Speaker 1: This is How Men Think with brooks Like and Gavin
Speaker 1: de Grab and I Hear Radio podcast. Welcome to another
Speaker 1: episode of How Men Think. My name is brooks Like
Speaker 1: and I'm sort of riding solo today. Gavin mailed it in.
Speaker 1: He said, I'm not coming to work on Friday. Rick, Dmitri, Ryan,
Speaker 1: they all did the same thing. So it's just myself here.
Speaker 1: I am ever reliable and consistent. And we also have
Speaker 1: the other the two most consistent people on our I
Speaker 1: Heeart team here. We have Easton, our engineer. Easton is
Speaker 1: riding shotgun with me. Eastern. What's up, buddy, what's happening,
Speaker 1: brooks It's good to be here. Yes, And we also
Speaker 1: have Tori Tory. Well, what's up, girl, I'm right here.
Speaker 1: Brought the snacks the waters dang producer Tory, kind of
Speaker 1: what kind of snacks do you have that sounds delicious?
Speaker 1: Let's start there. You know what I'm more of the
Speaker 1: person runs into Trader Joe's and just goes for like
Speaker 1: the dried mango to like the sweet and salty, like
Speaker 1: maybe like some peanut butter pretzels. Oh yes, my favorite. Wow, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I got us covered. I can't wait till we get
Speaker 1: to this podcast in person together again. I missed both
Speaker 1: of you guys, um east and I also want to
Speaker 1: just touch the hair. Do what's going on with the
Speaker 1: hair the well for everyone at home listening. I have
Speaker 1: a luscious head of thick, twisted ebony locks. Um, I
Speaker 1: have not cut my hair. You know, I the barber
Speaker 1: I go to I pay through Venmo. So I was
Speaker 1: able to pinpoint the last day I got my hair cut,
Speaker 1: and that was November. So it has been a while. Um,
Speaker 1: so what do we have to do to get you
Speaker 1: to go like a full year? You know? Actually in
Speaker 1: high school I had hair down to my shoulders. I
Speaker 1: looked like I looked like Howard Stern. But um, I uh,
Speaker 1: I haven't had that long in a really long time.
Speaker 1: I usually like I go pretty pretty short, but I'm
Speaker 1: actually kind of into it. So, um, I think I'm
Speaker 1: gonna go a couple more weeks and then get it trimmed. Uh,
Speaker 1: because it's pretty unruly right now. But we gotta we
Speaker 1: gotta put this out to our how men think listeners,
Speaker 1: just to see if they want producer Engineer Easton to
Speaker 1: cut his hair or just let him rock it. I
Speaker 1: think I think you can go in with it. I
Speaker 1: think it's happening, and I think once that heat hits
Speaker 1: in l a um, it's gonna fluff up and be
Speaker 1: very voluminous. How do you say volume? Voluminous? Voluminous? Yeah,
Speaker 1: great volume in there. Eastern, Well, we gonna talk about
Speaker 1: your hair. Yeah, that's what I was gonna say, Eastven.
Speaker 1: What mine? Oh yeah? And if well slow you on
Speaker 1: Instagram they already know, but you've made a pretty drastic change.
Speaker 1: I so last time I went in, so for everybody listening,
Speaker 1: I just did a mohawk, a straight up savage mohawk.
Speaker 1: I haven't done a mohawk like this since I was
Speaker 1: nineteen years old, so it's been seventeen years since I've
Speaker 1: done this. And so I went to UH. I went
Speaker 1: to a buddy of mine up here in Idaho who's
Speaker 1: a barber stylist, like just an artist. And I went
Speaker 1: to him last week and I said, I want to
Speaker 1: do a mohawk, but I don't know how aggressive I
Speaker 1: want to go. And so he kind of did one
Speaker 1: like it was just kind of a little bit of
Speaker 1: a mohawk, and I'm I'm like I got home and
Speaker 1: I'm like, nah, anything worth doing is worth overdoing. And
Speaker 1: so I went back to him today and I was like, Paul,
Speaker 1: let's go savage, let's go straight mohawk. And so he
Speaker 1: just brought out the buzzer. He just wired the sides down,
Speaker 1: left the top long. Um beard is still long. So um,
Speaker 1: I'm I'm rocking like a Viking. Look right now, kind
Speaker 1: of dig it. When I first saw you on Instagram,
Speaker 1: I was like, Wow, that's that's an aggressive haircut, Like whoa.
Speaker 1: But then I then I was like, thinking about it,
Speaker 1: I'm like, that's that's a pretty hockey player thing to do.
Speaker 1: Like I shouldn't be surprised, you know, like your you
Speaker 1: know your Brooks, Like you're a badass on the ice,
Speaker 1: Yeah you got You try and make yourself look tough,
Speaker 1: even if you're not. You just try and make yourself
Speaker 1: looked tough, so you have that intimidation factor. Um. But
Speaker 1: I know summers coming, man, I just want to do
Speaker 1: something fun and playful and um, I just wanted to
Speaker 1: switch it up. So but speaking of switching it up,
Speaker 1: I want to thank all of our how men Think
Speaker 1: listeners for the endless amount of messages that I have
Speaker 1: received from you guys. In response to the episode we
Speaker 1: did last week with Scott Evans about racism, and that
Speaker 1: was one of my all time favorite episodes. It was
Speaker 1: one of my favorite conversations I've ever had in my life.
Speaker 1: I learned, I was educated, Um, I became aware, and
Speaker 1: I was changed. Scott literally changed my heart, my mind,
Speaker 1: my thought process, and he challenged me in the most
Speaker 1: loving way to be better. Uh, and to challenge people
Speaker 1: in my commune need to be better as well. So
Speaker 1: if you haven't listened to that episode with Scott Evans,
Speaker 1: Scott is a wonderful human being, a light of joy
Speaker 1: in every room that he goes into. Please go back
Speaker 1: and reference the discussion that we had last week about
Speaker 1: racism and trying to seek and dismantle racism. UM. Really
Speaker 1: amazing episode. He Scott brought me to tears. I think
Speaker 1: that's only the second time on this podcast that I've cried, UM,
Speaker 1: but Scott's story brought me to tears. And with everything
Speaker 1: that's current and relevant in the world today, UM, please
Speaker 1: go listen to that if you haven't. And for everybody
Speaker 1: that's reached out to me, I'll try and get back
Speaker 1: to every comment I can. But thank you so much.
Speaker 1: For the loving messages. The community has loved that conversation.
Speaker 1: It was difficult, it was deep, it was raw, but
Speaker 1: it was necessary. So I just wanted to say thank
Speaker 1: you to you guys for the feedback on the show.
Speaker 1: We always appreciate when we hear from you guys. And
Speaker 1: speaking of that Eastern, We're gonna have some fun today,
Speaker 1: aren't we. We are we are. We're turning the show
Speaker 1: over to the listeners today, but take the rains. Yes,
Speaker 1: So we have a couple of people calling in with
Speaker 1: questions and we I have no idea what their questions are.
Speaker 1: They're going to call in and we're gonna do our
Speaker 1: best as a podcast team to positively serve and impact
Speaker 1: these people calling it. So Eastern, do you have our
Speaker 1: first caller on the line. Yes, I do. Let's let's
Speaker 1: bring her in. Okay, So excited to have our very
Speaker 1: first caller today. We have Ali with us. Ali, how
Speaker 1: are you today? I'm doing well? How are you? Welcome
Speaker 1: to the How Men Think Podcast? Thank you for having me.
Speaker 1: Excited to be here and we're excited to have you. Um,
Speaker 1: can you give us a little background information on you?
Speaker 1: Where are you? How old are how young are you?
Speaker 1: If you want to hear, um, what stage of life
Speaker 1: here in and then we'll get to what you're calling about.
Speaker 1: Where are you correct? I am in Denver, Colorado. I
Speaker 1: am thirty five years old, and I'm sitting here with
Speaker 1: my dog who actually has a cone around his head
Speaker 1: because he has Hopefully he doesn't interrupt, um, But yeah,
Speaker 1: I am at a stage in life actually where I
Speaker 1: just recently left my full time position and athletics and
Speaker 1: recreation at the University of Denver, and I'm pursuing some
Speaker 1: other ambitions of mine, um, mostly day trading and then
Speaker 1: also trying to become like personal trainer, nutrition coach, some
Speaker 1: different different things. At first, off, I want to give
Speaker 1: you a massive high five high five to you. I
Speaker 1: absolutely love it fires me up and I love when
Speaker 1: people bet on themselves. It's tough, I will say, it's
Speaker 1: not easy. Especially. I mean I can see either maybe
Speaker 1: in like early twenties when you're just trying to figure
Speaker 1: it out, or a later stage of life. But right
Speaker 1: in the middle, um, I mean late twenties, I went
Speaker 1: through a divorce which kind of changed my perspective on
Speaker 1: everything in life. And um, so here I am trying
Speaker 1: to okay So how long have you been pondering this
Speaker 1: switch and when did you make this pivotal moment, like
Speaker 1: make this pivot in life. I made the switch probably
Speaker 1: a year and a half ago or so. Um. I
Speaker 1: have to say my father, who's here in town with me.
Speaker 1: He's on the day trading side, um, and he kind
Speaker 1: of gave me the push to do it with him.
Speaker 1: But I've found now a year and a half later,
Speaker 1: that it's a very individual endeavor and trying to figure
Speaker 1: that out on my own and where I fit along
Speaker 1: with doing it with your father at this stage in
Speaker 1: life is also not the easiest. But it's been great
Speaker 1: to be able to spend time with them too. I mean,
Speaker 1: just with all the craziness going on right now. I
Speaker 1: mean the university I was working at here in Denver
Speaker 1: just did massive layoffs yesterday. So I'm getting all these
Speaker 1: texts of my friends that people who work there are
Speaker 1: twenty plus years that are losing their jobs. And I
Speaker 1: am at least feeling like I'm doing things I want
Speaker 1: to be doing and hopefully can make work. So so
Speaker 1: you've been in the new venture for a year and
Speaker 1: a half, Yeah, somewhat new things keep that was more
Speaker 1: than day trading, the whole personal training, nutrition coach that's
Speaker 1: come about really just during this the last few months
Speaker 1: stuck at home, it was really my like what do
Speaker 1: I want to do when all this is over? And
Speaker 1: what am I passionate about? And I need something to
Speaker 1: keep my brain busy. So it was like why not?
Speaker 1: Otherwise I probably would have never done it, And I
Speaker 1: can't imagine if I hadn't done that. Yeah, so you
Speaker 1: but you have a background because you work in athletics
Speaker 1: and recreations, right, you have a background in in movement
Speaker 1: and wellness. Yeah. Yeah, I've been a hockey player in
Speaker 1: my whole life. And what position? Um? Any forward, mostly center, center, wing, whatever. Oh, yes,
Speaker 1: you're a skater, probably at five. I'm only five to
Speaker 1: so most people are like, what you played hockey? Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's amazing. I love it. Are you a Colorado Avalanche fan?
Speaker 1: I am. I actually I grew up here. There aren't
Speaker 1: so many Denver natives anymore, but I actually it was
Speaker 1: fortunate enough to go up down the street from Peter Forsberg,
Speaker 1: and he was my idol before I moved down the street,
Speaker 1: so I then got to know him and he would
Speaker 1: take me to practice with them, and so, I mean,
Speaker 1: I was so lucky. But yeah, that is Ali, I'm
Speaker 1: so jealous. That is the coolest thing ever. Peter was
Speaker 1: a one of my favorite players because he was incredibly talented.
Speaker 1: He was an all world talent. But the thing I
Speaker 1: admired the most about Peter was his absolute fierce competitive spirit.
Speaker 1: He was an absolute competitor. He had those eyes, right,
Speaker 1: he had those eyes that were just like you could
Speaker 1: see he was locked in and he was just do
Speaker 1: you ever play against him? I played against him? Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: yeah it was. It was awesome because I used to
Speaker 1: play him on my saga Genesis. I used to have
Speaker 1: pictures of him on my wall, like me too massive influence.
Speaker 1: I wore number twenty one and yeah, so that's amazing. Um,
Speaker 1: how can we best serve you today? Ali, Well that's
Speaker 1: a good segue. Actually my question is hockey related. Yeah,
Speaker 1: because I've been I stay here. I mean, as a
Speaker 1: female growing up in hockey, like the Stanley Cup was
Speaker 1: always out of sights for me, Like I was even
Speaker 1: fortunate enough to go to a party with the cup
Speaker 1: and like get to hold it. And I remember seeing
Speaker 1: like seeing the kids around that were male that would
Speaker 1: like not touch it because that was just like until
Speaker 1: you craze it. But that so I have a different,
Speaker 1: like gender perspective. But so I'm curious if you were
Speaker 1: still playing hockey like this season, with all this craziness
Speaker 1: going on, and all of a sudden, like your season
Speaker 1: ends mid season, would you, like truly hear what June
Speaker 1: eleven want to go back and fish this season? That
Speaker 1: would be shortened and guessing playoffs wouldn't be your like
Speaker 1: historic seven game series, Like how would you feel, like,
Speaker 1: would you truly want to go back? And would winning
Speaker 1: the Cup this year be the same as any other year? Truthfully?
Speaker 1: In a heartbeat, right now, let's play tomorrow, Let's start now. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Like it's the same competitive desire to win um And
Speaker 1: I actually I actually really enjoy when circumstances get messed up.
Speaker 1: So I think this season, this season is obviously unique,
Speaker 1: right with the black Swan event of coronavirus, and like
Speaker 1: this season is unlike any in the hundred plus year
Speaker 1: history of the NHL. That being said, they're still going
Speaker 1: to award a Stanley Cup winner. And if even three
Speaker 1: years out of the game, if they said Brooks come
Speaker 1: play tomorrow, I'm in right now, right now, I love
Speaker 1: it there. It was one of the greatest honors of
Speaker 1: my life to every single day be able to compete
Speaker 1: for the Stanley Cup. Oh I can imagine. I mean
Speaker 1: I remember as a girl growing up, I mean twenty
Speaker 1: plus years ago, when like they told me I couldn't
Speaker 1: win the Cup. I was like, well why not. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's gonna be heartbreaking. Um, female hockey is there's the
Speaker 1: World Championships, there's the Olympics, there's college. Um, but yes,
Speaker 1: female hockey does not have Yeah. I just can't even imagine.
Speaker 1: I mean, I love and growing up around like Forsburg
Speaker 1: and being I mean I just can't even imagine like that,
Speaker 1: just striving for that. Have you ever thought of getting
Speaker 1: involved with the apps? Um? I don't know. I mean
Speaker 1: I've done a ton of work. Like my first job
Speaker 1: out of college was actually in the Central Hockey League,
Speaker 1: done in Amarillo, Texas of all places, which was tough
Speaker 1: because you're competing against high school football that draws forty people. Um.
Speaker 1: So I mean I've worked in hockey. I truthfully, I
Speaker 1: think I and that's partly why I got out of
Speaker 1: athletics and recreation as I think I enjoy it so
Speaker 1: much as a hobby that I started to lose sight of.
Speaker 1: Like I had to work for games every Friday Saturday
Speaker 1: night for so long, I didn't any longer want to
Speaker 1: go see them, and like I don't, I don't know,
Speaker 1: So I think I'm more I don't know that I
Speaker 1: want to work in hockey. I think I'm probably leaning
Speaker 1: more towards like coaching hockey, giving back to That's how
Speaker 1: That's how I feel to Ali. Because the I always
Speaker 1: thought I loved the sport. I always said I love hockey,
Speaker 1: I love hockey, UM and I did. But once what
Speaker 1: I found out after I was released and my career ended,
Speaker 1: was that I was actually in love with the competition
Speaker 1: interesting and the platform was just hockey. Yeah. Once the competition,
Speaker 1: the world class competition was removed from it, the sport
Speaker 1: didn't have as much appeal to me. I haven't been
Speaker 1: on the ice since the day I was released. It's
Speaker 1: been three years. My mind, I skated forty days a year,
Speaker 1: and then you haven't been on the ice since in
Speaker 1: three years. I haven't been on the ice since Thanksgiving
Speaker 1: Day when I was released in UM. Because the and
Speaker 1: it's sort of a hole in my heart I was
Speaker 1: going to say, is that like an emotional thing, you
Speaker 1: think that somewhat of there's I'm trying to figure it out.
Speaker 1: I'm still processing going through it. UM One. The first,
Speaker 1: first and foremost is that without that competition for the
Speaker 1: Stanley Cup, to compete with and against the best in
Speaker 1: the world, without that present, it just it's like it's
Speaker 1: not the same. So I could go play, I could
Speaker 1: go play a Pick Cup game. I could go I
Speaker 1: could be on the ice tomorrow tonight if I wanted to. UM,
Speaker 1: I have my equipment like I I could, but without
Speaker 1: that intense competition and the drive to be the best
Speaker 1: in the world at it, I'm not pulled to it.
Speaker 1: And I hope someday that I'm pulled back to the game.
Speaker 1: And what's that that that changes? Yes, because truthfully, there's
Speaker 1: so much I still want to give. Like I spent
Speaker 1: my whole life, I spent thirty five years trying to
Speaker 1: master excellence in this craft, and I don't want that
Speaker 1: to just die with me. I want to be able
Speaker 1: to pass that on. So whether it's whether I have
Speaker 1: kids and introduce them to hockey or just getting involved
Speaker 1: with some youth programs, I believe for me to be
Speaker 1: involved with hockey again is going to be through children,
Speaker 1: and that is I will say, like my steps on,
Speaker 1: he's eleven and he's actually a goalie, and that has
Speaker 1: been like the cluelest and his mom and dad aren't
Speaker 1: hockey people, so this has kind of been like my
Speaker 1: journey with him, and like I will say, I did
Speaker 1: not realize how seeing even like through a different position's
Speaker 1: eyes has been like the most fun and coolest thing
Speaker 1: I could ever. Like, I go watch and now I'm
Speaker 1: watching it from the goalies eyes, and I'm like, oh
Speaker 1: my gosh, I need to let oh, thank every goal
Speaker 1: that I ever played for because I look at this
Speaker 1: and it completely so I would say, I mean, I
Speaker 1: truly do hope for you because there is I mean,
Speaker 1: I think of us who never had the opportunity even
Speaker 1: to like ever win the cup. Yeah, don't let this,
Speaker 1: don't let that ruin the sport for you, because there's
Speaker 1: so much I have to say. I even this is funny.
Speaker 1: But back it was probably January, I think one of
Speaker 1: your Guys shows you were talking about like challenging people
Speaker 1: to like do something different for I don't know if
Speaker 1: it was like New Year's resolution or like what do
Speaker 1: you like, what are you doing different going into the
Speaker 1: new year? And so I had started, like before you
Speaker 1: said that, I had started writing letters to people I
Speaker 1: didn't know, like as a means of maybe thinking through
Speaker 1: something from a different perspective, or like famous people or
Speaker 1: like they'll never So I actually wrote after you talked
Speaker 1: about like doing these different things, I actually wrote you
Speaker 1: a letter that's about like when you were talking about
Speaker 1: having a hard time getting over like not playing hockey.
Speaker 1: I'd have to dig it up, but like that was
Speaker 1: months ago, but it was about like giving back to
Speaker 1: hockey and that I hope there's like more for you
Speaker 1: with the sport. Yeah, I thank you. That's so thoughtful
Speaker 1: and kind. I would love to Can you, um send
Speaker 1: it to me. Just send it me on on my
Speaker 1: Instagram or just DM me on Instagram and I'll find you.
Speaker 1: I'll have to find it, but yeah, I'd love to
Speaker 1: read it. Um, that's very thoughtful. Thank you. There's actually
Speaker 1: just today I met a young boy, um who was
Speaker 1: a hockey player, and he was and his name was Beckham,
Speaker 1: and just made me think that I should be back
Speaker 1: in that space that my heart is alive in that space.
Speaker 1: I mean, I would tell you I felt a little
Speaker 1: bit probably of what you're saying when like two, I
Speaker 1: mean as a female again, like the only thing I
Speaker 1: had to look up to. I don't even think like
Speaker 1: the Olympics Women's hockey was in the Olympics when I
Speaker 1: started playing, but through high school, Olympic women's team that
Speaker 1: won the gold was like my first, Oh, there's something
Speaker 1: that I could do, which I obviously never made it
Speaker 1: to that, but through some people I know. I think
Speaker 1: it was two years ago. UM team was getting together
Speaker 1: up in Aspen, Colorado here for like a charity event
Speaker 1: and they were playing against another team, and so they
Speaker 1: happened to need some skaters on the team with Olympians.
Speaker 1: So I got asked to do it. And I will
Speaker 1: tell you, like putting on the USA Hockey jersey, it
Speaker 1: was like the weirdest thing ever because I was like
Speaker 1: I never made it, like I'm not playing in the Olympics,
Speaker 1: but I'm like wearing this jersey with my idols, which
Speaker 1: was like so exciting, so overwhelming, Like I didn't know
Speaker 1: how to feel. It was like this is a strange
Speaker 1: moment that I like wasn't super excited about at first,
Speaker 1: but now, I mean then I had time to reflect,
Speaker 1: but it was kind of that same. It wasn't like
Speaker 1: the moment I wished I could have had. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: think I think that's so cool though, Like I've represented
Speaker 1: Canada twice in international competition, in the World Junior Championships
Speaker 1: and then the Men's World Championships. I never played in
Speaker 1: the Olympics, but I played in the other two, the
Speaker 1: junior and the men's Junior and Senior Men's UM World Championships.
Speaker 1: And pulling your your country's jersey over your head and
Speaker 1: you look, I can't even like fathom when I did it,
Speaker 1: just to like play in this game. I was like,
Speaker 1: oh my god, what would that moment be? Like it's
Speaker 1: it's like that, It's exactly that. It's But here's the thing, Allie,
Speaker 1: is you you deserve to pull that jersey over your head,
Speaker 1: just as the ladies who made the Olympic yeah to
Speaker 1: you know, we're when we when we play, we represent
Speaker 1: every single person that loves the sport that grew up
Speaker 1: all across our nation. We represent everybody. You're part of
Speaker 1: the fabric of us being there, you know, so you
Speaker 1: have as much um as much, right to wear that
Speaker 1: jersey as we do. It's completely equal. You know you
Speaker 1: need we're in the jersey. Don't let the game. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I know if you're going to give that advice, right, truthful, truthfully.
Speaker 1: The other reason why I haven't moved back into the
Speaker 1: sport of hockey is I spent thirty five years inside
Speaker 1: a rink. Also really curious at this time what else
Speaker 1: is out there in my life? What else is there
Speaker 1: in the world that I'm interested in? Let me try things,
Speaker 1: Let me try this podcast, let me see if this
Speaker 1: is something that interests me. Let's see, let me just
Speaker 1: kick tires. As you pivoted in your life, You're like,
Speaker 1: I want to try something new here, same was for me.
Speaker 1: I know that hockey is there, I know that's a
Speaker 1: lane I could be in. But I'm also curious on
Speaker 1: what are are my other curiosities? What other things am
Speaker 1: I good at? One of the things really fascinate me?
Speaker 1: And do I want to learn? How can I do
Speaker 1: something different to impact and serve people? Um, So that's
Speaker 1: been one of the reasons I want to give that
Speaker 1: ample time instead of just going right back into the
Speaker 1: same thing I always knew. Yeah, that's fair. So how
Speaker 1: else can we help you, Ali, we have like a
Speaker 1: minute or so left, how else can can we serve
Speaker 1: your mission or any other questions you want to ask? Oh,
Speaker 1: I don't know that if I necessarily have any questions.
Speaker 1: I mean, I guess I'll say, like from listening to
Speaker 1: you guys, if you guys, if all the like name
Speaker 1: players on the show where to Like this is gonna
Speaker 1: sound really weird, but like if you guys all had
Speaker 1: a bag be I would be like the child of
Speaker 1: the show because like hockey player, aspiring musician, songwriter, which
Speaker 1: I've really been trying to do in this time. Like
Speaker 1: you guys talked about, I've been married, I've been divorced,
Speaker 1: I have step kids, I've had fertility issues. Like everything
Speaker 1: you guys talk about and like that has been me.
Speaker 1: So it's been really cool to like hear you guys
Speaker 1: talk about that because not a lot of men go
Speaker 1: down that road. So thank you. I appreciate the feedback.
Speaker 1: I appreciate you listening, and that's why we wanted to
Speaker 1: start this podcast. I in my life am guilty of
Speaker 1: not opening up, not talking about emotions, stuffing everything, um
Speaker 1: internalizing everything. Probably most men can kind of relate to that,
Speaker 1: and I wanted to step into this space and the
Speaker 1: other guys as well, because it's it's practice for me.
Speaker 1: This is my personal development, is practice for me. I'm
Speaker 1: I'm exercising a muscle to open up, to be more vulnerable,
Speaker 1: to share my heart. Um. And thankfully all four of
Speaker 1: the other guy us have met me there, you know.
Speaker 1: And so we try to have conversations that are real.
Speaker 1: We try to have authentic, deep, raw, genuine Let's dive
Speaker 1: into what men don't talk about. Men usually talk about things,
Speaker 1: the game, the truck, politics, they talk about things. They
Speaker 1: don't talk about what's going on in our hearts and
Speaker 1: what's going on in our lives. And I'm married to one.
Speaker 1: So get him to listen to this show. Get him,
Speaker 1: we should get him on. Maybe we should get him on.
Speaker 1: Oh that would be amazing. I can't imagine what he like.
Speaker 1: You ever want a challenge of someone who like he's German.
Speaker 1: He just turned fifty this year, so he's a little
Speaker 1: bit older. He is like, I mean, awesome guy. Obviously
Speaker 1: I'm married to him, Like you want to challenge try
Speaker 1: and pick through him? That be awesome. Okay, we could
Speaker 1: have von um, but um, I just thank you so
Speaker 1: much for listening. Thank you when when people reach out
Speaker 1: to us and say they listened to the show or
Speaker 1: they removed or impacted by something we did on the show.
Speaker 1: And and also just thank you so much for the
Speaker 1: hockey questions. There's so much thanks talking about it, and
Speaker 1: I wish you the best and I wish your abs
Speaker 1: the best. They're a fantastic team therefore having a good
Speaker 1: year this year, so they're so fun to watch. They
Speaker 1: have such some young studs that are just amazing hockey players. So, um,
Speaker 1: I love that you called in about hockey. A lot
Speaker 1: of people will call in about music, so Gavin gets
Speaker 1: a lot of questions. But I love that you called it.
Speaker 1: I do, I do. The music is my other love,
Speaker 1: but hockey will always be there. So awesome. Thank you
Speaker 1: so much, Ali, We appreciate it. And I'd love if
Speaker 1: you can send me that letter, if you get to
Speaker 1: send a picture, and I'll respond to you and I'd
Speaker 1: love to read that. Thank you for your thoughts, your sentiments,
Speaker 1: thank you for listening, sending you love on your journey. Alie.
Speaker 1: All right, thank you appreciating Bye bye. I always love
Speaker 1: to hear from our listeners, We read your d M.
Speaker 1: But also you can call us um with your question
Speaker 1: that one eight four three zero seventy seven. And we
Speaker 1: have a caller on the line right now who's been
Speaker 1: God bless her heart. She's been on hold for a
Speaker 1: million years. Um, but we have Helenda with us. Helenda,
Speaker 1: welcome to how many thanks? How are you hi? I'm good,
Speaker 1: it's been it's only been over however, that's okay. I apologize,
Speaker 1: I'm so story, but I'm here to help you as
Speaker 1: best I can. He Linda, what is your question? Um?
Speaker 1: Life post rides on my mind a lot. So how
Speaker 1: do I like being on my own two feet and
Speaker 1: like a fishing moving out? I think I want to
Speaker 1: get start a career in another state and then just
Speaker 1: like building my life from there. Um, it's is actually
Speaker 1: a very exciting time, Helenda. It's actually I know it's
Speaker 1: very scary. UM. I'm trying to reference like my own experience.
Speaker 1: I remember when I moved away from home. I was
Speaker 1: I had just turned six when I moved away from
Speaker 1: home to pursue hockey, and I remember I remember not
Speaker 1: being ready for it. I remember being away from my
Speaker 1: parents for three weeks or a month, I was playing
Speaker 1: hockey and I loved it, but I remember I was
Speaker 1: I was crying in the basement. I was crying because
Speaker 1: I missed my family so much. And I wrote a
Speaker 1: letter to my parents UM and basically said, I'm coming home.
Speaker 1: I'm ready to come home. I can't do this, this
Speaker 1: is too hard for me, UM, I want to come home.
Speaker 1: And I put it in my desk drawer in my
Speaker 1: bedroom and I just never ended up mailing it. And
Speaker 1: I don't know why I didn't, But somehow I found
Speaker 1: the courage to continue on. There was there was a dream.
Speaker 1: I had, the dream of playing in the National Hockey League,
Speaker 1: and I knew that that dream would die if I
Speaker 1: went back home, and so I had to find the
Speaker 1: courage to continue on. And I believe that all of
Speaker 1: that is within you. I fully believe that all of
Speaker 1: that is within you as well. Yeah, I fully and
Speaker 1: And I wish I could lay out he Linda for
Speaker 1: you steps. I wish I was better and I could
Speaker 1: lay out exact steps. This is what I did, and
Speaker 1: then this is what I did. I don't have that
Speaker 1: for you right now, but I do feel and firmly
Speaker 1: believe that everything you need is within you, and I
Speaker 1: actually really feel that you're going to be actually more
Speaker 1: than okay the world if you If you, I think
Speaker 1: there's two ways to view the world, and you view
Speaker 1: it as something f fearful or you you view it
Speaker 1: as something as of an opportunity. And I hope that
Speaker 1: you're able to adopt this sort of uncertainty as an
Speaker 1: opportunity versus an obstacle. Yeah, are you able to have
Speaker 1: this conversation with any friends or family members, anybody close
Speaker 1: in your life that you can trust to open up
Speaker 1: and share this like, this is what I'm really struggling
Speaker 1: with And can can I just voice my concerns and
Speaker 1: have you listen? And then I would love if you've
Speaker 1: had any solutions to provide or advice to provide. Um,
Speaker 1: I do, But I guess what I want to do
Speaker 1: is like a little different than what my family has done.
Speaker 1: I'm first generation Americans, so the university's and fill embarrassing.
Speaker 1: That's not something they've really gone through. I have my
Speaker 1: older brother, Um, oh my godmothers. But so are you
Speaker 1: the first member of your family to go to university?
Speaker 1: Kind of yeah, in my household, in your household, brother, Yeah,
Speaker 1: my brother's he's going to But you know, are you
Speaker 1: feeling a burden of responsibility of that you don't have
Speaker 1: this amazing opportunity and feeling the weight of it within
Speaker 1: your household because maybe you are the first to go
Speaker 1: to university and there's an expectation that may come with that. No,
Speaker 1: it's not so much that. It's more like I know
Speaker 1: what I want to do, but like I just don't know,
Speaker 1: like what steps that take. I don't know how, So
Speaker 1: like when that day comes, um, because there's a lot
Speaker 1: of stuff to figure out and plan out, Like the
Speaker 1: first thing to do is find a job and then
Speaker 1: find an apartment and then find a car, um, because
Speaker 1: I'd like to move out of the space from where
Speaker 1: I am. Okay, So, so the how the how really
Speaker 1: trips a lot of people out. The how the how
Speaker 1: stops people in their tracks, you know, And I like
Speaker 1: and it's a it's a barrier of entry that that
Speaker 1: resilient people pushed through and that stops other people in
Speaker 1: their track and it makes me think of, Um, I
Speaker 1: can't remember which US president was, but he said, we're
Speaker 1: gonna send a man to the mood, We're gonna put
Speaker 1: a man on the moon and bring him home safely,
Speaker 1: and he didn't know how. He didn't know how, but
Speaker 1: he knew what he wanted to do, and they wanted
Speaker 1: space exploration. They wanted to be the first country to
Speaker 1: land on the moon. So he knew the what, and
Speaker 1: then he he he challenged the nation and his people
Speaker 1: to figure out the how. But as long as you
Speaker 1: know the what and you believe in the power of
Speaker 1: the what and the why. So you know what you
Speaker 1: want to do, you want to be, let's let's even
Speaker 1: start there. You want to be in apparel merchandizing. Is
Speaker 1: that what you want to do? Do you want to do? State?
Speaker 1: I hear if you say that, Yeah, I want to
Speaker 1: like that's like fashion related production merchandizing. Um, even like
Speaker 1: life and style, homegood anything in design like that, That's
Speaker 1: what I want to do. Okay, So that's wonderful because
Speaker 1: a lot of people don't know what they want to do. Myself,
Speaker 1: I'm I'm trying to included in that. I don't know
Speaker 1: what I want to do with my life right now.
Speaker 1: So um, that's wonderful that you know what you want
Speaker 1: to do. And then you also said you want to
Speaker 1: move out of state, So which state you currently live
Speaker 1: in and which state do you think you might want
Speaker 1: to move to. Well, Um, I live in cantonas and
Speaker 1: I'm thinking Florida because Florida is against start But why Florida?
Speaker 1: What's appealing to you about Florida? Um? I think it's
Speaker 1: a good city here, that's a good start for me
Speaker 1: where I could find work in. Um, I feel like
Speaker 1: if he's like law Standalis in New York City, like,
Speaker 1: that's too I guess far out there for me to
Speaker 1: start out in. Okay, I think I think ending my
Speaker 1: career in New York. I think a few decades from now,
Speaker 1: i'd like to maybe be somewhere in New York. Cool, right,
Speaker 1: Florida would be probably a good place to start. Awesome,
Speaker 1: that's fantastic. And I have no judgment. I don't think
Speaker 1: one is better than the other endea. I was just curious. Okay,
Speaker 1: so you live in Kansas. Do you want to move
Speaker 1: out of state? And Florida is kind of on your radar? Now?
Speaker 1: My next question is why do you want to create
Speaker 1: this life? Why do you want to be in design
Speaker 1: and apparel merchandizing and all of that, and and why
Speaker 1: is it important to you that you pursue this. Why
Speaker 1: not give this up? Yeah? Um, it's something I believe.
Speaker 1: We all have our gifts, whether it's math or science, athletics.
Speaker 1: Mine isn't like I've always loved anything artistic, anything in
Speaker 1: design that since I was a kid, I knew that's
Speaker 1: what I like. I knew that's what I enjoyed, and
Speaker 1: I knew that's what um I got praised for. So
Speaker 1: so since I was a kid, I had this idea
Speaker 1: and I'm evolving that that dream, I guess into this
Speaker 1: big goal that I have at the end. They have
Speaker 1: always I've known since I was a kid, I enjoyed.
Speaker 1: That's amazing. So in your in your in your life,
Speaker 1: because what we're all seeking, truly is happiness. What you
Speaker 1: would be happy. The reason why you wanted to pursue
Speaker 1: this is that it would make you happy and fulfilled
Speaker 1: and expressed and you're good at it. Yeah, and yeah,
Speaker 1: I like my work to be out there and have
Speaker 1: like my vision sort of come to life and have
Speaker 1: that be admired by the public. I guess, Okay, So
Speaker 1: what happens if you don't do this? I mean, I
Speaker 1: have the drive for it. I feel like if it's
Speaker 1: a no brainer that you just want to keep getting
Speaker 1: up and doing something, which that's me. I I don't
Speaker 1: want to settle. Um. I don't really have a planned
Speaker 1: be at least I don't think I do. But I know,
Speaker 1: um what you know, it takes time, and I know
Speaker 1: no one starts at the top, which is I feel
Speaker 1: like as a as a young girl, I don't like
Speaker 1: get things done quickly. But it's about doing things correct
Speaker 1: for you in your life, not getting it done fast.
Speaker 1: And yeah, I agree with you. Things happen when they're
Speaker 1: supposed to, not when you want them to. UM. I've
Speaker 1: actually been reading a lot on that. To Linda, I've
Speaker 1: actually been that exact thing that you just mentioned. I've
Speaker 1: been reading a lot on that, um. And what I've
Speaker 1: been reading is it's called the law of least effort
Speaker 1: um nature. The tree will become the tree when the
Speaker 1: tree is meant to become the tree, but rest assured
Speaker 1: it will feel fulfill its entire potential when it's supposed to.
Speaker 1: It does not rush, you know, it does not force itself.
Speaker 1: It just grows as it's naturally supposed to grow. And
Speaker 1: just some some of the laws of nature. I have
Speaker 1: been observing those trying to apply them to my own life,
Speaker 1: and it's taken the pressure to accelerate everything which we
Speaker 1: put on ourselves. Um. We're achievers. We desire to achieve,
Speaker 1: so we put this pressure on ourselves to accelerate things,
Speaker 1: and it's kind of taken that pressure off that what
Speaker 1: will be will be just by nature. So I love
Speaker 1: that you're twenty two, almost twenty two and you have
Speaker 1: that mindset already. I'm just learning this and I'm thirty six,
Speaker 1: so your fourteen years ahead of me. Girl, You're doing great. UM.
Speaker 1: I also I want to touch on one thing. The
Speaker 1: reason why I asked you is what happens if you
Speaker 1: don't do this? Um. One of the main components of
Speaker 1: my drive and my engine to achieve my goals in
Speaker 1: my life was I was completely terrified of what my
Speaker 1: life would look like if I did not pursue my
Speaker 1: goals and dreams and aspirations to the absolute furthest possible point.
Speaker 1: I was terrified if I gave up on You know,
Speaker 1: there's uncertainty of whether or not I would actually achieve them,
Speaker 1: but I was terrified on giving on what my life
Speaker 1: would be like if I gave up on them. So
Speaker 1: I said, I'm going to exhaust all possibilities, all ounds
Speaker 1: of effort, every intention and intensity, everything I can muster
Speaker 1: into it, I'm going to put into it, and I'm
Speaker 1: going to pursue it. And if it doesn't work out,
Speaker 1: it doesn't work out. But at least I didn't give
Speaker 1: up on it, and I did it, and I lived
Speaker 1: my dream for fifteen years and still have to a
Speaker 1: degree to lend living my dream. That I wake up
Speaker 1: and I get to choose what I do in this world.
Speaker 1: That's truly my dream. Um. So I wanted to ask you,
Speaker 1: what does your life look like if you don't pursue that.
Speaker 1: I was terrified of what mine would look like and
Speaker 1: how I would steel, and so I got after it.
Speaker 1: Have you given that any thought? How you will feel
Speaker 1: what life will look like if you aren't able two
Speaker 1: pursue this as you dream about it? Yeah, I think
Speaker 1: at my age that end goal won't won't be anything different.
Speaker 1: It might evolve a little bit as I grow and
Speaker 1: I learn, and I changed throughout until I graduate. Um,
Speaker 1: but yeah, I think I would feel unaccomplished. I'd feel
Speaker 1: like I'm not at my end goal. Um, I don't
Speaker 1: know what that would look like. I think, yeah, Oh,
Speaker 1: I don't think i'd be fully satisfied because I do
Speaker 1: know what I want. Um, but yeah, I'm not sure
Speaker 1: that looked like. But it's here, right, Yeah, I guess
Speaker 1: so it's got so Truthfully, I think like for me,
Speaker 1: it was more scary to imagine my life if I
Speaker 1: didn't pursue my dreams. Then the fear that was present
Speaker 1: with going after the uncertainty of trying to achieve my dreams.
Speaker 1: I had to move away from my parents, move away
Speaker 1: from my brother and sister at the age of sixteen.
Speaker 1: That terrified me, But that fear was less than the
Speaker 1: fear of what would my life look like if I
Speaker 1: didn't pursue my dreams as far as I can possibly
Speaker 1: take them. So somewhere in there I was able to
Speaker 1: find the courage to continue on. And I believe that
Speaker 1: you have the same courage, he Linda, I will and
Speaker 1: firmly believe that you do. So I think you are.
Speaker 1: I think you're wonderfully poised for success and you're gonna
Speaker 1: do great things in the world. He Linda, You've got
Speaker 1: a fan here. Thank you, You're welcome. Okay, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: let you go over today, but I can't wait to
Speaker 1: see what you do in the world and the next
Speaker 1: house that I buy. I'm going to call you and
Speaker 1: have you hear your design the whole thing. I'm also
Speaker 1: even be worse at sticking out clothes and like fashion,
Speaker 1: so I need help in all regards to Linda. Yes,
Speaker 1: I'll do that, Okay, deal, Okay, Um. I wish you
Speaker 1: all the best and much love to you. Thank you
Speaker 1: for the call, Thank you for your patience. UM, and
Speaker 1: please call him again and let us know how you're doing.
Speaker 1: Thank you. I'll do that, and I'll follow not just
Speaker 1: only the Hell Men Think podcast on Instagram, but I'll
Speaker 1: follow you on Instagram. I love it. I appreciate it. Girl. Okay,
Speaker 1: we'll send me a message at any time. I try
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Speaker 1: So send me a message. I'll help you in any
Speaker 1: way I can. Um, and I wish you all the best, Ballinda,
Speaker 1: thanks for calling. Thank you. It was awesome. Awesome, Okay,
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