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Speaker 1: Welcome to Good Game with Sarah Spain, where we're putting

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Speaker 1: on EyeBlack and finding a good recipe for seven layer dip.

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Speaker 1: Because the NFL season is here. On today's show, we've

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Speaker 1: got a very special group chat with some truly badass,

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Speaker 1: truly game changing women. And because I'm still sipping honey

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Speaker 1: deuces at the US Open, We're gonna skip all the

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Speaker 1: get you all caught up on the latest headlines tomorrow,

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Speaker 1: but for now, something a little different. I talked to

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Speaker 1: Tennessee Titans defensive quality control coach Lori Locus and Chicago

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Speaker 1: Bears offensive assistant Jennifer King. The Tennessee Titans and the

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Speaker 1: Chicago Bears aren't those NFL teams, you ask, well, dear slices, Yes,

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Speaker 1: yes they are. The NFL season kicks off tonight and

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Speaker 1: there's a full slate of games on Sunday. And while

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Speaker 1: we know there aren't any women players in the NFL, yet,

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Speaker 1: there are tons of women and girls playing tackle football

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Speaker 1: the game than ever before. So even though this is

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Speaker 1: a women's sports show, we thought this was worth bringing

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Speaker 1: also because the game is changing. For years, when NFL

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Speaker 1: and college football coaches were asked why there weren't any

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Speaker 1: women on staff, the same excuses were always coming up.

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Speaker 1: Women aren't interested, women don't want these jobs, women don't

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Speaker 1: like football. Even if you wanted to hire a woman,

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Speaker 1: how'd you find one that's qualified. Enter Sam Rappaport, my queen.

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Speaker 1: She had answers to all of those questions. She's the

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Speaker 1: secret sauce behind the leap from one woman breaking barriers

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Speaker 1: as an interned linebackers coach in twenty fifteen to now

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Speaker 1: this year. It's a new league record and the most

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Speaker 1: twenty seventeen, Sam Rapaport launched the Women's Careers in Football Form,

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Speaker 1: which helps connect women working in football, usually at the

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Speaker 1: As the NFL Senior Director of Diversity, Equity and Inclusions,

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Speaker 1: Sam knew that the forum would put qualified women ready

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Speaker 1: and it's worked. She created the pipeline that women needed

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Speaker 1: Laurie attended the inaugural event in twenty seventeen and then

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Speaker 1: and the rest, as they say, is history. On Sunday,

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Speaker 1: Laurie and Jen's teams open up the season against each other,

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Speaker 1: in addition to them talking about being pioneering badasses, we

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Speaker 1: talk too. The whole conversation's coming up right after this.

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Speaker 1: It's time for another group chat where we take the

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Speaker 1: Joining us now, she's a Super Bowl champion, now a

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Speaker 1: the Semi Pro Central PA Vipers. She got permission from

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Speaker 1: up song, It's Lori Locus. What's up? Coach Low?

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Speaker 2: Hey Sarah, how are you? Nice to see you again?

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Speaker 2: You too?

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Speaker 1: Joining her, We've got an offensive assistant for my Chicago Bears,

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Speaker 1: it's Jennifer King. What's up?

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Speaker 2: Jennifer?

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Speaker 3: Oh God? How are you? I mean?

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Speaker 1: How did you get into playing, Jennifer.

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Speaker 4: Grew up in a little small football town, and when

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you were just sold. Laura. You were a little

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I had always been a fan of the game,

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Speaker 2: But yeah, it was great.

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Speaker 1: I want to say that's a lesson to everyone that

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Speaker 1: You interned or apprenticed with high school teams, with semi

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Speaker 1: with why when you couldn't see something above those internships

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 5: So I don't know that I necessarily ever like looked,

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Speaker 5: I mean, I just I love football and getting the

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Speaker 5: I mean, it just kind of was very organic. So

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Speaker 5: then that seemed to always lend itself to like another opportunity,

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Speaker 5: I got to coach football and like you said, at

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Speaker 5: And I didn't force it, and I wasn't trying to

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Speaker 2: I just wanted to coach.

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Speaker 1: Well, yeah, you didn't need to see something bigger in

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Speaker 1: And yet you go to this NFL Women's Careers in

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, when you're doing, you know, things like this.

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Speaker 5: Right when I was back in Pennsylvania, You're right, I

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Speaker 5: It just kind of validated the fact that this was

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Speaker 2: Obviously.

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Speaker 5: You'll have to ask Jennifer about what you remember me

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Speaker 2: That called that. You know.

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Speaker 1: I love what you said, though, because I found that

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Speaker 1: there were more of us. I'm not gonna let you

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Speaker 3: It was crazy.

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Speaker 4: So at that time when I attended, I was a

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Speaker 4: I was locked in. I had one mission and it

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Speaker 1: That sounds like when you do an interview and they're like,

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Speaker 1: what's your biggest flaw? My biggest flaw is working too hard.

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Speaker 1: My problem is I was too focused to notice there

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Speaker 5: That's forward like a couple of years later and I

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Speaker 4: She had just showed me the picture you were you

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Speaker 1: I mean, there's almost nothing worse than introducing yourself to

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Speaker 1: about it, though, Jennifer, twenty eighteen Forum, Ron Rivera reaches

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Speaker 4: So that's really what I wanted to do, and obviously

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Speaker 1: I think it's as bad as it sounds. Sometimes we

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Speaker 1: You know, coach Love, We've talked about this before. You've

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Speaker 2: See you right and that you know you're correct.

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Speaker 1: tell her story. But you know, shipping a football halfway

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Speaker 1: across the world in order to get her job with

442
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Speaker 1: the NFL first is a brilliant move. But she's responsible

443
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Speaker 1: for so much of the progress that we've seen of

444
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Speaker 1: women coaches in the NFL. She's the mastermind behind that

445
00:20:00,040 --> 00:20:02,560
Speaker 1: women's careers in football for him I mentioned, but the

446
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Speaker 1: pipeline for women coaches might get another gigantic boost in

447
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Speaker 1: the form of flag football. There are so many more

448
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Speaker 1: girls playing and playing at a high level, learning the game,

449
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Speaker 1: loving the game, wanting to coach, wanting to play in

450
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Speaker 1: the Olympics since that'll be an option. Twenty twenty eight, Jennifer,

451
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Speaker 1: what do you think the growth of flag will mean

452
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Speaker 1: for women in the NFL. It is not the same game,

453
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Speaker 1: but it's football.

454
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Speaker 3: I think it's huge.

455
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Speaker 4: You know, Loo talked about, you know, most women not

456
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Speaker 4: having an opportunity to be around football at a young age,

457
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Speaker 4: but now they are, and I mean, I think it's exploding,

458
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Speaker 4: like across the country, across the world, for women to

459
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Speaker 4: get out and play football, for girls to get out

460
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Speaker 4: and play football, and like you said, they're playing at

461
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Speaker 4: such a high level. I was at a nationals tournament

462
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Speaker 4: probably about five years ago, and I saw like a

463
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Speaker 4: twelve year old quarterback launch a ball like thirty yards

464
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Speaker 4: and the girl caught the ball over her shoulder and

465
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Speaker 4: got her feet in as she's fallen out of bounds,

466
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Speaker 4: and I was, I mean, I was shocked, And I mean,

467
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Speaker 4: but it was really from that point like like you're

468
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Speaker 4: going to be all right, Like they're so skilled already.

469
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Speaker 3: I think it's gonna be crazy to see them de.

470
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Speaker 1: Villa, Yeah, Laurie. In twenty twenty one, you went to

471
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Speaker 1: the Girls Flag Football Preseason Classic, which was the largest

472
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Speaker 1: girls flag football tournament in the country at the time.

473
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Speaker 1: What was the scene like and what did it tell

474
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Speaker 1: you about both the appetite for flag football as a

475
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Speaker 1: sport for young girls, but also like what growth possibilities

476
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Speaker 1: there were since then.

477
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Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean extremely competitive, I would say, you know,

478
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Speaker 5: without pads, it was the same level of intensity that

479
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Speaker 5: we used to have when we took the field, and

480
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Speaker 5: just the tenacity of the athletes to just be.

481
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Speaker 2: Better than anyone else was. It was super impressive.

482
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Speaker 5: I had never really been to like a flag tournament before,

483
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Speaker 5: and I know that the BUCKS hosts that and that

484
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Speaker 5: is you know, with Florida having it as varsity sport,

485
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Speaker 5: that's their entire preseason for the high schools in that

486
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Speaker 5: area of Florida for their season for the girls.

487
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Speaker 2: So I think it's incredible.

488
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Speaker 5: It also went to like a varsity game in Orlando

489
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Speaker 5: and it's just the crowds. I mean, everybody was like

490
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Speaker 5: it was just a regular game of football with the

491
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Speaker 5: intensity with the girls, and I think that it's just,

492
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Speaker 5: like Jen said, going to help grow the pipeline, grow

493
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Speaker 5: the talent pool, and that's only going to be beneficial

494
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Speaker 5: for all of us, because the coaching aspect of the

495
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Speaker 5: pool seems to be shrinking a little, you know what

496
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Speaker 5: I mean, Like there's just not as many as there

497
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Speaker 5: are in scouting or ops or you know, other aspects

498
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Speaker 5: of football, because it's not just what you see on

499
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Speaker 5: the field. There's tons of jobs behind the scenes in

500
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Speaker 5: any of the league branches or organizations. But yeah, I

501
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Speaker 5: think this is going to help feed it in the

502
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Speaker 5: right way and with the experience and the love of

503
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Speaker 5: the game for.

504
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Speaker 2: Anybody coming in.

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Speaker 1: You're so true. Beyond coaching, just being a part of

506
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Speaker 1: the game and involved in any way makes women feel

507
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Speaker 1: comfortable being able to go and take other jobs that

508
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Speaker 1: are surrounding the sport is well. Is there any part

509
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Speaker 1: of either of you that resents that flag football is

510
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Speaker 1: what's getting the resources. It's not the same game as

511
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Speaker 1: women's tackle. Is that just an inevitability due to health

512
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Speaker 1: and safety and the way we view the game moving forward,

513
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Speaker 1: that it might be easier to sell to young girls

514
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Speaker 1: and to women as a game of flag as opposed

515
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Speaker 1: to full tackle.

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Speaker 4: I mean, I think ultimately it's going to help the

517
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Speaker 4: tackle game as well as those the girls that started

518
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Speaker 4: playing flag, you know, grow into of age and may

519
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Speaker 4: want to play tackle.

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Speaker 1: You know, I talked to hitting age.

521
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Speaker 3: I had.

522
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Speaker 4: A girl come to training camp. She's about to be

523
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Speaker 4: a freshman in college. She's this flag star. I looked

524
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Speaker 4: her up. She's a beast, but she's going to college

525
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Speaker 4: now and she wants to start playing tackles. So, you know,

526
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Speaker 4: I connected her with the local team, and I think

527
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Speaker 4: we're going to start seeing more and more of that.

528
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Speaker 4: And the women's leeds are doing a great job. I

529
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Speaker 4: mean they're growing, you know, you know every year they

530
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Speaker 4: get new sponsorships and you no more exposure. So I

531
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Speaker 4: think it's going to be better for everyone as the

532
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Speaker 4: black game girls.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, and we have a lot of like guys here

534
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Speaker 5: that don't let their sons play tackle anymore, you know,

535
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Speaker 5: being younger, so that it's not just the girls that

536
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Speaker 5: are playing flag when they're younger, it's also you know,

537
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Speaker 5: the boys too. And I think, like you said, maybe

538
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Speaker 5: for a safety reason, maybe to see whether or not

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Speaker 5: it's something they want to transition to.

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Speaker 2: But yeah, I think once you.

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Speaker 5: Get to a point where maybe it's just it's not

542
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Speaker 5: it's not enough to hit somebody, then you.

543
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Speaker 1: Know that's how I felt in every sport I played.

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Speaker 1: I'm like, could we add tackling? We tackling dock? What about?

545
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Speaker 1: Okay you too, We gotta take a quick break. But

546
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Speaker 1: plenty more from jenn and Laurie right after this. Okay, ladies,

547
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Speaker 1: I literally could talk to you all night because I

548
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Speaker 1: need you all to talk a little shit right now.

549
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Speaker 1: Oh lo, Well, Jennifer, what your team's going to do

550
00:24:55,640 --> 00:24:56,960
Speaker 1: to hers? In the opener?

551
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Speaker 2: I don't need to tell her. We'll just show her.

552
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Speaker 1: Okay, Jennifer, you got a four no preseason record. We

553
00:25:05,760 --> 00:25:07,600
Speaker 1: know that doesn't mean shit, but let's pretend it does.

554
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Speaker 1: Talk a little shit, Helo.

555
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Speaker 4: I mean, you know, we get ready, We get prepared,

556
00:25:11,200 --> 00:25:13,000
Speaker 4: so you know, I know we're gonna come out and

557
00:25:13,520 --> 00:25:14,240
Speaker 4: do a great job.

558
00:25:14,280 --> 00:25:15,240
Speaker 3: I'm sure they're gonna try.

559
00:25:15,080 --> 00:25:18,880
Speaker 4: To welcome Kleb to the NFL every opportunity they get.

560
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Speaker 3: But uh, you know, I think I think we'll be

561
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Speaker 3: ready to roll.

562
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Speaker 1: I'm excited the humility of somebody knows that talent is

563
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Speaker 1: on her side, someone who knows she doesn't have to

564
00:25:26,840 --> 00:25:31,040
Speaker 1: say anything, she'll just show up and prove it. Oh man,

565
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Speaker 1: I can't wait. Okay before I let you go. We

566
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Speaker 1: have to do the one thing that everybody does and

567
00:25:37,240 --> 00:25:39,760
Speaker 1: nobody has prepared for. It's fight me. I said what

568
00:25:39,840 --> 00:25:45,159
Speaker 1: I said, So you know what, fight me. I get

569
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Speaker 1: to ask you a question. You're gonna give me your

570
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Speaker 1: top four. We're gonna put it on the internet and

571
00:25:48,800 --> 00:25:51,240
Speaker 1: people are gonna fight you because they're gonna have different choices. Okay,

572
00:25:51,760 --> 00:25:55,120
Speaker 1: top four female athletes that you would like to see

573
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Speaker 1: play women's tackle football, the four that you think would dominate.

574
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Speaker 1: I'm gonna give you my to give you a second

575
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Speaker 1: to think, because I didn't prep you for this. I'm

576
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Speaker 1: gonna go with Kelsey Plum. We've seen the clip of

577
00:26:05,840 --> 00:26:08,199
Speaker 1: Kelsey Plum launching a T shirt into the crowd like

578
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Speaker 1: eight billion times. She's got an arm. That's my QB.

579
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Speaker 1: Colia Copper. I don't know anything about her as a

580
00:26:14,400 --> 00:26:20,120
Speaker 1: football player, but wheels, quick, moving feet, hands, grit. She's

581
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Speaker 1: a dog. Okay. Alona mar Our, new rugby super queen

582
00:26:24,280 --> 00:26:26,760
Speaker 1: from the Olympics. She's gonna beat some ass. Okay, she

583
00:26:26,800 --> 00:26:29,040
Speaker 1: already has a lot of the fundamentals. She's ready to go.

584
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Speaker 1: I don't know why I keep picking basketball players. I

585
00:26:31,200 --> 00:26:32,879
Speaker 1: guess I just have a suck in my head. But

586
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Speaker 1: Alyssa Peely like she got a body. She's strong, but

587
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Speaker 1: she's fast, she's like mobile, but she could also hit

588
00:26:39,280 --> 00:26:39,760
Speaker 1: some people.

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00:26:39,880 --> 00:26:40,120
Speaker 2: I think.

590
00:26:40,119 --> 00:26:43,040
Speaker 1: I remember she played football for a bit, so you know,

591
00:26:43,200 --> 00:26:44,800
Speaker 1: there's a lot of names dancing in my head. I

592
00:26:44,800 --> 00:26:46,840
Speaker 1: don't know how I didn't pick Trinity Rodman. I just

593
00:26:46,840 --> 00:26:49,399
Speaker 1: picked Trinity Rodman for pretty much every category at this

594
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Speaker 1: point because I think she would dominate it anything. But yeah,

595
00:26:52,480 --> 00:26:55,040
Speaker 1: any women's sport of any kind, you can even pick

596
00:26:55,119 --> 00:26:57,320
Speaker 1: previous from different generations.

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Speaker 3: Jennifer who got bon Dett first.

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Speaker 4: Okay, so my mind like instantly went the track when

599
00:27:04,000 --> 00:27:05,359
Speaker 4: you when you said that.

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Speaker 1: So like see.

601
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Speaker 4: Like Jackie join a Kursey playing wide out on somebody.

602
00:27:12,080 --> 00:27:15,399
Speaker 4: You know, I think that's a problem. And then I

603
00:27:15,440 --> 00:27:19,920
Speaker 4: also thought about Kennedy Carter, oh, cause she a dog,

604
00:27:20,320 --> 00:27:21,840
Speaker 4: and I think she would be a problem.

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Speaker 1: I don't know what happens when you progress from dog

606
00:27:26,440 --> 00:27:28,120
Speaker 1: into something else, but that's what.

607
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Speaker 3: She has, an absolute problem.

608
00:27:30,960 --> 00:27:33,280
Speaker 4: I was trying to think of people with more size

609
00:27:33,480 --> 00:27:36,840
Speaker 4: to maybe you know, like a tight end tight role.

610
00:27:37,200 --> 00:27:39,840
Speaker 4: But then my mom went to DT, like to ROSSI like,

611
00:27:39,880 --> 00:27:42,640
Speaker 4: can you better her playing quarterback, Like the field general.

612
00:27:42,440 --> 00:27:44,240
Speaker 1: Your team is all gonna get a jacted.

613
00:27:47,040 --> 00:27:49,199
Speaker 4: So I went to DT to run the one for me.

614
00:27:49,560 --> 00:27:52,320
Speaker 4: She had to play quarters. And then you know, I

615
00:27:52,359 --> 00:27:56,159
Speaker 4: don't know this lady's name, but I saw her in

616
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Speaker 4: the Olympics throwing the raven.

617
00:28:00,760 --> 00:28:02,640
Speaker 1: Yes, Chot put her with the mass.

618
00:28:03,800 --> 00:28:05,919
Speaker 4: Can you imagine her on the line, like what she

619
00:28:05,960 --> 00:28:08,359
Speaker 4: would do? She would don't want to move bodies. So

620
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Speaker 4: that's that's my four.

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Speaker 1: God, really good.

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Speaker 5: Off the top of your head, it is really good.

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Speaker 5: Thanks for like putting the pressure on. I'm going with uh.

624
00:28:17,280 --> 00:28:19,040
Speaker 2: I am going with the rugby.

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00:28:18,720 --> 00:28:19,880
Speaker 1: Okay, Alana Mari yep.

626
00:28:20,440 --> 00:28:22,800
Speaker 2: Yes, And I would go with Raven because you know, like.

627
00:28:23,160 --> 00:28:28,520
Speaker 1: She she did go last, so that's you know, a deficit.

628
00:28:28,560 --> 00:28:30,640
Speaker 1: But give names for the other two.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I would say, uh. I would go with Nancy Lieberman.

630
00:28:39,240 --> 00:28:42,240
Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, because she's really good.

631
00:28:42,400 --> 00:28:44,360
Speaker 5: You know, I feel like she could lead and I

632
00:28:44,400 --> 00:28:46,160
Speaker 5: feel like she would like put it down.

633
00:28:46,840 --> 00:28:51,520
Speaker 2: Yep. Yeah, let's see. You kind of went with like

634
00:28:51,560 --> 00:28:54,720
Speaker 2: a returner. What about Alison Felix?

635
00:28:57,520 --> 00:28:59,280
Speaker 1: No, you can't know, you can't.

636
00:28:59,280 --> 00:29:00,840
Speaker 2: I was trying to think of tight ends and stuff.

637
00:29:01,040 --> 00:29:03,479
Speaker 1: Yeah, I know you're a line. Lady, you want some

638
00:29:03,560 --> 00:29:06,000
Speaker 1: size on your team, but I like your squad. I

639
00:29:06,160 --> 00:29:08,200
Speaker 1: like all our squads. I would like us to put

640
00:29:08,240 --> 00:29:10,760
Speaker 1: this together. Can we get a charity game going? Can

641
00:29:10,800 --> 00:29:13,080
Speaker 1: we get like all these ladies in a charity game?

642
00:29:13,400 --> 00:29:16,720
Speaker 5: And I'll call you on like any of the Black

643
00:29:16,800 --> 00:29:21,680
Speaker 5: Fern Yeah rug team, any and all that would be

644
00:29:21,800 --> 00:29:23,240
Speaker 5: my other defensive pick.

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Speaker 1: Gosh, this would be fun, Ladies. It's been so fun

646
00:29:26,880 --> 00:29:28,920
Speaker 1: to talk to you. I can't wait for the NFL season.

647
00:29:28,960 --> 00:29:31,000
Speaker 1: I can't wait for my Bears to beat that ass, Laurie.

648
00:29:31,080 --> 00:29:33,800
Speaker 1: But I love you still, and thank you so much

649
00:29:33,800 --> 00:29:35,760
Speaker 1: for giving us some time, and thank you for setting

650
00:29:35,760 --> 00:29:37,800
Speaker 1: such an incredible example and changing the game. It's been

651
00:29:37,800 --> 00:29:42,040
Speaker 1: fun to watch. Thanks again so much to Laurie and

652
00:29:42,080 --> 00:29:43,840
Speaker 1: Jen for taking the time. I know they're super busy

653
00:29:43,880 --> 00:29:47,120
Speaker 1: with the season getting going. And also again, bear down,

654
00:29:47,320 --> 00:29:49,240
Speaker 1: sorry about that fat all you're going to take out Sunday,

655
00:29:49,280 --> 00:29:53,280
Speaker 1: LORI still love you. Oh and one last thing. We

656
00:29:53,360 --> 00:29:56,479
Speaker 1: recorded this before the Nancy Lieberman headlines of late So

657
00:29:56,480 --> 00:29:58,920
Speaker 1: stay out of Laurie's men. She's on that one. Okay, cool,

658
00:29:59,280 --> 00:30:02,360
Speaker 1: got to take another break stick around.

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