680 --> 02:01:15,080
Speaker 1: You said he would be able to grade because he

2214
02:01:15,160 --> 02:01:18,280
Speaker 1: was trained up in forestry. Do you know that? So

2215
02:01:18,360 --> 02:01:21,320
Speaker 1: I want structural selector bat Well, that's the money tree

2216
02:01:22,320 --> 02:01:26,400
Speaker 1: usually high value. But it's like to tell the guy

2217
02:01:26,480 --> 02:01:31,480
Speaker 1: that we're getting it triple triple stumpage. That would be

2218
02:01:31,960 --> 02:01:35,800
Speaker 1: timber timber trespass. Uh Seth worked on a thing one

2219
02:01:35,880 --> 02:01:41,200
Speaker 1: time to where stolen trees explained this stuth. Yeah, we

2220
02:01:41,480 --> 02:01:43,200
Speaker 1: when we were when I was in college, we had

2221
02:01:43,240 --> 02:01:45,960
Speaker 1: a we did like this. It was I forget what

2222
02:01:46,080 --> 02:01:48,720
Speaker 1: class was in, but we had a lab where we like,

2223
02:01:50,040 --> 02:01:53,720
Speaker 1: there was a timber it was an actual timber trespass. Um,

2224
02:01:53,920 --> 02:01:57,760
Speaker 1: but we like mimic the timber trestpass where someone like

2225
02:01:57,840 --> 02:02:00,440
Speaker 1: a logger had gone on to the neighboring property and

2226
02:02:00,440 --> 02:02:02,800
Speaker 1: cut a bunch of trees and then you have to

2227
02:02:02,880 --> 02:02:07,720
Speaker 1: go in and like measure indentations in the soil when

2228
02:02:07,760 --> 02:02:09,640
Speaker 1: the tree was dropped and just trying to figure out

2229
02:02:09,680 --> 02:02:15,280
Speaker 1: how much volume was taking. Yeah, it's like, um, um,

2230
02:02:15,440 --> 02:02:19,080
Speaker 1: what's that word I'm looking for? Damn it. It's like

2231
02:02:19,160 --> 02:02:26,880
Speaker 1: a word about crime forensic. That's the world yea, and

2232
02:02:27,000 --> 02:02:32,640
Speaker 1: write a book about that. If you're hearing this, you

2233
02:02:32,680 --> 02:02:34,920
Speaker 1: can go to the meat eat the meat eater dot

2234
02:02:35,000 --> 02:02:38,240
Speaker 1: com slash Phelps all right, and you'll see all of

2235
02:02:38,320 --> 02:02:40,440
Speaker 1: what we're talking about, and we have videos about them

2236
02:02:40,440 --> 02:02:44,320
Speaker 1: all Um, you can we show them the materials are made,

2237
02:02:44,960 --> 02:02:47,800
Speaker 1: how they're used. We have videos of us using them,

2238
02:02:47,920 --> 02:02:51,400
Speaker 1: like the whole thing is explained out. But then they

2239
02:02:51,480 --> 02:02:55,080
Speaker 1: go on sale March four. If you want to find

2240
02:02:55,120 --> 02:02:57,720
Speaker 1: out about Jason and Dirt Durham, here you can go

2241
02:02:57,840 --> 02:02:59,440
Speaker 1: find those guys that Phelps dot com andever the hell

2242
02:02:59,480 --> 02:03:02,080
Speaker 1: you want. Can I give a shameless plug? Please don't

2243
02:03:02,200 --> 02:03:04,960
Speaker 1: add the Maverick to your cart. I'm trying not to

2244
02:03:05,120 --> 02:03:07,600
Speaker 1: get beat by Dirk's personal call. So add that pink

2245
02:03:07,680 --> 02:03:11,800
Speaker 1: signature called your cart whilere there buying your mercy purchases

2246
02:03:11,840 --> 02:03:14,240
Speaker 1: for you Jason. So, yeah, you guys have a run.

2247
02:03:14,280 --> 02:03:18,480
Speaker 1: Who's actually winning this? Uh we're not gonna the results

2248
02:03:18,520 --> 02:03:21,240
Speaker 1: are still out. Yeah, yeah, we're not going to talk

2249
02:03:21,280 --> 02:03:23,680
Speaker 1: about this short term battle that we're in. Well do

2250
02:03:23,760 --> 02:03:28,120
Speaker 1: you give because I know you guys have like your

2251
02:03:28,160 --> 02:03:31,480
Speaker 1: own allies, like people who follow your own like signature

2252
02:03:31,520 --> 02:03:33,920
Speaker 1: elk calls, But can't you just give better treatment of

2253
02:03:34,000 --> 02:03:36,000
Speaker 1: it on the website because you have control that Yeah,

2254
02:03:36,040 --> 02:03:38,760
Speaker 1: I'm gonna start like kicking in a lot of pink sales, um,

2255
02:03:39,720 --> 02:03:41,600
Speaker 1: cranking the price up on them. We're going to control

2256
02:03:41,680 --> 02:03:45,840
Speaker 1: it in your color is pink? Oh yeah yeah. And

2257
02:03:46,000 --> 02:03:47,520
Speaker 1: you see a new black. If you see a guy

2258
02:03:47,600 --> 02:03:50,720
Speaker 1: open his mouth and it's a what color, Dirk red,

2259
02:03:52,600 --> 02:03:57,920
Speaker 1: I know he's been Dirk's mouth. Yeah. Alright, So again,

2260
02:03:58,080 --> 02:04:00,320
Speaker 1: go to check all this out because this is this

2261
02:04:00,400 --> 02:04:03,720
Speaker 1: is interesting. It's been a really interesting process. We're super

2262
02:04:03,760 --> 02:04:06,360
Speaker 1: proud of it. Go to the meat eater dot com

2263
02:04:06,440 --> 02:04:09,560
Speaker 1: slash phelps and like I said, there's a Smorgas board,

2264
02:04:09,800 --> 02:04:17,280
Speaker 1: a smorge board of salient facts, a smorgus board of

2265
02:04:17,360 --> 02:04:21,840
Speaker 1: videos about the calls. Um. You know it's funny when

2266
02:04:21,840 --> 02:04:24,000
Speaker 1: we're filming those. I was getting I had a gobbler ripping.

2267
02:04:24,360 --> 02:04:27,800
Speaker 1: Did you really in a place where there are no gobblers?

2268
02:04:28,520 --> 02:04:32,000
Speaker 1: Well they're there a little bit. That's how good there

2269
02:04:32,080 --> 02:04:35,400
Speaker 1: you trying to point in the right direction and then

2270
02:04:37,760 --> 02:04:41,240
Speaker 1: that way later that evening when you guys wrapped probably

2271
02:04:41,440 --> 02:04:45,320
Speaker 1: all the no, there's a yeah, we had a gobbler ripping.

2272
02:04:45,320 --> 02:04:48,440
Speaker 1: Those fun middle the damn winter. Um. All right, go

2273
02:04:48,600 --> 02:04:51,400
Speaker 1: there and check it out. March four, go buy something

2274
02:04:52,200 --> 02:04:56,520
Speaker 1: has some fun to Spring. Thank you guys, welcome aboard,

2275
02:04:56,800 --> 02:05:00,160
Speaker 1: Thanks for having us. Thanks Jason Phelps Dirk during him

2276
02:05:01,160 --> 02:05:06,440
Speaker 1: famous saxophonist turned Turkey collar just say your saxophone is

2277
02:05:06,480 --> 02:05:11,960
Speaker 1: in some pawn shop right now. It is definitely alright, guys.

2278
02:05:12,000 --> 02:05:12,440
Speaker 1: Thanks a lot,