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Speaker 1: with Nick Eatman, David Hellman, and bar Garcia and Derek Eagleton. Hello, guys,
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Speaker 1: We are here Nick, Dave and me. Derek is nowhere
Speaker 1: to be found right now. Boy, We're going to start
Speaker 1: the show and see how he goes. No, he's busy
Speaker 1: doing other important things as always. Um, but how are
Speaker 1: you guys doing? I'm great, can y'all hear me? Yeah? Okay,
Speaker 1: I my headphones are on the fritz. I'm just making sure.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I'm awesome, but as awesome as you could be.
Speaker 1: You know, after spending a week in Hawaii and I
Speaker 1: kept back here, relaxed, ready to go, ready to pay
Speaker 1: for the draft, knock out this draft, and you know
Speaker 1: you're at that point in the draft where it's just
Speaker 1: especially on our staff, because we start this thing early.
Speaker 1: We started it early, as we've ever done it in
Speaker 1: like December in November, but um, you know you're at
Speaker 1: the point where like it's still nothing happens other than
Speaker 1: maybe a trade here there, or somebody has a bad
Speaker 1: forty time or whatever that kind of lowers some stock
Speaker 1: or surgery to a player, But I mean you still
Speaker 1: like nothing has really happened. It's still like right here,
Speaker 1: we're getting so close, but we've we've like beaten this
Speaker 1: thing to death here and it's like it's time to
Speaker 1: do it and board. Yeah, that's I mean, having a
Speaker 1: top ten pick is great, but there's really only so
Speaker 1: many ways you can slice it before you're just repeating yourself. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And it gets annoying when it's like, I mean, I'm
Speaker 1: not saying that nothing. Everything should be on the table,
Speaker 1: but it's like you just go in these waves where
Speaker 1: are like, wow, what are we gonna talk about today?
Speaker 1: You know, it's like what if they trade Michael Gallop
Speaker 1: and get a receiver. You know, let's let's put the
Speaker 1: receivers in the mix now, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: Just things like that, when I think we all know
Speaker 1: it's going to be certain er horn, I mean, that's
Speaker 1: what I think it's. That's what I think Sta Horner Pits,
Speaker 1: I think those are really I think it'll be one
Speaker 1: of those three players. I just don't see him even
Speaker 1: getting anywhere close to ten. Neither do I. But you
Speaker 1: didn't see Ceede Lamb getting a seventeen either, so you
Speaker 1: just can't can't take it off the table. But if
Speaker 1: I had to bet today, I would put I would
Speaker 1: feel very comfortable betting on one of those cornerbacks being
Speaker 1: the pick. Yeah, I'd say fifty percent. I'll give you
Speaker 1: ten percent for Pits. Sounds about right well. Stephen Jones
Speaker 1: did have an interview with the Fan earlier. I was
Speaker 1: it yesterday to the day, Yeah, earlier this week, and
Speaker 1: he did talk about getting starting to get some calls
Speaker 1: and people other teams that might be interested in making
Speaker 1: a trade if their guy is still available up there.
Speaker 1: So that's still that's already kind out on the table.
Speaker 1: He didn't necessarily say much about that whole possibility of
Speaker 1: whether or not they would in fact take a trade
Speaker 1: to move back or I mean, he can't really say
Speaker 1: much about that. I think it's interesting that he said
Speaker 1: that they've gotten some calls already, and he said he
Speaker 1: expects it to heat up here over the next week,
Speaker 1: you know, leading up to actual draft day, and there
Speaker 1: have been reports, which I use reports like facetiously because
Speaker 1: I think Ian Rappaport said the other day that Miami
Speaker 1: is getting calls about trading out of number six and
Speaker 1: the Panthers are getting calls about trading out of number eight.
Speaker 1: And I'm like, so basically Miami and Carolina want y'all
Speaker 1: saying that, like they want people to know that those
Speaker 1: picks are available to some degree. Maybe Stephen Jones does too, like, hey,
Speaker 1: if they feel good about their chances that one of
Speaker 1: those cornerbacks falls a little ways, maybe you know, if
Speaker 1: you could trade back and get another pick out of it.
Speaker 1: It's not It's not the worst thing in the world.
Speaker 1: I think. You know, and teams, if you if you
Speaker 1: say something like that, like if you say like, yeah,
Speaker 1: we've gotten some calls, I just think maybe it doesn't
Speaker 1: mean that they're going to trade, but they want you
Speaker 1: to know that that they're open to it. I think, yeah.
Speaker 1: And you know, the key is the quarterbacks. It's it's
Speaker 1: uh fields from from Ohio State, Um, maybe Trey Lance
Speaker 1: Um and then Mac Jones, you know those guys. They
Speaker 1: I think the Cowboys want four of those five for
Speaker 1: the five quarterbacks to be gone, and I think they
Speaker 1: would prefer one of them to be still there because
Speaker 1: that's what's gonna move somebody to trade for them if
Speaker 1: they want to trade. I mean. An ideal situation though,
Speaker 1: would be to have you know, four quarterbacks gone and
Speaker 1: then just everyone loved the receivers, you know in pits
Speaker 1: and then and then you're sitting there with like, okay,
Speaker 1: you're at ten and somebody wants that one of those
Speaker 1: quarterbacks and both corners are still there. Then you fall
Speaker 1: back to I say New England because New England. New
Speaker 1: England's just the easiest one because it's there are only
Speaker 1: five spots away and they need a quarterback. Like you know,
Speaker 1: we keep using them as an example, but it does
Speaker 1: make sense. Yeah, I look at it. It was I
Speaker 1: was looking at at this magazine. Actually, if I can,
Speaker 1: I don't know what camera will be on there, but
Speaker 1: I was looking at the magazine. I was like, all right,
Speaker 1: I was like, I've got you could take certain at ten,
Speaker 1: you could trade back ideally for Horn at fifteen. You
Speaker 1: could trade back to twenty and maybe get Farley if
Speaker 1: you feel good about it, or trade up for five
Speaker 1: to get pits if you want to do that. So five, ten,
Speaker 1: fifteen to twenty. That's really what I look out of
Speaker 1: these four guys, you know, and I don't. I don't
Speaker 1: know if Farley at twenty is a thing? Moving back
Speaker 1: ten spots. That's next year's number one better be Yeah?
Speaker 1: Do you like that? Hell yeah, next year's one. Come on, Chicago,
Speaker 1: how much do you want your quarterback? Let's go give
Speaker 1: me next year's one and probably like something this year. Yeah,
Speaker 1: this year's three and next year's one. I'll let you
Speaker 1: get up to ten. I'll I'm just fine. Like there,
Speaker 1: there'll still be a cornerback there at twenty, whether it's
Speaker 1: Caleb Farley or Greg Newsome. I'd feel a lot better
Speaker 1: about drafting one of these pass rushers at twenty than
Speaker 1: I would at ten. Right, like a Phillips or the
Speaker 1: first round pick next year. Absolutely, and like especially a
Speaker 1: first round pick to a team that's that's going to
Speaker 1: play a quarterback. Chicago sucks. I know that you pay
Speaker 1: last year, but they're not good. Yeah, you want them
Speaker 1: to go and struggle with their quarterback and turn and think,
Speaker 1: you know, and that'll be a good pick for you,
Speaker 1: so right now, nothing is out of the question. There's
Speaker 1: a possibility to trade up, trade down, stay there, Yeah,
Speaker 1: Drevor Lawrence is out of the question. Well yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: that's about it. That's about it. That's all about it.
Speaker 1: But another thing that we all kind of already knew,
Speaker 1: and Stephen Jones did mention again was they are focused
Speaker 1: in defensive players in this draft. That's their main focus.
Speaker 1: But as always, if the right kind of guy kind
Speaker 1: of lance there, then they're definitely more than open to
Speaker 1: go for it and take the opportunity that would be.
Speaker 1: Is there any other name other than the tight end
Speaker 1: that would kind of be attractive for the Cowboys at
Speaker 1: this point? I mean, you have to mention the tackles
Speaker 1: Rashaan Slater and Piney Sewell, and if an offensive player
Speaker 1: is going to be the Cowboys first pick, I think
Speaker 1: it would be one of those three guys, Kyle Pitts
Speaker 1: or one of the tackles. I don't know how you
Speaker 1: justify a receiver unless you really are going to trade
Speaker 1: Michael Gallup, which I don't see the point. And given
Speaker 1: what they said about Lyaelle and Tyron, you think they
Speaker 1: would be willing to take that kind of risk they
Speaker 1: actually go for a tackle. I don't get the sense.
Speaker 1: I think the Cowboys, and I've been saying the same thing,
Speaker 1: is I think they feel a lot more confident about
Speaker 1: Tyrn Smith and Lyle Collins than the average fan does.
Speaker 1: I think that they think they're going to be fine,
Speaker 1: or at the very least they can get by with
Speaker 1: the combination of guys that are already here, and maybe
Speaker 1: if you draft a guy later on, Like, I don't
Speaker 1: get the sense that they think it's so dire that
Speaker 1: they need to draft a guy at ten. And you
Speaker 1: also got to remember those two guys you mentioned. I
Speaker 1: think that if they were to draft them, because that's
Speaker 1: just the best guy available. And then you get to
Speaker 1: you know, you get to March. I mean, you get
Speaker 1: to a May June, and you're like, man, Tyrn and
Speaker 1: Lyell look great. Well, one of these two is playing guard, Yeah,
Speaker 1: playing left guard with Connor Williams spot probably and maybe
Speaker 1: Connor can play center, you know. I mean, I mean,
Speaker 1: but you're they have value. That's why you draft a
Speaker 1: tackle at number ten is probably because they can play anywhere. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I would think I would think they could play inside
Speaker 1: at guard for a little bit. So it's not like
Speaker 1: you just would be wasting a pick this year. They're
Speaker 1: going to play somewhere. But I still think at the
Speaker 1: end of the day, I just think, yeah, I one
Speaker 1: of those two cornerbacks is almost guaranteed to be there.
Speaker 1: And that's and I and the reason why I defer
Speaker 1: to Pitts. And you can yell at me if you
Speaker 1: want to, but I just I think he's that rare
Speaker 1: of a talent, Like if you were trying to comp
Speaker 1: him the like the comp for Kyle Pits, it's probably
Speaker 1: Calvin Johnson honestly like that, which that's insane, And so
Speaker 1: I don't think you can pass up on an opportunity
Speaker 1: like that. But that's why I don't think he'll be there.
Speaker 1: So I don't really think it's an issue. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: could see somebody trying to trade into that pick to
Speaker 1: get him, he goes in the top six picks, because
Speaker 1: other teams are going to feel the same way. I mean,
Speaker 1: if I'm Atlanta, I'm you know, I mean, I'm not
Speaker 1: trying to get a quarterback. I got Matt Ryan for
Speaker 1: a little bit. And because I believe, honestly, if you
Speaker 1: would have showed me this magazine last year. We don't
Speaker 1: you don't even know, well these don't have quarterbacks, but
Speaker 1: you don't even know who these quarterbacks are they they develop.
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't think Wilson be why you was.
Speaker 1: I mean he was a first round pick maybe, but
Speaker 1: not number two overall. Lawrence was Fields had to have
Speaker 1: another year in he excelled, and Lance you know, I
Speaker 1: mean he was kind of on he only played the
Speaker 1: one game or so, but I mean mac Jones certainly
Speaker 1: needed to elevate his So I just think every year
Speaker 1: there's going to be a quarterback, but not every year
Speaker 1: it's gonna be a tight end like this guy. So,
Speaker 1: I mean, I just can't see him following past four
Speaker 1: or five. Honestly. Yeah, I mean that's the and you
Speaker 1: know this isn't Falcon's talk, but no, that isn't. It's
Speaker 1: the age old talk of you know, do you want
Speaker 1: to reset your financial window? I mean, or do you
Speaker 1: want to build around a new quarterback? Like how confident
Speaker 1: are you that Matt Ryan can give you four or
Speaker 1: five more years of high caliber play? Because if you
Speaker 1: don't think he can, then you should probably draft a quarterback.
Speaker 1: But that's their problem to out, not mine. Well, but
Speaker 1: at all dominantly, you know, effect it is just how many,
Speaker 1: how many of these defensive studs are going to be there,
Speaker 1: And I think I really think the Cowboys will take
Speaker 1: the first or second defensive player. I mean, I don't
Speaker 1: think there'll be one till nine, right, maybe Detroit at
Speaker 1: seven maybe, but yeah, I agree. I mean, let's if
Speaker 1: the three best defensive players in this draft, or j. C. Horne,
Speaker 1: Patrick's or Tan and Micah Parsons, two of those three
Speaker 1: will be available or maybe all three. So and that's
Speaker 1: why I really think that they're gonna draft defense first,
Speaker 1: Like it just it makes too much sense not to. Well,
Speaker 1: we're gonna find out soon enough. In about a week
Speaker 1: the draft starts and we shall get to see what
Speaker 1: actually happens on the first day of the NFL Draft.
Speaker 1: My only hope, whether they draft a defensive player or
Speaker 1: an offensive player whatever that they had to do with
Speaker 1: the tenth overall pick, I just hope that with the
Speaker 1: rest of the draft that they are able to pick
Speaker 1: the right defensive players to actually help this defense, because
Speaker 1: looking at the list of previous draft and we're gonna
Speaker 1: finish kind of what we started last week with Derek
Speaker 1: talking about previous draft and the players where they were
Speaker 1: selected and how they developed and whether it was a
Speaker 1: bust or they were above average or any of that.
Speaker 1: There were some questionable choices there, So we'll get to
Speaker 1: that in a bit, but before we move on to
Speaker 1: that part, I did want to mention real quick, just
Speaker 1: because it came out yesterday and knew it's part of
Speaker 1: the news, but cornerback Rashard Robinson, he was suspended by
Speaker 1: the NFL two games due to using um, what do
Speaker 1: you call that? Informance enhancing And yeah, and of course
Speaker 1: not everybody still understands all the rules that things have
Speaker 1: changed in the NFL's you know, um policies there. But
Speaker 1: it's not like you can just take whatever. So we
Speaker 1: really don't know all the details. I mean, I think
Speaker 1: it's harder for guys to get a suspension, but if
Speaker 1: they do, then obviously you kind of know where they
Speaker 1: stand there. And I think I think there's a reason
Speaker 1: why the NFL announces this right now because if you
Speaker 1: wait longer, because they know that teams have to cut players,
Speaker 1: and Richard Robinson, in my opinion, is a guy that
Speaker 1: very easily could have been cut at some point. I
Speaker 1: don't think I don't think they can really cut him
Speaker 1: right now, because they could, but I mean, you're not
Speaker 1: really supposed to cut guys if they've been suspended or
Speaker 1: definitely in the program like this, So we know he
Speaker 1: wasn't necessarily a very impactful player for the cow Was
Speaker 1: or anything like that. He kind of made his way
Speaker 1: into the roster because of all the injuries and the
Speaker 1: necessity necessity of just depth at the position. Looking at
Speaker 1: what the Cowboys currently have, I mean, is this a
Speaker 1: guy that they kind of do need to keep because
Speaker 1: of death? I think he would have been released, Honestly.
Speaker 1: I think after the draft, you you draft a corner,
Speaker 1: you might draft two corners. Honestly, I think I think
Speaker 1: you could see a fifth, sixth round pick, you can
Speaker 1: get another corner, probably get a free agent corner. I
Speaker 1: think he's one of the players that's probably released. I
Speaker 1: think they have like eighty something players on the roster. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you gotta get rid of about ten at least. I
Speaker 1: feel so guilty for saying this, but like you know,
Speaker 1: been I've had to. I've been handed some big time
Speaker 1: suspensions over my time covering this team, Like you know,
Speaker 1: Randy Gregory, Zeke Elliott. You're just like, how are they
Speaker 1: gonna get by without this guy? And it's a nice
Speaker 1: I feel guilty, but like it's a nice change of
Speaker 1: pace where that email came down yesterday and I was like, oh, okay,
Speaker 1: Like definitely not a lock to make the roster, not
Speaker 1: even a lock to make it the training camp, and
Speaker 1: even even if you do want to keep them around,
Speaker 1: it's a two game suspension, which is like nothing compared
Speaker 1: to some of the four or six ten games suspensions
Speaker 1: we've seen around here, which not trying to make light
Speaker 1: of any of that, but like in terms of like
Speaker 1: this is this is a blip on the radar for
Speaker 1: me because they're going to draft cornerbacks next week and
Speaker 1: I just don't see this as a big deal and
Speaker 1: I hesitate even going down this route, but at least
Speaker 1: because we don't know much of anything. But I think
Speaker 1: we have to just acknowledge the fact that Traymon Diggs's
Speaker 1: name is in the news right now. Not sure all
Speaker 1: the details of that, but you know, it's something that
Speaker 1: everybody has to to to be, you know, leary of
Speaker 1: and how how things develop there. Um, it doesn't change
Speaker 1: their opinion on drafting cornerbacks. They're gonna draft one anyways.
Speaker 1: But you know, you just got to be prepared for everything,
Speaker 1: and just hopefully for Trayvon, say, hopefully everything is good.
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna, I think, just leave it at that.
Speaker 1: I don't I'm not trying to imply, but we don't
Speaker 1: know all the details. I just know that there's some
Speaker 1: you know, his name has been thrown out there and
Speaker 1: accused of some things. So we'll see how how things develop,
Speaker 1: hopefully the best for for Treyvon and everybody involved there. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, I haven't seen a credible news source touch
Speaker 1: that to this point, so I'm not going to either, right,
Speaker 1: I mean that until otherwise notified. Yeah, so, but I know,
Speaker 1: I know people over on that side of the building
Speaker 1: have kind of you know, they've heard it through. They're like,
Speaker 1: what's going on here? So that that's kind of where
Speaker 1: we stand and not trying to ignore anything. But again,
Speaker 1: it like Dave said, nothing really credible yet it could
Speaker 1: be nothing. Hopefully it is. Well, um, hopefully it is nothing.
Speaker 1: And U there's no drama on the defensive side because
Speaker 1: we don't need any of that right now. The cow
Speaker 1: do not need any of that. And I don't know why.
Speaker 1: It always usually happens to be a defensive player for
Speaker 1: some reason. But talking about another defensive player that's not
Speaker 1: with the Cowboys but has been somewhat in the news
Speaker 1: and around social media, and we were kind of wondering
Speaker 1: what kind of happened as to why maybe the Cowboys
Speaker 1: did not give Alden Smith another contract. And this didn't
Speaker 1: really I mean this what happened was recently, so it
Speaker 1: didn't necessarily have to do with the reason as to
Speaker 1: why the Cowboys didn't offer him any other contract. But
Speaker 1: just to mention it real quick, he's in some trouble
Speaker 1: right now. Yeah, there's a there's a warrant out for
Speaker 1: his arrest allegedly, that's what's been reported for an incident
Speaker 1: that happened in New Orleans last weekend. So he was
Speaker 1: already kind of involved with some some some things you know,
Speaker 1: around the NFL kind of trying to see and I
Speaker 1: even said this, I guess a couple of weeks ago
Speaker 1: that there's been talk that you know, he might be
Speaker 1: facing a suspension, but again, don't know all the details
Speaker 1: that the Cowboys really had no serious interest in bringing
Speaker 1: him back. I don't think that was ever a thing.
Speaker 1: Seattle is the only team really that's ever showed any
Speaker 1: interest in them. They wanted to trade for him in
Speaker 1: the middle of the season. The Cowboys didn't do that.
Speaker 1: In hindsight, they probably should have. But you know, I mean, Seattle,
Speaker 1: if we ever did we ever get a report on
Speaker 1: what the compensation would have been, because somebody just said
Speaker 1: they should have taken their fifth round pick. But you know,
Speaker 1: but I don't know if that's even a thing, if
Speaker 1: they just and that's like, I mean, if if Seattle
Speaker 1: was offering a Day two pick, then they probably should
Speaker 1: have done it. But I've seen I've seen people kill
Speaker 1: the Cowboys for not doing that trade. And if all
Speaker 1: they were getting was a sixth round pick, I'd have
Speaker 1: rather had Alden Smith, who was one of their better
Speaker 1: pass rushers and who actually seemed like he gave a
Speaker 1: damn like at least from my outsider's perspective. I never Actually,
Speaker 1: that's the funny thing. I got a few calls when,
Speaker 1: like just radio interviews and stuff like that, when Alden
Speaker 1: signed in Seattle, people asking me, They're like, well, what's
Speaker 1: he like. I'm like, I have no idea. I covered
Speaker 1: the season during a pandemic. I never met the man.
Speaker 1: I talked to him a couple of times on Zoomah,
Speaker 1: So it's tricky. But from my perspective, basically sitting on
Speaker 1: my couch like everybody else, like, it seemed like he cared,
Speaker 1: and so I was like, as bad as his defense was,
Speaker 1: I would have rather had him out there trying than
Speaker 1: an extra sixth round pick. Like I don't. I'm not
Speaker 1: going to kill the Cowboys for not doing that. Dual
Speaker 1: quarterback pressures is such a big stat I mean matters.
Speaker 1: It affects the game, not just sacks. I mean the
Speaker 1: pressures are a big deal. And d Law I think
Speaker 1: led the team with forty last year and Aldon Smith
Speaker 1: had thirty eight. I mean, so he's he's getting there.
Speaker 1: He was getting there. But I still think there was
Speaker 1: a reason why the Cowboys decided not at that point.
Speaker 1: They you gotta remember Seattle because he had three sacks
Speaker 1: against Seattle. So the Seahawks were like, well, let's get
Speaker 1: this guy. But I think, you know, the Cowboys are like, well,
Speaker 1: I mean, so far, so good. He's coming off of
Speaker 1: five or absence, and this is what this is. One
Speaker 1: you know year in the pandemic if we can get him,
Speaker 1: keep him going. But I think between that happened the
Speaker 1: trade deadline and the end of the season and it
Speaker 1: just didn't seem to get that much better. And who
Speaker 1: knows what they were asking for, but it just it
Speaker 1: just didn't work out to bring him back. Just one
Speaker 1: of those cases that's just unfortunate, because once again, when
Speaker 1: he got here, everyone was talking about him and kind
Speaker 1: of how impressive it was him coming back from not
Speaker 1: playing for like five years in the NFL to playing
Speaker 1: the way that he was playing at the beginning of
Speaker 1: the season. So just another unfortunate case that did not
Speaker 1: work out. Let's also remember too that one of the
Speaker 1: reasons his production dropped, it's because Randy Gregory returned back.
Speaker 1: He came back off the suspension and he was playing better,
Speaker 1: and I think they just have more hope for what
Speaker 1: he could do. All right, Well, let's take our first break.
Speaker 1: When we come back, we're gonna get back into the
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Speaker 1: you can, and they can get you. There's different strategies
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Speaker 1: round pick right, or you can just say I'm taking
Speaker 1: all ten of these guys and put them on my
Speaker 1: list and if if I get some points I'll get
Speaker 1: I'll get some points out of it. I'm gonna get
Speaker 1: something right. So it'll be fun to do that. They
Speaker 1: did it last year with some season ticket holders and
Speaker 1: it went really well. So now they're open it up
Speaker 1: to everyone. So Draft Pick Challenge. Can we do it?
Speaker 1: I think so? I mean, you can do it, but
Speaker 1: Journey half season tickets because you're going to be at
Speaker 1: the game. So I don't know if you'd you'd be eligible,
Speaker 1: but yeah, you could definitely do it. In fact, we should,
Speaker 1: we should play along. All right, Well, last week we
Speaker 1: did not get that fire. We just got through the
Speaker 1: twenty sixteen draft. We went through those picks and then
Speaker 1: we started the twenty seventeen draft and just got to
Speaker 1: talk about Taco Charlton. Other than that, we didn't get
Speaker 1: that much further down. So let's start off with the
Speaker 1: second round pick, which was ch w Blouisier and whether
Speaker 1: or not we didn't talk about him last week. Right now, Okay,
Speaker 1: did he exceed met or was below expectations? That's really
Speaker 1: and that a bunch of conversations happened about that when
Speaker 1: he left for Cincinnati. I think it's I think it's
Speaker 1: fair to say he didn't meet them, But I also
Speaker 1: think it's it's harsh to say that he was like
Speaker 1: a bust of a pick, you know, like he's right
Speaker 1: there where he started for four years. Um, you know,
Speaker 1: he had some injury issues. I think he was fine.
Speaker 1: You know, people give him a hard time. It seemed
Speaker 1: like he got picked on at times, but his coverage
Speaker 1: was he you know what, what was it like almost
Speaker 1: Anthony Spencer's He's almost almost almost a woozier because he
Speaker 1: was a fraction of a fingertip away from batting down
Speaker 1: so many balls that were eventually completed. Um, I feel
Speaker 1: mean killing the guy, but I think probably just just
Speaker 1: below the three levels that we put on here right me,
Speaker 1: expectations above and below. There's two more extremes. One is
Speaker 1: phenomenal pick and then yeah, and so he's he's he
Speaker 1: was below expectations because you drafted the guy in the
Speaker 1: second round. Um, you think he's going to be here
Speaker 1: and have a chance to maybe you know, make make
Speaker 1: make a Pro Bowl maybe you know. And he you know,
Speaker 1: he plays four years, played out his contract and then
Speaker 1: he went to another team. That he's a pick. You
Speaker 1: expect more than that. But he wasn't a bust. I mean,
Speaker 1: he played, and he is a pick. He's not a
Speaker 1: great pick, he's not a bad pick. He's just he's
Speaker 1: a big He was a pick. And then another guy
Speaker 1: that tends to be talked about when you mentioned Cheeto
Speaker 1: is Jordan Lewis because he was picked in the third
Speaker 1: round and he's also a player that plays the same position.
Speaker 1: What do you guys think about him? Well, his situation
Speaker 1: is a little different too because of how of what
Speaker 1: happened when they drafted him. You gotta remember and it
Speaker 1: feels like forever ago. But when they drafted him, you know,
Speaker 1: he had some legal issues still pending, and the Cowboys
Speaker 1: did their homework on him and said, we feel confident
Speaker 1: that whatever he's being accused of, it's gonna his name
Speaker 1: will be cleared. We love the kind of guy that
Speaker 1: he is, and they took a chance on him, and
Speaker 1: they were right. They were right on him, and he's
Speaker 1: one of I mean, you ask anybody that covers the
Speaker 1: Cowboys who their favorite players are. Jordan Lewis is gonna
Speaker 1: be on everyone's He's just awesome. But but he makes
Speaker 1: plays too. So to me, he exceeded expectations because when
Speaker 1: when he drafted him, you're like, I just hope he
Speaker 1: gets on the field. I hope you can do. So
Speaker 1: he signed a second contract. He's considered one of their
Speaker 1: better playmakers. So in my opinion, I think he has
Speaker 1: actually exceeded the expectations because they were a little bit
Speaker 1: different coming in. It's tricky and I again going back
Speaker 1: to the Cheetoh thing. I had a had a I'm
Speaker 1: not gonna call it an argument, but a healthy debate
Speaker 1: with Marcus Moser, who does a really good job covering
Speaker 1: the draft and the team. And you know, I've I've
Speaker 1: said this a million times, like top one hundred picked,
Speaker 1: the expectations are a certain level, and like you look
Speaker 1: at Jordan Lewis and you're like, twenty six starts, twenty
Speaker 1: six starts in four seasons, Like, my expectations are little
Speaker 1: bit higher. But having said that, and the reason I
Speaker 1: brought this up is, you know, we were arguing about
Speaker 1: Cheeto and he showed me. He was like, here are
Speaker 1: all of the cornerbacks drafted in the second round over
Speaker 1: the last twenty years, and this is what they did.
Speaker 1: And Cheetos actually like on the high end of what
Speaker 1: that was. Because the learning curve for cornerback is so tough,
Speaker 1: and so maybe maybe I should give these guys a
Speaker 1: little bit of grace. But at the same then I
Speaker 1: look at, uh, oh, absolutely, and this is why this
Speaker 1: is why we're doing this, and not to cut you up,
Speaker 1: but why we're doing this. It's ought to take us
Speaker 1: back to this trapp And so if that's the case.
Speaker 1: If you're telling me he was one of the better
Speaker 1: second round picks, you better get your cornerback. I had not.
Speaker 1: I had a long argument and um, I think we're
Speaker 1: putting it out today. We did a big segment about
Speaker 1: cornerback with Kyle Yeoman's and Danny Serek and a long argument,
Speaker 1: building the building the board, and he was, um, he
Speaker 1: was like, well they got Treyvon Diggs in the second
Speaker 1: round last year. I was like, look, we all feel
Speaker 1: good about what Treyvon Diggs did on the field, but
Speaker 1: he got picked on. You're like, there's a certain I mean,
Speaker 1: if you want, if you want to upgrade the position,
Speaker 1: you better be drafting in the top ten. Like that's
Speaker 1: where the bad asses are. You know, you know, I know,
Speaker 1: you know there's a there's a success story, there's a
Speaker 1: Richard Sherman everywhere for every position. But it ain't likely.
Speaker 1: So what I'm trying to say is it's easy for
Speaker 1: me to say, like Jordan Lewis didn't meet the expectations,
Speaker 1: but maybe that's about what a third round cornerback is
Speaker 1: capable of. As far as Jordan Lewis, I mean, would
Speaker 1: you say it was more on him whether because of
Speaker 1: his talent or more on the coaching and what they
Speaker 1: were looking for, specifically cornerbacks, I mean, which hurt him.
Speaker 1: I mean, he didn't get much of an opportunity both.
Speaker 1: But that's annoying because if you I mean you drafted
Speaker 1: him in the top one hundred, and I know, you know,
Speaker 1: Chris Rushard came in, but like the defensive coordinator was
Speaker 1: the same, Like Rod Marinelli, I assume was on board
Speaker 1: with that pick. Jason Garrett was on board with it.
Speaker 1: So it's annoying to think that they were like, we
Speaker 1: like him enough to use a third round pick on him,
Speaker 1: and then as soon as he got here, they were like,
Speaker 1: you know, you're too short or whatever. The problem was intrink.
Speaker 1: I mean yeah, like you knew what you were getting
Speaker 1: and you were okay with it on draft day and
Speaker 1: then and that's and that's one of the reasons why
Speaker 1: I think the start's number can be a little bit misleading,
Speaker 1: because he does he has a niche position. I mean,
Speaker 1: he's a he's a slot guy. Not everybody, not every
Speaker 1: corner can play the slot. So he does that. And
Speaker 1: so sometimes you don't start, sometimes you do. You come
Speaker 1: in on Nickel depends on how they start the game.
Speaker 1: You don't technically get to start. But I think he's
Speaker 1: been for the most part, he has been a regular contributor.
Speaker 1: There was one year he wasn't getting a lot of
Speaker 1: playing time, but for the most part he's been there.
Speaker 1: I think I think Jordan and Cheeto are very very
Speaker 1: similar in the sense of these were not bad picks,
Speaker 1: but you probably didn't meet the level of hype quite
Speaker 1: quite enough. Well here's a bad one for me. Fourth
Speaker 1: round pig Okay, oh wait, Ryan Switzer he was actually yeah,
Speaker 1: he wasn't the fourth round. Um, well, I was never
Speaker 1: a fan, but that's just there's yeah, there's a he's okay.
Speaker 1: I mean, I think the what we don't have here
Speaker 1: and I don't know if you know this what they
Speaker 1: get for him, because they did trade him. I believe
Speaker 1: that was the jihad Ward trade, right, didn't they go
Speaker 1: player for player and get jihad Ward out of Oakland? Then?
Speaker 1: So much for that. I was about to just say,
Speaker 1: what do they get? You know, sometimes you get something
Speaker 1: and it turns into don't remember think that they traded
Speaker 1: They traded a sixth for Tavon to bring Tavon here
Speaker 1: and then I believe because because Oakland, it was Oakland
Speaker 1: at the time. They sent Ward here for Switzer, and
Speaker 1: Ward was a guy that Marinelli. Rod Marinelli just did
Speaker 1: whatever the hell he wanted to the whole time he
Speaker 1: was here. Like he liked Ward in the draft cycle
Speaker 1: that he came out. I remember, I think he was
Speaker 1: a Senior Bowl guy that you're the Cowboys coach the
Speaker 1: Senior Bowl. So they sent Switzer away for Jihad Ward,
Speaker 1: who you know, didn't do much here. But I found
Speaker 1: this out the other day too, doing some we're doing
Speaker 1: some documentary on some draft day stories, and you can
Speaker 1: say that about Rod Marinelli did what I wanted. Uh,
Speaker 1: he did it for the better the betterment of the
Speaker 1: team too, because a lot of the guys, the defensive coordinators,
Speaker 1: all coaches are selfish. They want as many toys as
Speaker 1: they can have. Marinelli cut the tie between Leean Ramsey
Speaker 1: and Zeke and said, listen, they're both great. You get
Speaker 1: me a running back that can control the game with
Speaker 1: this offensive line will be fine on defense. Not a
Speaker 1: defensive coordinator will say that when they have a really
Speaker 1: studded cornerback you know over there in Ramsey who's been
Speaker 1: everything as advertised if not better. So. Um, but but
Speaker 1: to say all that about flip side, I mean you're yes,
Speaker 1: I get you, but and that you're just gonna go
Speaker 1: down a wormhole. But you know you could have Jalen
Speaker 1: Ramsey and Derrick Henry here. I mean in an alternate reality,
Speaker 1: just saying, but you could play that game forever. Yeah,
Speaker 1: of course that's what makes the draft so fun. Yeah, um,
Speaker 1: it was okay, he was okay. I think I've put
Speaker 1: him as a pick. He returned to punt for a
Speaker 1: touchdown head and had a lot of guys doing that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's okay. That's fumbled a punt in a game against
Speaker 1: the Rams that could have probably lost the game for him,
Speaker 1: and it definitely played a role. It's hard to he
Speaker 1: was here for a year. It seemed like his arrow
Speaker 1: was pointing up when they traded him. I think I'll
Speaker 1: just admit my human bias. I don't know if you like,
Speaker 1: he had a whole thing with his son. His son
Speaker 1: was really sick here in the last like six weeks.
Speaker 1: Sounds like he's okay, But I don't. I can't. I'm
Speaker 1: not gonna sit here and dog a guy who is
Speaker 1: here for a year I don't know. Here's another thing
Speaker 1: about Switzer. Two y'all are making me feel bad. I mean,
Speaker 1: you got to remember how many guys that look like
Speaker 1: him do you need on your team? I mean not
Speaker 1: some some teams will say zero. You definitely don't need two.
Speaker 1: And the head easily Beasley and it's hard for him
Speaker 1: to do. I mean, you know that, that's why they
Speaker 1: traded him. Um, in hindsight, if you don't have Beasley,
Speaker 1: you know you can maybe have a role. He's bounced
Speaker 1: around a little bit, played with the Steelers, played with
Speaker 1: the Raiders, but he's not in league, is that right.
Speaker 1: I think he's with the Browns right now. Good? Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: what's going on? Then? Not great? Not bad? All right?
Speaker 1: Thanks Savior Woods. Sixth round. He exceeded expectations for me
Speaker 1: because he started games and and he did you know,
Speaker 1: he did stuck around, stuck around when we got to
Speaker 1: the point where he was a starter. Now, his expectations
Speaker 1: were different, and he went below expectation for what I
Speaker 1: thought he would be last year. Definitely, if you're going
Speaker 1: to go into a trade, a draft a night and
Speaker 1: you're not going to take a safety in the second
Speaker 1: round because you have Xavier Woods and that guy's starting
Speaker 1: and maybe has a super Bowl ring in one Thornhill
Speaker 1: because of Xavier Woods. Then yeah, that's that's that's bad.
Speaker 1: But as far as the overall pick, you have to
Speaker 1: say he exceeded overall. That's a great pick. Yeah. If
Speaker 1: you get a guy in the sixth round who's capable
Speaker 1: of starting four years for you, that's good drafting. Now,
Speaker 1: you know, I think everybody was ready for that experiment
Speaker 1: to end, and I think he lost most people with
Speaker 1: his comments after the Browns game. It is what it is.
Speaker 1: Um certain, Like I think it was a good decision
Speaker 1: to let him leave, and but that you know, there's
Speaker 1: it's not always going to be guys that you invest
Speaker 1: in and guys that bust. Like you know, you drafted
Speaker 1: him on day three, you got four years, it starts
Speaker 1: out of him. That's good roster building. It's a good pick.
Speaker 1: And if I'm not, I'm mistaken. I mean, typically you
Speaker 1: don't expect the sixth round bag to be a harder, right,
Speaker 1: six round picks aren't locks to make the team, Like, yeah,
Speaker 1: once first through first through fourth, I expect you to
Speaker 1: make the team. Fifth round still probably expect you to
Speaker 1: make the team sixth and beyond. If you're even on
Speaker 1: the roster, that's that's good. You did a good so. Yeah,
Speaker 1: to play, contribute and start for that many years as
Speaker 1: a sixth round pick is very good. And when you
Speaker 1: just look at six and seven together, just kind of
Speaker 1: throw it out there together, because at that point it's
Speaker 1: just crapshoot. If you go back and look at these drafts,
Speaker 1: they're they're getting one. They're getting one a year. That's
Speaker 1: like wow. I mean it's like throwing stuff at the
Speaker 1: wall and see that Anthony Brown stuck. U Xavier Wood stuck.
Speaker 1: Noah Brown and he stuck. I mean he's not great,
Speaker 1: but I mean he's still here. Cedric Wilson. I'm skipping
Speaker 1: around the draft, Cedric Wilson, Donovan Wilson, um, you know,
Speaker 1: surrounded by all these other guys that aren't really here anymore.
Speaker 1: Last year, they didn't have a sixth round pick last
Speaker 1: year to new team. He started a game. But but
Speaker 1: I don't think that they really have anything that has
Speaker 1: stood out this last year. But every year they're getting
Speaker 1: like one guy at the end of the draft that's
Speaker 1: really a really, really good pick. So that was Xavier
Speaker 1: Woods was that pick. Yeah, well, I think the rest
Speaker 1: on the list we can kind of knocked out, knock
Speaker 1: out pretty quickly. We have requests. Why which was a
Speaker 1: sixth round er? Two, I don't think he made the team. Nope.
Speaker 1: He kicked around on the practice squad for a minute,
Speaker 1: but I don't think he was ever on the fifty three.
Speaker 1: Joey Ivy and Jordan Carroll I don't think made it
Speaker 1: out of their first training camp and then Nope. I
Speaker 1: love Noah Brown. I don't care what anybody says. Whatever.
Speaker 1: You can hate him all you want. He just keeps
Speaker 1: finding ways to stick around. He's just one of those
Speaker 1: that you're always kind of hoping for more and you
Speaker 1: kind of see it there and he just never gets there.
Speaker 1: Like I get maybe that's maybe that's the problem, is
Speaker 1: like I'm not hoping for more from a seventh round pick,
Speaker 1: especially if a Marie Cooper and Ceedee Lammer on the
Speaker 1: depth chart, Like what do you want him to do?
Speaker 1: I mean, he has a very niche role. I do
Speaker 1: like it seems like he's expanded on it. It was
Speaker 1: very frustrating at the beginning of his career when he
Speaker 1: it was like Jason Garrett was signaling the other sideline
Speaker 1: like we're gonna run the ball Noah Browns in the game, right,
Speaker 1: that was really annoying. But that's not Noah Browns fault.
Speaker 1: They changed that last year when he got every target.
Speaker 1: Remember that one game where it was like, oh my god,
Speaker 1: stop throwing the ball to Noah brown Like, what's did
Speaker 1: he sign a contract extension we didn't even hear about. Yeah,
Speaker 1: there were a couple of games where people were just
Speaker 1: frantically tweeting us, like the CD hurt where CD it's like, no, no,
Speaker 1: just they decided to roll with Noah here in the
Speaker 1: fourth quarter, not really sure why working that's the thing.
Speaker 1: It was like six targets and one reception like that, Yeah,
Speaker 1: that is like the worst ratio. I still don't I
Speaker 1: don't view this as Noah Browns fault. Like if they like,
Speaker 1: you're not gonna be like no coach, I think CD
Speaker 1: should go in. You're gonna go in the game. So yeah,
Speaker 1: I you know, I think saying it doesn't happen a lot.
Speaker 1: What just where someone says no, I don't, I don't
Speaker 1: really want it, you know not. But at the end
Speaker 1: of Hoosiers, you've probably never seen it I haven't, but
Speaker 1: I'm familiar with what you're talking about. Yeah, professional athletes
Speaker 1: don't say nah, somebody else can have that awesome opportunity.
Speaker 1: I don't think so. So it's not Noah browns me
Speaker 1: as a decoy and then he'll take the last shot.
Speaker 1: I'm happy that he's here. Well, he has the body
Speaker 1: type that it just I don't know. To me, that's
Speaker 1: how I see it. When I see his body, I
Speaker 1: expect more because of certain players that his body reminds
Speaker 1: me of that have given you more. So I think
Speaker 1: that's that's been the problem for me, is because of
Speaker 1: his physique. I'm kind of expecting more, but I'm not
Speaker 1: getting it now because he looks like Des Bryant. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and he doesn't play like that Bryant did. There were
Speaker 1: many times where I got confused, Well you started playing
Speaker 1: them like Brown. I would forget from our from our
Speaker 1: you know space needless press box spot, I mean not
Speaker 1: that high, but it's we're up there. You have to
Speaker 1: find out what is who's got blue socks on? Who's
Speaker 1: got the shoes on? I mean, because there's many times
Speaker 1: for like oh go Noah, it's like that's dead. Yeah. Sorry, Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's true, and that's not his fault. All right, before
Speaker 1: we take our final break, if you had to rate
Speaker 1: the twenty seventeen draft, how would you rate that overall?
Speaker 1: Just like the no, well it's bad, Well it's bad.
Speaker 1: It's bad because it's not you don't divide it by
Speaker 1: eight nine picks. Here, it's like, yeah, the first pick
Speaker 1: takes off like fifty percent of it, and then after that,
Speaker 1: and so the fact that one guy is still here
Speaker 1: and he's Jordan Lewis and he's maybe he's probably not
Speaker 1: even gonna start. He might be your technically two because
Speaker 1: Noah too. But yeah, I'm not bad, Yeah I'm sorry.
Speaker 1: But the fact that, yeah, you don't really I don't
Speaker 1: think about it. You don't really have a clear cut
Speaker 1: starter out of this group in your first round pick.
Speaker 1: You didn't even want him on the team you wanted
Speaker 1: he didn't even want him to see if he can develop.
Speaker 1: You just said we're done with you. Bad draft. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that is a bad draft. All right, Well, let's take
Speaker 1: our final break and when we come back, we're gonna
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Speaker 1: Glad to be back where we could do stuff like
Speaker 1: that again. The draft will be here, like you'll be here,
Speaker 1: actually here. What are you gonna do on draft Day?
Speaker 1: You can do anything fun. I haven't. I'm waiting for
Speaker 1: the email telling me what I'm doing on Draft Day.
Speaker 1: But I assume I'll be here right there, probably somewhere
Speaker 1: in this studio with a number of other people. Don't
Speaker 1: know who or how many. I'm sure all will be
Speaker 1: revealed within the next week. I hope. Yeah. Just good
Speaker 1: to be back and it isn't Yeah, I mean, it'll
Speaker 1: be fun. It'll be fun to be able to do
Speaker 1: it the way we usually do it right. Well. No,
Speaker 1: last year, despite the challenges, I thought he went pretty well.
Speaker 1: He was pretty successful. I know people give us grief
Speaker 1: about the zoom connection and everything, but we used We
Speaker 1: used one oh five three is like big boy equipment
Speaker 1: for that and broadcast. Broadcasting from my couch was not
Speaker 1: my least favorite thing. When when it's all said done
Speaker 1: for me whenever ever long I'm here and you say,
Speaker 1: give me some draft day memories for you I'll be
Speaker 1: like twenty twenty, I was. I did a call with
Speaker 1: Jamie Fox and DeMarcus Ware, but Jamie Fox and they
Speaker 1: waited for three hours to finally go to me, and
Speaker 1: they did on when it was time to pick. And
Speaker 1: so Jamie Fox is like, Nick, who you think we're taking?
Speaker 1: I'm like, you know, I mean, I don't know Willie Beamon.
Speaker 1: I was like, I mean, I don't know how you
Speaker 1: could not take CD Lamb. You know he's right there.
Speaker 1: I don't know this other defensive gay, but you gotta
Speaker 1: take CD if he's still there. And so Jamie was like,
Speaker 1: you know, I forgot how it all win. I haven't
Speaker 1: seen it again. But he was just like, you called it.
Speaker 1: You called it. So you know, I don't even know
Speaker 1: how I wrote my stories because I think I broke
Speaker 1: my arm patting myself on the back after that. So
Speaker 1: m C. The CD pick and the Great Manzille Martin
Speaker 1: debate of twenty fourteen or probably stand out in my mind. Yeah,
Speaker 1: all right, well let's getting to twenty eighteen and hope
Speaker 1: that this was better than twenty seventeen. So first round
Speaker 1: pick late In Vanderesh, that one's stuff. It is, I
Speaker 1: mean it's below, it's below expectations. I think he's met
Speaker 1: For me, he's met expectations because on Draft Day, you
Speaker 1: said he'll make the Pro Bowl. He'll make the Pro
Speaker 1: Bowl next year. Right, there's a rookie. Yeah, all Pro.
Speaker 1: Actually yeah, all Pro is a rookie. But see, so
Speaker 1: that that puts you here. Now he's been knocked down
Speaker 1: a little bit. But I don't I haven't seen it since.
Speaker 1: Though I haven't. I get he showed glimpses of it
Speaker 1: against Philly this past year, Like he played like a
Speaker 1: badass in Philly, Like he came back and you know,
Speaker 1: he forced a fumble. I think he had a sack. Uh,
Speaker 1: But he was so good in twenty eighteen. I guess
Speaker 1: maybe it's like a victim of your own success when
Speaker 1: you're so good so quickly. I guess you could say
Speaker 1: he's met expectations because he's uh, he's made a Pro Bowl.
Speaker 1: He's made one Pro Bowl in three years. Doesn't matter
Speaker 1: when you expect it to happen. It just did ten
Speaker 1: and the injuries necessarily not his fault, you know, like
Speaker 1: it was, but it was said coming in that you
Speaker 1: know that was one of the reasons, you know, he
Speaker 1: don't they knew about it. He played eighteen games as
Speaker 1: a rookie if you count the playoffs, and he has
Speaker 1: played nineteen in the two years since. And I understand
Speaker 1: that that's not his It's not his fault. Nobody wants
Speaker 1: to get hurt. I'm like, you know, go Shaun Lee understands.
Speaker 1: He actually said, you know, Layton said some great stuff
Speaker 1: last season about how Sean Lee gave him some great
Speaker 1: perspective about you know, don't let your frustration about not
Speaker 1: being available get in the way of coming back stronger
Speaker 1: and like approaching it the right way, because obvious, I mean,
Speaker 1: Layton reminds obvious for a lot of reasons. He reminds
Speaker 1: me of Sean Lee. But he has that, like you
Speaker 1: can tell, he's got that desire to be good to
Speaker 1: the point where like if he's not great, he's he's
Speaker 1: pissed off about it. Like he didn't he didn't want
Speaker 1: to talk about his injury last year at training camp
Speaker 1: because you could tell how aggravated he was that that
Speaker 1: it was even a topic of conversation. So you know,
Speaker 1: I empathize with him. But yeah, nineteen games in two years,
Speaker 1: and you know, they got to decide what to do
Speaker 1: with his fifth year option in a couple of weeks,
Speaker 1: and if they draft a linebacker in this draft, I
Speaker 1: won't be surprised if they don't pick it up, honestly.
Speaker 1: And if you're not, if you're not going to pick
Speaker 1: up the fifth year option of your first round pick,
Speaker 1: then I don't think you've met the expectations. So that'll
Speaker 1: be the barometer what they do in the next couple
Speaker 1: of weeks. But I think that's just kind of how
Speaker 1: I feel right now. All right, second round, Connor Williams met,
Speaker 1: He's met expectations met, And I think i'd also think,
Speaker 1: you know, I think it's probably fair to say Connor
Speaker 1: has been the weak point of the offensive line for
Speaker 1: most of his career here, but he also plays with
Speaker 1: two potential Hall of famers and Travis Frederick was on
Speaker 1: a Hall of Fame trajectory before he retired before he
Speaker 1: got hurt or sick, and Lyle Collins. When he's been healthy,
Speaker 1: he's been very good. So does that mean Connor Williams
Speaker 1: is bad or he's just playing with a bunch of
Speaker 1: really great player doesn't because I'll take you back thirteen
Speaker 1: years when the offensive line was about the same three
Speaker 1: Pro bowlers. Right tackle that was solid, and then left
Speaker 1: guard that was you know, he was just pretty good.
Speaker 1: Kyle Cozar. He was a pretty good player, but he
Speaker 1: was just with three Pro bowlers and another pretty good
Speaker 1: right tackle. It's very similar here. You know, if Connor
Speaker 1: Williams is the worst member of your offensive line when
Speaker 1: it's completely healthy, then your offensive line is probably good.
Speaker 1: I still think he would be a better tackle. I'd
Speaker 1: be interested to see it. I think he'd be a
Speaker 1: better tackle. I'd ever got to see it here at
Speaker 1: this point, I think you're probably right. But I mean,
Speaker 1: but then again, I mean, I don't think he would
Speaker 1: have been a better tackle than the two that are starting.
Speaker 1: So No, So that's and that it kind of goes
Speaker 1: back to what you said about Rashaan Slater and Piney
Speaker 1: Sewell is you're going to draft a guy what was
Speaker 1: Connor like fifty first overall again something, You're gonna draft
Speaker 1: him that high and just have him be your swing
Speaker 1: tackle and if all goes well, he's not going to
Speaker 1: play like I don't know if that's a good idea. No,
Speaker 1: So's he's been good. He in credit to him too
Speaker 1: for what he did last year. I mean he was.
Speaker 1: I mean, not going to compare him to Connor Connor Williams.
Speaker 1: How we're going to say the same game, not going
Speaker 1: to compare him to Sack Martin. Yeah, but based on
Speaker 1: the fact that he was available all year except for
Speaker 1: a quick moment there where he got a little bit injured.
Speaker 1: But he was consistent last year and that's the one
Speaker 1: thing that you needed the most. From what we saw,
Speaker 1: he missed one snap in a year where everybody else
Speaker 1: was just beat to hell coming on. Somehow he was, Yeah,
Speaker 1: somehow he was able to stay healthy. And he's another
Speaker 1: guy the huss suffer and dealt with other injuries in
Speaker 1: the passes. Met Yeah, met expectations all right. Third round
Speaker 1: Michael Gallas exceeded expectations. How much easily to say there
Speaker 1: everyone knows him and how well he's done all right?
Speaker 1: Fourth round, Dorn's armstrong. See this this is where it
Speaker 1: gets tricky. See I say, I say uh, Met, I
Speaker 1: say met. I was about to say exceeded. And then
Speaker 1: when I think, well, I should think of Dak but
Speaker 1: that is like such a such an app that's ridiculous.
Speaker 1: But no, you know what I when I think of
Speaker 1: like a good or what a great fourth round pick
Speaker 1: is capable of. I always think of Anthony Hitchins. Yeah,
Speaker 1: like if you're capable of finding that with pick like
Speaker 1: one twenty six, then you know, I don't think as
Speaker 1: a fourth round pick. Again, like teams cut fourth round
Speaker 1: picks all the time, Like you don't see it often
Speaker 1: as a rookie, but like in your second year and
Speaker 1: definitely in your third year, if you're not cutting it,
Speaker 1: you're not guaranteed to be here. So okay for him
Speaker 1: to hang around for three years and you know, not
Speaker 1: be amazing, but be a valuable role player. That's why
Speaker 1: I say below expectations because just like we said about
Speaker 1: Connor Williams, well he didn't he didn't play tackle or whatever. Well,
Speaker 1: of course not. And look who's here. But since Dorence
Speaker 1: Armstrong has been here, this team's went out and traded
Speaker 1: for Robert Quinny. They had to go get Alden Smith,
Speaker 1: and those guys were playing and playing over him. They
Speaker 1: you know, they they have obviously you know, they resigned
Speaker 1: d Law and then they got Randy Gregory in here.
Speaker 1: He I mean, they it's been a position where they've
Speaker 1: been trying to turn over Rocks here to try to
Speaker 1: help this thing. So he's a fourth round pick, you
Speaker 1: wouldn't expect them to have to try to do all this.
Speaker 1: You would hope that he'd be a guy in the
Speaker 1: mix and not somebody. Well, he's not the answer. So
Speaker 1: that's why I kind of say below. His stats have
Speaker 1: been great, but you know he's he's a he's a
Speaker 1: special team's kind of glue guy. You just think maybe
Speaker 1: a little bit more for a fourth round hire expected
Speaker 1: as for him, because since the moment he got here,
Speaker 1: DeMarcus Lawrence, for whatever the reason, took him under his wing. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And I would see that, and he would talk about
Speaker 1: him and he would be kind of his guy. And
Speaker 1: I thought, well, if if the law is taking you
Speaker 1: under his wing, is because he must see something in you.
Speaker 1: But then it just again another guy that necessarily didn't
Speaker 1: necessarily I guess I great. I kind of said this
Speaker 1: about cornerbacks too, but edge rushers, and again, there's a
Speaker 1: there's a there's an exception for every position. Jared Allen
Speaker 1: is a likely Hall of Famer. He was a fourth
Speaker 1: round pick, but like buy and large, edge rushers are
Speaker 1: drafted super duper high, like a fourth round edge rushers
Speaker 1: very rarely turn into those types of players. So maybe
Speaker 1: maybe I have that in the back of my mind
Speaker 1: when I cut Doran's armstrong some slack. But I think,
Speaker 1: you know, well, if the owner didn't bring him up
Speaker 1: in every other interview he did, I don't think people
Speaker 1: would hate him so much. I'll tell you why my
Speaker 1: expectations were higher for him. Why because he wore number
Speaker 1: two at Kansas. He wore single digit number as a
Speaker 1: pass rusher and usually wear that. And you're like, that
Speaker 1: guy's gonna be pretty good. Yeah, I just think you
Speaker 1: just think he's gonna I want to pull I'm pulling
Speaker 1: up his college stats right now. I mean, yeah, he
Speaker 1: had he had sixteen career sacks at Kansas as he fell.
Speaker 1: He fell to the Cowboys in the fourth round. I
Speaker 1: mean murder projections. He would be a second round or
Speaker 1: maybe third. He's he's met the expectations for where he
Speaker 1: was picked. I guess all right, next one, uh, Dalton
Speaker 1: Schultz also in the fourth round. I swear every time
Speaker 1: every time we do this, I'm just like, man, that's tricky.
Speaker 1: Like they're all like Nett. You would say, you would
Speaker 1: say didn't meet you would say below expectations if he
Speaker 1: hadn't been so good last year though, right, Yeah, because
Speaker 1: he was not meeting them last year. He shocked the
Speaker 1: hell out of all of us. Yeah, some of us.
Speaker 1: You know, some of the people on this one wanted
Speaker 1: him cut. And you can say my name, put her
Speaker 1: name to it, Rember Me. I think there's more than one.
Speaker 1: I think more than one. I didn't really see the point.
Speaker 1: And then but then Jarwin got hurt. And when he
Speaker 1: got hurt, it was like, oh God, what now can
Speaker 1: he go get somebody? And he comes in and has
Speaker 1: a really good year. But I think what it shows
Speaker 1: is the guys around him, I mean they're tied end
Speaker 1: in this offense is he's probably gonna get you sixty five.
Speaker 1: He catches sixty five to seventy how long down the
Speaker 1: field though, And that's what Jarwin's gonna be better than
Speaker 1: Charlt because he can spread it a little bit. You
Speaker 1: don't see he didn't really see Schultz making plays down
Speaker 1: the field. He did his job. He made a couple,
Speaker 1: but for the most part, he turns around, catches the ball,
Speaker 1: gets up the field, he knows where to go. He
Speaker 1: showed a little bit more. That's a guy like him.
Speaker 1: I just I think met is right, but I was
Speaker 1: so I was so impressed with him last year. Especially
Speaker 1: not only that, but last year, you know, Jarwin tore
Speaker 1: his acl like thirty seconds into the opener, and I mean,
Speaker 1: and Dalton even he'll he wasn't ready good and he
Speaker 1: wasn't ready for it. He had a bad night. And
Speaker 1: then a week later, nine catches for eighty eight yards
Speaker 1: and a very nice touchdown and a nice catch over
Speaker 1: like over good coverage against the Falcons. That's I mean,
Speaker 1: that's a hell of a response. And then obviously you
Speaker 1: know he had comparable stats to the guy who made
Speaker 1: the Pro Bowl, which said that a lot during the seasons,
Speaker 1: So don't I don't very very improbable snub which you
Speaker 1: really didn't have. I'm not gonna call him a Pro
Speaker 1: Bowl snow. He was probably the closest guy you could
Speaker 1: really make an argument for, unless you want to argue
Speaker 1: that Zach Martin even though he didn't play a lot
Speaker 1: or Amari I would say anyway, either way, Yeah, Matt expectations,
Speaker 1: largely because he was a badass last year. Fifth round
Speaker 1: Mike White below. If you don't finish your contract, especially
Speaker 1: as a quarterback, because like teams are, you know, you're
Speaker 1: looking for reasons to hold on to a quarterback, and
Speaker 1: if you don't make it through your rookie contract, that's
Speaker 1: not great. Sixth round Chris Covington and below below, then
Speaker 1: you have Cedric Wilson also eated. Six round, exceeded. He
Speaker 1: would have made the team. He would have made the
Speaker 1: team as a rookie if he hadn't gotten hurt. He
Speaker 1: got hurt, like right at the beginning of that camp
Speaker 1: and they just put him on ir um. So yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, exceeded if you're picked two o eight and
Speaker 1: you're still here, uh this many years later, exceeded And
Speaker 1: the fact that he's kept you intrigued, which to me,
Speaker 1: that's also something to look at. He's a guy that
Speaker 1: I'm intrigued about and I want to see more and
Speaker 1: I want to see what, you know, what he can
Speaker 1: actually develop into. And some of these guys, I mean,
Speaker 1: you mentioned names and you quickly just kind of they're
Speaker 1: so forgettable and you're like, yeah, yeah, he left whatever.
Speaker 1: But he's a guy that's has kept you interested despite
Speaker 1: the injuries. Now seventh round, both Scarborough below me played
Speaker 1: against Yeah, yeah, when he's when he's running the ball
Speaker 1: against him and you're looking around like good, good pick, Like,
Speaker 1: what'd you cut this guy? He looks better than Zeke
Speaker 1: that day. I will. It's funny because, you know, especially
Speaker 1: as somebody who covers the draft, I'm like, who, it's
Speaker 1: a seventh round pick. It feels harsh to even say
Speaker 1: below expectations because seventh round picks don't even make the team.
Speaker 1: But there was so much hype on that guy because
Speaker 1: you know, he was a star at Alabama. Alabama's running
Speaker 1: backs are always great. I know, you guys hate this
Speaker 1: thing a name. Oh why I got killed for that
Speaker 1: last week. Yeah. No, no, it's not a name thing.
Speaker 1: It's a it's a what it's a get off the
Speaker 1: bus guy, is what it was. It was like, this
Speaker 1: guy's a running back. Yeah, we'll find a spot for him,
Speaker 1: you know. And you know, and then the Lions didn't.
Speaker 1: I don't even know if he's still in the league.
Speaker 1: But no, he wasn't a name guy. He was just
Speaker 1: he was more of a this guy will kick your
Speaker 1: ass kind of well. And like I said, you know,
Speaker 1: Alabama's I know you don't watch a lot of college football,
Speaker 1: but like for years, Alabama it's like, well, their starters great,
Speaker 1: but look at this backup, Like Derrick Henry was turning
Speaker 1: heads when mark Ingram was still the starter, and um,
Speaker 1: who's the other guy. I'm already Trent Richardson, Like you know,
Speaker 1: mark Ingram and him, they were like, oh my god,
Speaker 1: the backups. Eddie Lay was a backup on those teams.
Speaker 1: They're like, the backups better than the starter. And the
Speaker 1: same thing with both Scarborough and he just it didn't
Speaker 1: translate to the league the same way it did for
Speaker 1: a lot of those guys. Let me let me clarify
Speaker 1: this too, because I had a few people on Twitter
Speaker 1: that misunderstood what I said. Let me just let me
Speaker 1: say that the name thing, Yeah, I don't think the
Speaker 1: Cowboys drafted him because his name was Taco. Okay, that's
Speaker 1: not what I said, and that's not what I meant.
Speaker 1: What I'm saying is the whole persona of him which
Speaker 1: is created at Michigan. I'm talking about the guy that
Speaker 1: looks like this. I mean, he's a really tall guy.
Speaker 1: He's got an intriguing name. You're not going to forget
Speaker 1: Taco Charlton, what he looks like, what his name is.
Speaker 1: It just builds into all of it. Let's look at this,
Speaker 1: let's let's look at Taco again, and yeah, you see
Speaker 1: some good plays and all that. I just think it
Speaker 1: just plays into it. I'm not saying you draft him
Speaker 1: because that's his name, because I mean that's the case
Speaker 1: Lucky Whitehead would get picked in the second round or something.
Speaker 1: I'm just saying there's a lot of that, But I
Speaker 1: just think it built the whole persona of him. And
Speaker 1: you know, I don't think it would have been the
Speaker 1: same if his name was Mike Johnson. I just don't
Speaker 1: think him. I find it funny that coming from someone
Speaker 1: who speaks English so well and it's so articulate, you're
Speaker 1: always having to come back on the show. And I
Speaker 1: was about to say that that's like a theme a
Speaker 1: little bit, as Nick is like, all right, let me
Speaker 1: just clarify a couple. If I wasn't getting cut off
Speaker 1: all the time, I could finish a point fair. Oh
Speaker 1: my god, No, that's funny. Yeah, um, okay, so we
Speaker 1: finished that one. If you had to rate that draft overall,
Speaker 1: how would you rate it? I would call that a
Speaker 1: good draft. That's a B plus n B B plus.
Speaker 1: I mean you get a Pro Bowl season out of Layton.
Speaker 1: You got two quality starters in Connor and Gallop, both
Speaker 1: of your fourth round picks are still here doing things,
Speaker 1: and you got a late round and find in Cedric Wilson,
Speaker 1: and uh, you know, we'll see what happens with Layton.
Speaker 1: You know, he's still he's got one, potentially two more
Speaker 1: seasons to kind of you know, the book is not
Speaker 1: closed on him. So yeah, I call it a B.
Speaker 1: I would call it a B right now, and if
Speaker 1: Layton rediscovers himself a little bit, then I would great
Speaker 1: it even better. I also got to think about, you know,
Speaker 1: you're picking Night when he he was the nineteenth pick.
Speaker 1: I mean you're picking nineteen twenty ish at every round,
Speaker 1: So I mean that's you're already a little bit behind.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's hard to have great drafts when you're
Speaker 1: already you're starting at nineteen. UM. But yeah, I think
Speaker 1: it was good. A lot of question about that pick,
Speaker 1: Layton Van Rischard myself included. I mean, I was I
Speaker 1: was not a big fan of that. I don't you know,
Speaker 1: most of us weren't. I don't like and Brian is
Speaker 1: right about a lot of people. I'm not trying to
Speaker 1: dog him, but like that that was not Brian's preferred guy,
Speaker 1: and the way he shot out of the gate and
Speaker 1: was an all pro right off the bat, he shut
Speaker 1: a lot of people up, you know. Or again, we'll
Speaker 1: see what you know, he's got at least one, if
Speaker 1: not two more years. We'll see what the final tally
Speaker 1: looks like. You know, I thought I find this a
Speaker 1: lot more interesting than I thought I would, just looking
Speaker 1: back at used draft and just comparing not just each
Speaker 1: peak pick peek. Sorry, that's what I get from making
Speaker 1: fun of you, Nick, there's my accent, No, but just
Speaker 1: looking at the drafting overall and just comparing kind of
Speaker 1: what happens year after year and how whether they were
Speaker 1: successful or not successful. So it's it'll be interested interesting
Speaker 1: to see if we finished this next week with Derek
Speaker 1: and just kind of look at maybe if there is
Speaker 1: a trend where you go from a really good draft
Speaker 1: then kind of not good, then decent, then maybe good again.
Speaker 1: I know. I mean, the Cowboys need to put a
Speaker 1: little more emphasis on free agency. I think we would
Speaker 1: all agree. But the draft, the draft is the lifeblood
Speaker 1: of the league, like it's all. It's not just and
Speaker 1: it's not just about finding stars. It's about that. I mean,
Speaker 1: that's how you control salaries. It's not necessarily fair to
Speaker 1: those guys, but that's if you get great players and
Speaker 1: you don't have to pay them a lot. That's how
Speaker 1: you compete and win playoff games. And that's what makes
Speaker 1: it so interesting. And looking at the Cowboys is fascinating,
Speaker 1: or you can go look at somebody else and be like, well,
Speaker 1: that's why they're good. They found five Pro bowlers in
Speaker 1: the same draft. That's why they're bad. Two thousand and nine.
Speaker 1: They didn't pick until the third round and none of
Speaker 1: their picks worked out. Not to bring that source subject up,
Speaker 1: but all right, well it matters. We'll see what if
Speaker 1: we get to finish this next week, and then I'm
Speaker 1: sure we'll talk more about the draft will which will
Speaker 1: be the following day and an exciting day to finally
Speaker 1: get some answers and see what actually happens. Perniki David Hellman,
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